Council - Regular Meeting

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Counselor Lange, wait on you. So my name is Cale Smith. I'm the city manager here in Homewood and I appreciate you guys all showing up and coming out for this. Comp plans don't exist well if people don't show up and tell us what they want. So your input and feedback is extremely, important and necessary. You'll hear a lot from Matt and from Brian in a minute. Anna is also on their team. I'm sure that they'll do some reintroductions. I wanted to do something I didn't do last time, and that was introduce our staff on the fourth floor. So Conrad Garrison, Conrad, raise your hand. Conrad came to us about two months ago. He is our zoning administrator. Amy Zary is our city engineer. She has been with us since October the 8th. And then Emily Harris Miller is our senior planning technician, and she's been with us for three and a half years. So if you ever decide that you want to develop or build anything, they're going to be your gatekeeper to that. So at this point, I'll turn it over to Brian.

Thank you. All right. Thanks for coming. I appreciate it. Last time we were here, the weather was a little bit nicer. It was pretty hot today. Just walking back and forth from our hotel. I was getting my sweat on for the day. So we're going to go through a presentation real quick and just kind of catch you guys up to speed. Matt will do most of the talking tonight. And then when we're done with that, we're going to have you guys kind of go through the different stations and give us feedback there as well. So updates. So for those, do we have first timers? Anybody who hasn't been? Okay, great. Yeah, so I'm Brian Wright. I'm the principal of town planning and urban design collaborative. And then I've got Anna who works with me. We're out of Nashville, Franklin area. And then Matt Nunkester here is the principal of city explained. And then we've got a whole bunch of other people who aren't with us right now, but will be involved in the project and economists and transportation specialists and all the people necessary to to you know make a great place and then the famous local architect Lewis Nick yet he's here in the front row so known Lewis for years and years so he's he's kind of like giving us the behind the scenes on things our local liaison if you will So we are, on your screens, with the red arrow, that's where we are, the ward meeting two. We've been, we had our meeting number one where it was a sort of an introduction to the process and the project and comprehensive plans in general. And then we kind of went away from there after we got some feedback during that first workshop. and did what we call scenario planning that matt's going to get into in detail later and so as we continue on from here we'll be starting to work on some visioning and some goals that will be included in the comp plan so far we you know for those who aren't aware comprehensive plan is just a high level policy document has you know goals and vision for the future It isn't a specific plan or proposal for anything to happen per se. And so, you know, as Cale said a minute ago, it's important to get the community feedback so we know where you all want to go in the future. What do you want this place to be like in the future? And then, you know, the point of the scenario is to help you understand what the tradeoffs are as you make choices about your future. And then we'll start working on the we'll have another ward meeting where we'll present some of those specific drawing concepts That will help you all evaluate whether you know, like we're hearing you correctly and then we'll have we'll start working on the client draft and then moving on to draft that will be you know going through the full city adoption process and so all the things we're doing so far up until the the end of this process that you see on your screen are all sort of let's call them in addition to the normal process right so a lot of places will just sort of maybe have like you know a visioning session one night, you all can come in, give your feedback, and then the staff goes off and writes the plan. And then it's, you know, you'll see a notice and you show up at a public hearing and you could stand up at the podium and give your two minutes and talk about If you like what's in the plan or not and so we have a pretty robust process here to make sure that everyone's had an opportunity to Be involved to understand what's going on to give that feedback and to evaluate as we go forward so As I said, we also are doing this Growth Choices Workshop, and Matt will explain that in more detail. But it's a bit more interactive. And what Matt's going to go through in the presentation tonight is going to kind of explain what's back there. So for those who are better at learning by listening, pay close attention. And for those who aren't so great at learning by listening, it's all on the walls. You do need to read it because some of them are not just pictures and little, you know, infographics. There's a few paragraphs there that you'll probably want to make sure you kind of understand because each one of these stations is different and what's at each station is very important. So there's the website. If you haven't found it yet, it's connecthomewood.com. And it's not just a place to go to learn information and see, you know, kind of what's happening. It's also a place to give input. So if you know somebody who wasn't able to attend tonight or, you know, they can go online and participate there. And then also if you missed the last workshop that we did, you can go online and take a look and see the results and give feedback as well. on that site. And then we've got our upcoming events. The big ideas and recommendations is coming in July. And so that'll be where we'll literally say like, oh yeah, you know, you guys said over here in this area, you'd like to see something, you know, different happen or something transform. We heard that. We drew this concept. to illustrate what we think we're hearing, not to say this is what should happen at this spot, but so it'll be very visual. We'll have renderings and actual master plan drawings and things like that. So stay tuned for that and make sure you participate. So I'll turn it over to Matt now, and this ought to be fun. He's very thorough. All right, thank you.

