Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

Let's start from the beginning. All right, well, I want to welcome you to the Humboldt County Board Supervisors meeting of Tuesday, July 28th, 2026, a special meeting. And it is 4 p.m. Let's start off with a roll call, please.

Thank you Chair Wilson. Supervisor Bone.

Yeah.

Supervisor Bushnell. Yes. Supervisor Arroyo. Yes. Supervisor Madrone.

Present.

Chair Wilson.

I'm here. All right. And now we'll do the salute to the flag. You want to lead it.

All right, are there any modifications to the agenda?

Good afternoon chair. There are no modifications today.

Oh great. Well they're going to move to the consent calendar. It looks like we have a couple of items on the consent calendar conveniently put on for today. Unless there's any questions from the board I'm going to open it up to public comment. Do we have any hands up in public comment online.

We do. We have one caller with their hand up. Caller I'm going to unmute you and you can press star 6 to unmute yourself.

All right, call her online. This is for the consent calendar. All right, I'm gonna assume that they're shy or this is the wrong item for them, no?

They're here, all right.

We can hear you now.

What is this?

I don't know, this does not seem something that's on the consent calendar. Which one? That's not a real person? Amazing. This is happening to us.

Wow.

Careful. Well, for one, they didn't have an actual number associated with them. So now we're going to move on to see if there's any real humans in the room that want to speak to things that are on the consent calendar. Seeing none, we're going to bring... There you are. On the consent calendar.

I just want to... My name is Diana Preston. I live in Eureka. I just want to encourage the board to always do everything you can to protect whatever we can protect, whatever hasn't been ruined yet, because...

Okay, wait, wait.

You were talking about coastal lighting, right? No, we're talking about the consent calendar. Oh, I'm so sorry. That's all right. Are you getting to coastal lighting?

I'll let you know when we get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. Just a couple items, and we'll be ready for you. All right. Is there anyone who wants to speak on items that are on the consent calendar. There is one item for transfer of contingency funds and there's a resolution separating employee CalPERS health and something something. You can read it if you want to. Anybody. No. All right. Bringing it back to the board is there any discussion about this item at all.

I'll make a motion to accept the consent calendar.

All right. There's a motion and a second. Is there any more discussion.

Can I add, because I did have some questions on the indigent defense. Can you explain that a little bit, CAO, where that $500,000 is, why we have that and why we're having to increase that?

Yeah, this is a typical year-end closing out supplemental funding item for indigent offense. It's a mandate that we provide criminal defense to folks in the judicial system. And when our public defender conflicts out, then it goes to a panel of attorneys. And those costs typically are on the rise. And so this covers the remaining balance of fiscal year 2526.

And so this is basically people that have already been through our system but can't go back through the system because of the conflict.

Exactly.

Double difference. OK. Great. Thank you. That was a question that was being asked.

Chair Wilson can I get confirmation of who seconded the motion. I did. Thank you.

Supervisor Madrone did. All right. Are there any more questions from the board on either one of these items or comments or discussion seeing none. Is there any objection to unanimous consent to the motion made. Seeing none motion passes 5 0. And that moves us on to items with consent. We. Hold on are we going to do public comment not on agenda or we don't do that for special meetings.

We don't do that for special meetings. Fine.

Moving on. Going into public hearings we're going to start with public hearing we're going to open the public hearing and ask staff to introduce the item.

