Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

live here. Okay. Like to welcome everybody tonight to the village of Holly Parks Commission meeting for Wednesday, May 7th, 2025 at 6 PM at the council chambers. Let's please stand for the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen. Okay. Roll call, please. Kyer, here. Pelton, here. McCanny, here. Hutchkins here. Hamilton here. Taylor here. Desessa here. Moving on to approval of the agenda. Does anybody have any additions or to the agenda that's proposed tonight? If not, I would entertain a motion to accept the agenda as present. Anybody want to add anything? Make a motion to approve the agenda. I'll second that. Roll call, please. Taylor, here. Yes. Yes. Hamilton, yes. Ker, yes. Here. Yes. Moving on. Approval of the minutes. This is the one I always forget. For April 2nd, 2025. I'd entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes for April 2nd,

2025. Unless some changes. I'll make the motion to approve the minutes for April 2nd, 2025. Support. Roll call, please. Yes. Yes. Yes. Ker, yes. Hamilton, yes. Taylor, yes. Hutchkins, yes. Moving on to public public comment not related to the agenda. Members of the public can address commission once recognized by the chairperson. Comments are limited to a maximum of four minutes for items not on the agenda. Commission may extend this time by up to an additional four minutes by majority vote. For items on the agenda, comments may be made after commission discussion prior to commission vote. Prior addressing prior to addressing the commission, members of the public shall state their name and address for the record. Is there anybody for public comment? Hearing none, seeing none, moving right along. Today's a busy night. Old business, April 12th, 2025 parks walkthrough update. Everybody got information on what we looked at and I'm sure this was move presented to Brian Clawson for his review for whatever is needed. This was the notes that we took as we walked through them. I just typed them up and Chris um and this was the the wish list that we had as well as the things that we noticed needed to get addressed. Some of the things got addressed already from the the work that was done on the parks from volunteer groups. For instance, the late the graffiti on the small pavilion I think has been handled at Lakeside Park already. And then um cleaning up more on the river front at Waterworks

Park happened when during our park cleanup day. That's all that is just the notes that we were taking. There was uh for Lakeside Park, I don't see it on here. We do have a broken swing, too. Wasn't on my notes. Okay. Broken swing. Yeah, one of the swings is just completely snapped. What type of swing? Adult swing or Yeah, like the regular one. The chains are good. It's the actual seat of the swing that's just cracked in half. That's what we call belt. A belt swing. Yeah. Okay. So not the only thing that I added that we didn't discuss was we actually didn't walk through Cyclone Park. I think it was just an oversight on all of our part. Um but we wanted to look at weeding and cutting back the overgrowth around the perimeter of the park at some point this year specifically for the um the vintage baseball. The ball goes into there a lot is full of um poison ivy. And then um our wish list for that for this park has been to add an asphalt walking path around the park perimeter, security cameras, and then also vintage baseball wanted us to have that the last of the soccer posts removed. That was all I thought from I was going off of what I recalled from our discussions earlier. One comment on the cycle park at Ashalt walking path around the park perimeter. I think we discussed that when we were doing the future site of Cyclone Park and I think we talked about mean the memorial. Well, the memorial we talked about a walking path around the park, but it probably would have been um stones, you know, laying stones instead of ashole. Yeah. If we make it asphalt, then we it's it's could be handicapped accessible, which was one of the things we were trying to accomplish

in our master plan. But now it's a lot more cost. But now Brian is laying pavers down also ADA compliant. Uh it depends. But it also maint Yeah, hard surface pressure as long as they have excess access for for knowledge about crusher dust. We use that on township ball diamonds. Yeah. And it's it's like concrete up there. If you don't if you want to drag it, you have to drag it while it's still loose because once it sets, it's tough. So crush dust is a lot cheaper in the long run and more permanent too than ashevel. So that's something we might want to look at. Mr. Chairman, just a comment. Um on the papavers I I know that uh they are difficult to maintain uh because they move a lot but perhaps maybe you might want to consider um stamped uh p papa where stamped concrete there you go. It looks just like a paper. You can't you can't tell. It's it's a little easier to replace and maintain and and it gives you the look beautiful look. They're a little more expensive but they're to maintain and they look very very nice. My sidewalk at home is pressed concrete dyed and it looks just like paper rock box in it because the mortar shows the cement. So it is very nice and cement usually lasts a lot longer than

Asheville. Was there anything else that anybody noticed that was missing from what we our observations at the walkth through on any of the parks? Can I just make one? Yeah. I I I personally like the idea of being able to utilize a a more stable uh pathway so that so that people with handicap disabilities can utilize it. But can I don't I haven't uh I haven't read the u the plan lately, but does it also maybe include where we can make it into some sort of a a physical um health type of thing where people can you know I don't know how big is it. Is it long enough to do one mile? So, we haven't we haven't done an overall plan and layout a project for this park. Those were just some of the ideas that were thrown out there. It would be like way down the pipeline because right now, in my observation, this commission has been focusing on Waterworks Park and Gshaw Park and then the DDA really wants us to focus on Crapo Park in the next couple years. So, I feel like anything that we do here is going to be pretty down the pipeline as far as large projects go. That's my opinion. I understand. But it certainly I think it would would be nice because I see a lot of people, you know, with their children and they're walking and the dogs and things like that. So we had something where they could stay away from the um the traffic. Yeah. You know, that would be so nice. But again, I it's a long term. Well, I think to um Mr. Cess's point to I think it would behoove us to have I mean we already have the master plan but have we ever done like diagram like vision boards of what we ultimately want this to look like so that we're not alling things. Yeah, good idea.

We start one here the committee. Yeah. people closer. Is that button up or button down? Button up. I think that's it for that. Anyhow, when we had I think that's it for that line item. When we had the tribute committee, we were looking at this part this part about here is going to be an evolution. It might take 10 years to get a vision stuff done out here. Gotcha. Yeah. Well, that's what I mean. If if we get that in writing, it doesn't mean that we're, you know, or a picture. It doesn't mean that we're going to do that right now. This is our ultimate goal of what these parks should look like. And that's where we had the committee working with everybody else in the community of what people wanted to see out here. The tribute, the walking path, and that was the two biggest things. And the walking path was the biggest around this park out here. Yeah, walking path paths in nature. I don't think the tribute was anywhere in there, but Well, that's the only thing we were talking about out here was the tribute was going to be out here. That was a different That was a different committee, though. Yeah, that's I say that was the tribute committee that we were on. All right. I think that's it then. Unless anybody else had anything else they wanted to add to that. the the uh pathway around the uh by the boat launch that used to have a a trail in there with the exercise equipment, not equipment, but maybe we want to look at the original plan. It was pretty awesome. It's not there anymore because it was made out of wood and it rotted. Some of the some of the parts of it are still there, but there were stations all along that path and I think there were eight of them, all different, and it was used a lot. That is on our list under Lakeside Park.

