City Council - workshop

I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS A DULY NOTICED WORKSHOP MEETING OF HUDSON CITY COUNCIL HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SUNSHINE LAWS OF THE STATE OF OHIO SECTION 121.22 AND THE CITY OF HUDSON CHARTER ARTICLE 3 SECTION 3.02. THE DATE IS TUESDAY, JUNE 23, 2026. IT IS 730 P.M. And per ordinance 220.031 titled workshop meetings and item C, I would now like to turn the meeting over to Council President Byrd so as to continue through the remaining workshop agenda items. Council President Byrd, the floor and workshop meeting is yours.

All right, thank you very much, Mayor. Next is correspondence and council comments. Get my attention if you have any comments you'd like to make. Amanda.

I was at the Planning Commission meeting yesterday. Many of the members attended the charrette and they had, I thought, really positive feedback about how well it was run and appreciated the opportunity for community to provide early input. There were some concerns about the feasibility of the ideas that they heard from community members. And relatedly, the Clinton Crossing Committee meeting was this morning. And we discussed plans for traffic studies, which we'll also talk about tonight, and also plans for studying the financial implications of various plans. They continued their discussion about the land development code and plan developments, and they want to make adjustments to that and updates. They would like the chair of planning commission, Sarah Norman, to come chat with us about it, possibly on July 14th. to talk about the issues that they've surfaced and just get our feedback before they have a committee put too much effort into making these changes just to kind of hear what our thoughts are on the issues they see with planned developments and making updates to the land development code when it comes to planned developments. They would also like an update on the retirement facility impact on EMS. And they also brought up concerns or questions, maybe, just at the end, wanting to look into our code and processes for temporary or special events.

Thank you. Others? Sam?

Last Thursday, I attended BCBA's meeting. We had three different groups come for different variances. The most relevant was three variances to accommodate the proposed townhome development and extension of Public Veterans Trail and Clinton Crossing. Two of the three variances were approved with one just kind of with some further evaluation, mostly to try to preserve the environmental layout. So they're going to do a little bit more work before they come back and present that.

Thanks. Tom, Kevin, and I attended a meeting this morning with First Energy. First Energy was discussing efforts to improve reliability, speed up outage restoration, and trying to become more proactive in tree trimming around their lines. After that, all three of us had an opportunity to talk with our rep, Amy Hopkins, on the way out, and we were continuing to push for the updates to Bridgewater, Tobridge, and the Shires. Our plan is to continue bugging them until those improvements are made. We want them to get done this year. Bridgewater already has the materials delivered and the installation will hopefully be coming in the next couple weeks, although I feel like I've said that a few times now.

something go jeffrey yeah just a couple housekeeping items and a couple reminders for the community we will not have a meeting next tuesday june 30th because it's the fifth tuesday of the month whenever that happens we do not have meetings we then are on recess for the july 7th tuesday meeting so our next meeting is not until tuesday july 14th which will be a combination workshop and regular city council meeting And with that next meeting not being until July 14th, a few community reminders. The Lighting Our Legacy Festival and Fireworks Show is taking place on Friday, July 3rd at Barlow Farm Park. That opens, I believe, at 6 p.m. Four on the Fourth race is in downtown. It starts around 8.30 a.m., and that's by the Western Reserve Racing, so people can still sign up if they're looking to do either a four-mile or I believe it's a two-mile as well. And then last community reminder, the gazebo ribbon cutting is still on schedule for July 6th at 5.30 p.m. I did notice that the rails are on now. The sandstone steps are in, the rails are in, the pad is in, the painting and repairs are done. I believe we're just looking for some finished landscaping. So that project is coming right along and almost complete to be opened back to the public. So thank you.

Yesterday Kyle and I attended a meeting with the famous, because they were on the front page last week, the famous referendum group. I think it was a good discussion where we tried to understand and share information about D8 versus D11 and get a better understanding around that. And I think it was an excellent example of civil discourse. We exchanged ideas. There wasn't any mudslinging or trying to win an argument. And everyone was very, very respectful. And it was a very good discussion. And then secondly, as far as the Clinton crossing plan is going, I wanted to make sure that everyone knew that next week the Clinton Crossing Charette Summary Open House is going to be from 5 p.m. till 8 p.m. Wednesday, July 1st at the High School Media Center. So this is an open house for public comments. to determine the preferred concepts that should be refined into draft plans. So everyone's invited to that. There's no registration. Five to eight next Wednesday, July 1st at the high school. Sam.

