Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Does anybody being we have two introductions. Uh Rich Reinia from Reinia engineering design. We had his colleague last meeting Tom Harvey.

Yes. And they will be uh working with us as our consultants. Welcome. And uh I'm especially excited to introduce our seventh and final appointment to the board, Dr. Sarah Blad. There you are over there. Welcome. Uh we're excited to have you on board. introduce yourself for us.

Sure. Um, I'm I'm Sarah Black. I've lived in Hudson's off and on since 2012. In the off times, I was mostly doing uh academic work at the University of Georgia from South Birmingham and moved from Athens, Georgia to Hudson to be involved in food and agriculture. And I've done that. I've worked at a number of um oh Hudson institutions like Bonilio and Talbet Narding and uh I guess they're Hudson institutions now little Dev's Oasis um done a lot of cooking and shleing but I've also had a foot ever since I was involved in some qualitative and quantitative research work for the 2019 anti-displacement learning network grant project that has went through. I I contributed some research to that. um and then administered that grant and then sort of got into the HDPA was the um was the it capacity that held that work and and so just through as it as so happens in a small town you get familiar you learn a system and then you're needed and um so I administered the grant for HBPA and then and then administered HBPA by virtue of some work there involving the the housing authority project that's upcoming I I was then asked to serve on the housing authority commission um until uh Mayor Harris uh asked me to serve on the planning board. Um yeah, so I'm a tenacious nerd and I'm really excited to do my homework with all of you and um in a yeah neighborly diligent uh professional um yeah

well you're among good company because several of us are tenacious parents. Yeah, I think that's probably what makes it. So, welcome. And with that, we'll call the meeting to order. Linda, would you call the role? Miss Confer here. Chairman here. Mr. M. Black here. Mr. Spear here. Mr. Michael is here. And Mr. Shy.

Oh, I'm sorry. We got musical chairs. uh could be taken off guard. Um this is going to be an interesting meeting. We have two public hearings scheduled for tonight. Um and just a couple of house rules on public hearings. Um the tradition has been to limit comments to three minutes. That's not to limit public comments, but it's to provide a equity that not anyone gets more time than anyone else. And b to make sure that anyone who wants to speak has the opportunity to speak. And then finally, if you have more that you would like to say that can't fit into your three minutes, at the end of public comments, we'll give you one more shot uh at uh at the opportunity. Um public hearing is part of our legal process. The planning board is a quasi legal board. And so the work that we do which happens only in this meetings becomes a public record uh that will support and defend any decisions that we will be making as we deal with the applications. And so what what the public hearing does is adds the public's voice to that legal document. And that's an important part to of how we recognize the importance of lived experience and the point of view of of others within our community. Um so with that we have uh as I said two um two public hearings. We'd ask anyone who speaks to introduce yourself and your place of residence. The first public hearing is for 405 Columbia Street. So we need a motion from the board and a second to open that public hearing.

Jean moves second. Second Sarah. Um, so now I will call for public comments on 405 Columbia Street. Any public comments 405 Columbia Street? Being none, uh, then do we need action going to close the public hearing? Yeah, as long as it's been open for at least one minute, I think it has. Let's say it's been open for 90 seconds. So a motion to adjourn the public hearing is ordered. that just procedurally don't close the public. What did I say? Sorry.

Was it going to close and close the motion to close the public? Thank you. Second motion. Second. Okay. Uh all in favor? I opposed. Okay. We have our second public hearing. This was on 14-16 North Fourth Street. A motion to open the public hearing is in order. I'll make that motion. Sorry. Moved. Second. Second.

Um, so call for public comments on 14-16 North Fourth Street. Call for public comments. Call for public comments. Being none. And that didn't last 60 seconds. We'll simply set that aside and move on with the agenda. I think we can close the public hearing. All right. Uh I'll make a motion to close. No, we need 10 more seconds before we move to close public hearing. Is there a second? Anyone in favor?

I opposed. Okay. So for for these two projects we now have 60 days uh in which we need to make a decision but we can make a decision tonight if the projects are deemed to be uh complete. Um so start with you Andrew is let's let's start with 405 Columbia Street. Do you know of any outstanding issues or concerns that would prevent the board from taking action on that tonight?

No. going over my notes. I think all the board's questions were satisfactorily answered, but if the court has anything to ask of the applicant, it would be appropriate to do so. I don't have any outstanding items. Ask our engineer any issues or items that you we have no further comments. We uh nothing to begin with. It's an interior renovation.

Um is the applicant here? Do you have uh any comments you'd like to make to the board before we speak? All right, board members, any outstanding concerns or comments that you would make? All right, hearing none, I think that an affirmative vote is in order. So, a motion to approve this application is uh requested

and I might recommend that it be on the condition of payment of all escrow and fees presum we'll amend the motion to add uh fees and escrow issues. Is there a motion to approve this application? Gan moves to approve. Is there a second? Nathan seconds. Let's do a roll call vote, please. Jim Ble, yes. Miss Black, yes. Miss Conquer, yes. Mr. Michael, yes. Mr. Woodall, Mr. Spear, yes. Mr. Schvsky, yes.

Um, appears that passed unanimously. Congratulations. 405 Columbia Street. Um let's go through the same routine on 1416 North Fourth Street. Uh any outstanding issues other than the ASH fees that you comment on? No, that covers it on my end. Thank you. Any comment? No outstanding items for us.

Any comments from the applicant? Additional information. Board members, any concerns or issues you'd like to raise on this before taking action? Hearing none, a motion to approve this application uh with the caveat that uh condition on making sure fees and escrow are also. Is there a motion that uh Jean will make? Yes. I will um Jeremy Bogle. Yes. Miss Co. Miss Black. Yes. Mr. Michael. Yes. Mr. Spear. Yes. Mr. Schky. And Mr. Yes, congratulations.

And that concludes the phase of our agenda that's dealing with public hearings. And now we move into regular business. Um, thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Uh right now at the end um Walter Walter. Do you want to go flag? Do we adjourn to do that or do we just keep the meeting going? Just keep All right. We're going to pause. not a journ but we're going to pause so that we can get their site pan stamped and signed.

I'm sorry we changed our mind. We need to stamp your site. Would it be possible to set up time later this week? Yes. Who should I reach out to? We'll just send it up. We can meet here or some place else. Both both. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, the staff is here, so we probably ought to meet. All right. Then you can leave now. Thank you. Nice seeing you. Good to see you guys. Uh regular meeting. Um Linda, do we have bills to pay? Yes, we do.

