Council - Regular Meeting

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Pre-consil meeting of for the city of Homewood, January 12th, 2026. Councelor Simmons here. Councelor Sims here. Councelor Lane here. Councelor Armstead out and Mayor Andrew here. You got a

Okay, we have four folks here. So, all right. Thank you so much everybody for joining us and welcome back. And it is time to get back in the groove. It's been a few weeks of sitting on my couch, so it's time to get back to it. Um, all right. I'm going to read through uh Nope. We are going to talk about these tonight. That's right. We carried these over for the last two meetings. Okay. Okay. So, we're going to start with the first item, which is 031225. Public hearing set for January 26 at 6 p.m. for consideration of condemnation at 1625 26th Avenue South brought to us from Mr. Pew. Hey. Hi.

So, this particular case, I don't know if you have the picture, Brian. it has been sort of under uh some sort of effort to enforce the the nuisance abatement since 2023. Um that's how long we've sort of been kind of batting the ball back and forth. The owner, Adrien Lee, uh I have a phone number. We we spoke back in 23 about this. Uh she stated she has plans for it, but those never came to fruition. And now I I can't I can't I know she was elderly at the time. This is Was she local? Was she local or

I don't think so. I think it was she's not part of the family. She um but uh this house is not owned by a bunch of mayors. It's just in her name. But let me ask you a question about that. Is it not though Arrington Jr. has a lean against it? Correct.

Yes. Okay. And it's and with this it the question I got is because of this lean is he trying to obtain that property with the lean where he inherits this property. You know I think it's $20,000 if I'm not mistaken that he owes and he's charging interest. is $20,300 or something of that nature. And the value of the property is what 59,000 assess probably.

Uh uh about all that. I couldn't tell you. That's a whole different legal thing. The city does have authority, however, to abate unsafe structures. We actually have responsibility to do that. So in this case, that that's what we're doing. At no point will the city take ownership of this property. We will simply abate the nuisance. So we'll knock it down. We'll knock it down. And that money goes against the property. Yes, sir. The we will place a lean against the property for whatever money we spend to abate the nuisance.

And with the lean now we take it in the lean against that uh Mr. Arrington Jr. has against it. How does that work? I mean that's not I know that's legal again. That's probably going to be key when when someone buys the property. I assume that that's when they would have to pay those. I'm not really I'm not the attorney you're your guy for that, but um I can speak to the nuisance abatement. Okay. So, it's open to the elements. It is. And it's been that way for years and years. So, this unsafe structure

no one's ever really tried to do a little while back. Um Some folks went over there and tried to sort of fatten up the windows and and tarp it up and all, but I mean it was kind of too late for that once they started anyway. Any other questions? Yes. All right. Okay. Well, we will have that public hearing at our next meeting, which is January 26 at six o'clock next door. Okay.

Thank you very much, but don't go anywhere. So, our next item is 041225, a public hearing set for January 26 at 6 p.m. for consideration to approve an amended development plan for the proposed Homewood Community Church to permit the construction of a new two-story building comprising a total of 30,797 square feet as well as associated parking, landscaping, and other site improvements. The subject is properly currently zoned gird. And this is also brought to us from Mr. Pew. Yes. So, we have some folks here to to speak intelligently about this. You have any questions? Great. You want to present to us? You all want to come on up? Yeah, I can. I don't know if you have the pictures.

I do. I was I thought this had already been presented. Just give me a few minutes. You're good. I didn't know we were coming back to this again. So, give me a couple minutes. I'll appreciate these around. Yes, ma'am. I brought an extra. Would you not? Yeah. I'm Brian Hatcher with engineering, but

no problem. This is the lot that is currently behind the edge um adjacent to Columbia Road. Um this in the last um planning commission we also there's a property to the north of this that was owned by Shinara that we subdivided and the back half of that property which was all parking lot. The church is under contract with and closing within the next month. It may be closed by the time this meeting comes up. But um and so what they're wanting to do is put their church building on this property behind the edge. the majority of bulk of their parking is on the northern property across the ditch. Um we've talked to Kale and met with staff and we're going to right now plan on piping the ditch across our parking lot knowing that we have to accept maintenance rights for that and the church is okay with that. Um one of the big items that came up in planning commission from the neighborhood was buffers between the neighborhood and the church. Um, right now there's not a whole lot of buffer between the Edge parking lot and Colombana. So that's kind of what this drawing shows is a little bit more detailed version of the buffer between our playground and the Colombiana roadside and some sight lines up on the top left corner. We wanted to and we'll give this to staff so they can include in the presentation for the 26th as well. But I want to go ahead and let you see them. and then we'll answer any questions you want. Basically, what you're looking at is an auditorium for the church and then classroom wing going to the north.

