County Council - Regular Meeting

I heard on the radio the other day Google announced they were seeking out 460 acres on the southeast side of Indianapolis. So I'm assuming the Google the assuming now that Shelbyville cuz they were talking about southeast side and they and they specifically said I know. Okay guys, uh we're going to start in one minute. So everybody kind of get to their seats and let's get started so we won't get behind right off the bat and just I know the agenda that we got stuff to do that doesn't have anything to do with the budget. Yeah, we got a public hearing in one minute think about it. Mary's on high stress alert alert. It's an old day. You look like you're on high stress alert. It's your I just I'm want to Let's get her done. Let's get her done. Yeah. Still takes still takes eight six to eight hours. I move cut everybody 10%. Let's go home. I thought about I wonder if we were allowed to wait. Okay, it is 8:00. The budget recording is running and everybody stand for the pledge and we'll get started. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. where she's got Mary. Yeah.

Could I just start off with uh I gave you a copy of the sheet that we've been working with. We're going to do a public hearing first. We've got we've got to do this business first. Okay. And then you you sure can. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, we have an public hearing for additional appropriations and there should be a handout in your packet for that. I don't we can't hear you down here. Sorry. Okay. All right. Um, does anybody have any questions? Uh, we're going to open the public hearing for additional appropriations listed for fund 1176, NVH70,000, fund 1237, opioid restricted appropriated cash 62750371, fund 1238 opioid unrestricted appropriated cash 180,54341 and a nine star trust grant fund one nine excuse me 9110 10 public defender $500. So, do we have any comments from the gallery? None said, is there any questions or comments from the council? Are you just doing the the highway? No, I'm doing them all if I can. Oh, yep. Yeah, I read them all in. So, um, if there's any questions on these four items, council, close the hearing. No, then I'll close the hearing and, um, wait for a motion. I move I move we accept, um, the, uh, additional appropriations for fund 1176, 1 1237, 1 1238, and 910. Second. All in favor? I

I motion carries. Okay, we got that out of the way. That was huge. Now we're ready for the budget. Oh, okay. Well, we can do the action items. Oh, you know, well, you're right. We can do Well, because we can't start the budget till 8:30. Yeah. Well, well, but yeah, we can uh but yeah, we can go ahead and do the action items. So, if we want to go through and do the uh the minutes for the June 11th meeting. Move. Oh, wait. I wasn't here. Yeah. I'll make a motion. Wasn't I was I was at a funeral. I can't move. To approve the minutes for June 11th, 2025. Second. All in favor? I opposed carries. Uh auditor business. I think really the only auditor business that we have is um basically that budget transfer and then we needed to discuss a possible additional appropriation for um senior services. Um that was the 400,000. Um I have here appropriation based on average monthly bill for um that senior services. That's what we're talking about here on the 600,000. Well, that's for Do we need a motion on the senior services for the budget transfer? Yes. I'll move that we do that. So the additional appropriation is from where? Food and beverage. It's a budget transfer, right? Not a No, it's an appropriation. Then we No, no, no, no, no. There's there's two different things. I'm sorry, Mary. The the I need an approval for the budget transfer of $19,000 in food and beverage for senior services. But then we we're going to have a need to finish out the

year. That's two separate things. Sorry. Okay. I I second Jim's motion to move the 19,000 of food and beverage for senior services. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. So then we're you're asking for us to just um an thumbs up for an advertise an additional for an additional and that's in food and beverage in food and beverage. Okay. So a thumbs up for everyone that's everyone okay with that? And Mary, could we just say that we have all uh uh reviewed the u fund balances and that they were all good? Yes. Yes. Okay. If that's the case, put that in the minutes, please. That care of that. That Okay. Is there any other business that needs to be discussed before we start the budget process itself? You want to talk about Jim's sheet or do you want to wait for the budget on that? We can talk about it. Let's talk about Jim's sheet. You want to highlight this hand out you Yeah. Uh just the sheet there just showing what we've been looking at before is the target for reduction today is a million10,76 to meet our goal of um of uh the revenue increase uh versus the uh requests for the 26 budget. So we just during the day if we can reduce that budget request by that much we'll be in balance I think. Do you agree

Robin? I believe so. Okay. Um it's not going to happen. Yes. Here these Whoops. I'm sorry. Hand out some of it. Hand out that direction. Um the auditor's office um put together what I'm handing out a uh bullet point of what the council voted on and approved for raises and uh insurance and and other things within the budget. So I'm just giving this to all of us as a reminder that uh what we had voted on and agreed to was uh department heads of 3% elected officials 1,500 with the and the additional 3% with the exclusion of the council the commissioners in the corner. And so that is what the uh this is exactly what was given to all of the departments to follow. If you worked through your budget, you'll see that some of them don't line up. So, um, just kind of keep this in the back of your head so um, when we get to those, we can remember what our our u recommendations were. I guess we need to wait till 8:30 for the assessor to start. Well, can I ask can I say something? We can do the council stuff. We did the council stuff. No, he means the council budget. He's talking about the budget. Oh, no. Um, a little different for me this time, uh, because I've done this 13 times now. Um, over the course of the last 13 times, a lot of these line items have just gotten bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped, and

we've never really said, "Okay, why are we giving you $8,000 when you used 4,000 last year? Um, and I think on a lot of these, and there's a lot, I mean, every department, we ought to start cutting those back. If they didn't use it, then instead of just leaving that in there because it's a small number, uh, I think we ought to take a couple thousand, a thousand here, a couple thousand there, four or 5,000 there, um, back out of these line items. Uh, even at the end of the day, if it only equals $100,000, I think we ought to kind of reset because I'm looking at people with office supplies, $8,000, and last year they used 4,000. So, in one year they're going to double the amount they used. I don't believe so. Um, so, and I think it in every budget there's some. And Mary gave us a an email with this. Yes. The ones that didn't use any of it. Yeah. And so I I think we just ought to be cut cut them back some and then if there's an issue specific issues come in later on but it's not it's not following true and and also uh the CCD uh fund is way way way over the requests are tre like 5 million versus the amount of money that goes in there each year is about two million. So, I would recommend as we go through each department, we also look at their CCD request. Yeah, I have um Okay. I have the breakdown of all the CCD by offices. Yeah. That we can um review and see exactly what the request was for. Yep.

Keep in mind on those um line items that uh Kent mentioned that when this book was printed at the end of May that that balance that's there is still including what will be needed to go to the end of the year. So so it's just kind of keep that in that we don't wipe it all out that No, no, no, no, no. I was just saying pair them back. I mean, I'm just looking at the very first page and there's a line item for office supplies and it says in last year they used 2024. Yeah. Yeah. They used $4,100 and this year they're asking for $8,000. They've Well, they've asked for 8,000 every year. Yeah. So, why don't we make it 6,000? You know what I mean? Yeah. And get closer to the real number. It's just getting them to uh explain to us what the need is there for or why the need's going to double. Yes. Yeah. In one year when it hasn't for the last 10 years. I agree with you 100% because I've got some people that have just taken 10% off their entire budget because they're really, you know, we're a we're a little bit better off this year than most because our income is going to go up. But the answer is uh that's again that additional credit. Yeah. And on on the good side, just a good sign. I don't know if you looked at actually looked at the fund balances after we got the first hit of property taxes. Our general fund balance is right back up where it started. Depleting. We didn't deplete it in the first six months. That's good. Are these are these clerk additions or what did the clerk do? They screwed up. Those were changes. Corrections. They made mistakes and they added a lot more money. And I talked to her yesterday. She's going to make the change on her salary.

She figured it did it backwards and she's going to Oh, yeah. She asked for too much money, too. Yeah. Like 50 bucks or something. Yeah. Yeah. I got it. She She asked for uh 73,778 when it should be 73,733. Yeah. And a lot of people made that mistake. They couldn't calculate it right. Yeah. What what she did, she just added the 1500 and then the 3% on that and that was backwards. And I think we'll find that there's a handful of people that I noticed that did that and I think that's just a mistake. Did you did not Mary or did Robin did you guys go through and anybody really do the calculations on the on the 3% and on the personnel? Yes. I Okay, good. Cuz I started and got lost on some cuz some of it doesn't make sense to me. Some of them circle it was a question. I know. But it just it triples the amount of time I had to spend running. Some people get paid from two different funds and they didn't uh in some cases they didn't give the raise on one fund. So it means the fund get the raise goes over 3%. So that it just doesn't mean that they were wrong. But you cannot the logic behind that doesn't add up though because you can't can't take that person and include the 3% in one place and not the other and then pay them out of the other because you can't mix funds. If if they're submitting if they're paid out of three funds then they're those three individual amounts should have been calculated within that fund that 3%. Well, and if they would all do the summary, most did, but not everybody did. The summary is very helpful because it's got every one that they're paid out of and the total, right? So, we don't have to go through and add it all up. That's a lot with all we have. So, anybody that didn't do the summary

today next time, please do that. And if we're waiting, um the uh senior services is not in here. As well as the uh fund that we funded, we are funding this year the uh uh probation office. Um we're doing that from food and beverage. And those two we had hoped would get folded into the general fund, but it really can't. So the proposal is on the senior services that we set up a separate fund for senior services. The auditor said it's already set up and we would just need to put money in it. Then the senior services would be paid out of that fund. It wouldn't be general fund and the money coming back in will go to that fund and we'll be able to see right for tracking purposes. It's a great idea. I think some are recommending that that we do that and probation. Uh Rob and I met with Josh and he's saying that the money needed again in 26 will be at least as much as 25 which is 150 to 200,000 to supplement his funds. So we'll need to set that up in the food and beverage that down here. What was that about food and beverage? Um, setting up the funds. Probation. Didn't we set that up in food and beverage for this year? 25. No, not this year, but we had that this