Okay, well, first of all, good evening. Thank you all for coming. As Brian had mentioned, sort of the spotlight of what today is is the Growth Choices Workshop. And I'm going to go over kind of what we're talking about, answer sort of who, what, where, when, and why, and then we're going to break as quick as we can because really mingling with the boards is how we're going to get your input today. So why are you here and what did we do? We came and created three fictitious stories. We could have created 103, 303, 3,003 different stories. Like for today, The important part is that I want to show you how we listened in earlier stages of the process and brought some ideas back for you to react to. But we're not asking you, like we're not trying to sign off on any of these or get so specific on them. In fact, in order to create scenarios, I do need to push us into some uncomfortable areas in order to get the reactions that we need and to create the trade-offs between the different ideas that we have. So that's what we did. Those are based off of different ideas of how to grow and how much to grow or not to grow within Homewood. Also development, development types, patterns, styles, intensities, locations that might be preferred within the community, as well as conservation initiatives and other quality of life matters that are very important to the community. So we do all of that. I'm going to show you how everything that we've done so far is based on the engagement process. Me, Brian, anybody else on the project team, we're not coming to try to sell you on one idea over another. We're coming with three equally positioned ideas, and we're trying to get some feedback so we can be more informed and smarter as we go into our other phases of the project. So all of them began at the same place. Um, we did some existing conditions analysis, um, kind of got the lay of the land for ourselves. And then we also grounded ourselves in the input that we have gotten and what we call the community ideas exchange. And we were here in January, uh, as well as the online virtual workshop that was on connect homewood.com and just some other things like stakeholder views, stuff like that, that we've heard. So that's what all this stuff is grounded in. That's where we began. We're also going to end at the same place as Brian had mentioned. We're gonna be coming back to you several more times and eventually we have to have what's called the conservation and development map. That'll be the map within the new comprehensive plan that frankly is the heart of the document. It shows you, again, preferred development types and land uses for the entire community at full build out and then all the rules and recommendations that go in the plan are supposed to be centered around that form and pattern of a preferred development scenario. And so really, we're going to end at the same place. Everything in between are these different ideas that we're testing. And so when you went around the different tables, there are letters in each right-hand corner. That's what you should really be keying in on, because I'm actually bringing different futures for you. So when you move from one station to the next, you kind of erase your mind and say, well, what would this future be like as we go through? And so the way that we develop these things is I think of this as the ingredients, the recipes, and then the meals that we serve. So in terms of the ingredients, it's all the different things that we're hearing. Tree canopy is important. The creeks aren't being cleaned out like they used to be. Our road maintenance is kind of We need to keep that up to snuff. Or we also want to see new things like activity centers or new energy or new ways to live or new ways to go to parks or parks closer to our homes. All of those things that we heard in the engagement process are the different ingredients. And then I take those ingredients and I say, well, we could do this or we could do that. And those become my recipes. And I start arranging the ingredients in different combinations in order to create a future for us to react to. And then this evening is what we're doing with the meal is served. So we're bringing for you three different futures. Again, they are fictitious stories made up by the consultant team. Grounded in all the engagement and the data that we've heard so far We are not asking you to pick any one of them and saying move this one forward But we wanted to come to you and frankly as an unbiased kind of national third party Kind of talk to you about some of these different things that we're seeing and hearing to get some reactions as you can imagine in the earlier events that we had it's easy to say I love trees or I love open space or I like mixed use, but everyone might leave with a little different definition of what you're talking about or what you feel about that. We're trying to now test you and test some of these concepts now and say, okay, when you say mixed use, are you talking tall buildings? Are you talking wide buildings in terms of like mixed use blocks? What exactly do you mean? So we're trying to actually put some definitions around some of the bigger ideas and concepts that we heard earlier. So as we come with three scenarios, we have A, B, and C. And if I had to