Public Works Committee - Regular Meeting

order. Um u we do uh have one of our members that is missing but as we do at 5:00 that's when we start and then if he comes in I don't know whether he'll be has he said anything to anybody at all. Okay. He was at the ceremonies after he was okay. Well he if he comes in that's good he had a heat stroke like the rest of us. Sorry I was unable to go to that though because I really wanted to to be there for it. Um did they have a good turnout there may so I mean pretty well for a governmentr run operation. So I got you. Nobody's terribly excited about a health department. Yeah. Well they're they're they are useful. They really really are. Um if there's no objection, we'll go ahead and accept the agenda as is unless anyone needs to anything to be added. Um but we usually cover that if somebody does is under other business. And seeing if there's no objection, we'll move on to the minutes. Move approval. Okay. And there's a and I'll second that. So there's been a motion and a proper second. And any discussion on the the minutes? Hearing none. Is everyone ready to vote? All in favor of the minutes signify by saying I. I. All oppose. It passes unanimously. Uh the approval. And now to citizens comments. U. Does anybody have uh any to discuss that we need to be aware of? Now there may be something on the agenda and and if you want to wait until that time then we'll discuss it then. Okay. So we have no citizens comments. We have uh ordinances and resolutions. We have two readings of resolutions tonight. One is the approval of resolution 202518 and it's a resolution authorizing the city's department of parks and wreck to

apply for the Blue Cross Blue Shield healthy place grant. And I need a motion. Uh so move. Okay. And I will second that motion. And so we now for discussion. Um I just just want to make sure Mr. Chairman, it says it in our our analysis, but this is a non-matching grant. This is I'm going to turn to Sarah. I'm sorry. I would have to defer to Mr. Gilly. I can't keep them straight to be honest with you. Yeah, it says in fiscal impact that it's a non-matching. So, we won't have to allocate any money if I mean we've been turned down for this several years. So, Blue Shield is typically 100%. Yes, I have. It's my understanding that it's not it's a non-matching grant. So, I'm all good for it. And I think we've applied for this before and not gotten it sever several times. Okay. Um any further discussion on that? I'm all for it. But, uh any further discussion on this on the resolution and this will be moved to the uh our u July meeting for the board of mayor. Um, we've got a proper motion and proper second. All uh all of uh in favor of this resolution 20 uh 2518 signify by saying I I all oppose. It passes unanimously. And that passes on and the sponsor was Jenna Garden. You're right. This pen is about Thank you. Um, let's go on with the uh second ordinance or excuse me, resolution 2519, which is a resolution authorizing the city's department of parks and recreation to apply for a property

conservation grant with public entity partners. And I need a motion move and and I will second that. So there been a proper motion and proper second. Now let's go for discussion. Does anybody know about that one? Yeah, I'm looking at the fiscal impact. Yes, sir. It's a 50/50. This is a 5050 and we've had it in the past. So, we stand a good chance. So, I guess I just want to make sure, mayor, that we that we have we we have the $4,000 that if we're granted that we can allocate this. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, we do have that grant because I am I apologize, but I'm not really familiar with that one. Um, so we'll go ahead and that's a 5050. PEP never provides real real big grants. Um, but we're going to apply for it because we we are very likely to to to earn them. Um, and so we keep applying and I think we've been able in reading the write up, we've been able to purchase cameras in our parks to help uh vandalism, help curb vandalism. Um, if we didn't curb it, we caught the people who perpetrated it. Yeah. And has that been successful so far? So, what what precipitated this was we had some bathroom damage about three years ago. Yeah. Uh and we had some park areas and some parks that didn't have any cameras. We place the cameras part of them through this grant and it curved it significantly. That's good. All right. Is there since there's any other further discussion on this motion hearing done, is everyone ready to vote? All in favor of resolution 202519, which is the a resolution authorizing the city's department of parks and wreck to apply for the uh property

conservation grant with public entity partners. Signify by saying I. All oppose. It passes unanimously as Okay. Now that was that was easy. Well, those are those are the those are these are the fun meetings, I guess. Um, let's go with other other agenda items. Trash collection update. Yeah, I'm happy to report the misses have been uh pretty consistently low well before well below a threshold we'd be um you know concerned about and looking for um addressing looking to address. So it's been positive. Yeah, we I didn't um I don't know about y'all's districts or wards. I I didn't have any calls at all this time. It was very usually it, you know, it varies, you know, but this time I didn't have any. I think I had one last time. So, um, so let's keep it up. Um, I know I had a lot of trash out there and they I mean, I heard them out there and they came and did it. Um, but it was always bagged properly. Beautiful. Uh here we go with the beautiful Hendersonville bridge facade. Okay. Last year in August after we had cleaned up the bridge on Main Street and painted it and put the banners up, the mayor called and asked if we would be interested in doing a couple more bridge beautifification projects. And we really did uh want to do that. We we were successful with the one bridge that's the entrance from Indian Lake Boulevard behind um Deeos is there and we were able to just pressure wash it and made it look much much better but the other bridge and I didn't make copies of this but um that's the bridge be on Saundersville Road you know and I think

