Board of Trustees - Regular Meeting

9th meeting of the president and board of trustees of the village of Indian Head Park. Thank you for coming this evening. Could we please do roll call

trustyo? Trusty Sana here. Trusty Ek here. Here. Trusteska here. Trusty Gazis here. President Amy Joe Whittenberg here. We have a quorum. Did you get Eileen? I don't think you did. Oh, okay. Can we please stand for the pledge of allegiance? I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

First off, in my report, I would like to welcome Mr. Steve Weatherford as interim chief of police to the village of Indian Head Park effective April 2nd, 2026. Chief Weather Weatherford will serve in this role while the village undertakes the process of recruiting and hiring a permanent chief of police following the recent resignation of Matthew Walsh. Chief Weatherford brings extensive experience in law enforcement leadership, including command level roles with the Elmerst Police Department and service with the Illinois Commerce Commission Police. He most recently served as an accreditation assessor for the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police, evaluating departments statewide against professional standards and best practices. So, we want to welcome Steve to the department and I appreciate all of a lot of our policemen here tonight and commanders and corporals. Thank you for coming. And we will now swear him in followed by I think we're going to have a badge presentation from his daughter, which is wonderful. Sophia, is that Sophia right? And um then maybe some pictures. Thank you. I, Steven Weatherford,

I, Steven Weatherford, do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States that I will support the Constitution of the United States the Constitution of the State of Illinois the Constitution of the State of Illinois and the ordinances of the village of Indian Head Park in the ordinances of the village of Indian Head Park. And that I will faithfully discharge and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office the duties of the office of interim chief of police of interim chief of police to the best of my ability. to the best of my ability.

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Thank you all for coming and for supporting Steve. Thank you.

I have three items that I would like to update you all for the mayor's report. I think he might some of the things he said, but he didn't tell me which branch.

I'd like to update you all. I'm glad you're all here tonight because we have a very important legislative update from the state of Illinois regarding some legislation that is in committee that is a threat to Indian Head Park local zoning control. Something that I feel that uh knowing many of you, I I think you would be very concerned about this legislation that is currently in con committee. It is actually seven different bills, but the main bill is House Bill 5626. The state's proposed build initiative poses a major threat to Indian Head Park's local zoning control. The Illinois Build Act aims to boost housing supply through state mandates requiring higher density residential development and streamlined approvals. It would override our local zoning by allowing four to eight units on many single family lots. Standardizes impact fees and set strict strict permit review timelines. requires ADUs in all single family districts. Allows thirdparty reviewers and inspectors if dead deadlines are missed. Removes local development discret discretion. Permits single stair residential buildings. Limits parking requirements and significantly reduces local zoning and regulatory control. This legislation shifts significant authority from local government to the state. Indian Head Park's current zoning intentionally balances housing, neighborhood character, infrastructure, storm water management, and public safety. State legislators represented Laha and Senator Curran, the Illinois Municipal League, the West Central Municipal Conference, and all the major council of governments in suburban Chicagoland strongly oppose this legislation. Contact your state officials to oppose this legislation. We will be sharing

emails to facilitate this process. I also urge you to see the Illinois Municipal L League information on this initiative and keep up with the progress of this bill which is in committee. There's two documents that are online that are that explain what's going on and who the lobby that is supporting this which is mainly the realer the real estate lobby. So, if you have any questions, feel free to contact us or the legislature, the the uh Nicole or uh Mr. Curran can answer any questions or the Illinois Municipal League. I also wanted to provide a Wolf Road redesign update. The Wolf Road study team, which includes Indian Head Park and Burr Ridge, our engineering company, Strand and Cook County, is refining the preferred alternative. We're determining specific roadway footprints, drainage, structural, environmental, and property impacts. This is requiring a lot of coordination with IDOT, the federal government, and other jurisdictional agencies on the roadway design details. The preferred alternative is viewable online. You can also see the maps here at Village Hall if you'd like to make an appointment to see alternative one, which is called on the wolfroadstudy.com, the baseline sidewalk plan. The study team has reviewed drainage alternative memorandums. During the last two months, Indian Head Park and Burr Ridge favored drainage alternative number two, which is a closed drainage system, which captures flows via roadway structures over alternative one, which was open ditch. The MOT analysis me memorandum manages traffic during construction and it's import important that we plan ahead because this impacts the land acquisition depending on how we route traffic during the project. We are meeting with police, fire, and

school districts to develop an optimal plan for roadway construction, which will be provided to the corridor advisory council in early 2027. And residents at the public meeting number three in spring 2027. The next CAC meeting will be early 2027. The next public meeting will be spring 2027. The Wolf Road construction start date is estimated no sooner than 2031. Discussions with the county now focus on safely maintaining Planefield and Wolf Road until 2031 due to the current poor conditions of the roadway. If you have any questions, you should feel free to reach out on Wolf Road on Planefield Road. We have all understood that they are redesigning 3.5 miles from County Line Road to East Avenue to address traffic drainage and safety issues. Because of the size of the project, we have been notified by the county that this will be done in two phases over several years. The first phase will be Laurel Avenue to East Avenue. Laurel Avenue is the street that's directly east of the school, the elementary school. So they were going to they're going to do that portion first from Laurel Avenue all the way to East Avenue. The design work will begin in the next couple of years. Construction is expected around 2029 to 2030. Phase two of the Planefield project will be countyline road to Laurel Avenue which is our community. It will follow after phase one. Construction is expected around 2031. Why is the project being split? Laurel Avenue was selected as a dividing point due to drainage patterns and to make construction more efficient. So, our part of the roadway is much more

complicated because of the drainage and the way that it pitches downwards towards Flag Creek. So, the drainage accommodations and the engineering is much more complicated. Um, and then the other parts of the road have a lot of complexities as well. Um, but they're going to be doing that first. So, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us, either email or come on in and we can talk about the projects in more detail with you. But it's looking like both projects right now, all subject to change, are 2031, potentially no sooner than that. All righty. Moving on to the public hearing on the tenative annual budget for the fiscal year beginning May 1st, 2026. and ending April 30th, 2027. Um, I think I have to open the public hearing. I'd like to open the public hearing at 7:12 p.m. on April 9th.

You need a motion to that? Do I need a motion? Sure. I'll move to that effect. Okay. Second. Second. Great. All righty. Roll call.

Trusty Sana. I. Trusty Yak. I. Trusty Donnersburgger. Hi. Trusty Sutka. Hi. Trusty Gazis. I. 5-0. Motion carries. Public com. Are there any public comments on the proposed annual budget? They're welcome during this hearing. Did we have any email comments that were submitted on the budget? Hearing none, I think we can any Do we need to take public comments from the Anybody here have a budget comment? I assume we're all here for fences, right?

That means everybody's here to support the budget. That's wonderful. We're glad you're here to support the budget. Much for supporting it. hearing there. No um further feedback, I can close the public meeting or do I need a roll call? Roll call. Okay, I'm now closing the public meeting public hearing at 7:13. Can we have a roll call vote, please? Trusty Seldana. Hi. Trusty Yak. I. Trusty Donner. Hi. Trusty Zetka. I. Trusty Casses. I 50. Motion carries. Great. Can we have a motion for the consent agenda, please? Move to approve the consent agenda. Second.

Any comments or questions on the consent agenda? The trustees. Uh, no. What do we need a financial report from our treasurer? Yes.

Uh, the village of Indian Head Park financial summary for the month ending March 2026. Cash on hand at the beginning at February 28th, 2026 was $2,412,917.90. Payments for March of 2026 were $430,85.91. Total revenues for March 2026 were $778,59056, bringing us to an ending bank balance at March 31st, 2026 of 2,760,7255.

Great. Thank you. Do we need a roll call vote for the consent agenda? Okay. Trusty Seldana I. Trusty act. I. Trusty Dersburgger. Hi. Trusty Vetka. I. Trusty Gazes. I. 5-0. Motion carries. Great. Moving right along to new business. Can I have a motion for item D, please? Move approval of ordinance 2026-06 adopting the fiscal year 2027 budget. Second.

This item is the proposed fiscal year 2027 budget. Uh staff is requesting the board approve this budget as presented. The budget reflects the village's ongoing operational needs, capital priorities, and service levels while maintaining alignment with our fiscal policies and long-term planning objectives. As discussed at the previous meeting, the budget includes a strategic and planned use of fund balance primarily to support one-time capital expenditures consistent with our best practices. The finance committee has reviewed the proposed budget and determined that it is reasonable. The committee did discuss the pro projected deficit and will continue to work with staff to monitor financial performance throughout the fiscal year. Staff will also continue to monitor revenues, expenditures, and broad broader economic conditions to ensure continued fiscal stability, transparency, and responsible fiscal management. The finance committee met uh yesterday and uh accent what uh Gavin is saying is uh we all voted in favor of uh the budget and it was consistent with previous discussions that we had. Uh we do have a slight deficit with that and we will be continuing to look at uh uh the uh nature of the uh the deficit and whether or not we can uh address that in the coming uh years.

Any other comments or questions on the budget hearing? None. Can we have a roll call vote, please? Trusty Zeldana. Hi. Trusty A. I. Trusty Donnersburgger. I. Trustes Vetka. I. Trusty Gazes. Hi. 5-0. The motion carries. Moving on to item E. Move approval of resolution 2026-10, appointment of Steven Witherford as interim chief.

Second. This appointment will ensure continuity of leadership and operational stability within the police department and uh there's no fiscal impact beyond what is already included in the budget. Great. Any questions on the interim chief? All righty. Hearing none. Can we have a roll call vote, please? Before we take I I apologize. I did not pronounce your last name correctly. Can you correct me, please? It's fine. Okay. Thank you. Oh, it's okay. Can we have a roll call vote, please? Trusty Sana, I. Trusty Yak.

I. Trusty Donnersburgger. Hi. Trusty Zetka. I. Trusty Ges. I. 5-0. The motion carries. Moving on to item F, please. Motion. Move approval of resolution 2026-11 awarding the Palm House chlorine upgrade to Dan Mechanical Industries, Inc. of Arlington Heights, Illinois in the amount not to exceed $229,888. Second it.

Dam mechanical was the low bidder on this project. Um so we're awarding it to them for that reason. Uh this project is necessary to maintain water system reliability and meet regulatory requirements. The cost is included in the vill's capital budget across the current and upcoming fiscal years. Um if you have any questions or if you want more detail, Joe's here to give you that hearing. Any questions on hearing? None. Can we have a roll call vote, please? Trusty Sana I. Trusty AK

I. Trusty Donnersburgger. Hi. Trusty Zvetka. I. Trusty Gazes. Hi. 5-0. The motion carries. Moving. Moving on from chlorine to salt. Can we please have a motion? I move for the consideration and approval of resolution 2026-12 authorizing participation in the state of Illinois joint purchasing pro program for rock salt. Second.

Joe would also like salt so that he can salt the roads this winter or next winter. And um this purchasing program allows the village to obtain competitive pricing and ensure availability of materials for our winter operations and it this uh purchasing program is consistent with our purchasing policies.

Madam President, I have a question. Uh do you have uh the estimate of cost of the salt and what is the difference between this year and last year? Uh, I do not have a difference in cost. I'm going by what I've been hearing that the price will probably go up due to fuel charges and so forth. So, with that being said, we try and grab what we can this year to fill our dome with as much as we can because we're on the 8020% where we can take we have to take 80% of what we uh asked for, but we could take up to 120% at the cost that it is now. So, we're filling the dome with whatever we can get.

120%. Yeah, if we can. Yeah, right now we're pretty full. I can maybe get one more truckload in there, but um yeah, we're trying to do whatever we can to save cost and get what we can this year. I'm anticipating it to be higher for sure, but we won't know that until they go through this process and then then we'll know. But there's no shortage. No shortage. No, because we've had mild winters, so there's plenty there. Hopefully that'll help us as far as keeping the cost slow, but I have no idea. Any other questions on Roxalt? All righty, hearing none. Can we have a roll call vote, please? Trusty Zeldana, I. Trusty A. I. Trusty Donnersburgger. Hi. Trustes Vetka. I. Trusty Gazes.

Hi. 5-0. The motion carries. Moving on to item H, please. Can we have a motion? Move approval of resolution 2026-13 authorizing an intergovernmental agreement for the major case assistance team MCAT. Second, Kevin.

Uh, this agreement provides access to regional investigative resources for major incidents, enhancing our public safety capabilities. Um the only fiscal impact we would anticipate is any overtime necessary to fulfill our obligations on this, but it should be minimal and and controlled and we'll keep track of that as we go through the year. Um Chief Weatherford can offer any uh details or answer any questions for you. Anybody have any questions on the major case assistance team? H how many um municipalities participate? were one of how many?

One of 13. The other 12 have already signed off on this IGA. Are they all like together or they like No, they're all There's a couple that are outside of our area. Western Springs, Countryside, Lraange, Lraange Park, those communities are in. So if something happens in Barlet, Illinois, you don't have to. Okay. That was But if something happens in those communities, then we would be informed of them and asked to participate and be aware of what's happening. Yes, sir. And who on our staff would be the uh key point for that communication.

We have we that would go through our dispatch. We have two officers that are assigned to the task force and at any given time, one of them could go to assist How how many uh such uh events are going on at the present time? Do we know? There's none currently in in the 13 communities. Yes, sir. Okay.

