Public Works Committee - Regular Meeting

All in favor of the minute signify by saying I I Okay. And with one abstension, Alderman Robertson. Okay, we've got that out of the way. Um, now for citizens comments. Um, John, are there you are. I was wondering where you were. I thought you were going to sit over here. Let the ladies go first. Okay. Well, we'll we trying to stay out of the camera. I got you. Okay. Well, okay. Avoid coming to you. We'll come back to you. Um Kathy Gerald. Yes. Gerald. Okay. And that's at Clear View Circle. Yes, ma'am. Welcome to our committee and we're certainly glad for you to come.

Yeah. Glad to be here. Glad to be here. We came to talk about the Main Street and Clear View Circle. Okay. Entrance and because we've lived in Notes. I've been there for 30 years. She's been there over 50 over 50 and traffic just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and we take our lives and dirt on hands getting out of our subdivision. So, you know, like like tonight, I mean, they're lot they get in the turning lane for Sanders Fairy before they come across the bridge. And, you know, we just it's totally locked.

Yeah. We we've just got to have some kind of resolution with for safety for all of our uh residents that live on Clear View Circle. Now we're dealing with, you know, the construction on Old Chel. So, you know, we're blocked either way we go. So, that's really what we're here for. We just want to see if we can come up with some kind of resolution to help us enter and exit our uh subdivision safely. I've been there, like I said, for 30 years. I was here in ' 94 and actually cuz my husband had we had only lived in our house a year and he got hit there. And so I came to y'all and y'all put a double yellow line in there, but nobody's paying attention to it. They still are coming across that bridge in the turning lane, you know, for the Sanders Fairy Light. So, we would like to actually ask, you know, I I think I've talked to Mark uh about this, but you know, if maybe just put a do not block intersection painted on the road, but you know, for us, I think the the safest thing would be is if if there's some way to just bring Clear View Circle out at that Sanders Fairy Light right there, you know, that would that would definitely be the safest thing for all of us since the traffic is getting it's it's never going it's not going to change. it's just going to continue to get worse.

So, I don't know if that's something that's that's, you know, you're able to do or if we could look at that and see if it's possible to bring that out at that light, that would definitely end our aggravation, wouldn't it, Mary? It definitely would. If even if an ambulance tried to go in there, they couldn't. There's no way. It's totally blocked. Today, I tried to get out of my subdivision to come to this meeting. I could not get out. I turned around off of Yolifan Road, went over to New Shackle Island. I could not get out. I've only been here maybe five minutes and I left at a little bit after 4:30. My goodness. Okay. Could not get out on either side of Clear Root of our subdivision.

Yeah. Sarah, are you I mean, obvious now I mean since we've been talking about it, but I've seen it. Have we even looked at that yet at all or um we didn't look at that request specifically. The request that we received and evaluated uh was the request for the do not block intersection pavement markings um which is on the agenda for discussion of course. Um as far as the additional access point there um we would have to investigate that. Um the point where it would uh line up with that intersection is uh core property currently. So all right. Well, we'll talk about it on item A3A and then we'll get we're going to talk about that. Okay.

You want to speak, Miss H? Miss Hudgins, did you want to speak? Want to say anything else? Anything at all? Well, we would appreciate any work that y'all could work toward getting an answer to this problem. It didn't be appreciated. We'll be talking about my age. An ambulance was trying to get in there. They Oh, Lord. Yes. And plus, my husband has health issues as well. So, you know, like I said, everybody's kind of up in age in that neighborhood and and yeah, we just need a a resolution to it.

Okay. Well, we'll be talking about it shortly and then and if you all have any questions at that time, we're pretty lax here in our committee. I know other committees are not, but if you do, just let me know like either raise or just text me or say I've got something. You have a card with your phone number on it. Um, I I do in my vehicle. I do not have it in this in in tonight's committee. I'm sure I think I did. I did not. Um, but I've got it in my car. So, I'll get you a car. Okay. 194 Clear Bree Circus. All right. Well, I'll do it. We'll just get one of

Okay, that's fine. Um U I've got your address here anyway, but um Okay. So Mary and um Kathy and Mary have spoken. Karen I know I'm just here to uh understand what maybe some of the resolutions are for the intersection with Indian and like terrorists, the meadows, whatever. Sure. Okay. That's what I'm kind of interested to find out before I have anything to really add to that. Okay. Um well, we'll be we're going to be uh speaking about that here in just a second. Um probably what within the next 5 minutes or so. And Matt, are you here for that?

Yes, absolutely. Same thing. Okay. Um and the same thing when you guys go that when we're talking about it, if you got just let me know and we'll we'll talk about it then. Okay. Um now John, yes. Save the best for last. So Oh, yeah. You're misleading every um John Tongate. out of that stop 30 and uh Flint. Um I've got the I've got the old house that's was originally there and um they y'all installed a street light,

which I guess is the best way to describe it is actually it's now my yard light. Um they have tried to work on trying to improve the situation. Uh at first when the light went in uh it measured at like 400,000 lumens. It's it's intense. Um it basically just lit up everything. They put a diffuser on it and what's the other thing that y'all uh shield the shield kind of.

So now it's like a flash light. Uh not a flashlight. It's like a a a camera flash that just never goes off and then it's a very intense spotlight in my yard. Um there's some great pictures. Um but uh the and this is with the leaves still on the tree. It it it does a great job of eliminating bats. And uh the other side we've discovered is it's uh disabled uh some of the motion sensors on the cameras because of it. And now people can walk onto my front porch without any of the motion detectors or cameras operating at this point. So it's uh it's not fun. Um please take it down. It's pretty bad. And if you like to see any of the pictures before or after the on my phone.

All right, Sarah. Um, have you have you been have you has anyone been out there to look at that that issue? We have. and what have you come up with any kind of possible or a resolution to it or or the what's the thought the thought process of the of your office or the public works department?

So from um the public works perspective once they installed prior to that prior to the diffuser and the shield it was extremely bright and it was um definitely some light trespass issues. Um after that it does uh provide what we believe to be a good downcast. So as you said like it's kind of like a spot down on the ground. You can see the circle of the light on the ground. Okay.

Um staff evaluated it before uh dawn and believed that it had sufficiently addressed the issue. So this has and we'll discuss this later of course but this did go back through um public works uh traffic and parking committee um and now is here for discussion as well. Okay, we'll hit that I guess is uh what B item B for under three. That's right. Yes.