What is this structure right here? Is that that is that's actually parking lot. Okay. Um that's the classroom wing. Yeah. That's the auditorium and that's the back building of the edge. Okay. And this is showing the neighborhood right here. Is this is this showing the That's showing a view from Colombana if you're looking across at the church. Okay. Gotcha. What's the south? What's the south part where the auditorium is looking back at that looking toward Omega Tire, right? Uh there's town homes directly on below south of the south. Okay. So So right here, those are those are town homes. Yes.

And so our main entrance is to the left on your page, which is the edge parking lot to Green Springs. And then our other entrance is to the north on Car Avenue. And then we'll connect the two through behind the edge. So you can kind of see it there. That's our entrance zone car,

the bulk of the parking lot. And then the building's down here with the edge sitting in front of it. So the main access would be the current edge entrance and the the current Shinara parking lot entrance on car. I feel like I was on the planning commission maybe TJ when you came forward with your first property and you all kind of worked out. That's what we did. We did we did an easement straight through to the back on the edge here. There's a 15 foot buffer between the town homes and that property already which will remain right. That's correct. So you have a buffer on all sides of the church.

You will have that's Yeah, that's a buffer on the south side that's existing that we're maintaining. And then the green is an undisturbed landscape buffer. The blue is the building setback line. Did they discuss the they did discuss the landscaping part on that as a buffer against Columbia? They did. Yes. And that's kind of what this drawing is showing, right? We were talking about any heights in that. It would meet the city code which I believe is six. I know Sherry's not in here. I don't see her, but I think it's six feet at year three. There's a grow there's a growth height that we have to meet for the buffer requirements. I just don't have that off the top. Six feet at year three.

I think that's right. Six to eight at year three, something like that. Okay. Because the class is going to be pretty short year one. I think year one. I think if you're looking at the drawing, if you look in the upper left corner, the dark green of those shrubs is year one. The grayed out portion of those shrubs would be which not that one, but on your paper version would be the year three mark is what you're looking at. The playground. Yes, sir. Is it going to be open during the weekdays for uh activities?

The church does not currently have any weekday activities current. They they have no plans to do a daycare because I if I'm not mistaken, I think some of the neighbors across the street were complaining. Am I right? Wouldn't there some conversation about the neighbors across the street about buffering? Yes. Um so the neighbors along Colombana who I believe the church has met with a couple times to

in discussion of this development um their primary concern is is definitely about um additional traffic um and buffering as well as storm water. Those are kind of some of the main conversations that came up. Um in regards to additional traffic, obviously there's not access from Colombana which is a big deal. There was just concern about not having any type of construction um access either of Columbia. We we agreed to no construction access to Colombana. We've had a traffic report done by Skipper, right, to determine impacts to the adjacent roads. There were no significant significant impacts. One of their concerns was currently headlights in the edge parking lot.

Exactly. Which our building blocks all of that. Um, and then our proposed landscape buffers would majority cover the sight lines of the new building as well because our building will sit a little higher than the road. As you look up, our bushes, our shrubs will cover majority of the building as well. Was that playground on there on the land at the planning commission? Okay, I'll just make sure.

Yeah. And it it abuts right up to the undisturbed buffer line. So, we've still got 30 feet to our property line and then another 15t to the street. So, it's set back pretty far from Columbia's curb line. The um the buffering was definitely part of the conversation and um the do you have a rendering which shows the um you know what the what the appearance would be from Colombiana. Looking at the rendering you know standing on Colombana at the church once built. We have a we have a graphic that shows that

we have a graphic of what the side of the building looks like. Yeah. Um so these are the building elevations themselves. This would be the elevation from the Columbia side. Yes. So that's just helpful for people I think to visualize thinking about. Then towards the right of that graphic, right? I believe if I'm not mistaken, that's where there would be a playground in front of sitting in front of the lawn. which would be gated and then there would be landscaping in front of that gate. That's correct. And that fence I mean um so just visually just wanted to show that for reference. Green Springs on the other side. Green Springs will be the west elevation. But if I'm looking at the bottom picture, Green Springs is behind.

