Council Public Safety Committee - Regular Meeting

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Okay. Good evening, everybody. It is 05:31PM. This is the council public safety committee, 05/14/2026. Miss Ningus, if you could please call the meeting order. And miss Ningus, if could please take hold.

Council member Bonilla? Present. Council member Roach? Present.

Mayor Solomons? Present. Thank you. Before we proceed, I see a pink box over there.

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In the audience that would like to make a public comment on something that is not on the agenda? Is there anybody either online or in the public that would like to make a public comment? Seeing none, I'd like to close the public comment and move on to

Oh, the the police.

To the first item on the agenda, which is the report from police department.

The first item is the approval of minutes from

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the minutes because we can't go to the first time. I just wanna let you know that

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the Henry Park steering me wrong. Can I get an approval of minutes?

So moved. I approve.

Second. That moved by councilman Baroque, the second by councilman Bunia, and if there are no objections, it wouldn't be honestly passed. Moving on to the first item on the agenda, which is the report from the police department. Chief Matthews, take it away.

And you can go ahead to the next slide where we can do this for me. Thank you very much. Good evening, mayor and committee members. Thank you for the opportunity to present tonight. This is gonna be your chief's update for the time period of January through March 2026.

The first slide is representative of our client categories comparing those to the same time period of last year in 2025, as you can see by all categories indicated called green. Those show reductions when you compare 2026 over the same period in 2025. We continue to show reductions across most crime categories, including homicide rate, robbery, both residential and commercial, arson other vehicle thefts. I do wanna point out one thing on the slide. If you look at the aggravated assault category, you'll see a 44% increase there.

Working with our prime analysts to understand why that is the case, the the prime category for aggravated assault, the definition has changed. And so it includes a new prime category that was a standalone prime category before brandishing weapon that is now captured in this dataset. So that's why there's an increase because of the definition change. Next slide, please. What are examples of?

So It's a solid. So anything that results in significant for where used with. So that that would all fall in that category. And now they've added four seventeen pill code, which is brandishing weapon. So if somebody points a gun at somebody but doesn't shoot or they or show some kind of weapon in a threatening manner that is now captured in that category when before it was a standalone.

This slide represents crime data and trends over the course of the past year. So April 2024 and March 2025, the top five reported crime categories pretty much remain the same every meeting to meeting. We have seen an increase in storage unit burglaries that are targeting high value items. Just wanna put that out there for the community to make sure that they're of things that they're leaving there and making sure that those are locked. I know most of those facilities have pretty good camera security systems at least on the exterior to capture who's coming in and who's leaving.

But when you have a storage unit that's on the interior of a building, there could be some vulnerabilities there, so there's one out there. Criminals using apps like Facebook Marketplace to offer a set of victims to rob them. That's a trend that we have continued to see. And it goes both ways. Right?

Customers will show up with cash to make a purchase and and get robbed or, you know, deal gets set up for kind of a high end item. Again, the seller has been. So we recommend other places as well that, you know, I've even mentioned this in previous meetings to become a police department. They're right in the front front parking lot of police department if you wanna make that type of exchange. And then the last thing I wanna touch on, fraud targeting victims for money by phone and online. This is pretty prevalent,

and I

know I've had family members who have been a victim of this. One of the things that we are seeing now is kinda like this AI voice quoting. I actually got a call trying to think of what it was. My grandfather called me, and he got a phone call from somebody who sounded just like me who reported being in custody and needing money for bail. And I said, well, that work.

So not me. But that is a trend. And then I I I know that healthy health care scams with the elderly are becoming prevalent, and then, you know, like, tech support scams. You know, you have a virus. Click on this link to update your system, and people are getting personal information from doing those things.

There was an interesting one that I got a call on to not long ago. It was a and this is a living facility down South Bay who called and asked to speak with me. And when I talked to the person, apparently, somebody called a resident claiming to be chief Matthews from the police department saying that they had a fine that they owed, and they wanted to confirm that that was not in fact me. And so please be careful about doing anything with money over the phone, providing any personal information over the phone. And then again, if you do the text message claiming you have, you know, you owe a fair affair of the bridge or anything like that, be careful about those links because that's how you feel getting into your personal information.

Next slide, please. Just a brief snapshot of the firearms that we recovered in this time period, 98 total. We are continuing to see a proliferation of firearms on the street, including property crime offenders, which wasn't the case before. And a lot of folks, for whatever reason, I confirm if I'm misspeaking on this, everybody's seen the cross body bags. You know, the they have a strap that kinda goes around your back and a pouch that's in the front. It seems like a lot of the guns that we are recovering are being carried in that manner. So

Sure. Hope this is just a trend. Like I said, it was just a, you know, like a man purse trend.

Right. It is, but it's also I mean, if you think about it,

it's

pretty easy to Yeah. Accessible, fairly quickly accessible if it's

Okay.

You know, right, right on front of me like that. So that was the trend that we've seen. Next slide, please. This is a slide covering our school data. 175 responses to campuses during this time period. Some of the trends we did have, some demonstrations that happened during this time period, some walkouts. You know, we monitor these things as we do with those types of events. In fact, they went very, very well. I know the school district has staff accompanying students. You know, they they went exactly the way that we ex would expect them to.

They marched. They demonstrated. They went back to campus, which I'm gonna be honest. When I was in school, I wouldn't have been. I just got home, but no significant issues there. Campus burglaries, we have seen issues. I know Tennyson High School has experienced a couple, one pretty significant. We were working with their administration. I know that we have made two arrests in that case, although I don't think that we've recovered some of the property that was taken yet, but we are assaulting some of these things. Know, touch on the last one.

Next slide, please. Our youth and family services update. The left column is school based prevention and early intervention. Sixty nine students received intensive individual group interventions. And then at the bottom, can see where some of the focus areas are, social emotional learning, mental health, and family partnerships and support.

The middle column, 237 total individuals served. They actually think that that's underreported because the county experienced a loss of data. They think the number is actually higher, but that's what we were able to recover. And then our YFSP counselors and clinicians are available to our staff twenty four hours a day when critical incidents happen in the field, you know, traumatic death, things like that, they actually respond all hours of the day to provide acute support for families, and they did that four times during this time period. And then the far column, family counseling, diversion, and life skills training.

A 143 youth and families were served there. And, again, I'm excited to point out that the schools and law enforcement continue to be the primary deferral source for those cases. Next slide, please. For the PD related heart program, the HMET, we had two zero one CAD calls for service. No instances of use of force during this reporting period.

That's a consistent desirable outcome from this program, I will say. And then for Link, a 163 referrals were received. A 129 individuals were served, and then a 113 engagements were made with a lot of folks that were connected to existing services. And, again, the referral source primarily is from our staff to, you know, clinicians. Next slide, please.

This is our community outreach slide, and we'll go through all of it. Although I do wanna point out under the first category there, youth and school engagement, as part of our operations, safe travels. We talked about that in the traffic safety within our work session with the council. We've done pedestrian safety discussions at Cherryland, Burbank, and Harter Elementary Schools. And then under the community events, I think I'm not sure if everybody got out there for that, but we did a baristas and band. We had some of our staff members back there. We make lattes and such. We debriefed outdoors, told them they're real jobs. They're not good at making lattes, but it was

a fun event, and a

lot of them showed up to engage us. Did Marshfield's, you know, again, in line with what we discussed on Tuesday in the budget work session, we are experiencing limitations in community outreach and involvement in some of the events just due to vegetarian staffing constraints. And I think that's something that we'll have to navigate through those meetings with the next fiscal year. Next slide, please. This slide is related to, our engagement with unhoused community members.

On the topic of Regis Village, we have we've 35 HPD related responses at that facility in January. We had February 12 eight March. We had 15 police calls of food and weapons possession, suspicious circumstances, welfare checks, and psychiatric body admissions. We are continuing to meet quarterly with staff coming back in other week. Social items and we're hoping that to continue to safety issues there.

We've parked, we had 59. We made against it was January 19, February 16, March 22. A variety of different events. We we did make three arrests, two rehearsals, one was world war, and then we logged 31 proactive security checks. This is when a police officer takes it upon him or herself to put himself in an area where we know we're experiencing issues just to be a visible presence and also to check to make sure that everything's on the up and up.

Under the interdepartmental partnerships, I do wanna highlight in partnership with director Bowser and code enforcement, we did street vendor enforcement on February thirteenth, nineteenth, and March 4. So we reset the days with that new partnership with them. Next slide, please. Animal services, same time period. Our live animal intake was down, which is a good thing, about 22%.

We did on the far right side, under community events and programs, we have a pet food pantry. So we we 53 households and or unhoused residents were provided with food for their pets. That's a program that we're proud of. And then I just wanna highlight we wouldn't be able to operate without the volunteers. So 2,251 total volunteer hours during this time period.

Also, I know that, you know, since we talked about services, we do have only one animal control officer for the entirety of the city right now. That person based on one of the totals testing for another position, and we have two vacant animal control officer positions that right now we're not recruiting for. So we are potentially gonna see an impact there. We're working to fill those gaps using some of our other staff on a temporary basis, but just wanna put that out there because that may impact customer service. And the last slide, our staffing update.

We have 27 sworn staff vacancies, 21 professional staff vacancies as it stands today, and that's gonna change on Monday. 29% of our sworn that's that's how you go. 29% of our sworn workforce is unavailable, and that includes an additional around 30 employees who, for one reason or another, are not available in the field. They're either in training or on injury off on injury. They're, you know, up on FMLA, military, etcetera.

We are continuing to recruit some good news. We've graduated five trainees on Monday from the police academy there in the building going through their in house orientation. We do have three trainees who are starting the police academy a week from this Monday event with them today. Pretty incredible group, including the homegrown candidate, a kid that grew up here in New York, is what we always like to see. And then we are processing some folks for the next academy, which is in September in anticipation of some separations between now and then. And that is my update. I have the day to answer any questions that you have.

Thank you so much for that update. And it's so good to see crime is lowering all those categories. But can we go back to the calls for service at the schools real quick? What's driving the high, I guess, calls at elementary schools? Because I would have expected high schools to be a little bit higher. But when I saw the elementary schools, like, a That's a great question. School.

It usually is not high school as the, you know, I can, you know, consumer. I I don't know the answer to that. I will have staff dive into that and get

you an answer. That is something that, you know, we should look at. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. I apologize for. And then, you know, then the other question was on YFSB. They also support families that go through perhaps, like, immigration type issues. Right? Like, if there's ICE enforcement activities, is there any update on that? In in terms of data,

so they're they're basically kind of a bridge entity. Right? So there have been cases where, you know, obviously, interactions with lives can be traumatic. Right? And so just the trauma of that and their counseling skill set, you know, they provide those services directly to families if they if they want them.

But they serve kind of as a bridge to existing, you know, state and county services related to to immigration. So I don't have any data to share on that. But when we are notified that ICE is in town and they have engaged in some level of activity, we do our best to get YFSB involved in the aftermath just to to provide anything that we can provide.

Thanks so much for that. So has there been an increase in that type of activity in our city?

No. There was pretty consistent presence when and we saw it on the news when Coast Guard Island, they were about staffing immigration and border patrol folks there. We were notified that they were in town about once a week. It's it's been, gosh, weeks Okay. Since we've been notified. And and when they are in town, you know, they they will provide notification. We do not assist. They let us know when they clear it. We try to get, you know, an update about what the outcome was and the purpose. They have scaled back the information that they're providing us in that regard.

But when they are in town, I make sure the city manager is notified and the city manager makes sure the council is notified. And, again, we try to connect people to the folks that have expertise in dealing with

those issues. Thank you. Yep. And then as it relates to the street vending at, how I guess, what was the results of that? Because they still drive by there, and it seems like it's still doing what they're doing. So Yeah.

It is the magnitude of the problem or superseding staff capacity. I will say that. I think that's not new. I don't have that data. That's typically development services led effort. We are there as kind of the support because we wanna make sure that our staff that goes out and does code enforcement stuff feels safe. Right? I don't know if Jim knows anything else on that.

Yeah. You know, I I don't know what we can say that we'll make any of problem, but we do hold these not sometimes with police, sometimes not. And we also sometimes coordinate with County Health because a lot of the times, the violations actually help. Food and other. And we do them regularly.