I sent you this was a picture I sent you um that bridge behind Sam's there was just in much need and and we realized that it was more than we could tackle with our little committee. But given my interior design background, you know, more than some of y'all have been alive, I had um often worked with contractors, you know, builders from the ground up on specifying materials. And um I had worked with this company a while back and I wanted with specifying these stones. So I wanted to know what happened, what caused it, and what could be done and was there anything even maybe just a small part that beautiful Hendersonville could do. Anyway, I contacted Jeff Walker who is a sales manager and um and he sent me there's an email on the back there if you're interested in reading it. what he said probably happened and what would need to be done to properly prepare it. So I repair it. So um I sent that to the mayor and I know that time passed and then we were getting ready to do our budget and we needed to know if what was happening with that bridge so that we could apply our funds for for brackets and banners on that bridge if it's finished. And so, um, I called Jeff again. I had talked with Trace, and he said that he had reached out to some folks, but didn't have a bite. So, I contacted these folks again, and that's just my resource, you know, that just people that I know I've worked with, and he could give me an answer. I said, "Could you send someone out to give me an idea what that would cost?" And so, he did. And I'm going to just give you this, each one of you'd like. This was what his thoughts were.

and the quote to fix it properly. Now, this is on the face side, the street side of the bridge, not the water side because that would just involve too much. Right. So, um these are the stones that are available. And you want to look at that? Sure. And um there's again I think the bridge really I we I think Tracy talked about maybe going back and just painting it. But um if you look in the pictures here, this is what you have now and what that looks like with some of the stone removed. I really would love to see the stone go back on. It would have so much. It has so much more. How old is that? I don't know how old it is. 2008 2009 probably 2008. Did you say around there? Probably. Okay. You would think it would last longer than that. It was a construction issue. It was. Yeah. So, um, again, this is, you know, what you have now. I know it's they're working so hard and they do a fabulous job and this is what it kind of looks like on the backside to just paint it, you know, just isn't going to have the character, that's for sure. But this was the price that he gave to um to repair it. These are the stones that he has that are, you know, available and pretty much in stock. So, I wanted you guys to just see that and um know no, we want to help any way we can. If this helps, that's fantastic. But I don't see, like I said, how we could get out there do it physically, you know, to even remove the stones. I don't know how we we could do that. But anyway, so that's what I wanted to let you know about.

So, uh, is this bridge permanent? Did we not have some trouble with the core about some of our bridges? Is is that issue is that issue dead? Uh, that's been mostly resolved. We've um submitted some revised mapping to FEMA. We haven't gotten a final answer, but um Okay. The revised U modeling resolved the issue. Yeah, this is a pretty wellused road by a lot of people. Uh I know that the bridge going into the park, Andy, the stones kept falling off that as well. Still are. And still are. And do you remember the price to be there? Of course, that's a much larger bridge. It is this one. It is. Do you remember the price? Oh, we had a price from uh can't remember who it was. The company gave us a price for both of them. Both these bridges. Yeah. I can't remember who it was. I want to say it was to do both close to 100,000 maybe less. Can't remember exactly. I could go look it up. Actually, probably come back in five minutes. Additionally, shortly after um Kathy brought it to our attention and had contacted the Centurion rep previously, we put this out um for RFP and asked for proposals for various options to include removal of stone and painting um you know removal of stone and replacement of stone and any other ideas basically and we didn't receive any responses on that. And so that's when Andy then reached out to the reped. Okay. So, um, and then to date, you know, our staff has gone in and removed probably maybe close to 50% of the stones on this

bridge with the idea of removing the stones and and painting, but it will not it won't be the same aesthetic, of course. No, it won't. Um it it won't I don't know how they would be able to remove all of that actually to it won't be a smooth surface I don't think and there may be texture possibility of some texture and paint it um but the maintenance is always going to be there you know no matter what you do but you will have to maintain and have to paint and have to pressure wash whatever you put on there. I love the brick or the stone. So, does does the city have a brick layer on staff? No. Someone that does. I I know that uh when we did the first responders monument, uh we had a brick layer do that. That was an employee. I don't know if he's an employee of parks or not, but but there was a city employee that did that to save us money. Okay. Uh, I guess I was just wondering if of course it'd be cheaper if we could put a brick facade on it. It wouldn't look as good, but it would be better than just stripping it off and paint just concrete. Yeah. So, I mean, we just went through the budget process and of course this is in W six and I I'd like to see it done. It's also close to the greenway, right? It is. you know, and a lot of people use that. Uh but uh so, mayor, what what does the what what's our way forward on this? So, we've got a couple options. Uh we can continue just let them fall off and then gradually, you know, eventually pry the last ones off and do something then. Um we can force them off

