Council Meeting - Regular Meeting

Chair Okimoto: ALOHA GOOD MORNING.

. TUESDAY, MARCH 31, 2026. TIME IS 100 4:00 A.M. COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ON PLEASE COME TO ORDER. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE,EL MEMBERS PRESENT IN THE CHAMBER TODAY. EXPLIETS CHAIR NISHIMOTO, COUNCIL CHAIR WATERS, COUNCILMEMBERS TULBA, CORDERO AND FLOOR LEADER KIA'AINA. ALL NOAA REMOTE OCIAL TESTIMONY IS BE BE BEING PERMITD REGULAR IN PERSONAL MEETING NOT REMOTE MEETING BY INTERACTIVE CONFERENCE TECHNOLOGY UNDER HAWAII REVISED STATUTES SECTION 9 9 2-3.7. THEREFORE, MEETING WILL CONTINUE NOTWITHSTANDING HAS OF LOL LOSS OF AUDIO-VIDEO COMMUNICATION WITH REMOTE TESTIMONIES OR LOST OF PUBLIC BROADCAST OF THE MEETING. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY ON ALL ITEMS ON AGENDA IN TWO WAYS. IN PERSON COUNCIL CHAMBER AND REMOTELY VIDEO CONFERENCE OR PHONE. REMOTE AND IN PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY WILL BE ALLOWED WHEN EACH AGENDA ITEM IS TAKE UP. BEFORE TESTIFYING EACH PERSON SHALL STATE TH THEIR NAME EACH SPEAKER MAY NOT HAVE NAINOA ET CETERA ELLICE READ THEIR I AM E'O STATEMENT AND LIMITED TO DO ONE-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON EACH ITEM. BOTH ENGLISH AND HAWAIIAN ARE OFFICIAL LANGUAGES OF THE STATE OF HAWAII, PURSUANT O ARTICLE 15 SECTION 4 OF THE HAWAII STATE CONSTITUTION AND SECTION 1-13 OF THE HAWAII REVISED STATUTES, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY TESTIFY IN EITHER LANGUAGE. FOR ORAL MANY ITS OFFERED IN OLELO I WOULD, TESTIMONIES, ADDITIONAL TIME AS MAY BE NECESSARY, WILL BE ALLOWED FOR THE TESTIFIER TO PROVIDE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THEIR TESTIMONY. ALL PERSONS REGISTERED TO TESTIFY IN PERSON WILL BE CALLED UPON FIRST. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE COME UP TO THE O TESTIFIER PODIUM. PERSON IS NOT REGISTERED GIVEN OP OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY MANY FOLLOWING REGISTERED TESTIFIERS. AFTER NO PERSON TESTIMONY, HAS CONCLUDE, I WILL PROCEED TO REMOTE TESTIMONY.

EL VIDEO CONFERENCE OR PHONE. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE MONITOR YOUR SCREEN AND FOLLOW THE PROMPTS TO UNMUTE. FOR THOSE JOINING US BY TELEPHONE ONLY,EL PLEASE PRESS STAR 9 TO IF YOU WISH TO TESTIFY. AND I WILL IDENTIFY YOU BY THE LAST THREE DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER. WHEN YOB IS CALLED, LISTEN FOR THE PROMPT TO UNIMMUNITY PRESS STAR 6. UNMUTE. FRIENDLY REMINDERS AND TIPS VIDEO CONFERENCE FROM QUIET LOCATION IF POSSIBLE. IF YOU'RE ALSO WATCHING PROCEEDINGS ON OLELO, PLEASE MUTE YOUR TELEVISION AT THE TIME YOU ARE CALLED TO TESTIFY. TIMER ON SCREEN REACHES ZERO, PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS PROMPTLY. WRITTEN TESTIMONIES INCLUDING TESTIFIER'S ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLICEL AS DESCRIBED ON POSTED AGENDA. EL AS COURTESY PLEASE TURN OFF OR SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF T THE MEETING. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM IF UB 1 FOR ACTION. BILL 82026, CREATE A FUND TO RECEIVE AND EXPEND MONIES TO SUPPORT THE FIRE PREVENTION ACTIVITIES. INN MORNING WITH US DEPARTMENT OF HONOULIULI FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE BATTALION CHIEF FISH AND WANG. CRIER HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. ALOHA GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE CARRY. OKAMOTO VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO. AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M BATTALION CHIEF WANG WITH THE HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. EL HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY IN SUPPORT OF BILL 8. AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. MEMBERS ANY IT ASK QUESTIONS? FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? THANK SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. SEEING NO QUESTIONS, WE'LL NOW PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU PROCEEDING ON REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLERK ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, IT THERE ARE NONE.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER TESTIMONY, MEMBERS WE'RE THIS DISCUSSION. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS BILL 8, 2026, BE REPORTED OUT FOR SECOND READING AND SCHEDULING PUBLIC HEARING. FURTHER DISCUSSION? OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. ER GRENNED JEOPARDY ITEM NUMBER 2. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 2. RESOLUTION 26-36 ┘ THIRTY-SECOND YEAR ACTION PLAN. APPROVING THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU'S THIRTY-SECOND YEAR ACTION PLAN FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIPS, EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANTS, AND HOUSING TRUST FUND PROGRAMS AND AUTHORIZING ITS SUBMITTAL TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FROM STATION AND DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY SERVICE DIRECTORRER ANTON KRUCKY. GOOD MORNING. DIRECTOR KRUCKY.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING BUDGET CHAIR IT ANTON KRUCKY DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE. HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DIRECTOR KRUCKY. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. Councilmember Kia'aina: I DO HAVE COMMENTS. CHAIR, YOU COULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT I WAIT FOR DISCUSSIONS. Chair Okimoto: OKAY. WE CAN SAVE FOR DISCUSSION. TAKE TESTIMONY FIRST. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU DIRECTOR KRUCKY. NOW PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONIES IN THE CHINA BERHOW COUNCIL CHAMBER. IN-PERSON TESTIFIER FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU REPRODDING WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. MEMBERS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. EL COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA.

Councilmember Kia'aina: THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND THANK YOU TO BOTH DIRECTORS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE AS WELL ASE AS BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES FOR PROVIDING INFORMATION SINCE OUR LAST BRIEFING ON THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROGRAM. EL INCLUDING SOME OF THE HISTORY OF FUNDING NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. I STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE THAT THIS IS OUR SIXTH YEAR. SO I'M HOPING BEFORE WE FINISH OUR TERMS, BOTH ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS US, THAT WE COULD STRENGHTHEN THE PROGRAM ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TIMELINESS FOR CERTAIN PROGRAMS SEEMS TO BE IMPEDIMENT WHY A LOT OF NONPROFITS MAY NOT BE FUNDED. SO THAT WE COULD GET THERE. I HAD-HONORED HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE HUD OFFICE AND I SAID THAT 30 YEARS AGO I WAS SO PROUD OF THE CDBG PROGRAM. I USED TO DIRECT A LOT OF NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHEN I WAS IN DC, TO IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO VIBRANT. AND SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I DON'T HAVE THAT SENSE OF VIBRANCY. NOT TO SAY THAT THERE AREN'T GOOD PROGRAMS BEING ADMINISTERED, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PRIOR TO THE IT ADMINISTRATION, THERE HAS BEEN A SHIFT IN THE CITY WHEREBY A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED MOSTLY SIT AND I STILL HAVE CONCERN OVER THAT SO I WANTED TO RELAY THAT. EVEN IF SOME NONPROFITS ARE IF YIFYOU HAD FUNDED FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHEN IT COMES TO HAWAII ISLAND, KAUAI, AND MAUI, MAJORITY OF THEIR CDBG FUNDS FOR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. SO ALL I'M ASKING IS FOR A TIME OF REFLECTION. AND IF THERE ARE CHALLENGES ON WHY WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PIVOT,

THEN LET'S ADDRESS IT HEAD ON. IN CONCERT WITH HUD. I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY'S PARAMETERS FOR IMPLEMENTING IT ACTUALLY MORE STRINGENT THAN HUD. AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE BECAUSE THIS PROGRAM IS SUCH THAN THAT IT SHOULD BE FLEXIBLE. THAT'S ALL. DIRECTORS AND ADMINISTRATION. THAT I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK ON LOOKING AT WHO IS FUNDED FOR PUBLIC SERVICE PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS PROPERTY ACQUISITION. AND WHILE THERE SEEMS TO BE A A FOCUS ON HOUSING, HOUSING ACQUISITIONS SOMETIMES ARE QUITE COMPLICATED. AND HAVE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS. AND THE PARAMETERS OF CDBG IS FAR GREATER THAN THAT. IT'S BROADER. AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS THAT THAT WILL ALL OF-WON'T HAVE ALL OF THOSE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS. COMMIT TO BEING HERE TO BE ABLE TO O MOVE THIS PROGRAM FORWARD. AND TO SEE THAT WE SO WHAT WE CAN DO TO INCREASE THE TOTAL ALLOTMENT OF DOLLARS GOING TO THEING NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIA'AINA. CORDERO. Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. DID IMENT HAVE IN QUIST FOR THE DIRECTOR MUCH QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR. INFLATE INSIGHT, IT COME UP I HAVE SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE. THANK YOU CHAIR.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU AGAIN. HI DIRECTOR KRUCKY. I REMEMBER BACK IN 2014, WHEN CITY ADD COUNTY OF HONOLULU ACTUALLY, ADMIN USED TO TESTIFY ON THAT SIDE, AND THEY WOULD SAY THAT WE WERE AT RISK OF WITH OUR ESG, HOME FUND AND CDBG FUNDS, AND WHETHER OR NOT HOW WE SHOULD HANDLE THOSE FUNDS. AND I JUST WARD AVENUE WANT KNOW THE PLANHERE, HOW WE T ARE THE SPECIFIC DEADLINES CITY HAS TO FEEL DEAL WITH HUD S WELL AND HOW WE ARE ABLE TO DISBURSE FUNDS BETTER THAN THAT WAY. IF THAT DETERMINES HOW WE ARE DISBURSING SUCH CDBG FUNDS. SO INN TERMS CDBG, WE DESCR A ANNUAL DATE THAT WE NEED TO MEET FOR TIMELINESS. PREVIOUSLY ACE STARTED INTO THIS JOB, WE WEREN'T MAKING TIMELINESS. AND SO WE PIVOTED. WE HAVE SOME LEGACY, PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL IN THERE. THAT I THINK THINGS THAT COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA WAS RELATING TO WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT PARKS AND STUFF. ALREADY INVESTED IN THOSE. WE'RE TRYING TO WIND THOSE DOWN. AND THEN AS WE WIND THEM DOWN, WE CAN CLEAR OFF OUR DOCK HES OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THERE FOR A FEW YEARS. BUT SINCE THAT TIME, 3 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE WERE GRI GRIT BRINGING UP SHELTERS AND SINGLE SHELTERS WE DIED DECIDED THEY'RE WED NEEDED TO SOME SORT OF BED ARRANGEMENT THAT WE NEED FAMILY SHELTERINGS. WENT TO WAHIAWA AND PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY. THEN WE LEASE IT TO FAMILIES PROMISE FOR VERY LITTLE. UNARE A FAMILY SHELTER THERE. AND THEN WE ALSO DONE MULTIPLE PROJECTS NOW WHERE THE ORGANIZATIONS BOUGHT THE BROUGHT PROPERTIERS FOR THEMSELVES. MIXTURE OF GOOD AND BAD WITH THAT. WHERE IF WE BUY THE PROPERTY, ANDEL ORGANIZATIONS ISN'T USING THE PROPERTY, PROPERLY, WE CAN CHANGE THE USE OF THE

PROPERTY. SO THAT WE MEET THE GUIDELINES AND NATIONAL GUIDELINES THAT HUD HAS. IF THEY BUY IT GOING TO RUN IT AND TH TALK THAT RESPONSIBILITY. WE'RE ALSO WINDING DOWN SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS RELEASE THEM FROM THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES. BUT IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINESS FOR THE PROGRAM, I THINK THE ONE BIG THING THAT WE'RE ADD TO GO TO ITEL AT TO GO IT LATE? GETTING MONEY. AND LATE IN GETTING MONEY, FROM HUD, THE AUTHORIZATION LEFT US NOT ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE TR TRANSACTIONS WE WANT TO DO. LOOKING AT FRONTING MONEY ACE CITY WAITING FOR THAT MONEY TO COME IN. SO WE HAVE THE TIME TO FINALIZE THIS TRANSACTION. I THINK THAT IS BLNR A IMPROVEMENT ON ATTITUDE IF YOU WILL. TO GET THIS DONE. AND BE EFFICIENT IN THE TIMELINESS. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU.

Councilmember Cordero: IN ADDITION TO HOW THE CDBG FUNDING ARE RECEIVED AND THEN EXPENDED, THE BIGGEST THING THAT I ALWAYS WATCHED WAS REGARDING OUR TIMELINESS. SO IFORTS AND STEPS THAT YOU DISCUSSED AND OUR CLOSING OUT ON THOSE PROJECTS. ARE GOOD TO HEAR. AS WELL AS I KNOW IT'S REFLECTED IN THE PLAN AS WELL. MAHALO FOREL HIGHLIGHTING THAT. @THANK YOU CHAIR OKAMOTO.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. MEMBERS ANYEL FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KRUCKY? THANK YOU DIRECTOR KRUCKY. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-36 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. MOVER OGBU TON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. RESOLUTION 26-55. AUTHORIZES TRANSFER NOT TO EXCEED $1 MILLION IN HIGHWAY FUND MONIES WITHIN THE INVESTIGATION ACTIVITYEL FROM THE SALARIES, CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE TO THE CURRENT EXPENSES CHARACTER TESTIFIER EXPENDITURERD PHO FISCAL YEAR 6 TO ENABLE HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT PURCHASE P25 PORTABLE RADIOS TO HELP MAINTAIN PUBLIC ORDER AND ENSURE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. WITH US THIS MORNING HAVE HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT, MAJOR RYAN HIRONAKA. GOOD MORNING MAJOR.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING BUDGET CHAIR OKAMOTO. BUDGET VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO. CHAIR WATERS. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. IRON RESOLUTION 26-55. MOVE MILLION DOLLARS AND HIGHWAY FUNDS FROM THE INVESTIGATIONS SALARIES CHARACTER TESTIFIER ENGTSZ PND TOUR TO THE CURRENT EXPENSE CHARACTER. ER OF EXPENDITURE AND THESE FUND ALSO BE IE USED TO BUY PORTABLE RADIOS P25 PORTABLE RADIOS CURRENTLY DEPARTMENT HAS ONGOING PROJECT REPLACE ALL OF ITS PORTABLE RADIOS. WHICH IS GING TO TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 2500 RADIOS AT THE END OF THE PROJECT. SO FISCAL YEAR 26 RELAYS PLACED ABOUT HALF OF THEM AND REPLACED ABOUT HALF OF THEM. BUYING RADIOS OFF MASTER AGREEMENT. EVEN THOUGH PRICEY, ABOUT $6,000, ABLE TO BUY THEM IN BULK AS FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE. DON'T HAVE TWO THROUGH THE NORMAL WORK POSITION PROCEDURES. SO AS FUNDS COME AVAILABLE, ISSUE WITH BEEN ABLE TO BUY THEM LITTLE BY LITTLE. INOUYE, WE CALCULATED NOW. CALCULATED FISCAL YEAR HIGHWAY FUNDS P PERTAINS TO THE TRAFFIC DIVISION ARER, GOING TO LAPSE APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION IN SALARIES. AND WINDSHEAR UNABLE TO MOVE THOSE FUNDS IN GENERAL FUND. WE'RE UNABLE. HAVE TO CITY WITHIN THE HIGHWAY FUND. SO, WE WANT TO MOVE A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUY THE RADIOS. AND THAT WOULD ALL THE OFFICE ARE ISSUED RADIOS THAT WOULD COVER ISSUE RADIOS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THE TRAFFIC DIVISION AND OFFICE IN GENERAL, THEY CONDUCT HIGHWAYEN FORBESMENT. AT GIVEN TIMES. AND WITH THAT, I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. HIGHWAY ENFORCEMENT.