What the issue is counsel knows is that it's you know, our staff will go out and force you know, in some cases, people have to leave. And then as soon as the office the code folks leave, then they come back and set up again. So it's a really difficult issue to enforce because they are mobile. And then because they're not attached to a property, we can't cite I mean, when they are attached to a property, we have a little alarm. Because then we can actually cite the property owner for having it legal or unconfirmed, street owners. But when they're not, it's really difficult. They don't have to give us their ID. And even if they do, they can just kinda tear up the citation, and chances are no one's gonna prosecute. So it's just a really hard issue to enforce. And so I can't say we're making it done.

But we are I'm working with the supervisor's office and her staff and met a couple times with city attorney's office and health services and code with at Alameda County Health, and we're trying to kind of think of ways that we might be able to enforce a little different liens. We're exploring some different code citations. And then we're also looking at legislate like, are there some legislative effects, especially for larger some of these, like, outdoor restaurants that have, like, open flame and have set up chairs and tables, like, and maybe trying to really focus in on maybe some tweaks to state legislation that could address those issues as opposed to the smaller ones. So we're exploring. I I can't say that we have a easy answer to it.

Yep. No. No problem. Thanks for that that response. And then is it is it kind of the correct understanding that code enforcement activity is typically complaint driven?

I mean, I think that not all not always. I mean, it depends on the issue. Sometimes we call you know, these call them quality of life issues, which is not necessarily mean, treatment. Mean, they try to be proactive. They can't do it all the time. And part two, because we're not we're not actually recovering revenue from that. It's citation revenue. So the any time we spend doing that means we're not getting Exactly. Funds to do it because we can't really even if we cite people, we're not getting paid from those citations. So but they do try to do it regularly, not as much as we would need to probably to actually, like you know, we we would probably do it all every day, but we can't afford to do that. But there are types of inspections, like, you know, for certain life safety or housing inspections that we do regularly.

Because, like, I was just wondering in this case, like, to the point that you were just kind of perhaps alluding to is is the juice worth this whiz when we already have limited resources in this space? And I get that the restaurants rightfully so are complaining, but is are the complaints being driven by the community? Right? Is the community saying we need this enforcement? It feels unsafe for having these food and health and safety issues, or are we doing this as a response of the businesses complaining?

And I totally understand why they're doing it, but I just wanna make sure that, you know, we're we're being thoughtful about how many times we're doing this and the method in which we're doing it if it's not resulting in any results that are actually changing the issue. So that's all. Thank you so much. Thank you, Eric.

Yeah. I was just a quick follow-up to that. You know, I have certainly received the emails about, you know, street vendors and, you know, people are frustrated. I get emails particularly amongst neighbors along the Huntwood corridor, late to Huntwood in that area. Also, we also had a group.

We had a a meeting between state senator Will Hobb's office, state assembly member Liz Ortega's office. The county was in the room. We were all in the room. Business you know, the the restaurant owners were in the room, and we amongst other you know, amongst identifying gaps in in enforcement, we also talked about the gaps in the legislation. And the California Restaurants Association was also in the room, and they were talking about changing legislation on on enforcement.

And so while all of that was going, it we're still we're still a long way away from, you know, something that's effective and, you know, in enforcement. And and, also, you know, I think the the chief is being very polite, but just to what makes this issue such a complex issue and difficult to enforce is, you know, I certainly wouldn't want our police officers out there enforcement doing enforcement particularly too heavily because at the end of the day, they'll end up on social media. They'll end up all over, you know, the web, and it just looks bad. And and that's what makes this issue such a complex issue. We're dealing with immigrant families, immigrant people.

We're dealing with, you know, vendors of color. We're dealing with, you know and and neighborhoods that are divided. We have people who support them and who go there, and then we got people who don't go there. And, I mean, it's it is you know, the city manager has often said that this is a very complicated, very complex, a very tough problem. And, you know, it I'm I'm surprised.

You know? And I'll just say, I'm surprised we haven't seen a a massive breakout of someone getting sick or a group of people getting sick because the way the the loose the loosey goosey, and that is a public policy term, the loosey goosey way of food handling and food storage, I mean, it's absolutely mind blowing. And but Yeah. It's hard. And I agree.

You know? And I was thinking, like, if if even the police department is facing a lack of resources, do would and and you guys are pulling back from community events because you don't have the resources. Do we want the police working with the community to build these relationships versus exactly what you were saying using these resources to go out there and already you know, it can just get totally messy. So anyways, and then my last question, and then I'll move on. Know, for the county, is there anything that they can do to help us with animal services while we're kind of going through this bit of an issue?

So it's certainly something that we've had conversations with them about. They do have their own shelters located out in East County by, you know, their training facility out there. They are equally impacted. You know, we've looked at working with the SPCA and some other entities. They are also equally impacted, and it comes at a cost.

Right? Like, we would you know, we're not paying our own staff. The county wouldn't come and provide that service for their either, and so there would be a fee associated with it. Totally open to continuing that conversation with them, but I think they're in a similar space with respect to shelter staff. And, you know, we do you know, the animals that we end up receiving are not, you know, they're not all havoc. I think we've talked about that. Well, it's, you know, it's a challenge. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah. I did just follow-up on that. I was thinking the same thing. You know? Because could we collaborate? You know, like, where one clinic is the spay and the other clinic. You know, every city or entity takes a different, you know, a a different thing that you do for animals because, yeah, you're think a lot of these cities are shutting down their shelters because everybody realizes it's really hard thing to maintain. And so then a place like Hayward gets more animals from from the region. And and so then the the cities that do have it become overburdened. Yeah, I was gonna ask you if you're working with the Alameda Animal Shelter, but I think they're also just as overburdened from We

actually got outreach from Union City, San Leandro, Piedmont who are asking to use our

Yes. Mhmm. Because I know Fremont has one. Right? But I'm not sure if Fremont has one. I know they do because we would adopt it or can't. But but I don't know what they do as far as do they do Spain either or do they yeah. Anyway, yeah, have similar questions about it. And then on the stream vendors, I was wondering, did would it help if, like, for example, people on help, when they're emailing you, that's fine. But if they were, you know, calling the non emergency number or getting an access pay rate, if there was sort of a dataset that said this was a hotspot, would that have been more effective in code enforcement? Nope. We keep track of things like that.

So they do know where there are hotspots. Okay. Either because they're out driving around and they see it or they get a number of calls and complaints and stuff. They're aware of that, and they do try to target those. But I mean, they should to target some that are on private property because then we can actually Yeah. Lean the private property and get revenue from it and still kind of try to avoid having unplemented food trucks. So but we do keep track of that. Okay.

But I'm just wondering, like, as people are out there complaining, should we be telling them, you know, like, get a necessary to make sure because, like, the data might be more helpful as far as that's what it goes. That's what it's good.

We can. I mean, if there are ways you can do it, you can have well, I guess I was gonna say in access Hayward, you can have kind of an automatic response, but I guess that is not what you're saying. But there could be things that I could work with, like, Zach and others to get the emails and then

we Yeah. So if or we do it. I don't yeah. Somehow. Yeah. Just mechanism for reporting

and access here. Certainly, I would do to bring that to our attention.

Just to show I don't know. I just and when we're talking to businesses, right, that there there are these hotspots, and we're gonna try to do some sort

of Yeah. I I apologize for letting me go down the path and create a a space for vendor conversations, but I did wanna show

them. Oh, you're fine.

It's gonna bring them free then. It's not interesting.

You know, the the attention and, you know, this is it's like every other complaint. Right? You know, if you talk to staff, they wanna listen. They wanna know what the pain points are, and they wanna help. Right? And if you think that, you know, the constant work for all of us and every department is balancing that against what we have capacity for. And so, you know, the the representation of these, you know, interdepartmental, you know, kind of operations we'll call them is just to show that, you know, we are listening. You know, it is a a problem of a magnitude that, you know, we don't have the resources to address. It's not less. There's no question, but we we are, you know, to the extent that we can, we are trying. And and that's not just for food vendors. That's for all of the things. Right? Yeah. So we just wanna make sure that that the community

Yeah. No. I and I just wanna get so into it. But yeah. No. And and I know you're doing everything you can, and I know we don't have the capacity and or on on that site to do it. It is like, some of it's hard to watch. You know? I think there's a lot. But, I mean, there's market for it. You know? Some of these places have huge lines around the corner for some of these. And so it is complex, I think, in this city that there is this market for it. That's also hard to enforce. And then so going back to your actual presentation. I was glad, you know, I'm sorry to see that the elderly fraud work is up. I also do that in my senior legal aid work. And I just wonder, like, would it help us to do social media quarterly updates on the especially the elderly fraud stuff, not just for the elderly who may not be seeing it, but their family members. Because there's so many. I mean, like, solar is a big one for fraud for seniors.

They come in, and they try to scam them on a solar contract. It never shows up. They get them. They get in their bank account that way. Cable is another really big one for seniors because they're often home, and they really depend on their cable. So they'll come in pretending to be a certain cable, that person sends them to a whole different, like, you know, I don't know, international place to start, you know, taking money out of their their account. And then utility upgrades, that's a really big one because PG and E is constantly putting out notices saying, know, have us come in your home. We'll do an assessment and give you ways to save energy. And that's enough. They'll come in and get them again, they take that automated amount that they're going to do, and they go into their accounts.

And then I mean, and one that's so popular now, which is terrible, is they get them running around for these gift cards to pay off either an IRS debt or some other kind of debt, and they'll have them go to, like, a crypto machine and deposit some of this money. It's it's just amazing what they're constantly coming up with. So I wonder if just constant PSA updates just would help family members to realize what you're It's looking so awful what's happening out there.

We work with our communication

specialists. And then I I so I it's sort of personal, but I recently had an experience of having to deal with the youth and families versus critical incident. And I can't tell you how grateful I am for the response I got. And I also sort of recognize in that moment how hard it is for police to come out and fire and deal with those at the same time. And I'm just to sort of tell the community what an amazing job you guys all do to sort of be there for a family that's going through something so hard.

I don't know if I was one of those four, but I am I'm grateful, and I see how hard that work is. So I just wanna say probably how much I appreciate it. That was, you know, it was really hard. And then let's see. On on the and the link, how like, do you are you getting increased responses down to Regis? Like, do you go onto the Regis property to respond to with and link?

So they can. Not typically, link, but, you know, they're, like, in a case where you have somebody who's potentially in crisis and needs an evaluation, you know, we'll we'll go with the county behavioral health, you know, clinician invites with our our HMED team to do that evaluation. So in that, you know, in circumstances like that, sure, they're available. You know,

they can So you might go on campus or something? Okay. Mhmm. Okay. And then so along that same lines, you were you were saying that the last three months, it was 35 calls one day, one month, 12, and then 15. And I'm wondering, because this has now been asked of me as well, what is the difference between, say, a three month snapshot when St. Regis was a senior living facility versus it now as a homeless facility? Is there a comparison, or do you not know those numbers yet?

I'm sure there is, but and I'm sure that the call volume has increased because typically, you know, time facilities don't generate at least law enforcement calls, probably along the medical side for a buyer. So there may not be a big swing, you know, as far as as chief Henry and his team are concerned. But for us, I think, you know, there's certainly without looking at data

That's impressive. So and I know you thanks. And I know you're now working with vets. But, you know, obviously, at some point, we're going to have to sort of face some really like, if it can if it if it turns out we have, like, say, a 5% to 10% bump in police calls, and that just stays static now because of that facility, what you know, I I would like to sort of see that data over time because we obviously need to work with the county to for some help and intervention on that because if that's a burden now and we're not answering other calls because we're sending this new constant having a new constant response to this facility, we're gonna need help with that.

Yeah. We're we're experiencing you know, it's it's similar. It has a potential to be a similar situation to the assessment center. Yep. Mhmm. And so, you know, we are tracking, you know, how often we respond there both for PD and fire. We are, you know, even tracking in some of our our interactions with people in the field. You know, we had called out for somebody, you know, let's say in the downtown corridor, you know, our our officers are are asking the question. Right? You know, hey. Where where are you staying? You know? Yep. You know, where you live right now? And, you know, to the extent that we can, we're trying to capture that information too just so we know.

Because that's the the other question. Right? You have the on-site facility related calls for service, and then you have collateral calls for service, you know, when people leave the facility, and and that's just you know, there's no way around that, I Mhmm. But being able to track, you know, impacts there too as part of an overall conversation that we can have with county partners, I think, is K. The work that we're doing now.