We spent about 106 hours on the MCAT and other task force since last July 2025. So that's approximately what the number of hours and that was our three different task forces not just MCAT here they have to respond. Thank you. Hearing no no additional questions. Can we please have a roll call vote? Trusty Sana I. Trusty E. I. Trusty Donnersburgger. Hi. Trusty Zetka. Hi. Trusty Gases. Hi. 5-0. The motion carries.

Moving on to item I, which is our last item in new business. Move approval of resolution 2026-14 authorizing an intergovernmental agreement with the Illinois State Police for the Violent Crime Intelligence Task Force. Second.

This agreement will make the village eligible for grant funding uh for which we are applying. The due date is tomorrow and we'll get that submitted. And this the task force will also enhance intelligence sharing and coordination related to violent crime, but the grant that we're specifically applying for to tomorrow is gun related to gun enforcement. So again, Chief Weatherford's available for any questions or details you'd like. Any questions? Hearing none. Can we please have a roll call vote? Trusty Sana. I. Trusty EC.

I. Trusty Donnersburgger. I. Trusty Fetka. I. Trusty Gazes. I. 5-0. The motion carries.

Great. Moving on to old business. We're going to have a discussion now regarding the proposed ordinance amending zoning code regulations for fences. Gavin. At this stage, uh, staff is seeking further direction from the board on whether there are any additional changes or provisions you'd like us to incorporate before the final ordinance is brought to the uh a future meeting, hopefully the next meeting for adoption in May. Uh, the board has in t undertaken extensive due diligence on this matter, including input from the plan commission, staff analysis, consultant guidance, and significant community engagement. This included approximately 700 survey responses along with feedback from residents through meetings, calls, emails, and other outreach. Ultimately, the policy decision rests with the village board. Um staff's role is to support that decision and ensure it is implemented effectively. Uh but for now, staff is seeking feedback on any final modifications prior to bringing the ordinance back for formal consideration and approval. Andre.

Yes.

Um, yeah. So, we have I have a brief presentation uh tonight on the issue um to kind of go over uh give a give uh background on it as well as kind of explain what's in the current ordinance um there. So, um as you can see the title page, but if we go to the next page on it. So, I wanted to give a brief overview of the timeline because we've had some questions on it and I wanted to uh give an explanation. So, as you can see, um this really kicked off last July uh when the board directed the plan commission to look at this issue as a whole. Um then they passed a resolution came to the plan commission in August. We started initiating the process at the plan commission level with um with the uh going basically creating a plan for it. We wanted to do a comprehensive overview because this this issue has been come up a lot uh in the village's history. We didn't know how many times it came up um actually until we started doing our research but we really wanted to have a good firm direction and then be able to communicate that to everybody. So in September uh we were looking at it um and then we started developing the public input strategy which is not just you know not just having the meetings of the PCC but also how we wanted to whether a survey looking at um you know having open houses these types of things that's when we started planning the resident survey um October 2025 uh as part of it as part of looking at the neighboring communities we looked at 14 municipalities to see what their fence uh ordinances were like. Um and then also at the October 2025 PCC meeting, plannings and zoning commission meeting, we finalized the fence survey and um and then in we mailed it villagewide to 1947 households. That is the number of residential units in the in the in the uh village. Uh as you can see in November 2025, the the survey period was

extended. I'll go a little bit more into why in the next slide um on it. And then but we also had a community input session for that. So over an open house to talk about it and looking at in December we had the final survey analysis that was completed at that time. There were 693 analyzed responses. Those are the responses that came in uh before the due date. Um we have received another eight since then um that we have logged but we didn't include them with the analysis to maintain integrity. Um at that time the planning zoning commission did not recommend changes to villagewide uh the villagewide uh fence prohibition but uh proceeded looking at recommending amendments for the major roadways. Those major roadways were identified as Planefield, Wolf Road, Juliet, and Willow Springs. And then finally in February of 2026 uh the planning and zoning commission sent the recommendation to a board to allow fences along major roadways and that the board began discussing that issue. So in the next slide and I'm going to talk a little bit about the survey because we've been asked about that a bit. So as you can see kind of reiterating a little bit in September we discussed what questions and the format were going to be on it. Um in October we finalized it and we picked five questions. These five questions were really focusing on policy not focusing on technicals or specifics on that. Um and also because shorter surveys get higher responses. Um, we chose to mail it out as a hard copy because there's a significant older population in the village. Something like 50% is over the age of 55. And they're not they're less digital comfortable than the younger populations. And even u in addition to that, twothirds of the water bills that are paid in the village are paid by check or cash. They're not paid for, you know, direct deposit, auto pay, sorry, direct an auto debit or anything. So looking at that, we decided that, you know, most likely a paper would be better. And it did one very important thing by by being able to send it only to every single household. It limited

the number of responses in a way that was very easy to be controlled on that. So there was one survey per household rather than putting out like a digital link and then trying to verify people coming in because honestly it's kind of easy to spoof IP addresses and those types of things. Um it was also anonymous. That was another key point about it because some ways of being able to do it digitally required people to sign up either with like sign in with their emails and that and anything that's not anonymous tends to have a freezing effect since if it's a contentious issue then people don't want their name attached to issues a name attached to their opinions on it because they're afraid of some sort of a you know blowback or even just awkwardness. As I said in October we mailed them out villagewide to the 1947 total households. uh and when we did the first mailing in a couple weeks, it was brought to our attention that roughly 70 households uh were were missed due to address errors, we corrected that, double checked everything and mailed everything out um within two weeks to get those out. That was part of the reason why the survey was extended um through November when it was originally going to be closed. Um at this November planning and zoning commission meeting, we previewed the results and then also uh had the community input session where people were able to come in and give their opinion. Then finally in December, as I said before, we did the final survey counts and analyzed to provide the information to the planning and zoning commission so they could start making their recommendations. And as I noted before, we total 693 were responded before the due date. Um I'm also going to very quickly go through some of the highlights of the survey. So that so um if we go to the next slide there we go it very quickly. So this is this is a overall for the village of all the 693 looking at that um what the responses were those along major roadways were were supportive of 73 were in support 23% were um were were not in support of it. We had a you know 3% and then

negligible scent that didn't know or didn't provide an answer to it. The next slide, um, we're looking at the all residential, that means not just the along the major roads, those interior lots of those, 54% villagewide were in favor, 40% uh, were not in favor, 5% didn't know, and eight of them didn't answer or one basically eight people or 1% did not answer. On the next slide, we're looking at it. We wanted to, this is one of the things we wanted to look at to make sure that there wasn't um necessarily an overweighting and that we captured every single area in the village. Um so here are the response rates from the three geographic areas in the village. Those that are west of Wolf Road, we got 35%. Those that were east of Wolf Road, it was 47%. And those that were south of Joliet was 11%. And that's 5% preferred not to say and 3% didn't answer. um that comes out to be actually pretty good spread of the household and population um in the village. Now granted as it was brought has been brought up um however that east of Wolf Road the majority of east of Wolf Road um would not live in areas that would possibly allow fences. So as one of the most requested things on the next slide we looked at what would west of Wolf Road which is our primarily our single family have um and here's the two combined ones. So along major roads, Wester Wolf Road, we had 191 responses or 80% that were in favor of it. We had 18% that were not in favor along major roads and then one and 2% didn't know or didn't answer. Now looking at it for in all areas, we had 40% that were in favor of them. We had 52% that were not in favor of them. We had 4% that didn't know. And nobody didn't answer that question. However, we also had the last thing we had was an open comment section on it and we did this because we wanted to

capture some of that that final qualitative information of it. And so we looked at that and analyzed it for themes and these were the major themes. the prop preservation or not changing the current the current codes had pretty much these two major themes of preservation of the village character or rural aesthetic which were 51 mentions and then of course um basically it's called resident expectations basically they thought that when people moved here they should continue to abide by the rules that were already here abide by the zone and not expect to be able to change it um you know the honoring the established noon however uh in the in the pro change themes. Um there was the safety and children pets were 36 mentioned. Um general privacy and protections on them were 29 and then uh 25 were just the individual property rights. Essentially, it's my property. I should be able to do what I want with it. Um I will note that these are not exclusive, meaning that if someone mentioned multiple of these in the same comment, we tallied them all up. So, having gone over the survey and looking and having listened to the board, staff basically uh looked at the ordinance consulting as Evan had said with our um zoning consultants, with our engineering staff, consulting with our building staff, and we looked at the uh what we're looking to do on it. So on the major and the arterial roads from everything we're hurt, we're basically we're trying to solve the issue of safety concerns along those roads and trying to balance the protection with preserving with the village's openwood character. Uh so looking at the key policy concepts, the fences would be only along allowed on properties along the major roads. Those are Wolf, Planefield, Willis Springs, and Juliet. However, the plan commission did note on that that 65th Street uh backs up to unincorporated

um backs up to an unincorporated Cook County. Um and because of previously uh that we um it also is a combat easement and having walked through there in the last few months noted that they kind of whacked all the shrubbery that was there. Um the the plan commission essentially said that it would probably be good to have some sort of barrier to that because we've also got those few houses commented that people would walk through their yards to cut through to make it easier coming to and from Walgreens. So that's why 65th Street while technically not a major road or major arterial was looked at as a unique as unique way of doing it. Um, also, uh, we were looking at the fences must be the open style. It's black row iron, either being aluminum or some similar non-corrosive. This is very, if you've seen a black rod iron looking fence in the suburbs, this is exactly what it looks like. Um, main visibility, be able to see through them, but also aesthetics. It looks good. Height limits, um, four to five feet depending on location. Some locations also might be 3 feet depending if it's on a sight triangle. Uh, that's once again for safety and for drivers. Um, and they must be set back in the roadway and located on the private property. So, we're not getting into the the easements on that location. Um, we were looking at gates as well. Uh, so gate safety requirements, they can't swing into sidewalks and roads. They must allow emergency access. They must be set back to avoid blocking traffic. So, if you're turning into your house, you should be need to be able to completely clear the roadway. For staff's point of view, the key policy questions on the boards were uh we're looking at fences that only facing the road or allowing fences a little more um spread out over the property. So that's our first question from staff. The other big the other question was of course the fences in the neighborhood or

the interior lots. These are general residential. Um so we're looking at balancing that preserving the open natural character of the village um which people uh very appreciate and also looking at providing reasonable kind of safety options for children's and pets. So one of the looking at it was basically a proposed poach of area fences. So not a full perimeter fence that can go on property but enough that it would be able to enclose parts of the yard. So be partial located in backyards only. They must be attached to the home. So they're not going to be free floating like a a pen or a play, you know, play pen of sort. Um they're intended for like safety uses, children, pets controlling that. Um I said before they're not fully yard. And then the size would be limited based on the yard size. And here this is from when talking to our uh our zoning consultant. Um we were looking at them in the zoning structures. So R1, which is our general uh residential, would be about 25 to 30% of the rear yard and with a 10 ft side set back on either side. And then these three right here or R1A and R1B are actually new zoning that once we finish our zoning update, we'll see. R1A is going to be Arrowhead Trail and R1B will be uh Sequoia and Hayawa. Those two are very unique and have issues with zoning wise, meaning they need variation for pretty much doing anything normal. So, we're going to change those a little bit, but that's why you see that they say 40 to 50% of those yards in a 5ft setback is because the R1As and R1Bs and then the R1 the R2s are much smaller lots comparatively to R1. Now, the next the next slide, this is our zoning map cut in half because otherwise you wouldn't be able to see it. that that very nice lime green is what R1 is. So, as you can see, it predominantly on the north side on the northern part of the town, it predominantly is western part. There is

some on the east side with Bartlett Estates. Um, there is a bit of R1 in the middle here. That's actually Village Hall. Um, and so, and there's some other areas that are R1 that are just kind of legacy R1s. the church, the green space, these types of things that we're going to update in the new zoning code to make it a little more clear. On the south side, most of the R1 actually is um as you can see, either in the triangle or this is actually the interstate, as I said, is kind of legacy. Um but the other R1, which will be turned into R1A, is is on uh Arrowhead Trail. Now, anything that has a thing that has the words PUB after it, which in this point on the north side is 45 acres, um is controlled by a special zoning and um could be amended to allow fences or disallow fences. Um anything that's not R1 or R2, which there's only a couple R2s, two on Planefield and two on Howard, so only four in the entire village. Um so those are R1 and R2s can have fences. Anything else would need an amendment to the PUD which mean it would have to come before the planning and zoning commission and then ultimately but to the board to allow them. So um most people don't know what those are. So no thank you. Um sorry he's you just uh uh ask a question. So he actually a very good question from Joe here. He said Ashbrook looking at that. Um no Ashbrook isn't isn't one. It's an R3A. So, and to kind of summarize it from staff's point of view, these are the key decisions that we need to move forward on the next slide. Thank you. Um, we need to look at that full property fencing for for these busy roads. Are they talking about full property fencing? Are we looking limiting towards the one facing the road? Um, and neighborhoods. Are we allowing them? Are we allowing area fences? Are we looking at full fences or none at all? and then some of the

technical standards which would be the percentage of yard allowed for those areas set back from privacy lines and then gate setback distance. I'm also open and so that's a diet presentation. I'm open to any other questions that anyone might have. I have a question. So the kind of fence that you're envisioning is would it be the same kind that surrounds uh timber trails? I'm trying to remember describe it. That's what it sounds like. It's it's very similar. I don't want to say yes because it's I don't remember exactly if Timber Trails I think spike but it's open. Yes, it would be very similar to that. I think I don't remember if Timber Trails is flat topped or not. If not, it'd be flat topped.