Um, from Bartonis and it was $5,000. And these bills have been reviewed and approved by myself and uh uh so a motion from the floor. Well, first, are there any questions or concerns about this? $5,18 from our former engineer. Questions? Motion to approve. James Nathan. Uh, let's do a roll call on this, please. Yes. M. Black. Hi. M. Conquer. Yes. Mr. Michael.

Yes. Mr. Schedy. Yes. Mr. Spear. Yes. And Mr. Wood. Yes. Okay. The bills will be paid. Next item is the approval of minutes as distributed from our March 10th meeting. First, I would ask, are there any edits or corrections that need to be made to those minutes? A motion to approve is in order. Make a motion. Okay. Second. Kind of changing it up here a little bit. Peter seconds. Okay. Um, roll call. Chairman Hall. Yes. M. Black. Hi. M. Cochro. Yes. Mr. Spear. Yes. Mr. Shedky. Yes. Mr. Wood Hall. Yes.

Mr. Michael. Yes.

U. The minutes are approved as distributed. Uh on your desk in front of you, you have a printed copy of the proposed escrow fund agreement that was originally circulated last month, recirculated this month for review. Um this is a way to formalize uh and make more explicit to applicants what the requirements are regarding escrow. It also is a if you'll notice on page two, it it is a where is it? It's a signed document as well. I don't see a place for the signatures though. There it is on the back. So, this is the first time that we've actually created a a an explicit agreement in writing with applicants regarding escrow and um escrow and fees, especially the escrow. The is the schedule in this Linda?

There's one paragraph. It was kept. You said this is the first time we've ever had a written agreement around. I you know this is my fourth meeting so I don't have a lot of history but I don't think that we've had anything is as explicit as this. Um and Linda it's seven. Okay. Um of special interest is paragraph 7. Uh it stipulates the amount of the escros based on the size of the project.

It's just very simple. Um when ESCO falls to 25% of the total, the applicant is sent notice to replenish to the original amount.

Okay. comment um which is that I think it'd be good if you I don't think it has to be in this agreement but some sort of cover letter or something because I think we have some applicants who are get documents like this and it's a lot to process especially some of the smaller um business projects in town and so I think just some sort of here's this process in much simpler language for someone or some I don't think it has to be part of the this actual but and Well, they won't change the contents at all, but I just have Alex. Would you be willing to volunteer to work up a draft? I can try. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I I do worry about this from a legal perspective though.

Yes. Yeah. Cuz it's like it creates this like weird thing where it's like where does that become if I if it's less less explicit than this very detailed? Well, it depends what you're talking about. call a letter to the escro policy maybe an explanatory letter. Is that accurate? We already have the the code section and this is just expanding upon the code section to be clear what's required everyone

but I was I did look at some of the applicant facing stuff and I feel like it's sort of overwhelming what I'm trying I'm just trying to make sure there are good process for people that it's easy and clear for people. I I think I would I would reflect that same concern about how how we're understood by applicants of the public in in the nature of what we do and what guides our decisions and and so that lack of clear understanding and alignment sometimes creates experiences that feel a conflict but they're really not conflict. They're really just you a lack of alignment. And so anything that we can do that our lawyer approves um that we can put in writing to help folks understand what guides us for example the comprehensive plan um which you are the representative of the planning board in creating is our north star. It is every project that we do is measured against the comprehensive plan and if a client if an applicant doesn't know that they wouldn't know to go to the comprehensive plan and understand that that's part of what's guiding and then the zoning laws also we we really don't have a lot of latitude. The state has created a very strict um process for us to follow and and there there's not a lot of margin in terms of our ability to stray outside of that process. So again, anything that we can do to create a a more user friendly uh planning board, I think that would be that would be great. Any other comments about this particular aspect? Jean,

is there a paragraph or something that shows the amount of ESTO for a different project? Seven. That doesn't say the amount though. It's when it falls to 25% of the total amount, they're sent notice to replenish to the original amount. Yes, that's replenishment. What about the original? What's the original? Yeah. Well, that's established by the board. We actually haven't. That's a different resolution. I thought we did establish announce previous I think that's a I know we did establish. I think that was a separate document. We're not explicitly part of that. We have our fee schedule setting for that.

We have fees. We have we have fees but we don't have we had we passed the resolution last year of certain amounts for sides of the project. Yeah.

That's a minute someplace. So maybe I propose that we act on this tonight and then on our next meeting bring what that proposed schedule is and we can vote on that as well. So at this point you're voting just on the policy but not the actual amounts of escros. Is that a motion that that would be available for action? Move approval on the escrow policy. I have a second. Um I think we better do roll call on this one. Yes, Miss Black. I confer. Yes. Yes. Mr. Spear. Yes. Mr. Wall. Yes.

And Miss Jerich Michael. Yes.

Okay. So, it passes. Congratulations. Thank Thanks, Linda and Andrew for doing the work on this. We also coordinated closely with the city, the treasurer, the the uh city clerk who also are involved in in the financial side of our business. So it was a good effort the cooperation between the city and the planning board. Uh finally under regular meeting business um we have two liaison relationships with um CIC and HBC. Any any activities to report since your last meeting? I did go to the CC meeting and we did have a discussion um about process um and I think the process we sort of informally set along is that we will or I will I guess as the rea um send them a note if there's any project that deals has environmental component they will um during public comment submit that public comment and that would be their proposed interaction with us.

Okay. So just to sorry just to clarify that won't be a formal okay it'll be part of the public comment process their understanding is they do not have the legal ability to make a formal right we can't just refer matters to them but they they can provide we will invite comment from the public and from understood thank you

um okay we move into old business our first project is GG's wine bar 76 North 7th street uh in the uh planning board portal we see that a review from the county was posted which was a next step um for us. Uh I guess first I would just ask is there are there any lingering issues from a liquor point of view that would prevent us from taking action on this? Not necessarily. We just want to address the county's comments with the applicant here. make sure they're willing to address those in their potential site plan approvals.

Yeah, absolutely. So, I took a review of it earlier today. I believe the comments were related to proper um licensing with DO um licensing with the liquor authority and was there one more. I believe it was a sign. Um so, naturally, we're applying requirements. We can share that with the board once that's all in hand. Um and uh with regards to the sign, we can certainly share another submission or an update um regarding those. Um I I mentioned as soon as possible, I can reach out to the engineers and such. Do we want to make a conditional?