and we can we can paint there. There will be some texture on there that we'll have to deal with. Um and just when I say paint, it wouldn't have to be just a one flat color. It could it could have, you know, some relief to it, I guess. Um, we can go hire somebody and spend some money. Um, we did just approve the budget, though. Um, one of the things I talked to Kathy is just making the entrances of our city look looking better overall. Yes. Um, and not just this bridge, but the two overpasses that we have Highway 31. Um, and so it's hard for me to say, let's leave this one alone for a long period of time when we're looking at doing some things the entrance of the city that would unify us a little bit. Um it's okay. So the money's not there though. We would have to find the money or appropriate money. This proposal from you can read in the paragraph they went and evaluated both bridges and they could re they could replace the stone but you can see in there they would not make any guarantee that we wouldn't be in the same situation falling apart. So their estimate was to clean everything off and paint it similar to the one at Demos. Sarah, am I correct that the the problem wasn't necessarily the stone, it was the adhesive that they used? Yeah, it was the the means and methods of construction. They didn't It was smooth, right? Yeah, it was smooth. And I There's usually some um I can't think of the correct wording now, but almost like a mesh you put down and then you kind of adhere to that. None of that was done. So, is this price replacing the stone or just stripping it off? Paint that it's stripping everything off, clean it, and painting it. And that price that price is $33,000 just to strip it down. I'm not a real big proponent of adding the rock back, but I would like something more than just a flat wall. Fortunately, we have somebody in construction business that's with us tonight that might have a

recommendation. Well, I was asking Andy, uh, is there someone in parks that does brick lane? Uh, we have a person that works in the parks that used to own a brick company. He's 64 years old. So, is he the one that helped on the first responders? He did. Monument. Be a great crew leader for I don't know that he would be a uh a brick layer at this point. I will say I've worked with the company and and they have done several projects for me and no pro you know no problems with the Centurion Centurion did the 37 at Memorial Park when we just redid any problems? No. In a similar situation they came in and and said this is we can do this. It will require removing all the stone because what they used to begin with was basically indoor facade brick that should have not been outdoor. So that's why was falling apart in their estimating the brick on the fountain was about 80 80,000 when we redid it and we had it had some more intricacies other than a bridge because you had some electrical and plumbing stuff. Um we will have a surplus when the fiscal year ends in two weeks. Yeah. Um you know I know that we have a couple of options here. I know that we have applied for a grant parks grant. We haven't heard anything on that have we? No sir. And if that grant is rejected and when when should we know? We were told by the end of June but usually it's late July early August. So, if if that grant is rejected, then we've got $2

million that we set aside in the uh in the uh sales tax uh fund that that we could use. I guess I know that the parks will have a lot of uses for that money if we don't get the grant. Uh plus at midyear budget, we may have we may it may look a little different position. Um, I mean, Katty, I wish that we could just go ahead and vote to do this now, but we just came through the budget. I asked you to come because I think this is important enough beautifying the city, which your committee has done an outstanding job. And let me just give you kudos at Country Hills Golf Course. It is it's just made the difference in night and day. I mean, you you you get in the parking lot and you see these old men come to play golf and they got smiles on the face. All right. That's good. That's evangelistically speaking. But thank you. But still, but still, you y'all did a great job on that. So, uh what do you think? Well, I know as you said the we just got through out of budget. Maybe we can beautifying that that area because it's just used constantly. It really is and it's and it is and I always want to always try to have it u beautiful I guess or look good looking when you you know when you're when you do uh use that section. Um Mr. Chairman, we'll know more about our fiscal situation next time you all meet. I was going to I was going to ask you that because you had made you made a com or you said something, not a commitment by any means. And I if that sounds terrible for

me to say, I'll strike that. But uh you kind of tweaked my interest, I guess, is a thing that you would know more as the bud as our budget this year closes. Uh and when is that? In um June 30th. June 30th. Okay. Not even two weeks away. Yeah, we're we're about 10 days away maybe or something like that. But by our next committee meeting, you'll be able to really ascertain the where we need to go and how we need to go through that. Would you agree with that? I could tell you what the possibilities are for funding. I'd still look for y'all for some direction on Sure. which way to go. Okay. Well, yes. And I appreciate that. um you just let us know what we what we're working with and in public works committee we'll find something. We're we're all we're good at always figuring it out. Well, I've got a motion. Sure. Yes, sir. By all means. So, I I would like to uh make a motion that we continue this discussion. Okay. uh and that we also ask uh Centurion to give us a bid by Quasco bid on the uh Drake's Creek Park bridge as well. We've got a quote here from Wasco to just strip it off and paint it for 38,000 for the Drake's Creek Bridge and 33,000 and that's just stripping it down there. They've got what $4,000 more and they'll actually put rock back on it. So I' I'd like to get a little get them to look at this other one and give a bid and that we put it back on the agenda in in a month for our next meeting for to continue to discuss. So we're not saying no. We're just saying we need to look at it a little more and and then see what the budget looks like at the end. Good. I think that's good.