Yeah. Thanks. Because I I just you know, I I think I've said to me, let's just wait you know, even worry about it. Let's just wait and see when everyone's onboard, everyone is gonna be in residence. And and I'm worried about that wait and see approach because if things aren't working out and we don't put something in place now, then it's going be too late. Like, for example, if they have to physically have a triage center, for example, on-site, they need to know that now before they build up a potential space for such a triage center so we're not constantly setting fire there. So to me, the early and often intervention is going to help us. I think everybody wants to see this be sort of a model facility for this kind of services. But there's bumps. There are bumps already.

And if we're not on top of it from the very beginning, it's going to be hard to it's going to be hard to know what's the word, put the genie back in So, yeah, appreciate you just being as hard as you can on pushing them on some of this stuff and early invention. Okay. That's all. Thank you. Thanks for the report.

Monday was the plank metaphor.

Yes. The mister McGoopla. Mister McGoopla, anyone? Know you've ever tried.

So I

looked it up and recognized him.

Thank you. Thank you, dad. I know mister McGoopla. Thank you. Gotcha. I'd like to go. Have your hand.

Do you there's do you have a public comment?

I do. Yeah. Let me let me get to my comments first. So yeah. I was gonna say, I don't know how successful they are because I know, you know, over the years, state senate office and the state assembly office, they usually do senior workshops quarterly or, you know, yearly or whatever. And I'm just curious, you know, perhaps might we invest in our own sort of senior workshops for seniors and, you know, I don't know what that would look like. It you know, kinda but it'd be more Hayward focused, but just something to think about.

Nicely ready.

Also, you know, national night out. I I I know there's been some discussion around, like, the caravan, you know, sort of, you know, how successful it is it is it? Do we wanna do it? You know, we might wanna have that conversation sooner than later. You know, continue with national night out, but, you know, I don't know how you know, I don't know that's been an issue.

So Yeah. Don't know. With both of those things. Keep it up. It's great. Yeah. Yeah.

The my central issue is Weeks Park. Mhmm. Weeks Park. And I I do know that there is some efforts and, you know, some strategies in the works for you know, there is some attempt to close it, clear it, clean it, and then figure out, you know, sort of to reopen it. But just, you know, just but both to you and city manager, you know, just let's just keep putting pressure on that.

You know, you know, when we talk about quality of life issue, you know, summer's coming up and kids wanna go to the park, and they have a playground. And right now, I mean, you know, at my monthly coffees, I'm getting families, and they're telling me that they're afraid to take the kids to the park. They're not going to the park, and they're even afraid now to take the kids to the library just because of who's there and, you know, everyone's just sort of sprawled out on the lawn and and so forth. But hopefully, by closing the park, clearing it, and cleaning it, then, you know, it'll get better. But we really need to really focus, particularly as we start to go into the summer.

You know, we really need to make sure Weeks Park is cleared. Oh, of course. We really gotta make sure Weeks Park is cleared and cleaned. Can you go back I just my last point is, can you go back to the crime the the the the crime status? That right there.

I just really wanna point this out. You know, there's a lot more green than it is white, which is great. And, you know, and I should say even in a you know, and I don't wanna be overly you know, I don't wanna sound like I'm overly promoting this or overly optimistic or cheering this. But, you know, even in our budget situation that we've been in for the last year, we've still been able to reduce crime in some of the key areas in the city. I mean, I just let's just sort of put that out there.

And, you know, you know, and and if we need to publicize this and and really get this message out, you know, I know no one in the city council, nobody on the executive team, nobody on staff can predict what will go up and what will go down and, you know, and so forth. I remember one year we had, you know, I don't know, several homicides within a short period of time. It was, like, within ten days or something or three or three weeks or something. So we can never predict that. But, you know, I just really wanted to point this out.

And if the community you know, if you're listening to us, you know, go back and look at this slide and, and really look at, the work that is being done. And I think this you know, I don't know what the data looks like countywide or even statewide, but, you know, if if our data is looking like this, I can only imagine what some of the surrounding jurisdictions are are like. I don't know if you can talk to that. Or Yeah.

People are experiencing inductions. I would say that, you know, I I think, you know, it's certainly a testament to the work that staff is doing. You know, we, you know, pride ourselves on investigative ability. But, you know, when you look at some of the software solutions, some of the technology solutions that are out there, some of the county collaboration that's going on in a lot of those spaces right now, it's been a game changer in terms of, you know, apprehending people post defense, solubility, being able to collect evidence that we otherwise wouldn't have. We'll talk about some of that tonight.

It's a combination of of all of those things. The information sharing that's going on at the command level because they meet once a month. The county chiefs and the sheriff and district attorney meet once a month because this you know, what happens in Hayward happens in San Leandro, Union City, Fremont, East County, etcetera. And somebody can commit a crime in the city of Hayward and be in another city in ten minutes. You know? So it is a a reflection, I think, of all of all of those things, and we're happy to, you know, partner with the city manager and maybe put something together so we can make sure

I I mean, we I mean, look. There you go. The the the day 66%, 38%, 44%, 54%. I mean, we're the in the in the high teens. I mean, you know, in in tens. I mean, I mean, I think, you know, residential burglary was

at

51%. 51%. I mean and so, you know, I know there's, you know, I know there's a lot of online traffic where, you know, people want to associate, you know, our budget crisis to every negative thing that's going on in the city right now. But, you know, I think this right here is a clear example of of the work that we've been trying to do and the and the strategies we've been deploying, technology, enforcement, and, you know, and some of this other stuff. But, anyways, I this this slide right here, I think, is a is an incredibly powerful slide just, you know, just to, you know, just to

look at. So, anyways He did, like, release that.

Yeah. I know. We need we need to post this right here. Take that slide and post it. And so so okay. And then my last point my last last point will be animal services. I get it. I know it's an expensive service. And and just the the one thing I would say is while handling, you know, the, you know, dogs, cats, and doing all that stuff, I know those are sort of the smaller issues that we're always dealing with. But the you know, if we can somehow increase the response time to, like, big animals, like, there's, like, a a deer dead in the middle of the street, we respond to those sooner than later.

Mhmm. But I did get an email, you know, a neighbor waited several days or or if there was a deer carcass on the ground. Anyways, but good. Thank you. Appreciate it. Now I'd like to open up for public comment. Do we have public comment?

Yeah. I'd like to ask a question. In my neighborhood, I have a grow house that's been there for a long time, and I don't know. Do I report that on Access Bay, or do you guys even wanna know about it? Grow house. A grow house. It's been there for years. No one lives there. And then as far as the street vendors, there is a house that cooks food for a company that their own street vending company. I don't know.

But you see them carrying, like, bags and bags of 50 pound bags of onions and things. I haven't had a problem with it, but my neighbor who comes home late at night from work has seen them dumping oil and stuff down the sewer drains. And rats, they have rat problems. So I don't know how to how do I report that. And do you guys wanna know? And then there's also apparently a Karen board on the same street that just came in. And, apparently, the caregiver doesn't live there. And there's people that are schizophrenic and very frail people. And so there's been a concern about how are they getting their meds and how are they being watched. How do I find out if they're licensed properly and and whatnot?

I'm just don't know how to do that.

Do wanna start? Yeah.

Go ahead. Okay.

I'll let the chief talk about

the girl house and if he wants

to respond to that. But we do have inspectors that deal with the discharge the oil discharge into the storm drains. And so if you give me your contact information or I mean, I think you can go to access Hayward or through nonemergency dispatch. Mean, any of those channels, you know, we will get it to the right person and make sure that they're aware of it. And they they are very or, anyway, they're very proactive, I would say. And there are fines and things that that can, you know, follow-up on that. The the room and board the board house is regulated by the state. Okay. So you have to check with the state and the licensing for that. That's not something we regulate.

If you can't find information on that, I'm sure someone in the city can help you track that down. We're happy to help. And then do you I don't know if you wanna talk with the government.

Yeah. Non nonemergency reporting with us. We do not just again, going back to resources. We don't have our own internal narcotics unit. Typically, we deal with something like that. We do have a detective that's assigned to the Albany County Narcotics Task Force, which is a regional approach to large scale narcotics related issues. I know that other entities will also investigate, you know, you know, illegal cannabis operations, fish and wildlife. I think a few weeks ago, we're in our city serving some search warrants out in the industrial area. So you can report that via the nonemergency line, and we'll get that to the appropriate Okay. Unit. Thank you.

Thank you.

And then one last question.

Yeah. I'm sorry. We do not call the common online.

Oh, yeah.

I haven't able to talk. Miss Barth, can you proceed?

Hi. Thank you. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. So the mayor's comments segue into something I was gonna mention about the transparency. You were you mentioned that this report, why isn't online people need to know about this? Well, it is on the agenda as oral report only, and it is in the minutes consistently. These police reports, fire department reports are as, you know, oral report and then the minutes say the police chief presented the report.

The fire chief presented the report. There is no information. Yet you have these detailed slideshows that you show at the meeting. But most people in in the community don't have time to watch the video. That's the only place you can find these.

And I don't think it would be terribly difficult to you know, if you promote transparency to either put it in the agenda or at least in the minutes. And I don't want to add staff time, it wouldn't be that difficult to to add those. I'm just like, I don't get it. Why? I mean, it's consistently also, I have some other issues here, and I'm not attacking anyone, but I think you guys sometimes forget that this is a public meeting.

It's not a conversation you're having around the table. So people are talking over each other. Sometimes it's very difficult to hear and understand what people are saying. Some people are not using the mics, and council member is it Roche? Roche? I apologize. Is speaking very quickly. It's very difficult to understand what she is saying, and she she needs to kinda slow down and enunciate. And the police chief often needs to speak up, quite frankly. It's very difficult to hear what he has to say. Anyway, I'm finished.

Thank you, miss Park. Okay. Got it.

Real quick, ma'am. The the PowerPoint presentations are posted online for public consumption on the city's website.

Same place that's posted.

Same place for the So these are available for public consumption going back to. And

then you had a question. Councilmember Roach had a question.

Thank you. And I apologize. I do talk too fast. I've always been told that it is a problem, so I will try to slow down. I wanted to ask about gang tagging. There seem to be a lot of it lately, and I'm just wondering if if you know, if there's some sort of increased gang activity, if you could at least relate it to us so when we get questions for the community, we'll know. And then adjust the, you know, PSA to tell everyone to report these on access. Hey, Ward, when I've done it in my neighborhood, it's, you know, it is cleaned up rather quickly. I just wanted to ask you about why why there has been an increase.

Yeah. I mean, I I think there could be a variety of reasons for that in terms of gang activity from a crime perspective. There's no mess there's not necessarily an upswing that, you know, that we can point to. I am familiar with a couple of instances in certain neighborhoods, including, you know, kind of the Upper B Street, King Street area where there have been increases in some graffiti specific to gangs. You know, those things happen for for different reasons.

Sometimes, you know, you have somebody who's trying to gain some street credibility by, you know, engaging in that conduct. Sometimes it could be a precursor to other issues, right, where you have rivals coming into territory, you know, putting their tag on on somebody else's block. Those types of things have happened in the past and have escalated. It is something that we are interested in knowing about, number one, and and we do have a unit that is dedicated to those types of issues. You know, there's a sergeant for investigators that do that work.

So if those things are happening, you can certainly report it on a nonemergency line. You can report it through Access Hayward. I've actually had community members send, you know, text messages with with cell phone pictures attached and and all these possible on the staff. So if you wanna know about it, main services, those folks are awesome. They're Yeah. If it's important in Access Hayward, you know, they're out there covering that stuff up real fast, especially the stuff that's on public property. So yeah.

Yeah. Great. I I found that too too. But what is the best way? What's the quickest way to report it so both you know and maintenance services can help with it? What's the quickest or what what's the best first?

Nonemergency. If you wanna notify the police department, access here for maintenance services. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. And on private property, which is where a lot of these are have been, that's code enforcement. But code enforcement's been very proactive in reaching out to the farm dealers. Technically, data sources doesn't clean that up, but they've been very proactive reaching out to the farm dealers, trying to work with them because they understand it's not they didn't do that or it's not their fault. So they've been trying to kind help them figure out how to get it down quickly if they can they can. So code enforcement's been very proactive, but that's on primary.