Thank you, Chair Wilson. Good afternoon, Board of Supervisors. My name is John Ford. I'm joined by Rand Meehan and Rodney Yandel to present the modifications that the Coastal Commission have made and recommended to the county's coastal lighting ordinance. And so with that, I'm gonna ask Ms. Meehan to walk us through the changes that were given back to us, and then we'd be happy to answer any questions.

sorry we seem to have technical difficulties so i'm gonna make a quick change here and i'm gonna bring it up oh there you've got it apologies for that so there was only a few modifications made by the coastal commission and those are underlined or striped through as follows i have also I have also highlighted them in yellow for this meeting, just to make it clear. So I'm going to scroll down to the first modification made by the Coastal Commission, and that will be a maximum correlated color temperature of 2,700 kelvins or less between sunset and sunrise for residential uses. This is in addition to having shielded lighting that is directed downwards. There previously was no, uh, broad color temperature regulation for residential use lighting. The second modification is coastal commission added, uh, public facilities to also fit under agricultural commercial and industrial use. And the final modification made by the coastal commission is removing lots and adding circulation areas. So now we'll read as parking and circulation areas, and that will include loading docks, walkways, streets, and other areas. And that will conclude the modifications made by the coastal commission.

All right is there any more discussion from the staff on this before we bring it back to the board for questions and then we'll open it up to public comment. Any questions from the board for this moment. OK. We're going to bring it back to public comment. Is there any online. Do you have a question. OK. I asked a few times. OK. Go for it.

Yeah John I'm not sure which one to ask. On the looms like on the commercial parking lots and things like that. How much does this differ from the inland portion. So 2700 and and and the and the bulbs the warm bulbs the offset bulbs are different colored.

Both of the inland and the coastal are limited in their looms to 3200. The change made by the Coastal Commission is to limit the correlated color temperature to 2700. So in addition to that, as Ms. Meehan mentioned, having the lights be completely shielded and not have light trespass, now they're also temperature restricted to 2700. let me be real clear, lumens and CCT, corollary color temperature, are two different measurements.

Yep. Okay, I'm just, I worry because the public has more problems in parking lots with break-ins and I mean, we see it at stores in our own area, I don't wanna name any, of a lot of thefts, purses, things like that, or actually people being accosted at their cars when they come out of, this is one of the reasons we have so many fences around parking lots of sensitive areas, and I just, less lighting at those places seems to be counterproductive to keeping our citizens safe. And I don't really know if it's gonna affect the wildlife as much as it'll affect the other life that's walking on the ground trying to make it to their transport vehicles and stuff. And I don't have any say on it. I'm just wondering what your feelings are on that.

Well, I mean, since you asked for my feelings, I'm going to say that we thought we've done a pretty good job of limiting the number of looms requiring complete screening only allowing them to be only allowing the lighting to be downward directed, could not trespass outside of the area where it's intended to be shown. Can't trespass onto adjacent properties and can't illuminate the night sky. The Coastal Commission felt that minimizing the color to reduce the brightness of the light would also be an appropriate change.

I would just like to add that for the coastal and the inland, the board approved the limit of the correlated color temperature of 2,700 kelvins or less. The main change with the coastal now is it includes loading docks, walkways, streets, and as the coastal commission stated, other areas. So there is no change on the lumens or the color temperature for parking lots between the two. It's just now the coastal includes a broader area of not just parking lots, it's also loading docks, walkways.

And some of those sound like work areas. I mean, and I think the one thing you want to do, and I don't know where OSHA comes in or anything else, is to lower any lighting in a work area. I mean, I think that's an accident waiting to happen, and I just, I'm having trouble addressing that, and then we're going to have situations um, like what are we going to do right in the middle of the wildlife areas out there at, uh, both the Eureka boat dock and, and, and Woodley Island and things like that. When those guys are going out at three and four in the morning and trip hazards and everything else, the more lights are the better. And they've always had good lighting out there when I've been out there early in the morning. And I don't know, does that change now or will that change when they've replaced them or?

It would only change if they redid the lighting more than the fixtures. I mean, they can still change bulbs, keep what they have. Some of that's in the city.

So most of this will be all for new construction? Correct. Yeah, we don't do that anymore, so we're good.

Supervisor Bushnell and then Supervisor Arroyo.

Thank you. Could you tell me what 2700K, whatever it looks like, what is that? Is it a regular light bulb?

Yeah, go ahead and share that.

And this would be for residential, right?

Be for residential and walkways and streets.

Okay, so that's the same?

