County Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Chair calls to order public hearing  for resolution 00726, master water and sewer plan   update 2026. Uh, good evening, Mr. Pack. How are  you? Good evening. Very well. Yourself? Well,   good. Whenever you're ready. All right.  Thank you. So, the first section we have   is tables and grids. Revision number one  is located at 310 Niles Lane in Fallston,   zoned CI. It is shown on grid A4 of the  water and sewer service area maps and is   identified as parcel I'm sorry tax map 55 parcel  363. It received site plan approval from the   department of planning and zoning on on October  10th 2025 for a 5,000qt retail trade service   building. They are requesting a sewer category  change from the S6 category to the S3 category. Okay. Next is chapter 3, section 3.15, table  3-1, plan developments. Table 3-1 is a tool   used by the division of water and sewer to assess  the available demand and capacity of our system   with current and past projects that have had  approval from for development. Commercial and   industrial properties without specific uses have  been converted to equivalent dwelling units or   edus to easily account for the project's demand  and capacity needs. This table was updated to   reflect the development activity over the last six  months for one project. The Grace Hall subdivision   has been revised to reflect the water and sewer  services connected over the last six months. The final page of table 3-1 shows the revisions  to the summary of the remaining residential,   business, and industrially zoned units with  approved preliminary plans. The net change   in residential units was a reduction of 120  units with 1,439 units remaining. There was  

no change to the equivalent residential units in  a business zone or the industrial acreage zone. The next two pages are for section 3.20, table  3-8, planned waterworks immediate 5-year and   10-year priorities. This table was updated to  reflect projects for the division of water and   sewer as well as requests made by Maryland  American, the water provider for the town of   Bel Air. The two county projects being removed  are the Willoughby Beach Road extension, which   was a developer funded project to extend water to  what is now known as the Copper Mine Recreation   Facility. That facility is a current water and  sewer customer. Therefore, the extension is no   longer needed. The 250 foot linear feet of Joppa  road transmission main was evaluated and found   to be unnecessary during our 2020 water system  study. The timing schedules for the remaining   projects have been adjusted and this table in the  workbook only includes projects to which changes   are proposed. A comprehensive table showing all  capital water projects in the county and the   three municipalities can be found in chapter 3 of  the overall water and sewer master plan document. Chapter 4 section 4.04.07 county sewage  system treatment facilities. The Joppatown   wastewater treatment plant description is being  revised to include information regarding the   upgrade to the plant's disinfection  process that was completed in 2017. Section 4.14 table 42 planned capital sewer  projects immediate 5-year and 10-year priority.   The next two pages like the revision for water  were updated to reflect the division of water   and sewer projects as well as requests made by  the town of Bair. The timing schedules are being  

updated and one new county project is being  added, the Magnolia sewer petition project.   The town of Belair requested one new project to  be added, the Baltimore pike pump station and   force man replacement. And again, the table in  this workup workbook includes only projects to   where changes are proposed. A comprehensive table  showing all sewer projects for the county and the   three municipalities can be found in chapter 4 of  the overall water and sewer master plan document. The next two pages in the workbook are for  section 4.15, table 4-3, discharge record of   septic haulers. This was revised to show monthly  data for the calendar year of 2025 for all septic   hauled to sod run wastewater treatment plant. This  revision is a standard requirement from from the   Maryland Department of the Environment to document  current data for each spring master plan revision. And the final section in the workbook includes  the written request made to Harford County   for provisions to be included in the spring  2026 water and sewer master plan update. That   concludes the updates to spring master plan.  Thank you, Chris. Uh, council at this time,   anyone have any questions? Mr. Jana. Chris,  good evening. Thank you very much. Um,   Red Plump Crescent table 3.1 says 46 units,  but I understand that's still in the forest   elimination plan and there's been nothing. So,  how did they get to 46? So for for this table   for 3-1 is specifically for water and sewer to  account for any past or current projects. It's a   basically a placeholder for us that when we see  new development come back at the same property,   we know what we allotted for that at the time that  it was approved. Okay. So when it was originally   approved like back in 2014, that's what they're  bas that 46 lots refers to the plan that was   approved in 14. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.  And we talked about that today. Can you bring us  

up to date? That plan has expired the 2014. Yes.  Yes. Okay. I'm you'd have to ask planning and   zoning, but it's a year and a half to two years,  something like that, the preliminary and site   plans last for. Okay. Anyone else? Mr. Bennett.  Um, just a quick practical question going back   to revision one. Um, what does it mean to move  from S6 to S3 from a like a use perspective?   So, in order for a category change to be made to  the S3, an approved plan has to happen. Um, for   a construction drawing um to be approved, it has  to be in the category three. So, this property had   site plan approval back in October of 25. So, they  are able to ask for request to move to the three.   If they decide they're going to make the um sewer  infrastructure that they need to to serve this   property, they need to have it in S3. category  for us to approve the construction drawing. And   does that mean more use, less use, you know, or  allowable use? It's the the categories are year   uh expectations of when the construction is going  to happen. So a three category is 0 to 5 years. A   five is 6 to 10. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank  you, Mr. Bennett. Mr. Riley. Yeah, Chris. Um,   we approved WarGo's getting water and sewer.  Do you know where that project is? I do not.   It's actually the construction drawings have been  into our office for approval. So, we're currently   reviewing them. Thanks. You're welcome. Anyone  else? Thank you, Chris. Appreciate it. Thank you. This will conclude the public hearing on  the uh Whoops. We have Swinando. We do  

have one speaker, John Malamo.  Oh, my apologies, Mr. Malamo. Thank you. Thank you. Not quite that generous  though, sir. Good evening to you and your   colleagues. John P. Malamo, 2402 Eagle View Drive,  Bel air, Maryland. Now, I appreciate the nice the   nice pictures and the discussion of the water and  sewer plan, but I'm disturbed that there was no   discussion of the situation at the Green Ridge  subdivision. Those people are suffering from   excessively high water bills, water that's unfit  to drink. They use bottled water mostly and low   pressure. It's serviced by a private company.  but it's attached to the Harford County public   water system. Now, I know in Alageney County,  they're considering condemnation through imminent   domain to displace that water service company in  Harford County. There's not a peep from anybody. Your legislative aids attend the community  advisory board and I expect that they bring   the information back to you, but I didn't hear any  discussion of that tonight. And Councilwoman Mhof,   the water at one particular subdivision in  Fallston had the same situation and they got   public water. And Mr. Riley, you asked about the  Moose Lodge. you sponsored legislation to include   that project that you asked about in the county  washer and master plan and I'm wondering why  

nobody has done anything to support the residents  about a thousand in Green Ridge subdivision and that's easy to say this is bureaucratic  incompetence But I don't believe that it's   indifference and it borders on contempt for the  residents in Harford County. And this isn't an   isolated incident. It happens routinely and  I guess that you're partially responsible   for that. And so if you wouldn't mind, find a  solution, implement it before it's too late. Is there any other speakers?  There is no one else signed up,   Mr. President. And this will conclude the  public hearing for the water and sewer   resolution 00726 and it'll be taken  up at the next meeting. Thank you. We're going to have to take a 4m  minute recess before we start at 7:30. Order legislative session day 26011. I would ask  you to all please join us for standing with the   pledge or for the pledge followed by prayer by  council member Imhoff. I pledge allegiance to   the flag of the United States of America  and to the republic for which it stands,   one nation under God, indivisible,  liberty and justice for all. Heavenly Father, we thank you for the opportunity  to gather as a council and serve the people of   this county. Grant us wisdom, clarity, and  patience as we carry out the responsibilities   before us. Help us to listen with an open  mind, speak with respect, make the decisions   that reflect the integrity and commitment to  our greater good. Guide our work so that it  

strengthens our community, supports those in need,  and honors the trust that placed upon us. May we   lead with humility, fairness, and purpose in all  that we do. Please watch over our service members   and their families during this time. And may they  all come home safely. Amen. Amen. Agenda number   four, presentation of proclamations. We have none.  Five, consideration of petitions, applications,   appointments, and nominations. council uh at  this time will be acting in the capacity of the   board of health uh to consider this appointment  and we return to regular legislative session   uh immediately thereafter. Uh board of health  appointments office of mental health core service   agency of Harford County. Mr. Bennett. Council  President, I move to approve the appointments   of Amy McClaskey, Lynn Winkler, and Michael  Shaun Martin to the Office of Mental Health   Core Services Agency of Harford County's board of  directors. Thank you. May I have a second? Second.   Thank you, Mr. Riley. A move and seconded to  approve the appointments. Is there any discussion? Miss Dixon. Mr. President. I Mrs. Robert. Hi.  Mrs. Mhall. Hi, Mr. Janerano. I Mr. Riley. Hi,   Mrs. Buladles. Abstain. Mr. Bennett.  I with six votes in the affirmative,   one abstension. Uh, the appointment is  hereby approved or the appointments are   hereby approved. Anyone here this evening  in that group? Okay. Council appointments,   Harford TV. Uh, Miss May have a motion. Council  President, I move to approve the appointment   of Don Kira stadder to the Harford TV.  You have a second. Second. Thank you,   Mr. Riley. It's moved and seconded to approve  Harford TV's appointment. Is there any discussion?

