City Council - Regular Meeting

So on that future citizen recognition

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Okay. Thank you everybody. Welcome to our city council work meeting for Wednesday the 12th. Just by way of know we are no longer as of tonight doing Facebook live. It's just been it's been shutting down after just a few minutes. So rather than try to play with it, we will still do live, but that will be on YouTube from here on out. But the link on Facebook, that's just been too complicated just to dropping it every so rather than try to start it just looks more suspicious if we start and then it drops. So they're just going to run YouTube live at that point, which honestly is what most cities are doing right now. So just by way of information, that's starting tonight. Um we'll jump right in. Uh 1.1 review of this evening's agenda. I will say yeah 2.2 has been removed from the agenda.

Marilyn I have a hard stop at nine. So if we go farther then I believe. Okay. The only I'm not on the heat so we'll be tired. I have a heard stop at seven. [laughter] this down. [laughter] I'll see you in the next. [laughter] What was the other item that we did? Did it get pulled before the agenda? It was the uh No, 2.2 is

We're pulling 2.2. There was another one. It was the uh Um, we have something else. So, we might pulled it before then. Okay. I don't see it on here. So, I was I do think it's worth maybe you and I giving a brief overview on discussions we've had about the visit in general. We don't necessarily need I'm here to give the presentation on what they're applying for, but we've had a couple meetings throughout the year that we haven't really reported back on. There hasn't been a whole lot, but Okay. Yeah. Okay.

That could be done during either council reports or Yeah. Okay. We'll do it during your report then I guess during the general.

Okay, that was removed at the request of the developer. Okay, [clears throat] future agenda items reling more to agendas, but I know that you've probably gotten at least a couple calls. Um, I've gotten several emails and in each one each of the residents saying, "We know that you're working on it, but I want to add my voice to it. We need to have an item to discuss the extra space storage and the impact that it's having on the neighborhood there at the MDA that we put in place with good intentions to help protect them. It [clears throat] just sounds like it's not exactly what we thought it was or what the residents thought it was. I think we need to talk about what we can reasonably do to help them.

Yeah, I agree. And if it's possible, [clears throat] I'd love to have see that in December just simply because that'll be my last council meeting and I was definitely part of those negotiations and and working with that. I just wanted to have another Yeah, this I mean that's part of the issue is this started years ago. Yeah, I think you and I are the only ones that were here starting to finish. I think our final approval was only a couple years ago, but it started well before that. Yeah. And just viewing the pictures and seeing that. Yeah. I definitely don't think that's anything at all what we envisioned when when that approval was made. So, we're talking the crash gate, right? I've heard crash gate mainly.

Well, I mean, so expectations that at least I feel we gave was that there would be no access to the neighborhood. Um, and then we would mitigate the effects that it would have on them from the building size and lights and I mean all the normal things. Um, so I'm not saying that I'm looking for us to have a solution in the next meeting, but I think it's reasonable for us to have a discussion about the key points and possible solutions that go from there. Absolutely. Yeah, it was certainly not going to when I saw the pictures I was like, yeah, this is not

Well, I mean, contracts are one thing, right? If we can't hold the developer or somebody accountable to what's not in the I've said this before, all that matters is what's in writing. But I think there's a different level where I feel that we as the city gave a certain expectation. So I think we need to look at what we can do in ours. Yeah. Okay. Teddy, you're good with your coming back.

Yeah. Yeah. So, we had a a resident talk about some auxiliary dwelling units and it's been on the it's been planned up for the agenda in December. So, more information on that staff been working on it. And so, for public record, I she's emailed I forward some stuff over to city management. We got a direction on that. So, nothing fast obviously, but we know the state's going to do something too in January or February, I guess. So, okay. Okay. 1.3 council discussion of future citizen recognitions. You want to do that one. That was doc. I can bring that as a presentation. Okay.

Please. Yeah. Okay. I'll put it under presentation. Okay. Then I do have a nomination and we did get one here for it says Herman athletes represent team USA in Germany. Four local martial artists from team justice martial arts and hermen are representing team USA this week at the WKU World Kickboxing and karate championship in Germany. That's I don't know if this came through. We'll have to check and see if that's done. And then can you follow up and invite them in and find out how they did? We can invite them in. I like it.

No. Okay. Anything else in council? Okay. We'll move to 2.1 uh 2025 Black Ridge Reservoir [clears throat] Review. Wendy, we're gonna turn it over to Lauren. To Lauren. Welcome, Lauren. Thank you. How do I work that? Bring it over. There you go. Perfect.

All right. Well, if you didn't know where Blackidge Reservoir is, now you do. So, that's what we're discussing tonight. just an overview of how this season went. So in 2024 um we implemented the parking program in the parking lot. So you can see we we continued that into two 2025. Um not much more to say about that but other than the numbers

just as a reminder that's only on weekends and holidays. Um So the parking program is in effect. So we didn't miss any holidays this year. So that's um in 2024 we changed the resident parking program in the neighborhood. Um so this is great to see that [cough and clears throat] the increased number of permits being issued are continuing to go up. So, um, pretty happy about that. And then we continued the pavilion rental program that we implemented last year. Um, we had a few less rentals um, in 2025. Three of those were cancel, sorry, there would have been nine, but three cancellations due to the closures that we had in August. Why do you think there was a decrease in the amount from 14 to 9?

I don't have an answer for that. We kind of do you think it's the due the parking didn't we limit some how many parking passes? There is a limit. There's no limit and stuff. So that maybe that impacted a little bit and we we did increase the pavilion rental quite a bit. Yeah. Um that's right. So I remember we made some changes but that's with the two. Huh.

Yeah. They got less parking spaces than they had payload for. Yes. These were the HPD calls for service in the Black Ridge permit area. And if you have questions about that, I'm sure Chief Park can answer them. That pretty low call for service in that area this year. Yeah, this year was much calmer than it has been in the past. Yeah, traffic that's huge to see that down there. That's good. Yeah, and I would expect that seeing the other numbers decreasing like they did. So, I'm assuming the animal calls were dogs off leash. It's usually dogs on the beach. Dogs on the beach. People bring their dogs to play on the beach.

Again, these are the tickets issued. That's impressive. Much calmer picture. This is painting. Yeah, it really is. Um, these were our staffing costs. And 23 is going to look just a little bit skewed because we didn't have our Blackidge costs split out into their into their own budget and department. So, we've done that in 24 and 25, but our but our police department was up in 2025, right? We saw a little bit of an increase in that. Why?

Yeah. My guess would be that previous years we probably were closed for holidays or something because we're we're only up there on the busy weekends, right? Dedicated up there. Yeah. And it's going to just depend on um when the holidays fall on like a Friday, we might have them up there on Friday, Saturday, Sunday instead of just Were we allocating the time properly in the skills? Yeah. Uh yeah, for that 24 had longer closures for algae. Oh, that's true. We had a lot more closures in 24 actually than we did last year. That's true. 23 was really long, wasn't it? The algae we didn't have any closures.