And and that's access access to code enforcement. Right? Okay. Thanks.

And then I'll just say for the graffiti, because we had something reported recently, it's really important that beyond the picture, they put the location. Yeah. It says otherwise, we just go around the city, we can't find it. So we have that problem and got escalated. So just make sure we cut the location and the photo and access Hayward. And I recently reported something, and it was taken care of quickly. So thank you so much to your staff and to Sarah and to I mean, director Bowser and everybody else. Thank you.

Seeing no more questions, chief Matthews, thank you very much. And I know this week is law enforcement week. And so please tell all the men in the major police department, congratulations, and have a good week, and always be safe. Thank you very much. Now we have moving on to our fire report.

Alright. Good evening, mayor and council. Thank you. Tonight, in the past, we've reported on some of our trends, the instance we're going on, done response times, maybe a little quick highlight on what's some of the key accomplishments, and then we'll be into kinda diving into why we talk about response times and a little more detail on incident responses that we're seeing, some of the information working back from our early response of our standards of coverage assessment. So first thing, this is tablet command.

That's a project that we were laughing at earlier today. It's something we're working on for the last five years, which allows all the fire agencies in California and actually throughout the state to be able to see each other through one common operating platform. The different CAD vendors and titlers, the one that, we have for our community or dispatch system, is the last one to play nice in the sandbox. So us and Berkeley are the last two in the county to jump on board. So it's pretty soon this summer, we'll have access to this, which will if we have a major incident in the city, we'll be able to see lifetime every resource coming into the city to be able to track where when's that, who's an available resource, where we place them.

When our crews go out on mutual aid assignments and they're signed out and built nowhere, the people that they report to will know exactly where they are at all times. So it's a huge safety for our crews, and operationally, it's a huge game changer for large incidents that we're seeing throughout the state. So we're very excited about that. And I gotta shout out to IT. They've been working with us for the last five years to try and push this across the finish line. It seems simple. It's been unbelievably challenging, so we're very happy to have it. Next slide. And then we just closed out on Tuesday. Every two years, the whole county across this country, they do EOC and emergency management drills at county and city levels.

Our emergency management staff did an excellent job this year and did a whole training layout, long term training build up culminating in this drill on Thursday oh, I'm sorry, Tuesday. They're also working on updating and improving our evacuation notification system. It's just been a really busy operational tempo for that, and the drill went awesome. That's really, really good experience. And next slide.

This is some of the first stuff we're gonna get back. You'll see more of it later this year as we roll out our first it's the first time that they were has done a standard recovery and a community risk assessment. This is one of the more interesting pieces as somebody that, you know, used to be driving around the battalion chief rig, and you see simultaneous calls come in. And then, you know, you have all your resources, and you feel that all the stations are covered, and then all kind of all of sudden, two calls come in, and then your board is empty. And you're feeling the sense of anxiety because the city is not covered until those resources clear.

That's been going up a lot over the last couple of years, and the biggest place that's going up is downtown. Just there's eighteen eighteen thousand calls I'm sorry. 1,800 calls a year in the downtown station, and there's two calls within that district. For context, an average engine company responds about that many calls a year. So that two calls at the same time in one district, it's a lot more than I thought it would have been. Across the city, happens about 12,000 times. And for reference, some of our calls are one unit calls. Some of our calls are six unit calls. So if we have a commercial fire, we're dumping half the city on one call. The biggest impact obviously is downtown, station 1.

And that second biggest impact is Tennyson and Huntwood. You're seeing over a two year period, you know, pretty getting pretty close to 20% increases in that occurrence. The other thing we're looking at is, you know, our time on task. The average call is about a thirty minute time on task. So station one that runs, you know, 15 to 20 calls a day, it's about a third of the day that they're not available.

So we're we really focus on equity of service throughout when we look at anywhere across city as far as downtown, a resident in Fairway Park, or Jackson Triangle, trying to make sure they have access to the same level of services. Station one right now is one that's probably pretty healthy and effective. A little bit less coverage than what we would with. Next slide. So the two things here.

These are both actually from standard cover as well. One is a map of the city, and what we've been seeing over the last couple of years, it's definitely as someone driving throughout the Spanish, 20 calls, it takes longer to get to calls than it used to. And we think all of us drive across the city, way more congestion. There's just more people on the street, and that's something that we know as we look at response times and how important they are. That's a losing battle that we're having right now. We you know, our driver operators, they know every shortcut, you know, what's the least impacted street now, and a lot of those avenues have become more impacted streets. It's just taking longer to get around the city. Yeah. When you compile that with the multiple calls within the district, it's likely that you're not responding to your district. You're responding to someone else's district.

So your your goal of your, you know, five four, five minute response time, you're now looking at eight and ten minute drive time, which we've leaned heavily into everything we can control, the control of controllables, so our dispatcher call processing, our turnout time, try to adjust. You know, we talked a little bit on Thursday adjusting our response matrix. We pulled all those levers at this point. What I would say is the trends, you know, are not fair. Travel time is gonna get worse and Provide medical services can can be a higher challenge.

There's not a lot more leverage we can pull. With that on the left, I think we do we've done a bad job. We're turning everything into numbers, response time, response time, and what's four minutes, what's five minutes mean. This is one example. We have a critical medical call on a patient.

Every one minute of delay of a critical treatment is a ten percent reduction in positive patient outcome. So when we're going to a severe respiratory distress, cardiac event, a critical trauma call, it's significant if we're adding a bit onto that response. Basically, what it you know, guess what I'm trying to say is, you know, there's a few things that are outside our control, which is our time on task is one of them. Our travel time is another. And right now, definitely seen a slowdown in ambulances in the county.

So it's not surprising to me that our per call is about thirty minutes time on task because about half our time is usually waiting for the angles to show up. So we are definitely seeing trends that kinda match what we're seeing in the field. Our companies are just getting busier. With that, I'll take your questions.

Thank you. I'm gonna try to slow down. It's a good reminder. I on on okay. So the downtown district, you said there's a lot I think I've heard a lot of calls now. Like, it's an increased suite of calls. And I know we talked a little bit about Regis is adding to that, but I think he also said that there's some new senior living facilities that are adding to that. And are you going to be tracking what you know, how that breaks down so we can address it either at the senior centers or Regis?

Yeah. I'd so after Tuesday, went back and looked at a little more data. Eight of our top 10 call volume generators are in downtown, and that's you know, that didn't have that that night. But when you look at there already were a lot of senior senior living facilities and skilled nursing facilities in downtown. We added another senior living facility, and then we added backs around the same time. And there is pretty significant uptake. Friends, you know, it's a 5,000 call district a couple years ago, and it's getting close to a

6,000 call district now.

Okay. Because of all of that, like, you're not you you don't understand.

All of that.

And and I think, you know, we're looking at facts, and we're trying to scrub the information. And I have a giant spreadsheet that I still need to mine into a little bit to tell what what Regis was like before and what it is now. Yeah. Just a quick 10,000 foot overview. It's one of the, you know, concerning things I'm looking at is the unit commit time is higher than average for VAX.

Mhmm.

Which is causing us we're gonna go back to the patient care reports. My suspicion is that a lot of those are code two priority four calls. So it's a low acuity call, so when we send it to Alameda County dispatch center for the ambulance to get dispatched, They triage the call, determine that it's not an emergency call, and then they send out an ambulance, but it might take twenty, thirty minutes for the ambulance to get there.

And you have to wait there until the ambulance gets Yeah.

Our paramedics, once we establish care, we're not allowed to abandon we can't abandon patients, so we can't we need until we transfer care to an appropriate provider. K. So we've missed this part of the conversations we've been having with BACS is trying to minimize those nonacute falls. Mhmm. And mainly, and, because what we're thinking about is and we've all been there, and we're all seeing, and there's a acute call in your district. Somebody that needs service, they need the paramedic care,

and they're not available for them.

Yeah. I think that's what I was getting at earlier that, like, they need a triage center on-site. It's a big enough facility. And if they don't have any kind of medical care at all, a nurse's assistant even, or, I mean, let alone a nurse, that's gonna continue to happen. He said they're gonna call 911 for every, you know, even small incident.

And I I know this is partly a state issue because my understanding here is that there's no state regulation that would demand that they have such a facility on-site. And so I really wanna push on this with our, you know, with our legislative partners because that will just continue to be the case. And then we're gonna be planning on accounting for money or the state for money, and this is a problem for everyone if you don't, you know, make them have some amount of on-site triage. Because it sounds like if there were these low calls and somebody was on-site saying what kind of, you know, emergency it really was, we could reduce the 911 calls. They could have a man on-site taking them to a facility to get care if it was nonemergency.

Yeah. I would say over the years that I've been here, we've had it's a AXA's unique facility. And we've had centers, like skilled nursing facilities that will generate calls that are about emergencies. We'll send staff out. We'll have the communication. Hey. You know? And and their staff, because they have LPNs there, will basically triage those calls and and get better at putting them in a BLS ambulance outside of the 911 system to get them to the long term care that they need. The job box right now currently at certain times of day, it doesn't have medical staff. So there is there isn't that on-site triage, and there's not a non nine one one transport option.

And it's so interesting because they is it was an allowable use, which is why they were able to just move in there with this kind of operation, but it's actually they have less facilities than the senior living facility that was there before as far as that kind of trio shows.

Yeah. Currently, it's not fully built out, so there's less people. And I haven't in full disclosure, I haven't fully gone through that spreadsheet yet to fully look at what the volume was in the past. And we're we're still doing that work. I'd love to talk about it more.

Okay. Yeah. Thanks. I mean, I just again, let's keep watching. I mean, does anything around allow to go in there without, you know, any other regulations because it was law abusing, yet it's actually reduced level of care. They're gonna go to the level care then senior center. That's actually gonna jump over into our public safety services.

Yeah. No. We're I just had a conversation this afternoon with our community services staff that's meeting regularly with us and watching this. And I know eventually in September when they're fully occupied, they're gonna have more trained medical staff. But in the meantime, what do we do? And, you know, and making sure, like, I'm yeah. So we're having those conversations

with them. Okay. I know. Just wanna keep harping on that. Yeah. That's good. You know, as far as the it was sort of interesting what you said about the, you know, just the increased traffic. And I think it's interesting because we actually have less population. You know? I mean, since I I remember when I first ran for office, I think it was we were closer to about a 180,000.

We're now closer to, like, 160,000, yet the traffic has increased, and it's becoming a problem, obviously, for first responders. And I I just wonder, you know, what is this and maybe this isn't really a fire question as much as a, you know, just a city question that is this because post COVID people didn't return to a regular so public transit, you know, habit? Or is it because of where we put housing along the main corridor? And I just I I don't know what we can do to look at that, what we do to provide, you know, some relief there, but sounds like it will or is it just that the whole Bay Area is busier, so everyone's coming off of the freeway and trying to hit Mission Boulevard to get up north south. Mean, I just don't know how we can do that because it sounds like it will continue to get worse, and that will be a problem.

Yeah. It's it's hard. I I can't speak to them all. Just I know from driving around the city responding to calls. I think it's a few things. Yeah. There there are more people oh, so we put a lot of residential units on Mission than used to be there. I think we've you know, and I and I gotta be careful about my words here because I'm I'm definitely for pedestrian and bike safety. I've been on those calls. I don't wanna go on those calls, so I understand that. But there are as you slow down traffic in certain areas for us to get to certain areas around the city, it does inhibit that. So there are streets like, you know, going up Folsom where there's a bunch of speed bumps. You're you're gonna avoid that and go a different way. Okay.

Alright. Thank you. Thanks for the report.

Thank you. And thank you, chief. I I just wanted to say thank you to your team for the great emergency management training that you provided to council a couple weeks ago that that was well done. So thank you for for doing that. And then it was good to see Jen in the picture as the incident commander in that exercise. What was the scenario? It

it's interesting because, you know, I think we always resort back to what we have in the city and we always wanna go with earthquake. And I think the the staff that they was kind of excited to do something different. So they did World Cup scenario where mass transit, IEP terrorist attack at the downtown BART Station.

Interesting.

