City Council - Regular Meeting

TONIGHT'S MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 14TH. IT'S GOOD TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY AND TO PARTICIPATE. SO WE'LL START OFF WITH A ROLL CALL.

BROOSTER.

HERE.

WOLTERS. HERE. MIRROR.

HERE.

DEWART. HERE. CLOVER. HERE. PARTNER. HERE. MYERS. HERE. THOMPSON.

HERE.

NEXT, WE'LL HAVE THE INVOCATION BY JOHN MEADOWS FROM CHRISTIAN CHAPEL FOUR SQUARE.

Heavenly Father, we thank you for sending your Son into this world and open up the way of salvation and that we can be in your presence. I ask that your Spirit be with each and every one here, all those who are going to speak and all those who are going to make decisions. And Lord, we pray that Hazel will be the city that you want it to be. I pray this in Jesus' name. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands,

So we have a special order of business next, which is item A, police department promotions to MPO.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. We have two police officers to be promoted this evening. Master police officer rank is positioned between police officer and police sergeant. Officers are eligible to test for master police officer after four years of law enforcement experience. Tonight, we have two officers for promotion to the rank of master police officer. First, we have Officer Caitlin Waits. Officer Caitlin Waits began her law enforcement career with the Hayesville Police Department in July of 2022. Although she has been here for a few years, she's worked in the field of public safety since 2015. Caitlin has served her community as an emergency dispatcher, detention deputy, parole officer, and police officer. She has a bachelor's degree in criminal justice from Wichita State University. as she served as her academy class president at Kansas Law Enforcement Training Center in 2022. And she's very thankful and excited and looking forward to serving the citizens of Hayesville in her new role. She's been assigned to the investigation section.

You want to say anything?

All right.

That's all right.

Next, we have Officer Jairo Camarena. Jairo, you want to come up? Officer Hiro Camerana began his career with the Hayesville Police Department in September of 2023. Before coming to Hayesville, he spent time as a detention deputy with the Sedgwick County Sheriff's Department. Hiro attended WSU Tech, studying criminal justice. Since coming here, he's been assigned to the patrol section and has done a good job with training some of our newer officers. One of his proudest accomplishments is being promoted to the rank of master police officer, in recognition of his hard work and dedication to his career. He's been assigned to the patrol section on second shift, so congratulations.

All right, let's make it short. Congratulations to you both again. All right, next we have line B, senior center month proclamation. This is the National Senior Center Month, September 2026. Whereas the Senior Center plays a vital role in strengthening communities by providing opportunities for older adults to remain active, engaged, and connected. And whereas senior centers offer a wide range of programs and services that promote health, wellness, social connection, lifelong learning, recreation, and independence for older adults. Whereas the Hayesville Senior Center provides a welcoming place where older adults can gather, build friendships, participate in activities, enjoy nutritious meals, and access valuable community resources. Whereas older adults contribute greatly to the Hayesville community through their experience, knowledge, volunteerism, leadership, and continued involvement in civic and community activities. The National Senior Center Month provides an opportunity to recognize the important role that senior centers play in supporting older adults and creating stronger, more connected communities. Now therefore, I, Russ Kessler, Mayor of the City of Hayesville, Kansas, do hereby proclaim September 2026 as the National Senior Center Month in the City of Hayesville and encourage all residents to recognize and celebrate the contributions of our older adults and the important role of the Senior Center in our community. Proclaimed this day, the 14th day of September 2026. All right, the next item is Constitutional Week Proclamation. I'll go ahead and read it, and then I'll meet the Daughters of the American Revolution up at the podium. So this is the Mayoral Proclamation, Constitutional Week, September 17th through September 23rd, 2026. Whereas it is the privilege and duty of the American people to commemorate the 239th anniversary of the drafting of the Constitution of the United States of America with appropriate celebrations and activities. And whereas Public Law 915 guarantees the issuing of proclamations each year by the President of the United States of America, designating September 17th through September 23rd as Constitution Week. Now, therefore, I, Russ Kessler, Mayor of the City of Paysville, Kansas, on behalf of the Council, staff, and residents, hereby proclaim the week of September 17th through September 23rd as Constitution Week and urge all citizens to study the Constitution and reflect on the privilege of being an American with all the rights and responsibilities which the privilege involves. Dated today, the 14th day of September, 2026. Again, I want to thank you all for coming tonight. So I'm going to sign this and present it to you. And then we're going to get some pictures. And then I'll give you all the opportunity to speak. How's that? I'm in the middle.

Yes. Mayor Kessler, on behalf of the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution, I would like to thank you and the Hayesville City Council for this proclamation to recognize September 17th through the 23rd as Constitution Week. This year we celebrate the 239th anniversary of our nation's founding document, the U.S. Constitution. Although it has been amended 27 times since its ratification, the Constitution still stands as the supreme law of the land. The Daughters of the American Revolution celebrate the work of American patriots who sacrificed so much for our freedom and way of life. During Constitution Week, local DAR members will be participating in activities and sharing the story of the Constitution and the beginning of this great nation with the future leaders of tomorrow. Thank you.

Thank you again for being here. Thank you. All right, our next item is the presentation and approval of minutes. Eight minutes of August 10th, 2026. Thank you. Councilperson Barton?

I make a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve the minutes as presented. Any discussion? Councilman Walters?

Yeah, I commend that motion to include correction for name spelling, please. Brett?

Whose name?

Six I for one, and I believe there's a second one in there somewhere. I'm just looking for it. But six I to start with. There's two of them.

Whose name is it?

Okay.

Surprise. Can I forget an S? We did.

Just do a search and find. You'll find it. So would you like to amend your motion?

So amended. With the S for the Walters.

Thank you. Who did the second on that?

Second.

Second. All right, so we motion a second to approve the minutes from August 10th, 2026 with the amendments as presented. Any further discussion? Question, please.

Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Ryan? Yes. Hewitt? Abstain. Clogier? Yes. Martin? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson?

Abstain.

All right, next we have item one, public comments. I have several people that have signed up or have cards that have signed up. I'm sorry.

do have several okay uh to better adhere to robert's rule of one thing at a time and to help ensure a fair hearing i make a motion to move any public comment regarding the agenda items 2a wally sharp to be during the agenda item 2a well this is the time for public comments do you want to have the public comments for the hearing during the hearing it would only help with

We do have an administrative appeal hearing script that I will be going off of. I'm sorry? We do have an administrative appeal hearing script that I will be going off of. Okay. And there is an administrative appeal hearing. Yeah, so if a representative from Crown Auto is present, they will get to speak as well. Okay. But for members of the public, this is their time to speak.

Okay.

All right, so public comment, you have three minutes to speak, if they're on or off the agenda items. And Angie will be keeping track of the time. So she has a card that she will hold up when you have one minute left. So the first person I have is Tammy Haisley. Please go and state your name and your address, please.

Sure.

Tammy Halsey, 106 East 80th Street South, Hayesville, Kansas. I'm here to speak on behalf of the proposed development at 79th and Broadway, and I have emailed council members about my concerns, and I just want to reiterate that I think they're very valid and I hope after looking at the agenda and some information where things have been removed that was once required of the developer, I hope that the wells stay intact and you guys really look at how many wells that are still being drawn from for our personal use, our bathing, our drinking, our watering our livestock, et cetera, as well as, and I understand now that the flooding issues that we're all concerned about by covering that much farm ground and saturation won't come till a later date, but I hope that is always taken into consideration for those of us south of there because the water does come in on us and it does affect our properties thank you for your time thank you thank you all right next we have uh ben is it h-i-g-e-r-d here yes sir

Ben Haggard, 211 East 79th Street South. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Councilpersons for all taking a few minutes to listen to me. I know everyone has received emails about the gas station, the conditional use permit. If you've watched any of the planning commission, you've already heard me stand up and speak on numerous topics. We are concerned about pollution, air, noise, light pollution, not to mention the actual pollution. environmental potentials of putting in a gas station in this area. You've heard me talk about it not reflecting the attitude of our neighborhood, that this is a residential area, not a commercial area. The other gas stations in Hayesville are not surrounded by residential homes like this particular one is. You've heard me talk about a very real spill that happened in El Dorado in June where a tanker truck rolled over coming into a gas station and spilled 8,000 pounds of ethanol. You've heard me speak on the concerns of the number of citizens from whom I have spoken to. You've received a petition that has been signed by 36% of the land owners, meaning that requires a super majority to approve this. But I also want to ask you one more question, and what I want you to think about today as you vote is who benefits from this gas station? From an economics perspective, you might have heard, this will bring tax money to Hayesville. However, I don't buy gas at one gas station and drive to another gas station and buy more gas. I don't buy my M&Ms from one gas station and drive to another gas station and buy M&Ms. What we will do with a new gas station less than a mile away, especially if we look south, There are no gas stations further south. So anyone who already drives to Hayesville for their gas is not going to change their patterns. Anyone who lives in Hayesville will not change their patterns. What I'm asking you to consider is the tax revenue that Hayesville would receive would not be increased tax revenue. Instead, it would be shifted tax revenue. So when you consider who benefits, the Hayesville revenue will not benefit from this. I also ask, who benefits? Will the people around benefit? Again, I would say no, because as you've seen, I have 88 signatures. And although I couldn't get every person on the deed, and again, 36% is still a very large number for an official petition, 88 signatures saying we do not want this gas station around this area. So the people around the area don't benefit. Thank you. The applicant, the seller, the buyer, they do benefit from this. I actually don't have a problem with that. I've talked to Pat and Myron Hatcher. They're wonderful people. I think they should sell their property. I think that they deserve the chance to sell their property, just like anyone else deserves a chance to sell their property. I do think that there's a benefit to that, but I don't think we need to run a conditional use permit just to build a gas station, just so they, the buyer and the seller, could be the ones that benefit when it seems they may be the only ones. I really appreciate your time this evening. Thank you very much for listening to me. I ask that you vote no on the conditional use permit. Thank you.

Thank you. Next we have James Hansen. Can you state your name and your address, please?

Shalom. My name is James Hanson. I live at 7927 West Meadow Path Circle, Wichita, Kansas. So it's true, I'm not a Hayesville resident. I'm actually here to talk about Wally. I want to give you a little story about him. So first of all, I'm Jewish. He's Muslim. The way I got introduced to Wally was my daughter bought a vehicle, you know, at General Auto. Now it is Crown Automotive. Shortly after, on Hanukkah, the first day of Hanukkah, our Hanukkiah, our menorah, fell over, broke in half. On Hanukkah here, you can't just go out and buy another menorah and have Hanukkah. I didn't know what to do. I thought to myself, well, I know Wally has this machine shop. I wonder if I could ask him if he could help me out. So I called him up, and sure enough, he was willing to help me out. He drilled it out, got the menorah up and going again, and we continued having Hanukkah. You know, that's... That year is wonderful. Anyways, the reason why this is important, again, is because Wally didn't ask for anything special out of this. This is just part of his character on who he is. I have a daughter that is in the Navy, and she's a sailor. And Wally, his speech is pretty vocal. It's pretty harsh, worse than a sailor's, might I say. Anyways, there's a lot of differences between us, but one thing I really value is how he treated me and how he is. So when you get to know him, what he does speaks volumes. That's pretty much all I have to say.

All right, thank you. Thank you. All right, next we have a... I have something to say about Wally's... Well, excuse me. I have people I'm hollering at first.

I live in Wichita.

I have cards I'm going off on first, and then I'll ask everybody else.

Excuse me? I'm sorry, I'm not hearing what you're saying.

Some people turn in speaker cards. We just go in on the list, and then after he's done with the speaker cards, anybody else comes up and speaks? Oh, okay.

So I can't say anything right now?

He just wants to go in order first. I've got a couple more names I'll call up, then I'll call you up.

I'm still not hearing what you're saying.

All right, the next person is Gina Schroeder. Gina?

Hello, I'm here to speak for Wally because his speech is a little difficult sometimes to understand. So we put together a letter that would help bring to the front of what benefits he does bring to the community. The first biggest one being that the sales tax money, every single time a car is sold there, a percentage of that comes to Hayesville in sales tax. Every single time a car is sold to a low income person, There is more hurdles that we have to go through to make sure that they can have a car that they couldn't get at a lot of other car dealerships. And they're not even going to work with them. We work with any and all credit. We do our best to find them financing so they can get a car. They can have transportation. They can't improve their credit without getting a job. to pay off the things that are hurting their credit, it's a vicious cycle. So we're there to try to bridge that gap and allow those that wouldn't have a chance any other way to have that chance. That being said, we also deal with a lot of complaints, um, because A lot of people, when you buy a used car, assume that it's a brand new car. It's not. It's used. It's worn. It's well loved sometimes. And so there's going to be issues. They didn't have issues when they pulled off the car lot. It was fine. Or maybe something happened as they pulled off the car lot. These are used cars. Things happen all the time. You just drive down the street and things blow up, I don't know. But we work with the customers, we do our best to help them fix their cars when they need it, and be there to help them make sure the car's running, because that's what they need. And a lot of times we still have complaints, we still, you know, you can't make everybody happy. So we do our best to filter all those complaints. We do our best to help them with the vehicles when there's issues. There has been some instances that happened, but you have to keep in mind that the shop is separate. That is a rented space versus the car lot itself. So a lot of the issues have occurred because of the shop. That's what I wanted to share and be here to help translate if he does talk. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, the next person is Johnny Smith

Good evening. My name is Johnny Smith. Again, I'm from Wichita, Kansas. I'm here to speak on behalf of Wally, and I want to thank y'all for letting me speak. I've known Wally for going on about two and a half years now. I'll tell you, if you ever got this man in a room and started talking to him, he is crazy at times. And it's in a good way. It's in a very good way. He can make you laugh and get frustrated at the same time. I worked at his shop. I did work for him for a little bit of time. And I was one of his salesmen. Yes, we had come through the lot. I mean, technically it's a used car lot. You go to Walmart, you're expected to get produce free, or you're expected to get nice brand new produce, but there's sometimes that it's bad. I mean, you go in there and get a watermelon and you're sitting there thumping on it, ooh, that sounds ripe, that sounds great. Take it home and Not even a day later, it's gone bad. Is that Walmart's fault for selling it? No. He's used car lots. You're gonna have some bad, I mean, look at the price you're spending. You got, like me right now, I'm fixing to go down and spend a couple, about $1,000 on a vehicle and I already know I'm gonna have my issues with it.

I already know I am.

You get what you pay for. You spend about $1,000, you're gonna have issues. Not saying Wally would, because I know for a fact, he sold my wife a car, and that thing lasted for a while. Yes ma'am, thank you. I'm not saying he's, he is a really great guy. There's a lot of naysayers out there, there's a lot of people that just wants to bash him, but no, he is really awesome. And I think he deserves a chance to have his, yes, he already had a chance, but I think he deserves to have his lot back and be able to sell his cars.

Thank you. All right, thank you. Next speaker, is it Serena? Yes. Lamar's?

Thank you mayor and council people. Thank you so much for letting us speak today. I am here also on behalf of crown auto. Um, I just want to reiterate the fact that he does sell cars for people of low income and that does help individuals like myself. So when I have a little bit of money so that I can have transportation to get to work, I got a car from him. And that was able for me to get to work so that I could become a better citizen. So I feel like having the opportunity for other people in your community, because not all of your people in the community have those lovely resources or individuals they can go and get things from. So having Crown Auto in your community is going to help so that other people will have the opportunity to bring themselves up too. Thank you for your time.

All right, thank you. That's the last thing in my head as far as who filled out cards. So let's open it up to anybody else. So ma'am, if you'd like to come up and give your name and your address, please.