Miss Dixon. Mr. President. Hi, Mrs.  Robert. Hi, Mrs. Mhall. Hi, Mr. Jano. Hi,   Mr. Riley. Hi, Mrs. Bullles. Hi, Mr. Bennett.  Hi. There being seven votes in affirmative,   zero and a negative, the appointment is  hereby approved. Don, are you here? Okay.   Executive appointments public library board  of trustees. Miss Imhof. Council President,   I move to approve the reappoint of Jonas Vogelhut.  May I have a second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Riley.   And moved in a second to approve the library  board of trustees appointment or reappoint. Is   there any discussion? Um, as a as a member of the  library board of trustees, I just appreciate Mr.   Hut's um attendance and willingness to continue  on doing this work. Thank you. Anyone else? Miss   Dixon. Mr. President. Hi. Mrs. Robert. Hi. Mrs.  Mhoff. Hi. Mr. Jano. Hi. Mr. Riley. Hi. Mrs.   Badles. Hi. Mr. Bennett. Hi. Being seven votes in  affirmative zero in negative. The appointment is   hereby approved. Mr. Vot. Okay. Uh, Commission on  Women, Mr. Janu. Okay. Council President, move to   approve the appointments of Linda Norman, Claudia  Nachel, and the reappoints of Amy Janigan, Tatina   Leavonne, Allison McCord, and Linda Stein Flynn.  We have a second. Second. Thank you, Mr. Riley. It's been moved a second to  approve the new appointments   and reappoints. Is there any discussion? ML. Um, as a um the council appointee to the  women's commission and a the former chair,   I just want to thank you all also for your  time and dedication. I know how much work   the women's commission is and how much you guys  have grown it. So, thank you. Thank you. Anyone  

else? Miss Dixon. Mr. President. Hi, Mrs.  Robert. Hi, Mrs. Mhall. Hi, Mr. Janerano. Hi,   Mr. Riley. I Mrs. Badles I Mr. Bennett I being  seven votes in affirmative zero and a negative   Miss Flint I see you here would you like to  stand and be recognized please oh you're welcome Advisory Board for Aging Mr. Jan Dana. Council  President, I move I move to approve the reappoints   of Vicky Bansz, Michelle Brusso, Deborah  Hanley, Barry Klene, and Janet Parker, and   the new appointments of Heather Clapper, Meredith  Gra, Katherine Kundra, Kandraki, Linda Myers,   Paul Orlando, and Pamela Rakapini. Good for you.  Second. Second. Second. Thank you, Mr. Riley. It's   been moved and seconded to approve the reappoint  and new appointments. Is there any discussion? Miss Dixon. Mr. President. Hi, Mrs. Robert. Hi,  Mrs. Mhall. Hi, Mr. Jano. Hi, Mr. Riley. Hi,   Mrs. Badles. Hi, Mr. Bennett. Hi. There being  seven votes in affirmative, zero and a negative,   uh, the appointments are hereby approved. Um,  Miss Hanley, I know you're here. I saw you   in the audience. Anyone else? Please  stand and be recognized. Thank you. Number six, special presentations. Uh, human  trafficking update. Miss Imhof, if you would   like to um introduce your guest. Sure. Um, so,  Corporal Christopher Hyde and Corporal Austin   Mueller from Maryland State Police uh FBI. I  have had the privilege of working with both  

uh Corporal Hyde and Corporal Mueller for several  years now. Um, Corporal Hyde recently retired from   Maryland State Police. He um worked on the child  recovery unit. And then uh Corporal Austin Mueller   is currently with Maryland State Police and has  been um essential in recovering quite a few um   of our human trafficking survivors. So, I'm going  to pass it off to them. Thank you. And gentlemen,   if you just pull those mics in a little closer for  um thank you for being here this evening and um   whenever you're ready. Yeah, thank you for having  us. Thank you. Um I guess I'll start. Um also gave   me the privilege of starting because I've this  is my first one I've done in probably four months   since since I retired. Um real quick background  on me. Uh uh retired recently November 1st with   32 years of service to me state police. Um the  last 15 of which were doing this type of work. Um,   by far the the most rewarding work that I've ever  done in my career. Um, and we we've, you know,   locked up murderers, recovered drugs, but just  the the feeling of being able to help children   has been the most rewarding. Um, I personally  liked it because I felt like it was something um,   you know, whether your political beliefs  or whether you like police or hate police,   um, this was a crime that everyone got behind was  saving children. Um, so by far the most rewarding   work that I've done. Um Austin uh we knew I was  going to be retiring so we kind of handpicked him   um to take my spot. Austin went and got promoted  and now he is patrolling the main streets of I95   in Howard County temporarily hopefully coming back  soon. Um but again Austin's been working with me   for the past three or four years but we'll talk  a little about yourself. Austin Yep. Uh Austin   Mueller been a trooper for almost 14 years and  uh or with Maryland State Police for almost 14   years. Um, I came to uh uh a child sex abuse unit  of the Maryland State Police, met Chris Hyde,   saw things that he was doing, helping out kids  and and locking up human traffickers and said,  

"Up, that's something that I need to get behind  and I need to learn how to do that." And then   uh just was very privileged privileged to be able  to be trained by Chris and and go out there and   do a lot of really good things and help a lot  of really cool kids and and uh and and kind of   learn a very nasty under uh side of the society.  So very grateful to be here. So So real quick,   um just a brief overview of and if I keep saying  we, I apologize. It's the first time without being   a trooper. Um but it's a small unit that  investigates missing exploited children.   Um they assist all other police departments  in the state. Um if you get an Amber Alert,   um there's two people now that do those. Um we  no longer do those. Um but we we Maryland State   Police is responsible issuing the Amber Alerts,  the silver alerts, which everybody's probably   familiar with. um work with Mick Nickmick and  um the Maryland Center for Missing Children as   well. Um and basically the work that that this  unit does and we've worked with a lot of a lot   of municipalities, a lot of we work with Harford  County. Um I know a recent case that we had up   in Bel Air um we're they're able to kind of pick  and choose the cases they work the more vulnerable   children. Um studies will show that the children  that run away three to four times um those are   your cases you want to go after, especially young  females. Um this is a crime. This trafficking is   is a thing that involves men as well or boys. Um  but the vast majority of these cases are young   girls. So you get a young girl that runs away  three or four times. Um back old school policing   was that we would call that like a frequent flyer  or that child will be back. She runs away all   the time. She always comes back. Well guess what?  She's not going to sometimes. The first case that   I worked in January 2011 um when I came fresh  into the unit and I'm sitting there waiting to   get a laptop issued to me and all these different  things and I'm seeing these everybody sees these   missing children posters and the first one I saw  was a young lady was missing out of Prince William   County, Virginia. Um, she missing for nine months.  Um, I went to the sergeant in charge. I was like,   "Hey, Sergeant, I see this missing kid poster. Do  you mind?" Like, it said she had ties to Maryland.   He's like, "Yeah, go ahead. Contact the officer."  So, I called down her still assigned to a patrol   officer who I knew wasn't doing anything. Um, and  I asked him, I said, "Hey, like I see this missing  

girl. Like, is there anything I can do to help  you? I see she has ties to Maryland. He's like,   "Hey, man, whatever you want to do." His words,  "Knock your socks off." He's like, "She always   comes back." And I'm like, "But it's been nine  months and she's still not back." So anyway,   it basically took and I'm not and I don't say  anything to brag about the work we did because the   work that we do in this unit that we I used to do  is um it's it's just time very time consuming. The   majority of the work that you do is after the fact  and we'll talk about that a little bit later but   um I spend about two weeks doing subpoenas um  through Facebook. I get a phone number from   Facebook, send the Facebook the phone number off  and I get a a hit on a a prostitution website.   Contact them, get a new subpoena out and I get a  new phone number with a current ad that's posted   in College Park, Maryland. So within hours, we go  down with the FBI, we arrest a pimp, we arrest a   bottom girl, and we recover the juvenile who had  been missing for nine months of eight and a half   with which she had been prostituted, pimped out  by a pimp. Um, and I don't say that to to dis uh,   you know, talk bad about the officer that had the  case. That's just the way old school policing was.   So after that case, um, and again, we were just  a missing kid unit at this time. I had no idea   what prostitution was. I had no idea what human  trafficking was. If you ask me what it was then,   I would say, "Oh, that's like girls that, you  know, dress provocatively, maybe hang out at the   strip club." I would have never imagined that it  was a 15-year-old girl that was being pimped out.   Um, so it kind of got the wheels going. Um, we got  really involved and we started this thing with um,   a victim- centered approach um, with the Maryland  State Police and it was basically saying like   we are not going to arrest these people. We've  met I've personally met thousands. Austin's met   hundreds if not a thousand. We go out and we make  these dates and we're all our goal is our goal was   my goal was was to um number one was to rescue  children, number two was to assist anyone that   needed help. Um and number three was to arrest a  a pimp or a trafficker. And it was in that order.   I didn't want to mess up one and two to get to  three, if that makes sense. Like we wanted to make   sure that that person was stable. Um so we started  this thing and we're like, "Hey, let's get these   nonprofit organizations out with us." Um, so when  we go out and and Miss Mhoff's been out with us  

