Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone. Thank you for coming to the planning board meeting for what? April 8th, 2025 and it's starting at what? 6:35. Um 634. So we're going to open the plan for April 8th, 2025. Can I get a motion to open the public hearing for Mil Street Box? Oh, I know. Sorry. Can I do both? Uh, I'll do it. Randall Martin, present. Michaels, present. Dr. Patina Young, presents. Sorry. president and board join the present and um first I don't remember okay so we have a phone now can I get a motion to open the public hearing for mil street lights motion to open the public hearing for street I make a motion I secondly Okay. Is this a good Should we set up over here? Where where where you want us? I think last time over here right where we want the public to see it too. So you can put it like where but you know make it so we can see it

right. Same type of Yeah. direction as the screen is coming. Right. Someday we're going to be able to put all of this on right. [Music] Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the board project civil engineer. I think it's probably best if Andy gives an overview of some of the updates since our last got a lot of stuff today. You know what? Can you put that on the screen? Make this a little bit more. Good evening. Um so updates from last time just trying to address some of the comments they received at the meeting last month. Um we were able to work with the city DBW um to um provide a a hammerhead turnaround at the end of Mil Street. Uh, it's a full-size hammerhead

that complies with New York City Fire Code requirements. It actually we have room where we're able to make it fit without disturbing the trail, which we feel is a plus. Um, uh, plus uh with this this design, um, it minimizes the length of pavement that would have to cross from the trail to to our sidewalk. So, that's um, that's a positive as well. Um, and we do have, like I said, we do have confirmation from the DPW that they are they have an objection to this this design. So, that's I think we've um come to a good spot with that. The the trail that goes over the Mil Street area, how much of the street is the trail or is it just combined all in one? Uh, the I believe that the Mil Street in this section uh from from Second Street to to the end there's a trail. Um I believe the whole street currently is is considered the trail public street, right? Okay. Um so speaking of the trail, um we also had some discussions last time about the trail from from Hill Street up north street. Um we had discussed trying to make that work. We did prepare some preliminary gradings for that trail. Um it's uh very steep. So, in this plan, uh, Mil Street is here and this is the the top of North Third Street. Um it it might be hard to see here but the existing topography the lines are very close together. Um they exceed 40%

and and several locations which is quite steep. If you go out there and look at it it's it's it's very difficult would be very difficult to find. Um with this design we tried to minimize the amount of soil disturbance. So we tried to follow the grade of existing grade as as much as possible. Um, even with this with this design, um, we have, uh, slopes of 23% and then a section of about 12 feet in height of stairs just to get up, uh, to try to comply with the the Forest Service standards that that we found. Um, this is a this is a very steep trail, not something that would be recommended to construct. It' be a maintenance and probably a liability issue for the city. Um, not to mention the fact that um, in order to really make it access, it's not going to be a accessible, but in order to make it more usable, you need more stairs um, than than what we've shown here. And with the utility lines through this area, um, you know, the equipment that would be needed to maintain those those poles, at times those stairs wouldn't last. They they get torn up. They'd be disturbed on a regular basis. So, we are um we are suggesting that it's not really feasible to construct this trail at this time. However, we have been in contact with the Columbia Land Conservancy. Um we understand has been in talks to build a trail um on adjoining parcel that the city owns um and we'd be willing to to help contribute to assist in building that trail to make it make that connection. And you would tie into it somewhere or run parallel to where this was? I don't have the details of that show. Yeah. So, uh, the Columbia Land Consery, they haven't fully designed their path yet. I think the next step for them would be to engage one of these consultants that

actually does the design and then would build it. We'll work with them whether it's an easement or we'll do the tree clearing, grading, or financial contribution, but their trail would be the sole trail connecting third to milk. Okay. So, so that's the the trail update. Um, the other topic of conversation that came up last month was about storm water and flooding. Um, we gave you a a narrative um in the submission that we made that kind of describes how we're complying with the storm water requirements as well as as with the flood plan requirements. Um, you know, generally speaking, the storm water requirements are governed by the New York State DEC. Um, it's really about the water that falls on the site and how much water is coming off of the site as a result of development. Um, the flooding requirements are governed primarily by FEMA um in accordance with regulations adopted by the city. Um basic the basic requirement is that you know any new building or modified building be constructed with their first floor elevation and any critical components of the building above that flood elevation. Um one of the comments last month was about how high tide in the river affects the flood plane elevation. Um I found in the flood study that governs the preparation of the flood plane maps that we use to design the site and establish the flood elevation that the 100year flood elevation is actually based on the high tide elevation in the in the in the river. So that is technically the worst case scenario. Mhm. Um so um that's that's the the kind of the the high level overview of the flooding elevation flooding issues and the storm

water. Um question about wetlands came up. We did submit our um wetland biologist letters indicating that there are no wetlands on the site. Um and we have been working with the city and their engineer on the sewer um permit approval. Uh so we've been coordinated with them. I had asked you for like a simplified drawing of your mitigation plan. Yes. Were you able to to So we have I mean I you know the best thing I could come up with was a little bit of a section. So I do have that I can show you. You have the color plan as part of the narrative, right? Yes, the color plan as part of the narrative. We we submitted a narrative that kind of breaks out storm water with flood water and then a copy of our site plan coloring the different treatments and different colors. You can see what's managing our storm water. I think it was blue or storm water and then did you have it with you today? Let me see the one that you and so this one is basically just it it shows uh it's a section to a part of the site. Here's the line. Um and this shows that we're we're removing material from this part of the site. That's the blue area. And then in this area beyond the wall is where we're filling. And you can see the the blue area is significantly larger than the red. That's that's the um the mitigation the compensation for the amount of the blue is going to be where the water is going to be retained. Well, that's the the this is our um uh our basin here, right? It's going to collect water from the swale and then direct it into into the into the um storm sewer system. So, we're excavating, we're removing material from

this to make up for the water, the the fill or the that we're displacing within the flood plane in this part of the of of the site. More than we're taking we're taking more than double uh the material out of the the flood plane to compensate for the material we're putting the copy that's in it's in the narrative that describes that. Did you upload that to multiply? I did not. And what is the um level when you say the worst case? Sorry. What is the level elevation is 11.3? But that's the worst case scenario. Yes. The color storms and I need to show you. Yes. That's so we've done narrative and then just 11.3 which is yes and you received the pictures that that I sent you. Yes. And that that was a restor and obviously every place was flooded right but in that case what would your storm mitigation techniques yield in terms of like So, so our our our our obligation under the storm water regulations district is to on site under the DEC standards is to control the flow off the site so it's the same as it is currently and we've done that. We've shared we've shared calculations with Christian that shows that we do that. I'm waiting to review the revised SWIP that has those final calculations. Okay. But it floods. But you know that it floods. We know that it floods. We we're complying with the the other regulation, the FEMA regulation shows that we're designing the building to be safe from flooding. And our storm water

calculations show that the change and flow from our site does not change after construction is complete. Okay. And and did we talk about requiring a a drainage plan? That's hopefully going to be part of their swift. Is that is that the inclusive a drainage plan? Yeah. Have a drainage study to include that stream channel. Um we've done that I haven't seen. So I'm waiting to see that. Um okay, because we have had some submissions that say even on the two-day rain event that it does a significant amount of water does pull all over the site. And I guess the question is I'm having trouble envisioning how this is going to either mitigate or complement what's you know what's happening you know with with the standing water. I I know what you're saying that the regulations basically um prohibit you from adding more water and doing you know make making the situation worse. But I'm just, you know, while I'm an engineer, I'm not a building engineer. So I'm just having trouble really sort of visualizing and I think people are having trouble really sort of comprehending how that happens with this enormous amount of water, right? I mean, we we we there there's a lot of water in the community here, right? And there's not really anything we can do to change that, right? The water is going to come whether we build it or not. Right. Right. So, we're complying to make sure that our the site is complying with the FEMA regulations and that the storm water regulations as well. The amount of water that our site itself is producing is not any different than what it is now. But we don't want 70 new 70 new units of people now trapped because the intersection is pulled and flooded and they can't get out. That's I mean that's sort of my my