If the board was to proceed to act on this, I would recommend we include that as a condition of approval in tandem with the payment of fees as

Okay. So, uh that uh I think we're ready to take a vote if the board is is interested in approving uh this application with the provisions that Andrew mentioned. Is there a motion in support of the sorry which which project any discussion from the board before we take the motion? Can I just ask it's specifically just the the what we're approving is the change of the uh from to an eating and drinking establishment that we're about

just for more detail uh since you're first meeting here. Um it's a depot district within the building. So it's currently vacant space. It's like for retail that you Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It was initially approved for retail. Building inspector wanted to get the specific Good motion to approve with the contingencies that uh Andrew outlined. Jean second. Second. All right. Uh let's do a roll call, please. Yes. M Conquer. Yes. Miss Black. Yes. Mr. Michael. Yes. Mr. Woodhole. Yes. Mr. Spear. Yes. Mr. Shinsky.

Yes. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Do you have your site plan? I do not.

Our next uh whole business is 360 State Street. I believe Richard. Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh so this is the adaptive reuse project and we took a a general look at everything um what had been done before and then what and trying to jump into to the middle of this here. Um so we at the front of our letter we took a general look and outlined what had been done previously. Uh and then we jumped into some specific uh site plan comments. Uh one of the bigger things that we're looking for is to see a lighting plan, an actual foot candle plan. I think the board would be interested with the the glare might be on that. Um also a limit of disturbance to show that on the plan. Um and that would be the erosion control sheet. Um and then also to see parking calculations just to ensure that there is sufficient that the math works out that meet the code uh for parking. Um and then for the water and sewer capacity, we take no issue with the uh with the calculations. Um, but it does show that there's going to be an increase. Uh, so you'll need to uh to go for the extension on that because you're over 2500 gallons a day increase. Uh, so that's pretty much the the our general comments.

Any comments you'd like to make?

Uh, yes, please. If I can just address very quickly, um, we received the zone change was filed with Department of State. Um, so that is on the books. Um the shipo uh the is working directly with shipo on the improvements to the interior building. Um so we'll follow up with that sewer acknowledged approvals that we need. Uh for the site plans you had four comments. One was any existing easements which we've already done shown on the survey. The site lighting I wanted to ask about because we aren't actually proposing any new site lighting. We're just going to reuse the existing. There are several building mounted lights and two pole mounted lights in the parking lot. something requires and then living disturbance we've got just over half an acre but we can add that to the plan certainly u and the parking counts uh there are 76 bases in 65 minutes so it's over one per

yeah you can add that it's on the sheet there it's very the requirement set a Any questions? Question. We possibly be referred to the county. I know we have to get a referral. Is this a good time for that? We can refer this. So suggesting that we take action to

and see how the land mass itself is. I mean, we got pictures and stuff, but sometimes that doesn't cut it. So, you're you're saying we go into mass as a board. Well, we could go in mass or we could go at different times. Sure. With But if you go in mass, we can't speak with him another project, right? Because that would be a public meeting for that. That's what what I was concerned about bringing it up to the board. That's what they want to do. Familiarize themselves

address and any board members to to visit the site and I understand that's a small town so it should be easy to function and um unless you want to organize a tour. Well, it should be with the applicant in case one of us have questions that we could ask him directly and not we can't ask each other but we

not each other but with him. him up or whoever it is I just don't know we've done it in the past on different projects just get a familiarization of the project the content of it I I know the area raised there and so I'm well aware maybe new members out there suggestion I like the suggestion but the question is is about what's the experience for the lighting right I mean it is specific on campus right is to the neighbors of the building, not the residence because that that's what I was thinking of that I'm sure the parking lot illumination for a school is different. It would actually be both. Okay.

Yeah. Because you want to you want to know that there's proper light quality. Like I can give you an example. If it's a a park a pedestrian type parking lot, you don't need a lot of light. But if it's a bank with a drive up ATM, right, then you want to make sure it's well lit for security. So this group can look at that and distinguish. We think that that parking lot is way too bright, right? um you know because it doesn't need to be lit up that bright and and then also you want to look at how it affects the neighbors as well too.

So I could make a suggestion that after we endure tonight we stay back for a few minutes and look at our calendars and see if there's a time we go and then maybe Linda you could reach out to the applicant and see if you have something scheduled and I'll be happy to help with that as well. So with no objection we'll plan on wrapping this up by calendaring after the meeting. So don't run out and let's just see if there's some dates that work for us. I kind of think it might be better if we did it in small groups so that we're not potentially having the appearance of violating a two or three. You can't can't do four. We can do four is a so you can do you can't you can't do seven members but you can't discuss it.

You'd have to notice it if there's a quorum there. Yeah, but but smaller groups fine individually it's you want to meet with the applicant you can meet with the applicant or you go down yourself day or night if it's late is an issue or of course you want to go down there at night so so I hear the following let's not make it a quorum I want to avoid any appearance of propriety but um Peter's going to check out make sure the lights are turned on

sure it's on my and we're going to stay we're going to stay after and look at our calendars if if you're interested in visiting the site. If you're not, you don't need to stay. Is there any further discussion on this project? We're moving on now to the last bit of public business, whole business, I should say. Um before I invite comments from the applicant, I'd just like to say that this is an important project um not only to the parties that are involved, but future generations of Hudson residents. And so we exercise our obligations with great concern and care uh on the planning board. And I found the last meeting to be unsatisfying for a variety of reasons. I didn't feel that we accomplished either side accomplished what we would have liked to have accomplished. And so I reached out to the executive director of the Hudson Housing Authority and asked for a meeting with Jet. Um, I felt like we needed to get our expectations a little bit more closely aligned and and my hope was that it was just kind of a communications issue and I believe it it was. So, we had a constructive meeting uh talked about the process going forward. Uh, I identified for Jeff that there are still four remaining steps uh in this process. One of which we will initiate tonight and that's the u um seeker process. Um once we've satisfied the secret process in the May meeting, we will um have two elements uh in the agenda. One will be a comprehensive design review and then the second will be the engineering letter review that was submitted to our portal today from the applicant. Um so everything is in order and ready for that particular step. Following that will be the public hearing and then finally board action. Um how long that takes is a little uncertain because we have to successful