before from her prior work that she did and um, we  want that help of the community. So we'll go out,   we make these dates and it's it's it's funny going  into these rooms and you meet these young ladies.   Um, and I can say that out of the thousand that  I've met, maybe one hand that I can count where   I walked out and I was like, you know what, like  that person actually is doing this because they   want to do it. um it's always someone or sometimes  something, but typically it's someone that's   making these want the girls to do this stuff.  And most sometimes most of the time we don't   find out about it. We're never going to identify a  trafficker, but in the cases that we do and we're   able to make a recovery um you know, it's it's  a great case and it's it really goes a long way.   Um one of the partnerships we built um with the  MSP is with the FBI. Um we would not be able to   do this work without the FBI's involvement. Um,  why that's important is because most of these   traffickers will take young ladies or or boys  to other states. So, anything with a nexus, I95,   perfect example. I mean, they can be from New New  York down to Virginia in a matter of hours. So,   we need those contacts. Um, so I would say, "Hey,  we have this young lady uh that down in Florida   right now. Can you give me the Austin Mueller of  the Florida high state police or whatever or you   know, New North Carolina? We want to get these  other investigators that are linked together."   And the FBI was very good with providing that type  of thing. Um, and I have a a slide up here with   the and I don't know if these numbers are correct.  This was correct as of about eight months ago. Um,   well, it's probably now 15 task force officers  because Austin's not there anymore. Yeah, the   numbers have dwindled unfortunately. Sorry. It's  definitely with law enforcement staffing. It's um,   so yeah, so we have those resources available to  us. Do you want to uh Yeah. So, um, uh, we we get   this a lot and, um, and Chris and I, we we do a  lot of these talks and and do a lot of trainings   for mostly law enforcement, but sometimes we  find ourselves in in different boards. Um,   and and we get we get, uh, very often, hey, what  is human trafficking? What is this, what is that,  

right? Um, and more more so, we we we try not to  have I try not to sit here and read a PowerPoint   the entire time as we go through all of this.  Um, but we're getting people that are being   forced into sex, right? When whether it's whether  they're being held against their will, uh, or in   a put in a position that they feel like they're  being held against their will. Um, we can talk   about it later, but one thing we we find a lot is,  uh, licenses being confiscated by pimps with these   young girls, and that puts them in a position  that they feel they can't leave, right? Um,   and then hence that is the trafficking even though  they're not being there held in chains like a lot   of these movies portray, right? there is there  is this drive there is this factor there's this   fear of if they leave that person that they're  that they're they're being held there right that   there there's going to be some sort of harm um  that is that is trafficking right by by every   point of the word we can we can articulate that  that is trafficking um we see that in extensive   amount of times um very little do we see the again  the the Hollywood side of things where it's people   being chained in a basement not saying that we  don't see it just saying it's very very little   um we we see the the fear of the for all the  corrosion of maintaining these victims by these   traffickers. Um, again, I I I don't want to  go through and just completely re read off all   the slideshows, and I apologize if the viewers at  home can't see it, but uh I would be doing a great   disservice to your citizens if I sat here and  tried to read the PowerPoint 30 feet ahead of me.   So, one of the other great things about working  again with the federal partners is the the federal   laws are so much stricter. Um, and there's that  minimum mandatory. Um, and I think it's at least   10 years in most cases, 15 years as a juvenile.  Um, but those those sentences are are very severe.   We interview pimps as well and the pimps will tell  you back when we interview them like you know I we   had a pimp one day that was had two 18-year-old  girls with him and to us like you're despicable   but to him he's like but I don't have a kid like  I heard about Maryland I know you all real strict   on kids I'm like so it's 17 it's okay I mean 18  it's okay but 17's problem um but yeah that's   just the mentality of these these individuals but  we do like the fact that we have the federal laws  

um and I know in certain jurisdictions and I  I don't know Harford County specifically but   I know in certain jurisdictions this it is more  of a penalty, a severe penalty. Um, but the feds   is definitely the what the the pimps are worried  about. Um, so who are the victims? And I I put   this in here and I and we we've taught thousands  of law enforcement officers here in Maryland. Uh,   we've taught in other states as well. We we taught  a one in Arkansas and literally five minutes into   it, a deputy raised his hand. He said, "We only  got that problem down here in Arkansas." And   I went up on the website and I pulled it up and  within two minutes, I mean, I had hundreds of ads   uh prostitution act. And I said to him at that  point, I was like, "If you have drugs, if you   have prostitution, you have human trafficking."  Um, I don't care where it is. The only place I   can say that I've been, we did an operation out  in Deep Creek Lake once, and I we found like one   ad. There's still something going on out there,  um, where we're not familiar. Law enforcement is   not familiar with where it is, where it's being  advertised. Um, but the victims that we typically   focus on are the foster youth. Um, we hammer  that in in our trainings with law enforcement,   especially those that are taking missing person  reports. Um and even when we do um you know these   types of pre presentations for victim advocates  is those are the kids that get lost. Um every   single case that I've worked um every juvenile  victim Austin's working as well. Um it's never   been a mom and a dad involved. Like so parents are  like what can I do to help to protect my kids? I'm   like you have you're first of all you're involved  in your child's life. You a man and a husband or   husband and wife whatever it may be two parents  um you're so far ahead of this right the kids   that are being impacted are the foster youth. um  by far the majority of the cases. Um and I always   use the word no constant because they don't have a  constant in their life. I still have a constant in   my life. I'm I'm 52 I'm 51 51 years old. I still  have parents that are asking me where I am every   day. Um, so I have that constant and it's it's  it's rewarding, but it also sucks when you go into   a group home as an older man, two older white men,  and you meet a 15-year-old young African-American   female who's in a group home with her peers and  she comes running across the hallway to give you a   hug because she's just so happy to see you and you  feel really good about yourself and you're like,  

you feel really bad, too. Like that's what  this poor kid's got to look forward to because   guess what? Nobody else pays attention  to her. Nobody else asked her a week ago,   what do you want? What's your favorite lunch? and  she says Chipotle and the next time you come you   bring her Chipotle. So, she's not used to that.  Um, and I don't want to get in on social services   and things like that. We teach that as well, but  like it just needs to be there needs to be more   um more awareness, more um working with children.  Um I was on a panel with um uh Safe Harbor and I   kept beating the drum. They're like, "We got to,  you know, pass the legislation that you can't lock   up kids for prostitution." I'm like, "We're  not." I said, "Can we talk about services?"   Because that's where we really lack here is we  lack services for those children. Um we we can   find them all we want but guess what? Austin has a  case right now he's working where the young lady's   already ran away how many times? Four three four  times. Three or four times. Um and it just it's a   constant struggle to get the help they need. But  side part anyway. Um but most of the victims have   low self-esteem. Um I I I kind of equivcal like to  like social media. Um, and I don't mean to sound   this to sound disrespectful at all when I say  this, but like, you know, you hear like, "Oh, that   girl's a 10 or that guy, he's a 10." The pimps and  traffickers are not going after the tens. They're   going after the ones and twos. They're they're  stalking these Facebook pages, these social   media pages of these young ladies, say young  ladies, it could be anything. But, um, mainly   the young women who don't have any likes. So, if  she's posting a selfie and it's got zero likes,   that's a target because all it's going to take  is that person to send a a message saying, "Hey,   I think you're beautiful." and and it's they're  hooked. Um and again, individuals impairments   manip and again we see lots of man manipulation  techniques, individuals with addiction issues,   um that's a whole another ball game trying to get  those people help. Um because you have to treat   the addiction before you can treat the trauma  or vice versa. Um and that's a whole another   thing that's that's hard to work through. There  you go. Uh yeah. So some indicators that you'll   see uh we'll we'll harp on a lot of it. Um, and I  mentioned the license thing a little bit earlier,  

but just no identification on the purpose on  the person. We we try to teach this a lot for   our guys, especially being Maryland State Police,  they're out there making a ton of traffic stops,   understandably so. Um, and we're like, hey, if  you're trying to identify people within the build,   within a within a vehicle or within a scene and  and the guy has, you know, numerous IDs or a   lot of the belongings of the female, um, that  that's a clue and just kind of raise eyebrow,   raise a red flag. Uh, brandings. When we say  brandings, uh, we're referring to tattoos. We   don't mean actual like burnt brands. Um although  we have seen that as well. Um but more more about   u crowns um power, money, respect um and and  the pimp's name or whatever their street name   would be. Um or some some variation of those of  those items within tattoos on their body. Um it's   pretty easy for us to ask them. Most most in our  in our experience, most of women are are pretty   forthcoming with showing us their tattoos. I mean,  especially when sometimes unfortunately it's how   we identify bodies. Um, and and that kind of when  we ask things like, "Hey, do you have any tattoos   that are unique to you that we can see the you  know, god forbid anything happens to you?" Um,   and they and also as a guy who has a lot of  tattoos, I like to just show off my tattoos,   too, so they feel the same way. Um, but also  uh we we talk about lies uh quite often. Uh,   and it's something that we kind of get honed in  on in uh on court preferences, right? Or court   proceedings because um everybody lies is we don't  really believe many people when we first walk   into a room. In fairness, I wouldn't want to be  talking to cops either. I get it. We understand   the position that they find themselves in. Um and  uh and we we kind of have ways to combat that.   Chris and I like to think we're funny. So, anytime  we went into a room, we always try to make people   laugh and relax them a little bit and then they'd  stop lying. Um and it kind of touches on our fear   our fearful thing. Obviously, if these these  young victims here are doing this, they're they're   scared. They're they're whether they're scared of  us or scared of the trafficker or scared of what   the trafficker is going to do to them if they  think they talk to us. Um it's it's definitely   stuff that we've we've had to go we've had to go  around um and in some cases even uh fake arrest   girls to get them out and then just take them to  dinner and then you know just let them let them  