Okay. Well, I'll second that um motion. Um any discussion on the motion from staff or alderman? I I do have one question. Yes. Does does that include going and I missed the conversation, but does it talk about going on the back side of it where you got to get down in the water to No. No, not the back side. Just street side and the columns. For whatever reason, I have seen the backside from a kayak. I don't know of many rock pieces that have fallen. I was just It hasn't really It hasn't really. I don't know why. I don't know if it has to do with how how the bridge vibrates or the cars go over it or I have, you know, this is terrible, but I've never really looked at it. Pretty much has to be in the water. Yeah, you do. But that's embarrassing like it is now. That is just that's doesn't speak highly of yes we can maintain and do better than that I know but the ruins like that look good in Athens Greece but not right oh maybe a couple hundred more years of Hendersonville all right there's been a proper motion in the second is there any other discussion on the motion uh we'll put this back on the agenda and for next next month's u committee meeting and then we will ask uh to get a centurion for a bid for Drace Creek Bridge as well and uh and see what that result is that about correct yeah and I'd just like for Andy to work with Kathy on that would that be good who's calling Centurion to hear you I can call him if you want I told him I'd let him know how the meeting went tonight.

Yeah. Let them know we're very interested in it and uh do the best they can to get it as low as they can. Yeah. All right. U any further discussion on the motion? All in favor of the motion sign saying I I oppose it. P the motion passes and so that's what we're going to do with that and put it on the agenda for next month. All right. Um, thank you, Miss Cat, for coming this evening. Thank you. And you're welcome to stay or you can go now for dinner or something. So, well, I think I'll go. All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks. All right. Um, all right. Let's go to number five. Moving right along is to the cemeteries. And that's something we kind of discussed briefly at our last meeting. And the mayor, I think you were going to come to us and give us I'm going to introduce this. I'm ask Mr. Mr. Batton to continue. Uh we've got multiple cemeteries in Hendersonville. We've got some large ones that are for-profit. Uh we've got several that are owned by churches, maintained by those churches. Um I actually have one in my backyard that's maintained by the HOA. Um, we've got, you know, where all the bodies are based. At least he's on my neighborhood. Uh, we've got, uh, a couple that are owned that are part of shopping centers that are taken care of. We've got one that is literally next to the walkway of church. Uh, they take care of it. We have five or six that technically have no owners. And what we've done in those situation is we pretty much relied on waiting for it to get in bad shape. if I call up some boy scouts or call up somebody looking at some sort of service organization, ask them if they'll go out there and take care of it and then six, eight, 10 months, we're back in the same

situation. Um the biggest of those with no owner um is one that that Mr. Battton brought to me a couple weekends ago. And you want to tell them what you told me? Yeah. Um, thank you all for uh, first off for what you do for the city and do a tremendous job running this big machine and and take my hat off to all of you for uh, what you do and putting your time in on it. Um, the Saunders Cemetery has got about 25 people buried there. Hubard Saunders being the main founder of Saundersville is buried there and his wife and uh, and then other descendants. They had he had 14 children and I'm sure a bunch of those are are buried there as well. And um about 25 years ago uh one of the family members took it upon himself to clean the place up and u Joe Saunders uh he passed away about three months ago. He was 94 years old and up until about five years ago, he took care of it. Um, being a a direct descendant of the Saunders and u cut the trees, the brush, cleaned it up, and kept it in really good shape until they couldn't do it any longer. And then my my wife and and some of her cousins took it over and have been paying to have it cut since that time. And uh about 3 or 4 months ago, a windstorm came through and knocked a bunch of trees down and it it was uh a little bit less than $10,000 cleaning all that up again. And so that is done. It's in really good shape right now. Um they even had some trees cut down that looked like they were going to fall on somebody else's property or or if they were eaten

up with termites or whatever. Keep in mind this is not his property, right? Yeah. Yeah. There's no owner. We checked the deed because up at the uh administration building in S County because we were concerned who's liable for this if these trees or something else happens there, somebody falls on the property and gets hurt and there is no owner of the cemetery. Um and um and I think the the amount of money they had to put out to put these trees cut these trees up and get them hauled off and and uh they are ready to throw the towel in and let it grow up again. And u my wife and I have taken it upon ourselves. We're going to continue for the rest of the year to keep it clean and mowed and uh see if we could get some relief from the city to uh since it is such a historical part of Summer County to uh take it over and and keep it mowed. Okay. And it's bordered by seven houses. Where is Where is Where is the cemetery? Scottish. You recognize that stretch of I do that in there. So Scottish Highlands, it's in Scottish Highlands. Yeah. when the developers um built that subdivision out, it's sad that they didn't cut a road back to that cemetery. But Joe Saunders uh when he started cleaning it up, there was an easement to the house on on the other side of where the ement is now. But it had been uh the cemetery had been uh uh growing wild for so many years, trees grew up where you couldn't get back to the cemetery through that easement. And