Okay. All right. Good deal. Um and um John, as all like I spoke said to everyone else, we're pretty lax here in this committee. U it's you know um if you have something you like say if you'll just you know get my attention you'll get recognized. Okay. Um, now we've got the and is there anybody that wants to speak on citizens comments? Hearing none, we'll move on. Uh, approve of the minutes ordinances or resolutions tonight. Believe it or not, we do not have any, which is good. Quick meeting.

That's well, I don't know about famous last words. Now, we're on to other agenda items. Uh we'll go with um with our uh trash collection update. Um this is not very riveting. Um we is the lowest I think reported misses that we've maybe ever had. We're at 100 for the month. So that was that's real good. It's very low. Nothing exciting there. Yeah. There's a round of applause.

I mean I was Saturday like it's um Well, I was up earlier than that, but I looked out the window like I think it was like a 7:30 and my trash was gone, you know, and I, you know, we we usually get it. They usually hit us on Neptune at about, you know, 9:30 or 10, but they were already, I mean, it was it was gone. I didn't even hear them. You know, usually you can hear them, but so I was like, "Wow, couldn't believe that." Um they didn't even bother the animals said what you got. I mean they Andy didn't even bark, you know, or Georgia didn't meow or anything. So they're sniffing.

Yeah. Oh yeah, the deer. Yeah, they uh Yeah, they were still in the backyard by the lake. So I would I would like to thank Casey for putting out for Labor Day. You know th those those help and and I pass them out through, you know, W six. And uh just to remind everybody, we're skipping a day. Yes, sir. So, thank you for doing that. You're welcome.

Yeah, we do appreciate that cuz that, believe it or not, I mean, I get calls on that. You know, even now, you know, we've gone through the garbage contract. There's a uh are they going to miss us because of Labor Day? You know, I said, "Yeah, they all they will do it until we tell you otherwise." So, I do and that so thank you for saying that. But yeah, that cuz that, believe it or not, that's important, you know, and uh and but we we still as all are going to get calls on that. Um all right, let's go ahead and um move on to the we'll go ahead and hit it now with the Indian Lake Road and Lake Terrace issue of the speed. So, we met our last meeting and we put it off for until this meeting

so we could get further information. Um, so Sarah, I'm going to ask you to let us know what you found out. Yes. So, um, we thank you for letting us know that sign was found. We did get that replaced. Yeah, I saw it.

Okay. Um, but we did, uh, we had our traffic engineer kind of take a second look at it based on the comments received from uh, the last meeting and some of the recommendations are the same. Um so the the primary short-term recommendation would be to alleviate the site distance issue by um through property maintenance and have have that um removed. And if that is not uh possible or does not work out for whatever reason, then the all-way stop control would be recommended as a short-term solution um just to provide you know that that improved safety until um the site distance issue can be alleviated or until a longer term solution is implemented. Additionally, um he also found um that there could be some improvements to uh the location of that crosswalk uh that current where it's currently located on the north side that it would be improved if it were located further north. I believe it was approximately 250 ft um from the intersection. And with that, um, there also could be installed, um, of course, new signage at that time when it's relocated, but also, uh, could consider installing a rectangular rapid flashing beacon, the RRFB, which has a push button activation, uh, and then it flashes for that crossing just to notify drivers that there's actively someone wanting to cross there. Um, and so those were I think

expanding the school zone. That's right. Yeah. The the school zone sign is currently located right on the I guess it' be the northeast corner. Um, and by Tennessee state law, you can you can have the signs 500 ft from the property line of the school. So that would that would move it further south. Um, is it uh Meadow or is that Indian Lake? No, it's Meadow Meadow. So, Metal Lake, Middle Lake. Yeah, on the Middle Lake. So, you'd have some advanced warning that you're entering a school zone before you get to the corner, which I think that's pretty helpful. I think the flashing uh flashing the push button flashing thing

I I like that too. Can we do that on crossing any lake and crossing Metal Lake? to both of them because there's technically two that are concern. I think where your son was sit was theirs where my son was almost hit is this one, right? They're technically two different ones. I think those are actually some some pretty solid resolutions if we could do it on both of them. Correct.

I don't know that it would um be warranted on the side street. Um and I think part of that may be I'm not sure if the RFP is a warranty with stop control. It's the stop control that takes away the the warrant for the RFB. It has to be has to be on a stop sign. There's a there's a stop sign on those legs already, right? Going so if you're heading east and west on those legs, assuming Indian legs north and south, right? So the east and west legs already have stop signs on them, right? So you can't put an R RFB with the stop sign. Okay. They're really intended for like an uncontrolled midb block crosswalk sort of which is what we're proposing to do is

is relocate that that crossing there further up and then put the flashing beacons there so that there's an appropriate sight distance to that point the bigger concern I have is this the turn starts way up here and so this is the unsafe spot where a number of kids have almost been hit cuz it's it it's odd on this picture, but it's a really long turn. So, you make your decision to turn up here and you can't see a car there when you make your decision to turn just because of the way this goes. And a car actually this Sunday. Did either of you guys see the car on Sunday? I didn't know how it got there.

Yeah, it drove up straight through this and onto this onto the school property because it's such a weird corner if you're not familiar with it. So we on the way to church um there was a car just up in and it front end was all checked up. Yeah. Yeah. And I would like to add being the corner property on it there. Um that relocation of the north quadrant crosswalk that was just mentioned. Yes.

That's across my front yard as I understand it. And there's no sidewalk on my side of the street. It stops there at the corner. So, that would require either people walking without a sidewalk or a sidewalk construction. Yeah, it sounds like an extraordinary amount of money and effort compared to just putting up a couple of extra stop signs. Those things are a few hundred in two hours for a guy. All right. That that you just said it was sounded wonderful. I was over here just doing a little jiggling. I'm running the numbers in my head and that's a really expensive little project. It's not just painted because you got to you got to do the sidewalk.