Yes. Behind the edge will be fully behind it. Is there is there a certain budget you have in there in the landscaping to maybe be a little bit higher to start with and then No, sir. I will say all the trees when I bought it, the only trees I took down were the dead ones. So all the trees that were there when I bought it are still there and they're very tall. So what they're doing is filling in. You're going to fill in between. That's That's correct. So filling in everything. So what's there today will remain. We're filling in amongst those. Okay. So you do have a higher line that's not shown on that drawing just because we didn't model all the existing trees for the existing trees.

Yeah. And then is there let's see this is the rendering we're all looking at currently. I think the other thing that's just noteworthy to to discuss um as part of the presentation too if you could I know there was a subdivision case or combining of of lots at at a planning commission. Could you talk kind of about the drainage area and you know the way that's going to be there's going to be a vehicular bridge that's going to connect the parking from both sides and the importance of that the parking spaces and the anticipated traffic flow from yeah you know each each entry point.

Yes sir I can do that. So currently, as you all probably know, the edge sits here, there's a concrete ditch that runs from Green Springs all the way to Columbia where you've got Shinar's property to the north and the edge to the south. So our entrance, one of our entrances being on Green Springs through the edge parking lot on our main portion of our parking is on the north of that ditch. So what we are going to look at doing is basically piping our section of ditch to get our parking over top of it. It'll be box coverage which will be much bigger pipe but um we're basically piping and covering our portion of the of the ditch would be which would be way up there in the very top right where the sheet cuts off at an angle here. So that would help you.

Yes sir. So there's a currently the ditch that runs through here. We're proposing to cover this section on our property to leave the ditch running but allowing us to have multiple drives across it. So that will let us have one contiguous parking area that sits somewhat like this. And so this current parking lot to the north is pavement today or broken up pavement or gravel or some combination of those three. That that parking lot will drain exactly the way it does today. There's another concrete ditch that runs to the north of this side. It will drain to there or into the main culvert. Where we're adding impervious area is going to be the building in this area through here which is

grass today with the undisturbed buffer that's in the green. So we're proposing underground detention system on this side that will then tie into our pipes going into where we're culverting the ditch across. So that way we meet pre-post, we can keep the drainage patterns the way they are and impact the people around us the least. Um flood the floodway in this area does come close to our property. However, it ends somewhere over in here across the street. So we don't have floodway to contend with or flood plane. However, we do still have to be city ordinances for pre-post and water quality and those things. So that's a rough rundown of storm water, but big picture, it's complicated, but it's pretty similar to everything else we'd have to do in the city. So

any other questions? Um, so we will have this public hearing next uh in two weeks. 26 at 6:00 right next door. Be great. Thank you. All right. Next item. 051225. Public hearing set for January 26, 2026 at 6 for consideration to approve an amended development plan for Brookdale University Park to permit the proposed construction of a pickle ball court on the south rear side of Brookdale Senior Living facility on the site of an existing paved parking area. Mr. P. Yes. Y'all here to speak about the pickle ball. Come on up.

Yeah. Uh good evening. My name is Matt Sims. I'm with Shaw and uh basically the description that is in your packet is what we have been asked to uh to do. So there is a portion of the existing parking lot down here to the south. Uh it's not currently being utilized for anything. It is over and above the minimum uh city required parking counts. and um they are looking to put in a pickle ball court to use for recreation for the residents as well as some uh therapy items as part of the skilled nursing. Uh there are no uh proposed structures associated with this, only fencing around um the court itself uh and no proposed uh lighting improvements out here. All this is going to take place during the day and most of all of the residents will be in bed before dark

and there's no other residential behind like adjacent immediately like that's the mountain back there. Correct. Yes. Right on the south side of of that area is a very very tall retaining wall and then it just continues to go right past that. Any questions? No questions. That's exciting. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, that will also be next door uh on the 26th at 6 o'clock. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

All right. New business uh 010126. You get the first item of the year, Blake. Request to declare various vehicles and equipment surplus and various city hall furniture. Mr. Graves. Uh furniture was added on. We're going to take care of that. But also is that this is that in here? That's his first there. There will be a couple of things that remain, but we're going to clean all this up and and make it look nice. It's just end of an era. 11 deaths that nobody ever used. There's some various other items in in finance and some other areas. Okay.