Alright. And then, you know, same kind of questions related to the response time. Like, is there and I'm sure we are doing it, but are there things that we can learn from other cities who deal with, like, high levels of congestion and their response time so we can kind of figure out how we mitigate against that because you're right. I mean and then I feel like how do we coordinate better within the city? Because if we're making, you know, pedestrian safety, you know, changes, but it's adversely impacting our fire department's response time, we kinda need to weigh those decisions.

Right? So I'm just wondering, number one, how we're coordinating around those decisions to make sure that the decisions we're making around whatever kind of safety we're implementing doesn't inadvertently impact other elements of safety in our city, like response time. So just wondering what your thoughts are around that. Yeah. We've we've definitely reached out, and traffic engineering has been great.

We're in early. We actually had a discussion about a project on Tennyson right now. We were we were talking up in our office before this about, k, what are you know, what how do make it safer for one? Obviously, it needs to happen, but how do we make sure there's ways for us to get engine companies through to get to emergencies around our city? So we're trying to work with them, work just early on in projects, excuse me, to to alleviate those issues. I mean, there's stuff, you know, if we put speed bumps in, if there's cutouts for the engine companies to get through, it it's a reasonable, you know, middle ground. It's when they pop up, and we had it recently in the county area where they just threw a bunch in with no cutouts, then suddenly you added a minute to your response because they just put a bunch of them in. Yeah.

Well and I I know that the response times are also impacted by the staffing constraints in the fire department as well. So if we had, you know, kind of, I'm sure those the engine that we currently don't have, if that was up and running, I'm sure these response times would be changed as well. Right?

Yeah. I think that's where we could go into those. And it's difficult for me to explain sometimes, you know, building that redundancy into that when it effectively got a gap downtown where 30% of the or eight hours a day, there's not an engine company downtown. So you fill that gap, and that engine company, know, is you you provide a better level of service for into that area of the city. Yeah. Well, and

then I'm also wondering how we put more pressure on banks. Like, if if the city provides them with, like, funding or grants or things like that, is there a way that we can say, you know, or maybe even partnering with the supervisors? Because I know the county provides significant funding to them to say, you know, we're really not in a position to wait for you guys to, you know, fill this place up. Like, we need you to take action, like, now. I'm just wondering how we can operate with a little bit more urgency around that because I think it's just it sounds like the problem is getting worse and worse.

Yeah. I think well, we do we are in conversations with the county. We've actually pulled all of the performance metrics from the county's contracts and ours, and so we know what those are. So we'll we'll be talking about those with bats in the county to make sure that they're being adhered to. And and I think, you know, given the chiefs, I know it'd be regularly too with bats, we can try we can try to talk more about what the county can do the near term Okay. And bring additional funds. Perfect.

Because

it it would be great, I mean, if if they were able to fund some of the fire department's response that they're utilizing, and that would help us kind of solve some issues within the fire department too.

Yeah. Or at least fund maybe some additional medical on-site medical support so that that way we're having less calls for service. I think that's probably that would be I think that would pay.

Yeah. Yeah. You're totally right. And, you know, I actually when I started my career, I was kind of did a little stint after subway retirement centers around the Bay around Hayward, actually, not the Bay Area. So I worked at St. Regis for a while, and then I worked at Casa San Duvall for a while, and then I went over to work at the Masonic Home. So I did, like, my little tour there. But you're right. They they have medical staff. And the only time you kind of call 911 is if they fall, but most of the time, they have people that can help them even.

You know? So they and that's all a part of the service because they don't wanna keep sending people out to, you know, the hospitals all the time. So to council member Roche's point, I'm sure the calls for service are significantly higher than when St. Regis was there because they had trained Arvans and other people on staff that were able to deal with the patients, you know, to to the extent needed. And then oftentimes when patients did need transport, to your point, we would just call private transport.

We wouldn't even call 911 because we won't have to deal with the bill at the end of that. So just it'll be interesting to see kind of deep orientation between how much fax is driving the increase in calls because they do think the correlation is probably more directly tied to the services they're providing in the population that they're serving that's driving these services. And then to the chief's point, these services aren't just being these calls for service aren't just happening there. They're spilling over all across the city because the residents of Fax are integrated all across their city. So they're crossing streets and doing these other things that are then causing other issues.

So I really do, you know, appreciate the intentionality around working with them to try to figure something out. And then also just going back to the county, is there a way that we could, you know, maybe as an Alameda County Fire Chiefs Association or something, put pressure on the county around their ambulance providers since we're all kinda stuck to using the same one? It seems like their response times are horrible. Yeah. This is a this has been

a challenge that I feel like we were talking about since I was a probationary firefighter. There are talks happening. I think everyone's very interested. I am optimistic. A lot of the the players involved are very interested in a collaborative approach. We're a long way from the solution. I'll say that. But I am optimistic at the, you know, the people in the county, the Alameda County fire chiefs, looking for a better solution.

Yeah. Well, and then you can totally understand how you guys would get stuck in that dichotomy of having to care for that patient until you're actually able to transfer, you know, the duty of care to somebody else. And then to your point, if you're getting a call saying that someone has a very low level of acuity, you know, the ambulance rightfully so shouldn't, you know, just go there when they have somebody laying in the street that's going in cardiac arrest. So I I see how that then puts you guys. You know, it just holds you up because you're there for low acuity issues that can probably otherwise be solved to the city manager's point without you without the fire department's intervention if they just have the appropriate staff to deal with the issues on-site.

Yeah. And and it's probably a really good analogy you said there where Vax doesn't have the, like, an you know, being on-site where we do have the ability in in where there's multiple calls going on on a if there's a code to priority four, which is a low priority call at a skilled nursing facility, we cannot respond to that, leave that patient in care of the LVN, and let the ambulance continue whenever they get there, whether it's, you know, forty minutes because it's not an acute call and leaves us free. Yeah. Versus fax, we don't have that

ability. Super lucky. K. Thank you so much, Sandy, for your great work.

Just a quick follow-up on that. So you you you basically answered my question. But if you go to a senior center and there's a call, there's an LVN there, and you realize it's not an emergency, can you leave that person care at the LVN waiting for the ambulance? Yes. Yep. Okay. Alright. That is a huge difference. And one that's seeing Regis foot of head, so it's not as similar you know, they have a more adverse population, so we really need to get on them. They need just a little nurse's office or something like that. Like, you had it at school. Right? Have the nurse waiting there. Thank you. That that's a really important point. I appreciate it.

And not to keep sort of belabor the point, but, you know, I just wanna remind, you know, everybody that, you know, this the the whole Saint Regis or Regis Village backs this whole enterprise is is is a rather innovative idea. And we're still testing it. We're still sort of, you know, seeing if it works. No other city is doing this. No other agency is doing this, but we're doing it.

And and I I mean, listen. I agree. I mean, think, you know, we're we wanted you know, if there's bumps in the road, we need to get them early and, you know, and tighten them up so that when this place is fully, you know, and and operationalized, we wanna make sure it's successful. But if they're incapable of being successful, then, you know, I I you know, we have been talking to, you know, city attorney's office. We've been talking to other staff to figure out, you know, what levers we have to to take action if they don't.

So, you know but, you know, I I just wanna, you know, just reemphasize that this isn't an an an innovative idea that we're trying to you know, we wanna get right. And and if it you know? And I think because it's such an innovative idea and no one else is doing it, according to Baxter, anywhere in the state, that I think it would behoove the state legislature to step in and fund it. I mean, you know, there there's I mean, you know, I think we're innovation comes at a cost. Right?

And and that's what and that's what we're paying right now. So, anyways, I I I'll leave it there. To go to the to the call response time and, you know, development to just to follow-up. You know, this is this is why, like, the league in California cities, the league values local control because and that's why anytime there's creep on local control, the the league in California cities, the advocates step in, you know, and and advocate for, you know, for less state intervention because, I mean, we are building. We've been building for the last ten or so years.

But, you know, one of the reasons why we are building so much along Mission Boulevard corridor is because there has been state legislation that has been pushing development. I mean, we've been well, I mean, we've been building, but there has also been state legislation that has been requiring us to build. And so this is I think what you're talking about is symptomatic of when there's what do you call it? A creep in local control when, you know and and when cities, you know, when, you know, when we're when we start to see our ability to define our own, you know, policies because of state intervention, we start to see this. Not to blame this totally on the state, but, you know, they're not here, so we can blame them.

Oh, right ahead.

But but, anyways, no. That that that's all I I wanted to talk say about that. So what I'll do is I'll go to public comment. Is there anybody online? No. Is anybody in the room? No. Seeing none. And then council member Roach is gonna make one short comment. I'm just kidding.

I just wanted to add to that. I remember when I was the planning commissioner, we went to the, like, statewide planning commission meeting, and we were being faced with all this housing with reduced parking, and we really couldn't mandate it because the state had said as long as you're within a certain transit corridor, you can all have all the snow parking in some in some cases. And and I remember raising my hand to this panel of experts that were up there talking about it, and I said, well, what do you do about the congestion? And they kinda went, the state's not focused on that problem. And so they were admitting it was like one thing at a time, and they were acknowledging that this is gonna be a huge problem when you build all this housing without enough parking.

And there was no answer to it. I mean, obviously, there still isn't because we're all still dealing dealing with it. And when you take that away from local control, we could not mandate more parking because of the state mandate. So, yeah, it's really tough. It's a really tough one. Thanks.

And and and I I know you guys weren't there last night, but at the Alameda County Bears Conference last night, the speakers were talking about city infrastructure that supports autonomous vehicles. What was their suggestion? Less parking. Less parking. Anyways, is that it? Chief. Yes. End report. Okay. Great. I appreciate it. Thank you. And then moving on to and before I move on and, of course, please tell the men and women of the fire department to be safe out there. That was it. Thank you.

Next, we have our AB481 report, and this goes back to the police chief.

Thank you very much. This is our last presentation of the night. This is an annual report of the 01/8481. It's a whole public meeting where we talk about military equipment. And if I could direct your attention to the slide, this is our purpose tonight. We're gonna provide a brief information on the bill. We're gonna present, you know, our use report from the last year and then discuss future acquisitions. I do wanna let the community know that everything that we're gonna talk about tonight is on our website. We have a dedicated page to 8481 and all the associated equipment the police department has in its possession. So that is a resource that anybody can access at any time.

As far as tonight is concerned, we're not gonna be asking the community to vote on anything, but we are interested in your input and your recommendations as it relates to this. So feel free to provide us that. We are going to the full council for a vote on the ordinance on June 16. That item is agendized. This meeting tonight is a little bit different than other items in that we will ask we will allow community members rather than bring online to ask questions about some of the military equipment we're gonna talk about.

And then we are gonna talk about a new concept that we will be seeking authorization for. I do wanna introduce captain Dannielson and Lieutenant Garrett Wagner. I'm sure you know these folks, but they have done an incredible amount of work, research, background work on this new concept. Drone is a first responder. Mentioned it as a fiscal year goal for the police department workshop that we had on Tuesday, but we're gonna give you an overview of what that looks like tonight.

Next slide, please. This is just a brief background on the bill. I highlighted some sections that are pertinent. This went into effect 01/01/2022, and annually, we have to obtain approval from the applicable governing body, which is you city council. And you have to adopt or by adoption of a written military use policy, be awarded to the public hearing.

So that's what's gonna happen on June 16. But the other caveat in the 8041 is that prior to that, we have to hold a public meeting, and that's the function of tonight. I do wanna I do wanna point out that while this one's a law in 2022, this is not a new concept for the police department. We have engaged the community around our special response unit and this equipment, which has been in our inventory for years and years and years at events, presentations, etcetera. So this is not something that we've ever been reluctant to talk about.

Next slide, please. This slide is a summary of our inventory. I'm not gonna go through. AB four eighty one outlines 16 specific categories that qualifies military equipment under the statute. There's a lot of the categories that, you know, we just don't even have or we're looking to obtain any of that equipment, but these are the ones that we do have in our inventory and the quantities so the public can take a look at that online.

And I I do wanna say that our inventory fluctuates given activity throughout the course of the year. Right? So, depending on training, depending on, activations for a special response unit, the equipment gets damaged, the equipment, reaches service life, and so there, there are things that come up during the course of the year that impact that inventory. Next slide, please. This is a real brief summary of our use of military equipment.

As you can see, not a lot last year. This is, from April 2025 to March 2026. We used the our drone, our UAS, which is acronym for a managerial system, 62 times and 61 separate incidents. And then we used our own personal carrier 14 times. The rest of the equipment in our inventory was not used.