So they're on, go ahead.

So currently it is at the four 45.

What's that?

Is it currently at the 45 or no?

Currently there's no regulation in terms of the CCT.

Okay.

So what this would do is move it to the left side of the spectrum to what's called warmer lighting. And, um, And that is, there's a lot of reasons that is good for that. It does not provide the same crisp, bright light. Okay. That a bluer light would.

Are there accommodations for folks that, um, especially in the residentials that might have C eye problems or are disabled. And if that is not enough light for them to navigate around their home or sidewalk.

Anything in the ordinance can be changed with the conditional use permit.

So if they're disabled, they have to come get a conditional use permit?

If they're disabled, they could probably do that through, and there is an accommodation process for zoning for people who are disabled, and it can be done through that process.

Okay. I just know that that low light with someone that has eye problems, like if they're legally blind, they need more light than that. That doesn't help them at all. So, okay.

I think this begs the question of whether we're talking about Kelvin or foot candles, like the intensity of the light or the color of the light. So I was wondering if you could speak to that. If we regulate the color temperature of the light, that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be more intense. Is that correct?

Well, what we did in the ordinance is we limited the lumens, the intensity of the light, to 1,100 lumens in residential and 3,200 lumens in commercial, industrial, agricultural areas. Now that's also for public facilities. And I think that so there is that limitation there. And it begs the question sometimes that do you need the same amount of limitation on lumens if you're restricting the light color?

Okay, I'm going to, if I can, oh, sure. Supervisor Madrona.

Lighting's an interesting thing, right? It's not exactly what you think it is. I think that's kind of where the discussion is showing us. For instance, I've seen a lot of information that suggests that the brighter the light, the darker the shadow. easier to hide behind those shadows and do things nefariously, et cetera, et cetera. So it's an interesting thing because the softer lights actually penetrate the shaded areas better than the bright light does. So it's kind of a complicated issue. I think this is a good approach. I don't have a problem with it. I don't think it's a big change, personally.

I just want to say this is not an unusual standard. There are many communities across the West and even in Florida and other places that this is the very common standard, especially in coastal areas, especially in areas that have estuarine ecosystems, especially in areas that have things like sea turtles coming to nest or migrating birds and all of those other species that it this is this is common is that i'm just and there are many uh... cities in what you would consider uh... it in texas and in other places that have this because they really uh... value the night sky and they and and uh... in the rural character of that. And I will say that we are talking about temperature again. It is true what Supervisor Madrone is saying is that brighter lights, especially if they are not shielded, can create visual issues for folks because they are high contrast. Your eyes adapt to the light and not the dark. And so what happens is you actually get less vision or less ability to see into shadowed spaces. I will also note that for folks with eye problems, a lot of eye problems, they actually, there's a lot of recommendations around having these warmer lights, because they irritate and have less, they create less contrast. And so it is one of those things that is, for certain conditions, it is a recommendation. Not for all. So with that, I want to bring this to public comment. And if we could, if we have someone online, this is your time. Online folks, please, this is your time to comment.

Thank you, Chair Wilson. Caller 5288, I will unmute you and you'll have three minutes.

Hello. You know, I've always wondered when we have different regulations in the coastal zone in the county, such as I guess we're having here, how many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars that cost us to have to put up with two sets of regulations, two different enforcement things. Then you've got boundaries and nobody knows. So I have a major problem at all with having a coastal zone, separate zone on the thing. I do... totally understand some of the proposed science that we've just spoken here. I have to say I have not heard these things. I do not think So my question, maybe you can ask, maybe John Ford can answer this. If somebody wants to come in, what is a conditional use permit or use permit, how much does that cost? And if there's much cost associated with that, you know, somebody who is visually impaired, And I know people who are, and the more light they can put on a subject, and not in some dark gold color, but in the regular spectrum of light, they can see better. So I have to... There's so many things we have regulating that we're over-regulating, and I don't really see the science there. I don't think we have too many sea turtles crawling up on our beaches here. We do down in Mexico. They seem to do just fine. You've got total bright lights out there on the beach. But anyway, this over-regulation, the Coastal Commission, maybe it's time it just went ahead and disbanded. and let the counties do what they need to do on the coastal zone. Thank you for my opportunity to speak today.