tagline each one of these, and again, no preference to them, but what are we hearing and then what did the scenario sort of represent or coalesce around? Scenario A is what I call maintain the high life. These are the people who are very, very proud of Homewood. They love the way it is now. They want to protect it the way it is and should always be, just like it is now. With that being the case, the focus, though, then turns more towards maintenance. Some of you that I spoke with last time we were here, we talked about infrastructure and I talked about the four phases of infrastructure. So construction or a purchase, then you have to operate it. You have to maintain it and you have to either rehabilitate it or replace it. Eventually scenario a is really focusing on how do we keep up all those things that you have right now? as we jump 10, 20, 30 years into the future. How do we keep things from deteriorating? How do we program funds to make sure? How do we partner with the other service providers to make sure everything is top-notch and remains top-notch within Homewood? So that's scenario A. So it's basically saying less is more in terms of development because instead we're focusing more on maintaining what we have right now, but we have to acknowledge some of that vacant land and private property rights and those kind of things within the scenario, and I'll go through that. Scenario B I call incremental change. And this is under that concept that we've all wanted to evolve in our lives, and so a little bit of change is okay and good. And so we were very strategic in looking at six locations where we might test some changes in thoughts, ideas, concepts for how you might accommodate future growth or development in the future. It's more about staying small, smaller, more walkable, more quaint in terms of a community. So we're being very strategic in B. scenario c i call the hometown makeover it doesn't mean that we replace everything in homeward from edge to edge but you might be a little more uh... uh... forward thinking on market trends are changing new technologies that are coming again thinking twenty years into the future What happens to Brookwood Village Mall? We know there's already some investment on the way. It's proximity to the hospital. Should we try to really take advantage of that? Those kind of things. Should we do a little bit more in certain areas? And then what is the trade-off for that? Because if you're going to accept more in certain areas, what do you get in return for that? We'll go through that as well. So those are the three scenarios that we're bringing forward today. And as I had mentioned, you don't need to pick one of these. We're not trying to just make sure one of these gets moved forward. And we say, oh, great. We had a good meeting. We picked B. Let's put it in the plan and go. Brian is correct when he says we really have to hang out at these stations. That's why we're trying to go through the presentation fairly quickly and have most of your time at the stations, because we need you to pull these things apart. And we're going to say, what do you like about it? What do you dislike about it? What big questions might remain? Either questions we generated because of the stories we told or things you think we completely missed that are important for Homewood. Eventually, we will take as many of the likes as we can, and we'll also address the dislikes to the best of our abilities to come to that preferred scenario. So it'll just be bits and pieces of everything that you see today. So for each of the stations that we have here, again, Brian had mentioned that it's It repeats in terms of what's presented, but each station is a different future. So really pay attention to the letters that are in the right-hand corner. And so for each stations A, B, and C, for each of the futures, we have the same boards. We have what I call kind of my Hallmark Channel board, which is just let me try to make you melt with my picture of what Holmwood will be like in 20 years. Really try to pull on the heartstrings of different things we could try to do to keep this the greatest place in the world. So that's the one you have to read. You see the speech bubbles that are there? That's just to show you from the process up to this point, this is not consultant ideas. This is grounded in the different ideas that we heard in the engagement process. So you'll see that in surprise, the community does not agree 100% on everything, probably something you already knew. And so it was very easy to find these scenarios because there were some disagreements as you went through the process. Scenario B is where we try to take the areas that are targeted for development, the different scenarios, and bring them to life for you a little bit. So you'll see some drawings. Underneath each drawing, you'll see an explanation of what's going on in that specific area. So each of the circles that are on the map are tied to a specific geographic place, and you can react to what might be proposed in that place. and then the bottom right hand corner you see we actually ran this through what we call likely impacts analysis and modeling exercise and we just tried to give you some very high-level vitals for the different scenarios so how many more people would