And we've got uh a fleet of vehicles that we're surplusing also due to the vehicles we just purchased in. Time to roll these other ones out. And there is a fuel tank on here from the fire station 3 that will be surplusing. And so you all should have received that information your packet. Go ahead. But how how many police vehicles are going to be on this surplus?

There's going to be seven police. Uh actually eight, but one of them is going to be due to a loss total out. total out. So it's going has still has to be declared surplus and insurance collected but a total of seven. So is that the Ford F-150? That's the total loss. Yes. And then the are all the Taho the police or what? Uh yes sir. Every Tahoe is police and you've got one inspection and two street vehicles. Two. How how when we when we surplus the police vehicle, what is their usually return? Can you give a kind of an idea of percentage what we get

on return on on a on a whether on an auction is it 20 cents on a dollar? Is it 50 cents on a dollar, 70% on a dollar? I'll tell you just in the last few times we have surplus. Now we strip all the equipment out of anything patrol lights. Correct. Uh we leave the cages because they can't be used and they will not bring anything but scrap. So we get actually more money when we surplus it. We surplused one had a issue with the transmission and it brought right at $5,500 with $160,000 miles. So we get pretty good return. I don't have the exact dollar amount on what the average is, but you say 6,500 5500500.

Yes, sir. Uh we get pretty good on the patrol cars because they're really highly solid. Well, the only reason I'm bringing this up is is basically because and then I don't think it affects you as much as it does with the police with police chief and them. I'd be interested to know for $5,500. It's just throwing that as a one of just throwing a number out. Okay. If it behoo us to hold two or three of these vehicles not being used to park it potentially have so we have uh representation say in Edgewood a car police car sitting there even though we don't have a police officer there it might

uh even on Valley Avenue up toward Valley park a car there which potentially even though there's not a police officer there but people see that It deters crime. I'm just saying as a thought process, maybe a couple cars. It'd be worth that kind of money instead of having a police officer up there doing it all the time. Yes. And I I mean that would be a conversation with Chief Ross. Uh but, you know, we'd be happy to support him in whatever that that need may be.

What's your thoughts on something like that? Bad ideas, good ideas. Well, I think Sam has been doing a deep dive on our fleet and has been looking at bringing in a um a service that would do um an inventory and sort of an audit of what we have going on. So, I I think we would want to do that before we What are your thoughts, Sam? I think so. I think mayor we do a fleet management study just to look comprehensively. Do we have too many cars? We have enough cars. What are the life cycles of cars etc. I mean, what our inventory there something discussion about bring

I don't necessarily think that's a bad idea councilman but I I do think you know in with an opportunity to at least get some something back from the vehicles that that maybe not in the best shape like you mentioned before with the transmission issue um and the high mileage I mean we know high mileage. I I guar I mean it's it's it's tough to resell any type of vehicle. It is especially

and if you uh understand the way the police cars work, they work 410s and they're 24/7. It's not like 10 hours of just parking here and there. It's go stop, go stop, idling. I know uh we've got three three vehicles on order that should be coming in at the end of this month. They're going to be with K9. And a few of them have over 14,000 hours, engine hours. And if you do the math on that, that's equivalent to almost 360,000 miles. So what what they put these patrol cars through is pretty pretty good bit. And when you see them at 140, you got a one, it's 189. That was a SRO. So we can put those in the SRO program where they're just escorting to and from football games or wherever they're going with them. So, if they're on this list, it's due to high mileage repairs exceed the value of the vehicle. Uh it's a uh it's time for them to be rolled out of the fleet.

So, I think Chelsea does something similar to what Chris is mentioning, right? Right on the the 280 corridor there where they've got that old police car that's been sitting there for 20 plus years, right? American. We know we shouldn't through there. But everybody does a double check.

I guarantee you if you're downtown Homewood, say 9:30, 10:00, 9:30, 18th Street, they don't know what that three-way stop sign is. I mean, they come barreling through there. I mean, there's no stopping, but I guarantee if there's a car parked over there, just the presence of potential will make people wonder. And maybe I don't know just I mentioned that to Birmingham about the Aenddale area sort of the same situation but if you can help you know it's $5,500 $6,000 instead of having a police officer roaming you know being present they think there

and I'm with you if Chief Ross asks for the car to not be surplus to use for that I mean Then yeah, something our city manager wants to take up with two add to your list.

