Public Works Committee - Regular Meeting

She makes the silver on the sidelines. Can y'all be there before? Two goals for her. Yeah.

All right. We'll go ahead and call the meeting to order for April 28th. Uh for the public works committee. Uh there's no objection. We'll just s order on the acceptance of the agenda. If there's any additions or deletes, we will take care of it. Hearing none. Going [snorts] on to the minutes. Uh I need a motion. So move and I'll second that motion to approve the minutes as well. Any further discussion on the minutes? Hearing none. Is everybody ready to vote? All in favor of the minutes signify by saying I. I. All oppose. Um um we have one that is not going to be here. I have a I don't know why that I cannot think of his name. Michael

Mike Martin. I could not think of it and I don't I must been one of those moments where you just forget it. You know, I'm getting to that age. I believe that can't be it. [laughter] But anyway, uh Michael Martin's not here this evening, but he'll be back in two weeks. See, so we've got he's got some things that he has to take care of tonight. So, we will miss him. So, uh we've got that approved for the minutes. Now, uh for citizens comments, uh Joby, did you have anything to say at this point or what to wait?

Sure. Okay. We have a u I guess Miss Thomas, is that Barb? Yes. We would love to hear from you. It says his comments this evening. [snorts] What can we do to help or you will make a or whatever you want to do? The floor is yours. Okay. Uh Mr. Jamie suggested me to come here. Yes.

So um I the major concern I'm having is that the recycling in our area. So we were in US around 20 years back. At that time um in our apartment complex there were bins separated for glasses, tins and plastic cans. So now uh not just in our apartment or community or anywhere we cannot find a spot for public recycling uh for this thing. So I would really like if there is an opportunity for us to get a public place where we can draw. Okay. I don't know. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you and I apologize. Is there anything else?

Um, we searched I found out certain sports in Walmart there pl recycling Publix. Uh, they do paper recycling. So, we at at our home we have three separate bins for paper, this plastic bag and plastic bottles also. But I have no way to recycle plastic bottles now. Even glass also that beautiful looking glass boat that we get from Costco, Starbucks or I have to put in trash along with the waste. So I'm sad that in the trash can some landfill. So I want to think and find some solution where where is there is a common place a central point where we can put all these things and recycle.

Okay. Well, that's very admirable because uh that is something that Addie and myself and I know that the public works committee um every year we talk about that during our trash. We really do and it's something that that we're always excited to try to get on board and I appreciate you coming tonight and expressing how you feel about that because it is important. Um, you know, like we [snorts] have to talk, we talk trash every every meeting that we have because it's important because it's going to we're we're we're getting close to where we don't know where we're going to be able to take it, you know, because it's just filling up the the trash system and recycling is an answer for the city. We just got to figure out how we can adopt the city can adopt it. Um I did not know I don't know Eddie you might have known this already but public uh public public not public

but publics I didn't know that they had a place where they could take that I mean so so they do okay well I'll let people know that this evening at the board level at the at the big board because that's important because I did not know that. I knew that Walmart did but I wasn't sure. Walmart only takes plastic plastic plastic bags, not bottles. And plastic bags. So on in Publix there are two trash. One is for paper and one is for plastic. Okay. Well, that's okay. Um are there any other gods? Do y'all know there is there any other uh place in town that does do that?

I don't think because I don't know of any um within the county. There's the resource authority. Yeah, that's a recycling center there. And then there is a privately run uh business that that does recycling pickup uh street side. Okay. But that's Yeah. Yeah. I think we talked about this. Yeah. They um we not only that we had a place we had a a machine at one time called the golden goat and uh it I used to take my stuff to get the to get the cans crushed and they give you money back

and uh but it I guess when uh aluminum wasn't making enough money for them they took it out of town. It was down here at that gas marathon gas station. It was right beside that place. California used to have this California recycle value, CRV value for these bottles where if you return bottles that from different um Coke or other products, you used to get like 25 cents back or 5 back. I don't know what was that, but yeah, there used to be like a vending machine where you could dump the bottles and you would get cash back. Mhm.

Yeah. We used to do that here in I used to make my money doing that at the old food town down there. You do you remember when food town was here? AM. That's where That's where I went. That's where I took mine. Okay. They used to do it. I can't even remember what the price it was. Like 5 cents, I think. Yeah. Five cents.

