Public Works Committee - Regular Meeting

Tell me when you're ready. [laughter] I'm talk flows all day. Uh go ahead.

Okay. We're going to go ahead and call the 5:00 meeting uh to order for public works October 28th. A couple more days until Halloween. I I trust everybody's got their candy and they are ready to rock. Uh unlike me, I got to go get it tomorrow. I think I have to go to uh one of our establishments in Hendersonville and pick some up. Um anyway, uh we have an acceptance of the agenda. If there's no objection or any additions or deletions, we'll just go ahead and dispense and or so order it. Uh we'll move on down to the minutes. Um I will say before the actual meeting, Mr. Martin is not Alderman Martin, Mike Martin is not here this evening. And so, uh, I will be voting on on issues as I normally do, but I'll be either the motion, uh, well, no, I'll be the m the second instead of the motion maker. Um, unless there's a a real serious issue that is well, all issues are serious when it comes to public works, but you get my drift on that. So, I'll need a motion for the minutes.

So, moved. Okay. And I second that. There been a proper motion, a proper second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor of uh approving the M minutes by saying I. I. All oppose. It passes unanimously. On to the citizens comments. Um we have what? Oh, John. Um you're the only one that signed up and I think we I think we even asked and we asked her and she declined. And you know what? Maybe you should speak for her because I I feel guilty when somebody a lady is waiting.

Well, I appreciate that. I respect that because I was raised the same way. But I have her down and and she's ready to do and she she knows you know what what we're doing. So So well, the floor is yours. Go ahead. Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh the light's still there. It as the leaves fall, it is getting brighter and brighter in my house. Uh, ultimately it comes down to this. I stated I didn't want that thing put there with the adjustments. It's not no longer a street light. It is a yard light at this point.

Um, if this was truly what the city policy is inside the same subdivision at the corner of Arrowhead and Drake Creek, which is far busier road, there's no light there. And then with Yeah, that's right. There's no light there. So, ultimately, it comes down to this. Y'all just stuck a It's not it. There's no reason for it at all. If it is to help the police locate where a street is, it is probably the worst way to do it because the overhead light will actually prevent the police officer from actually seeing the street sign.

Okay. There's a better way of locating intersections. Uh the fire department does something similar with fire finding fire hydrants. They put out what's called Smurf. It's a little blue reflector that you stick down in the road. You stick a reflector in the road and that notifies you. Now, the rumor is one of the reasons why we got the stop lightss was because the police department couldn't find Flint, which I'd be surprised if that's the case because I'm sure the officers are better trained than that. Um although I did see one of them trying to find Flint and he actually turned around in it. [laughter] But ultimately there's better ways of identifying intersections and you're just it's affecting the security cameras at my house at this point which has caused other issues at this point. Um because now the Amazon guy can walk up to my front porch and drop off stuff and if it's after dusk that security camera can't read it at all and that happens there I have a blind spot from dusk until significantly into dawn

because of it. You know, I'm sure somebody spoke to, you know, if we take the light down, that's a liability issue. If something happens in my security blinds, I thought that's a liability issue as well. Basically, when the survey went out, majority of the people who called in stated they didn't want it, and then the young man who answered the phone calls basically assured us that he didn't think the project was going to go through. So, I'm sure word got out in the neighborhood that that was the case. So, nobody followed through because, hey, somebody at the city said this project's not going to happen. The other part of it is in in the lower part of the neighborhood on Arrowhead, two of the street lights aren't even pointed on the road. They're actually overhanging two people's driveways. In a similar situation, the light is angled towards the street, but it's also angled between two people's driveways. And as a taxpayer, I'm not exactly pleased with the thought of paying for a couple of people's nightlights. And I definitely don't want my tax dollars being spent on something that I didn't want.

Okay. And again, this is not not upset with any of y'all. It just everybody like it's like, well, it's their fault. It's third fault. You know, [clears throat] and I'm sure none of y'all would want this thing in your yard.

Um, I will say this. I know that Alderman Martin had some questions that he wanted to discuss about it. Um, because I think all of us have or at least he and I we went separately, but we we went out there and observed it. But, um, he's not here. So, and I know that he had some issues with this um and wanted to [snorts] discuss it. Um so, unfortunately, the only thing I can tell you since he is not here, right?

But, uh and I take responsibility for that uh to do what I'm getting ready to do is I'm going to have to put this on the agenda for next time to to discuss it because he's obviously not here. and um and [clears throat] and if I would have known that uh that he wasn't going to be here earlier, you know, this month, we probably could have arranged something for him. We could have had a special call meeting or something like that. But I but I didn't know this, you know. Yeah. I've dealt with this for like over a little over 60 days at this point. Yeah. And and I hate to tell you that, but that's just the reality of it. I mean, that's Yeah.

life. Okay. Well, and I'm sorry. And you um you know, cuz you know, one of the things that I think that uh um Alderman Robertson and I do believe is we don't like the way slow government is, but this is an a prime example of why. I was feeling like I'm getting slowed at this point. And I know I know you feel that way, but that's why I wanted to tell you right up front what it was going to be. Well, I appreciate that. But we're not. Um, so when's the next meeting? The next one will be at the uh end of Well, we don't know because Yeah, Christmas.

Yeah, Christmas is coming. But I'll tell you what, do we have your phone number um that we can call him? I think it's on all the emails. Okay. But I was going to say, why don't you just put it down right there and then that way we can call you. I'll even call you or somebody will to let you know when that is. Um because I know we've got some meetings that are I think for November are cancelled because of what? Thanksgiving. We have November 18th.

November 18th. Okay. Um we might be meeting at our normal for that if it's since it's the 18th. Thank you. But but in the meantime, within the next we'll find out and and promise you there will be no decision made until you're here and then we'll figure it out and then we'll see what his questions were. Um but um but that's all that I really can say because he's not here to fair discuss it and I'm just sorry but I'd rather know you have you right. know firsthand right now. That's why I didn't say anything because he's not here,

right? And but I know he has several questions on it. So, okay. Um I thank you again for coming and I'm, you know, again, I apologize, but that's just, you know, the way this blasted government works. I get it. Can I stick around for a little bit more? I love hearing this. You sure can. I don't You can stay here all all the way through it. It's probably not that long, but Yeah. And but if you do get bored, if we if it's that way, you can stick stick around and this stuff is fascinating. I don't know why.