Well, I just want to say, I bought a car three weeks and three days ago. I still do not have the car. I gave him a check for $8,000. You have to say your name and your address.

Do what? Say your name.

My name is Sandra Stromer. And what's your address? 5945 South Jones Street, Wichita, Kansas. And like I said, I bought a car from Wally, and I... I still don't have the car. I guess I should have took it Saturday, but I wanted new tires on it. It was in a shop. Just shortly after I bought it, they had the fire. So then it was in a shop, and then it was supposed to be released, but something else happened. Oh, then they got broken into. And I finally saw the car Saturday, and I should have took it then, but I wanted the tires on it. And I was going to pick it up after my doctor appointment today, and I drove by and it was all locked up. I just want my car. I'm not saying that Wally did anything wrong. I mean, he actually loaned me a car to drive. I've been driving his Mercedes. I didn't buy a Mercedes. I want my car. I can't say he treated me wrong or bad. Except I do not have a receipt. I don't have anything to prove that that's my car. Except a loan at the bank that comes due next month. And I guess that's all I have to say. I just want my car.

Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else that would like to speak on anything on or off the agenda? If not, we will move on to item two, approval of licenses and bonds. We have A, appeal of denied business license regarding Crown Auto Sales 6405 South Broadway. So let's see. So do we have an administrative appeal hearing script? This is an administrative appeal hearing in accordance with Section 5-108 of the City Code of Hayesville, Kansas. This hearing was requested by Wally Sharp, Crown Auto Sales, to appeal the denial of their business registration and permit to operate, commonly referred to as a business license. This hearing is to determine whether the business registration and permit to operate denials should be upheld or rescinded. It is not to seek to change or revise city ordinances or codes, or to debate their legality or correctness. The decision of the governing body should be final with no further administrative appeals. I firmly open the administrative appeal hearing for Crown Auto Sales, located at 6405 South Broadway Avenue. Do any members of the council have a conflict of interest in this case? If so, please disqualify yourself from further action of this case. You may choose to speak as a member of the public, but may not participate in any council discussion. So, do any members of the council have a conflict of interest? Council Member Brewster?

I don't know if it's conflict of interest, but Myers wanted me to meet with Paulie on Saturday, and I told him I couldn't.

Ex parte communication, sir. Do we want to do a disclosure? Could we please have an ex parte communication disclosure as well, if that's what you would like?

Let's see. Let me go on down to the next one. So have any members of council received any verbal, written, or electronic communications on this matter? If so, please describe them.

Okay, I think we've got to go back to the first part if we're going to, if that's next, right? What's that? If we're doing a conflict of interest disclosure and going around the room, we have to do that first and then do an ex parte, or are we going to do it together?

Well, I'm just asking if you have had a conflict, if you do have a conflict of interest. Okay.

No. Are we going around the room or no?

No.

Okay. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So the next question was, have any members of council received any verbal, written, or electronic communications on this matter? If so, please describe them.

Yes. I have had ex parte communications with Mr. Sharp. He is my constituent. I have talked with his current and past employees, his tenants, in investigations of this topic. I make all decisions based on facts with a free and clear mind.

Anybody else? All right, moving on. Has staff received any verbal, written, or electronic communication on this matter? If so, please describe them.

Only from the applicant they've been included in the...

Sorry?

Only from the applicant they've been included in the... I'll get those headed out.

Okay. We've had emails and questions.

We did have an informal meeting on last Thursday, which Mr. Sharp attended, and also Councilperson Myers attended that meeting as well. Okay.

Anybody else? All right, moving on.

uh city clerk angie fulton and chief woodville will present the facts that led to the denial of the registration so i'm going to start by just reviewing the business registration process and then the application specifically on august 19th this application was denied but first i'll go over the overview In your packet was Chapter 5, Particle 1 of the Hayesville Code, which establishes the business registration process. This code states that all businesses must annually register and maintain a valid permit to operate within the city limits of Hayesville. This permit is issued upon approval of an application. The application process includes an inspection of the business site to determine that the applicant has complied with building and electrical codes and other relevant regulations of the city, an investigation by the chief into the background of the business owner's business or service, and to look at whether or not the business or service will have a significant effect upon the city's ability to provide law enforcement services. There's also a review by the zoning administrator of the process to determine if the applicant has complied with the zoning subdivision sign and historic preservation code. And then there's a review by the city clerk to verify that all property taxes where the business will be located have been paid. Once we receive confirmation that the applicant is in compliance with all of these, then we issue a permit. once the application is received most of these steps are handled in-house with the exception of the review by the building inspector that the applicant is required to scheduled that themselves the reason for that is to make sure that someone will be there so that the inspector will have access to the property and all of the property so we do require that they settle that other than that my office then distributes it to the various offices and then we wait for our response back from them so that's the overview of the process For this particular process, business, Crown Auto Sales did submit their application on May 14th, 2026. The stated business owner was Hassan Haral. I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right. Business manager stated was Wally Sharp. So on July 29th, the Planning and Zoning Administrator did mark that it was in compliance with the existing zoning and subdivision regulations. She did state that this was a continuation of legal non-conforming use of vehicle and equipment sales. And on or about August 18th, we were made aware that the business had moved vehicles onto the property and were operating their business without a license. So I asked for an update on the application. At that time, we did not have comments back from the building inspection or from the chief. So we did reach out to the chief and he did inform us that he found the business not to be in compliance with the existing codes and regulations. He did email this response and at that time, I decided to deny the application as the applicant had not passed all of the inspections for section 5-1 of life. We did, Angela in my office, our business license technician, did call the manager to let him know that a letter was available because he had been earlier that day asking about it. So he did come back and sign an appeal, which is also included in your packet. In that, he just asked for additional information And his appeal stated reason was to get more information. So we did provide an additional letter for him, which is also included in your package. And at that time he requested a meeting to review these stating that he didn't know about any of the cases that were mentioned. So we did schedule a meeting with him last Thursday where me, Lieutenant Young, And after chief finished a meeting, he came and then Mr. Sharp did attend with council member Myers. He did have an opportunity to review the files that the police department had on him. And at that time he did request additional copies. So those were taken over the police department and later given to him. Um, and at this time we have not received any communication from the actual business owner, only from the manager, Wally sharp, and now the chief will.

So during the course of these business licensing checks, the extent of the check by the police department is normally we'll run a warrant check, just a basic check to see if this person is any kind of a registered offender, has any warrants or anything like that. We also run a local check just to see what kind of interaction that individuals have with the local police department to make sure we don't have any criminal issues there or anything like that that might affect them and their ability to operate a business here. During the course of this one, we did find that there was a civil order through the Sedgwick County District Court, which has jurisdiction over the city of Hayesville, In that, Mr. Sharp was specifically mentioned, and there were some points in there that were very similar problems with customers at another location, was not in Hayesville. There was a final order dated June 30th, 2022, and he was ordered to refrain from engaging in deceptive or unconstitutional acts or practices in connection with all consumer transactions. We were not aware that this order was even there when it was previously licensed as general auto sales. Otherwise there's there is the possibility that we would have revoked the license at that time for different things that had gone on In the city we did not find there was nothing involving his business practices I suppose you could say that would keep him from any criminal activity that would keep him from doing that. However, there were some other questionable things that went on over there. Over the course of the five years, there were at least 78 cases cut from that location. Now, when I say cases, cases don't necessarily mean that somebody committed a crime and somebody's in trouble for that. What a case is, is anytime that we have contact with a citizen, and we may need to reference that information later, We do what the officers call cutting a case. And when they cut that case, what that means is there's certain buttons that they'll push in the computer to generate a case through the record system. And then it requires a little bit more information, requires some identification information from the people that are involved and exactly what happened. Again, there was not a crime per se committed every time a case was cut. We cut cases when kids refused to get out of bed and go to school. I mean, that's a case, but there's nothing criminal there. But they're cases nonetheless. Now, the cases that we had out of those 78, there were six cases where stolen vehicles from other jurisdictions were found at the location. Now, again, those are cases that other departments have taken. We don't have any control over those cases. We don't know who reported that or anything else at that time. We know that those vehicles were reported stolen or another agency has come in here and said, hey, we need to have you guys come over here and help us while we go on the property and go look and see if this is actually the stolen vehicle. We had 10 cases of Mr. Sharp reporting vehicles as stolen, which we believe some of those were legitimate auto thefts, and we took those reports, interdependency IC. I think those vehicles were recovered later. I don't know that we have any that were not. I don't know the status of every single one of them because I did not look for those as part of this. some of those cases we believe to be civil cases where there was some sort of a after talking to whoever was in possession of the vehicle we believe that maybe it was a verbal agreement between mr sharp and the individual that took the car He reported the car stolen, probably get it back because otherwise if we go over there and he says, yeah, I let so and so borrow it, they didn't bring it back. Then that is borderline a civil issue. So he reports that the vehicle was stolen. Yep. We're going to enter it as NCIC. We're going to try to go find it. Um, officers are on the lookout for it and those kinds of things. So we had those 10 cases, um, and all this is in your memo that you were, that you received in your council packet. Um, there was some, uh, Another 10 cases of lost, stolen, or photocopied tags being used, and titles not being given to the customers after they buy a vehicle, or titles taking an unusual long time to get to the people. One particularly troubling thing here is the photocopying of dealer tags. We've had council meetings where we've talked about mistakes where people have been taken out of cars at gunpoint and things like that. Photocopying a dealer tag is a really bad idea. If somebody commits a crime in that car and an eyewitness says, hey, this was the dealer tag in the back of that car, and we've photocopied that tag eight times, now there's eight different cars out there with the same tag on them. We may be rolling down the street and we see this vehicle with a dealer tag on it, and oh, look, that's the one that they said earlier did an armed robbery. may not have even been the same car. Cause there's eight of them out there, but that's a particularly dangerous thing to do. Um, and we had, we had several cases where that was happening. We don't know how many photocopy tags there were out there, um, of dealer tags. Um, that was also an issue that the state was, was looking at at one time, and I'm not sure what happened there. Um, let's see, we had 18 complaints from citizens regarding unsavory business practices, problems with vehicles. not being handled as promised by the dealership, problems with deposits or money being refunded to the customers. Again, some of the things that we were talking about up here earlier. You're not buying a brand new car. We understand that. There's going to be issues with those cars. The problem comes from when these issues rise to the level of now it's a disturbance. There's people mad yelling at each other. I mean, I feel bad for Mr. Sharp a lot of times because he's got to hear that when somebody brings a car back. We're going to talk about low-income people. Yeah, low-income people, they don't have much money. They come in there to buy a car. They spend every penny that they've got to buy this car. It breaks down a week later. They come back and they say, hey, can you fix my car? Well, yeah, if you pay me 50% of the repair bill. That's where they're getting upset. I'm not saying that that's not... what was there, but people get upset with that, and then they end up calling the police because they want somebody out there to solve their problem right then. They don't like when we go out there and tell them, well, I'm sorry, that's a civil problem. We're not going to arrest Mr. Sharp because he didn't commit a crime. It's a civil issue. You have to take him to civil court and go do that. When it went to civil court, that's where this other judgment came from, and During that, there was some orders being made there, and because there's people still having those issues here, that was why we denied the business license. Because if there's still people being upset, and the order that was in there, and I have a copy of the order. If you'd like to see it, I can pass out a copy to council members. You guys can have it and look at it and read it. But in that order... It was dated June 30th, 2022. He was ordered to refrain from engaging in those deceptive or unconscious acts or practices in connection with consumer transactions. So when we have people that are coming up saying, well, he told me that it was 100% warranty, but it wasn't. I can't tell you one way or the other what was said because I wasn't there. I don't know what was said because it's a he said, she said problem, and that has to be settled in civil court. But again, that has to be settled in civil court. We have to cut a case on it that says, yep, we were out there. This is what everybody told us. This is what happened. Due to those number of cases and due to this civil order here, that was why we chose to deny the business license. Now, tonight in front of you, you have the option to affirm that denial or you can reverse that denial. That's up to counsel and... how you see fit and what you've done research with. So that's what we have at this point. That's the reason we denied the license, which is because of the sheer number of these types of complaints that come in in that civil order that was in place. The other cases that are in here, because if you do the math, it does not equal 78 cases. A lot of those were if Mr. Sharp locked the keys in a car and called us to come unlock it. We've come out there and unlocked cars for him before. We drive through in the middle of the night. We'll check parking lots. We see somebody up there messing around the car that shouldn't be there. We're going to stop and check. We found Mr. Sharp out there before just coming back to lock something up. And we found him out there in the middle of the night and just check on him. Hey, everything's OK. And we move on. It's because we're going to do that for every business in the city. We're not singling anybody out. We're not doing anything like that. We're going to check on everybody. There have been some theft cases up there. Those would also be included in there where people have stolen things from cars. I can't think specifically of anything that was – things that were taken, but usually car parts or something like that that were taken. And I don't know whether that was taken from Mr. Sharp. If there's two different businesses running up there, I don't know if that was taken from him or taken from the other – place over there, but both businesses, as I understand it, are running under the same LLC. So that's where we're at with that one. So same property, as we understand it, that's the way it is. So that's what we've got.

All right, thank you. All right, next, are there any questions of staff? Anybody have any questions for staff? So will council members want to ask staff anything?

Yes. Yes, I have a question for Angie, please. You said that in his business license that it is for auto and vehicle repair. It is not for vehicle repair. If you look at the business license, or am I missing it?

No, that is for the conditional use.

Okay, what I'm saying is that his business Okay, okay, okay I just want to clarify that then so the business license has auto sales listed on the type of business And I just wanted to make sure that's clear for the record that there is no auto repair on the business license Okay, so that was for Angie and I do have, for the chief, I have some questions. Yeah, the chief of police, I have some questions. You stated that the 78 cases, that they're to the citizen. They're actually to the address, correct? The ones that, I'm sorry, the 78 were, the ones that you filtered were for his address, because some of them don't have him. Okay, I just wanted to make sure that's clear for the record.

They were to the address, because the ones that we stopped in the middle of the night and checked on somebody that was shining a flashlight in the car, it wasn't there. No, they're not to him, they're to the address.

Yeah, because you have traffic stops, a homeless person being detained. a hit and run included in those 78, and I just want to make it clear that it's not 78 cases of Wally, it's 78 cases of 7405 South Broadway. So I just want to clear that up for the record as well.

6405 South Broadway, and it would be cases on the property. So we don't have the street around there, so it would have to be something on the property. So for us to make a traffic stop on the property, I would ask you what case number that was because I don't know that we make traffic stops on private property.

In this line. I'll get back to you in a little bit. For the tags, was he tried and convicted on any of that? Was there any convictions for counterfeiting tags? Was there any cases involving that?

No, the state was going to do an audit on that. So it was out of our hands at that point. The state took it over and said that they were going to do an audit on those tags, and I don't know what the outcome of that was.

Is that civil or what is that? That's more tax. That's an IRS.

It's a Department of Revenue. Okay, so that's a tax issue. Right. It's more a civil issue than it is a criminal issue. But again, I'm not going to work for the Department of Revenue. I never have.

And this is not about taxes. That's not why we're meeting here today to talk about taxes and anything like that. That's all I have for the staff.

Okay. Councilperson Park.

Hey, Angie. They're saying the auto sales. What about the repair? Is there a business license for the repair? I will double check, but I do not use them. Okay.