And yeah. Next slide. Associated costs for the acquisition, training, and maintenance of our equip equipment. You can see here in each category, I do wanna highlight item number three, the arm personnel carrier. As you can see, a $360,000 cost associated with that.

For context, we got authorization from the council to get a new armored personnel carrier several years ago under during an 8481 conversation. Like, we have only now, in the last year, actually received it and had to pay for it. It was budgeted four years ago with the help of Todd, director Wolman, and maintenance services. They've been great partners in in getting that piece of equipment, but that's why that that dollar amount is is there in case folks ask. So the total for acquisition, including the armored personnel carriers, 402,000 training, 270,000 in maintenance, a little over 4,000.

Next slide, please. So this is a slide that just talks about the overall fiscal impact. The the lower paragraph there, a total of $677,000 for equipment and training, and that comes out to be about point 66% of our overall police department budget for context. Next slide, please. We're gonna spend a little bit of time talking about our UAS program.

We've had a UAS program here for several years. We have a policy that's in place that was very vetted in detail by both the community and by the city council at the time. That policy remains in place, but what we're looking to do is supplement that program with drone as a first responder concept, and that's what we're gonna talk about tonight. So Captain Olson and Jim Wagner are kind of the technical technical experts in this technology. So if there are questions about it, I'll look to my right, and that's your view.

But kinda what is a DFR for for short? It is a a concept where UAS units are placed strategically throughout this not throughout the city, but what we're talking about, three specific locations in the city that allow for a rapid response to a call for service for both the police department and for the fire department. So when somebody calls 911, if you look at the workflow below there, an incident gets reported to the 911 call center, a UAS is autonomously flown to the scene. In most cases, it will arrive on scene prior to any police department or fire department personnel and be able to relay live information to respond to people so that it increases our situational awareness and our ability to have an informed response. I do wanna point out, this is a very important point, this concept is 100% reactive.

Right? I know that we talk about UAS technology. Surveillance is a is a huge community concern, and I and I completely understand that and we acknowledge that. This is not a surveillance concept. This is a response to a call for service or complaint concept.

So I just wanna make sure that they're and if you look at the right, these are some local agencies that that have a drone as a first responder concept now. So the Alameda County Sheriff's Office, Fremont Police Department, probably the closest, but we are seeing positive use cases in San Francisco, Livermore, and some other places here in Northern California, San Francisco Bay Area. Next slide, please. So this concept, there's undeniable safety and efficiency benefits. It provides real time situational awareness so we can actually scale responses to emergencies and calls for service in real time based on firsthand observations, real time threat assessments, and interdepartmental coordination.

You know, there's there's a you know, a lot of cases, you know, if we have a significant vehicle collision, you know, it's it's gonna be both a police department and a fire department response. And so this is a resource that we can both use to make a determination about who and how many and and things like that. It it enhances operational efficiency. So when we talk about response time, we just had a pretty robust conversation about traffic and how to get places in the city. This cuts down response time immensely.

Technically, Ron's seen in minutes well before physical staff arrive, which is huge because, you know, going back to my time on the street, you know, you get on one call gets relayed to the staff in the field through a dispatcher. There's a lot of information that you don't have, and you show them on scene and have to, you know, have to respond. So it supports de escalation strategies. So one of the things that this technology allows us to do is to be thoughtful about how we approach an issue. We can assess situations and coordinate responses from a safe distance without direct confrontation.

It enhances safety for police and fire and, staff and and community. It allows critical safety information to be relayed to police officers and firefighters as they are responding, which will improve safety outcomes and save lives. And there's some examples of that underneath there for both the fire and police department. This is a technology that contributes to offender apprehension and case solvability. Improved response times allow for the increased likelihood of offender apprehension and case solvability during or in the aftermath of in progress crimes.

Next slide, please. So we did collect some data. We did a trial program in partnership with Axon and Skydio, who are companies. I should mention that Skydio was actually they're in part of Hayward based. They're manufacturing facilities here in the city.

It was a four week trial, and we were remotely launching UAS units from the top city hall, and they were flown remotely to live and citizens. They were reported to 911 call center. They provided the technology and support through this trial program at no cost. So shout out to those companies for that. In terms of distance, we were pretty much limited to about a two mile radius around City Hall, so we did not have full city coverage.

And the preliminary data that we collected does support the argument for operational efficiency. So our DFR teams worked a total of two hundred and fifteen hours over twenty two days. They responded to 326 calls for service and visually cleared a 108 call calls for service without having to physically send the police officer to the scene. So when we talk about being efficient, we talk about making sure that we have staff available to respond to emergencies. When we talk about, you know, financial constraints and staffing challenges, this is a game changer.

It allows us to not only maintain our ability to respond to things, but in in many cases, improve it. And then we provided operational information or support to police and officers and firefighters on a 148 of these calls for service. And 53 of the calls for service, the the UAS arrived on scene first. We think that with, you know, full program implementation, that percentage is gonna go way up. Again, we were limited with this.

And it reduced our response times by an average of two minutes and thirty seconds when the UAS was available. So that, again, an illustration of efficiency measures and our ability to start collecting pertinent information much quicker. So we are going to show you an example. We wanna highlight a couple of things before we show you this video. We wanna give a shout out to, you know, Chuck Fittany and communications team and officer Jessica Van Vuelos who helped put this together.

One thing I wanna point out, part of the video shows the UAS unit as it's in flight. One of the concerns that gets expressed because we did a lot of community engagement work before we stood up our drone program is, well, as the drone is flying, you know, you're you're you're surveilling all these, you know, homes and businesses and things as the drone is in flight. The way that these units work is that the camera orientation is on the horizon until it is over the address of call for service, and then the operator in the station orients the camera down. So that you'll be able to see as we show you this video. There are two calls for service that are highlighted here.

One is a report of a man of the gun, which you'll see is right by the stack center. Four individuals sitting around a table. There's an individual in red. He actually sees the drone, reaches into his waistband, points a gun at the drone unit, has a drone unit over this call for service. And the drone operator in the station was able to maintain visual of this individual and direct officers in, and they were able to safely contain this person to recover the firearm.

And then the other one was an assault case. The the offender in that particular case left the scene. We got a 911 call. The UAS found her and watched as she flagged down and got onto an AC transit bus and was able to direct our officers in to do a traffic stop on the bus. And she was detained. And I'm gonna tell you that no way that would have happened without this technology. So this is at about a minute and a half video that we wanna go ahead and show you. I think

two minute.

Nothing I have do about that. I got off the plane. You did. It opened the whole time. It should have loaded.

Oh, no.

Are we going forward a little? Let's move it forward a little. I just pull it for you. Let's see. So

that's the.

Right. So an example of what we're talking about and, you know, the the full context of what we're proposing as a use for this concept. Next slide, please. So for this concept, in terms of structure, oversight, and policy, we talked about a proposed team. We're proposing to use two community service officers. We won't think that, you know, the person at the monitor relaying live information needs to necessarily be a police officer. Right? And then having them work during the week where data shows RP call volumes. Right? So to be data informed when we have this program active.

These are CSOs that, you know, we're hoping to repurpose from the jail. We talked about the restructuring the other night. They will go serve undergo certified training in UAS operations, police and fire operations, and UAS laws and policies, and they'll be supervised by an HP sergeant lieutenant and the captain that's sitting next to me. Oversight and policy, and I do wanna highlight this because I know, again, going back to the UAS policy, we are not we are not proposing any significant changes to the policy. The policy has been very strictly vetted.

It was both community and council informed when it was adopted. And so we wanna make that clear to everybody that we recognize that privacy is an incredible concern. We wanna make sure that we're mindful of that. But we are talking about supplementing the existing program and how you fall under our existing policy. The only update to the policy is a minor language change that allows for a UAS under this concept to be flown to any incident that would require a police officer or a firefighter to respond.

Again, this is a 100% reactive concept. Council will receive annual updates under this, a b 41, and be able to approve or disapprove UAS usage annually. One of the things that we told the council when we were standing up the original UAS program was if we misuse it, take away from this. Right? And that's still the case, and that would be the case with this concept as well.

The US program still falls under Federal Aviation Administration oversight. We would continue to report to the public our UAS usage on our website. That's a current practice that will continue with this concept. Again, in addition to the eighty four eighty one specific page on our website, we also have a UAS program specific page on our website, and this would add to that. So the community can go in there and look at an entire log of UAS usage.

So date, time, location, and purpose, all of that's published on our website for public consumption. Our policy six eleven, which governs our UAS program, has a section that outlines prohibited use. That's unchanged. We are not we are not changing that whatsoever, and that includes the prohibition of random surveillance, right, which I know has been a a concern, especially with regards to to privacy. Next slide, please.

Estimated budget impact. So the estimated cost of a DFR concept is about 500 what we estimate to be about 589,000 annually. That includes eight units, the software subscriptions, licensing, accessory batteries, charging stations, etcetera. That's all of it. The two CSO positions are already funded, and I wanna highlight at the end of that, the second bullet, we are not asking for any general funding increases for this concept.

We are working diligently, right, by we, I mean, captain Olsen, to look at multiple funding sources that include asset forfeiture money, grant funding, and and current supplies and services budget to be able to, no pun intended, do this off the ground. This is a program that can be phased over time, and, again, it is it is contingent on our ability to fund it without increasing the general fund. Operationally, it's gonna be cost effective over time. It's gonna reduce our time on task for staff. It's gonna reduce staffing and resource needs for larger scale operations.

For example, search and rescue, you know, kinda down on the waterfront up in the hill. This can cover far more ground and allow us to use human resources for other things in operation of that type. And it is the functional equivalent of having a helicopter. That's not new to public safety work. Those are in use all the time. They are incredibly expensive. This is a much cheaper cheaper option for us. And the last slide. So for projected acquisitions, we typically classify our military equipment into two categories, consumables and non consumables. A consumable is something that you use at one time, you have to replace it.

So these are examples, ammunition, different engineering devices, chemical agents, specialty munitions. We are going to replace those in line with current department replenishment schedules. And there is something once there. An example I can provide is ammunition. There's we're in competition with every other law enforcement agency in the state across the nation, going to the same vendors for those types of things.

So if you don't order in bulk ahead of time, you know, you're you're gonna you're gonna miss out. In terms of the nonconsumables that we are asking for authorization to purchase next year is the The U the concept, eight UASs under that concept up to 589,000, and then a little over $8,000 for our energetic breaching program, which is a SWAT team specific program. We received authorization for that last year, and that is the conclusion of our report, and so we wanna open it up for any questions or or comments.

Thank you. Before I I'm gonna start with public comment first. But what I what I wanted to ask, just sort of clarifying your question actually about the language of a b four eight one. I know in past presentations over the years, we there has been discussion around, you know, the language that is used to describe the the tools that we have and, you know, primarily the the the term military equipment. I was just curious, can you sort of clarify that?

And, you know, is, you know, does the language in the in the 8481, you know, is is the language used to describe the tools that we have? Is it sort of, you know, overhead oh, you know, sort of heavy handed, you know, sort of overemphasized on on the term military? And and and, I mean, is there, you know, is there a mismatch in the term that the state legislation uses and the term that say local law enforcement agencies use?

I you know, to be honest, the military equipment term itself comes from the bill. We never refer to any of this equipment as military equipment prior to the bill being enacted. So, you know, we're we're talking about the same equipment that we've had here for well over twenty years, and, you know, the bill is kind of led to every law enforcement agency in California now using that term.

Good. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So before I go to council, I wanna ask, is there any public comment online? Is there any public comment here in the room? Yes.

I'm joining the mic. Okay. I'm Theresa Resenzis. I'm speaking on behalf of Hayward Concerned Citizens. We are in support of DFR and the replacement and technical upgrade need needs for these drones.

If drones can be the eyes and ears of an officer, which one third of drone uses don't require an officer. We believe the effective safety provides and far and far overrides any loss of privacy due to drone surveillance. I believe that funds for vacant police positions would fund the DFR concept. We are also this was not mentioned tonight, but we're in favor of locked cameras, especially to track license plates. We are not in favor of cameras with facial recognition capabilities. Finally, we do support and are in favor of any pitching equipment needed by the. Thank you.

Thank you. Hi.