and senior services. Didn't we set up a fund for senior services in in food and beverage? You mean a line? Yes. And and Mary, you and I talked about the senior services. I believe rather than having it in food and beverage, we would set up a separate fund. Yes, we will have to put cash in it since the senior service reimbursement is not 100% anymore. Well, we can just move it from food beverage to that fund. So, we may want to put 300,000 maybe for um 26. Okay. For senior services. Okay. Um at least that might get us through a third or half of the year maybe. Was he how much did he say? Well, hopefully maybe like 450. I think our four based on the monthly bills that we get, right? 400,000 is what? That's the addition. That's the addition that we need. Or Robin, you're thinking we put the total 600 in. And yes, we could. And if we see we don't need it, we can put it back into food. I guess it would it would stay in the fund. Yeah. Because you never know when the reimbursements are going to come. Yeah. And Greenfield is supposed to pay 150 of it, but they haven't yet. What number did we commit to? We commit to a a solid number or is it building comes in and fluctuates? Uh, we're just talking thinking maybe we just put 600,000 in that fund to start with and then um we'll work with that's that's the absolute maximum. The way the way I understand it now, Gary P is the one that has been working with senior

services. The 600,000 total was what he said we needed for 25. I've heard nothing from him about 26, but I'm assuming it's the same. That's where the numbers are coming from. Yeah. I didn't know if it was something that we never could predict, but you're saying 600,000 should be about the max. You don't want to do what we hopefully that um if Greenfield gives their part and we get our reimbursements at the end, it should hopefully only cost us around 150,000 or so. But in the meantime, we have to pay it. Yeah. And then the reimbursement money will go back into that fund beverage. No, no, it would go back into that fund. It would be a self per line item though within that's what you talked about has nothing to do with food and beverage. It'll be its own fund. We can track it. Yep. Can a lot easier for her to track a little bit. But yeah, we had that fund established then we moved. It'd be nice to move it back and and make sure it's funded so we're not negative all the time. unfunded. So FSG is recommending that we do it this way too if the stuff. So we could vote on that if you want to if is that accurate that the at the end of the day it should only cost the county approximately. It's it's a reimburseable fund. We're not there yet. We don't know. So we don't know. We're gonna get back at the end of the day. What is the county supposed to be out of pocket on senior services after reimbursement% that's where they're at on the reimbursement now is 50%. So 50% of whatever the bill is and we don't know what those bills are. They're averaging about 50,000 a month. So that's so 300,000 and then Greenfield gives us 150.

They haven't but somebody said they would. Right. So, yeah, that's where we get to the 150. Okay. Yeah, it's it's an unfunded like me and Kentler are saying, it's an unfunded um liability. And so, there's nothing we can do about it. We got to we got to fund it somehow. Yeah. In the future, it could be tough with budget, you know, with SB1 and everything that we may have to I don't want to see us cut it from 600 to zero. I want to see us if we have to start kind of slowly and and this would put it in its own fund so we can watch it. Okay. Every month when we go through the fund balances, we'll see more transparent so we can tell what's going on and we can see the reimbursement. If we would somehow get by with only $150,000, we ought to jump up and down and have a celebration. Yeah. Well, we'll do that at your uh uh uh trash office. Trash office. We'll have a senior service party cuz I I He's a sanitation engineer. He's got a nice office. I've been in there. He's the CEO sanitation engineer. Yes. Treat him with respect. I thought what do we need a motion? Are you want a motion today? Is that what you're saying? So So what we're our ask for today for 2025 is an a thumbs up. They did. Oh, did we? Okay. So right now we're we're talking about 26. Oh, I didn't know we were on 2026 yet. Yeah, we're not 26. We're supposed to be just talking. We're just talking. We're entertaining the YouTube audience. Where's it at? Um, if this conversation is finished, I' I'd like to make a motion that we set up a separate fund for um um senior services and fund it was $600,000 for 2026. And fund that from where? General fund. General fund money balance. Okay, we have a motion. Did you guys catch it? I didn't get the whole motion. Um to set

up a separate fund. But we already did you mention a dollar amount? 600,000. Okay. From general from the general fund 2026 for 2026. Mhm. Yes. And second. We have a second. Uh all in favor I opposed. Assessor's here. The assessor's here. So we'll go ahead and get started if unless somebody has something else they want to talk about for eight minutes. Move we adjourn. What's wrong? I'm not seconding it. I'm not. Then I want you just to go. No, he's fine. He's doing all right. That was That was good. Where's Mike? That was a good one, man. I'm going to scoot this down here. First, the problem is be a juror that you you're accepting everything. So, I'm not All right, Cindy, you want You're right. I'll repeat my Can we start this yet? Are you saying that we should not Is this a hearing? It's not a hearing, is it? Is it a public hearing? No, it's not. Okay, we're good to go. It's not a hearing. Sorry. Yeah, we just had a We're just or ahead of schedule and let's keep it that way, maybe. And then All right. It won't last. No, it never does. It doesn't. I had questions right off the bat. Okay. trying to the um the deputy line item uh is well above the 3% that we had put out there for all the offices. I calculated uh at 191,676 and you have it at 197210. Double check my math. Yes. 191676 is what I came up with instead of 197210. You have a explanation as to why your

number is what it is? Um, no. Cuz I thought I've stayed within the 3% total. Well, I think some of the difference was on um reassessment. Um, you have a real estate assistant in there and they only received a 17%. Yeah, we're talking about just the general fund right now and uh like like what Robin said is it's overvalued uh for the uh deputies, but if you go to your reassessment line uh you only increased and it's about the same amount of money, $196,000, but you only increased it by $325. If I can interject, what I I what I figured was that she was including the deputy line. I I might be wrong, was that she was including the stipens and that's how she got to that number. You're talking about the um level certifications. The certification levels. Yeah. You can't calculate the 3% on the level certifications. Those are set by statute. They're not in general fund either. Oh, they're not in the general fund. Okay. Yeah, they're set by statute. Okay. I didn't see uh if you look at your Oh, there reassessment total like Robin said, uh it only increased by $325, but but I think her her totals for people was less than 3%. Yeah, it was 2.44 altogether with all of because that's what we look at the salaries for the employees. But you can't fund. She can't put the raise in the general fund and be paid out of the reassessment fund. Is that correct? No. No. Gosh, tons of offices do that. I'm asking Mary and is it okay that she put the raise in the general fund for these employees in the reassessment fund

or should she have calculated the 3% in the reassessment fund? I mean, I have employees paid out of my transfer fee fund and out of the general fund. So, um I don't I'm not quite sure what you're asking. It's allowable. Is it what you want for the raises? I don't know. That's There won't be any money moving around. I mean, those other funds have to be able to sustain whatever increase is applied to them on their own, but 3% have to have your payroll program match it. Yeah, it does. Yeah. I mean, we don't just arbitrarily pay it. I'm just saying, yeah, we have an employee that's paid out of two different funds. I'm arguing that point that they're paid out two funds. What she's talking about, I believe, is the total raises in the general fund, not in the reassessment fund. So, that would not be 5050. If you calculate it the according to the appropriation, it might end up to be 56 44. So you would have to adjust that in your payroll program. Otherwise, you take the increase, split it between, keep 50/50. So I totally get that. Okay. I just I mean I don't I I don't I'm not sure how I calculated mine. I think I took my overall um from my um sal the salary ordinance. I took that total minus my stipens and then I did 3% on all my employees overall total and then I split it out that way. That's how I did it. So I don't know. Yeah. I did not give everybody the same amount of raise. There were some that really stepped up to the job and took on more responsibility and they probably fell in that reassessment fund. Um Well, my main concern is that the overall raise equates to 3%. And it's higher than that in the general

fund and it's lower than that in the reassessment fund. But if you combine the two% and calculate 3% actually I was wondering if you added did you add your level certification and your total salary instead 3%. It wasn't okay. It wasn't cuz I couldn't figure out. Yeah. So you didn't use the entire 3%. Didn't want to come. Shouldn't Shouldn't the funds You did not use the total 3% that you could have went up to. It was close. As long as it's 3% at the end, it's fine. Your summary says 2.4 and has all the employees on it, which those summaries are very helpful. Okay. and have a thousand. Just like I said earlier, let's run through this real quick here with office supplies, you know, 8,000 and it says in 24 use 4,000. Fuel was 2,000, says in 24 they used last year 613. Uh operating supplies was 2,000. It doesn't even have a figure. I'm assuming they didn't use anything out of the line item. uh service agreements uh was 10,000 and they used 4600. um vehicle expense was 2,000, they used 900 on the training they got 15,000 and 24 they used 5,000 and um it's it's my opinion we ought to pair these overages back uh some I mean if if they used 5,000 last year and they want 15,000 this year I don't um which line was that on You're talking about the sales disclosure and those that's a fee structured fund. So So that's not general fund. No, that's not general. Okay. You guys will have to keep me in track on on Well, that's the next page, but the first page is general, correct?

The first Okay. So like office supplies, it says you use $4,000 last year, 4156, and you want 8,000. And I know that's what we put in the budget last year, but what I'm suggesting is all these ones that are over that's 100% increase. Why don't we we pair those back some like make it 6,000 instead of 8,000 and uh start pairing pairing these back and then we'll find out as the year goes on and next year what how close we can get to actuality rather than just overshooting them. I think that's fine. Some of these funds we never touch, right? and just been historically. I don't want to delete the fund, but I think we ought to be reasonable in what's there and then if if you do come into an issue, you can come back to us and say, "Hey, cuz over the time I've been here, we have just put round numbers just to get it gone." And um we need to get closer to real I I added up if we reduced office supplies by 3500, fuel by a,000, operating supplies by a,000, postage by 500, service agreements by 5,000, dues and subscriptions by a,000, meetings, travel and lodging by 500, and vehicle spins by a,000. That's $13,500. You have service, and that's still more than the 2024 spend. That's still leaving them with more than last year. So, do you have service agreements that plugged into that $10,000 or was that just a ballpark that you estimated? That's probably uh we we're responsible for some of the stuff from uh Exoft. So, that could be part of I would say that was probably the service agreements one may have been you said 5,000. That may have been too much of a cut. Um I I think it is because we spent 466 in the 24 Right. So, what if we took two or 3,000

out of that instead of $5,000? I don't I don't want to start out short right off the bat. Right. So, let's let's give her the three or let's let's take 2,000. That makes your cut $10,000. Right. If if we take that 2,000 off, you're at 115. And I probably wouldn't cut the postage at all because our postage last year was horrible. the more uh people that move into the community receives these form 11 notifications which is is additional postage. So postage is going to continue to go up as long as our county grows. Right. Key what was your postage thing? I believe I said take off 500 but we could just scratch that. Okay. So now we're at 11,000 because and I think we took money out of part-time and put it over in our postage. Okay. So, let's because we cut our part-time money because we don't ever hire anybody part-time. And if you still wanted to do eight out of 10 on service agreements, um then that's 2,000. So, now I think you're at 10,000. I I that's I think that's reasonable. Um for me, that's 10 10 grand. So, if you guys want if you want to make a motion can Yeah. Can you go back over those numbers so we make sure we have them? Key's Key can make the motion. Okay. I'll make a motion to reduce the following line items. Reduce office supplies by $3,500. Reduce fuel by a,000. Reduce operating supplies by 1,000. You're reducing it that amount or you're reducing it to that amount. No, reducing by that reducing the request by that amount. Reducing service agreements by 2,000. Reducing dues and subscriptions by a,000. reducing meeting travel and lodging by 500 and reducing vehicle expense by 1,000. I'll second it. All in favor? I oppose. Cindy, did you get Okay. And was that out of the uh county general?