Well, Angie's checking. Councilman Walters.

uh i'll piggyback on that uh chief you said there's one llc for the entire business today excuse me that was what we were told in the meeting on thursday by mr sharp and mr myers okay so i was unclear it looks like misunderstood what you said i i that was my first time meeting wally so that was i was basing it off of what wally said um so we'll have that discussion later for this how we're doing this but basically i'm there's two llc's and we i'll address that in a minute And there is no business record for the auto repairs. It is. Yeah.

Yeah. 64. So there's no business records.

There was only one.

There was only one business license on that address.

They have not filed for a, they have not filed with the city.

So is there auto repairs done on this property at all?

Can anybody answer that? That's a question for Wally. Well, it's not his turn to speak yet. Gotcha.

We didn't see any cases out of those 70 that we had. I do not recall any that involved in... a car being taken in for an auto repair at a repair shop. We had cases that vehicles were taken into Mr. Sharp that they had been sold a period of time before that and then they came back for whatever reason because it was broke, it was making a noise or whatever, it came back to Mr. Sharp. I don't know where those repairs occur. I don't know if they occur out in the middle of the parking lot or if they're taken back to the, I don't know where they occur.

Are there any other questions of staff?

I do have. Let me just find it really quick while we're still on this. So there was a traffic stop on 11-19-25, case number 9773. And then there was also a hit and run 222-25, case number 1175. I mean, there's a lot. I didn't even... I didn't even make the full complete list because there was so many of them, and I only went back like 2023. But yeah, those are some of the ones that like to hit and run, the traffic stop. I'm trying to find ones that don't involve the building at all. But bottom line is a lot of these cases have nothing to do with Wally or his business. you're saying there's no cases so i'm sorry these are all the case files okay and i've i went through probably three quarters of them okay i'm just asking okay so and i was compiling a spreadsheet and it was taking me a lot of time and i kind of stopped because i would i drew a conclusion of what was going on that these are not cases of him getting arrested of him getting whatever it's literally things that occurred on that address so i Well, I'll wait until I get to my point. Because I live on 7500 South Meridian, right?

If you pull my address, there's going to be a hundred cases. Right now, the questions are to staff.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay.

Are there any other questions to staff? Seeing none, we will move on to the next point. As a representative of Crown Auto Sales President, if you are present, please step forward, state your name, and present your argument. You will have five minutes.

My name is Wally Sharp. I've been selling cars for over 30 years. Maybe I sold 12,000 to 13,000 during this time. I don't think I ever have a problem with no law, no customer, no lawsuit, no court, none of that. I do understand what's going on at this time, and I think there's a confusion between 6405 and 6407. So most of these problems, or maybe has something to do with completely separate LLC, which is 6407. It has nothing to do with Crown Hotel or General Hotel, which is 6405. I've never been asked questions, I've never been interrogated, I've never been to the police department, none of the police ever asked me a question, and that tell me that they do understand that 6405, whether General Osell, or Cron Osell, has nothing to do with all of the above, whether the 78 cases or the other cases. Nobody ever came and asked me. So, of course, when the police go to 6405, nobody ever asked me a question that means, automatically, I have nothing to do with it. And to be honest, it's the first time, having for the last seven years, that I hear all these cases. Also, I wasn't really sent in cars, I had no knowledge, nobody told me that you cannot sell cars. I mean, I have the paper here showing that I can sell cars. And the only time when the police came with the ticket and he said, you cannot sell cars, we stopped. And that was like a week ago. Do you have the ticket date? I did not sell any car after that. And again, this is the first time I found out that we cannot sell cars. And again, all the problem. 78, the other, has nothing to do with us. We are Crown Oversale, General Oversale, have nothing to do with 6405. 400% incident has something to do with 6405. I didn't have the evidence, but also nobody ever come and talk to me in my office. Like, hey, Wally, where is this car? Where is that car? Never. they know automatically to go 6405, because 99%, maybe 100% of the time, the people in 6407, they are there. So the police do go there, talk to them, never come to me. And when I asked the people in 6407, they said, yeah, we're fixing it with the police. I believe if Crown Oversale or General Oversale had any involvement, didn't you think very obvious somebody come and talk to us on 6405? Never, ever, ever have it. Never. And I'm very, very cooperative with the police. For some reason, they always call Wali. They have my second number. When they call me, they say, is this Wali? And they come there, they know me. Yes, I'm Wali. Always helpful, but they just ask a question. Do you know anything about this incident? I walk with them to 6407. Always somebody there. Say yes. That's our problem. That's our car. And I'm always very busy. I don't have time to stay and listen. I'm thinking, I'm here. I'm always here. And by the way, I do work every day. go break, and they're from 10 to 10. And that's why even the police know that, because when they brought the ticket that they cannot send a car, they came in the evening, like 9 o'clock. So that means they know that Wally was there. That means whenever they have a problem or a question, they know that Wally always there, Wally always going there, always. One incident happened maybe like, I don't know, nine months, ten months, ago, the police called me. They said, we found one for your car that has no 60-day tax. I'm always very, very nice. I said, okay, so you want 60-day tax? He said, can you come to the business and give us a 60-day tax? I said, sure. I went there. I think it was 12 o'clock at night. I did not ask question of why is it that late. I just went there and I gave them the security data because I know that that's all that's wrong. So I never had a problem with the police, no matter what. Always very nice, very competent. And to be honest, when they show up there, We didn't even ask them if they have a warrant or not because I don't want to say I don't care, but that's a police thing. I just want to be helpful. Always answer their question, always fix a problem. But again, 100% of the time, not the 99%, 100% of the time, it's not us. It's the other LLC, which is 6407, not 6405. That didn't happen that one time. And again, if a policeman never, ever, ever come to my office, ask me any question, I just assume, very obvious, they found out that themselves has something to do with 6407, and that's why they never come and ask me. And with all honesty, this is the first time i hear about all these problems and i thought the police loved me because i'm very confident i answered the phone two o'clock three o'clock eleven o'clock my girlfriend did she think i'm very important because he's been uh all right you're five minutes is up i mean i've been doing i mean helping uh Councilor Meyer and finding about all that He called me one time one o'clock in the morning asked question and I answered the question too. I told my girlfriend Yeah, I'm very important person. I think it's kind of naturally funny way. Nobody Thinks like what's going on here.

That's all the last seven years So we're gonna go and move on So next is a are there any questions of the appellant?

or anybody want to ask the appellant any questions councilman walters i believe mr myers was first oh go ahead i'm still collecting my thoughts uh just looking at this case it looks like you've been there for five years and this particular occasion i was wondering if you'd give it any consideration being part of the better business bureau Oh, I would love to, sure. If you think that's a good idea, then we will. But I'm talking about the last five years. Be that as it may, there's 18 cases that are listed that are complaints. Could you talk to that issue?

Maybe some of them, some of them. You see, we get so busy there, so until we get something in mail to kind of deal with it, maybe how busy we get, maybe sometime we don't. But I'm not very sure about it because there was no specific incident that need to address it according to my knowledge. And what I remember, because I'm the salesman, I buy cars, I'm the one who fix them, and I do all that by myself, So we have Jenna and another girl named Roger. They are the one who handled stuff like that, like with the business bureau. And I believe they were replying to these cases. I never seen something as a problem that they did not answer that. But I would be glad to look at that and see if anything going on there. I'll start getting involved with these cases. I will.

Councilperson Portman.

What do you say about the six cases of stolen vehicles that were found on your lot?

Very good question. Thank you. No police came and asked me, so I assume it's the other LLC.

But you're the car lot. They were in your cars.

No, no, no. But here's the question. If the police did not come to my office and he found it and talked to the people at 6407, whether the car parked exactly at 6407 or 6405, they go to 6407 and then they will come and ask me a question. Isn't it very obvious that us has nothing to do with it? Very true. Very true. We didn't have anything to do with it. I have no idea now exactly what you're talking about because one more time, police never came and asked me a question. I'm not saying investigation, interrogation, none of that. I'm saying just a question. Hey, Wally, where's this car? They go to the other LLC, which is 64%.

What about the lost, stolen, and photocopied tags?

I have no idea about that, too.

Well, I understand that's not criminal, but it's still. It went to the parents. I mean, why are you copping tags? I don't.

I don't. I mean, this is very, very, very illegal. You can lose your losses when you do that. And what's my benefit doing that? I mean, it's very possible I don't know. Is it 6407? Is it the customer himself? I mean, if nobody asked me this question, how would I know? This is the first time. First time I know about this stuff. Nobody talked to me about it before. So to be honest, it's a surprise. And that's why I'm thinking, if you understand the situation, and you know that I've been there for seven years, I have no criminal record. I'm very confident with the police. You give me the answers, you can keep going, doing your self-investigation, fixing problems. I'll be very glad to keep going, because I am always, always there. It's not like I'm going to be hiding, and where's why? I'm there 24 hours. I mean, I do get there 10 o'clock in the morning and 10 o'clock at night, including weekend. You can keep going. I mean, any other question after you give me, hopefully, the answers tonight, you're very welcome to. I'm not a criminal. Never been to jail. No drugs, no drink, no DUI. never have been arrested, none of that. And I've been selling cars for 30 years. I did sell around 12,000 cars. So during the 12,000 cars, no lawsuit, never lost a case, none of that. There is no specific problem against me. And with all respect, For the chief, if you want me to tell you the conclusion of the 2022 in one minute or a few seconds, I would be glad to. You want me to? Please, go ahead. So I've been selling cars for 30 years in so many businesses. Then I went to 37 or so. He's a black guy. I'm not saying anything bad about black, but he was very kind of, like, aggressive, asshole. He called people asshole. They used the word fuck. When the customer come, I get sick of this stuff. I thought, I'm leaving. So the customer, I mean, of course, when I sell a car, of course I give a warranty. I left. The customer, two customers, called me and said, Wally, you sold us these two cars, and you promised us to fix whatever. I said, I'm done. I'm done. I'm not working for this guy. Because when they called me, they said, well, we'll call this guy, and he mentioned the word F, and he told us, get the F out of here. So they called me. I said, I don't work there anymore. So the customer went, I said, go and talk to him personally. When they went there personally, he again mentioned the word F and got them out. They call me. I always give my circle number to the customer. And they said, we're going to go to the district attorney. I said, sure. I am not the manager there. I'm not the owner. I was a salesman, and I sold you this car. He did not fix it, and he did not follow the warranty that I promised you. I didn't work there. So they got to the district attorney. The district attorney somehow, because the owner there, he wanted to get himself out of the problem, he was putting everything, Wally, Wally, Wally. So my lawyer called me. He said, well, he said, you sold them the car. I told him, well, yeah. I sold them the car. A few days later, I left. the warranty, he did not handle it, and he was saying the word F, get them out of there, it's not my problem. So my lawyer was handling the case with the district attorney at court, and just to show you that I have nothing to do with it, I never been to court. I never been to the district attorney. I didn't even know what happened. And it was another surprise, after six years, that my name is there. I don't know why my name is there when I never been to court or the district attorney. So now I start looking at the whole situation with the help of Mr. Meyer, with all respect. He worked with me the last four days, day and night, until sometime one o'clock in the morning, because he wanted to make sure that I'm honest, and he kept telling me, Wally, I'm not on your side. I want to get the truth out of here. I said, sure, I will answer you all the questions. I was very honest with him, and we found out that I really have nothing to do with anything. back to Jacob Lucky and that deal, that 2022, I left the place. Here's the thing, I have a very good lawyer, Todd Child. Todd said, you want to keep arguing with him, it's your problem or not? Or do you want to pay $4,500 and you leave? It's not your problem. I know it's not your problem. I know he gave the warranty and left. And I know Jacob, he did not cover or follow the warranty. I know that. Do you want to keep going for month and month and spend all kind of money? Or you pay what they are asking you to pay, which is $4,000 something. I said, yeah, I'll pay the 40 something today. I didn't have the time. So I paid the 40 something that day. And I never heard from my lawyer or the district attorney or the court. But also I heard that Jacob Lucky ended up going to jail over this stuff. People are selling cars, no warranty, he is the customer, all kinds of stuff. I had nothing to do with it. And again, with all respect to the system in this country, isn't it very obvious if I had a problem, somebody would call me from the district attorney or court, or my lawyer say, hey, we have one more appointment to go wherever. I did not go nowhere, not even one time. No call, no district attorney. And I thought that case dismissed. My lawyer, he said, yeah, you paid the 40 something when we know originally it's not your problem because you left after you sold the car, it's not your problem. But sure, this is why I pay money, I get out. If the government including my lawyer, said, pay this, of course I'm going to pay. Do, will you go for years and, I mean, argue with the government, or will you stay and leave? That's why. I can't wait. Because in the end, it might cost me arguing with them more than $4,000, and it might take years. And again, we're dealing with the government here. It's not like under the table thing. And that's true. Dodge had it. Very good lawyer. Very well known. We end the problem at that time. I mean, the same month. Although, I remember when he called me kind of like a year after I left. That mean there was some kind of investigation between the government and Jacob. I was not involved, and it did not count out until a year later. Because I know we start General Orestel, I think it was like 13th of August of 2022, I think. And they brought the subject at that time, after we saw General Orser a year. So all this time, they were doing something, some kind of investigation with Jacob. I'm going to say it one more time. Nobody called me. Nobody. I didn't even know if the problem was the district attorney or with the court. I didn't know. Nobody told me. All that I know, my lawyer said, hey, you want to pay for this something? I didn't even know, like, what he's talking about. I said, what they are talking about? He said, you want to keep going and argue or you want to pay money and leave? I paid the money. It wasn't in his pocket. It was to the government. I don't know if it's the court. for district attorney, it's not to the law. The lawyer think it was very different than that 4,000 something. That's why I'm assuming, not assuming, I'm sure the case is done and you'll heard nothing from nobody for the next five or six years, but I know also that Jacob, I think he was in jail again and I think he left jail just a few months ago. So hopefully you all see my point. I have nothing to do with that case at all. If they made a mistake and kept my name there, I'm not mad. But again, I'll hopefully be able to work with the same lawyer or another lawyer, get my name out. And with the help of Mr. Meyer, I really, really appreciate what he did the last four days. We've been working day and night. We get all kind of paper. And I'm sure he has tons of paper. unfortunately unfortunately none of the papers say specifically wally is this man i understand that dismissed i do understand that but also nothing say there that wally is guilty it's all jacob jacob jacob he has maybe over 100 people or jacob it doesn't have my name anywhere and that's why i'm thinking I mean, I have like $150,000 worth of cars enveloped today. I'm talking $170,000. So if I lose my losses tonight, I mean, what are you going to do with the $170,000? I'm always there, and you can come and talk to me and investigate me again any time. Let me keep selling these cars. I'm there. Customer part, did that answer your question?

I have one more. So you're saying when you sell a used car, and there's a 30-day warranty with 50% that it's not yours once it drives off the dealer, it's gone?

No.

Well, that's what you're trying to say. And these people that are saying you didn't honor their warranties, you're saying, oh, it's 6407. No, no, no, no, no, no.

I didn't say that. I'm going to say it very clearly. Even the district attorney, when they came...

Okay, we're not talking about that one. I'm talking about all these other ones. that you sold the car, and I buy a used car. I take it back to the dealership if there's a problem within 30 days.

Okay.

And they take care of it, not push it off to 6407. No, no, no.

I do that too. Guess what? even 50%, I go 100%. Let me be honest with you. One of the reasons maybe General Auto Sales went out of business, because General Auto Sales was the only car lot, when somebody come with a complaint, we fixed it 100%. 100. Not 50%. We didn't want the noise, we didn't want the problem, we didn't want the complaint, we didn't want somebody to go in there.

But there's people that's complaining, saying you didn't stand behind it.

I did not see any complaint. Show me. There is no complaint because we take care of them 100%.