There were 24 um 24. No, for the algae. For the algae, it's not super significant. I just went up a little bit. It just was funny because all the other stats came down and [laughter] the cost went up a little That's interesting to me. More years. Yeah. Yeah. And and officers are making more money and it's time and a half when they go up there. Okay. [clears throat] Are we stacking up with overtime? You're saying people are getting paid too much. Is that they're getting paid just the right amount? The record. [clears throat]

But that said, sorry, say it out loud for that. I mean whether it's time and a half. Yeah. Whether it's them or or any other city with that stuff especially weekends and holidays and the goal is to prevent the people that are due to the rest of the city from having to respond there. Right. That's the that's the ultimate goal. Service. Yeah. Yeah. So that we don't have the five max we have the sergeant for you know if they're up there the rest of the city's not

treat more like an event rather than Right. Yeah. So yeah, just a review of our closure dates because August was was significant with the algae bloom. Um that covered over two two weekends and five paid days for the parking. Um and then just a few days for the HPD investigation up there. And then we did have another algae bloom closure, but it that was after our paid parking program season ended. So it didn't affect our revenue at that time. Um, we put out a survey to the residents up the neighborhood up at Wacidge, so it went out to 120 people. Um, I don't know if that's households or people. Um, but we got 10 responses and nine out of the 10 rated that this year's operation was either good or very good compared to past years. So, that was exciting to hear. Um, the ones that wanted to respond did, these were some of their comments. Um, so I think they're appreciating what is being done up there.

Even on the group me and stuff, I didn't see blister was good. There wasn't a lot of complaints or anything like that. A few issues here and there, but significantly less problems. Yes. And this was some of their comments of things that they feel we could adjust or improve on. So the biggest I think response in there was just traffic and speeding still on the rest.

We looked at speeding at 24. I pulled those numbers from Bill. It was a winter survey. So it wasn't super helpful for us. But typically it's 28 on Ashland. Um the average so I have it scheduled for a count this summer during the season to make sure we're getting the right numbers on it. and we'll look at enforcement up there. Most of the summer we have our trailers up there um that speed advisory trailers. So I think it's hard too perception wise. It is. You feel like people are going a lot faster than they are. And the reports are like oh they're doing 50 or 60 you know that's a physics doesn't really allow [clears throat] that but uh

yeah I think it's the same complaint we get everywhere in the city. Right.

Yeah. That's the most complaints I get are about people going too fast. That's all that I have. If you guys have any questions or want to make any changes to 2026? No, just clarify. It was interesting the numbers. We do subsidize it a little bit. You know, our parking doesn't cover all the expense to operate it, but less than four. So, that was a great change. And um we are not paying any extra and I assume well I talked to Nathan today about that. I just wanted to make sure because in the past we talked about adding additional treatment to the waters that it helped with the swimming and we opted [clears throat] several years ago not to do that anymore. So the cost to treating the water is not anything different whether they play in it or not because it's just treated as a secondary water system.

Yeah. The only reason it's increased is because of our water use may have increased because it's based on how much water we put in the reservoir. So, it's going to fluctuate a little bit, but the rate in which we eject it essentially has stayed the same. We would do that regardless because it's a secondary system. No, I think that was a great change. Overall, it seemed like it was a lot quieter problems that, but not as many big problems. I'm assuming on the parking, the paid parking is part of it, but we also increased the the fine, right? If you go back to the slide with the you don't have to go back there, but with the sign, we increased it to a reasonable amount that would be a deterrent. I imagine that

for the parking tickets. Yeah. And we um I'm planning to give uh council an idea in the maybe the first or second quarter of 2026 on the new parking program through the civil process so that you can kind of see how that stacked up to work. And that will tie a lot to this. Perfect. Yeah. So our total revenue of 50,000 or sorry cost of 50,000 that encompasses every aspect of police response parking. Y

all. Okay. And then I don't know about how the park stuff is broken out, but our just our Blackidge budget with staffing is about 59,000 approximately 59700 um for this season with staffing, but I don't know if that includes I know it includes supplies, but I'm not sure about park utilities and that. No, that those are being covered in the parks department. Yeah. So that brings up an O andM question on the park playing equipment. That other structure up there. What does that look like? The playground. Yeah, it's in parts, I'm sure. But yeah, [clears throat]

20 years of life usually infrastructure and they've replaced several components of that over the last couple years. They cost far more than they used to. I know. And eventually, I mean, just like the other playgrounds that we're replacing, you just can't get supplies anymore. They just quit making the supplies. So, eventually, all of our playgrounds will go through that process. I guess then you just have to make a decision how they're going to take it out or what? Yeah. Any changes we'd like to make? Yeah,

there's always the question of do we need it? Is it amenity or is it something else? So, that's always a question for [clears throat and cough] um especially with what happened this year. It's not that it's super hard to prevent without the proper equipment utilizing that, but um I think we always need to be looking at it for sure and seeing what changes we should make or what you have to do.

I think we we all obviously acknowledge the drowning. That was tragic. It's super tragic to lose a life there. I know um I have some family that are lifeguards and in a lake that's dirty. Somebody goes under the water, even if you have a professional lifeguard there, they have a really good time finding them. So it's it's it's that's why it's swim at your own risk is because there are dangers associated with swimming in that type of water those type of circum circumstances. I don't know what changes are available if we wanted to request that. If we have an unknown swimming, if we have a a fishing or a small waiting area or a small area segregated for paddle boards or something closer to shore or it's not out there like a buoy system or something. I don't know what that looks like, but

I would be opposed to looking at some of those options. That sounds like a second to my standing motion. Yeah, exactly. [laughter] And I'm probably not that far away from that question. Dangerous.

The the hardest thing about it going back to at least my very first like big issue I was involved with in my first year in 2016 was this and I think that remains this the same, right? The biggest issue there is that people treat it like it's a swimming pool. It's an open body of water with all of the dangers that come with it being an open body of water. And just with with all the improvements, it makes it seem like that. A lot of the feedback we got even in that survey is we we want you to we've had that suggestion a million times. The city needs to put lifeguards there. It's not a swimming pool, right? Um so I I'll always maintain that I don't think we should allow swimming. There's a way to use the the park to use the beach and whatnot. I've drawn pictures before, right? Put a buoy a line across, right? Says, you know, no one, right? You can wade in this area, but no swimming, etc. Beyond that, you can't stop people from doing the dumb from doing dumb things and see but at least putting that there at the very least I think that we should increase signage not just swim at your own risk but this is an open body of water right there are the water is not treated there are known contaminants I mean how

have you heard changes in that kind of way however we want to word those things that there are really long signs up Nobody is wearing a life jacket and personal responsibility, right? I mean, and that that that's hard because it's this perception that because it's such an improved amenity that it's hard for the it seems like it's common sense, but it it it's hard for the public to distinguish right where where is the line of responsibility. And some days that water smooth is smooth and it's perfect and then the lake picks up. I I can't I can't imagine

temperature changing it really changes your body as you move out into deeper water. So that that [clears throat] would be my only suggestion is maybe think about signage and messaging on the signage and how how many of them that we have or what would a buoy system look like or something across there at a certain depth or certain distance or we can I mean I mean you look at it the challenge is we don't have anybody up there enforcing it. So I don't know how you put it up and then they just ignore it. Um, and then they're mad because you don't enforce your rules. [laughter] I think but for me doing that at least

it gives a heightened awareness to people who otherwise would think about it. Oh, they're not supposed to swim. You're not supposed to go past there. We have staff get a price on it and just budget to everybody. See what and we have time. So that's what's nice about this. just a a suggestion at the very least to try to help people with what should be common sense. No, I agree. I agree for years. Okay, Nathan, just look at the price and we can that'll probably determine a lot of what we can do, too. Have you gotten feedback um when you increase the price of the pavilion rental? Cuz is that $200 for the rental? Then

