City Council - Regular Meeting

I cannot thank you enough for that and then all your inputs are considered here tonight and I also wanted to make sure since I think it says tax dollar that is you know city tax dollar support to be in our local workforce basically I cannot think you know that if any developers are not supporting local workforce and benefits, I think that is a very big question for me personally, and that is how I believe. And I just wanted to make sure, and I also have one more question to Eden, especially, or maybe staff probably. How we qualify 110, it says it may qualify 110 RENA numbers. Is it a conditional or is it we are for sure that we will get there? Can you elaborate on that one a little bit and also the

Yes. Okay. Well, Mark may want to speak further to this, but effectively there are two different formulas that come into play with regard to the housing successor funding. Again, it can only be spent on the development of new affordable housing, and there is a restriction on how much of it can be spent on senior housing and how much of it must be spent on very low-income housing. So when you do the math on that, What we arrived at was that the total RHNA credit, including the 65 new units, would be 110. So effectively, we would be getting, we believe we would, we are reasonably certain that we could get RHNA credit for the rehab units, which also require a minimum city investment of $60,000 per unit. So we actually have kind of a three-part math problem And when we solve that, we find 35, 45 additional units of the rehab units could be eligible for RHNA credit. They have to be under 45% AMI. They can't be more than, the whole investment can't be more than half senior, and at least 40%, I believe, has to be very low income. Mark, did you want to add anything to that, or did I, got it, okay. Getting a thumbs up from the consultant that I nailed that one.

You did well You don't have any more questions or comments right now not for now all right so down looking down here councilmember Bailey

Yes. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Excuse me. Thank you to members of the public. I had the opportunity to meet for coffee and lunch with a few residents. At that time, it's interesting that the vote was split equally between the three. At that time, I didn't think all three were equal, so it was interesting. There was that dichotomy. I never shared my thoughts on the program. I generally just listened. I have issues with all of the projects, though. I have issues with Bayline, with the way it was presented. I was mayor when it came to the council. I also have issues with the possible height of the building. Not where it is currently, as proposed, but what they can do by law. Because as many people who have been here for multiple meetings know, they have lots of exemptions that they can apply for. That building can be up to seven stories tall. We don't have a way to capture that. If they aren't in some kind of negotiation, will we lock them in? The SAHA project, I have issues there as a former planning commissioner, and we had someone talk here as well. That project is divided into three pieces. It was supposed to be mixed use. We had a resident that was here as part of that planning process talk. The mixed use piece means that we should have retail, which is taxes, because we have to run a city to pay for police officers. The agreement when I was on Planning Commission and the Council was that there'd be a piece for residential. They were condos, the equivalent of. There was a piece for a hotel. That's residency occupancy tax, which is really important to us as a city. And then there was retail on the far corner, basically across the street from the Shell Station. The owner of all the two larger parcels could put this project there and there'd be no issue here, right? But by placing it on the hotel site, we lose forever the ability to have that revenue. Now, would there be a hotel in Hercules again? I don't know the answer to that, but it could also be retail, which again is tax generating. So I have an issue with that project. The Eden project, as we go up to Eden, the issue there, and most folks that spoke here are my neighbors, largely. I live in the waterfront as well, been there since 2004, been in Hercules since 1993. when I moved in as a kid. The Eden project, the issue is the density in that project site. It spills over into Victoria by the Bay, and those residents have issues there. They're not here to speak on it today, but I have met with those residents just as well as I've met with many of you, and they have that concern. It currently does spill out under the current project that's there now. So these are the issues that I have. I don't have a problem with affordable housing, though. So there's a difference there. It's just how these particular developers have brought this to us is where I have the challenge. And everyone I've talked to, I've said that to. I have no problem with affordable housing. I do think that we, as a city, have historically mixed affordable housing. In fact, it's all around us. It's in condos at Bravo. It's in condos all around town. It's up at the KB Homes project that was over there. It's at Taylor Morrison project, all around town. So I don't have a problem with that, but I do agree that the densification could be a challenge just because it becomes a district, right? And that wasn't the vision for the district from the residents that were here. I will say, for those of us that live at the waterfront, our neighborhood was just like this over at the old Wells Fargo building. Folks didn't want to build our neighborhoods either at that time. So they had to call the police that day. I remember I was a kid, but they had to call the police. People were so upset at the Charette for what is now the waterfront, which is a beautiful neighborhood. So these are the challenges that I have. And I also have an issue with the labor issue that was mentioned here. uh you know in social media it's become taxpayer money as if it's hercules taxpayer money it's a different pot i want to be very clear about that but we're giving a developer money they need to employ a workforce and pay them correctly so that is critically important to me so whichever piece we go with if we divide it under three divided by two whatever it is that's going to be something that needs to be negotiated where they're meeting um the the um I'm just going to repeat the number here. The assembly bill, AB2011 for pay and wages. So those are some of the challenges that I have. And Mayor, thank you for giving me the time. As we look to what to do going forward, it's how do we integrate the project into wherever it is. Again, Bayline can meet the seven stories tall. So if they don't get any of this money and we don't restrict them somehow, That's what we get. I don't think anybody plans for seven story tall building at the waterfront. What was in the waterfront master development plan is three to four stories. First story is about a story and a half tall based on the design. So it's about, by design, three and a half to four and a half stories. We need to try and maintain that as best we can and continue to work with our, they're our partners because they own the land there, to continue to work through that. Over at Saha, it's also a tall building. Again, I have issues with the site because we have to generate revenue. So those are some of the challenges that I have. I'll probably make some more comments, but I don't want to take too much time. But I want everyone here to know that I heard you. I heard the comments that have been made here. The comments that have been made when we've had coffee. I've sat for two hours and talked for folks at a time sometimes. And I'm grateful for the community input. I just have some issues as just discussed, and I need to figure out how we're going to resolve that. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