Yeah, it's just county. And just so you know, Cindy, we're trying to find these small you got the whole day long. Yeah. Guess what? We're going to be doing this about your department. All right. Well, I hope you guys have a good day. Or or do you have any assessment? So, so do we need to now approve County General Z1? Okay. Motion to approve uh Assessor's County General 10001 with the changes as previously motioned on. Second. All in favor? I I motion carries. Was Jim the second on that? Kent. Kent. Then now is 11:30. 11:31. I move we approve it as written. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. There anything at 1224 Kent? Well, the the same scenario exists with the office supplies operating supplies because it's not showing any anything she used in um uh 2024 out of the fund. And then um I did a the the postage is what really escalated, but yeah, I I kind of understand what's happening with the postage. Um, overall, she's reduced the budget in this fund, and we can't put this on our list of cuts to county general, even if we were to reduce it. So, that's just a thought there. So, it it that's fine. I mean, I I I'm just ask about the attorney. Was that a one time? Was that a one time? I'm deaf. The attorney, the attorney and legal services. Was that just a one-time deal or is that a since since I've been in the office? We have not used outside counsel.

Okay. Part of our contract with Nexus is we have an attorney that's available for us. Um Okay. When my predecessor was in office, she contracted with some outside counsel. Okay. So, that may be something that could go away. Maybe we could reduce it down to a thousand. Just I don't know if Mary ever the only time that we I I can't remember any time that we did not go forward on an appeal with any attorney other than Maryland men, which is Nexus Group. Um, but it is there. Um, you said legal services, too. And there's been times where we've had to pay for an outside appraisal on a property on these commercial properties is what drives that bus. So, if you think that you may need to get any appraisals done because probably I'll leave some there. Well, that's up to you. But, um, I that's what I used legal services for is if I had to pay for an outside appraisal. She she's already cut 3,000 there. Yeah, she cut another three. Yeah. So, let's just take it. Well, they'll pro, you know, they'll go to court for us, but they will not provide the appraisal. Right. Right. If we cut it to 5,000, if we remove 10, would that give you a cushion there to is that that 10 or make it $5,000? Make it 10, you think? No, make it five. Make it five. Remove 10. Okay. So she and just to make sure everybody understands this is the reassessment but it does take property tax dollars from the maximum levy or from the general fund. Right. Uh yeah reassessment has its own tax rate. Has its own tax rate. Yes. So that got its own tax rate but the allocation of the levy falls under your max levy. Okay. So all you're doing is putting a

it's got a separate tax rate, but you're just taking a penny and putting it over here every time that budget goes up. Okay. All right. So your total max le you know what I mean? Yeah. But if we reduce this, if we reduce that then the next year that her that levy goes down, right? No. Okay. So what I'm saying what I'm saying is if you re increase this budget $100,000 it would take $100,000 more from the general fund general fund. Okay taxes. So right now So right now it's it's dropping the 3,000. She has a negative 3,000. Yeah. But if we drop that another 10 then it's 13,000. Yeah. Which would which would help which would help the general fund utilize that fund. Okay. All right. The only other things in that fund where there's not really 20 24 spend, the mileage, the dues and subscriptions, um, and again the supplies um, did you use there were no subscription? Yeah. Do you have dues and subscriptions? She used it from the other fund. Dues and subscriptions. Dues and subscriptions. Uh yes, we have to we pay dues to uh the associ assessors association and then we have to pay to the international association. Can you not take those dues out of training? Uh I know that the training fund has a list of what is expect acceptable good dues and subscriptions come out 1217 the the one that we all share that the Marsha oversees there's certain things that you can only use for that and usually it's your office holder and your first deputy to go to places but not actually pay for things. So, but so

if you you can use that for some training, but I don't think she can use it for all of her deputies. And they're all they all they're talking about the sales thing that she has labeled as as Oh, I think you're talking about the 127 fund. The training fund. No, I Well, it's called the training fund, but um really what it is is the assessor's office gets $5 for every sales disclosure report. Sorry, I thought you were talking about that other training fund that we can all use. No, the assessor gets $5 and the auditor retains $5. So that training fund just grows and grows and grows. It really probably ought to have a better name that describes what it is because it's uh I when I was in there, I bought a car. I bought a new vehicle for the for the assessor's office to drive out in the field. So, it has abilities to absorb and it's a fund that's just going to keep growing unless you specialize it. Diana went hard. So, we put the D. Well, with that in mind, like on her mileage, she's got $5,000. Actually, use 400. I mean, so why don't we cut a cut a two or three,000 out of mileage? Cut it down to a,000 to subscriptions. Even a couple thousand. I think it was we were she in 2024. It looks like the budget was granted 2,000. I don't know why it went from 2024 to 2025. It went up $3,000. Um but and it looks like you're not using it much. So why don't we cut 3,000 out of that? Give her a couple thousand still. This most of our conferences now are either in uh they're in Indiana. Oh, okay. I'll make a motion on few years ago. They went to Chicago and some of them went to Boston, but we don't leave the state. So, what are you proposing for uh those new numbers to be?

1224 uh uh pass as written with the exception of line item attorney legal services which would go to 5,000 mileage to a th00and dues and subscriptions to a th00and second all in favor I post motion carries I think that is it for you thank you dear Get that one out. Okay. Thank you. All right. Here. I'll add that. So, are you going to reassessment fund deductions when we talked about reducing the budget by a million? Whatever. That include it. I no wouldn't it would not I would not include it would not because it's not Yeah. It's just sustaining that helping sustain that fund. Right. So we saved about three four 10,000 in general. 6,500. No, was it 18? Well, we like like Keely pointed out the reassessment fund is not a cut to general fund. So should be 10,000 in general. Yeah. Then I missed something already. I had 35 1,000 and 2,000. 35 1,000 1,000 2,000,000 Wow. Yeah, we've got it. 500 and 1,000. We're done, aren't we? 10 grand building. We're already three minutes late for building. Are we all done? Thank you. You see, we're already nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm probably That's 10,000. You're right. Go before you lose any more money. Day and I Thank you.

Hey, it's tedious, but I think we better do. Yeah, we're going to be in the weeds. We just got to be in the weeds quickly. Yeah. Yeah, that kind of was our warm up. Yeah. I'm going to let you guys have all your conversation, but when you make a motion, if you could just re summarize the changes that you made so we make sure we have I do know. All right. We know picking at you a little bit. your your fuel line. Uh you didn't use any brand new line. Yeah, that's a brand new line. Oh. Um that's because you've got a vehicle. Yeah, we got a vehicle building department got a vehicle this year. Okay. Oh, you were using mileage before. Yeah, before was mileage. So, if you look at whatever budget for mileage was 12,000, guys, while he's talking, let's try not to talk. All right. The mileage budget for 25 was uh 12,538. Mhm. And then but now I have a CCD fund to pay for the vehicle. So um I did reduce the mileage for 26 down to 2500 cuz Okay. part-time inspector and then myself still, you know, use mileage. Use mileage. Okay. And the company vehicles. Okay. Yeah. So, the 11,500 that's listed on the um CCD budget request says motor vehicles. Is that to lease a vehicle or that's a lease? Yes. is vehicle expense is what? Well, that one I'm honestly not sure since this is my first go around having a vehicle for my department, right? Uh general maintenance, you know, like

currently I need tires for that vehicle. Um it was given to me by another department. So now I got to buy tires. You know, I'm not sure where to even get that from. So, I'm just looking in the future for other vehicle maintenance. So, I thought I better have a some kind of line. I had been there. You still reduced everything, but of course the 3% reduced everything what $10,000 or $8,000 almost. So, right. I mean, I'll he went up to and the and the CCD he had added new CCD item of 11,500. Yeah, that was the I know we want to do CCD on each person. So, I mean, I don't know. I I I'm satisfied with with the thing. So, I would make a motion we accept the building department. I second it. All in favor? I opposed. Budget passes. Thanks. Made up some time for you to Yeah, that we made up what we lost. I couldn't get anything. We already took some out. Okay. Who's next? The clerk, Lisa. clerk. Oh, it just fell behind and oh, there she is. They didn't cut anything. We were all somewhat confused. So, you may want to walk us through the change and the representation of the change. Okay, I apologize for finding that so late. Um, so the first change is that I miscalculated the clerk's salary. So it should reduce from 73778 to 73733 to be in line with what council suggested for elected officials. Now what happened on the other is I was looking at my 144 for general

and noticed that while on the 2026 salary column those were the correct numbers. It didn't pull over seven different salaries in the total amount column. it the total amount column for those seven salaries was the same as the 2025. So that was the reason that it increased quite a bit because when those numbers pulled over into the total column, it took the 397475 out of the deputy line to 484750. Questions? Did the Did the total add up to 3%? Did anybody No. No. I got 26.8. Oh, I don't think I But but that's you have Yeah, it is. Your increase from last year to this year is going up. Well, we added that position that she shared with the judges to her department. So, that's why did that go into judg's budget? It actually didn't go into judge's budget. when you approved that um magistrate admin position last year, you paid it out of food and beverage for the rest of 25. So, it's now coming over into my budget for 2026. So, the 47 to $50,000 increase to my deputy line is partially because of that new position that was created last year or this year. Uh but if we subtract out for that person then my increase before the percentage increase I believe is 37 overall over 12 employees.