You can look at Mr. Meyer's post on Facebook and see if there was complaints.

That's not legal documented. It needs to be public record.

It needs to be recorded. That's just the talk without them.

Okay.

100%. I'm giving you my word. We take care of the problem 100% all the last six years. 100%. because we didn't want it to have something like Jacob. If I left Jacob because he wasn't taking care of the warranty, I would leave general ourselves for the same reason. So I was there. I'm the boss. I'm the salesman. I'm the one who picks them. I'm the one who buys them. And I'm the one who gives 100% with all honesty. That's what I'm saying. You give me the license and you find out more cases, it doesn't mean that we're going to close the case. You can come every day, every week.

bring in some paper bring some complaint gospel walters mr sharp uh some of the many things that the chief has given the council here uh about what's going on up there is very unfavorable to uh crown crown voters yeah it sounds like you're saying that this is the first time you've heard of all these issues i don't know But I guess my question really is because I hear you talking about a lot of different things But never directly the issues do I will you are the manager you are the senior general Crown Motors? Yeah, do you personally take responsibility for what occurs at Crown Motors? Yeah You're not answering the questions so I'm sorry and you're to be the question I

I think I did. Thank you very much. I heard that if I take care of everything and my answer... You're in charge.

It says there was 78 cases. That's here or there. There's 10 cases of lost coffee tags, 18 complaints. It shows that there was a filing from the 18th Judicial District against you to refrain from engaging in deceptive and unconscionable acts or practices. No discussion of what happened here or how this is going to be fixed or why this happened. And so I'm thinking that maybe there's a lack of responsibility, it seems, and that's why I'm asking the question.

Okay, here's the answer. Now I understand your question. You're saying some of these incidents, the 78, can I say this is the first time I heard about it? Yes. This is the first time I heard about it, and I'll tell you why. Most of them, as is mentioned tonight, a phone call, 911, somebody gets arrested in the lot. Nobody mentioned it to me, I don't know. So yes, if you give me my advices and send an investigator every day for the next year, I promise you, I will be answering every case. Just somebody, I want somebody to show up with some paper showing, hey, here's a problem. What is that? I still don't know. I don't have any of that. So when I say this is the first time I hear about the 78 cases, yeah. This is the first time, and maybe that's why we spent that much time with Mr. Meyer, because I was shocked. I mean, he was so, I mean, he was hard on me. He said, Wally, I'm not on your side. I want to get that through. He's been coming to the business. So I went through this paper. Is it a shock that you were in front of the 18th Judicial District Judge? I never been to the judge. I never been to the court. I never dead because they never call me. That's what I'm saying.

So you're saying the chief is lying to us because he said that you were ordered to refrain from engaging in deceptive practices. He's not lying. And I'm not lying either.

I'm very honest with you. Something's not right here. Well, according to what we tried to find out with Mr. Meyer, and maybe that's why Mr. Meyer is very much trying to help me here. Maybe he feels bad for me because he found that himself. And hopefully Mr. Meyer has the Henry paper that we printed. I mean, you can show it to him.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. So, I mean, this is a lot of documents to share.

Thank you. Okay. Next is Councilman Brewster.

Do you have a storage warehouse on your facility?

Yeah.

Tax records say one General Auto Sales storage warehouse built in 1964, 2,688 feet. He's talking 1964. We were not thinking back then.

You see, when I say this is the first time, like this one is the first time, but I'm glad my employee, the office has a small garage, and then I have 6407. So if you are referring to the...

So you have 6407, too?

No, that's what we are talking about here. They are different LLC, has nothing to do with us or with 6405.

Jeremiah O'Sale, storage warehouse, 1964, 2688 feet.

That's the most current document.

Well, I mean, I'll show you, I'm very, very honest, according to my knowledge, that this is the first time somebody asked me this question. We have the office, we have another small office, we have a bathroom, and then we have a small garage in the back. If you are talking about the small garage, then the answer is yes. It's a small garage. It's a very, very small garage.

And do you do repairs on that?

Of course not. It's a very small garage. You cannot even get a car there.

COUNCILMAN MARS. YES. THANK YOU, WALLY, FOR COMING IN TODAY. WITH THIS STATE OF KANSAS VERSUS JACOB LUCKY, DID ANYBODY ELSE GO ON AND DOWNLOAD THIS? IT'S ONLINE. YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT TO. IT'S THE DISTRICT WHATEVER IT IS. So I downloaded it. I went and talked to a judge, all right? And I had, I'm sorry, I'm supposed to be asking him. I'm getting out. So with that case, with that case,

You're talking about the Jacob case.

The Jacob case. So you were one of the plaintiffs, right? The case is Jacob Lucky, 37 Auto Sales, and then you are like the secondary. Jacob Lucky as an individual and Wiley Sharp as an individual and 37 Auto Sales LLC as a business. 37 Auto Sales, LLC. Were you the owner of 37 Auto Sales, LLC? Who was the owner of that? Okay, is that on record with the state? Yeah. Yes, okay.

So what was your role there at 37 Auto Sales?

Additionally, you said you weren't, you did not come into court. And I see there is a list of journal entries for dismissal for lack of prosecution. And then there was a termination statistically on 12-19-2022 dismissed for lack of prosecution. So this case was dismissed. So additionally, this was, he signed a consent order. So did you sign a consent order?

Honestly, seven years ago, five years ago, I don't remember. I'm not really sure. Okay. But again, I don't remember. Yeah. Because I never went to court with this attorney. Okay. If the lawyer told me sign here, maybe I did. But I don't remember.

Okay. Thank you. And then in regards to the building next door, what is your relationship with the mechanic? Is he your employee? Is he on your payroll? No. Do you file him a W-2? No. Do you, is there some sort of verbal or contractual lease agreement? A verbal? I mean verbal. Verbal, okay. But, and, okay. And then, do you, does he have his own tools or do you supply his tools?

Of course he has. Here's the thing. Yeah. 30 years ago, I've been buying thousands and thousands of dollars of tools. Yeah. Every mechanic. So I decided eight years ago, no more buying tools. So if you have your tool, otherwise get out.

So it's a separate LLC. Yes. He's on his own EIN. Yes. Okay, he has his own tools. He works under his own direction? Yes. Okay. So he's not your employee? No. Okay. I think that answers that question. And then, so, hmm. I think that's all I have for now.

That's my word. So I have a question regarding the property over there, because if you look, that you write the contracts, you go in the office and write the contracts and all that stuff, right? Yep. So you do that in 6407, right? Nope, 6405. There is no 6405 except a bunch of cars.

Well, I mean, the building only- You go sit in the car and write the contracts?

i mean do you have guys any of you the picture of our building well if you look at the two buildings there's a building that sits right behind the cars and then you have the shop which as i'm sure you all know burned down can we get the plating up there or or gis up here please

Just one more question. Do you pay him if he does your warranty work for you?

I pay $4 or $7?

Yes.

No.

So he does the warranty work for free?

He'll have his own. I will see he...

But I understand that. But you have cars you sell with a 30-day warranty or whatever warranty on it that you paid 100%. Where does that get fixed?

Oh, I have like 7 million places in town, and I have the receipt for those. One of them in Penniston, one of them in Trudeau, one of them in Terry Transmission.

But she said her car was at the lot because she's getting tires and stuff put on it. But it's not, I mean, she says it's getting fixed there.

I will show her the receipt. It was a transmission. We brought it two days ago and Anyway, I was kind of thought what a coincidence that she showed up a few minutes after we brought the car. The car was at the transmission. The reason still at our lot and we did not give it to her because when it came to from transmission, the first thing she looked at the car, she said, I need a new tire. Well, it was Sunday, which is yesterday. Yesterday, today, Tuesday, right? Two days ago. Anyway, it was Sunday, and we told her, remember, the tire place is open. But honestly, today, with all what's going on at the meeting here, I was busy doing paperwork and all that, so I'm going to give her the new tires tomorrow. And again, I gave her my own car, the Mercedes, to use as a loan until I give her her card. And yes, the transmission fixed that. Okay.

All I wanted to know was who did the warranty work?

Dairy transmission.

All right.

Dairy transmission.

I hope everybody heard that.

That's with Mars.

Yeah. Thank you. So, Chief, how many cases were we at that was, we went down to, we were at 78 before. We were at 7. He said 10. I want to make sure we're clear on how many cases we were at that. were involving Mr. Sharp and, like, issues that were cut, cases cut. I believe you said seven. I don't want to put words in your mouth.

As far as what are we talking about?

Cases cut that were involving, like, complaints of civil disputes and things like that.

Well, we can, honestly, we can probably lump in your business complaints and your civil issues, which is going to bring you down to 27 complaints.

Okay, so Wally, Miss Hernandez, what's her name? Let me get the right name. So there is a Mrs. or Miss, I don't know.

I don't either. Let's just get over there.

Yaneli Hernandez, are you familiar with this situation that went on? Of course. Yes. Okay, so I want to point out that there's four of these cases that are all this one case basically. Okay, so what happened with that? Can we go through that? I see that there was, it sounded like a dispute over repo, repossession. Is that what happened?

I'll try to be short of the point because it's a very weird, strange story that I don't know if you're going to believe it or not, but I'm going to be short of the point. She came with her husband to buy a car. We sold them a Dodge Ram. She always cried. So she was crying, she wanted to buy a car. I said, okay, I'll get you the car, 300. She wanted a job. I said, okay, I will hire you. So we hired her. We sold her husband a car. I gave her prize worth 300. It was, I think, 2016. And she was working there. I'm glad. I think I have some papers, some document with a girl, another employee named Treasure. The conclusion, she said, they have a lawsuit. They are spitting money from the insurance company. And as soon she get way too much money, I think she was saying $70,000, she will pay us for that car. Besides that, I don't know if I can mention different subject, but the different subject, she keep crying. She want to borrow money. By the time she left, she had $12,000 borrowing, and I have it in the paper. When she borrowed the money, she say, my son is dying, and I need $3,000. And then I give her the $3,000. She come a week later, say, my son is like, he died. He's in ICU. And keep saying this stuff when they get sick of it, because I gave her $12,000, so and turned down to the office. And he said, listen, your wife, your daughter, this is what she said. He got mad like crazy. He said, our son never got sick. I have the paper. to a disaster, to a tornado. I mean, she was screaming like crazy because I told her dad, we pay her $10 an hour, and when she sell a car, we pay her the commission. She never sold a car, so the treasurer was doing everything. She eat too much there, sit and eat. I mean, they didn't say like, oh, anyway, that's not the subject. So when her dad and husband left, they were very, very mad. I am glad that still her husband called at that night. And he said, Wabi, I don't know what I can do with your $12,000. My son wasn't getting sick. Work something with her and get your money. But as far as that process ended, Can I make a payment? Because I need to use it to get my kids. I thought, now I've been waiting for you guys lying to me that you're gonna pay me off and she's gonna pay me the money back and now you're gonna make a payment? No, I want my car back. You don't want to pay me that well? You don't want to pay me for the car? And when I took it to the lawyer and the treasurer and everybody get involved again, we find out there is no lawsuit, there is no insurance, no nothing. So of course I called the police. No, what did I do? Yeah, I called, I can't remember, because that was a long time, that was like a year and a half ago, give me a second.

Well, we don't have to get into too much specifics here. This is very important because for me, I still don't. I want my money back. I'll tell you what happened. It was a civil dispute, and I think that's what matters. It's not a criminal dispute. And really, we're not here to discuss civil disputes. Okay. I just wanted to clarify that this is all one person. Okay. Did I have anything else? I think that's it for now.

Are there any other questions on the appellant? If not, we'll move on to the next item, which is, is there anyone else who would like to speak on this matter?

I didn't understand you. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

I know some already spoke on public concerns, but now's the time for, is there anyone else who would like to speak on this matter from the public? I see a hand. Sorry. Come up to the podium, please.

I have my name is Johnny I spoke earlier I'm working with Wally and I know for a fact that on 90% of us and well actually 100% of his cars anytime we go up and get one from the auction the first thing he has us do the first thing and it if you don't do it is he puts the code reader on there to make sure there was no issues and if there is he does not he will not tolerate with it and there was another instance I had a customer Beautiful car. Older gentleman came down, took a look at it. Immediately, once he noticed something was wrong, I took the issue to Wally. And, ma'am, he does do a 100% fix, no ask. He does hold up to his guarantee.

Thank you. Are there any other questions for him? Yes. You can speak later.

I can't question him?

Well, it's time for them to speak.

Yes, and then I can ask, when somebody's at the podium.

Your Honor, if it's okay, if he wants to question me on anything, by all means.

Yeah. Well, you said 100%. What do you mean by 100%? Could you explain that, please?

Whatever I say, I understand. It's like... If I was to give you, if I was to sell you a batch of apples and I was to say they're 100% good, there's no rotten whites.

No, I guess, I'm sorry, let me reframe my question. When you say 100%, you're basing it on warranty, right? So what does that mean? If you need transmission and it's $1,000, what does 100% mean?

That means if the transmission to be fixed for $1,000, I pay the whole $1,000. Okay. What does the state require?

Are there any other questions from the public? Or not questions, but would anybody from the public like to speak?

And by the way, if this link is here, we are not charging you for the transmission. We charge you $1,600. I did not charge you anything, right? Yeah, that's 100%. She's here, Matt. All right.

And I gave her a loan. All right, next item is floor is open to council members' comments or questions. Does a council member have a comment or question? Councilman Myers. Okay.

I want to start off by stating that I'm not here to defend Mr. Sharp or the city. I'm here to find the truth and ensure that our decision is based on facts and not opinions. If a criminal allegation is being made, then an arrest, trial, and conviction in courts is how justice in America works, not the city council. This is how our code is written as well. This is essentially a trial in a quasi-judicial hearing. This is about property rights and economic freedoms. Based on my investigation, the chief of police has no authority to deny this business license as the city code is currently written. The case referenced by the police chief is a consent judgment. This is not a conviction. I have confirmed this with a judge, with a Kansas judge. Josh, what is a consent judgment? Could you just explain that? Do you want me to explain what a consent judgment is? Just what a consent judgment is, a simple definition. Well, in a civil matter, when the parties agree to an outcome, they consent to it. Okay, so they're agreeing to the terms, basically, of a lawsuit, correct? Correct. They're agreeing to, to conclude it. Okay. So there's no guilt. There's no guilty. There's no conviction. It depends on what the, in a civil order like this would depend on what the order itself states. Okay. Um, and did you review this case?

I have reviewed the consent order. Yes.

Okay. So does that is, is Wally, uh, was there a conviction where he's guilty?

It was not a criminal matter.

Okay, it was not a criminal matter. Okay, thank you. So we don't have a criminal matter. Okay, thank you. Per the Chief of Police, we are here to discuss his only authority to deny the business license, City Code 5-109. Please take a minute to review 5-109, Section H. Um, so with that, it is only if he is convicted in court. Okay. And he has not been convicted in court. Okay. We are not here to discuss complaints. That is not what the council's job is. Okay. Um, The case is cited as a civil case, not a criminal. No conviction was made on either plaintiffs. There was time served. The time served was in contempt of court. So what happened was his boss, Mr. Lucky, made this consent agreement, which I guess what it was is that he didn't show up to court, and that's what it was. And he got held in contempt of court, and that's why there was a sentencing on that. But that has nothing to do with Mr. Sharp. The only mechanism the police of chief can revoke or deny a license is if they are convicted in a Kansas court, and this is not the case here. I already did the auto. Okay. Once again, 7405 is the address on file for Crown General Auto. As I substantiated that it is an auto sales, not a mechanic shop. It's not on the vehicle license or the vehicle, sorry, not on the business license. 6407 is the address of the garage mechanic shop next door. There have been stolen vehicles recovered from 6407 in the auto shop. and all have been located in the neighboring building that has historically been rented by a mechanic and operated under their own separate LLC using their own tools, not an employee of Crown Auto General Sales. Regardless, there have been no criminal convictions of these recovered vehicles against Mr. Sharp. And from what I understand, there's been no criminal convictions of any stolen vehicles from this location, correct? Has there been any criminal convictions of any vehicles stolen from this location? I can't speak to that. You don't have research on all that. But has your department booked anybody for stolen vehicles? I know you've recovered them, but have you booked anybody in our police department?