Yeah. And then then the state quit doing it. So, well, thank you. Um, is there anything else that we can help you with or Well, thank you. Uh it has been a pleasure for you all to come to our committee and I'm sorry we're one short uh but sometimes this place is packed so you came to the right and it's got on TV is here too so it's going out you know citywide countywide and well we've had people that actually have that watch us in Indiana

yeah that used to live here and they'll they'll watch it you know and I'll get emails or calls on, you know, what's going on here and that kind of thing. That tells you a lot about Indiana. [laughter] Let me ask you a question. Are you are you asking for some kind of depository for bottle plastic bottles? Is that what you're not plastic but the glass ones and if plastic bottles are available that also anything that can be recycled if there is a place where we can put it like Publix or any other place we can go there and do it. Does Publix have a place for plastic bottles? No, only plastic. They only have plastic bags uh and papers and

cardboards also. I was wondering anyway we'll put cardboards aside while the trashes are being picked up. Are they getting recycled? Any idea about that? No, we don't have any anywhere in town that that does uh recycling for uh like boxes and things like that. No, other than the private individuals that do the Green Village. I think that's the only Green Village. Are you familiar with Green Village? It's a private company that you subscribe and they'll come to your home, right? Twice a month or I I don't know the frequency. They come to your home and pick up recycle products, but it's a subscription service. I have

How many people use it? I mean, do you know people are using it? Because generally what happens is recycling is like a if it is costing the homeowner or people they tend to probably avoid using that. I don't know if that is the case here. I don't either. I don't know. That's a good question because I don't know. A lot of people would rather just dump the trash just like it because it's already being taken care of. So why pay extra for Yeah, that's what they're thinking. Yeah, I understand that. We used to have a committee, didn't we? A trash committee that looked at recycling and

and various things like that. Is that is that a is that dormant? They made a recommendation to us um based on the data from the pilot program and we went out for bids and didn't get anybody interested. Yeah. And I think at that time too, and I don't know what it is now, but Jamie, mayor is exactly right on that. Um it was just not going to be cost prohibitive. I mean that's what the the ultimate reality of it was for the city of Hendersonville on that. But you're right they didn't get any we didn't get any bids from that.

How is the landfills managed right now? I mean all the trash just goes into some kind of a crusher and then dumped into a land. Is that what happens? Well, what happened? That's basically the correct uh procedure that what happens to the trash and then they they take the trash to a certain location in Nashville from here. Um and then it's distributed out to other uh trash u landfields.

Well, yeah, it goes to landfills eventually. That's where it goes. And I think ours that are in is in Murphy'sboro and and I think ultimately Kentucky. Isn't that right? I think I'm not 100% certain. I think that's where part of our trash is in Murphy'sboro and then the other part uh goes to Kentucky. Yeah. I'm almost sure that's right. I've seen videos on on where they show this whole cycling section where trash comes in, it gets through a shredder and it's kind of cleaned and separated into different ch and all that stuff. I've not seen that happen. Yeah,

we don't do that here. No, sir. Yes, sir. That's right. So, we don't do that. But, but anyway, yes, I keep uh keep the mayor's office, you know, uh you know, on your mind. And if you if you all think of anything that can help us, that would be great because we're always looking for things, you know, that will will help our city. And uh by coming tonight, you've you've done it and I appreciate you all coming because it it makes me

Just as a followup to that, could we ask the staff to do a survey of of the commercial establishments that do collect uh recycle? We know Publix, but just kind of check around the grocery stores and, you know, just kind of do a little survey and bring that back to us so that we can have further discussion. Yeah, I know Walmart does and Publix. Does that does that sound doable? Yes, sir. Casey, sure. And we can also just include the information about the resource authority in Gallatin where you can take bottles and drop there. It's in Gallatin. It's for the whole county because I do believe, isn't that right, Stephen? That they have a spot there.

So, it's not in the city, but it is in the county and you can take those things. Like we tried going there but it was not clear as to whether we can enter the place or where the where you can drop it off. So maybe a few sign words there that clearly indicate that you can drop it off or something like that. I think we tried going there it's a little bit out of the place right? So yeah reach there and we were not sure where we are going. So it was not clear as to whether

you can where do you put it and it looked like there were like those big tankers and truck boxes but we were not sure whether we are allowed to go in some difficult to understand whether they actually do it. Yeah, it is way out there. So any but thank you guys for coming and letting us know. So you're welcome to stay or you can go eat somewhere.