Recreate the exercise trail along the lake path. Right. Right. I saw it. But you might want to look into what was there before because it was really cool that you know no point in reinventing everything. Okay. I guess we move on. If there's no more questions, let's move on to April 26, 2025 spring cleanup water works update. Boy, we had uh at one time we had 26 people there and Danny Raspberg was there with DPW equipment and I think the last count that's a game changer. I appreciate that much. Thank you. The last count on that I think it was those are 10 yard dumpsters on the truck and you took 10 of them out of out of Waterworks Park in one in one afternoon. one six hour period. Yep. So, thank you, Danny, for volunteering, you and your son's time and everybody else that came to work at Waterworks Park. We're just about done with Waterworks Park. We're getting close, but it looks a heck of a lot better. So, we've uh like I say, we concentrate on one thing, get it done, and move on to the next. So great job from everybody that was there and ASAP was there for uh they had 16 people and the rest were all community volunteers or board members and everybody else. So from 9:00 in the morning till uh 6:30 3:00 in the afternoon. So a lot was done. Great job by everybody. And okay, any more questions about that? Let's move on to um play equipment update. Bren um he there is two bouncy toys that are newer style. They're fiberglass. They've

got the handles. They don't have the uh foot pegs on it, so they can't get the bounce to them. The springs are a lot tighter. Um the township park is willing to sell them to the village. I just need a consensus. I think it was 900 bucks Julie agreed on. Is that what pardon? $900. Yeah. I have to go back with the park for that. Yeah. So, if that's the case, then we'll get them from there and see if we can get them installed at Lakeside Park is was I think the consensus there. And then Joe through his thrift shop, he was able to donate two bucket swings for us. So, we have those for backup. Um, and those are the ones that the kids actually sit in and they're they got the two leg holes and wrap around there. So we have some backup there if they fail at any of our parks. And then I'll get that other swing ordered. I think the last couple I picked up right at Home Depot. So was there any discussion about trading for inind services for the No, I had to take back to my to Township Parks and we'll figure out I think they paid uh 450 a piece for those when they bought them quite a few years ago and they never were installed and Brian looked at the other toys and they're not compliant. They're we're going to sell those. Yeah, they they're the old meta ones. They have the foot pegs. They they they will allow people to get a lot more momentum on them and that's where the pinch points come in and the people being launched off of them. The other thing is is I'll secure I when I was talking with Joe about the swings and different things. I found another book with some of the other stuff we talked about. I just need to know which I know we talked about the one swing that's independent and that price came back pretty high, but I think this company that I found will be a little more reasonable. I think if we get them ordered, I've seen a better turnaround that we can probably have them or at least paid for before the end of the fiscal year. So, exactly. Yeah, because that's what I was going to say. Yeah. I mean, we've only got about six weeks. Exactly. About six weeks that we're

looking that we need to use that seven grand up. Would the town would the township parks board consider donating those to the parks? We have to take it back to the chairperson. We ask them. That would be great because we're running on a pretty low budget this year. Yeah, we'll put we'll bring it up at the next meeting which is a week from today. Put that on the That's a good point. I mean, we we have to check what our our rules say, policy says, I don't I'm not quite sure that we're allowed to give away, but also to the price point of 900 being 450 if he's new. Um it's not that's not a would they make it very affordable. We can't give it away, but I'm certain I'm certain that the commission would consider anything that's fair. That'd be great. And that's what we paid probably five years ago. So I think if you look at the prices of the spring toys that we bought, they probably didn't go down, you know. Yeah. So I think, you know, worst case scenario is we break even. So, should we make a motion then to approve you to work with Joe on pricing those out and then for the other playground equipment? That would I mean, as long as it's a consensus, I'll keep working on it and um like I said, by June, hopefully everything's wrapped up and then we just say, "Yeah, we we agreed on them." I I don't know if the board wants to come to a consensus on a price, what they're willing to pay for them. I mean, I'm sure the cheapest cheaper the better, but up to $900 if that's if that's the agreement because that's what they're willing to that's their max price. But if we can negotiate something different, well, my rule on Facebook Marketplace is I don't buy anything even if it's in brand new condition from somebody who wasn't able to return it for more than half of what the retail the original retail price was because I'm because it's coming with no warranty. It's old. It hasn't, you know,

it hasn't been used. But that's just my when I'm buying resale, but we see we're a public entity and we can't do that. Well, you could price it at whatever you want, but I'm just saying go go go to that the township board and ask them, you know, would they be considering donating it to us? Prior to us having an interest in them, were the words out of your mouth was they were going to be throwing them away. No, that's the old ones we can't use. We're going to actually sell. Me and Brian talked about it. The village is going to have a auction and we have six spring toys that you can't use in public and they'll be up for sale. And Brian said that whoever buys those, the money will go right to township. Yeah. And Brian has to work with Jane, the chairperson of the township parks, not me. I I assure everyone we'll do our best to, you know, whatever we can. whatever the the policy says, we will make sure that we um because it's going back to our to our our community. We're not looking to to make any kind of profit. We want to make sure that uh everything is fair. Either way, it's it's going to the same entity, right? I'm sure the commissioner will do probably the same kids that would have laid out. Yes. So, we will do our best to to make sure that it's fair and that it's within the rules that the state allows us to. So, yes. Great. Any other questions? I think we all have a consensus though, right? That that the village less than $900 that we will do up to $900 for these playground equipment and then we will authorize Brian to also look into the swing for us. We're all in agreement with that. Yeah. I've seen a lot of head nod and heads. So that's we'll keep moving forward with

that stuff. I would support that motion. You made that motion. It was just a consensus. Just a consensus. As long as the consensus of the board is that's what they want to do. Any other questions about the play play equipment update hearing? None. Moving right along to budget discussion. We had our budget hearing for parks two Saturdays ago. Um the general fund is in a deficit. So, um, we did budget. There is $25,000 slated for projects for the upcoming year, but depending on what council decides how to cover this deficit, I wouldn't I mean, I would come up with projects, but there's no guarantee that that money is going to be available for this fiscal year. So, I mean, there there's there's no issues with creating a wish list, and then once all the the gaps are filled in, then we can start making the hard, you know, which which projects or p what or equipment whatever we want to do with that money is is there whatever ends up getting budgeted and I'll come back with a firm number once the budget's adopted and then that gives us three or four months you know from July August September October is still decent see what we can do with that and then next spring will be the rest of it depending on how everything so the new budget year starts in July correct correct yeah for the budget this year I know um when we went over it. We've only spent like two grand out of this Sears budget. Is there a way I know that we wanted to do like the walkway at Waterworks, replace some of those boards. Is there any way that we can like get those boards ordered? So, yes, we I've talked to my staff and we've got that on a list to try to complete before July 1st. the the the bridge at Waterworks. Uh we're going

to be working on the gazebo at Gansshaw, but then all that material and time has been being donated by private donor, so that won't come out of the parks fund. Um and that's going to be hopefully completed in the next couple weeks. You'll see a fresh coat of paint on that and some repairs done there. So, thank you community. I'd like to see when the community is involved. So, It's their parks. Okay. Any other questions for that? Let's move on to um urban community forest program grant application. Grace up. Okay. That came out Friday. So, we have the new new application. It's due September 20th. So, we need to get to work on it. Um, is the plan still for you and Jane to work on that? I I Yes. Do you still want to work on it with me, James? I'd be happy to help. I'd be happy. Sure. But do you want to do it if you if you if you want to do it on your own? Do it on my own. Okay. Okay. No, no, I don't I don't want to do it on my own. I don't have that kind of time. But I'd be willing to work together. It has to be I mean I can help you know get started. You and I can work on that. Of course, we've got to work with staff and and the village manager to make sure that we have the information that's required when we look at the application. So, I'd be more than happy to to work with staff. And this is correct. That's correct. There's another grant that's this one's only for $125,000 only. All right. Um There's another grant that I don't have the application for that's worth that's worth for way more. Like I think that one was $450,000, but we might as well apply for both of them. I'm sure we would only get