Oh, there's one in particular that Okay. And how we were at the jail, and I know that we ended up having to get the keys from her at the jail. Okay. We were involved in the arrest process. Whether or not we were the actual signatory on the booking form, I can't tell you.

Okay, okay, but not Mr. Sharp. Okay, thank you. We've already established that the 78 cases cut is not really, or you explained that very well. Thank you for clarity on that. They're just 911 calls is what these are. Some of them include routine traffic stops, a homeless person being detained, Wally being robbed. So a lot of these 78 is Wally is the victim. He's been robbed multiple times.

Do you have the case number on where he was robbed? Where the titles were robbed. Yeah. Oh, you mean burglary. Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm thinking robbery. It's a completely different crime. Oh, I'm sorry. Wrong terminology. Burglary and theft. Burglary. Okay, so he was burglaried. And I will say that any burglary or theft that's occurred within the last few weeks since this...

this was denied has not been included in these numbers so the fire the burglary the other issues fire the burglary that still does not give you authority because nobody's have been tried and convicted in court has everybody reviewed i think what the city code reads under under section like take a minute please everybody on council read city code 501 or 5-109h and what does it start off with let me pull it up I'm sorry I have a lot of documents here apologize I'll just read your counsel at this point 5-109 if you look at the title it's revocation let me make a clarification to maybe my brain wasn't thinking that day when I wrote that letter

Down at the bottom, if you look down at the memo that I sent to Ms. Fulton regarding the reasons that we denied this, down at the very bottom is what Mr. Meyer is referring to. And what I'm referring to in the letter, it says, we were not aware of this order while the dealership was last open for business under general auto sales. Otherwise, we would have likely revoked the license for the repeated course of conduct with the consumer complaints, civil issues over vehicles, and the license tag violations that would be under 5-109H for revocation of those items. This is being denied under 5-105 where it says the chief of police or his or her designee that we have to certify that the applicant is in compliance with existing codes and regulations and has no legal background issues that prohibit operation of such business. It says nothing about convictions. It says nothing about anything else. There is a significant legal issue. I'm speaking right now, Mr. Myers.

It's my time.

There is no conviction. There is no requirement for a conviction here. All this is is this is a requirement that he has background issues that may prohibit operation of such business. Don't get me wrong. Wally is a very nice guy. I've known him for years. I've been on the street here since he's been selling cars for a long time. Very nice guy. I have no doubt that he's a nice guy. I know that for a fact. He's always been cooperative with the police, always helped us out with things. But I will tell you that there are things in there that we have had contact with him, whether we've never brought him down here and put him in interrogation chair and like that. So if that's what he's thinking would be involved in the case, that's just not what happened. So. That is the grounds for the denial, 5-105. It is written in city code. It is right there in black and white. It tells the responsibilities of the city clerk's office. It tells the responsibilities of the public works department, and it tells the responsibilities of the police department. I did my job here. It's been recommended for denial. I denied it. Now, at this point, we're not asking council to rewrite the code denied or anything. We're asking you to simply make a determination as to whether you're going to affirm that denial or you're gonna reverse the denial and allow him to have his business license.

Chief, when you read that section, it says that it's going to... Are you trying to say that this is going to create an extraordinary impact on law enforcement services? Is that what you're trying to claim? That is not what I said, sir. I'm reading from... You stopped reading the sentence halfway through, sir. The rest of the sentence goes on to talking about how it can't... Because then it goes on in the next section about how if there is... Hang on one second. Let me collect this. That... that they have to pay an extra fee if there is law enforcement costs. In Section 104 , that the chief of police that you will investigate a background of any person, right, and then that any business within the chief determines that it will overwhelm the city's law enforcement department either will through actual operations of such business or collateral efforts directly associated with such business will be denied a permit to operate until such business enters an agreement with the city to underwrite a reasonable law enforcement cost So that just says that he just has to, if you're trying to say that it costs too much money and time and city staff time that we would have to have him pay you, that's what this is saying. Is that in my memo? No. I must have missed that part. Okay. It has nothing to do with volume. I think this is a misunderstanding. I think this is a misunderstanding of what our code is. Our code is not to dispute civil disputes. No, it's not. It's for criminal. And he's not a criminal. And that is the end of this conversation, if you ask me. As long as we can prove that he is not criminal, okay? His case was dismissed. It was a civil case. All I see is civil. Even in the meeting with the lieutenant and new chief, he said that everything here was civil, and then he tried to pin the two Sedgwick County cases as being criminal, and I couldn't find any information about them being criminal. and there was no charges against Wiley, or he'd be arrested. If we want to start enforcing our businesses through a witch hunt, then that's not how this council should operate. The chief has no grounds to deny based on claiming that there's a record. There's nothing in there that says it. It's the revocation part. That is where he has authority. You have authority to revoke a license. I do. You do, absolutely. And that part is in 105.9 for revocation. Okay? It's not in the licensing part of the top. Yeah, you do a background check and all that stuff, but it doesn't say that you can take it away. The only part that it says that you can take it away is that there's a conviction, and there's no conviction. Okay? That's how our code is written. Once again, we are here to discuss how the code is written, not some made-up, you know, misinterpretations of the code. It's not fair what we're doing to Wiley here. And then you want to bring these 18 cases of complaints. Where are they? This is counsel. We have 500 papers in our documents, and those all should have been attached, okay? Okay, what else? So bottom line is there's nowhere in our documents

in 50 achieve what where are you referencing again 5-105 for this registration certificate to be issued okay show issue video and then it's just as as ms fulton explained earlier that the the public works department has to sign off on it zoning has to sign off on it we have to sign off on it and the last signature is the city attorney so you think that his legal background issues will prohibit operation of such business is that what you're trying to say It could have an effect, yes, and it does have an effect. On what legal background? On civil cases? On the background that it's in the code that we need to make, that's my job, is to make sure that there's no legal background issues that prohibit operation of such business.

And that no business shall create an extraordinary impact upon law enforcement.

That's not what you're saying.

So you're not saying it's going to be an extra. Okay. Okay. So are the legal background issues that he has criminal? They're not. They're not criminal. Okay.

So the city is now enforcing civil cases. Is that what we're doing here? The city's not enforcing anything. The city's denying a business license.

Based on civil cases?

Based on background issues that prohibit operation of such business.

That are civil of matter, correct?

Well, they're all legal issues, whether they're civil, criminal, or administrative. Again, we're just asking council to either affirm the denial or reject the denial. I have nothing against Mr. Sharp. He's an extremely nice guy. All I'm doing is going strictly by the code. If there's an issue with the way the code is written or somebody has a problem with that, he probably needs to come together and discuss that and figure that out, and then we get it changed. But that's not what we're here to decide tonight. And out of the last 15 years that I've been the chief, I think I've denied two business licenses. This is the second one.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Chief. There are significant inconsistencies in what we're hearing from different sides. And Mr. Myers, yes, you're right. This is a consent judgment, a consent judgment to prevent finalizing it in court and being found possibly guilty. Mr. Sharp agreed to this consent and in this consent he agreed to pay a fine so that he wouldn't have to go to court and we didn't talk about all that and you're acting as though this is not an issue there's an issue in here that says he committed a deceptive act failure to state material fact 14b also failure to make state of material fact committed deceptive act and he agreed to the fine what we're here for is not civil is not whether it's a criminal, we're simply here, are we going to agree with the administration here to deny this business based on history? And the history that we're shown is incongruent with some of the things that you and Mr. Sharp and some of his constituents are saying are going on. We're seeing two different sides here. We have to make a decision.

Yeah.

I'm not sure I'd want to do business with somebody that has this kind of issues. That's my opinion. And I don't think we'd want to subject our constituents to that either. I think the chief's trying to keep our community safe. And that's what I see going on here. And I'd like to see us keep our community as safe as possible. Yes, I want to bring in businesses. Yes, I want to keep businesses. Two, he said in 15 years, he has denied. There's a reason for it. There's a reason that Mr. Sharp paid the fine. Let's get on with business. Thank you for that.

So...

lost my chance though i'm sorry um yeah i digress are there any other council members i'd like to uh or have any comments or questions before we move on to our motion has everybody looked at these files i mean how many people have really seen these documents i feel like this is not a fair trial in that We're not even all looking at everything. I have a lot. I'm sorry?

There is no trial.

This is absolutely a trial. This is a quasi-judicial hearing. We are making a ruling that is going to be legal. Am I correct, Josh, in what I'm saying here? Is this a quasi-judicial hearing that is basically somewhat of a court hearing?

Yeah, so council sits and either makes decisions regarding legislation or they make decisions regarding things of this nature. So it is a quasi-judicial hearing.

That's correct.

Okay. I have my thoughts to you there again. Yes, absolutely. I want Hayesville to be safe. Okay. I agree. We all want Hayesville to be safe. That's not what I'm trying to bring here. What I'm trying to show here is that the court case, I mean, this is years ago, first off, and How far back are we going to go to where? And it wasn't him. It was his boss that got in trouble. How many times have people been to court and they get an option to get out and not have to continue with the trial? And it's easy way out. It's a civil case, right? That his boss was the one who got found with all of these huge fines. It wasn't him that had to pay all this. And the bottom line is we don't have all the documents. I needed to go, I was going to go to the courts today and get the rest of the documents because I need clarity on that there's a case dismissal here too.

I think you're misreading it. It says defendant Wallace Sharp agrees to pay yada, yada, yada.

Where is that? I don't have that.

Page six.

Of which document?

The electronically filed document from the 18th Judicial District. Okay.

The one that I see is not. Number 31. You have it? Yeah. Consent judgment. Okay. Great to see it. Yes. Okay.

All right. Any other comments or questions before we move on to our motion? I thought I would entertain a motion to either affirm the denial or overturn the denial of business registration and permit yet.

You may like to make a motion, one or the other. Councilman Walters? I make a motion we confirm the denial of business license. Second.

We have a motion and a second to affirm the denial of business license as presented. Any further discussion? Question, please. Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes.

Hebert? Yes. Cogar? Yes. Martin? Yes. Miners? Yes. Thompson?

Yes.

Okay, motion passes to affirm the denial of business license. That's about two hours. Council, need a break?

I'll make a motion to take a 10-minute break. Second.

That motion is seconded to take a 10-minute break. Any discussion? Questions?

Yes.

Yes. Yes.

All right, everybody is back.

All right, we'll start back up on item three, introduction of ordinances and resolutions. A, resolution on the city of Paceville, Kansas, authorizing a conditional use to permit construction and operation of the convenience store on property generally located at the northwest corner of 79th Street South and South Broadway.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. The memo for this conditional use was updated this afternoon, so it's not available online. If anyone in the audience would like to copy, I have some. So this conditional use was first reviewed by the Planning Commission at a public hearing on July 23rd. And at that meeting, the Commission tabled the case until the applicant could submit a site plan that showed compliance with the recommended conditions in the staff report for this conditional use permit. The applicant submitted a partially compliant site plan dated August 3rd and the Planning Commission reviewed it at its August 27th meeting where they recommended approval of the conditional use provided that the applicant redesigned the site plan to be in total compliance with all recommended conditions and conducted a field study of wells in the area. So following the commission's recommendation, the applicant did not revise their site plan or agree to conduct the field study of wells prior to this city council meeting. The applicant has expressed concerns about the necessity of a field study because the Kansas Geological Survey, or KGS, makes well locations publicly available. The KGS well information was also provided to the Planning Commission and it's attached to this memo as a well map. It should be the last page on your benches there. The applicant also contacted local surveying companies regarding the field study requirement, and several of those surveyors identified the KGS as a reputable source for well location information. However, the surveyors also stated that conducting a field study would provide an additional method of identifying these wells in the area. The applicant has also expressed concerns that neighboring property owners may not allow a surveyor to access their property to conduct a field study. To reaffirm the applicant's statement, staff did contact the vice president of survey at PEC. PEC confirmed that wells installed by reputable companies are reported or generally reported to KGS, so they would show up on the database and that well map. However, PEC also noted that the area is agricultural and many property owners may have installed wells themselves. These would not have been reported to KGS most likely. Based on this information, staff believes that a field study would provide additional verification of well locations that may not be reflected on that KGS database. The applicant has also requested that the condition requiring any gas station canopies to be located behind the building be removed from the conditional use permit. The planning commission discussed this condition and agreed to remove it, but it didn't end up in the formal motion adopted by planning commission. So it's still one of the conditions unless removed by city council. So staff is recommending based on the information we've got from the applicant and reaffirmed from PEC that city council amend and adopt the planning commission's recommendations. Specifically, we're recommending to remove that requirement for the gas station canopies to be located behind the building from condition number six and retaining the requirement for certified topographical wealth survey while allowing wells on neighboring properties to be excluded from the 500 foot setback. If the property owner does not consent to the survey. So the conditions as amended are listed in your memo. The underlying portions indicate stuff that was added to the staff report conditions. and the strike-through indicates what was removed. The applicant is available on Zoom to answer any questions you may have, and then I can stand for them as well.

Are there any questions for the applicant or Kayla?

Councilman Walters? How do you enforce that the site, the two requirements that you levied against them are going to be completed?

What was that, Danny?

How are you going to ensure that they comply with the two other requirements that they still have?

For the two that I'm recommending? Yeah. That would be through the final site plan approval. They would have to get that topographical well survey done and certified by a license. If they did not complete that, we would not approve a building permit. The zoning administrator, me, and the building inspector both sign off on building permits, so if they didn't submit that, I wouldn't sign off on it.

I guess one other question. Contamination, can you talk a little bit about it? I know there's a 500-foot rule. Where did that come from and how valuable is that?

That came from when I was researching convenience stores and any reasonable conditions I can be placed on them. That is a condition that I saw in other cities' zoning regulations. I'm not familiar with the environmental research behind that.

Councilperson, pardon?

The first problem I have with this is most of the time when a gas station goes in on the corner like that, most everybody else is on city water. These guys have wells. That's my concern. And then they also didn't do the revised site plan or conduct a fill before coming to city council. So what else are they going to slip off?

Anything else from Mars?

Yes, Kalen, in regards, I watched all the meetings and there was discussion about changing it to be on condition four in regards to the wells that the remediation monitoring requires rights, geothermal test and other, and most of them are testing wells from what I understand, correct, that are on this?

The closest wells are testing wells.

The closest wells are testing wells. These testing wells are not being pulled off of, correct? Like they're just doing samples, right?

I'm not familiar with that.

Okay, so yeah, I mean, these testing wells are just for sampling, right? There's nobody drinking out of these wells. So, yeah, that's all I have for questions. Yeah. Okay.

Any other council members have a question for Kevin or the developer?

Hmm.

If not, would somebody like to make a motion?