query. But that's the intersection. I get that. But you wouldn't want that either. You you want you wouldn't want that for your tenant. You would want to build something where you're going to have an obvious issue. You mean I understand the intersection of Second and Mil Street, correct? Is in a flood zone. Uh I'm not sure the elevation off the top and remember we are going to we were going to recommend something to the city to change that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got to Yeah, we got to put it, you know, because Yeah. It's the city's property something that needs to be changed. So, they need to address that. Well, I think the recommendation was for them to change the 24 pipe to 48 or 54 and if they don't build there, it's still going to happen. So, that recommendation has gone out to recommend that the city looks into that. I know. But we would have a scenario where we would have 100 people, 200 people maybe trapped for a day or so not being able to exit because the amount of water that's in the intersection. I understand that it's not within your purview, but it it it is a likely scenario, but there is an alternative, right? They can go the other direction on the railroad. They could get out. They could go emergency service. They could go the other way. We could go down. Yeah. You say like down by the dump and then out because I didn't think they had an outlet. I [Music] think exiting the property, they could even go up towards second, right? You know, up toward Bliss Tower second. They could go down toward Depot Street. And then the only other way would be if they made a

ped and it would go toward the toward the duck. But does that happen that way? Where is that? Is that near um the Mil Street end street going towards the house? Yes. Yes, you go to up the hill to hearing Howard Avenue that used to be open, but the city put in barrier so you can't go down or go up, right? People were driving across the front lawn of the house at the edge of the edge of the trail. So, no, you cannot get out. You can't get out, right? Unless the city changes the barricades up there. So, they're movable. How do they get out then? They don't. That's That's my issue. I'm sorry. You walk you walk or you take walk through the water and everything. No, I'm just saying. It's up on a hill. So the hill where I know, but when it's a flood, you're talking about under those conditions, right? I'm not talking about bliss. I'm talking about the other if you went straight down that road. So they're trapped now. Okay. Most likely, right? So in other words, they're trapped now. How do they get out when the when a condition comes to that has all those houses 15 people are trapped now let's say 30 people are trapped in those houses now how are we going to add anotherund 100 plus people in disabled too when you try to hike up right when it flooded in December of 22 it was like 8 in of water um it was coming out of some of the subway grates and then down into some of the other subway grates or not subway, but you know what I mean. Yeah, the drain streets. And you there was no way to get out. I didn't hear that. I went down there. I

mean, you can drive through it. But you drive through. All right. That's I'm thinking when I say track, that means driving or walking, no nothing. Just maybe a boat or something. That's two days of rain. That's not the river flooding. Different. Right. Right. I just want to make that clear. Don't say trap, just say interconvenience, stuff like that. Well, you can't leave your house. I mean, technically, you know. Um, the one thing I'm going to say, and I talked to you about it before, the pictures I have show that field flooded, completely flooded. Yes. And you're now going to be building a parking lot and displacing that amount of water during a 100redyear storm. You need to prove to us and to prove to me that that amount of water is not going to negatively impact the downstream neighbors on Mil Street. I don't know how you're going to do that. You have to figure that out. Do a, you know, drainage study. What's going through there? You got to show that that amount of water building the parking lot, you can't tell me, is not going to displace that water. That water and your channel is not going to hold it and handle it. And I don't think the retention basin at the end is going to make up for that entire field. So I know you said it's going to go through this this this the swamp and everything else, but that's not acceptable. You need to control the runoff at the property line pre versus post. So you need to figure that out and make sure that shows the drainage count. Now did you say underneath the parking lot there was going to be some retention water retention? That's for the water that falls on the site. that'll handle their storm water, not the stuff that's coming here. And the water's coming from two directions. Am I right? It looks like it comes from the park side and it looks like it also comes down through the site. Um, part of the problem is 44 in pipe that goes on

Second Street. There's that second street water when it comes down second street both where the 2 that's coming down street and of building um is it second? Yes, there's water that's contributing to that flooding down the intersection. So that's in the back. Yeah, but that's not flooding that's happening up on top of the site. Um and that pipe, the 24in pipe is definitely underside to go through there. And what's happening is it's overflowing that pipe flowing into Mil Street, going into the park, I think down Mil Street, and then also into the park. Um, so I I know you're keeping the 24. I I don't know that that's a smart idea. I think getting that water off of Mil Street, stopping that water from flowing onto Mil Street. Um, well, keep in mind that if we open up that pipe, that also opens the door for more flooding downstream. Correct. But that's the storage that's the storage that that's creating is not much. That's a small area. I would disagree. But so but currently leave the CS right the CS. So that'll be in our next sub. Okay. Because like right now the water the water that's in the park now comes through that little pipe now and it's was going to drain into the field. You were going to redirect that into your own into the swell right here. And Christian is saying they don't stepped in because you realize that I just I mean I get in principle but I just I'm having trouble visualizing how all of this water the combination of it is going to be contained you know in the way that you imagine that that that it will be we cannot contain all of our flood water. That's that that's never been our goal. that the end of Mil Street

unfortunately is in a flood plane and will remain in the flood plane, but we have to make sure we're not making it worse. Right. And we have the cows that'll be part of our next submission that'll show, right? Any more questions for the planning boards? Yeah. So, could you guys talk to Ron Har like DPW about the turn off and get the Okay. Yes. Right. Um, can you get you just get me an email already? I have something from Andy Howard from Can you just for me and upload it to the And don't forget to upload that information so the public can also view the progress of this application. Uh any more [Music] question? Okay. public. I'm Jennifer Belman, uh, fourth board council member. I am here again to express my opposition to this project. And when you guys were talking about flooding, the water is actually coming through from three different directions, not just two directions. It's coming around the entire site. So, we know too. What's better? It's coming from Harry Howard down the hill, which is the the street. No, not Second Street. Second Street's on the other side. So, you got it coming there. You got it coming in the back of it. So, it's coming from all three directions. Not where the houses are currently, but from all three other directions. Can I ask a question? Does anyone know how is those houses that are there now ever built without somebody addressing that? They are not in the the

flooding area where they're building is the area that floods and to So you're saying the houses don't get flooded. They I don't know that they don't get flooded. I think that they do. In fact, when I talked to Nazine Khan, who said that she felt this project was burying her before she died, um she her house was in danger. She gets flood. It's just that we have showed that the houses well the houses were on pads except with one at the end, I believe. And I guess in that Eileene storm that was flooded and what they said is that that that was flooded and they pumped the water out but the water wouldn't go down until the the river receded. Yes. That that's the antidotal information that's been a problem for a long time. Right. But but I mean and and the and the dilemma that we have is that that's not where their problem is but does impact the development. And so that's why it's important to see it. Yeah. And we have we have addressed that issue by um saying that we wanted to get a letter to the city to explain to them, you know, to correct the situation cuz even though if they build, if they don't build, it's not going to stop all flooding on Mil Street. But why would you put a 70 unit building in a place that routinely floods? Because the way they're presenting it to us and the way our consultant is working with them, they're going to eliminate their the comes on their portion, but they can't eliminate what's happening with what is happening on their portion is pushing the water into the houses. That's not cool. Not hold on. Last week they told us that they were going to backfill so that they were