Yeah, the internal is flat topped. The external PUD fence has spikes. Okay. So, no spikes. Um but yes, the You said flat, right? Yes, they'll all be flat. So, there's no spikes on top because Yeah. We're not a prison. Well, that and deer don't always clear fences. And what? Deer do not always clear fences. No, wildlife. Oh, gotcha. Yep.

Isn't there one more up here? Um, key decisions, full property fence fencing versus uh just those homes facing the busy streets. And then the other one would be the fences that would just go in a small percentage of the yard. The dogs. I mean, we haven't really fully approved that, have we? No. No. That's kind of what we were talking about in the neighborhood in the backyards. The area fences only. No change. I'm sorry. That's the first one. Area fences only. Yeah. That's just for dogs and children. Oh, I see. Okay. So, it would go in in in terms of size, it would go no fences. In terms of size, go no fences, area fences, full perimeter.

I'm sorry. I can't hear. I'm sorry. I'm done. No, no, you're good.

Thank you for that summary. I really appreciate it. I think it's good for everybody that's here also from the public to bring us all through the process that we started uh last year in 2025 and then bring us through the survey results the data from that and then bring us through the process of planning and zoning recommendation to the board now has been discussing this for the last three meetings. So now I think this last slide is sort of a nice way to bring us to the point of where we're at with the board. So where do we want to start with discussions board members?

Do we want to open it up to now to some public feedback? Is that appropriate? Okay. We didn't discuss the height of the fence. Yeah, on the last slide it said four to five feet, I believe. Um, can you move back? Can you move back a couple slides just to that the fencing types right there? So, it's the height limits,

like I said. So, it's it's if you're in a sight line, it's three feet because that's what our engineers recommend. Um, you know, that'd be basically corner lots, anything that you'd be seeing, uh, more, you know, trying to turn from four feet. Uh, some in some places if you allow them in front yards, it's four feet. It's just general sight lines. And then 5T or backyards or any type of thing. And Miss Mayo, would you mind coming just to make sure everybody on the on the video and the playback wants to hear your question? So, thank you. Well, either one you can. It's time now for the public to provide questions. So, we want your feedback. That's why we're all here tonight, to be able to get feedback and dialogue from all of you.

And I also think uh uh Mayor Whittenberg, nothing has been decided. I know there's rumors floating around and, you know, uh things have been said. Nothing has been decided. uh this is where we are in the process and uh you know we'd like to hear from you and it's great that we have this turnout and uh and a lot of emails too Andre so thank you. Go ahead.

Okay so I'm at 6100 Timberidge Court. The north side of my house from front to back is all of Planefield. So, I've been trying to sell my home all last year, and I had I have a nice home, but and everybody liked the house and the lot and whatnot, but their main concern was for their children and their pets, and they didn't put in an offer because we were not able to have a fence. And this year, it's back on the market. I had to lower the price significantly. And I've already had three very interested buyers. But again, these are buyers, they're young, in their 30s. They're starting their families, and they just can't risk it. It's all about safety. I've been there 25 years. You know, I moved in with a 2-year-old. I'm that mom that's outside, though, in the backyard. I wouldn't never leave him alone. Um, I did put in arbor arborites. They're really tall, but still a child could get through the any kind of greenery. Um, my concern now is if they're going to do anything on Planefield Road that would bring it closer to my house, that's really dangerous for me. Even if I didn't have a child or I didn't have a pet, I don't want a truck in my house either. I want something to deter. Give me a chance. That's too close for comfort. That street's already closed and I know they're going to come in closer, you know, in a couple of years. And if I can't sell my home and I'm there, I want protection for sure. I want a fence. I'm one of those 80%. And I understand the rest of the village and the ones that don't want a fence, I

get it. But on a major street, that's too close for comfort. I want protection. Yeah. And hopefully I'll sell the house if you allow the fence. So that's all I had to say. Thank you.

I'll go. Uh Tony Bina, I am uh I'm on the zoning commission. Um but I'm here as a resident. Um, I live on 6449 Big Bear Drive. Uh, I've got a really loud dog, so you may have seen him or heard him. Um, I know that we'll never add a fence, but um, I'll read this this portion. This is kind of based off of what uh, some of the recent back and forth was. Uh, I support allowing a limited rear yard safety enclosure attached to the home for child and pet safety. Something like what's been discussed uh uh attached to the house, a modest projection and not a perimeter fence. I'm asking the board to keep it narrow and enforcable, require an open ornamental fence, flat top, no spikes just like what was mentioned, and objective picket sp uh spacing. Uh similar to the safety logic, use barrier standards. Um and please require a permit with a reasonable fee, a simple plan, and the standards for drainage and utility access. This keeps the villages character intact while solving the real safety issues families have raised. Um, as you had mentioned, 2031 is coming and change is going to happen. and there's going to be a bunch of construction and um I think we need to be prepared and although you know I may never add a fence to my property other people want that and I think it's important that we

have standards in place for when that comes and we can't uh continue to kick the can down the road and that's all I've got. Thank you. Thank you.

Hi. Um, my name is Sue Gainer. I'm at 6540 Pontiac Drive. So, I'm on the other side. Um, my family and I, we've proudly lived here for 18 years. Uh, we have raised three daughters here, um, including one with special needs. I'm here tonight to speak against the proposal to allow fences in our neighborhood. One of the most special things about Indian Head Park is its open park-like environment. My girls grew up running freely from one backyard to another, building friendships, exploring, and feeling a sense of community that is rare today. The openness is part of what makes this village feel safe, connected, and welcoming. For families like mine, especially raising a child with special needs, that kind of environment is incredibly valuable. It creates space, freedom, and a sense of inclusion that fences would take away. There is also something truly magical about living here. The simple joy of waking up and seeing deer roam through our yards. It reminds us that we are part of something bigger, something natural and serene. fences would disrupt disrupt that experience and fundamentally change the character of our our village. Once fences go up, that open feeling is gone. The senses of shared spaces, natural beauty, and of our community would be permanently altered. I respectfully ask that the board consider what makes Indian Park so unique and special to preserve that for current and future residents.

Thank you. Thank you.

Hi there.

Um I'm Sally Faustst. I'm at 6537 Pontiac. Um, I'm here to express my opposition to the part of the fence ordinance under consideration regarding instances beyond the homes that abut Wolf Planefield and Juliet roads, which I'm in support of. Um, but I am in opposition to the um the limited use uh for all other homes. Um, I submitted a letter by email uh to each of you expressing this which you may or may not have had time to read. Um, but I do hope that you will and I and strongly consider the points made within. Um, I'm not going to use my time tonight to read that aloud, but uh, it does seem that the responses to the paper survey that was distributed last year seem to be the foundation for res revisiting this topic yet again. Um, so I wanted to come to the meeting to ask some questions regarding it. So, um I uh one thing that wasn't mentioned I think earlier was the survey available um to pick up and fill out and hand in at Village Hall.

What about it? The fence survey was not available to be picked up at Village Hall um individually. We only sent them out. That was the way to keep quality control of it is to send them to every household. Okay. Okay. I believe someone did ask about that and we said that we do it because the survey was sent on blue paper. If you picked it up from us, we would have put it on a different color paper, but I believe we did not do that. Okay. I would You did? Um because I filled one out. Um was it on was it on white paper? Was on It was on white paper. Yeah. And um I went in to pick up a a garbage uh sticker or something and the it was on in the thing on the side there. Um, and I filled that out. And oh, the garbage sticker or the survey?

The survey. I don't remember having the survey out there because I do not believe we did that. I filled it out twice. Okay. Well, I can I can tell you if you did it in white paper, we didn't count it. Okay. Well, and I honestly I'm going I'm going to be honest about you. I don't actually believe I don't remember actually putting them out there. They were Well, are you I mean, I'm not lying. So and and I'm not saying that, ma'am, but I'm pointing out that I tightly controlled them. We didn't just put them out in the front at all.

Well, so that was that was my first awareness of it is is was from in being in village hall. So I mean, so irrelevant of of whether or not I'm just calling into question that perhaps there were some that were sitting out there. Um I did fill one out. I did hand it in and the same year earlier we did a community survey which we did have on there out there. So it could have been that. So yeah, it might have been because that was what Gavin same same kind of questions though. Correct. But this but it was not it was not in the same it was not that was not continued in the analysis of it. So so it wasn't included in the Okay. All right. That's that's what I wanted to know.

Okay. Okay. Um, so, uh, so I do want to know though, how did how did you ensure that you didn't get duplicate responses? I mean, you said blue paper. Um, it's still a paper survey. So, how do you know that, um, homeowners didn't submit duplicate responses? Well, it was on it was on a certain sheet of paper and it was on a certain weight of paper um that we did it on. So, they could have went out and found Were they numbered? No, they were not numbered when we sent them out. No, they numbered and they came back in. However, at the same point, um like I said, they would have had to find the same shade and same weight of paper, which isn't a very common one. We specifically picked that for that reason.

Okay. Um I mean, I I think you can tell my skepticism about the the um uh potential for, you know, submitting more than one per household, but irrelevant of that, um I also want to take into call into question the response rate for the for the survey. Um, so do you consider a response rate of roughly 30%, I think it might be a little more or less than that statist statistically significant? Yes. And why is that statistically significant 30% was higher than the voting amounts that we had in the village? Oh, that's good to know. Okay. Yes. All right.

So, more people um I think by three votes um responded to the survey than the highest number of voting. So of the 1947 we got 693 back that we have yeah of course the highest vote tally ever in the village and I've gone going back I went back about 10 years okay um was 701 votes so and that is a and that is a voting pool of 3100 whereas comparatively to the household was 1947 okay so um double well I mean once again they it's it's a good it's good for context But they are not apples to apples because voters and you know you can have multiple voters in a house versus households,

right? You can have you could have no voters in a household. So, Right. Right. Um well then I also called into question or or at least you know had some some um concern about um the I I think it was 54% that said that they were in favor of um fences or for the interior spaces roughly. And that would bring it down to what 15% of respondents something like that. Well, if you're talking about of the hole of the hole, if you give me if you let me go back to that slide. I'm just I just want to point that out. I mean, you can you can Well, hold on. We need to point that out. So, let him bring up the slide so we can answer of the

Yes. So, of the respondents, 373 of the 693 responded to households responded to that.

Right. Okay. Right. Um, I just I think my point really is that I don't think that these are strong enough signals that the that this is um that this is an overwhelming majority of our community that wants the the fences on the interior of the village. That's just my that's my that's my standpoint. Um, and I also don't think and again my personal point of view that the paper survey is um sufficient grounds for a change of this magnitude. um it wasn't numbered. I think that there are ways of ensuring that um that that beyond a reasonable doubt that that people didn't submit the survey more than once.

Okay. Thank you. Um so I'm I'm not totally done and I I don't want to monopolize everybody else's time. I know that everybody's, you know, want to say something. Um, I also want to know um regarding the the fences um or the the um uh the rationale where where the safety of safety and children of pets is considered. Um I I curious how these allowances will be made. Is it just anybody that wants to get one can get one or is that if if I say I have a child or I have a pet and I want to apply for one. Correct.

Um basically as long as I don't have any, you know, issues, other outstanding issues, I could I could go and get a fence in my backyard. And and just so everybody knows, right now, we have 29 pools in the village today that have partial area. I'm aware of that. Yes. Yeah. and you haven't publicized that. So, I want to make sure everybody understands that there's 29 partial fences that are pools. They're not perimeter fences. They're pool fences, which makes sense. That's for the safety of, you know, and that's a that's and that was the reason I think that the board trustee Salana brought that up that it's consistent with the safety

of children, pets, pools. It's in that category, safety. On that note, um how many How many children have like are you aware of how many children have uh been injured by cars or um passers by vehicles? Um is is there a history that uh that we're unaware of that the safety of like there's there's a particular safety concern because an incident happened with

it's common human preferences that people have identified in the survey. I think over 55 people said that they feel and when you look at the verbatim comments from the survey, it states that their pet safety, children safety, the overall safety of the family. But I'm just I'm just asking the board whether or not you think that there is pre-existing um reason. That's a personal thing that everyone has in their own lives.

I'm asking the board to take this into consideration. I'm not asking about what the homeowners think. I'm asking the board to take that into consideration that there isn't any precedent for an a higher elevation and a higher degree of safety for our pets and our children other than what we've had to now. Nobody's nobody's been injured. No pets have been lost. No pets have been injured. So, I'm just asking the the board to consider I would say additionally additionally just uh you know not I I know where you stand but as a board member I don't think I would be able to discriminate you know if you had a dog and I had a child and Joe moved into the neighborhood and he didn't have either one and yet we could say two of us could have this accommodation and Joe could not. So, it's even more to your point. Um, I don't think only people with pets and dogs would be able to uh extend this consideration.

Do you happen to know, Pardon me? It's not as though you need a pool to have a pool fence. I don't think we'd be able to as a board and legal to to discriminate among, you know, people with pets, people with children, or people without pets or children.