successfully complete each step. But um given what I saw in the last week between the HHA engineers and our engineers, there was a lot of really good problem solving going on between those two groups. Uh last Thursday or Friday, we discovered some incomplete, is that a fair way of putting it? Incompleteness in the record? Uh yes, I'm at EA. That would have prevented us from do starting the secret tonight. Uh but our engineers were in immediate contact with HHA engineers. They work between Thursday and Monday to get those issues corrected. Uh so that we can now move forward with the secret. That I believe happens because people are communicating, people are reaching out and they're problem solving. And I really appreciate the attitude on both sides because that would have cost us another month of time had we not discovered that and had we not been able to resolve it so quickly. And in the board, I made an exception because usually we say you have to have materials two weeks before a board meeting, but this was a discovery that was made late in the game. Uh, and it was addressed in a professional and immediate way and it's allowing us to continue to carry on our work. Another thing that Jeff and I talked about was the fact that um HHA's architect is uh is unclear about what we're looking for in terms of information to make a determination about the project. So, in our conversation, Jeff and I, we determined that maybe the best next step would be for us to put our questions in writing and submit those to the applicant so that they would have time a month to really thoughtfully go through those questions, then come to us with a more comprehensive presentation rather than us uh peppering them with questions. And talking about design is difficult because as lay people we often

don't have the right words or the right way of describing what we are trying to communicate and architects have a whole different language that we don't have that we don't use just as engineers do oh and lawyers. Um, so, so what I put before you all last Thursday was a set of questions in your email and I asked if anyone had any additional comments to uh or had content or questions you wanted to add to please let me know. I had two board members contact me with additional content that they were interested in asking about. So, I brought you I sent this afternoon the updated questions to you in your email and then I have a copy of that on the desk in front of you. Now, I'm asking that you approve u sending these questions to the applicant. Um, but it's not cast in bronze. I'm sure that it will evolve and be refined a little bit over the next few weeks as the architect looks at the questions and may want to seek additional information or may want to see if you can amend our questions in one way or another. So I guess I'm asking today for the board to approve on behalf of the board approve the distribution of these questions to the applicant. Um first I'll just open it up if there are any questions or discussion. Just so you know, uh, our attorney has reviewed the questions. They're all comfortably within the range of questions that that we're authorized to ask and topics that we are with are within the scope of our of our assigned um, objectives. Any questions or discussion about? Is there a motion to approve the

Yes, sir. Is it uh I'm curious about the comprehensive plan alignment which is a new member. Do we normally ask advocates about their relationship to the comprehensive plan or or to I think I'm like the three most important ways I might even just ask to identify the most important ways or the ways as a that makes me think about it being a teacher. I don't know and I feel um I'm just curious about that that standard. Is that normally how you do?

No, I'm don't I mean this is my fourth meeting. This is the third meeting with HHA. So there are others that have more history in London and Eugene and and others. Um, but if if you're proposing we strike that language, I think that just if you make the motion with the provision that those words restrictive, then the board can and opine your question. It's not a very important point, but I if I were writing this, I might just say please identify the ways in which the proposed I don't know that I would say three most important way.

I will take that as a friendly amendment. Sure. Yeah. Um, having said that, is there a motion to approve the sending of these? Yes, I have a question. Okay. Over the weekend, I learned some information from the fire department. Did you all meet with the fire department as to uh their capability of entering the property and exiting the property? Should an alarm be active there? And we had several conversations with former code and parking officer Greg Haye who you know is right

also experienced fire and so he was carefully reviewing those plans and making sure that all of the actual equipment that Hudson has can get in to access everything. But yes, we had those meetings for them. Who's saying that? You you had meeting with the current fire chiefs. The police and fire department. Yes, we have the meeting with all them. The fire department had problem with access to the property property. No, they let us know the access that they needed. Okay. And um we agreed to and you agreed to

Okay. All right. Hey, let's return to the topic. Um, is are we ready for a motion to approve the architect questions? Peter, yes. Okay, Jean seconds. Uh, roll call, please. Yes. Miss Black, yes. Miss, yes. Michael, yes. Mr. Wood, yes. Mr. Schedy, yes. Mr. Spear,

yes. So I before we start our secret process, I'd like to invite Jeffrey to and your colleagues to make comments. Sure. Thank you everybody. Uh thank you Lon for having us back and um I just want to say I just want to thank you for your leadership uh identifying the bottlenecks in this process and trying to make sure that we are cooperative and cooperating and communicating and just making a fair process. That's all we're asking for. Um it is, as you know, and I'll say it over and over again, a very a very important project near and dear to many of us in this city. Um it is it is important that we that we make it through the hurdles. And so I just appreciate, you know, you helping to to make those efforts clear what we have to do so that we can have a fair shot.

Thank you for your leadership. No problem.

Good evening. My name is John first. I'm a lands counselor for the Hudson Housing Authority. So, thank you. Thank you, chairman, and thank you to your new plan board engineer. Really stepped up the last week or two, uh, trying to catch up with this project that had been kicking around for over a year or so. Um, we appreciate the feedback those those revisions we made to the EF. will hopefully allow the board to start the discussion on secret because we we would like to kind of get that started at least and kind of figure out where you guys stand, what information, additional information you may need uh with respect to our our engineer comments that we have submitted to your engineer on Thursday and were just uploaded on the portal. They were just brief answers. Uh we realize that more details will need to be followed. Uh we are waiting on a couple of things. Um I know one of the things our engineers are looking for are some comments on the drainage. uh when you get a chance, but that'll help us kind of answer some of those outstanding questions. Um so that's that would be great if we can get that and that way we can hopefully provide as much information as we can uh towards the next meeting. Uh but you know, we've made a lot of progress the last couple of weeks. Um we did make some um progress last meeting. I don't think it was a total loss, but I agree we're all a little disappointed. Uh we did make multiple submissions in response to some of your feedback. Um, you know, we got a letter from the architect talking about the renderings, which I know you guys are going to generate some more questions. We got the letter, we obtained a letter from the CEO confirming that the entire main parcel is all zone GC certain section in their code. So, I think that resolved a lot of the original the old engineers comments kind of went away with that letter, but obviously there's still some stuff remaining. uh we received an email from Shipo uh with respect to that there's no impact with historic resources and um you know and the HHA provided its own letter because we knew some of the board members were new to let you kind of know

background about the project how long they've been working on it all the financing that's involved you know we got to coordinate all of this with the state which isn't always easy at times so I want to thank you guys again for hearing us out and you know without further ado, you know, let's let's dive into the secret. Thank you. I didn't mean to imply that the meeting was not a good meeting. It just was not as good as we would all like it to be, right?

And so appreciate that feedback. Um, I guess before I introduce our attorney, we should say we're he's suffering from a bit of a cold and I don't know how that's going to affect his voice as we go through the secret process, but um I'll turn it over to Andrew now to uh lead us through um secret process. Could you tee up an introduction of what what we're about to do?