going to be above the grade of the road. That's what I heard. And when they said that, I said, "Well, then you're going to be pushing the water toward the homes." You know what they were talking about now? Yes, I did. And there I heard concerns from the two on the address. But I don't I don't believe that. I don't know if you heard that because I didn't hear that. I don't think that your your concept your plan is to be to have the development above the road. The the the four elevations first four elevations of the buildings are roughly equal even with the road. Okay. Gotcha. Well, that is she is addressing my concern that by filling the parking lot they are pushing the storm water off of their site. That's why you told me they have to show they need to show that to me. That's why I've asked before we approve it. They will have to show that. That's what we talking about. Oh, wait. I use I'm okay. Uh, Jack 228 Mil Street. Um, yeah, I really appreciate this tension. The flooding, it's very important the planning board understands the flooding issue is multiaceted. The water quality issue on this property is multiaceted. Uh it's not just about the Hudson River and high tide and major storm events that flood the Hudson River. In my perspective, more about major storm, major rainfall and flash flooding that comes down from multiple angles across this property. Um I think the perspective that this property cannot uh make it any worse is is a limited perspective. We're putting people or your approval would put people in the path of what we know is already a floodable area and that that needs to be viewed both from a downstream impact perspective but also an upstream source perspective. It comes from many places and those places are owned by the city

or the school district. And so they are necessary partners in addressing this issue just as they are necessary partners in addressing the access pedestrian access uh to this site if it were to be developed uh just as the development of the park is a necessary component of this project. The entire thing is going to change a very small isolated neighborhood which frequently floods. So please consider bringing those parties to the table conditioning your approval on other approvals. very important that this project build. We haven't approved it. We just working through it. I am Margaret Mars. Uh first board council member, um I'm not going to talk to you. You are going to do infill on in the area where you are building this large complex. Um what uh have uh can you assure us of that 10 15 years from now there will not be settlement of that infill so that there will not be structural problems with the buildings that you are putting on that site because that's you know that I would expect that there would be supplement of the infill that you're doing you have to bring it up to so the building will be designed by geotechnical structural engineers that understands how to do this so that it won't settle. The fill will will be placed in a manner so that it won't settle. Can you explain that to us? Yeah, we'll have design specifications that we have to take bearing capacity of any soil before we place our footings. So, we'll have specifications on how many pounds per square inch bearing capacity has to be. Any fill will be installed in the 12-in lifts that are then compacted before the next lift goes in. So before any of our concrete for our buildings are poured be the bearing

capacity to find the soil bearing of the fill that's placed. Building on fill is a very common construction practice. As a matter of fact have a geotech report. Would that be the code enforcement? I mean for our standpoint the state well our lenders and right any more questions? Yes sir. Well the reason is over extraneous you know extraordinary situations. I can remember Irene. I was down north Jersey and I came up to win my mom's house to get away from the hurricane. Guess what happened? 23. The side of the road eroded down. It was like the shoulder was eroded away like 2 ft from the road. I couldn't get out of the house for a week till they rebuilt the road. So, I'm certainly familiar with that kind of a situation. Um, so I understand the responsibilities are up to a certain level, but now you're also considering imposing a population into an area that could be dicey. That's all I have to say. I'm sorry, sir. What is your name? Lloyd. L O Y T K O E D P I N G. Thank you so much. And I just want to remind the public that we are working through this. We have not been there. It is a project that's an application. The code says that it can be allowed in that area and we're working through it. We also wanted to correctly consultants that definitely notice what is new there. So, and we thank you guys who are really, you know, you're really good at answering and jumping on our concerns and addressing every

issue. Any more comments from the public? this copy of this uploaded it just only just yesterday. Oh, just yesterday. Yeah, they uploaded a whole lot of stuff yesterday. So, we have to get to it. You can go on local and see the specialty uploaded, but they did today and yesterday coming in. We haven't even had a chance. Okay. So, um, you know, we're really not getting any more written comments and I always allow the public to say something. You want to keep it open or close it? Public hearings will soon. It's up to the board. I like to see the I I' I'd say keep just to see your next your next submitt on that on that question. So, we have a motion. You can vote on them if you I want a motion that if we want to say yes or no ask for the [Music] public hearing is 62 days that you approve or deny the project only can't make the uh no just the whole process like no No, no. So, you can get an extension, but it has to you have to get the applicant agreement because otherwise you can unnecessarily extend the process, right? So, it's in order to keep the process moving. So, you're you could say you're closing the public hearing with the understanding that you are waiting for additional materials and you can ask the applicant if you don't make it clear to the applicant. If you do not get these within 62 days, you must get an extension until you feel comfortable voting on it. otherwise it'll be a denial. Um, so either they give you an extension or you're forced

to vote and then you're forced to vote in limited information. So it's that's kind of how it works. Typically applicants do not fight the extension if there's outstate materials because it's not in their best interest and then we'll do so. So the difference is is that if you keep it open, it allows the public to keep commenting. So you know they can come next meeting and still comment on the application. So public hearings are for public engagement. You want to get the comments of the neighbors. You want to respond. So when you're thinking about closing the public hearing, you want to ask yourselves um are we expecting more like public comments that'll help us with our review process? Do you think you've heard enough from the neighbors? Those are the kind of questions you want to ask yourself. comments are the same about the flooding and we are addressing that um aggressively yeah they know they know they put so take a look at that you know take a look at what they submit I still have to review it yeah this is not an approval like if you close the public hearing all you're doing is starting the clock but like I said if applicants typically do not fight because if you don't have everything you need to make a decision like you don't have their most updated submission it's like an automatic deny by the by usually by the board because you're waiting for additional materials. So, I mean it's it's up to it's up to the board, but that's typically what you're thinking about. Madam Chair, if you're considering closing it, I'd like the opportunity to invite my neighbors to come and speak one last time. Exactly. I've been here on their behalf for a whole year. They've come once or twice. I've done that as a courtesy to them. I will inform them. I'll bring them. I want I want to keep the motion on the table and see what the vullet says. If they say no, then it's not. But if they said yes, then it's yes. And I understand what you're saying. But you know, we're not getting new comments on Mil Street. The comments about the flood addressing that we're going to continue to do. Okay. Um,

I want to ask you a question. Um, I forget your name. His name is Jack. Jack. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you've been here representing your neighbors or speaking for your neighbors and they've they've expressed concerns to you and you brought those concerns to us. By them coming here in person, they're just going to repeat what you've already told us the last few months or is there going to be some new additional? The project is the project has ch not in great scope but the project has changed and developed over this process. I've been reporting back when they ask me questions as best as I can with the time that I have. I just want their opportunity to be heard and to be frank they have relied on me to tell them what is happening with this project and I've done my best but I'll give them one final update and they'll come and speak to you. I think they deserve to be heard in their own voice and their own words. Okay. Um Margaret first uh the engineer uh had additional questions around flooding, you have to come back with more information to demonstrate that this has been addressed. It seems to me that the public should be allowed to hear that and they may have comment and additional uh feedback on that. So in fact, you still have a large open questionnaire that has not yet been resolved. So I would argue for keeping the public hearing open on that place. And like I said before, I'm going to move towards whether or not we want to close this public hearing. We will keep it open for comments if people want to try to move. Well, so you're going to keep it open for com. So close. So you could your options are you close the public hearing, you keep the public hearing open, you motion to keep the public hearing open for another 10 days to allow for written abilments. So the public so we make a record. It has to be clear of what was dur like the record has to be very clear of what was held

during the public comment period. So you as a board keep the public comment period open by writing for an additional 10 days 15. It's whatever time period you want. Yeah, that sounds better. So if you move for that, you'd have to make that clear in the motion. How many days with a written comment period opening for X number days? All right. I make a motion to close the public hearing but allow written comments to continue for 10 more days. after today for Mil Street. No, who's going to do that? Anybody? You move. So, I move. So, I'm going to go for everybody. If you say no, fine. If you say yes, you need a second. So, you have a second first. I think there's too many consequential issues still open. I would rather if people verbally not some people are not good in written form writing things in form in written form they would rather verbally indicate your opinion like I'm better in written form you don't want want me to put you so I think there should be that opportunity for someone to come and present for Kylie what you say um one last time yeah I think I think just stay open how about Okay. And I'm the only one, right? Never. All right. So, I mean, so the public hearing remains open until next month. No, no. Now you have to make a motion to continue the public hearing until May. Let me see. I got it. I'll make that motion. Wait. May