Yeah. Well, no, that I know the feeling more than you realize. Okay, we're going to go on with uh uh there's no citizens comments other than that. Um, thank you for coming for uh uh tonight for We We try We usually have two more, but they're not here tonight. I don't know where they went or they may uh not be coming tonight. Two other alderman, but okay, let's go on. Since there's no citizens comments, we have ordinances, resolutions. We've got a resolution uh 2025-40 that is sponsored by our good friend Alderman Evans who is here tonight. Uh and it's on roads acceptance of streets on Durham Farms phase 33 31 and phase 4 section 33 34 in Hendersonville uh Tennessee. I need a motion. I moved.

All right. And I properly second. So there's been a proper motion proper second. Any further discussion on the uh streets and Durham Farms? And I guess assume you looked at them and they're all they're all complete. Yep. I walked them and they look good. Okay. So you walked them and they look good. Good deal. Like to hear that. Any further discussion on the mot hearing? None. Is everybody ready to vote? All in favor of resolution 202540 which is a resolution accepting the dedication of the streets in Durham Farms phase 3 section 31 phase 4 section 33 and 34 in Hendersonville County Tennessee. signify by saying I I all oppose passes unanimously.

Okay. [clears throat] Then we have um on number two is a resolution sponsored by Alderman Evans was uh 202541 a resolution accepting the dedication of the completed streets of Anderson Point in Hendersonville, Sar County, Tennessee. So got a motion and a second. There's a proper motion and second. Any further discussion on the uh motion? Um looks good. Looks good. Vote. Looks good. All right. Yes, sir.

All right. Hearing any other discussion on the motion here? None. Is everybody ready to vote? All in favor of resolution 202541, which is a resolution accepting the dedication of the completed streets of Anderson Point in Hendersonville, Sar County, Tennessee. Sig saying I

I passes. All oppose. passes unanimously. Okay. Then we have one more and I don't Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. Where the mayor is. I thought he might he told me that if he didn't have something he was involved with, but he was he wanted to say something about this, but we'll leave that to you, I guess, if we have any discussion on it. Sure. This is a uh by mayor or uh Clary with resolution 202542 was a resolution to approve the payment pavement management plan for the city of Hendersonville. Need a motion? So move to second. Okay. Discussion s.

Yeah. So um staff's put this together uh to document the methodologies with which we establish the annual paving plan um and other maintenance treatments um that we utilize and um to um document the proposed um annual budget for paving and maintenance for our roadway and in an effort to um to continually improve the overall condition of our pavements within Hendersonville. bill. All right. Um, Mayor, did you have anything to say? I just heard you saying negative things about I did. I just I wanted to wait until you got here.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Um, like this is a way for us to to prolong the life of our roads and uh actually um and actually extend the uh the funds we have for roads. So, be very helpful. All right. Um any I have a question. What what is the minimum that we need to pay to get the discount uh with our contract? So there's an annual escalator on that. Um I'm sure your numbers take that into account. They do. Yes. Yes. Oh, that. So, what this is, if we pave a certain amount

Mhm. they're going to give us more bonus. They're going to pay more. Correct. Yes. We get to utilize a bracket for higher volume that costs a little bit less. So, it is Yeah, it's a discount. And so, um the minimum for this fiscal year is um 4 million. just over four million and then there's a 3% escalator on that every year. Okay. So, of this amount uh the the 26 budget uh right at 7 million, how much of that is state street from the state? I believe we have uh roughly 1 million in there from the state.

Just 1 million. That includes the PIP funds, right? Too. Uh no, state street aid is No, no, no. as far as the 6ix9ine. Yes, that's right. Okay. Okay. I didn't write I I was in the process of writing but it went 4 to 7 million. What are we doing it now this year? 4 million is it that we're spending the total budgeted amount is roughly 6.9 million. Okay. Seven and then but we've spent what

um I don't have that number tonight. The four million is based on the the um minimum effort that the minimum amount that we have to spend with Rogers Group to to get a discount. I got you. Okay. All right. I just Okay. Gotcha. So, we got seven in the budget. Um state street aids a million and Okay, that's good. I know I know when I first was elected, that's what I heard complaints of paving and I that they're getting fewer and fewer. Oh, that that means that means our investment is paying off. Exactly. You know,

I mean, because I think Eddie's exactly right. That's that was, you know, it was at drainage years ago and now we've with this storm water drainage program that we have. We've been knocking that out and that was that's I mean I still get them, but it they're practically non-existent now, which I'm, you know, very pleased with that. We still have a few, but then then this paving came up and then and then under um Mayor Clar's administration, we've lowered that considerable amount. Now, we still get paving just because of the wear and tear of the streets and the weather and you can't stop that, but they're slowly, you know, not as heavy phone calls as we used to get. So, that's that's very good. So, we just need to try to keep it going, which we will do that.

So, uh Sarah, uh I really think that the the uh ceiling of the center line, the seam ceiling is really paying dividends. Uh when I look at the interstates, most of the bad parts are at that seam. So, we're are we continuing to do that? Continuing to seal the seams. Yes. On the pavement. As part of what's proposed in here, we would be prioritizing roadways every year to do some crack sealing, which is what that would would be.

So, this budget is is not only paving, but it's repair, it's patches, it's that that ceiling of the seams and all of that. Yes. Yeah. This would be the pavement management. Okay. So, it would be maintenance uh rejuvenation as well as paving strategic plan, right? Yes, sir. So, one of the ways Sar explained this to me months ago was that essentially we're putting sort of a sunscreen on our roads and it's so we're going to prolong them because the the the road the the the heat is one thing not amount of uh u number of times the tires go over is another thing and then the weight of the vehicles is another thing but if we can reduce the heat as it impacts those roads we we will prolong this

I want to thank the staff and the mayor too for the money that we've spent in paving Creekwood We we've done a great job. We spent a lot of money paving that neighborhood. I think there's just maybe one or two streets left and I see that it's in the 26 budget, I believe. So, I I want to thank the staff for addressing the neighborhoods in the city. Thank you for that. Job well done public works and the mayor of course. I'll see you not

anyway. So anyway, and uh we really do appreciate but we appreciate the the mayor and the staff that the and the hard and especially in public works the hard work and efforts that you all do and I know some with us. I know you all might get tired of it or maybe not. I don't know. But it it means a great deal to me and I appreciate all of you. Just don't have Trace change his phone number. I've got him on speed dial. We know where he lives. We've been talking about getting him a new phone, but keep the same number. Yeah. I do have a question if I may.

So, I was just asking uh Jesse about the 6.9 for this year, 1 million is the State Street, roughly 2 million is the PIP fund, and 3.9 for this year is nonoperating, meaning it's coming from reserves. Correct. So, it means that we don't really have anything in the operating budget. And so, I'm assuming that what this would do is we either we're going to have to work some magic uh in finding the funds within the operating or we're going to keep dipping into the non uh operating reserves. That's a problem. Exactly. Yeah.