we be adding in terms of residents how many more people to be adding in terms of new employees they might be able to come new students and what that means for the school district, how many more police officers or firefighters you may need to keep pace with demand, how much more parks and open space are we able to get for you in order to continue, again, this quality of life initiative, this idea about trying to build in more greenways and retrofit more greenways and or plug into a more robust sidewalk and bicycle facility network on street and adjacent to the street. We heard a lot about the tree canopy and maintaining the tree canopy. So how are we maintaining it? Are we losing it? Are we gaining? And then you see in the bottom right hand corner, that's the different ways you might want to live within Homewood. And so what what is the new product that's being brought forward? What type is it? Is it single-family detached one home on one lot? Is it more like a townhome or is it an attach what we call the Plex series duplex triplex quadplex and so on Or is it small format apartments? More like units that are stacked on each other The way these boards look when you look at the left-hand column for each board. That's what is the condition today is where you see the plus sign next to it, that's how much more would come at full build out of all of Homewood. So all of the land that either is vacant or targeted to redevelop or infill development, what is the incremental change? So when you see the plus sign, that's how much more is coming. The number to the left of that is what is the condition today. And then just on my left here, if you really just want to cut to the chase, and you say, this is too much to read and take care of, we have a side-by-side comparison board over here. So you can just get the stories, the quick and dirty version of each story, and the comparison of how they perform, and you can just go straight to that station as sort of the executive summary of everything going on. Or if you're like, there's so much to remember as I go from station to station, this will be able to be everything right in front of you at one time. And as we've sort of mentioned, your feedback is everything for this. And the way we're going to record your feedback is we have at each station, there's three sections to the tables. Things I like about the scenario, things I dislike about the scenario, and questions I may have spurred with the scenario. And it might be things you think we omitted, other things you think we should add or consider. And for each one of the stations, you should leave a post-it note. So just because you left notes at A, you should also do it at B and C. And then we have different questions at the end if you want to answer those as well. That is the written record. That's the thing that's going to travel with us. So you could speak to us all night. I'll do the best to try to remember it. But if you can get it written down, it travels with us. And so Post-it notes are going to be really important for this. And you can see we can fit as many as you want. We can stack on top. So don't hold back. And there's no limit on how many you give us. All right, so what I want to do real quick is just paint a picture for each of the scenarios so you heard it from me. And if you have follow-up questions, let me know. I actually did the modeling and stuff on this. So if you really want to get geeky and detailed, we can do that. We can either do it as a group or even at the stations. I can tell you every assumption that we had made as we went through this. But I want to give everybody just a quick high-level overview of the different futures that we're bringing to you and then let you mingle with the boards in more detail as we go through. All right, so scenario A, remember, more is less, or less is more, sorry. As this one is, conditions largely remain the way they are today. So if you pick three, four, five streets to drive through in Homewood, we're trying to really take more of a preservationist approach in terms of what you see is what you get. As part of that, though, we have to remember, so all those areas that are sort of in the darkest red are the vacant parcels that we are able to find through GIS and aerial photography. And so we have to remember that those people do have some rights, but those rights are governed by zoning and the decisions made at the dais. So they're not guarantees. They're just rights to bring ideas forward. But all of those areas potentially could have an idea brought forward for it. So what we did was we said, if that idea comes forward, we're going to let the zoning ordinance win in terms of what should go there. So we're enacting the zoning ordinance on the vacant property that's still there. Generally speaking Homewood remains very quaint and beautiful but suburban so in a lot of ways you're having to drive Between home and work and shopping and school and those kind of things It's still a lot of driving that goes on in terms of the community So I would determine that to be more suburban and I call low to medium density residential neighborhoods beautiful neighborhoods but more single-family detached homes than anything and Also, in this scenario, to create one extreme point, the number of parks and