It would have to be funded as a project. You're correct. It would require a new sidewalk. Um but what the purpose of this was to define those improvements that would be um most applicable and most improve safety. and the all-way stop control since it's not actually warranted through crash data and volume data is not actually the best solution for this particular issue um at this location. So although the signs are cheaper, refresh me, the simple idea of adding two more stop signs, it's considered a multi-way stop and through the manual of uniform traffic controlled devices, right,

which is a federally uh adopted design manual, it's you have to go through certain criteria to warrant a multi-way stop. And that involves a minimum uh threshold for volumes and it has a warrant for crashes, things like that. and it did not meet any of those criteria. The only criteria it met was for stop um sight distance which could be addressed through our property maintenance group. You guys only know of an incident if somebody notifies the police department right if it's reported. So that car on Sunday I don't think I mean when we went by they were working on it themselves trying to figure out how they could get it out of there.

Question that makes it like a ghost incident. Well, and there that's where I would tell you I think there are a lot more incidents at that at that intersection because they're not all reported. But again, it's just my which is true and probably most of these situations where you know you have people that run off the road, things like that and those don't get reported.

So, as far as action items, where does that leave us? there recommendations in here to be discussed and approved. Some of them would require budget which we would uh don't have in place currently. So that would have to be a mid-year amendment for some of those unless this committee made a different um decision. What budget? What's the size of the project estimated um for what's being recommended

for the RRFBS? Those are typically anywhere between 30 and 50,000 just depending on the complexity of what has to be installed. We haven't obviously work through that on this particular location yet. And then um the additional sidewalk um how much further up that is than is currently? Well, $60 a linear foot plus or minus for sidewalk. Yeah. It's 200 ft. 200 f feet. So, 10 grand. Yeah. Plus plus plus some earth work. Probably 15 to 20 on that. Mhm.

And item one was cleaning up foliage. Was that? Yes. That's for our property maintenance group which has already been handed over to them. That runs through the police department and they work through getting that uh sight distance obstruction removed. Yeah. And you're going to pursue those two op two options in some some way.

That's uh for this committee. That would be up to this committee whether we need to uh pursue it at our midyear u what midyear budget uh or uh think about what the price is and then if we choose to do it right now then we need to see if it can be done and and that's that's up to the committee to decide and if

and if it is excuse me um if it as the cost would it would be a cost ordinance. Excuse me, guys. But then we would bring board. Yeah, because it's a freestanding ordinance and then it would go before. Thank you. I need this. I don't know.

And the DOT rates, most of most of those I I haven't to look this one up. Uh most of them are uh include language for unusual circumstances and for uh review and revision and repeal. Uh is there any of that there? Is there any wiggle room?

Um well I think that the consideration for all way stop control if the site obstruction cannot be removed that is unusual circumstance. Um but the MUTCD is very clear that um stop control should not be used to control speed. So it's not for traffic calming. Um and so that's not that's not a way to pursue a multi-way stop. You talk when you when you were here the last time you had this um speed sign that also like flashed their actual speed on it, right? Yeah. Could that you know the after we left the meeting actually is a calming sign.

I did think I did think about that. I think that could be useful up and down that entire area in front of your house really fast your house going north that way if you're coming out. Just just a note on that. Those those cost in the same magnitude as the um our RFBs. They're about $15,000 per sign. So, if you have two signs, one on each side of the road, I found one for five, $30,000. And so, they may not meet our specifications, you know. Um, the one thing I did want to add that I forgot to mention is that the one thing that if this committee approved, we could do now is we could extend uh the school zone, the 500 ft to the south, that's a very inexpensive um solution that we we definitely could do,

okay, if approved. And I also did forget to mention there was a long-term solution proposed in here for a roundabout at that location to improve safety and maintain the flow of traffic. So I think that's great. And um obvious that's a long-term solution, but and a roundabout slows people down. It does. It slows it down. It does. I think it's a great idea. You think that's a great idea? Yeah. That point I've already heard anyway. So I'll It's such a big that part of it. It's such a big intersection. I bet you a lot of the footage isn't a big because it's so odd. It's a big space too much, but we're talking a lot of money there. Yeah, that's more than 30 grand.

Oh, yeah. So, let's go ahead and go back. What the What does the committee do you have any suggestions or ideas? I've got a question. Sure. You said that the trap data shows no accidents. It shows two in a three-year period. Is that one of Did I hear one of you say that your child was Yes, that is one of the two. The other one was a deer. And and and uh what's the timing of those two accidents? Are they been in the last six months? Are does it look like things are get getting worse?

I don't have that information specifically. And and how close was the the uh traffic count to justify a four-way stop? I'm going to take a look real quick cuz there's a lot of traffic on that road. pretty busy. There's a lot of pretty busy which my whole reference on this is th off by that because there's so many other locations that I know are only a fraction of the big vehicle around the area that have boy stops

just and this is in a school zone. So, does does the city provide a policeman? Mhm. Uh at the entrance about about 150 yards further north, but not at this intersection. Okay. And I contend uh that majority of the problem that we're trying to address is not during the end. Okay. The rest of the time. Okay. I don't have the exact counts. Um, but I will say typically if they're close there would be a consideration for that. Um, but I I don't have the exact counts in the pack yet.

So you Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no. I I was getting ready to ask you to summarize for us the recommendations before we move. Okay. Go ahead. All right. Thank Thank you, Eddie. Um, so when it went to traffic and parking or traffic and safety, they said that it didn't warrant it. Is that right? I mean, I have asked that question because I need to cover all bases as chairman of public works. Yes. Our traffic engineer evaluated it and made recommendations that went to traffic and parking committee and it it did not warrant.

All right. Okay. So, um, all right. Do you have any issues or questions that you would like to ask or No, I like the process. We got Yeah, we got Okay. Jesse, do you have anything on this or that you'd like to say anything on it? No.

No, we've had uh we're going to have PD down there a little more, too. So, I think they did go down initially that night. We had the meeting. uh we asked them to go out there, but a traffic counter was out there. So, they didn't want to be out there and skew the results when they just did the traffic count. So, that's why PD hasn't been out there recently because they didn't want to slow traffic down and not get actual data because we had a box out there collecting the data. So, I've just put it on their radar to be there more. I think, you know, starting with step one and going progressively up is a good plan and I think they worked through a good plan.