And I know that I think we were going to have a conversation about, you know, how we're paying for all this. I do have a question about the 28 budget though because the other budget years you're roughly at 6.8 6.9 but you dip down to 5.9. What's the reason why we would cut that back a million dollars in one year when the rest of them are consistent? So, if you look at the list of the streets, the the plan actually has the list of the streets. And so, each year based on the age of the street and some other factors, there's a priority [clears throat] list. And so, they're not consistent every single year based on when they were done the previous time. So, if you go and look at that list, it has every street section in there. So, it's

now that list is subject to change. So, it's obviously a plan. Sarah will take the public works team out and usually I go as well, right? and we'll assess that like we'll put boots on the ground and drive every street and so we shift those numbers around but that's our best estimate for what's coming in a couple is that possibly like is that the back end of the first round of tip and the paving of of the roads and everything and you're picking it back up again in 29 we wish yeah it it wasn't really determined so much on where a funding source is coming from but what the pavement condition is so the goal would be is that your year you're so I think what you're getting at is why isn't it the same it seem to be more consistent the same. I think once the the plan is established,

it will be more consistent year. Okay. But the minimum we need to do to get the discount from the contractor is around $4 million plus a 3% perom. Yes. Increase. That's that's the minimum. We got to find the money from somewhere to at least do that. Okay. I don't see us ever getting that. I don't think we could. We We have 300 miles roads. Yeah, roughly. Yeah. So, it's it would just be hard to get there. I mean, unless we did 16 million next year, maybe, you know, and I don't see that happening.

Good. Thank you. Yeah. I don't I don't ever I agree with you, mayor. I don't ever see that happening. And ideally, we get to the point that every road would get repaved between 8 and 12 years. We have some roads that need every eight years and some roads that can go a little bit longer. Right. Yeah. Hopefully with this this uh paving plan that we've got that will extend a lot of the roads, you know, long [clears throat] term because I I I firmly believe in that, you know, that that that is a reality and and I think it's proven us that we're doing the right thing. So, yeah.

All right. Any uh other discussion on the um on this motion at all? Uh then and this will be coming to the board I guess what in when we meet again in two is it two weeks? No, it's three three weeks. 18th, right?

And it Yes, it is the 18th. We're not meeting. Um we just had a discussion about that. Um but it'll be I guess up the next agenda at the board. Um all right. Um the resolution is 202542 resolution to approve the pave pavement management plan for the city of Hendersonville. Um hearing no uh further discussion is everybody ready to vote? All in favor of resolution 202025 signify saying I I oppose passes unanimously. All right we we did our ordinances and resolutions. Um, we're on to other agenda items and uh we have 11 or well, yeah, basically 11 other items. Uh, let's go with a trash collection update.

Um, thankfully not much to report. Again, the misses are still um historically low. Um, I would just like to highlight the fact that we have a new dispatcher with Waste Pro who has been incredible. Um and they've been very proactive in their communications and have really um been also very uh good with getting the crews back out for the misses. Um almost every day in the afternoon now I'll look in our tracking system and there will be no open reported misses which is amazing. So

well that's really good. Um I have not had any calls on on misses of trash. I mean, usually I get one or two, you know, just because that's this the animal that it is, you know, but they've they've been dead on on their trash on that. I appreciate that. And um so any discussion on that? Thank you. Thank you. Mhm. Yeah. I mean, really that

a huge thank you cuz you know this time of year, you know, with the cold it starts getting that way, it's sort of like summer. Sometimes it gets too way hot. But, uh, they've done well. So, let's just keep our fingers crossed and they're let them do their magic. All right. Let me hear no discussion. Um, Alman Evans, do you have any discussion on the No. Okay. Um, let's go with the uh traffic and parking committee. Um, I guess it's dealing with Main Street and Clear View. I saw the paint. Yay. There. Looks good.

I saw all that. And they were very appreciative. Yes, they were. Yeah. And I saw that and the street light at stop 30. So, we'll just I'll let you do the A and B and tell us about all that. Okay. Um, so as far as Main Street and Clear View Circle, as you mentioned, the pavement markings have been installed. Um, if a sign hasn't been installed now, we're still waiting on the delivery. I think that we are still waiting on the sign. Um, so that'll go up, but the pavement markings really I think are more impactful. So, um, from our perspective, we would consider that that complete. Okay. And that's on the clear view, right? Yes, sir. Okay. Good.

Yeah. And then as far as um the street light um you mentioned we were going to discuss that. Yes. Thank you. I don't know where my head was right there. So I have to look down. Any my apologies on that. [snorts] And my next question. Okay. we put that if we would put that down at um for our agenda next I'll put a for next time. Yes, I'll I'll make a note of that.

Okay. Uh Creekwood subdivision. Um so based on uh our last meeting, the meeting before um we did send out letters to the residents um to seek input if they wanted to comment on the um potential application of pavement markings um for traffic calming. Um and then also um in between those time frames um one of the residents has has provided a petition um for pavement markings but a different alternative. Um and so based on the responses that we received from our letters, we received nine total. Um there were five that were in favor and four that were against um the pavement markings. That's out of 180 people. Um, now for the petition that was provided for pavement markings, um, again, it was a little bit different. So, what we proposed is two 10-ft drive lanes with a 4ft, um, shoulder area, if you will. Um, and so what has been proposed for the petition was um, two 9 ft drive lanes and they were proposing um, I think it was two 4ft

Yeah. um sidewalk markings, sidewalkish, pedestrian walkway, I guess. Um someone almost called it a shoulder, but regardless, um based on that, when I tallied what had been provided, um there were 88 that were in favor and 92 that we had no response on, which I would I would count as a no. Um, so you have the petition. Okay. I just bring I don't think it's the final final, but it's the one he gave us last meeting. Maybe the same as what he turned into me. Oh, it doesn't have the names.

Yeah, it does. Does it? That is um what is the gentleman's um he lives on? Yes. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sarah, what's the recommendation as far as the the professionals your your team having 10-ft driving lanes and one 4 foot versus 29 and two fours? We would not uh recommend the 9 foot driving. Okay. Yeah.