For tonight's purposes, um we are going to read this ordinance tonight and then uh with your approval, if everyone's okay with that, um go ahead and have a vote on unanimous consent and then go ahead and take a vote on that. But moving forward, uh we can um authorize Mr. Smith to have those conversations with Chief Ross and what he comes up with on that. thoughts. All right. All right. Next item. 020126. Request to authorize uh the mayor to sign storm water management program plan. Um this is brought to us from Mr. Pew and Scott Hopper from the county. I know he's been diligent about following up with us on this.

Yes. So what this is, um the city operates what's called an MS4, municipal separate storm sewer system. MS4. That is our storm sewer system where all of our runoff goes into it and eventually ends up in the Kahama River. So the federal clean water act requires ADM to issue us a permit called an MS4 permit. As a condition for having that permit, we have to provide them an annual report document. It's sort of like our playbook. It documents how we're going to um we're going to enforce um construction runoff, storm water cleanliness in that way. Um how we'll deal with uh spill responses and spill prevention. Um how we're going to educate the public. There's a whole uh you know whole bunch of tabs in there of things that we do. And this is this report that you're considering is our playbook. It doesn't change much annually from year to year and you've signed it numerous times since I've been here. So, um,

and it has to be signed by the 23rd, right? Yes. The deadline is later on this month. So, we need to take action on this tonight, everybody. Any questions on that? Cool.

Thank you so much, Wyatt. All right. And our last item on the pre-consil agenda, um 030126, request for consideration of a resolution establishment procedures for city manager candidate interviews brought to us from our city attorney, Mr. Jackson. Um while this is a public meeting and everyone of course is invited and free to be here. Uh as courtesy, Mr. Smith has offered to uh leave uh our presence for now because he will be submitting his uh application for this position. So we will meet you in the chambers at six o'clock. We thank you so much. All right. Um, do we want to start with Kim? Kinder, would you like Everybody's read the resolution. So, does anybody have any questions first? And if not, I know I think Kim and Sam both had a few words they wanted to share.

Any questions first before we

Okay. Well, I'll share just a little bit. I'm Kim Kinder. So, I'm new to Homewood. I've been here six weeks and I'm the HR director. So, I think I've met everyone at the table, but obviously not a room. Well, except for this side. And so just to kind of give an overview of the recruiting process for the city manager for the merit systems in the city of Homeland, that's about 300 of our employees. The personnel board conducts that process. So we reached out to them to begin our recruitment process and they actually posted the job on December 19th. That was when the job was first posted. And we're accepting resumes through January 16th through this Friday. And so the job announcement that we have, I brought an example of another website that we've posted it on that I can share this with you just to give you an idea if y'all want to pass some of these around this from the website. And so the announcement include the description of the city, the major job duties of the position, the minimum requirements, and the salary range. So the minimum requirements that we have for the city manager consideration is a bachelor's degree with a major in public administration or business administration, engineering, planning, finance, or related field. We have a master's degree that's preferred. We're also asking for at least five years of local government experience in a professional role such as city manager, department director, or another senior role. We're also asking for experience in strategic planning, budget management, and policy development. And just a couple more, excellent leadership, communication, and interpersonal skills, experience of the duties of a city manager as set forth in the Alabama

code, and then also having to relocate to the city of Homewood as a condition in the Alabama code. So, as I said, in addition to the personnel board's website, we have it on. We also have the job posted on the Alabama League of Municipalities website and the Alabama City Council Management website. So, I looked just a few minutes ago, maybe about 4:30, and as of today, we have a total of 40s and applications that we've received. So, those are being screened against those minimum requirements. And then we thought we would give the council a copy of each resume that we have if you'd like one. And so I think that's just kind of a high level overview of what we're doing and where we are today. Any questions?

One question. I think previously being inca um requirement it's we don't have that on there but we discussed how we put that on there I thought at one time we were talking about that was going to be part of the I think that that's something that would be desirable but maybe you know if we interview the candidates we and ask them, you know, are you they don't show on their resumes or if not, how soon can you obtain that designation from

right? So, if you wanted to, these are the minimum qualifications. If you wanted to set up some preferred qualifications, so you've got these 40 resumes. If you want to say, well, we want you to have this certification or we do want you to have the master's degree or some other preferred qualification, we can certainly screen against that. Well, is it necessary to a boundary on the on the salary. Um we posted a range just to give candidates an idea. So depending on their qualifications, experience, education, they can be above or below that range because there might be somebody out there that's really really outstanding that might be above that qualificate. I mean that and so I would assume we could overlook that. Is that correct?