Chair Okimoto: QUESTIONS FOR THE THE DEPARTMENT? I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SHARED YOU MENTIONED 2500 RADIOS TOTAL THAT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S I GUESS PLANNER NEED. YOU SAID HOW HALF THEM WOULD BE REPLACED. WHAT IS THE LIFE SPAN OF THESE RADIOS?

Testifier: MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT'S ABOUT 7 YEARS. CURRENT RADIOS HAVE REACHED THEIR END OF LIFE. WHILE THEY'RE STILL WORKING. PORT IT'S AND SERVICE BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT. SO AS THEY BREAK, UNREPLACEMENT OFABLE AND EVEN THOUGH RADIO COULD A LOT OF TESTIMONY COMBS TO SERVICING OF THE ITEM. COMES IT SERVICE. RADIO COULD LAST A LOG HRO*R LOT LONGER IF IT DOES BREAK, REPAIRING IT CAN BECOMES PROBLEMATIC AND PARTS WILL BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE. Councilmember Okimoto: DO YOU HAVE ANNUAL PROGRAM OF THESE --

Testifier: I DON'T RECALL. WAIT FOR THE 7 YEARS TO LAPSE THINK DON'T RECALL THE LAST TIME RADIOS EXACTLY REPLACED. SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO RATHER THAN GOING PIECEMEAL, THEY IN-PERSON TESTIFIER JUST HAVE ONE PLATFORM THAT IS USED. THAT WAY, THERE IS A FORMBY PARTS FOR PARTS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ONE TYPE OF RADIO AS OPPOSED TO HAVING DIFFERENT PARTS WHERE DIFFERENT RADIOS DIFFERENT YEARS. Chair Okimoto: OKAY. ONE FINAL QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT, TAKING IT FROM THE HIGHWAY FUND. BECAUSE OF THE $2 MILLION LAPSE. IN SALARIES. AND THESE WILL BE USED FOR THOSE PEOPLE OFFICE WHO AREEL YOFERLS PATROL ON THE HIGHWAY. EL ONLY FOR THAT AREA IS BECAUSE FUNDING COMES FROM?

COME FROM THE POOL OF RADIOS. ENCOMPASSES THEM AS WELL. IN TERMS OF USING THE MONIES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FUNDS ARE USED FOR ASPECTS REGARDING TPRA*FRBG TRAFFIC ACTIVITIES WHAT NO. THAT COVERS ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. WHOSE MISSION IS NOT SPECIFICALLY TO DIVISION. WE DO ENFORCE LAWS, HANDLED NBC OR WHATNOT THAT PERTAIN TO HIGHWAYS. Chair Okimoto: OKAY. BECAUSE YOU SAID ABOUT HALF OF THEM NEED TO BE REPLACED. LOOKING AT THIS MILLION DOLLARS FOR 1250 RADIOS?

Testifier: WITH THIS AMOUNT, PRICE WENT YOU. FROM OUR INITIAL CALCULATIONS FISCAL YEAR '26. ABLE TO ABLE BITE FULL AMOUNT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BUY. WE WEREN'T A TO BUY THE FULL AMOUNT. EL COST WAS $6,210. IN RECENT PURCHASES, IT'S ABOUT $6,400. SO THAT WOULD, THIS MILLION DOLLARS WOULD PURCHASE APPROXIMATELY 148 UNITS.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MEMBERS PRESENTS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CHAIR RECOMMENDS THAT RESOLUTION 26-55 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. I GET SO -- SORRY. I ALMOST FORGOT TOELEL TESTIMONY. APOLOGIZE. TAKE A STEP BACK. PROCEED WITH NO PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLRKS ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE.

Chair Okimoto: THANK Y YOU. NOW CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-55 BE RAMMINGS REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. FURTHER DISCUSSION OBJECTION OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. ITEM NUMBER 4. 4. RESOLUTION 26-60 ┘ COMMUNICATIONS SITE LEASE AGREEMENT TO T-MOBILE WEST LLC. APPROVING A TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES LEASE AGREEMENT WITH T-MOBILE WEST LLC FOR ITS EXISTING TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITY WITHIN THE HARBOR VILLAGE APARTMENTS, 901 RIVER STREET, HONOLULU, OAHU, HAWAII TMK: (1) 1-7-002:027 I'M GOING TO GO AFTER SCRIPT A LITTLE BIT. SO I DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE. PROCEED WITH TESTIMONY FIRST. SO MEMBERS PROCEED WITH TESTIMONY. CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE FELON SNOOVMENT THANK YOU. SEE NOTHING TESTIMONY, LIKE TO WELCOME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES, DIRECTOR ANDY KAWANO.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING BUDGET CHAIR. CHAIR WATERS. HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBERS. ANDREW KAWANO DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING BFS TO PRESENT OR REQUEST RESOLUTION 26-60. IT'S A FLU NEW LEASE AGREEMENTR EXISTING TIME 2 TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITY. AT THE HARBOR VILLAGE APARTMENTS. THE RENT OR FEE IS IN THE DOCUMENT. TO BE APPROVE BY COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DIRECTOR KAWANO. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? RECALL.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KAWANO I KNOW THAT I ASKED THIS MAYBE LAST YEAR. ABOUT IF HE HAD MASTER AGREEMENT WITH THEEL TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES. SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAYBE RAISE RATES OR RAISE CONSIDER DIFFERENT PROPERTY CHANGES. WITH THE DIFFERENT TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES.

Testifier: COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER AGREEMENT. WE HAVE STANDARD AGREEMENT. WITH REGARD TO ADJUSTING RATES. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION LAND DIVISION TO DO A STUDY. OF TELECOMMUNICATIONSEL LEASE OR LICENSING FEE RATES FOR OAHU. IT'S GOING FOR FAKE A TAKE A WHILE WE HAVEN'T STARTED, THE WORK YES. YET IT'S IN PROGRESS.

Councilmember Cordero: I UNDERSTAND. I KNOW THAT REASON WHY I ASKED MASTER AGREEMENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE DLM AND USE P YOU OVERSEE. BEFORE BUDGET COMMITTEE OFTEN SEE PEOPLE LIKE EMPLET AND V OREL E&VEL WHICH OTHER DEPARTMENT COMES BEFORE US BECAUSE IT'S, WHAT THEY USE TO TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY FOR. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. IF IT WOULD BE EASIER IF IT'S JUST WITH THE PARTICULAR MASTER AGREEMENT WITH PARTICULAR COMPANIES. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? FOR THE DIRECTOR? DIRECTOR, KAWANO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, QUICKLY STATE MINIMUM BOWS PONOING THIS MEASURE. DISCUSS IF FOR THE PUBLIC FLRS REASON FOR IT. I'M GOING TO POSTPONING IT. WITH REQUIRED, PORTION OF DID WE NEED TO PUT IN THE LEASE. THAT'S IN THE BULLET. EXPLAIN THAT. Testifier: I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION AGAIN?

Chair Okimoto: I WAS ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN, I WILL NEED TO POSTPONE IT. AND THERE IS A WHEREAS CLAUSE SENATE MEASURE THAT I NEED TO CONSIDER. AND NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH IT PLACING IT IN THE LET'S LEASE GREAMENT. CLAUSE IS SECOND PAGE, WHEREAS IN ORDER TO PERMIT T-MOBILE WEST TO ENTER INTO A AGREEMENT, FI FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, T-MOBILE WEST REFIRE KAWAO EURED TO EXPEND MORE THAN CAPITAL ASSETS OR RENNE RENNERENOVATION TERM OF THE AGREEMENT OUTLINED IN THE AGREEMENT. Testifier: THE $25,000 CAPITAL INVESTMENT IS I THINK ORDINANCE.

Chair Okimoto: THAT CURRENTLY IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT? Testifier: YES. SHOULD BE. LET ME SEE. IT.

Chair Okimoto: FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THE LANGUAGE IS NOT IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT. DIRECTOR THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS,EL TB PLAN BECAUSE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT. I CAN HAVE MY TEAMWORK WITH YOU AND YOUR DIDN'T MAKE SURE WE OF WE MOVE IT FORWARD TO HAVE IT IN THE AGREEMENT. Testifier: OKAY. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT BEING SAID FURTHER DISCUSSION MEMBERS? THANK YOU. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT ACTION RESOLUTION 26-60 BE POSTPONED TO DATE AND TIME TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CHAIR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE. SO ORDERED. MEMBERS MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. RESOLUTION 26-74. AUTHORIZES IT TRANSFER OF FUNDS UP TO AND AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $616,777,253 IN GENERAL FUND MONIES TRANSFERRED FROM THE PROVISION OF HAZARD PAY ACTIVITY. SALARIES, CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE, IT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICE. TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY ACTIVITY SALARIES CHARACTER OF EDGES EXPENDITURE PENNED TOUR. FOR THE PAYMENT. EXPENDITURE TEMPORARY HAZARD PAY TO ELIGIBLE MEMBERS OF TEAMSTERS. BEFORE WE RECALL CALM ADMINISTRATION, FIRST WELCOME SC CHAMBER OXYCONTIN AND COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. ANY IT IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM.

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING NOW WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY IT REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. MEMBERS NOW WELCOME BACK TO THE PODIUM FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES. S DIRECTOR ANDREW KAWANO.

Testifier: ANDREW KAWANO. DIRECTOR BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES. FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO FURTHER EXPLAIN THIS RESOLUTION. 26-74. SO BASED ON PRIOR DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL, THE ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING ON EQUITY O SETTLEMENT OR PAYMENT OF BENEFITS TO OUR TBUSES U BUS DRIVERS. PART OF THE TEAMSTERS UNION AND SIMILAR TO THE HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO RECALL OFFER I HE EQUITY SETTLEMENT TO THE TEAMSTERS UNION. THROUGH OTS, AND DTS. AND THE AMOUNT WOULD BE NO MORE, NOT TO EXCEED $7,500 PER ELIGIBLER UNION MEMBER. PLUS EMPLOYER PORTION OF THE APPLICABLE PAYROLL TAXES. THE TOTAL AMOUNT P COMING $16,777,253. THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE UNION PRESIDENT. WE DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT YET. ON THE AMOUNT. BUT WE LIKE COUNCIL TO APPROVE MAXIMUM NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT. SO WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE UNION. OUR GOAL IS TO ENTER INTOEL SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU SO MUCH. DIRECTOR. MEMBERS DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KA KAWAN? KIA'AINA THANK YOU. THANK YOU DIRECTOR. FULLY SUPPORT THIS MEASURE. BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THERE WERE SO MANY IS THE I OFFICIALS. CITY OFFICIAL ON THE FRONT LINES AND, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT'S BUS DRIVERS WHERE ARE HEAD OF THE BUS. SO RECALL MAKE SURE THAT IS THISEL MOVES FORWARD BUT I DID HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. WITH REGARD TO THE POTENTIALLY NUMBER WOULD BE HAD 44 STAFF DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY SERVICE FELT THEY FALLEN IN THE CRACKS. I QUERIED AWED OTHERS WITH REGARD TO. QUESTWITH REGARD TO HOW THAT HAPPENED. I DIDN'T HEAR FROM OTHER AGENCIES. SO I'M FEELING IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED UP THE COUNCILMEMBER CHAIN U CHAINOF COMMAND MAY HAVE MISIDENTIFIED WOULD WORKING FULL-TIME TELL WORKING AND WHO WAS WORKING PART-TIME, SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS WORKING ATOLL AT LEAST RESOLVE TO ALLAY CONCERNS OF ANY STAFFER WOULD FEEL THAT THEY MAY BE, INEQUITY BLUE NOTE HAWAII TREATED ININEQUITABLY TREAT THE.

Testifier: MIKE FORMBY. MANAGING DIRECTOR. UPDATE ON THAT. WE ORIGINALLY HAD A I AGREEMENT WITH TRL HGEA HGEA THAT PROVIDE PEOPLE WHO TELEWORKED FULL-TIME WERE INELIGIBLE FOR HAZARD PAY. AT THE TIME WE CAME TO THAT AGREEMENT WITH HGEA. WE HAD A PROCESSEL IN THE PROCESS WAS THAT IF IT WAS ADOPTED IN THE RECORD, THEY WERE FULL-TIME TELL WORKING, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE ELIGIBLE FOR HAZARD PAY. AFTER WHICH WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF POLLING, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, PRIMARILY THROUGH THE ASOS, AS TO WHICH EMPLOYEES HAD BEEN ADOPTED IF TULE TIME TELL WORKERS, DOCUMENT THE, THAT WAS USE IT'S TO PROCESS PAYMENTS. AND AFTER PAYMENTS WERE MADE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES I BELIEVE ABOUT 20 IN D.C. IS THAT CLAIMED IN FACT THEY WERE NOT FULL-TIME TELEWORKERS. SO I'M WORKING WITH DHR. IRP U EXOWPTION ON THAT ISSUE NOW. CORPORATION COUNSEL ON THAT ISSUE NOW. LOOK AT THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH HGEA, IT'S WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT IT IS NOT TIED DIRECTLY TO THE DOCUMENTATION. BUT TIED TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY TELEWORKED FULL-TIME. SO WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS THE AND GOAL OF THE CITY IS TO BE FAIR WITH ALL OF OUR CITY WORKERS. KIA'AINA TERRIFIC I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IF IN FACT THE ASOEL MISREPRESENT THE WHETHER SOMEONE WAS 100% TELL WORK OR PART TIME TELL WORKING THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED, CORRECT?