go from there and under the the guys that they've  been arrested so their pimp doesn't go after them   and they get a break. Um but yeah so some of  the different hotspots and again we we talked   um the hotels, the motel along the highways,  airports um BWI is a major hub. Um people can fly   in and out of there. their pimps will send girls  from surprisingly to me was Nevada. I thought that   would be an easy one. They're like, "No, no,  like you make more money here in the Baltimore   metropolitan area than you would Nevada." I  think at this point Maryland's I mean, um, yeah,   Maryland's like number four in the country as far  as making money in this this type of work. Um,   again, drugs lead to prostitution, prostitution  leads to trafficking. We talked about that early   and it I firmly believe that human trafficking is  everywhere. It's um it's it's in this community.   Um, and I have a slide coming up on that. Um, and  I'm I know in the interest of of saving some time,   I want to go through a little bit of some of the  hotels that we go through. Um, we've done training   for the hotels. Um, we we go in and talk to these  hotels. We get, and again, everybody buys in. It's   not like you're going up and, you know, we we  never have issues with hotels cooperating with   us saying, "Hey, I think this young lady in this  room may be a victim of trafficking. They're going   to help us out." So, we use that to our advantage.  Um, how do they post this stuff? Um, Back Page   used to be the site. Backpage was a legitimate  website. Um, they were very law enforcement   friendly. Um, I hate to say it out loud, but like  when Back Page went away, like the government,   the federal government got involved and they shut  it down. But if we found like that 15-year-old   girl that I found out in Prince George's County,  I sent an email, a simple email to um, it was um,   records at backpage.com. I said, "Exit request.  Hey, I'm out with a 14, sorry, 15-year-old young   lady." And within five minutes, I had a respond  from them. So yeah, they were making a lot of   money on what they were doing, but at the end of  the day, um it was it was one central website that   was um all these girls were posting. So we had  a young lady that ran away from MCGomery County.   Um we recovered her. She we put her in placement.  She runs away again. She ends up in Philadelphia.   We go to Back Page Philadelphia and we're able  to find the young lady based off a tattoo on her   wrist. Um so it was very simple. Um but again, I  I know all this stuff's blurred out, but these are  

like basically an ad. It's it's it's it's like any  other ad that you would see like it could be for   a dishwasher. This is advertising sex. Um, and  this is what you're going to see. Um, back page   gets shut down. So, you go from one site to, and  here's just about six of them that we posted. Um,   so when we were doing these things, it was like,  you know, we were always on back page. I was like,   "Hey, Austin, you go on this one, I'll do this  one." Um, it didn't really stop. Um, all it did   was force these these different companies to go  overseas. Um, so that's where everything's hosted   from. Well, guess what? Now we don't get subpoenas  to them. Um, because they're not going to respond   to that kind of stuff. But it's basically an  ad that's similar to it. It's very clear. Um,   you don't have to be an expert to testify in  court that that is a prostitution ad. And again,   then there after that, after the contacts made  and the interviews are made, you determine whether   you have trafficking or not. I pulled this up  this morning at 11:00 a.m. Um, there was five,   and I just typed in Aberdeen on a website called  Listcaller. There were five ads that were posted   in the Aberdeen area for prostitution. We  talked about brandings a little bit. Um,   this is what we I have a picture of what you  would see. Um the one on the right there was   a young lady that we um um we knew about this  pimp. We ended up meeting this young lady. I said,   "Can I see your tattoo?" She pulled her hair up  and like the hair on my arm stood up. I was like,   "Oh, like we got this guy now." Um because she  had told us, she gives a lot of information that   was very valuable to sentencing this young  man to like 15 years in prison. Um again,   some more. This was a a date we made at a a hotel.  We went down to the front desk. Hey, we're in this   room. This girl was like 19. I'm like, "Oh yeah,  she checked in with another girl. She's in another   room. We went up to that young room to that room.  Knocked on that door. Same exact tattoo. Um they   sworded up now and they didn't know each other.  Um but again, they were so scared of these pimps.   This was a pimp that was um out of Toledo, Ohio  that um we were able to put information together   that got him sentenced out there showing that he  was that he transported victims to another state   and he got federal federal case out there. Uh some  of the evidence you see and in the interest of   um you know we're at like 20 minutes now. Um but  obviously condoms, some journals, lubricants,  

um phys physical neglect. Um one of the things  we always do when we go in is a and we know we   have a victim is we say when was the last time  you ate? Because the mass majority of these time   these girls have what they call a quota. Um it's  either a certain amount of money they required to   make or a certain amount of dates they're required  to make. Um and they don't have any money. So we   say like I just can I see your money because if  I don't see money, you you clearly already told   us you made three or four dates today. I don't  want your money. I'm not going to take your money,   but if you have money, that's good for me to say.  If you don't, then I'm pretty sure you have a   pimp. Um, so we've had numerous times where we've  gone like, "We haven't eaten dinner yet. Let's   get a pizza." And the girl's like, "I haven't  eaten in two days." Okay, cool. Let's sit down,   have a pizza. We'll sit on the floor and eat a  pizza while the girl sits in the chair. And again,   we're just trying to build rapport. We're trying  to get, again, we're trying to make a case if we   can, but at the end of the day, we make sure  she's okay. Austin brought up fake arresting.   We've done that numerous times where I'm like,  I know, you don't have to tell me. I know you   probably have a pimp sitting on the in the lock in  the parking lot. Let's do this. How about I throw   you in handcuffs. We'll put you in my car because  he ain't going to believe that the police showed   up and didn't arrest you, right? They're going to  think you didn't get ar if they're going to think   that you robbed that that you know like you you're  stealing money. So, we've done these things before   where I'm like, let's put you in handcuffs. Let's  get you out of here. As far as he knows, you're   you've been arrested. The other thing is um while  we're sitting there sometimes making these dates   and Miss Imov can attest to this, that phone will  start ringing and it'll say daddy. And I'm like,   I know who that is. Like I know you don't want  to tell me who it is. I know who it is. Let me   just say this. We're in this room, whether we are  police officers or you're in here beating your   butt. He's not coming back. And I in 15 years,  never once has a pimp come back to a room. They're   long gone. So we use that to our advantage as well  to show these these young ladies that these men   are not your boyfriends. They're not they don't  care about you. Um, we've had other girls that'll   say, "No, you don't understand. Like, I get my  nails done. I get my hair done. He buys all that   for me." I'm like, "He what do you mean by that?"  Well, he he buys it for me. I was like, "What's   his job? What do you mean?" I'm like, "What is his  job?" Like, "You're telling me he's getting your  

nails, getting your hair done, but you made that  money and you gave it to him and he gave you money   back." And then it's just like this manipulation  that they just don't understand what's going on.   They're like finally like a light bulb like,  "Oh my god, like I'm being manipulated." Um,   so we again things that we use to our advantage.  Um, physical trauma, we talk about that all day.   The mental trauma is a whole another thing.  Um, this case that Austin's working right now,   um, it was a a young lady that was recovered a  juvenile at a hotel in Baltimore County. Austin   did I retired, a couple days later. Austin's  done a phenomenal job on this case. Um,   ends up gets a warrant for two pimps. Um, and  when he locks up the pimp, guess what he's got   with him? Another juvenile. Um, so again, the  trauma that this young lady, and I've met her,   um, and that girl's got a long road ahead of her  and the thing that sucks is we don't have the   resources to help her. Um, we try and Austin,  he was there today or yesterday with her. Um,   it's it's just it's hard, but it's again, it's  well worth it. Um, this is a picture I took. Um,   Secretary Wman Smith went out on a ride along with  us the first day we made the girl jumped out of a   third story building. Um he wanted to come out  and see how it was and I was like, "Oh, this   is great." Um but her pimp told her to get out of  there and the only way out was out the window. Um   she ended up breaking her hip or her knee and like  several other bones all because he told her to   leave. Um I'm sorry. You want to jump in? No. It  this is when we interview victims, again, I said   before Chris and I like to think that we're pretty  funny, so we try to utilize humor to break through   barriers. It's really tough. Um these these kids,  a lot of these victims, they've been through more   grotesque things than you can imagine. Um, and  we we find that you can't really go under there   thinking like wearing a uniform and then thinking  that you're gonna get a good reaction out of   people. You got to be a human, you know? It's it's  the worst day of their life. Most of the times   that they see a cop and that's not good, right?  So, uh, we we make sure that we treat them well   with respect. We understand that this is probably  not what they want to be doing in their life,  

right? Doesn't mean that we disrespect them in any  way. We just try to be humor. We don't judge them.   There's nothing about that. We just try to help  them the best way that we can help them. Sometimes   it's it's just getting them resources. Um and  then most importantly, especially even more so   with our juveniles, we follow up. A lot of our job  is spent going back and just spending time. It's   just genuinely just taking an interest in people's  lives that are a little bit less fortunate right   now and that you hope they have a great outcome  and they can kind of spread the wealth to somebody   else. Um we had an interview this morning with  a young girl who was in the system. um and uh   is luckily got resources and she's going to she's  in the process of getting her master's degree for   her social working degree so that way she can go  back and help the victims that like like her. And   it's just it's it's been very rewarding. But it  just goes to show that the people that wind up in   this they are worth they're worth saving. It's a  bigger problem than than than half of society even   knows. And we we teach law enforcement and social  workers especially is the follow-up thing is like   if you don't it you're done. like you're just like  every other person that let that child down. So,   if you tell them you're going to be somewhere, you  better. And if you're not, you're done. You you   better you better at least make a phone call.  Um again, I have some photos here of some of   the victims um nothing specific. Uh it's it's all  different uh individuals um that we've run across.   I've we we've gotten young girls as young as 12  and as old as 76. 76. Um, now that was one of the   ones of the five that said that she came up from  Texas because she needed um insulation for her   home. Um, and she told me that she had a lot of  men up here that paid her for that. Um, again, we   didn't treat her any differently. Uh, we offered  her resources, but she made one for so long. But   um, but yeah, 12 years old was actually the pimp's  idea was that he had no idea, even though her idea   of fun was coloring in a coloring book. Um, I I'm  not going to pretend to know a lot about massage   powers. We don't do a lot of work with massage  powers because again, we're looking for children.   I don't know of a case anywhere recently where  we've had um children located in a massage parlor,  