Yeah. I just wanted to open some discussion. Um, so, you know, some of the things that I've, I've found that like there is a 10 foot water table here. BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO INSTALL A BELOW GROUND. HANG ON. LET ME JUST START OVER. THERE'S A 10-FOOT WATER TABLE. THERE ARE VALID ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, BUT THESE ARE HEAVILY REGULATED AND NO DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER GAS STATIONS IN THE CITY. I DID SPEAK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND OUR ENGINEER ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ABOVE GROUND STORAGE TANKS AS ANOTHER OPTION. to be a little bit less environmental impact. But then the engineer wrote back basically saying that first, they're not a standard practice, okay? And then there are drawbacks to having flammable tanks above ground that can outweigh the environmental benefits versus traditionally below ground storage. So that's off the table basically. For rainwater and drainage, I know that was some concerns of some people. Um, there is a required rainwater drainage plant as part of this process. So that is already a controlled part of the process. On lighting, we do have existing codes around lighting, that it should not be shining onto adjoining properties. One of these cases actually, going back to Wally's thing, was actually somebody complaining about the sign brightness, and the police go out and they'll check the brightness of it. So that is a valid concern, but we have constraints around that already, okay? Surface spills is another valid one. And I actually have a question for the staff. Tony, I'm not sure if you know this one or not. Is there a required, or Kaylin for that matter, is there a required runoff grease trap, oil trap in like the paddock area, the paved area?

would apply to like a food service facility i think what you're referencing would be a water gas separator the conditional use is just thinking the use of the property once the engineer design plans the building permit the site plan and the drainage report are submitted to my office pec and kaylin for review that's when we look at where the storm water goes and see what the risk is if there is an issue with the tank or something a car spills where is it going without having all the data know where the storm water is going We can't say we'll require it, but it'll definitely be evaluated.

Okay. Absolutely. Is that something that we could require at this point?

It's already required. You cannot put petroleum chemicals in the stormwater system and our sanitary systems.

So there's already existing constraints and regulations that will govern this. Right. We don't need to add additional.

Yeah, so I'll give you an example of what I'll call my own case law. We've had an industrial property in town probably five, ten years ago. We were tracing back some chemical additives to our wastewater system. A lot of extensive labor to start popping manholes to see where this was coming from. They eventually identified where it was coming from, and they were actually laundering heavy-duty uniforms from Conwell Air Force Base. It was upsetting our bugs and our wastewater treatment plant. So at that point, once we identified the source, we notified them by administrative letter, If you're in violation of the city code, shut it down.

Okay. And that was for sewer, but very similar in what you're saying that there's enforcement. Okay. Thank you. In regards to traffic, the road is due for a widening, and this progress will help speed that up. Many of these concerns with traffic comes along with living on a highway. I live on Meridian. You know, I live 700 feet from a gas station. Some homes are 200 feet from it that back it. For me, living near a gas station is a convenience, and I enjoy having it close by to me. There were concerns about alcohol sales. Quick Shop has alcohol sales, 700 feet from my house. i haven't really had had issues with it uh chief have there been issues with quick shop the gas stations with alcohol sales like i i don't know is there is that a concern of yours i guess is the question no we don't have any complaints or any issues right okay um okay so with conditional uses we need to take everybody's property rights into account Council and planning work to identify issues and mitigate concerns of surrounding property owners while supporting property rights of those seeking to invest and help improve our community. Ultimately, this is a gas station on a state highway that receives a lot of traffic and will conduct a lot of business that will benefit the city. This 12-acre lot is ripe for commercial development and could be a great little new shopping center, and I look forward to this project and further development and hope the council supports this new expansion of business in Hazel. Does anybody else have any comments? I was going to make a amendment and a motion.

Any other comments before we go to a motion?

Yes, there were, as I understand it, a significant number of people who signed the petition against this. And as the gentleman mentioned, bringing revenue into the city, it would just simply redistribute it because we have another gas station a mile away. That plus concerns about environment, people are on well water versus the other ones are mostly city water. I think this is just not appropriate for this particular area. represent us, do us right.

Are there any other comments? Would anybody like to make a motion? Councilperson Barton?

I make a motion we deny the conditional use permit. Second.

We have a motion and a second to deny the Planning Commission's recommendation. Any further discussion? Question, please.

Brewster?

Yes.

Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes. Hewer? Yes. Quoted? Yes. Pardon? Yes. Myers? No.

No.

Mayer?

Yes. So the motion passes to deny the permit. All right, next we have item B, resolution determining the advisability of the making of certain internal improvements in the city of Hazelwood, Kansas, making certain findings with respect thereto and authorizing and providing for the making of the improvements in accordance with such findings. Paving improvements, Wheatland Village, edition phase two. We have Brett Schofran here with Steeple.

Yes, good evening, Mr. Mayor, ladies and gentlemen, the Council. Brett Schofran with Steeple Public Finance in Wichita, financial advisor of the city. It's good to be back. Really, items B, C, D, E, and F are kind of all related. Um, and and they kind of run together, so I'll kind of talk about all of those and I'll make it pretty brief. I know it's been a long meeting tonight. Uh, but these are related to the temporary financing general obligation, temporary notes series a 2026. they're funding. 2 primary projects 1 of them is for the Southwest interceptor wastewater project approximately 8.3Million dollars. and the second project is the Wheatland Village phase two projects, approximately 1,637,000. Those are paving improvements, sanitary sewer improvements, and water improvements for that particular development. To fully fund the projects, provide capitalized interest, and cost of issuance, we're estimating the total size of the node issue at 10,655,000. There's some economies of scale Lumping in both of these projects together and so it's an opportune time to do that we have developed the preliminary official statement and submitted it to Moody's for an underlying credit rating on the notes Once all due diligence is completed and we finalize all the documents will submit to potential purchasers and underwriters The last resolution in this section that you'll authorize sets a temporary note sale date of October 13th at 10 a.m. On that date, we will open the bids and verify them for accuracy and find the best bid that provides the lowest true interest cost to the city. I will be here to attend your meeting that evening and present the results of the sale and have you consider accepting the best bid and adopting the note resolution. Once adopted, we'll assemble the transcript and provide that to the Attorney General's Office for approval, and the issue is scheduled to close on November 4th. After all projects are completed and final costs are known, probably sometime in 2028, the city will sell and issue general obligation bonds, the long-term bonds, usually 20-year bonds, once the final costs are known for each project. The Wheatland Village projects, that portion of the projects and the payments will be special assessed to those property owners benefiting from that benefit district. I would be happy to stay for any questions you may have. Any questions for Brett? If not, there are many resolutions to be adopted, but they all are for the temporary note sale. Items B through F. Councilman Walters.

Yes, I'll make a motion if it's legal or not to bundle the Bravo through Foxtrot. And we can't do that. All right, I'll make a motion to adopt the Bravo then. Resolution. To adopt it, to redo it. Agree to the resolution.

Second. We have a motion and a second to approve the resolution determining the advisability of making a certain internal improvements to the city of Paceville, Kansas, making certain findings with respect thereto and authorizing and providing for the making of the improvements in accordance with such findings, paving improvements, Wheaton Village, addition phase two. Thank you, Mayor. Indeed. Any discussion? Question, please. Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Varden? Yes.

Ewer? Yes. Clover? Yes. Clark? Yes.

The next one deals with sewer. So this is item C, resolution determining the advisability of the making of certain internal improvements in the city of Paceville, Kansas. Making certain findings with respect thereto and authorizing and providing for the making of improvements in accordance with such findings. Sanitary sewer improvements, Wheatland Village, addition phase two. Councilperson Park.

Make a motion, what you just said.

Second. We have a motion and a second to approve the resolution as presented. Is there any further discussion? Question, please. Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes.

Stewart? Yes. Cozier? Yes. Hartman? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson?

Yes.

All right, next item D deals with water improvements. It's a resolution determining the advisability of the making of certain internal improvements in the city of Paceville, Kansas, making certain findings with respect thereto and authorizing and providing for the making of the improvements in accordance with such findings. Water improvements, Wheatland Village, edition phase two. I'm sorry. I saw you reach. I was reaching. I make a motion how you stated it.

I make the motion to how you stated it.

A second. We have a motion and a second to approve the resolution as presented. Any further discussion? Question, please. Brewster? Yes.

Walters? Yes. Rodden? Yes. Hewer? Yes. Clodier? Yes. Harding? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson? Yes.

All right, next item E, this deals with wastewater. Resolution authorizing and providing for payment of the cost of certain improvements, including the multi-year capital improvement plan for the city of Hayesville, Kansas, wastewater project. Councilperson Parton?

So moved.

We have a motion and a second to approve the resolution as presented. Any further discussion? Question, please.

Brewster. Yes. Walters. Yes. Gardner. Yes. Ewer. Yes. Clover. Yes. Hardin. Yes. Myers. Yes. Yes.

All right, next is the temporary notes. Item F, resolution authorizing the offering for sale of general obligation temporary notes, series A, 2026, of the City of Haysville, Kansas. So moved. Councilman Walters. Yes. We have a motion and a second to approve the resolution as presented. Any further discussion? Question, please. Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes.

Hewer? Yes. Clothier? Yes. Hartman? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson?

Yes. All right. Thank you, Brett. Well done. Thank you. All right. Next, we have item four, notices and communications. A, governing body announcements. Does anybody have any announcements?

I apologize, I don't have a library this week, so I apologize about that.

I have one job. We have a library board next week. Yeah, I do have one.

Yeah, so Air Force is in town. We got McConnell. We have the open house and air show. October 24th and 25th, free admission. You get to see the Thunderbirds. I actually saw some of the Thunderbirds flying in today, so I'm really excited about that. And then OxyCAM CIG meeting. Is that tomorrow? It's tomorrow at 615 at the Learning Center. And that's all I have.

Anybody else? All right. Councilman Walters? I guess we'd be remiss if the state fair is going on. Yes. What, 10 days, something like that?

Until Sunday.

Until next Sunday, yeah. All right, I have some Senior Center announcements. Upcoming events, avoiding scams presentation, September 17th. The 70s party dinner, the 18th. Book club brainstorm meeting, September 22nd. Medicare options presentation, September 24th. A day trip to Oklahoma City on Saturday, October 10th. They're going to be visiting the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum, Toby Keith's I Love This Bar and Grill, Skeletons Museum of Oscitology and Smokey Pokey's. The bus fee is $60. Mission fees are additional charge for current members only. Sign up started on the 3rd, September 3rd. All right, it's about ongoing programs, coffee and conversation, games, bingo, exercise classes, Alzheimer's support group, crafting club, and line dancing.

Line dancing looks like it's a pretty popular class.

Yeah, it is. All right, next we have item B, an email from Sedgwick County Election Commissioner Laura Rainwater. This is regarding advisory elections. You can tell by the memo that advisory elections are not permitted. Thank you. Item C, Sedgwick County Fire Department Station 34, a monthly report. It's in your packet. Item D, email from Cox Communications regarding Spectrum's acquisition of Cox Communications. And Item E, memo regarding new business licenses.

There's a lot.

Which is good. I like it when businesses come. All right, Item 5, old business. We have none. Item 6, other business. A, revenue neutral rate public hearing.

Can I step back just a second? When these come through, Are these all new licenses? Renewals. Or is it renewals?

They should be primarily renewed. I'm looking for the list.

Okay. I'm just.

There are times when people wait to renew. There's some fines associated with it that wait longer. But most of these are. Okay. Not renewal. Thank you.

Okay, so item A, revenue neutral rate public hearing. A resolution of the city of Paisville, Kansas to levy a property tax rate exceeding the revenue neutral rate. So I do have another public hearing script I will be going through for the revenue neutral rate. I now formally open the revenue neutral rate public hearing on the proposed 2027 budget. Do any members of the audience wish to speak concerning the proposed mill rate? The revenue neutral rate is 37.417, and the proposed mill rate is 39.685. Seeing none, move on to the next item, which is council discussion. Does council have anything they would like to discuss? Seeing none, we will move on to, I would entertain a motion on the revenue and mutual rate, the resolution that is in the council packet. Anybody have an example motion? Yes.

a motion to approve resolution. I move to exceed the revenue neutral rate and adopt a resolution of the city of Hayesville, Kansas to levy a property tax rate exceeding the revenue neutral rate.

We have a motion. Is there a second?

Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve the resolution as presented. Any discussion? Questions, please.

Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes. Ewer? Yes. Clother? Yes. Martin? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson? Yes.

I now formally close the revenue neutral rate public hearing for the proposed 2027 budget. Next we have item B, a budget public hearing. A, consideration of the proposed 2027 budget. I have another public hearing script for this. I now formally open the public hearing on the proposed 2027 budget. Do any members of the audience wish to speak for or against the proposed budget? Not seeing any. If there are no other members of the audience wishing to speak on the budget, I now formally close the public hearing for the proposed 2027 budget. Is there any discussion from council? If not, I would entertain a motion to adopt the 2027 proposed budget.

we approve the 2027 budget. Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve the 2027 budget. Any discussion? Question, please.

Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Rodman? Yes. Hewer? Yes. Klobber? Yes. Harder? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson?

Yes. All right, thank you. Next, we have item C, consideration of pay chart revisions effective January 2027. Wilton?

And what's in the packet is the pay chart that was used in the creation of the 2027 budget. So we're just asking that you would approve this pay chart and the changes that are in it to be made effective January 3rd, 2027, which is the first day of the first full pay period in 2027.

Councilman Marks.

Thank you, Will. The only, I guess, comment was, and maybe it's a question, really, that, you know, you posted that spreadsheet. Is this because you already presented the comparison last time that you're not going to show the comparison again this time?

Yeah, we'll do the presentation in July. Yeah, I remember that. If there's any questions, I can pull it up.

No, I know it was back in July. I was just, you know, that was just a point. Like, I guess you needed to get approved, and that's why it was just that and not a... last year, this year, so we can see the difference. Okay. Yeah. Councilperson Collier?

I was just going to make a motion to approve the pay chart revisions. Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve the pay chart revisions effective on the date that was stated, as presented. Any discussion? Question, please.

Pardon? Yes. Myers?

Yes.

Thompson? Yes.

We have item D, consideration of job description changes.

I am recommending some changes to five different job descriptions in here, changing some of the titles. If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you.

Anybody have any questions for Angie? All the descriptions are in our packet. If not, would somebody like to make a motion? Councilperson Clothier?

Yeah, I can make a motion if there's no questions to approve the job description changes as presented.

Second. We have a motion. We have a motion and a second to approve the job description changes as presented. Any discussion? Question, please.

Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes. Seymour? Yes. Clother? Yes. Martin? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson? Yes.

Next, item E, consideration of solar panels.