Thank you. I forgot to give one more update on last Wednesday. Council President Dr. Byrd, myself and Councilman White, along with public service members, the chiefs and city staff, we had our second public safety subcommittee. I was nominated as the chair, and we really are diving into more of the e-bikes and safety downtown as far as locations, and we're hoping to bring that to Council to kind of discuss what that is going to look like with plans to have a town hall in August for residents to discuss concerns and questions regarding e-bikes and other safety vehicles downtown.

Um, next is discussion items and I think we have none. So moving on to the proposed consent agenda for July 14th, 2026 council meeting for a is TMP dash eight, six, six, six, a resolution authorizing the city manager to enter in a renewal contract with bluebird Midwest LLC for dedicated internet services and declaring an emergency. We'll

So this item, Bluebird, is one of our ISPs that we currently use today. They were formerly EverStream. The reason we're bringing it to you now is our renewal is up. However, due to the merger, it took unusually long for us to get a quote, which is why we've had to apply the emergency language. So we were finally able to get that quote. It is significantly cheaper than our old price, a little over 50%. And again, it does fall under the state term bids, so we don't have to go out for multiple bids. I will add Bluebird is also one of three ISPs that we work with. So we have two others, Cogent and Zayo now, because they also went through a merger. And this company would be the cheapest of the three? Yes, this will be the cheapest of the three. And that will also give us leverage when we renew our other contracts to kind of push them down as well.

Any questions or comments for Will on 4A? Okay. Thank you, Will. Next up is 4B, TMP-8724, resolution authorizing the city manager to enter into a police services agreement with the Hudson City School District for police presence in its schools for the safety of staff, students, and visitors.

This is a renewal for the third SRO that we did three years ago. We've been meeting with the school board and discussing, and they are going to pay for the increase in the cost per hour of the third SRO. So we're very happy about this. The school will meet, I believe, later this week, the school board. So we wanted to kind of have our workshop before it and then approval if council approves it on the 14th of July. And then in between there, the school board will vote on it. Happy to answer any questions.

I was just going to make a statement. Parna, the clerk and I spoke about this yesterday and I decided not to try to change the agenda before this workshop. The description was a little bit confusing for people that are not intimately involved with this. As you know, Mr. Sheridan, we've had a third resource officer for the last several years that's in the existing contract. And correct me if I'm wrong, this is a renewal of the contract, keeping that third resource officer along with the original two. The school was always paying for the third. The city was always paying for the first two. So we're continuing that. We're cutting and pasting, but there's a cost increase that's come along with that since we're going into a new contract. So it was a little bit confusing, I thought, to the public. I don't know if we want to correct that description. If you didn't know the details, you would read that and think, oh, we are adding a third person. We already have the third person. We're just talking about the cost increase, salary increase, if you will, not a cost of adding an additional officer.

We can look at revising the wording before the 14th. And then also, just so council knows, over the summer, all three of these resource officers help us to cover for vacations during the summertime. So we get to use them all during the summertime. So that's kind of a benefit. And the school allows us to use this person during that time. And they do pay their annual salary. Okay.

Just sorry, just one more comment. Just because I'm in the school so often, when we changed this and added the third resource officer last year, if the public doesn't realize this, there was one that was always stationed at the high school, and then the second one floated between all the other, the middle schools and elementary schools. As of this last contract that is coming due now, The third officer then was stationed full-time at the middle school, so you had a resource officer full-time at the high school, one at the middle school, and then that third one rotated between Eastwoods, McDowell, and Ellsworth. So just additional point of clarification for the public. And so that situation, my understanding, is going to stay the same.

Correct.

Thank you.

Okay, next is C, TMP-8713, resolution authorizing city manager enter into a stormwater easement agreement at 2095 Ravenna Street, parcel number 30-01761.