13th. We should ask the applicant to be regular. Can be right. Yes, it can. Yes, I can. Okay. So, I make a motion to continue public hearing to May 13th. And I will second that motion. All in favor? Any oppose? Okay. So we'll continue to come here from Mil Street till May 13th and hope that all the flooding issues will be addressed and we just move on. We met so many things on our own Thank you. Thank you. We need a motion. and all that motion. If you don't get a second, you don't get a second. No, I'm sorry. I was talking about that. I just like procedurally, but it's okay. It's all new business. Okay. 431 Street, are you here? industry. It's an application uh request that um

five hands. Did you bring that? No, we didn't have a permit for that. There you go. I can take over. I'm Rebecca Lidle. Um, we just moved to Hudson this week. My husband is still uh living in Gilbert'sville, uh, New York and the family will be joining us this week. Um, so the chickens are his and he couldn't be here, so he gave me a paragraph if that's okay. Are these chickens that you own now that you're transporting? Correct. the chicken um the roosting and so it's a prefab fabricated um chicken house. It's already built. It just has to be picked up and dropped in the new yard. So, there's actually no construction necessary. Um and it's just a it's just a screener, the chicken wire, you know, small little house that's elevated above the ground. They can come down on the little ramp and walk around in the grass and um there's the chicken wire all around it. You will make our second application for chickens and hudson since the law was passed. I don't I don't understand. And not other words, but this is only the second application that's ever come to since the council pass the law. But since the first one which came directly after the law was passed there are things that you know that we've been looking into. So um you know one of the things that when you gave us your application it was not clear as to the setbacks and if everything that was required by the code was addressed. Okay. Okay. So, I was proposing to the I'm going to propose to us that if you want people I tried to look at your body, but I couldn't see it. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, I'm certain that happy to um to let you see it. Um and yeah, I noticed that um you only have one, correct? Right to the left. Looking at Union Street entrance. This is the church on the corner of Union and Port Street. Yeah, it's next to the four. Okay. And you have And you have a fence. There's another fence like a regular fully enclosed uh yard. And how long is how big is the other pants? Um height I know probably 8 feet maybe. Okay. Where is like we and we know that you order partition street. So where is the I can't figure out where is the church? Where did the church stop and the living orders? So that little round circle um in front of the property that's um the church is to the looking to the right and then the actual church is directly connected to the referee um by one single hallway. Um and then right next you know on the opposite side of the house is a small yard cuz they used to have lunch there and I used to go in straight there was a cafeteria. Yeah. Yeah. So it's if you're looking at the building it's to the left through the church offices. It's directly connected to the the rectory where our family will live. And how big is that yard? Because it didn't move that it was that big. Um, in general, chickens don't need a lot of space. And actually, if we didn't let them out of the run, we would still be within a regulation for keeping chickens in the small 4x6 area. How noisy chicken? It's not a rooster. They don't really make a lot of noise. And you didn't provide us with any information about how to get that kept how you know a couple things that are

needed that cleanly waste. So yeah, in general chicken um um is is good fertilizer and so it you know in general doesn't attract um you know pests and those sorts of things. We keep the food in a sealed container inside the house. We bring food out daily. What? What did you say? They don't grow. They don't like their stool isn't going to doesn't create a lot of smell. It just it's mostly a fertilizer. So, our grass should grow really well. This This here is a sketch. Okay. And it shows on the back side of the house where chicken run is going to be there's a six foot fence already there. Yes. Okay. between the run and the fence or the run and the neighbor's property. Do you know what the distance is between the two? I I don't. Is that part of the regulations? How much space would it need? I know it's in here somewhere. So fence enclosure groups must be cut back at least 5 ft from the property lines at least 15 ft from the nearest wall or other occupied structure other than the per um enclosure shall not be located closer to a public street than the primary residence. Um and that is in section 77. So we would be off the main road um well off of Union. Um, and I don't know whether the fence is the the barrier because the actual residence is further away from the fence than so I think to answer their concerns um the building inspector if something when he issues a permit has to be able to know like if you put the enclosure 10 feet instead of six feet you don't have written on your like sketch of how many feet it is. Okay. The building inspector has no way

to know if you're following your site plan. It's informal. It's a sketch. Yeah. But you would just have to clearly label your setbacks. So if you're if you are 15 ft, the building inspector will be able to note that when you like when the permit if there's compliance if you get a complaint about chicken noise and he has to go out there and keep we keep a file of Yeah. like the sketches on file for So you just need more clear measurements and and it and the fact that that wall is invented because you have a circular driveway would that take? No, the house is on blocks the circular driveway. So there's the circle and then there's the house and then there's the yard. So we would not be So is that the measurement um to that road the circle driveway or to what you So it's all if I like those but basically she like just need to outline how close the chicken poop to the house is the chicken poop to the road and how you need and your neighbor's property. You don't have neighbor and it's fine. You just have to have what you want to leave from the house. Okay. Right. But it's not the fence between the property, it's their actual house and and the fencing for the chicken run. So if you have fencing for the chicken run, it's you measure from the fence. It depends on like your sketch is just very hard to understand. You already have a pre-existing fence. So you have a pre-existing one fence and then you have a run. Are you putting an additional fence in front of the run? No, it's a fully enclosed uh It's already fence. It's already been But is is she measuring from the from the edge of her chicken coop to the property line of the neighbor's property line or of the neighbor's house? We need 5t off the property line. You need to be the fence needs to be 5t off the property line. Yeah. Yeah. So your fence probably is on the property line. Yeah. So you would need a second enclosure 5t off the property for your

chickens. Okay. If you want to search, can you can you want to send you that in an email? That would be helpful because obviously my husband is here. Yeah, we'll send you that in. We'll address that and send it to you in an email. That's what I told him, you know, that his um presence is, you know, preferred but not required because we would discuss this and send it to me. Also, your actual coup needs to be back from the house or the church. So you just have to make it clear how far from. So you got to measure from the building to the coupe from the coupe to like and then from the fencing like the entire chicken run area to the road the property line and then the street and then your neighbor's property and how close. You'll write that for so the distance from Union Street to the coupe and the distance from partition to the back side of it. We'll give you what the requirements are and then it doesn't matter how close to our house it is. It's just you have the already there on the property. No, because we don't have that. Yeah. So, you don't have a second chicken on the cement. They were miscar Well, ours are they um we allow them to free range on our current property and so Yeah. Are they going to be all right with that? Yeah, it's a small area. Are they going to be all right? Additionally, chickens are notoriously a little tree. might go a little at all times. No, it's chicken coops in general. They they they don't require a significant amount of space for moving around and and those they're they're fine in a 4x6 area of grass. I mean, just pets. These are just domestic pets. They lay eggs. And um actually in our current community, we sell them at our church um to support youth programs um in the community.