but I do know that that again is something that  happens everywhere. I do know that they just   recently had something up here in Harvard County  and they do I know they did a great job with that.   Um through here um so some of the resources  that are available and this is like probably   the one of the last slides here, but again we  don't do this work without victim partners,   victim advocates. Um, I will say in closing, one  of the the most rewarding case that I've ever had   did not involve an arrest. Um, it involved a a  young lady who was 23 years old at the time that   I encountered her. Uh, she was being trafficked  quite obviously. Um, but it took about four   interactions with her before we finally got her to  get the help that she needed. Um, she ended up she   had a she was a and she was come from a very well  family up in Monton, Maryland. Uh, went to a very   prestigious high school, ended up at a very nice  college. um had a car accident and ended up on um   um uh pain medication. Pain medication got cut  off. She ends up down in Baltimore and gets hooked   up with a guy for Oxycontton. Uh and then heroin.  Um he starts pimping her out for Sarah for several   months. Um long story short, again, we just stayed  at it, kept maintaining contact, kept interviewing   her, kept meeting with her, had other detectives  meet with her to the point where she finally said,   "Okay, I want to get the help I need." She went  away for nine months. Um and did fantastic. did   amazing actually. Um, and I never I knew who the  pimp was, but she never wanted to talk about it.   That's fine. Like the biggest thing is you get the  help you need. Um, fast forward to last September,   I was invited to her wedding. My wife and I were  invited to her wedding where she met a young man   who's facing similar struggles. Um, and they doing  remarkably well. I just got a text two months ago   that she had her first child. Um, I asked her, she  didn't name it Christina at my request. Um, but   she's doing fantastic. I still to this day keep in  contact with this young lady who I met in 2015. Um   it doesn't cost me anything other than some time  on the phone. I didn't put a lot of work into it   other than showing compassion. Last slide here. Um  we picked up this young lady. This was Rich Priner  

and I. Rich was a Baltimore County detective. Um  she was in foster care in and out of foster care.   She did not like the foster care facility she was  at. And I said, "Well, that's we don't want to   do that. We want to send you back there. I don't  want you to run away again. Like where would you   want to go?" She's like, "I have no idea." I said,  "Let's play a game. If you could pick anywhere in   this world that you want to go, where would that  be?" Her words, "I want to go home. I want to go   to a home. I've never had a home before." I was  like, "Oh, wow. That sucks." And that was pretty   early on in my career with this work. So, that was  a motivating factor for me. Um, and again, that's   this is one young lady. Um, she's a sweetheart.  We still also keep in touch. Um, she's got the   help she needs. She actually got adopted at age  17 and a half years old in Frederick County,   and we were invited to that as well. Um, so again,  just different things, but it does happen. It is   here. Um, and um, again, I the state police would  when Austin gets back, we'll be more than happy to   help you. Um, and there's Austin's information.  Austin is at the Waterl Barrack. If you'd like   to call and talk, he loves to chat on the phone.  Um, so if you just Google the Waterl Bar, he'd   be more than happy to talk to you on the phone  as well. Thank you guys for having us. So, um,   thank you for inviting us. uh me especially and I  want to thank you for your presentation but more   importantly I want to thank you for your years of  dedication to the kids I mean it's unbelievable   you said 30 years 14 years for you Austin that's  amazing um but when you go home at night how do   you get away from it um I think it's my warp sense  of humor it's it's like I I I use that kind of   like I think a shield like I just you know like  you've got to I don't know like it's I I try to   see the best in everybody and like and and Again,  I think Austin's done the same thing is like we   try not to talk about it. Like when we, you know,  you go and see these things, it's horrible. But   I think then seeing the positive impact you have,  I think it makes it that much easier. But my wife   knows not to ask questions about it. So when I  I have in most cases, I have a 45 to minute to   an hour ride home. So I have plenty of time to to  decompress thinking of that. Um I mean maybe down  

the road I'll need some help. I don't know. But  right now I feel like I'm okay. I can attest to   that Chris needs help immediately. Uh, but having  having a supportive spouse, I I couldn't imagine   doing this without a supportive spouse at home to  be able to do it. Just working child crimes for as   long as we both have and then dealing with kids  that have been abused sexually and physically at   the extent of what we've seen. It's, you know, you  develop a warp sense of humor and it's really hard   not to sit here and crack jokes this entire time  because otherwise it gets like way too serious.   So, uh, but, uh, but no, it's it's it's pretty  it's very rewarding. So, kind of helps. Well,   I uh recently was asked a question about human  trafficking and I wasn't really prepared to answer   it fully by any stretch of the imagination. When  I came back to the office and I spoke to Moh both   Allison and Nolanda, they both said, "Oh, well, we  can take care of that." And uh so that brought us   to tonight. So Allison, if you'd like to comment.  Sure. Um so Harford County is um sometimes a very   old school county and so a lot of people don't  want to believe that human trafficking is here.   Um the young lady who was just recovered  this past fall that you're still working   on the case. She was a runaway from Harford  County and she had been missing we found her   in September and she had been missing since May  and people stopped looking for her after a month.   Um she was in a hotel in Talson. Um she was a  young lady who has a lot of issues, but she was a   really sweet young she is a very sweet young lady  and I just want to give you guys a special shout,   especially Austin. Um you guys have maintained  a really great relationship with her. She's got   a lot of issues. They gave me grief because I  was out with them earlier that evening and then   I ended up leaving before they um took her to a  placement out in Frederick Haggertown. Haggertown  

and I didn't go along with them for that ride. Um,  but they have maintained remarkable relationship   with her. And I know it's a difficult case, but  you guys were able to get charges pressed against   two traffickers in two separate states for one  young lady who ended up you end up recovering   another youth. Yeah, we're still that case is we  can't talk too much about it. It's still ongoing.   There are additional victims. It's kind of it's  still being worked. But it was a young lady,   a teenager, one of our teenagers. Um, and that's  just one of them. The irony of that case is   um we had gone out that night and we were kind  of wrapping things up and Austin just happened   to be scrolling through ads and we were  parked in a parking lot and he goes, "Oh,   I got one here." Um, so you can't help but think  that it was right place at the right time. But   they've done a remarkable job with that case and  I'm looking forward to seeing a conclusion to it.   So, thank you. Thank you, Nolan. Thank you for  your presentation. I'm a child and adolescent   therapist, but I also worked in the courts um in  Cecil in which I worked with um social services   and a lot of children who ended up coming into  care because they we found them trafficked in the   motel on 40. Um then it would run away from the  foster parent. And so I know that cyclical kind of   thing. I just had a couple questions. Um because I  think I was a little surprised by Maryland having   the number four seat in this um game even though  I know the 40 Carter, the 95 Carter, and the 270   Carter were always where I hear a lot of movement  going on. But do you seem to think there's been   an increase in number of actual trafficked youth  or has it remained flat? I feel like it's more  

pronounced now in the media and we hear it more  than I used to hear it. I just knew it because I   was in the field, but I feel like it's we hear it  more. Do you think the numbers are kind of raising   in that? I I I think it's more just the awareness  is there now. Okay. So, I don't think it's really   changed. I think it's always been there. It's just  now the awareness has changed. But then there's   also, you know, once you lost Back Page, like  and and when that happened that day, we're like,   uhoh, like what do we do now? But luckily we had  contacts with young ladies, adults, and I would   like hey like I know you're still doing your thing  like what are you using now? So we'd have to reach   out and like learn from them like what apps are  you using? Um I think there might be some that's   hidden like some of them might be on like Snapchat  now or you know um you know and some of the other   ones like um Only Fans we've been asked about  that but the that gets you have to subscribe to   that you have to pay for that and then you can't  really have like a undercover identity on there.   Um so yeah I think it's probably about the same. I  think it's just the the light that's being shined   on it is is so much greater, which is a good  thing. Um, you know, and again, like we talked   to the pimp and he's like, I don't mess with kids  in Maryland. Like, okay, but team's okay. Like,   um, but it just even that's a win, you know, I  guess that that guy's like, yeah, I don't I'm   not taking my chances. And then on the other side  of the coin, I think we can say that we've seen   an uptick in um kind of a quasi trafficking of um  uh just pedophilia and um like dads prostituting   their daughters with other pedophiles. Um I  mean i.e. trafficking in in a sense. So you   can get those charges. We can go after that side  of things. We see that has grown significantly   um over over time. uh even just the last eight  years that I've been doing child sex crimes,   child sex abuse, um that's been very prevalent.  But the I agree with Chris in the sense of the   the more typical uh commercial sex trafficking  is I think it's just getting a lot more pressed,   which is good, which is good, but um I don't  think it's going up any. And my next question is,   do you think the average age has um gone down?  I feel like a lot of 11year-old and 12y olds  