Is that a committee recommendation or is that just public works? um public works, MUTCD, Ashtto. Um but that we haven't discussed that specifically in traffic and parking because our recommendation was for 10 foot. Would you take that to the committee? We could before our next meeting. We could

I would like the committees because the committee includes PD and fire department as well. Alman Robertson, are you in favor of the two 10 foot4 or are you uh well, what's what's the precedent? Do do we have neighborhood streets that have the dual markings, the pedestrian markings? What what's our practice?

Um we did at Jefferson Drive, we did two 10-ft drive lanes and we did um we marked it as a bike lane. Um and it was a 4ft bike lane, but one one bike lane not on both sid That's what I'm asking. On have we done it on both sides of a of a neighborhood street?

No, we have not. generally you don't have sufficient pavement with um and honestly even if even if fire and police said that 9 ft 9 ft u marked lanes would be sufficient I'm not confident there really is sufficient pavement width consistently through the crosssections to allow for that

well I want to get the committee's recommendation I would I would like to know what the committee's recommendation. Okay. Uh so does T dot approve a 9 ft roadway. So I was not familiar with that. I did have our traffic engineer look into that and he did find an old crosssection that T DOT had. Um the city it does not in my opinion it does not meet current guidance for um drive lane widths for um for public streets in general. Can I say this? You know, one of the [clears throat]

I'm just going to be blunt. One of the the things that we've heard from this neighborhood is that we're not treating them the same we would as we have other areas. And I think what you're saying, Sarah, is that in other areas, other wards, we've had the same issue and we've gone with 10 foot, 10 foot, 4 foot. and to be consistent and to say this is the way we handle in all other areas and it's been consistent. I think that's the way we go and I think that's the way the committee needs to look at it. Yeah. That's why I asked if there's a precedent.

I I do. I think that's important, but I still want the committee's input as a committee, not just public works. Okay. Uh and uh but but no, I I think uh uh well, I want to wait whole judgment, you know, until I get the report from the committee. Okay. But uh who else is on that committee? It's um police, fire, planning, and public works. Okay. Thanks. Uh, I used to have a CDL and drove some of the school buses for the county. Some of those school buses are 8 and 1/2 ft. Yeah.

Width. So, you're only talking about 3 in variance. And if they're making a turn, that's a twoft swing out of the back end of the bus. So that'd be like that's theory. And I [clears throat] think the fire trucks are even wider. That's why I want input from Yeah. from the safe. No, I think you're right, Eddie. I think that's the thing to do. What the way to approach it because it really covers as far as this committee. That's that's my right

concern is that it in the city it covers I mean it not going to say it's cya but it just covers everybody and uh that was a real good question about the president because I I was going to ask that um and but if you can put that on for the next uh will that give you enough time to to visit the that other what's the other committee again just traffic Trump and parking. We meet on Friday. Oh, that'll be good. That'll be good. All right.

So, uh, Alderman Evans, we're going to put that again for the um agenda for our next meeting. Okay. And then we we'll be able to find He has also asked for speed hops. So, would the would the committee consider that request as well? I know what the answer's going to be, but just so that we can Yeah, I Yeah, we definitely can. But with that being the single singular access Yeah. to that area, it's going to be hard. I I agree for fire access. It's that would be

that would not be a safe condition. But the survey that public works did, there were five for it and that was a single pedestrian lane, right? That's right. Five were for it and four were against it. Yes. Okay. Those that were against had some commentary go along with it. Yeah. I would like I would like to see I would like to see the the survey results. Okay. So, Sarah, have you heard back yet anything on the the traffic um study? Have you heard anything back yet on that? Are you ready to prepare? I mean to to speak on that. Sure. Yeah. So it was very similar. Okay.

Um which makes sense because there's no new connectivity, no growth. Um so it was um just barely cross the threshold for even qualifying for traffic calming, which is 500 vehicles per day. And then um the um ADT, that was the ADT, I'm sorry. Um the uh 85th percentile was 37 miles per hour and the previous one was 36 I believe. Okay. So close. Yes. Very close. And there was one outlier outliner at 53 miles or something. Yes. Yeah. You know, which is common. And when you say um it was just beyond the

having a discussion about calming measures, what would be the first step as far as calming measures, the paving of the lines? Yes, they're the least expensive and they have proven to be effective in other areas. And then beyond that, if there's anything else you would do, it would it would have to the numbers would need to be higher to warrant a step up of whatever that calming device might be. Typically, the way we would address that is um we would do a follow-up study. Okay. If there were still concerns that it had addressed a problem. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir.

Okay. That is interesting because um I was trying to think here while y'all were talking. I don't know of any the any I mean we've had some traffic what we've deemed traffic calming but um it's it's been very small but it's been effective you know small things but the speed bumps I just I don't we I don't know that we've ever done that and and I don't think on this particular project that it warrants it. I really don't. [snorts] But that's just me. One of the things that Monday the HOA did creek is they purchased solar powered speed limit signs that shows the speed of the ped of the car.

And according to a couple of the neighbors that live near that sign, it's it's worked. Yeah. So, a lot of our older neighborhoods don't have H. They don't have that ability to do it. I might be interested in a budget to look at being able to have in our inventory when when it's justified the placement of those signs under some strict parameters.

Okay. So if if if you could not now but for the next budget if you could kind of get a ballpark figure of the cost of solar powered kind of hate to go down that track but we got to do what we can to try to control speed in neighborhoods Creekwood all of them. I mean I I get complaints from all neighborhoods that people speeding but in Autumn Creek these seem to work. Do they work in uh No, they don't work in. It's a long street. You know, people have short memories. They see it when they get in that. Oh, yeah. I'm going 60. Yeah. So, no. Okay. Thank you.

I have time to pick it up on their way on the backs. [laughter] Yeah. Don't worry, the others get Yeah. All right. Any further discussion on that? Hearing uh Creekwood, we'll move both the seven and eight. Um we'll move on to facilities assessment and plan verbal update on that.

So we have a a draft facilities assessment um that staff put has put together. Um there it details out the 18 facilities that we own and maintain. Um, historically the different facilities have been maintained by the individual departments and so there hasn't up until this point there's never been a centralized document I don't think that really kind of details all of them and provides some information about each of them. Um, and I mean the view is similar to the payment management plan and infrastructure resiliency plan that this and transportation capital improvement plan. This really gives us um some vision for what needs to be prioritized moving forward to make sure that we're properly maintaining our facilities and um and addressing any any issues that we have identified. Again, this is a draft. We have um through the compilation of this have identified an area um of need that we'll be adding into the the next draft that we um that we bring before you. it.