Testifier: IT WILL BE ADDRESSED. AND MANY SO OF ASOS, I BELIEVE ASO THAT DOCUMENT THE INITIALLY, BRIAN BLUE, NO LONG WITH THE DEPARTMENT. THAT COMPLICATES. Vice Chair Dos Santos TAM. Councilmember Kia'aina: I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES SYSTEMS FOR PROCESSING ARE IMPERFECT. BUT WE NEED TO GET TO THE ROOT OF IT BECAUSE IF SOMEONE WAS IN ERROR, THEN THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR. THANK YOU. Testifier: AGREE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA IF U FURTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIR WATERS.

Councilmember Waters: GOOD MORNING. EITHER ONE OF YOU CAN ANSWERS QUESTION. SO OFFICER HAS BEEN MADE BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?

Testifier: IF I COULD CLARIFY. I SPEAK TO KEVIN HOLU QUESTIONED ON THE PHONE. YES ON THE PHONE. KEVIN UNDERSTANDS THAT HE BASICALLY BY AGREEMENT WITH OTS NEEDS TO DECIDE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THEN MAUI TO THE TEAMSTERS. MONDAY MONEY TO THE TEAMSTERS. FINITEAMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE. $7,500 PER PERSON. THAT IS ELIGIBLE. MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. JUST LIKE ADMINISTRATION WASN'T MANAGERIAL TYPES ARE NOT. SO MANAGEMENT IS NOT ELIGIBLE. WE KNOW NUMBER OF HE WILL ELIGIBLE. HE CAN TAKE THE TOTAL NUMBER AND IF HE WANTS TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO HIS WORKERS LIKE THE FIREFIGHTERS DID,EL ACTUALLY GET PAID FOR THE TIME THAT THEY SERVED, DURING THE 24 MONTH PERIOD. SOME OF THE BUS DRIVERS HANDY-VAN DRIVERS AND MECHANICS WHETHER GET NOR AND THOSE WHO SERVED LESS WILL GET LESS. YOU MIGHT HAVE A BUS DRIVER THAT ONLY WORKED FOR 2 MONTHS DURING THE 24 MONTH PERIOD. AND TEAMSTERS DECIDES LIKE THE FIREFIGHTERS, THEY WANT TO GET TWO MONTHS OUT OF 24. OF THE $7,500 VERSUS FULL AMOUNTED. THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT YES. WHAT KEVIN HOLU DOES KNOW FOR THE PURPOSE OF COUNCIL. PASSING THIS RESO, THEY ARE LIMITED IN THE CAP ON HOW MUCH MONEY THEY CAN GET. WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE PAYROLL TAXES BASE IT'S UPON HOW MUCH THE EMPLOYEES GET. THERE'S A FINE I'D AMOUNT THAT THEY CAN GET. HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE IS UP TO THEM.

Councilmember Waters: FINITE AMOUNT IS 60,00 60,770,0. Testifier: CORRECTION. Councilmember Waters: HEARING YOU DIRECTLY. WORLG WE APPROVE THERE TODAY, AND THEN WOULD WE APPROVE THERE TODAY AND THEN HOW WHEN WILL WE KNOW HOW WHETHER THEY ACCEPTED IT? OR DO YOU THINK THEY ALREADY DID ACCEPT IT, THEY JUST NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT EACH EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO RECEIVE.

Testifier: CORRECT. SO I ASKED CEFERREN HOL YESTERDAY, FIREFIGHTERS HAD A RATIFICATION. KEVIN HOLU. TOLD ME HE DOES NOT NEED TO GET ARE T RATIFICATION OF MEMBE. WHETHER HES CHOOSE TO OR NOT, AGREEABLE TO THE NUMBER. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE GET THE MONEY I OUT SO THEY CAN COME UP DO TO AGREEMENT WITH MEMBERSHIP. AGREES TO THE NUMBER. SENT TO HIM YESTERDAY. I SENT HIM THE MAP FROM THE RESO EXACT AMOUNT, NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, TOTAL AMOUNT. LESS PAY PAYROLL TAXES.

Councilmember Waters: CAPPING IT AT 700 OR UNION CAN DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OVER EMPLOYEE GETS OVER AND ABOVE 7 7500. Testifier: WE'RE CAPPING TOTAL OOMENT OF THE BASTES ON 7500 P PEER. WORKING TOTAL AMOUNT BASED ON 75 7500 PER WORKER. Councilmember Waters: DEFER BENT THROUGH EMPLOYEE BY EMPLOYEE, WE WAS. WILL OF GOD HOW MANY MAUSER AND PAY WAS ADJUSTED ACCORDING TO THAT. HOW MANY HOURS. YOU DID SAY THAT THE, FIRE DEPARTMENT RATIFIED THE AGREEMENT.

Testifier: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DID. I TABIS I HEARD PREMATURE FEEDBACK THEY'RE GOING TO ARE THE RATIFY. ACTUAL RAT IF I CIGS R EDUCATION IS APRIL-RATIFICATION APRIL 2.

Councilmember Waters: 64 MILLION FOR TEAMSTERS OR STEERSTEERM AN FI STEERIES AND FIREFIGHTERS, ANOTHER RESOLUTION L FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS, FOR RESOLUTION REQUIRE FOSHE FOR THE FIRE STAT. ER DANA WANT TO EXPLAIN RATIONALE FOR THAT, SHESES HERE I THINK DANA RESULTING DO THAT? RESULTING DO THAT.

YES? WILLING. SHE MIGHT TELL YOU LEGAL ADVICE. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME REQUIRED TO GET THE MONEY. TO THE FIREFIGHTERS IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN HAVE A VOTE ON APRIL 2. AND IT DID NOT REQUIRE FORMAL COUNCIL ACTION.

Chair Okimoto: OKAY. CORPORATION COUNSEL. DAVEN A WAIOLA. PROVIDED LETTER TO THE COUNCIL ON COUNCILLINGS EXPLAINED RATIONALE. COUNCILMEMBERS. TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, ADMINISTRATION IS ESSENTIALLY PROVIDED THAT NOTIFICATION. THE LEGAL DETERMINATION WAS THERE WAS NO RESOLUTION REQUIRED BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. BECAUSE THERE WHAT'S NO, NOT A SETTLEMENT LIKE WAFFLES RESOLVED WHAT WAS RESOARCHED OTHER REINVOLVED CLAIMS. NO CLAIM AND NO CARAT WAIL CONTL ISSUE FATALITIED IT LIKE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. SETTLEMENT TO DECIERDO SUPPLEMENT AGREEMENT. EL SETTLEMENT AT AGREEMENT DOES NOT NEED, RESOLUTION AND BECAUSE IT'S PROVISIONAL FOR THE HAZARD PAY, HAD ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED AND COUNCIL HAD ALREADY INDICATE THAT THEY WANTED TO COVER, HAZARD PAY FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS AS WELL AS T TEAMSTERS. THIS IS PROPER LEGAL PROCESS.

Councilmember Waters: I SEE. OKAY THANK YOU. HOW MUCH MONEY, DO THE CITY A OWE KATE FOR FIREFIGHTERS? ALLOCATE FOR FIREFIGHTERS? Testifier: $11.7 MILLION. Councilmember Waters: MAY I ASK HOW MANY TEAMSTERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE SETTLEMENT? AND HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE SETTLEMENT? Testifier: ROUGHLY, I THINK NUMBER FOR TEAMSTERS IS IN THERE 2,087 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

Councilmember Waters: FIREFIGHTERS? 2,078? Testifier: Testifier: 2,078 TEAMSTERS, AND THEN FOR FIREFIGHTERS, IT'S BETWEEN A THOUSAND, AROUND A 1,100 AND A THOUSAND 200 OF THE WE HAVE THAT NUMBER. Councilmember Waters: OKAY. GOOD NEWS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT MONEY OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IT FOLKS CAN GET PAID. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ER.

Testifier: LET ME TELL YOU I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL IN ON THIS BECAUSE ACTUALLY WAS COUNCIL THAT PUT FORTH THE RESOLUTION. SO IT RECOMMENDED THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE BUS DRIVERS HANDY-VAN DRIVERS MEXICO AJ IKS AND THRIEFORT. MECHANICS. THA THANK YOU FOR R SUPPORT. AND FIREFIGHTERS. Councilmember Waters: THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR WATERS. I WILL QUICK QUESTION FOR MANAGING DIRECTOR. HI DIRECTORRER BY FOLLOWING UP CHAIR WATERS ASKED MOST OF AM I WE Q HES CHAIR FEW THIS AMOUNT BEING ASKED 16 MILLION, I KNOW THAT IS IT'S NOT SET NUMBER. THERE'S NO CHANKS OF COMING BACK AND SAYING WE KNOW CHANCE. WE NEED TO OFFER MORE? THAT'S NOT GOING TO THIS WILL BE THE MAX?

Testifier: THACKS THAT'S CORRECT IF ANYTHING ARER, THAT'S CORRECT. BASED UPON, SOME OF THE WORKERS NOT BEING DEPENDING HOW THEY CALCULATE SOL WORKER IS NOT ELIGIBLE MIGHT BE MISS HAWAII PRINCESS COMING BEING BAY. NOT GOING TO SEEKS END THAT EXCD THAT CAP. Chair Okimoto: ELIGIBLE BASED ON ADMINISTRATION OR MANAGEMENT AND POSSIBLE TELEWORKS ABOUT WHEN WERE OUT. THAT WAS, WHAT COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA WAS ASKING ABOUT? Testifier: YEAH. SPHWHOOL QUALIFIES ELIGIBLE UNION MEMBER? WHAT DULY U QUALIFIES. Testifier: NONMANAGERIAL. FOR BUS DRIVERS. HANDY-VAN DRIVERS AN MECHANICS, DON'T HAVE TELL WORKING. SO THAT WAS THE TELL WORKING ON ISSUE DIDN'T APPLY TO THE TEAM STEERS.

Chair Okimoto: NOT ELIGIBLE MANAGERIAL. Testifier: ELIGIBLE HAZARD PAY GOVERN GOING GOES TO NONMANE NONMANAGERIAL ARE. Chair Okimoto: $7,500 CAP. YOU DID SAY THAT THAT IS THE MAX. UNION WILL THEN DECIDE WHO GETS MORE OR LESS DEED PENDING ON THEIR WORK? DEPENDING. Testifier: THAT'S CORRECT THEY CAN DISTRIBUTE THAT. HOWEVER THEY WANT TO BUT CAP IS WHAT THEY'RE -- IT.

Chair Okimoto: N NOT HE OVER 7500. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-74 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? OR RESERVATIONS? HARD-OF-HEARING NONE. SO ORDERED. HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. INFORMATIONAL BRIEFING. DISASTER RESPONSE TO THE WEATHER EVENTS INCLUDING FISCAL IMPACT. LIKE TO THANK AGAIN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF MANAGING DIRECTOR MANAGING DIRECTOR MIKE FORM. SORRY SO I DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE AGAIN, QUICKLY TAKE TESTIMONY AND THEN P WHEEL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. EL NOW FIRST PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM.

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLERK ANY REGISTERED OR UNREGISTERED REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. EL TURN THE TIME OVER TO PLANNING DIRECTOR MIKE FORMBY.

Testifier: FOOD MORNING GOOD MORNING. COUNCILMEMBERS. MIKE FORMBY MANAGING DIRECTOR. RECALL FIRST I THING ASK YOU DO WAS NOT USE THE DOCUMENT THAT I DID TRIBTSD YESTERDAY. DISTRIBUTED YESTERDAY. THAT DOCUMENT, WAS IN LARGE PART UNREADABLE DUE TO TAKEN OFF OF WEBSITE. AND WHAT I DID IS I WENT TO WEBSITE AND ACTUALLY WENT LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I COULD FROM COUNCIL. ABOUT WHERE THE ESTIMATED COSTS O ARE GOING. DID IT BY DEPARTMENT. AND SO THE NUMBERS ALSO CHANGED OVERNIGHT. I THINK KONA LOW WENT UP $10 MILLION. THIS IS THE CURRENT I WANT TO JUST EXPLAIN TO YOU WHERE WE'RE AT. BECAUSE A LITTLE BIT UNSTRUCTURED AT THIS TIME. BECAUSE WE'RE SO EARLY IN THE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT. CITY INFRASTRUCTURE PROCESS. FOR DAMAGE ASSESSMENT AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. ARE FEMA, ELIGIBLE. EL VERY FAR ALONG IN THAT PROCESS. WE BEEN WORKING WITH FEMA. BEEN GOING OUT WITH OUR TEAMS IN VANS TO VERIFY LOSSES AND CONFIDENT THAT WE REACHED THE FEMA ELIGIBLE DECLARATION. NUMBER FOR THAT. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CONVERSATION, IS FO POTENTIAL EXPOSURE OF THE CITY, CITY INFRASTRUCTURE LOSSES. AND SO JUST LIKE IN THE BUDGET, THERE ARE POTENTIALLY OPERATING LOSSES AND THEN THERE ARE CIP COSTS. AND TRIED TO BREAK THIS OUT FOUR. ON THE FIRST PAGE. SO THE FIRST PAGE ARE INTERNAL. SORT OF ESTIMATE WHERE WE THINK WE'RE AT. A LOT OF IT, BDS IN THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP CATEGORY. TBDS. THOSE ARE ALL OPERATING, AND THAN IN THE MAUI MEMORIAL

MEDICAL CENTER, WE HAVE FISCAL YEAR '27, FICTION STABILITY REALLOCATION. THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN MY LETTER. FISCAL. THAT I SENT 8 DAYS AGO. BOTTOM OF THE CIP. THESE ARE JUST ESTIMATES. IF I LOOK AT THIS, NUMBER RIGHT NOW, I CHOOSE THE MIDDLE COME UP, ALWAYS WANT TO ESTIMATE ON THE HIGH SIDE FOR THE PURPOSES OF PLANNING, WE'RE ROUGHLY $52 MILLION. WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE OPERATING AND CIP LOSSES FROM KONA LOW STORM ONE AND 2. FLIP TO THE SECOND PAGE, THIS IS WHERE TAKEN OFF THE VIRTUAL EOC WEBSITE. AND THIS WEBSITE ALLOWS EVERY DEPARTMENT TO REPORT VIRTUALLY ON TO A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT FORM AND THEY HAVE TO CATEGORIZE THEM BASED UPON FEMA DESIGNATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH FEMA REIMBURSEMENT AS POSSIBLE IF WE GET THE FEDERAL DEBLG DECLARN WE DON'T HAVE YET. LOOK AT THESE COST BROKEN THEM OUT BY DEPARTMENT. AND SUMMARY GOES ALL THE WAY FORMBY THE KONA LOW ONE, FOR THE KONA LOW ONE TO THE FOURTH PAGE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT KONA LOW ONE ON THE FOURTH PAIN, 33,29 33,298,682. THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT PRECISE AT THIS TIME. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT. I DO THINK THERE IS SOME DUPLICATION BECAUSE NUMBERS ARE ENTERED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE ESTIMATES THAT WILL BE LOWER PERHAPS HIGHER SO THEY ARE THEY'RE ANOTHER ACTUALS. WE'LL BE GETTING MORE SPECIFICS AS WE GO. THEN THE FIFTH PAGE, KONA LOW 2 STORM. YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS AND THESE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CAPTURED IN KONA LOW ONE. SO O THEY'RE CAPTURED TWO SEPARATE STORMS. KONA LOW 1 AND 2.