Sure. That's so I think everyone's generally familiar with the SEC process. I think we've done an unlisted action before. Obviously, this one was specified as a type one action due to its size. This board, it's the lead agency, meaning it will analyze the potential environmental impacts. staff can filled out a revised part one long form part one and the board is supposed to go through part two, part three, and make a determination whether there are any potential significant environmental impacts. This board's determination is based on the information contain contained within the applicants part one submission and seeker is a comprehensive process where you're looking at all the potential impacts from the entire project. I understand applicants only seeking phase one approval right now but we're looking at the potential impacts from both phases of the project meaning one and two. Does anyone have any questions so far? So, has the board had a chance to look over the revised FBA full environmental assessment form submitted by the applicant as we go. So since most of the board has I think it would be appropriate for us to start looking at the part two identification of potential environmental impacts. I'll just read a little bit from this section to frame everyone. Part two is to help the lead agency inventory all potential resources that could be affected by the proposed project or plan. part two before I'm identified as the most relevant questions in part one that provide information needed to answer questions in part two. So this has I

think 17 potential impacts impacts on land geological features etc. We'll go through them. You start out with the initial question. Uh will the proposed action we'll look at part one impact on will the proposed act does the proposed action involve construction on or physical alteration of the land surface of the proposed site. And you can answer yes or no. And then if you answer yes you have to go through and we'll answer subp parts A through H. And in that part, you'll determine whether no or small impact, moderate to large impact. As we might remember, no or small impact, we move on moderate to large impact. That opens it up for more board discussion. Barring any other questions, I think we can get started. So does the board for number one impact on land proposed action may involve construction on or the physical alteration of the land surface on of the proposed site. The options are no or yes and that directs you to go to part one D1 of the EF submitted by the act. It does have a property.

Yeah. Because they're going across the street never so yes. That would be yes. Great. Um I'm particularly interested in the brownfield of the site across the street and like whatever things are disturbance of that land in particular. Yeah. And there's actually a section where they report that that's under H one of the numbers on H10. But there is a specific list and we have that as a question as well. So since we answered yes,

I think if you don't have an objection to somebody's recommendation, then that would count as a as a general agreement. Yeah, I think something like that's a fact. It's a disturbance. Okay. So since we answered yes, we'll go through A through 8. The proposed action may involve construction on land where the depth to water table is less than three feet. And that directs you to E2D.

I think like I see I just see part one. I don't know that part two is uploaded because that's the board contains that document. But it would be good for everybody to have a copy. So if you're on your laptop, you Google quickly long form R2.

Potentially save my voice a little bit. Do we know we know where the death to the water?

So if you look at that question that tells you to look at E2D and that brings you back to the applicant's full EAF form and you scroll down to E2D. starting page. So they're only one, two, one to three feet. One to three feet. So the answer is yes.

So the the question is, is there a potential for no or small impact or moderate to large impact on that? So they're one, two, three, one through three. So they'll be in that zone. So they would be in that zone. So then the question comes if if they are in do you think that they can adequately mitigate that and I would I would recommend to the board that they typical construction dewatering you can adequately mitigate that. um they should give us a proper rate sediment eration control plan. So any dewatering water is not creating sediment anywhere on the site. So would that be yes?

Yeah, if the board feels that way, but it is it would be I would say that that's more of a standard construction practice so it can be mitigated. I'll get there. So then you move on. Proposed action may involve construction on slopes of 15% or greater. That's E2 and they do have checks 15% agree and it's at 4% of the site is what they're sounds like a yes limited it's a very small piece of the site no or small impact small impact

next the proposed action may involve construction on land where bedrock is exposed or generally within 5 ft of existing ground surface That's E2A and they are less than six feet or greater sorry to to bed. And the site isn't known to have exposed bed racks or any unique they're looking for if there's unique formations or you know something that's visual that oh don't take away that beautiful view of that wrap face that we're seeing. No. No. All right.

The proposed action may involve the excavation and removal of more than a thousand tons of natural material D2A. This is for both phases, right? Correct. That and that include the demo of the star. Yes. Because that would be part of phase two. Yeah. D2A. Yeah. I'm just No, it's action.

Will they check now? Yes. But then the boards not. Yeah, that would be the de that wouldn't be the demolition material. It's basically that kind of question is to look at is there going to be material that's actually excavated during construction and then taken taken off site is usually how that's looked at. We're talking not buildings. Yeah. So they will have excavation right thousand tons right is there proposed action include the excavation

what was the question that was the proposed action may involve the excavation removal of more than a thousand tons of natural material so well I'm going to think for those size buildings I would say yes that they're excavating that much but on a project like this If I would think it's more minor as my understanding. So the answer is yes, but little or no. That include the brand deal or whatever remediation was.

Well, that's where I I think for the whole board, we would like a little bit more information on that too as far as what's involved with that and how that's going to play into the site and and what what's included with that. So I think there might be a question when we get into the Yeah, I think because that's kind of impacts on land and impact on groundwater as well too. But that's an area where I think that they need to present more information so you can adequately. So is that clear to the applicant that we're requesting more information about the remediation practice?

Yeah. And I think there's a draft out with DEC right now. Yeah, that was just put up for public comment and I think that public comment window has just recently closed and I don't believe there are any comments. So past another hurdle in the DC. So it may be as simple as sharing that. Yeah. With with the board they can understand what what All right. Next. The proposed action may involve construction that continues for more than one year or multiple phases. We know that it does. Yeah. But I don't know that's necessarily a large moderate to large impact.

I think I I think for the board, think about the neighborhood that it's in and uh the road um segments that are around it and do you think that that's going to have an impact that you want them to that they would have to do something special to mitigate in the neighborhood either with truck traffic or noise that those are the typical kind of concerns to the board. I mean I think there's a concern at least for the current twist business right of this construction site's going to be surrounding them and so during the projects for two years wouldn't any construction project of this scale be considered moderate to large impact on the local environment.

Yeah but we still consider some sort of shielding of it or something. So you could say you could feel that it's not too large. Then you ask the the applicant to say, "Well, how are you going to handle this?" Like, give us some more specific information. How are you going to make it nice for the people that are living there while you build the new building?

What's you on that? I guess I'm asking it seems to me that construction would be would have at least a moderate impact on the local environment current residents and adjacent residents and that it's something that should be addressed. So that's something we want to ask that to provide. How is the phase construction going to impact residents in the surrounding neighborhood? What potential mitigation measures are being put in place and including during the construction period? What was that?