Yeah. And and the the point I'm getting at here is that the the scale of the consideration of that is not insignificant because I I mean I don't know exactly what the statistics are, but let's just say 50% for argument sake um of the family or the residents here have children and dogs and they all want to put up fences. How is the village equipped to regulate that? I mean, I'm just calling that just hypothetically. How is the village prepared to regulate that? It's just worth saying,

you know, not to again, it's turning into QA, which is fine. That's it's it's fine. I would imagine it would be a permit process just like if somebody wanted to cut down a tree or finish a basement or do those type of things. And we are in the process of making that process much more efficient than it was even last year. So that would be I believe that fence that fencing consideration would be similar to the permitting process. Andreas,

yes, all fences would go through permitting and it's very routine. When I was in Burr Ridge, I did inspected permits all the time all the time. I inspected fences all the time um to do them. So we'd be equipped to do that and you know take them I might take them process them um inspect them and then if need be uh render code compliance to make sure that they stay in compliance. Okay. I appreciate your time and thank you for listening and we did get your letter and we did read it. So thank you very much.

Thank you to this down a little bit. Um Christy Bruno 6508 Pontiac Drive. Um to the issue of enforcement, I I'm not really worried about when the person goes and does like the permit and does all the right things. I'm worried about when people just are like, "Hey, I'm putting up a fence." Because there are like fences, sheds, all sorts of things that are like randomly through the village that shouldn't be. They're just there. Um, I think my main point that I want to make is that this is like a cyclical issue in Indian Head Park. Like every five years this comes up. When new people move in, they want a fence. They want all these things. Um, is there something we can do further upstream to educate people, real litters in the area to say like, "Hey, you can't have fences here. You can't have sheds here." Um, it just feels like we spent a lot of time and energy. Like how much time do you think you've spent on this project?

A lot. Too much. Since this since last July, I probably spent an average of five hours a week on this project. Um sometimes more, some

sometimes my mic works. Um and so yes, it has been a significant issue. However, I will point out that you are correct. If you in the fence report we were doing if if you read the fence report and you look at it we did we looked at every single time this is brought up it's about every four years and the first time it was was in 1960 one year after the village was established. So staff and with the board decided to provide a comprehensive overview of it because hopefully that once we do this everyone is educated and we have something that is very firm that people can go read. My offense reports 134 pages in case read every page of it

ina in case anybody needs needs a little help sleeping. Um and it has all the comments and everything in there. So you can see all the work the work we did into it. Um all the analysis we went into it. All the research that went into it. We researched once again um kind of to the previous point we to see if there was any you know incidents of children or even adults being you know injured um on traffic there. We didn't find any in the last 20 years. Uh there have been pets that have been hurt andor unfortunately at least one that I know of that was killed um that ran into Wolf Road. Um so those are the incidents that we are aware of on that. So

I would just say you guys our village is like this big. Why are we spending so many resources talking about this issue every 5 years? Like can we do some sort of education with real litters in this area? It's like the same 10 real litters. Like we all know those people. They sell these houses every year. like why are we not educating them and telling them like hey here are the things if it's a deal breaker for you and you don't live on the outside perimeter I'm actually like totally for that I get it but like the interior come on you guys like it's this is a joke that we keep doing this over and over we we're not that big like we don't have the resources to do it like let's work on some other stuff I don't know every like I've lived here for 13 years sidewalks fences and sheds why because we live in a democracy and we have a board that listens to people and what their preferences and needs are and then we have to respond to that as elected officials.

Totally get that, but why don't we do some education upstream? We will definitely because I really I honestly comments about doing a realer packet and I think it's a great idea. Cool. I think it came up this time because of the expansion of we'll throw the playing field. Absolutely. Otherwise, people have preferences. They feel in today's day and age there are safety questions. We have talked to younger people moving into the village. So, this isn't because we decided this was important. No. And I I'm not For the record, I'm not saying that I think that you think it's important.

Obviously, you think it's important, but what I'm saying is every 5 years, we have these new people that move in. Like, there's it's an education thing in my personal perspective. And I've worked on roadway projects. I know how expensive consultants are. And like every time I hear consultant, consultant, consultant, and like cha-ching, chuch-ching, they are not cheap. So, like just be good stewards of our tax dollars. like let's not look at this in five years. That's all. Thanks. Thank you,

Sandy Hayes. I have to say 53 years ago, I also was concerned about the safety of my children. I had a dog. We survived. We've been here 53 years. You a little bit longer. She has a open space is what drew us. Well, I I know that your family owned Yeah. didn't mean to point it,

but we joined this community knowing that there was open land. You made a comment at the last meeting. Well, surrounding villages have fences. Western Springs has fences. So what? So what? Let them have their fences. We don't want fences.

But on Juliet Road, all of the properties, including Mrs. Hayes's house, has a fence. That's true. Correct. That's not an argument. That's not an argument. No, I'm just saying though, it's a it's a fact. It's a fact. It's a fact. Diane Andrew,

I'm stating a fact. I'm not stating a an opinion. Diane Andrews 11307 Arrowhead Trails. We live um Arrowhead Trails backs up to Burridge and I have lived there 48 years. So I'm I'm an old-timer too and I have seen people come and go and they put up these fences and they fall apart. Sorry, but they're not inspected. There's one now that it's a chain link rusted piece of you know what and the dog comes out, uses it for his duties, goes back in the house. That's all they wanted for. There's no children playing in there. There's nothing else going on. The fence behind me fell down three times. I have two swimming pools on either side of me. Beautiful pools completely fenced in. But they have arboride all around their lot lines. So if you're going to put in fences, you make sure those people put in beautiful six-foot arbivies so we don't have to look at their rusty old fences. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hello. Uh Rich Mitchell, uh 11345 Hayawa Lane. And I basically um happy to hear all the comments and agree with most of what I've heard that um that uh the park-like atmosphere is is what we came in here. I love and that there's, you know, sensitivity for the those folks who live on these busy streets and they're going to get busier that how we might help uh give them some sense of uh safety and security. Um I don't think I've heard any discussion yet about what that would look like along, for example, Wolf Road. It is very different than the fence surrounding timber trails which only has two access points and they're gated. Right. Right. So there's only two worries of how you would kind of

Right. That encompasses the whole development not Yeah. Along Wolf Road there's probably 10 streets or driveways. Right.

Right. So, so every house that wants a fence is going to have to basically incorporate much of their street facing yard in order to keep that a safe environment. It's not just one panel, you know, between the driveway and then the next person's driveway that would it would serve no purpose. It would it wouldn't actually function as a safety feature without being enclosed. Correct. So, I just don't don't think we've we've talked about that and kind of what that would look like. it would be very discontinuous um in congruent to whatever unlike the complete perimeter fence surrounding timber trails.

That's all I had to say. Thank you.

Um Debbie Brandon, I'm at 6500 Wolf Road and um a couple of just comments on some of the previous comments. Christie, I do appreciate her comment about uh put up your fence and ask permission later because I have been at village board meetings where people have constructed all different types of things and they didn't have to tear them down. They still have them. Um you know, they got their permission afterwards. Uh and also the gentleman that just spoke because I do live on Wolf Road and I'm at the intersection of actually Wolf and Thunderbird. So, um, when we I've lived in the community for over 30 years. When we bought our house, there were no fences, there were no sidewalks, and, um, we had a newborn baby, you know, that was like a something that we thought about as we looked at different communities, but because our home is on Wolf Road, it it was more affordable. You know, it's it's not the most ideal location. Um, so we lived there, we raised four children and we've raised many dogs and fostered many dogs and we've had dogs loose on Wolf Road and fortunately they haven't been injured. But uh, we do not have an invisible fence. We walk our dogs every day, several times a day. People in the neighborhood that are here, they recognize us. Um, but now things are changing. There are sidewalks. There is going to be a change to Wolf Road. We are going to lose our right of way. And so a fence is important to us. Um right now we have a small memorial that was placed over the summer by a family who lost their mother. She went off the road and she passed away. Uh the accident happened on our property and fortunately we had two 10-year-old boys. I think Donovan was uh Tom my son Thomas and his friend Donovan were both in the yard when it happened. the car did not enter the yard because we did have a rightaway of trees that

protected them. Um, but that's all going to be gone. And so we do, you know, I do think that it is important to have a fence and it would have to be a perimeter fence because it isn't, you know, just putting it along Wolf Road, you know, with Thunderbird being right there. Um, you know, it doesn't really keep everybody safe. Uh, no small children, but you know, they've all they were all raised. They all survived. Um, but things are changing. So that's all I have to say. Thank you.

Hi, John Corkerin, 6417 Apache. Um, I I just want to follow up on Debbie's comment. I I think the biggest thing here is change. What has changed? Wolf Road is going to change. So fences along those perimeter streets make sense. playing field road is going to change. What's changed about child safety? What's changed about pet safety? I ra I had four kids that were basically morons and I'm a lousy parent and

we we made it. We made it. Um, I I just don't think there's any driving change to change what many of us have fought for and have grown to really appreciate is that open space. If something does change, then we should address it. But in the absence of a of a real driver, I don't see a reason to change. Thank you. Thank you, John. Let's pull that down. Sorry, Joan.

I don't like these things. Um, my name is Joan Mets. I live on Arrowhead Court. Um, I am here uh to speak in opposition of interior fencing. I also want to point out that I feel like the evolution of what was on the survey initially and what we have um morphed into now is a little disingenuous especially related to the um first question about the perimeter or longwolf road fencing. The question initially for I think it was question number three specifically talked about fences along the property that bordered the busy road. Now we're talking perimeters, whole yards, whole halfyards, all sorts of things. I think when I answered those very brief basic survey questions, I was disillusioned even with the survey because it didn't really give an opportunity to talk about the gray areas. It was yes or no. Um, sure, we could make comments, but it didn't really feel like I was able to give a good version of my opinions. So when I answered yes along the busy roads, I did, but I was looking at a fence and I take Rich's point very very well that all those um openings to driveways and things definitely changes how the timber trails look versus our look along Wolf Road would make it happen. So I get that. But when I answered yes to that first question, it was because I knew there was a question about the busy roads coming up. I agreed to fences because I was agreeing to the fences along Wolf Road on that same survey. I didn't agree to interior fences. I

didn't agree to any other type of fence change to our ordinance. It was simply, as John said, because we're having a change to our village. And that change is creating a need interiorly. I'm going to just jump on other people who've talked. Amy, you know my family. Danielle, most of you know my family. I have four little kids. I did um under five initially, one with special needs. Um and and we made it work. The Mitchell's house is directly behind us. So many people yards move into ours. And that was a great way for our kids to grow up. Our kids were running into the Mitchell's house, not your house, but you know what I mean. Um, and other people's houses all day long. And it created such a sense of community for all of my kids to be able to grow and to be able to go over to Tammy's house and she'd know who they were and whatever. And it was just it was it was idyllic. and to have fences and all of this breaking up the view that pastoralness and the ability for kids to feel free. We still have kids running through our yard back and forth from this play set to this play set. That's all going to change. And I don't see why. I don't I don't really understand why we need to change the character of a village in that sense because we've got a busy road change coming up. I don't know why we need to go through this. So, I'm speaking in opposition of fences in the interior on any reason and uh the perimeter, you know, whatever we need to do for the busy roads, I get but within limit. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hi, my name is Avery Den. I'm at 6490 Big Bear Drive and I just kind of want to piggyback on what Joan had said. Um, I'm a lifelong resident of Indian Head Park. My parents built the home that I grew up on on Indian Head Court and they still live there today. I grew up with Wolf Road right behind us. Um, and the sound of cars going by was our white noise. Uh, my parents planted trees and that natural barrier was enough for us then. What I remember most about growing up here wasn't what separated us. It was what connected us. I spent my childhood running freely through the backyards with friends, cutting through to each other's homes, always outside and always moving. It was open, safe, and shared. That experience is exactly why my family chose to stay here. We moved into our home on Big Bear 10 years ago so our kids could have that same kind of childhood and they do. They run through our yard and our neighbors yards just like we did. There's a sense of trust and community that and I feel like in this day and age that's increasingly rare. Allowing fencing fundamentally changes that. It doesn't just add structures. It changes how people interact. It closes things off. It creates barriers where there were none. There are effective ways to address safety for pets and children. And I am not opposed to fences on the major roadways. Um, just want to put that out there. But once fences are introduced to the interior, even with all the regulations, the shift in character in the neighborhood is permanent. What makes Indian Head Park special is that openness, that shared space, that connection between neighbors, and I strongly urge you to preserve that.

Thank you. Hello. Um, I'm Laura Turk on Blackhawk Trail and um, I'm speaking to the yard fences, not main road fences, and I'm opposed. I read the report. I appreciate the time and effort that went into it to record this, and I, like many people, are saying the same thing that has been in the cycle for many, many years. Um, I do not speak for everyone. I am under 55 and I've been here for less than 5 years. I'm opposed to fences. Um, when I look at this in this process, I expect there to be expectations to these regulations. I don't know, but I think that not every single property has the capacity to put um a fence behind their yard based on our irregular lot lines. Um, and I think with that comes exceptions. If your 50% can't fit behind your yard, does that now go to your sideyard? And if they have a sideyard, can't I have a sideyard? If their backyard is an irregular or corner lot, does that come up to my sideyard? And then we might as well have sideyards. If my backyard is on a hill and I can't put in a fence because there's a drop off and I'd have to remove my deck because it needs to be attached to my house. Can I have my fence attached to my deck? And with that exception, can't I expand the amount of space that I can have in my yard? Um, in addition to that, there are yards that are shaded. So, for me, this foresees for some properties, not all, that it encourages a little deforestation so that people can put in turf grass with sunlight instead of mud pits, which are currently in a number of

backyards. Um for me it is the unique small community feel um and this landscape that brought me here. Um, and to maintain uniqueness, if you go forward with fences as a policy, I changed to I want full lot line fences because when I look at that, other properties or other towns have fences and that's what our regulations are looking at. This town has this, so we're going along with these regulations. Pools have these regulations. Let's go along with these. other towns have other amenities that we don't have. So if we follow the guidelines of other towns and what they have for fencing, now we're the same as them and Indian Park is no longer unique.