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Um does anybody else have any questions? I request that we extend the school zone in the meantime cuz I've had some complaints. It's my word. Okay. Extend it. I think 500 yard 500 ft is is too much. That's how far do you want to extend them? Whatever they're

All right. I think pretty much directly in front of your house on the other side. And that's and that's okay. Is it right? Yeah. On Sarah that we we have the ability to do that. Extend it. Okay. Absolutely. Will there be a flashing light? No, it would just be a regular uh school zone sign. Okay. Um they extend it. They could also ticket it to their Yeah. Okay. Well, just pass my driveway. going to park in my driveway. Promise you with the way that corner is, you can you'll have your data and your ticket quota for a while. Yeah,

we have no for they can't see my drive coming around. Yeah, Robertson, I'm sorry. I might have misspoke. I I was thinking you were talking about the RFB when you asked about the flasher, but if there's an existing school flasher, we would relocate that. Is there an existing flash? So, I apologize.

Okay. So, what we want to do is extend uh extend the uh I guess what's allowed for the uh for the school slow down and then we'll just ask if there's no objection to that. We'll just ask public works to or to you to figure out what the the length is on that. I think that would be a a good start on that. Now, Eddie, you said you were going to ask Sarah what? Just summarize for us now the improvements that the traffic committee recommended. Okay. I'll go ahead and start with uh extending the school zone since that's the one we're going to um Okay. probably move forward with now.

Um also, we as previously mentioned, we'll have um property maintenance work through um removal of the clear the sight distance obstruction. uh if that cannot be accomplished then we would recommend as a shortterm solution the all-way stop control. Okay.

So the stop signs um also with that we would recommend uh if funded through midyear uh we would recommend additional sidewalk to uh move the existing school crossing on Indian lake uh further north approximately 200 ft. uh at that time could be considered also a rectangular rapid flashing beacon to improve um the conspicuity of it. Okay, big word. Sure is big word. That's 20 bonus points. I had to think about it. Okay.

All right. Can I get a ballpark time frame to move the school zone just in case I have constituents call how long you think it will take to make that correction? Um, we will have to um see we'd have to order the sign. It will take longer to move the flasher, but we could get a sign installed quicker. We could order that locally. I would say probably within the next week or two. We could have a school zone design sign installed further south. It'll probably take us longer to get uh the contractor lined up to remove to move the flasher.

So, after we do those things, what I mean, this would be my suggestion. Well, I'm sorry. Let me back up. Does anybody have besides Eddie? Do do um and Mike, do you have any other things that you want to talk about on this particular issue? And then so your recommendations would require a major budget. Yes. For some the sidewalk could be assigned. That's correct. Okay. That's what I that was what one thing I was going to. Perfect. In other words,

so does our motion need to include that for the staff to consider for the mayor to consider putting that in his figure budget? I think it could. Yes. And we don't have a ballpark figure. I think 30,000 is I would estimate um for the sidewalk and the RFB I would estimate at least 60,000 maybe 75 for both. No major. Okay. Okay. But we could get better numbers in the meantime. What's the possibility of getting the property? I guess the property owners have to give approval for us to cut for improving the site's

for the sidewalk. No, for those improve the site vision. We have an ordinance that requires clear sight. So that's Creekwood. Okay. All right.

Okay. Okay, I will entertain a motion and if you all need some help, I can help you along the way on that. But well, I make a motion that we take that we implement the recommendations of the traffic and safety committee. Uh in addition extending the school zone and uh preparing uh a budget amendment that would be considered at midyear budget for the sidewalk and other improvements. I mean since we've we've got some crash data that it is dangerous I think that we need to move on it. So that would be my recommendation.

Okay. Um I need a second. Second. Okay, there's been a proper motion and a proper second. Any further discussion on the motion. Um the only thing that I would say that I think that u it's been a long time coming. You know that um okay that's okay. You want to dance?

Yeah. get up here and start dancing. Um, it's been a long time coming and unfortunately I'm just sorry that that it has brought us to this point. But, you know, I think that that's a solution that uh that is um solvable and and we I look forward to, you know, to working it out and see what happens. Um, since there's no further discussion, does anybody need the motion repeated? Maybe Mark just as a instructions to the staff that after the measures have been taken uh after a couple of months come back and report. Okay. To to public works on

Yeah. Jesse D. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you.

Let me let me write that down. So because we we want to make sure that everything that we discuss on this and especially dealing with children um it's most important to us. Um I want to make sure that we get it right in the minutes you know for all of us so when we review it next month you know or when the minutes come out we review it that everything's in the proc you know that's in there. Um that sounds good. So what we'll do uh since there's no uh no further discussion all in favor of our motion uh that was tonight signify by saying I I all oppose passes unanimously

unanimously and um we will continue to get updates on this as um I would ask the the public works department to give the committee the updates on you know what process and how far we're along on this issue because um it is important. I know it is to you and it is alderman. I know it is for your district as well and um and we'll see where it goes and and I definitely know it's important to y'all because you all live there and uh but I thank you all for bringing this to our attention

and when you do it right, you know it works, you know, at least in this committee. I can't even say for the board of mayor and alderman or any other but we're the best committee. We we always try to help people you know we really truly do. So could we come back? You sure can. You can come back anytime you want to. think there will be an update in um well we normally just do an update every month but if you want to wait a couple months yeah I'd wait a couple of months and then you can just come back and say hey um what's up what's going on or your could notify right

it's do that yeah but either or I mean we're we're we're you know pretty easy to to do that. So, is does that sound pretty good what we've decided this evening? Does that sound pretty good? What we did? Thumbs up, thumbs down. It's all right. [Laughter] At least you're honest. Okay. Thank you guys for coming here and we'll do that. All right. Excuse me. All right. It's nice to see you. Okay. All right. Keep us updated and maintain the consecutive.

That's a great word. I'm going to have to use that word. I don't know if it would be denied, but be more conspicuous. Oh, I might use it at public works uh committee report or something. I'm going to use it on Yeah. Okay. I recommend it. All right. You give me props, too. Uh that's Yeah. Uh okay. So we are now at the uh traffic and parking committee. All right. Well, we have um three items from that agenda that we're discussing tonight. Those are listed A through C. Right. Okay. So, yeah. Three. Okay. So, there's nothing else except just those A, B, and C. Yes, sir. That's right.

Thank you. So, let's move right on along. And we're getting to uh one that isn't concern of you guys. It's the uh Main Street and Clear Circle. So, let's go ahead and hit that one. Yes. So, uh we received the request as mentioned um to add do not block intersection pavement markings on Main Street. Right.