RECALL KONA 2, GO TO THE LAST PAGE, 69,0 69,783,986. OVER 900 MILLION. TELL YOU STILL WORK ON GETTING DETAILS, BUT WE THINK THE NUMBERS IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 MILLION AND 100 MILLION. OF LOSSES TO THE CITY. WE'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR AS. FEDERAL ASSISTANCE AS WE CAN. WE DON'T STR THE FEDERAL DECLARATION YET. IF WE DO, THAT WILL MAKE US IT FEMA ELIGIBLE. THERE'S ALSO A FEDERAL HIGHWAYS PROGRAM THAT ROGER MORTON IS WORKING ON. TO GET FEDERAL FUPTS FURCHED THROUGH THE FUNDS THROUGH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAYS PROGRAM. ALL OF THOSE, DO REQUIRE REI REIMBURSEMENT. REIMBURSEMENT MANY TIMES COMES FROM LONG AFTER THE EXPENDITURE. THAT IS CONCERN. SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING AT SOME POINT, FEEL WE HAVE ENOUGH GRANULARITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS, IS WE'LL BE COMING TO THE COUNCIL WITH PROPOSAL TO TAP THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. AND IN MY LETTER, IN MY LETTER, DAD MARCH 23, DATED MARCH 23, HE WILL ANY THE PROCESS, JUST TO GIVE COUNCIL HEADS UP. EARLY IN PROCESS WEMPLET EXPECTED LOSSES THAT WOULD,ISM IMPACT FISCAL YEAR '27 BUDGET. TAD ABOUT SECOND PAGE, 5 MILLION THAT WE HAD, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROPRIATION INTO THE FISCAL YEAR STABILITY FUND. WE CAN EITHER THREARVE MONEY LEAVE THAT MONEY IN, 5 MILLION IN WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY TAKE OUT. LIER THAN R5 MILLION. AT THE TIME I DIDN'T KNOW. I SAID 5 MILLION RT LIER THAN 5 MILLION IN. LEAVE THAT IN. TAKE OUT WHATEVER WE WANT. THAT'S A DECISION OF COUNCIL, RECALL AND BFS ON HOW COULD THAT WE THINK, FOR THE PURPOSES OF BOND RATING AND PROGRAM STABILITY, IT LOOKS

GOOD FOR US TO STILL PUT OUR ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE FUND. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TAKING MONEY OUT. THAT WE HOPE TO RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENT ON FROM FEMA AND FEDERAL HIGHWAYS AND PERHAPS OTHER GRANT PROGRAMS. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BUT THAT IS WHAT THAT LAST PARAGRAPH IS. PUT 5 MILLION IN. AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT IF WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT, IT WOULD COULD YOU EVER Y COVER LOST. CLEARLY WE'RE WAY ABOVE THAT. SO THAT IS THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH. WE DO HAVE OUR POTENTIALEL IMPACTS TO THE REVENUE SIDE. SO WE DO HAVE PROGRAMS AND ONE YOU LEARNED ABOUT WILL HAVE ALREADY IN THE LETTER. REMISSION OF REAL PROPERTY TAXES. AND THAT IS PROGRAM THAT AIL STRUCTURED PROGRAM. WE HAVE WEBSITE UP CALLED GO TO ONE OAHU, JUST LIKE WE USED DURING COVID, ONE OAHU WEBSITE REPURPOSED FOR THE KONA LOW STORM RECOVERY. AND ON THIS WEBSITE, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE REAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEVER PROGRAM. RAYA MISSION PROGRAM. REMISSIONS PROGRAM. UPLOADABLE FORMS ON IT. SO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IT CAN GO TO THIS WEBSITE THEY CAN UPLOAD THE ORDINANCE, UPLOAD THE FORM ONLINE TO SUBMIT. AND THEN ONCE WE START RECEIVING THOSE, APPLICATION, THERE IS A PROCESS THAT DIRECTOR KAWANO CAN DESCRIBE TO YOU THAT THE DEPARTMENT WILL GO THROUGH TO DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT BE TO OUR REAL PROPERTY TAX. THEN WE HAVE SOME OF THE FEE WAIVER PROGRAMS. ALSO, ON THE ONE OAHU WEBSITE, DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING. FAQ THAT TELLS BAY WORK CAN BE DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT. WHERE WE WAIVE PERMIT FEES. AND THAT INFORMATION IS ALL UPDATABLE. POTENTIAL THAT HAVE SOME MANY PABLG TO OUR REVENUE ACCOUNTS. SOME IMPACT AS IT RELATES TO THE FEES, FROM DIFFERENT AT THEDEPARTMENTS. IT STILL TRYING TO CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS BUT THE GOAL I THINK IS ONE THAT THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS AND THAT IS

PROVIDING AS MUCH RELIEF TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACT BY THE KONA LOW STORMS. AND UNITED ASSISTANCE. NEED A STAINS. NEED ASSISTANCE. LOOKING AT NUMBER OTHER PROGRAM. O.E.R. WORKING WITH T STA*PING UP NOT FINALIZED YET. STANDING UP KONA LOW BILLS RECOVERY PROGRAM. BUSINESS RECOVERY PROGRAM. THIS ROGUE PROGRAM TENTATIVELY, PENCILED OUT $4 MILLION. IT WOULD PROVIDE GRANTS TO BUSINESSES THAT HAVE LOST MONEY BECAUSE OF THE KONA LOW STORMS. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO TRACKING FARM LOSSES AND I THINK HOPEFULLY, YOU'VE HAD ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THAT CAME FROM STATE REGARDING THE IMPACT OF LOSSES TO THE FARMS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, WE CAN GET THIS TO YOU. I THINK YOU HAVE IT. AND ALEX IS HERE IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. STATE HAD A PROGRAM AND THE STATE'S PROGRAM WAS 1500 PER FARM. AND IT HAD A CAP OF $500,000. SO STILL HAVE I THINK ABOUT $1,800 APPLICATIONS OUTSTANDING WITH NO RELIEF. WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME SO*RT FER PROGRAM LIKE THAT, UP TO THE COUNCIL. SORT UP OF PROGRAM LIKE THAT. A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY DOES THINGS BUT ONE WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WE DON'T DUPLICATE STATE RELIEF AND FEDERAL HE REREEF COMES IN. BECAUSE YOU GET INTO RELIEF. GET INTO SUPPLANTING SITUATION PEOPLE COME AND CLAIM MONEY BACK. SO THERE'S A LOT OF STRUCTURE THAT NEEDS GO IN THAT PROGRAM. WE DON'T HAVE THAT STRUCTURE YET. BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE DIRECTOR KAWANO IS HERE, DIPTY MANAGING DIRECTOR KRISHNA IS HERE AND O.E.R. IS HERE. ALSO GET YOU ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT THAT WE CAN'T PROVIDE TODAY. WE'LL GET IT FOR YOU FOLLOW UP IN WRITING.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU MAGMAING M MANAGING DIRECTOR. Vice Chair Nishimoto: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE UPDATE. FEW QUESTIONS. YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU THINK THERE IS ABOUT 50 TO $100 MILLION IN DAMAGES. YOU'RE GOING TO COME TO US WITH A PROPOSAL ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE IRA RAINY DAY FUND OR FISCAL STABILITY FUND. WHEN DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GIVE US THAT PROPOSAL?

Testifier: BUDGET. SO. GREAT QUESTION. I'M GOING TO ASK CORRECT DIRECTOR KAWANO TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCIL ON THAT TIMING FOR THAT. ER ANDY KAWANO DIRECTOR BFS BFS. BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES COUNCICOUNCILMEMBER NISHIMOTO LOOKING AT GETTING YOU PROPOSAL, TO ACCOMPANY YOUREL CD2. AMENDMENT AMENDMENT WE'RE THINKING THAT THEEL NUMBER WILL BE A PART OF IT'S TOTAL CD2 AMENDMENT. LIST. FOR COUNCIL. TO DISCUSSION AND REVIEW. ANYBODY NUMBER NORTH SHORE DUE DO YOU THINK THE PROBLEM TAKE,.

Vice Chair Nishimoto: DOUTHIT PROBLEM TAKE, WILL IT BE FUNDED, WHOLLY BY THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND OR WILL IT BE --

Testifier: LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE LEFT NOT PROVISIONAL FOR DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE. THAT ONE I THINK. IS GOING TO BE USED UP PRETTY QUICK BECAUSE DEM, MANGIERIMENT ALREADY HAS A LOT OF LARGER -- EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ENGAGEMENTS GOING O. IN INCLUDING FOLKS FROM THE MAINLAND. COME IN. SO THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE DEBRIEF RECOVERY CONTRACT AS EXAMPLE. THAT HAS TO BE PAID. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALSO STAGE PROJECT. SOME MAY BE CIP. AND IF THERE IS NO THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY WE MAY ENABLE TOES PROPOSE AMENDMENT TO THE CIP BUDGET TO COVER REPAIR THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY. WE DON'T WANT TO DEPLETE THE FUND. COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION FROM THE PAST. VALUE DILIGENTLY BUILT THE FUND UP TO ALMOST $200 MILLION. SO THE GOAL IS TO USE IT PRUDENTLY AND ENSURE THAT WE ONLY USE THE FUND FOR EXACT NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED RIGHT AWAY.

Vice Chair Nishimoto: I KNOW THE FUND USED FOR BOND RATING. WHAT HOW MUCH COULD YOU TAKE FROM THE FUND AND NOT REALLY AFFECT OUR BOND RATING?

Testifier: I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THAT ARE GTS TO GO DEPEND ON WHEN THE RATING AGENCIES TOOK A LOOK, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR SITUATION. EL IN JUNE. THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME FRAME. THEY WILL WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THE FUND IS BEING USED FOR, IT'S EXACT PURPOSE AND THAT MOST OF THE COST SHOULD BE NONREOCCUR. I LIKE THE FACT THAT MANAGING DIRECTOR SAID THAT WE'LL CONTINUE IF COUNCIL AGREES, TO FUND ADD FUNDS TO THE FUND IN '27. I THINK WEEL PROPOSED $5 MILLION. AS A TRANSFER IN. I SUGGEST WE KEEP IT. AS IS. AS MANAGING DIRECTOR STATED. AND I THINK WE'LL BE IN GOOD SHAPE. NO ABOUT COUPLE WEEKS. TO PROVIDE INFORMATION YOU IDENTIFY TO DISCUSS IT.

Vice Chair Nishimoto: YOU'RING GO PROVIDING US IN A COUPLE WEEKS? AROUND THAT PERIOD. Testifier: YEAH. Vice Chair Nishimoto: I KNOW IN THE MANAGING DIRECTOR'S MEMO TO US, ON THE 23RD, HE TALKED ABOUT THE TAX REMISSION PROGRAM. FOR PEOPLEEL HOMES WERE WHOLLY DESTROYED OR PARTIALLY DESTROYED OR DAMAGED. DO WE HAVE IS ESTIMATE OF THE BALL PARK ESTIMATE HOW MUCH REMP KNEW HIT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE?

Testifier: IT'S TOO EARLY RIGHT NOW. TO PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE. AND WE'RE CHECKING CLAIMS APPLICATIONS, I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 20 SOL THEY'RE FLOWING IN. OUR REAL PROPERTY TAX APPRAISERS HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY. TO DO VALIDATIONS. THEY'RE GOING TO CHECK WITH FIRE AND HPD TO FIND OUT IF WE HAVE VIDEO, DRONE VIDEO OF THE DAMAGE RIGHT AFTER THE STORM. BECAUSE IT CAN FOCUS ON WHAT STREETS TO VISIT FIRST. PRIORITIZE THEIR ASSESSMENT WORK THAT WAY. THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TILL JUNE 30 TO TURN IN THEIR CLAIMS. SO THEY HAVE TIME. AND WE PROVIDED FLIERS AS TO WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM AS WELL. NISHIMOTO NUMBER WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO USE SOME KIND OF MARKER ON HOW MUCH WE THINK REVENUE LOSS IS GOING TO BE CORRECT?

Testifier: YEAH. LIT AM I GIVE YOU AROUND AN EXAMPLE FOR THE D YOU KNOW, THE LOSSES PER PROPERTY ARE CONTROLLED BY PROPERTY TAXES PAID FOR THE YEAR THAT THE STORM HAPPENED. SO FOR THE 2021 I THINK KONA LOW STORM, GNARL HALEIWA, THAT AREA. IN LAS VEGAS. I'LL WHAT AS WELL, IN LAS VEGAS. FROM S IS STATISTICS, OVER 70 CLAIM IT'S, FILED. OF THE 70, 51 WHERE ARE VALIDATE. AND OF THE 51, THE PAYOUT WAS $50,000. SO IT'S NOT IT MAY NOT BE THAT LARGE BECAUSE THE CAPPED BY REAL PROPERTY TAXES PAID. ALSO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AG LAND, AND CROPS WERE DESTROYED, TAXES ARE NOT CALCULATE THE ON CROPS. SO THOSE WOULDN'T COME INTO PLAY. DAMAGE TO THE LAND. TO THE REAL PROPERTY AND STRUCTURES IS ON THE REAL PROPERTY. THE WE STATE THIS IN OUR FLIER. CONTENTS PERSONAL ITEMS IN THE HOME PERSONAL ASSETS. ARE NOT INCLUDED. SO FURNITURE, FIXTURESSER NISHIMOTO E'O MAY MAHAFFEY MATTRESSES.