And there was a proposal a pre-proposal before the 3% was approved by council too. And so that was a little higher on the proposal than it would have been at the 3%. What is that? What is that? They've got So if you take that person out, I got 13.4% increase. What what is the total percentage of the raise that you gave? That's all you So I brought up the I brought them up for their current salary to what they really should be at right now according to a comparison of all of the other county offices. And then I added the percentage on top of that. But at that point it was a 5% increase. And so I've recalculated at the 3% increase if you don't approve my original numbers. So So you're saying you should be an exception to the 3% rule that we set forth because your employees are paid dramatically less than this auditor, the recorder, the assessor. Like if we went and looked at each one line by line, you would be we'd be like, "Oh, wow." Yes. Yes. I have two deputies that are at 39. Um, and there's nobody less than 40 anywhere else? I don't believe so. [Laughter] Yeah, she brought two of her employees up from 39 to That's the question to 48 26 I think. But um they those are two

employees that make 39,000 which is I don't think up to what most people doing their type of job in other offices is. Correct. And I've had over the past year I've had three employees who were longerterm employees go to either courts or probation. And so we've really been training very hard over the last year to two years to get these new deputies up to standard and they're doing very well and I believe that they should be rewarded for their hard work as the rest of my office for getting them sufficiently trained. Um we we process of course you know all all of the court um filings as they come in and I've got five ladies that do the court side work um split between all three courts and then plus the magistrate admin which has made a tremendous difference for the courts work um has added quite a bit coming out of my office. Okay. Okay. So, if I subtract out the clerk and subtract out the new position and just look at the increase and everyone in between on this revised 144, it's 13.44%. That's why I said you're right. So, is there a different process than this? I mean, if you have employees that are supposedly dramatically underpaid, I feel like that should have like I don't know, gone through the commissioners, had an HR review, something before we're here doing this all Well, it's because each year I've I've abided by what the requested increase has been and stuck to whatever council suggested and I haven't ever come and asked for an additional

increase for employees. And I also a few years ago um omitted a position. We had three ladies in public access and one left and I didn't refill that position. And so, you know, that took quite a bit of money away from our budget as well. Well, okay. Two two points of order. Not order, but facts. So, the numbers are baked into this right now. Um, I don't know if we want to bite all that off in one year. Um if that's something if you if you want to um bump the things some and then and and go at it like that. Uh 3 to 13 is a large expense or a large jump. Um I don't know if you want to meet it halfway and then try to get the other half the next year. Well, maybe and give them time to review if if between now and and the 27 budget if because taking someone from 39 to 48 is a pretty big jump. Um so I don't know if you want to take them halfway now and then cuz if if they're if there's a feeling that they're under now so it wouldn't be that they would be overpaid if you took them halfway there. You know what I mean? Well, many months ago now, you know, we had monthto monthth a revolving door of people showing up saying, "I need more, you know, I need more pay. I need more pay for this person, for that person." And I brought up then that just coming in and us making these decisions went off willy-nilly every single month. You know, person by person doesn't make a lot of sense to me in terms of approach. And we kind of threw around

hypothetically, do you go to the commissioners first? Do we have HR provide some data? You know, department heads often bring their own data with other counties, but then that's cherrypicked and we don't have time to even validate that the data that should be there is. So, I'm just in general not a fan of making one-off decisions without having an internal process by which requests are vetted. Where I'm at now, I don't care what we do today on this. I'm not saying that. But I was just trying to find some type of compromise. Yeah, rather than just say, "Nope, we're going to just stick to the 3% only." Because I kind of hear what the commissioner was saying. But we do have to remember usually if they come to us during the year, we say no because we don't do race because we can't come back later. And we say yes way more often than we say. And we don't have an unbiased process for vetting them. And that's what I don't like. I want everyone to be paid fairly. And I feel like that won't happen as long as we're making decisions on the spot randomly all the time. Yeah. And I I think everybody should be paid fairly. That's why I think the three stick to the 3% is so important unless you have a special exception. I do have a question. Why is the public access side so much less than the court side? It still is after your new calculations. Yes, it still is because the public access side is fulfilling the public access requests. They're not working in Odyssey. They're not accepting eiling. They're not doing any court side work. It's um fulfilling requests, issuing marriage licenses, and managing the the tax warrant side. So, they don't do any court work at all. Okay. But as you heard from Commissioner Spalding, he's concerned that people can't live off 39,000 a year. And yet, those people are that's all the raises going to. Well, don't don't forget there there's a note um you see the note split two funds. So they have they're also paid7,000 each out of perpetuation. So

7,000 adds to the general. So then they are equal. They're they're a little they're a little more equal. They're still less than but they're a little more equal. Yeah. They're they're paid7,000 each out of perpetuation. So that adds to the general fund budget,000. Correct. Their salary. There you go. I'm sorry. I didn't hear your comment. Their name is on a second. You can do a summary so we know what their total is with all the funds. That'd be great. Okay. So, you want me to put that on the because it does say split two funds with 1119, but it doesn't give any exact number. So, you'd like to see that? I did. Talking about compromise, I went ahead and prepared a new 144 with the increase to get them to where I believe they should be and a 3%. So, would you like to see that reduction? It's hard to track that stuff. That's why we ask him to fly some or today. Some of us did, some of us didn't. I'd like to hear what Jim maybe thinks too cuz you get Jim's down there. Either he can't hear us or he's quiet and not say anything. Well, we have to remember too when you're working with percentages, it's going to be different, right? I I understand. So, do you want to like I have a couple more to six or eight%. I have a couple more questions. So, these four deputies that were all trying to get to the same pay here, have they all worked here the same amount of time? Yes, those are my new deputies that came in. They've been here less than two years. All four have been here less than two years. Correct. Because there was one position that hadn't been filled. So, the three were the two ladies that went up to superior court one and the one lady that went down to probation. And then there was another open spot that with having so many new employees I needed to fill. So there were four four new ones.

And then those four people don't get paid out of anywhere except other than general. Correct. I guess I'd like to see the total pay of like you were saying Robin are helpful before I would decide. So I' I'd like to see this table. I mean we just got this this morning. uh the change. I'd like to see us table it and have a look at the total pay of of everyone. The total pay is right here, isn't it? The Yeah, the uh form 144 with the exception of the two public access side positions which has you have another seven grand to Yeah, cuz they're paid out of Is there anything on the other? Yeah, they're paid out of a a second fund as well. There's an additional amount of money just those two public access positions are paid out of perpetuation to both of those because of the other fund and she said that she had a new 144 which would be important. Yes, I went ahead and put together a new 144 with just the 3% rather than the original proposed salaries that I think a few of you talked to me about. Um so that decreases it. So so we have two options. We can we can come up with something. I I me personally the 13 is too high. Okay. And do it now or we can pass the 3% and then modify it between now and the dead dead date of the budget time cuz we're in July. I think this we still have a month or two for this to be finalized. um about a month and um and do it that way and then maybe come up with some more justifications on why it should go up from 3 to 8 or something like that. Um so what whatever the for the salary part then we got to get

on to the the non salary part of her budget clarification. Do you mean the 3% on top of of what the increase was to get them where they need to be and then 3% on top of that? I was talking about the the 3% like every department is getting and then revisit it before we have to turn this in. um like doing it next month and doing it next month and giving us time to uh adjust what we think. So maybe we can look at the people individually, you know what I mean? Uh a little bit. But I'm I'm I'm okay with either myself, but uh because I know it's probably going to have to come up some at some point. I know people are very upset about their property taxes and to just like do a 30% raise for a few, you know, few people today and then by the end of, you know, people start hearing about that and they go, "Actually, my girl does more than those girls do." That's what always happens. And but that's why we get paid the big bucks. That is or that's why we didn't give ourselves the 3%. I I like the idea of going ahead and approving the 3% with a caveat of knowing that we are going to come back next month. It will be on the agenda. We've taken all these numbers and spent some time with them and try to I agree with the comment Bill made that $39,000 for a full-time trained position is low. I agree. I'm not saying I don't agree. I When you realize there's the $7,000 I didn't realize there was a $7,000. Yes. Added to it. Yes. for those. So I that that's my opinion is to just approve the three and revisit it next month when we can really delve into it a little deeper and try to come up with a good number. It might be helpful if Debbie and Mary give us the date of when we could no

longer change anything. What's our date? October September is public hearing. So we're looking at um and I have to advertise it 10 days before. So September 1st is our drop dead date. So we'll have to do it next August. Yeah, we'll put it in August. Can it be in the agenda in August? Yeah. On the agenda in August, correct? In September one, right down possibly. Can't go up after September. No, right. I would I don't want to drag it out though. I don't see any reason why we can't visit it in August and be have a answer. two meetings in August. Please keep in mind that extra position that's gone in. So when you're calculating an overall percentage, it's only 13. That that's that's pushing it pushing it up quite a bit. Do you mind since I've already prepared these at a at a lesser rate? Do you mind if I go ahead and provide these to you so that you have them while you're reviewing it? Sure. The the new 144. Yes. Yeah. The um No, that's fine. Oh, yes. All right. So, in 10001, what else do you think needs cut? Uh, K. Well, I'm I've got a question. Um, I started thinking, well, maybe it's election year and office supplies are different, but it was 2024 was an election year. Um, but the the office supply spend was $7,100 and now you want $22,000. I'm still confused. So, I just have a question on um why did it go up 300%. So, what do you want to do? Just delay the whole thing or pass it with something? I you should table it. I think just table the whole thing. I'm going to table the whole thing. So, can you can you work on that too for us? I'm sorry. On the supplies budget out of general because 2024 is an election year also. I

