Council - Regular Meeting

go visit my son who happens to be in the Navy. He's retired from Navy. Well, the other one's Marine. He was on the SS George Washington. He was in to He does all the missiles definition missiles. Yeah. And then he would always say, "Yes, the Marines gives the Navy or the Navy gives the Marines a ride to wherever they're going." Okay. Whatever. You guys just go ahead and fight over it. I don't care.

We do best, don't we? But we need that from the phone company. I don't think so to be honest. Okay, this [clears throat] is for post. Yeah, postpone. I always ask who it was for a second there. Sorry, man. Clean up. Nice. He's He's in He's in hiding mode cuz I disrupted him this afternoon and and he didn't It's nap time. Well, he was trying to work on something and I disrupted him. All backwards. He's like, "Oh, no. I forgot what I was doing." That's yours.

Hi, Kayla. Hi, Kayla. Just have to tell him to move. Slap them in the back. Yes, we found ordinance for that parking and it's stout enough. It should be Yeah, I was going to say I thought it was 25. We have 50 in the park posted, but it's 25 on the street. Yeah. Yeah.

So, there's not enough. So, it's leaving the [laughter] I think that's something that you bring warm weather with you. Yeah. But, you know, when you come back now from going on vacation to Can I tell it's a lot worse?

I would be getting back on the [clears throat] on the the the boat or plane and going back there to where I call me when it's above my age. 65. [laughter] I say 72. 72 is nice. 72 and above. My age, not yours. [clears throat] Once it hits that that temperature, it's liveable. Yeah, in the mid-40s over there all the time, most of the time. I can always stand colder and then everything hurts so bad and it never never warms up.

Yeah. You want to Scott Wario if you want to pass that back to Holly and whoever has inside. Yes, that's from Craig. That's for the office. Yeah. [laughter]

You know, it's the eagle. I got right to it. What is this? Is this for me? Well, you just told the other person that knows about it. So, [clears throat] Six minutes and be home break. [laughter] Say it one more time. Jose

happy to share any information they follow [snorts] [laughter] [snorts] Okay. Yeah, I know. We got like $500. So, I think most of it

Yeah. 505. So we would have enough for that and Christmas party and maybe still enough for we've already so we have bring it out. And this is after Yeah. Yeah. You can put in the dishwasher. Yeah, I've done that before. And So many

church. [clears throat] Well, and you won't be able to either. Katrina tells me I need to speak up. I'm not No, I don't think so. I think everybody signed right to take out and dirt and whatever. I mean I mean it actually but all this so I will ask this while I'm sitting here. So these two will be put up in how do we highway and district fun? [snorts]

Yeah. Oh yeah, that you've already

took it out of here [clears throat] for sure. [laughter] That was out of local street and lift. It depends. highway paving and then the last capital. So we'll roll those two over. That's what I thought. Same way with this opioid basically.

Yeah, it keeps dry. Yeah, it's boiled down. There's only four slides for

Yeah, that's what I wanted. or something like my will. Yeah, that was

so we can get it for something else. There was a sign or something like that. I just wanted to get those in there before got any later, you know, things like that. And then the encumbrance is when will we have to have

this one here?

Hey, I did that on purpose. We still have about 10,00 but Bob won't use all of his. So we'll be I mean we'll be on air. for us this time or life support one or the other [laughter] probably life support well actually though when you look at what's in the bank it's not so bad right yeah I mean the budget and there's so there's there's room for some money

and that's what I think about the rest of wheel, but they had a lot of hece.

Okay. Uh we're going to go ahead and get started at six o'clock. We'll do our normal minutes and all that. Right now we have a few chairs up front if anybody wants to sit down, please. Because it's kind of hard to hear. Okay. Has everybody read the minutes? Yes. There needs to be a correction to the second paragraph in the where it talks about the battery energy substation and it says uh Holland is misspelled. No, didn't make that correction. Nitpicky. No, but it needs to be right. Yeah. You have any corrections or additions?

What about in lie of safety issues anticipated with the construction? Did this happen or what we had on? We just talked to Brian discussion discussion with Brian. I don't have anything else. [clears throat] Okay. I'll make a motion we accept the minutes as read with a one correction. I second. All in favor? I I does do any of you guys have some questions on the budget? Otherwise, I have a couple things to point out.

I don't.

No. Okay. If you're on the general budget and you go down to [clears throat] services and charges and there's a minus amount there, that will be covered with our SS4A. Whenever they charge us, Commonwealth, we pay it out of general. But when the reimbursements come in, that actually goes into a refund reimbursement fund. So all those will be covered. About 44,000 will go back in there that's in the reimbursement fund. So that will reverse most of that. I just want to point that out uh in case you wondered. Um also on the fund report on the minus in the [clears throat] motor vehicle highway fund, if you notice the two B underneath it, local street and MBH, that will be reversed into the local street to take care of that. Mhm.

And it's already been paid to Rudolph. Also on the next paragraph where the $255.99 on opioid funds and then you see a minus in the American Rescue that actually will be funded back into that. So those are the two corrections I had there. Yep. Just FYI because we're going to have to transfer over money

to pay because we just got another bill from Commonwealth for $34,000. So, we'll pay that out and then we'll be reimbursed 80% which is $27,355. The problem is everything reun refunds and reimbursements come into a certain fund, but then we're paying the bill out of the general fund. So, they just have to be transferred. [clears throat] And Ray's already got that. He's working on that. If you haven't signed the signin sheet, would you sign the signin sheet, please? Anybody? [clears throat] So, does anybody have anything else? Any comments on the appropriation report or any of that?

Motion accepted. Okay, I'll second. All in favor? I I Oh, I just flipped over.

[clears throat]

Next item up is Pittsburgh Tank. We had a inspection by Pittsburgh Tank on both the Holland one and the Standill one and we have the report back from them. Scott has a copy of it also and they told us the things that they would like to see done and it's all in either critical deficiency, non-critical, OSHA structural or preventive maintenance and we had a kind of a video chat with them over what is entailed and how much of this is required. I do have a few things marked if you want to go through them together. Uh the top one on the Iowa Street tank electrically ground the tank grind ground the tank at $1,100.

Yep. Um now Scott said he could go ahead and power wash the second one which is clean the area around the anchor bolts but they are going to tack weld it. So that's kind of an optional one if we want to do that or not. Uh, the next one I have, most of these are OSHA ones. The $100 post the space entry and the $100 fall protection entry and the postcon $200 one. Those are all ocean ones that if they're on the tank, they might as well post the signs. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to climb up there. Oh, come on. And Scott said he didn't want to either. [laughter]

I know. We're being weenies. We'll give you a road. Um, and then [clears throat] after that on the next page, there's [snorts] $200 post confine space entry and install the lock on the primary roof latch. $50. Yep. Okay. Then then it gets down to replace the existing roof vent with a vacuum pressure frost proof vent and screen. They consider that critical. After talking to her, I think it's a good idea. If it's sucked down too fast, it can it can cave in. It won't be vented properly. Okay, that's one I would like to see us do.

Uh the next one down that's $4,000, which is the dry interior cleanout. I think that's critical also. Yep. Like to do that. The only one on there that is in preventive maintenance that I would like to see is install the passive cathotic protection system, which is the rods that go inside the tank. That will extend the life of the paint and the pitting. They're installed in the new ones, but we don't have them in that one. In the standill tank? No, this is in the hollow, the 200,000galon. [clears throat] Yeah, that's the old one. The standill tank has them, but we don't here. Okay. She, the way she explained it, it would really help to extend the life of the paint and the interior.

Last time we had that, we had a lot of corrosion on the inside of that tank. So that was something she said would help extend the life of that. Okay. So I think that's pretty important. That's preventive maintenance. That's something new, Scotty. Or what? [laughter] Yeah, it is on the Stendo tank. Right. I think they've just found that that extends the life of the paint and prevents as much corrosion on the inside because it takes the hit. Yep. You know, versus Yeah. versus the tank. Yep. Makes sense. So, those are the ones on that that I would like to see done. Um, and you guys, if you see something else, I mean, I think most of the stuff that we picked out is pretty important.

Yeah. Um, and then on the Stendle tank on the first page, of course, it's installed locks 100, 50, 100, and 50. Those are installed locks and posted confined space entry. Those are all OSHA. So, and then the next one down is 100 confined spaces. That's also OSHA. And then it's to replace the existing roof vent with a vacuum pressure frost proof. Why they didn't put that in there when they installed it, I do not know, but that was another critical one. Mhm.

And then I think that's it. All those together around 25,000. Now, if we decide not to do the two cleanout areas and we power wash them and don't tack weld them, that's about $4,400. And the only purpose behind tack welding is to keep it from swaying solid. So, well, the swaying is a welding windage adjustment rods, but this is so the nuts won't loosen up and all that. So, I mean, that's optional. So, what do you think about that? Should we go ahead and do that or I mean I don't know the biggest concern I would have. Okay.

I mean if you're out Yeah. I mean that's $4,800 that we can skip out on if we just power wash it and clean it and make sure the bolts are tight. So anyway, with all the stuff together, it's still around 24,000. Um the water department's in really good shape right now. I would suggest we go ahead with this. They will send us another when we when I call them back, I will tell them what we decided to do. They'll send us another quote because uh moving and all the equipment stuff the prices will change somewhat since we're not doing all of it and then I'll bring it back to you guys and we'll approve it there if you don't mind. Yep. It works.

Okay. Then I make a motion we accept that as presented second it. All in favor tank commons update for once. Good news.

Um over here in the commons we have this extra area that they usually put the bouncy houses and stuff. Well, a few months ago, Steve Hanky came to me and asked if he he was considering putting a playground or something in there and putting it in honor of his sister Bev and his brother Ron. I said, "We really don't need another playground. We have a lot of those. We could use a bathroom or a community center." So he called me back this week and he has offered to put in a 60x40 community center with two bathrooms, a kitchenet and enough room in the front for about a hundred people together that would be put and I've got and you all have these two and if anybody wants to see it there it is. He it's about a $700,000 project. He will totally donate it and get it all done. When he is done then it would be turned over to the town. From then on, we would be responsible for all maintenance, electrical, gas, water, sewer, all of that, which could be put in a a a budget for that. That's not a problem. I think in my opinion, which is only my opinion, if we do not accept this, I think we're foolish. It is a wonderful gift and it would be in honor of Bev and Ron, but he would complete it and then turn it over to the town. the insurance would be, and this is ballpark. I called to ask about what they thought the increase in insurance would be with having the area rented and we can rent it out. I said, "Now, just so you're clear, we can rent this out for small weddings, receptions, showers, reunions, because it'll be heated and air conditioned." So, he said, "Yes, you can rent it out." So, that would be a great boom, too, because we make around $2,800 a year on the shelter houses in the summer. Uh whether we have that many people rented

or not, I don't know, but it's an option that we don't have now or for a bigger meeting area, which would be nice. Yeah. So, I is going to be a brick building or what? He did not say if it's gonna be brick, but I would say it'll be quite substantial. Yeah. Knowing knowing Steve Yes. And you know, Steve does beautiful work. And it's also got a sidewalk. And if you notice on this, it's set back enough from the sidewalk. We could put about another eight or nine or 10 parking spaces on the side where the entrance door is. And then also we would be going down the road [snorts] on district. I mean, Lynn Lynn.