One moment. All right, I hope they're still in order. Good evening. The city began evaluating solar projects in 2017-2019 and revisited the possibility in 2021, but the projected payback periods at the time did not make the projects financially advantageous. Since then, the economics have improved after the federal clean energy incentive became available to municipalities. That allowed us to reconsider solar as a financially viable long-term investment. We are now seeking approval of the solar project at City Hall, the Police Department, and at Hayesville Activity Center. Before issuing the request for proposals, we provided potential vendors with every available averaging bill that the city had so they could review our actual electrical usage and identify the facilities where solar would provide the best financial benefit. These three facilities were identified before the RFP was issued. The city issued the RFP on July 22nd of 2026. That included a mandatory site visit on August 13th, and the bid letting was held on September 1st. The RFP was provided to five prospective bidders. Hutton Energy Services submitted a proposal for all three facilities. Barclays Solar submitted a proposal for City Hall only, and the other three vendors did not submit a proposal. Based on those proposals, Hutton was identified as the best bidder through the RFP process. Hutton's solar pricing was $143,550 for City Hall, $169,690 for the Police Department, and $317,768 for the Activity Center. That brings a total solar cost of $631,008. rfp also recognized that the city hall roof needed repair and we specifically called out an alternative pricing for a highly reflective white tpo roof system during the site visits roofing contractors took core samples of this roof and after the bid letting the ripping contractors reviewed the cores and identified that this building already has two rip systems on it they highly suggested not to put a third system on it and that they actually recommended a full replacement This information was received after the RFP process and indicated that City Hall needed a complete roof replacement rather than a TPL alternative that was described in the RFP. And because Hutton was already identified as the best bidder, the City discussed the new roof information with Hutton. We then asked Hutton to obtain two competitive bids from roofing contractors for the complete removal and replacement of the roof here. They supplied a bid of the best bid of $110,000. We are recommending the full roof replacement because the existing roof needs to be removed. We do not want to put solar panels on a roof that has not been fully replaced. We want it to last with the entire solar system. Coordinating the full roof replacement and solar installation now avoids that disruption in the future and also the additional expense. The proposed solar uses bifacial panels, which produce electricity from sunlight reaching top and the bottom of it. The highly reflective roof allows the sunlight to shine on the bottom of the solar panels. Here's the important part if you haven't listened to me yet, which I don't blame you. The city may recover a portion of the eligible solar project cost through their federal investment tax credit using elective pay. Because the reflective roof supports the operation of bifacial panels, additional cost of the reflective roof compared with a standard roof replacement may also qualify for the credit final eligibility and payment options or amounts will be confirmed through the federal review process that's my fine print hudson's total recommended award is seven hundred and forty one thousand eight dollars for three solar installations and the full city hall roof replacement Based on Hutton's incentive assumptions, the city could receive approximately $252,000 for the three solar installations and an additional $33,000 for the full roof replacement. This could result in a total elective payment of $285,000, which would then bring our total project cost down to $455,644.80. We're seeking approval of the Hutton Energy Services for all three solar projects and the full replacement of the City Hall roof for a total amount of $741,008. This project will be paid from capital improvement funds. Does it stand for any questions?

Any questions for Tony? Councilman Myers?

First, I want to say thank you, Tony. When I first came on council, we talked about this. And I kind of fired it back up with you and thank you, Mr. Mayor and will for, for getting behind it as well. Um, I think that this is definitely a step in the right direction for the city and it's going to save us tax money in the long run. It's going to save us a lot of money. Um, I guess my one question would be. With that. And this is on this year's budget or next year's budget.

How does it like what this, this project is in the RP is to be finished by the end of this year.

Okay. So it's already in this year's budget, right? Or it's, it's using the existing funds.

It's in capital improvements, cashflow. that I keep, so yeah.

Okay, okay. Yeah, and then with that, so with that $285,000, we're just going to put it back in that fund. Is that how that works? Yes. Okay. Cool.

With the federal program, rebate program, the city has to pay 100% of the funds back, and when we don't file taxes but file taxes, we then get that rebate back.

Gotcha. That makes sense. Yeah, it's a tax rebate for a city. I get what you're saying. Okay. And that is done with as of this is the end of it this year is the end of it So next year they won't be at one correct so far so far Yeah Okay, I think that was my only questions about it and thank you for doing this project I

It's something we've been working on for several years. Yeah, yeah. We've gotten to the point where it made sense to move forward with this.

I'm aware there was prior bids.

It takes a long time.

I guess I brought up that it was sun setting. That's what it was, right? Yeah.

Councilman Brewster.

Tony, thank you for your due diligence on this, and I'm glad we can move that ball forward. It's pretty exciting, so I'm looking forward to that. Thank you.

Thank you. Councilperson Barton.

If there's no other questions, I'll make a motion. We approve the HUD and Energy Services for all three solar projects and the floor replacement for the city hall roof and the total amount of $741,008 must be paid out of capital improvements. Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve the solar panel program. That's what it is.

I think we might have missed my light there, but I did also appreciate what you had. I had one quick question. I may have missed it, but what's the time frame for the ROI? Nine years. Nine years.

Yeah, so previously when we looked at previous years, the big years I told you about, they were looking at like 15, 16, 17-year payoff. With this rebate program, it's nine years. I think City Hall was the highest at 9.96, but that also did not include the 30% to 40% we get off for the full replacement of the repeater. Thanks. Thank you. Sorry to interrupt you.

Yeah, while you're here. Any other, we have a motion and a second. Any other discussion? What's the place?

Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes. Hewer? Yes. Hogan? Yes. Martin? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson?

Yes. All right, consideration of bids for the Southwest Sanitary Sewer Interceptor.

So we're also seeking approval of bids for the Southwest Sanitary Sewer Interceptor Project. You may remember this project will add sanitary sewer capacity to the west and southwest portions of Hayesville. It will allow us to eliminate the South Hampton lift station. By that, we'll be conveying wastewater through a gravity-fed sewer system to the wastewater treatment plant. The bid letting was held on September 9th, 2026. We received four bids. The engineers estimate for the project was six million six hundred one thousand nine hundred and three dollars correction six million six hundred one thousand nine hundred thirty dollars Wildcat construction submitted the best bid at eight million one hundred eleven thousand and four hundred thirteen dollars The bid results indicate that the difference from the engineers estimate is primarily due to the current market pricing for the depth complexity and the construction risk associated with this project The sanitary sewer for this project will be approximately 15 to 25 feet deep throughout the project. At those depths, construction proceeds much more slowly. It requires larger excavation equipment, extensive trench protection, and also additional material handling for the contractor. Before bidding, the city and engineer made several changes to improve constructability, i.e. save costs. What we did action-wise, we obtained additional temporary easement widths to provide the contractor with more working space for installing the deep sewer line. And then also on the city-owned 80 acres at the southwest corner of 79th and Meridian, we actually raised the elevation of the sanitary sewer pipe by five feet. Even with these changes, all four bids exceeded the engineer's estimate. The other three bids were between approximately 9.38 million and 9.97 million. But because four independent contractors price the project above the estimate, with three bids grouped within that higher range, the results indicate that this is just the current market price for this work. We do not believe there are additional design changes that we can materially reduce the cost. During construction, the project will be financed through temporary notes, and upon completion, permanently financed through general obligation bonds. We are seeking approval of the best bid from Wildcat Construction for $8,111,413.

This is another project that's been a long time in the making, and I know a lot of easements had to be gone through, purchased. So I know we talked about this before, about how many acres will this open up, and about how many homes. You didn't tell me that this morning.

I would say like 1,300 lots, I believe. 1,000 acres? Yeah, 1,000 acres.

1,000 acres, roughly 3,000 homes or so. It could potentially double the size of residential homes in the city of Mesa.

To kind of put the big picture, if we get another developer or two on the west-southwest side of town, the city may be in a position to where when they come to us asking if we can serve it with sewer, we would, without doing this, we may have to tell them we can't right now. So one staff, an elected official being proactive before we get to that point.

Are there any questions for Cody? If not, Councilperson Barton.

Make a motion we approve the bid from Wildcat Construction for $8,111,413 out of wastewater funds. Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve the bid as presented. Any discussion? Question please.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Next item G, consideration of the ESRI GIS enterprise agreement.

All right last for me we're seeking approval a three-year enterprise agreement with Esri for our GIS software. The agreement is $20,600 annually for a total three-year cost of $61,800. When the city first established its enterprise agreement in 2022 the annual cost was $15,500. We have not seen an increase since then. If you don't know, GS is used throughout the city to manage the city's utilities. signs, parcels, easements, zoning, locating utilities, field data collection, emergency response, citizens, problem reporter, and we also have an internal work order system. We have obtained only one proposal because Esri owns and licenses the software on which our existing information is built on. There are other GIS service providers available, but those general vendors use Esri software. So basically, in an effort not to have the middleman, we have a very qualified GIS administrator on staff who administers the system, maintains the data, builds the applications, and he also supports users when they forgot their password. Contracting directly with Esri allows us to obtain the required software without paying an outside vendor to act as the middleman. Therefore, we're seeking approval of a three-year Esri enterprise agreement for a total cost of $61,800. I stand for questions if you have any.

Any questions for Tony? I know our GIS administrator has won some awards too. Councilman Brewster.

Yeah, I know that our GIS application manager, he's done a great job. He's done some stuff for me, so I appreciate it. He's a, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't he go to campus too? Yes. Yeah, so he's a campus grad. So I think that's pretty cool.

He's got his master's in GIS. Yeah, and the stuff that they can do with GIS is amazing.

He talks technical jargon to me, and I'm like, yeah. Yeah. So I just want to share that I know I've told you before, but I appreciate what he does.

Customer support.

So they'll take the sales tax off? Yes. Okay. No other questions? I make a motion. We accept it.

Second. Motion and second to approve the agreement as presented in the discussion. Question, please. Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes.

Hewitt? Yes.

Gordon? Yes.

Martin?

Yes.

Rob, you're up. Item H, consideration of bids to repaint the hack interior.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. From a recent inspection of the Hayesville Activity Center, the interior is needing to be repainted as it was last painted in 2017 when the facility was built. We will be repainting the interior of the hack, excluding the offices and the rental room, which was repainted about a year ago. The hack will be painted with a Sherman Williams tough scuff paint to make cleaning the walls a smoother process. We are looking to complete this project this fall and winter. After checking references, I recommend contracting with Donalinger Facility Services to paint the interior of the activity center for a total of $32,550. They will be able to repaint with minimal interruptions to patrons utilizing the facility, and this will be paid for out of rec sales tax. I'm going to stand for any questions.

Are there any questions for Rob? If not, somebody would like to make a motion. Councilman Myers.

I make a motion to approve the bid and contracts to repaint the HAC interior. Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve. to approve the bids as presented. Any discussion? Question, please.

Groester?

Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes.

Ewart? Yes. Clover? Yes. Martin? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson? Yes. All right.

Thanks, Rob. Next, we have Item 7, Department Reports, Administrative Services. Georgie.

Mayor and Council, we are still looking for volunteers for WAMPO's annual bike and pedestrian count this week. It starts on Wednesday. We are needing volunteers for Wednesday and Thursday from 5 to 7 p.m. and then on Saturday from 12 to 2. If anyone's interested, they can contact me at the City Hall or on the Facebook page. There is a link for the registration for volunteers that you can apply. Also coming up on September 26, Gathering at the Gazebo and Art Walk is in the Historic District from 4.30 to 8.30. We will have arts and crafts, listen to live music, food and drink vendors, and activities for the kids. This is free to attend. In conjunction with that, the Chamber is hosting its first annual chili cook-off in the community building. That will be 5 to 6.30. So if you have the best chili, contact the Chamber about registering for that. All I have.

All right, thank you. No volunteering for the, uh, taking the vestry and the bike counts. Uh, it's fun to see people, you know, I know Cosper's department's done it. I've done it. It's fun. All right. Next we want to be a city clerk.

City offices will be closed on Monday, October 12th for Columbus Day. This means that the next city council meeting will actually be on a Tuesday, October 13th.

All right. Thank you. Uh, next police chief.

This evening, our visiting officer this evening is Lieutenant Kratz. He's out there. He is currently the patrol division commander. So as you go by out there, say hi to him. Also just wanted to draw your attention real quick to the police department monthly report that we put in there under our agenda item. We have included some information in there now that we'll put in monthly on flock just to kind of give you some ideas, just trying to work in some transparency there. If there's something else that you might want to see or in there, you can always suggest that to us and we can try to see what we can add in there to try to help with that. So that's all I have. Thank you. Councilman Mars.

Yeah, I don't know if this would be, can I make motions and ask him questions at this point or no? So the last council meeting, we were talking about LSAC and signal trace, and we had a conversation that you agreed that LSAC, E-E-L-S-A-G, and signal trace, and similar wireless emission tracking technology that creates digital fingerprints is like an overstep of surveillance. Would you be on board with with banning that?

I think it's certainly something we could look into if you want, if council wants staff to look into that and try to come up with an ordinance that we could put in there to potentially do something like that. I don't see why not. I just want to be real careful with the technology and make sure that we get the right thing in there and we don't end up messing up and shooting ourselves in the foot on something else. something else that they may be doing. But absolutely, that's something that we need to look into or try to draft an ordinance so we can bring it back to council and let them look at it later. That's certainly something we can work on.

from the best thing here would not be necessary to make a motion, but for you to investigate into it and just verify.

Sure, we can look into it, see what we can find, and I'll get with Josh and we'll look into some of the legal definitions and that kind of stuff. If you've got anything, you're welcome to email it over and we can look at it and see. Thank you for being halfway on that. Thank you.

That's just a general, you know, from council. I mean, council wants him to do that. Oh. Is that something you need? Can you just do it? I don't think so.

We can look into it. I appreciate the direction and just trying to figure out what we want to look into. That's definitely ranged in there enough that we can figure out what we're looking at. Absolutely. That's good.

Can you also look into how much it costs us to move that one south of town?

We are, we're currently in the process of trying to compare prices and technology and like that. It is a long process, but yes, the ones that we, as we've been talking to these vendors, that's one thing that we have done is move that camera here at Main and Grand down towards the south end down there. South of our southernmost streets there, so that way we're going to encompass all of Hayesville down there.

Okay, thank you.

But yes, that's definitely in there. We have it in there.

Thank you.

Yeah, Chief, what was the replacement cost on that camera that was damaged?

$800. Okay. So we did have a camera that was damaged out on Meridian near Mr. Meyer's house. It was damaged. It cost us $800 to fix. It was smashed. And I believe, don't quote me, I think they got it back up now, so it should be all working again. About 100% without checking it. Was that the same one with paint on it? I was unaware of one with paint on it. Maybe I just heard wrong. Sorry. Oh, okay. No, we had one that was smashed. It had paint on it. It might have been just additional damage to it. I don't know. I wasn't going to shimmy up the poll and go try to find out what was going on with it, so we let them determine that and decide how much it was going to cost to fix. But, yeah, $800.

We paid $2,500 a year for it.

All right. Thanks, Chief. Next we have item D, Public Works. Tony.

All right. Got the most controversial item of the night. The recycling center will be open on September 26 from 10 to noon. Also an update on the street program. They finished up Campbell. You may have seen this when you pulled in today. They'll be moving over to Alexander for a million asphalt of that. They're not doing Mr. Thompson's cul-de-sac. They've already done that a few years ago. It should take approximately one week. We got some rain in the forecast, but that may wiggle a little bit. They also started today on the concrete portions of the project over by the south approach at the activity center and the farm and art market on South Main Street.

Thank you. Thanks, Tony. Next, recreation. Rob.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. The Hayesville Activity Center is now taking registrations for youth basketball. The Fall Fest Parade registration is open starting next week. We will start taking registrations for Fall Fest Cornhole Tournament. And put a note in, Fall Fest this year will be on the fourth weekend of October 23, 24, and 25. Normally it's on the third, but it got bumped back one week this year. And then the splash pad will close for the season on September 30th.

Is the car show already open?

Car show should be end of this week, before next week.

All right, thanks, Rob. All right, next we have Item 8, Appointments. We have none. Item 9, Executive Session. Nothing scheduled. Item 10, Review of Expenditures. A summary of August expenditures. Councilperson Hubert.

I'd like to move that we receive and file the August expenditures.

Second. We have a motion and a second to receive and file the August expenditures. Any question? Discussion? Question, please.

Brewster? Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes. Ewart? Yes. Cooler? Yes. Parton? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson? Yes.

Next, we have item 11, the consent agenda. We have one item on there for a temporary special event permit. Councilperson Clither.

If there's no questions, I'll just go ahead and make a motion to approve consent agenda as presented. Second.

We have a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda as presented. Any discussion?