it's 300 for residents and 400 for non-residents. That's [clears throat] really steep. Is that does that cover cost or is that up above and beyond? Um most of that was to cover the parking stalls that that comes with for the day because you're taking we take and reserve that 10. Um and then yeah, some of it was because we were doing half day rentals um beforehand for less money. I think it was $50 for half day rentals. Um, so we make these full day rentals only and only on weekends, holidays. And then if it's not rented, you can use them just first come, first serve. I mean, it's far more than like renting a pavilion anywhere in the county, right?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And even in our city, right? We're the only open beach water in the county. Again, you're the biggest part of that is the parking stall. Oh, yeah. Daybreak would be the other. Yeah. Daybreak said no water contact. Yeah. does not allow you to swim at all even at that beach anymore. They used to be able to wade [clears throat] years ago and I don't know if that's still true. It's no water contact. Yeah, they I knew they opened it for the triathlon, but it's open for paddle boards and kayaks. If you have a pumpkin, giant pump

and a lot of that was to kind of maintain some mortar with it, right? It's a it's a big body of water. Let's look at buoy system just price it out the first of the year. So let me ask you this. You're talking about a buoy system restrict swimming to just certain parts of what about paddle boarding canoeing kaying board sports because that was actually the issue wasn't swimming. That's true. I mean, you can I would rather see big signs about wear a life jacket and maybe I don't know about liability, but like um like like a place where people could have life jackets that people could pick up.

You know, there is that there is a group that actually does life jackets and stuff. They were one of our farmers markets. I can't remember what they're called, but um they're about swimmer safety. I just don't know what having had boat launches with those. The only challenge is they they start to wear. You're you're if it's a volunteer group, you're having to call them constantly. Hey, these these vest won't work or they're torn or damaged or people steal them to confirm. Open it up. It just feels like the more we offer like that, the more liability we take on to it just feels like the more resources we provide. Swim at your own risk or no swimming, one of the two. But I think that we should just keep ourselves out of the

I wonder if it's a push notification on the parking app too if we could do that. Anybody that parks gets a push notification that says, "Uh, here's are the risks. Please." The com the complexity of the enforcement for that whole process that you're describing becomes the dog and leash conversation, right? Either you do or you don't. And if we're we would be up there a lot because if you let them into the water, they'll be all the way under the water. Yeah. And if you don't let them into the water, it's much easier to enforce that. So, I think it's really the goal of this

body to determine what you want out of that. To be clear, what my suggestion is at very minimum increase signage awareness warning open body of water. I risks of risks of entering this water. This is not the sign. We have some other signs we posted. There's some good signs up there. The the bigger one would be that kind of the buoy line.

My my suggestion would be no access past this point, right? Because if you allow something, you're allowing everything. You can't really say no swimming, but you can paddle board. Well, you're going to fall off. I fell off my paddle board. And how do you enforce it? And it's just or it's either, you know, past no entry p right, you can't go past this point, right? I will say that day's been successful in letting them use vessels, which is paddle board or anything else without a whole lot of water contact that I've seen. Do they have a do they have a guy walking around. They have a private security company that manages everything. It's limited to their res and it's limited to residents, right? And lake hosts, HOA has hired lake hosts to monitor.

That's not open to the public. Are you thinking like 25 ft out or 30t out something? Well, the argument has always been we've improved it, right? We don't be wasting money. [clears throat] My counterpoint is you can still go there with your family and enjoy the beach and splash around right to knee height or or whatever, but once you go beyond that, then you have all the risks that we've seen. And it's it is at your own risk and common sense, but people don't have common sense in a lot of situations. And there is a blurred line with this because it's an enhanced amenity. You're not rolling up to the county pool.

Yeah. to to a lake and that's and that's all it is is a lake, right? We've we've improved it to be a great amenity, but it's hard for people to distinguish between that and it being a pool that's monitored. So, such as lakes and stuff, I've seen it where they rope off a swimming area so motorboats and other vehicles don't come into that space. I don't know.

I mean, people go to Jordanell. I mean, I don't know. I would hate to see paddle boarding leave there. I think um in an area where there's more teenagers than little kids and families with older kids that like it's an amenity that gets used. My neighbors use it like for for that teens and I I don't know it would be hard to enforce and I think it would be taking a remedy.

Okay, we'll bring back all the sign. [laughter] So for me like signage signage is the minimum to try to have put that awareness and and get people to draw that distinction. I did like that idea that push notification though. That's a good idea too. If you park in there you get a notice, hey swimming, you know. Yeah, because then that's right in their case. They see it. It's a great idea. It's not our app though, right? It's guidance app. So you can Yeah. Yeah. Check it. Okay. Always a fun discussion. Thank you. Thank you, Lauren.

Okay. We'll move to 2.3 city status report for October. Trevor.

Good evening, Mayor Council. Um board is [clears throat] promise moving it up. [laughter] We've got economic development quarterly report and Bryce's quarterly project update report. So also it's going to be taken care by the real experts tonight. I can just comment on [clears throat] briefly uh with new residential units. Um we have a you know kind of a spread there of different unit types, housing unit types. We may see a revision on ADU numbers going forward as we kind of smooth out the reporting process of what when in the process are we actually reporting these ADUs and that's just going to be part of a larger ADU discussion I'm gathering and so more to come on that. So the cool the cool box is the first one that shows the 15 permits issued this year versus two last year for commercial development. So good job commercial development. It's [clears throat] pretty cool.

Yeah. Thank you for pointing that out. [laughter] She'll talk about it. I'll also just uh [clears throat] draw your attention to the fact that and everybody knows this because we're all part of it. We're moving into higher uh sales generation rates uh in the coming little bit. And so we will keep an eye on exactly how high those are going forward and draw some attention to that as we end through the end of the year and into any questions or feedback.

But I could say comment to the very end and segue into always next time. Thank you. Thank you, Trevor. Now, we'll segue to Sandra for a quarterly economic development update. Back to back our graduates today.

That's right. We're big old graduates today. [clears throat] Okay. So, a little bit of a difference. When Trevor ran his report for the end of October, we were at 1123 in um home occupations. We've added seven since then. This was ran today. We are sitting at 235 commercial licenses. That's not including like our alcohol licenses or stuff. That's just our brick and mortar commercial. This is just our map of all of our commercial commercial [clears throat] centers, which we have quite a few of. Um, starting off with Academy Village. Um, I want you all to see where we have iceberg quarter 1 2026. I just confirmed today with Alex. [laughter]

I know. Stop it. I'm telling you, open. I am bringing iceberg shakes. [laughter] So, they have um Hold on. they have um partnered with a franchise in Idaho and somewhere else that they're going to do this franchise here and the um development team that they work with, Alex said, is amazing and fast. He said that hopefully being done by the NMR. Stop laughing. It's going to happen [laughter] opening April 1st. So, yay to that. And they gave you a year in the first in a certain year. April [laughter] 1.

April 1st next year. Okay. Is that quarter two? April. So April 1. Well, no, because they're going to finish first quarter. Oh, and then we'll open this. Okay. [laughter] April. Listen, I the fact they gave you that is April Fool's Day. [laughter] How we've been thinking this was going to open. We are moving on. I just pointed out that I think you're walking into several [laughter] traps here. We're hopeful.

