Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Thanks everybody for being here. I'm going to call the meeting to order, please. We'll start tonight. Will you bow your head? Uh, Miss Silkwood is going to do the prayer for us. Dear heavenly father, be with us tonight as we strive to make decisions that benefit our community. Help us to promote dialogue among people who disagree. We also pray that you will welcome into your presence all the lives who were lost on this day two years ago. Help to make us the channel of your peace always. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. Two years. Zack Cro Aliser here. Evans here. Hardwick here. Hasty here. Kerr here.

Wessel here. Martin. Silkwood Slatterie here. Eight present, one absent.

Thank you. All right. Tonight we have a public hearing. Okay. I'll read this. It's a request by Maple Glenn Holdings LLC to reszone 3.82 acres of office plan development OPD and suburban residential lowdensity SR1 to general commercial plan development GCPD and to approve a comprehensive development plan for the property. The property is located at 311 and 313 East Main Street and 102 Maple Drive on the south side of East Main Street, west of Maple Drive, as identified on Sumar County map, tax map 159 JA 013.01.0 159 Ja 013.00.0 and 159 JA 012.00.0 O. All right. So, do we have anybody?

Yes, sir. We have one person that would like to speak at the public hearing. His name is Steve Yel. Did I say that right? Okay. Will you stand up to that mic there? It's live. Give us your name, your address, please.

Yeah. My name is Steve Yel. I live at 104 Maple Forest Court, just about three blocks down the street from this development. Lived here since 1984, so I've seen things change a bit. Couple of things that I've got concerns on. Those of us who live back in there know that that traffic light is fouled up. Many times there'll be nine, 10 cars stacked up and only three will get through. That creates some problems there. along at the bank and at the Maple Glenn Cottages and that is a bit of a concern. You know, there's some backup there. The other thing that concerns me is I know the planning uh well, public works doesn't want the two driveways on Maple and I concur with that idea. What I am afraid of is when they put it right across from Maple Glenn, how are they going to get tractor trailers into this development to service the restaurants? Because Cisco and them all use tractor trailers. You got a fast food restaurant, which I don't really like the idea of. We've got enough of those around here. We've got a development that was just going in and putting in some more of those. And coming in off of Main Street onto Maple. If a tractor trailer has to get in that way, the driveway's got to be more than 24 feet. It I don't even know if 32 feet would make be a let them make the turn and get in there. It's a narrow road. It's back traffic backs up there very readily and you you've got problems there. It's just, you know, fundamentally I don't have an issue with it except the size of it maybe and maybe the mix, but I worry about the servicing of what they're putting in there. And that's the biggest thing is that traffic right there at

Maple and Main Street. It's bad now. This is going to significantly make it worse. The other thing that I did notice is that on the existing plat there is a drainage area in the southwest yeah southwest corner. This property builds over that. There's no notations of any kind of collection point for storm water and we are making a lot more hard surface than there is in that area currently now. And we all know that's not a good thing to do, you know. I don't know that there's anything else I could say about that other than, you know, please look at that traffic at that traffic light. That the one driveway, yes, but where it's located, how it's going to be done, that's going to be critical to keeping from having accidents of people turning off of Main Street onto Maple. You know, I just don't like the idea of somebody getting hung out there. It's happened before and we all know it. Y'all, y'all come here often enough during tra during hight traffic areas. So, you know what happens at that traffic light. It's just not a good street for the amount of traffic that look like it's going to get dumped on it. And honestly, I'm not a traffic engineer. I don't know what the solution is because there's not much room to widen Maple at that point. The little wide out that y'all did for the right turn only lane, that works good for maybe two, two and a half cars if the drivers all cooperate. But if you get the people that like to stay more than a car length back from each other, no doesn't doesn't work too well at that point. So that's all I got to say about it. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Anybody else here that did not sign up for it that wanted to speak? All right, we'll call this one closed. Thank you very much. Next is the public comment agenda items only. Do we have anybody on that list? We have three, Mr. Chair.

We have three people. The first one we see is Tom Galbreth from Terain. Will you say your name and your address, please? Tom Galbreth, 126 Terara Lane in Goodletsville. Uh, are we to the Cwell lane thing? This is public comments. So, on this, you can speak about India. Any agenda item you'd like to. So, yes, you can talk about that. just tell what you're speaking of so everybody here knows what

I was I was here last time and I asked um whether the 100 loads of dirt or whatever that went back to the field in the flood plane who approved it or if it was approved and um they said I would get an answer before the thing was over but nobody ever asked the people the question about the they did talk about a flood study or something or water study that they were going to present tonight, but I still don't know any more than I did last time. Does anybody know who approved the This is your chance to talk and and bring those points up.

That's what we did last time. I I

And then what we hope is as you bring these things up, you'll spark these people to ask these questions of the people that can answer that. Well, I didn't do a good job last time because there wasn't a spark, but we had back in 10, I live over in the uh vineyards at 12stones, which is behind the golf course, and we had the big flood and um two days, and on Sunday, the sun came out and all the water receded, and we thought, well, it didn't get anything. And then uh what we don't realize is that when the water got to the too much over the dam, they let water go. And when they let water go, all the Mans Creek coming down, um water has to go somewhere. So it just reversed and came back up to where it was and flooded a couple of the buildings. And what I worry about is 100 loads of dirt in the flood plane. How far is that going to go up back to us or down the road where y'all had that uh you made a passive park, bought the houses that flooded every other year? Uh and putting all that dirt in there. What's that going to affect? Is it going to get the next guy's house or the next two guys? The water in a flood plane to me TVA would go crazy. It was on the other side of the dam, but I don't know who's in charge of on on just regular land. And maybe somebody I'll find out tonight. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. The next person on the list is West Wes Horton. Good evening. My name is Wes Horton. I live at 127 Terror Lane in Goodletville. I'm the vice president of our HOA association there. Uh we have 80 units uh 80 homes there. And uh I'm speaking to the same thing about the Caldwell uh development. I know uh Miss Shen and uh Mr. Cobin are kind of point people for this. Are you not? So um same same concerns. Um I've lived there although I do not live in Hendersonville. I own property in Hendersonville. Uh so I am a taxpayer over here. Uh and um but we did have uh quite a few um quite a bit of damage from the 2010 that was somewhat concerning because nothing in our development is within the 100red-year flood plane. It is in the I guess the 500year flood plane that we uh rudely found out on those different mornings that we'd wake up and the water would be a different level. And we have a uh a perimeter fence that stands uh four and a half feet tall around our property. It's a wide fence. Uh a third of that fence was completely underwater around all of our property. Um because of the migration of the water that's coming off of Manser Creek backing up into uh Madison Creek which

backs up into Willis Branch. And um so it's quite concerning whenever you start uh limiting the amount of flood area that disperses, excuse me, that disperses the water and then you fill up uh more than a third of that, then if we had that same type of rainfall, it's going to push that water further up. And so we'll go from four or five homes having uh water intrude to probably another to a dozen or more. And so development, I'm all for development. I am a property developer. And so I'm all for development, but it's got to be smart. It's got to be done right. And it's very foolish to to approve or plan u a development that is going to have a greater than 75% chance of imposing additional hardships on existing homeowners. And uh I just think anything that is developed within a a flood area around a flood area has got to be engineered. I've spent 44 years in the construction business. Uh have an engineering background and civil work and mechanical work. And um you have to look not what just is convenient for today, but what's going to happen when we have another 34 ines in 17 hours? Because that's what happened in 2010. Yeah. People say, "Well, that was an act of God. That was a an unusual situation." And well, if you impede what nature had already provided, if you impede that by filling all that up, then you're not taking in consideration what the future expanse would be. Cuz I know,

Mr. Goldman, you wouldn't want all that water backing up in your backyard, filling up your swimming pool, and you wouldn't want it in yours either. And no one here would. Flood water. I moved up here right after Katrina. We were living in Louisiana. I can tell you about flood water in a real real way. When you can't see the top of your roof because it's covered up with water. I can tell you what water does. It doesn't take a lot to cause a whole lot of heartache for a lot of people. I would just say do your homework, be diligent, make sure that we don't just sign off because we're signing off on something. I'm sure it's a great development, but not at the cost of the existing homes and what it would impede going forward. So, I appreciate you listening. Thank you. Have a great evening.