one. The other one should be out within the next couple of days, I would think. Cool. Um, no. Can I just say something? Obviously, you and I, we will examine it and, you know, put put it help put it together, but the staff u will be the ones who will be giving us the information that we need in order to to compile it. But overall though, it's really going to be u the the managers and the staff's responsibility to to submit it and present it for consideration. We can't just It needs it needs signatures and approvals authority by the village. So it's a lot of work that and information from Brian too about species and different things like that. Exactly. So it's a culmination of this board members and and staff and and staff. So yeah, we got to get with the program. Yes. Time is fleeting. Y I'll set up some meetings. We'll set up some meetings. I will look at the application and see what needs to get done. We'll meet with the the village manager so he can he can see what he needs. He may need something that he may need to send and no one else. Some some of this grant is for street street trees. So, we're going to need some clue as to where you might want street trees. We just need to know. Yeah, we have a list of where we've moved trees and we've budgeted many. Sorry, I interrupted you. I'm sorry. How many trees have we removed over the last 15 years? Probably close to 100. Yeah. I I guess maybe we we we're going to need to know how many trees you think we're going to need, right? And then we also some of those trees that were removed, the the property owner or homeowner probably doesn't want them replaced,

right? So, we'll have to generate a letter that says, "Are you interested in a free tree?" Because we don't want to plant a tree and then they're not going to maintain it or we're back there taking it out because they've killed it and we've had that happen in a couple places. So, okay. It's quite a lengthy process, right? I'll take my replacement. Make it a maple. Just make it a red maple. Okay. Is there any any other questions about the retreat program? If not, let's move on to general business. Sue Julian. Hello everybody. You know me as Sue Julian from Headarters Trails and I'm here because uh a year ago um I showed you a concept of a trail um that would end up at uh what's called the 3A uh portion of what I used to call the Silverman development, all the 900 houses. Well, now the that last section is going in. It's going in very fast and and we have to keep up with it. So, uh I want to show you a couple things. I've brought um pictures to pass out if they could go around this way and then if I could collect the extras because I have to go to the next meeting. Oh, I'm sorry. Um so the in the original uh plan uh produced by Atwell Hicks um it it shows um I'm not going to pass this around. We talked about it before. It shows the um the trail going through um the development and you if you've been out there at all, you know that there's

already a detention pond and then there's an asphalt pathway that stops. Okay. So, right where that stops and going up to the railroad track, uh the developer put in a trail which um surprised me. You know, I I hope you're all grateful. Um, I I did have some questions and what I'm passing around here shows you how it was made. He he bulldozed and so I said, you know, have you got ADA uh accessibility? And he said, "Yes, just I know how to do this." Well, I looked at it again and I I think he's right. Uh they put down um geoteexile fabric then and then put stone on top of them. Well, the stone in my mind, um, I have to see. Remember you were talking about how you get almost a cement type surface. I don't know whether there's going to be needed a uh a surface layer on top of that. I think we have to see. But, uh, apparently this is all coming at the um behest of the of the developer and uh neither the township nor city is encouraging incurring any uh um expense debt for that but cost. Yes, that's a better word. Okay. So, um this is something that Headwaters Trails has promoted for a long time with the idea that um paths would be connecting and that this particular path would start over at Fish Lake Fish Lake Road where I'm standing and then come more or less sort of along the river and then uh make a a 90 degree angle turn and then come into uh the development. So, um, because this went in really fast, on the same day you were having the cleanup on August 20, April, uh, 26, we had some people turn out, and

you can see them in the picture there. So, after the developer put it in, there was kind of like chaotic. There bushes all over the place and so on. We've piled them all up, and now I will be approaching the developer because I've asked the township and they go like, who's in charge here. Um there there are piles. Who's going to burn them? If someone else doesn't, then the headarters trails volunteers will will do that. Okay. So, this path runs exactly along uh that acreage that the village owns. So, it will end up being your access to that property. And you you have to think about what might happen with with that. And I I would urge you to be part of the resolution of that process. And the reason I say that is because in that at World Hicks drawing um as you come along Fairfield and then you enter the 3A development to your left is a big open space which is supposed to be a um pocket park. Um in my mind not just for the development but for the community. I mean, it butts right up to uh village property. So, I would think that that pocket park would should offer some parking if people from the village wanted to come a distance, park and be able to walk or start at Fishlake Road and come all the way across and then have a car to pick them up if they were going somewhere else. I think some higher level thinking needs to go into this, right? But, but I'm telling you, parking where? like on the township side off. Yes, on the township side river trail there. That is correct. That is what I would suggest. Sensible. Yeah. The the township has not made up its mind

yet. Okay. And I'm asking for you to get involved. Sue, and we also discussed parking before when it was offered to township parks and we told the developer at that time we'd like at least six or eight parking spots. That's right. So everybody could access that where they were in the development or in the village or anywhere. Yeah, we need they could be even on the far side of Grangeaw Road and be part of that development, but might want to come in a car and start a distance. So, um, the thing that's happening right now, I'm gonna pass this out. Um, so, so the developer put put in the path, right? Um, but it ends, it just stops right there. And if you look ahead, you can see in the picture here, you're looking at the railroad tracks. So I I I personally feel that it's almost like an invitation to go and walk the railroad tracks right now. And um I suggested the sign on the top. I suggested this to um um the clerk and supervisor in the township and they said, "We need to talk to our lawyer." And okay, we need to think about what it should say. But you notice that in in my opinion as part of the overall plan, it says you come to that point and if you if you're walking up to that point, you turn to your right, you go to Fishlake Road and if you turn to your left, you you go into the village property. That's that seems reasonable to me. Is that the school behind there? That is the school. And they stopped I think 300 feet from the tracks, which is the legal Yeah. easement or legal right away from Yep. But they did just make it an abrupt stop. So it doesn't really

definitely pedestrians would continue on if they wanted to. Yeah. Yeah. So um again I I would like um liaison or input into figuring out what the sign said. I thought um headarters trails people could put up a temporary sign until we figure out what else is happening. But the township said wait a minute and they're right. Where's the plan for the trail? If you say proposed trail and then you don't have anything to show anybody, maybe that needs to come off the sign and maybe the sign that should go there right now is just like temporary end of trail. Uh no access, don't walk on the um railroad rightway and um their lawyer said put up a sign like this. Well, that means don't walk on the trail. I mean anyway, um I'd like to know what you have to think uh about that and um let's see if we can come to a general conclusion. But I feel I feel bad about putting in a path that leads right up to the railroad and then not even saying don't walk on the railroad track. Yeah, it should be posted in some way. It should be posted because the railroad property and rightaway is private property and you're trespassing otherwise. Is this correct though that just on the other side of that track there's an existing trail? Well, there used to be a trail but when the gate was closed at the request of the academy. Uh now that is uh dysfunctional. it it's in there and and it was going to connect all the people that's also part of the Silverman Py whoever development. Okay. But now it's closed off. Do you have any plans for that you would like or any anything in your plan that includes the village parcel? Yeah, that is up to you. And um I I was