Yeah. So, I mean, you can't provide parking for everybody, but we can't provide parking for everybody in town for anything. So, but that would be that would be very helpful for the community. Well, I think it's a great thing for the community. I don't know if anybody else wants to comment, but I think it would be great for the town of Holland. And I think he will do a beautiful job. Just like he did the stadium. Oh, yeah. The stadium. And you know, he's just really good about that. But then I told him he maybe wanted to put a plaque like in Hanky Stadium like he's got for his mom and dad that would state this is in honor of Bev and Ron, you know, blah blah blah given by Steve Hanky and

this is a Oh, now I know we haven't got any plans or anything other than this footprint. Is this going a twotory? It will have an upstairs storage area. Storage area which and there'll be plenty of room up there and there'll be a stairway going up. I've seen that

because I was thinking, you know, then we might need to start purchasing slowly some tables and chairs for if you rent it out, that kind of thing. And but there is plenty of storage up there for whatever need be. And then we would do just like Katrina does now for the shelter houses. They call in here and reserve it. And then I don't know what the appropriate amount would be to to rent it out. I know the Legion is $100 to rent out the top of that. Now, one of the shelter houses is 120, the other one's 80. So, I mean, we can figure that out later. Figure that out later, too. I would make a motion that we accept this offer. I second that. All in favor?

I will give him a call back. He may be listening tonight, but yes. Thank you, Steve. That would be great. We'll have some comments at the end. Yeah. Or well, okay, you can have a few minutes on this on this particular Yes. Uh, I would I would it would behoove us to maybe look into a curbon gutter if we're going to put that on so we have the right amount of uh drainage. We'll look into that and I'm sure he already has thought. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that's what he does for a living. But that is I just want to make the board aware that once it's turned over to us, we are responsible. and Taylor's going to get us a memorandum or resolution sort of donation or gift agreement with him so that he knows that the town would take over maintenance utilities and insurance after it's turned over and then we'll have an ordinance establishing a specialty fund right yeah that's just so he's got something when it's turned over and I mean he already has someone to build it so I mean he's just waiting for us to say yes right so

so it'll be it should move along pretty good Real quick, Melanie, I just as Holland events, I we're really excited to hear this. I'm speaking on behalf of the group tonight probably more than I should, but this is a really great opportunity for us to give back to the community. It is because we have a lot of generous people and we have our steely knock there. We have our summer party there and if it's extremely hot or like this weekend's going to be extremely cold, it would be nice to be able to move inside and have restrooms and a miniature kitchen. you see this being making our community events better. Great news.

It is. I thought it was great. Um, we'll move on to the raises. We had agreed at an executive meeting on the raises for a merit raise for Katrina and then everyone else across the board 3%. I would like to vote on that to put it in for the first of the year. I make a motion we accept those amounts. If I make that motion, all in favor? Hi. Oh, we're zipping right through this. We're doing good. We're anxious to get to AES. Yeah, of course we are. You are. You might be. Uh, end of the year meeting date. Ray just said he would be gone the last three or four days of the month. He just got back from vacation.

I know. He just came back from Paris. What is this? We are paying him way too much. You got to resubmit in 90 days for final disapproval, man. [laughter] Put that in the minutes. Anyway, he's suggesting the 22nd or the 23rd for the end of the year meeting. 22nd or 23rd. One Monday or Tuesday. Yeah. 23rd won't work for me. Okay. Okay. Well, that kind of leads us to the 22nd. I can do the 22nd. Okay. I think I can. But but I'm good. You're out of luck. 22nd. And at that time, we'll do the incumbrances and transfers and that kind of stuff. What time did you say? What time would you like it?

Normal time six. Okay. Six o'clock. That's all right. Yeah. [clears throat] Um I have on here the school Christmas donation. If you noticed on our budget, we have $500 left in our promotional. So, um we normally give to the Christmas program, the Christmas party up at the school. Um, and then last year I think we gave the steely knock to and I think the postp promise asked, but that will be out of next year's budget too. But I would like to give a $100 to the Christmas party at the school and also to the steely knock. And then what what do we have left in that fund raise? 500.

It's on your budget. Yeah, just look at promotional. Yeah, but I'm not looking at the budget right now. So you should have memorized it. Yes, ma'am. [laughter] So like being married over and over, man. [laughter] So So we have 500 left. Yeah. And that would take two out of my pocket. So that simple math would be 300 left, right? Yeah. Okay. And the postp prom can be paid out of next year's lab. So I'd like to make a motion. Uh one is the school uh Christmas program $100. The other one is the steely knock, which is this weekend by the way. $100. Yep. Um, I'll make that motion. Second. All in favor? I Okay.

Uh, dumpsters. Okay. I did make um a point at the commissioner's meeting to tell them that we had offered the lagoons if they could not find another place. He's not real happy about that. But, uh, Donnie Leakin, but I said, you know, if you can't find any place else, we don't want to lose. Why? Why was he not happy about that? Well, he says when you drive up the road between the maintenance shed, there's the road and then there's a ditch on this side. Afraid people would run off into the ditch. There's a ditch on the way out there. Well, and if people go up there to put the trash out, too. I mean, near the limbs and whatever. Well, they'd have to have that a fenced in area off, too.

Well, yeah, they have to have fenced in area side of that road that goes up there. But I just wanted to get it in the minutes on the commissioners that if there was nothing else available that had been offered because he had talked to several other people who were not interested in selling them ground. So if if he's worried about that ditch, is it because of oncoming traffic meeting traffic, you think? [snorts] Or no, he just said in case people run off the road. Okay. A and I mean I get where he's he would rather have it off somewhere else fairly close to town, but everybody he's asked does not want to sell two acres to put it on. So last resort, I made sure that it was in the minutes of the commissioners that we will not lose it

because I was told if we didn't have a place for it, we would lose it. Scott, if that's an issue with B, if he brings that up as an issue, would we be able to put gravel to spread that out? Make it wider, I should say. The road. Yeah. Not over by a little tiny bit maybe. Or they may do that. Just enough to do it. They build it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Get pretty busy. I mean, that's the only other option I could think is that they're worried about oncoming traffic meeting each other. So, that's a week. Well, I mean, it's only open on two days. Yeah. Yeah. Um I don't want to lose it. No, we don't want and I don't want it in a residential area and we really don't have a lot else to offer.

So, you know, just I'm just bringing that up so everybody knows that it is in there for that. Yep. Um BNB, uh do we want to have the lagoon sprayed for bugs or not? That's Scott shaking. He said yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's $480 a year if you guys want to think about that or whatever. They spray here now. What's What's they spray? It's the same same.

Yeah, that's for the whole year from when they start to when they finish. [clears throat] So it's a total down here. It says monthly. Oh, that's when the he does it monthly, but this is for the year total.

Yeah. Not for ticks. Spiders. That's all I hear. Yeah, there's giant spiders in there. Scott's afraid of spiders. Spiders. My Superman is afraid of spiders. He's terrified of spiders. Okay. Someone's at the town, man. So, that explains the screaming out there. I'm [laughter] screaming like a little girl. He's found some spiders. I'm in favor of it. Yeah. Do you agree, John? Yeah, I agree. Okay, we'll go ahead and Okay. All in favor? I

I let him know the school little league. Uh, you know, we had the Irene Bartle field up there for several years that was initially put in for the Little League and we haven't had anybody taking care of it for a long time. It's owned by Southwest Duboce County School Corporation. Um, we have been looking at cleaning up. If you haven't noticed, the sign is down. We have a tremendous problem with parking at the school when we have events. So, they had considered what they were going to do there. I do have a not on the stoner that is buying the white house that sits next to the church to the school, donating it to the school board so it can be torn down. Oh my.

The metal building there has already been sold so it will be moved down. And then they would like to take down the fence temporarily so that they can do some dirt work to kind of smooth it out. Make an area for the kids to come from the back playground down to that so they have more play area and make it easier to get to, easier access. And then we'll put the fence up going along Second Street again. So there, you know, because that's pretty close to a lot of traffic, school buses and that kind of thing. Yes. A lot coming.

Yeah. So it, you know, as a safety issue, they would put the fence back up. This is all going to be done by Southwest Duboce County School Corporation other than, like I said, the house being bought by donor and giving it to the school. So that will give us a lot more parking at the school. And the only reason why I'm bringing it up is I just want you all to know what's going on in case y anybody has any questions. So that's a good news for the town, too. Yeah. comment. Go ahead.

Okay. Uh there's always a lot of traffic up there when they have an event up there. If somebody has something really bad to happen, the parking lot's full up there. There's no cop systems to take anybody out and it gets very congested like my next door neighbor. Anyhow, that's beside the point. The what I would I had presumed a long time ago, I thought maybe they could come in from on that side over there if there's parking on that side of the gymnasium. and on this side and that would eliminate a lot of a lot of you know for

I have brought that up and they are looking into what [laughter] would be better [clears throat] you know some you know we have an awful lot of congestion on Meridian Street when school pickup school drop off and if they park in the middle of the road as they're sitting there waiting for 45 minutes because they get there so early [laughter] anybody coming over the hill could have an accident so I' really been trying to get us more parking off the road and I don't know who who I heard rumors that there was going to car

I've heard that I don't know that for sure. Anyhow, I told somebody. So why what I was going to comment on is if if they were amicable to pro to make a little you know on each side of the road there's parking. Mhm.

The town owns some right. So then that would make more parking. So between the the east side and the west side and the east side would eliminate some of the major parking around the bank and all that stuff. Yeah, and this is what we're working on, trying to get parking moved over and having less congestion with people coming in and out and and Southwest Corporation is really cooperating with us. They asked permission to do it since it's been there for so long, but nobody does take care of it. So, it's another win-win for us. Brian, is there any other place that we could do an airback in land chopper in town? Yeah. Other than that, because that's been like that for years and years, right? That was the primary.