It's going to happen. It's going to happen. Okay. K Cook Station is nearing completion. They'll open the end of this year. Biz, we actually have licensed. They ran into a few things, but they are opening as well. Salt City Tacos, they're getting close as well, so we will have three opened by the end of the year. Um, we have ribbon cutings scheduled that I'll send out as soon as we have the final date on those. Um, we have opened our Rose Creek Animal Clinic and Starbucks. So, if you haven't visited our Starbucks Starbucks down there, it's pretty cool. Um, we did have conversations today talking about the hotel is moving forward. We have had 7-Eleven and Quickquack um, DRC's. So those are happening as well as 39 and the apartments look awesome there and Shel you all know about a tour in January. So first quarter that's good. Oh, it's not moving. There we go. Anthem, our new hotel is looking awesome. This picture was taken today. Um, so over there we have Chartway Credit Union is over here in the right top corner. They've fenced it off and are beginning our Dolly Soup and Salad. It is actually the same group that did our um nothing but cakes and they are working on some tenant improvements there. the Hippo Vet. You can see the building in the top left by Dollies in Slackwater. That's going great. Um, Game Haven building is nearing completion. It looks super cool. They've done some social media posts of what's happening inside. And the Enchanted Event Center, we are

actually going to they're sending out information for a ribbon cutting next Tuesday. I think that's the 18th. Um, it's beautiful inside. like it's a cool event center, something that the city has been needing. So, we're excited about that. We still have um IHC the medical center on the corner and then RPT is going in the pickle ball building. That's a physical therapy.

Copper View Plaza, the buildings are up of the first six. um he's had a little bit of a hiccup with the shutdown as far as SBA funding and some loans. So, some of the businesses that he had given us the names on, we're going to restrict for right now until things start moving forward and then we'll share. But those businesses are an Indian food restaurant, a soda shop, a Thai restaurant, sushi nail salon, and a shipping retailer. We do have open over there kinetic pilates, live well animal, um hospital, chubbies, and nothing but cakes. And Adelfi is a brunch, French brunch place that's going on the corner where the little plaza area is. And then Hammer and Nails Plunge and the soda shop are all in the uh improvement finishes right now.

What is Hammer and Nails? It's a men's. Glad you asked. It is a men's lawn. Okay. Yeah. Cool. It is super cool. Um the Hammerman Boulevard commercial. This is by 7-Eleven. Who laughed? No. I got kicked by somebody. [laughter]

Um we have a Carnita restaurant coming in and a Sucasa Market. Market I believe is going to go back in that back corner where the big pile of dirt is. Um and then we've recently opened Galaxy of Games, Real Hot Yoga, and Warner Dent over there. Town Center, [clears throat] one of our biggest projects right now. Um you can see the walls up on our new Trader Joe's. And the upper truss is almost ready to go. It went fast.

I know. [clears throat] It's super cool. And then obviously Target in the corner. We have Zulies and Chedders going in. You can also see the I don't know those footings on the What did you say? Building A and B. Buildings A and B have the wall built. The first one has the walls going up. The other one has the stem wall starting. Cheddars are going to be standalone right out front. One of the paths out front. Yes. And so this is just in fact Eric and Bill are tired of me because I make them go out and take pictures weekly because that's how fast it's changing. And the target plans are approved. So they'll probably start construction first quarter.

So this is an exciting commercial center. Okay. So Midas Crossing, I've got them all grouped into one. I'm going to have to start um splitting them up. This is a picture of the shops on Maine. We've got Zion's Discount Tire. And then this is the development that uh Jared Osman and I don't know who else is working with on this one, but these buildings are before different retail buildings. And then on the Crescent piece is Black Clover. [snorts] And then on the Auto Mall, we have our Mr. generous auto which is starting soon and Tuscanos and the three tenant um shell building right there by garage grillil. So a lot happening. Um we did talk to the developer today and they are working with a Mexican restaurant on one of the other paths out by Quick Park. So hopefully that'll it's just in discussions right now. And then we just opened obviously Z's Bank and Boss.

Jack in the box is in front of garage. Yes, that's still happening. They own the property. So down at Rockwell Landing, this is our beautiful Deaxia building. On this end right here, we have BNT LLC. They are a manufacturing for firearms and bullets coming from Florida. So they are taking up just how much would you say, Blake? Not even 100,000 square feet. Yeah.

So, we still have the rest of that to fill and you know, we're sending businesses as they come to the developer. And then on the other side back where we have [clears throat] the other buildings, it's going to we have Main Street Me, Colonial Flag, and Salt Lake Excavating. We did just open a Livian Kate, which was a homebased occupation. went into retail um over by the printing. This is the studio business. [laughter] We [clears throat] have our storage units. I don't think we need to talk about them. And then there's an office building as well. And then Teton Commercial. Um this picture is actually old because a lot of that has been changed. So, we have the Haven Event Center and then the other building will house medical, dental services, personal services. They've also got plans for a fast casual restaurant and then some talks are h happening here soon with a new gas station sea store on the corner. This is a list of all of our new businesses that have opened, I think, since it was May or June, which is a lot. And currently I have 45 businesses on my board that are in the process. So we will have quite a few happening um here in the next little bit. Um Lane's Chicken's opening November 17th. They took over our Carl's Jr. building off of 134th.

Yours look great. It's going to be nice. It's going to be nice. Thirst is opening on the 21st. We have their ribbon cutting on the 24th. They have been doing amazing with their social media. And then like I said, the um Enchanted Event Center will be on the 18th. I don't know if I have it on your calendars yet, but I will. And I just wanted to say the businesses have all made comments that they appreciate the response they're getting at their ribbon cutings, and I appreciate those that are able to take time out of their day. I know it's during the middle of a workday, but those that are able to come and help support our businesses, it's huge. So, [cough]

that's it. [clears throat] I know I've brought this up before and it's a bigger lift, but we look at the sales tax all the time, which is great. There's there's a lot we could say about that part, but I really would like to see an analysis of the property tax on, right? because there is a difference between what we'll what we what we receive from an empty lot that we've done a good job zoning and preserving that's really our involvement in main involvement in that process but then you no matter what the business is when there's a building there and that value increases the property tax is what helps offset the cost mainly to public safety right [clears throat] so it' be good to see an analysis of that where what we expect to and going into our kind of budgeting, financial planning [clears throat] of that. But we also have to take into account the larger areas, say the target or whatever is great, but we g we have in order to get them, we have to give half of the sales tax away, but it does generate the property tax that helps with other things. So it goes back to the idea of balanced land use. It's not just about the sales tax. Some of those serviceoriented businesses help help bring people in and support the businesses where we get a retail sales tax, but they all produce the property tax that goes towards public safety. So, like to see more of an well say more of an analysis on that and how it affects our [cough] budget planning for the next say, you know, 5 to 10 years. might even play into what you were talking about before as far as just growth and stuff. Is it going to keep up with our police department? But maybe if we start filling the difference between those things and understanding, you can roll that into

right. You know, at the last meeting when we talked about it, our share of commercial properties is is very low compared to our neighbors. We have mostly residential. So we can look at that and see uh you know different commercial buildings have different value. Larger office buildings of course have more value per per square foot of land because they're multi-stories than say a gas station. But we can put something together and show you kind of how what it was assuming we can find this what it was before they built and then after. So I think the first report will be the hardest one to put together because where do we draw that line and then after that we could give an update. Here's the

now now that we're starting to see a lot of these things have things come out of the ground and and quite a few of these are in CDA areas and so there are increment a lot of that property tax increment is actually going into that CDA to pay my point is that but it's but it's it ends at some point too for time. So, I just think that needs to be we need to analyze that and have that short-term and long-term plan that incorporates it.