Thank you,

Maryanne Restivo. I'm Maryanne Restivo. I live at 181 Terra Lane in Goodletsville in the vineyard, same place my other two neighbors live. Uh my concern is the flood because we had a heavy rain earlier this year and you could tell the water was really backing it. We have the two creeks that come together right at the edge of our um development. Manser Creek and um Willis Branch and excuse me, Madison Creek and Willis Branch Creeks come together right there and that all flooded and it almost got up to the first building in our development just earlier this year. And I believe it's probably because they filled in some of the dirt in that development and caused that water to back up cuz that that wasn't a hundredyear flood that we had 100redyear rain or whatever. Um my second concern is um 12 Stones is right across the street and if any of you have I don't know if any of you have ever driven since it's Goodletsville driven into 12 Stones up 12 Stones and then turned on to Caleb's Walk which comes down to Willis Branch which Willis Branch goes over to Long Hollow Drive. Um that is a cut through for all the people that live on Long Hollow. They come through cut through to

go to JP2 and other places. And the other is the cut through for people coming from uh Caldwell area to go over to Madison Creek Elementary and Beach High School. that development, 12 Stones development, their streets are so narrow, if there's a car parked on the street and there's two cars coming at each other, there's no way you can get through. One has to stop and wait for the other, which happens off often. There's sidewalk only on one side of the street. All through that development, very narrow sidewalk. Most people don't even use the sidewalk. They walk in the street. They jog. All the kids from JP2 jog through there um that development on the street. And um the other thing is um there just isn't room um in the in the speed limit is 20 miles hour all the way through till you get to Willis Branch. And most people cutting through there don't abide by the speed limit. It's really kind of dangerous. And someone said, "Well, it's not going to increase the traffic." It may not increase the traffic on Caldwell. That may not be a problem, but through 12 Stones and down uh Caleb's Run, which is 12 Stones also, it's going to be more of a problem because right now it's not a problem. school's out and but as soon as school is back in session, that traffic picks up and and you can just stand at that um on that corner and people and some people don't even stop at the stop sign down there. But that's that's my concern

is the traffic going through our subdivision. And um like I said, if you ever drove through there, you'd understand what I'm talking about cuz there's always kids jogging, people walking their dogs, people wa walk walking, and they're on the street and the traffic is it's just horrendous, especially during uh school hour time. So that's all I have to say. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Were any other people interested in giving comments while we're still on this subject? All right, we'll go on. Thank you very much. Okay, next item is the acceptance of the agenda. So, everybody's had time to look at it. Anybody on the planning commission have questions? Any call outs that you want to do on anything on the agenda? Called well crossing. I'd like to pull it off. Okay. It's not on the consent agenda. Campbell Crossing, I'm sorry. Oh, Campbell Crossing. Okay. So, the first one.

So, you'd like to have that pulled off? I'd like to discuss. Okay. So, that'll be pulled from the consent consent agenda. Uh, anything else? Any other commissioners? So, will you make a motion pulling that off? Okay. So, we have a motion to pull that off. Do I have a second? All right. Uh, do I have to do a roll call on this? Uh, no. Okay, we can do it by voice. All right. And all in favor say I. I. Any opposed? All right. It passes. So, with that, we'll pull that one off the consent agenda and talk about it in in detail. So, with the rest of them, can I go ahead and keep the rest of them

as minutes? Okay. But can I keep the rest of them together? Okay, cool. Next is we have the amendments uh from September the 2nd. Do I have a motion to accept? So move. Do I have a second? I heard two voices. Who else? Was it Todd? Todd, you're the second. All right. Thank you. Uh again, I guess we have to do this one by electronic. We can do this. We can do it by roll call. All right. Okay. Everyone that accept or all in favor say I. I. Anybody opposed?

It passes. Thank you very much. Okay, now we're to the consent agenda. So, with the other four being okay, I can leave those on the consent and we can accept them in mass. That's correct. All right, there we go. So, do I have a motion to cons to accept the consent agenda as is with Campbell Crossing final plat pulled off? Do I have a second? I have a second with Wendy. And this one I'm sure we need to do electronically. Yeah, they did, didn't they?

Looks like we're good. Motion to approve. pass with eight yeses. Thank you. Campbell Crossing. Okay. So, the one item that we pulled off was Campbell Crossing and that is a final plat owners Campbell Crossing JV location 1468 and 1490 Saundersville Road, parcel 146002.00. Lead planning person is Caitlyn Shin. Will you tell us about it, Kaylin?

Yes, sir. Sorry. Um, the applicant is requesting approval of the final plat for Campbell Crossing subdivision. It's located between um Milstone and Winbrook subdivisions. It is 12 residential lots with six shared access driveways from Saundersville Road. um a 10- foot greenway that continues from Milstone into Win uh Winbrook will be constructed as the homes are built on the property or on each lot. Uh the preliminary plot was approved in November 2023 and the final plot is consistent with that approval.

Okay, thank you. Is there anybody here from Yes. So Cal's here. All right. Cal, would you come up to the microphone, please? Yes, sir. Cal Gentry Civil Land Company representative for the applicant. Uh we've agreed with all staff comments here to answer any questions. All right. Anybody from the committee have a question? Go right ahead.

Nothing against the project. I probably have probably voted for the preliminary plat in 23. But uh we we have several discussions happening tonight. This is general discussion that that really has more to do with uh overall approach to such things as traffic now more so than this particular subdivision. We we have a we have a realignment project going on over on Old Shackle and we're spending lots of taxpayer money to build a side street uh to handle the driveways that are too close to the to the turn, too close to the traffic light. We have another discussion that we'll have in a few minutes about whether we should have two or three entrances to another piece of property uh because of its incidents. uh with other traffic and uh uh moving traffic through. We have discussion from 12 stones about traffic. We're we've realigned asked to uh ask the developer to realign the access road uh there to match the 12stones traffic area. Well, Saundersville Road is certainly not Highway 31, but as we develop out in that area all the way through from uh it it's developing quickly and we put not one, not two, but six driveways accessing Saundersville Road, which creates six points of incidents where people have to watch for traffic. And as far as the subdivision, I've got no problem with the subdivision the the way it's laid out, but it does transfer the movement from one part of that development to the other to the city street and away from the subdivision property. So that's my concern and I I

wish we would look at that as we as we go forward as to h how many entrances and exits we have to what is now a busy street. That's my discussion and uh I again I don't have any objection to the subdivision itself other than that and I would like for us to take a closer look at that in the future to try to to try to control that traffic a little more. Limit the access somewhat more and transfer the movement from each of those 12 lots onto the subdivision for example and have an entrance and an exit or two entrance exits rather than six. Thank you.

Understood. Thank you, Commissioner. Any other commissioners have questions, comments? Oops. Commissioner Kerr, go right ahead. So, question. I mean, we we get this issue I think every every plan that we look at is traffic. What What's the impact on traffic for this development? I mean, have you can you give me an idea the number of vehicles that it it places on the road? And

No, sir. I can't give you an exact number, but this piece of property, if it was developed under the base zoning that it's in, I think Keith correct me if wrong, it's three units per acre, that would put about 57 58 lots on here instead of the 12 that we've done. There's no new infrastructure being constructed that the city has to maintain long term. So, we felt like, excuse me, we felt like this was a pretty low impact way to develop this piece this piece of property. Okay. Thanks. Any other commissioners? All right. With that being said, it's done. Do I have a motion? One way or the other.

Okay. So that we might watch that situation in the future. All right. Move for passage. Commissioner Evans, I got a Do I have a second with anyone? We have a second from Mr. Hasty. So we will do this one electronically.

All right. Motion to approve pass with seven yeses and one no. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Director Free would like to address a couple of items about Campbell Crossing.

Yeah. I just kind of wanted to cover this cover this uh the planning commissioners are pretty aware of it, but to cover it for the public. uh example of this one. This was a final plat and through the process um uh the uh commissioner had mentioned uh that the preliminary plat. So the process at which uh these types of things are approved. You have a preliminary plat and it's sort of a a high level more of a high level concept of uh of how lots could be created as well as that's the time uh to look at uh traffic issues and roadway connections and and certainly we definitely want to be looking at those things as close as possible. This one was done um I think uh maybe maybe about two or three years ago. Uh but uh then what happens is you have the preliminary plat uh and it could be for a subdivision this small or it could be for a 100 lot subdivision but you have the preliminary plat and then what happens is then you've got to do um very detailed construction plans and then that's something that doesn't come to the planning commission. Uh it's something that the staff does and our public works department and fire and and the planning staff uh we all look at and then that eventually gets approved and a lot of the things with very detailed traffic related things and very detailed related uh drainage related things. That's when a lot of those things get uh get totally explained and and the accountability for that you know gets caught up at that. Then after that is done, after the construction plans have been stamped, then you can submit your final plat. And then that comes back to the planning commission. And then that final plat that's got to be done before you can start selling lots. But even after uh just example, this one this evening on Campbell Crossing, uh even

though this is approved, uh it'll be some time before they'll actually probably be selling lots. there's still a land disturbance permits and and earth moving and things like that and utilities uh to be installed. Uh and then when they get to the point where uh they have the infrastructure in then they'll record the plat and then be in a position to actually sell the lot. So I kind of wanted to cover that process. uh haven't covered that in a while, but uh for the for the commissioners, they're they're pretty aware of it, but I wanted to share it with the public as well that this is a multi-step process. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Thank you very much, Keith.

All right. Next item on the agenda is preliminary plat. So the first one of those is JLR JLR Codwell Drive Preliminary Plat owner JLR Property Holdings LLC location 155 Codwell Drive parcel 161065.0 this is Zachary and Caitlyn which will be speaking Kaitlin. Zachary Kaitlin. Okay. No. Yes. Okay. I saw Kaitlin point trying to figure out. All right. You go right ahead, Zach.

Okay. Okay, so the applicant JLR Property Holding LLC has submitted a preliminary plat application for the subdivision of 74.5 acres within the estate residential zone located at 155 Caldwell Drive. The property is located on the western edge of the city limits south of the 12 zone subdivision within the Goodletsville city limits. The state residential zoning lies to the east and the property is situated north of Pope John Paul II school. The proposed subdivision will create 12 single family lots off a private entrance road to be constructed directly across from the existing access drive to the 12 stones development. The lots will range in size from 1 to 1.23 acres with an average lot size of 1.12 acres. This meets the minimum lot area requirements of 1 acre for the ER zone. The existing home uh will have a new access driveway from Caldwell Drive and the existing farm operation will have a gated access driveway from the new proposed private entrance road for the single family lots. The previously submitted proposal calls uh called for the creation of five additional lots for Caldwell Drive with access to the lots provided from a cross access alley driveway from the new proposed private entrance road and an additional 11 lots off the proposed private entrance road. Additionally, an easement of 130 uh feet on lot on the front lots on Caldwell and 145 lots for approximately half of the lots uh in the back of the property was shown for equestrian use by the existing farm in perpetuity. Uh the current proposal has removed the five proposed lots front and Caldwell Drive as well as this proposed easement on all lots. Um and the applicant has agreed to all staff comments. Thank you, Zach. Is there anybody You want me to hit these points now?