So commercial church fundraising like in other words for fundraising. I think it would be similar to like a bake sale. Yeah. Yes. You could give things away and you could get as for donation, but they couldn't they couldn't have a commercial enterprise selling that specific but a shirt sale of course is not so we'll send you um specifications out of the upcoming so you can fully understand what is required. So because I don't I've never been to a meeting like this at all. So, we would be waiting until next month for a decision and and we have to have a public hearing, too. We're not going to do that until we send you. Okay. So, it could be several months of keeping chickens several hours away. Sure. There's a question about Yes. I think as soon as you get us the information, you know, the sooner we can I think that my husband did say That's a small uh do we want this navigation $25 [Music] whether or not you want this? It's up to you. I don't think I think it's a chicken. I think you're off the

road seeing 15 ft. Please send the um guidelines to center. We're going to take the guidelines out of the code and send it to them. We usually tell applicants read it but we understand sometime right. So we don't expect them to do that. So, but I still ask okay about the escro asking if you want to do espro chickens. I don't I don't know. We haven't had any contact with them. Now we we we know that's not a requirement to let that individual know and we hope that when we have the public hearing they will see it so if they have anything against that they can come and speak there but in the meantime since you are a church maybe you should talk yeah you only have one one close neighbor that did you say you roosters. No, we do not roosters like usually. Yeah, we accidentally got one when we bought some chicken he would you have mentioned was that the name of the chickens or the type of chicken? Those are the the breeds of chickens that again. What was the breeds? Uh because I mean does it make a difference? No, just some of them lay white eggs, some of them lay green eggs, some lay brown eggs. Yeah, they're just different colors. A little more aggressive than the other. No. And some chickens are better for meat and some are better for eggs. And um you have a chicken that lays green eggs. Yeah. They're called Easter eggs. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Um we usually buy them tractor supply to get them because Yeah. Here they sell in six. They don't sell five. Well, we lost one. So that makes s and um sounds good to me. Okay, that's it for businesses. And other business. Can we wrap it up? No, we got other business. Okay. Concerns as to what? This is our open time. It's just for us. We're finished. Now, this is for state. Yeah. Carol's got I ask a question before the meeting is over. I'm curious about you. You have the owl going on. Are you just recording this? You never released a resume. It's it's it's it's it's this this is the rationale. It's still streaming to the city's website, but because sometimes we, you know, like I'm just doing this because I'm doing a favor to the city and sometimes we don't have the passwords, we have an issue, we didn't want to have it such that a meeting wasn't legal because we ran into a technical issue. So, we are still streaming, but what does that mean? Where do you

find it? You can just go right on the You can just go right on the city's website for live meetings. go in the planning board. You'll see it. We'll see. I I'll send you the thing. But the but the reason why we don't want to have a meeting not be applicable because we have managed technology. But I'm still endeavoring to make sure that you know that we try to get out there as wide as possible. And the Zoom link that you have is still active. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one what I said but they can't participate. No, that's fine. There are lot of people who would like to observe the meetings and they can like I said but we don't want to guarantee that because you know I don't control the issues here beyond my control. So, but but one of the things if you know someone that wants to do this recommendations because he can't do it and every other board has someone else actually well they haven't personally they've been doing for years and now all of the all of the the teacher all our lives Oh, not with uh Yes, with love. Yeah, with love. So, we we have a volunteer. We don't pay for this. Okay. Now, this is a volunteer that's Yeah. So, if anyone know anyone that wants to deal to the city? Well, no. I think hi, my name is Jerus. I have a question about last meeting. Uh last meeting. Yeah. Well, because you u you have a hard fast 900 p.m. rule. Oh, yeah. But then the very informative uh presentation about the park

redevelopment came after 9:00. What what street? Oh, the presentation. Yes. I'm in the fifth ward. I'm on uh sixth in prospect, but I found out about the presentation afterwards. Um, and the fact that it went on after 9, I was wondering, was there any consideration given to pushing it to this month's meeting? No. Okay, I'll tell you why. Those people came and they were waiting all that time. They were online. Yeah. They won't they waiting to present themselves all that time. So instead of them saying, "Okay, you waited all this time. Come next month, we just allow them." But if you go on the I think um Oh, I watched it. Why? What's the point of a hard nine? It's it's it is a proposal to stop. But if we can, we just can't. Okay. But we're, you know, give them a make them happy. You know, we try. Okay. Presentation that we had to sit and it was um it lasted longer than I thought. I thought it was going to be about 15 minutes, but I think it lasted 30 minutes. I believe there was a comment at the end, and I appreciated the opportunity to share my feelings on this. There was a comment at the end that it was a shame that no one else was here because that was for the public. Well, I think that comment came from me, but it just it goes to the heart of my concern. Yeah. Well, the hard stop is a um it's almost like a you know, like a road map, but sometimes it just won't happen. The language should be changed to possibly instead of Okay, I will change it. Good idea. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Possible. I'm sorry. likely. Okay. Which one? Possible like or most likely most likely the probability so picky with a motion. No,

too early. Well, we won't, you know, we can take it out all together. Can we move that all together? Yeah. Then we continue to go past 9:00, right? You know, sometimes things are going to go We thought that that would have only it was a something to 9 when they started, right? It wasn't nine and then they went further after 9 than expected. So, I think we should take this policy out and if someone from the board has to leave because we just, you know, I don't want to have another meeting. I don't know about you guys. It's hard getting you here for the for two. I was one of the people that had a problem with it continuing to go to 10 or 10:30. Yeah. I think we do have that was my concern. Yeah. If you're on an agenda item and that agenda item is at let's say 9:00 and it's going to go to 9:05, I think you should like another agenda item after that then you say we're sorry and that started before 9 but it lasted. It's a complimentary policy. If you go to 910 you're not violating like you're violating your policy but it's slightly better. No, you don't have to change the wording. It's fine as is. It's just like I understand what he's saying, but it's your own internal policy. It there's no law that governs this. It's the board decision that you voted on. If you go to 9:15, you go to 9:15. That's your privacy. Exactly. It's your discretion. And the reason Oh, what I isn't there a stop? It's my prerogative. Okay. So, it is our in other words, if we don't stop at No, we just don't. That's what I just said. Yeah, I think the key to the team is one is there were three meetings that I didn't get home

till 11:00 and you know that's that was long. I mean I don't mind I can be here so that's fine but you guys are volunteers. We all have to work the next day. So and and many of us have to be at work by I have to be at work by 7:25. I mean, right? And sometimes I travel today, the next agenda or to cut off public hearings, you continue. I think the purpose was also if you have a public hearing that went on for an hour and a half, you don't close a public hearing if people want to speak. You can stop a hard stop at 8:30 citing the 9:00 policy. So, I don't I don't think you get rid of it. It's up to the board. But I don't I say I don't think we need another vote because someone brought it to our attention. I think I I think it's okay that he brought it to our attention and I think you explained it well enough. You know that you know sometimes the things happen you know and it's it's Thank you for for bringing it to our attention. It happens. I don't know what I was going to say. Mr. Boyd with an L and a L and a Y and a O and a D Y and a D. Boy, you voice the reason. So, we're not going to change it. We're going to leave it as a hard stop policy. Something that, you know, we'll try to do and if we don't do What you think about the hard stop and just as a as a general guidance? No, because then it, you know, then it automatically makes makes it flexible and it gets pushed. Be flexible, man. Come on. Can I just say something? In general, anything you write or anything you say, someone can pick apart it and say that you're an error. You can make it a