I'm Suzanne with Hayward Concerned Citizens, and I just wanna say

that

we fully support our Hayward Police Department and its officers and also support the uses of drones and any of the equipment that our officers and police department needs. As chief Matthew said, these drones are game changers. And with 27 sworn officers down, I think they are essential. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. Moving back up to council.

Sure. Okay. Thank you. So first, just wanna ask. So besides the DFR, there's nothing new in the inventory. Is that right? It's a new I mean, replacement equipment, but not no other new equipment. No.

The only new equipment is related to the energetic breaching. The Bearcat that we got, the RRT Yeah. That was the addition, and then we

That was just a that was a replacement for the other one. Right? Okay. Mhmm.

And then same thing with rifles. We replaced some rifles that exceeded their life expectancy, so we rotated those out and replaced them with.

Okay. And then on the breaching equipment, I remember when we talked about that before, but did have you actually purchased that equipment?

So we intended to purchase purchase that equipment last year. We did not, And so we're reporting that we're purchasing it again this year. We did send people to training to be able to, you know, obviously learn and certify in energetic breaching, but the equipment to be able to do that. There was a delay in some other things that happened regarding this one bringing out board, so we're gonna do that this year.

Alright. Was that remain in the budget? Is that right for this?

Okay. No. No. No. No. No.

Okay. And then with the DFR, I did I had to go tour it with captain Olsen, and I think it's definitely I mean, you know, it's incredible technology, you know, that allows us to respond quickly for all the reasons we just saw. So I I definitely see why this is something that we would wanna invest in. And I just have some questions about it. You know, first of all, on the money front, because it sounds like you're trying to work to try to find alternative funding so it doesn't, you know, affect the general fund. And I I my only concern there is if we say get funding to, you know, bring in all the jobs we want and then the first year of operation. Because is it an annual fee that we then pay, like, a scribe subscription for the service?

So the package thank you.

So the package we've been working on, what we basically did was we worked our budget backwards. The lifespan of these DFR drones and the docks that we are talking about purchasing have about a five year lifespan. So we looked forward into our budget five years' worth. We took some grant funding that we knew we had available. We took some congressional funding that we were awarded, and now we also took some CIP money that was already outlaid.

And then we took some contingency money that was already built into some of our current technology CIP budgets. And we basically took the overall amount, and then we kind of asked some vendors what can we get for that. Mhmm. And so the $5.89 is an average. There might be some years that might be a little bit higher because we would be using some congressional funding that is earmarked for very specific reasons. And then there's some years where it might be a little bit less. But for that $5.89, we feel very comfortable that we would be able to get at least six DFR drones, two patrol led drones for a five year span.

From five year span. And that would include the service that I mean, like I said, isn't it sort of we pay into an annual sort of okay.

That's an all in cost, ma'am. Yes.

Okay. Because, yeah, I mean, that you know, we've done done this before when we started pilot project, so we fund the first year, and then grant funding runs out, and then we're dumping into the general fund. I think we're all trying to weigh that now. Right? Right? So so you're saying that amount would fund a five year program?

Yes, ma'am. This amount would fund all five years, zero impact to the general fund.

Okay. And is that guaranteed grant funding that you have in place with before you come forth?

The only one I included in my budget was already guaranteed funding.

Okay. Great. But, I mean, that's great because my my concern is just anything that might possibly end up with general fund, and we would have to have a bigger about what that looks like going forward, especially what we did at the park. Yeah.

That's our intention is to to try to get this in place without without having to do that. Okay.

Yeah. And can I just say, I mean, I think that you mentioned this, but let's say, unexpectedly, before we enter the contract, we lose some of that funding or we can't use it, then we'll we can't scale the program down to phase it? So we could do four drones, as I understand, instead of the six. We're trying to do the six because we knew that has the most coverage, and we think we can afford that, but we can't scale it too. Okay.

And we are gonna have to have this you know, we are gonna we're gonna have the same conversation annually under $80.41. So

Okay. That's true. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, and also, I mean, maybe in the out years we find out that it's actually a cost neutral rate because we weren't able to, you know, hire officers for recruitment or whatever. And this is actually, you know, saving us money, but we'll look at that in the future. But I'm I'm glad for now. Obviously, we don't wanna take out anything new that's gonna burn us further that will affect staffing anyway. And then I just had some questions about it. So you said it's a yeah. It's reactive only. Does that mean it only goes out on 911 call?

Yeah. 911 call complaint a call for service, basically. So it is a community generated response, something that we would normally either send a police officer or a firefighter to. And this is supplemental to to that. Right? Like, if it's something that's going on, I use the card blue and donuts. Yeah. I think we have some of those. Right? That's normally a call that you would send a police officer to at least one, sometimes two. Right? This technology allows us to fly over the reported area and take a look. And underneath cases, we were able to clear calls and not have to send anybody. So, yes, it it's 100% generated by community planner.

So so are there any calls?

There there are other applications for it too. There's other department applications for it. You know, it it is you know, it could even be a resource for things like abandoned vehicles. So many reports of abandoned vehicle. We don't have, you know, staff in the field to be able to go out and look and confirm whether it's there, you know, put a notice on it, tag it, tow it, whatever. You know, this can actually help us clear that board again without sending stuff.

And would that have been a report that would have gone to say non emergency, like, abandoned vehicle, so you're so it is still being granted to a report that came in. Right? And then would it ever be the case that I'd say, you know, I don't know. So was that just investigating some suspicious activity? And then while they're thinking, oh, that house next door, life's suspicious, could they call the drone out for that reason?

Not just based on that. Okay. There there can be things that officers observe in the field that generate activity. Right? And they can request I mean, we can do that now.

Right.

If an officer sees something going on and they are going to investigate, you know, there's reasonable suspicion, probable cause, all those things are present. You know, there's drone units that are in the field that require both a a pilot and, excuse me, an observer. So two people to operate. You know, we have that capability now. Okay. This is this is a separate concept. It's related, but it's it's separate.

Okay. And then on the Horizon, you know, situation that it's not it's only looking at Horizon as it goes out to an incident. I mean, is is that an absolute is that in the software that it won't look down, or can you manually have a look down if you're, say, from the police station there, you're trying to check you know, just wondering if you can manually override that.

My understanding, man, is when when the address is put into the system and the drone is autonomous and launched and it's heading to its location, it's using accident avoidance technology. That's why lieutenant Wagner was able to get something called beyond the visual line of sight clearance from the FAA is because these drones have the technology to be able to sense when a tree, a home, power lines, anything that would be in the way. And so if part of that is that camera that is facing outward, that is sensing visual that you know? And so while it's in autonomous flight heading out to its location, you cannot manually drop it down to make or see in people's backyard, front yard, or etcetera.

Okay. Yeah. Because, I mean, I think to the point of the presentation, these are the questions I think people don't worry about privacy. And and to that same end, what about the data storage for this screen? How long will will we be storing the video that it takes as it's flying?

So because the one we we tested was an Axon product, it just fell right in line with our current data management solutions. Mhmm. And so it basically lands on the category of kind of call for service we went to. If it wound up being the kind of calls, the 108 that we were able to clear without an officer needed to go, I think that's a ninety day retention. We hold on to that, and then it's purged from the system. If we send it out on anything that would be a major felony, there's criminal charges gonna be pending coming from it. We have the ability to keep that for years to come because we might need it for because

it's Oh, okay.

So same with anything tied to civil litigation. Right? There there are ways now. It's the same same company, same way that we categorize and and store our body worn camera

Okay. Video now. And then on the facial recognition comment, is that does it have the ability to do facial recognition?

Absolutely. Not many.

Okay. No. And if I could highlight six one one point eight of our UAS policy, which is also online for anybody to take a look at at any time. There are one two seven specific categories that fall under prohibited use. And category up, the UAS shall not have facial recognition technology. That was a a point that was included in our policy that was community led based on some of the events that we did. Okay.

And the last one is events and protests. Would would you be able to use this to just sort of practically go out and and watch and have our people doing events and protests?

So subsection g Thank

you. Obviously,

I need to read that policy.

We we we don't use this technology even now with our current units to routinely just monitor mass gatherings. Right? There has to be some safety concern or security concern or actual criminal activity occurring, right, if somebody's damaging property that we would for the purpose of trying to apprehend. But as you know, I mean, we have, you know, multiple demonstrations on Mission Boulevard across from Library Park. You know, we got, you know, marches with the students that we talked about, previous item.

You know, those those went off as without a hitch is what people are, you know, supposed to you know, they they have that person never write or or here to support that. No no drones used in any of those incidents. And so that's kind of our position on. There has to be a little bit more information suggesting that there's a

Thanks. I mean, beyond that, because I got that right to learn, I got to understand, you know, even when it's not out, you can go out and clear the log of the vehicles or other things that, you know, suspicious, you know, calls that had come in. I absolutely see the benefit in this technology. And I'm wondering on the other jurisdictions that you you mentioned, are they all active with their programs now, or are those all pilot projects still?

You know, I think the agencies that we listed in PowerPoint, you know, their their batch or their patch on one slide, those are all operational programs, so fully implemented programs. Okay. Yeah.

Mean, when you're talking about, you know, solving things with the numbers that you're talking for, I mean, that's obviously an amazing response to, you know, keep officers safe, to be able to clear somebody's calls without sending a vehicle out. So I see I see benefit for sure. So thank you. And

before I call on councilmember Bonilla, I just wanted to add I'm just gonna make one comment regarding this presentation. I'm gonna make my I'm gonna let my comments stand, the comments that I made state of the city when it comes to technology and and and public safety. So if you wanna know what my comments are, look at the go back and visit the state of the city, and I'll take a look at that. So, anyways,

council member Mundy. Thank you. Thank you, mayor, and thank you for this presentation. So I was happy to hear that this technology isn't supported by flock. Right? Because I know that there's been a lot of sort of controversy over them. And then so who so so I read the policy, but who has access to this data?

So we have our system set up now to where access is limited based on the need to know, the right to know, and rank structure. So basic officers out in the field have access to their body worn camera footage that they might need to review for a report when they're doing an investigation. Detectives have a little bit of a higher level. They can see other officers because they might need to see a greater understanding of a full incident. And then supervisors, managers, and above have the access to be able to see all the video footage that they wanna see.

The nice thing that our data management system currently has is their audit tracking ability is beyond anything I've ever seen. It logs every time you log in to see absolutely any single video, how long you watched it, how many times you watched it. There is no there is no watching something and not being known.

Got it. So could people outside of the Hayward Police Department watch it for an example? Like, can the federal government access this database and review this information? Absolutely not, sir. No? Okay. That's that's good. So and I was kind of I I really wanted to make sure that that was the case too. So when we so I we we heard how long it was stored. So can somebody subpoena this data? Like, if the federal government wanted to, can they say, can we want access to this data to see if there were any, like, for ICE purposes or other purposes? Or how does their sanctuary kind of city policy overlay with how this could be subpoenaed or otherwise used for purposes. Sure.

So s b 54 and some other state legislation completely prohibits us from cooperating with ICE and providing information specific to immigration, and that would include anything that we collect with this concept. There are instances where, you know, like, for ALPR data or any other data that we collect and have in our system. If a if a law enforcement agency with a legitimate law enforcement need and the need and right to know contacts us and asks us for it based on a criminal investigation, that's typically provided. Know? You know, the we do have a need to still collaborate in federal government.

Case in point was one that was shared with council where we were able to help Kauai PD recover a human trafficking victim, a 17 year old autistic girl last weekend, all in partnership with both the Hawaii and the San Francisco field offices of the FBI. Right? So there there is a need in criminal cases to share information at times. But for the purpose of immigration, this all of it falls under s b 54, all the associated state statutes that prohibit us from doing

that with ICE. Perfect. And I think that the main concern is around immigration. So these these other examples you gave are great examples of how we collaborate to solve things and how technology could enable that. And then I also note by the policy, but just to confirm for the public, these drones won't have any kind of weapons on them or anything. They're just gonna be surveillance. Surveillance.

Right? Right? Correct. They that is subsection e of the prohibited use will not be weaponized. I'll I'll just read it all. It can be used to conduct personal business. It can't be used to harass, intimidate, discriminate against any individual or group. It cannot be used to conduct random surveillance activities, and it cannot be used to target a person based on actual or perceived characteristics that fit with painkiller protected category. So all of that is very explicitly spelled out in our policy.