listening to you saying you don't have much budget. Um, I think that this group needs to decide what could happen to that parcel. But in my mind, I think it could very easily be a um um very lowcost kind of um flowers and walkways that um maybe there's some other ideas. I remember when Risa when you and I were out there, we just sort of came up with the idea of maybe a sensory pathway. Um I happen to have a a disabled blind person in my family and the idea of offering something like that uh would be possible but I think that it it could be uh minimally developed because you remember that that parcel is supposed to at some time be available for uh an extension of the wastewater treatment plant. So you really can't build much of anything on there, right? We also discussed um sensory trails at the township park because there's a movement out there for sensory trails. Yes. A big movement. Yes. And they take blind people out and they listen to the birds and learn how to navigate through trails and it's really enjoyable. So we discussed a little bit of that at our one meeting because we'd like to approach these people and say, "Hey, come on out. Take a look at what we got." And like you say, that parcel of land is low uh low priority, you know, as far as it goes. And we're still developing cyclone out here. So down the road, I'd say cover what you got and let's bring this into to include it before something else happens. You know, it ain't going to cost nothing. Let's do it. Let's preserve it for a conservancy point of view. Mhm. So, um I think you understand that there are multiple

partners already in this which is good thing. Um the village and the township headarters trails as a nonprofit. Uh um Blue Heron Conservancy is a conservancy also a nonprofit. Uh the Wilson Foundation and uh Sageno Bay win uh $35,000 and $20,000 to go toward engineering. I would like to see that engineering not close off your options, right, for for what you might do in that property for the village and that might be almost nothing other than maybe enter here and leave by another you might do but if if the village could make use of this uh planning money I think it would be to your advantage. One thing that that I thought of when I when we were walking back there was it's very commonly requested of us to come up with a way for the public to have a dog park and it seems like an area that would be perfect for that because it's not it's not right next to backyards. It's not really close to where people are living. It is something that I've also thought of um Miss McKenna, but I also began to look up dog parks and found out that there's quite a bit of maintenance that's involved in that and I don't I don't know whether you're ready to go in that direction, although the the location does seem very reasonable, you know. So I I would like input and I don't know if you want me to work through the village manager or not as to what we can tell the engineering firm to leave open the options and then you have time to decide what to do with that property unless you come up with something that you want to do right now. The the trail that's d that's drawn on this illustration from where it ends and then comes down alongside That is part of what you're the

engineering that you're talking about. You're going to be you guys are That is correct. And and right where the trail ends, if you turn, you're right in the wetland. So, the very first thing has to be a boardwalk, right? And that takes you over to firmer ground. And then just a little further on, there's a stream and you have a little small boardwalk. And then after that, there's a overflow of wetland and there's going to have to be a little bridge there. So, some of these things can end up being scout projects because they're, you know, we're talking about this much distance, boardwalk, that kind of thing. Uh, but it needs to be part of an overall plan. Yeah, that's really nice. But, am I understanding, you're correct, that none of the visions that you have for this area include the parcel and the village? That's correct. So that's why I'm approaching you and saying what kind of things do you want or or do you have some language that you want the conservancy which has collected this money for the engineering to tell the engineering firm to design as of now us as a recommended we're recommending board to council you know we we can recommend what we like to design yeah and I think we need a motion to have uh you and our administration look into this and find out what we can do about this. The overall picture of everything. If if that works out, that would be fine. I I want to tell you that the township part of this uh I wrote a Sparks grant uh and um we were told afterwards that Holly Village and Holly Township was not eligible. they only have 39 communities in Michigan that they were going to award the Sparks grant to. I spent a lot of time on that and tried to price out all the different things that were needed. Um, so some of this work for the township side has

already been done, but that my list before was almost $600,000 and that's not going to happen unless uh a uh Michigan Natural Resources Trust Fund Grant would be, I think, the only um granting agency for that. So, it might be that the um village portion might get developed before the township portion, but since sometimes things happen lickety split and sometimes they're they're very slow, I think we need to just be organized and prepared. Well, the main thing is we got a good thing going now. Let's keep continuing phase one, phase two, phase three and see how it goes and how we can get there. And I think that's where administration's got to work with you and everybody else unless somebody' also like to be on board as a liaison or whoever from this board to work with this and look at the overall picture. I think Mr. Price, did you get up there to speak on this? Well, I I was just going to say that um obviously like where my place from this would be would you guys would recommend, you know, what you would like to see. I would look at the feasibility uh of that and like bring that to council. as far as ideas of what to use for it. I mean, I can assist, but I really, you know, that's what I would like to hear from uh this commission. So, I would like to do as low of a maintenance dog park as possible, meaning putting up fencing, keeping and then um to me, the terrain, the natural terrain that was there seems like it would be ideal for dogs for running around. There's large boulders. It's um not super hilly. You can you can view long term where the where the where your pet would be. But and it's just that it's come up so frequently from our residents and all of our surveys that they want a dog park and all of the areas that we've

previously tried to put a dog park. Um we run into very reasonable um complaints. I don't want a dog park in my backyard. I don't that's too close. People won't want to have a dog park next to where there's dogs that live. I mean, all those seem very reasonable to me. So, this area was like, "Oh, wow. This kind of checks all those boxes." Well, the biggest thing we looked at before was u dog park out here. And Oakland County got involved. We got them involved. They said suitable size for dog park is 10 acres because it's got to be paddicked off and you got to rotate those animals just like you do on a farm to take care of everything else. So, there is maintenance involved. There's one up on the north end of of Fenton up in Fenton Township and it's a lot of maintenance, but they have to have paddocks so you can rotate the land from tearing up and also the dogs even if you clean up after the dogs. You're not going to clean up. So that would be a good spot. But I wonder would it interfere terribly with the visions that you have if we joined forces with township and and united and and used made a park for dogs that covered some of both of the areas. I doubt that both of the areas could be used. I think that the the village area could be used. The reason I say that is they're separated by the bridge and there's already some concern in of the residents um that they weren't expecting anything new in their neighborhood sort of thing. Whatever. Um so I I think that you you probably need to take your time in deciding what should happen there. But um as long as we can make sure that the um free engineering money uh gives you options later um it doesn't have to be this

year's budget. It can be I I heard you talking about how to spread things out. I I would say that when in our initial discussions whenever we've talked about this we've always talked about what is the least like cost be because uh again we don't know the future of this area you know what it what it's intended to be but also um as far as you know if we do a dog park something like that any kind of maintenance continued maintenance that we'd have to do on it we got to keep in mind we can't get like riding mowers over there and things like that so you know it really has to be something that is self-sustained in itself And that's why initially we talk maybe, you know, if it's walking past it, maybe pollinator gardens, things like that that exist on their own that, you know, it might have we can get grant money for early on kind of take care of itself. Um, but anytime we're doing stuff that is going to require us to, you know, be out there picking up the dog stuff and then, you know, mowing and such is going to change, you know, that whole project. And that's the biggest thing with our park board here is let's procure it and then but watch what you put in because if you put it in you got to take care of it whether it's low cost or high cost and that's what you got to weigh because we have limited money and resources for doing that. So I would think that there's a consensus that we want to keep this low impact low maintenance. That's the biggest for now for and then you can plan for the future if there if other um monies or um interest arises I would say. Um so if that if you're more or less agreed on that that's what I'll pass. I'm wearing my um headquarters trail. No, I'm wearing my don't even remember conservancy hat right now to talk to the engineering firm. Now, what do we have? Do we have to make a motion or just a consensus or what would you like? No, I got I've got the consensus based on discussion. You see where we're all coming from? Let's let's