he went next door and uh and got another easement filed with the county and they were happy to give it to him because the people in that in that area really want this thing to be cleaned up instead of just letting it grow up wild. Um, and uh, so there is an easement to get back to it. Uh, going down the people's drive. From where, Jimmy? Where's the Eastman? St. Andrew's Road. It is this house right here. Okay. Yeah. Going right down their drive and and then right back to the cemetery. Okay. And so, by the way, the walls and cemetery are only just this part right here. the property 2/3 of an acre maybe. Yeah, it's a pretty good size piece of property. So, what does it mean that there's no owner? Who's the default owner? This city it honestly the best we can figure is it it's whoever had the land grant from North Carolina 200 years ago. Wow. It's not the city. I've talked to several mayors that similar situations and I've talked to there's actually an office of cemeteries and graveyards in the state. It is not our responsibility. Yeah. Is it possible that it's a skin war? The way the state looks at is is they look at as the responsibilities of the descendants. Okay. That if they want that so first off the whoever owns the cemetery has to keep it open for descendants to access it. That's the situation in my backyard. Somebody wants to come back there, I have to allow them. Um but the closest people that have any interest in it's the responsibility of his descendants. But they don't own it and they're and however they want to maintain it is up to them. Now this seven property owners around there would probably like it maintained. Yeah. Every time we've been over there, we get a lot of interest people walking out, you know, are you what are you going to do? You going to clean this

mess up? And yeah, they're really interested in uh what's going to happen, but they don't want to clean it up. Yeah. How many of these cemeteries? We think there are five or six that have no owner in Hendersonville. Okay. Most of them are much smaller than that. Most of them are much smaller than those walls right there. Okay. Okay. And the state has no uh I mean I know they have to be registered with the state. Uh graveyards have to register with the state, but the state has no help for maintaining these graveyards. Their point is really to have a registry of the ones that they know of, right? uh and make sure that they are open to descendants. That's what they're interested in. Okay. Kind of. We were just kind of talking about that because now I'm I mean I know this is selfish, but I'm thinking about my own family. I I don't know. I guess it Well, know some cousins on mama's side, but anyway, I'm sorry. I'm starting to think um well what what what is the suggestion? I mean obviously I want to keep cemeteries are kind of I'm kind of weird about them. I mean I I there's they're special because they're they're a family thing and uh and I don't the thing that I don't want to happen to it is as as as you didn't either. uh just to have it overgrown and just a a mess in the middle, especially in the middle of a subdivision. Um so so you're asking, just for the record, you're asking for some help from the city to see what we can help to resolve this issue, right? So mayor, what I mean,

well, we do it that when we really need to be prepared to do it the other way. Yeah, that's what I was going to say because whatever we do for this one, we need to be open to do for the rest of it. I'm not suggesting we become the owner, right? Because then it's ours forever. I mean, nobody's buying liabilities off of somebody else. I don't think there's any money to be made. I don't think there's really a a general purpose for the city to benefit from it. However, just like this cemetery, all the other cemeteries have an owner. They have neighbors and well similar situation in oh shoot uh abandoned uh HOA property um in off of a township. That's a little bit different. That actually has an owner that's HOA, but the ne the neighbors are calling us and saying why don't y'all come take care of this, right? We can say all day long it's not ours, but the neighbors still want us to take care of it. Yeah. Um and it becomes it becomes a health problem uh for those neighbors. So my best suggestion and take variations of this please is um that over sometime between now and next January those five or six that don't have any ownership that we send our public works over there to do a really good cleanup and in that time I'll start looking for organizations and start asking for volunteers say this is your cemetery this is your cemetery. Um also I'll research whether or not we can allow somebody to be buried there. I don't know the answer to that question. So the one in my backyard, somebody got somebody was buried there about three years ago. None of my neighbors know who gave permission for that. Right. Wow. They not off. I don't want to take ownership of them and I don't want to take action on cemeteries that have mur. So Jimmy, is your wife related to the Saunders? Yeah, she was a Monday. Her mother was a Saunders and they lived on the farm. There's still 45 acres left over on stop

30 road right along the bypass that they still have there out of 2,000 acres at one time. Yeah. Hard saunders on 2,000 acres all the way to the river and I don't know how far back this way in the uh 17 late 1700s. So your wife was a Monday, right? Is she kind of ray CER? She was a She's her family Monday. Um I've never heard that he her father was great in Monday. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Uh well, listen, I've been thinking a lot about public works because all of us are getting complaints about brush and limb pickup. I think I think we're going to have to look at the positive. I mean, if we're going to ask public works to do this, I think we're going to have to look at increasing their staff. We if if we decided to take over the maintenance long term, we would have to especially at at the midyear budget, okay? You know, uh and what I'm thinking of Well, I'll I'll talk with Sarah off the record. What I'm thinking, I won't put that on the record yet. We could also get to January and go up for bids. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. It it throws something else on Sarah either way. Yeah. I I'm real cognizant of how overworked they are right now. Excuse me. Yes, sir. Go ahead. Sarah and I both have landscape contracts, right? We have a landscape company that does city hall. We have a landscape companies that mow different areas. It could be you could talk with one of them about doing amendment to a current contract to one off or as needed. Yeah. For certain pieces of property. So what