So I have a question. Work conditions and safety Mhm. is second highest rated weighted. Yes. Why why why would safety conditions not be the number one weighted issue? It's a good question. Um, I guess when we were looking at um kind of the demands and how things um worked out, when we were when we were looking at the way things were weighted and what the final rankings would be, what we already knew to be problems,

um, this current way that they're weighted did seem to um to rank them appropriately. like the one that we know of Drake's Creek Maintenance Shop where we had the mold and and issues identified, it still was ranked as a very high priority. And part of that is in those facilities where you have um some of those other issues, generally they will be our older facilities. Um and they'll have some of those other contributing factors and the weights that that also contribute to being prioritized, I guess, is the best answer I could. Yeah, I know the the cart barn at Country Hills. Mhm. We moved on that because there was an engineering report said it was dangerous.

Yes. And the liability if something would have happened to an employee out there or a player with that building, then we would be after that report. So, I I would like for the staff to consider equalizing those two 30% each. I don't know how you would how you would downgrade one other one, but I I just don't think [snorts] I don't think the the the narrative that safety is the second most important issue for consideration is a good one. Okay. So, just that that's my comment on the ranking criteria. Okay.

Okay. When we get that another draft, is there going to be a final uh instead of a draft, but a final uh report? Yes, I would imagine we bring this back with a resolution similar to the other plans that we've been putting together. And do you anticipate that what next year or like in January sometime or something like that? Actually November, December, I would think. I was just thinking, you know, with the holidays, you know, whether, you know, we would have time, but that's fine with me. It would be good to have it um approved, adopted before budget.

Yeah, I was going to say that. Yeah, cuz when do we start looking at budget? Um I know y'all probably already are or getting ready to with it being um November. Yeah, we'll start looking at midyear. Typically, we'll start looking at midyear. part in January because we're typ you know we're a month behind on um sales tax collection. So we don't get that information till a month after and same with expenses. By the time people bill us and we pay them, we're not showing those expenses until we pay them. So we have to get past the midyear before we can really look at what our revenues, okay, are actually for half of the year expenses, right?

And that was kind of, you know, I think the draft is good and we can tweak it a little bit with with rankings. That's rather simple to do. I think the bigger priority for for us on this, just like the transportation plan is, you know, it's great. It looks looks very professional. Casey did a good job with that. Sarah and her team did a good job, you know, analyzing the buildings, but then the question comes down to how do we fund the improvements? And so, I think that's the point of this. This is to introduce you to this. This was the goal of mine to get this done this year. So, really hope that we do. Um, but we have to get some direction from the board on how we fund this priority, whether that's through debt, whether we set aside funds every year, a percentage of funds, um, whether we just use fund balance and and we take these projects on as needed. But I think that's kind of where we we'd want some guidance from this. [clears throat] We have a a plan, you know, an assessment,

right? But, you know, the lynch pin is the funding to to move on the assessment. And so, that's I think an important piece of what we put in this policy or we just leave it out of the policy and we say well, you know, as needed, we'll fund these projects. But there's a lot of money wrapped up in these buildings. You know, the police building is, I think, number one on the list. It's very expensive building to do. um you know any more just the little fire station we did was over $5 million and the land was donated to us. So the price tag on these buildings is rather significant. It's worth considering how he funds.

So you're we're not going to discuss the individual projects here, right? Do you want a discussion on those? If you if you have things you would like to discuss, I think that's so the police annex building, that's the number one according to the assessment. Correct. Yes, ma'am.

And is the police annex building a safe building to work in as far as asbestous and all the all the I mean, it's an old building and is it still a safe building? um our building maintenance staff um ranked it as a very high priority as far as work conditions. Um and I don't know necessarily that that was I don't I don't have notes that that was related to air quality. Um but due to the age of the building and the change in construction standards and things like that there there is a lot that needs to be addressed

and and staff is estimating just to replace the annex is $20 million.

Yeah. Yes. I think that the way that that was determined um was so it was determined that way because the main police building um and the annex both kind of operate are comprise where our police work out of. And so staff reviewed what new police stations um were going for basically and adjacent municipalities and then based on the square footage determine the cost based on that. So your this estimate is both buildings, [snorts] the annex and the other and the main building. No, the 20 million would just be for the annex. Okay.

And then the 30 million would be for the other parties. Yeah. Yeah. Now, currently on that annex, we don't use it all. So we have a basement. I mean it used it's used for storage. So if we were to just replicate the office space in there, that building size could diminish from what you know from the square footage. We don't necessarily need a working basement. Uh I think, you know, 20 million might get us the whole building, the basement, the the attic, the the main level, you know, the core room. Um you know, at a very high level,

it's a big wish list. And I have to think also like just looking at the police annex building and the repair cost that's 4 million. You think every year how much do they does do our employees spend on just fixing things just to make it um operational in there. So you get those funds back by not spending that if you replace all this stuff, repair it properly and not having to fix it every year. We should also I guess these costs are estimating building a facility,

but I hope staff is constantly looking at empty commercial buildings in the city that might have an application. You know, instead of building something from the ground up, buy an existing building large enough for all PD and then refitting the inside of it. that that might be a cheaper way to go. Yeah, I think I'm hope that's what we did here.

I'm hopeful that that's what kind of the conversation that you know we have a fail facilities assessment. I think that's you know we've done a lot of the heavy lifting for what we can do but that direction on yeah do we do we want to spend 30 40 50 million on a new police building or would it make more sense to to add on to fix up maybe to find a vacant building like you're saying Mr. Robertson and and move over there instead? Okay. Okay. [laughter] So, fire fire station. Uh, okay. It it right. It's the newest. Mhm.

Facility stats, replacement cost. Okay. You're just saying if we have to replace the whole building. Yes. Okay. Just based on what we know. Okay. So, we we spent approximately 6 million.

Okay. Okay. Would would this committee like us to add maybe a couple of options, you know, for financing, what a set aside would look like? Um, you know, if if debt uh financing is, you know, kind of pros and cons of of different types of financing when when we do the report. [snorts] me. Yeah. I mean, all the information that we can would be helpful, but if it, you know, it t but like if it taxes the the, you know, y'all the people who are doing it that they, you know, that we've got so much to do, we'll address it at that point. But if you've got the time to do it, yeah, I think it's beneficial because it gives us an idea of where we got where we really need to go. And um but that's just my opinion. I don't know. How do you feel about them doing it? Does it matter to you?

Well, yeah, the money matters, but uh

I don't I don't think I want that kind of assessment at this level. uh you know that that's something that once we come up with with a you know with the the final approval then the next step I think would be coming up with ways to finance you know maybe one or two of the projects and uh take those probably to finance committee start there and go but uh I think I'd like to see this cleaned up a little and and so you've You've assessed every building that we have. Yes.