keep going and see what's there and how we can do it. I for one am very appreciative that you brought this parcel to to our attention. I have lived here my whole life and I've never been back there and I've really enjoyed it even at the stage it's in now. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. Thank you for all the work you're doing back there. Well, I I think it could be a real um pleasure a different kind of park and usually a park sport doesn't discover that. Oh, suddenly we've got a new park. So, I know it's unusual. True. And I think what's wonderful is again, you know, in our um surveys, walking trails were the biggest thing. And I know that this isn't, you know, it's just a sliver of the village, but we can still tell people, hey, there is a walking trail out here. Yeah, absolutely. And that adds more recreation into the village, walking trails and stuff. So, we need parks and recreation here in town. I know walking trails out there are huge. Yeah, like using this for the walking trail. Mr. Taylor, the idea is that this would eventually connect up to Seven Lakes. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. And then from Seven Lakes into Fenton Township and Fenton and the laugh trail there. Yeah. So, it could be very cool. Say you needed these back. Excuse me. I don't You say you needed these? Well, I just need a few for the next meeting. I'll each of them. Okay. I see for you one other point of consideration with that particular location is the there's three parcels that the village owns the western partial partial is actually in the township. The village owns in the township. So we have to keep in mind that if we are expend we I don't think we can spend any money on a village park that's in the township because it's not actually within our our area. So how's that work for the township having all of their parks in the village

because the village is part of the township and also at one time where the parks were wasn't in the village it was in the township. You got to remember the times that we annexed land and what the size of how Holly grew the past history of where was out of town Holly over all those years. So yeah well certain parts of Senson are in the village. Yes. Yes. And part of Yeah. And part of Rose Township and the beach. Yep. A little piece of rose. And And I think the key difference is the village is part of the township, but it's not the same. You know, the opposite. So why can't we put a dog park in Sorenson Park? We're not on their board. Only half of us are. Wait a minute. Yeah. So am I understanding you correctly that because that property is not within the village limits. That would that would be harder for us to get grant funding for it or for us to get I don't know about harder to get grant funding. It would be harder for me to actually expend any general fund funding for something that is not actually within the village. I thought that was already out of the question. I saw the session. Well, yeah. I'm talking about in the future too. Future as well. Also, the other way out of that is a 425. Right. We did it for a school. We can certainly do it for a park. Yeah, we did it for a lot of our developments. So, we that little parcel land that is not totally worthless but great for parks. 425. Let's work together with the township. We've always done good on parks and parks with the township and let's just keep it going and we'll explore all the different options because obviously this is a unique situation. Wait a minute. Anyway. All right. So, thank you. I think I have the consensus of the group here. Yeah. And um I'll be working with you, Mr. Price.

Right. Thank you, Sue. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. Let's move on to village of Holly Gansshaw Park renovation proposal. Dang. Hello everybody. Good evening. Uh you've all already seen this. We did make some changes. That's why it's back in front of you. Um Jane and Sarah and I met to just go over a a schedule that we wanted to see done. You guys all have this in front of you? Yeah, we all have this. Okay. So, it's on page two. It's the projected timeline that was added. Um, basically we just wanted to be able to have this in there so that it would help with grant writing and a better understanding of uh everybody seeing how it would progress. Um, I would want to point out 2026 repair existing gazebo. Um, I will be heading up the volunteer group on Saturday at 10:00 a.m. to get that gazebo scraped. And then the following weekend we are going to be repainting it. So we're already getting stuff done. Um and then the other thing was if I can draw your attention just to the design uh pictures on the back. Uh if you look at the first picture, the uh parking lot expansion that we're talking, we just wanted to notate how many spaces it was. It's only four spaces. So the spaces that are being added are in yellow. If you can see the spaces, the lines themselves are just in yellow. That was a the best way

I could notate how big we were actually going to ask to make this parking lot expansion. Yeah. Okay. Uh and as well as adding the lines for parking, we because it wasn't in the original um rendering, so we just wanted to make sure that those were in there. As you can tell, there's handicap spots. The gazebo would be fully ADA accessible. The design itself is actually set to be the ramp itself that is going to wrap around the gazebo. Uh the calculations have been done in terms of how big the gazebo needs to be in order for that ramp to be ADA accessible. So obviously along with the schedule will be engineering and they will be looking at all of that but it is something that already has been thought out and and and looked at. Awesome. Okay. Wow. Ryan, have you heard anything at all from Sysma about specifically about um doing an evaluation of the the water? No, I have not heard anything from Sysma. But on this note, the council action request has been generated because it had to be in by noon today to be on the packet. So, what this board would need to do is vote that they want to move this forward to for council approval because there will eventually be monies involved. And then we're going to ask staff is going to ask council to adopt this plan and then in the future uh once the plan is uh placed with the county and sysma and a grant is takes place any projects that take place or any monetary funds will go will be brought to this board first and then ask for council for approval. Okay. But the plan will be we'll try to adhere to the plan and and then if there's any changes or stuff like that then or the funding doesn't become available we can renew the plan in five more years but it's a five-year permit

that we're looking to get. So that's that by having the plan it allows us to apply for the permit. So, just a quick question. The way that this is kind of oriented, it's like are we switching up parking? Like, are we changing the how much of the parking lot are we changing on this? So, like I said, if you look at the four additional, it's just the way that this is gazebo is usually at the end of correct. We're changing we're changing where the gazebo is going to go. Okay, perfect. It's going to be a new new gazebo. where the gazebo was. Yes. The Yes. Basically, if you look now, there's a concrete pad where the uh ramp starts now for the gazebo. That's as far as the parking would go. Okay. So, it's it's it's it's basically 30 ft. 30 40 ft is what we're looking at. Are you moving the existing gazebo or are you building We're going to be looking at building a brand new one. And the existing gazebo is about is over 40 years old, you know, so it it's it's useful life is is is been exceeded and we've done maintenance over the years. We've added some skirting around the bottom. We've done some board repairs and stuff like but a volunteer group put that in and I think it was 1980 so about 45 years ago. So um Project Pride I'll make a comment that we have 10 years before that's considered antique. already passing 25 year card after 25 years. You better hurry. Kowanas was the one that did um uh was the was the funds for that. And yes. Oh, yeah. And and they have expressed to us that, you know, they're they're fully supportive of basically getting rid of it and and and looking at something new. Right. So, yeah. Revitalizing it. And they're also they've also been very involved in uh

working with the DDA and the plannings of the parks. are still involved 40 40 some years later. It's really nice. Yeah, I think the time of the gazebo is gone. Make a new one. Well, we can do some little patches and it's it's actually it's holding up okay, but yeah, it's we need to start really looking at that for future. I think with a new plan and grants as well, we're looking at to replace it. So, if we can get the funding right through grants, it makes it a lot easier to replace it sooner than later. So, in the meantime, it's going to be spruced up and it'll be functional for pictures. Yeah, we're we are looking at totally funding this project without asking for the the village for any sort of funding or or any funding from parks budget. So, we're going to be looking at grants and private funding. So, good. Thank you. Any questions? Any other questions? Thank you, D. Thank you so much. And did the other did the packets for council already go out at noon or you said the deadline was because these were actually submitted like last week which is when we got them and we voted last week to just make the make the additions for the changes and then send it straight to council last month. That was our that's how we Well, I wasn't I was at the meeting last month. I just created the council action request, so it will be on the agenda, but we we went needed to make sure that everybody agreed on it tonight because if someone decided they wanted to make more changes or change something, then that that would take it off the agenda. Well, so at last month's meeting, we specifically stated, let's make the the add in just the timeline and make there was a couple spelling errors. We were going to make those changes. Those are the only changes that were made and then send it on to Council. So that we didn't have to come to tonight and then wait till next month because we're our deadline. We got to Right. I Yeah, I understand the deadline for the grant.