Good job, Sandra. Thank you. And Blake, as well what you do there, too. Okay. 2.5 Capital Projects Quarterly Update. Bryce.

Okay. Yeah. So, we're back again. um a list of all of our capital projects in the city. Um one thing that we added this time so that [clears throat] the council and the general public could see is we always had the how much are all the projects costing, but we added the the last column here of how much funding are we getting outside of the city to build these projects. So that's credit to staff, to council, to development in helping us find these other ways to fund these projects. That can be through the federal government, that can be through the state, the county. Um, Jordan Valley Water is a an example of another grant. Um, so yeah, you can kind of see in the report where some of those projects where those uh grants are coming from, but uh it's a it's a big effort by by kind of the whole whole group to try and get those projects funded, whether that be through city or through other methods. And it's really helped us kind of have such a big project list here. Um yeah and and with that I'll give a few key project updates but but uh we can dive into anyone that that anyone has a question on. So um wide hollow trail head has started and uh the grading has you know we're we're well into the grading at this point. Um we got a report from our project manager a couple weeks ago with pictures of the staircase challenge going up the mountain is starting to to come through. Um, yeah, and it looks awesome. And if you kind of round the the side there, if you look up at the mountain, you can actually see those steps up the mountain. So, it's it's kind of cool to to see those. um 7300 west going north from Herman Main Street essentially all the way to where Herman Boulevard and the U11 realign will all kind of meet up at the corner

of Olympia and the Riointo annexation area or not our annexation but in South Jordan area um that is graded to subgrade so there's still a couple layers to come up to that but because we added so fill in the project about 20 ft in in some uh locations. We are putting in settlement plates to let it sit for a couple months and see if it settles, make sure we've met our compaction before we proceed with the project. So that'll most likely, if everything goes well, uh get paved in the spring of next year and the traffic signal at Herman Main and 7,300 West will will be installed in the spring of next year. Um 6400 west going north of Haramman Boulevard up to Midas Creek is pretty much complete. There's still a traffic signal that needs to be installed there and a few intersection improvements there. Um but for the most part it's all paved and trails are going in. So um yeah 6000 West Phase One. So that from Herman Boulevard to Silver Sky, it's like halfway to Herman Main Street, not all the way. That's phase one. Um the we're really close on the design. We're finalizing the design. All the ride ofway has been acquired and the permits to enter and construct have all been acquired. So we're hopeful that we can go to bid soon in the winter and then construction can start in the spring. So, um, yeah, those are kind of the major roadways. I can answer questions about any of these projects,

of course. [laughter] So, Gina, so tell me, Gina, I know I I read that report, but I thought that we were a little bit beyond that. I thought we'd already acquired the rightway first.

No. So what we had to do, so we drew up all the deeds and the permits about three or four years ago when we completed the design of the road. So the design was complete and the rideway documents were complete, but in that time there were several property that changed ownership. And just as good practice, we had our surveyor go through and doublech checkck all of the ownership and if all of the uh the boundaries were correct in today versus four years ago. So that took a little bit longer than we anticipated getting the surveyor on board and then having them go through each parcel. So that's been completed. Um we are in we are in the process of getting our rideway agent out there and and talking to the residents. It's just in contract approval right now going through our our process.

So just because I get asked about this almost daily. What what's the time frame on that? Cuz people are scared that I'm no longer in this seat that it's going to go away. Yeah. So it's really dependent on how rightofway negotiations go. We like to have that nailed down before we give a final construction start date. So um depending we were hoping and we are still hoping that rightway can occur in the winter and then we can go to bid in the spring that it's you know a 3month time frame but that depends on if we're able to get the the right way. Sure. And I've told them that I guess on our part the rightway acquisition is waiting on us to get something approved. So how long is it going to take for us to get that approved?

Um yeah they're just the contract language is going back and forth on our legal teams and their legal team. So hopefully not too long. God, how long is that going to take? Two weeks, two months, how long before we get that contract going so we can get um I don't think it'll take very very much longer. So, um we seem to be moving forward pretty quickly. Thank was there a treatment or something we were going to do prior to that or during Yeah. Yeah. So, Jess can speak a little bit. There was the treatment that went down spring. [clears throat]

It was in early summer. I can't remember the month, but yeah, we did uh it was a type of dust um suppressant and so we did that late spring, early summer. So that was done earlier. It worked pretty good for a while. It's kind of wearing off a little bit, but it's helping the road hold together better. [clears throat] It would hold the be together better. But the the issue was we had such a dry summer and that works by pulling moisture moisture out of the air and that's what will help keep it to last longer and since we didn't have any moisture. So now I think it's probably working a little better than it did throughout the middle of the summer.

That's cool. Yeah. And I agree it the [clears throat] potholes aren't you don't have near the potholes and stuff like they used to reoccur really quickly and they're not as fast anymore. So good job on that for sure. I was surprised that the main street project said it wasn't going to be completed till spring. Like what all is entailed with that that it like takes so long?

Yeah, a lot of that is irrigation will be shut off and so final completion as far as testing the irrigation, make sure the plant growth is coming back. You know, it'll go dormant for the winter. So, they can continue working in the winter. But as far as, you know, final completion, we do need to make sure the irrigation's working properly after the winter and that the plants are are growing in the spring. So, so yeah, that's that's a good question. And then every time we talk about this kind of stuff, I'm going to ask you about Juniper Crest. And so, what's the thoughts [clears throat] on that?

Yeah, Juniper Crest, we're working um as you know, that's part of the MDA requirement for Panorama is to complete Juniper Crest. And then on the city side, we're working on the project to put traffic signal and widen the center of the road from Rayal Vista over to Juniper Crest at Mountain View. So, we're shooting for summer of next year to have the traffic signal and everything widen. We're going out to bid on that here in a month or so. Um, and then it that should be completed by summer. [clears throat] And DI, the the developer of the area that's on the hook to build Juniper Crest is targeting the same timeline to try and connect Juniper Crest when we open that traffic signal. So summer may I mean just to be safe I would probably say fall but but our target is summer.

My last coordination with DI was July was their target right now. So they they were able to get the the deed and the plat recorded. Everything's completed for that plans are approved. So um they were ordering they have a a large box cover that has to go in drainage. So that was getting ordered last week and that was the thing. They said if we want to open in July, we've got to be able to get the clearance to deliver this box. So they they ordered that. They got the clearance. So um everything's on schedule right now for July. Okay. And close enough that some of the variables are settled, right? I I think the biggest challenge was getting the rightway all tied down in the deeds and that you know council acted

a couple months ago on it and it's just taken there are a lot of property owners involved and lots of strange things with how some of those deeds were written back in the day and so it just took some time to get that done like longer than any of us thought it would. Yep. Uh and there there were some some of the entities that made changes to what they want and so I [clears throat] had to go back and negotiate some of those things that are not under our control. So that's like the number one question I get. Right. Yeah. We we get it a lot too. [laughter] Sure. Along with that road is um also the installation of the the trail and the landscaping along the Greystone project. And so that's

we discussed that with him last week too. So things are moving quickly with DI right now. They're trying to pull it all together now that they have the property issue solved. Me too. A lot of moving parts up there for sure. Okay. Any other questions, Bryce?