No. Good evening, Mayor and Council. There is an exhibit of the location for the stormwater easement in the packet. This easement is being generated for a new storm sewer extension that was required for our ongoing construction of the Ravenna Street sidewalk project. The introduction of the sidewalk in front of this property created or exasperated a damming situation that was already there where a roadside ditch didn't have capacity and it would go over the roadway. So the city decided, or I decided, to install a new storm sewer at this location to pick up this low area. And be able to intercept the flows before they go over the roadway and alleviate that damming situation. I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Questions or comments for Brad? And the homeowner is in agreement then?

Yes. Yeah, that was number one.

OK. All right. Thanks. Next is D, TMP-8750, resolution authorizing the city manager to enter in a professional service contract with TMS engineers for a traffic impact study for the proposed Clinton Crossing project.

So for those of you who don't know a traffic impact study, we'll take a look at future build out for development and how it impacts the roadway network. And that could be, you would do a trip at traffic impact study for something maybe as simple as a new bank or, or, small development at Strip Plaza going in. In this case, we're doing one for the future build out of our Clinton Crossing project. Consequently, if you look at the map provided in there, there's a number, a huge number of intersections and roadway segments that we'll analyze as part of that design. We want to be as thorough as possible in understanding what future development could bring what could bring to the existing roadway network. This study will not only look at existing versus proposed build out, we'll take a brief look at the history of the site, when there was a salt dome and bus garage there at the site, so we'll analyze not only previous use, but also existing uses versus proposed uses, and then we'll also analyze if there is improvements needed, whether it be Intersection improvements like a roundabout or signal improvements, we'll run that analysis as well and see does that mitigate or how well does that offset any increases in traffic we might see.

Comments or questions for Brad on that one? Nope. Okay. Thank you, Brad. Next one is 4E TMP-8725. Resolution amending resolution 25-182 and authorizing city manager to increase an existing purchase order for a Cougenet golf equipment and declaring an emergency. Kevin.

Yeah, so this is kind of a success story here. We budget based on our previous year's expenses plus a nominal increase for inflation and some increased growth. In 2023, we budgeted $45,000 and spent 27. In 2024, we had budgeted 45,000 and we spent 41. In 25, we had budgeted 50,000 and spent 49,000. As of this year, to date, we've spent $48,000. This is what we use to purchase items that go into the pro shop, and there's a return on that. So we typically mark up items between 15% and 30%, average 20%. If you will, so we're getting a return on this. This money is coming right back into the fund as we sell these items. So the pro shop has actually been more successful than we had anticipated with the building of the new clubhouse. So what we're asking is just to increase the amount that we can spend to buy additional supplies for the clubhouse for the pro shop to continue selling throughout the rest of the year.

So, so far this year, you said you've sold about $50,000 worth of, wow.

This is last year. The entire year we spent 50. That's good.

So simulators.

Wow.

That's awesome news. How much of a burden as far as timing and supply management is kind of this situation where you're like, oh, we're selling so well, we need to go to council and ask for more money. I'm wondering if it would make sense to have some sort of formula in place for something like this where, you know, we are getting a return for it. You know, they're coming here having to ask us for more money to make us additional money. I'm just curious, is this a burden?

It's not necessarily a burden. It's, you know, we're in the first year of the new clubhouse. So this was kind of, I would say, unanticipated. We had an expectation as to what we'd sell because we've had a pro shop at the previous clubhouse. We didn't expect it to be this successful.

Yeah, so we don't, I think you're getting, we don't want to lose sales because we don't move fast enough to get you approval to buy more stuff.

Yeah, we're working our finger on that and making sure we're here in time. Okay.

Awesome. Okay. Next, F TMP-8726 resolution, amending resolution 25-159. authorizing the city manager to enter into an emergency agreement with Magnitech and Industrial Services Inc. for the repair of a 12.47 kilovolt transformer at the city's South Main Street substation.