That is all on Zoom, Chair.

Now we're bringing it to the room. I know you had something to say. If there's anyone else that wants to comment on this agenda item, please do so. Please get in line, I think.

Hi.

Hello.

Diana Preston from Eureka. I truly appreciate you guys really debating this because I'm elderly and I'm terrified of falling and I do like to have good lighting. I think the idea of shielding the atmosphere from it is absolutely brilliant. I never would have thought of that on my own. And I do think that the recognition that the coast is different from other places is a good thing in California. However, I've been listening to lots of podcasts lately and listening to people complain about how overregulation keeps California from getting anything done. So I want you to know I'm like really sympathetic to that point of view. On the other hand, I think our future lies with our beauty and our tourism. I think that once this current rapacious chapter is over in our history, that we're going to get back to things that are more real and more permanent. And I think that preserving the migratory birds and the safeness of our little snowy plovers and our... Are there ground nesting birds?

Oh, God. Anyway, so that's what I have to say.

Oh, yes. And I think that, oh, I have a couple of points of order. One thing, last time I was here, I was trying to make notes for my organization, and it turned out that I wasn't clear on.

This has to be, you have to be talking about the ordinance. Okay, great.

Thank you so much.

That's fine. That would have been the comment time. Oh, we didn't have it this time. At the next meeting, you can come. Comments not on the agenda. Yeah, yeah.

Hello, Sylvia Van Ryan commenting on behalf of Humboldt Waterkeeper. I just wanted to start off by thanking the planners for their work on this ordinance and we're really grateful that a lot of our comments have been incorporated along the way. Humboldt County's night skies have much stronger protections now thanks to your staff. There is one final opportunity to make these protections even stronger, and that is to incorporate the Coastal Commission edits that included a blanket color temperature limit into the inland version of this ordinance, because that still lacks the blanket color temperature. limit. So a color temperature limit regulates simply the color tone of the light. So whether or not it's blue or yellow and the planners pulled up a really excellent spectrum example earlier showing that the color temperature spectrum for light goes from yellow to blue. And the reason we want more yellow lights is because blue light actually suppresses the release of melatonin, not just in our brains, but in the brains of wildlife. And melatonin is the hormone that makes you sleepy. So it confuses wildlife and disrupts their natural sleep and wake cycles. Additionally, blue light scatters more easily in the near atmosphere and reflects back to Earth causing sky glow. So I'm sure you've seen the kind of glow around cities at night. That's sky glow. And the big contributor to that is blue lights. So the more yellow lights we have, the less sky glow we have, which in turn impacts migratory birds even less. So that's an important thing to regulate. We're really excited to see the blanket color temperature limit in the coastal zone, especially because we have so many sensitive bird species using our coast in Humboldt. But migratory birds don't recognize the limits of the coastal zone. So I think it would be really great to go back and incorporate this blanket color temperature limit into the inland version of the ordinance where birds and other wildlife will be impacted by blue outdoor lighting. Thank you.