they did makes my yard look terrible. The work that they did right now, it is a very nice cemetery with the surroundings. It's very nice. The rest of them, not so much. And Mayor Clary was kind enough to meet me over there on a Saturday morning. And uh and I had not been over there a great deal, but I was really surprised to see how good the rock how in good shape the rock walls were around the cemetery itself. It's it's uh it's stayed in pretty good order. And it's a it's a nice looking decent historical cemetery right now with all the dead trees gone, but there's a lot more of them. He he it inspired me to go mow my lawn. Well, it you know, for some of us that have lived in Hendersonville a long time, you know, that's a that you know, the history of it's unreal really when you really think about it. And you know that's another important thing that I think that's a good idea to you know I want to keep it clean and and do the family right to them because that there I mean it's a historical value to yeah at least the people that feel about the city the way that I do and I think most people in this room feel probably the same way you know that they I appreciate that and uh Uh it is uh it is a shame to just let it grow back up and I hate to that they've made that decision, right? But there's there's baults in there. There's small headstones and and there is a lot of history there. So Jimmy, what what have have you and your wife agreed to do to to continue this for a month or two or what? For the year for the rest of the year. For the rest of the year. We're

looking at We're looking at We need a plan for next year. Yeah. Yeah. We won't take care of it until the start growing calendar year. So that would be midyear but of course in the winter you don't have any right unless a tree falls but you don't have maintenance. So right again we're looking at another midyear budget. Yes. So we could look at this again and have a plan devised by midyear budget. What do you think? Or just a plan. you know, a working plan and whether I mean whether it comes to a reality, we will do our best to get that plan and we're pretty good about in public works about getting something on paper that we can look at and that'll give you guys time enough to um to look through your parts. I know but but I you were the one you raised the issue. Well, I was just saying I mean that Yeah, we have amended contracts before to include you know one oneoff weed eating for for a day or whatever where we didn't have to necessarily always put out an RFP and take months to get something done. Good. See, I'm thinking of all of the cemeter I guess yesterday. Actually, more than I think about it when we had had at Moby Dickies that um I mean Hendersonville, we've got more cemeteries around here and really do, you know, than I've ever ever known. This is the second house I've lived in with a cemetery in the backyard. That's crazy. So, what about uh prisoners labor? I mean, prison labor. I think that'd be good. Yeah. I don't know if public works has anybody trained to check out inmates, but it's a one-day class. We don't right now because there

was we weren't able to get any for a long time. Yeah, they'll give you a crew now. So, the county is willing to provide uh prison inmate labor, not prison, inmate labor. So that's another option that maybe we could look at. So maybe just ask the staff mayor to to try to come up with a plan for the midyear budget. Okay. So deal with these. Want to make sure that y'all aren't inclined to take over ownership of these. No. Okay. And that y'all are interested in helping the maintenance of it. That's the two big questions I have. Okay. And I'll get with Sarah and get with Jesse and we'll we'll come up with a plan now on the taking over. Now that's my opinion. Mine too. Yeah. Okay. Mine too. Yeah. I don't want to take it over. We own a lot of land. That's just a liability. I don't want to add to it. Exactly. Right. A lot of land with trees on it. Mhm. The fall. Unfortunately, Miss Dixon, do you have any as an Aman? Do you have any say so on or fe? No, I'm right there with you. I I I don't think that we should extend beyond uh just maintaining and I I don't think we should put any money in making them look new fence new bridges or fencing, you know, that but because we're opening up for a big a big door there. So, right. I would be happy to meet any anyone over there uh if you wanted to walk through it. And I I uh had sent some photos to Mayor Player if anybody wants to see him. Yeah. That's in war two, is it? There you go. And you can just probably Yeah. How old is the fence, Jimmy? The the stone wall. Well, there was people buried there in the 1700s, so I'm

thinking it goes back that far. Yeah. Wow. And the stones aren't falling off. That's a good thing. Well, y'all are doing a great job. What do you just have a contractor to go out and do it? We have the guy that cuts our grass at our home. Uh they used to I'm the new mower at my home, but So, can you tell me how much he charges to do it? $170. That's what we pay him $170 a month. Okay. Okay. Look at That's neat. So, it's at least as old as 1829. So, that's when Hbert Saunders died. And by the way, if you look at his will, it's pretty interesting. So Jenny gave it to him. Okay. So we'll work on it. Well, I sure appreciate any consideration. Oh, yeah. Well, that is Well, I'm glad you came came to us now as opposed to us finding out about it two years from now. That brick did a hell of a job. Heck, excuse me. Heck of a job on there. Look at that. [Laughter] [Music] Mr. B, you've done a That's a remarkable job they've done. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh I was surprised the first time I went over there on how nice it looked and how good a shape the rock wall as far since they they go back at least to the early 1800s. Scott doesn't have an So, we'll put this back and then you all are prepared to to come to us. Just put it on the agenda for whenever that is. Okay. and and then come up just you know when you're when you guys are ready. Sounds good.