Okay. Well, I'll go ahead and hit this. Uh I don't know. Is there anybody from JLR Holdings here? Yes, there is. Okay. Will you come up and speak, please?

Good evening. Hey, this is Zach Elliot from uh Green Lid Design in Gallatin. Uh I want to thank you guys for having us tonight and um I we do agree to all staff comments. Um I I also just want to thank the neighbors for coming out and sharing their input. Um a little quick update. I'll just leave with um since we were here in August. Um we have been in a ongoing dialogue with City of Hendersonville Stormwater about uh the flood study. Uh and also a stream restoration plan that is going to restore the grading of this stream, the the topography of this stream to its 2018 condition. the conditions from 2018. Uh, and fully remediate within the flood plane, uh, produce a 60-oot buffer, riparian buffer with new plantings, uh, and, uh, a number of, uh, environmental features that will really restore it probably to a state that it was a better state than it was prior. So, um uh I want to thank you guys for your concerns because uh our our client is is looking to address those uh readily. So, um uh just wanted to give you an update on that.

All right. Well, while you're there, I know there's going to be several commissioners with questions, so Sure. All right. Well, I'll start with Charles. I see him already lit up. Go ahead, Charles. Where's the the flood study? What state is it in now?

So, we we met with uh Helen Morrison at Stormwater on the 17th September um and discussed the change of full of going back to the that topography from 2018 from the LAR before any of this dirt was moved. Um and the flood study itself we we are looking to submit within the next day or so. We've already submitted the stream a revised stream restoration plan last week, but uh the flood study, we just we wanted to make sure that grading was truly correct to its 2018 state. So, it's not finished. Not quite.

Have you completed a flood plane development permit? Uh don't know about that one off the top of my head. I'm not sure, but I can check on that. Yeah. Well, I mean, but this is this is, you know, we will we are going to be required by stormwater to have all of these items, the flood study, the stream restoration plan, uh, corrective action plan all set in motion and fully remediated before we can even develop the subdivision. So,

this is the third time you've been here with this development and, you know, and I thought maybe surely the third time would be a a good year ch, you know, third time's a charm. The flood study has been a critical issue from day one and we still don't have it finished. I understand the frustration. We Yeah. You know, I think what you've got now from a layout standpoint and whatnot, I could probably support. It's probably the first one you submitted that I would support,

but I'm not going to vote for it until we get the flood study finalized, completed, and we know that any field is not going to have a rise on the flood plane or you're going to minimize it or you're going to get it out of there. So, until that's done, I'm not going to vote for it. But otherwise, you've got basically a plan that I would support this time. But you got to get the flood study issue resolved. In my opinion, I don't think it's going to be a big deal. You just need to do it. And until that's done, you know.

Yeah. I totally understand. I'm not going to go for it. Yeah. Yeah. And I got a couple other questions. Sure. This is on public works comments, you know. Number four, it says in addition to mill and overlay specify that the median will be restriped on for the left turn. I assume that one of the conditions is that callwell lane is going to be moved and overlay and the striping is for the turn lane. Right now the requirement is for the existing stripe median to be milled and overlaid and then restriped to be a turn lane to serve as a left turn lane into the development. That's on Cwell Lane you're talking about? Yes, sir.

Okay. Okay. All right. That's all I got. Thank you, Commissioner Hasty. Uh, next we have Vanessa Silkwood. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Well, thank you for being here tonight and yes,

kind of reiterating a little bit what Commissioner Hasty said. You know, it is definitely a better plan without the uh lots fronting Caldwell. So, I do appreciate that. Um, you know, I did speak to our assistant public works director today and he tells me there's still no stream restoration plan actually in place at all. Um, I think again just reiterating what Commissioner Hasty said, until that's done, until the city comes out and inspects it and gives you guys a green light on what's been done, this is very premature to even bring this back at this point. So there's just no way I can support it with what you're presenting tonight. You don't have the flood study. So that's where I stand. Thank you.

I understand. We we are we are moving as best we can through keeping in in in mind what storm water really wants and that's been a you know several rounds of submitts, but we we we want to get it right. So we we want to get that stream plan right. Um and so but I understand you're looking for approvals with those. So, I I get it. Thank you, Commissioner Silkwood. Uh, next is Commissioner Slatter.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for being here tonight. I appreciate your fortitude for standing up for the third time with this. I will simply echo what my fellow commissioners have said. Um, it is disturbing to me that an applicant has come back for the third time still not addressing the same things that have been requested for each of the prior submissions. And um, I have to say for me personally, there seems to be a a lack of genuine willingness to resolve this. I appreciate what you're saying that there have been multiple rounds, but there have been multiple months to address those multiple rounds. So, I am I am apprehensive about the project at this point. I am thrilled that the Caldwell facing lots have been removed from the plan because those were were simply not uh something that I would ever support. So, I am pleased that that has been done. But to be perfectly honest, that probably was the easiest thing to address from the last time this was submitted. That's simply erasing some lines on a drawing. I am deeply concerned that the applicant continues to to fail to meet the the expectations that have been clearly articulated by this commission. We we've not changed the rules. We've not added things to the list. We've not popped in yet another requirement. It has been consistently that the flood plane be addressed, that the creek that disappeared, as Commissioner Silkwood pointed out during the last submission, that that magically disappeared and it needed to be magically reinstated. I'm thrilled to hear you speak that you're working on it, but I am concerned about the approach that's being taken with the project by the developer that we can't seem to get this resolved and yet we still keep bringing it to the planning commission in hopes of I guess um based

on promises and and words of intent that it will be addressed. I I would not approve this at all at this point. My god. Can I can I just ask brief really quickly on among these comments that we have outstanding? Uh uh

I'm not from and this is from the preliminary plant review itself. Uh I just want to get clear what we can only move so fast as you know storm water is is approving us as well and that you know and but I don't see a specific contingency on here other than yes the flood plan development permit um about you know needing this remediated before the plat would be approved and I'm under the impression too that you know planning staff is actually at this point fairly amanable to this that we have addressed there this comment specifically relating to the plat and the you know revisions of the plat. Um so I will say that um but um I also uh I I would like to actually at this point I think ask for a deferral on the vote.

Okay. Let me let me share thing.

Thank you commissioners. And next Keith would like to speak to a couple of items. So just stay there for a second. Yeah, let me just share this as a point of of contacts is uh the uh the developers representative did did contact us today about an interest in deferring and taking it off the agenda, but with them calling today, we just explained to them, you've got to come and if there's a further deferral, then the planning commission is going to have to take that action. We couldn't just withdraw it. If if we had known last Thursday or even Friday morning maybe uh we could have pulled it off of the agenda and it wouldn't even been coming back before you but with it being on the agenda and today's the meet the meeting uh we couldn't just take it off or go ahead and defer it because that's action that's required by the for the planning commission do. So I just did want to I wanted to I wanted to kind of uh give that information to the planning commission as well. Commissioner Slatterie.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Director Free. That further, I think, frustrates my my opinion of this project that we're waiting until the 11th hour to try to pull something off. This date didn't change. This date has been set when we set our calendar for 2025. So, again, there seems to be this this lack of coordinated effort and planning. And I appreciate you being the sole voice standing here and this is not solely directed at you. This is directed at the project. Totally understand. But to hear I believe I heard you say that the stream remediation plan is in place. I I think I heard

No, we resubmitted. That's the thing.

Resubmitted. Okay. Thank you. But then um I believe that Commissioner Silkwood is hearing things differently. So, there is a lack of checks and balances in your management of the project from a paperwork standpoint. I think that could uh tremendously help the the cloudiness around this when you get to this point. And I appreciate that the developer decided they didn't want to be at this point tonight, but they decided that in the last 48 hours, 24 hours. This project is feeling murkier and murkier to me. So, I I um I wholeheartedly approach a deferral, and I cannot stress this enough. To come back again and still not have everything tied up really neatly and ready to go would be a a real point of disappointment.

Understood. Absolutely.

Thank you. Um, and can I, if I may, I just respectfully I I do want to I very much understand we don't have an approved stream restoration plan. We have a resubmitted stream restoration plan as of last week and our dialogue with the city from our end and I believe amongst us Helen Morrison with storm water and a couple other folks with the city including Christine Guy Baker. third party flood study reviewer expert that they bring in that you all bring in at Hendersonville. Um I actually I feel quite positively about the direction our mutual understanding of what needs to be done is going. Um the and I and I think the owner is also very much you know he is he's wanting to get this back to a place that the city wants to see it. So um but no I and if if if I misspoke I did not mean to misspeak. We do not have approved flood study. We do not have approved stream restoration plan. But I do believe with the couple of meetings we have had, the in-depth meetings we've had with the city storm water about this that it is moving in a in a positive direction.

Thank you. I look forward to being just as confident in your plan when you come back. Thank you. Commissioner Hardwick, you're in the queue. My question is for staff. How long can we keep deferring that? This is the third time that they've been here. We've addressed the basic two issues. All the dirt that showed up. Was there a flood study? Maybe there's a flood study. We might be getting a flood study. We've addressed a stream that was there that's not there that's going to be there. And the neighbors have all been here three different times now.