Okay. Can can they breach a house and go into somebody's house? No. They don't have the capability. Okay. So if there's, like, you know, somebody, like, a domestic violence issue that you guys are going to, it's not like you would send this through somebody's front door to go and see what's going on?

Not not this concept. No. We do have units that have the capability of going inside and clearing a building that that exists in the police department now. They're smaller units and but we still have to have legal authority to go in the house. Right? You either have to have consent, exigent circumstances, a search warrant signed by a judge. And this program wouldn't change any

of those. These these are exterior only drones. They don't have the capability to breach. They don't have the capability to go inside a building. Perfect. Thank you. And then I was gonna ask about what are an example of the 108 calls that these things have cleared autonomously, but I think we got the examples of an example, like abandoned vehicles. They can go out and then, like, write a ticket or something. Right?

Yes, sir. I mean, everything from the cars doing donuts that the chief mentioned, speeding vehicles, reported calls of possible DUI, drunk drivers, calls for service that really do need eyes on. But more often than not, by the time physical officers get to a location, that person's gone, and the and the issue is no longer there. So there was a 108 times we were able to send that drone out in advance. As the crow flies, it got there a lot faster than any officer would ever get there in terms of fighting traffic, and we were able

to determine that there was a need to continue an officer going. Oh, okay. I see what you mean. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. And then as it relates to the cost of this, I appreciate you guys being so creative in finding all of these different ways of funding this. But just to be clear, we're not funding this with salary savings because we got out of that business. Right? We are reassigning two current people to run this program and their CSOs.

And so we're repurposing staff. And the remainder of the funding that's needed to, know, to purchase this stuff is where we're being very creative in coming up with these partnerships and looking at, you know, contingency of perhaps other things, but it's definitely not salary savings. So I think we got out in the business of repurposing salary savings for ongoing program use. Right?

Your understanding is correct. Okay.

Then thank you so much. And then that's it. Thank you so much. Appreciate this. And I also support this program. I think it's gonna be a great addition to helping improve the safety of our community. When you think about, you know, the the priorities of our community, public safety is always coming up to the top. And then when you look at the financial constraint that we're under, this is a really creative solution that I think works within the context of all of that. So thank you guys so much. Really looking forward to seeing the results

of this. Thank you. Council member Rogue.

Thanks for that. The same reason I will you also be collaborating with fire on this? Because I can imagine if somebody reports a small brush fire, you send a drone out, you're able to clear it because it's out or someone else went on and cleared it. Will will you be working together in that front too?

Yes. We will. I'll let I'll let chief Henry talk about some of the application because I do think in the pilot, we assisted fire on on some calls for service team.

Yeah. I'm actually extremely excited. There's been multiple calls that I had as incident commander where I came back to the station and I saw drone footage that

I would have loved to

have on scene for firefighter safety where there's building collapse potential. California was an outstanding example where had a explosion fire on scene as a report of hydrogen tanks. We ended up sheltering in place half mile out. The drone would have been able to easily see where the fire was, see where the in in the end, hindsight is twenty twenty, but it took us about an

hour to figure out sort of

what that problem was. Also, for our hazardous material responses to be able to get good eyes on something without putting people in harm's way, and then a million other things. Even we get calls for cars doing donuts because it creates smoke, and they can get it as a smoke report. So you're clearing not only their officers, but also clearing our engine company. It's it's definitely a lot of uses that would that would carry over. And and we, at one point, were looking into doing a drone program ourself. We sent a group of us, myself included over to go and find it. We realized this where we have these applications, our people are pretty much all hands on deck. Mhmm. And they were calls and we on their patrol officers, we're able

to put drugs out today, and we're able to do so.

So it's I think it's a great collaboration project. I'm extremely excited for my firefighters and their safety.

Great. Thank you. One last question.

One last question. Can you speak to the community from these rooms? Like, can you like, or is it just surveillance only? Lieutenant Wagner, correct

me if I'm wrong. I think the drones have the availability to broadcast a prerecorded message. But at this time, there is no ability for live interaction.

Got it. Because I was just thinking about council member Roche and her point and then, like, you know, wildfire evacuation or anytime, you know, we need to kinda get something out to the community in terms of the emergency response, how that can be, you know, maybe. I don't know if that would be used in that case, but it could be used as a way of saying, you know, the other public broadcast mechanism for a particular community if we need it to, like, evacuate or do something. So

the the ones that we're talking about purchasing under this concept prerecorded. The ones that we actually have in our inventory now, you can. So as an example, you have somebody flee into a neighborhood. You're doing your yard to yard searches. You put a drone up. There's a heat signature. You can reposition resources, and then you can use it, like, going back to the de escalation piece. And we see Yep. Like, if you're not going anywhere, do us a favor, stand up, put your hands up, call on out. And, you know, it's so we do have that capability with the units that we have in inventory now.

I would add one thing to that. As far as helping with evacuation, I do think it would be helpful. We had a significant wildfire event. I think the the challenge we had when we were looking at our own concept was recognizing that if we have a significant event, none of our personnel are available to to put up the drone and see the picture, but it would be valuable to have that. I mean, it would coincide nicely with our zoning or Genesis Evacuation System and AC alert or somebody, myself, who is an on call operator that can see the picture of the drone, recognize the neighborhoods in the polygons that we wanna evacuate and grab the message and send it. We can speed up that operation quite a bit.

Thank you.

Know, I I will make this comment. First of I just wanted to thank both council member and council member for their questions. I think you guys covered a lot of ground and and covered a lot of concerns that that the community has. I mean, we hear them, and we see them on you know, we see them expressed in other council meetings. I've watched other council meetings.

I think I've I've adopted your your behavior your your activity of watching other council members or watching other council meetings. And so I I think the questions that both of you have asked, I have seen other councils grapple with and other councils deal with with their public, public safety departments. But I, but I just wanna just highlight, the incident that you just showed us, at the stack. It was a guy that had done, And, we know what officer we know when critical incidences look like because we've seen them. Right?

And and in this case, before an officer got there, I'm sure they knew that there was a gun. Right? So it, you know, it it eliminates the, well, I don't know the correct terminology, but it, it prepares the officer or officers when they get there, and so they're able to know what to expect. And and so so there's that. And I think part of it is because it I I think part of that also involves officer safety.

And so I just you know, this technology, while it does enable us to respond to calls, identify what's going on in at the scene before an officer gets there, but I think it also, you know, reinforces both officer safety and even even the safety of the of of the the in this case, the gunman, the guy with the gun. And, and so I think it'll be really interesting to see if there is a correlation between this technology and, you know, officer involved shootings or other incidences that we've seen, you know, that that we that we've seen in the past. I don't know if there will be, but it'll be interesting if we can track that.

Yeah. And that's a great point. I think, you know, when we talk about outcomes, right, and, you know, we all have the same thing. We all wanna be able to respond, safe and detained, not have to use force. Everybody walks away in the condition that they showed up in. And, you know, that's that's never gonna change. And I think, you know, going back to the example that you talked about. Right? Absent that drone, and the position was seeing what it saw, you would have had a person with a gun. Who knows it? At stack center. At the stack center. Who knows what the description would have been that the person who called provided. You got three other people sitting around that individual. You got somebody who's walking back and forth behind that individual.

The officers wouldn't have known exactly where they were. You know, you just this type of technology, you know, at the end of the day, bad things can still happen. Right? And and we have to acknowledge that. But these are the types of technologies that greatly improve the chances of the outcomes that we all want. And, you know, I can't stress that enough, but I think that's really the driving force behind why we're asking for this.

And then one last point. At night, you know, do these devices have camera have lights where they're flying over?

Yes. So there's several options you can actually attach to the side. One of them is a light that beams down. It's fairly strong. And then what was your other question? Oh, thermal imaging. It it has thermal imaging for for nighttime calls as well. Yeah. Great. Okay.

I just wanted there was something I'll take one of the slides that was in the bottom, but just to be clear that we are gonna be asking the full council for authorization to move forward with this program. And it sounds like there's you know? Yeah.

Should we do we need a vote, or we just give you an just pass this up to move this up to council?

Yeah. I think we'll just say the staff report that the committee recommended forward this and authorizing it. Yeah.

Perfect. Okay. If there are no other questions, thank you very much. Thank you for your good presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Next item is proposed agenda planning calendar. And there it is.

So we need some discussion in meeting frequency going forward. We weren't able normally, this has a list of meeting dates and which topics will be on each meeting. So if we didn't have new dates, we just listed out all the potential topics. We have to figure out the date tonight, but if we can figure that out within the next couple weeks so we can set up a a new calendar.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think

want to if want to

review the topics and see if there's anything that you wanna highlight for the next meeting, Anything you wanna add?

So so if we were to do quarterly, see, so May, June, July, August responded with your availability.

Yes. The next meeting will be if if it's all agreed by everyone would be the fourth Monday in August.

Fourth Monday in August.

It might yeah. Chris said you are. Oh, okay. Council member Rosha. Was just amazing.

The fourth? And then the fourth Monday?

Yes. So we will recommending fourth Monday in August, the first Monday in November, the fourth Monday in February, and the first Monday in May.

K. I'll go back. Okay. Actually do. I recommend sending that.

That's that's two days before my birthday, so I might I might be at no. K. I'm I'll be We'll respond

to the library commissioners. It's the second Monday. Correct?

It was well, no. Because we did the same thing where when we decided to change our frequency, everyone came. So I'll have to look and see if that's still that'd Yeah. Think did be right. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. So

should we look at should we look at to see what we wanna hear in August?

Yes, please.

Let's see. We'll I'm looking at the police technology just given the conversation today. Will we will there be data that we can look at regarding the drone technology in August?

Even if we get full authorization by council in June, we would have to wait till July and actually start the RFP process and actually start purchasing. I don't think we'd have anything for you.

Okay. That's fine. Got it. Okay. You know? Cost

recovery for EMS. So

Yeah. The bottom.

Yep. And then public safety over time management.

The cost is related to

the last meeting, but you asked that there could be collaboration between the airport and the fire department for cost recovery.

Oh, we're not for it

yet then. We're not ready for it?

I'm I'm not. No. We could

No worries.

Okay. That's cool. That's cool.

We're just consulting a little bit. I do think we've had now we will have had a whole since January, you know, more than six months on some of the overtime management on both departments, and they're making huge strides and have saved us a ton of money.

Was just wondering if that's gonna that.

Yeah. Let's bump that up.

Let's let's start the year with the good news.

And then do you wanna hear about gangs?

I do. I was gonna say I'd like to know about gang activity unless there's some reason we need to do, like, some of the other ones. I'm sorry. Department assessment. Are you gonna have report ready by then? Is that what that's all I'm

I'm not a 100% sure we'll get

them by then.

Unless oh, goddamn. Gang activity.

Sometimes just do the let's so gang activity and and overtime. Overtime.

We'll do

that in August.

And then I would I I don't wanna say update on the updated police building design, but will we have anything ready by then?

We gave an update to the council infrastructure committee and were a couple months ago, and then we're looking to try to get some direction from that committee on our approach on a preferred site next in the end of June. And and we just had a meeting today where we're thinking of coming to council, the full council, either in August or September. Okay. So I get an update on that. Because we do have some decisions we'd like to try to make in term try and move that project forward. So I think you're gonna get that at the full council. Okay. So we can move that down.

So let's just focus on

two plus with the normal reports. Yeah. Anyway. Right? And we're gonna continue with the Regis updates on each one of your reports as well. Right? Yeah.

Perfect.

Okay. Got that. Fourth Monday of August.

Is it preferred that we leave a running list in the new priority prioritize this next meeting?

Yes. That could be good.

Or they can do it because what what the staff do?

Because they know when things are gonna be available or not. Right? We're just shooting in the dark.

I think it'd be I think it'd be better if we try to propose

Me too.

Some topics. And even if it may change, if you guys are okay with that, but then we might kinda we know what's coming up, and

we might wanna talk to Okay. Sounds good. Okay. Okay. Next item.

That's it.

That's it. The.

I was I was just looking for slides instead of. Oh, there we go. That's that's the end right there. And so Thank you. Time.

Oh,

council reports and announcements. Yeah. Any council reports or announcements? No? Do you have any? I you know, I was going to I was gonna well, I have been thinking. No. No. I don't. Okay. And there are no other business being injured. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.