Hello again, Board. I'm Eileen Mandelbaum, and I appreciate this opportunity. We've already talked a lot about birds, but that's my focus. According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, nighttime lighting can pull migrating birds off course as much as three miles. Water Keepers talks about the problem in foggy conditions and disoriented birds wasting energy that they need to get to their feeding grounds. This was a concern where I lived with my husband at Mono Lake. for many years and Mona Lake is like Humboldt Bay, a vital part of the restaurant hemispheric network for migrating shorebirds and waterfowl. We knew that these birds were often blown off course and we would find them weak and disoriented in illuminated parking lots on highways. Um, and they were weak and disoriented there and thinking that, or intending but not finding the water source that they were seeking. Mono Lake was also a well-known center for stargazing and, dare I say, UFO sightings. It was a popular activity at Mono Lake. But Mono County made a concerted effort to preserve dark night skies and the challenge was is that much of the illumination came from existing facilities like the Caltrans Yard, or the schools or the US Forest Service or utilities like Southern California Edison in which it was assumed the county did not have jurisdiction. And the argument was that mostly it was that lights were required for security purposes, But the reality was is that the glare on some of these parking lots and facilities made it impossible to look in and actually detect trespassers. By shielding the lights, which did happen, because under the pressure of the community and the county recognizing it was a need, they worked to diminish these lights. We found it made a real difference in the visual ability to look into these areas and detect who might be present in those areas. I support Humboldt County adopting these new regulations and, if necessary, create an outreach program for entities that are not necessarily under this jurisdiction but would cooperate with you. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, next.

Good afternoon. My name is Mark Wilson. I live in McKinleyville, California, and I'm here today to represent the astronomers of Humboldt, a local 501c3 educational organization. And we would like to support the new additions that the Coastal Commission has suggested, particularly the 2700 a Kelvin light color, if you will. Our organization, by its very nature, astronomers, we know the night sky. And I'm here to tell you, you can see in the dark. Your eyes adjust. And I invite all of you to come to one of our events and you'll see. But Supervisor Bone brought this particular item up. And the fact is that two bright lights you can't see, like Supervisor Madrone There are a lot of things you just simply can't see, but your eyes adjust amazingly, even in the dark. Also, I'd like to bring up the item under exempt lighting, number 105142. This was brought up back when this issue was first being discussed by Supervisor Wilson about the exemption for lighting for flags. And at the time, I didn't know there was any particular lighting other than going up. But in the last couple of weeks, I've had occasion to look up some flagpole accessories that I've got online. And it turns out that there are above lighting systems for flags, residential and commercial. And just about every store that sells flags, flagpoles, and accessories has these available. So some of them are solar powered, some of them are hardwired, but they do have above flag lighting. And in particular, I'm thinking like flags in the coastal zone right on the edge there at the Mad River Bridge between McKinleyville and Arcata, the big giant flag. I think it's still Wes Green's landscaping. I noticed they don't have a flag up there when I drove by yesterday, and I don't know if they have put one up lately. I don't know about the lighting, but I think they probably have from the ground up lighting. In conclusion, I'd like to say that all animals and all plants depend on the day-night cycle. Birds have been mentioned most commonly in the comments and suggestions, but I'd like to point out this article in the June issue of Scientific American about the nocturnal navigation of ants. They aren't our favorite animal. They're not warm and fuzzy like otters or birds, but everything depends on this day-night cycle. If there are play even even plants too. So with that we we support the new amendments. Thank you.

Thanks. Is there any other comments from the public. Seeing none I'm going to bring it back to the board. If there's comments or more questions this is your time. Supervisor Arroyo.

Thank you. I just wanted to bring up, and sometimes I can't remember whether I have mentioned things like this in this setting or in a different jurisdiction, but the National Institute on Crime Prevention through Environmental Design, which is something that developed out of a partnership with law enforcement, so it's very much law enforcement supported, specifically says that uniformity is more important than brightness to avoid harsh contrasts and deep black shadows which hide potential intruders and make areas less safe and to use warm color temperatures, 3000 Kelvin or lower, to improve nighttime color recognition and cut down on glare so that those are all features of safety that they recommend. So I appreciate that these recommendations are in line with that. And for all the reasons already discussed, I'm happy to move forward with it.

Supervisor Bushnell.

Thank you. Just doing a little thing, quick thing. Low intensity lighting with a yellow tone is generally harder to see with low vision people because dim, warm lights lacks the brightness and contrast needed by poor sight. And it specifically says warm yellow lights, low Kelvin temperatures around 2700K, which is what you guys are recommending, right? or lower dull colors and lower contrast between objects and their backgrounds are very difficult for people with eyesight problems.