So uh but thank you all and we'll we'll put that on. I think Edd's right. We'll we'll put that on and uh and see what happens cuz I would like to know if there's anybody else that does recycling besides I know Walmart and now Publix I know for sure does but I don't know of any anybody else recycling page on our we do I was just looking yeah we do um when you go to the trash and recycling there's a little page that it basically mentions links and I think it has links for the commercial you can green village And then it has information about the resource authority in Gabon. Okay.

Have you been on the that website? Look for that site. Is it under public works? It is. Uhhuh. Under public works. Go to our website. Go to public works and it there should be a a link for recycling. Yes. Okay. To have some more information about it. Thank you. All right. All right. Get out of the way. It's nice to see you. A pleasure. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. Ordinances, resolutions. We have one this evening. It's a resolution 202616. some resolution authorizing the mayor to sign a proposal with T uh Tennessee Department I was going to say T dot Tennessee Department of Transportation for the bridge project over Maser Creek on Galin Pike. Um I need a motion. So moved and that's proper second has been uh made [snorts] and so mayor.

Yeah. Um I'm very surprised to receive something like this from T dot. I think T dot could probably go ahead without our agreement. Stephen probably feels otherwise. We should we should sign it, but I felt like we should bring it here. Um, uh, it's their right away. It's their bridge. It's their road. It's their pavement. Um, and it's it it would benefit us obviously.

What What I I I'm in the dark. What What's going on here? So the Manser the bridge over Manser Creek between Dave and Gutty and Summer County TA is replacing that and they want us to to agree to not get in their way and other things. What I read was about if they have to go to court to get land. That was part of it. That was part of it that we wouldn't object to it and there's no reason they would have to do that. [snorts] Yeah. That bridge, God, I I don't know if that's ever been replaced. I mean, it's it's old. Mhm.

And I'm surprised that it's still standing, to be honest with you. So, what's your what's your concerns? No, I don't have any. Okay. Um Okay. I I can't think of a time they've ever requested something like this from us before. Seems a bit odd on their own roadway that they're asking for concurrence, but they are asking for it nonetheless. The item that stood out to me was if they have to remove any of our property, any of our signage that we have to replace it. I don't think we have anything over there that this is a G Nashville Pike right there between Madison and G. Yeah. I don't even know if there's any signs or anything. The whole thing seems very boilerplate. Yeah.

Did they Did they say when they were going to start on it? Let's see. I didn't pick up any timelines. Yeah, probably the millennium [laughter] thousand years. They'll get to it in five or 10 years from now, probably. I don't know. I didn't feel like I could sign that without the board's approval. Well, I appreciate them coming to us and letting us know though, you know. Um, I'm all for it. Uh, replacing it for that bridge cuz I I cannot recall a time it's ever been replaced. It's in pretty rough shape. Yeah,

there's like exposed rebar. Yeah, it's pretty bad. You know that comes from mind when we had that bridge there at the um New Shackle Island Road, Gton Road when Bobby Green and I look went underneath the where the trail track the train tracks are and we looked up and you could just basically see the sky and I'm going I am not driving that. That's how bad that's how scary it was.

And uh but we got it that we were able to get that bridge fixed here in town. because that was right on Main Street. I was like, man, we better get reared in gear on that and we were able to. So, well, um, if it's okay, mayor, I I would like to be a sponsor on that. Be the only sponsor if you want. No, that's [laughter] okay. Really loves coming. So, I I'll be on there with you. Um, if there's if if you don't have any objection.

No, I don't. Okay. Thank you. I'll go ahead and put my name on there, too. Um, okay. Is there any further discussion on that? Hearing none, is everybody ready to vote? All in favor of this resolution 2026 is authorizing mayor to sign a proposal with Tennessee Department of Transportation uh for the bridge project on Master Creek on Galvin Pike. Signify by saying I I all oppose. It passes with uh one of one person that's not here. So, it's still unanimously. Uh, that was our only work work for this evening. Uh, we're on to other agenda items and trash collection update. How was that going? Well, you'll see one spike in there. Might wonder why. So, that was the Monday after Good Friday. So, staff was not working on Friday. So every miss that came into our office on Friday got logged on Monday.