So in order to be unique with fences, we would need full lot lineto- lot line fences because that makes us unique compared to other towns that do have fences. Um and I will make one comment. um looking at the residential restriction areas R1 versus R2 um because I'm looking at I am in R1 which would be 25% it's 25 to 30% proposed 25 to 30% proposed but Hayawa

would be 40 to 50% Yeah, if if proposed into No, actually no. Hayawa would be Give me one second. Let me That was one of those. We will change the Let me double check. Yes. I don't want I don't want to tell you wrong. Right. And I will speak to I know a specific lot that's sold on Christmas Day, which is the same size as my lot and therefore they can have a fence twice as large as mine. What was your address again? I apologize. 6301 Blackhawk Trail. Okay. Yeah. Um,

yes, there are some of those uniqueness in here with it. That's right. They are 290 deep. I'm 290 across. So, my my fence space and their fence space are significantly different for the same lot. So, this just falls again into the idea that there are going to be exceptions. Otherwise, I truly believe that you will be decreasing property value when select houses aren't able to have the same thing as others or would be excluded. Thank you.

Uh Patrick Duffy 6 6333 Blackhawk. Um it kind of seems like it's a tale of two cities, east side and west side, Oldtown, which is what Hayawa area is called. Um, to Christy Bruno's point, there's no misunderstanding about fences. People just change their mind. You'd have to be an idiot not to know there's no fences. The first thing you see is, "Oh my god, this is totally different than anything else I've ever seen. This is really cool."

Well, that happened because that's how the town started and it's going to stay that way. Okay, I'll buy here. That's really neat. That's why I'm here. Not much has changed. Um, so I don't think it's a education thing. I think people buy dogs and they they changed, but the village hasn't changed. So that's an option that they decided. I knew I couldn't put up a fence and that was a selling point for me for moving here. Um, Wolf Road, nobody argues that it's busy and fencing is probably a good thing there for safety, but technology has changed. And uh invisible fences for dogs do work. They don't work for kids, but they work for dogs. And not all dogs. If your dog has really thick hair, I'm sorry, but you know, I mean, they work pretty well. It's a really big business and there's another option there. The kids, I don't know what to do about it, but a lot of people have done okay. So, I don't think the west side has changed. I think people have changed and they want to be fenced in and they want privacy. I get it. But that's not why I bought here.

Thank you.

Lori Davis, 6482 Apache. We've been in our house almost 48 years. We had a wonderful neighborhood in our backyard cluster. We had a marriage. Um we were confirmation sponsors for each other's children. And Tom and I are godp parentents for the little girl um the daughter of the girl who grew up next door. So we know what it's like for a community. Um when our kids got married, we had 50 people from the neighborhood who came to the weddings. And it's because we didn't have fences. We were a great great wonderful community. Um I am concerned about the accuracy of the survey. Um I'm the one who pointed out texted Mary Joe Amy Joe and um and then went to Andre that we were one of the 76 who did not receive a survey. And I found that out because it was Halloween. I was asking people and so and again agreeing with Joan. I think there were just so many gray areas on the survey. And how much weight are we putting on the condos who responded to the survey? You know, they had an an issue recently about the generator in the 111 building. And there were people in the four unit buildings. What are those called? Indian

Indian Ridge. Ridge. Okay. And those people were opposed to it. They don't want to look at it. They didn't want the noise. people in 111 wanted it. And I know the story because we're good friends with some people over there, but it certainly wasn't my place to have an opinion on it. We don't live there. We don't look at it. We don't hear it. Um, and yet we talk about, you know, we went to the east side of Wolf where the condos are for their opinion. And I think Andre, the condos overwhelmingly supported fences, didn't they? Yes. Um, we can't actually make that accuracy because we were looking at the east side in total. Yeah, I think it was everything.

Yeah, it was everything. So, also it could have been Bartlett estates and Bartlett is obviously Bartlett is unique. Also, Ashbrook both the town hall can't have fences. Well, as I said, we cannot because it's only we've only looked at the east side of Wolf Road versus the west side and then south of Juliet. cannot pinpoint saying this was the condos, this was this, this was that.

But just doing the math, obviously a lot of people from the condos voted in favor of fences. Certainly a lot more than live in the more votes than people who live in the private homes. And because of the HOA at Ashbrook, that's that's a whole other issue. Um, again, I want to reiterate what someone said about the size of the lots that in our in the 45 acres, we range from 7,000 square feet to um half acre in our in our neighborhood alone. And in the down Pontiac and Blackhawk, there's lots that are an acre. And that makes a big difference. Um, I'm also concerned if we do fences, even partial fences, who is going to monitor? We talk about having permits and you're going to go out and inspect. There are so many infractions now that people don't want to complain about because they don't want to alienate their neighbors. And I just know what goes on. You can you you can see it. But I'm sure I mean the village isn't allowed to walk through the backyards a representative from the village are they to go and look and see who has a has a fence or a shed. The village can use the village rightways for their excuse me the village easements public utility easements or the public easements for those purposes. No, we cannot walk on your property as a code enforcement to go into it. Um as a code enforcement officer. Peace officers are completely different. They're completely different. Also, the village works under a complaint-based code enforcement system. meaning if we don't get a complaint then we don't and we don't go out and initiate the enforcement 95% of the time sometimes we'll see something going on that we need to take care of um you know illegal construction or some sort of code issue that might be impacting public works

I was just going to say if there's a Julie low case somebody calls in because they're doing some sort of work on their property public works needs to get back to their mark their utilities right but nobody wants to be a cranky neighbor and report people either and that's part of the problem I don't know how you're ever going to be able to enforce the partial fences and and all of these different restrictions. Um, and that one of my concerns as well. Um, Frank Leon, did you get Joe Chiseri's letter? We're going to read all the letters after your comments. Okay. So, and I have Frank,

with all due respect, we're going to have all those letters now read. Just so you know that because we're going to support a dialogue that includes not only a verbal meeting, but the comments we got by 4:30 in emails.

Okay. I don't think Frank Leon sent it. Joe Chiseri did. He told me and he I'll just be brief. This is Frank Leon and my Chris. My wife Chris and I raised two kids in Indian Head Park. We've been residents for 44 years. I'm totally against any fender shed fence or shed ordinance since the main reason we moved here is to there because there were no sheds or fences. Uh my guests and relatives marvel at the fact that everything looks so open. There are no fences or sheds. We feel strongly about the board not approving any new ordinance otherwise there's a number of us who would litigate that action. Thank you for your consideration. Frank Leon who lives on Thunderbird Thunderbird Drive and I think you have Joe Chiseries. If not I have his

C H E S A R E. He said he was going to send it and if not he asked if I read it. While you look for that, I just wanted to add um that the complaints can be made anonymously and then the code enforcement can go and visit and if they get permission from a neighbor, it doesn't have to be the property owner who's violating the code. If they get permission from an a neighbor, they can go in into the the the property of the neighbor and observe and be able to assess the situation. So, that that does happen. Um they do ask for permission to visit your uh backyard to access the backyard should it be in the backyard of the neighbor for assessing the code violation. Do we have any more comments from people that are here in the audience? If not um we are going to move on now to the emails that we received. Andre Uh, yes. Um, let me get those minutes. Sorry, I was looking for that one because that name sounded familiar and I wanted to make sure that we I hadn't missed anything. Um, I haven't found it though. So,

you have not? Uh, Mr. Chiseries. That that name rings a bell to me and I'm trying to find it in my email to see if that came in and I So, let's go through the ones you did get and then if you don't find it then Lori can read it. Um, yes. when we get done with the other ones, if you don't mind.

Yeah. Okay. So, I'm and as uh we we spoke about before, um I'm going to read them in verbatim uh for that. Um I the one thing I will note unless they put it in their narrative where they live, if they they normally, you know, put in their signature, here's where I live. I've taken that out simply because as part of OMA, we don't have to ask for people to have their address in there. Um and so I tend to keep those out of them. But anyways, so this one is from uh Veni and Mike Lacani. If you might remember, this is my own contacts. You might remember she was the one that they were the ones that applied for a permit in last June. So it says, "Thank you for reaching out. I appreciate the board evaluating the current fence regulations. The existing ordinance feels outdated and could be more accommodating to the current needs of the Indian Head Park residents. Since I am more comfortable expressing my thoughts in writing than in a public forum, please accept this email as my formal feedback regarding the proposal to allow partial backyard fences. This solution does not meet our family's needs. We are currently have two young high energy dogs. For us, a fence is a significant investment and a partial enclosure would not provide the necessary space for them to exercise within our property. When we moved to Indian Head Park, we had an elderly we had an elderly dog who stayed by our side. However, our current dogs will chase wildlife and run beyond property lines. If we are looking for a home today, we would simply not could not move to a community that prohibits fencing. Additionally, the board's previous suggestions of electric fences are not a viable solution for our specific breed, nor have they always been effective in our neighborhood. We have witnessed multiple instances where dogs cross the electric line and then are too afraid to return home due to the shock. I may not be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, but please feel free to share this email with the board. In past meetings, the discussion has often been dominated by residents who uh prioritize aesthetic preferences over the functional safety and changing needs of their neighbors. While I understand the desire to maintain a certain look for the village, everyone's situation is different. We have full support of our immediate neighbors for offense, yet we are currently restricted. I hope the board will consider a more flexible

policy that accounts for the safety and containment of loved ones in a meaningful way. Um the next one is from Shannon and David Leuezi. Um good good morning. I understand a meeting is taking place tonight about the ongoing conversation about fences. I am requesting that my comment be read and taken into great consideration. We live at 11202 Arrowhead Trail, the corner house in Wolf Road and Arrowhead Trail, northwest side. Our house has been significantly damaged by ice dams and a tornado. We have spent an enormous amount of money in the last 12 years on landscaping, the exterior and the interior of our home, which we love. Our landscaping, which gave us some visibility and privacy and help with noise reduction, was ruined by the tornado. We spent over $20,000 on the landscaping within the last few years, and it will take years before we ever get that back again. I don't think it is too much to ask for an option for those that border any busy street for an option other than rot iron fencing. A staggered wood or woodlike board fence that would allow water flow and still give a natural look to any property could be an option. The fact that anyone has to have this continuous conversation about their property, property that they pay taxes for and are not part of an HOA is quite ridiculous to me. I don't believe it's much to ask for a little piece when sitting in our yard or on your deck that you have spent so much money on and take pride in. Respectfully, Shannon David Louise. Um, next emailed comment was from uh Tony Bolina, but since he was here, I am going to skip that. This next one is from Hillary Pashik and I apologize if I said your name wrong. Hello, I'm a resident who lives at 6509 Blackhawk Trail. Our yard backs up to Wolf Road. Being able to have a fence for safety reasons for kids and pets and to also provide a visual and sound barrier from the very busy street and extremely loud traffic that flies past our backyard would be an absolute dream. I am hopeful that these factors, safety, noise, privacy, visual disturbance will be considered if or when choosing fence

materials for along IHP's busy roadways. Thank you. Next one was um Greg Scovich who is the planning and zoning chair um who was giving us uh providing his public comment as that. So I write you in hopes of that this email can be considered during the board's me meeting this evening. Unfortunately, I'm traveling as I would have preferred to attend the board meeting in person tonight. I'm writing to clarify the recommendation rendered by a 6 to1 vote on the plan commission relative to a potential revision to the fence ordinance. I'd like to start by commending staff on the communication to the public regarding the agenda for tonight's board meeting. I saw multiple forms of communication throughout multiple channels. Thank you for your efforts and diligence in community outreach. It was however articulated in the community outreach that the board is considering action that is in excess of the recommendation rendered by the plan commission and I wanted to share the history behind the plan commission recommendation as well. You know given given each of you at the meeting with the plan commission this subject was not taken lightly over the course of six months and at the request of the board. The plan commission formulated a plan and schedule that allowed for numerous opportunities for the public to be engaged by way of public hearings and through the community survey. Additionally, the plan commission tasked staff with studying fence ordinances from neighboring communities that would be could compare and leverage the successes and failures within these outside fence ordinances. Ultimately, after this exhaustive effort, we rendered a decision that would be supported a change to the fence ordinance largely driven by the changes contemplated by governing bodies ID do and Cook County do outside the control of Indian Head Park. The commission was sensitive to the residents who abut major thorough affairs and understand that planned improvements particularly along Wolf Road and Planefield are outside of their control and the control of Indian Head Park. Given the lacking control on timing and scope of these roadways improvements, the plan commission supported controlling something that we could influence which was to recommend the board the approval