But if someone decided tonight that they they weren't happy with the timeline or they weren't happy with the spelling changes and decided they wanted it pulled, then we we'd have to pull from the agendas. So all we need tonight is a vote that says yes, we're good. It's Can we still get it into the council? Yeah, it's it's it's good. It's it the only way it would come off is if someone decided tonight they did not want it on the agenda and they wanted to make more changes. That would be the only way it came off. We've already we Yeah. We need to vote on that tonight. Yes. If you vote that as presented tonight, that's what you want to go to council. That's what will be on the council agenda next week. Okay. Does anybody want to make a recommendation or any questions? Not a question, but I'd like I'd like to make a motion that this um proposal be submitted to the city c village council as presented. I'll second that. Roll call, please. Or any other questions or debates on this? No. Roll call, please. McKenna, yes. Hamilton, yes. Taylor, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, it'll be on the council agenda for Tuesday, May 13th. Yeah. Thank you, Brian. Okay, let's move on to farmers market. I asked this to get put on the agenda because during uh budget discussions it the farmers market was brought up or and my understanding and that a percentage of the fees collected were I know in the past we've had a check presentation and last year that didn't happen. So I'm just trying to find out if that's still part of the agreement with the farmers market that a percentage of that goes to the parks. It is. Okay. um because we've had some change over in

administration with a new clerk treasurer and a new village manager and they were unaware of this and when we started talking about the farmers market I was like wait a minute we didn't have a check presentation last year usually happens in the fall when the when the market's over with. So I just wanted clarification because I didn't know if that was a one-time deal or if it's supposed to be every year. So it is it is supposed to be every year and it does happen every year. We it came in late this year because of the the medical the family medical situations that was going on with her family. Um what I don't know is if they're still under our um insurance when farmers market started up that was one of the things that they wanted was to be fall under our umbrella for insurance. Okay. Now Diana Reagan who currently runs the farmers market also has other markets that she runs. So she may carry her own that I don't know whereas I know when it was Genevie Rainey she did not and so that was how it started but we do still it's a percentage of the um vendor fees is what she turns in and it was um every year it was being submitted to village and it was put in the general fund earmarked for the fireworks which is really a parks event so in essence it's going money goes back to the park. Yeah. Well, like anything that goes through the general fund has to go it it's a general fund revenue, but then it can be earmarked if it has an expense. So, if that's what it's for is fireworks, I'm sure Tim will love to hear that because he's been tasked with being the fundraiser for that again. So, I I just wanted to make sure that it it had anything hadn't changed and I was giving the new administration the correct information. So, I just pass that along. And that's And so is there going to be a check presentation from last year or is she just going to give it to the village

directly? She already did. She already did. It came in when she got all of her paperwork in. Okay. So, was Lisa made aware of this what this funding's for because she's got to do the journal entries and stuff like that. So, so she told me she wrote a check and then she wrote it in the memo to park. I'll check with Lee and then in the morning I'll let Tim know and then we can and then that's an annual thing so he'll make note of that. So thanks Brian. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Any other questions about farmers market? When's it starting this year? It started last Sunday. Yeah. It runs May through October. So the end of October, the beginning of May. Good. Started last week. They had a great I went. It was um a pretty good turnout. They had lots of vendors. Um, and then next this coming week will be their Mother's Day weekend. Oh, big time. Yeah, should be nice weather for it, too. Okay, any other questions? Let's move on to closing public comment. Does anybody have a comment for the public? Yes, ma'am. Hi there. My name is Amy. Last name is Ray. Address is 108 College Street. Um my comments are regarding Cyclone Park and the earlier mention of the tribute project. Um I have four brief items as a border resident to Cyclone Park related to that. Um first just thank you for mentioning the tribute and its tribute committee. I have been a a border resident uh for Cyclone Park as a member of that tribute committee. I haven't heard anything about it recently, so I'm interested in looping back up. So I appreciated that reminder that it's still on the radar. Over the weekend, I noticed a really nice park with a tribute area in Mill. I don't know if anyone heads down 15. Um it's a really nice little park with benches and um I have pictures of it and I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Um if anyone on the parks commission would like to see photos of that. I did take photos of that. Um secondly, just a

reminder, as you know, there are a couple of upkeep ongoing items regarding Cyclone Park that just need to be that are free and low to no cost to the village which just need to seem to be nailed they need to be nailed down as you guys are well aware, you know, uh with all due respect, you guys are really on it. Um that just seemed to be they're just routine, but the constant u flooding I understand that the drain itself is under jurisdiction of Oakland County and Brian is the liaison to that. um maybe they need to put in another one. I don't know exactly what the relationship is there, but I have also pictures of the from an aerial point of view of the massive flooding that is happening annually and that just seems to it's low to no I I'm hearing low to no cost and things that need to be nailed down before further development. Um an idea that has been floated around among neighbors is maybe an eventual solution might be a pond, a partial pond because it's happening anyway. um you know um not sure you know how how low cost that could be. But uh the fourth item lastly is another item that just seems to be need to be nailed down or better like publicized. Um the parking that's occurring in Cyclone Park on the grass. Um, for example, just today, if we're all interested about maintenance and maintaining load and no cost, a new maintenance item cropped up today, uh, because of a massive lawn job entrenched, like a 4-in deep trench because of the parking that occurred today on the grass, uh, due to an event on College Street. Um, it's just the policy, I think, that needs to be addressed before further development um, goes by. The last time I did speak with the village council in a public meeting, it is not policy to have parked cars on the grass um and the former city manager was actually um corrected in public on that item that the parking is okay in the parking lot, but no agreements include parking on the grass. And that

is happening uh is the weather is now warmer. It happened in 2024 every Friday night and Saturday night pretty much and the same thing seems to now be underway. It happened today at an uh at an event and because we know it is policy that no cars should be on the grass, we called Chief Narsh, a neighbor did because that is policy and that is of concern to him. So, a little reminder um also if it is policy on the other hand that parking is okay. Um maybe it could be a money maker, you know, in terms of any permitting and attached per car fees because money is being made on valet parking because valet parker valet are being used. It costs money to hire them. Somebody is making money off of the valet parking and it is occurring in Cyclone Park on the grass. So, in summary, um lastly, I do have pictures of that really cool Millington Park area that the flooding that's happening, all the parking that happened and the trench that happened if anyone wants to follow up with me. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any further public comment, John? John Love. Uh, it's hard to hear what you're talking about with the acoustics in this. Uh, your address, please, John. Pardon? Your address. Name name for the record. I live at 200 North Sagena. Thank you. Uh, I have a dog park in my in front of my house where the dogs make donations. as they traverse it. There's one there currently that I haven't uh made arrangements for. Uh anyway, it's hard to hear what you're talking about and u unless you talk into the