So it makes it look like Monday had a bad day. A bad day. [laughter] So it it was a little bit elevated. Nonetheless, you know, if you take the the 27 misses that day, cut it in half, you know, assume half of it was Friday from Friday and half of it was from Monday is still a little bit kind of above where we've been, which is like the 10 misses or less. But um still I mean it it's kind of maintained that flatness since they've corrected. But yeah, any questions? It's pretty low considering when it was at some point average of 10.

It's still Yeah, it's still low. I just hope it keeps they going to go. Um any other discussion on the uh trash? I didn't have anybody. I normally have, you know, like I know I say this every meeting, one or two, maybe three calls on the trash, but I didn't have any this last time. Um this last past week, I had a couple during the week, but they they called before they got there, you know, they they would call back and they just [clears throat] came and pick it up.

So, they were just a little uh wanting to get that trash out there. Casey, you do a good job in keeping everybody informed that they were going to miss because of all. So, yeah, we're getting everybody trained. That's good. Pretty good. I always share that. Thank you. Okay, let's go on to the storm debris removal update on that.

All right. Uh, so the the main contract for debris removal is complete, and I've touched on that before. So, that includes the hauling, the reduction, the cleanup of the the limb dump. That's all all done. Um, we we've been working with FEMA since then to get a secondary project approved for stump stump grinding of of hazard stumps that were left as part of the storm damage. Um, and it it took a a bit of time to get through that, but uh, between Drake's Creek Park, Memorial Park, Meard Point, Sanders Ferry, and Country Hills, we had roughly 130 stumps, um, from tree removals that had occurred from the storm. And, uh, this last Monday, we we started like as in yesterday, stump grinding started to to happen at Country Hills. And uh the update I got from Lynn at the golf course is it looks like they might be done with stump grinding on the golf course by Thursday, which avoids our weekend crowds out there. Um it avoids any upcoming May tournaments that are on the schedule. Um probably another couple of days to wrap up the parks. So I the the majority of the stumps were on Country Hills Golf Course. There were right around a hundred on the course. So they're moving quick though. The estimate, but they'll be done by Thursday or, you know, maybe early Friday morning. So,

that's good. I know um I was talking to the mayor earlier this this evening prior to the meeting and we've had some calls because of the storm like last night

with, you know, tree not major trees like we've had once before, but you know, where their limbs are down and that kind of thing. And uh and so um I think I even I had a tree that was down to um and I hadn't I hadn't touched it yet, but I'm going to try to work on it tomorrow, get it up to the side of the road. But so we're going to anticipate that. You know, a lot of people don't, you know, I tried to explain to them and I'll try to explain tonight. The unfortunate thing about our trees is they're they're weak right now because of the storm dam damage and the cold weather and that you know and and that has played a real serious role this year. Of course, I'm not a tree surgeon or anything, you know, but I, you know, I've been in public works a couple of years on that and I know uh but that's the problem with our trees, you know, that they've they are not well.

Mhm. And they're weak because of that. And that's why you're seeing a lot of the trees, you know, that had damage that are falling so quickly now because they're just weak trees and it's going to take a while for them to get strong again. So anyway, um I've got a question on that. Last night at the budget meeting, it was mentioned that we have put in for expedited review of FEMA. Can you explain what that is? I didn't ask last night, but uh and and what's the probability that we that that that is available for expedited reimbursement?

Um [clears throat] I think the probability is good. Again, it's hard to say with FEMA. Uh, but that's um a package that we put together with a consultant um where we check some boxes to submit it to FEMA to get essentially a what we're anticipating is half of it reimbured rather quickly within maybe six months and then a full reconciliation happens with FEMA for the remaining 50%. We don't know exacts, but that was um Tamara's done it before and that was her previous experience with it. So, she anticipates that it will be a similar experience where you get 50% rather quickly. The last 50% after full review and reconciliation with FEMA, which would be their typical one to two-year reimbursement time.