Vice Chair Nishimoto: REVENUE SIDE BALLPARKER FIGURE YOU THINK REVENUE IN TAXES GOING TO GO DOWN DUE TO STORM? Testifier: FOR THIS YEAR, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT FY '26, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER YET. IT'S GOING TO COME SOON THOUGH. Vice Chair Nishimoto: TWO WEEKS IN ONE WEEK? OR SOME. Testifier: NOT THAT SOON BECAUSE CLAIMS COME IN AND THEN RECALL APPRAISERS GO OUT TO VALIDATE. IT WILL BE I THINK, NUMBER WILL BE DETERMINED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. O THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO THE ASSESSMENT. EL.

Vice Chair Nishimoto: FROM IT YOUREL EXPERIENCE, WHEN WE FRONT MONEY FOR FEMA, FOR THE GET REIMBURSED. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT REIMBURSEMENT IS GOING TO TAKE TO COME? Testifier: I CAN'T SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE. BUT I REMEMBER TALKING TO OUR PAST DEM DIRECTOR ABOUT IT. HERO HE SAID, EXPECT MORE THAN HALF YEAR. GOING TO BE A LONG WAIT. AND. Vice Chair Nishimoto: HALF YEAR. Testifier: MORE THAN SIX MONTHS. Vice Chair Nishimoto: MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT? Testifier: HE SAID JUST TOLD ME GOING TO BE EASILY MORE THAN SIX MONTHS. FROM THE TIME WE TURN IN OUR REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT,.

Vice Chair Nishimoto: I THINK IT'S DECADES. COULD BE DECADES ACTUALLY. Testifier: COULD BE, WELL, THERE WAS 2018 STORM AS WELL. AND I THINK WE WERE RECEIVING PAYMENTS IN INCREMENTS ALL WAY THROUGH FEW YEARS AGO. AND THEN I ASKED DEM WHY AND THEY SAID, THERE WAS BACK AND FORTH SO FEMA DIDN'T AGREE WITH OUR SUPPORT. SO WE PROVIDED MORE INFORMATION AND IT WAS LIKE THAT. GOING BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S WHY IT TOOK LONG. BUT I THINK THE FIRST PAINT MAY HAVE COME IN IN FIRST PAYMENT 2019. IT WILL TAKE A BHIEVMENT THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: TALK A WHILE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. THIS QUESTION IS EITHER FOR BFS DIRECTOR OR THE MANAGING DIRECTOR. ER FIRST OFF, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHEN MANAGING DIRECTOR MENTIONED, ABOUT THE SECOND TRANS MISSED MEMO, WAS IT MAYOR'S MESSAGE 38? IS THAT THE CORRECT MESS THANK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT? Testifier: MAYOR'S MESSAGE 32, 26. Councilmember Cordero: MAYOR'S MESSAGE 38? THE ONE WITH THE. Testifier: HANDOUT. EL CORD HANDOUT FROM YESTERDAY BUT LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

Councilmember Cordero: 38. OKAY. 38. PERFECT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN WHAT WAS LENG LENGTH LEGIBLE AND NOT LEGIBLE. ANYONE WATCHING ON LIME MY FIRST FEW QUESTIONS, PIGGYBACK PIGGY OFFOF COMMITTEE VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TAX REMICRONESIAN. FIRST OFF, TUA ARE THE REMISSION. CONDITIONS OR CHARACTER WHAT WOULD THEN BE CONSIDERED, PARTIALLY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED? AND AT THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE PROPERTY. RIGHT?

Testifier: YES. THAT'S CORRECT. REAL PROPERTY. SO 100% DESTROYED OR 100% LOSS WOULD MEAN THAT THE HOME IS ESSENTIALLY IS WASHED AWAY. RECALL.

Councilmember Cordero: PARTIAL LIMPLET BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A PARTIALLY. WHOLLY DESTROYED OR DAMAGED IN THE LETTER AS WELL AS PARTIALLY. WARRIOR THOSE CHARACTERIZE PARTICULARS AND -- WHAT WOULD THOSE CHARACTER TERRORIST ACHES AND CONDITIONS, PLENTY PEOPLER CHARACTERISTICS. MY DISTRICTS ROCK SLIDES DURINGEL NL KOAS. KONA LOW. HAVE HOPE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COULD, BE POTENTIAL FOR CASH REMISSION. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HELP THEM PLANNING DISPEACE PICK TAKES -- EXPECTATIONS YOU MAY NOT GET IT.

Testifier: THERE ARE NO HARD AND FAST RULES. IN TERMS OF DETERMINING WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF PARTIAL LOSS OCCURRED. WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT IF THE PROPERTIES OWNER SOWN HASPHOTOS AT THE TIME OF TE FLOOD, FLOOD ACTION WAS HAPPENING PHOTOS DURING THE CLEAN-UP, AND PHOTOS AFTER THE CLEAN-UP, AT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. APPRAISERS GO OUT THERE, SEE WHAT'S THERE AFTER THE CLEAN-UP. IF THEY CAN HAVE PHOTOS OF THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY, AT THOSE DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIME, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. ANY INSURANCE RECOVERY DOCUMENTATION WOULD BE HEL HELPFUL. AND OF COURSE, THEIR OWN DOCUMENTATION. IN TERMS OF DESCRIBING WHAT THEY WITNESSED. WHAT THEY OBSERVED IN TERMS OF DAMAGE.

Councilmember Cordero: TO CLARIFY. AS IT RETAIL IT'S TO FLOODING, AS OPPOSED TO ANY ROCK SLIDES, THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED, RIGHT? NOT ANY ROCK SLIDES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. Testifier: IF A ROOKIE WENT THROUGH THE HOME, ROCK WENT THROUGH THE HOME,EL. Councilmember Cordero: BOULDERS. Testifier: YEAH. BOULDER WENT WENT THROUGH THE HOME, MADE IT UNUNEUR INHABITABLE, IT COULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY DESTROYED. UNINHABITABLE. KEEP IN MIND THAT, WHEN REAL PROPERTY DOES THE ASSESSMENT, THERE'S A VALUE TO THE LAND AND TO THE STRUCTURE. SO IF THERE IS NO EROSION, VISIBLE EROSION TO THE LAND. THAT PART OF THE ASSESSMENT MAY NOT BE REFUNDABLE. IN TERMS OF A LOSS.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. THEN GOING BACK TO TAX REMISSION, ITSELF, WILL THAT BE TAX CREDIT, OR REFUND, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DURING THE YEAR. THAT THE NATURAL DISASTER OCCURRED. SO WHATEL WILL THE TAX REMISSION LOOK LIKE? Testifier: CLAIMS WERE DUE JUNE 30. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPING OVER TIME. THE LAST TIME WE DID A A REMICRONESIAN FOR THE 201 STORM. DID A REFUND. REMISSIONEL 2021 STORAGE. DID A REFUND. 2021 STORM. ALL HOMEOWNERS PAID LAST PROPERTY TAX. LAST ONE WAS IN FEBRUARY. PROBABLY 'REFUND.

Councilmember Cordero: QUESTIONS ABOUT CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROPERTY. A LOT OF THE, TABLE LOOKED LIKE. SO UNTIL A TIGS TO COMMITTEE VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO QUESTIONS. IN ADDITION. HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO GO LOOK AT, HOW ARE YOU GOING PROIRTIZING CITY PROPERTY LIKE YOU MENTIONED, SOME, PRIORITYING. SOME VEHICLES AND PROPERTIES THAT MAY BE OTHER FUTURE CIPs. SO DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TOP PRIORITIES FOR CITY TO TAKE CARE OF SOON?

Testifier: I DO. I THINK IT'S WE HAD TO HAVE A POLICY. ONE OF THE POLICIES IS THAT IF WE SUBMIT THE CLAIM, FOR LET'S SAY CIP SIDE. WE SUBMIT CLAIM TO FEMA AND THERE'S A FEDERAL DECLARATION AND YOU GET FEDERAL AWARD. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT. THAT WOULD NOT PEER IN OUR CIP PROGRAM BUDGET OVER THE YEARS. THERE MAY BE OTHER SMALLER COSTSEL ASSOCIATED WITH THINGS. THAT HAPPENED TO THE CITY THAT WE CHOOSE TO HANDLE THROUGH THE CIP BUFGHT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO IT BUDGET. DON'T HAVE TO PULMONARY AU OF FISCAL STABILITY FUND TO FRONT THE COST. REQUIRE US GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE LOSS ONE BY ONE AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. BUT, IT'S A BALANCING ACT OF ONE OF HOW MUCH WE WANT TO PUT ALL OF THIS FISCAL STABILITY FUND, HOW MUCH WE WANT TO TRY TO GET REREIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA OR FEDERAL HIGHWAYS, AND THEN HOW MUCH WE WOUL WOULD LIKE ACTUALLY PROGRAM IN OUR CIP BUDGET OVER TIME. BECAUSE WE DON'T IT TO TAP THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. ON THE OPERATING SIDE, MORE PROBLEM A@I CAN DON'T HAVE PROBLEM ATTIC DON'T HAVE. RECOURSE. SO PROBLEMATIC YOU CAN, THINGS THAT, MAY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE CIP BUT MAY NOT BE CIP MAY BE OPERATING COST. HAD GUTTER DAMAGE AND SOME ROOF DAMAGE ON SOME OF BUILDINGS. THAT ARE NOT TOTAL ROOF REPLACEMENTS. THOSE PROBABLY. WOULD NOT COME UNDER CIP. COME UNDER OPERATING COSTS. IS IT REALLY INVOLVES US GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE ITEMS AND WORKING WITH COUNCIL ASKING COUNCIL TO HELP INFORM USES WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK WE WANT TO PULL OUT OF THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. AND WHAT WE WANT TO HOOD R HAHANDLE THROUGH OUR OWN BUDGET PROCESS.

Councilmember Cordero: TIMELINE IS TIGHT. BECAUSE OF US GOING THROUGH OUR BUDGET PROCESS. AS WELL. THANK YOU. I WANT TO ASK THOSE FEW QUESTION. CHAIR. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: MANAGING DIRECTOR, BEFORE I AIR ALLOW US SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS I DO HAVE QUESTIONS AT THE END. FOR TIMELINE,ER VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO MENTIONED THIS. JUST I'M GUESSING YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, MEMBERS ARE AWARE. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR BUDGET. AND WE DEADLINES AS WELL. OUR CD2 METHAMPHETAMINE AMENDMENTS AMENDMENTS DUE IN BY APRIL 16. HEARING IT WILL HYPOTHETICAL COUPLE OF WEEKS. WE'LL NEED TO KNOW BEFORE THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO FINALIZE OUR CITY BUDGET. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE CONCRETE, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE AT THE MERCY OF THESE OTHER LOGISTICAL RAMIFICATIONS TAKING PLACE. BUTEL WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT IT ADMINISTRATION AWARE OF DEADLINE WE HAVE? THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AS WELL TO US ON THE 16TH?

Testifier: YEAH. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO WORK VERY QUICKLY AND THE TRUTH IS A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE BASED ON ESTIMATES. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT EMPLET AND V IS ALREADY TO COME WITH PROPOSED CIP AMENDMENT FOR DAMAGE TO HPOWER. AND SOME OF THEIR OTHER FACILITIES. SO A LOT OF IT HAS TO BE VERIFIED. I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE. ROAD TO ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY U COMMUNICATIONS TOWERS WAS COMPLETELY WASHED OUT. SO DFM HAS TO GO IN FIRST AND TEMPORARILY PIEWT PUTT SOME PLATING DOWN TO GET EVEN GET ACCESS TO THE COMMUNICATIONS TOWER. PUT SOME PLATING DOWN. FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DAMAGE IS. AND SO WE HAD VIRTUAL CAMERAS AND WE KNEW THERE WAS DAMAGE AND WE KNEW THAT THE TOWER FELL BUT IT ACTUALLY AMEN MEANS SEPTEMBER 11ING OUT TEAM, TR CONTRACTORS TO DO VERIFIABLE ESTIMATES SENDING OUT OBT WORK AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE THERE YET BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE TIME LINE. IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGHER. VERY TOUGHER.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR VERIFYING YOU AWARE OF THE TIME LINE. QUICKLY WE TALKED ABOUT FEDERAL DECLARATIONS. WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT? THERE AN PROCESS VICE CHAIR MENTIONED FOR US TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA. HAVEN'T BEEN DECLARED YET. WHEN DEPARTMENTAL WE ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING?

Testifier: WE SRTS NOT BEEN GIVEN TIMELINE BY FEMA. ON WHEN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. WE HAVE NOT. I KNOW THAT IN THE DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS. FEMA HAS EXCEEDED THE NUMBER THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE FEDERAL DECLARATION. I DON'T NOTE POLITICAL PROCESS BETWEEN THE TIME THAT FEMA REGION 9 MAKES THAT RECOMMENDATION. UP TO NATIONAL AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. I DON'T KNOW TIMELINE. FOR THAT. BUT IF WE GET INFORMATION ON THAT, WE'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU RIGHT AWAY. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. MANAGE NG DIRECTOR. ER COME BACK WITH SOME QUESTIONS WANTED TO GET THAT IT DATE OUT THERE. COUNCILMEMBER TULBA. Councilmember Tulba: ALREADY ASKED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. KIA'AINA THANK YOU. IF YOU DENT MIND I'M GOING TO IT PIVOT TO BIG BIGGER TOUR R PIDGIN -- BILLING BILLING PICTURE FIRST. BIG PICTURE FIRST. COLLEAGUES HAVE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT TIMELINESS AND RELEVANT INFORMATION WE NEED. CAN ASK, BIG QUESTION FIRST, WHO IS IN CHARGE WITH REGARD TO THE OVERALL EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FOR THE CITY?

Testifier: SO DEM, IS IN CHARGE. WITH SUPPORT OF OTHER AGENCIES. SO THAT WOULD BE RUN DAL COUL INLS, RANDALL COLLINS AND JENNIFER WALTERS. ALSO HAVE, IT THROUGH MUTUAL AID, ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT. WE HAVE KAUAI OCCC MEMBERS HERE ON ISLAND. WE ALSO HAVE OCCC MEMBERS FROM THE MAINLAND AND WE HAVE EOC, WE HAVE A, INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM FROM THE NEW YORK FIREFIGHTERS HERE. SO UNDER RANDALL COLLINS AND JENNIFER, WE HAVE NUMBER OF RESOURCES ANY INTERNALND A EXTERNAL. EL REASON REASON I'M REASON I'M ASKING IS YOU AND THE BFS DIRECTOR IS HERE. SO BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED ISSUE. RIGHT? FISCAL ASPECT AND THERE'S BOOTS ON THE GROUND. EL COORDINATION. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE IS INTERAGENCY GROUP. WITHIN THE CITY ADMINISTRATION.