Jeffrey. I do have several questions, and please bear with me. I'm trying not to bore anybody with my career and my background, but I have 30 years of business experience in the electric motor industry, so we deal with base copper prices, base aluminum, zinc, all kinds of other things, because an electric motor is not that much different from a transformer as it uses. copper wire to wind a field or an armature. So I'm looking at the letter from Magnetac and another piece of my background and my day job. I work with the commodity exchanges all the time when we're negotiating contracts because of the fluctuations in some of those commodities. So whether you're looking at the London Metal Exchange or the Shanghai Futures Exchange, Face copper is out there. You can find a commodity index for any commodity. Understand that copper then is processed into wire. Sometimes it's coated and varnished and whatnot. We do have a insulation package in there, so I'm assuming this is pretty close to just processed wire based on the size. So I deal with those exchanges all the time in those contracts. I'm actually doing one right now. And it's pretty straightforward. You weigh your product. You know how much copper is in your product. You look at a period whether it's excuse me, my mic's going in and out. You look at a period whether it's monthly or quarterly and you say, okay, the exchange for base copper has changed from two months ago and last month by 25 cents. And I have a pound of copper in my product, so then that math works out to the cost increase is 25 cents. One pound times 25 cents. Because the indexes are all in price per pound. So I do that every day. And when I started looking at the letter from Magnetek, I had several questions. First off, they are saying they're referencing copper base cost varies daily and is volatile. It does vary daily. I get a daily email looking at this exchange in particular because of the experience I have in the $12.50 or $12.73. Even if you add an adder for processing of the raw copper, it's not that much. The London Metal Exchange today was $6.21 per pound of base copper. And if you look at the trend since August when I believe we signed this contract, it has gone up by about 40%. So copper has been increasing steadily since last August. It's at one of its highest points by 40% compared to August. So again, looking at the math, you look at these indexes and you look at the weight of product. So Magnitech had down in there the original high voltage and low voltage conductors were 9,450 pounds at $12.50 a pound. I still challenge that $12.50 number because that is more than twice, actually it's almost three times the index from August. Again, I know there's processing in there. But then they have come down and they have increased the total weight from 9,450 pounds. Again, you plug this into a formula based on weight of base copper. They have increased that to just over 10,000 pounds, so a minor increase, so the weight hasn't necessarily changed. But what they've done is they've broken out the high voltage conductor and the low voltage conductor. And again, not to bore anybody with the details, but high voltage conductors are high voltage, lower current, so the conductor is smaller. A low voltage conductor has a lower voltage, higher current. You have to have a larger conductor to carry that current. It's basic Ohm's law. So what I have a concern with then is why did they include originally the high voltage conductor and the low voltage conductor at the same price per pound, which was up on top of their letter was $12.50. They've now broken that out. And again, this is all done by weight. The weight has changed minuscule. They've now said the high voltage conductor is 12.73 pounds, a modest increase, but the low voltage conductor has gone from $12.50 a pound to $51 a pound. There is no way that that is accurate. I WOULD URGE THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER PULLING THIS NEXT WEEK IF THIS IS NOT RESOLVED BECAUSE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT A LOW VOLTAGE CONDUCTOR, IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING WE'RE BASING THIS ON THE COPPER BASE PRICES, THE LONDON METALS EXCHANGE TODAY WAS $6.21. IT WAS LOWER IN AUGUST WHEN WE SIGNED THIS CONTRACT. HOW IS IT NOW $51 FOR THE LOW VOLTAGE CONDUCTOR? And the high voltage conductor has only changed a little bit. It's still copper. You have to go back and look at the base indexes for copper. That's how the world works. So I don't understand their pricing. And when you look at it, they're asking for us to authorize $183,000 more in cost. And it's mainly driven by that huge jump in the low voltage conductor. It can't be correct, or at least I want to understand, if magnatech is coming in with a a change order for this magnitude of cost increase i want to see every little detail because i do this every day in my day job and 51 a pound for copper doesn't matter if it's the low voltage or high voltage conductor you're still basing those exchanges on a mathematical formula that takes weight the weight hasn't changed So it's changed just a tiny bit. So I'm very concerned about this cost increase. I know we need to get this done, but I don't feel I'm questioning the validity of the numbers. So if you have any additional information, I'd love to hear it.

I JUST WANTED TO STATE, SO WE'RE ON RECESS FOR TWO WEEKS, SO WE EASILY CAN GET YOU A LETTER FROM MAGNETETIC EXPLAINING ALL THAT. AND THEN ONE LAST THING, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS IS ALSO AN INSURED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T LOOK INTO IT. but the city will not be paying for this in the sense it'll be a pass-through. And if you want to add anything else, I just want to make sure everybody knew that because we didn't really tee it up here.