And at some point it has to stop. I think the plan is good as far as what's there. It's it's probably going to get approved when when they get all the other issues done, but the neighbors need to know and this needs to come to an end.

Yeah, I'll I'll I'll answer that. Um, so this is a preliminary plat. And so a lot of these things, even though they are issues regarding the flood issues, they're not directly related to the preliminary plat. The requirements of the preliminary plat don't necessarily require all of that remediation to be to be done. Uh although the applicant has agreed to all staff comments and uh public works staff comment number one and two uh that the public works has on there and they've agreed to is basically saying hey even if you all approved it tonight if they don't get that done it's not approved until that's until that's done. Uh so that's you know kind of a a part of it. Um all of this has got to be resolved. If it's not resolved, regardless if you approve the preliminary plat this evening, they would not be able to develop the property until this this issue gets resolved. And if you approve this this evening with a condition of public works comment number one and two, even the preliminary plat that you might approve this evening won't go into effect until that is completed to the satisfaction of the uh of the city engineer uh office. So that's kind of what's going on. But this this whole thing has kind of gotten mixed up with with some things that were done incorrectly and prematurely by the land owner in regards to uh the flood area and filling and and all of that. Uh and uh and then normally what might happen is that might be an issue and we just pursue that issue and eventually it gets taken care of. In this instance, we're in the middle of all of that stuff was going on. And at the same time, we

had a submission that we were dealing with previously, too. And on on top of it, this has been going on for for quite, you know, for quite some time. Uh, I think with the applicant's representative, him requesting deferral, you know, it'd be okay to defer it. Uh, I think deferring it, the planning commission deferring it on its own without a request, you know, um, could be questionable. And I talked to the city attorney about it as well. And, you know, holding it up, you know, because of some of these issues, although they are very serious, legitimate issues, uh, you know, may not be the correct the correct thing uh to do. But in this instance, we already have the applicant requesting the deferral. So there would be no problem if the planning commission wanted to take action upon his request and defer it for another month. Uh you could do you could do that or you could approve it with the staff comments and then that specific one and two I think is the the real pinch point uh for the for the drainage related things. Can I

based on what I've heard tonight from the three commissioners that have spoken, I don't think the will of the planning commission is to do anything until this gets resolved.

I don't really want to have these folks to have to come back again, whether it's 30 days, 60 days, then we're into the holidays. And I just think they got ahead of themselves again. And I I'm not for giving them a deferral, and I'm not for approving it. I They need to get all of their stuff together, resubmit, and let these folks have time to digest it, and then let's deal with it at at one time, but not maybe it's going to be 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. I'm just not for approving it. I'm not for deferring it. I'd rather vote it down tonight and be done. Can I add one more thing?

You go right ahead.

I I fully understand the the apprehension on this. Um I just want to say our owner, the reason this is taking time is because he wants and this is why I come asking for a deferral. Um he wants everyone's buy in. He wants you guys to, you know, he wants this to be rectified before it's approved. Um and so you know that that that is really the genesis of us asking for another deferral is these various reviews of this stream restoration plan which is a an ancillary but you know contributing piece of the plant. Um you know those have been in motion and and we are pushing as hard as we can through the city's review processes on those. Um, but we also we don't we don't want to bring this before you at this point without buyin from the folks that that want to see this, including you guys. Um, you know, the folks that want to see this approved flood study and a stream plan. And I will say again, the flood study has been performed and already submitted once and we've received comments from both those plans have been under multiple reviews now. they just are still not approved. But we are, you know, we're working as hard as we can to get get both those things.

Commissioner Silkwood, you are next. Thank you. Um, thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, just a little food for thought here. Um, you know, this has been a long process and we have been told from supposed witnesses that untold truckloads of dirt were moved onto this property. So, you know, I'm very uncomfortable moving forward with this without a stream restoration plan. We don't even know if these lots will look like that once the look like this at all once the stream has been restored. You may have to take out some of what you've built up there. So, I mean,

I I'm I'm with Commissioner Hardwick at this point. I could completely just vote this down and be done and you can come back at a later date when you have your ducks in a row. the the city is having us remove all of the field that was added in the flood plane and in the in the buffer area. So it it is going to be restored to a a state before then and that will have to be done before we be able to develop. Yeah.

Commission as soon as as soon as the flood as soon as the flood study and and stream plan are approved that will that will be when they're Commissioner Hasty I saw you were in the queue. You have anything? I I was in the queue. Yes. And like I said earlier, I think except for the flood plane issue, you finally hit a plan that probably would or I would support. Yeah.

Um and I understand the frustration with some wanting to just turn it down. I can understand that. But if you'd stand there and say, "I request a deferral." I'll make a motion to defer it for 30 days or till you get your act together on the flood or until it's done until it's resolved. Yes. Second. Uh, hold on. He hadn't asked I haven't heard him ask for defer. Oh, he did. He did.

I did. But did I say it too soon? I can say it again. Commissioner Hasty, can I get you to hold for one second because Commissioner Kerr had questions and he's in the queue. Go ahead, Commissioner Ker. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Um, so I wasn't here for the first couple rounds of this, but I can see, you know, the citizens that are concerned about this, they need answers, right? I mean, just put yourself in their position, right? um and commissioners uh Silkwood and others that have voiced concern about moving forward. Um I don't think you got your motion on the floor yet, but

I'm going to make one. Um I'm going to make the motion that we move forward to vote now. Put it on the floor to vote and that we ask them to resubmit when they have all the information completed uh for the project. I think that's fair for this commission and I think it's fair for the for the citizens that live in that area. So, I'm I'm going to recommend we kind of hit the reset button. Um, and so I'll I'll make the motion that we move to vote. Well, Commissioner Kerr, it puts us in a little bit of a pickle here because Charles did offer up to give a motion if he had asked for a deferral. So, um,

second and John did second it. Or was it Barry that second it? I heard a name down here. Okay, John. So, we did get a second there. So, with that, uh, I think we have to go with the first motion and give him the opportunity for a deferral if the if the commission so wills. So, before we vote, go ahead. Can will if this gets approved for a 30 or 60 day whenever they choose to bring it back, will the folks at 12 Stones, the vineyards, those homeowners associations be notified so that they don't have to just show up? We'll contact them again.

Yeah, they we we will contact the leaders of those of those homeowners. The HOA's leaders will will know about it. Perfect. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Evans. You're still lit up. Yes. I'd like to speak on the on the motion that Yes. We've wrestled this thing around now for way too long and and for whatever reason, I know that there's uh there are a lot of upset people about dirt being hauled in without permission or authority or whatever it is. But I'm pleased to hear that uh first of all, the the neighborhood uh concerns have been addressed with putting the grading back to the 2018 level.

Uh I'm hearing uh what we need is a little more time. We didn't know that we couldn't have it ready for tonight. We just needed a few more days to get everybody together. That's what I'm hearing. And then I think how many times have we approved a project subject to staff comments? And I trust our staff to make sure that the stream restoration plan is done correctly. I trust the flood plane people to uh attest to the fact that the grading levels have been back put back to 2018. And we've addressed the concerns of the alignment of the street. We've addressed the concerns of the of the houses that were to be built on Caldwell, which are now not going to be built there. We've addressed all of those concerns. So, uh, I would prefer to make a motion to approve it sub subject to staff comments because we will get another bite at the apple through the staff and through this body if we need it. So, I I don't know why we need to prolong this knowing that if we defer it, we're going to get the same plan back with the paperwork in hand. If that's in fact what this body wants, it's still going to be the same project. So, why prolong the agony? Is that it? Commissioner, you finished? We have one more person in the queue. Actually, we have two more. All right. So, Commissioner Slatter, you were next.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I hear everyone's perspective and and I could debate team either side on any of these paths we might take tonight. Deferral, pass it or vote down the the submission alto together. My concern and I certainly trust the staff. I mean, when we pass things pending um meeting all staff comments, I have no problem with that. Where I am really hanging up is that the staff requirements haven't changed. I feel like this developer is wasting our time, wasting the time of people who want to be home watching Dine or whatever's on tonight. Don't don't want to be out in the rain and and having to come and say the same things over and over and over again. and not hearing anything other than, "Whoops, we forgot about the 2018 study that showed a stream. Whoops, we didn't know that we needed the flood study. Whoops, we thought we would have it all in place, but we don't have it yet." At some point, I agree with you, Commissioner Evans. This this madness needs to end. But I I'm also and maybe this is punitive in my thinking. I think a message needs to be sent to the developer that there is a respect for the process and a respect for the people that are going to be impacted by the project and for the people that are working diligently to make sure that Hendersonville is managed appropriately and that projects are managed appropriately. I am still focused on what appears to be a lack of respect from the developer for the seriousness of what we're doing. Starting with a hundred loads or whatever the actual number was, but the untold number of loads of dirt that just magically appeared to all of these other steps where it's been an oops, our our bad, oops, our bad. I'm sorry for someone to stand at that podium and say

that's our bad. What a horrible statement. It We are being asked to give forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness with a process that's very well documented and a staff that is diligently committed to working with an applicant to make sure they understand the process, understand the requirements of our city and the zoning of our city and then to work with them to work out the kinks that they might have in a plan. And I've yet to see in now three runs at this that the applicant respects that. And for those reasons, I'm I'm of the opinion that we vote it down tonight and let the applicant go get their ducks in a row. Come back when everybody quacks the same. Come back when you do have all the paperwork. Okay.

Sorry. My time out there. Okay. Commissioner Hasty, you're in the queue.