Okay. [clears throat] I do have vehicle van checks. I think you brought something up for that. Yeah, we can collect $5 per check. Um, pursuant to Indiana law, we just have to establish an or we have to adopt an ordinance establishing that fee. Um, and then the fees have to be collected into a local law enforcement continuing education fund. Okay. So, and we already have one of those established. We'll just adopt the ordinance. I'll get that drafted. Yeah. Because when you're doing several of them, you know, we might as well get the $5. Yeah. So, are you guys okay with that? Yeah, absolutely.

That's why I put that on there. Okay. Now that I'm done yapping, yapping yapping, uh, we have the AES presentation. And I will say that we're going to we're going to have five minutes for Q&A per person later. Your time's up. Your time is up. John's done the leg work on this, so I'll let him take it from here. Okay. So, before we get into the Q&A, how many who's going to do the presenting for the AES? I'll start us off, sir, and then we'll have a couple of our project managers and then specific these two fellas here. Okay. And then once they're done, then we'll open it up to the floor.

And please remember, you have a fivem minute limit. And these people up here is they're here to give us information and we're not here to bash them. If you have a question, ask the question. Don't get belligerent. if you get belligerent, we're going to ask you to to leave. And that's why our town our marshall and and the deputy marshall are here. So, make that be said. Let that be heard that we will not put up with any of that shenanigans. That's my daughter like to say.

Okay. Go ahead, sir. Thank you, sir. Uh, with your permission, I've got some packets for each of you counselors. Not that you don't have enough papers here, uh, but it does have the presentation I'm going to speak from as well as my colleagues. Um, it's also got some more hopefully neutral information from a battery uh energy standpoint from our Indiana Office of Energy Development. Um, and a couple of articles in there for your uh reading pleasure. Um, so I'll walk you through kind of an overview of the solar component. Um, I won't touch on battery. I'll turn it over to the experts and I'll start by saying I'm not a technical person. So when we get into questions, I'll have to have some backup. Uh, but I'm Jeff Cumins with AES Indiana. I'm part of the utility that works out of Indianapolis. um and has operations around the state. Uh before I kind of cover some of the overview, I want to make some acknowledgements because we have heard from several of your constituents with concerns, questions, and we have been far from perfect in sort of sharing information, getting information out. Um heard from uh someone who I think probably speaks for a number of folks who said, you know, for example, the email address that we produced uh for questions and comments to come to the company malfunctioned. Uh the postcards for our openhouse arrived at some homes after the event occurred. Um the um the virtual openhouse that we tried to offer even as people signed up whether in person or otherwise not everybody received the link. Um and at this point we're assuming our initial June letters of introduction were not received by some of the local officials in the community. So, one after the other after the other in terms of errors and mistakes on our part, it's unacceptable. Uh, and and so we're here in person to to say that and to acknowledge that when we engage in a community, we and all developers need to do a better job. Um, and even though we're a utility and you know, development is as a developer, not necessarily our Bailey Wick, but we and all developers who seek to do business

in communities around our state need to understand that these communities and these counties are a people with a culture and a character, not an economic zone from which resources ought to be extracted. And when we come in to make investments and to be neighbors and partners, we should have a more permanent presence and a more professional uh mode of communications and operations. So, that's what I first wanted to say before we get into kind of the project specifics. Uh, the other thing I'll add, and so maybe this is the fifth flub. Didn't bring copies for everybody, but we can make those available uh by email to you or to others uh so you have uh that to distribute. So, we can do that, no problem. As well as maps. So, that map you're looking at, it's not terribly clear, but we can make kind of a single image and and email that to you as well so people can view that. Uh because that's the main thing. Where are we? What are the boundaries? What are we doing? And we understand that. So, uh, just want to make those acknowledgements. And the first thing you see on the first page is kind of our footprint. So, as Indiana, the utility located in Indianapolis has operations kind of all around the state. We've got some wind up north in Benton County. We've got some uh gas in Marian County. We've got some coal in Pike that we're converting to gas. We've got solar in Clinton County. And our entire generation footprint is something like three and a half gigawatts. So, um, but we don't we don't use all that daytoday. And you know, the peak is I think our highest has maybe been 2.9 or something like that. You throw out a number and you're immediately wrong. But um but that's kind of our operations around the state. As you can see there, we're 520 square miles. So we serve Marian County, but we actually have some chunks of the suburbs up there, too. Um and then our our main interconnect, our our best interconnect is in Pike County. Uh 530,000 customers in our service territory. And yeah, 3.9 uh gigawatts of generation there as well. So that's kind of who we are. We've been in operation over 100 years. Um and uh and really are excited about some of the opportunities around the state to engage more communities. So the next slide you see there is our

solar solar and storage project. And again I want to acknowledge that um the storage component the battery itself is what people think found surprising or at least that's the feedback we got initially that whoa that was part of the project. Regret that. Um it's uh it's uh you know on us to make sure we outline clearly the full parameters of what we seek to do, what we seek to invest in your community. So you'll see there uh 85 megawatts of um solar, 85 megawatts of uh battery storage. That's equivalent to 14,000 some odd homes. Uh it'll be um 20 uh excuse me, 192,000 panels, 21 inverters. Battery units 92 uh battery inverters 23. Um, so that's kind of the tech sort of the equipment um that we've got um already fabricated in a lot of cases um and ready to go. More importantly probably to everyone here is this map. So what you see there and I apologize no no visual for the folks there but um there's a a red outline of where we could operate and then you see kind of yellow hashes where we plan to operate. So where panels will actually go uh that's what you see there that we'll make more available by email. Sorry for not having more copies of that and we can make any of this available actually most of it's online it's a state agency um including all the rules and regs around best. Um so these are the design plans that we have uh for that property and again the yellow are the panels and where those would go. Um in some cases you know folks have asked us for a vegetative buffer some screening we can do that. Um, I don't know that that's necessarily been planned for the entirety of the footprint, but we obviously uh can do that if that's what folks want us to do. Um, and then you you see the construction timeline. So, um, pre2024 was light source BP, another company. We bought it from them. Um, and then mid development is kind of a lot of the nuts and bolts. You see there things like,

um, environmental and technical studies, coordination with a number of agencies. uh Department of Homeland Security being one on the battery um safety components. They're the regulatory body. Engineering and design, uh off-site equipment fabrication and assembly. Much of that is underway and some of it done. Um and then some community briefings and open houses. Um we've met with a lot of folks on the community wanted commissioners earlier today actually, but we intend to do much more. So the other [clears throat] thing you'll see on here as we turn the corner on this year is another open house January 21st. So that's January 21st. we will be back in the community uh for an open house. Um and of course available phone, email. My personal phone is on the the sign-in sheet if people have questions. Um so we're always available by phone as well. Uh so that's when we uh at uh plan to be back. We may also, you know, at your request, we can obviously do more. Um so there's grid interconnection approvals, mechanical installation, and then you know final construction and operations. And so, uh, as we get into the construction overview, and then I'll hand you guys this because, so you can see the your the slides you're speaking from. Um, [clears throat] safety is our top priority. Um, it's one of our overall company values. Um, alto together is one of our company values, too. Not sure we've lived up to to that one in terms of working with you all, but we'll attempt to do better. Uh but safety is our top concern to the extent that one of the pieces of legislation that you have in your packet that passed in in 2023. Uh [clears throat] we were uh one of the chief and primary advocates for house enrolled act 1173 that set the standards for regulation for fire protection uh for mandatory uh uh safety training for the community for the u for the emergency responders. Uh we were one of the chief advocates of that legislation and and glad to see that that got through in in 2023. So um so with that I think that's the overview of solar. I know battery was big topic of conversation so I want to hand it to my friends at Fluence for further discussion of that.

Sorry that we uh don't have a presentation we can uh actually project for you but we'll do the best we can what we have here. Uh hello everybody. My name is Alex Wilcox and I'm the senior training lead at Fluence Energy. Michael Miller. I'm the project manager on the battery storage side for Fluence.

All right. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to kind of give you a high level overview of what the battery energy storage system looks like and uh there's a heavy emphasis on the safety features. So, I'll walk you through like at a high level what is included as far as the system design. So, this is what we refer to as our Grid Stack Pro 5000 system. Uh [clears throat] it's a new new system. We just started commissioning them this year. Um, and it incorporates all the same safety features that you see in our previous our last generation of systems which is known as root stack or generation six system. Um, currently and I'm proud to say we lead the industry when it comes to safety and safety features. So, a lot of other companies that do what we do are now trying to duplicate or replicate what we've done. Um, we perform, um, testing on all of our products that, uh, meet uh, UL 954A uh, standards right down to the unit level, meaning the battery modules themselves. Uh, we also do, and we're the first ones to do it, is largescale fire testing. As a matter of fact, I'm going to be in Arizona next week to observe large scale fire testing and UL9548 testing for our next generation of systems, which is known as smart stack. Um so what [clears throat] you see here this these enclosures are actually what house the um battery modules themselves. Um and you'll have racks in within them and then within those racks you'll find the modules. They're usually stacked up to eight high right and each module contains multiple cells that contain the energy right the power that goes into them. Um and then you have a uh a PCS which is a power conversion system or an inverter which will take the direct current uh from the battery modules themselves. So they'll come from the solar array into the into the batteries, right? And they'll be stored there. Uh and then this will convert it from direct current to alternating current before it goes into the step of transformer and then it goes out to the grid from there. And then there's telco equipment uh that supports the function of of the equipment itself. Anything you like to add?

Um so the PCS inverter system will be on a stand platform. Yeah. Um basis for easier installation, easier access for maintenance.

Okay. So, uh, this is what I'm sure everybody's really interested in knowing about is the actual safety features. So, if you're looking here, so this is a kind of like a a cutaway diagram of the internal, um, you know, components with inside each enclosure. So, first of all, uh, so these are the racks of the battery modules that I referenced before. You can see them stacked up here. Um so first of all the enclosure itself is designed to uh prevent propagation from one enclosure to another or so in other words if there were ever a thermal runaway event right a battery was to you know like overload or whatever and then it self-propagates and it self feeds and then it would expend would kind of go on to other batteries. The enclosure itself is designed to contain that fire, right? So, we're the first company that did this like modular design of enclosures to prevent propagation, right? And so, again, that was in our generation six systems and now we've incorporated into this new next generation of of uh system which is the Gripstack Pro 5000 possible walls in there.