I had some of those same questions regarding the increases in the costs. When they initially had give us the quotes for the repair, they were using domestic manufacturers, which would, you know, it's here in the States, and they would have made that copper. Mm-hmm. They're getting the wire actually delivered to them. They're not actually forming the poundage of copper into wire at Magnetec. It comes as a finished product.

So it's processed then?

Right. So I think that the wire, is it coming from? I had it in here.

It says the low voltage was coming from CTC cable manufactured in Canada.

Right. So once again, I had some of those same concerns. This is what the company is charging them. Then they've got the tariff costs on it. They've got the shipping costs. There's other costs added into this. But once again, I still had those same concerns. And we had that same problem with the insulation that they were, once again, going through a domestic company. By the time they got around to ordering the materials, they weren't accepting any more orders for this year.

And I see they've broken the insulation package out where they're saying, here's the estimated tariffs. Here's the estimated freight. I understand all that. I'd like to see that for the low voltage conductor. IF IT'S COMING IN FROM CANADA, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT EXEMPT FROM 232 TARIFFS OR LOOKING AT 25% IMPORT TARIFF OR 50% IMPORT TARIFF ON THE 232s. I WANT TO SEE ALL THAT DETAIL SO THE MATH WORKS OUT BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A LARGE INCREASE. MR. SHERIDAN, I APPRECIATE IF THIS IS AN INSURANCE ISSUE BUT I I think regardless, if it's not coming out of the city, we still want to make sure that this is correct. I don't know what that would do to our insurance if we have larger claims than we would need.

And I stated that. I just want to make sure everybody's clear. I wasn't saying that we're just passing. I just wanted everyone to know that this is an insurance claim. That's all.

I understand. I appreciate that. So, Jeff, thank you for your comments. And, Kevin, the break is a nice opportunity to, you know, you have really two weeks to get us information about these numbers and validate them.

I'll get all that breakdown of the reasoning behind it and get that to you guys. All right.

Thank you. Thank you much. I knew that you were probably thinking and hoping, looking at the same thing, but I figured we'd have the discussion tonight. And then even though I said it in my comments about the recess and the break, you're right. We have time to make sure we got this correct. Thank you.

All right, G is TMP-8727, resolution authorizing city manager enter into a contract with Summit County Public Health for NPDES permitted outfall inspection, monitoring, and sampling services.

So this is for our annual permit. This is our outfalls. This checks all the various outfalls in town. There's 150 of them approximately. Summit County Health comes in and does all the inspections. They do the testing, the enforcement, and so on. This is a renewal of a previous contract. Previously, we had a five-year contract with them. This is renewing that to move forward until 2030.

I'M SORRY, FOR THE PEOPLE AT HOME, COULD YOU DEFINE WHAT AN OUTFALL IS?

THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST ESSENTIALLY ANY OUTFALL FROM WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS STREAM, THEY'RE CHECKING VARIOUS DIFFERENT OUTFALLS IN TOWN. IT'S WATERWAYS ESSENTIALLY.

THEY HAVE TO DO LIKE A RANDOM SAMPLE?

They will do sampling. They will do inspections to make sure they're functioning properly. They're doing sampling. And then if there are problems.

So this is a, real quick, Dr. Byrne, this is a check for pollutants.

For questions. All right. H, next is H, TMP-8729, resolution declaring a six-month stay on the filing, consideration, review, and or approval of all new applications for data centers and related activities in the city of Hudson and declaring an emergency.

We put this on. We just wanted to see if council was interested in us doing what was actually started out as a moratorium. As you know, I think legal counsel sent an email yesterday regarding the difference between a stay and a moratorium. Just so we can do some research on these and determine if we want to create anything in our code, put it through the planning commission, obviously bring it back to counsel, but that's mainly it. The purpose of this was just to set aside some time to do some research. We haven't had anybody come and ask for a moratorium. And then, Kevin, I think you should just add the part about when it kicks into First Energy with the amount of wattage that they're asking for.