open space, we just keep it exactly the same. We're not gonna search out any more for you, but we're not gonna lose any as well. And so that's what we end up doing with this scenario in terms of open space, is just saying, let's just keep it the way it is. Again, most residents are driving to and from In terms of the home choices, this is where we listened most closely to the ideas exchange that we had with you in January. And there was overwhelming interest in single family detached homes. You must have had some experiences with apartments and things based on the feedback that we had gotten. So this scenario really is all about single family detached homes. downtown remains as it is today and so if you walk the streets of downtown today we just try to keep it the way it is if we do think bring in things it's a few more restaurants small businesses and the like and you see in terms of residential units we don't try to introduce anything new within downtown what is here today is what would be here in the future Infill development and redevelopment is generally discouraged. Now, you might see, like I was on a walk today, you see some homes that are maybe single lots that are being reinvested and things like that. But in terms of more large-scale infill development or redevelopment, we're hands-off in this scenario. Again, this is the less is more, and we're really just trying to maintain what we've got going forward. Um, so what ends up happening is the, if the infrastructure is going to age and sort of decay over time. And so really a lot of the city's resources and time and energy will be going into maintaining. Which you already have right now, which means you'll do it yourself, but you'll also partner with the other providers that we have in the area. Now there is just one thing to bring up here. So we all have our eyes wide open. In other communities we work in, when we try to follow this kind of maintenance scenario, there could be stress when we're looking 20, 30 years out into the future on the tax base. And part of that is because a lot of times, few things happen. One is when you do see new development, redevelopment, infill development, it ends up getting done, it gets its certificate of occupancy, it gets reassessed. In theory, the reassessment should be higher than what was there now, so it's generating more tax revenue. It's higher tax production potential. That would go away in this scenario because we're really just trying to keep everything the way it is. The other thing to think about is that the costs of infrastructure, think of that in your numerator, and think of the number of residents in your denominator or households. denominator is going to stay the same so we're not really trying to grow but as you do maintenance and things and the city and others can tell you it gets expensive as you go on and do major operations maintenance and then eventually replacement or rehabilitation and a lot of cities see that as you grow and continue to bring some more residents and things in that denominator grows so the proportionate share is spread out among more people Again, not a good thing or a bad thing, but it's just with this scenario, sometimes if you just hold and let things sort of age over time, either your taxes may go up or your services may go down in order to address that. I lived in a community once where they said, that's fine. We don't want to grow, raise our taxes. So, I mean, it's all appropriate, but you just have to have your eyes wide open of what might happen to support that scenario. Scenario B is incremental change. So now we're being very strategic and only looking at a few different areas. Again, generally trying to remain small and quaint, but become more walkable and maybe do some very strategic investments to improve the quality of life here. And so you see here five kind of things that were the marching orders that we had from the ideas exchange and the comments we've gotten. One is to build a more connected system of sidewalks, bicycle facilities, and greenways. Remove the gaps and those kind of things. There are some very wonderful stretches to walk down and then all of a sudden the sidewalk ends or the bridge has no sidewalk or something of that nature. This would try to address a lot of those issues, just being strategic in terms of doing it. Trying to increase the open space to include both new offerings, larger spaces, and closer to the communities that they're supposed to serve. replanting and expanding the city's tree canopy, making the downtown a little bit more vibrant in terms of investment, things like the old jail site, those kind of things might be a target to introduce something new. And then the excellent school district being sustained through. So again, this is more about doing things in small areas, but doing things that just keep reinventing yourself just enough that you stay relevant, cutting edge, and at the forefront of the larger Birmingham region. Again, so here city officials would then say we're more focused on a very specific list of areas in order to focus our development. We'll do that through our decision making, but we'll also do that for where we target our investment dollars for infrastructure and those kind of things. So with this scenario, we chose six