change. I mean, I Yeah, I can see this daily, you know, in any environment that I'm into in a new setting. So, I mean, you know, I think it's okay the way we have it occasionally. There's going to be an exception to that rule that we have. We're going to go beyond 9:00. I don't mind occasional, but when we start talking 10, 10:30, 12 and I'm, you know, that's got to be here run late. I don't think we should do like don't have a hard stop for that meeting. like it's it's being but I'm going to be prepared for that because I know that's happened and I'm going to bring my coffee and I'm going to try to get a little extra nap in. All right. So, we're going to leave it as it is because I mean everybody in my opinion so many people got think you know like you said no matter what we do it's always going to be a lot before the meeting. No matter what we do this is how you should do it. So, we're going to leave it. We all agree we leave it as it is. Am I right? Yes. Okay. That's it. Max, do we have Okay. No. Uh, board committee me. You have anything you want to tell us? Committees we've been to and Oh. Oh. Uh. Uh, we do have a fair housing event. Um, we can use the public to talk about that. Um, you want to explain it? Uh, we have a fair housing event on April the 16th. It's called a fair housing forum where is uh tenants and landlords and the judges of hope. bunch of people get together and we talk about fair housing issues in the city of Hudson and the county itself. I also have some signs that if you would take one and put in your yard, it was amazing that I got so many people saying no. But but it's anformational event for landlords and tenants and it's done through the housing advisory uh task force task force. It's a great thing. It's held at the

firehouse in Albany. I mean in the hot center street on the 16th at uh I think he's asking for people to come at 5:30 5:30. Okay. So that's one thing. Okay. Now we're going to do esco. We're going to let Jean take over the floor for es I was asking can we bulk this up into a I was asking can we make this like a sort of omnibus uh motion for all of those? Yeah, absolutely. That's what I thought. Yeah, just warm like you can. It's up to you. It's up to you. You don't have do if you just so G knows, we did straighten out the Colorado plan. It was going in the wrong and it was approved to pay those bills last month. Yeah. So, do we have to do a revote on the change? I think so. if the treasur requires it. I mean, has the treasur said you need a revote? No, we we we noticed it. We noticed the error and I asked and we all made a change. So, we just as a replacement Yeah, if it's clear. Okay. But I don't know if it was paid by us or it was paid by HCA or I think you should take vote because I did write an email and tell you because that resolution will replace your prior vote and then if that if that's not right, you have to vote again. Yeah. Well, the whole straighten out.

So, I think we should go ahead. Okay. Martin Buddhist dated 425 $10,12 Rodenous and Chile dated 44125 $4,64.50 a motion to Wait a minute. How about the other one that we corrected? We don't have to do it. No, we just agreed that just appeals and then they'll correct us if it needs to be corrected. No, it's going to somebody else. Yeah, it's going to be You just got to make sure we have to correct the bill. You authorized. Well, you would need you would need to correct the bill in front of you. You already authorized the original bill. So if the clerk's the treasur's office requires a corrective bill, we can vote next month. Otherwise, it's up to the treasurer of whether or not it gets paid. Like she's the she's the gatekeeper. I know. But can't just approve this corrected bill. You have Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Then add that to the motion. Yes. Set a motion. The current one. All right. So, you want to do a motion on the current bill. Oh, and the corrected one. All right. The correct one will be Martin Lutters 3525 for $12,135.50. Yeah, that was a bill we did last month and it had a a mistake. There was a bill that correct. This is okay. So, we need a motion. Now, we

have a motion to pay the bills. I make a motion that the bills be paid appropriately. [Music] Second all in favor [Music] esro will count down something's not right I just want I was Sorry. You guys voted, but I think you voted. Okay, go ahead. Please let us finish. Wait, there was a motion by Martin second by Patina and there was no vote. I did. I did. Yeah. Was that all in favor? Okay, go ahead. Esprous $4,155. Now, if y'all remember, we gave we we put in a um request a resolution, but I think that resolution said to establish it was well it was we said in replenish we talked about this, right? Okay. So, we sent it to No, it was not February and they haven't addressed that issue. So they have but they know that they can come in at any time to make this balance. Do you make a statement that they got to pay it before Thursday's meeting? Okay. [Music] Yes, sir. Okay. $4,155. I I think the hearing's already been

set. Then we've already released the public hearing and I think that'd be a violation. So I would not I would not do that. Um, good idea, but we're not looking 17 Avenue minus $2,23741. [Music] I believe they need another resolution because they've already paid that $7,000 back in February. So, right now we pay this billus $2,23749. [Music] Do we have a status update with them? They submitted a drainage report. Okay. Without starting to review dragging it, but I'm still waiting on legal document review. We're still waiting to decide properly. Yeah. Which but you guys didn't want to close the public hearing until you got the lady in and what's what's are we aware what the holdup is? They are working with National Grid to straighten out poles and all that stuff in the in for their main site, not not there was a funding issue that they needed the NG deck for. So we gave them the N I mean we were ready to close Secret regardless but they got the NG deck so they were able to go back for fun more funding. That's not what's holding it up. What's holding it up is they stop too. Um they were negotiating with National Grid on the pole relocation out in front of the site and where they're going to put their transformers and all that stuff and how the parking lot what I'm saying is the parking lot I think was so they haven't addressed that issue with us and I'm still waiting on the parking lot access. Okay. So we're going to do that now. Uh they um can I get a motion uh for a resolution to So you can make a

motion or I can you can't do a resolution for you. I'm sorry. It's a motion. So you can do a motion, but I want to be a resolution. Well, I want to be a resolution. Well, then you have to make Okay. Why? Because you've got resolutions are pre-drafted that you review as a board and vote on it. You could do a motion and I can put it in writing like just what you voted on. We want a resolution. So, um, even though we make the resolution now, I mean, if you'd have to make it now, like I'd have to type it out as you talk. Like, I Yes. So, I would need I guess I can read it out loud to you. You don't have it in front of you. Yeah. So, I'd have to read it out loud for each one for you to do a reservation because Okay. Yeah. But don't mind $2,300. If they don't pay it by Thursday, we won't have to do Well, you can, like I said, you can do a motion and just commemorate it in writing and say we voted on it. Just won't be a resolution. Correct. Right. It gives more detail as to what we're asking for. She can turn motion into a resolution. I can turn I can memorialize your motion. As in if you vote to refine it, I mean, it doesn't need to be complicated. you just vote make a motion to replenish um their like the boulevards uh by x amount and that's I mean you're just replenishing you don't need a lot of detail. Okay. So I make I make a motion boulevard replenished by 7500. So I do say 5,000 above that short 7200 7500. Yeah 7500

second. Thank you very much for all you have to uh in your house. You have to uh you have to call in favor. Everybody all in favor. Is it? Any oppos? Any oppos? No. Any extensions? The motion passes 601 street bar $860 in the They're sure $846. They are completely done. I've got to write a letter basically saying we've addressed all their outstanding items. Can you uh uh no sidewalks are so? Nope. I'm still waiting and I've never gotten it. So they're not ready. So they're they're minus 800 800 city. They need a sidewalk in the city. Yeah, because the city bucks there. It's the city completed sidewalk. It's the city grant again from the city, right? Because they want it to be like a semicircle. Correct. They're going to cut into the curb. Sorry, I haven't looked at this in a while. I believe they're cutting into the curb in the front. That's city property. They're doing drop. Correct. Right. Pushing the sidewalk into the site, you know, use the sidewalk as the outlet or inlet cuz they're going they're going to do one of those U-T the common council has to vote. They have to you're going to have to have the mayor sign. I mean, it's Andy's going to