But so so I guess at this time I'm not ready to get into the financial the nitty-gritty on the finances. Uh I think the first step is to come up with a clean assessment facility and you know outline the buildings that need to be addressed and our estimated cost and then we take that to the board from this committee and then after that then I think it goes to finance you know all right how do we finance it okay does that sound reasonable Jesse yes sir I I that's some type of direction I think you You know, with the price tag on the top three, it's significant. Yeah.

It is. What it what it outlines that outside of some type of debt issuance, it's we're we're going to have to consider a swamp lands, you know, new building. It's because the cost is significant. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. And debt is coming down. I mean, I think the Feds are getting ready to drop again. So, you know, maybe it'll keep dropping. I hope so. Yeah. But anyway, but but don't be surprised if the this committee asks you about finances, although we won't make a decision on that that has nothing to do with it, but I'll guarantee it'll be asked. Okay.

And well, we'll update the assessment. We'll look at the safety aspect of it. Um, a lot of the major safety aspects are are probably already fixed, but I we can look at that. Um, we are also adding our nonoccupied buildings in here. So, we have some buildings that weren't in here because they're not nonoccupied, but we're going to add those in here as well. So, there will be more buildings when this comes as a final version. These are are occupied buildings. We have parks buildings that are unoccupied or bathrooms out at our parks that are unoccupied, but they'll they'll be included in the list as well too. uh but this is the basic structure of it and wanted to get at least some feedback and I think the plan with uh determining maybe the top three what that total cost is and then go into finance committee after that when a clean version is I think that's logical

and and look at alternatives for finance committee hey we could purchase this building that's existing you know I I just look for the best deal for the city [snorts] deal thank you very much for that any other discussion on the facilities assessment plan. Let moving right along. Um we have the light synchronization program. How's that going? It's uh more of the same. Um the uh we're still waiting on the obligation and now that um FHWA is shut down, the federal government shut down, so it's held up there.

So beyond our control.

Yes. Yes, it is. All right. Well, I sure do hate that, but that's just typical of [laughter] that whole program. But, uh, I will say our traffic on Golden Roads, um, it's gotten a lot better, but it's still, you know, we still have a lot of traffic, and that's just due to the growth that we we have in town. And I think most people know that. But, uh, but at at our peak times, the the traffic has been a lot better. So, we'll just hopefully we'll continue on and hopefully the federal government will open their doors and we'll get back on on schedule. So, we'll just leave it at any discussion hearing none on the line. Let's go to a on our cemeteries for a verbal update for that. Super. So, uh I think it was two months ago about this. So, we have six unknown cemeteries in Hendersonville. Three of them are pretty wellmaintained. One is uh really on a farm over on Chaprael Drive. Uh one is up in front of Manser Farms, which you don't even notice it cuz it's so

um there's one over uh just gosh almost where we have construction going on at Stop 30 and um Drakes Creek Road up on a little bluff over there. That one's pretty well taken care of. The three that are the biggest biggest concerns, one is Manser Farms that is really sort of uh embedded in the woods right there and full of chiggers and full of chiggers. Uh, so somebody who had been over there and met a lot of those chiggers personally. Um, hate me a lot.

Um, that's going to be a tough one. That's really going to be a lot of work still to do. Rotary went over there, did some work there. They also did some work on Del Drive. Um, really cleaned that one up. That one is is as clean as it can be. It just needs some maintenance. And I think that um, some folks at Presbyterian Church, yes. Um, are going to go take a look at it and see if it's something that they want to take on long term. uh talked to some folks um with Rotary several times and met got very specific yesterday about the cemetery in um uh Scottish Highlands. Oh yeah.

Uh and um that is probably about I'd say it's half to 2/3 of an acre. The cemetery itself is it's not terribly large, but it's got a larger lot with the whole thing. Uh so I set up a meeting with Jimmy Batton, whose wife is a descendant of some of the folks live there, and Jimmy has been spending money to maintain that for a long time. So, we've got a meeting set up with them uh a week from Wednesday. Uh he's going to continue maintaining through the end of the year. Uh and then I'm also sending a letter, the Rotary members asked me to send a letter to the adjacent property owners just to let them know that they're interested in this. See if they if the property owners have any interest in helping out as well as just to let them know, hey, when you see somebody in the backyard, you know, that's picking up limbs or mowing mowing the grass, you know, don't be concerned. Uh it's us. Um the um I'm also still communicating with Walmart about the one in Mansco Farms. It's it's going to be a big project. Um I am very clear with everybody. The city does not own that property. The city is not going to own that property. The city is not going to take on long mid-term maintenance of the property. If somebody wants to set set some tree limbs by the road from cleaning up, we will get out there probably put in priority on picking those up. That's fine. City is not going to allow anybody to be buried on those properties. Nor do I think that we have the authority to allow anybody to be buried on those properties. What we're really looking for is sort of a a a community group or community groups that will that will act in uh uh in the in the in the name of other people later.

Do we get have we gotten any complaints from Banskr? I know that we've Jimmy has has come to the committee and ask us about the one in Scottish Highlands. But have has anybody in Manser [clears throat] complained? I think maybe once or twice in the past nine years I've gotten a phone call about it and it's more it's not from the standpoint of you're providing a habitat for wild animals. It's from the standpoint of how come the city doesn't care about you know about the folks who lived here years ago.

Well, I appreciate the approach you've taken. A lot of a lot of mayors, a lot of elected officials would have just added that [clears throat] to the cost of public works. Just go do it, you know. But you you thinking outside the box and trying to get civic organizations to adopt one of these cemeteries to try to I appreciate that. By no means should should I give you all the impression that what I'm doing right now is going to solve this problem for years to come. We could be right back here with some, you know, still trying to solve this problem, [clears throat and snorts] but I'm going to keep trying. I appreciate that.

All right. Um, you don't really realize how many cemeteries Hendersonville has until you really start think, you know, you go visit them, you know, wow, you know, and how, you know, a lot, you know, you and how important those are of a historical value, but not only to Hendersonville, but for Middle Tennessee that people came here, you know, that were direct had a result of the taking of Nashville, you know, and that kind of thing. So, it's it's it's amazing to me when you really think about it.

I don't know who said it, but it said a cemetery is like a bookstore. Every time you stop, you can find something that has a story. Yeah, that's very true.