microphones. So, I don't quite hear all of what you're saying. Uh, I'd like to seek some kind of a map that shows the uh parks that are in the village and the township because we also are members of the township and have access to all of the other parks. So, I'd like to see it in integrated in some way with some kind of a map at least to show where they all are. And uh they also have uh people that uh work full-time at the village at the township. So we could have them even come down here and talk with us at some point about the overlap because we're all in the same ball game. So those are a couple of thoughts that I'd like to see uh integrated into what we're doing. Thank you. Thank you, John. Any other public comment, Scott? You want to talk to this or you want to drive these people crazy already? I don't think so. Hello. Uh Scott Schlag, 6378 Weatherford Court, Holly Township. Sorry. Um we're at that time again. We have baseball starting up on May 31st right here at Cyclone Park. Uh that is going to be our Battle Alley Brawl which is sponsored by Battle Alley Brewery. Uh June 7th, the very next weekend, we have our Holly Cup with our four clubs that were here last year. And the response that we got from them last year is they loved it here and they have made this their own little personal tournament every year amongst the four of them. Nice.

Um I do have the team from New York coming in August. Um they travel the whole United States. So, um they are actually playing Gettysburg a month before they come to Holly. So, um it's a tough follow. [Laughter] So, they might, you know, and the actually the club they're playing against, Mount Clemens, is playing in Gettysburg as well that weekend. So, our name is going to get out there to other to other clubs throughout uh the Mid-Atlantic states and uh the Midwest. Um then we have our, you know, our last tournament is always the Kerry Nation. Um the plan is if mother nature cooperates is to hold the first two tournaments right in front of the flag pole. So hitting towards the village offices. Village office would be dead center field. Uh last year a couple gentlemen from Canton almost hit the building from the little league field and I didn't want to see that happen again. Um, one of the things I would ask permission for is possibility of creating a small volunteer team to go in and clear some of the um the brush along the fence just back a little bit if that's possible. Uh along the tree the line where

um the houses are Yeah. Yeah. Just because ball foul balls will go in there and I don't want people coming out itchy. So that works out good with some of the complaints we've had from the residents along there. Y and the mosquitoes. So there's a lot of poison ivy in there to be careful of. So you'll be seeing me out there with a weed whip and a hazmat suit. So Um anyway, there will be signage that'll be up the day of the game. Uh there'll be signage going around Saturday with our schedule. Um I have big poster ones that I will have clubs signed throughout the year and we'll have donated at the end of the season. Um, and I look forward to, you know, seeing what how this year transpires. So, again, thank you for allowing me to bring my little crazy little baseball. Isn't it time of year now for donations to your baseball? There is. I didn't want to come hat in hand, especially after listening to everybody. Well, uh, I'll I've got the invoice from last year, so I will send that to you. Uh, $200. Oh, backup plan for the township. If for some reason beloved Cyclone Park is underwater and we don't feel like doing the backstroke to chase down fly balls, uh Soren Park is the backup plan. Now you have to get a hold of Mary. I have to go over there and talk to talk to her because we got little league schedule, but this is on the weekend, isn't it? Yeah, Saturday. I think we're okay, but check with her. I will. I just been traveling a lot more. this floods you could do water polo.

Yes. And actually also an old game. Um thank you for taking down the little league field that got a lot of uh good feedback from the players last year. Um there the one concern is doing that there was a lot of grass that was ripped up and some divots and stuff. Was that all filled back in? Yeah, we went through last. Okay. I kind of fell by that way. So, but thank you. Can I bug your husband for some bales of hay again this season? Sure. Awesome. And that's it. Thank you, Scott. If you get a chance, next Wednesday night at six o'clock, I'll be in Chicago. Oh, bring us some pizza. But we'll pass the word along for donations at the next V Township Parks meeting. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Thank you very much, Scott. Thanks, Scott. Any other public comment? Uh, let's go to reports. Brian, we talked about the swings and the bouncy toys, so we've got some direction there. Um, I have talked to the mowing contractor about the work that was currently done at Waterworks Park and I'm going to meet with him about maintaining that more. Well, he he walked it and he asked if he we wanted it mowed and I said yes, but he's concerned that there's some stumps left there that's going to be hard on his equipment. So I said we can walk it, see what areas that we can top soil and seed that he can get to and then I may have to send one of my guys over there just periodically to to weed whip. But I because he has concerns about time and weed whipping as not outside his contract that because we added to that but we will try to keep that as cleaned up as possible. So because there was a

lot of work that went into that so there's no sense in wasting that. Um there is um cyclone the cyclone parking was brought up. Um the the village manager and myself have made contact with the owners of venue 111. Their crew will be here tomorrow to fix the damage that was done today. And then uh the village manager is meeting with them on Monday to discuss long-term plans. As previously discussed, there is a parking agreement that was approved by council before we moved into this building. So, um, I explained it to a couple of the commissioners that if that needs to change, then there needs to be a recommendation probably from this board to go back to council and then council would have to resend that parking agreement. Do you have recollection? Was that an annual agreement or was it just a non before I was on council? Yeah. And it was before we were in here. I remember when it happened. It was a while ago. There was there was no sunset on that agreement. No, I think it was an open-ended agreement that both sides could change it or or terminate it, but it had to be done through the proper channel. So, that's I said if this board wants to make a recommendation to council, then staff can create a council action request. It can be discussed. Um, we'd have to find I know there was an agreement, a written agreement, and I know there was some different discussions at various council meetings about parking on the grass, not parking on the grass. There was some discussion about creating pasture parking out there similar to what was done on the north end of town at a venue up there. Um but I don't remember all the particulars of what was what was accepted and um from council for this parking agreement because I think it was about 5 years ago. I think it was during COVID or right after they opened. So um but there is a council did grant a parking arrangement and I know there was talk of adding parking and doing different

things and there was some renderings that were shown and but there was nothing ever concrete about additions and then we moved forward with moving in here and renovating this. So, um that that changed a little bit a couple things too. So, u while we're discussing that u can you check with the county on the drain situation here again? Well, I can but historically that area stays wet until about July. Yeah, because the county drain is pretty flat through here. It goes all the way out to uh Beaven's Lake there. So, um we've had the county out here and um they would have to special assess everybody to add another drain or do anything like that. I know the township manager or township supervisor and myself have put a little bit of pressure on the drain commission to get us back on the radar because we sort of the maintenance out in this area has been neglected for several years. And they they did admit to that, but and don't quote me because I know there's rules, but they're they're only allowed to spend so much money on a maintenance project before it has to be approved. And that's by state law. And I don't know exactly what those numbers are, but it's it I want to say it's minimal. And when you talk about a construction project, like 25,000, $30,000, it's not a whole lot when you talk about having to clean a drain out, get heavy equipment out here and do maintenance on something like that. Yeah, this has been a problem for ongoing years, but also the last couple years have been wetter. In the last three days, Pontiac got 3.1 inches of rain, and we got some of that. Yeah, we got about an inch of rain overnight. the last 24 hours. So they said usually an inch a day for three days. So we got still a lot of water in Holly. Yeah. And that's always been a problem out there because we used to do cyclone part softball and sometimes it was pretty