And I will preface this by saying any recommendations from staff um do they're not they're not final. Everything for Main Street has to go through T DOT because that is state right of way. So, I just wanted to preface the discussion with that. Um and so our traffic engineer did evaluate and um he did he did find that pavement markings could be installed based on his interpretation of the METCD.

Um and so that could be a recommendation. That's what we discussed at traffic and parking at the committee level. Um the vote on that was split for staff. Um, and primarily because there's a concern that installing those pavement markings could actually increase uh the collisions in that location because there are so many lanes. Um, you may not be able to see if the Sanders Fairy turn lane is stacked up and you're trying to make a left out of there. You be may not be able to see the oncoming traffic from um the west eastbound. Okay.

And so that that is a concern to be considered. Um, but if we wanted to pursue pavement markings and signage, um, that that could be an option that we could present to T DOT and and seek their feedback and appro approval on. Um, at the committee, it was discussed that maybe the hatch marks instead of the actual words uh, may be more beneficial because um, there are so many lanes we would potentially have to put do not block intersection and three or two to three to two to three lanes. Whereas if you do the hatch marks, it's a little cleaner. Um, but that's what was discussed. Okay. Yes, sir.

So, they've already done something very similar in Rivergate near the shoot the conference drive. Yes. Where you get to conference drive and the it's it I used I drive there every week. Um, it it took a bit of a getting used to. uh it's probably about a year or so, but it seems to have worked out for the people that are there those people in that inter that from those neighborhoods back there are pulling out.

I'm not saying there's no accidents out there. Um but at the same time, I I think after about a year's time and people getting used to it and thinking about it, well, with the exception of the MTA buses blocking the intersection, you know, it's just let you know it's already been done something. So, and that's even I think it's about the same maybe even. Sorry. No, no, I appreciate you telling me. I didn't know Nashville had done that.

There's an example of the hatch markings in front of the fire station across from Costco. If if you wanted to compare, you know, the do not enter words versus hatch marks. Like example in this packet has the words, but the hatch marks are out in front of that fire station. Okay. I don't ever go down their road either or not. Um I usually just go down Gall Road all the way down the Glen Brook entrance. Um okay. Um any questions from the committee? Is this the only entrance into the neighborhood?

Well, the problem is is there's another entrance, too, but it's under construction right now. The wall from Walden Ferry and it's old Walden Ferry the realignment there got and that is and that is that's the problem right now that they have so that in essence a lot of people use that at this point um you know when that gets done you know I think people will still use that because I can remember I've you know been around a long time a lot of people use it it's just the traffic is so bad getting on to Saunders Fairy Road, you know, now. Yeah. Um,

so, uh, and then of course it gets backed up during traffic on Gallton Road or 31E or whatever whatever you want to call it. Um, and so that has an issue too. Um, but I think some I mean just me as a an individual, something has to be done really. I mean because it is a nightmare. I mean I've seen it. Um, you know, I'm sorry that somebody even had to bring it up an issue, but I've been waiting for it for a while that this has been done because I've seen people have to wait there for a long time to get out. Oh, I've had to sit there for 20 minutes to try to get out.

So, time you're not going to get out. You're have to go back home. I will say that. So, I don't care where you will go. So, what does the committee recommend at this point to to do here? Um, oh well, let me Okay, you know what? What does the committee recommend? That's before I say anything. The traffic and parking committee. Well, they were what? Didn't you say they were split? Three to three. 3 to three. Um, what does this committee recommend to do? There's there's nothing overhead that can be done. There's no overhead lines, are there assigned to be put overhead?

It's either It has to be on the street. Yeah. And what's the estimated physical amount for that? Um the pavement markings are not terribly expensive. I would say in the grand scheme of things, um probably, if I had to estimate, probably around 3 to 5,000. Okay. And and the committee's recommended that this be temporary. Yes. that once construction resolved um it would at Old Shackle that that it would be removed

that's not going to stop the traffic of coming into that turning lane go into Sanders Ferry that's the problem that we have is if we yeah if we want to get out on Main Street we you know if we go around to the backside we're still facing traffic trying to turn left even even before the construction back there started so you You know, it's just And I know we've got an old neighborhood. We're we're probably 35 40 houses back there, but subdivision in Hendersonville and we need help. Yeah. And you know, the main thing is just those people that are coming across that turning lane before they even come across the bridge on Main Street. I've seen it backed up clear to the park.

Yeah. The best long-term solution for that would be a dual left turn onto Sanders Ferry that we've discussed and highlighted in our transportation capital improvement plan. Expensive of course, but that long term that would be the best. I think the long term would be if see if we could figure out how to make clear view come out at that Sanders very light if that would even be an option would be the safest for honestly I'm not sure very complicated yeah it would be because then you've got that creek right there that utility district and I think they

you know they they probably have an issue with that as well um but I'm just trying to think, well, how long? All right, so we've got to get the authority. We've got to get before we even do anything, we have to get T dot to say, okay, that it's cool because they may come back and say, no, you know,

yes, that's right. So, uh, I guess the thing we need to do is wait until we get the okay from T DOT. I know this is slow as Christmas, but that's the way government is. And then have another meeting when we get the authority to do it and then really figure out what we what we want to do. Well, T do DOT may ask the staff, do you have authority from Bowman to do this? So, yeah.

So, I I I would think uh if if we're going to if we're going to go fishing, let's go fishing. Let's let's let's do what you know, the hash marks and then ask T do DOT. But but that's your ward. I'd like to hear what you think. Um I'm we can we should have authority from this committee to talk with T Dot. I think public works can talk with T dot. I mean, we're talking with with them all the time because you guys are working with them on the construction. Mhm. They should understand, you know, things have changed due to the construction. So, this is something that's a necessity. Yeah. Um,

and we're fine with the hashmark. I mean, I'd be fine with that if long as it stops people from, you know, blocking us. We definitely can't guarantee that. Yeah. Well, no. Yeah. I mean, they're not stopping for a double yellow line.