Testifier: THAT THERE IS. Councilmember Kia'aina: HELP WITH BOTH JUST CONFIRMING ALL OF YOUR DATA BUT ALSO, ON THE FISCAL FRONT, TO INSURE THAT'S COORDINATE FLATTE COORDINATED I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL, VERSUS PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. BECAUSE OF COURSE TRICKLE DOWN WITH REGARD TO FUNDING STREAMS, IS RELATED TO THAT. CORRECT? Testifier: CORRECT. Councilmember Kia'aina: WHAT IS YOUR COORDINATE INFLATION WHERE HE/HIM SO WE'RE NOT DUPLICATEDDING EFFORTS? HIEMA.

Testifier: SURE. IF I COULD, I APPRECIATE THOSE QUESTIONS. ITER RECALL COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. LET ME EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL HOW WE'RE SET UP RIGHT NOW. SO WHEN WE WERE ACTIVELY IN, THE KONA LOW STORM EVENTS, WE WERE AT LEVEL ONE. AND LEVEL ONE, IT WAS 24-7 OPERATION. LED BY RANDALL COLIN AND JENNIFER WALTER. IN COORDINATION WITH HIEMA. EVERY DAY, WE WOULD HAVE A COORDINATED HIGH I'M A CALL AND IF WOULD SRO CITY AND COUNTY CALL. HIEMA CALL. AND QUESTION CONTINUE THOSE COORDINATION CALL WAS HIEMA IT TO THIS DAY. AFTER THE STORM, WERE OVER AND RAIN HAD BASICALLY SUBSIDED, WE THEN SWITCH, DEACTIVATED FROM LEVEL 1, TO A LOWER LEVEL. LEVEL 3. WHICH IS NOW DEBRIS RECOVERY, RECOVERY ASSISTANCE, DAMAGE ASSESSMENT, COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE, FOOD, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND WE CONTINUE TO EVERYONE MORNING AT 7:30, WE MEET IN THE EOC.

MA LEADS CONVERSATION. INCIDENT ACTION PLAN. THAT PUT OUT EVERY DAY. AND ILLNESS DIGNITY ACTION PLAN -- I UNDERSTAND DENT ACTION PLAN HAS POINTS OF CON DCT URKTS POINTS OF CONTACT AROUND THE ISLAND, SO IT'S NOT JUST WAIALUA AND HALEIWA. IT'S ALSO WAIANAE. ALSO WINDWARD COAST. AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC IT REPORTS OUT FROM ALL OF THESE DESIGNATED LEADERS ON SPECIFIC ITEMS. WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE ITEMS EVERY MORNING. SALUTTHROUGHOUT THE DAY. OH. OC STAFFED, FOLLOW UP ON ITEMS. TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF MAINLAND ASSISTANCE AND KAUAI ASSISTANCE BECAUSE IT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

Councilmember Kia'aina: ABSOLUTELY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UPDATE. WITH REGARD TO A SESSIONSMENT ET CETERA GETTING RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS. WHEN WE BE ABLE TO A KNOW SOME. ASSESSMENTS IN FROM YOU ARE OWN DISTRICTS WITH THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GETTING TMPLET RED CROSS PROBABLY HAS CONTACTED OTHER MEMBERS I AM AGOING TO BE MEETING WITH THEM, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT. BUT I THINK IT WOULD HELP BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. TO THIS SUCH INFORMATION AND I'VE BEEN QUERIED FROM SOME OF MY STATE LAWMAKERS. TO SEE IF I HAD ANY INFORMATION. OON THAT. DO YOU EVER ANY ANSWER TO THAT?

Testifier: SURE. EL DO YOU HAVE INOUYE ANSWER. FIRST WAYNE TO SAY, THAT I WANT TO SAY COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, PUTS OUT RELEASES MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, AND THEY REPORT SPECIFIC ACTIONABLE ITEMS NUMBER. REPORT NUMBER OF TRUCKS. TONNAGE. ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH OUR PRESS RELEASE. I THINK WE'VE DONE OVER 120 TO DATE. AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE THAT GO OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND THEY REPORT DISCREET ACTION ITEMS ACCOMPLISHMENTS. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, IN IT THE E. O C WE HAVE REPORTS THAT ARE FILED DAILY REPORTING STATUS OF OPERATIONS ON THE WINDWARD SIDE, WAIANAE SIDE, AND WAIALUA HALEIWA. AND THERE ARE MANY REPORTS. ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD THE OTHER DAY, IN THE E OMPLET C DATA RICH ENVIRONMENT. ASKED THEM TO GIVE ME, REPORT THAT I CAN GO THROUGH TO PREPARE FOR WEDNESDAY'S BRIEFING, IT TALKS A LOT OF TIME TO PUT THAT TOGETHER. TAKES A LOT OF TIME. DISCREET REPORTS, AT LEADERSHIP LEVEL. FROM WAIANAE WIRNLD WINDWARD AND I WILL WAIALUA HALEIWA. GET THOSE REPORT IT'S AB MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE COUNCIL SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION. GO BACK AND KIA'AINA BY THE WAY, SOMETIMES BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES FOR WHEN IT'S OFFICIAL, IMPEDES, THE INFORMATIONERRER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. I'M NOT LOOKING AT THAT. I'M JUST LOOKING AT QUICK ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IS GOING ON. COMPARE COMPARATIVELY CANNOT COMPARE TO WHAT IS HAPPENED IN MY OTHER COLLEAGUES DISTRICT. HAVING SAID THAT, I STILL LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH HAWAII CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION. I'M SURE YOU'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM. AND I KNOW YOU RATTLED OFF SUNDRY OF ALL OF THE FEDERAL AILGTD SITS THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE INVOLVED.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE. AGENCIES, AS YOU GUYS ARE STRATEGYIZING, STRATEGIZE STATE AND DELEGATION,ER THAT WE LOOK AT BOTH SHORT-TERM IMMEDIATE MEDIUMAL LONGTERM RECOVERY BECAUSE FUNDING STREAMS FOR ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES ARE DIFFERENT. ABILITY THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS AS YOU WERE STRATEGIZING, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER SUPPLEMENTAL, ALWAYS COMES OUT PERIODICALLY. WE NEED TO GET ON THAT BAND WAGON. QUESTION IS WHAT AGENCIES ARE ON THAT. WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING. WENT THROUGH THIS IN COVID. BUT EAST REASON I'M AING SEA T. ON TOP OF THAT NORMAL PRONGS PROCESS A E'O I THINK BOTH STATE AND CITY NEED TO PIVOT, SIMILAR WHAT WE DID IF COACHED WITH REGARD TO THE TYPICAL IT REQUEST YOU WERE NORMALLY HAVE FMPLETD COVID, POIFORT FOR THE RECOVERY OF THESE AREAS. PIVOT. THAT'S ALL ALL I'M SAYING. HAWAII DELEGATION WOULD BE MEAN BEING TO THAT LOOK AT ALL JULIE PPOTS NOR FOR IMMEDIATE RECOVERY. ALL OTHER POTS FOR IMMEDIATE MEDIUM AN LONGTERM. EQUALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE ARE GOING BE TO AFFECTING BUSINESSES A INDIVIDUAL FAMILY AND I THINK THAT THAT COORDINATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A STRATEGY STRATEGY IN PLACE, CAN BE THE MAYOR'S ASK AS WELL AS GOVERNOR'S A ASK, AND OTHER PLAYERS, I THINK JUST WOULD BE HELPFUL. THEN MY LAST QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH INSURANCE COMMISSIONER. WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE INSURANCE COMMISSIONER IN ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN READING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT COVERED. SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE CASE WHERE FAMILIES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE EITHER HOMES OR THEIR CARS OR FARMSEL COVERED?

Testifier: I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER. WE HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE, ONE OAHU A VIDEO FROM DC CA REGARDING PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE INSURANCE AND PROCESS THEY SHOULD GO THROUGH. TO FILE CLAIMS. THAT WILL BE ELIGIBLE AND COVERED. FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT COVERED, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION YET FROM THE STATE. AS TO WHAT REMEDY MIGHT LOOK LLOOK LIKE. TALKING TO THE CONGESTION AJ DELEGATION. ASKING THEM FOR AIR FOR ASSISTANCE. TWO DC EXPERIENCED GRANTS WRITERS A THE WORK. ERIKA AND ANIKA. ACTIVELY AT WORK ON THESE PROGRAMS. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR VERY BEST. BUT I THINK TRUTH IS YOU IDENTIFIED THAT IN THE COMMUNITIES, THAT HAVE BEEN HIT, A LOT OF HOMES. AND A LOT OF WHICH IS THAT IS ARE PROBABLY NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE. BUSINESSES. NOT GOING TO BE TOIBL GET PARTIALLY RECOVERY. KIA'AINAEN LAST COMMENT. I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT ALL THE AGENCIES BUT THE HUD, CDBG STARTS RECOVERY, IS ONE OF THE BEURS PROGRAMS THAT HAS GREATEST FLEXIBILITY -- BEST, TO HELP COMMUNITIES. AND FOR ME, THAT IS NOT JUST VIA PUBLIC, GOVERNMENTS' BUT THE UNIVERSITIES, HIGHER HAD HE HAD EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING BE TO PITCH IN. AGAIN, WE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS FROM COVID. I HOPE THAT WE CAN TAKE IT TO HEART AND JUST REALIZE THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS. BUT WE NEED EVERYBODY TO NOT JUST BE THINKING WHERE WE INVENTING THE WHEEL, WE KIND OF HAVE A PLAYBOOK. HAVE TO ADJUST.

Testifier: ON THE HUD SIDE, SENATOR SCHATZ HAD A CONVERSATION WITH IT RECALL SECRETARY. AND THE ASSISTANCE SECRETARY FOR PLANNING AND COMMUNITY VERY MANY ACTUALLY CAME AT AND MET WITH US HERE IN HONOLULU. AND THEY ARE OPEN TO REPROGRAMMING CDBG AND HOME FUNDS. SO ON TON KRUCKY IS LEAD ON THAT FOR THE DEPARTMENT. ANTON KRUCKY. IT ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE ASSISTANCE, SECRETARY RONALD CURTIS. TO SEE WHERE WE CAN DO THAT TO BEN PUT OUR COMMUNITY BEST.

Councilmember Kia'aina: THAT IS THE CDBG. REGULAR FUND. CORRECT? I'M LOOKING AT THERE'S A CDBG STARTS RECOVERY THAT IS LARGER POT. AND THAT FUND HAS THE GREATEST PGREATESTFLEXIBILITY FOR DISAST. Testifier: AGREE. KIA'AINA. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU FLOOR LEADER KIA'AINA. EL FURTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIR WATERS.

Councilmember Waters: THAN YOU SO MUCH THANK YOU IMAGINING DIRECT. PRESENTATION HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. MANAGER DIRECTOR. ESPECIALLY MAYOR'S MESSAGE 38. THESE NUMBERS ARE STAGGERING. BUT IT DOESN'T COMPARE TO THE LOSS THAT ARE PEOPLE SUSTAINED O WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY. I THINK IT'S ESTIMATED REPORTED UP TO A BILLION DOLLARS. A BILLION DOLLARS. PEOPLE LOST EVERYTHING. ER RIGHT NOWEL THEIR CARS. EREL ONE THEIR HOMES. BUT THEIR CARS, COMPUTERS. AND JUST TRYING TO GET THEM AS MUCH HELP AS WE CAN. AND AS MUCH AS WE CAN AFFORD. WHICH BRING BRINGS ME TO MAYOR'S MESSAGE 38. HOUSING. I KNOW I READ IN THE PAPER ABOUT HOUSING SCHOFIELD BARRACKS AND DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING LAND MANAGEMENT IS IDENTIFYING PROPERTIES CITY OWNS, TO PUT PEOPLE IN TEMPORARY HOUSING. AND YES, COST ABOUT ANIER FROM 5 TO $10 MILLION. ANYWHERE FROM. WHICH IS GOOD. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET HOUSING FOR PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY. BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER EXPENSES CHINATOWN, CITY PROPERTY. DAMAGE, 9 MILLION. EL WAIALUA FIRE STATION, DAMAGE, 3 MILLION. FLOOD CONTROL, VARIOUS LOCATIONS,EL 10 MILLION. WAIMEA BAY DEBRIS REMOVAL, 4 MILLION. HBD OVER TIME. WE WANT HBD OUT THERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. IS .2 MILLION. DEBRIS SORTING ANOTHER 5 MILLION. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET ALL OF THERE MONEY FROM? ARE WE LOOKING AT THE CURRENT BUDGET AND FIGURING OUT IF P WE NEED TOEL DETERMINE WHAT IS NICE TO HAVE AND WHAT IS NEED TO HAVE? I GUESS THAT IS WHAT THE BUDGET CHAIR WAS CONCERNED

ABOUT. S I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. THAT. AND FRANKLY, THE WHOLE COUNCIL AS WAS ADMINISTRATION. IS CONCERNED ABOUT. PRELIMINARILY, YOU TALKED ABOUT $5 MILLION. FROM THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. WHAT ARE WE'RE LOOK BEING AT 52 MILLION. LOOK AT. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T TAKE 52 MILLION OUT OF THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. IT SOUNDS LIKE. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES. HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THAT WE PAY THESE BILL?

Testifier: SO GREAT QUESTION. THAT I DON'T HAVE THE GOOD ANSWER TO. RIGHT NOW. BUT TO ME, WHAT IT MEANS IS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE. IN THE FIRST WE HAVE TO DECIDE OPERATING OR CAPITAL. AND IF IT'S CAPITAL, WE HAVE TO ASK DO DO WE WANT TO SPLIT IT. IF WE GET FED DECLARATION. SUBMIT IT FOR REIMBURSEMENT. SUBMIT IT FOR REIMBURSEMENT IT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EXPENDED MONEY UP FRONT. YOU CAN'T PROGRAM IT IN YOUR CIP BUDGET. OVER TIME. WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, SAME OPERATING COST. MAY BE ELIGIBLE OPERATING COST FOR RECOVERY. BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO SEEK REIMBURSEMENT WE HAVE TO EXPEND UP FRONT. NOAA IS GOING TO LARGELY INFORM US, HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED CASH UP FRONT. WHICH WE CAN LOOK FOR POCKETS OF CASH IN THE BUDGET. BUT THE TRUTH IS I THINK AS YOU ALL KNOW, BUDGET IS REALLY TIGHT. AND SCARY THING IS THAT WHEN WE CUT SOME OF THED VACANT POSITIONS IN THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE A BALANCED BUDGET, FUNDED. THEY'RE NOW TAPPING THOSE VERY FUNDS FOR OVER TIME. AND SO IT'S LIKE A JUGGLING ACT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. VERY UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION TO BE IN. BUT I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO MEAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CASH UP FRONT. EVEN GET THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NUMBERS IS GOING TO BE FOR THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. THINK IT COULD BE LARGE. AND I THINK THE COMMITMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL WOULD BE THAT WHEN WE RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENT, THAT REIMBURSEMENT MONEY GOES BACK INTO THE STABILITY FUND. THAT WAY, YOU HAVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE FUND.