Yeah. The u one last thing on the family. Um the reason that they're saying throw in the towel is they're all in their 70s now. Yes, sir. And they're satisfied that when they're gone, nobody is going to nobody else in the family is going to none of their kids. They don't live here and nobody else is going to take it over after they're gone. So they're their position was why keep it going till the last one of us die. Uh we'll just throw in the towel right now. So that was their Well, I understand that. I mean, I really do. That makes sense, you know. So nobody knew is being buried there. This guy that just died, you said owners that just died. He's not buried in there, is there? No, there's not been anybody buried there in many, many years. Okay. No. It's not an active cemetery. No. Okay. All right. Well, that's what we're going to do. We're going to look and to see what we can do. Um, if I can do anything whatsoever, please let me know. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Take all of you. Okay. This is the hospital construction man right here. Good to see you, buddy. Oh, you keep up those words, brother. It's good to see you again. Good to see you, Andy. Good to see you, brother. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'm glad he came the when he did. That was I mean because you know the worst thing I want I want us to see is something especially in the cemetery is it's all broken up and messed up and you know tombstones are kicked over or not kicked over but just weathered you know the years have come by they just fallen apart. So but I think this is a good idea for you know for Hendersonville to honor its past. So I I agree with you. We should not take ownership, right? We should not put an additional

burden on public works staff if we can contract it out 175 a month for six months a year, you know, and uh so uh and I don't want to spend a whole lot of money on rock walls and stuff just maintaining the appearance of it. So on those parameters, I I'm willing to look at options. Okay. Okay. Um, we'll go ahead and move along to the light synchronization, an update on that for this month's meeting. So, we um based on the estimate for construction and then T do DOT's oversight cost and the CI contract which is required um we have identified a $220,000 shortfall in this project. I've gone back to the CAMAC office through T DOT and they have agreed to fund that. That's 100%. Yeah, you got that erotic. It's in an email. Um but I'll take it. In order to move in order to move um toward construction, the tip uh the document through the GNRC has to be amended to include those additional funds to cover the total construction estimate. Can we do that? They're doing it. they're going to have that in the July amendment. And so then once the tip is amended, we send that to T do DOT. They will then um seek obligation of funds from FA or from CMAC office and FHWA. Um and then we would be issu be issued the notice to proceed to construction to be able to bid. So that process most likely is about another two months I would estimate at least. But that's a pretty good investment. two months for 200,000. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Very happy to hear that. That good job. Will we have to do

anything a resolution or ordinance or anything? No. Okay. No. We're good to go. That's good news. All right. Well, that's good. Right there. Just stop. Let's just call it the meeting right there. All right. Um I don't have any other Listen, that took care of that shortfall. I don't have any other questions for tonight for that. Um, does anyone else have any questions on that after that? That's a a blessing and thank you for your hard work. The only thing that I'm hearing I'm hearing and I think all of us are is the lon brush pickup. Yeah. And uh Trey sent me a a email that we had two claws down, but he thinks they're getting ready to get back in. So, Uh I I don't I don't I want to be patient but uh are we doing all that we can on that Sarah? Do you believe we are right now? Okay. Yeah. So you said that you had some staff shortfall. What can you tell us that? Sure. So we had an equipment operator three retire. So that's he was one of our operators for the last 30 years. So his route um does not have an operator now. And so we're kind of trying to cover cover that on top of we have um I think it's three staff members out on medical leave right now. So just doing the best we can with the resources we have. Okay. and the on call contractor that we have um that came in after the tornadoes and storms, they are out of Mississippi and really intended for like a major declared event where we have, you know, hundreds of thousands of cubic yards um

to collect. So, unfortunately, they wouldn't mobilize for for something like this to get us caught up for probably five maybe 5,000 cubic yards. So the what we tell on the website and what we tell people is about every six weeks that it should be picked up typically with with this delay is how is that stretched out instead of every six weeks? Is it now every eight weeks or eight to 8 to 10 weeks? 8 to 10 weeks after a major storm or we have a lot of trees down like that. It typically will extend out to eight, sometimes 8 to 12 weeks depending, but I think right now we're sitting by 8 to 10 weeks. Okay. You know, we've been hit hard, you know, but I, you know, there wasn't a this past week is nothing but sunshine and 90. So, you know, sometimes that we just have to bear the heat, I guess, and uh and not pray for rain, you know, to get some of these u just picked up. I'm sorry. No, that's okay. No, one of our other backup operators is our concrete crew chief, but this is also the time of year where sidewalks are buckling, so we have a very long list of sidewalks that have to be addressed. So it's it's just the situation we're in. Well, for sure we put more and more on all of our departments, but I can see it because I'm sitting on this committee of public works and I I hear sometimes the frustration in uh some of the staff, you know, that hey, we're doing the talk on as best we can. you know, we're just so uh you know, at at an appropriate time, I might have a suggestion for mid-year budget that for discussion purposes. So, I'll talk to you about it first. Okay.