Thank you. Vice Mayor, do you have any comments?

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you, everyone who has been engaged throughout the past several months. It's always amazing to see neighbors come together for an issue that they believe in. I think that's one of the strengths of our democracy is that we can have back and forth. You can engage with your elected officials. You can come together and organize, whether you support it, against it. I think that's really awesome. And especially for so many of you that... In the times that I've talked to some of you, maybe the first time you've ever done anything like this. So I can imagine the book of knowledge that you've learned along the way. So I commend you for that, especially when you learn all the things like Robert Rules of Order, wondering why we cut you off at three minutes, just all these little things that come associated with it. I know that there's not a lot of information on why we do these things. And I especially appreciate you all taking the time out of your evenings to to be here. I know many of you have to be at work at 0900 and literally taking care of your families and doing anything else. Just wanted to say I also hear you with the comments that you've either made to me in person, we've met for coffee, ran into each other at Safeway or Lucky's or whatever, and even on Facebook. You know, a lot of these things I do walk into just I'm going to hear what people have to say and then make my decision based off of that. As everyone's been talking, I've been tallying down what I've been hearing. Taking my little notes, just trying to see what everyone has to say. Now, similar to my colleague, Council Member Bailey, I've had issues with all three of the developments. Bayline, in particular, one thing, respectfully, and I say this very respectfully to all the presenters tonight, it felt very out of touch. And one moment, particularly in the presentation, that I really felt that way was when the retail aspect was mentioned and an additional coffee shop could be placed there. I think Hercules is very well caffeinated. LAUGHTER Not product placement, but I got a little something something right here. It's going to be a long night. So that, to me, kind of told me everything that I needed to know. With SAHA, I echo the comments that my colleague made about once that's there, it's not like we haven't figured out how to make apartments float yet. And so that means we're going to miss out on potential TOT. That means we're going to miss out on potential places where we can have literally anything else besides a coffee shop. And I just think it misses the mark of what so many people like my parents, when we moved to Hercules in 2002, came before the vision that they set forth and then that my both my mom and my dad when I was a little five-year-old came to Hercules for the first time they said this is where they want to raise me and my little sister so I just think that that misses the mark with Eden I agree to the the spilling over into the community but also commend them for wanting to rehab their developments the common denominator again with all of them that I see is the lack of willing to commit to labor standards my grandfather came here from Jim Crow Mississippi He brought three kids, later had seven more. My mom was number eight, ten siblings. He raised them off of one income as a longshoreman in Oakland. Imagine doing something like that today. It's impossible.

People can't. My generation, I'm a part of Gen Z. I was born in 1987.