are more involved in social media and actually  doing a lot more texting of older gentlemen to   get that where my foster care kids what I used to  work with wanted was the unconditional love. They   weren't getting it at home so they were looking  for love in all the wrong places technically. Um   do you see that age going down? I think so. I  I agree with that because I think when I first   started doing this back in 2011 I mean we it was  new then. I mean it's it's only been a few years.   Um, but I think now like yes, that that the ages  have come down because I mean there's so many   girls that are sexualized at a young age. Um, and  again your foster kids are just they're just not   being monitored. Like and again even teaching  internet safety classes it's like what can I   do? And I'm like just just being that involved in  your life. Check your kids phone once in a while   um to try and stop that from happening.  But yes, I definitely agree with that. Um and do you feel like any of them have  you have any data on returns home to actual   family members um or do they end up usually just  the the un unfortunately the vast majority of the   girls age out of the system? Okay. Um and we try  to encourage because I think they can stay and   miss 21. We try to encourage that. I'm like listen  like and I don't want to say use or play the game   but I'm like look you have people that care about  you like like just stay in that system as long   as you can. And a lot will but some unfortunately  like as soon as I turn 18 I'm checking myself out   and then the cycle repeats again unfortunately.  Um, and we we have one that's recently up this way   that was placed up here. Um, and I thought she was  going to stay. I thought we had her convinced and   then at 18 in one day she was gone. Um, so yeah,  I think um I don't I I don't know. I guess really   don't know what to say. I don't know what you you  have any I I think it's hit and miss. I think it   just depends on the child and then whatever assets  that law enforcement and social workers are able   to get to him to hopefully make a good enough  impact for him to stay. It's very rare though   that I mean it's very rare to have one with a  family that is involved in it to begin with.   The young lady that I brought that I went to the  wedding that was very rare and again she was 23  

at the time that we met her. Um I think she's what  30 now. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh   anyone else? Mr. Bennett. Um yeah, thank you for  this presentation. It's uh like kind of painful   and hurtful to listen to, but it's also I think  important for the public to learn about. Um, I was   just curious because it sounds like it's a very  small team. How do you prevent yourselves from   being identifiable like from a visual perspective  when you walk through a parking lot to try and   meet one of these people and and help them? I I  think the thing that works for us is the fact that   when we go in there, we tell them that we are a  specialty unit that goes out looking for children.   So, I think immediately as soon as you tell them  that because most of the time they're adults and   I think as soon as you say that, it's a little  bit of a okay, I'm I'm an adult. I'm like, okay,   cool. Look, all I'm asking you to do is like don't  put me out there. Like please don't put us out   there on blast that we're out here. Um don't burn  our phone numbers and they will sometimes. Um but   unless they have a warrant, we tell them they're  not they're not being placed under arrest. So I   think again we talked about at the very beginning  like people rally behind that. I think this is a   really good thing um that you're out here looking  for police officers and there's there's message   boards out there that these young people talk  on as well and you'll see it. They're like,   "Oh, these guys are actually really cool." Um like  they're not here to arrest you. They are looking   for kids. And we again, we leave our phone number  at every single one of them. And like the last six   months, I was leaving Austin's number. I'm like,  I'm gone. Um, but it's like just if you see this,   call us because we are interested. And I, it's  interesting like we'd like to be a fly on the   wall when we leave because like I still think that  until they close that door, they're like, "These   cops are still lying to me. They're still going  to arrest me." And then finally when they close   the door, they're like, "Okay, wow. They actually  didn't arrest me." Because that's just the way   they've been treated in the past is, you know,  every you've been arrested before. Yes. For what?   Prostitution. Okay. What happened? And that's  when we first started doing this. Again, we got a   lot of push back from different jurisdictions. I'm  like, this is the way I'm saying we're doing it is   we're not arresting these girls. We are literally  going in, we're trying to offer services, we're  

trying to get them the help they need to stop it.  Um, but other jurisdictions did arrest and we use   that to our advantage. We I thought of training  in Salsbury and before I got across the bridge, I   was getting a call saying, "Did you tell them they  couldn't?" I'm like, "No, it's a law. You can't,   you know, you can't arrest." I said, "This is  what we do and this is what works for us." I mean,   it's been very beneficial with information. We've  recovered numerous kids based off of adult girls   in the in the game that have provided information  to us. Um, so we use that to our advantage. So,   so yeah, as far as being like burned or No, we  don't. I mean, and we're all over the state,   too. Now, if we're in a small jurisdiction,  it might be a little different. Um,   but we're all over the state. So, we might be in  we I'm not anymore. Might be in Salsbury one day   and Frederick the next day. So, it's a, you know,  it's a broader and and thanks to the partnership   with the FBI that we have, we're able to swap out  vehicles pretty regularly if we would like. Um,   and then just the nature of what we're doing, they  don't really see us until they open the door. A   lot of times the pimps are posting the ads, making  the chats, texting us back and forth when we're   doing it. It's significantly easier obviously  to obscure yourself and, you know, in an online   presence. U, but by the time we already know where  we're going, it doesn't really matter, right? If   they don't want to open the door, we'll wait. You  know, it's not it's not u it's not really hard to   get through that barrier, if you will. And we  only had the one that didn't open the door. She   jumped out the window. She jumped out the window.  Yeah. Every other ones they open the door. So, um   and then I wanted to ask about I think the acronym  is CSAM like child sexual abuse material. Yes. Um,   is there overlap in the uh like production of  that content and this work as and like do you   find that often it's these same kids that are  being abused in that way too? Um, that's kind of   a loaded that's a bit of a loaded one. Um, which  we could probably definitely we could definitely   talk offline much clearer uh as soon as we start  getting into the child sexual abuse material. It's  

really hard for me to talk about that and maintain  like a clean presentation for folks at home just   because the nature of it is grotesque. Um but um  there is a significant amount of overlap between   pedophilia and human trafficking. Um now if you  are paying to have sex with what you believe is an   underage person, the likelihood of you recording  that if you're aware is significantly higher and   then sub subjectifying that that victim all over  the internet. um that they they typically often go   back and sell it and we investigate that side  of it. And sometimes our cases come through   um through the National Center for Missing  and Exploited Children, NickMick for short,   and then based off of CSAM, uh and we're able  to investigate it that way. Um but again,   uh for the purposes of today's presentation,  I don't think you want me talking about that   stuff in front. Absolutely not. Okay, I will, but  I got to warn you, it's bad. Yeah, I drew a line   at that. I was like, I don't want to look at that.  I just wasn't sure if it was the same populations   of No, I understand sir. I understand it. Again,  it's it's a it's a loaded question and again   uh as as Miss has come out with us that we like  to uh open our our doors in our arms willingly   if anybody ever wants to come on out and see the  different side of society and kind of get a better   understanding for yourself. We'd love to have  people. So, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bennett.   Anyone else? Gentlemen, I want to thank you for  the service you provide our citizens. And it's   unfortunate that you have to do that, but thank  you. Thank you for coming tonight. Thank you,   sir. Alison, thank you for setting it up.  Anytime. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Agenda number seven, approval of  minutes, legislative day 25-010,   March 17, 2026. Are there any  corrections to the minutes? There being no corrections to the minutes,  they stand approved. Eight. Introduction and  

consideration of resolutions. Mr. Jano, please  read in bill 26003. Bill 26-003 appropriation   special pays as introduced by the council  president Vincenti at the request of the   county executive and act to make a supplemental  appropriation of funds from the general fund   for the current fiscal year to provide the  necessary funds to cover expenses incurred   during fiscal year 2026 attributed to anticipated  retirements. Public hearing scheduled on Tuesday,   May 5th, 2026 at 7:15 p.m. in the east  council chambers. Thank you. Uh 10,   introduction and consideration of amendments.  There are none. 11. Call for final reading of   bills. None. 12. Enrollment of bills. None. 13.  Unfinished business. None. 14. New business. None.   15. Comments and input from attending citizens.  Miss. Dixon. Do we have anyone signed up? We do,   Mr. President. We have five this evening.  Jeff Beck, followed by Matthew Brown. Good evening. Surname and address, please. Good evening. Jeffrey Beck, 102 Chel Road,  Joppatown, Maryland, 21085. Good evening,   council president, council members, attending  citizens, and everyone watching at home. Harvard   County is a great place to live, work, learn, and  raise a family, but that is becoming increasingly   difficult. Recent overdevelopment combined with  minimal maintenance of an aging infrastructure   is already taking its toll. Deteriorating roads,  congestion, limited walkability, and an extreme   extremely strained public transportation service  make the daily life of commuting, shopping, and   socializing far more stressful and time consuming  than it ever was or should be. Not only are our  