Yeah. So, yeah. So, what I'm So, when I'm talking about that, so it's proprietary information, but there's insulation in the walls. It's a steel outer structure. So if there was a fire um the idea is that the container itself would be a sacrificial sarcophagi or sarcophagus right it would contain the fire. So meaning that um if you look at this right you've got enclosures back to back here um and then there may be space between them and across the service service aisle. So when we do these large scale fire tests that's what we do. We replicate field conditions. So we have an enclosure with another one adjacent to it, one directly behind it and then one per spec design, the number of you know feet um in the system across what would be the service aisle and we intentionally push a battery module into thermal runaway meaning that we make it like actually you know have an incident. Uh and then we track that and we and we you know examine it and what's going on within the system and we collect all that data and we test that we do that to make sure that the enclosure will keep that fire contained right. Uh to go along with that um there are deflration panels on the roof of the each enclosure. Uh and so the purpose behind those, it's a passive uh safety feature, meaning that if the vented gases from a overheating module um were to build up pressure with inside the enclosure, those will pop off, right? They have shear washers that keep them uh attached to the top of the enclosure. So they will pop off like a balloon popping and that will direct the force of any blast um you know or or you know escaping venting gas directed up and away from other equipment and personnel. [clears throat] So meaning that these containers will not explode right the the defation panels will go off and they're attached by 24in steel cables so they don't become debris you know that could hit people when they go off. In addition there's an active venting system. So there's inlets down here and outlet vent up here. So if the LFL, right, which is lower flammable limit within the container, if it should meet

that, it will actually start to automatically vent the gas. So you've got two ways of preventing an explosion. The deflibration panels, which is the backup, it's the passive system, and the active venting system that will also do that. across the top inside uh the enclosure are multiple um uh multi sensors, right, that will detect gases like carbon monoxide and and other gases uh at like 100 parts per million. So they're incredibly sensitive and they'll so if they detect any, you know, constituent gases from the uh vented modules um they'll activate this system and start to vent it. all the telco equipment and the uh HVAC and the chiller that maintains the ambient temperature within the enclosure itself and also chills the modules so that they keeps them cool so they don't overheat. It's located in this uh section this separate compartment here. Uh there is a fire suppression system but one thing you should know is this fire suppression is strictly there to prevent ancillary fires meaning non battery fires because a battery module it's a chemical fire right and the statex uh fire suppressant will not put out that type of fire right um and you wouldn't want to add water to the situation right it's it's electricity and water's not going to start it it's a chemical fire so again the containerized system designed to prevent propagation so you If there were an event and the fire department were to respond, they would be expected to maintain a minimum safe distance, form basically a cordon around it, make sure that nobody goes near it, and you just stand back and you wait for it to basically extinguish, right? Let it burn itself out, let it consume itself. Um, and then let's see. Oh, and then the sensors, right? So there's lots of [cough] machine, right? We're collecting, you know, thousands of data points, you know, every few seconds. And this is monitored around the clock 247. Uh so we have a remote uh monitoring diagnostic center that you know monitors

all of our projects globally. Uh in addition to ades the operators that will be managing the system themselves. So there's multiple sets of eyes on this at all times. Uh, additionally, um, the sensor data if there's so there'll be fire panels, multiple fire panels located throughout the project and that'll all feed into a master fire panel and that can be, uh, linked directly dial up, you know, or whatever to the local fire department. So if there was ever an event that somebody pulled a, you know, did a manual pull station for a fire alarm or one of the sensors, you know, tripped and there was like some sort of event or an emergency, they could have that, you know, they would get that right away and they would know so they could respond. Uh, in addition to all of this, so this is all like the engineered design safety features that go into the system. We also provide training uh at a local level with the local fire departments, right? So, we do extensive like on what to do, how to respond, you know, how water is not going to be effective in putting out a battery fire. Um, I was here just over a year ago uh for Petersburg, right, for the Pike County

project. I actually came out and did that training with that local fire department. Um, so if you wanted to talk to any of them, ask them questions, they can talk about the training that we provided that I personally provided. Um, and we will be doing that for this project as well. We do it for every project we do. And again, this is another area where we lead the industry um when it comes to safety is is the training that we give. Um and let's see, let me just turn the multiarter detectors, hydrogen detectors, [clears throat] flying active. Yeah. And then also within the container, the enclosure itself. So these racks are actually broken down into separate sections. So even if there was a fire in one section within one rack, it wouldn't propagate to another section. So again, it's the whole thing is it's meant to [clears throat] slow it down and and keep it contained. All right. Uh let's see. And then um yeah, so another thing, so no entry necessary, right? So these systems are designed the enclosures so that workers don't have to go into them. So there's never a chance of somebody being trapped within within one of these enclosures, right? The only time they need to be opened is if there's some type of planned or preventative or reactive maintenance. Um you know, it's a it's a really elegant design actually. Um Mike, anything you'd like to add?

Just that our the on and teams that are on site are whether they're in the building, you know, nearby, they're the reaction time is on the spot. They any any time of there's high voltage, low voltage, uh fire alarm when it's a false alarm. They're out there checking, isolating if they need to to check the equipment. Who is that? And operations.

Operations and maintenance. Yeah. [clears throat] And I work with our service teams a lot. do a lot of training with them. So, all right. Uh, let's see. And then this image here shows you what the what the so we refer to it as an array entire bass or battery energy storage system. So, this visual kind of gives you it's a rendering of what the what it would look like once it was constructed. And again, you can have a copy of all this. Uh, let's see. So, I talked about the data. Uh, so telemetry. So, 2,000 data points were collected per array, 3,000 per core every two seconds. So we're constantly monitoring it. Um and uh we use that to you know the system limits are continuously analyzed to ensure safe operation and the parameters include cell battery management system and power conversion system voltage temperature state of charge state of health and and a lot more. Um, as far as a proven safety record, so our generation 6 grid stack systems, which we've been we've deployed over 80,000 enclosures globally over the past three years, and we have not had one fire. [clears throat] We're batting a thousand for three years. We're talking Australia, Taiwan, Philippines, Germany, United Kingdom, all over the US. Not a single fire. We've had a few alarms and we've had people respond and [clears throat] then we just had to go back and reset but not a single fire. But we are but these um large scale fire tests we did six of these for the generation six systems and we've done multiple for each one of these sub uh subsequent generations. So we've we've done it right in field conditions right that have been set up to prove that it would do what it was intended to do. So we understand the behavior. We also study the the gases that are released from that. So, we have these large hoods over the uh where we do the burn and we collect those gases and we do all kinds of analysis and stuff on those as well. Uh and we've proven over time that the

gases that come out of one of these battery fires are far less toxic than what you would have from a traditional either commercial or residential fire. Right? So, the stuff that you know the gases you [clears throat] get right from the wood, the metal, the plastics, electronics from a residential fire are generally way more toxic than what you would encounter from one of these. And um whatever would be released if either act you know through the active ventilation system or if it was released through the defiliation uh panels um is quickly either would be burned up by the fire or it dissipates very quickly. You know usually within 50 ft it's it's dissipated. All right. Uh unless you have anything else. I think that's pretty much everything on the safety features. [clears throat]

Right. You can uh take questions if you have any. Yes. Go ahead. I'd like to know u at the at the uh the place of the area will there be personnel there during the day or will it just be set by itself and and and work by itself? So typically the battery energy storage systems are typically unmanned. Um usually there's only on and m personnel operations and maintenance personnel when they're doing planned or reactive maintenance. Um but every site, every project's a little bit different. So I I can't you know it's up to as what they would do. Oh sorry

what is the potential that like can they you know what potential energy how much potential energy is there at any particular time? So if you were to open one of these enclosures right and standing right there what could you call with the amount that's it well I think uh Jeff had mentioned right so for uh would you say how many homes? 14,000 14,000 homes. Yeah. But you sell that on the open market, right? So that potentially that wouldn't even stay around here.

Um, it it depends. I mean, some of it could be, some of it would be used in Indiana. It could be, you know, I mean, it all goes to the grid, which is in my in our territory is 15 states plus a Providence and Canada, Manitoba. So when we bring something online, some of it's used in Indiana, some of it's not. So it's a good chance none of you stay or help anybody around you. Well, it's hard. I mean, electric bills or anything, right? I mean, That's the bottom line. Yeah. And we don't we don't serve this county as uh at retail ourselves anyway. So the project wouldn't be uh providing power in this community. It would be just the investment of the project itself.

How how would you say it's going to benefit the community? I mean where is it how is it going to benefit me besides devaluing my property? Sure. No, I I I understand that concern completely. Um, so the hope is that with the assessed value that we'll bring to the community, um, I think about it like if you broaden the base, you can lower the rate. Of course, I'm not one of your elected officials here, but I would hope that if there's an increase in assessed value from the battery itself and the panels, then over time, you can see a deescalation in property taxes. And how many years? 10 years, 20 years, 30 years. I'm not even

Well, we never depreciate to zero on these projects. So, you know, it it would get to a certain level and stay there. Um, but I I don't know. I really What's the life expectancy of this? [clears throat] Upwards of 30 years. 30 years. 30 years. Why would all this put on old coal mine ground for $800,000? Why is it I don't understand. We do have some on reclaimed uh coal mine ground. I don't know how much of this is, Jose. Do you know? Not in this project. We have done other projects. Yeah, we've got others that are uh this this particular one's not. So, it's possible. Back to my question, the potential.

You said 14,000 homes at what at like daily. I I guess that's a daily estimate. Yeah. You know, typical usage. In other words, this this this vehicle I mean this this you have this in a building. the battery. All this is in a building. No, they're they're they're structures. They're steel structures. ConXes. Yeah. They're like con Well, but they're different than ConX because they're outside. Yes.

Okay. Well, I I was just concerned that if they're all inside, they don't make any difference what you got. It would be a large potential amount of energy. And I don't care what it is. It I've seen this happen. But if since it's outside in separate areas, this this reduces the spreads it out the amount of potential damage. But this is a lot of you know what kilowatt or what is 14,000. This is this is a lot of electricity. Yes.