Well, you know, just I I agree with Commissioner Evans. You know, I support our staff. There's a couple items coming up tonight. I'm going to support the staff and always have, but this issue has has struggled on from the very very very very first time on the flood plane. And and I agree with the staff, but I think these guys need to get get their act together and we're we're supporting but the staff by trying to get them to get their act together with the flood study information. So, but I I I agree with you and I think our staff would take care of us as far as that's concerned. But I think we're taking care of the staff here by pushing them to get that done before we proceed any further.

Are you withdrawing your motion? Yeah, he's with Okay. So the the the motion of deferral has been withdrawn. So the second person that heard sent a motion was commissioner Kerr. So you want to offer your motion again? Yes. Do we need to say anything? I'll make the motion. Okay. I want to take the moment just for a second. Okay. Is this a motion to deny? This is a motion. Motion to deny. Yeah.

Just need to give some specific findings. There's specific TCA regards plat approval of plat and there needs to be specific findings. So the more the better if there's a motion to deny. I didn't vote for passage. Just a vote on vote on the submission. We vote it up or vote it down. With all staff comments. Yeah. With all staff. Okay. Okay. So, just voting on. Okay. So, say your motion very clearly. I make a motion to put it on the floor to vote now with staff comments. Correct. With staff comments.

A motion to accept with staff comments. Correct. There you go. So, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to vote for the proposal. Means you're voting voting to accept or not accept. You do trust we trust this the the staff for sure. Okay. But I don't trust the process at this point that we get the concerns met of the citizens right now. So, like I said, hit a reset button if that's what you choose to do in in terms of voting. But that's the motion. Okay. So, we have a motion to accept with all staff comments. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. I have a second from Commissioner Slatterie. So, we'll do this by quick comment.

So, hold one second, y'all. Commissioner Hard, go ahead. This is for Director Free. If they've met all of the city guidelines and they've agreed to all staff comments, including the issues from the flood, that that has to be done first, do we have the right to say no? The the best way the best way I can answer it is if it hadn't already been on a previous meeting and deferred, it would have been on the consent agenda. That's probably about the best uh way that I can answer it

and what I wanted to add earlier you all okay is there are many many of these that come before us okay that our preliminary plat staff okay and stepping out on this one I understand that we've heard a lot of dialogue as it relates to this preliminary plat some of those dump dump dumps of gu of uh dirt that were brought in there. They were done before the preliminary plat came to us when it was still a farm. Okay? So, think about all these things where, you know, don't convolute timing, okay? And co-mingle things that didn't really exist. So, with this, this is our normal process. We normally count on our staff. They deal with this stuff daily. We've heard way more than we probably should have, okay? because normally they are sifting through all this. So before we go any any further, I wanted to make sure all of us were thinking that way. Okay. And remembering, you know, and I hear what you're saying, Charles, that we're supporting the staff here, okay? But remember, they do this day in day out. Fight through this. Make sure these things are done. Flood studies are done. Stream overlays are done. Everything's put in order as it should be. So, we have a first, we have a motion, we have a second. Go ahead, Commissioner.

I have a question uh for Director Free. Um based on a comment that I think Commissioner Curry, you asked or or maybe it was Commissioner Silkwood. Once all of the remediation is done and the stream magically appears and fish are fishing and doing their thing and dirt has been regraded, if that in any way impacts the current layout, how does that affect this? Yeah, if if that occurred and it was significant enough, it wasn't just a minor minor change, uh then that would have to come back to the planning commission as a resubmission. If it's just a minor change and that's something we can do at the staff level, but if it results in a major change, um then that would have to come back uh to the planning commission.

What and and I know you can't thank you um director free. I know you can't imagine all the possibilities, but is that lot sizes drop by 40%, it's still approved? I mean, what is minor versus what is major?

Yeah, the lot sizes, the bulk requirements for the ER zone, that's locked in. So, they're about right there anyway at 1 acre. So, that couldn't really drop too much. Uh, one thing, it's not going to happen in this because where they're at is really the only place you can develop on the lot. But, uh, for example, let's say they had a a U-shaped road, a court road where you had two entrances and and things pretty radically changed about the street system in there. uh then that could that could ch that could be enough of a change that they need to come back to the planning commission and do an amendment to their approved uh preliminary plan.

Okay, thank you. That obviously staff, we're depending on you. Okay, we have a motion to accept with all staff comments. We have a second. So now we're ready to take the vote unless anybody else has comments. I see Oh, hold on. Okay. Okay, we got the vote started. That's good. All right.

Motion to approve failed with two yeses and six nos. All right. So, next we have on the agenda development plans. Okay.

Yeah. Hold on one second. I'm just trying to make sure I'm caught up to my notes. Development plans. Uh, first one on the list is New Maple Glenn CDP, owner Maple Glenn Holdings LLC. Location 313 East Main Street, parcel 159 JA 031.01. And Timothy, you are the speaker on this.

Thank you, chairman. Uh this project location is uh at the intersection of East Maine and Maple Drive here across from city hall. Uh it's comprised of three lots there that total 3.56 acres. Two of the lots are zoned office plan development and the third lot is zoned SR1. Um the uh request is to reszone the property from office office plan development and SR1 to general commercial plan development. Uh general commercial zoning lies to the north and east of the project site. Office plan development zoning is to the west and SR1 um zoning is uh to the south. The uh future land use plan shows this area as suburban center which is um which is which allows for commercial uh GC zoning. So the requested zoning is in compliance with the future land use plan. The proposed development is for four buildings that are single story that total 31,582 ft. Um the proposed uses are listed at the end of the staff report starting on page eight. Um the uh the uh uses that have been eliminated for this project are shown in red. Um all the ones in black are are proposed to be allowed. uh through the review process. Uh planning staff did uh ask the applicant to consider um pulling out some of the uses for the two buildings to the rear of the property that are closest to the residential

uh residential property um just to reduce some of the potential impacts of those uses. However, however, the applicant is requesting to have the full range of uses available for all buildings. Um, they have provided the required 20ft landscape buffer adjacent to the residential zoned property. Um, and then they are um they are proposing to potentially stage the development into two phases. um they may they may develop all of it at one time by pulling down the two existing buildings uh and building the four buildings. However, there is the potential to keep the two existing buildings at the front, build the ones in the back, and then at some point in the future build phase two, which would be tearing down those existing office buildings and developing what's shown on the the layout plan. Um access to the site uh is uh via a full access on Main Street and then uh proposed two full accesses on Maple Drive. Uh public works does have a staff comment requiring only one full access to be aligned with Volunteer State Bank and Maple Cottage across the street. Um, the applicant has agreed to all staff comments except for the public works comment in regard to the access on Maple Drive, limiting that to to one. They're still requesting the two full accesses. And then uh also uh disagreeing with planning the planning comment uh which states that all of the sidewalk along Maple Drive and East Maine should

be built in conjunction with phase one, not be delayed to phase two. They are requesting to be allowed to um to do phase one, just do the sidewalk associated with the phase one on Maple Drive and then provide the remainder of the sidewalk at such time that phase two develops.

No. Yeah. Who Who do we address questions to? Okay. I'll wait till they come up.

Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, we we'll do the we'll do the P. You want the PowerPoint for your all's PowerPoint?

Let me answer dialogue and we'll we'll okay get started. I can answer whatever. I had to print it out big so I could see it. David Lucky, Southeastern Building, uh 110 Clarendon Place, Hendersonville, Tennessee. um the developer Southeastern. Um I can jump right into a few things if you want me to or y'all can ask questions. What would y'all feel most comfortable with? What do you want to do first? Would you rather Let me Let me Let me address the public comments. Go ahead.

And address uh the couple of comments that Timothy made and maybe it'll clean clean up some stuff so it'll have less questions. Uh the gentleman brought up the red light timing. Uh we don't have anything to do with rail light timing. Hopefully with the city and public works that uh that they're working through that with the light red light project signal signalization project. Uh the turn lane stacking. We have not looked at the turn lane stacking. Uh I'm imagine it's got most mostly to do with the signalization. Uh although um you know we could work with staff to look at that. Uh the gentleman mentioned big trucks. Most of our projects with these uh smaller strips, what they they deliver in the morning early and uh they they use the box trucks. They don't really bring in semiis. I mean, the semis don't really work on a lot of these sites, our other sites. I've never noticed a semi-truck in there. So, and the fourth thing I think he brought up uh was detention. We do have a detention pond on the site where the lower building is, the southwest corner. Uh there'll be detention behind there where it currently is. And then depending on the u hydraulics, we'll wind up doing some underground detention. Usually we put it underneath the parking lots. So that's that's addressing his the gentleman's comments. I don't know if I missed any, but uh what Timothy said about the uses in the rear buildings. Uh we we made the we we can limit the uses in the rear buildings to office. Uh typically with this type of project, I just wanted all the uses in in the whole thing just for ease of marketing, but if it's easier to have it office and maybe less impactful. We don't ever see retail users going into a

secondary or office type space. We do see office users step up to retail type space if they have that in the front. So it it you know it's it would be just like our projects uh at Hunt Club or on Maple Road Boulevard or in Gallatin backup to residential area. So, office use and there's probably some on there and I can work with Timothy on the uh the uses. One one use that's on there that's not in red as taxiderermy. We're not going to do taxiderermy at the site. Uh as far as the entrance uh goes in the phasing uh we want to phase it in two phases. Back first and then front later. Uh we want to do that for two reasons. I have tenant in the front two buildings that I'm going to try and I'm under we have some lease obligations to relocate them into the back buildings. So, if I tear them all down, I I don't have a place to put my tenants. So, we really need to go in and do the back piece first uh and then get set up to do the front. And that leads into the natural question with doing the sidewalks and the grading and the storm drainage and all of that up front. With phase one, we've got a little bit of grade elevation change out there at Main Street and we've got some utility issues and we're going to have to get into possibly a power pole move and we don't really want to get into all of that with our office operating up front when we can just do the back. But we will I mean we will do the improvement staff has asked for with phase two with phase two and we'll do the improvements on Maple Drive with you know with phase one. Uh, I think I've covered all of those except for the two accesses. And can I get my PowerPoint pulled up?