So I think one of the things we'd want to look at is defining what a data center is. Because when you look at just a general term of a data center, it's some place that has networking and computer type of equipment in it. which could be anything, that could be an engineering firm, that could be an advertising firm, that could be a big box data center. So you want to look at what do we mean by data center, kind of maybe break it into some categories or give us some levels of what data centers we would be, you know, we'd like versus what we would not like. As far as Mr. Sheridan was saying with power levels, although we have our own public power entity, we still get our power delivered to us through First Energy lines. And any time we adjust our load, you know, two megawatts plus or minus, we've got to go through a load study. Actually, today at our First Energy meeting, the mayor's meeting for First Energy was talking about their charges that they would implement towards that company. they need to make on their system. They're doing one specifically for data centers. We would want to look at something similar to that because just going back to the transformer we just spoke of, depending on the size of data center that may want to come here, you know, we may have to buy a big transformer and some other infrastructure along with doing a load study and making sure we can handle that. Okay.

AMANDA?

SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND THEN WOULD WE, WITH THE PROCESS GO, WOULD WE GIVE THIS TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEND IT TO THEM OF WE WANT YOU TO REVIEW THE CODE, WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT DATA CENTERS, HOW DOES IT DEFINE A DATA CENTER, DOES IT DEFINE IT BASED ON SIZE, SO WOULD WE ESSENTIALLY TASK THEM WITH THAT?

THAT WAS THE PLAN. WE WOULD DO ALL THE RESEARCH AND BRING SOMETHING TO THEM.

I got another one, sorry. In the research, in addition to the load that they would require, would we also include the potential impact on price for residents?

That's something we would have to, so yeah, we would maybe have a tariff of our own to help offset any infrastructure improvements we would need to support their business.

Okay, all right. Thank you very much, Kevin. And then, and that, for that transformer email, if you could include a little bit on Ohm's law, you know, just a few sentences so we can, you know.

V equals IR.

We can understand, we can understand the answer being what is going on.

And what? Wattage, the wattage law is the voltage times the amperage equals the wattage. All that stuff.

Great stuff for Jeopardy.

All right. Five is proposed legislation for July 14th, 2026 council meeting. A 26-96 is a resolution authorizing a city manager to enter into a lease agreement with North Star Towers 2 LLC. This is scheduled for a third reading on July 14th. Quick question on that.

Mr. Sheridan, I believe you said this before. I just wanted to remind myself because some residents in my area have been talking about dead zones. This is not going to start out with any residential carrier, correct? Or is that?

Residential carrier.

is verizon going to be able to use this and and top in i thought this was something maybe i'm getting this confused with something else okay so then the commercial carriers will be able to use this so it should improve residential cell service mobile phones yeah personal mobile phone all right yes good i didn't want to go back to my neighborhood without having that detail because again i thought there was something that we were starting off with just GOVERNMENTS OR INDUSTRIES.

OH, LIKE A CLOSED TYPE OF SELL TOWER. YES. OH, NO. THIS IS TO HELP SERVICE IN THAT AREA. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY IF WE DIDN'T. I THOUGHT WE RELAYED THAT.

I THINK YOU DID. I JUST MAYBE STARTED CONFLATING THINGS IN MY HEAD WITH SOME OTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION. SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IT BEFORE WE HAD THE THIRD READING.

JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY OTHER THAN WE'RE LETTING THEM USE A PIECE OF THE LAND THAT WE REALLY HAVE NO OTHER USE FOR.

Okay, any other questions about that? Next 5B, 26-99, ordinance authorizing all actions necessary to affect the governmental natural gas aggregation program with opt-out provisions pursuant to section 4929.26 of the Ohio Revised Code and directing the Summit County Board of Elections to submit a ballot question to the electors and declaring an emergency. THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR A SECOND READING ON JULY 14th. SO WHAT I WAS THINKING WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THIS IS MAYBE A ONE PAGER THAT DESCRIBES THE HOW SOMEONE OPTS OUT MAYBE A DIFFERENT COUPLE SCENARIOS LIKE I ASSISTANTLY USE APPLES AND APPLES AND I RENEW IT EVERY SINGLE TIME. I'M NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS. I have a contract that expires, then what happens? Some of those sort of things.

And I don't... You like to be frequently asked questions? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Sure. That'd be helpful. Thank you. Yeah, that's an easier way to say it. Thanks.