have to work with it. Yeah. I mean, it's going to take me 15 minutes. It's short. No, I mean if you make it 5,000 that eight comes out,000 is bought at least of 5,000 to do what they got to do. No, this is a different one. This is 601. I'm sorry. Y got $800 left in RP that they're negative. Right. I've got to write a letter saying address all things bucks there. I have to write a letter, review the easement, write a sign off letter, send it to Andy, make sure that Andy gets it signed, and then write another sign off letter. I say 15 for you and [Music] 50, right? Okay. Can I get a motion to do the motion? So, how much00? All in favor? I Okay, next one is I Okay, what's next? One more. 8 10 I have a talk. There's a lot of work that needs to be done. Somebody's putting on [Music] wind. I would say it's

this is this is the one that's building the three town homes. And I mean I have to follow that up there. There was no back to Craig. So, I talked to Craig, oh god, a month ago. I have to call him again because I they they're saying they're in a PPD, like a plan unit, a PUB planned unit development district. So, when I called Craig, I was like, Craig, what are the what are the conditions of the plan unit development district? This predates him and he didn't like he had he was looking into it. So, I had to call Craig again to just follow back up. I mean he was busy visas but we sent them back to Craig because even their denial was different on the denial they said one family unit really three three so they didn't think a preop meeting with him and it didn't match than he thought it was because what they he didn't like he did a preop without documents right and then when they submitted the documents they didn't match the pref so also seeker it doesn't matter since he denied it and it came back to Yeah, it's not that they have to go back to Craig. It's more that they have to go back to me. I talked to the attorney or their engineer about getting all the secret documents except they did submit some. They submitted some, but not what I need. I get the like it's not everything I need because I need to know how many units were originally approved. They said it was x amount of units. I'm sorry, I don't know off top of my head. It had to spend like a month and a half. 20 and then that 24 were going to be approved after. I have to look. But for these reasons, we have to it's there's going to be a lot of before they come back from the planning board, there's going to be a lot of offline meetings to get make sure they're even planning boards ready to look at because what the zoning that applies is unclear and currently and where they are in Seeker is unclear whether or not you could reaffirm or whether you're going to have to redo Seeker on like it's going to have to come up to standard like storm water for example, but that doesn't Well, that's what I was saying like that and now all their plans were like 10 years ago. So they have to update They submitted a full set of plans for their

buildings themselves. We've done a full review of it. It's legal. It's legal, but there's legal issues outstanding issues. And it really was only here once. Yeah. Yeah. They're not ready to become active for you. I mean, until until I figure out with Craig what zoning he is going to apply when they will get Amy involved and what zoning we want to apply. That's that's the biggest question. Step one, figure out what the PUB is because right now they don't need the zoning and they're saying this is a new application and the city attorney in 2008 or 2001 said you have to come back before the planning board for a permit for these times. So that it specifically says that in writing. They're saying I thought you should grandfa in like the authority of the Absolutely. If you look at the so a planned a planned unit development district is how they would be grandfathered in. So that is a legal proceeding that they do with the common council to pass a law that covers the zoning. So like a planning development district could be like oh we want worker housing so we're going to allow a high density in this limited area and need to find the bound to the zoning. This isn't on zone nor is it in the zoning code so I can't find it either. And when I spoke to Craig, he hit it off on the top of his head. So I have to speak to him again. We got to straighten out maybe with the city attorney. There should be legal documents that define all the requirements boundary of it, what's allowed and not allowed in that PUB. It's a local law that it follows local law procedure. There needs to be hearings. There needs to be I mean it's a big process. Okay. The only comment was we we wanted a changing plan also because they're now existing homes there. So they have to do it in a way that's not gonna destroy. In essence, that's going to be an easy one because it's just building a home. So there's no different than building a single family home. No, they're not building roads or anything like that. Okay. My question is if we impose escro, we already did pay

it. Um, we did, but they didn't uh Yeah, I think they did. Well, I'm looking because they paid bills. I'm looking at the March. No, go back to January. November. Go ahead. I spent time on this. I had to go through all the documents in April. They had zillion dollars at So February. No, we sent them a letter to establish I think back in because they have to esate though too. It is new like these. Oh yeah, they're going to put a full house. Again, these are taxed homes, but they still have to excavate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're connects and it's a full review that you that they're not grandfathered in by any means. So, they never establish that. Well, you establish it was 10 or 25,000. give a bit. What you think? Well, I mean, and frankly, until they pay escrow, I we're not going to really move forward with applications. I really think we should because that's the only way they're going to pay because if they can get your service and pay it later, then they'll do that. I have not submitted the review letter because I didn't know, right? They have no money in that account. They never address. They don't have a beginning 25,000. Okay. So, um, so we got through that. Okay. Something came up today and I will bring it to the board about minutes. I think it's fair that I bring it to everybody here. Why Linda wasn't

on? I don't know. She should have been on and she's not. Okay. I can send her the her. I said um uh one of the things that you want are we still on? Yeah, we're still okay. The meeting is still open. So the meeting you have to keep like until you were joining the meeting and we'll stay right. One of the things that was enacted I sent it to everyone. I forwarded to another council and that we at the public hearing from Kuso which is Thursday we allow people to talk for five minutes and I address the issue send it back but like I said no matter what you say if somebody wants something their way you know it's like oh well I I still think well hey we're addressing number one this is not the first public hearing that we had for this been since 200 what nine uh 16 16 and 17 and this is not the first one we've had seven we did want to have this one but we did we were kind of forced to so we're having a couple this is not a situation where we have not for the last two months let everyone write in their comments okay they've all been able to address right now to let People talk for five minutes to me is excessive. Right now our policy is three minutes and if time allows we'll let a person say something else. Everybody knows it. Prepare yourself. So we got this question about it when I responded. Did you get a chance to see my response? I'll be honest. No, I did not. I got some technical problems technology issues. All right.

But you basically said you wanted to do 3 minutes. Keep it at 3 minutes. Keep it at because history has shown us that five minutes 3 minutes was efficient. So I'm bringing it to the board if that's agreed upon because you know um I mean your current policy is 3 minutes with two minutes if time permits additional two minutes of speaking. I'm fine with leaving it as that. And not every public hearing, you know, it doesn't set for every public hearing. It just sets it for this one that we've had seven times. So that is your policy for every public hearing. Well, you know, we have No, when somebody's getting up and they went over smack them. So would you like to you know I just wanted to get your views on it. leave it as three minutes and additional two minutes if if necessary after and I'm definitely in agreement with that three minutes I think you know is fair enough and then give extra you know if there's extra time period give an additional two minutes there's going to have a lot you know we expect a few people saying basically same thing well even if it's not the same time Same thing we've had we've given people opportunities to write in and speak before plenty of times in that case. It's not it's been more than three times. It's been more than four times. So I mean also how do I want to nicely too also as a board member as well my time is also precious as well. So um I think it's

it's yes it is. they're not taken as yeah so that has to be taken in consideration and be considerate too. So I think if we have 50 people speaking or 20 people speaking, three minutes is wonderful with an additional two minutes. Right. Okay. You agree with that? You better start. Um I agree with that. All right. So it's fine. Say yes. What do you say? It's everybody. Okay. When you get home, you can you can see my response. Yeah. Um I have a new I have a new phone and my my laptop is on the fritz, but I'm trying to get those issues resolved. Call Joe. We have his number. I Okay. I have to send it to you and and have him put you authenticate. Okay. Oh, okay. I want to ask now Thursday at 6:30 the firehouse. That's Thursday the 10th of April. Am I going to have a call? Will you be there? I unfortunately I cannot make it. All right. How about you guys? I will be there. No, we noticed this public hearing. It's a very public event. Um I I like if you don't have a quum I don't have a quum because he's not going to be there and Kay's not going to be there. We didn't know that until just now. Did when we when we originally voted did you say we originally voted? Yeah. Something came up in the public and so now what do we do? Because we're not you can't hold a public hearing without a form but we have noticed this public hearing. It is. Yeah. But at that time we also had we had