sites. Again, you may add a seventh, you may subtract one of these six, but these were for reactions. We picked six sites. We did the Brookwood Village Mall, the old jail site, the roadway inn that's at I-65, The Board of Education property on Valley Avenue, the Wildwood Corridor that just has some aging businesses in it, and the Green Springs Highway Corridor, which again, looking 20 and 30 years out in the future, these things are going to sort of age out and need some improvement and some love. And so again, only six sites would really be looked at here. So then what happens is those sites are being reimagined for mix of uses. And you see here, we're looking at about three to four stories tall as the maximum within these areas. And again, I'm trying to put enough meat on the bones here because I'm trying to elicit reactions from you. So in this scenario, we're looking at about three to four stories. And then because the buildings are becoming a little taller, more intense in these areas, they have smaller building footprints. Because of that, the areas in between the buildings, we would really try to program for public open space or just public space in general to offset sort of the acceptance of more density in taller buildings. We try to put more public open space on the site as well. Some of them would have a mix of uses vertically. So we might have residential on the bottom and either, I'm sorry, retail on the bottom, residential or office above. And then also this idea about small locally owned businesses. Again, from the ideas exchange that was very popular to maybe not be chain or franchise type businesses, but how do you get the local businesses here and take advantage of the creative minds that are in Homewood? And then some emphasis on trying to bring some office and jobs back into the community so you don't have to leave to go to work every day. And again, in these six areas. So in this area, you may still be doing a lot of driving, but once you get to one of those six areas, you park once and you never have to get in your car again. You should be able to walk between different destinations and experience the area for many hours if you so choose. Limited number of residents may be able to live not nearby and walk especially if we improve Sidewalk or bicycle facilities connecting them, but we're not trying to have mass disruption within the community And so you see that bottom bullet there is, in some ways, you could either focus on the six sites that we're looking at targeting change in, or you could say, look, by only focusing on those six sites, we're safeguarding everything else. So everything else would not be under threat under this scenario with different policies and recommendations to try to safeguard that way of life in those areas. In the six areas, we are testing out a couple of different home choices for how you could live within Homewood. And so you'll be able to react to those. So not just single family detached lots, but looking at different housing types that might be available to you now or to your children or as you age, all those different options that would be there. I do want to get some reactions, so there are some small scale apartments. We're not talking about two, three hundred unit type things, but where they get tucked in on certain blocks or things in order to get more people within walking distance of these new businesses that we're looking at. And then again the different home sizes and types We do not want to create pods of like this type is here that type is there but try to mix different densities Within the same area and to do it through design doing addressing density through design All right, so in these areas, there is existing infrastructure here. It will also be aging, but we have to look at these six sites and also maybe upfit some of the infrastructure in these areas. You might need bigger pipes. You might need other improvements that are needed to support more intense development than is there today, especially in the redevelopment scenarios of the commercial corridors. And so the city and its service partners would be looking at how do we upsize in order to make sure we can accommodate this growth when it creates its plan for the future. All right, now the last scenario, again, is probably the most change. So I've taken you from the least amount of change, now I'm going to the most amount of change. All right, so again, the hometown makeover says city officials are compelled to accommodate future growth in taller buildings this time around, either in activity centers or in corridors. I can tell you just when you get to the fine print, we're now looking at five to six-story buildings in some of these areas. I'm not going any more than six. I don't want to be crazy, but I'm just telling you these are taller. So react to that. See what you think. And is it... Bad everywhere? Is it okay in certain areas? Those are the kind of things to think about. If you do go into more intense buildings, though, I take the example from when I worked in Leesburg, Virginia. You can do density if you demand design. Right, from architect, right. So if we get the right materials on the buildings, the right scale, the right play with your elevation and your slopes and things in this area, you can hide