I just think there's a lot of scenarios, as you know. Yes. And, for example, I'm like you. I'm going to want to know, do I have to still opt out if I already did apples to apples? You know, that's a good question. Yeah.

And then secondly, I... IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN THE CITY DO, THIS IS A BALLOT INITIATIVE, OKAY? FACTUAL INFORMATION, PROBABLY NOT SHOULDN'T BE DOING LIKE VOTE FOR THIS KIND OF THING, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION, CORRECT?

I'LL THROW THAT BY THE SOLICITOR TO BE SURE BUT I WOULD THINK YOU CAN. You know, educating is you're just giving out information that's factual. But again, if you would like, I'll have the solicitor just answer that question.

Yeah, if you could just say, you know, what can the city do? Can't the city do it? What should we do as council members? We don't want to do anything incorrect. Any other comments or questions? THAT'S IT FOR THE LEGISLATION THAT'S IT FOR THE LEGISLATION FOR JULY 14th. FOR JULY 14th. ITEMS TO BE ADDED TO FUTURE ITEMS TO BE ADDED TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE HONORARY RESOLUTION FOR WE HAVE HONORARY RESOLUTION FOR THE RETIREMENT OF ERIC THE RETIREMENT OF ERIC HUTCHINSON WHO HAS BEEN WITH THE HUTCHINSON WHO HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR YEARS AND YEARS IN THE CITY FOR YEARS AND YEARS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND Getting we got I'm gonna miss the emails at 3 a.m. Telling us that there's gonna get them. Oh, yeah Okay, well miss them from Eric.

Yeah All right Amanda wait just to clarify can we add on the July 14th meeting a space for Chair Norman to come brief the council about concerns about plan developments and Then also can we provide an update about retirement and EMS at the same time?

good i'd like to bring up are research we've done with life force which is one part of the ms and you know where that money is gone and i did an audit over the last month with them and then you know number two is i want to also update everyone on how that third ambulance going out and how supplement that since dr carter gave us that ability now um... assisted living would be also the other piece of that, so.

So that would be on the workshop part of the 14th. Is that the Delta?

Yeah, it would be a discussion item. So I would just call it general EMS and we'll hit all those subject matters and we'll also add, you know, the chair from the PC will be there.

Okay, anything else for subsequent agendas or discussions?

I had is when would council like to talk about the carryover from 2025? Second workshop in July, which they want to wait too long into August. Jeff will be here. So the finance director can answer any questions you have.

I think if we can get some of the information ahead of time to review.

I'm putting together with staff just, you know, the list kind of a priority of, you know, what, like, for example, if something came up as a safety issue that we didn't have budgeted that we didn't know about and it's a, you know, it's a cost and we really should do something about that this year, that's a priority, you know, and then. always hesitate um you know we do a five-year budget i think council has done a fantastic job over all the years with that with operating and capital um just always keep in mind i know during the course of the year we get people asking for things um but that's the reason we do a budget and you know if we can move things up that's great you know but we always should look at the projects that are maybe in 27 that we want to move up so That's kind of how we're going to come at this in a sense from our side of the list of different recommendations that we have. And then I am also the cost and on the notes for Clinton Crossing. See if we want to, you know, put anything toward that. So just kind of giving you guys a summary of what staff is looking at. I've asked all of our directors to give me their anything that wasn't planned that we need to get done this year. Obviously, you know, we want to make sure you all know about that. And then, you know, we'll give you all the rest of the stuff from the Middleton Park, you know, meetings that we've had with the residents. And there are some things I think we can phase in there very easily. IN THIS YEAR AND PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET FOR FUTURE YEARS.

A NICE DEFINITION OF WHAT'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT ISN'T BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXPECTATION, ONE OF THE PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED IN THE LAST YEAR WAS AROUND WE SHOULD CONSIDER SPENDING AT LEAST 50% OF THE CARRY OVER ON INFRASTRUCTURE. It's not a hard, hard, but we should have that dialogue and consider spending that much.

Like that on the 14th? Or do you want to wait until the second workshop?

I'm always the sooner the better.

It's already going to be a long night.

Sure. Okay. Thank you.

All right. If there's nothing else, I would like a motion to adjourn.

Second.

Aye. Aye. Turned at 2013.

Almost beat our record.