was thinking, well, 2026 is going to be an election year, but you went from 7,000 expend in 2024, unless that number is not accurate to wanting 22,000. General. So you're looking at general location one or are you looking you're talking? Okay. Because location one is just clerk. That doesn't take into consideration. So we're looking to cut each Kent wants us to look at every item and say, "Hey, what'd you spend 2024? Okay, you spent seven grand. You're budgeting 22,000. Is there a way to bring it closer to seven grand?" That that's one that that I just pulled over because it's been the same year after year after year. So, is there a way to cut it like cut that in half if you'd like? I'm I'm fine with that. That's what we want to do. Just things like that. All right. All the way through the budget. We need to find little like little We're just talking about thousand dollars at each item. Just look for little things that cut is what Kent would like to see this year. So, that was off 11. The first It's the very first one. Office supplies. Office supplies 22 to 11 to 11. So, I I'll do we have to have an emotion to table this? Clerk, I'll make a motion that we table the clerk's budget and revisit it at the next council meeting. Second. All in favor? I oppose. Thank you, Liz. We'll see you next month. Can we go ahead with and pass her like the perpetuation fund for other funds? Yeah, that was the general. I would move we we uh pass uh as written 1119 clerk's perpetuation fund. Hold on. waiting for one thing for the clerk. She in 20125 we created the offsite micro filter. We haven't had it before. We kept it at 8,000 again in 2026. And what I'm used to is so much

microfilming being in the perpetuation fund, not the general fund. So what why are we using the offsite microfilming at all in the general fund this year because it was brand new for 25 and should we not move that to I mean it seems like perpetuation fund is just you I mean that's really what it's for I I don't believe that that was a new line though I think that off-site microfilming has been there since I've been here every year the off-site microfilming has been there and That was because we used to send things over to the state archives and they don't anymore. So I'm I'm okay. I just again I just pulled that over from previous budgets. So we can we can get we can get rid of that perpetuation. Yes. Fishing no matter where I think can be paid. Okay. So where is that? I'll make a motion that um we move the um 10001 or in the general fund line item 31411 the offsite man microfilming to the the perpetuation fund um which is what 1119 1119. Yeah1 we move it from there to there. So we take it out of here. That's why you interrupted. Oh, okay. And then approve the rest of 1119. And then approve the rest of 1119. Second. Salaries in there. Okay. All in favor? I post. So that those two things coming out of that fund right there is 19,000

for us to capitulate for the next meeting. Gotcha. It is fund 8895. Doesn't look like any of the money was used in 2024. That's incentive money and there there are only certain things that can be utilized out of that fund based on the 4D rules. So we go ahead and um appropriate that money there in the event that we find something that we can utilize it for. There just hasn't been much child support need for child support increase. I move we approve 88.95. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passes. Not using the an 88.99. Are you not using the part-time money? Not at this time because again, it's 4D. And so in order to use that part-time right now, you have to have a deputy who is solely child support. And there's too much other work to have that deputy right now. Okay. So, we're going to remove the part-time help or just cut it down really low for that you may not know about. You can you can cut it in half and in case a project comes up through 4D that we have to have someone come in and and want to cut it. So, reduce that to five. And what's equipment storage system at the very bottom? That has been there. I am looking at um Oh, equipment storage system for 8899. That's a capital one. That's a 4,000 series. Excuse me. That's one that's been brought that's been brought over. I I maybe that was

back when they were talking about the um transition from ISETS to invest and that there may have been some requirements to help with the transition. Can we just get rid of it? Yes. Okay. So, we can get rid of that. I mean, this whole budget spent 9,000 out of almost 54,000 in 2024. But great this money if if we slice up this budget, what happens with the money? Just it'll stay in the But this is a separate fund, correct? Yes. Right. It's it's separate and it's incentive money, which again has strict rules as to how it can be utilized, but it just accumulates in the fund. Yeah. until there's a need. It should go ahead and you should right size. Again, it should be a public budget representing what's going to be done. So maybe not cut it down to 20, but 5,000 and and just say, you know, sure, you need computer storage or something like that. Well, I would also say that the consulting fees should go to 15 instead of 20 considering it looks like the last spend was nine. That's the only thing they're spending money on is consulting. Yeah. And I don't know that you know how much you're going to need in that line until it happens. Well, the consulting fees we just got reduced when the prosecutor came on with Malcon for the 4D claiming. Um, so that was reduced by $100 a month. So that's $1,200. Um, and then the other thing that's paid out of those consulting fees is when we have to redo our fingerprinting um, and our background checks for any employee who handles child support. And so that comes out of that line item as well. And this year, next year is the year that we

all have to renew all of that process, the fingerprinting background checks. But if you take if you cut the part-time in half and you cut the equipment storage out, that's 25. And um I think that's a great start. Do you want to cut the equipment storage system completely or would you like us to leave 5,000? Keep 5,000. Leave 5,000 in. I'm going to keep 5,000. Okay. So 15. Mhm. That it. All right. I move to approve fund 8899 with following changes. part-time reduced from 10,000 to 5,000 and equipment storage system reduced from 20,000 to 5,000. Okay. Second. All in favor? Opposed? Motion passes. And except other than the new 144s that I handed out today. Is there anything else that you'd like me to prepare and provide to you ahead of the next meeting? Yeah. on 101. Look at each item like that 20 the one we did started to do and you said cut it in half. Look at each one and see what you can cut. Okay. Just go real specific and it doesn't have to be 50%. Yeah. We're just trying to get closer to the actual and there may be one that doesn't need cut at all. Oh yeah. There'll be many that you don't cut. I'll compare to what we had last year. Yeah. And you might look and see what this year is to, you know, this 2026 and our best records are 2024. So there's a year in between, but okay, we are trying to get a lot of them that were 8,000 and then there were 1,000. So why would we give 8,000 again if only a year ago they only spent a th000, right? Okay. And then as you're looking ahead too, um just for your information, uh there will not be any more payroll after this last one for one of my election deputies because she just retired. So, whatever the balance is after this next payroll period, that'll

all revert back at the end of the year, if that helps you at all in budgeting. But you're looking to hire, you've got you've got your application process out there to hire position. No, because we don't have an election this year. And so um until next year Kay and I are going to go ahead and and finish out the year and assess and see where we are because I also have part-time um money there and Robin has agreed that she would assist and part-time next year. So we're going to see how that plays out. If you can if you can handle one less employ next year. Mary's got to get reelected next year. Mary who? There's only one Mary on the board. Commissioner Mary's gonna come work elections. No, she's going to have to get reelected next year. I was a slicer one year. You can come work in our office. I'll come help. U is there anything else in with the clerks? We're giving her instruction that we will review her general fund budget in its entirety at the August meeting. You work up what you think you need and what you can change and uh Deb can put this on the agenda for August. I think it should be the budget meeting. Budget first week of August. Yeah, we'll do it at the budget meeting. Budget meeting issues. We could do it the following week again. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And just bring that to the meeting or provide it ahead of time to each of you by email. I would say provide it ahead of time if if it's ready just to give those of us that want it out ahead of time. Yeah. Yeah. Then we can have a cleaner conversation hopefully. Okay. All right. Lisa, thank you. Thank you. Okay. The commissioners are up. Oh, no. I got a question. The unemployment line doesn't get used. Is that true? Actually held a credit in that line for quite a while. That credit has ran out. So now we will start to see charges. Okay. Okay. Okay.

And the uh commissioner's budget does uh for uh commissioners and council, they did a 3% rather than a 1500. Yeah, they picked their Yeah, we did that. Yes, I'm fine with that. Way to go, Deb. So, on the on those 3%, I know Mary Mary sent out something and I'm not sure if it got to everybody, but it was just the correction. Yes, I do have the corrected amounts. Okay, you want to read $1,500 raise. So in a commissioner line, that line should actually be $121,6 increase of $986. And on the council line, that line should be 17,4. That's an increase of 7,59. Okay, we just wiped out your second We're going the wrong way. 8,000. And I had a a question about the the employee safety supplies. Uh is that does that go back to CO and we really don't do it anymore? No, that's a brand new line for 2026 that has the bloodborne pathogen kits that safety and liability committee has come up with and Kelly is um working on that. It's it's it's more of the um risk assessment things that we're doing to help decrease risk. So that's Hey, let's uh still focusing just on the general fund. Um uh item 31504 indirect cost what for $7,000. What is that? That be the in indirect cost allocation

study. Yeah. Um, I'm not sure, but we do pay things out of there, but we're trying to figure out what it is we pay out of there over the years. It's kind of been It's still too much. I don't know what line you're talking about, though. I'm trying to I don't know, but there's only $2,000 spent out and they want seven now. So, I I'm just curious to what comes out of there. We need to take it down some. Second page. Second page. I thought you said first page. Yeah. Thank you. We have Okay. So, so have you kind of got an idea of what that is covering? They're looking in LA right now. Yeah. And if it's something that is ongoing, that's fine. I just was curious with that title. It really doesn't describe anything. And uh Bill, the the contractual services um is that some ongoing stuff or is that just anticipating that you may want to do some have a study done or something? No, that's just based on how we've used contractual over the last several years. The ladies in the auditor's office went back and did a study show how we're using our contractual services and since the commissioners pay the majority of the contractual services for the county that's just that has trended up throughout well uh in the past when we've had some studies done like the sewer project and stuff like that we'll usually use food and beverage for that rather than general general fund money. I don't think they're I don't think we've paid any studies out of this. I don't know, but we're already out of their contractual money. We're due for they're going to be asking for an additional on it. It's any contract