So, what Eddie's saying is we go ahead and and and and if this is okay, cuz it's your ward is to go ahead and and ask T dot to do what we're doing and then be and then have a vote saying that we want to put put the hash marks down and then if they say okay, which I'm pretty sure they would say okay and but you never know with T dot. I mean, and I mean no disrespect by that because they all I can say is uh light synchronization project. That's all I can say about that

with T dot. Um but uh we'll have that prepared to do you know once that has passed since we we get the authority from T dot then we've already got a plan in place for it. Is that Yeah. So, I I'd probably look for a motion that says, you know, authorize uh public works to talk with T DOT um about adding the do not block

striping and T dot approves it. Let's go ahead and do it. And then let's take a second look at the traffic uh uh assessment study that we have with the double left turn. Since the construction has come up, we have a prioritization um system and I think things have changed, but that project may get moved up. That's right. Um so we can have the city look at that. Okay. If T dot gives you trouble, tell them to come over and sit and try to get out. So this require budget amendment 2500. Okay. Then I'll second the motion. I'll

Okay. There's been a proper motion and proper second. Um, and it does, just for the record, does not require uh there there's a a spending ordinance that has to go to another freaking committee for the pavement markings.

Right. For the pavement markings. Um, so that'll be something that we can handle in this committee. Um, on that motion, is there any further discussion on that issue? I think that's one that works well with the residents and works well with our city and their staff on that. Um, that's just basically all I've got to say about that. Um, so, uh, there's been a proper motion, a proper, uh, second. Uh, any further discussion on the motion? Hearing none, all uh, ready to vote on the motion. All in favor of the motion that was made by Alderman Mike Barton signify by saying I. I. All oppose. Okay. There's no passes unanimously to do that. and then just keep us up to date and then uh Mike is very good at Facebook and he can and then and then you could like guys can come back and he'll probably have something listed on there what's going on.

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Okay, have a good afternoon. You too. Now we are moving on to uh Glenn Brook speed limit. No, wait a minute. Stop. Oh, it's through the street light uh at stop 30. Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry. I missed I didn't see that. Oh, okay. So, now we need to discuss that. We kind of discussed it. Um um does the committee have any recommendation on this? I've got some questions. Okay. Uh that's an LED light.

Yes. U is there any way to decrease the wattage? It's actually um the lowest lumen that they had available for um a street light. Okay. It was 6900 lumen. Is that correct? 6900. That's what we were told by CNC. 70 watt. Are there any additional shieldings that we can do to keep the the change the focus of the light more toward the road than straight down? that could diffuse some of the light hitting uh the residential property.

They put a blackout curtain on the back side of it facing the residential home and then the diffuser is downcast to light. So that that is kind of the extent of what we have available through through CMC. Mhm.

We did a survey when we got ready to The reason we put street lights is we had some complaints from people in that area that they had no street lights. And so we did a survey. What did the survey results show for Flint and you know this area uh for street light? Um, I'll let Stephen uh correct me if I misstate anything, but um my understanding was that um that Mr. Tongate had contacted Stephen had some questions and there were some email exchanges which um I've reviewed and um he said that he was the respon it was primarily from Mr. Tongate. I think there was no other response for that one. Not for that one.

Okay. Specifically, so it was primarily Mr. Chung gate and that he was not um opposed and he he felt that it may help the deer in his yard and um so so actually I told him sorry you might have misheard me I didn't want it now my wife she wasn't opposed but I didn't want so okay basically yeah I don't want it and And especially now because I I was just I I recorded the nature of our conversation which was like you were neither opposed nor against. You're kind of indifferent about it but that that was how it was recorded. Okay.

So so miscommunication. Yeah. Understood. We're all human.

Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's the where the light is doesn't even make any sense because we're literally just hundreds of feet away from where the city limits end currently. And then on the other side of the re street is actually counting. It's sorry my neighbors are scared of the dark. You shouldn't have moved out there. It's just I don't you know I've lived there for 20 years. It's it's a very quiet neighborhood. It's just uh and honestly when the moon's out you get more light that way. Um I could go into light theory and stuff like that blaze over and stuff like that but basically the light is now creating a shadow effect to where it's you can't see beyond the light kind of deal. Um, like the pictures I took, the light is so overwhelming on the nighttime pictures and I made sure I took it out on a moonless night because I didn't want to misre the amount of illumination going off. But because the light is so bright because it was a lighting effect that the you cannot see beyond the light. But if you like focus in on the pictures that I took in the non shadow areas of my house, you can actually see the lighting garage. Once the leaves fall even with the shielding and the placement of the shielding is they didn't place between the light and

the residence. They placed it. How you doing, sir? between like and it's just now if y'all want to paint the half of the globe black and then but I I don't see that resolving the issue simply because of the way the globe is placed down. It's just it just it's really pointing at my yard is the way it is. And you know, we've talked and there's no way for them to aim it particular type of light it is. And it's just it it's pretty unpleasant to have. And once the leaves fall, it's it's going to be lighting up the front of my house pretty badly. And it's just going to make like one motion camera is not working now. So I imagine that the other ones will Once the light starts affecting them,

how long would we have that glide there? Roughly a month, I believe. Yeah, that's probably early to mid August maybe. Maybe July. I No. Yeah, it seems like it was in August. It was pretty much the night that it came in, we were like, "What the heck?" You already put a cut off on it and everything. Okay. You put a cut off? Yeah, like the back side of the light. Yes, they they installed CMC installed that. We had requested that with the diffuser.

So, what does the committee recommend? Uh the committee recommended the light remain um since it is on stop 30 which is a collector and our street lighting policy does provide for street lights at intersections. Right. Yeah. Did the other neighbors complain about Have you heard any other complaints or have we heard it would just be Mr. Larry would be the other one. Um, I mean, our yards are huge, like huge. Um, but he's already getting his windows. You mean

I did not and I don't think they're already they've been upset with the city for the past since they got annexed. But my understanding was with that annexation lawsuit that occurred that there weren't going to put any street lights in on the airhead subdivision. We weren't able to locate any of that in the documents that was brought up right through the survey process. So So is there precedent for this uh putting up a street light residents complain about it, take it down. Is there precedent? I'm not aware of a precedent for that. Yes, I've never heard of it.

You take it down, it might be a liability as you can see. Well, that's what I Yeah. Um I don't know. We're ready to do anything. I'd like to look maybe pictures and maybe drive by it between now and our next public works meeting. Yeah. Definitely like to see the pictures and probably drive off and just see This is what it looks like with the shielding and everything on there. Is that stop 30 or from your home?

That is from stop 30. You're That's actually looking towards my house. And just to give you an idea of how intense So basically that's how intense the light is. So imagine that from my side of it. And then so your house is right here. This is my house right here. Okay.