Councilmember Waters: I THINK THAT'S PRUDENT AS WELL. JUST PEOPLE KNOW THE FISCAL STANLTD FUND BASICALLY IS THE RAINY-DAY FUND. STABILITY. MONEYEL CITY SET ASIDE EXACTLY FOR THIS TYPE OF SITUATION. THAT'S CORRECT. EL. Councilmember Waters: RAINY D DAYTIME TO TAP THAT ARE. RUSS UPSET YOU EVER RAIN DAY FUND ARE, RAINY-DAY FUND, RECALL ADMINISTRATION REALLY DOESN'T NEED COUNSELOR APPROVAL FOR THAT, RIGHT? YOU GIVE US IT NOTICE, AND THEN YOU CAN TAP THE FUND. IS THAT CORRECT?

Testifier: I BELIEVE IT'S COUNCIL PROCESS. I BELIEVE WE COME TO THE COUNCIL. I'LL LET DIRECTOR KAWANO SPEAK TO THAT. I BELIEVE COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL TO TAP THAT FUND. WAT>>Councilmember Waters: WATERS 5 MILLION GOT NOTICE OF, COME FORWARD WITH DETAILS HOW TO EXPEND THAT MONDAY SONY. MONEY AT THE TIME LETTER WAS WRITTEN WE WERE THINKING WITHOUT KNOWING, BECAUSE WE HAD NO DAMAGE ASSESSMENT BY THE 23RD, AT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH $5 MILLION. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T. RECOMMENDATION NOW IS THAT WE LEAVE THAT $5 MILLION NOEL THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND, WE GO THROUGH ASSESSMENT, COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND WE SAY, THIS IS THE AMOUNT WE TAKE OUT OF THE FUND. TO COVER OUR OPERATING AND CIP LOSSES. IT WILL SO MUCH SHOULD BE PROGRAMMED OVER TIME. SOME SHOULD BE FOR IMMEDIATE REPAIR MAINTENANCE SO THAT WE CAN GET REIMBURSEMENT. AND THEN WHETHER THE PLONCY COMING BACK, WE PUT THEM BACK INTO THE FUND. BUT WE'RE JUST TOO EARLY TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. WATERS MAYOR CAN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY TAKE THE MONEY AND SPEND IT. YOU HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE COUNCIL. OKAY. SO MAYBE TO BE PRUDENT, BUDGET CHAIR, PERHAPS WE SHOULD TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND DURING OUR BUDGET PROCESS? AND THAT WAY, THE CITY HAS ACCESS TO THAT. BECAUSE WHAT IS THE BUDGET CLOSED, THE COUNCIL CAN'T REOPEN BUDGET. BUT THE MAYOR CAN. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS CONTEMPLATED? BECAUSE THE MONEY MAY BE NECESSARY AFTER JULY 18TH. RIGHT?

Testifier: WE COANLT KNOW AT THIS TIME. SO WE DON'T FLEE. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT. WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME. GUN CONTROL IS GIVE YOU CID ABLE NUMBER THAT WE CAN ASK TO TAP THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. DO OUR VERY BEST WITH THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED DEAL WHEN WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT LET ME HAVE DIRECTOR KAWANO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THE PROCESS. Councilmember Waters: THAT WOULD BE SUPER-HELPFUL.

Testifier: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THERE IS FROM NOW, THROUGH TWO WEEKS OUT, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO SNILGT IT YOUR CD2, AMENDMENT, SUBMITTING. A LOT OF WORK. IN ADDITION TO AS MANAGING DIRECTOR STATED, DETERMINING WHAT IS CAPITAL, WHAT IS OPERATING OR CASH FUNDED, WHAT IS GOING TO BE SUBMITTED FOR REIMBURSEMENT. FROM FEMA. AND WHAT SHOULD BE WORKED ON RIGHT AWAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE MAY HAVE NEEDS AND FY '26. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK THAT THROUGH. AND FIGURE OUT OWING, HOW DO WE BY ORDINANCE, GET THAT AMOUNT NEEDED THE RIGHT WAY, EFFICIENT WAY, SO WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON THE FUNDS THAT WE NEED. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MONEY THAT WE NEED '27. SO PART OF THE '27 BUDGET. SO WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OTHER THING THAT COUNCIL ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO BORROW BETWEEN FUNDS. FOR SHORT TERM. SO WE COULD DO MAYBE DO A LOAN TO THE GENERAL FUND. OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. EXPEND THOSE MONIES AND THEN WHEN THE BUDGET AS PROVED, REPLENISH THE FUND THAT WE BORROWED MONIES FROM. THAT'S ANOTHER POSSIBILITY TOO BUT HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. ONCE WE DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE NEED TO SPEND, BY FISCAL YEAR '26 OR '27.

Councilmember Waters: YOU SAY TAKING OUT A LOAN WHAT LOAN FROM. Testifier: BUDGET ORDINANCE ALLOWS THE ADMINISTRATION TO BORROW FUNDS BETWEENEL MONIES BETWEEN FUNDS TO THE, IF WE CASH NEED. WORKING CAPITAL ADVANCE. WATERS FOR SHORT TERM? TRANSFER OF FUNDS? Testifier: KIND OF LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT TO YOU WHEN WE DO THAT. IT SO COUNCIL GETS A REPORT. ON THE OIRNL THE INTER FUND BORG WHEN WE DO THAT. Councilmember Waters: PROVISO IN THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR? Testifier: YES. COMES INTO PLAY TOO. IF WE FEED DO THAT.

Councilmember Waters: I SIA IN CONTEMPLATION OF EMERGENCY SUCH AS WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW? SAY ASSUME THAT'S $5 MILLION, THAT ADMINISTRATION WAS ASKING FOR, FROM THE RAINY DAY FUND WAS FOR THE TAX REMICR MICRONES. Vice Chair Nishimoto: Testifier: NO RELATION TO THE TAX REMICRONESIAN. WHEN WE MADE THAT PROEM. TO COUNCIL. PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL BASED ON WHAT WE AVAILABLE. WHEN THE MAYOR SUBMITTED HIS AT THE TIME THE MAYOR SUBMITTED THE 27 BUDGET PROPOSAL. NO KNOWLEDGE OF E REMISSION ABOUT THE TRANSFER REQUEST.

Councilmember Waters: HOMEOWNERS HAVE 2 MONTHS APPROXIMATELY MAY YOU CAN THEIR CLAIM SUBMIT THEIR CLAIM. YES. Councilmember Waters: I WALKED THROUGH THE WAIALUA NEIGHBORHOODS AND AS I MENTIONED, EVERYTHING WAS DEVASTATE THE. I MEAN. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE COMPUTERS. MAY I SUGGEST THAT I'M HAPPY TO HELP. I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE. THIS IN ROOM HAPPY HELM. WALK DOOR-TO-DOOR. AND HELP PEOPLE FILL OUT THAT FORM. BECAUSE WHEN I WAS THERE, PEOPLE WERE, IT WAS THINK DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT. BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST CLEANING THEIR HOUSE. ELEL WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LAY THEIR HEAD.

Testifier: POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN ALSO DO THAT BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU I WAS OUT THERE ON SATURDAY, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, PEOPLE THERE ARE TIRED. FROM STRESS, CLEANING, AND ALL THAT HAVE STUFF. SO FEW OF THEM JUST TOOK THE FORM. LISTEN TO US IN TERMS OF WHAT HAD TO BE FILLED IN. I MEAN, HOW TO COMPLETE APPLICATION FOR THE CLAIM. BUT NONE OF THEM FILLED IT OUT THERE. TOOK A BUNCH OF FORMS FOR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA NATURAL SEEN A LOT OF DAMAGE, MAY NEED HELP.

Councilmember Waters: BACK TO THE PHYSICAL IMPACT ON THIS BUDGET, FISCAL IMPACT. JUST SAY THE HOUSING $10 MILLION. IS THAT COMING OUT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? Testifier:EL HOUSING. Councilmember Waters: ESTIMATE FOR HOUSING. ANYWHERE HE BETWEEN 5 AND 10 MODEL MILLION DOLLARS. HOUSING ASSISTANCE. 5 TO $10 MILLION. ARE WEDDING GO OEL PULLING THAT FROM THE EXISTING BUDGET? ARE WE PULLING THAT. Testifier: STILL GOING TO BE DETERMINED, IN TERMS OF THE TIMING. OF WHEN THE CASH IS NEEDED. SO THAT IS GOING TO COME COMELATER.

Testifier: ON HOUSING, WE'RE TRYING TO LOCATE HOUSINGER THAT HAD A HAS SOME CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, THE IMPACTED COMMUNITIES AND LOCATED A NEW BUILT U BUILD 7 PROJECT IN WAHIAWA. OF OF OF 1 UNITS. 61 UNITS OWNER HAS MADE AVAILABLE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ARE YOUR, WHAT REIMBURSABLE COST WOULD BE TO PROVIDERS OF UBER EURCH IT SCHOFIELD AWE U OFFER UNITS. RM UNITS. EL FLOW IT'S STATE WAS WORKING WITH SCHOFIELD ON THOSE UNITS BASICALLY, WE ESTIMATED I THINK REALLY ON THE HIGH SIDE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IMPACTED FAMILIES WOULD NEED TO BE IN THOSE UNITS. WHILE THEY REPAIR THEIR HOMES. KRISHNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON HOUSING PIECE?

Testifier: THANK YOU CHAIR. DEPUTY MANAGING DIRECTOR. COORDINATING CLOSELY WITH THE STATE THROUGHOUT HOUSING PIECE. AS MANAGE DIRECTOR, SHARED, THERE ARE UNITS AT SCHOFIELD. ER AVAILABLE ALREADY. ALREADY PROCESSING IT. EL WE CAN GO THROUGH 2 O 1020 DO THAT. ALSO BRINGING 201. EL BRINGING ON BOARD 45 MUST. SOME CITY AND SOME RESOURCED. AND RIGHT NOW, ANTON KRUCKY FIGURE OUT HOW WE MAKE THESE UNITS AVAILABLE. MEANINGFUL WAY BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE UNITS ARE EMPTY. THEY'RE NOT FISSURE FURNISHED. PRACTICAL RILTD REALITIES WORK THRIEWSM MAKE THEM AVAILABLE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND DISCUSSION HAVING QUESTION POOED, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, POSED, LOOK AT CURRENT BUDGET AND USING CURRENT BUDGET ANY SAVINGS THAT MIGHT BE IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET TO MEET THESE NEEDS. AND WHEN WE O DON'T MEET NEEDS WHEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MD. WITH ANDY. AND WITH YOURSELVES HOW WE GO FROM THERE.

Councilmember Waters: APPRECIATE THAT. WILL HE US KNOW IF WE NEED TO HAVE EMERGENCY BUDGET HEAR HEARINGS. HAPPY TO DO THAT. ACCOMMODATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. SNRO THAT YOU CAN CHAIR WATERS. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I KNOW THANK YOU MEMBERS FOR THE DISCUSSION. THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR. I WANTED TO START OFF WITH THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. HE HAVE I HAVEN'T IN FRONT OF ME NUMBERS OF ESTIMATED IT FOR FY '26. '27. HOW ACCURATE ARE WE ON THE ESTIMATE FOR FISCAL YEAR '26? Testifier: SO YOU ACCURATE, PROJECTION FOR '27 ALSO WHAT WILL WE ANTICIPATE?

Testifier: OKAY. SO FOR FY '26, WE ADVISED ALL CITY AGENCIES TO FIRST EXPAND PEND KNOWN SAVINGS. SO EXPEND. ASKED EVERY DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE ALL OF THEIR BUDGET PRIOR GENETICS. FOR THE REST THE OF YEAR. PROJECTIONS FOR '26. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT IS YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NORMAL COURSE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, DFM DOES STREAM BID CLEARING, AND IN THE AREA WHERE THE STORM HIT HARDEST, HAVE TO DO CLEARING OF THE STREAM BED. WE ASKED THEM TO USE THEIR ANY SAVINGS THEY HAVE IN THEIR BUDGETS THAT IS NUMBER ONE. AND THEN AT THE TIME, THAT THEY HAVE ESTIMATED OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN EXCESS, WHAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE, THEY GO TO PLANNING DIRECTOR. EL MANAGING DIRECTOR AND THAT'S WHAT THAT INNED E'O KIND INFORMATION IS BEING ALWAYS USED TO POPULATE OUR DODGE ASSESSMENT. RECALL.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. Testifier: STILL IN PROGRESS. STILL VERY EARLY. Councilmember Cordero: I WAS WONDERING SO THIS, 198 MILLION, FOR THE ESTIMATE FOR '26, THAT IS WE'RE COMING TO END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, THAT NUMBER STILL ACCURATE WHAT WE -- Testifier: 1 198 MILLION, TALK PHYSICAL STABILITY FUND ITSELF, APPROXIMATEEL CASH WE BELIEVE WE GEER TO GO HAVE ON STAND. WE'RE GOING TO STR ON STAND. SHOULD BE $200 MILLION BY JUNE . WITH INTEREST. OL ALLOCATED TO.

Councilmember Cordero: OKAY THANK YOU. I HAD JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS BASED ON THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU SHARED WITH US. THIEWPG FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THROUGHOUT THE TABLE OR SENATE SCHEDULE. TERM EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE MEASURES. EL DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. SOMETIMES IT'S OVER TIME. SOMETIMES JUST BY IT TESTIFY S CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT IS, WHAT IS THIS THIS CATEGORY.