contracts that I have with my vendors. Um not everybody's, but the majority of the contracts are all run through the commissioners. Yes. So, and every year that I can remember, we've run out of money and had to have an additional We're there now. I see. So, so it's ongoing. It's not one time. No. Yeah. I had a question about that one, too. So, I appreciate the But the other one I had on this page, page two, was the BOC legal representation. We have a brand new $75,000 lineup. It just it seems like all these all these funds have so many lawyer fees. And as a lawyer, I'm like, these are ridiculous. Yeah. Well, if we track how much was the 3% raise supposed to be across County General in total? Was it 3 or 400,000? Do you remember that? 340,000. Okay. So 340. We said our budget. We expected to get a million more dollars. We were going to spend call it 350 on raises. That leaves you 650, but the commissioner's budget alone went up $850 without anyone else. Cuts. We have to find cuts in the commissioner budget. I think we can save some money there, though. I think you can take that BOC legal representation because not only is it BOC legal um that um lobbyist legislative board that lobbies for everybody here. They don't just lobby for the BOC. So if you have things out of it, the BOC pays for it. And and we made that decision last year and we took it food and beverage I think which would be better than doing fund. Did we use food and beverage? Yeah. Mhm. But if we set that if we set that at 50,000 instead of 75 and take 25,000 out of that and if that legislative lobbying fee goes up in the years to come and needs to be increased, we can increase it. But I don't see it

ever 50 in at least my term on the So we can cut the 75 to 50 and you feel comfortable with that? I do. And then I'm going to ask you to potentially do this though. take some of that saving the 16,500 and roll it into the next line, attorney legal services, because uh with all the litigation that we're facing, that that line is going to be none of that quickly. And as we continue to grow as a community, we're going to continue to get sued by different entities to try to have to take care of that. And Scott is not the one who does all right. with outside especially litigation firms to do is that because we're doing self-funded for our is that where that's going to is that so what they're saying no so then what what is this legal services for if it's not legal services are for defense of lawsuits that we actively actively participate in or at least that's one use of it right now that we uh we pay for just seems like I look at all these departments they all have their legal services are just exploding and we've got to we've got a nice little law here myself telling you that it's way too high prices and we got to start finding ways to cut it. It may be too high a price for people here in the county but when you hire a firm like Taft or Bose or uh I'm going against them. I know what they charge four times what I charge. Yeah, I know. I go against them. That's that's what we're looking at. I think it's a number that we can't and the county attorney can't handle. Not if it's an outside law. Some of the and not some of the specialty things that just aren't within his purview to litigate. No. So the 8500 needs to be what?

Uh if you would take Okay. So we could reduce down the line above uh $50,000. And if you would take an additional 16,500 and add it to the 8500, you'd have 25,000. And that would be a total savings over what had there of $17,000. Right. I I agree with with Bill. I think the the specialty legal services come into play depending on litigation that's going on. So it's hard to anticipate an hourly rate depending on what you're hiring them to do. So I have no problem with increasing that line item and the money will just sit there until needed. And again, if we have additional needs, we commissioners will just come back before the council and ask for and uh are are some of the legal um expenses that we're getting into have a lot to do with the westside economic development stuff because any of those could go to the RDC. Like employment issues, I would think, isn't it? Some of it is a little bit of it. Okay. And potentially I know there's been discussion to say to those that are in TIFF districts, let the TIF funds pay for those and they are. Mhm. No, this is totally outside the scope of that. It's totally into that. And I'm sorry, what did we say? Indirect cost. That's we pay for American Legal. We were able to to look that up for all of our codifying all of our ordinances. So that's But it was two grand. Yeah. But we didn't c we only codify. We can lower that. We can lower it three grand. Make it

4,000 instead of seven. That's good. I don't want to go any lower than four. And then professional services. It looks like we keep most things in contractual services. Um, do we know I mean it's only $1,500, but on contractual services, are we going to be close to 300 by the end of this year? 300,000? Yes. I mean, at least according to what I'm hearing from the audit, our contractual bills. Well, take another 500 out. I mean, we're going to get we're going to have to penny pinch as best we can. Yeah. taking 500 out of the professional services. What line item? Oh, down at the bottom 31 515. No. Yeah, that's only got 1,500 in it. So, I'm looking at the wrong one. No, it's only got but they're they used 300 last year. Oh, so you just want to cut it by $500. And I know it's small potatoes, but up the the weed stuff. Is that coming out of the like the maintenance department or something? Because the he doesn't spend much. It's totally separate. But he's been back to you guys before to ask for additional appropriations. So, all right. Again, as the county grows, the weed problem grows. The uh telephone line item, the third one on page three, actual spending 24, 30,000, ask 60,000. Can we get some funds out of there? That's the AT&T um for the hardline phones that we we pay for and I don't think we can get paying for that utility right now. So, it's doubled since 2024. Might need to shop that service if

that's the case. Well, I don't I just left AT&T for my cell phone because it is they just raise the price all the time and for it's not competitive at all anymore. Telephone has always been similar to that. I don't know what's our we can we can take that. Um I think um historically at the end of the year when we need to shore something up, we've been able to utilize some of that money. So that doesn't So I don't know. I would I would probably I wouldn't take it any lower than 40 though. Okay, that's fine. I don't see it in the past being lower than that. No. No. So, keep So, what did we do with it? Changed it to 40. 40 instead of 60. Advertising legal notices 24 spend was five grand. Ask us 14. set. Has it jumped up this year for any reason? Yeah, there's just there's been some more meetings that we have to advertise. Um I would that's three times. Anytime you're putting out a bid, we have to advertise. I mean, you can feel like we're always advertising something. I don't know. You didn't advertise much then in 2024 or Um because it's it's three times the amount. What's the difference? Cut 4,000 out of it. Make it 10. Sure. Okay. What's the difference between the line item 8 38400 senior services 50,000 and then the $600,000 that we estimated allocating?

Yeah, I I believe that's like we give to senior services for a long time and it has nothing to do with the ride share thing or whatever you want to call it. It has to do with they you know they go out and help people senior citizens and um clean their houses and do all kinds of things for them. It's just a donation that we give to senior services. Okay. Not anything to do with the reimburseable monies that we talked about. There's actually four entities that will come and request extra funds from the county. Um those are like non-governmental that we basically give money to. Uh the historical society, cemetery, um association and senior services, those and Zoe's Place. Um that's a nonprofit as well. Zoe's Place. There's $20,000 in here. Yeah, it's it's on a different line item though. It's not in. So those those will come and they will ask us for funds to help them out. Okay. Well, and yeah, I mean is that again we talked about how things just roll one budget to the next. I'm not saying defund any of those things, but there's a lot of services across the county. And so I brought this up my very first quarter on Greenfield City Council. They did the same thing. There was a handful of people. They got money. There was no process to apply. It wasn't We weren't validating their their ongoing good status with the IRS. Is there is anybody I received their budget. I received a letter requesting their funds. So, yes, there is process for them. But do you do they bring it in front of the council? They don't anymore. So, we can cut it. We We can cut it. We can cut it. And they can come and ask and they can come and ask. state board of accounts is really kind of honing in on all of the um money that we give like if we're granting people this type of

money and it's it's they're getting really picky about that. So, we need a lot of documentation. I'd like it to be in the minutes anyway. Now, Zoe's I don't know a lot about any of what they're doing with the money, but I do know that Zoe's Place is used I believe more than anything for our pro our judicial system to have children properly interviewed. So, I think there there's probably a great case there that we're the ones using that nonprofit. Now, on the other ones, are we using the other one's a slush fun? You know, is are we needing their their assistance? The egg, aren't we required with the egg? the A association. We took away their tax rate years years and years and years ago. So we give them money because a long time ago, elected officials talk giving up their right to money. A commitment to them and we made a Yeah. They made a commitment to keep the money, right? But the senior services, we just don't write them a check and hand it to them, right? They Well, they have to file a claim. Yeah. Then we write them a check. Oh, but they they do have a specific they do give you a paper chase. Well, and then you you know if you really got in the weeds on that. I mean what you know when you say well they help seniors. Well, we're already paying for the ride share. What other ways are they helping seniors? Could Meals on Wheels say that they could do more for seniors with 50,000? I don't know. I'm just saying it's a it should have a process. We should be familiar with why everyone gets what they get and why people don't get what they don't get. I'm not saying we need to change it now for the coming year, but I do think between now and the next budget, we should really analyze if that's being decided on properly. Probably behooves us to all have a grant process in place. Agreed. Yeah. Well, one thing we could change is animal control align. Is that animal control number? Is

that the negotiated number? I don't know if that's the true negotiated final number or not. I know uh Commissioner Gray has been working on the the um agreement that we came to was that we would we've got a process for that and we do now have Greenfield's number for 26. And if you use the um uh percent from 24 that we said we would use, that's 38.54% times their budget, that number comes out to $443,362. So, if we stick with our agreement that and and we proposed it to Greenfield, uh that would be the number. I'm I'm keen on that. 443 362. And I thought when you when you had that conversation last, it was kind of verbally agreed upon that that was the way it would be done for more than one year, wasn't it? For I mean, you guys were talking as doing it that way here on out. Right. Right. The I think the initial one that you and I were at, Jim, was one it was more expensive because we gave them a truck, an animal truck process. Has Janine or anyone had any luck with the outlying towns participating like Fortville, Georgeville, New? Uh, not yet. They're still trying to work out what that looks like because just because there may be a response logged in a 911 log doesn't mean that an animal control type event took place.