Okay. We're gonna if you have a if you have a question, raise your hand so we can call on you. But as far as voltage potential, the the potential with inside one of these enclosures, if you were to open the door and stand there and reach in and try to touch like a connection, it's 1500 volts of direct current. So, so yeah, you don't want somebody like that's why only, you know, trained and professional, you know, on M personnel are allowed to open and access the enclosures, the interior enclosures. Yes. Okay. I have quite a few questions. So, you said your OMA is not actually on site. and yes so the operations and maintenance personnel that's you know

I can speak to that um so um as mentioned we have other projects in the area we have also two projects in right now so the intention is we will have a facility on them facility where all our people is going to be um I mean they will have their offices h between uh both the three projects and we will have h people on site h every time during the that supports [clears throat] to that building and our center that the office for those people is going to be in that middle point between here and they'll be they'll be here daily. They'll be they'll reside in the community. Yeah. They're not coming from abroad. They will be living here locally.

You said you put 80,000 of these units in three years. Have you ever put one in this close proximity to large daycarees, schools? So I'll use the example. So, the West Wing Project in Arizona is directly across the street from a humongous gated community, hundreds of homes, and it's literally like a 100 feet away from like tons of residential homes. Now, they do get a lot more sunlight than us per day. I mean, what is the what's the big benefit of putting one here next to I mean I'm just

one thing I mean I know this question but um for the what the system in Indiana is looking right now I mean when you install solar and vest the best provides capacity I mean it is energy that once the best is charged and it can charge from solar or you can charge from the grid. Once it has charged, it can be used at any time. So it's firm capacity that can be used any any moment in the in the in the day. So [clears throat] in this case for this particular project, you're having solar and you are having the solar and the battery but the battery could be just just a single body in I mean you can have a project just [clears throat] in this case. Um I mean it's not um that this is an area with a huge uh potential on on solar resource is that um the location for the system. I mean in Indiana it makes sense to have a I mean you can have the the location for the battery that can provide that capacity that is

it just seems a small community devaluing our properties there doesn't I mean I leave for work in the dark and I get home in the dark. So, what is the I know I understand the battery storage is necessary for these solar panels to work, but why are we putting all of these solar panels here?

It's a fair question. Um, so so to the to the technical component of your question, what Jose is saying is when the sun ain't shining, the battery kicks in, right? So, but but why [clears throat] why why solar and battery at all? Um, so a more general answer, we do every three years, every utility does a 20-year planning. um kind of scenario. So we look out at the horizon 20 years trying to make a determination on what we should build to [clears throat] meet growing population, meet new businesses, maybe even some of these large uh large load users you've heard about like uh chips manufacturers or data centers. And so we look at the horizon and say, okay, we got to kind of plan for various scenarios. And that takes into growth, but it also takes into cost. And one of the things we did into our most recent planning scenario and it's called an integrated resource plan and we do it every three years on a 20-year outlook. Our most recent one we uh we did two scenarios. One where we kind of look at status quo growth sort of you know dayto-day everything's kind of staying the same. And we looked at one where it's kind of a high load growth of data centers and the others and then we did some requests for proposals on okay what would be kind of the actual cost to serve both scenarios and in that case uh both scenarios for cost and efficiency purposes um and I'll I'll get into that um following this called for solar and battery. Well, why wouldn't it just call for something like gas plant, right? Kind of a smaller footprint. gas is uh a dispatchable uh resource that's base load. Uh well, it's quicker to do uh solar and battery. And so, particularly in scenarios, and again, it called for battery and solar in both scenarios, status quo or high load. Uh but particularly in high load scenarios, uh to get something on the grid quickly um is kind of our best bet. And then you can build gas about three years out because it's about a three-year timeline on some of the equipment, some of the turbines and stuff like that. So, it's really kind of

a do this until that sort of thing. Um, but it it does serve as additional grid stability. So, I hope that helps a little bit. But

and just to just to add I mean um two things as we as we said before we acquired the project once all these sides was selected. So maybe um we cannot give you like all the reasons on the original selection but in general um there are a lot of I mean if you see if you see our our [clears throat] you see that the modules talking just around the about this other now the modules are not just in one side they are like spread the I mean it's like a weird thing with all the space and that's because we need to follow a lot of restrictions so you really need to get a big size so you can get some capacity h together. You need to consider environmental conditions. You need to consider underground conditions. Sometimes you have minings mines below that restrict you to build. I mean there are a lot of restrictions that are considered on these projects and that's the reason that I mean they take two or three years to even develop the the project because you need to perform all those. So since since we are talking about cost and so in this area we have farmers, we have people that have, you know, property is very important. It's hard to even like I'm trying to buy acreage [clears throat] around here and it's almost

impossible. But people who live right around there, they're never going to want to be able to resell their property. I have a business that is right down the road from here. Kid goes to school. What is farmers? I know there's some farmers in this room. If there is a fire and we have to evacuate for undisclosed amount of time. Is that correct?

So, so you know, you wouldn't have to evacuate. So, that's that's a popular misconception. So, again, as I mentioned before, we've done lots of team studies and um there have not that there haven't been evacuations in the past at other uh best providers. Um but again um so the way our systems designed is that it contains it and then usually any if there were a fire which would cause the venting the [clears throat] fire will consume most of the vented off gases. So there's no need to like I said there's literally a large you know several I don't know how many homes residential community right across the street and that's not the only one. That's one example that I that I visited personally. Um and we're not there's [clears throat] no concern about that being an issue. But you did say that this was one a new system that you're putting here.

It incorporates all the same safety features and then some on the last system. So everything that we had in our the last design is in this plus more. But there's only there's only three years of development and testing or or not testing but three years of it being used and with no fires or is it just three years? Three years of the last generation in use. the last generation, but this new generation, how many years has it been deployed out in the fields? So, this is we have multiple sites that are being commissioned currently as we speak. This is one of them. So, how many? Zero that are deployed. So, this is the very first one.

Not the first one. There's going to be multiple. There's some other there's going to be others that will be completed before this project. So, how many on ground operating right now? Not at the moment. Not at the moment. So, we're test you're Well, no. We're doing test. We've done tests. We've done large scale fire tests. Okay? You know, so there's been testing the me the meaning of is Okay, let's go that way. Okay. There's only been there's none been out there. This is going to be the first one. So, we're a test bed. That's how I see it. I mean, there'll be other projects that are installed way before this one, but so,

and I think it's important to clarify. I mean it is true that we are talking about a next generation on the different um scales but it's I mean it's exactly like your like right you will always get a new generation that is incorporating more features from the one before so I mean all the all the previous experience and all the safety records on the previous experience the model is not changing because the ones before had any issue or it's just because they are getting better and incorporated more safety features and in general what this I mean the way the battery technology is evolving in general is trying to decrease the footprint that you need to get more batteries in [clears throat] in a site. So at the end what you are trying to h to do is reduce I mean try trying to reduce the space that is being used to build a battery site. So um I I just want to be um transparent on the fact that even though the technology keeps evolving the is the same technology the same base technology that has been used for other sites that's the reason and we can talk about it later we are also uh programming a visit to our five county facility so you guys can I mean a group can [snorts] see it live and make the questions because is compatible on what's happening [snorts] and it's just I mean it's a new innovation but at the end is the same technology concept um what is going to be in

yeah to Jose's point right so density is is a major factor right so if we can improve uh the density meaning that we can store the same amount of energy in a in a much more condensed or smaller enclosure [snorts] that's what we're aiming for so that it takes up less acreage um so that it's less you So it's not taking up valuable land, right? Um and it's so it's that it's the safety features, it's the roundtrip [clears throat] efficiency, the overall efficiency of the system itself. So there's a multiple reasons why, you know, it's like it's like an automobile, right? You're going to improve it so it goes faster, it's safer, and all those things from every generation. We have a question back here.

Question [clears throat] a few questions. Number one, what what is your definition of a large scale Yes. So, u I wish I had could project it for you. So, a large scale fire test means you have to you have to simulate what it would look like in the field. So, it starts you have you have one of these you'd have an enclosure like this. You'd have another one directly behind it right within inches. You'd have one directly next to it just like you would have it set up in one of these actual projects and then one directly across from it the distance of what the service aisle would be. Right? So you could drive a truck or other equipment through there. Um and then you start you use ceramic heaters in one in one enclosure and you heat up intentionally try to push one of the modules into thermal what we call thermal runaway, right? Where it just you know continues to heat up, you know that exothermic reaction once it starts

a single module, right? And then you study it to see what happens, how it behaves, and see if you if you can get it to force it, right, to spread to other modules, right, within that enclosure. And then you're testing the enclosure to make sure that it [cough] contain or prevent propagation from one, not just from one enclosure to another, but within the same enclosure because there's separate sections with Let me answer another question. You said you had de fragmentation panels, which are blowout panels. Yes. On the roof. Yeah. Uh and they're operating by pressure from inside.

Yep. uh the separating walls and wait a minute before I get to that point. Your plume study is that also based on one battery on fire or the whole container on fire is it can contain one part your plume study and the dissipation of the gases. What's that? What's that? Yeah. So during the large scale fire tests we it's that doing that single enclosure pushing it into thermal runaway and we collect all of the gases from that and then we go back and study it and we've done multiple so like I said we've done multiple large scale fire tests. We've done at least we've done six for the last generation. We've done a couple for this system as well. Human gases off of one battery and then you extract it like that. Multiply by

Yep. And then we also look at so lessons learned from other battery fires that have happened out in like the general world, right? So looking at, you know, stuff that's happened in California and Arizona and stuff like that because that becomes public record matter public record. So we look at those as well even if they're not our systems. Next question. fragmentation panel blow up panel. They operate on pressure when the thing fell. I first of all I worked for American Electric Power for 28 years. Y substation equipment specialist transform breakers batteries. So I know just a little bit about this stuff. So I know what happened when electrical fails. This [clears throat] is going to produce hydrogen fluoride, hydrogen cyanide,

SO2 hydrogen fluoride is three parts per million. PL it's 30 parts per lane [clears throat] and health from what I read lithium ion fire can produce on the fire sides up to 600 parts per lane of lithium chloride or I'm hydrogen all right so that's one so you have the def fragmentation panel lifts off when these things fell and you said the walls between the cubicles I'm just calling will are designed to prevent propagation of the heat [clears throat] are they also designed time for the full pressure of the fault in that cubic.

Yeah. So the inner walls are the same as the outer walls on the enclosure and then each section has its own set of deflation panels on top of it. Right. Now back to the data collection. You said you had you monitor carbon monoxide and hydrogen. Yeah. What about hydrogen chloride and hydrogen?