Very true. Well, I do uh like Eddie said, I appreciate your efforts and uh and it doesn't I I think for the most part of of Hendersonville, it doesn't go unnoticed on something like that. All right. Thank you uh for doing that. Now, we have um one other thing uh before we go to other business, and that is the bridge on Saunders Fairy Road and an update for that. I know we've talked about it several times, but if we can give an update on that about the um about the the the paneling, the wood paneling that is there, the railing.

Yeah, the railing for the you know, and so if we can get an update on that now, I'm sure would appreciate it. Sure. Um so I can't remember the date now. I'm sorry. Um but we put out a request for proposals for alteration of the railings. Uh we received one response and um I believe it was right around $270,000 to replace those railings.

And that would be to take the the wood down and then put the wire in there. Is that or the the wire u the way that we the way the state does their wiring? Is that correct? Or how was that? the wood most of the wood would remain. Some of the cross um slats paneling would be removed. Um and they would have have to add in some um stiffener poles I believe. Um so they might add some poles and then they would put the wiring through. Okay. Um but the wood frame framing would still would remain.

Okay. So we've got um All right. That's so we had one response on that and that was the guy. Those were the people that worked on it. the first time. Yes.

Okay. It was 270 grand. Wow. That's a lot of That's That is a lot. Okay. Because I just just do want to say this that a lot of and and I know this doesn't affect most of Hendersonville, but it does affect the peninsula over there off of Walton Ferry and the Saunders Fairy Road that when they drive that they can no longer see the the the lake. And I know we know that we should be paying attention to the road, but um you can still peek at you can still kind of look at the the lake and see that. And uh and I know that's missed a great deal and we've had a lot of complaints about it. And uh but I was just curious is what an update because we hadn't had one in a while. And I'm sorry Mr. Martin's not here tonight to hear that because I know he I'll have to talk to him and let him know what what the status is on that. Um, so if we do proceed, let's just say that we want to now that's a lot of money, but if we want to proceed with it, then we want address it at budget time next year. Our next next budget in Okay, that's what we'll do. Okay. All right. Um Okay. If I have any other questions about it, I'll get in touch with you guys. Um is there any discussion on this?

What's the normal replacement uh interval of of that work anyway that we would have to replace it because of age? Is it 10 years, 15 years? I would probably estimate 10 for the timber. Mhm. And we're into the se second or third year now. Yes. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Well, I'll get with Mike and see because I know he represents some of that area as well as I do and [clears throat] uh and let him know and give him an update on that. But yeah, 270 grand. That's a lot. That is a lot of money and I hate to spend enough of that. A lot of that for that section right there. That's that's an expensive that's an expensive um project. Yeah.

But we'll you know I'll see what he wants to do about it and I'll talk to my I thought my colleague was in ward one was going to be here tonight but probably with his work he wasn't able to make it but I'll talk to him as well on that. I've got a a a a item that's similar to that situation that was brought to my attention. If you could look at the the traffic crossing of Spade Leaf Boulevard and Sanders Fairy Road, that is that is a neighborhood that many people walk across Sanders Fairy Road uh to get to the greenway and they say they've almost been hit several times, cars speeding. So if if you would just look at does a you know the markings in the road justify at that point.

We have evaluated that um and we actually have um we have a design a conceptual design to add a crosswalk there. Um and also a rectangular rapid flashing beacon. Oh. Um okay. And that was a project that I think has been [clears throat] submitted um for a grant application and I think that is also been held up in the shutdown. Um believe that's correct. Okay. Well, good. You're already on it. We are. Yes, sir. Excellent. Is that in Mike's or is that in my Sorry, I don't know. I think it's Mike. My word is Yeah, just across the line.

All right. It is just right across the line. Okay. Well, I'll have to pay attention to that cuz I did not know that. I thought that was Mike's, but I guess not. A lot of people use that green light. Yeah, they do. It's really nice. It's been a It's a great addition to the city. It is very Absolutely. Yeah. Well, that's good. Okay. Well, we'll um [clears throat] let's draw back and punt and see what we can come up with for that. Okay. under other of business. I've got two items and there's two items. Go ahead. [clears throat]

The first is give us an update on the traffic pattern for uh Drakes Creek uh this week with Halloween on Friday. So, what what's the I know that the utilities are trying to finish. Pedmont's trying to finish. So, can you give us an update so that we can share with Mark and I can share with our constituents?

Yes. So, um Pedmont did submit um a request to work um until dark on Thursday and Friday. Um we did from 8:30 to dark and so that would be a lane closure. Uh that would be down to one lane. Um after initial discussions, we did follow back up with them with Halloween on Friday. um and requested that they wrap up earlier. Um the work that they're doing, I mean, of course, it's gas, so it's you know, it's it's very it's kind of delicate work. Yeah. It's dangerous work. Um and so shackle, right? I mean, greed.

Once they start certain things, they, you know, they have to weld things back. Um it's a process. So, they have um provided a response saying that they will work to be um complete by 300 p.m. on Friday and they will start on Saturday morning again to finish that. So, they're going to stop at 3:00 on Friday. Was it 2:30? Mhm. 2:30 on Friday. 2:30. Yeah. They'll stop cuz the normal working time right now is 8:30 to 2:30. Okay. Maybe 3. And that's on Dre. Well, we got to know exactly because we got to communicate this. We already have a bunch of families that are already in uproar over this. So, is it 2:30 or 3? 2:30. 2:30 is what they've said. Friday.

But Thursday, expect one light. 8:30 till dark. Dark dark. And what day is that? Giving y'all numbers out to them. So, I'll be getting the website updated with that. You know, the website we've been encouraging those residents to use. I'll post it out there. We'll do the code ren. I was going to ask Trace as well if we could get a message board out just to help again get the word out to those people that don't know to check the website and look the things. So, we'll use all the vehicles we have. I'm also I have an email pulled up in my office to email the principles first thing in the morning to just let them know as well for Friday. It won't affect the buses coming in the morning, but Thursday it would probably affect transformation in the afternoon. So, we just want to make sure they copy me on that. Absolutely. To the principles. So,

yeah. Whenever there's anything like that, especially that's affecting our wards, we need to be at least apprised of that. So, I didn't even know anything went out to the the the principal or to nothing has yet. Well, it did. The mayor sent out something. Oh, at least that's what I got from Jeremy Johnson uh was talking about that. And so,

uh, whenever we're sending anything out from the city, it the alderman in that ward need to be, you know, communicated, too, cuz it caught us off guard. I didn't know anything about it. And, um, and I appreciate us going back and talking to Piedmont cuz there's always going to be a negotiation. We can't just say, "Okay, that's the way it is." Because if you've ever been out over on Drake's Creek and Durham Farms at Halloween and I'll invite you over cuz it's nuts. They come from Charlesdale County. We g we gave up 2,000 pieces of candy last year at our house. Wow. And we had to close up at 7 o'clock cuz we ran out of candy.