We can't even do that to this day. So when I hear things like this, it's honestly very disappointing. It shows that there's a lack of commitment to our future. I grew up here, like I said, I graduated from Hercules High School, and I'll tell you, every single community event we have, I run into friends that tell me all the time, I wish I could move back to Hercules. I've been blessed to be able to stay in the town that I grew up in, but I know so many people who have been displaced. So there definitely is a need to make sure that housing is affordable, but we gotta be smart about it. We gotta make sure that we're continuous with so many people like my parents who, when they came here when I was a little kid, wasn't thinking anything about this, or saw this as a vision, and they saw what we can put forward, and they saw the beauty in it. And to this day, my dad has since passed away, but my mom still lives in Hercules. So I think about this a lot. I'm not going to mess up the place that my mom and my little sister lay their head every single night. I'm not going to mess up the place that my neighbors and my friends that I went to Ohlone, Hercules Middle School, Hercules High School with, I'm not going to mess up the place that they call home. If we're going to do this, we're going to have to do this smart. I've heard the community loud and clear. I've got my little tally sheet right here. But the big thing that I would emphasize, and I brought this up before, is when we make a decision, that one, the community remains involved with it, and two, that we have strong labor standards. So that way, you should have the ability, some kid who's graduating the year, class of 2027, I guess it would be now, crazy to think about that, can have the ability to work on a job site, raising this town, working a job site, and contribute and live back in the community that they grew up in. So I know that was a lot, and I will yield back my time. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

Thank you. Now it's my turn. I've talked with many of you, read a lot of documents, and considered this for a very long time. And this is the third meeting that we have had here. So I just want to remind everyone, we have these housing asset funds. They can only be used for new affordable housing projects. And we are being asked to commit this $5 million. There also is a deadline for just over half of those funds. Over half of that, I think about $2.8 million would have to be committed by June of next year. Otherwise, it could end up going back to HCD. So I want to be practical about this. So I've taken a look at all the three projects. Community Housing Works, I do have some issues with that. Many of them are similar to what the community has said. First of all, it's very far away from transit, and when construction starts on that side, there will be no bus service down there. I suppose if you qualified for ADA, you could get a paratransit bus, but you have to book it a day ahead, and that would not be suitable for going to work. Also, there are very few retail services down by the Bayfront. Yes, we've got coffee shops, but not much else. Community Housing Works is based in San Diego. Maybe that's why they don't completely understand what we're about here. And I do take the point that they have not adequately addressed the concerns about RECB and placing developmentally disabled people into the community. And lastly, it doesn't conform with the waterfront district master plan or come close and that gives neighbors a lot of concern. They are concerned about that. They are also concerned about their home values and so forth. So I have some issues with Bayline. With Eden, They are very a good developer. They're located here in the East Bay I think it's a good project moving some people who now live there and perhaps others into 66 units for seniors It would be nice to have the other sites refreshed Eden owns the site and like I said, they're good But if they don't get funding now, they may eventually get funding They're a very established organization, and I don't think that's a killer for them lastly Saha They would provide us with 100 units and 100 parking spaces and be very well situated within the city. That site there, it's a 1.88 acres. It is close to the markets, the banks, the coffee shops, and so forth. People who live there can walk to the Hercules Transit Center. Also, the building as conceived now, when I saw the drawings, would kind of mirror aventine it would go up to possibly six stories but it would be stepped back so those buildings would kind of mirror each other the site now is owned by herrick hospitality by mr bill herrick and he needs to sell it in the future he is not planning to build a hotel and lord knows when that could happen maybe eventually would have something at the waterfront but as you know with the pandemic the world has changed and people are just not building hotels any longer As far as the utility goes go on that particular site, I did speak with SAHA and they said that the utilities will be coming in from Sycamore Avenue and will not be part of the Lewis Corporation's requirement to underground utilities. So that is not an issue there. It's possible that if we build this, it could spark some retail on the tip of the Sycamore Crossing site. I kind of keep my fingers crossed about that. And it's good to hear that SAHA is open to developmentally disabled people. I will add that they are local. They're based in Berkeley. They have built Valor Village for veterans, senior veterans over in Pinole. They've built Verona Hill, which is in Albany, 62 units, now completely full. And they are in the process of building a catalyst, which is 110 units for Berkeley Unified School District employees. And that will be in San Pablo Avenue next to a school site. So they're a very known factor. So for all of these reasons, if I have to choose, I would choose to give the money to SAHA. I think they need the money. They could get going soon. It could spark development down there of the retail part on Sycamore Crossing. And I think that that's basically what I have to say. This is the third meeting we've had. I would like to make a decision with this and move on. We have a lot of things. to discuss in the city, and there will be future projects coming forth. We are now being asked to direct staff to enter into negotiations with this money, and whoever the developer or developers are, they will have to come back to the city with plans to develop their projects. So with that said, I would be open to a motion by council to award monies to SAHA.