of fencing on property lines immediately adjacent to these and others not specifically included in this email but contained within our recommendation. thorough affairs. While we considered expanding the scope of the recommendation to include sideyards and front yards, we felt that this would be inappropriate given the intent beyond the behind the original ordinance and the Indian Head Park vision when the community was originally planned. We took the safety of children and pets very seriously. Many commissioners have children and pets, but felt this was responsibility is no different than the responsibility bestowed upon Indian head park residents from its incorporation to today. Again, I apologize not being able to attend and present this personally, but would appreciate if it can be formally entered into the record this evening so as to clarify the intent behind the plan commission recommendation. The plan commission understands that our scope is limited to re recommendation only, and the board has ultimate authority, but we are hopeful our six months of effort and due diligence will lead to our recommendation is considered appropriately. Finally, the plan commission would like to formally thank trustees Gazis and Svetszka who joined us for a ride for the ride and provided helpful context on our task in evaluating the ordinance. There was an appropriate amount of emotion expressed on this sensitive subject and it is abundantly clear that the officials elected by the inhead park are taking this seriously. Please let me know if you have any questions. Responses may be difficult, but we'll keep an eye on any email communication. Now from Greg Scoich, give me one moment, please. This next one is from Joe Bcher. Hi, village board. Writing in as a resident of Inihood Park with two toddler age children. As I'm listening to the board meeting from 3:12 March 12th regarding the fence ordinance, the continued conversation is around safety for kids and pets along major roadways and in the scenario of a pool water of of a pool water. I wrote this special circumstance in the original feedback about fences and have yet to hear it discussed. My house my house butts up to the creek which offers the exact same safety

concern as a pool if not more of a concern with the water being out of sight unless at the rear of the yard. If safety is the major force in allowing the fence along busy roads and pools, the same consideration should be given to house along Flag Creek. Thank you for reading considering. Wanted to make sure I was able to voice this as unable to attend on April 9th. This next one is from Jackie. Hello. I'll be unable to attend this session this evening, but wanted to share my thoughts for the meeting. One, the vote indicates that people are having are pro- having fences. If this if that is the case, why not consider perimeter fencing for residents? Creating odd-shaped and sized fencing options will create eyes for the community and reduce the intended value of a fence. Kids and animals should not be restricted to a cage-like size fence to play or safely move about. I think fences if requested should be allowed to go to the perimeter. I think there should be various types allowed for people to consider. Two, wolf road or heavily traffked areas should not be restricted to any to an open fence. Safety and privacy should be the utmost importance including sound management. They should be allowed exceptions and perimeter optionally if they want it. At a minimum, the outside road fence should be sound. Safety should be sound safety and private proof. If fence types will will not be allowed to change, then the village should pay to have a large privacy large privacy trees planted for year- round support and coverage. Three, fences, if installed must be maintained and subject to a fine for improper care and maintenance. I think people are overestimating the amount of people that will want a fence and if they want it, they should be allowed. Many exclusive neighborhoods allow fences with zero impact to their property value or if anything increasing its value. Best of luck to discussion. Happier our voices are can be heard. The next one is from Carrie Dylan. I am writing to express my opinion on the fence ordinance discussed tonight. I took part in the surveys that were conducted the last two years about sidewalks and fencing and from what I recall the discussion around fences and

allowing for them specifically included only residences that were along the busy quarters like Wolf, Planefield, and Juliet roads. IHP is a small town and what makes this community so attractive is the landscape where the neighbors are connected by yards and greenery, not divided by fences. If it's truly one of the main reasons we moved here, it feels intentional without being rigid, welcoming, lush, and organic. I am not in support of fences of any kind on the interior street properties. Any homes that do not border a busy street is listed above, and especially not for the purpose of dog runs. In ground swimming pools would be the only exception, in my opinion, for the purpose of safety. I have lived here for 12 years, and if residents are allowed to resurrect fences throughout the neighborhood and not just along busy roadways, we would move. Also not on the agenda tonight, but worth mentioning are sidewalks, which we would which I would welcome and support. Along busy corridors, sidewalks can provide safety and access for our most vulnerable community members, school children, people with disabilities, wheelchair bound, the elderly, and even our pets. Thank you for your time and dedication to volunteer on behalf of the resident's village. Um the next one was from uh Sally Fost, which um since she spoke tonight, I am going to move past And then the

and I think we all got that copy of hers. Yes. Thank you. I will provide the these are all came by by email. So I'll provide them to the board. I'm this is just for ease of reading.

The last one is from um Brian Wolf. To the village board of Indian Head Park. I am writing to respectfully request the village reconsider its current ordinances that prohibit residential fencing within Indian Head Park. Allowing thoughtfully designed fencing options would improve safety, support property values, and strengthen homeowner autonomy and reduce environmental health concerns associated with deer activity and tick exposure. Fences are an important safety feature for many families. They help protect children and pets by creating secure outdoor spaces and reducing the risk of unintended access to streets, neighboring properties, and wildlife. In many surrounding communities, residential fencing is considered a standard safety accommodation rather than exception. Additionally, the ability to install a fence can positively influence property values and marketability. Many prospective homeowners actively seek fence yards, particularly families with childrens or pets. Updating current ordinances to allow fencing would help ensure that Indian Head Park remains competitive and attractive to future residents while supporting the investments of current homeowners. Allowing fencing would also promote reasonable homeowner autonomy. Residents take pride in maintaining their properties and providing structured guidelines for fence fencing materials. Placement and height will allow the village to preserve its character while still meeting the practical needs of of homeowners. In particular, homeowners should have the option to install privacy fences up to six feet in height as a 4-oot limitation does not adequately provide privacy or security for many properties. There are also specific concerns related to potential changes in infrastructure such as addition of walkways. In some cases, new walkways may reduce natural privacy buffers and require the removal of existing landscaping. Replacing mature trees and plantings can be costly and timeconuming, placing additional burden on homeowners. In these situations, the ability to install an appropriate privacy fence becomes even more important to maintain reasonable privacy and property enjoyment. Finally, fencing can help reduce deer access to residential yards. Deer frequently carry ticks that can transmit illnesses such as Lyme disease. Limiting deer movement throughout through private yards can reduce exposure for both families and

pets and contributes to a healthier residential environment overall. It is also important to recognize that different areas when the village may have different needs. For example, residents along Wolf Road experience traffic levels and unique privacy and safety concern concerns. These homeowners should have an opportunity for their for their perspectives to be considered independently when eval when evaluating fencing policies. For these reasons, I respectfully ask the village board to consider reviewing and updating the current ordinance prohibiting residential fences, allowing carefully regulated fencing options would improve safety, health, and quality of life for residents while maintaining the community standards that make Indian Head Park a desirable place to live. Thank you for your time and thoughtful consideration of this request.

I was not able to find Mr. Chiseri's comment. If you would like Lori D. Lori, do you want to read Mr. Tacer's or Tom? Thank you.

All right. This is a um an email that was sent from uh Dr. Jaceri. Joe and Nancy live in the first culde-sac off of um at where you first come in towards Apache and they've been there 48 year 47 48 years also. Anyway, this is what Dr. Cheri wrote is I attended the last village board meeting. Uh the board and the administrator present administrators uh pres present did not discuss the fact that the planning and zoning commission had voted against fences except for the immediate portion of the lot of budding Wolf Road, Juliet Road and Planefield roads or commercial establishments. In fact, the planning and zoning commission report was completely ignored as were the input of residents to that commission. I live in the 45 acres, excuse me, I live in the 45 acres uh where the majority of re where the majority of residents surveyed did not want fences except for the exception noted above. In fact, a large portion of the survey responses favored fences uh come from the east of Wolf Road where fences are prohibited by HOA rules. I said uh it said that people want fences for their dogs. Resident dogs have done very well in IHP for decades without fences or with utilization of electric fences. Uh what about fences as a crimerevention tool? As acknowledged by the board at the last meeting, there are strong statistics that showed that neighborhoods with fences are less safe. People are drawn to open vistas. Wait. Um, at the last board meeting, a couple uh that had recently moved to IHP from Lraange remarked to me that fences

in Lraange were an impediment to camaraderie with neighbors and camaraderie with neighbors and they had found IHP to be much more friendly. Uh, I had that same experience by the way, a different couple. Um, we have something unique and a value in Indian Head Park. are open views and vistas. Let's not lose it. More than limited, more than limited fencing will assure the loss of IHP's character forever. I have sat through many planning and zoning committee meetings and board meetings where fences have been discussed. There have been many there have been very few public comments in favor of fences and there have been many opposed. is the board and the administrator's desire to serve the will of its constituents or its own agenda. Sincerely, Joe Cheseri.

Thank you. And if you can just send Did you find that so we can have it for the record? Okay. Well, we need to get that forwarded. Yes. I just want to say one more thing. Historically, how often does the board vote differently than building and zoning recommendation? This was 6 to1 in favor of not changing the ordinance. How much weight do they carry? The building and zoning. A bunch of us went to a lot of meetings. You can answer that. Gavin will answer the the role of the planning and zoning commission and the role of the board.

The planning and zoning commission is an advisory commission. um their uh role and uh authority is to advise the board and then the board has the authority to make a decision uh taking into consideration that advice but they also take into consideration other input from the public. They take um for example with this uh specific issue they uh took the record from the plan commission. They took uh guidance from the consultant about how to achieve what the board's vision was and they there was a significant amount of community engagement which we've talked about tonight. But all of those were just pieces of information that the board has has taken into consideration and each of the board members will vote um as as their conscience directs them to uh vote on this issue when we bring the final ordinance for approval.

May I add something? I just want to add that the advice of the planning commission was basically taken in by us. And if you notice, this is why we applied the fences to the abuing uh uh areas uh abuing the major roads. And then we are not approving perimeter fences in neighbors neighboring neighbor inside the neighbor neighborhoods. But the reason why the um safety smaller fenced areas was introduced was because there was an incredible amount of feedback from the public about safety for children and pets. So we did take the advice of the uh of the planning and soding and that is why there's the reason why we didn't consider perimeter fencing inside the neighborhood. So if I can add too I mean we can read all the surveys that we got back and um tabulate them so we know what the numbers are. But what I found uh even more helpful was were all of you today um presenting your views. I think it's much more powerful than just reading a survey on paper. So, thank you for coming out. You're helping us in the decision making process.

All righty. Are there any more comments before we move on now to the next part of our agenda is the report section of our agenda where we go and hear from our administration, our chief and public works. So I before we move on in the meeting, I want to make sure that everybody has had a chance. We've read all the letters now. So we can now move on to our report section of the meeting. There's some good really good information that we're going to be providing about all of our grants and things. So, are we going to be discussing this now within the board? Yes.

Yes, I think we should spend a moment discussing it. Okay. Um, thank you for slowing me down. So, um, comments, feedback.

So, just to confirm what I think I'm hearing. So, I'm hearing that we have two separate issues that we are discussing potential ordinance amendments for. Um, one would be for fencing on the yards that are along what we call the busy streets. So, that's one thing to consider for voting on. And the second thing that we're not going to vote on tonight, sorry. The second thing to consider will be the discussion about the limited area fences and backyards on interior properties. So is that correct? There's two separate.

That's how I look at it. Or I think Andre on the last Can you This is a really good I think way to look at it which he had here. Do you want to just go through that Andreas really quick? So we have the busy roads.

Yeah. So the the the key decisions we needed that that staff needs from the board and that is um on busy roads which there seems to be um you know strong feeling for allowing them um whether we're looking at these are um full property allowing them for multiple different yards or that or they're very limited to to where they are on the on the property. So, um, that option could be whether the board thinks they should just be on the abuing property lines, whether they should be limited to one or two yards if they if they abutdd it with multiple yards. Um, so if there's like a front yard and a side yard, maybe only one of those yards. Um, or if they want it to be multiple, you know, any yard that touches it or if they want them to allow them every single yard and, you know, that surround to surround the entire property. So that's what we're really looking at for the busy roads on that one. And then for the neighborhoods, there's really or in the interior ones, there's really the the three kind of choices that we're looking at on that. And it is are you going to I'm going to go from the most restrictive to the least. Um do you have no change not allowing them in any of the interior properties? Are you allowing them only in a a certain area amount of it? So 25% 35% 15% whatever the board looks at or would you allow full backyard fences full depth perimeter fences. So those are the kind of for the

Sorry, you said full backyard fences and then you said full perimeter. I meant when I say full backyard fences, I meant full perimeter backyard fencing that Okay. Enclosing the backyard. Enclosing the backard perimeter.

No fence, some fence, all the fence to make it simple at 9:00 at night. Um, and there's a couple, like I said, and then so really the technical standards that we're looking at is percentage of of the yards allowed. These are kind of a little smaller thing. the percentage if you're if you're going to allow for only some percentage of the yard, how much they really want that to look at. Um, you know, whether or not what the setback from the property lines are. Do you want them on the property lines, 1 ft, 2 feet, um, 5t? Uh, or and then gate setback distance. We we talked about that whether you want 10 feet or maybe um I think uh, uh, Tony from Strand recommended even further because of larger trucks, Ford 150s.

Yeah, F-150. So he has he's recommended something a certain distance but um that is those are that those are what we are looking for the board to to provide us that information once it reaches its consensus on what they would like. So do we want to stand start with busy streets? I think that

I I want to make a recommendation. So because these are the ordinance is a full ordinance but it has sections. Can we please approve sections in two different motions? And we approve the section provided all the technical um uh support uh language that is going to be in the ordinance is followed uh section for for the fences on busy roads and then we approve separately another amendment to the because these are amendments to the original ordinance. So we approve one amendment and on the same session we approve or not approve the other amendment. Whatever the the the the if that's the will of the board it will be a much easier way to really digest what is it in the discussion that we're discussing. Okay.