So, six months if it comes, that'll be midyear adjustment. We need to get about a million dollars. Yeah. approximately because they reimburse 75% of cost. All right, any more discussion on storm removal? Hearing none, we'll move right on to Drake's Creek and stop 30 intersection project.

So, I'll start with uh the the hard part, which is the permitting that we're working through. We've known all along the critical path. We're still working with uh Army Corps and Tekk to get through our permitting processes there. Um it's it's a difficult process. That's all I can say. It's just I mean surely we gave them some uh initial uh request because we wouldn't I mean what if they say no? Well, the answer isn't flat no. It's just we have additional requirements to meet is really what it comes down to. Um to to satisfy their their request for more or less relocating the stream along uh stop 30 road. So the ditch that runs along the north side of of stop 30 is considered a stream in their under their jurisdiction. So,

I will say they have been pretty responsive though because we've asked for meetings and they have been very quick to meet with us and so um we're actually developing a plan right now where we think it is likely to get the at least initial um sign off from them on approval. Um so I think from that perspective they have been um responsive to working with us through a couple of these issues. It's really just one small area of the project that they're kind of hung up on right now. I think the bulk of the project looks pretty good. There's one little area where they're like, "Hey, we need to do something here." So, we're we're probably going to reach back out to them this week or early next week with our proposed resolution. And uh I think they'll probably give us a pretty good indication if that's uh a route that will be approved. And then we'll just develop the plans a little bit further to meet kind of what we've proposed. to them. Uh HUD's doing the relocation right now, so we're able to do some of that and overlap, which is good because there's part of the project that's going on right now. Uh but yeah, there's there's a little bit of a back and forth with

So this permitting is not slowing down HUD from doing relocation. Yeah, the sorry I was just going to say I think that the positive is like if we meet the Army Corps's requirements TK more or less falls in line behind them. It's you know if if if we're satisfying Army Corps we're also satisfying TC and their permitting requirements. So that one should be easy easier than getting through the Army Corps permitting.

It's a process. It is. So I know. I mean, but [laughter] as far as the tracks of land, we're we're good on all the tracks of land, which was a major component of that project. So yeah, that that's the the that's the kind of the bright side is on the acquisition part of it. Uh we're just waiting out the 30 days with the court filings to to be advertised and we should I would expect within the next 15 to 30 days at most have okay from the court to enter on that property. That's my expectation.

That's good. It's it's always hard working with state agencies. So and the federal Yeah. Well, that is Yeah, that's that goes without even saying that. But

yeah, the monthsl long, you know, shutdown with the government kind of played into the timelines on all of that too back in last fall. Steve, I would like to add to our list or next week, next public works meeting an update on the old Drakes Creek and New Shackle Island project from the county. So, you'll need to contact Marshall and just kind of get an update so that you can give us an update on that project. It's a critical project for the safety of that area. So, I want Marshall Boyd to know that we're the staff is asking questions.

Give us a report. Just put it on there for a verbal meeting. Okay, we can do that. That Okay, sure. I I I think so. Just to let I think it's wise to let him know. Yeah. just because that'll fire for him. I guess keeping that we hadn't forgotten. Um all right, any other discussion on the Dre Creek up 30. All right, we'll move on along to the light synchronization project. All right. Um

we have bid award concurrence from T DOT that occurred on April 8th. Uh the award amount was roughly 1.6 million. Um and that didn't require us to go back and ask for any money. So we had that that available for funding this project. Uh the pre-construction meeting for the project is anticipated to be in early May with a start date at the end of May, early June. So, I'll be out there hopefully within the next 30 to 45 days starting this project. How long do they anticipate the project will take once they start?

I I want to say it's goes into August or September. Oh, that's not too bad. And they're put radar. This is the This is the Yeah, this is the radar detection. So, um, this will help with issues like I don't know if you all of you were all tracking with the, uh, the Sanders Fairy, uh, Milan overlay that affected the signal there. So, that took out the loops. You know, when unfortunately that intersection couldn't be included because of rightway issues. But at other intersections where we mill and overlay, we won't have in pavement loops anymore for detection. It'll all be radar. So, the signals will just continue to operate as normal whether it's milled or not. So, it's kind of one of the nice things about that.