Yeah. Um so Sarah, uh they gave us 48 hour notice. Is that in the contract? I mean, what kind of authority, and maybe Lance can help on this, what kind of authority do we have to regulate utility work in the rideways on city streets?

Um, we don't have so for this particular work, and I think Lance has some additional context to add, but we don't have a contract with Piedmont specific to this work. Um, but I think that there's a franchise agreement with Pedmont. We don't really have a contract other than the franchise agreement which didn't uh address any of this. It was more uh for the general purposes of the franchise.

So there's nothing in in that agreement speaking to times of of work or anything like that. So I know we had this situation addressed. I'm glad of that. But I I I maybe the staff and Lance needs to look do we need do we need a little more teeth authority that you know do they have to they have to notify us right if they're going to work in the work on a right away in a city street the utility has to notify us. Well and this is not the first time either that this has happened. We've had another instance where they got out there and we're closing down lanes prior to the agreed upon time.

Yep. and we had to send people out there to. So, I appreciate again what public works has done and going out there, but we've got to have something that everybody That's right. understands and agrees before we get into this. That's right. That's why I'm bringing it up. I want I I I want a a systematic way to address this, you know, so that so that staff has all the authority that you need, you know, and a utility can't just go out and close down our streets, you know.

Yeah. So, we do have um the only ordinance I think that we have in place that I can think of would be our excavation ordinance and that is something that um we have been reviewing. Um I there's nothing that's happened that's outside of what's allowed currently. Um, and then to further complicate it, the so we don't have a contract with Piedmont, but T do DOT, this is a T.local programs project, and all the utility relocations run through the T dot utility office, and they do have agreements with the utility. And so, the utility is subject to T DOT's requirements for notification, for lane closures, things like that. and 48 hours notice is fairly standard in construction for a lane closure.

So is the state preempted city authority on that preeemption even when it's a city road? I don't know. It's what it Sarah sounds like it does. So that's why I'm asking. I would think it would. I would think it would too. I mean it's I would defer to you really. [laughter] I don't know for sure

especially when it's a state road or a state project. But even in the city road, I think a lot of that um there's I can I can research it and get you some specifics, but my gut tells me that there's pretty much I would be interested in supporting a resolution that would if if it's needed that would give us more authority on posting and also the final say on how to close row. me. I want the staff to have all the authority and not if we call the staff just says, "Well, they they they can do it, right?" You know, I I want us to be the masters of our own fate. Sure. To the extent possible. To the extent possible. Yes, sir.

Of course. Of course we are. What's that old uh cartoon that says uh you want it when that the guy's laughing? She'll update that. Get it? over my head, you know, over my head. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, except it's funnier when you're seeing it. Yeah, I guess there. But anyway, all right. That's a very good questions on this situation. But I will I normally when we have a long agenda, I as you all well know, I norally just say no report, you know, but I I will make an announcement on the trick-or-treat because that is important. and it's our children and um Oh, about about the time frame. Yeah.

Okay. Is that okay with your alderman from that time? Yeah, that that'd be great. I I have written it down. 2:30 and that's at Drake Street and it's with Pedmont Gas where they to for them to leave uh they're going to be leaving at 2:30 on Friday. On Thursday, they're going to leave at 8:30. So, is that right? No, Thursday it's 8:30. They work 8:30 a.m. until dark. Oh, until dark. Okay. 8:30. That's right. Okay. Maybe you could write down a little something. I'll also let you know something else that's going on on Friday, Halloween. Both of the schools have parade, Halloween parades, and parents are invited to come there for the parade. So, it just adds more. It's going to I'm glad I'm going to be able to tell you. I'll have him call you Eddie.

What are the schools? And I'll remind just the traffic. Uh Burus Elementary and Knox Middle School. KD. Yeah. Are they having Boris and Knox? Isn't it? It's not is Oh, Knox. That's right. Never mind. Starting to show my age. I'm not going to break KDC. Yeah. All right. And then I've got one other item that I need Mark to help us on. Uh and and we're doing this because you need to know, Mr. Chairman, this is a this is a a public works issue. Sure. And this is some complaints that we've received from parents at Burus.

Okay. Uh and so uh who wants to give the report on that? Come right ahead. Uh so uh the the there's a lot a long line when they pick up their ch children in the afternoon. Okay. Car rider line. You know that that's a new word that wasn't in vogue when I was when you and I went to school, Mark. We rode the bus a walk. That's a walk. Uh walkers.

So So So there are there there's a lot of stacking along Mustang Lane. Mustang Lane off of Drake's Creek is there by the by the uh the field and by the hockey ring. So there's a long line of so parents are are wanting the city, they're wanting the school system mainly. They're wanting the city to do something about it. So we met yesterday with the school system and we're working on we're working on trying to resolve that. Uh so at this time there's nothing more to say, but I thought you needed to know as chairman of public works. Well, thank you. That that that is an issue that's hot in board six. And so, okay,

uh, we met yesterday, uh, at the, uh, at this, where was it? At the innovation center. Innovation center. Yeah. And we met, uh, with the superintendent and with Jeremy. And, uh, there was a lot of cooperation. And so, I I I'm hopeful that we can come up with some kind of solution. So, that's just the FYI to chairman. I'll um um in fact I appreciate you saying it and I'll make sure for the record on TV and everything that you all are recognized for doing that. Um well not yet. Let's Okay. You want me to hold [laughter] the recognition yet? Let's let's wait if we can find a solution. Okay. Well, I'll I'll put that wait till January. Yeah. [laughter]

I'm not going to say a word about it then. But no, I'm glad you told me that because we've got another issue over at Maril Hyde. sometimes uh uh that the traffic over there is crazy. Um it's backed up sometimes on it gets on the main road. I didn't know this, but uh Superintendent Langford said that that's an issue at every elementary school across the whole county that there's a staging issue. It's a problem everywhere. So, I would imagine it's not anything new there at Burus.

Yeah. I one I it's just a miracle really um that it was built the way that it was. But Walton Perry, we never have that problem. We got Walton, you know, in my in my district because it it backs up, but it's got a long driveway and so they should maybe that's the way the school board should on their new school should do. I don't know. All right. Um, is there anything I won't say anything about that um is there any other business that needs to be addressed before this committee hearing? None. I just need a motion. So move to All right. And adjourn. Second 6.