And then like uh if I blow up on the garage, you can actually see it's actually illuminated even with the shielding and all that stuff. And that it's an optical illusion because of this light is so intense. The camera can't filter in. In fact, the with this picture and then uh with one of the older pictures. Oops. Yeah. This was staff's before and after. Yeah. The before is on the left and after.

So, this is with this is with it not having the intense globe on it to where it causes the optical illusion. Basically, it still looks like that with the globe. So it it looks like in a way that it's improved, but because of the way the globe is, it's still the same. It's it's well the picture don't do it justice. Um why don't we just drive out of there between now and our next meeting and feel free kind of see it for Yeah, let us take a look.

Say hi. Um but yeah, I mean that's all, you know, give us some time to look at. Yeah, because I think that's this is an issue that we have to because it's like a what's the old sen case first impression really in terms because we've never taken one ever. I I mean and I know I'm asking a lot. Well, well the to me that's I mean for you yes, but that's not what the issue. The issue is is I want to make sure that we do things right.

And I know that we've never done that before, but that's why I want to really look at it and I want to make sure that I'm on solid ground on when I make a decision because I don't want to be, you know, I don't want to make a decision that I'm not feeling comfortable in. I mean, I don't know of an alderman that would, right? Um, so let's put it back on the agenda. We'll do that. Let's just put it on next month and that'll give us all three of us an opportunity to go out there and look at it. Sounds good. We'll get some ice cream or something and Sonic and drive off out there. And I guess I'm the only Auburn that has business cards, but I've got

Yeah. Yeah. Why you car Oh man. Oh my gosh. doesn't get any more conspicuity than this. Oh man. Yeah. So, when I was looking through Fendersonville codes, I didn't see anything about traffic street requirements. Like I I went through every code I could possibly find and I found nothing regarding that. you know, I hear, oh, it's our procedure, but then it's not I couldn't find it. It's not written or the it's not cop or

right. So, that's why I was just like I'm like really sitting here going, you know, another good word. Yeah. I'm going to come back with this leadership. Well, um okay. We're going to put it on and and we're going to have just go ahead and put you on notice now that we're meeting next month that um what on the fourth the fourth Tuesday. Yeah. Find that date which will be October 28th. Yes, thank you. The 28th at 5:00.

Yeah. Well, let me figure out how to put that on my calendar. All right. Right. And that'll give us plenty of time to go out there and look at it. 28th 5:00. Yes. And we just paved your roads a couple years ago. So, yeah. Well, uh, I should Yeah, you may get your card back. Yeah. No. What? Yeah. Flint and uh, Crossbone. Crossbow. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't affect me. I'm on Yeah. My road is out 30, which they've done

repairs. Repairs. That reminds me. Um when they did the repair work uh across the street they collapsed the ditch. So in the median you have this little football on the side and then it goes straight down and since I have across the street from the farmer like we'll look at it. It's that somehow guys with some shovels get stuck. Okay. Yeah. just I'll try to add to your to-do list because it sounds like you'll got

Okay, we'll go ahead and put this on for the agenda for October 28th. And that'll give us, like I said, it'll give us an opportunity to go out there and take a look, make a a proper decision that we're all feel comfortable with. Okay. All right. Well, thank you, John. We appreciate you bringing this to our attention. Yeah. Thank you for cheering me out. We all got like a lot of things on your plate. We always do, but it doesn't bother us. So, we just we just keep moving on along. Speaking of moving on along, now we're on to the Glenn Brook Way speed limit. Yes.

All right. All right. So, we received a request to add um more speed limit signs to Glennberg Way, but when we were reviewing it, we found that there were no speed limit signs, right? Um and so our traffic engineer went ahead and did um a speed study, right? And found that the um 85th percentile warranted a speed limit of either 35 or 40. So it was recommended to traffic and parking that the speed limit be set and signed at 35. Um through those discussions at traffic and parking um it it was also split. Um some of the what 33

33 some of the um committee members felt that it should be 30 but the data didn't warrant 30. So that would um that would require an ordinance but it has been 30 as the as the default it has been 30 but not signed at 30. So to sign it as something different than that it would need to be warranted through a speed. That's a pretty traffic congested thorough affair. It can be thanks to Chick-fil-A and you know so yeah it can be bad. Um

so what does the data show? The data shows um so speed limits are to be set within 5 miles per hour of the 85th percentile speed which I believe was 37. It goes either 37 or 38 or was 37 one direction 38 the other something like that. Yeah. So 85% of drivers are already exceeding the speed limit what could be the posted speed limit at 35 at that time. Yeah. Okay. Basically, it's out of out of every hundred drivers, 85 are going at or below that speed, 15% would be in excess of that speed. So, that 15% would be or technically considered speeding if you're establishing the 85th that

Yeah. Did they also look at how many accidents that we've had or anything like that coming out of the out of um Target, Kroger's and all that in there and Chick-fil-A or is it just the primarily just the the speeding or the vehicle going down Glimmer Way? Uh they did he did review uh the crash history found the vast majority of crashes were drivers pulling out of access driveway and collided with vehicles already traveling on Glen Brookway. Um so that probably is why they recommended the low end

of the the 5 mile per hour range at 35 miles hour. Okay. Which alderman brought this up? This was a resident request, not resident citiz contacted me asking about the alder. That's a good question. I thought it was a Was this a resident? I thought that it was, but I may be incorrect about that. No, you're fine. Um, it certainly wasn't. It was Alderman Evans anyway. I thought it was Alderman Evans. Okay. Sorry, I was incorrect on that. Evidence.

There were 56 collisions in a threeyear period of that sort. That's between forest uh what is it? Uh the issue on that road is okay traffic that backs out. Um yeah, I think I think probably that actually that's probably true. Um and then there's a speeding issue. I think it's I think it's Chick-fil-A which it will get relieved as soon as they finish their new facility. Yeah. Just go ahead and put in the 35 mph sign for the recommendation. Is that I mean something we have money to do? Absolutely. We don't have to do any budget requests or anything. No.

I mean do you all how do you all feel comfortable with that? The 35. Yeah.