Talking about bridges, what condition is the bridge there in Gallatin Road there at Sanders Ferry? Uh the the Oakidge Bridge. I think that was replaced maybe like 15 years ago or so. Okay. Yeah, it's not that old. Yeah, it's Yeah, it's I'm sure it's not. I mean, I can't tell you exactly where it is, but I don't think that's bad. And I've been under there on a kayak many times and it's it's of all the bridges I've been under, that one's probably the best. You know, we get we we get or I get complaints about people trying to turn left off of Gallatin Road into Sanders Fairy Road. Yeah.

And is there anything that we can do to squeeze in another turn lane there to uh working with T DOT? Is is is there any possible way that we could help the the left traffic with with the the current pavement widths we have. Unfortunately, no. I mean, it it's going to require widening. And that is actually one of the

the the corridor study we have in our our transportation capital improvement plan right now includes that section of, you know, for for analysis of what potential options we might be able to implement to gain capacity there. So, it's it's part of that study. it. And you're correct. It definitely needs two left turn lanes, but we also have to have Sanders Ferry be wider, too, to receive two turn lanes.

So, it's not just the main street, it's also Saunders Ferry that has to wide. And it can't, you know, it's very difficult to widen out into the water. And it's developed with businesses on the west side. So, there would have to be some acquisition of property to do that. But I mean a long term I think that's what needs to happen either. Okay, good question because we get them too about there, you know. I just, you know, uh I mean, I'm thankful that we're we're on the same uh hbook because that's what I tell I don't because what I see I don't think that it's there's not enough road there for them to have additional lanage to go on to Gal Road from S Road. I didn't see it. And like Stephen said, that is in it's actively being designed right now by a traffic engineer that that stretch roadway to address dual left turn lanes. So that was one of those projects in the transportation plan that is in design right now. So yeah, we should you guys should see something we have some milestone dates on when that will be completed. So we'll have something to report to Bulma, you know, relatively soon on the stretch of main to traffic. So it might be good for a future meeting also to let us know what projects in the transportation plan that we have that we are pursuing with in further engineering designs. So maybe put that on there to move forward. [clears throat] So I don't know which take it the next step.

All right. Uh any other discussion on the synchronization project? We're making some head definitely headway there. So I'm very I know the public works committee is very proud of that or excited for that. Let's go to the LED street light conversion project. Oh yeah. What's the status of that then? Yeah. So, um the the last update I got was Thursday afternoon, April 23rd. Okay. 775 of the 2338 fixtures have been replaced with LED. Um I have our signal tech. Kind of spot checking those. How much was it again? Seven. What?

775 of the 2,338 total fixtures that are to be replaced at the time. So that's that's 35% complete roughly. Is that focused on main street first? Uh no, it's it's kind of dispersed throughout the city in various locations. I I know you know on both of the peninsulas we've had replacements. We've had some on Main Street. I think they've done Drake's Creek Park. Um I think Winston has had something done out kind of in that area. So, they're kind of all over the place. So, 2,378

2,338 total that that's what'll be done in in the hands. Right now, we're at 775. So, that's that's Well, you're right. About 35. Yeah. So, that's good. And and sort of secondary to that is uh we've also reached out to the HOAs just to let them know that this project is going on and that if they have any interest in working with uh with the consultant that's doing this this job uh they might be able to get preferred pricing on replacing the lights within their subdivision as part of it. So

yeah, what about the parks? Is that included in the 775 or have you started in the parks? I believe Drake's Creek Park has been done. That that was when I looked at the map it had been circled as being complete. All of them. The street lights, not the not the all the field lights. Oh, sorry. I should have clarified.

Yes, the the street lights with Okay. Okay. All right. And then any other discussion on that? That's a that's a good They've hit a good lick on that. So, let's keep you know, let's hopefully they'll keep it up. Um, okay. We've already talked about the recycling discussion. Is there any uh any further discussion on that? Mayor, is there anything else that you want to