density very well. And so if you go more dense, you're also gonna create a lot more rules in order to shape what those buildings and development looks like to make sure it meets your standards as a community. So more density but also more design in this scenario. So we have the same six target areas that we had from Scenario B, but we add four more. We take the Metropolitan Office Complex just south of the Brookwood Village Mall. Right now it's got a few taller buildings, I think six stories if I'm not mistaken, but there's a lot of parking around it as well. And so what could happen in that site? some parcels near Hughes Circle, as well as one or two vacant parcels you see at Reese Street, and then the Oxmoor Road corridor as well, which would be looking at that form-based code that you have. So these areas would be in addition, too. So we would put more areas on the map that could witness change in the future. All ten sites would be more mixed-use again. You see Oh four to six stories tall So not five to six four to six again more public spaces some of them would be stacked vertically with mixed-use and again this preference about trying to get small business ownership local business ownership And this preference to try and keep some of the workers from having to leave every day With some of that like if we look at the Metropolitan and those kind of things what we can do More compact and more urban principles in the centers get us to critical densities and intensities that might support transit. If you remember in the room we heard about the trolley system and some people loved it and some people hated the idea. I've brought the trolley system into this scenario in terms, but I have to get enough development intensity to support it. Otherwise you have no riders on the system. So this one, we are a little bit more urban and compact in these 10 areas, but it's to support things like transit, more walking and biking for daily trips. And then we're also looking at trying to expand the trail network to get into the Red Rock Trail system near the university and the larger regional system that would be formed. So again, a lot of emphasis here in walking and biking and transit in this scenario. Similar to B, we would have to upfit and oversize or resize some of the infrastructure here, so we'd be targeting these areas for new improvements. Both the city and its partners would be going through it. So again, a lot to hear. You can read all of this again, but I want to make sure you heard it at least one time from me. uh... as you get to the side by side comparison as i said if you just want to jump to the end it's available here for you or if you don't have to keep everything in your mind anyone be able to refresh yourself as you go to the process on my left hand side here are the comparison stations there's only two boards there One is a very succinct summary of what I've just said or what's on the boards for each of the scenarios, a short story, and then the impact calculations that go with it. So those are available for you when you get through it. Now, for each of the scenarios at A, B, and C, I told you it's things you like about the scenario, things you dislike about the scenario, or questions you have or we've generated for you. When we get to the side-by-side comparison, we want to know, did your mind change at all after going through the different stations? Which one would you think we should start with? Those kind of things. So you kind of give us a little bit of the starting blocks to come back to you next time. All right. So I'm wrapping up here to tell you that this was really more about mingling with the boards. You don't have to go in any specific order. So if everybody goes to A and C is open, feel free to balance yourselves out. It's all the same. But try to get to every station as you go through here because we need those written comments. Again, they're going to be the things that are the legacy that come with us. So anything you have. The consultant team will also be floating around. So if you have a question about the scenario, just kind of pull us on the shoulder. We can go over to that station and explain some of that stuff with you. And again, it's things you like, dislike, or questions that you have. And then these are the four questions that are actually at the end. So have your feelings changed at all after seeing some of the reactions or opportunities with a word like mix of uses or preservation or density or multimodal, that kind of planar jargon, but Have things changed at all when you get that information? Again, in which scenario do you think we should start with and which one matches your viewpoints for Holmwood's future? We just like to kind of know that and you can do all that over on this station here. So with that, we will end. For those of you who are watching online, we're going to now go to our stations and just mingle with the boards for the rest of the evening. If you all have any burning questions, you can just come find me right away. We can go to the scenario and look at it. But again, the rest of the night now, you can stay as long as you want, but it's really to understand the scenarios, react to them, but also get your thoughts and opinions written down for us. Quick question. Quick question.