I'd like to comment because the last time you asked me did I have an opinion on something and I dodged that question. Um and I've got two comments uh in regards to the conversation. One is uh supporting the recommendation of the planning and zoning committee which essentially uh asserts the recommendation of perimeter fencing along the busy streets. Uh and second uh but they didn't make that recommendation. They didn't recommend full perimeter. They just recommended No, no, no. Just perimeter perimeter fencing. They recommended just just right at the street just at the street level. Street level. Just at the street level. Yes. Not perimeter. Not perimeter. No, not enclosing any. Correct. Not enclosing.

Okay. And the second is uh one standard fence under any resolution that comes out. So uh whatever we have, it's standardizing the fence. And so I'm looking at those two things. Uh and I could support that. Okay. So to Christina, so just to share that, thank you is where we go. Thank you. Thank you for the intro, Charlie. For clarification, you're supporting the fences along the uh major thoroughares. That's it. But he's just saying fencing along the propertying the major roads. Not enclosing the not enclosing yarding fencing. Charlie. Yes. You're saying just along just along the major roads

along the property line. So it would just be a a line of fencing along the property line not enclosing the abuing yard. Correct. That is correct. Okay. Go ahead. I lean in the Yeah. Um, so I agree with you, Charlie. My concern is more where I think we ought to be spending our time is what's that going to look like? Um, because it's true that it's going to be broken up by driveways and streets and whatnot. Well, and not everyone would may want it. I'm sorry. Not everyone may want may want it. So, you're going to have somebody that doesn't want it and then someone that does. Yeah. So having us that would be my bigger concern

is how is that going to look coming down. Now, I did mention to Gavin that several years ago the board put aside 100,000 300 300,000. Oh. Um because at that time we thought we would um try to uh put trees and uh shrubbery or whatever in there rather than fences to um and I really still advocate for that. You know, if you want a fence that's fine, too. I'm not saying that because if I don't live on Wolf Road, but living on Wolf Road, maybe you do want a fence, but yeah, I just really advocate for putting some kind of uh

Yes. So, what's going on with that is we've had a landscape architect and design firm um give us an estimate of over $2 million to be able to do the landscaping for Wolf Road the way we would want it to look. Eight years to save that money. We've already got 300,000. Well, right. and there's grants and all of that, but my point is is that the tree replacement policy from Cook County is extremely it's not robust at all.

And I don't think anyone in this room would be satisfied with the tree replacement policy from Cook County and think that the corridor looks better and we've always said even in prior boards that we want the corridor to look better than it looks today. It's a lot of different scrub trees and different things like that. So, we've gone to a land landscape architect. It's going to be over $2 million at pricing now. Okay. Or more. So, we're, you know, we have a long time to do that, but um it's going to be and that doesn't include like lighting or anything which the county is not providing lighting if you can believe putting in street lights. No. Good guess.

So, we have uncovered some of these little details throughout the discussions with them. But I think it needs to be on the table. I really do. I mean along there.

So we all want landscaping. I think we all agree. I think we all agree with that. I think trees, shrubs, native plants, making it look better than it looks today times 10 is what we all want. But I think for right now we have to decide maybe to the trustee Salana's point if you if we want to take the amendment first of the busy streets. Um, I think that might be a first step for us to make to get some consensus here on what are we going to decide as the board on the busy streets. So, we've had two trustees say this the fence at the street at the busy street on that side. So, what are some of the other ideas on that? I think we talked about this last time and the whole discussion about perimeter fencing came up for busy streets. So, do you guys want to take

I do have take that

I do have comments. Um, obviously I think Christina's idea Christina's proposal that we take it in in chunks in separate amendments does make sense, but they can't be taken independently. They have to be coordinated. The Rich Mshaw, Rich was on that planning and zoning commission and we commend them for their work. It's not easy, especially when half of the community doesn't want you to do anything. Um, Wolf Road is coming. I do believe fencing it. It's good to know that it's not coming till 2031. So, we do have some time, but we don't want to keep kicking the can down the road. Richmond made a great point. I am on Wolf Road. I believe there are 19 between 79th Street and Planefield Road. There are 19 streets or driveways. I actually have two of those. What would that look like? I Jim may want a fence on Wolf Road enclosed. I think fencing along the way may look worse than a perimeter fence on those lots, but again, that's what we should discuss. It's not going to look like timber trails because there's 19 streets or driveways on that side of the fence and it's coming. All that buckthorn, we hate the buckthornne.

It's going, but that buckthorn does provide screening, you know, it does provide greenery at times. We have four evergreens, a white oak, and several other trees. We will lose $300,000. Again, two million I think is a conservative estimate to get that greenery back. So,

we should we should consider the busy streets independently from the backyards. I do think and a lot of the comments for me it would be hypocritical to say Wolf Road busy roads can have a fence because I am on a busy road and say Christina Danielle nobody else can have it. So, I do have an issue with the the different measurements and the enforcement and these little, you know, protective uh fencing off the house. I think that might actually look worse than if we just allowed a standard backyard uh property line fence, but I still haven't reconciled that. And uh we are giving up something with the aesthetics once we go down this road. So, it's not like we can put a whole timber trails fencing around the community and protect the community then keep it open inside. That is not an option. But I guess I would where I'm at, I think we should take it in separate amendments, but they definitely have to be coordinated. And what is it going to look like? That's

to finish that off though. So what is your feeling about Charlie and and Eileen talked about one fence at the end and are you saying I do not feel like that is a solution that solves nothing

anything. I know that's what the commission came up with because I believe the commission with all their work they didn't want to do anything so they gave the least amount that they could do. But what would that do? I'm on Wolf Road. Let's I mean in in practicality or anybody else. I'm on I'm on Wolf Road. My house faces Wolf Road. I'm not going to put up fencing in front of my house next to the sidewalk after losing four evergreens. Now, what about the families that are south of me or north of me that back up to Wolf Road? Fencing along their property line without an enclosed fence in the backyard really does not help them. It does not provide it provides a screen

and theoretically they could put arborites there if they got you know 40 or 50 grand to do which a lot of people don't. I believe for those those backfacing or front facing the rearfacing houses on Wolf Road probably need an enclosed perimeter fence. I'm a front facing. Do I need an enclosed perimeter fence? Probably not. So we might even split the amendment farther without being discriminatory. So I am not I disagree with Charlie and Eileen. I would do nothing before I would do that. So just that's where I'm at. I would not do that at all.

I would do no one fence. I would do no if we're going to say let's put fencing along the property line. I would I wouldn't want to do anything because I don't think that solves any of the the safety concerns. I think it's just uh window dressing. So to to clarify, I don't think that we that the ordinance should actually call the yards front or back. It is in terms of the busy roads. is the yard that

culinates with the business street whichever a budding yard whichever that yard is either in the front of your house or in the back. So that's the yard that you are fencing should you fence it in. So that's that's just to clarify they're not going to be called rear or front. I mean they might you might actually name something when you have the permits or whatever or for for for your for your description of the permit that you are asking for but not in the ordinance in the ordinance in that hypothetical my neighbor just to my south he is on uh Blackhawk Trail and Wolf Road theoretically this is a side he has he can his ab budding yard

Uhhuh. would be outside of his home and he could theoretically fence a football field that is next to Will Exactly and it wouldn't look good or the the Amy Joe's neighbor at 6100, you know, that's a little bit difficult. So, um, again, not to I don't think the commission went far enough on that and I don't think that fencing provides the abuing yards with the proper, you know, it's I think we're splitting the baby there. I don't think we're accomplishing much. We're just saying, hey, look, we did something. I don't think it's the right solution for those people that are on those roads. So, can we um we're talking about the properties that have the busy roads.

Can we take off the table the fencing in and you know the little fencing for I'd like to take the standalone fencing about that right now. Just talking about We're just going to talk about No, that's what she said. I don't think we're going to Yeah, we're just talking about busy roads. I understand. Yeah, but I mean we could talk about it all night. Are we going to come to a conclusion now? I I Well, yeah. I mean, he's saying he would suggest perimeter

as a resident if you're for 15 years. I would I would I don't think that goes far enough and I would almost rather not do that and have this hodgepodge of fencing allowed. We would sanction that. See, again, the bottom line, 5 years, 10 years from now, if we allow that and just that, what does that look like? Okay, 4 foot fencing allowed with all the gaps. What does that look like? Somebody puts arborite, somebody doesn't, some Westerners Springs has something.

I'll I'll answer that. We've put our revide around our lot uh because of and and we're not on a busy street, but we've paid for that individually. And it's not cheap, but uh you know, it's been an effective barrier. And quite frankly, you're right. If you could put if we could put some kind of shrubbery up as opposed to fencing, that would look a lot better than fences. particularly in your neighbor's case. You can you absolutely can do that right now. That's right. You can put whatever you want. You can put that on your perimeter. You can put it halfway through the middle of your yard. You can do anything you want. Well, except if he's put put it in now, he all that would be taken out uh in the in the next He's not going to put a fence now either. You have to wait till after construction.

Yeah. But I think the other thing that I'm just saying is like when we talk about fencing right now, we're talking about like a physical structure made of a construction material, right? There are other options to fencing. It's called hedging. Yep. You can actually build a living fence, an impenetrable living fence along any part of your property, down the middle in your front yard. It does not matter. You can plant it anywhere you want to if you're going to maintain it and train it to grow. So, I mean, there are there are options,

right? But getting back to what we're trying to figure out here, right? So, we can move on to some type of decision. Miss um Trustee Sana made the suggestion that we look at the amendment for the busy roads first. So Trusty Gazis has expressed that he would be open to perimeter fencing versus just having a fence at the end of the lot that's near the busy road. Yes. Okay. So Danielle, I agree with that. Only for the properties that are along these busy streets. I disagree because I don't I don't understand how that's going to look better than just a patch patch for serial.

Well, it's not that it's looking better. It's providing security and safety to that homeowner. Functionality. It's a functionality issue. It's not a aesthetic issue. Safety from what? From whatever the homeowner deems they're unsafe from being on a busy street. Clean in the backyard. I'm sorry.

Again. All right. So again, you you guys know, you've been on the you know, you've heard this story a million times. We are on Wolf Road. We've been there since 2011. I've been coming to the meeting since Amy Joe was on this side of the the Das and and etc., etc. Um mailboxes four or five gone on Wolf Road. Hardcape trees. I'm not Eileen. Eileen Eileen. Yeah. So So the safety the safety is really not for me. My kids are grown. We do use the electric fence. Technology is great. We've had a couple of the big dogs break across, but luckily that's been at 5 in the morning when you can land a plane on Wolf Road, which is wonderful. Um, for the families that have their backyards, the abuing yards on Wolf Road, the screen, the the property line does not necessarily provide them the protection and the safety. Cars will go on into the property. They have the sidewalk will be 20 ft 30 ft closer to their yard.

Exactly. We're not only worried about motor vehicles, we're also worried about pedestrian traffic and they're not all, you know, the, you know, they're not all, you know, have good intentions. Not every good intentions. So that's, you know, for us, we're not going to put a fence in our front yard. We're just not going to do it. Doesn't make sense. We have a circle drive, etc. But for that family that has that backyard of budding with the little, you know, uh, with the dog, I think we need to have that from a functional perspective or like like that family. I'd like to hear public comments. No, no, we're done with No, we're on the board level. We're not going back to the public. Okay. So, Danielle, you support that?

I support perimeter fencing on the houses that are along busy streets. Just for aesthetic purposes, I would support the fence along Wolf Road and maybe halfway backers, not not the whole It goes back to the house. That's what we talked about. So that's what we're saying. Do you agree with that or not? That's what we're trying to get to. I'm beginning to agree with that. Um, but I still am adamant that we do something about the shrubbery or the bushes or whatever along with I think that's a different topic though. do it at the same time because we have to start saving the money now. Well, that's not we're not going to do any of that until after the road is constructed, right?

So, if we do this first, they're going to be able to put their fences in when we pass this. Now, who would put a fence up with They're not going to put it up. Well, they might. I mean, somebody can, but then they'd have to get up. I would put in the ordinance that it they need to be put in after the road is put in. You you you helpful to our residents right now that are asking for it though. If they want it and it's on their lot, why should we say you can't? I think Eileen would say, "I'm okay with the fence, but I want the fence covered. I don't want to see it." Yeah. You're saying screening for the fence, right? You'll allow the fencing perimeter. You want it screened. Yes. So, you want it on the street side to have arborites or some kind of greenery.

Yeah. And right now, I mean, that was that's part of the And you're right. I mean, all those uh whatever Those bushes are they're cover. So it looks like you're going down this beautiful Okay. So you're going to have metal fences up there. So what I heard you say is you would support a perimeter fence on a busy road if there was screening. Yeah. On with the fencing. Is that what I heard what you said? Yes. Okay. And I'd like to learn more about the shrubbery you were talking about. Yeah. Trusty E, are you Shrubbery's flying? Okay. But are you agreeing with Trusty Donnersburgger that you would before you didn't say you were for perimeter fencing, you said you were for one-sided fence?

Yeah, one-sided fence. And so no perimeter, no enclosure. No enclosure. Excuse me. No enclosure. It's not actually helping anyone though. Trust. In the case of the busy roads, I would support enclosing the yard that abuts the busy road. Okay. So I think I think we have No, you do not get to ask me more questions. No. Well, I mean I think what we need to consider I think staff should consider when within the parameters of the house or the building because those are technical those are the technicalities that we will have to work on.