So, that's it. All right. So, I got Well, the the the the laser pointer won't work here. Um, can I walk over there and explain it? Can is that okay? Can y'all hear me? Okay. All right. So we talked about the bank later on slight.

Thank you. All right. So the the new the new building the back or the front of the new building is about where the grass stops on the back of the front building existing. And so the way that we've got the site designed is to have an entrance right there that runs in front of the new building. And I'll show you on the parking in just a minute. Can we can we go back just a second? the existing bank access uh right right here was designed that way uh in uh in 2010 when they built the bank, but it was put where it was put because the banks when they design them, they want the customers to go straight in and through the drive-thru. And so that's in alignment with the rear of the building for the drive-thru. If it was if it was if it was as the comment was made in engineering if it was at the 200 ft it would be up here. This is further back than than what even engineering's reference. And can you go to the second slide? All right. So our new plan we have slight adjustment right here. We can adjust back to the existing driveway, but it lines up for accessibility across here. And then this other access just feeds the office. It all floats in the staff report or in the email that the uh Steven wrote right here where the connection is to Simmons Bank. Uh planning staff asked us to do that and we agreed to it. But that's not really an access. That's that's for continuity between this out parcel, our proposed out parcel, and the new out parcels that are down here so that they can freely travel without getting on Main Street.

So, they could go all the way to the red light. So, we've got two accesses and we currently have about 19,000 square feet. and other sites that we've done like this. Uh we we really need another access in order for for traffic to move freely. And so now we're going to have about 32,000 square feet. So about a 50 60% increase. And so uh that's the reason we're requesting the two accesses. So I can show you some other Can I see the next slide? Okay. So, right here we have 160 ft to our first entrance. It's 225 ft to the bank entrance. And if you see, you can see this really clearly right here. They come in and they go around to the to the driveway. There are five minor arterials that come off the Indian Lake Peninsula. Bonita, Anderson, Anderson, Maple, Indian Lake, and Cherokee. It won't be surprised to everybody that's lived here. This is the lowest traffic count uh road out of those five. There are two other roads, Anderson Lane and Cherokee, that both have more traffic and the driveways are closer to the intersection than ours. Can we go to the next slide for our request? So, this is Cherokee. You got 110 ft. You got another uh drive here at 170 ft. It doesn't line up with the bank. Go to the next slide. This is Maple Row. This is not one of

the five. But none of this lines up. And that's 145 ft. Next. This is out of order. Go to the next one. Next one. Next one. Next one. Next one. Sorry. Next one. Again. I guess it got messed up. This is Anderson Lane. So, we got 100 ft to the Shell driveway. We got 145 ft to the the bank of America Drive. You know, I've been on that road a whole lot. They're kind of wonky right there, but they don't really line up. Uh, next slide. This is Indian Lake Road uh across from Walgreens. You got the church here at 170 ft. It's less than the 200 requested by by staff. Uh, next one. These are the traffic counts that I mentioned earlier. Maple being the lowest. Then can we go back to our overlay site site plan? Thank you. This is uh it's not on here. This is about the 20th iteration of this. We've done several of these other sites. Uh the parking works. We're overparked. Uh the uses are are commensurate with the area. Uh this is real similar. It's bigger. The buildings are a little bit bigger. At the corner of uh Glenbrook and New Shackle, we did the same configuration. We did Taco Bell. We did a 6,000 square foot building. We did 12,000 foot retail building in the back. We didn't have this third building. But that that all works and it works well. I want another entrance because we know what works and we don't feel like that this is a traffic or safety concern because there's, you know, I've got all

these other slides in here. Y'all can look at them, but they're all over Hendersonville where they're they're closer to the intersection than what staff is trying to hold me to. So, what I'm asking for is to just do basically what's on all these other streets uh in the city. Anybody from the planning commission have questions for the applicant? Commissioner Kerr. Yes. Uh thank you. That's a very detailed presentation.

Thank you. Uh just a quick question on the uh actually two questions on the appro approved uses. I noticed one of those is a daycare centered, adult child center, I guess. Um, and we heard concerns about the traffic earlier on in public comments. If if if a dare daycare or adult uh daycare center were to be constructed, where would it likely be and would it impede traffic? I mean, you see daycarees all over where at pickup time, drop off time, there's a lot of traffic buildup, and would this actually uh make the problem worse or would it not have an impact or would it may make it better? Maybe. I don't know.

Well, in my experience, it'd be a very marginal impact. Uh you mean you have, you know, peak drop off and pickup times. Uh we've got daycarees and schools and sever several other properties. Uh we have um you know they we have an autistic um center. Uh you know they fill up for a little while then they leave. It's on Maple. We have uh one over at Glenbrook. It's u it's not like a Goddard school. It's kind of like a Goddard school but it's not Goddard. And then we have a couple in Gallatton. And you know, surprisingly enough, we don't have any complaints out of any of the tenants. So that's what I kind of go with. The people that are in the parking lot, if they've got a problem, they're going to let you know. Okay. Second second question, and I'll go back to Timothy just briefly. You had mentioned there were some approved uses that were initially taken out, but they wanted to reload those. Is that Did I have that right? Uh there uh well sta staff recommended that they pull out some uses uh from those rear buildings.

Yeah. And what were those uses? Uh those were wouldn't one be a restaurant or some type? Yeah, I think uh full service quick service and full service restaurant. Um got the list here somewhere. Yeah. So a public safety facilities. like water, you know, water tanks and stuff like that. Uh indoor entertainment facility, which would allow for a theater, movie theater, indoor recreation facility, animal hospital, uh daycare center, adult or child, restaurant full service and carry out restaurant quick service, and then utility private.

Okay. So, I guess my question if if staff had recommended that you take those out, why would you put them back in, I guess, is the question. Well, I didn't really put them back in. What what happened is is Timothy sent over the email. I said, "We'll we'll do all of these." And then I think we got an email back and we had to get something uh in Thursday or Friday and I said, "Just put them all on there and we can address it." So it's not it wouldn't So you would be open to go back to the recommend? Yeah, I already told them I'd work with them on that. I just really want the office uses in the B.

So part of that and and I can make a motion if I need to. I think I think we need to go back to where the staff landed on this is that there are some of these that you recommend you take off the list. Uh if you guys still feel strongly about that. I mean and I hear you. I mean, you you last last minute you want to get the email out, but that's not a reason to me to add them back. I think we got to let the staff make that call and make a recommendation to to planning commission. So, and I I just want to hear from staff, I guess, at this point. So, you go ahead.

Um, so, uh, like like David had said, um, our comment to them was a was a recommendation. It wasn't like, you know, fist on the table, you got to pull these out. It was a recommendation for them to to consider and think about um uses that they would be willing to to um to weed out. Um you know, I just read through our our recommendation uh Mr. Lucky um agreed to just office uses, which is even further limiting the uses than what this would do. This would allow more than just office uses. Retail was not in my list. Um, so if we were to just limit it to just office type uses, that would be um that would be a a call center office uh financial institution, general business services, medical dental clinic, medical dental laboratory. That those would be the office uses.

What about u um hair salon? So I believe that would fall under um yeah personal services. Okay. So I think that would be appropriate to to include in that. So I I guess Mr. chairman. Um, and maybe it's for planning is to do we need to go back and have this document revised with the full uh I guess approved list or at least recommended by staff. Um, or do you think we could mark it up from here and move forward and be done with it?

I believe if we put it in staff's hands, they can probably direct that to where it will be amanable to the neighbors that are going to be be behind it. I think that was what Timothy's driving force was to make sure it wasn't a disruption to the neighborhood. Okay. And Mr. Luck, you okay with that? We're in agreement. Okay. And and just to be clear, my we would if that's the if that's the um conclusion of the planning commission, uh we would move forward with that original list that I had that those I think seven or eight uses that we thought could be pulled out. So, okay. So, you trust that Commissioner G. Okay. Uh, Commissioner Slatterie, I see.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a question, Timothy, or somebody on staff. What is equipment repair? Is that fixing my cell phone screen when I throw it down, or is that rebuilding a hot water heater? Uh, it's small equipment repair. Okay. So, welding shop. No, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. Cell phone repair wouldn't be a bad idea. Timothy, do you have that list of what those what those are uh the list of the definitions. Well, the list of those uh office relate office kind of intensity uses. Um did you have that?

So I've got I've got this list which was what I had we had initially recommended. Um which allows more than just pure office. Yeah, I I think maybe listing what those are just so we get it's so it's clear and then that way that could be um Commissioner Kerr then that could be in that motion uh to recommend approval so that we're noting for the record what those what those uses are. And this is just limited to the rear building. Correct. Okay. I I'll stipulate that I'm in agreement with the list that Timothy sent over.