Yeah. So I don't have the full list here but um but some of the ones you just mentioned. So there are multi- criteria detectors but there are two hydrogen detectors for off gas detection that'll trigger the mechanical exhaust and then there are um six sorry and then there are multiple um multi- sensors in the roof looking for other things like carbon monoxide asking these questions is because I know you've done studies and participation dissipation is dependent on moisture wind yeah emerging layers in the atmosphere um so the school is less than 2 months miles from this installation, which I think is crazy.

I don't care what the studies show. I don't care. I think it's just crazy to put this within two miles of a school, a grade school, high school, two grade school, high school, two day in two day years. Um, it's just crazy. And my last question is, why does this be have to be here? It's a battery. It doesn't care where it's charged from. You can put it here. We have 247 people on site. That's safe. Safe. I don't well we bought it [cough] um from light source BP and so I don't know uh you know I don't know if Jose do you know about their site selection process again I I cannot speak to selection that happened before us so this design was

no I can speak to some I mean what drives site selection general and a lot of that is interconnection requirements and having you know the ability to interconnect to the system And um you agree the battery doesn't have to be there again but in this case you need to interconnect to a system that can supported and once the stories were there this area supports yes the next [clears throat] question. Oh, one more.

Just a minute. You got about a minute. Yeah,

the the gases for this thing uh are hydro hydrogen fluoride. Once it interacts with moisture and rain or whatever kind of moisture, it turns a hydrochloric acid. that will burn your skin. It will ruin turnout gear for firefighters. It takes a CDR and gas mask, chemical, biological, radological, nuclear canister to protect people from it, including firemen, policemen, EMTs, anybody shows up, plus turnout gear, plus CBR suit. I'm just getting that out of the public. You can tell us if it's going to dissipate, but you can't tell us how much accurately because of all the variables.

Right? So, our part of our training for the local first responders [clears throat] is that again, the idea is the enclosure is meant to contain it. It's a sacrificial sarcophagus. Let it consume itself. Water is not going to make a difference in terms of putting out a chemical fire, right? It's going to turn into hydrochloric acid, right? And you so you don't want to add water to it, right? You let it consume itself, right? And then the direction to them is to maintain a minimum safe distance of 150 feet. Part of that is determined because we've purposely exploded a container to figure out what the radius of the debris field would be and it was 75 ft. We doubled that for an overabundance of caution. And there's no reason for them to go in anywhere near it. Right.

One final point. I really cheap dirty math. 20 mph wind 2 miles away 6 minutes for a plume if it's got concentration of gas in it to get to the grade school [clears throat and cough] 40 miles hour is three minutes you cannot evacuate people that fast if the concentration if it is we don't know so that's what I'm getting at you have placed this thing in harm's way up wind from two grade school high school and couple days I [clears throat] want to make sure everybody understands that I have Um, so I don't have it with me, but we do have plume analysis data that we can share. So many variables. Do you use Aloha, the UK software to do that?

I I don't personally know that, so I'd have to go to our principal fire protection. Okay, we need Okay, we need to move on. Somebody else have a question. Paul, yes, go ahead. Assess value thing. I think what you told in was that as your value goes up, your assessment, it will lower our tax rate as you Yeah. as the as the assessed value of the community increases, it presumably can. Now, it doesn't always happen that way. I understand that because either way, it's not what he's asking. He's asking you if you have a million dollar home sitting and you're going to surround the store. It's [clears throat] worth $200,000. Who's going to cover that difference? That's what I think he wants to know. I mean, the way I see it, you guys owe us. Yeah.

You know, everybody else is getting his free money. How, you know, we're the ones getting screwed out of this deal. So, you know, we're there's there's no benefit to me, you or I don't, you know, how's it going to help us? We don't even know if the power is going to stay here for one, you know, the the batteries. Why didn't they put them on the They need to split your 92 batteries up and put them on the people who lease the ground. You guys put it on their ground, you know, or whatever. But you say you did your analysis on on your modules. Did you do it on 92 of them? start them on fire and see what happens.

So, we every module goes through testing like individual testing before it's sent out into the into the wilds, if you will. Um, but you know, we've we have not done like large scale fire tests, you'll have multiple modules going up, but because the systems designed to prevent it from spreading from one to another and it and it succeeds, it does what it's supposed to do. It doesn't it doesn't propagate. In all these that you said you have all over the world, there haven't been one lightning strike in none of these batteries. Oh, there's been lightning strikes near projects or at projects, but we've never, like I said, there's over 80,000 of these enclosures out there globally, worldwide, and we have not had a single fire with that.

When [clears throat] it happens, and it will happen, who's going to be responsible for all cleanup? You know, you say training our fire department. Who's going to pay them? Are you are you kicking in on paying the county, you know, or where's all who's going to pay for all that for their time? Uh, you know, it can go on and on. I don't know. In that case, um, I mean, that's more question for

you know, are you going to write the county a check for so much or you like I said, we're our properties are being devalued. You know, [snorts] my taxes ain't going down. you know, this these solar panels ain't going to bring electric down. Let's face it. You know, look what Centerpoint's doing to everybody. No, they're going to be buying it from you. So, I mean, there it's no benefit to none of us sitting here. It ain't besides the people that that are selling out their farm ground that they had caught gift to them and taking their money sitting on the beach. You know, it just it's sad is what it is. But, you know, like I said, you got thousands of acres of of old coal mine ground you can put this on. And it's, you know, I guess that's that's another topic for another subject. But

I've got some questions here for for you guys. Just seems like you guys don't want to be Why would you lease the ground when you could buy old ground? I think in 30 years, you don't want to have to be attached to this ground in no way, shape, or form if your company's still in business. Am I going to answer? I I don't have I don't have a good one. I don't have a good I'm just I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't have a good one for that. You said it. Yeah. No, no, no. I understand. I don't have a good one on that. I don't know that I um know the right data source to look at, but if you guys have stuff that you want us to see, we're more than glad to um see you guys put solar panels all around. Understood. Yeah. And you're not going to cover any of the

Well, and I and feel free to share with him uh to some of his concerns, which I understand completely. Um so in Pike County for instance when we put the 200 megawatt battery in uh we did of course a lot of training but we also bought him a new fire truck. So to the extent sure no there you can do what you want a new fire truck I don't care wait wait wait right here. Hold on. John has a couple of questions. Yes, he was trying to speak on trying to answer.

Yeah, sorry. [clears throat] I mean to the first responding uh request um as we were saying we when we enter into a community we manage with the community to get the resources that they need to manage uh emergency. So that's a conversation that we are open to have an emergency that you're creating but I mean that we are going to have that that we are going to work with the emergency response groups to to support the resources that you create. So we don't have now we don't need

but we are going but we are going to work to get that to work and as part of this process we need to create an emergency response plan that we are going forward plan. We don't have that problem now. Jose, I think someone has a question. Sorry. Go ahead. Okay. So, I've been talking to a lot of our residents around around this this the town and also outside the town. Um, and they're they they want me to ask one question to you guys. Why do Boy County?

Well, I don't know that we have a perfect answer for that. um you know we we didn't do the initial um project design and leasing. So uh but we as a permanent presence as a company as Indiana over 100 years old u with lots of operations throughout the state um it's always um attractive to us to have projects and investments in our state um you know rather than buy power from out of the state or you know and and we do a little of that but not much. Um, and so I I think we just we try to view these as investments in the communities and I understand there's a debate there fully. Um, and appreciate people's concerns. Um, but I I don't know that I've I've got a great thing to have.

Yeah. And and again, it's repetitive, but I mean we bought the project when the I I cannot speak to the sides uh decisions at that point. I would say that there is a lot of um I mean environmental restrictions um transmission restrictions that at the end limits the places that can be developed for a project of this size. So um yeah the universe of options is is not limitless. So, and you know, we kind of operate, you know, like we said in Pike with sort of coal, gas, battery. Um, and so, you know, we kind of value this part of the state in terms of, uh, where we've had a footprint in the past. And, um, you know, that's probably probably the best I can give you, which is, uh, unsatisfactory.

Well, I think so due to the fact that I think the reason why hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. I think the purpose is because Dubo kind doesn't have any zoning,

right? And it's very simple for you guys to come in here and say we're going to put this after you get your permission from the state level and as long as you're following the federal state and all the ordinances and setbacks, as long as you're following it, you have free reign of this of this county. And that's where I feel at and there's that's what how a lot of us feel. Okay. So that's that's my my answer to your question. Do you know what you just said to me is because there is no ordinance. So the next thing is when you guys do when you purchase this from another company, do you do you actually look at this footprint and go this is a smart place to put these batteries? Do you evaluate everything? Do you look at the schools? Do you look at the airport that I'm a pilot? I flew departure 27 to come out, stayed at 1500 feet AGL. And I was amazed that I was sitting there thinking and I was talking to to to my pilot buddy over there. I said, "What do you think?" He goes, "I'm concerned because we do a lot of training out there and if you get an inexperienced student pilot doing his first solo and he loses an engine and he's departing from 27, guess where he's going to put that bird at? In that solar area. So [snorts] again, I believe in the whatif monster. And if you don't believe in a one monster, you I don't call yourself a human. So there's a lot of aspects to this. Putting it so close to two schools or a school and a daycare in Holland and all those schools over there in Honeyburg, I think it's totally irresponsible. You guys need to I personally think you should have looked at this and went, "This doesn't pass the Common Sense override test." And it doesn't. In my in my mind, it doesn't. So these are some of the questions I had. I've got a a list of them here I I want to give to you guys and I would hope that you can answer these for us and get back with us so [clears throat] we can publish it to the to our community because there there's probably

a thousand people that have signed pretty close to a thousand people I think that has signed a petition saying we don't want you in here and we we're hearing rumors of Ireland now getting a and it's not you that's putting it in there but Ireland's getting a solar area. So, you can't tell me that no zoning in this county is is is I mean that this is the reason why you're here. And if we don't take action as a community and as a county, then we're going to be full of solar panels and I'm going to go find some place in Jamaica, okay? Where there we where I can enjoy my life because I don't want to drive around here and see that stuff at at duff. I mean, it just to me it doesn't it's it's not pleasant for me to be in my Jeep looking at the countryside and seeing solar and the aspect of the what you all say is a safe product. Again, look at the what if. So, um I don't know who I need to hand these to.

Glad to. But we want you guys Yes, sir. Absolutely. Thank you. Randy has a question. Yes. I'm not very good. [clears throat] Green washing requirement. You know the term. So this is uh when you take power off the grid, put in your batteries and then sell it for green energy. Okay. I'm I misunderstood. No, I'm I'm not famili green on the internet. Okay. So I think that's the main reason you got your batteries here because the sun don't shine for three months out of the year.