Yeah, we could propose some design changes during construction to mitigate any potential impacts to the neighbors, but I would also assume that a professional construction project would naturally take into consideration these issues. So I think it's it's it's it's a inseparable part of the project that they're going to build something and it's likely because they're a professional contractor they will use the the appropriate measures to protect the surrounding neighborhood. So on one hand the answer is yes but on the other hand it's the nature of of the work. So I wouldn't want to have seeker interpret that as a negative that has to be overcome. It's it's I guess we would want some assurance that the contractor would incorporate protection for the residents and the neighborhood

less dirt getting on to the residents. There's there's standard things that contractors do to mitigate those. Another example you could ask about the fencing or you could your the applicant side could present could tell you we're going to have construction fence. We're going to have screening on it so you don't see and those sorts of things and maybe limited truck traffic not on the weekends if that was a concern. Something like that. Everyone good on that one? What did you moderate? You had to decide moderate. Is that what we're I just want to make I think that's what we're at for now. But we we identified more information needed from the applicants. So we're not ready to say they're going to mitigate it because we're waiting to see how they are.

Yeah. Uh the proposed action may result in increased erosion whether from physical disturbance or vegetation removal. That brings you to D2E. And there that thing is checked. Yes. Where the proposed action will disturb more than one acre and create storm water runoff from new point sources or nonpoint source. Yeah. And I believe that sub here.

Yeah. Well, that's that's what I was going to say. With with that said, then they're required by New York state law to uh complete a SWIP and then get coverage under the New York state storm general stormwater permit. So typically on projects unless there's a special feature that the board knows about that requires something in addition to that that typically covers this that that they're going to do what needs to be done. So just for clarity, what's the status on that permit? That's been the short announcement. Yeah. So, I believe we Yeah, I think that's where you asked for us to comments on this. Waiting on some comments. So, you're just waiting on

the proposed actions in or maybe located within a coastal erosion hazard zone. That brings me to B1. I think that's checked. No. Yeah. which also seems correct. So that's everything on index to land. We've identified some additional information needed from the end. Unless there's any other comments, if you can move on to impact on geological features. Everyone in agreement? Yeah. The proposed action may result in modification or destruction of or inhibit access to any unique or unusual land forms on the site.

Okay. Or answer no. Move none. Impacts to surface water. The proposed action may affect one or more wetlands or other surface water bodies. Example, streams, rivers, ponds, or lakes. Second. It would be possible. In fact, I think at the bottom of the slope below that there's a stream or wet area like at the bottom of this slope behind on the north United States. Yeah, it's basically behind where that strip of stuff on Mil Street. What? Mil Street. The bottom of the hill.

Yeah, Mil Street. Mil Street between Mil Street and State that goes down and there's just a ditch there. There's a ditch which is what? Yeah, that is my only reason. Anything that was the only thing that came close to

I don't know impact on groundwater. The proposed action may result in new or additional use of groundwater may have the potential to introduce contaminants to the groundwater. I would say looking at that there'll be a municipal water connection. Um and then the the storm water pollution prevention plan comes back in could play there as well too because then any of the surface pollutants that's designed to treat treat any of the runoff or anything from vehicles that sort of thing. So that's integral to to that question as well. So I would think that that's a no.

We all right with that? Okay. Okay. Impact on flooding. The proposed action may result in developments on land which are subject to flooding. Not unlikely. Okay. No. Yeah. Moving on. Impacts on air. The proposed action may include state regulated air mission source. So we're entering now.

I just have one question on the ground field. I guess question for you. Is there any potential risk there with like we stir up a bunch of like former uh I don't know boil so bottle tilts of some sort that's something that they would have to control during the process. Um and it seeing that plan would actually let us know what what they did identify that's there that DEEC is looking Yeah.

U in the demolition of Bliss Tower. There are materials in the tower that might fall into this category. Yeah. So like for example asbestous Yeah. So for example on something like that there's state law requirements state health department law requirements where they have to actually do required postings and they have to do air qual quality monitoring. So once again I think that this if it's under these items for this the demolition and cleanup then they have to follow state standards. Okay. But this is like this is about an air emission sources that say we're building a Yeah. This is more factory. Yes. If it's if it's a factory or mission.

Yes. Or was it a some sort of a food processing plant and it's going to fill the neighborhood with the smell of cupcakes or coffee or something like that too, which the board could talk about. That would be wonderful or not wonderful. I like the cupcake. I used to live near a wonderful factory. Yeah. You can smell. It gets annoying after a while. All right, back to business. Okay. Impact on plants and animals. Proposed action may result in loss of flora or fauna. Yeah, there's no endangered species, nothing like that. As far as I'm aware

impact on agricultural resources, the action may have impact agricultural resources. Sure. Impact on aesthetic resources. The land use of the proposed actions obviously different from or in sharp contrast to current land use patterns between the proposed project and scenic or aesthetic resource. What does that improve? It doesn't change. It doesn't obstruct the view of the river or something, right? It's not

and I think and the appro like a really important like phrase there is in shar contrast the use. Yeah. Which is lowering the building. Yeah. Aesthetic resource like a viewed like a viewed. Yeah. So, moving on. As long as we're all good there. impact on historic and archaeological resources. Proposed action may occur in or adjacent to historic or archaeological resource. And I know that you got the ship out letter in this is a no impact letter issue by since last meeting

for the entire project. for the entire project. Yes.

Now we're moving on there. Impact on open space and recreation. Proposed action may result in the loss of recreational opportunities or reduction of an open space resource as adopted as designated and adopted municipal open space. It did have a question which was the only number of spaces and playgrounds and recreation space open space after the project. What's the change like net change in recreation space in the current versus Yeah.

Right. So I'm not sure if we have the I know for phase at the end of phase two there's going to be a large recreation area um in the courtyard and so but yeah I mean this whole thing is by the end of phase but seekers evaluating at the end and so like whatever the change yeah is that the percentage of space that they currently have for recreation amenities as opposed to what they're proposing I can't tell you off the top of my head but we can get you a ballpark mean I mean can you show that it's not decrease

is there a basketball court in the new in the new design? Yeah. I mean it's proposed. It's proposed. Yeah. But you have now is a basketball court. So there's going to be grass and like that have been included in the site plan. I guess my Yeah. I just I just want to make sure there's a playground. Yeah, there's a playground under one on the stage side by the smoke. But there's small playground in comparison to what we're going to create.

Okay. Good impact on critical environment. Sorry, did that answer your question? Yeah, I mean I think it would be great to know like just get final joint but there's not a net increase and I guess it's just the yeah I'm fine with this saying yes or no impact rather we'll get you a ballpark number for next week but I think it's going to be increases currently exist okay uh impact on critical environmental areas proposed action may be located within or adjacent to critical environmental area DA no

impact on transportation the proposed action may result in change to existing transportation system but this This is the thing is that I feel like the applicant has talked in the past about pedestrian lines in State Street, but that's not part of phase one, but might be part of phase two still or

which I think is and so it's the full phase two project or phase one and two we're evaluating. So potentially that so that feels like a uh and the opposite of degradation of pedestrian bicycle accommodation risk increased pedestrian bicycle accommodation is going to happen. I think there's like a in general an open question here around given there's I think ambiguity about what the whether that change is actually in the phase 2 climate. So I would say for purposes of receiver analysis assume that it is okay. So that way we don't have to go back in a minute. Right.