Okay. Appreciate that update. [clears throat and cough] Thank you, Bryce. Okay, we'll go to 2.6 public works facility needs assessment review. Justin here excited to bring this to you. Um so earlier in the spring, February, March is when the council approved us to move forward with the programming and schematic design for um the public works facility, basically expansion out at uh the existing facility at Butterfield Park. So we worked with Galloway um consultants to work through this. Um I won't go through all this. I redacted a lot of kind of more dull. I can send you the whole thing if you want, but um just to get through this and at least let you see and get a good idea of what this will look like. Um this is basically all the people that were involved. We had uh city management and then you know the public works department managers that were involved through this process to develop this needs assessment. Um, we went through and used the GSB GSBs kind of as a baseline that we did back in 2020 2021. There was a lot of modifications that we made through there. Um, but in meeting with them initially, they had a good baseline of what what our needs were already. Um, so the needs analysis portion didn't take very long, but working through the the design and things that we'll get through was the bulk of what we worked on with them. Um, starting off, we kind of set some goals, which was basically determine the needs of all the different departments.

We went and did a tour of Sandy City's public works administration building, their public works yard, and then their uh construction of their new fleet building, which you can see the photo of there on the right. Uh we also went to Bluffdale City. They just completed the construction of their public works facility that Galloway designed. So, we went and toured that facility and was able to get some good insight on the dos and don'ts and what we want and don't want in this facility. Um, and then these are the departments that will be housed out at the public works facility. Um, if you recall the last design had events that was would be housed there and then also the public safety had a component there. Um those two uh were not included in this um schematic design and programming. Um but all the rest of the public works departments were. Um as we worked through this to try and keep costs [clears throat] down to where we could try and construct um within a reasonable dollar amount total and then also meeting the initial needs that the departments needed. Um we separated this out into two sequences. It could be spread out into multiple sequences but the first se sequence or phase would be the administration building rebuilding and then basically the site improvements that would be needed for those two buildings. And then the other facilities there um vehicle wash bay the our vector station which is our for our storm drain department. um relocation of the evidence yard that's there, Fuel Island and some of those other um areas. Those are put into sequence, too. But as I mentioned, we could move forward with

all of them or any number of them moving forward. Um we do have them tenatively planned on the site plan as you'll see as we get a little bit further. Um looking at this, [clears throat] the dollar amounts are a little small. Well, the text is small. [laughter] Um, [clears throat] so essentially, like I said, the administration building and the fleet building were the two main components that we were looking for. You can see the total um gross square footage there. Um 18,000 roughly for the administration building and the fleet building roughly 10,000. And then the site around those, you can see there's around 60. As a comparison to what it was with the uh previous design, we were around 30,000 square ft for the administration building and about 15 or 16,000 for the fleet. So we've reduced them both by about 30% by going through. Some of the other things that we did at uh some advice from Nathan was let's look out 15 years, 20 years. let's not look out for buildout because we don't know what things we'll need in 20 years. So, I thought that was good advice which helped us um to be able to scale this project back but still plan for future and for future expansion at the yard. So um since I can't read that [clears throat] um [laughter]

um so total construction cost for the first sequence um is around 13 million and then you add in some of the contingencies because we have not done full design. This is just schematic design. We haven't done design development where all of the different you know mechanical engineering structural does all of their design. Um, and so there's some contingency in there for design. Inflation, we have a couple years out before we construct. So there's some inflation in there for construction. And then we also have contingency for construction. So there's a lot of contingency that we put in here because we're still several years out. So we're about 13 million for construction and then with those contingencies, we're pushing around 17 million. Um, so there's some fluctuation there. And then when you look into the soft cost, which is your architectural and engineering for the final design of the site, your furnisher, furnishings and fixtures, um it um testing, some of those things, it brings the total up to about 18.4 million. Um that's for sequence one. for sequence two, which is all those others. [clears throat] Um, total construction is around $10 million and then with the contingency and soft cost, we're pushing around 15 million. And this has an inflation factor that pushes us out till around 2030. Now, that was just an estimate. We don't know when that'll happen, but we're like, hey, just push it out and give us an idea on what the cost would be in five or so years.

How much relief do you get by just doing sequence one? How long does it stretch you out to Um so I if you're okay I can talk to that when we get to some of the site plan and then I can explain um some of the efficiencies we gain by Perfect. Thank you.

Now obviously it'll cost more in the future but it does allow us to give us more time plus again in five years our needs might be a little bit different. [clears throat and cough] Um so this is a summary of the needs assessment. Um, this just gives a breakdown of each one of the departments that brings us to that a little over 18,000 foot total for the admin building. Um, there's a lot of sheets in here that we'll just kind of go through that break it down into departments as well. The one thing that this does also is it tells us what our total need is, then what the existing infrastructure we have there, how much of that um can be used to satisfy some of those needs, and then it tells us how much we'll need to construct in the future. [cough and clears throat] The existing we somewhat assigned to departments, but it doesn't need to be assigned to departments. We can as we construct new buildings, we'll be able to move people around, which makes sense. But this just gives us a total square footage of what the need is [clears throat and cough] compared to what our existing facilities are. And there's a little more of a breakdown there on the bottom left on comparing what our different spaces, conditioned, unconditioned, covered, storage, uncovered. So that's a little more of a breakdown there. So the existing facilities we'll have will will be able to come to use as we build sequence one. We'll be able to use some of those existing facilities as those new buildings will open up space in the existing areas. Um and these are just a breakdown. So if you look and I'll just explain and then you can look at this on your own or we can go through it. But this top section is office space and then this bottom section in those departments is what the um other uses are like your outdoor storage or indoor storage, your workspaces. But the top is the admin and then the bottom um would be your other

uses for storage shop space. So that's just a breakdown of those. And so we've done each uh a tally of all those needs for each one of the departments. And then there at the bottom you can see each one of those. them. I have notes on specific what goes in those spaces. Um so and that these were used to tally up the total. [clears throat] Um we'll get through. So we had parks. So this one shows the building common space which is basically not necessarily office space but your break rooms, your training room, your conference rooms, um mud rooms, just basically the common spaces, lobby that those areas will need. not specific to one department but for all departments. And then we have your support functions which are your mechanical rooms, fire riser, um electrical rooms, those types of things. And then looking into the space diagrams, this just gives you an idea on what the admin building would look like. So these would be workstations or what we'd call touchdown spaces for our outdoor employees as they complete their work through the day. they have a space to be able to come in, work on their laptop, do work orders, you know, fill out reports, those types of things. And then we have a small cubicle area for, you know, some of our coordinators or lead um department leads. Um this would be a workstation for say a foreman. It's a little bit larger where they could have employees come and sit down with them. And these are just workstations. And then we move into a small private office which would be for a manager. Um the private office which is a little bit larger for a director position. And then this is just what a a small conference room would might look like. It would be 12 to 14 people. And then a large conference room would be around 20 to 24.

Um and then we'll look into the site layouts here. So this is what sequence one would look like. And so essentially we're building it on the lower portion of Butterfield Park there. [laughter] It's coming. It's coming. No, we took this area right before. So it was February, March. So do you have much um grading work to do with that? It seems like

there's a lot of grading because this area back here, as you know, is a steep slope and then there's quite a difference in grade between the parking lot and here. So that's what I was thinking. The back of the building would actually act as a retaining wall. And so we'd excavate in. And so the the facility itself would be designed as that back wall would be a retaining wall. And you can see we have some stairs coming down from the upper level which would be able to access the second level of the building or drop you down to the bottom level. Um we had and I will just touch on this a little. We had this admin building in several different locations, but to try and keep continuity with the bulk of the infrastructure we already had, we placed it on the east side and was able to build this stairway and then there's easy drive access from top to bottom. And that was the reason we chose the more east side.