Okay. Okay, that's good. Commissioner Silkwood.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um so to address um the dual entrances on Maple Drive. Um so both the dual entrance and also the distance from the stoplight, they those both of those do not comply with the design city's design standards as well as the subdivision regulations. So, um, you know, and a lot of the examples you gave were older developments that have been there a really long time, probably prior to those changes. Going forward, what, you know, I know the planning department and the planning uh commission um, desires is to see less traffic snarls, things that flow a little bit better, which is the purpose of having these design standards and subdivision regulations. So, um, really the question is more or less to staff. Maybe we could have someone from public works talk a little bit about why those changes were made and how how if we were to approve these dual entrances, how that might cause an issue.

Yeah, I can speak a little bit to that. So um the the requirement to have that entrance offset from that main intersection is to reduce the amount of conflict points and to also um not influence ingress or egress at that main intersection at the signalized intersection. So that those are the the primary things um driving those requirements. I'm I'm sorry. Did that not answer everything? It did. I just, you know, some of the examples that were given were sort of older developments. They were.

And maybe you can talk a little bit about why those changes were made so that we don't end up with situations like the older developments we saw a moment ago. So, I can't really speak to um a lot of those older requirements. They they predate me. Um uh but uh you know I will say that what we're trying to do is promote uh really good and sound access management and uh you know that a lot of times doesn't mean perpetuating what was done in the past. It means improving u requirements and and that how we assess these different things. might I

interject there? There are newer examples. I didn't go through them all. Britain Street across from uh Bluegrass Country Club where the Dollar General was built has a a full access um driveway 95 ft off of Main Street. And then uh at Sunners Road in Indian Lake where the new roundabout was built, there is a uh looks like a right in right out in front of the uh the dailies there that's 140 ft off of Indie Light. So there are recent examples where this has been done as well.

Thank you. I'm just a little concerned that we're going to cause more problems and sort of perpetuate what's been done in the past, which are kind of what we're trying to avoid. So, understand.

Commissioner Evans, you're in the queue. Gosh, it's been so long I almost forgot what I was going to say. Did Did I dream it or uh maybe wishful thinking or otherwise? Is there supposed to be a traffic light in front of Simmons Bank and and Starbucks? No. Have I did I dream that it's down in front of the Chick-fil-A? In front of Chick-fil-A at Burger King. At Burger King. Yeah, Chick-fil-A and all of that. Is there Maple Road Boulevard? Is there a traffic light going in there? Yes.

Okay. If that's the case, then does that not open up Simmons Bank's parking lot as an access off of that traffic light to this development if we require a cut through or ask that a cut through be put in there? I I would be concerned if if I were Simmons Mike if if that was the case. I go in front of Taco Bell all the time to go up and down uh to keep out of keep out of Highway 31. So just just a concern. Is that the bank right next to this? Yes. So Simmons is is three properties over from you're going to have that Maple Road Boulevard is going to be the signal.

Yeah. And they go behind uh Regions. Regions. The access roads behind regions. That's right. It goes Regions all the way over to Starbucks, but does it? Yeah, it does connect to Simmons, doesn't it? Yeah. And I I I I'll just interject that I'm the bank right next to this. I can't think of the name of it. Simmons. That's Simmons. So, so I I'm going to be contacting Simmons in regards to the access. I don't I don't think there's current access easement right there. So, uh I'm going to be reaching out to them to see if uh if they're open to opening that up, but we definitely want this development to be ready uh and stubbed out to that.

And we've we've committed to make that access point. You see it there? That's your Simmons. Yeah. Okay. Uh, is that all you had? John, you finished? Are you done? Okay. Commissioner Wessel. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, you mentioned the project's going to be done in two phases or proposed for two phases. What's the time frame between the completion of the first phase and the beginning of the second phase?

Depends on lease up of the back buildings. We absorb X number of square feet. Um, we feel like that we're pretty far along already on our pre-leasasing and some of our commitments out of our first building. I would think that probably within two years we would start the front. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Commissioner Silkwood.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one other point that I'd like to make. This development looks very good. I like the elevations a lot. It's a far and away an improvement over what is there currently. So, I forgot to mention that earlier and I just wanted to say thank you for bringing this because I think this is going to really make this section of uh Hendersonville look a lot better. We're looking forward to it. Thank you, ma'am.

Commissioner Hasty, I saw you in the queue. I not a whole lot, you know, but I think some of your examples on access, you know, on distances, side streets had no access to main street, which you have a main access to Gallatton Road. I will support the staff on the one access, but out of all the other conditions, you know, you mentioned the sidewalk out front. I mean, I would I mean, I could support you there up to a point. We all know things change and you don't know exactly when the two phases are going to be developed. Things change. you may never do the first second phase and then I don't then the city won't be getting their sidewalks. So, you know, some point in there that there's got to be a point where we got to get the sidewalks on Main Street and Maple Boulevard. Maybe not with phase one, but some guarantee, you know, that it will get built by the time you issue maybe your final UNO phase one or something other. I'll let the staff work with you on that. But

well, I would want to have a little longer than the the UNO because the buildings will turn over and then we'll have to go through the whole process with the front again, but I could stipulate that we would build the front sidewalks within three years for the start of the project. Yes. Would you honor it with Shy? I can. You go with that. Yeah.

Okay. We we just need we need to make sure on any other um when there's a motion just adding that in there that the sidewalks uh be installed by the development within three years um and supported with a proper shity be fine.

Okay, I see Commissioner Hardwick. Quick question to I understand why you want to do the the back building first to measure tenants and all is would there be any trying to think of the right word to use chance that you would want to do your QSR building before you would tear down the front building because just

you're going to have a lot of activity for that. Let's just say it that way. If if we could go back to the overlay, but I don't think the QSR works unless the other building goes ahead and goes away. It's it's too tight. We couldn't get all the drive drive lines. And I mean, the QSR goes, the whole thing goes. So back building gets built, you're close to full, you still feel good about the retail market, then you go in and you tear down the front building and we start retail from that point. Yes, sir. Thank you.

Any other commissioners have questions, comments? Okay. So now we are to I'll entertain a motion and remember on your motion to add the three years for the sidewalk with shity and if you have any issues with the street accesses you need to address that too. I don't see I'm not seeing anybody eagerly stepping up. Okay, here we go.

All right. So, do we need we need to make the motion to where that it in we're we're changing zoning, correct? Yes, you're changing the zoning approving the combined development plan. So, I make the motion that we approve the zoning that it's in character with the neighborhood with the retail development that's on East Main Street and the land use plan

and the current land use plan. Make the motion that it can be done in two phases. that the sidewalks will be built within three years and will work with staff regarding issues related to that. They will work with staff regarding uses for the back building. And what else is that everything? comments and it includes all staff comments

and we have a second now. Including all staff comments you all that means you're addressing the roads in the staff comments access

the road access. So, and you've called out the sidewalk in a specific time frame for three years with shity from the beginning of the project. Miss anything on the summary? Everything documented? Okay. So, we have a motion by Mr. Hardwick and we have a second by Mr. uh Hasty. Now, we'll go to the vote electronically. Motion to approve. Pass with eight yeses.

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Let's see here. All right. The last one is the site plan. Okay. Number 10. And this is Jim and Nick's Mural Mini site plan. Owner D3 Hendersonville, May LLC. Location 264 East Main Street, parcel 159 JA 021.0. Lead planning is Caitlyn. Go right ahead, Kaitlin. Take it away.

All right. So, the site plan for Jim and Nicks Barbecue was approved by planning commission uh September of 2024. Uh the restaurant is located within the Mayfair Mayfair plan development is nearing completion of construction. The applicant is asking for approval of a wall mural and then two decorative painted signs. So, the wall mural um features lettering in the state outline in the color white dove. It also has a heart symbol over the Hendersonville painted in country redwood. Um let's see. The mural does comply with the design standards in the zoning ordinance and it doesn't violate any of the prohibited. Uh the applicant has also already addressed the comment of the providing the information on the artist. The second is the painted wall signs. They are requesting a waiver. Um the two signs are painted on the eastern elevation. One is a 28 square foot drive-thru directional sign and the second is a 57 square ft quote by Anthony Bourdain referencing the food served. The proposed signage is 80 square 85 square ft which within the 98 foot minimum allowed for that elevation side. The both signs would be painted directly onto the brick and use the same white dove color as the mural. Under the Mayfair design guidelines, um it does not allow for painted signage. It requires that all the signage be channel letters. Um so the drive also the drive-thru sign is functioning as a directional signage

instead of um an actual sign. Um the quote references the food served. um those do not qualify as the wall murals. So that they are asking for the waiver on those.

Is that everything, Kaylin? Yes, sir. All right. Do we have an applicant here? Will you step up and tell us your name?

Uh good evening. My name is Dominic and I am here representing Jim and Nicks. I appreciate your time tonight. Um, we are asking for, as she mentioned, we're asking for a couple things here. Uh, we're proposing the wall mural on the, uh, the west side of the tower. So, it's the side elevation of it. Uh, highlights Hendersonville. So, it kind of has a local community tieback without overbranding, but it also calls attention to the tower, which right now is just basically black brick. So, it it uh makes it a little spunkier. Um, the signs on the side for the drive-thru. Uh so for the berdane quote um you know which is barbecue may not be uh may not may not be the road to world peace but it's a start. Um typically it's been really well received by our guests. Uh the idea is as you're waiting in line or you're driving to the drive-thru you can see that it tends to brighten people's days and we get really positive feedback both from jurisdictions and from guests that have gone there. Um we like to uh not over signage the building. The only Jim and Nick sign you'll see on the building is the one facing the road. It's just one one main Jim and Nick barbecue sign. Everything else is kind of meant to be um you know, not not too fancy, not too flashy. And that's why we paint these is to kind of make it a little bit simpler and a little bit more inviting for guests. Um for the drive-through sign, uh it serves more as a functional sign as well. Uh once again, not trying to add like another LED sign or anything that kind of uh attracts too much light uh while guiding guests uh gently to the drive-thru, reassuring them they are going the right direction. Uh the intent with Jim and Nick is is definitely not to over signage and so that's why we're we're proposing to paint these. Uh the muralist uh that we were using has done this at multiple locations for us does a great job and it's what he does for a living. That's all I had unless you have any questions.