yes yeah i appreciate the comments and i want to recommend something slightly different um i think that we should look to do all three projects and i'll tell you why eden has the challenge of parking we can control it if we give them money i think we had that conversation base bay line i'm worried about the height of the building and if we have money in there part of negotiations can be that the building does not go that high If we don't give them that, I'm already willing to put a seven-story building down at the waterfront. And that's my challenge. Now, I have caveats to try and make this work. My caveat to that is we need to make sure we have our labor agreement in there, and then they can come back to us. So my divide would be two, two, and one. Two to Eden, two to... Two million is the number when I say two. Two million to Eden, two million to... the other project of Saha and then one man to Bayline with these caveats someone's going to fall out this is not going to go out this way by the way it's a place to negotiate from so again the goal is to try and cap the height at Bayside because that's important I think the community that I've met with they said that's important to them I don't know how else we do that so that's where I'm that's where I'm coming from that is that we try to to cap the height of that building But again, we look at all, and we should not be, I hear you, but we should not be doing the back and forth except from the podium. I don't know another way to control that, and residents are very concerned about the height of that building. They may choose to ignore us and not take the money. Again, all we're doing today is not approving a project, it's the funding. right it's this it's this five million dollars in funding that we have to give out i'd like to hear other comments from council about how we control the height but that's the issue for me i will tell you that you know giving money to the property that is what we call sycamore crossings is challenging because they've received lots of money before as well but i'm willing to go along with it i hear the community's comments we again we've tallied i have talked to folks all over town but that's the challenge is that we don't have a way to stop the height of that building without negotiations. I hear the community, and I'm not trying to have direct conversations here, but that's my challenge. And as a council, we're trying to hear what the community says about the height of that building. That has been said from day one a year ago. all the way up to today, plus countless meetings, I believe it's critical to answer to the public that we control the height. That may give us an opportunity to do that.

Thank you, Council Member Bailey. And a point of clarification here, the 1.88 acre site is not owned by Lewis Corporation. It has a separate APN number and is now owned by Herrick Hospitality. So that is completely independent from Lewis Corporation, which owns the other sides of Sycamore Crossing.

madam mayor thank you for the clarification i don't want to confuse the public lewis on the property first they sold a piece off there's no confusion here prior to that property development centers on the property so properties do change hands madam mayor again property development centers never owned the land they had a purchase sale agreement with the city i think giving people you might be correct about that giving people misinformation doesn't help we're trying to solve a problem and so again that that's just what i would recommend to help try and solve that problem Again, that's the comment that I heard the most was the height of the building, the height of the building, the height of the building. Thank you.

Thank you. I'd like to go back and see Council Member Grimsley, do you have any comments?

I do, and I hear the comments from Council Member Bailey with the fact that we are at a point of negotiation. This is a negotiation. We're not awarding any funds tonight.

And to enter into negotiations regarding the funds.

We did hear very, very strong opinions from community members here tonight with respect to the Saha project and the Eaton project. And so I would like to hear more from Council Member Bailey with respect to why we would consider awarding or even negotiating or attempting to negotiate with Bayline.

Okay, I'd like, is that all? Okay, Council Member Bhattarai?

Well, thank you, Mayor. I think I have, like other council members, I have a concern with all threes, but I prefer that, you know, safest bet would be Eden, I believe, because they have highest number of arena credits. And the other, you know, we still can preserve our, you know, original reason of waterfront district for the Bayline, as well as the sales tax. and the future health tax or the TOT tax revenue for the city, I think, for that reason. And more importantly, I think I heard that SAHA is not willing to work with the local labor force. I think that is a bigger concern for me. For that reason, I think that it would be a better option in this case. That's my comment here.

Um, and again, I don't know what the status is of any of those developers on it. That was one comment that we had from a union member. I don't know for sure. So, uh, vice mayor, do you have any comments?

Yeah, it's just my colleague, uh, council member Bailey, just, you had to see if you could just elaborate more similar to what councilwoman, uh, Grimsley said. Cause honestly, I don't even know how we would make that work if, if one gets 1 million, I mean, considering what we've heard about the seed money, I don't know if that would even be able to do anything. I would love to see if staff could chime in, too, to elaborate.