residents feeling this strain, but our businesses  as well. A strong economy depends on safe roads,   walkable sidewalks, and reliable public  transportation. Every year the county sends a list   of infrastructure related projects to the state  for consideration of state and or federal funding.   The projects are listed in order of importance to  the overall transportation network in the county.   A handful of years ago, a project was added  to the bottom of the list requesting Federal   Transportation Administration, FTA, grant funding  to acquire land, design, and construct a new   Harford Transit Link Operation Center and  Maintenance Facility to replace the aging,   deteriorating, and insufficiently sized and poorly  located current facility. This project along with   every other project on the list has received broad  support from the administration, from the Harford   delegation to Annapolis, and from this council  until this year. This request for FTA funding will   go a long way to support the services of Harford  Transit Link by providing a building that is   capable of supporting those services. A building  that can adequately store, repair, and maintain   our county buses while providing sufficient and  safe parking for our link employees. A building   in a location that doesn't stop traffic quite  literally anytime a bus needs to come or go.   a building that allows Transit Link to better  serve its clients right here in Harford County,   many of whom are students, seniors, disabled,  or disadvantaged. What it does not do is expand   MTA services from Baltimore City and County into  Harford. Nor does it expand the link services to   out of count destinations. Support for this grant  request is support for transit link, its support   for our infrastructure, and it support for Harford  County residents. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Call your next speaker. Matthew Brown. Good evening, sir. Name and address, please. Uh,  Matthew Brown, 1837, Still Pawn Way. Good evening,   members of the council. I want to speak tonight  about something that should be concerned to   everyone Harford County, regardless of  party. Over the last several months,   we've seen a sustained political pressure  campaign aimed at our schools, our officials,   and our local institutions. A large part of the  campaign has been from the Turnbull Brock Mayor   Law Group. And that makes something very clear.  People have a right to criticize and speak to the   government and raise concerns, part of our great  democracy. When a private law firm located outside   our county begins running what it looks like a  political messaging operation aimed at shaping   public opinion and influencing direction  of our government, it raised some serious   questions because Harford County government should  ultimately answer to the voters who live here,   not the pressure of campaigns that originate  beyond our borders. We often hear a slogan,   keep Baltimore policies and crime out of  Harford County. If we believe that slogan,   then it should also be as important to keep  Baltimore County political pressures outside   of Harford County. Because let me ask this honest  question. I think everyone should be able to think   about this. If the roles were reversed and there  was a liberal law firm from outside the county   posting daily political messages, targeting our  officials, amplifying controversies, and promoting   what would be considered democratic talking points  about our schools and our government, would that   be celebrated? will be raising alarms about  outside influence and manipulation because the   principle should not change depending on who you  agree with politically. Harford County deserves   debate in fair, transparent and grounded in facts.  What should not be accepted is a political climate   that where social media pressures campaigns try  to drive public policy or push institutional  

decisions facts are not yet confirmed. Our  schools, our council, and public office belong   to the people of Harford County. Not the loudest  voices online, not the pressures of campaigns run   from outside the county, and not to any private  organization attempting to shape our political   environment without the ability to be accountable  to the voters who live here. The council has a   responsibility to protect the integrity of the  institution and the trust in its residents. Cuz   where I hear from, common sense leadership is  to not allow someone outside of your borders to   dictate the way you run your county because the  future of Harford County should be decided by the   people of Harford County. Thank you. Thank you,  sir. Dr. Fred Circus, followed by Carol Bruce. Good evening, sir. Name and address, please. Uh  Dr. Fred Circus, 1114 Stromco Drive, Fallston,   Maryland. Good evening, council members. I  would like to address two issues. Uh the first,   currently speakers need to uh state their  name and address uh before we speak. We   um and I don't think uh that this should continue.  I don't think it's safe for women to be um stating   their name and address especially in light of  the trafficking everything we just heard from the   officers. Um I thought and also some I've seen  that or heard that some women have been doxed   after they've provided their uh name and address.  Um, I thought the council voted on this in the   past to to possibly stop that. We Everybody does  give their name and address when they sign the   book. I know the board of ed people just say then  everything's so your addresses are on file. Um,  

so if you could clarify that please. Um the second  issue with all the campaigning going on lately and   all the Facebook posts um even as late as today  um there's been a mention of employees of Harford   County also being members of the county council  and the potential conflict of interest uh that   occurs if they're voting on issues pertaining  to their other places of employment. And is the   county council planning to consider introducing a  bill to clarify the county charter regarding this   issue of dual employment? And thank you very much  for considering these two items. Thank you, sir. Good evening, ma'am. Name and address,  please. Carol Bruce, 525 Oak Street, Aberdeen. Good evening, council members. I'm here to  respectfully request that the council delay the   process for filling the vacancy of the board of  education. The position was last filled during the   budget process and the individual missed at least  six meetings prior to the notification of his   resignation. During this time, the board has also  been involved with a search consultant to fill   the vacancy for the school superintendent. This  involved establishing criteria for recruitment   and selection of candidates. If the vacancy is  filled, can the council if the if you have to   fill the vacancy, can you ask the individual  to rec recuse themselves from the vote on the  

superintendent's position? The board has conducted  a survey of the community, the staff, and students   to obtain feedback on the characteristics  and quality desired in a new superintendent.   637 responses were received from parents and  community members and 573 from students and staff.   the board met today to put together the criteria  using these survey results for posting for for   the application for posting the position and we're  planning for interviews for qualified applicants   to be interviewed from the community and parents.  This is a full-time job and to have someone come   in at this part of the process is going to hinder  us getting a valid selection because of the number   of people on the school board. So, I'm asking you  to consider this in terms of all of the new people   we've had to put on the board. the most recent  young lady did a fantastic job in going through   and reviewing all of these interviews and putting  a together an executive summary for us. So,   I'm just asking for your cooperation in this event  because we have been inundated as board members.   Personally, I feel the whole issue removal  of the superintendent and the work that we've   had to continue to do for the students of Harford  County. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. There are no   more speakers, Mr. President. Thank you, ma'am.  Um, so 16 business from council members. Um,   Miss Saddles, we're going to start with you  this evening. Thank you, Council President.  

Good evening, everyone. It's great to be back. Um,  I wanted to let you know that tomorrow, Wednesday,   is the 15th annual Chamber of Commerce Taste of  Aberdeen. It will be held at 5:30 to 7:30 at the   Aberdeen Activity Center. And that's all I have.  Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bennett. Hello. Um, good   evening. It's good to be with everyone. Uh, first  I wanted to address the person's remarks about   allowing for people to say address on file. That's  something that I personally support in practice,   very much so for what you spoke to. I think it's  for anyone, you know, many people feel safe saying   their address. Um, but there's also members  of our community for a whole lot of different   reasons who might not want to state their address  to the public on something that will be televised.   And I I do think, you know, writing down your  address and having it on file should suffice. Um,   it's something that we've had conversations  about as council members. I just haven't built   the support to introduce that rule change.  Um, but it is something that I support. Um,   now to my remarks. Um, I attended Reverend  Dr. Baron Young's last service at St. James   African Methodist Episcopal Church um before his  retirement. It was really nice to be able to be   there with uh Council President Vincenti to be  able to present a proclamation and celebrate his   years of service to our community. Um I was at the  Abbott Fire Company's Easter breakfast uh which   was also a lot of fun. It was fun for Ada to meet  the Easter Bunny which was very scary. It was also   fun for her to sit on a fire truck which was much  less scary. Um, and it was good to be in community   with the volunteers at Abington Fire Company. Um,  Councilwoman Imhof, Council President, and myself   attended the Aberdeen Fire Department's awards  banquet. Um, which was a really great event,   and it was uh, really nice to be able to  be there to meet with city council members,  

um, to hear just the sure number of hours that  all those volunteers put in each year. Um, and   you know, it was remarked by the police chief of  Aberdeen just how important it is that community   members realize how many hundreds and thousands of  hours these volunteers give each year because even   for him who responds to the calls along with them,  it's hard to wrap your mind around how much hours   they give up, you know, unpaid to the community.  Um, I was able to attend, uh, beyond the border,   uh, which was a special talk at Harford  Community College, uh, looking at, uh,   Harford County's connection with the Underground  Railroad. Miss Bruce was there as well. Um,   and it was really informative. Dr. Iris Barnes was  there. Um and uh there was a special speaker from   Canada who was there who uh was able to share a  lot about the Canada connection to Harford County   um and just what an important role um the  Suscuana River played in guiding people up to   the Pennsylvania line. So that was a really great  event. Um I met with the Box Hill community just   uh last night I believe. Um, and they're  continuing, DPW is continuing to work on   addressing the flooding issues that that  community is experiencing with the extreme   storms we're facing. Um, that's an issue that  we've been working on for three years or so now.   I know we just passed in last year's capital  budget funding to help uh restore the streams   and the culvers in their community to hopefully  address some of the flooding that they experience.   Um, I've been working on legislation to um address  data centers and to put forward a moratorum for   uh 90 days on data centers to give us time to  draft legislation to update our county code. Um,  

because for those of you who don't know, right now  there's really nothing stated in our code to guide   data centers. And so I don't want to be caught up  in a situation like we have been with warehouses   where we were 20 years too late on updating  the county code. E-commerce came and and the   industry just totally sh changed before our eyes.  I think it's good to be ahead of the curve and to   put ourselves in a position where we're able to  say here are the guard rails so everybody can play   fair. Um I've been meeting with fellow council  members. So far, I've met with three other council   members and having conversations around that. Um,  lots of things that we're always up to. It's a   very busy time of year. Um, and the budget will  be coming now, what in two weeks? Two weeks from   today. Two weeks from tomorrow, next one week.  Next week, one week from today. Um, so I'm very   anxious to see that. I encourage people to try and  stay in the loop to listen to our budget hearings,   our four days of budget hearings where we go  through the budget page by page. Um, and also to   come out and share your opinions on the budget.  You know, obviously the big dollar items get   most of the attention, but there's so many other  things that we fund in that budget like, you know,   a few hundred,000 to update coververts in a  community to prevent flooding. You know, that's   the type of thing that we do because of community  feedback and oftentimes it gets missed if we don't   hear from you. So, it's important to speak up and  speak out about how you want our tax dollars to be   spent. But that's all I have this evening. Thank  you, Mr. Bennett, Miss Robert. Thank you. Uh,   good evening everyone, and I hope everyone had an  enjoyable Easter. Um, I've been pretty busy. Um   March 16th to March 20th was actually a literacy  week. So I was able to read um The Dog Who Saved  