Yeah. All all you're doing is putting you got the solar panels or where the batter is in the cellar is green energy. Is that correct? We do have a lot of customers that ask us if we can produce green energy for them. Yeah, absolutely. So, and and you know, so you you just got the battery tier and camouflage the batteries or the solar here to camouflage the batteries. Well, it's the we we try to treat the battery as an enhancement to the solar. So when the sun's not out, the battery can take No. Okay. I I get that. But then like these three months, you're not shut your batteries off. The sun's not shining. No, it'll be operating perpetually.

Okay. You're taking, you know, cold energy off the grid, putting in the batteries, and selling as green energy.

Well, the No, no, I see. Oh, okay. I'm I miss now. I follow. Okay. No, no, that's that's not We will the uh the battery will host energy from the solar panels, right? the the battery can be charged from the panels and can be charged from the but I mean at the end is a way is a way that the what what is happening is you are not having you will need an additional um conventional generator to generate that same electricity what [clears throat] we are what you are doing is just having the battery to use it I mean to storage and use it and release it in the moment that I mean if you would not have that battery you will need another generation not renewable to that same energy at that time. So that's not the question I'm asking.

Are you taking coal coal energy off the off the grid and put it in your batteries and then selling it? You are avoiding any other source of generator to work at the time that the battery is released in the air because it's a matter of timing on a well you answer my question. Yeah, I think the simple answer is if possible, but that's not our intention. I mean, the intention is to enhance the solar with the battery, right? You're going to take power off the grid constantly and charge your batteries and resell it green energy.

I I think we just be I mean, we have other winds, we have other solar, we have other renewables projects that we don't I mean, we really don't have to go through that to sell green energy. We can just sell it. We already have it. Um and and this will primarily be drawn from this particular uh these particular panels. So I I understand what you're asking. It's a fair question. Um and the the simple answer is on occasion it will pull off of the grid. Could that be coal? Could that be gas? Could that be Minnesota wind? It could be any because it's a it's a 15 state grid. You know, it's been cloudy here the last you're you're in other words you're going to be using old energy to charge the battery.

Well, we still burn coal. I mean, you know, we powered the the grid with some of that. So I mean Yeah. Can you sell it as green energy then that comes out of this battery? I think but I mean it's not a matter of that the energy is a different rate to the other one. All the energy coming out in batteries that's always green has energy that energy has it doesn't make a difference or not. To some of your customers it does right to some of your customers that matters right

but I mean it's not a matter of for sure there are customers that want sources but renewable energy sources but as we said at the beginning this energy goes to my I mean at the end it's going to be [snorts] uh interconnected system so it's not going to differentiate my my second thing is you had contractors doing surveying and and board drilling and thing. Their safety records awful. They back semiis down the road with nobody there. Got where corn fields on both sides. They put up no signage. You know, their wild is, you know, you tell you they're going to do what they want to.

We're going to take we're going to take about four or five more questions. So, Ollie, um, appreciate you guys being here tonight. Um are the battery storage systems safer at the beginning of their um service life or the end or sorry at the beginning of their life or at the end of their service life?

Yeah, so the the systems designed um like I said potentially up to 30 years. Um the safety features should there should be any issues during the lifetime of the system. This the batteries themselves will gradually there there's a degradation in terms of their storage capacity. So typically what happens but we build that into our models. So we we're able to project and determine you know over the lifetime of the system if it's not like run into the ground meaning like typically the cycle that we like to charge and there and therefore discharge the batteries is typically once a day for most of these types of systems to get [clears throat] the optimal use out of it. Um and so they'll gradually

work in cloudy Indiana I just want to understand. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, yeah. So anyway, with regards to batteries, they will gradually in terms of their capacity, just like, you know, like a battery you'd have in your phone, it's going to eventually wear out. And what we do is we work with the um with the owner operator to augment the system so we can actually like add some either replace some of the modules or add like a a chunk to like the existing best to make up for that lost capacity, if you will, right? To augment it. Um sorry,

sorry, just just to um in the In the particular case of this project, the project is designed I mean the project that is being built is the project to stay for um and the actual duration for this project is 20 years and the battery [clears throat] has been size. So considering that degradation that it lasts those 20 years that's what is being built on this um on this side regarding the cycling in general the I mean the usual way that this will operate is that the battery operates once a day I mean cycles once a day yeah it will happen that I mean if it if it is fully charged and the system needs maybe can twice a day but usually don't don't exist that I in a in a year the average should be once a day.

Okay. Um so are we stressing from everything I've learned tonight it seems like we're going to be stressing this system um differently than we would in a system in California or Arizona or Colorado where it's sunny all the time. Is that a fair and with that we it sounds like we may have to replace some of those battery modules [clears throat] more often. So, so no actually so um so the batteries aren't aren't going to be affected by the amount of sunlight or whatever. It's just how much power is put into being. Yeah.

Right. So, yeah, actually it'll be less stress. I mean, there's it it's just depends, right? So, you've got a state of charge in in the battery, right? From think of it like your gas tank, right, in your car, it goes from basically 0 to 100. And so, um as power comes from the solar array and feeds into the batteries, it'll fill it up like a gas tank, right? The stored energy. And then you know at any point right the operator whoever's managing the system can choose to start to discharge that power out to the grid and they can take it all the way from like 100% state of charge all the way down well not quite to zero because you don't want to break the system right there's always some energy but at a certain point it will fold back or dere meaning that the system protections in there will prevent it from either over dis overcharging or overd discharging right so always stay within that you know like 3% to 100%. Um so it can never be overcharged and never be you know undercharged.

And to your question it would not be more stressed. Maybe the cycle will happen at different times. What will happen on a different but it will not be like more stressed right a single cycle a day is optimal for the performance and the lifetime of the system. It's when you have operators that want to charge and discharge a system. drive it all the way up to 100% and drive it down and then drive it back up multiple times in the same day. That's what you know when you charge or discharge the batteries, it generates heat and that's what will help degrade the system faster. [clears throat] But if you do it on that regular cycle like Joanna and I were talking about, it's it's very low.

And that's what [clears throat] I heard from the state of Indiana report on this and you guys all publish that that's um that that's when federal runaway events happen when these things are being used um irregularly when they're overcharged under charge to your point. Um so I think that's why we have a lot of concern with this. Um I I understand that um there may have not been uh issues with some of these but um I I just asked for transparency with this. You got Fluence is a Moss Landing. You guys had those are your batteries. Um so I've heard from you guys that this is a different system than what was it PW?

Very different. Yeah, that was not a system. That was a different battery technology. That was nickel magnum nickel magnes uh cobalt which is NFC. That's typically the type of batteries you find in your phone or your automobile and they're far more prone to thermal. I said we hear that a different system that's what's going to be here too. So it's just a lot. Oh yeah. So the techn sorry so yeah Pike County is the same technology as far as the battery modules themselves. Okay. Right. It it's lithium phosphate or LFP technology. You mentioned Moss Landing. That was NMC technology which is a different you know than lithium phosphate. [clears throat] That one's much more prone to thermal runway or lithium ion first or the second I'm sorry

the first mod or the second uh that was the same technology in both cases but that's but that's a different technology than we're talking about here. Yeah. And that was a brick and mortar structure. It was like a large building and not a container system either. There have just been a lot of fires um that have flown in AES's name and then there have been some out in Arizona and again I think we just want to make sure that we have all of the information and we understand what's being put in our backyards. [clears throat] Um I I've got I could talk to you guys all day about this stuff. It's uh

there there's a lot going on. Um I hear they said working on gas [laughter] and and nuclears and things like that. So you said you know maybe three years that other infrastructure will be here. So what's the potential of this being being abandoned? Um and I'm coming from the perspective of um I sit in that guy's buddy's seat and it goes adjacent to this property line and um you know if alarm goes off you know what does what does that mean? And um you know over time if it's you know three years from now when you guys are kind of done with this project or in 30 years from now um we we want to understand the risk to our community um and treat it very seriously. So yeah that's a loaded question. I think it's just that way.

No it's a fair fair question. Um so um [clears throat] I mean we we need the power, we need the solar, the battery, we need all the above. So there's no incentive for us to abandon it because then we just have to make that up somewhere else uh in in terms of the megawatts uh because we're you know again even in our low growth status quo state of Indiana scenario it's still calling for a little bit more so a little bit more solar a little bit more battery um and then of course more so of the of those two things in a high growth scenario with data centers and other things. So there's, you know, I mean, we need it. And so there's not a ton of incentive for us to to abandon it. But even if, you know, for whatever reason, uh, there's decommissioning bonds, right? And we've got, uh, we've got bonds on road work and some of these other things that, um, you know, we'll pay out should we, you know, I guess something go wrong. But, um, but we're, you know, we're pretty stable financially. I mean, again, been over 100 years old and, um, you know, we we've got a pretty good regulatory environment for that type of industry we're in. So, um, we we've been pretty steady. Um, and so, um, I I know that's, uh, doesn't really allay the fears, you know, oh, the books are good. Great. Thanks. Uh, but, uh, we don't have the incentive to cut this short.

Um, I I'll leave with with this, and it's a it's a repeat. Um, you know, this is an isolated project. It's a threat to our emergency services. Um, aircraft overlay district, the schools of invention. Um, they're over uh, Gota get my numbers right here. Um, we've got over 120 homes within the mile and a half of this. Um, natural resources, you got foot Creek right next to it. Um, why why is this battery going here?

Um, zoning of course is a consideration when we choose a project. Absolutely. Um, and there's something like um, oh, it's a [clears throat] it varies, but I've heard as many as 40 to 50. I've heard a number like 72, but I don't have the latest uh, of counties that have banned wind solar batteries. So, you know, the the universe of options is not limitless in terms of where we can where we can go. Um, and our our own sites, like for instance, at uh the within the plant itself, you start to run into um limits on what we own and other surrounding areas. So, you know, I I get your point. Um, and it's it's a it's a part of that decision-making process, the zoning as that is, uh, to the councilman's point, your question, uh, like a number of things. Um and we'll go through those environmental studies. We have to do those kinds of things for like wetlands and you know endangered species and things like that. And so we'll we'll have to um you know go through those kinds of assessments. But um it's it's a fair point.