Correct. You're not that's just okay. Good good. All right. And so we will also send this out tonight and vote on this tonight. I think there may be a question. Yeah, I'm gonna take all minimum comments from this, but but go ahead Carol. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You can go ahead.

Carolyn her 121. Just remembering as we changed the form of government, I remember the presentations being that, excuse me, that we would hire a highly qualified certified city manager. And I'm wondering why that is not a requirement on the application.

Can I respond to that? Sure.

I just think I think that having some minimum qualifications gives you flexibility later. Um and we are going to ultimately be under some constraints to hire someone as it relates to the timeline as based on the code for the implementation of the council manager form of government. we're able to name an interim for the initial I think it's four months per the code but we will have to hire someone um you know in in the relative short term and then also given that the person must physically live within the city of Homewood per the code too um there's already those two constraints which we have in hiring so just by having minimum qualifications versus the ideal listed in your job posting you keep some flexibility depending on which candidates come in but I agree with you what you mentioned is the ideal candidate right someone with professional experience in city management ICMA certified and so on so I mean the the goal is always the ideal candidate and that's why you you get the applications or resumes in and then you know they're reviewed and then there's a follow-up interview phase. Um but that would that that would be my response is that you know these are the typically these are the minimum qualifications not the ideal candidate necessarily listed in the posting.

Okay. Um I remember going to the presentation you did at the library and um I remember in that presentation you telling us that there would be a highly qualified that was hired for city manager and he changed. Um I think home deserves a highly qualified city. Absolutely.

Anyone's argument on that one had any candidates that are certified? I cannot all off the top of my head, but we can certainly, like I said, that can be referred to an ideal candidate, so that can help us make a hiring decision. I believe there were a few that have

Well, obviously, you know, the citizens don't want someone from California or, you know, somewhere that has no idea what small town USA is like because we are different. We are um you know, we're just different than a lot of cities and we like how we are. Um, may I ask you one question about when it was posted to the um it was it was the week from what it showed December 23rd. Okay. Probably on that post in the MA that I handed out does have a posted date

and it's been out in their newsletter as well. Correct. Did I don't know if you mentioned It seems it seems to me it's a very short time between December 23rd and January 15th when that four months is not up until the end of Oh, well, we have to work our way into that.

I understand that. But you're going to be able to resume because they won't come even close to qualifying for the job. So, I'm wondering why we can't extend deadline for for the applications a couple of weeks to perhaps because of the holidays a lot of people aren't paying attention that we might get some more applications. Would that be a possibility? I would ask our HR director that who's the one that's facilitating the process. So Kim, your thoughts on that?

And I guess we also have to keep in mind the legal expiration date of the interim city manager. That's what I'm saying. That's not until like March or something. March 4th. So, we have to we we'll go through multiple phases of interviewing. So, if we extended the deadline to the end of February. Oh, no. We can't do that. We have to appoint

Not February, January. Sorry. Then we would still have all of February to do the interviews. Well, and then we'll have to make an offer to a candidate that's going to have to accept it and then perhaps turn in a month notice. So, there'll be some other time built into that and that may run up against the deadline of the interim city manager.

Okay. And just one more question. This job has been available since the end of October. Why did we just post it December 23rd? Uh, Caroline, I I don't know the answer to that question. I'm sorry. I mean, we we there was a lot going on at the city probably you can and Kale's done an amazing job. So, I'm what it has done. It has pushed us really hard upon a deadline. Well, I will quote Kim's quote to me, which is the longer a job is open, the worse the candidates get. Change our recruiting.

We'd have to come up with way new ways to recruit and get to attract candidates. We do have though the experience or knowledge of the duties of the city manager as set forth in Alabama code. So that should help a little bit with one of your concerns. Okay, I'm going to move on. And so we will move this out to council tonight to vote on that. And without objection, we will adjourn. Okay. I one thing. Okay. So we can get out of here. Not adjourned. Huh?

Not adjourned. Just want I want Kale to be here because he's done a great job on some things as far as I'd like him. Yeah, he could come in. So, we're talking about this item. This I was going to I was going to ask which item this pertains to. That's all I was going to ask. This is just something organizational thing put out. It's hard to put it out there city council, but I thought if that's the case, then should we adjourn because it's not related to an agenda? That's fine. Okay, adjourn. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Now, let's