Um, not while we're still in the meeting. Okay, we can we can wait till later. U that's under we're talking now about other business. Jesse had mentioned to me earlier today some some discussion regarding uh shy shy calculations and and how we handle those. Um and uh kind of where the numbers we use currently. Um some something we have done over the last couple of years, probably about annually, we kind of look at where our our spreadsheet in estimating the value of subdivision improvements are for, you know, roadway and and storm water infrastructure. Um where it falls in relation to TOT region 3 pricing um and we we kind of use that region 3 of course we're part of. Um so it gives us a good baseline for estimating the cost of these to to estimate shy requirements for our developers

just so that you know we have have something to hold them accountable for completing their projects. So so we're basically along the line with the state is what that is. Is that what you're saying? Generally. Yeah. Because, you know, as a [clears throat] as a government agency, we expect to probably pay similar pricing if we get something out to bid to have it constructed. And, you know, let's say a developer were to default on their improvements, we would use that as, you know, pulling that shirt to to complete the improvements and we don't get preferred pricing as a government agency, do we? Yeah. [laughter] So, Stephen, last night at the budget workshop,

uh you weren't here, but we talked a little bit about the bridge at uh Eagle View. Eagle View. Yes. And my question was, is that $600 or $700,000 replacing the bridge or repairing, strengthening the bridge? Uh can you tell me what that what that budget allocation will do?

Yes, it's uh it's to widen the bridge. So um we as part of the the design and engineering of the project uh we had this the the engineering firm do a structural analysis of the exist existing bridge to make sure it was in good enough condition to widen otherwise it would have been a replacement. So um you know we're having to widen the bridge. I think it's somewhere along the order of 10 feet from what it currently is. Maybe a little bit more than that. I think the the span now is somewhere around 20 feet, 24 feet and we have to widen it out to maybe like 32 or or a little bit more to get the pro appropriate roadway section through there. And then the rest of the project uh cost is in in finishing any uh incomplete storm water infrastructure um inlets, fixing curb uh fixing any binder that has failed since it's you know it's still the the binder course out there hasn't been topped and then final paving so it's all included in in that

so Jesse how are we funding that from what fund how is that going to be funded uh right now I think it's coming out of the general fund why can't we get that out of the storm water because it's overwater it's a creek or blue blue stream or whatever creek. Some of it we may some of it we potentially we could get out of storm water. Um we have not gone out to bid on that project yet. That project hasn't gone to bid. Is that correct?

Um so when we go out to bid, that's probably a really good time for us to evaluate which pieces are storm water related. They're not all storm water related. like there's some pavement sections of it, but when we get our bids back in, um, we're probably going to do some type of budget adjustment based on the bid and we can look at applicable funds for sections of the project, but it's presently in the budget for 27, correct? Yes. Or is it for It's a carry forward from 26. It's already been allocated in 26 proposed carrying

budgeted this year and carrying forward to next year's. So our fund [snorts] balance is really low is extremely low. Our storm water reserves are pretty healthy. See like Africa. Is that right? Like $2 million. Yes, sir. So, can we find some budget savings by allocating, let's say, half of that or whatever can be justified, storm water, and take at least half of it off of the the uh the uh operating budget.

Yeah, I think we can look into that as an option. the the one of the things that the healthy reserve does for us in the storm water fund right now is when we go out to bid stop 30 likely that project I expect that project to come in higher than what we have as in our estimate. So we do have a healthy balance to make sure we can move forward on stop 30. Uh but I think we can definitely look at the applicability of storm water for that project as well. I think from my memory in the infrastructure reserve we have over $1.5 million there as well.

Eddie, we're meeting tomorrow, Jesse and Tamara and I to talk about the budget. And one of the things I'll ask Tamara is if that project is suitable for the negotiated fees that we have from Durham Farms. That might be another source of of funds. Uh that's not that's not a Durham Farms local local uh project. It's nowhere near Durham Farm. So I I would be opposed to that because because I think that we're going to possibly need some of that reserve that money for the old Drex Creek and Shackle.

We'll probably need all of that money. You know, I I expect the county is going to come back and say, "Hey, we need another half a million dollars from you." So, I that's why I would like but but I think mayor pushed the staff on how much of that Eagle View project can storm water absorb and what that'll do that'll that will free up some money in the operating budget. True. Follow me. Yes, sir. We'll certainly look at it. You see what I'm talking exactly what we're also going to try to get a revenue component for that project too that that likely could take some time.