All right. Anybody from the commission have questions, comments? Commissioner Slatterie. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for being here and being patient. It's tough being late on the agenda. I know. Um, how tall is that tower portion where you're proposing the outline of the state of Tennessee? I don't know the the height of the tower off the top of my head. Uh, it is existing. It's tall. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty tall. It sticks up there, does it? Yeah, I would say plus or minus 25 ft, but I I I don't know. Sorry.

It's okay. Thank you for not making up a number. That's the side that Chick-fil-A would say.

And and that's some of my question as well without Chick-fil-A being built and I don't even know how to phrase this question. Does this is any of this blocked by Chick-fil-A? Does it matter if it's blocked by the building? Does it lose its functionality if there is another quickserve restaurant right there next to it? So, the mural is you're going to see it coming from Madison side. So, Chick-fil-A could potentially block some of the mural. It just depend. Once you're on the building, you're going to see the mural. Um the other side you're going to see um Valvaline,

the quote, the Anthony Bourdain quote. Yes. And as I understand it, that's more to entertain me while I'm waiting in line for my barbecue with fall. Okay. Um, I thank you. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. I'm curious as to how effective it will be with Chick-fil-A right there as I'm coming from Madison approaching the restaurant.

Uh, yeah, like I said, I mean, the the idea is not to over signage. Um, it's really just to kind of beautify the building. Um, just make it a little bit more grassroots than anything. Um, you know, I it's it's towards the back of the building, too. So, I mean, honestly, it it's the idea is not to to be in your face and you're like, there it is. It just right now it's just an empty tower. Is there any Thank you. Is there And I apologize for interrupting. Is there any intent to put lighting on it in any way to I realize it's not a lighted sign, but to direct lighting to it?

Yeah, we have three. Yeah. So, we have three um I guess down lights, I guess, in this case. Typically what we've done in other jurisdictions is we'll have a a Jim and Nicks painted barbecue and it's on it. Sometimes that does serve as signage depending upon the orientation and the roads that are around it. So it can be very useful. Uh in this case uh we just wanted to paint this just to add more more flare to the building.

Okay. Um and so we had intended on initially when they designed this building you know years ago now u on doing that and as we we started getting to sign code we realized that it would be overbranding and it would not uh would not pass for code. So when we've ran into this situations in in past and what we did here so we like to highlight the local community so it fills the tower space kind of makes it not as empty um without overbranding but at least drawing some attention to it. Okay. Thank you. No problem. and we are excited that you're coming to Hendersonville. We're looking forward to it, too. Commissioner Silkwood.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Well, thank you for bringing Jim and Nicks to Hendersonville. I can't wait to eat some of your barbecue. Um, I will say that I think the murals and directional signage look great, and I think it looks very much in keeping with what I associate with barbecue, which is a little bit more of a rustic flare. Um, and I would also note that I believe Raisin Canes and Pope Eyes has similar murals. So, I will be voting for it. Thank you.

This is more of a question to the staff and that is remember what we did with Best Buy wanting to paint their wall. So, you know, the directional signs and all and painting them and painting the brick and what we said with that, you know, of buildings being able to be handed to the next tenant. So I'm just bringing that up as consistency. So I think we have uh we have approached this before differently. So

yeah, I I think with this the this particular building and and the limited areas that we're talking about, staff's not concerned with it uh to the level that we were with the Best Buy and the scale of that being right out front, right? Uh, so really the fronting of that was really probably more what the staff was concerned with on Best Buy. Okay. Just wanted to get it out there in the ether.

All right. Any other comments? Otherwise, you're asking for one. Let's see. You're asking for the uh ability to put up a piece of artwork as it goes for the mural and then these other two are waiverss to our signs. So just be aware of that. So when you offer a uh motion, include it that way. Do I have a motion? Okay, I'll make the motion. So I'll make a motion to approve the fact that we're going to allow the artwork of a wall mural and also we're going to uh give the variances for the the directional sign and for the Anthony Bourdain quote. And that's it.

And we have a motion. We have a second. And we'll go to the electronic vote. I'm going to try to read it from the screen up top. Motion pass with eight yeses and zero nos. You got it. Appreciate the time. Thank you. Thank you. Hurry up. Hurry up and open. When is the When is the date? Well, I don't want to I don't want to ru I mean, that's more of a marketing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, go on. There's only a few people.

Get your marketing. Upset your marketing director. Yeah. Yeah. They would they would they'd crush me for that. So, we're we're about a month out. So, we're we're getting very close. All right. Thank you. Okay. And I wanted to just take this moment too before I move any further to introduce our newest person. Okay. And his name's Mike Wessle. I forgot to do that at the very beginning. All right. So, welcome Mike. We appreciate it. And welcome on. Welcome to the commission.

All right. Now, we'll go ahead and start with the next thing. Staff level projects approved. I don't need to read these, do I? Everybody can see these for yourself. Anybody got questions for any of them? All right, then we'll go to the next one. Staff level projects pending. Same thing. Anybody got questions on any of these issues?

I will say something really quick. U since we had David Lucky here this evening, uh his company's purchased 921 West Main Street. That's the uh black uh mirrored building that's kind of tall one on West Main Street. And so uh we're doing he submitted and we're reviewing uh in uh at the staff level a uh design review. Uh, so he's gonna totally reskin the building and and uh have a whole new use for it. So So that's going to be moving moved along here fairly quickly. Fantastic. Okay. That'll sure make the other side of town look better. They will very much so. And I don't know if any of you all have been down and seen Grace Place, but that's moving along really quickly, too. So

yeah, even they're kind of courtyard. Yes. It's pretty neat. All right. Any other questions about any of those? Anybody? All right, last page. Same thing. Any questions on on any of those? All right, planning director comments. Go right ahead, Keith.

Uh, I just got a couple of different things. Um, I just wanted to share with the planning commissioners uh that we're continue to work with Bulma on development impact fees. We had a really good work session and uh hopefully here over the next month or so. Uh we'll uh we'll end up moving forward uh to determine exactly uh what the development impact fees may look like and uh so we're excited to to do that. Also want to let everybody know I don't talk about this a lot but we do a lot of things through our metropolitan planning organization uh GNRC greater regional n it's something GNRC and uh they uh uh they're involved with the transportation system uh throughout uh middle Tennessee and we do a lot of different things there. So, uh, we've submitted, uh, uh, for our regional transportation plan. And what happens is there's a regional transportation plan and then the things that are on the regional transportation plan, they can go into the tip, the transportation improvement plan, and that's where the money is uh, for projects. Uh so all of those projects that uh Bulma had just approved earlier this year on the uh 10-year capital transportation plan, all of those are put into the uh uh regional transportation plan. And so we're excited about that process. Uh Zachary is working on that uh a lot. Uh so we look forward over this next several months uh to see what we end up getting funded uh to do some muchneeded uh transportation projects. Also, we're working the staff is working on updating population projections. Uh we we have have a system with an Excel spreadsheet that we had a couple years ago. We're updating that and we're going to modernize it so that it stays up consistently and then projects our population forward uh to full buildout. So, uh, over the next couple of months,

we're hopeful to maybe, uh, bring that to the planning commission and and go over, uh, go over that. Um, also I will note that uh the changes that uh the planning commission's recommended over the last several years and that Bulma has approved uh with some of the things with the increase in lot sizes uh some of the Westlake reszonings uh that a lot of those different things have significantly reduced uh the full buildout of total number of units and population. So those things have made a significant difference and we'll be able to discuss those maybe here in a couple of months when I go through what some of those population projections will be. Also wanted to update uh the planning commission uh that the Crestwater uh annexation requests and plan development uh did fail uh at the Bulma at the first reading. So uh that is not moving forward. our zoning ordinance uh that the planning commission recommended uh at the last uh meet our last meeting uh that did go to a first reading at Bulma and it passed and so the second reading will be uh October the four at next week's um um board of mayor and alderman uh meeting. Uh also uh we're partnering and working with our public works uh staff uh on they're doing an access management study that we're going to be uh partnering with them. We have a pilot program uh to look at the construction of a couple of medians uh in the Westlake area on West Main. This uh access study will then clearly determine where a medium median uh would be appropriate up and down West Main Street. So, we're excited about that and appreciate um uh the mayor and the board of and the board of mayor and alderman on funding uh all of those different things to help us with our pilot program as well as fund funding that access

management study as well. Uh also, we've we've uh we have facade grants for in the Westlake area along West Main. Uh so we have a pilot program there where we're going to be doing some matching grants and we're gonna have a continuation of our signed grants uh to remove non-conforming uh signs and replace those with conforming uh signs. So that's everything they had, Mr. Chairman, and happy to answer any questions if anybody had any commission. Any questions, comments? Otherwise, I'll look for an adjournment. So anybody got a motion? So move. All right. Second. All in favor?

Any oppose? Thanks everybody. Appreciate it. [Music]