Yeah, and could we have our community development director just clarify that and what the recommendation was in terms of awarding the funds?

The question was to me, so I'll just answer why I asked the question. Again, it goes to how do we control that? I don't think we're going to end up giving $5 million out. I think some people are not going to do the project. It's going to go back in the pot anyway. We're negotiating is what we're doing here, not trying to make an agreement. I think there's lots of challenges out there for some of these projects. We've mentioned transit at the waterfront. We've mentioned height of the building over at Saha, and we've mentioned the issues with Eden and the green and just the parking issues over there. So I think that this will simmer, and we'll be back to have a further follow-up with staff. But that's why I'm asking for that. I have no preference on the projects that are there. I think I've said it very clearly. I have issues with all three of them. It's just about trying to make sure that we preserve that in the community. That's my comment, and that's how I think we should, that's why I think we should move forward with that.

And I'd like to ask Timothy Rood, our Community Development Director, to explain why the recommendation was to fund one or possibly one or two projects.

Sure, well that, Recommendation is based on the fact that a development of a project of this size is expected to cost upwards of $80 million. So the $5 million, while it's a lot of money, in the big scheme of what a project costs to get out of the ground, it's just one of many pieces of funding that an affordable housing developer has to put together. each piece of funding makes the additional funding more likely because each funder generally wants to be the last one in to help a project reach the finish line. The recommendation was that we maximize the odds of success for one project or two, if that be the council's direction, in order to provide a meaningful boost to that project's finances that might in turn induce the developer to enter into an agreement. So generally, the more money the city has on the table, the more leverage the city would tend to have in those negotiations. Mark may also be able to speak. He's had discussions with some of the developers about whether they would accept a partial award. And I don't recall the specifics. Generally, I think at least some of the developers indicated that they might accept half the funds.

Yes, maybe Mr. Silke, you can clarify if that's possible.

they've all they've all said they would like to have all the funds as you can imagine um some of them did indicate that they would take a partial amount like three million dollars um but it's true once once you once you diminish that amount it's they just have to go out and find other money from somewhere else and that's a difficult process and a long-term process they can also miss their timing to get the big money which is the tax credits And that's what they want to tear themselves up for. It's also, it helps them to show that they have local support. So the more local support, the better that is when they're going after other funding sources. So the more, the better. Splitting it up just makes it difficult for the ones that do get it.

Thank you. And now my comments again. I would prefer to give all of the money to one to see that the project actually comes through. You know, we're under a great deal of pressure here to achieve our arena goals. And every little step we make will let HCD Housing Community Development know that we are actually trying and they won't force us to build something that we don't want. So this really is significant. So I would like to give the money all to Saha, and if not, if that is not acceptable to council, that I'd be willing to split it between Saha and Eden. So with that said, yes, Vice Mayor?

Yes, I had a couple questions before anything else. So just going, so Director Rood, honestly anyone who can answer this question, how much leverage will we even have if we gave somebody a million dollars to negotiate this?

Well, I think as Mr. Sawicki mentioned, as the amount of money on the table goes down, the likelihood goes up that a developer would just seek alternate funding that didn't have as many strings attached. But I can't speak to the precise likelihood of their doing that.

Okay. That's crazy. Sorry. The mic was still on. Okay, the second question I have is we've heard the comment about labor standards. Has there been any updates to that conversation recently?

Staff is not engaging in discussions with the developers about labor standards because that wasn't part of what the NOFA was issued on. So the Trades Council, as I understand it, has been speaking with all of them. Staff has not been privy to those negotiations.

Is there a way that we can do that? I would love to see that.

I am not sure.

Maybe I can ask a question. Right now we're being asked to direct staff to enter into negotiations. And if that happens, then there would be an application to actually build the project. At that point, it would seem to me that one could discuss labor standards at that point to see if that would be suitable. Mr. Rood?

I agree that it is much more likely that a developer would be able to make binding commitments about labor standards when they knew that they had a viable project. meaning that they had advanced into the application process, had secured adequate funding, and were confident that they were moving forward. So I would agree with you that that would be a point that could be negotiated as part of the funding award. We're unlikely to get binding responses at this point, at this stage of development, from any of these developers, I believe. If they were inclined to make them, they would have made them already in their conversations with the Trades Council.

But that is something that could be discussed in the future, regardless of whether they get any kind of funding or not. Yeah, okay.