Lance Lance working on that. Yes sir. Good. That's what he meant. Yes. [clears throat] Mean we got 100,000 I think. Yeah about 120 130 from the shies. Okay. Just trying to be a little creative and how can we save some operating Yeah. funds. Absolutely. Good idea. All right. Thank you. I noticed Alderman Ward came in this and I apologize for not announcing that earlier, but you've been here a while. Is there anything that we need to take a look at or Well, I had a question about because we had passed a resolution about street signs or liinal street signs

and I had a constituent ask me what can we do about our street signs and I was going to see if I could set up something with Jesse and maybe Stephen. It doesn't have to be here but I I don't know what it is. I don't know what the ADA requirements are. I know when I was making signs that had to have I want to say a engineering grade reflective background with contrasting high contrasting letters but um with these signs being black I mean in white letters would do that the trick would be coming up with a black engineering grade but I thought before I go through all that why don't I just ask and say do y'all have specs on the signs and how they need to because there's got to be an option other than green and white meet ADA Okay.

I [clears throat] don't know that question. I I I it's le I think it's less to do with ADA and more to do with standard highway street signs and the colors used for those. Like black and white is typically reserved for um regulatory signs. So like your speed limit signs, right? They're they're black lettering on white background. And sometimes depending on the type of sign, it'll be a blackground with a white lettering. Um, but I don't have an answer regarding the ADA element of it. But I know I know there are signs that are used in various places that are white lettering on black background. I think part of the ADA is the [snorts] size of the lettering

which is 4 in I believe. Yeah. Also, I I think that because there are some private um streets and HOAs where they have lettering that's difficult to read because it's small. So, I think the ADA component primarily I think is this actual size of the letter. So, well, it'll be the ADA component will be the size of the letter, the contrast, and then the [clears throat] font so you don't have difficult font to read. So, it's going to call for a block letter 4 in high or higher because I know it's a 6 inch panel. And then they have a reflective component with the contrast for people and visually impaired driving down the road at night looking in the [clears throat] street sign. But [snorts] you got to follow ADA.

Yeah. And so that program what it does is it allows so it allows the city to reimburse an HOA for the cost of the sign. So we say, "Hey, we're going to go out and replace a sign." What it would cost us what we paid for the green. That's right. But in doing that, we don't want letters that are so small that you can't read them. So, we said, "Hey, they all they have a city engineer has to go out, review them, they have to meet ADA standards, and we'll pay them up to what it would cost us to replace a standard sign."

So, what I was Yeah. So, what I'm after is do we have those specs? If it's got to maintain this size, doesn't or does it not have to be reflective? And what grade reflective? And then there'll be something if it's the ADA will mention something about the font and the height of the letters. Um, but what I'd like to do is go back to this constituent said, "Yes, the city will reimburse you what we pay for the green and white street signs if you put up this type sign with some actual specs as opposed to I don't know, go talk to a sign shop and see what they make for you because that's kind of where she's at."

Okay. Yeah. Um, certainly we can we can provide some standard ADA specs. Um, I don't know that ADA would have every type of font available that meets it or doesn't meet it. It'll tell you there's a stroke to height ratio for the width of the stroke on the font. So, there's a ratio there of if it's this tall, it has to be this wide. Um, and that's how they pick a readable font instead of something like old English, right? the the I know the spec we use is it we use is the U federal highway standards. So they they have all of that kind of stuff.

It probably is a combination of traffic control and ADA standards which begs the question of so how should we make them? Yeah. Yeah. We'll work on putting like a spec sheet together so that we could just mail off and I can help you do that if it helps. Okay. Yeah. I can offer my opinion that would allow them to go outside of what our standard font is if there's other font that's also they don't like the the [clears throat] look of our font as much as the font that they want to put on. So we'll work on putting a spec sheet together. That was the only question I have. Thank you for asking.

You're very welcome. And if you need any other help us, please let us know. We'll be glad to help you with that's a really good question that your Was it your constituent or was it the city? Yeah. Tell him. Good question. Well, and actually, if it helps, it's actually I think it's called Hazel Path Commons, right behind Hazel Path, right by in front of the high school. Yeah. Which again, it's a private gated community, but I applaud Jean for calling me wanting to follow the guidelines. All right. Um, if there are there is there any other business this evening? If not, well, I just need a motion for us to adjourn. church.

All right, I'll second that. We adjourn at 6:22. Let's see.