All right. Anybody else? Do we have a second? Was there a motion?

Did you make a motion or no?

No, there was no motion.

I'll move the staff recommendation.

Okay.

Second.

There is a motion and a second. Just want to Yes, sir.

Yeah, I'll be. I mean, the comment was made and everything else about uniformity, and I've heard this, and it's better if it's darker because that way the burglars can't hide in the shadows. And I'm going to tell you, I've got, don't come out to the ball fields at night, John, because I'm illegal as hell right now because I've had 17 break-ins in the last 19 months. I've responded to 29 calls. calls on my alarm system. And I have upgraded the lighting extremely in the last eight weeks and I've had one call. So I guess they don't like the shadows. But the comment was made that we're gonna restrict ourselves right out of business. And that's what we're doing. We throw more restrictions than we give help to people that want to do stuff and I think we've settled our staff and everything else with all these restrictions and I keep hearing that you know I've been here 72 years and I've gone through all these cycles and this is a pretty tough one right now because I don't see a lot of stuff being built with private dollars. I see a lot of government stuff being built but I'll be voting no on this. Okay.

I want to just briefly Brampton there was a suggestion for uniformity in the ordinance and there was a comment that in order to reduce confusion and maybe cost to have conformity with the coastal ordinance versus the upland ordinance and I don't know if there is room I guess. Can you talk about if this board wanted to see that happen what would that be and then basically the I would basically be asking the motion maker and the seconder if they want to do that. And if not, we'll move forward with what we've got.

So can you? Sure, thank you. It would be a motion to direct staff to amend the inland version of the lighting ordinance to reflect the changes that have been incorporated into the coastal ordinance that would require going back to the Planning Commission coming forward to the Board of Supervisors okay so would require that process okay

And to be clear, that wouldn't mean that we couldn't move forward with our, with today's recommendation regarding coastal right?

Today's recommendation should be structured as two, if you want to do that, should be structured as two things. One, to adopt this ordinance, adopt the resolution, making the findings, and then separately to direct staff. Separate direction.

I'm amenable to that.

Okay so the motion maker and the seconder are amenable to to basically take the these modifications and make them ubiquitous across the county so there's no confusion there's no one has to worry about those differences. I want a couple before I close out I just want to say you know sometimes people also have more lighting. This is, and there's, or sometimes they're just more strategic about where they put their lighting and how it works and what they do and the timing of that. For folks that have lighting already, and this, I don't know how much this has an impact, but I will say, and as a suggestion out there, we do see a lot of folks with some fairly bright floodlights pointing in all kinds of directions. The best thing that, institutions and people can do is just to point those things down, straight down. Again, we were talking about how it makes that contrast far, far less for people who are in the area to be able to see. Because if you have a bright light shining at you, it is hard to really see what is happening around you. And I want to also mention that the sun is the warmer light. It's not the brighter light. So it matches more the natural lighting than what that very bright light is. With that, I feel like we're probably gonna have to take a roll call vote. unless there's any final comments. All right. Supervisor Bushnell.

Thank you. I'm not probably going to vote on this either. I would like for accommodations something easier than a conditional use permit for someone that's legally blind or cannot see with a low dim light. And I also just want to say that on public spaces especially county properties if we get somebody that falls because they can't see we're going to get sued.

Supervisor Butler. And you made a great point. The reason a lot of this lighting ordinance is here is I had a retired Caltrans engineer in my office about two years ago. And then I hooked him up with John. And I think he helped with the ordinance quite a bit with drafts and everything else. He's a pretty brilliant guy. I went to school with him. He brought this forward because his neighbor has a motion light on his garage. that he actually had to put half-inch plywood over his windows on the back of his house to keep the light out. Literally, half-inch plywood took four windows out of the back of his house. So that's how this all got started. And that's what I'm after. I'm not, you know, I think everything else adapts. Like somebody said earlier that the birds are affected. And I'm not going to do the math since I bird hunt quite a bit. they also made the birds get blown off course, just as much as they get drawn to light. So I just, and we, you know, on that whole migration and I'm thinking of brand and things like that, but that's how this got started. And I think if we would have had common courtesy, amongst neighbors, we wouldn't be in this situation at all. But as we found out, that's not the way it is. But the last thing is, we're pretty good at taking minor problems and turning them into a major change. And I just think that's restrictive to a lot of people.