Seemed like costwise though building that into retention is a cost saver too. I think that's really wise. We e even if we did anything over here, we would likely do retaining walls to open up the space so that we're not losing a lot of space to slope. Yeah.

Um so even if we moved a lot of the other functions to this side, we'd likely do that. There's a retaining wall right here which will separate the level of the fleet parking lot to the upper parking lot. And then this drive access would be at the same elevation as the parking lot. [snorts] So we have some visitor parking here. The other thing this allows us is we have a lot of parking here during business hours. This gets used a lot obviously after hours. Um but this allows us to take advantage of parking in the existing parking lot here. Um if we have larger events or we have meetings where it brings more people. Um, and then we have developed this kind of straight through, it's not straight through, but access directly through the site to 6,400 West. And then this access point lines up with the subdivision road across. So, we'd have an actual intersection. So, this one, the existing one's kind of mid block and it's difficult for our large trucks to get out because they're on the slope. So, at the bottom, this will be safer um access for them. So, this is the fleet building. It's around 10,000 square feet. The total admin again is around 8,000 square feet. So that's essentially the other thing I will point out is a lot of the things we have stored up here by the rodeo grounds we want to move down so that more that can be more usable for events. Um and so we'll be moving a lot of that down into this area. to be able to do that. We'll likely install a fence around the area so that we could have secure area to store those things because we have had vandalism items stolen um where they currently are located and so being able to have those secured would be a benefit. We'll look at sequence two. Um so this is like I said just a schematic. things can move around, but

this just shows that we can fit it on the site. The future needs, there would be an expansion up here of the existing building. There's a current wash bay right here that would be um transitioned into some other type of storage or building. Um I've told Wendy that we're going to keep our office up here. It's really nice. U maybe we'll move it. It is a mobile home, so we'll move it and store it and then bring it back if it's needed. Maybe we'll move Trevor out there. He might enjoy it. [laughter] Take me with you.

Um, so this this is a larger conditioned building that would just be used by multiple departments for storage and shop space. The car and vehicle wash is here. Um, we have some [clears throat] expansion of the, like I mentioned, the backer station, which is when they go clean off storm drains, they have to bring the debris back, dry it out before we can haul it off. There's an expansion of our salt storage here. Um, a fuel island here. We have a fuel island currently here, which is very difficult to access. And there's only about 1,000 gallons of storage, which in an emergency wouldn't last us very long if we went had a week or two where we didn't have access to a gas station. So, it' be very important to be able to expand that storage.

[clears throat]

All of the material storage that's up along this east area of the rodeo grounds would be moved down here with they would be built into the embankment so that the the walls would act as a retaining wall so that we could build that parking lot up to make the upper parking lot more usable because it's sloped. Um the impound lot would right now be placed here. We had put large pre-cast walls around them with some landscaping to kind of block those from view. But you can kind of see how we have this straight through access [clears throat] and essentially that sequence to um any question. So I will say so moving [clears throat] fleet and building the fleet building here would open up three to four spaces in this larger building which would allow existing departments to expand into and move into as we grow. So those are the efficiencies we get. There's also a break room that takes up an entire bay which would be moved into the admin building. So there'd be four to five bays up here that would be opened up just by building those two buildings which allow the departments to grow into over the next 10 or 15 years. So um that's where the efficiencies come in of moving which opens up space for us to be able to grow too. Again we have a lot more parking down here that we can move a lot of the congestion that's here down to this area. We could also do some grading and improvements through here to open up the use of that space down there. So um [clears throat] total acreage I think is around 7 and a half acres for the entire site which is a little bit small but I think we can move with the [clears throat] efficiency of being able to move straight through from one end to the other will drastically improve our ability to use

the site and um improve access for our when we get salt deliveries it's very difficult to get in and out right now. So, just grading and retention [clears throat] and things like that, just utilizing the property better. I think there's a lot of it's wasted right now.

Yeah. And it will make this upper parking lot a lot more usable. Um because we'll be able to level out the slope. [clears throat] Um now we'll get into the buildings a little bit. Um as I mentioned, there will be a retaining wall here, a landscape buffer against the parking lot. We'll likely do some rowd iron fencing so it doesn't look like a fortress against the parking lot to make it look open. Um do some nice landscaping. Thank you, sir. This is the lower level of the public works admin building. This is where most of the common space is. So we have our front entrance. So this is east on the right side. You have your lobby entrance here. We have a large conference room right off the lobby. So it's easy access for for meetings. The training room is here. So if we add larger events, it's easy access off the lobby. They don't have to go through secured areas to get there. This is the admin area. So as people come in to do business with the city, they're right off the lobby. We have some restrooms. And then we have an access point which gets us into secured stairway to the upper level. And then we have some storage space up in the front for we have construction hydrant meters which we currently store up here. This would give storage and allow them to be rented out at that location. Through here is our locker space and uh employee restrooms, the break room. And then this is your mechanical and electrical and fire riser room. Here we have some changing rooms and sh and a shower. Here and then a larger storage area. Here we have our mud room coming in off the public works facility so that we can try and keep it the facility clean. Um so

this is essentially the bottom floor which is mostly the common space. This bottom level is larger than the upper level. Um you can see the [clears throat] roofed area through here. This is the upper level. Um, so the large lower level was a little bit larger so that we could accommodate all the common space and then try and keep the office space upstairs, but we didn't need the entire square footage of the lower floor to meet the needs of the office space. So, we um slid it back. [cough] So, we'll have outer offices for managers and directors on this outside with some uh conference rooms and then the inner area will be basically open and can be configured in any different way for um all of the uh workstations and cubicle type areas.

Of course, I have a question. Sorry. Um seems like sometimes as you build it's like not to throw, but this building we should build a basement, right? But as you build and you already are that big on the bottom, how much more expensive is [clears throat] it just to build the same on the top? That way you have space to grow into versus not build it all out and then go, "Oh, we should have spent because because cost per square foot maybe is much less if you're building as you go rather than coming back and oh, we should have expanded the full." Yeah, that was that was definitely a thought that we had um with our 15-year outlook on what our needs are. We still have three open offices. Okay.

And then in here there's a lot more touchdown spaces than probably will be really needed. So I feel like the work we've done to determine how many employees will we have. Plus the other thing is as technology changes the need for employees to come in and do touchdown work is changing. And so if we need the space for growth a lot of that can happen. and the a lot of them are currently starting to do it in their trucks more. Okay.

Um and so I think we had I think we addressed some of the growth needs because we had that same question. Do we just build it out? Um one of the concerns we had is looking at it, you're pushing $380 a square foot and so trying to not overbuild but build large enough. Um, and then if we need to, we can in 20 years, as Nathan mentioned, we might need to build something somewhere else and it might not need to be in those this location that might be best suited somewhere else. Yeah, that makes sense. Thank you. So, we did take we we did look into that and decided that this would be a good option for us. Thank you.