So we've discussed those with the consultant. There's four or six lots that are corner lots that are complicated. 6100 6101 Timber Ridge Court, the Sequoia lot, the Hayawa lot, and the Hazes old lot. I'm forgetting the name on Hayawa. So, we know there's complicated ones that we have to look at with the and the language is in the ordinance for those. It will be there. It's right. Road corner needs to be lower. All that is in the ordinance. Okay. So, I'm hearing that that is sort of the reality and we don't have uh trustee Ayanako here tonight, but I would like to hear from this gentleman who lives on Wolf Road.

Okay. Would you like to address us? Mr. No, no. No. We This is at the board. This is at the board level. I'm gonna leave if we're gonna go beyond that. Well, that's actually No. I We can take a vote right now. Can we please uh allow one person to come and are you do I agree? I mean does it bother you? I mean I'm going to go pushing 10:00. Yeah. Still I can talk to you guys later. Why would you do that? Yeah. That's ridiculous. We've already done we're at the board level now. Yeah, but we have the right to actually call someone to the to the microphone to testify if we want to. Trusty, come on. He says he's vote on it. I'm fine with it. Let's vote on it. Yes.

All right, guys. All right. Let trustee act please stay and let's deal with this as a board. Okay. So it board level I'll stay. Great. Then you will. Okay. So I think we've I think we've settled this to where we're at right now. We can talk to Mr. Brandon after the meeting. So I think I hear pretty much the majority of the board. What I just heard is that we support the busy roads and that's what I've heard. Now, there's another thing that we didn't talk about, and that is if your neighbor the three-foot and the center um fence. So, if your neighbor has a fence, you can agree to share a center. Mhm. Right.

Yeah. Like they do in the city, right? But if you don't agree, there'd be three feet between. Three feet seems excessive to me. Well, we talked to the consultant about that because I think you said that last time and she said that's very standard because of the mowing. We asked that because you brought that up before. You mean in between like you may get along with your neighbor now and you may not get along with the next neighbor. I have never seen property where there's you have a fence and I have a fence and they're three feet apart. Well, that's because most people agree to sharing. Yeah. But you can't assume that that's going to be the case. So what? So can I ask the attorney here?

Somebody wait for a couple. So So while he's thinking, I can tell you that the reason why you have to give the three is because not everybody actually does the surveying correctly. And if the surveyor comes in after the fence has been built, some of the and especially in Indian Head Park, the the properties will start in one point and will come at an angle and now you have a fence that you build on someone else's lot. If if that's why the 3T is the common thing, not only for maintenance, but for future fights between the I want to ask my question. If I put a fence on three feet into my property after several years, have I lost?

No. That prop? No. Property line because I gave it up. No, you didn't give it up. You have to maintain. It's your responsibility to maintain inside your property line. Yeah. Now, if your neighbor then encloses their yard by using your fence as their property line, then you can actually say, "No, that's my property line." in market. Yeah.

Okay. So, I think we know there's a couple complexities to this regarding the corner lots that we've discussed. We have brought that up with the consultant. We know those are that need further discussion in the in the policy. But do I hear some concurrence? I think with the exception of trustee EC on that on that. Okay. So, I think we get we have some concurrence. The way the current policy is written from the consultant I believe is this version correct?

Th this this version that you are that has been sent out was a version that combined what Chantel had sent us our consultant from looking at your last discussion also with what the changes are. Tony from Strand as well for some specifics and I kind of just reorganized it a little bit to make it easier to read. So, um, okay. So, you should have a copy of that ordinance now, the one that we just did. So, take a look at it. We're not voting on anything tonight. So, let's move on to the second item to to trustees Sana's point about moving to area fences in neighborhoods. So, would you like to

Sure. I I I would definitely like to opine. I believe that we are opening up a Pandora's box by making the half accommodation. So I guess I'm either we go all the way or we don't do it. Rear yards perimeter from the house. Um I think that would look cleaner better than little, you know, uh 25% here, 40% there, or I wouldn't do it at all. I'd leave it as it is. So again, kind of not to, you know, piggybacking a little bit on the wolf. Let's do it correctly or let's not do it. I think we're trying to accommodate some of the voices out there, but I don't think that accommodation again, will it stand the test of time? We're making these decisions that will impact at least until the next board, you know, what does that look like? Again, the same lot that somebody would have with a big sideyard or, you know, a a shallower lot with the same square footage can look radically different than a a skinnier lot with a with deeper square footage. So, I would say allow fully enclosed rear yards or don't allow anything. Just leave it as it is with the pools only.

Jim, I agree with you. And what and uh but I'm going to take it one step further and say no perimeter fences, just leave it as it is. Okay, Danielle, I didn't hear your opinion.

I'm kind of split on this one. Like I I had originally thought that I liked the idea of the percentage as an option. Um but after talking to a few residents and seeing some kind of like potentially rendered pictures, I think that I am not in favor of that. I think that could potentially just look disjointed and really mess up any aesthetic um that could potentially be as a result of fences. So I think with that being said, I'm going to agree with Jim. I'm going to say either either we go for full backyard perimeters or we don't do it at all. Okay. Because I I just think that there's too much inconsistency with the different lot sizes and variations that we have.

So Eileen, you're I don't want backyard fences at all. Okay. Nothing. You're saying nothing, right? Nothing. Okay. Trusty. Uh no backyard fences. Okay. Trustee Sana. So, I want to be um um fully transparent. I brought the language for the partial fencing as a way to foster discussion and figure out what could be a compromise with the residents.

And uh in full disclosure, I don't want fences in the backyard. I never wanted them. I don't I I don't care for them. But I represent the residents. Now I live in Oldtown and as per the survey, the majority of the residents that would be affected by the aesthetics of putting partial or full perimeter or whatever fences inside the neighborhoods uh voted against it 54%. So if you analyze, you know, who's in the west, who's in the east, the people in the east are almost fully on HOAs and they have to go by the HOA regulations. So maybe we should form an HOA on the old town and, you know, just uh get all the nonsense out of the way, but then other nonsense comes in. So I will not support uh fencing in the backyard in the neighborhood in the neighborhoods. Okay? uh because I have heard what the majority of the people affected by them have said. I know it's only 54% but it's still the majority and people you know win elections by one vote and toss coin sometimes. So that's my opinion.

Okay. So I think what we should do then for the next meeting is prepare the amendment for the first item. Um, I know trustee Anayanako is not here, so we need to probably have a discussion with him, give him a chance. So, both amendments, we should bring both amendments next meeting. Um, and then we can cover off with each other before the fact just to make sure we have everything there for the next meeting to have a fruitful discussion then.

Well, I I think what I think, you know, just to, you know, I think trustee Ayanako uh may lean this way. do it correctly. Don't do the partial or don't do it at all. So, we have three don't do it at all. Right. And we have three. Don't do it at all or do the full No, no, no. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. Eileen, Charlie. Well, no. I I said I said I I think we do it. Well, yeah, I said either either all the backyard or so. I think we have no No, no. And we have full per full back perimeter or no, right? With three or two or three. So

I think that's kind of where the rubber meets the road, right? Is that kind of where we're at? Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to, you know, everybody's going to need to make their decisions, including me, by the next meeting if it's a tie. So wait a minute. We have one, two, three. No perimeter, no offenses, right? Yeah. And then and we said if and I said if it's either or, but you haven't said which one. Well, no. I said if no perimeter then none. Yeah. Okay. If no perimeter then no partial perimeter or not. Yeah. I I do want to point out we have a committee of the whole scheduled for April 22nd where this discussion can continue. Yeah. Fine. Okay.

Yeah. So we can't we can continue this discussion at the committee of the whole. Let's do that. We can get the amendments set. We cannot take a vote at a committee of the whole meeting. So we can discuss it. So we can discuss it and then we can come back for a vote next next month and then the item will be closed. So on the docket for discussion, can we make sure that we grab this item on the gate setbacks on gate setbacks for the technical for the front. We're going to vote for it right for the I have a committee of a whole on the 23rd Thursday. My apologies. That's correct. 23rd catch Joe. Somebody somebody's

I'd also like to put in there a discussion of how we're going to um start thinking about or saving for uh shrubbery coverage of the fences. Okay. Or in lie of fenc. I mean we got it. Yeah. Sorry. So, so sorry to ask the question, but Eileen, are you are you stating that you would like the fences to be fully screened, but you think the village should pay for it as opposed to making that a recommendation for the homeowner or requirement for the homeowner? Yeah, she's saying let's discuss it. It's at the committee of the whole money for it. I am up to discussing it. Absolutely. Yeah. A committee of the whole will discuss the whole issue of landscaping on busy roads

because two of them are going to be redesigned. All right. So, I think we have a a way forward. I appreciate everybody taking the time. I know it's been a little bit painful, but I think we got to the next steps. So, we're going to talk about it at committee the whole we're going to advance the or the lang the the amendment language there where we can read it. We can't take any action and then ne next month we will have a vote and then and we'll need to cover off on some of the detail on the more complicated lots that are in the busy street discussion. Does that make sense? and we can go through everything a committee of the whole. We just can't vote on it. Sound good? Yeah, I think that's what we need to do.

All righty. So, let's move on now um to to the reports. Um any trustee reports? No report. No report. All righty. Uh village clerk, no report. Thank you. Say no report. I I was asked to give some updates on items by the mayor. So I'll defer to her if she wants me to give no report. We can do that at committee the whole. All right. I have no then I have no report. No report. Uh village treasurer I gave village attorney. No report. Village administrator.

We can do that. Committee of the whole. We will do a grant update at the committee of the whole. Um and we will also be doing an update. Andre has an update on a variety of things that we'll be doing committee the whole um department heads quickly. Joe, do you want me to say no report? I'm not going to be here. I'll be on vacation. Okay. So, yes, let's because there is an important discussion about the roads.

There's quick. Yeah, I'll be quick. So, as far as the the roads go, this is just a quickie. So, we uh we put a um a project plan into the IEPA uh along with Strand and that was approved. It's the first step you got to go through in order to get uh hopefully try and get some loan funding on some of these projects. Um so, we've been talking about the Pontiac Kia Cook road program, but we wanted to obviously do the water mane first on that. So, we started this process and we wanted to to continue. We could have said, "Yeah, let's just do the project, pay the 1.5 million, and let's move forward." After speaking with Gavin, we decided, let's let's follow the process. Let's keep moving forward and see how it does. So, the first process passed. We approved our project plan, which is not just that project, but six other projects. So, we're ahead of the game going forward with any project. Uh so the first round of loan funding will be found out in May uh to see if we qualify. Uh if not, we will find out in December and the bypass funding if we would able be able to get a loan for the Pontiac which we're trying to actually put in the Blackhawk Trail water main and road program together with that one so we can do a bigger project with loan money so that we could possibly get started on that. So that's kind of where we stand with that. So that as much as we've been talking about the Pontiac RO program and Kia Cookook, not saying that it's not important, it's been pushed a little further back just to see if we can get the loan funding. So with that being said, we're looking at uh possibly doing uh maybe a couple of other road programs this year to supplement um uh the Pontiac project that's been pushed back a little bit. So, we're we're considering the Ashbrook subdivision as a as an option for a road program in a couple of small areas. We're looking at roads obviously that don't get impacted by the infrastructure of a water main

project. And since that's not our water man over there, we could do that road and then we have a couple sections around Cascade that wouldn't be affected either. So, that's where we're going with our road program. Hoping to do something like that. We'll disc I'll discuss with Gavin and see where we go. We're looking into that. We got some numbers as to how much it would cost to do those road programs. I know. Hurry up. Sorry. Uh storm water. Uh the mayor and myself and our intern Brandon uh was were at a storm water infrastructure lunchon this week in countryside and they kind of gave us an update on a lot of the projects that are going around in the area that included playing field and stuff like that. So bless you.

That was uh very good. We also we also had uh my jet truck in town doing some storm water maintenance at various trouble spots in town including the Pontiac bubbler. Everybody knows what that is. And uh we also inhouse did some work on the Pontiac bubbler. If you go by there you'll see we did a little bit of ditch work over there and made it a little bit nicer. And it's still going to do what it does. Uh but it's hopefully going to do do it more efficiently. So, um, and also with that being said with storm water, we're going to put a little something out on our social media. Um, public works does everything they can to prevent any kind of flooding. Obviously, we go out before storms. We try and do it during storms. We clean up after, but we ask for the public's help. Uh, if you see your storm sewer has leaves and stuff on it during a storm, um, we're not here. If it's an emergency, obviously call the police department will come in. But if the public could help us out with cleaning your great in front of your house, that would help us out a ton. Um, so, uh, other than that, our louver program for the public works building, uh, it goes on the street for bid next week. Bid opening on April 30th, and hopefully if it goes through, we'll put it on the board meeting for May. Garden plots are good. Uh, we got some new ones. Uh, Mother's Day weekend is uh, when they're going to start with those. I'm done. Sorry. Thanks.

And just let's make sure we have the shoulder um ordinance changes on an upcoming meeting at some point. Remember road edging. Road edging, please. Enforcement. Enforcement. Steve, I'm happy to report that I'm revamping the police department report. So, I don't have one. I would like to share I feel fortunate to have been selected in for this interim position and hopefully with your support we can make a good police department even better. Thank you. All righty. Um did I miss anyone? Uh we do not need to go to executive session. So I will take a motion to adjurnn. Please motion to adjurnn. Second.

All in favor? The meeting is adjourned. Thank you. Yes sir. Committee of the whole. Okay.