John, if we were to give instruction to the Planning Commission to review accommodations for folks with eyesight issues would that be a difficult thing for them to if it if Okay

So, sorry, I just wanted to confirm my understanding. We have actually adopted an ordinance called reasonable accommodation.

Okay.

So this is something that could be looked at and covered under that. For somebody who is eyesight impaired, this would not require a CUP. They could do it under the reasonable accommodation.

OK thank you I appreciate that it's fun because otherwise I was going to ask that if we were if it was voted on to bring something back to adapt to make you ubiquitous I'd say that would be the time for us to discuss it. But you're saying it's not required for that.

We can address it. That does fall to the director. So the director would need to make good decisions about what's reasonable to accommodate any handicap. And we try very diligently to make sure people can get in and out of their homes without any complication.

I appreciate that. OK, then I feel confident that that can be addressed. All right, with that, Bringing it back to the board, can we have a roll call, please?

Yes, Chair Wilson. Supervisor Madrone?

Yes.

Supervisor Wilson?

Yes.

Supervisor Bushnell? No. Supervisor Bone?

No.

Supervisor Arroyo? Yes. Motion carries, 3-2.

All right, thank you for the good discussion, robust analysis, and I'm closing the public hearing now, and we are gonna be moving to closed session, and please read that in.

Thank you, Chair Wilson. It is the intention of the board to meet in closed session pursuant to government code section 54956.8, to grant authority to its negotiators regarding the price and terms of payment for the lease of real properties located at 1425 J Street, Arcata, California, 95521, assessor parcel number 020-133-022, 1018 H Street, Eureka, California, 95501, assessor parcel number 005-023-002, 1100 Main Street for Ferndale, California, 95536. Assessor parcel number 030-191-013. 1426 Main Street, Fortuna, California. 95540, assessor parcel number 040-021-007, and 483 Conger Street, Garberville, California, 95542, assessor parcel number 032-011-006. The county's negotiators are identified as Tom Madsen, Humboldt County Public Works Director, and any duly authorized designees thereof. The parties with whom the county may negotiate are identified as American Legion Posts 274, 212, 559, 205, and 494, and Veterans of Foreign Wars Posts and any duly authorized designees thereof.

Great, do we have public comment online?

We do have one caller online, caller 5288, I will unmute you and you will have three minutes.

When you go into these negotiations, I hope you recognize that the people, the veterans you're dealing with, their facilities, what they have given, what their friends gave their lives sometimes. And I hope you honor them with good terms, good conditions. I hope that you don't fail to follow through with those conditions, such as maintenance, so we don't end up with another Garberville project. I think this is something that we owe the people of Humboldt County who have served and the armed forces and count on these places to go. A lot of them have to have, they come back to heal, they have camaraderie, and this is where they survive. So please look at it from that viewpoint when you're doing the negotiations. Times are tough. Finances are tough. but hopefully you'll go the extra mile to these people who are so deserving of our concerns and consideration. Thank you for my opportunity to speak today.

Thank you. Is anyone else online?

We do not have anyone else online.

Okay. No robots? No. All right. Any robots in the room? Any humans in the room? Seeing none, I think we're ready to roll into closed session.

Thank you.

Mr. Black, we're rolling? Is your mic on?

It is now.

Yeah. All right, we're rolling. All right, we're closing this out. Take it away, council.

Thank you, Chair Wilson. There was no reportable action taken with regards to item G1.

Adjourned for a while. We'll be back, I think, on the 11th of August. All right.