See, this is some renderings of what it could look like. As you can see, we have the step down for the upper level. Um, right now the con the cheapest construction today would be um structural steel with a concrete floor on the upper and lower level and then steel stud framing. Um, and then exterior veneer. It could be a CMU or a brick or some other type, whatever is most economical. And then right now the upper level is some horizontal metal paneling. Um, so that's what's cheapest today to build. It might be later CMU walls might be best or tilt up might be best, but today the cheapest option was the steel framing with structural steel. You can see the stairways coming from the upper level. Um and so you have um just the different this is looking this is the north side. This would be the west side. [cough] Um east side and then the back. Um here we have an opening that would go out to kind of an open area for our employees to be able to sit outside or when we have larger events um we can have allow for an opening to come out to uh a patio um for those little larger events that we have the fleet building. So [clears throat] we have these are two large drive-thru bays. This is 80 feet in width. And so you could have enough room to put four vehicles here. And then we have a larger heavy duty bay where we could pull in a dump truck to do heavy duty work, you know, welding if we had to lift the bed off of a vehicle. So this would be planned for an overhead crane. And the other ones could still use you could

have two larger pieces of equipment or multiple smaller vehicles in here. Um, this is the office area. So we'd have a a form a manager, a foreman, and then the administrative assistant there. Then we have some locker rooms with the laundry room, AV and changing rooms um there in the admin area. Um this right now the cheapest was CMU construction with flat roof. I'll go back. Um, we were able to with the size of this flat roofs have caused us trouble here at the city hall because it's a larger roof. We were able to have a pitched roof. Um, so that hopefully we can mitigate some of those long-term problems that we have with flat roofs. Um, but on this little bit smaller building, it was a little cheaper to go with the flat roof plus the height of the building because we need the height inside the building to be high enough. um flat roof made the most sense. We have some uh windows for light, like I said, CMU all the way around. And then we have the lower level admin building here.

You have cranes and hoist and whatnot inside there.

In the in the large heavy bay, we will have So on the on the front side, you can see we have three doors and on the back side, we only have two. Um this large this bay over here would be a large heavy bay with that would have an overhead crane. And then we'll have lifts. We didn't do pit because that's not the the safety and then the drainage issues and things like that. So, we'll have lifts in the other um in at least two of the other bays so that we could lift vehicles and the other ones will just be pull through. Um this area right here is some storage and then uh we have a mezzanine that would go up to a compressor and then storage up above the mezzanine. So that's how we utilize the space of the single bay over here. See? And I think that's it. So overall, I think, you know, by being able to look into the future 10, 15 or 20 years, as Nathan suggested, I think was a good option. It allows us to be able to grow in 20 years to what the needs are at that time. Um, and you know, the costs being around $18 million for the first phase. Just looking for any thoughts or suggestions on changes we might have and then if you feel comfortable with us moving forward working to try and put this in the CIP and in the future and work with Kyle and Nathan to see when that makes the most sense.

Just saying this is so much better than the last presentation we got from the public works. [cough and clears throat] just this is reasonable and it's very methodical. I went through all this stuff and you guys have done an excellent job of really trying to assess needs versus wants and so I just applaud the effort that's went into this. It's very good and utilizing the property that the city already owns. Better utilize it because a lot of that's wasted right now. So just say excellent job. Are you pressed for space right now or is this like totally just looking out in the future? We are overly pressed for space right now.

Yeah, we had [clears throat] this initial looking at the public works facility. We started in 2019 2020. Um and then that got put on hold because as as Sher mentioned it was I don't want to it was a little overzealous at the time and so stepping back with some direction from Nathan was able to get us to this point. Um, and I think it makes a lot more sense this time around. Thank you. And I'd love to take a tour of the current and understand a little bit more. [laughter] I don't know. It takes a while to wind and then just go play the game where you have to move the colored car out with all the other cars. That's what their parking lot looks like. [laughter]

You have to go every It's like Tetris getting in and out. It's a challenge. It's crazy. And I I I'm hoping it will look better. The reason I I push them on how long in my experience, every time I've come in in a building, oh, it's a 40-year building and they're 10 years into it, it's the wrong thing or it's it's it's never going to meet it. And I I don't I just don't think we're good enough projecting 40 years. 20 is [clears throat] feels like a long time anyways. Uh but then then I assume at that point if those the individuals who we benefit the taxpayers at that point can decide what they feel like they need.

Yeah, I love that answer as far as instead of doing that full width. Well, this is all we really need and it's like you said, what if you need it down on that end of the city, we just need a little side building down. Yeah, it makes it makes more sense. Good job. Who's in charge of fundraising? Appreciate it, Justin. Thank you. Should we go from here?

Okay. The legislative priority is just we're starting to put that standing uh meeting on here. We certainly come back to if you want talk about what's going to happen or we're just starting to put it on every week meeting.

Any comments right now? We could try and get through it real fast. Um there's there's a lot you can go out and look and see what bill files or bill requests have been filed by different uh there's a lot I I think they like to set records every year. So they're they're going to try again. Uh we made the mistake as citizens of allowing them to hire more drafting attorneys. So there's a lot more bills that are that are coming out. But you can go see that. Uh we've started meeting internally to talk what is what do we think this session is going to look like? And we do have those uh we're scheduling with some of the legislative leadership to come out here and actually see what's happening in Haramman so that they don't they don't perpetuate the idea that everything's one and five acre ranchets and we've never allowed anything. So

I think the biggest discussion um or thing that's on that I'm hearing about and I'm thinking about is detach ADUs. Um, as you know, that's been a topic here for Haramman, but uh, that is going to be probably one of the bigger land use issues. Um, I think there's going to be a consensus on detach ADUs is not a bad thing. Um, if you can plan for it the right way, the issue will be infrastructure, impact fees, and lot size. Um, I think those are going to be the three key issues for that discussion. So, um, we can keep you more updated as, uh, we have some language that we've been, uh, as the land use task force has been meeting with the developers and we proposed something that, um, we felt comfortable with as far as just general concepts and the developers asked for a lot more on their revision. So, um, that so we're not seeing eye to eye and that typically means that a bill file will be opened and we'll see a pretty extreme example at the beginning.

And the the interesting thing they're seeing when we're allowing the ADUs in the construction, they they listed it for affordable housing, but they're selling those homes for more because they're saying, "Look, you can have this income stream." So it it's um the direction from the state is not it's not matching with the other direction from the state. So

yeah strange uh rather than me try to do this in the council report because really as far as the fizz goes that's a legislative issue. My thought is and you don't need to do it here but I think maybe prior to having the developer come and present what they want to give us as an application. I think we we need to have a presentation from staff to the council as to what the fizz is and what the legislation's looking like so we have a baseline understanding of what it is what it's like what it's supposed to do before we get in after it's not the new soda shop.

No, [laughter] it might have a soda shop. Let's do that. That would be great. What the notes I made was what's general concept. I don't know justice. Let's do that. They've never used the essent

but then everybody was like that's a slang word for some other things. Okay. I will tell you the league's going to push back hard on the the governor's aim to acit initiatives are just unsustainable. We can't Where's the water coming from? So we're He's right. We're water is an issue, transportation's issue. No one running out of land. It it's as you've said many times before, it's the state of Utah, not the state of the Wasatch Front,

right? We talked about the point briefly at the sewer district board and their assumption is about 500x of usage to what we were getting into business. So that's the same with water. This is just it's like the federal government the state legislature knows best. Okay, look for a motion to adjurnn. Then we got their work. Make a motion. All in favor? Hi. We coming back.