Okay. Thank you. All right. I'm hearing any any other light synchronization. Uh we'll go to other business. Is there any business before us at all? I don't foresee. Do you can I bring it up the what I want to come next month? Oh yes. Um so we have had a a little issue in Ward 4 um on Indian Lake going down to the d going traveling south to the end of the peninsula. Okay. They're in front of the Indian lake elementary school. Um the swimming tenn tennis club is on the road. Um, okay. Otherwise, the road was the name of the road just left me in Lake Terrace crosses and then as you go through that intersection um it turns into Neto Lake. Right there we had a child hit. Um they were on a I think it was a scooter um electric scooter and um no nobody was hurt. Um at within days we had someone uh near miss um over at the school bus entrance to the school uh a walking path across um where someone almost got hit by a child on another motorized vehicle. Um I think he was eight um and it was like a dirt bike, right? and um myself and another member of the staff of Hendersonville, I won't say his name. Um, we both live in there and we have done our darnest to ensure that we've had police in there because I'm telling you and when it got a little warm outside um I guess everybody got some sort of motorized vehicle for Christmas from Santa and um as soon as they get

off the bus within 15 minutes um I don't know if anybody recalls the Mad Max movies but they look like the entire uh cast of Mad Max coming down through each they've got their their uh gear on. They've got where they're wearing their bandanas and they're driving whatever motorized vehicle Santa gave them. It could be uh you know um a Razor, an electric scooter, an electric bike, a dirt bike, a all-terrain vehicle, or a a golf cart. And and they're like in mass quantity going down through the neighborhoods and they're all underage, every one of them. So, thank goodness for HPD. They've come in, we've talked to parents, we've put out notices. I put, you know, things on our the the website and I've done it in other other neighborhoods around um because yeah, I hear it not just from this neighborhood. Um and uh so you know we've tried to get that cleaned up but then there are folks that live on Lake Terrace that are concerned about that particular intersection because there's somewhat of a blind sight uh coming from meta met and it's a straight shot. There's no caution light. There's no yield sign. you just pass through those two roads that are coming and when school's letting out, there's lots of people on the side of the road. So, uh, one of, uh, the neighbors in that area, um, is working on some data and would like to come and bring it here. They they want a stoplight there. I don't know if that's the answer. I don't know if the stop light is the answer. I know it's going to be a great concern from the folks who live further down the peninsula to have to go through another stoplight to get out of the peninsula. Um, but if it's what we need for safety, it is what it

is. I I'm not willing to say I'm neutral right now. Very neutral on it. And I know Sarah's uh staff is helping us with some analysis, right? Yes, ma'am. Um, so and she's we're thinking we'll have that done by the end of ch or for the next public works. Okay. Yes. And I'd like to have him come and show you his data. Sure. We'll put him we'll put him on first thing then and on our agenda that we can any of you can I say his name on camera? Jack Campbell. Okay. He is a apparently a contractor that's well known um or used to be um a contractor in the area. So I appreciate it. Thank you so much. I don't want anybody hurt and thank goodness for PD and and everybody putting out the notices and it going in the newspaper. So thank goodness it it it's gotten better. It's gotten a lot better. Okay. Well, we'll tell Mr. Campbell will put him on. Yes. And tell him. Um, but I know who who he is. And tell him. Okay, good. Just tell him. I said hi. I hadn't seen you in a while. It's been a while since I've seen him. So, but yeah. U tell him we put him on so you know we can talk about it. Yeah. And that'll give you enough time now since you all have already been in contact with each other. Um, I haven't communicated with Mr. Campbell, but we have um collected some traffic. Well, with all talking Yeah. We'll have to talk. Okay. Yes. I'm sorry. All right. Good deal. All right. We'll put him on then for our next meeting for sure. Thank you. You're very welcome. I'm glad you brought that to our attention cuz Yeah. We don't want our children hurt in Hendersonville. And that's all of us from, you know, that's the worst thing for the world really. Well, you know, when 14y olds have dirt bikes Yeah. that they're riding them who were riding them

in their neighborhood very fast. right? And no, there's no stop line lot signed to them. They don't care, you know, they're just um and it it it got really out of hand. And so the younger folks thought, well, if they can do it, I can, you know, so um but I think we've got it somewhat under control. And we also had a lot of illegal golf carts being used by adults. Yeah. So, and that has slowed down somewhat, but it's very hard being right next to a swim and tennis community when they want to drive those there. So, is, you know, if they're driving them responsibly, you know, I didn't ever That's a different issue. Totally different. But, thank you. You're doing your job and so that's good and I appreciate that. Thank you. That's what it is. All right. All right. Is there anything else? Well, if not, we'll go ahead and call this meeting motion to All right. There's been a second. And are we off? 603. Andy, you don't have any golf carts in your subdivision, do