Yes. Walters? Yes. Martin? Yes. Hewart? Yes. Clother? Yes. Martin? Yes. Myers? Yes. Thompson? Yes.

All right, next we have item 12, council items. A, council concerns. Councilman Myers?

Yes. That was the flock one, right? Yes. Yes. I already did the LSAC thing. That was what I really wanted to do. Mr. Mayor, you published that article from, or actually I have something to hand out as well. You published the article in regards to reducing the retention time to seven days, which is recommended by FLOC. Are we going to be reducing the retention time to seven days?

We're working on that currently. The first thing we'll probably do is reduce ourselves from the 30 that we're on now down to 14. So we'll basically cut it in half. At that point, it'll be a training curve for our officers. We're gathering additional data right now to find out how they're using it when they're investigating crimes, whether they're using it immediately or if they're turning it over to an investigator and then the investigator's looking into that to run that information. So at this point, what we're doing is we're getting a gauge and a feeling for what that looks like. And then once we have that, we'll look at reducing it down to the seven day time period by the end of the year. It's gonna be a training issue on our part just to make sure that they're trained as to how quick they need to get information off of the system rather than waiting a week or two weeks.

So we are in the process Thank you And so this is actually this was this just happened like last week. I just was aware of it yesterday or the other day Don't quote me on those dates but this so this is uh, this is a From another city and they canceled flock so I don't know if everyone wants to take a minute and read it really quick and

In an effort to save time, I'd like to go ahead and talk about a little bit of this. I'm sorry for the lateness of the hour, but a week ago I was down in Texas. I had an opportunity to talk to Sergeant Brandon Blassett, been on the police force for 23 years. And I was asking him about the flock camera from that city of Mansfield. And he told me of numerous occasions where they were able to solve crimes from that. But then he told me something that I thought was something we should all take to heart. I think we are swallowing the camel and spitting out the gnat. Because what we're doing is for $10, he said, about you can get anything and everything you want about anybody off phones or any other things. You can get your address, your phone number, your date of birth, where you live, what you drive, what your voting record is. All that data is already there. And we're concerned about a little flock camera trying to protect our city. We should be concerned about how do we put our information on Facebook? How do we put our information? I'd like to ask anybody who's against Flock, do you lock your car or do you lock your house? Why? You want it safe. That's what Flock is about. Yes, there's a potential. Is there a potential for somebody to attack you if your house is locked? And I've been vandalized. Anybody's been in that situation. You There's so much information out there that we willingly give people, and yet we're concerned about the little clock camera and the data that it gives to our police station and police folks in order for them to keep us safe. I find this irritating that we continue this conversation.

I attended the SCAC meeting, which is council members and mayors of all the cities in Sedgwick County. And I happen to be sitting next to a good friend of mine. He happens to be the mayor of Park City. He's also a lieutenant commander of the Kansas Highway Patrol. We got to talking about flock cameras. Flock cameras have been used by the Highway Patrol since 2016 and have solved over 10,000 cases. Now, I'm like with Mr. Walters, I don't understand what all the baloney is like he said. You got a phone there. Everybody in the world can pick the phone up and follow you and go wherever you want to go. And I don't know about the rest of the council members, I haven't talked to them, but I for one, this is the third month in a row that we have talked about flock cameras and I personally am sick and tired of it. I don't know. Mr. Myers, you made a deal with PEC that if the council wasn't agreeable with it, that if we wasn't going to do it, whatever, then you would just drop it and it would never be brought up again. So that's my recommendation. My recommendation is we ask about it and find out. Like I said, personally, I don't know. I don't know how many council members. I haven't talked to any of the other council members. But, I mean, this is getting old. Three months, the third time in three months, we brought up flock cameras and we've talked about it. And it's just plain old bully-ass meetings.

So, um, I'm not sure if you were tracking the conversation with me and the chief before, but we're continuing convert this old business. This is 100% old business continuing from last, last meeting, since this meeting and last meeting, the mayor has made a public post and the city of Haysville has made a public post about flock pertaining to changing the, what we just talked about changing the retention times. Okay. And we are hearing council to talk about these topics. That's why we're here to talk about these and see what we were all here and see how we feel about it and what the progress is with the city staff and to check in with the mayor and what he's making progress on things. That's the point of this council meeting. Okay. I'm sorry that you're, you're upset that we're talking about something that we've been talking about that all of the public is talking about this. I'm sorry that you don't want to listen to the public. But I do, okay? I go out and talk to a lot of people. I know that police and politicians, that's the only people that I've talked to so far, including the people that you've sent to talk to me, which I appreciate that, and I ended up bringing up valid points with him. The police officer gentleman, I forget his name, he's one of your constituents at the GUSD 261 event. that you talked to me, and I appreciate that, because I want to hear all the sides of the story, all right? And I brought up points with him that he agreed on, on requiring warrants and things like that. Both of you gentlemen are talking about the phones, right? Okay, based on a Supreme Court ruling, your location, If they want to geofence you, if the chief of police wants to geofence you and pull your information, guess what they need? A warrant. And that's what this is all about. This is all about requiring a warrant. If they had a warrant requirement on flock, I'm fine. But we don't have a warrant requirement. There's literally officers in vehicles by themselves With, because this is in, Chief, they're in the vehicles, correct? The flock, they can access it? In the vehicles. So you can have an officer parked by himself, whatever, and use flock and search by himself with vehicles. Yes, there's oversight, but it's afterwards. And there is integrated checks, correct? There is gatekeeping, not gatekeeping, but gateways that if they do things wrong, if they don't put a case number, if they don't enter the right information, it won't let them do the search, right? So I'm not saying that it's completely no oversight, and they're cracking down on this. That's why we're making the accountability portal, because there was no accountability on any of this. This council hasn't talked about it since it was adopted in 2022. So for you to criticize me for talking about a valid topic that the entire population is talking about, shame on you, okay? Danny, I appreciate your input. It's good to get both sides of the story here and both opinions. You're trying to keep everybody safe. And I value everybody being safe. The problem with that is we're sacrificing freedoms for safety. And that is not what America is about. The opportunity for people to abuse this is too great, in my opinion. I don't think all of you really read this. So what this is saying is that the city, it's the Sheboygan, okay, what this is is City Resolution of Sheboygan, September 8th, 2026. You can download it on their agenda if anybody online, anybody watching wants to download it. It's in their minutes. They made a resolution because a Flock salesperson called up the public works director wanting to sell them the last five years of data that was retained. Part of the service agreement that we and Flock has is that we control the data for how many days? 30 days. Not five years. They're storing our data beyond what the service agreements are. Additionally, the service agreements say that they're not allowed to sell it. That is part of our service agreement. That was one of the specific questions that I asked Will. I said, hey, Will, can I take a look at our service agreement with them and our contracts? What does it say about data retention? And I reviewed that. And it said that we reserve the right. That is our data. And we start for 30 days. But guess what? Flock is lying to us. Flock is lying to everybody. There's a whole city council that didn't make this up. This isn't some fabricated false thing that I'm just, Councilman Myers made this up. Oh, yeah, right? Is that what happened? This is a reality. You're chuckling over here. You're chuckling. And maybe it was about something else. I don't know. But it looked like you were chuckling at me making that claim because everything that I say is just lies, right? So Flock is not doing what they're saying that they're going to do. That's what I'm worried about. I'm all for safety, but I'm not for abusive businesses that are lying, that are being deceiving, and that are doing things that they're not supposed to do. They're saving our data for five years. So that data is not being deleted in 30 days. It's being retained, possibly forever, by a private company. And that concerns me. That is one of my very many concerns about this system. So please take a look at this and review it and consider it. Flock is not what you think it is. Yes, it is a tool, and we use it. But there's additional things that are going on, and this proves it. And I'm sorry that you don't see that. And I realize I just handed this out. I wish I had this in the agenda meetings, but I literally just found this post like a day or two ago. And then I went and pulled the records and I got this today, literally. So maybe I'm not presenting this in the most effective manner. Maybe it would have been more effective to get it in the agenda and you would have had more time to consider it. But what is your feelings, Danny, about this? What is everybody's feelings about this? Mr. Mayor, what is your feelings about the fact that Flock is saving our data for five years and trying to sell it back? Do you think that's okay, Mr. Mayor?

I don't have a, I mean, I would think they'd be investigated.

They were. They were investigated. This is another city who passed a resolution after an investigation finding the same company that we're in business with violated the terms of agreement and we're in bed with them. And they're saving our data well beyond the agreement of what is in our terms and conditions. Does that bother you?

Well, I've not seen the evidence of it.

You don't, this is, I mean, this is the evidence that I have. You want the rest of this? I mean, I don't know what else you want to see.

It says that this resolution from the city.

Yes. And what does it say that they did that in the middle, the one, two, three, fourth paragraph that they were offering up at the bottom, they're offering up to five years of data utilizing the existing 15 cameras that have already been deployed in the city and that it violates. And then the next sentence that it, um, It is outside the terms of the master service agreement and believes that such conduct on flock safety constitutes a breach of the terms of the master service agreement, specifically in Section 4, data use and licensing. This is probably the same exact contract that we have with them. I mean, I don't know if it's the same section and all that stuff, but we essentially have the same contract with flock. And this city found that Flock is trying to sell them their data that they've been saving for five years. What do you think about that?

This is not sufficient for you? Okay, we can't trust that. Yeah, okay, I got you.

Is this something that we want to investigate further? Is this something that anybody else on council is concerned about that wants to investigate further? Or is everybody okay with this? That the company that we are dealing with is violating the terms of agreement with other cities, overreaching their data retention times that they agree with. Is there anybody in council that wants to further investigate this? Next agenda item?

Councilman Martin.

Okay.

So, I'm speaking from my experience as a law enforcement officer, and as I've stated before, I have used the flock to solve two cases. Now, you want to take my opportunity to help solve a case? One of them was a homicide and they caught the guy in Missouri. The other one was a teenage 10-year-old girl that was kidnapped by a child rapist and they caught her before they got out of Ark City. So you're going to take, if you're going to do that, let's take away our guns, let's take away our cameras, let's take away all of our other stuff because you're saying that we don't need them. I don't understand. And I look forward to seeing what you post about me on Facebook. I have nothing to post about you, Bob.

I'm not going to make this personal again. You were the one who started it all. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Okay. That's my first question.

Chief, is there other avenues where the officers can get... Well, yeah, I mean, we have CAD, right?

We have CAD. We have all the federal system. I mean, your triple I, your interstate index, things like that. Yeah, driver's licenses, tags, whatever. Yeah. And you trust your officers with that, right? We do, yeah. Absolutely. If there was anything wrong or they were doing anything wrong, I'd fire them and prosecute them. It's that easy.

That's all I need. Councilman Walters? excellent briefing that you gave last council on how you manage your flock in this city and how your safeguards help keep us safe and i would recommend to anybody who has got concerns around flock to go back and re-watch what you told us in that particular briefing how you are going over time essentially to do a fantastic job. And if it's not Flock, that's one of the many different companies that provide this kind of service. Flock's getting some bad news press. People do that. I may be concerned about Flock. I want to keep us safe. So if you choose some other one, I hope you do if we don't go with Flock. This is a tool, and I appreciate what you presented to us, because I think we forget it very quickly. We forgot all the things that you told us about. They were excellent, and I want to just say thank you again. Well, thank you.

And I think as a department head, we'd be remiss if we were not checking at the ends of contracts, which the FLOC contract's coming up in 27. It wouldn't be right if we weren't looking at the other technologies out there and looking at what else is out there to see what we can do to keep everyone safe. So, yeah, just because we have them now doesn't mean that we would have them... later because we may change that depending on circumstances, on costs, on our tools available to us to keep everybody in line and safe. Thank you. Councilman Lars.

Councilman Walters, I appreciate your input on that, you know, looking into other companies. That is part of my problem with like ALPR technology is absolutely good technology. in the right hands. I can agree with you on that, okay? The problem is when you have a bad corporation doing bad practices, this is not the first time that Flock has made the, and the fact, I'm sorry, but the fact that you are brushing off the fact that bad news happens, like violating terms and conditions by a senior, what was it? He's a account executive. You know, this is, you shouldn't be doing, they shouldn't have been doing this. This is systemic in their company. So there is a problem with Flock. ALPRs, phone tracking and all that, the chief can track people through their phone. He can make a request with a warrant, right? So what I'm proposing is we meet in the middle. A lot of council, all of this is not about just getting one side over the other. It's meeting in the middle. And I appreciate you meeting in the middle on, you know, that you'd like to continue to entertain other options that are not flock company, right? There's multiple benefits between saving money if we own it outright and the fact that we're not dealing with flock. So I appreciate that, that you are willing to do that. And Bob, I'm not saying that we take this away completely. I have said that. That has been proposed, but it's clear that this side of the room is very vocal about not doing that. But what I'm saying is safeguards. Warrant like what would it would it be realistic to require a warrant for flock searches?

No, why not because the time the court system real quick a search warrant has to come from a District court judge or higher Therefore you would have every law enforcement officer in the county how many hundred officers in Wichita how many in Sedgwick County? How many other agencies around here? All making requests for information and warrants there. We don't have the judicial staff to even handle that. Do to even consider it. Do we have a judge? We do have a judge, but municipal judges cannot cite search warrants in this state.

Okay. Well, what if it wasn't a search warrant, but it was some kind of other authorization allowing to utilize, it's not a search warrant, but flock authorization. I'll make up that term or ALPR authorization. Would it be realistic? Like, I guess the question is how busy is our, our judge? Would it be realistic that he has to, and I understand that a lot of this has to be done in a timely manner, that like if you're searching for somebody, you don't want it, and it's a lost child, for instance, right? We don't want to wait three days to get it answered. Would it be realistic to have our judge, not a signed warrant, but some kind of internally generated... Mr. Ryan, he's only here once a week for two hours. Okay, that answers that question. So he's part-time, but does he work for us on those days in between or not, really? How does that work? He's here for court on Tuesday afternoons.

And that's it, number one. Number two, he doesn't have any statutory authority to, you know...

So if you're proposing an administrative thing and then I think it needs to be

or something like that. And would that be realistic, that the officer in charge has to authorize each, like two-person authentication turned the key, that an officer requests a thing and then the officer in charge for the day authorizes that search before it goes through. Is that something that can be implemented?

That would be extremely time consuming, trying to get that through. To have a secondary check on it.

I certainly appreciate your zeal, but we don't have nuclear weapons that were having two key identical watches on it. That's a little bit absurd.

Okay, they use it on nuclear weapons, but it's a safeguard is what I'm saying. Okay, to try to make fun of my reference of using two keys at the same time.

I'm sorry, your zeal has just gone over the top. You think it's absurd to have two people check each other's work? I think you are so zealous. that you're making proposals that are not applicable to our situation as revealed by our lawyer, and revealed by our chief, and revealed by others that you've been talking to. And you make accusatory statements, and that you're alienating people. You're not helping your cause.

Anybody else like to talk about what cameras? All right, any other council concerns? There's no other council concerns when we want to die to be council action request updates.

So two updates here to finish the night, 7031 South Broadway, the pile of dead tree limbs have been removed. Uh, they are continuing to do some tree trimming and that's ongoing. And they told us they'd take care of them. Uh, voluntary compliance case considered closed. And then the other one, one 80 North main, a dollar dollar general. The dead tree has been removed. Case is considered closed as well.

All right. Thanks, Tony. All right. That takes us to item 13, adjournment.

Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to adjourn. Second.

We have a motion and a second to adjourn tonight's meeting.

Any questions? Any discussion? Questions, please. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.