So the towns are saying, "Hey, have any record of that in our records?" And they're still trying to work out a process that fairly taxes the uh government unit for the use of animal control. I spoke with the mayor and he said it's they're still negotiating and talking and they haven't really come to anything yet. I went with Janine to McCordsville and overall I didn't think it went real well. Yeah, that's what the mayor said. It wasn't on the animal control. Yes. Yeah. Getting the towns and things to do their share, but Greenfield would reserve the right to just stop answering calls anywhere where they don't feel like people are paying. Correct. Sure. Yeah. They're not statutoily required to be providing animal control to other municipalities. So, N. But I do think that falls on Greenfield to work that out. That's okay. I'm going to work through starting on page one of the general fund for the commissioners to see what we're all on the same page or if there's any other changes that we want to discuss. Uh first one being uh line item 31050 reducing $75,000 to $50,000. Line item 31100 reducing or increasing actually 8,500 to 2500. uh indirect cost which is 31504 will go from 7,000 to 4,000 professional service 31515 uh 1,500 will go to a,000 second page uh the phone services 32400 will go down to 40,000 from 60 33100 advertising and legal notices 14,000 will go to 10 and then the animal control. Do we want to leave it at the 507665 or reduce it to the number that Jim read

out 443662? Reduce it to the number Jim read out. And if they want to argue that the 2024 percentage is not accurate, we could revise it. And did I read that number correctly, Jim? Yeah. 443 662. 362, right? 443 362. You did say to increase the line 31100 to 25,000. Yeah. Yes. One one other quick thing. If we granted 425,000 for utilities last year, did we have another building come online? It the new one is $235,000 more. So it's 660 this year. Did we have new buildings come online or something? The reason it doubled most of them and we only spent about half of that. It looks like in 24 we spent 321,000. Now the one 660,000. Yeah, that's a big Yeah, I I I I think the auditor would have to speak to that. There has to be a paper chase on it. I think that the What line? Yeah, I'm not I'm kind 35100 35100 utilities. Okay, so utilities, we did have we do have some things that have come up on that. We've added the new jail. Some of the utilities we pay some that the jail pays, sheriff pays, but that ought to be coming from the lit. Is it paid from the lit? Yes, we have I think we can take 160,000 out of that part of that. Well, it was 425 is what we budget them. Yeah, but it goes up. It's gone up

since4, right? But okay, it goes up 50,000%. Yeah. What's our I mean, is it easy to say what our actual utility is now halfway? 75,000 at this very second. No, cuz it, you know, it would it would it should correlate about double to where we are. I mean, we're halfway into the year. There's the same amount of hot and cold left in in a calendar year. So, cut the hot water down. So, right now, your date, we've spent the temperature at the plumbing. Did you hear that? We've spent 34 216,000 216,000 years 500 like 500 seems especially the jail we just said 500 and take 160,000 out of that. Okay. So we're going to reduce 35100 utilities to 500,000. Correct. Yeah. That's still 75,000 more or still 100 80,000 more than we spent last year. We we may have an addition uh Deb and and Mary the 491707 for mental health gue that I believe was the number in the 1782 for 25. Yes. We just put it in there because they haven't released it. The growth question. So the growth function probably would you would that line to be 511 375 with the 376 rounded up as you know they're still entitled to that right even we just always use until we go on to gateway and get that or DGF and get that

number we just okay so we will uh on line item 38600 mental health galahue You will re increase that amount to $511,375. How much is that? 376 cuz I had 28. That's a Say that again. 376. The 37 to 376. Gotcha. That's basically 20,000. Mary, before we go any further, can could we go back to the um the increase for the commissioners and the council? I think there was going to be a change on that and I didn't hear you say anything on what? What? Yeah, you guys you read somebody read that into it. Yeah. So, those are the changes. Um the uh 14104 commissioners the correct number is 121637 and 14203. Council the correct number is 107400. Thank you. So, if that takes care of everything within their general fund, I do have a question on the non-navigable steams streams. It has gone up quite a bit and $5,000 is quite Chad. Yeah, Chad asked for that last year to for it to go up. came in and asked for it. Mhm. And the 25,000 how much of it he and the capital asset expenses. Um we're not spending much out of that. Capital assets. We can we can drop that down to I would I would say I wouldn't want to go any any lower than 7,000. That's that's one of the expenses that comes from the auditor's office. M okay. All right. So, we'll reduce 39 720 capital assets from 15,000 to 7,000. Mhm.

I second it. Well, that I that wasn't my motion. That was that's that was making sure everyone was on the same page with the numbers. And then if we are, do you need read back to you? Are you guys comfortable with what you got? Okay. So, now we need a motion. Okay. I'll make that motion. Okay. Robin made a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Tammy made a motion as a second. All in favor? I opposed. I Okay, that passed six to one on the general fund budget of the commissioners. The commissioners are trying to do their part in helping the county. So, you did a good job. That was that's about 240,000. So, thank you. We working with you diligently for you to come back versus everybody else. Yeah. Key Mary, we do have a running tally spreadsheet with I have not been running. Do the commissioners have a CCD? Yes, the commissioners have a CCD budget. I'm sorry, Mary. It's a super simple one. We've we've removed $269,99 including the clerk and well the 19k for the clerk you didn't count right because we didn't approve that or that yeah the clerk thing's not I did you did go ahead and include the 19 for the clerk even though because we said we were vote on it it's going to happen it is so yeah I would keep track of that so I've got the reduction of the official salary and Okay, we're going to move on to CCD. Does anybody have any questions? The county farm. Oh, the county farm budget. I was Where's the county farm budget? 30,000. I question about the county farm uh bill maintenance department that we have. Aren't they doing the mowing out? We can

we can probably cut that in half because the other part would be to maintain the building in the barn that's on that 101 CCD here part of the general commission. Is this what we're calling grounds maintenance expense? Okay. Yeah. So take it to 5,000 part of the general fund. So let's cut 4,000 out of it and take it to 5,000. Oh, it's a separate. Okay. Sorry. I move we approve uh fund 101 county farm um as written with the exception of the ground maintenance expense would go to 5,000 second it all in favor motion passes CCD this for commissioners yes we're moving on to the uh it says all department CCD commissioners ers. So, um, a whole bunch of pages have any questions? All of it or just the commissioner's page? There are three items on it. It's just Yeah, I think there's a lot of things in the CCD that they've just carried over every year even though they've not used it. page. Mhm. Yeah. The uh AED equipment bill. That's the um oh um heart the heart defiills that you see in all the county buildings. And then I think the ones that the sheriff has, we take care of those. Mhm. Okay. I have and the motor vehicle two lease vehicles that we have that we pay for out of that which the leases are like $800 a month. So who drives those? Um it alone it has one and um

and and if someone needs um to go to conference or something like that, people will borrow them. What' you say the council capital expense one? We have a $100,000 line item in our council budget. I wondered why, but we have we're not too we're not there yet. So, during the commission, they have a $10,000, but I know we've got council other I think the other one is driven by the prosecutor's investigator. It's page nine of the CCD budget. Yeah. So, council other capital, what? We don't need that. What is that supposed to be something else? We've had that since I've been here. And I know at least one time we paid the weights and we paid um for a fuel measuring device for weights and measures out of it. And it's it's just always been there available to us if we if we needed to use it. Is is CCD the the general? I could just get one that was taller. Is that not county general? The CCD. I took the taller chair. Okay. The CCD doesn't Are we going on to facility management? So, did we do we have to vote on Are we're saving the vote for Yeah. holistically later? I would think so. Okay. So facility maintenance, nothing life shading there. Okay. So um so nothing changing the commissioner CCD. I don't think so. Then facility maintenance. Okay. For that. Yes. Okay. I wondered about the uh janitorial services. Do we bid that out um every year or periodically? Not every not every year. I mean, I

think typically we're we are trying to adhere to a three-year cycle unless somebody is doing something wrong, okay, where it needs to be done, and we're in the process of putting that cleaning uh process out to bid again. So, is the janitorial services, it looks like it's going from 0 to 167. Is that not correct then? Because that was my problem. You just added that went from commissioner from a fund. Oh, it was moved from your commissioner's budget. And what was it in the commissioner's budget last year? Yeah, this is one where it's hard to make comparisons because there's prior because and we well we took a lot of it out of commissioners moved it over. Yeah. 132,600. That's what the 2025 budget is. In 24 and then so we're going up to one. He thinks it's going to be a massive increase. It's it's a lot of increase because a lot of the departments are requesting more times for their building or their offices to be clean. Oh. So instead of like twice a week or once a week, it's Right. It's a lot more than that. Wait, what do you what do you mean by that? I mean, what do you mean by that? Department heads can just say, "I'd like my I'd like my office cleaned more every day." Well, let's say for instance, the 911 center has people there all the time. They would like to have them come there instead of just one times a week. Well, they're open 247. Well, get them broom out. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. Well, I'm not sure. It's crazy because at least what I've seen and one of the reasons why we're doing it here is I don't think they're doing a great job right now to begin with. So, the cleaning is not doing a good job. Never has. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's why you need to

clean so much is because you're not doing a thorough job when you're there. I'm not at all. You know, Kevin facility maintenance department was supposed to save time and money and so far, you know, we just need more money, more money for everything that has to do with facility maintenance. Um cuz I mean, does does this include the bathrooms? Yes. Because I really think the bathrooms need to be cleaned more than once a week. Sure. Yeah. Every day almost. Well, they're they are being cleaned. They are. Okay. But the two facilities people we have are trying to stay on top of the mowing and the snow blowing and they're not going to be able to do actual cleaning unless we want to hire, you know, hire cleaners to do. So, we could hire we could hire a cleaning person. You could you could, but what would that staff look like? Can one person do all the county buildings that we have and take care of all those efficiently and effectively? I think that's why contract that out. I'm not saying contracting is the wrong way to go, but 170,000. Yeah, that was my only concern on this budget. Is that is I don't I wish I could tell you if I knew that was 60,000 too much or you know, you can hire a lot of people for $170,000 and paying for a year. Cleaning people. Yeah. I have the same thing with instead of buying we bail John out of jail. I don't need two people. I buy trucks that need two people because I'm saving $100,000 a year. Okay. We can give up some. Right now we're 60% through what we had budgeted for this year. Okay. What what did you have budget this year? Cuz it it doesn't show on my paper. 132 line is 156,860. Okay.

was left off. When you say cleaning is not being done, well, are we talking about kitchens and bathrooms? Are we talking about floors being swept? I mean, obviously, they're not supposed to be cleaning off people's desks. So, you're talking about floors, bathrooms, kitchenetses, what? Emptying trash, tiny trash cans. We're talking about potentially cleaning being done with improper cleaning materials. Oh, wrong. Well, why don't we leave it the same because right now you're saying you're 60ome thousand in total if it's something I want to off into. I know. I know. I I I see where he's going because we're going down a rabbit hole. Okay, I'm done. Is somebody going to shop it? We are. We are. Well, what what I'm saying is we're not even going to use last year's budget this year because you're saying we're 60ome thousand in and it's 150 some,000. 60% in. We're 60% in of the 150,000 of the 150. Oh, okay. Or 60% left. We have 60% left. I I suggest that we leave the janitorial services line alone until Okay. until they wash through that a little. Okay. Better. U the equipment maintenance and repair was a new item too. It was from It was one that was moved I think from the commissioners over Oh, you're right. I saw some of those. They were moved from the commissioner's budget. Yeah, that was it was 20,000 last year. All right. But they didn't they didn't have it in 2024 because we don't so we don't know if they what they would have spent. You know what I'm saying? They Bill, my my question has to do with their CCD request. Um they're having they're putting equipment in there at 175,000 and we bought all their equipment, didn't we? I we did. I mean that's definitely we can go down we can probably take that down to $100,000.