Bees um to Old Post Road Elementary and Riverside  Elementary. Uh the children loved it. Uh what's   especially nice about this book, it's a true  story from Harford County and even more special   that the woman it was written about actually is  my legislative aids neighbor. Um, so it even got   closer to um our office. Um, we had attended  the social services advisory board meeting   um the commission on disabilities meeting um on  March 21st. I attended the Black Family Wellness   Expo at Edgewood Middle School. And this will now  become an annual event um now that we have a new   organization um in town called Lynx. And that's  one of their annual events. Um, and then that   evening attended the NAACP uh, Freedom Gala.  Um, I attended the Chosen Women's History and   Recognition Awards. Um, that's always seems to be  a nice event and honoring um, a lot of ages. Um,   I think the youngest was a second grader receiving  an award and the oldest was uh, the legend who was   87 years old um, for giving all their service  uh, in the community and to others. And then   um special uh grand opening for a friend Melissa  Drisco who opened her own hair moss products and   holistic health in our community. So if you're  into holistic health it's a great opportunity.   She's got a lot going on over there. And then um  I too attended the beyond the border. I thought   it was amazing. I thought the conversation and  learning our ties to Canada and how it all went.   Um, I think it was great to hear all the history  uh surrounded and even in just in Harford County.   Um, and then today I had a meeting with um the  Harford microransit stakeholders and um looking  

at the final picture of what that looks like.  Now it's down to looking at money and hopefully   finding a grant to cover this microtransit that  will be dedicated to Edgewood and Aberdeen as the   study pilot. Um so far it looks like it's going to  be very nice and cost effective for those taking   it. It'll be $3 per trip with free transfer. Um  and it looks like they're trying to say it'll be   a 15minute estimated time. Um, so hopefully we can  get this uh going sooner than later. Um, it'll be   disability friendly with wheelchair accessibility.  Um, and they're going to use the current vehicles   that we have, so it's not paying out for any  additional vehicles as well. Um, and then,   uh, up coming up tomorrow night, um, April 8th is  raising healthy kids in a digital age. It's going   to be at Bair High School at 6:30 and it's  going to train parents on understanding what   their children are doing on the internet and  on texting and social media. And then we have   um the Edgewoods Farmers Market finally starting  back up on uh Sunday, April 12th. Um and according   to um 755 it that we have seems like we're going  to have more vendors than we had last year. So,   that'll be a really nice um time and that'll be  at the American Legion in Edgewood. And finally,   I have this nice vase of pinwheels wheels. Um  I started the CASA program in Cecil County and   I am familiar with um child abuse of prevention  month, which is what uh April is. And so I know   that there are some surrounding the courthouse and  the sheriff's office in Cecil. started doing it   that way, but we expanded throughout all the given  towns um and had people take them home. So, um I'm  

distributing them to the community. We had people  take them home uh last night at the CAB meeting.   Um and this is really a visible sign of protecting  children and strengthening families. And this is   the national symbol for child abuse prevention  month. Um, so feel free to take one tonight and   if you want, we have more in my office. Um, and  thank you. Thank you, Miss Robert. Miss Imhof,   good evening. Um, I was since our last legislative  hearing, I was able to attend the Department of   Emergency Services Awards. For those of you who  have never been able to attend, it is a remarkable   reminder of the quick response and the life-saving  measures that so many of our firefighters and our   paramedics do. They actually gave out awards  and told stories about quick responses and   life- saving um measures that they were able to  do for dozens of our community members. And what   was even more remarkable is a lot of the people  that they were able to save were actually able   to be there and present when these um firefighters  and paramedics were receiving their awards. I was   also able to participate in aggra agricultural  literacy event. Um I was able to participate you   benefit elementary school. Um, April is childhood  abuse prevention month. I was honored to support   CASA's annual pinwheel planting ceremony on April  2nd. The blue pinw wheels you'll see throughout   our community, the circuit court, the sheriff's  office, and along Main Street. And I believe that   the Harford County Public Schools also puts them  out recently. I also had the opportunity to attend   the open house and dedication for the Abington  Fire Company's new Bell Camp station on April 4th.   It was very well attended, very ceremonial,  and a great addition to the community. Um,   I have to put in a plug. It's one thing to be  able to build these remarkable fire stations. It's   another thing to be able to staff them. At this  time, our county heavily relies on volunteers. So,  

for anybody who has the time and the bandwidth and  the interest, I please encourage you to um explore   if volunteering at your local firehouse is in the  cards for you. Uh this coming upcoming events,   Friday, April 10th is our annual Harford County  Family and Trauma Conference, formerly known as   Cherish to Child Symposium. Um held at Mountain  Branch. It is a full day conference where we   will have tons of breakout sessions uh for social  workers and and clinicians. You can get continuing   education credits. It is a great day to be around  a whole bunch of other people who are dedicated to   protecting the kids of our community. On April  11th, there are a ton of events including the   opening of our Bel air Farmers Market. Um there's  also an event called Empowered: Planning Your   Journey to Adulthood held at Bel air High School,  which is uh for teens and young adults who have   special education services and are growing into  adulthood. And then there's also on April the 11th   a run to honor 5K run walk. This event honors  uh surviving family members of fallen service   members and begins and ends at the APG Shore Park.  And then that's all I have. Thank you. Thanks,   Miss Imhof. Mr. Janer Lord. So, good after Good  evening, Council President. Um uh my office uh had   proclamations for 194 individuals for University  of Maryland Upper Ches Peak for 25 years. Those   were in the amount of people that have worked  at Upper Ches Peak for 25 years. We had three   individuals that have had 50 years of service.  So, um, everybody was pleasantly surprised and   appreciate, um, all the work they've done over the  years. Uh, so originally it was Fals General, now   Upper Ches Peak. Um, also did Ad Literacy Week,  Red Pump and, uh, Forest Lakes. Um definitely  

learned that all those different products have  something to do with bees and you wouldn't even   think a uh leather soccer ball does but it it  it does. So um Harford County Emergency Service   Awards um did that and then uh congratulations  to Rich Truit did his retirement uh the other   day. So wish him best of luck uh in his new  venture. Dollars Farmers Market starts again and   also the Spring Nationals um which are speedboat  races in Flying Point Park. They're going to be   um May 16th and 17. The boats go about 160 miles  an hour. They're still looking for some sponsors.   They're going to have a Friday night uh party  for all the sponsors and then everything's going   to be free to get in over the weekend for all the  participants. We'll have uh music and everything.   So, if you get a chance, look at that. Um I uh  also uh Jacob uh talked to you too about um I'm   agreeing with you that with everything going on  with people being docked that maybe time now that   uh we don't have people say their addresses when  they come up if they especially if they write them   out down there. And I'm also working on a bill to  strengthen our charter amendment and should have   that at next meetings um next week's meeting. And  I think that's it. Thank you, Council President.   Not next week's meeting. Next week's the 14th.  Um, I'm going to introduce it next week. Okay.   Mr. Riley. Yeah. I'd just like to comment also on  the address. Um, not opposed to it, but I would   like to know what county they're from because  sometimes we get input, especially on television,   from people that are outside our county that  want to influence what goes on inside our county.   talking about influence inside our county. Uh the  general asylum's at it again. I happen to be the   makeover rep and House Bill 1532. Uh hopefully  this uh dies somewhere along the pathway. Again,  

it's poor land use uh priorities down there  in the general assembly. Um they called the   session on energy. That's what they they named  this session down there. I think my wife's going   to have to go through therapy when she gets  back next week. uh at least for the next 90   days to deal with the 90 days that she was down  there. Uh crazy stuff coming out of Annapolis,   but they're doing everything they can to kill  things down there. Um the other thing I'd like   to say is congratulations to Boy Scout Troop 265  in Jerusville. They celebrated 50 anniversaries,   their 50th anniversary. And and I want to  tell you again, I'm I'm a big uh boy Girl   Scout lover. It's a great organization.  and it really does help our kids. And so,   anything that you could do to support when you  see the young ladies out there with the cookies,   they've been out there the last couple weeks. Uh,  I personally would appreciate it. Thank you, Mr.   President. Thank you, Mr. Riley. Um, 17 business  from the president. We'll start with the budget.   The budget uh by charter mandate comes to us uh  on the 15th. Um, we're hoping to see the budget   ordinance on the 14th so that we can introduce  it that night. If not, we have to wait another   week before we can introduce it. Um, we will have  our booklets on the 15th, I'm sure. Uh, our first   work session will start on the 23rd, so it doesn't  give us a whole lot of time to prepare for it. Um,   I had the honor to attend and participate  within the chosen women's history month program.   Uh always a great great program. Attended uh  briefly the Aberdeen Volunteer Fire Company   banquet. Uh the Aberdeen Rotary Bull Roast which  is a huge success with over 500 in attendance and   that money is used to uh give scholarships and  other non promote other nonprofits across the  

county. Uh the Abington Volunteer Fire Company  ribbon cutting. Uh yes, we depend heavily on   our volunteers for sure, but that house um  is the first start of a part-time paid fire   service. We have 30 volunteers that are being paid  part-time to operate out of that house, I think,   with two or three shifts uh throughout the week,  which is much needed because that sends units all   across the county where needed. Um so appreciate  that. Also, opening day for the Miracle League   field is Saturday, April 11th at 9:00 am at Shucks  Road Park. And then I want to express our deepest   condolences to the Campbell family and friends  due to the sudden passing of Mike Campbell. Uh   he's a US Navy veteran uh corman for the Navy.  Uh he is a life member of Sesquana Hose Company,   a life member of Post 47 American Legion Ambulance  Corps. Um he was a paid firefighter for years at   Banebridge Naval Training Center and then also at  Perry Point. Uh he will absolutely be missed by   uh a lot of his family and friends for sure. So  with that, we'll adjourn this meeting. Thank you.