Don't you love an unfunded mandate? Okay. Yeah, exactly. So I think to some of the comments you've heard from the committee, we only have $5 million, right? So we get that. If we had $100 million, it would be better because we have more control over this. But I think yielding our control, whether it be over labor issues or over anything else, is we need to maximize what we can do. Otherwise, we end up with something we don't want at the waterfront. That's my concern. That is a really difficult thing for me, is to have something that residents don't want at the waterfront at the waterfront. And I'm listening to hear how we do that. Because we're awarding free money, but they're going to build their product, they own the land. So I'm concerned about that piece, and I haven't quite heard that communication, so that's where I'm coming from with it. Again, mine is about control of that project, understanding that some are gonna give up, they're gonna give up, and that's okay, right? If everybody gives up and SAHA does the labor and does the proper thing out there at the project site, they get all the money, because everybody else has walked away. That's my concern, I'm listening to the council members, but that's what I'm trying to figure out is how we control that. Understanding what staff said, a million dollars is, well, not to the developers, not a lot of money, a lot of money to me, but that's the concern that I have.

So, I mean, I just think this drags it out, and we've talked about this a heck of a lot. So I would like to go ahead at this point, and I'd like to make a motion to direct staff to award the $5 million to Saha. Do I hear a second?

Madam Mayor, we know that mayors don't make motions.

I think I am allowed to make a motion. Madam City Attorney?

Our council rules say the mayor doesn't do that. Yeah, I thought the council...

Our council rules provide that generally the chair of the meeting doesn't make a motion, but they don't preclude it expressly.

Okay, so would my motion stand then?

Yes, under our current rules.

All right, then I make that motion. Is there a second?

Madam Mayor? Yes. I'd like to provide a friendly amendment. All right.

Can we do friendly?

First of all, do you second it? There's no second, that's what I'm saying. Can you make a friendly amendment?

So you can make a friendly amendment at any time. We don't have a motion on the floor quite yet. If he's asking for a little discussion, that's up to you as the chair whether to entertain sort of his comments on discussion or whether you want to just call for a second. Could he second it and make a friendly amendment to that is that I don't know what he's asking Well councilmember Walker Griffin do you want to wait and to see if there's even a second to put this motion on the floor before you ask for amendment or do you want to Have more discussion with the mayor before there's a second and then she can decide sort of Wait and see our track my family minute.

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Okay, so then is there a second? No? Okay, that dies.

Okay, so then I'll make a motion that we fund two projects for the same reason. We need to get some leverage here. We'll do Eden and Saha. I want to add the labor discussion piece in there under AB, to the extent that the law will allow, because that way if it doesn't allow it, then we have the answer. So we'll add AB 2021. 11, 2011 to that. So it's those two funded plus the labor portion of it.

And point of clarification, are you funding like 2.5 million and 2.5 million?

Correct. Okay. I'm just splitting it because again, I think we need to work on how these issues work out.

Okay. Is there a second to that?

I second that motion.

Okay, so there's a motion here to fund Saha and Eden Eats with $2.5 million and to add, Madam City Attorney, a condition or a discussion about the labor negotiation?

Sure. Yeah, that's actually what I was going to ask for clarification on. So AB 2011 is a streamlining statute. It allows for ministerial approval of certain projects that comply with labor requirements. So maybe, Councilmember Bailey, what I'm feeling is that you're asking for some discussion about labor issues as part of the negotiation process.

As you guys start that process, the things specifically are things like health care for employees. It's all the things that we all value as employees. So I'll give you a list of the things that are covered there. It's prevailing wage, compliance with this particular ordinance, and then it's also apprenticeship programs as well. So it goes to make the project help people have jobs. It cycles through. It recycles through.

Okay, so we have that motion on the floor. So we have a first, a second. Any discussion? No. Madam City Clerk, can we take a roll call vote, please?

Council Member Grimsley. Aye. Council Member Butter, aye.

Aye.

Council Member Bailey.

Aye.

Vice Mayor Walker-Griffin.

Aye.

And Mayor Kelly. Aye. Motion passes 5-0.

Everyone, thank you very much. And that... So, Madam, Mr. City Manager, so do we have to close out this meeting and then start the other one? What do we do now?

Correct. We need to adjourn before we start the next regular section.

Okay, so we'll adjourn for 10 minutes, and then we'll have the 7 o'clock meeting.