Okay. U ring for 150 years. So we have a speed. But you guys chose to put this in some of the best farm ground in the world. The national average is about 180. We have a 90 acre field at the end of this that made 287 this year. Heat during pollination on corn is critical. We're on the east end of it. All that's going to be blowing through that valley and we have several hundred acres at the end of that. What's going to happen when that screws our pollination up? Senator Schmidt knows heat during pollination is critical. Is that ground going to be worthless if it's I mean it's going to raise the heat. You guys have thousand acres of panels at that valley. We're at the end of it. It's the best ground. I can't believe you guys are sticking panels on it. And this battery thing that I can't even believe this is a conversation with the schools. You need to put that somewhere away from here if it's possible. I didn't even know it was possible in the night. So now I can't even believe it's a consideration. Put it where you're going to put it.

And I live within 7,000 ft of that. Forget about me. Think about the school, right? That's a joke. I can't believe you guys as a company can even consider that. My grandkids will go to that school. I have kids going to that school now. Somebody will have kids going to that school. This shouldn't even be consideration and it shouldn't even be talked about. That's all I got. Well, hopefully your grandkids could farm your land, too. But we have one

like with the the schools, how are you how are they going to get these kids out? Like Honeyburg Elementary has 10,000 students. Then you have the middle school, then you have the high school, and then you have Holland Elementary. I have three kids. I did have four in the school corporation. You tell me how you're going to get them out safely. [cough] Something happens to them because my property value is already going down. My homeowners insurance is probably going to go up. I will not be able to ever sell my house with these solar panels. So, and then there was a person down the road that they wanted to sell their house and the realtor told them I would just give it to the solar company because you're not going to sell. So, you tell me how they we don't have enough buses and our buses are doing two routes in the morning and in the evening because we don't have enough drivers and enough buses to take these kids. So, how are these kids going to get out in time?

And I understand you guys, this is your job. I I understand this is uh I think we all do. We We get You're here. It's your job. It's your way of making money. But these are questions we want the company to answer because this is this is our home. This is our community. And what happens in 2027 when you there's no subsidies anymore from the government?

Uh fair question. Um, we, you know, I I'll tackle let Jose tack on. I don't have great answers for a lot of your questions. I think we made that. We don't have uh we we [clears throat] have imperfect information, imperfect answers. Um, and we thank you for your patience with us on that number. Um, as far as the the tax credits go, um, we and other developers would probably still be doing this kind of thing. It's it's gotten to the point on panels in particular where they're manufactured at scale that they're you know it's pretty costefficient to do it without some of those things. I I'm not an accountant. I don't I don't know the exact uh numbers and and losses in terms of those expiring tax credits, but I think we'd still be in this business um because we kind of [laughter] have said we want to be all the above kind of every source of energy and have customers that want us to be too. So um that's uh anything to add there?

Yeah. Um I want to I I want to emphasize I completely get the um [clears throat] we have been trying to to show that um we are following what the industry is following and all these we are considering all that as part of I mean we are doing what we discuss about other projects having really close to each So I think the best we can do at this stage is work in a um emergency resp. And I think we can that's how

you're not going to get out you're not going to take 3,000 kids out of a school in time. But I mean

I I think that's a [clears throat] discussion that we we will need to follow up. Again I I I first of all I I think we have showed that the industry is evolving to that situation. We agree um like um low risk situation but even in that scenario we we are willing to work with the community in emergency response. So I think that's the key right now and I mean we're willing to do so um and we are willing to work with you guys through h through the project until we get to operations in order to find and to provide the community with the best resources that we can in terms of management and I think we are being really trying [clears throat] to build a better communication and I hope that works for the future we will work on getting better answers I think something that we have offered and we need to um I think it will be good that we can have a group of you guys going to our county facility see I mean see

will that be exactly what will be put here it won't be as as we said it won't be exactly but it will be as you are seeing an iPhone and an iPhone 16 I mean because you you are getting something in a new generation better so at the end um how do you guys know it's better

because they is incorporating all the same features and adding additional features. So for safety and for test so we [clears throat] and that's what we that's what we can offer at this point and show. So that's what we want. I mean we I think as is one of the facilities that actually has built in and is able to show you a facility that you guys can go and visit. So I think that's something that I at this point we we can do at least and see [clears throat] in real life how that looks and to follow up on the plume analysis with the gases to your point on the evacuation and you know what's the what's the real

ideally there shouldn't be there an evacuation shouldn't be necessary the word shouldn't the monster what if that's where we're at we're going to take one more question here no Charlotte's been waiting Dicky Vicki, hold on. Hang on. Hang on. I have two questions. So, what if your nonpropagation system fails? Are we then in an evacuation? So, the why why are we sorry, loaded question. Yeah. Why are we seeing evacu chances of evacuation than if you're saying it's not going to happen?

So, this some of the evacuations that I've seen in the news were completely unnecessary and it was an overreaction to, you know, the situation that happened. They you have people that basically decided because they thought it was a state of emergency through disinformation, they evacuated an area like let's say a mile radius and they didn't have to do it in those situations. The propagation, the non-propagation prevents the fire from spreading so that it shouldn't turn into like a big huge conflration, right? And then like I said, um the off gases that would be vented from the batteries if there were a thermal runaway would in most cases be burnt off by the fire before they even escaped. So, It shouldn't catch any more on fire. Say, say it does. Say that whole container catches fire. And I know you're saying we need to keep a radius,

but if one of those catches fire they supposed to [clears throat] stay 150 ft away. Yeah. There there's no need to approach it. So the re Yeah. The reason that we don't want anybody getting within 150 ft is um if something were to go wrong, like I said, we've intentionally exploded one of these things and the debris radius and the shrapnel was 75 ft. Now, we've never encountered that with any of our systems. Um but in a worst case scenario, if that were to happen, that's why we don't want anybody getting hitting within 150 ft. And then there's a 24-hour wait period. And we we have all kinds of like steps, procedures that need to be followed. Have you tested if that whole thing goes on fire though? You say it does.

We've done multiple tests with each system to prove that the fire would not propagate because we haven't had a fire outside. But when I when I say we do a large scale fire test, we're not talking, oh, this is like No, we're talking like these huge containers. They're surrounded by giant walls. They've got thermalouples through the whole thing. They've got IR thermography. They've got a giant, you know, like millionoll hood over collecting the gases. Like I wish I had the presentation here. I could show you what it looks like, but we can we can follow up. We can actually show you what these [clears throat] large scale fire tests look like. And everything goes through UL 954A testing as well. Right down to the battery.

Is that an airplane? If an airplane or a what? I don't know what that term is. Say an airplane hits it, what happens? Well, it's pretty it's pretty close into the That probably a totally different animal. Okay. What he's talking about, he's talking about how these batteries react, right?

Okay. This is if we lose an engine and we put it into the solar field. Okay. [snorts] There's going to be damage there. We have to worry about that kind of dam. I don't I don't know what that aspect is, but if we was we I shouldn't say we. If for some reason somebody would put one into the the best system, there's going to be a problem because there's fuel, there's oils, you don't know what it's going to damage to these. And that's that's where that that concern is for the aviation community because you guys I mean if you look at I can show you charts are ARNAB to nine and departure 27 is right over the top of you guys, right?

And that's a concern. Yeah, obviously this tonight, but that where you guys are putting it, there's been multiple tornado hops. They like to hop those hills. Um, it's happened multiple times in my lifetime that I can remember. Um, like being able to drive a car. It's happened multiple times. So, I'd like you guys to follow up on that, too. If they're talking or heavy winds or we like to wrap up. We're gonna we're gonna wrap this up now. And if you guys stay around for a few minutes, if somebody has something to say, I think we suggest almost all of the concerns that they can answer

right now. U but any information that we are requested by anybody in here that you need copies of comes in here. We'll make sure everybody gets whatever they need. So you just have to request it and we'll make sure you get copies of everything that we have. Okay. Okay. Great. All right, we're going to move on to the miscellaneous here. Thanks for coming down. Yes, thanks for uh the SSA4 meeting. Uh we're going to have another one on December the 10th. Also, Trent, where you at? Trent.

Trent. Trent, pay attention. Try it. I did have somebody approach me that the Iowa Street and Seventh Street Light is out. I don't know if you have it pinned. The Iowa and Seventh Street Light is out. Just I don't know if you have it pinned. If you have pinned it, that's fine. Not make sure. I think I texted Yeah, you're supposed to get an app, right? Yeah. There's lights that's been out for three or four months. We don't know. Have you seen Have you seen the light corner of Mariest intersection in town?

Yeah, some of them you drive by and they're burning and then they go out on. Anyway, if any of you guys that are leaving have questions, please let us know and we'll make sure you get the information and we'll run it [snorts] through here. Um, when was that meeting? on the 10th, December the 10th. I'll have to look. I think it's at 2:30. 2:30.

Uh we we are looking for an April 2026 final report. We're getting close to that. Um also, uh we have a resolution here. I think we have a copy of it and I think Taylor's gotten a copy of it. The resolution for the town of Holland declaring public safety threat and would like the two boys county commissioners to look into um zoning.

I think just I just wanted to bring it up so it's here. Okay. Uh what else? I think that's all I have on miscellaneous radio. You have something. No, I think they just wanted to get No, you have anything, Kayla? Scott, Katrina, you guys. Okay. Does anybody else have any miscellaneous questions before we go? What?

I have a comment. Going back to the community building that you talked about earlier, the donation from a I'm Amy Kim Brock, county clerk, but I made me think about an election point. Every year from the election board, we have conversations of where we should be voting and where we should not be voting, where we can save money. Uh, and Holland always comes up because it's in a church, right? So, we always are constantly having that conversation. So if you had another building that would really secure voting in Holland, we've done the research and the numbers per capita Holland has the biggest turnout

uh for the population in the area and even with votes when we went to vote centers a couple years ago, it even helped even more. So I don't think that it's going away, but that would certainly solve some of the conversations and it's all on one floor. voting in a church is something that they always constantly want to get away from. So, just a tidbit as you look [clears throat] at other opportunities and ways to use that building. Yeah. How it benefits your community. [snorts] It would benefit. Good point. Yeah. Thank you for letting me share. Anybody have any other comments in miscellaneous? [clears throat] The fee for $5. We went through that before. Yes,

we we'll have to be that% Yes, 100%. Sure. Uh the upstairs is strictly storage [clears throat] with the stairways, but the rest of it is 100%. It's got double doors on this side, a single door on his side. So, yes, it'll all be on one floor. Okay. I would entertain a motion to adjurnn. I'll make that motion. I second. All in favor? I was a busy night. It has to be ADA. Yes, [laughter] it is. It is. I was just asking about that.