There's going to be the property will have more density in terms of residents. Yeah. And that would suggest more traffic uh pedestrian automobile bicycles. Is that a variable that needs to be projected traffic may increase may exceed capacity of the existing road network which is for sure which may result in construction of the paved parking area require more vehicles? No. Will degrade existing transit access? No. Will degrade existing pedestrian bicycle foundations? No. May alter the present pattern or movement of people or goods? Yes. That would be if people although states that part of state street is pretty

in that. Yeah, there's no driveways street at all. So people would just have to d through street to get down to the area. We're going to put a note in this. Well, based on that discussion, I think I'm going out on a limb here. It sounds appropriate to put yes for the overall question. Then as you just went through the subp parts and identified a no to small and gotten all them. think that would be appropriate except for E, right? I mean, if we're gonna if we're going to assume that there's a pedestrianization of State Street and everybody that used to drive down State Street now has to go to Columbia Street, that's a significant alteration of present pattern of movement when people are here. It could be, but is it

small or moderate or large? I mean, I think like I said, that's not really that's not the truck route. It's not you know, the grocery store isn't on the other side of that. It feels small to me even if that segment if that street would just totally disappear. Yeah, it's pretty minor. I go down that road literally all the time and also agree that it would be a minor horse to jog over to go to to say yes but small to no no or no. So I I have it on yes and then we went through parts A through B and answered no to small.

So we're saying that the pedestrian innovation of State Street is is having no or small impact on the present pattern of people or goods. I don't actually know how what the brain process is if we don't all disagree or we don't we sort of have just general consensus is is it we do what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can vote. Yeah. Yeah. If we're split, put it down to a vote. Yeah. So we know we're actually it's very helpful. So who has a proposed language for us to vote on? Peter, you seem to have articulated a concern.

Oh, no. I I mean, it's just a matter of I mean, I like this innovation, right? But if I were to objectively try to describe whether it was small impact or moderate impact, I would lean to moderate impact because you're saying that vehicles can no longer go down that road. But what is what's the what's the moderate impact? Like do they have to go way out of their way? Like yeah, they're saying that they can they travel that that road every day. I I don't but I I and they're saying that it wouldn't be a large change to not use that portion of state. So I think that's why they're saying that right it's a it's it's like physically a big change not actually they're driving it

right because there's like when I think about when modern is here I think about school buses I think about major commercial centers there's not even a driveway yeah there's no one's driveway there's no local traffic there that would be impacted on the other side although that is my preferred way to get to the waterfront but see left but because it's kind of quiet. So, but I would I would say no to small impact. Yeah. We want to have a consensus around that or vote on it. That's fine. I'm fine with no or small. Okay. Is that Are we in government? Yes. On the

Yes. On the overall and no to small impact on sub questions. Um it I mean I don't know if we get this later but there is a reduction in or parking park it's parking I think it's the only there's not on street parking there anyway. Yeah you know um but we're there's a yeah increasing number of units. Yeah there's a question here on I mean if we're just saying impact on transportation I think there would be a potential impact there. Um I don't I think it is a small impact in my view but

well I see that in section B right pave parking requirement or more vehicles we know that I don't know what our perview is around parking but I know that

the resident to car ratio is lower than the I just have an easy solution here no matter what you answer we've already submitted a traffic impact study on the parking analysis so Yeah, we've already covered it. So, you know, and we're kind of splitting hairs here. So, in an effort to save time, we have we did parking analysis. Um I think we even studied the closure of stage three. I have to double check and there are going to be some tweaks that the um traffic engineer is going to make for the next submission. But regardless of what advancer you've already submitted, um our response to any potential impacts with this traffic.

All right, moving on. And just to close the loop for that on everyone, we consider the project as if State Street was closed down. And then in the event it's not, we've already considered the impact. There would be no need to redo it at that point. Impact on energy. The proposed action may cause an increase in the use of any form of energy. Yes.

So go through. Proposed action will require a newer upgrade to an existing substation D2K. Yeah. They just know. So, I don't think it will require an upgrade because there's an existing building if they're already connected to the is this still here. I'm sorry. I was going to say has anybody for the plans for the new building has anybody reached out to the power company to know

if it was going to need to electric. Okay. Building is low electric right the current energy code for the state as well. What we need there may be an update. So we'll get that submitted to us once it's received by Yes. Yeah. Proposed action will correct require the creation or extension of energy transmission or supply system to serve more than 50 single or two family residences or serve commercial or industrial use. Right.

It's there's no 50 single or two. It's one does it does it is there intention here. Uh yeah I think your assumption until you get the load letter but I think the assumption would be it's not going to require new transmission lines which then creates a new issue to talk about. I think that the loader will say you know basically we can serve you right. Oh, because it's about transmission minus not ah you have one. Oh, okay. I think it's more about transmission and effects of that.

Action may utilize more than two 2,500 millatt hours per year of electricity. Sorry, I think we'd get that with the Yeah. So, this will be forthcoming the letter.

And this one is a tough one as well too. um because they're they're being mandated to go all electric and and do that. This is kind of the transforming landscape of uh trying to get to to more the green energy side of things. Um so it's not necessarily because they asked a question doesn't necessarily mean it's a negative, but it's for the board to to discuss. The action may involve heating and or cooling more than 10,000 square feet 100,000 square feet of building area when complete. Have a square footage of what the total floor area is going to be. Is that answer?

I don't know. It's got to be in here someplace. The three main buildings and then the town is across the street. um all you got to concentrate the entire 300,000 house But it's over the fresh

again we'll get more information on this load letter could that submit on their receipt impact on noise and light proposed action may result in increase in noise odors or outdoor lighting. I think the answer is yes because there's going to be lighting and then that comes down to the lighting plan. Yeah, specifically we're talking about the lighting, right? Not I think it's more and unless the board feels that there might be odor but typically on a residential type of project it's

again you're going to have a denser uh population and so that might reflect be reflected in car noise and but that doesn't seem to be a major section. Yes, but then you know we're small. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it looks like just going through these subp parts. No, exceed noise levels established by local regulation. Probably not. Proposed action may result in blasting. No. Proposed action may result in routine odor for more than one hour. No. May result in light shining onto adjoining properties.