J we have to try to get the the other guy in it would be fair for him to come in the back. Yeah. I mean, so I I'll need to decide right now. You're rescheduling that hearing now before Thursday. I think we need to reschedle because if if Kay can't come and and you need to make that motion, I think tonight you all like I'm not You're right. That's that's the difference is Jenny. It's just this is public hearing. I I just want you guys to make it as In my opinion, you should make this as soon as we contact information. And I've already I think what I said when we originally met too, I I think I had said that a Wednesday would better for me to a Tuesday or Tuesday or Wednesday. I thought we said Thursday was better. my that's my community choir day. But it didn't matter because when you set the date as when I was outruled, I figured I'd do what I needed to to get out to be here. Okay. So, you have to or cannot make Yeah, I can. I mean, you like think about kale. Think about the the vegetable kale. Kale. Okay. So it's family and that cannot come. Okay. So your notice can attend because one of these can do no you have to have an asperson forum. Your goals are very specific on this show. Yeah. that I will say in my opinion it is

better to reschedu now and have a guarantee form in 10 days or so. I make a motion I make a motion to reschedu. So I think you should pick a date now. Oh yes. That's what I'm looking on. I'm looking I'm trying to No, we need the city calendar first. You don't think Wait, we got to make the city calendar and I'm going to get my calendar. The 21st. [Music] See, that's what we was waiting for. Uh see if if everybody's coming in. Yeah, we're still looking for So we're looking at the 24th, right? That's the Thursday. He's coming back. Thanks for helping me out. Oh, you got a city? Why don't Why don't we do Why don't we do the Tuesday? Tuesday. I can always You could always appoint me as an intern. No, that's that's the 20 That's the 22nd. I'm gonna Well, it's going to be like I am today running from Albany to here. Okay. All right. I'm going to be testing out a district. I can do Yeah, I can do I can do I can do the because we're saying this was going to be if we can. Let's do let's let's do I would rather do if you can let's do a Tuesday. I would rather I would rather in all honesty something that I enjoy to do which is still little that gives me a break. I would rather attend. So your notice and also your notice provisions you have to have 10 days for mail to the applicant 5 days in the newspaper. So I mean I'm sure the applicant I mean if you ask the applicant they'll probably wave the 10 day but you're not going to wave the five. I'm not going to be here on the 28th or the 29th. Okay. So, it's got to be the 22nd. Oh,

so it's so do the 22nd. 22nd is a Tuesday. I have to ask Victoria. I have another plan for I don't know because um that's not 10 days. What's going on? So, you're seeing on the planning board. Yeah, I see. I did. Sorry. No, no, we can't do the 22nd because it has a parking study um at 6 p.m. What fire? No. Oh, at fire. Oh, I have to We can't You know what? We got to contact the fire. Find out. How about the 29th? Yeah. And then you could always somebody said they can't do the can only do next month. Yeah, you could do maybe the first week of May. Let's do it next. But I strongly suggest you do it before your next meeting if possible just to give chairness to collect in the public. So our next meeting would be [Music] including the Thursday. May 1st Thursday. Yeah. Can you guys do May 6th? I open inventory is open April. May 6th. I'm not going to be here. Well, I'm just I've been here the 29th of April. Well, I'm not going to be act, you know, you'll get a quum without me. Fine. Can't have a meeting without you, sir. Yes, you can. No, you chair. You can chair. We have a chair. Yeah, but you need four members. So, if you want, two, three, four, do it. And you have to guarantee and I know I don't have any uh I don't

have any 29th. I'm not going to be here on the 29th. Well, that's better. Yeah. Either way, I can I can share. It doesn't matter. So, your mine is up is up now. 29th. 29th for the sixth. The sixth is fine. Let's do the six where there's no there's nothing on my calendar. The six. We're going to we're going to pick two days because we got this be enough time. Yeah, we're going to pick two days because he's right. We can't give him two days to do that. We're going to pick two days right now. She's going to check with the fire department for those two days. You have to motion to you have to schedule the public hearing now. Like so make the six. You're gonna do it the sixth on the 29th or two days. You just don't know what location it's going to be. I think I Yeah, I think you should pick a date and time and then say depend and then change like location to be announced. Location to be announced. That's fair. But then yes, but I would do you can't pick two dates cuz that is confusing to Okay. So May May 6. No, May 6 or April or April 29th. It loves one to you. April 29th. Uh, Mespril 29th for me. No, I was just trying to get it all in the same month. This doesn't happen. Lori, we got a babys. That's what I was thinking. Lawyer I'm running from may you know you can resign when you become here. Exactly. Santa Claus kind of look at that mean.

So what are we doing here? May 6. At what time guys? The same time. 6:30. 6:30. 6:30. And is bringing the coffee at [Music] 6:30 to address location. Thank you. Thank you. I'll um find out where is this new member and what's happening with him if he's still on the board and maybe we'll have another member. Yeah, hopefully we will. Yeah, we do. Okay. So, May 6 at at um Okay. And that's unfortunate, but it's okay because we're human. So, if things come out for something can be done and everybody else, the public is human too. And if they served on boards, we do the same thing. Yeah. So what we did we have a member that's instead of you know and you have a conflict with you and no contract Victoria she have a conflict because she's she wants she No but neither of us have a conflict. So, it's going to be May 6, 2025 at 6:30 p.m. to be determined and and the location will be determined. Yeah. All right. So, can we can we Okay. What do we need now to All right. So, cancel this. So, okay. You're going to ready. We're going to make a motion to reschedu the hearing that is scheduled for April 10th at 6:30 for the Colorado application to May 6th at 6:30 at a location to be determined. So I make a

motion to reschedu the meeting that was going to be held at the firehouse on the public so the public meeting on the public hearing to be held on April 10th on April 10th to May 6th at 6 p.m. at 6:30 uh location to be announced all uh do I have a second? I will second that to reschedu the meeting to do all in favor. All in favor? I Any opposed? [Music] Okay. So, can we still Can I make a motion to uh Yes. When is the council meeting? It's next week. No, no, we can't do that because we don't have the May calendar. Matter, right? It doesn't matter. We're not doing it here. No, it doesn't matter. We're not doing it here. So attend any meeting that's happening here. Well, it wouldn't it wouldn't matter if he was the meeting. Oh, I have the first Monday. You may have to meet Monday. Is it the first? The first Monday and the council meeting is is it Tuesday the Tuesday? Is it Tuesday week after Monday? Yeah. Tuesday after board meeting. That's right. That's how people move. Second Tuesday, correct? So the

six is the first Tuesday on that. Yes. Okay. Nothing's happening there. Exactly. We got to do just uh just to announce from Linda. How do we know the application? They did. Yeah. Who did? How do you know? I didn't get that email. Tell No, tell Linda to forward that to me, please. Yeah. She literally just got it. Okay. Cuz I don't have it. Just before it to the pling. I don't see it. Yeah, she'll record it. Okay. Also, we don't have internet here. I only have my phone. Okay. So, when she You think she Okay. Well, I do. So, she would call me that. So, when you get a chance to not Okay. So, anything else? All right. Can I get a motion to adjourn the meeting at what time? 6:20 and 8:20. 8:19. Did it count? I'm sorry. I think I'm saying it right. All in favor? I. Any oppose? Okay. The meeting is call. I got I got to shut I got to shut it down. Then by color.