tough playing a game down there where the old uh ball diamond was. Yeah. I just want to make a comment about the uh parking. Uh I I strongly would urge the uh the village council to consider updating this contract agreement um because I've received a lot of calls from individuals about parking out there and everyone that I spoke with I nobody was certain about this contract. Somebody had heard about it uh but there was nothing concrete. So again it sounds like it sounds like our manager is going to be meeting with them this week to do that. I I would definitely have to go to council. I would definitely recommend that I go to council to have something concrete as well. There is there is a there is a council voted on a parking agreement. um that would just have to be reviewed by the current administration and then presented to I again I would just again respectfully because when I spoke with with some some individuals here officials here in for the village they were not aware of this agreement and uh and I know that many residents were very upset to see uh parking on grass especially on park grass so but again I understand I understand that there's a need and uh and I respect whatever the the village council recommend, but I I certainly do ask that you may want to revisit this and and update it a little so everybody knows what they're responsible for doing. Thank you. And I also receive phone calls about it. And I said, "The two people you should be contacting instead of everybody else, including me, is the village manager and the chief of police." Because that issue, I knew there was agreement for parking out there. So, if it's a consensus of this board, I'll give I'll pass it along to the village manager that I got a lot of calls Friday that they want that want to

review. And last Friday was prom. Yeah. So, the and it was at venue 111. So, prom. Yeah. So, if the consensus of the board is that they want council to review that, I'll pass that on to Tim. And then when Tim meets Monday with the owners, then it it'll probably be brought up on Tuesday because I'm sure if members of this board were approached, there's probably other council members that were approached also. Yeah, I was told by Carol the clerk that according to Timited and I don't want to do request. I was just wondering the status. Yeah, we'll find out sooner or later. Okay. Any other questions for Brian? I was just want to say like uh last Friday with like all the concerns I also got a bunch of calls and came out and I saw tire marks going across the park but so obviously like they're abusing the parking obviously. So definitely need to review it and maybe even put in if you know further abuse happens then revoke it. Okay. I said I'll pass I'll pass the consensus along to the manager. He's going to meet with the owner and then it'll probably be brought up to council and then council can decide because I don't believe there's anybody on council that remaining that was part of the original agreement. So Buster maybe because he was on council before he was on the council before we got elected. So Okay. Yeah. So yeah, he might be the one. Yeah. So, okay. Yep. Any other further questions for Brian? Let's move on to Chris. Chris, do you have any reports? All good. Thanks, Joe. Yep. Rea? Nope. Nothing. Gail?

Nope. Sarah, the holidays committee did meet briefly yesterday. They continue to meet on a monthly basis. Um I'm gonna we need to start ramping up on the the community play day aspect which is the portion that parks um sponsors and um that that involves contacting nonprofits, churches and schools and inviting them to participate. I could use I could use assistance if anybody is interested in getting involved in that. And um once probably in another month or so, we'll get hot and heavy on Halloween. Cool. Any questions for her? Moving on to Amber. Um basically, yeah, just to summarize what Brian OD said, uh we met as a council for the last couple weekends to talk about our budget. Things were good there for a little while, but Now, we we may see Yeah. a drop in our stuff, but honestly, for the last couple years that we've been on here, we've never come close to even using the budget that we've been allowed. Yeah. Good job. Okay, Jane. Excuse me. I just wanted to thank uh everyone who participated in the various cleanup of our parks. I I have the the uh the privilege and honor of working for both the township and and the village. And I tell you, uh we're better, right? We'll listen to that start. That's what we got to do. All I can say is it's beautiful and they're both both sides and u and u it

was wonderful to go out there and clean up many of the stuff and and work with many of the volunteers and I was just stunned that sometimes people would just come off the driving and they would volunteer to help clean up and things of that nature. So that was really awesome and again I I can't thank uh the staff enough for their for their work. Uh Danny, thank you so much. us out there. That was tremendous what you That was excellent. And then of course and this weekend too and then with the with the on the other side of the township when we did the beach and and going out to visit all the parks. So u is it's just tremendous. Our parks are probably one of our one of our most beautiful jewels in in uh in our village and township and I'm hoping that we continue to to uh to take care of them and address their their concerns and their needs. So, lots to do. Lots to do. But thank you everybody. Tim, yeah, I just want to say uh I mentioned last month about wanting to set up events and that for kids and that I haven't forgot. I still am trying. Just robotics. I volunteer mentor with robotics that kicked up again and got busy. So, still trying with that. So, I haven't forgot. Still doing that. Robotics is going good. The high school teams did really good. the middle school team was doing really good. Um, I also want to say also with the clean up at Waterworks when I was out there, I was out there for the whole time. It was chilly. It was a fun day. Kept everybody moving, but what a great group. I mean, they they worked so hard and so just they never gave up. They never quit. And it was volunteer work and they worked like it was, you know, like a career life work. I mean, it was like they were out there to do it and get it done. And and we even had kids out there, high school kids, younger

kids, and they even impressed me thoroughly. Like they were out there not goofing off, working hard, and from the bottom of my heart, thank you. That was really good show for community support there. You know, on that note, if we have photos, let's make sure that we get an acknowledgement, especially and if you know the community members that were present, let's let's make an acknowledgement on the Facebook and social media pages. I took a lot of pictures, so I I sent them all to you. I don't know the names and stuff like that, but if you can post those or give them to Joe, do you happen to know the names of people that were present? Well, from the community, Danny's two boys were there and then there was a a girl that stopped to do community service and we wrote her name down. She was for honor society and her boyfriend helped too. So, we had talk later about it, but let's make it a point to to make the public like they showed up and they were just too they were a great group. Just thank you so much and that's it for me. Okay, my report. Well, parks and parks work together. That's what Sue Julian is helping us do is combine our efforts with the township and the village. And parks and parks can get along, so can everybody else. There's no excuses or no pointing fingers or anything else. And yeah, what are you trying to say? And I'd like to uh thank Holly Donut Shop for the for the donation of donuts and uh hungry or was it uh Little Caesars? That was Amber who donated the donuts up. Well, you trying to keep that Jane who donated. We don't want to. So, thank you very much. It's very appreciated. Yep. Everybody liked it. And we did the same thing. Scott that donated the gloves. By the way, were there any gloves left over? Does anybody have the gloves? I have the bag in my Okay. There are some. Will you just

bring it to the next one? Okay. And we we had township cleanup parks last weekend and and we did the same thing. Donut, pizza, water and we did the beach, the whole beach. And then we went up around the uh pole barn and cleaned that mess up. We got a lot done. And it was from 8 o'clock in the morning till 4 o'clock that evening. That was a long day, but we got it done. Bunch of good folks, too. We had eight uh volunteers and then different park officials and some of our employees. We got a lot done up there. Yeah, we we put in a new uh flag, US flag. Looks beautiful. Really nice. Yep. So, we got a lot done and we're all caught up and we're ready to go again this year. There's going to be a lot happening in town this year and we look forward with parks and parks working together and getting things done. Thank you all very much. So that's that's about it for my report. So I adjourn the meeting at uh 7:30. Thank you very much for all your attention. Yeah.