I think that's um the most defensible speed limit. Yeah, I think that that that that it is the restaurant and I think that also I think that that that entrance and exit that's going out of Kroger's I think that's an issue too. I really do. But I mean because the rest of them uh I've been deal and uh I've been dealing a lot with the bank lately of reasons, you know, just because of my sister and mom passing away and um I've been I've been over there a lot um trying to get things done and um I've really not had to be on but I had been at peak hours so I don't you know I can't really say that um that that's an issue but as far as coming out. I can see people uh having an accident because they I think 35 is a a good good spot to put a sign. Uh is there a business HOA for this area?

Yes, there is. And do they they have do they have decorative signs, don't they? They do. So, will we ask them if they will pay for the post that would put the sides up? We could propose that. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. We don't we don't want to just put tangle iron Yeah. up and not match the rest of the business development there. Yeah. I think Matt would do that. I think he would understand that. They might. And if he didn't let me know cuz I talked to straighten him out.

Yeah. He's Well, I don't know if I can straighten him out, but he's a real I mean, I've always had good luck. He's a good guy to me. Um, anything I've ever asked him for help on, he's always helped. and um his company has done well. They got the best buy in there and you know and he's he's very good at what he does but I think he probably would understand that. So if you need somebody to call him I'd be more than happy to do it. I talk to him quite often. Thank you. He's good

and Okay. So, I don't know if does a motion need to be made or can we just direct you to do that or would you rather have a motion or you can just direct since that was that's based on the data um if we were to

and I'll double check with Evans, but I I spoke with him um I think today actually to ask him very much about this and I think he he's he told me maybe I mis heard him but I'm going to ask him again tonight. Um, I think he did that. So, I don't know whether it was just a a complaint from a a resident or what. I don't know. So, but you did it. He raised his hand. You did it. That was me. I I just there's one thing to add.

Yeah. Yes. the split um was kind of half of us were feeling the 30, but I think in the end we all kind of came to the same realization that to be the most defensible for the city and to um for police officers just to back them up. I think we all kind of settled on that 35 35 as the defensible. So I think we came to a an agreement on that just for what then it is because that I'm just I was curious you know what you how that how that came about. So what they're with no objection will just ask you to do what we just talked about. Okay. To do that and direct the public works to do that to fix it. I see.

Okay. and we'll just see where it where it takes us, you know, and u after the other Chick-fil-A opens up. Yeah, I think you're gonna Anderson's getting so large. Who know? I think after Chick-fil-A go the other one opens up, you might see an increase of the speed in there because most of the accidents I see through there is where that that other access road pulls out near Panera or something like that. That's usually where I see the accidents occur. So I'll ask a question. With all the accidents that's happened there, would that justify a lower speed limit with the 50some accidents in the last 3 years?

I don't think it would justify a lower speed limit. Um just because it's it really does need to be set on the 85th percentile for what people are traveling. um setting it at the low end of that I think is the conservative approach. Um beyond that I think that additional enforcement could be helpful along that roadway for those that are um not exercising due care. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. Well, we've settled that and let's go on to uh uh rolling acres entrance signage. Yes. This is one um we we attempted to discuss last month, but Alderman Robertson was um out of the country enjoying himself. So

um this uh their question some spaghetti the question was raised about whether um the the uh decorative sign um grant ordinance could be used to help uh with the repair replacement of the entrance signage for rolling acres. Um, and so I did pull that ordinance and review it and it's pretty specific to um, street signs and pole replacement. Um, and it's based on a a reimbursement for cost expended that would align with our contract rates for traffic signs. Okay. Um, so I found that that probably would not be um,

it would work. It probably would, even if we said it was applicable, it wouldn't be very helpful because it would be $50 reimbursement was typically around what we spend for street signs. And we don't want to get the business of repairing neighborhood decorative signs. No, we don't.

And you know, I used to represent that area in Ward 3 years a Well, well, I just used to represent and man, that thing was always getting tore up. I mean, it was awful and I it's going to cost and cost and cost. So, I don't know if the city's ready for anything like that over there off new shackle. So, yeah. You have any thoughts on it, boss?

No, I agree. Robertson, too. All right. Well, you you guys do what? So, what do we need to do? take action here. Do we need to take action or just I think the response just could be that uh we're not interested in obtaining an easement to maintain that sign. Yeah. Who brought that one? Do you know that was a property owner? Okay. The one on the right or right or left or do you know? I think when you're going in I think it's the one on the right. I think that's the one that's damaged.

Okay. Okay. Good deal. Um All right. Thank you for bringing that up. And let's go on now to the world famous light synchronization. Uh no new update. We're waiting on um the obligation of funds from FHWA. So that's T Dot submitted that request. Once we receive that, we'll be able to receive our notice to proceed to construction and bid the project. Okay. But we are waiting on them. So, we're waiting on TI, right? Yes. Basically, indirectly. Yes. Okay.

All right. And then Creekwood subdivision. Yes. That uh was request we added that as a discussion item um to follow up on a request for uh the traffic calming. Yeah. Along Creekwood Lane. Um, and when we uh discussed this previously, we were going to mail letters, which those have been mailed, okay, uh, to all of the residents in Creekwood, um, to seek input, um, whether favorable or not, for the, uh, lane line markings that were discussed previously. So, we're awaiting feedback. They'll have a 30-day comment period.

30 days. Okay. All right. Any question on that issue? Uh no. Uh I I got a couple of calls on this when the letter and I see I saw the letter. So uh this is a good procedure. We we don't want to take action just based on one person, you know, request. So this is a good way to to uh to uh understand the consensus. So all right, good. Uh maybe next meeting we can put it back on because that'll be the 30 days, right? Yes. give us a report, right?

And once and once the feedback comes back, let's say it's positive, how long would it take to do that, Sarah? That's just the timeline for the the contractor to put it on their schedule. Typically two to four weeks, depending. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. All right. We'll put that on the agenda for our next meeting. Uh oh, one one last thing. Yes. Yes, sir. Go ahead. I understand that we budgeted some money for a new uh traffic measuring device. Yes. Have we got that equipment in yet? Yes. Uh I would like because we've had Mr. Little twice complain about speeding.

I would like for us to test using that equipment an additional time. Okay. for for Creekwood Lane and uh make that part of the next month's report. So, I guess I'm responding to his complaint by let's do another study. Let's look to see what it looks like. Okay, we can do that. That's fair enough. I think he will be interested in that. So, we'll put that down and we'll just give that report at our next meeting as well. Okay.

Um, now we're on to other business. Any other business at all? Anything going on? All right. Motion to adjurnn. All right.