Yes, that one. Right. and proposed action may result in light and breathing sky club brighter than existing area conditions and address street lights impact on human health. Proposed action may have an impact on human health from exposure to new or existing sources of contaminants. This is sort of my potential guess here on both demolition asbestos and whatever the remediation plan is and then brownfield.

So we're going to get that brownfield information from the is there I think you could say yes and then see how they're handling it.

Yeah, that's my thing is to say yes and then see basically on all days how they're handling. Are we okay with that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't think there's any other potential concerns on those. I guess there's wet paint I guess potentially building as well. Those are two. So again, we'll see what that plan to mitigate all those are too. All good. Okay. Consistency of community plans. Proposed actions not consistent with adopted land use plans. I think you said they checked

and they did submit a letter from the code enforcement officer confirming everything's uh compliance and then on the architectural that's one of your questions about how it lines consistency with community care excuse proposed project is inconsistent with the existing community community. Oh, you have to go to the secret hand. There is something in the secret handbook about that. Is it the immediate neighborhood or is it something beyond?

I don't I mean if it's already existing, how could it possibly be consistent? I don't I don't understand. It's the exact same thing just newer and safer. It is larger. There's that. But it's still providing the same thing just uh what's the question again? Is it inconsistency with community character? Whether it is inconsistent the existing in any trying to make it even more consistent with you know not being so tall and no bay windows. So

I think based on what we know right now, we'll know more at the next meeting when we have our design review, but directionally it feels like they are um representing what they believe is is something that's consistent with the neighborhood. Well, if they're comparing it to itself, in which case it's completely in character, right? there's a lot of um that's you know it's appropriate to itself kind of moves towards that exists now. So how could it possibly not be it's been part of this community for 40 years or maybe longer. How could it possibly not be it makes no it does not make sense.

Yeah I'm with you. I think also compared to Skyler Court and and the the town houses and the you know I I don't I don't have an architectural problem with the community character and I think the board will add more information after the architect answers some of the questions we went over in the earlier part of here. Yeah, I think there's legitimate questions about the scale and the degree to which it fits with the scale of the neighborhood that it's in. And that's question number three. Yeah. So that is going to answer those uh materials for us. Yeah.

It's not stored importance. consistent of an urban renewal neighborhood. Absolutely not. It is totally consistent and in improvement on the predominant scale.

I mean, this is where things get complicated because the comprehensive plan requires that we repair the harms of urban renewal and that repairing the harms of urban renewal in the built environment orients the design towards the historic character of the of the neighborhood. Well, I think the board might be in a better position to fully answer this after we have questions. So, I'll answer because I think that was part of the intent in asking these questions. And that brings us to the end of part two for now. I don't think it would be appropriate to make a determination of significance until we get some of the materials submitted by the applicant here, but we've gone over everything there and identified only a few areas that need supplementation and additional submissions.

I just one quick question for the applicant. I just noticed when we were going through about the threatening engagement species. I know the board didn't feel that there was anything uh but they on the EAF it is checked. Yes. And this is automatically done through the EAF mapper. Um, and it does list species. Was there a threat and endangered species report that was part of the record? I just want to make sure there's something part of the record. I I don't think there was an actual report. Hope you finish this.

Are the site civil engineers on remote? Yes. Can you can you hear me? Yes. So, has there been an endangered species report prepared or There has not yet assuming it's in the middle. Was there plans of it or I'm just looking for some way to close this out that there was an expert's opinion and the board it could be done if the board I'm not looking for a lot but just it seems like everybody feels it's not but I think it's cleaner that way.

I don't I can't say there isn't. Yeah. There's there's a there's a long list here. You know, that includes bald eagle and paragan falcon and uh shortnose sturgeon and Atlantic surge. I'm sure those are you from the the river. So, you could say because they hit a data point, but it's just nice to say if we had an expert say no. Okay, we'll see what we can come up with. But the but the birds the the eagles that would be just to say that there's no I'm not familiar with the existing site right now as far as trees you know that there's not a roosting tree or you know habitat something like that right yeah we're looking for that

so uh if the applicant submits responses by the May deadline which is April 28th May 12th meetings deadline is April 28th and uh and we a complete package in response to the SE process. We should be able to schedule a determination in our next meeting. It's an important next step for the project. Um, as far as the engineering letter, uh, we have, as I said, we have the, uh, I don't know whether it's my impression is maybe you have more comments on the engineering letter that would occur between now and the next meeting. you know, they're going to actually implement some of the requests and the changes are going to specifically address some of the comments. Okay,

there's there's some comments that are so detailed that, you know, it doesn't make sense for us to address them now

because usually they're kind of addressed either as a condition of approval or further on the process, especially when we get the storm water comments because we don't want to go into the engineering detail. now then all of a sudden there has to be a modification to the site because of storm work then we have to kind of re-engineer all of the detail like the handicap stuff. So we're not ignoring the questions we're just saying you know once we get those storm order comments back once we realize that the buildings aren't moving nothing is shifting because every time you shift the building and have a ripple effect to every little detail on the product. So we're trying to avoid those little details until we know for sure that nothing is going to be moving or shifted around.

So just in terms of the logistics of our work down the next meeting, um we want to be able to deal with the engineering issues in our April in our May 12th meeting. Um I would encourage the engineers and the lawyers to continue to work in the way they have for the last week so we can keep moving this forward. If there are questions, talk to each other and um uh but if you could submit your final documents and content by the 28th, that gives us all plenty of time uh on the design review. U we'll pass the questions off to HHA and I know you'll pass them on to your architect. Correct.

Um if he has questions or needs clarification, you know how to get a hold of me. Um and u and it's a little difficult to know whether he's going to be able to respond by the 28th of April. That's only two weeks. It's a pretty substantial uh number of questions. So if if we need to look at at making an exception again to the deadline for this particular piece, um we can certainly let a few days slide on the deadline, but not the day out or the day before the meeting. That's just not enough time for us to digest uh his responses. Um so u you and I continue talking make sure things moving along and we will look forward to hearing you'll have three major components in May. We'll have the engineering conversation. We'll have the design review and hopefully we will wrap up the secret process. Um so it's a big meeting. It's an important meeting. Any other discussion from the board before we seek to adjourn?

Any other comments from our lawyer? We have the old resolutions. No, we already voted on. All right. Um, any other comments tonight, Andrew? No, I don't think I can physically do anymore. Rich, thanks for joining us. Any other comments you wouldn't want to make? No. Okay, with that then be sure. Thanks everybody. Thank you everybody. Thank you.