Testifier: THAT ISER CATEGORY THAT IS LARGELYEEL ASSOCIATED WITH OVER TIME. WE'RE ON STILL NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR. SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS AT THAT HAD LABOR COSTS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN EXPENDED BUT FOR THE THIS EMERGENCY THEY INCLUDED LABOR PLUS OVER TIME. SO WHICH NEED TO GO THROUGH THOSE AND LOOK AT THEM. WHEN YOU SEE MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. PROTECTIVE MEASURES, BASICALLY OVER TIME FOR LABOR. THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT WERE DOWN IN THE EOC24-7. PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. WORKING OVER TIME. AND I WOULD NOTE WE HAD ONE SILTED I HOLIDAY ALREADY. WE HAD MANY CITY WORKERS WORK. CITY HOLIDAY ON THE HOLIDAY. WE HAD A WEEKEND THEY WORKED ON WEEKEND. WE HAVE A HOLIDAY THIS FRIDAY. WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING VOLUNTEERS TO WORK ON GOOD FRIDAY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE WEEKEND AGAIN INCLUDING EASTER SUNDAY. WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING VOLUNTEERS. A LOT OF OVER TIME.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. ER SOME OF THEM DO SAY OMPLET T AND OTHERS DON'T. Chair Okimoto: JUST CONSIDERED OMPLET T. IF I SEE THAT. OT. EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE MEASURES. NO OTHER, TYPE OF EXAMPLE P END TOUR OTHER THAN THAT? Testifier: EXPENDITURE I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DOCUMENT DEPARTMENTS ALL OF THOSE ENTERED DIRECT ANY THEY E O. C SYSTEM. PULLED FROM THE EO C THE SYSTEM WHAT I COULD KISS T&C SINCE. TELL ME WHETHER IT DECREASE DISCERNMENT. WHETHER EXCLUSION LIVE OVER TIME OR LABOR PLUS OVER TIME.

Chair Okimoto: IT'S IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. SO WITH THE SAME BLANKET CHARACTERIZE CATEGORY. THANK YOU. FOR UNDER THE KONA LOW 2, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT BWS. I SAW THAT I THINK IT WAS IN KONA LOW 2. THEIR AMOUNT WAS PRETTY HIGH. CORRECT. 19 MILLION. WHAT DOES THE STATS US OF B WS FISCAL YEAR '27 BUDGET?

Testifier: WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH CHIEF ENGINEER ALLOW. AND OUR FORMING LAU. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THIS WAS COMPILED OFF THE EOC WEBSITE. THIS WAS IN THERE WILL BECAUSE THEY WILL BE SEEKING FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR THEIR LOSSES BUT THIS WOULD NOT BE HANDLED AT OUR BUDGET. THAT'S WHY I DON'T BELIEVE YOU SEE IT REFLECTED IN OUR BUDGET. BECAUSE THEY'RE SPECIAL FUND AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN EMERGENCY RESPONSE. Chair Okimoto: 19.7 MOLNAR MILLION NOT GOING TO BE REFLECTED IN OUR BUDGET?

Testifier: MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THEY WOULD PROCESS THAT THROUGH THEIR OWN BOARD APPROVED BUDGET. AND I THINK IF FOR SOME REASON, THEY HAD AN EXPENSE THEY COULD NOT HANDLE THROUGH THEIR BUDGET COME TO THE CITY. RIGHT NOW, CHIEF ENGINEER LAU HASN'T INDICATED HE'S DOING THAT. Chair Okimoto: DOES BWS HAVE FUND SIMILAR TO OUR RESERVE FISCAL STABILITY FUND? Testifier: I DIDN'T CATCH DEPARTMENT. Chair Okimoto: BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY. STILL ON BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY. DOES BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY HAVE FUND SYSTEM LAR TO WHAT WE ARE USING WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO PLANNEDDING TO USE? STABILITY FUND? Testifier: INLD CADE THE THEY HAVE EMERGENCY FUND. INDICATED THEY HAVE EMERGENCY FUND.

Chair Okimoto: OKAY. WHAT IS THE MECHANISM FOR BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY TO REIMBURSE CITY IF FUNDS ARE DISBURSED TO THEM, FROM OUR RESERVE FOR FISCAL STABILITY STABILITY. WOULD WE DO THAT OR IN THE JUST EVEN TOUCH T LEAVE IT UP TO THEM. Testifier: HAVEN'T ASKED US YES. WE HAVEN'T ACT ACTUAL BAY WOULDE THAT MECHANISM. THAT WOULD BE THE MECHANISM IF WE IN THE EVENT THAT WE WOULD EXPEND OUR FUNDS, AND THEN HAVE TO GET REIMBURSED FROM THEM, WOULD THAT BE SCENARIO THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE?

Testifier: I DON'T BELIEVE SO. SPECIAL FUND SHE SHOULD BE SEARCH STENNING AND SELF-SUSTAINING SHOULD DOTTED DOM TO US. DIRECTOR LAU, CHIEF ENGINEER LAU INDICATE THE THEY WILL HANDLE THAT WITHIN THROWER EUP THEIR BUDGET. HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION THE YET.

Chair Okimoto: ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR COME TO END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. DOM PERFECT TIME. PEOPLPREPARING FOR NEXT FISCALY. OUR D DILL EMMA TAKE CARE OF SITS RESPONSIBILITIES LIMITED FUNDS THIS YEAR ASEL WELL AS TAN ANTICIPATING INTERSECTION YAHOO -- FLEXION IT YEAR. BIGGEST EXPENSES WE HAVE TO WOULD CONSIDER. NEXT YEAR. I'M GUESSING THAT E AN E&V, TEMPORARY LANDFILL, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF MY DISTRICT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS FISCAL YEAR. BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE. RIGHT NOW. WHERE DO YOU ANTICIPATE BIGGEST EXPENDITURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE COVER THIS YEAR AND FIGURE OUT WILL BE?

Testifier: FOR THE LANDFILL SPECIFICALLY.

Chair Okimoto: I WAS JUST SAYING MY QUESTION IS WHERE DO WE ANTICIPATE US HAVING COVER THE MOST EBBS PEND TOURSEL EXPENDITURES COST RIGHT NOW IN FISCAL YEAR AND I WAS ANTICIPATING IT WOULD BE CONNECTED TO, EMPLET AND V USAGE OF CORP. I COULD BE WRONG. E&V. I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND E&V FOR THE KONA ALOHA 2 I THINK, HADEL KONA LOW HAD HIGHEST, MATHIAS HAVE BEEN FOR KONA LOW 1. HIGHEST ESTIMATED EBBS PEND TOUR. OR EXPENDITURE OR COST AT 21 MILLION. THAT IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOK AT THE? COMING TO THE INDEPENDENT OF THIS FISCAL YEAR I THINK THEIR WATERS WAS ASKING ABOUT OUR RESPONSIBILITY WOULD BE VALUE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO COVER THESE COSTS THIS FISCAL YEAR. AS WHICH PREPARE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. ARE WE LOOK AT THIS BEING THE BIGGEST PART OR LARGE PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE FOR IT COVER THIS YEAR? E&V? AND THAT LANDFILL SNL OGBU ELSE SOMETHING ELSE?

Testifier: I THINK IT DEPENDS ON, IF WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE IS EXPENDITURE RELATED TO KONA LOW STORMS, AND WE WANT REIMBURSEMENT, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE PROGRAMMED IN THE CIP BUDGET. IT WOULD BE EXPENDED THROUGH THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. WE WOULD GET REIMBURSEMENT. AND THEN WHATEVER THE COSHARE IS, WE WOULD HAVE TO FUND LOCALLY. BUT THAT $20 MILLION THAT YOU RERNLINGSED FOR THE KYLE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, KAILUA. REAL DAMAGES TO THE IT PLANT, WHICH EXCEEDED CAPACITY. AND SO THAT 20 MILLION IS NEED THAT IS NOW. IT'S NOT A CIP. WE'LL PROBABLY SEEK REIMBURSEMENT.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. GOD KNOW. GOOD TO TOW. YOU MENTIONED BECOMES, OTHERS. GOOD TO INOUYE. ANTICIPATE THAT IS ACTUAL. NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ALIGNING WITH YOUR FRONT PAGE OF KIND OF USING THIS AS WHAT WE SHOULD BE, GOING BY. INSIDE PAGES ARE ESTIMATES. IS THAT HOW UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY?

Testifier: SO DIFFERENCE ON FRONT PAGES IS ANDY KAWANO AND I JUST DID VERY BEST TO CAPTURE WHAT WE KNEW TO BE LOSSES ON THE OPERATING AND CIP SIDE. ONCE YOU FLIP THAT PAGE, THESE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INPUTTING INTO THE EOC VIA FEMA GUIDELINES. ON LOSSES THAT I THINK THEYEN EUP INCURRED WE HAVE TO TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHICH OF THESE ARE ACTUALS, WHAT IS THE NUMBER IT, WILL IT BE OPERATING? WILL IT BE CIP? SAN THEN WHETHER WE WANT TO PROGRAM IT IN OUR BUDGET OR WHETHER WE WANT TO GO FOR RIEWRMTD WE HAVE EXPEND UP FRONT -- REIMBURSEMENT, FISCAL STABILITY FUND. SO THE TRUTH IS RIGHT NOW, IN WE GO THROUGH THE LINE ITEMS BY LINE ITEM WE DON'T KNOW.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. MAGAOTHINK LAST QUESTION. COMES TO THE FEMA ANTICIPATED REIMBURSEMENT, HOW MUCH DO WE ANTICIPATE CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU STATED IT OR I HEARD IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHAT ARE WE HOPE TO ANTICIPATE TO RECRUIT, RECOVER WHEN WE GET THE FEDERAL DECLARATION AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING REIMBURSEMENTS FROM FEMA? HOW MUCH DO WE ANTICIPATE TO GET BACK? Testifier: BLOOD PERCENTAGE. Testifier:EL WHAT PERCENTAGE, ONCE GET GET DECLARATION WE BELIEVE IT'S 75-25. I THINK THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU CAN GET HIGHER PERCENTAGE BUT TRADITION AJLY, 75-25%. SONAR 75 IS WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO GET BACK? Testifier: THAT'S CORRECT.

Chair Okimoto: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU CHAIR. TRY MY MAKE THIS FAST. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. AND I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE SOME DEPARTMENTS ESPECIALLY MAJOR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT, THAT MAY HAVE GOOD AMOUNT OF LANLSES, IS THERE WAY WE CAN TRANSFER FUNDING THAT WAY TO THENMENT LAPSES BE UTILIZED EITHER STOCK UP, MORE FUNDS INTO THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND OR ANY OTHER FUNDING BUCKETS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US?

Testifier: LET ME ASK DIRECTOR KAWANO. IF HE CAN ANSWER THAT. SO WE'VE ADVISED ALL DEPARTMENTS TO EXPEND FROM THEIR SAVINGS FIRST. AS MENTIONED EARLIER. I BELIEVE THAT I DON'T THINK WE WAIB WAIVED REQUIREMENT THAT DOES NOT ALLOW TRANSFERS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS. WHEN IT'S MAYOR'S EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION WAS ISSUED. SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME KIND OF SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET PROCESS. WHICH WOULD TAKE TIME. IF WE H HAVE TO DECIDE TO TRANSFER BETWEEN ADOPT DEPARTMENTS FOR THIS YEAR, THIS FISCAL YEAR. BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS. IT.

Councilmember Cordero: LET'S SAY IF -- Testifier: IF I'M WRONG, CORRECT MYSELF. BUT. Councilmember Cordero: JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT. I THINK IT'S THAT'S GENERAL RULE WE FOLLOW. Councilmember Cordero: OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT PROCESS. ABOUT THE WAVING OF TRANSFER BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS. THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: CHAIR WATERS. Councilmember Waters: THANK YOU. JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN EXPEND MONEY FROM THE RAINY-DAY FUND. IT FISCAL STABILITY FUND. WHAT TRIGGERS IT MAYOR'S DECLARATION OR GOVERNOR'S DERING DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY. Testifier: FOR THE. Councilmember Waters: FISCAL STABILITY FUND OR CAN WE COUNCIL GO AHEAD AND APPROPRIATE THE MONEY? WITHOUT EITHER? THE MONEY WITHOUT EITHER.

Testifier: CHAIR WATERS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND? Councilmember Waters: YES. Testifier: CORPORATION COUNSEL DANA VIOLA WISE ONE, ADVISED ME THAT THE MAYOR CAN TAP IT FISCAL STABILITY FUND WITHOUT COUNCIL. Councilmember Waters: MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. Testifier: WHETHER WE DO THAT ARE O NOT, REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

Councilmember Waters: IF THE GOVERNOR WAVESEL CHAPTER 46, HAWAII REVISED STATUTES. THEN THE MAYOR CAN TAP IT WITHOUT KAUNA PROMPLE. WAVES IS PROCLAMATION THE GOVERNOR'S PROCLAMATION EXPIRES? EL IN TWO MONTHS. WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IF THE MAYOR'S GOING TO DO IT HE HAS TO DO IT NOW. WAWAVE UNLESS THE GOVERNOR'S PROCLAMATION IS EXTEND WE DON'T KNOW IF HE HE'S GOING TO DO THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY HE INDICATION WHETHER OR NOT HE WILL?

Testifier: IS AS YOU NOTED, GOVERNOR HAS WAIVED CHAPTER 46 AND IT RM EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION EXPIRES BYEL CERTAIN DATE. HAVE THOSE DISCUSSION BUT MY EXPERIENCE TIME OF THIS DATA THESE EMERGENCY PROCLAMATIONS USUALLY GET EXTENDED. RIETOW RIGHT NOW. Councilmember Waters: RIGHT NOW, MAYBE CAN AND THROUGH BFS BFS, ACCESS THE FISCAL STABILITY FUND. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY. IT GOVERNOR HAS ISSUED EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION AND HE HAS WAIVERED CHAPTER 46R WAVED ADMINISTRATION HAS DOES HAVE ABILITY TO ACCESS THAT FUND. WAVED.

Councilmember Waters: WHAT REQUIRED GIVING US NOTICE YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT. WHICH HE IT. GOVERNOR GREEN FORTED WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF GOVERNOR DOES IN THE EXTEND EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION. DOES THE MAYOR NEED TO DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS THE NEED TO ACCESS THE FUND, AND THEN YOU COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROPRIATION? Testifier: YES. CHAIR WHICH LIKELY GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT QUESTION. WE NEED TO RESEARCH THAT. HISTORICALLY, THE GOVERNOR HAS EXTENDED HIS E P'S BUT IF THAT WAS TO LAP I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO YOU AND AGIVE YOU ADVICE ON THAT.

Councilmember Waters: ME TOO. LOOKING IT UP AS WELL. IT'S NOT CLEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR WATERS. MEMBERS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK MANAGING DIRECTOR DEPUTY MANAGING DIRECTOR AND DIRECTOR KAWANO FOR BEING HERE WITH US. APPRECIATE YOU TAKE OUR QUESTIONS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AS WE GO THROUGH THIS TIME TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES. MAHALO EVERYONE FOR ATTENDING. PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S MEETING. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS #METOOING IS -- MEETING IS ADJOURNED. ♪

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