Okay. What what would they what would they need for a h 100,000 even? Well, this year I I would say, you know, take it to 100, no less than $75,000 because even if you get new items, you can have breakage and have to replace. You're going to have to have just general maintenance in and of itself. we still have them do uh a certain amount of uh work for the county where you may need plumbing tools, you may need electrical tools, you may need a forklift to move materials around, those kind of things. So, that's why I would potentially leave it. I wouldn't totally drain it and I understand where you're coming from, but yeah, whether it's new or old, you're still going to have there's still going to be issues. Mhm. Well, their maintenance would come under their maintenance stuff, but well, if a large purchase comes up of a piece of equipment, you know, there's times where we're like, hey, we've got room in this capital budget. There's times we're like, you know what, we don't have room in any capital budgets. We just need to eat it out of food and beverage for a large expenditure. So, if this could cover, you know, so here's the other the other issue that we have too. This is just year number two of getting into this understanding what they need. And so the first year we supplied all their capital need. This year you know what what do we have? What will it look like for 2026? I'm not really sure. Well, on the breakdown for their CCD money for the facility maintenance, they listed the request as $175,000 for equipment. And then they listed $185,400 for miscellaneous building expenses. So that grand total is $360,000 of CCD. So if you wish, you can pair down. I

would recommend or in my opinion, I would say take the um equipment budget to 75,000 because there's still blower, you know, backpack blowers and other items that need to be paid for out of that. The building expense when things come up, you don't realize how well you do how quickly those budgets just go dry because in doing commercial work, I mean, I would say residential work for, you know, square foot of a home, you're looking at $150 to do things. On a commercial level, we're seeing things that are like $450 to $500 commercially to repair things. And I would consider all these county buildings commercial type buildings. And the materials that have to be picked out to go back into places of some of the stuff that's failing here has just went up over time. Whether it was because of COVID or tariff, whatever. We've just seen an overall increase in material costs. Oh, you'd like to leave the 185,000 alone? 185,000. Okay. Yes, just leave that. So, that's under the CCD facility maintenance uh request uh reducing the equipment line item from $175,000 to $75,000 and the miscellaneous building expenses leave as presented. Please what? leave leave the miscellaneous expenses to um 185,400 but reduce the equipment to 75,000 that's in the CCD and that's out of CCD and so what are we doing with the 220 on there on the general fund and then you've got um Yeah. Yeah. So we've got $220,000 in general fund on top of that, right? Well, we've got building maintenance and repairs at $220,000. So, you add that to your $185,400.

That's what $400,000 somewhere real close for building maintenance and repair. You've got $45,000. 400 in building maintenance and repair. Should you have taken the 180,000 out of the building and maintenance repair on the general fund if you're going to put it in the CCD fund is it easier to maneuver out of? I mean, it just we just pay whatever we're directed to pay out of, but this 220 does any repair if it's a door knob or if they're painting stripes outside or they've got a, you know, plumbing. They're pretty much they're labeled the same which it's not always capital so you can't pay out of capital which is easier to pay out of well general the general fund is because like they just said not everything's a capital expense. So my suggestion is we leave the building and maintenance in the general fund and and and cut some of the building at the CCD one. Then I I don't know if you have $400,000 a year of uh of doorork knobs. I mean, yeah, that that sounds that sounds like you're bu we're building another building. Well, again, you know, your residential doorork knob costs this year. Well, I understand, but $400,000 is But we're not going to order $400,000 in doorork knobs. But when you talk about stuff that I thought having a maintenance department would do is they I don't think they do big jobs. They don't we don't do the big big jobs, but the small ones they do. And we're still Gary uh P had put together a uh key performance indicator number that told us that we would not probably start to see this payoff until year three or year four of them pushing our facilities guys pushing our own snow or mowing our ong grass because that's what was submitted to you to say okay yes we'll

buy you all these capital items. So, in a year, do I think we're taking baby steps to get there? Yes. But I don't think we're going to be able to say until year. So, hey, I want them to come back to you and say, "Here's what our savings." If we were to cut that line item, would it be best to cut it from the general fund as opposed to CCD for the overall health of the budget? Yeah. But the problem is on CCD, Jim spelled it out. We have about two million in revenue coming in each year. And that's like that will trend down because of assessed value and we're at 4 million in a total budget in CCD. Okay. Something's got to go. Okay. Then I suggest overall if we can leave $300,000 there, we would basically leave the general fund at $220,000 and we'll reduce the CCD to 100,000 and that would uh save us $85,400 in CCD. And that gives them a a working budget of 300,000 basically to start the year. Well, three round. You need to cut a 100,000 out of CCD and give them 80,000 in CCD and give them 220 here and that gives them 300,000. That's and I think that's a lot. I actually think that's probably next year they'll say, "Well, we didn't unless they unless they try to spend that much money, they they probably won't spend that much." Well, it's hard to anticipate maintenance. You don't know until it's broke. Uh, so I can't I mean we're not anticipating buying chillers and anything this time. We bought those last time, right? Well, and the chillers probably different than this because I would consider that an emergency and not you would That's what I'm saying. This is not emergency stuff. But I will say that some of those things are just in a cycle of failing like anything else. So you could expect it

and that chiller was probably 140,000. And then because we couldn't get it for a year, we had to rent something that was another $14,000 a month rent. So that can go like that. And the elevator, I remember when the elevator went down and you know, you you can't anticipate that kind of thing. It's just but it has to be fixed immediately in Texas. And some of those big capital items can go in the geo bond too if there are any. Can I just check for clarification on this 80,000 and the CCD? That's we're taking the 1854 down to 80,000. That's my suggestion. Okay. And but we're still going to keep the equipment at 75,000. The equipment. Yes. Okay. Some of the equipment we bought last year too will have will have warranties on them also. Lowers mowers and stuff since they're so new. Can we get a motion on this? 175 you're saying is going to 75 and 185 is going to 85. Is that what I just heard? 80. Make your motion. So moved. No, I didn't make it. I said make it. Make a motion. Um, okay. In the CCD budget for facility maintenance for facility maintenance, the equipment that was previously listed 175 is going to 75. And the facility uh maintenance and repair that was previously listed 185,000 is going to 80,000. I'll second it. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. So on behalf of the facilities maintenance department, we speaking for Corey are doing our best to try to help the county out cut costs. We comes up obviously come to council and I think they'll have a clear picture next year when their budget is again what they really we still need. Okay, we're going to stop here and uh hold on. We're behind. I know we we haven't finished facility

maintenance resources. No, we need a motion on the general fund. Yes. I make a motion on facility maintenance general fund 101 as is. Have a second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. All right. Go ahead. Okay. So, we got that and now we need to resource human resource. Human resource. I got a question in the um well first of all the the two new people find her out but the uh attorney and legal services why would why wouldn't you be using Scott I use Scott as much as possible but if there's a situation where um it's a conflict of interest be between me and the commissioners or and whoever Scott is representing for the county, then this is an opportunity to go outside of that. So, I r I've done that maybe once for employment specific issues last year, but this is not we put it in there because this is only the second year well first year of my budget and I'm only six months in. So, I didn't change that from last year. Um, but I haven't had that need this year yet. So when possible, I'm utilizing Scott all the time, but there may be an occasion where I can't utilize Scott. But should the need for legal counsel beyond the one we have hired, I mean, you the commissioners keep it in their budget for legal counsel beyond our own legal counsel? Should it all go through there? Um because what she's saying is she Scott Banky represents the commissioners and council. If there's an issue with one of us, then she needs to be able to get outside counsel. And it needs to be through a

different budget, not his. I see. Because, you know, so I think it I I agree with what she's saying, but she's going to hardly use it unless you have an issue like our previous one of our previous commissioners. I got you. Okay. Yes. It's my understanding that the uh additional full-time person was never uh forwarded with the commissioner's recommendation. So, it's not it's not going to be an issue for this year. You recommend a part-time person. We didn't recommend No, I did not make a I did not make a formal request to the commissioners part of partly because of a time factor with my schedule and job duties. Um, but I have not I have not made that request for a part-time person either. Um, I think it was I got the general feeling that nobody was interested. So, they just can't afford it. I'd be interested in the part-time person more. Um, yes, definitely. And it's something we probably need to go to in the next year. It's something we need to consider because she needs help. She's probably working a lot more than 35 hours a week, I would guess. Yeah. And and you did list that 20 to 29 hours a week. If they put get to 29 hours a week, we have to offer benefits. So, we need to mark that as no more than so 25 hours a week. our I I understand I don't want them to go over 30 is affordable care act for benefits but our plan because we're self-insured anybody under 35 is considered part-time so we have a little bit of protection there so that's why I keep track of that said that's different than what I remember in the IRS laws on that that's what would dictate 30 30 is the IRS okay so I guess there needs to be a discussion about whether or not we want to fund a part-time person um just put some money in a part-time line item to use as she sees fit. Anybody want to discuss that? Do what? So, so like she would have like most most departments have a part-time line item that they can just use when needed.

Yes. Right. And so that's what we're trying to discuss here. It could be set up that you use 15 hours a week and they know that or you have a busy season that's during insurance time that it's your call really. It's just a line item with part-time funding in it. So maybe so this commissioner would recommend a part-time employee versus a full-time employee especially based on what our financial advisor has told us that we shouldn't hire any more full-time employees. this goaround or try to steer clear of kind of doing that, but the part-time makes sense and you guys could vote on that at your next meeting to prove that we could do a part-time person. Well, she she would have a Yeah, I don't know. You would have a line item for part-time. You don't have a salary ordinance for that. I know, but we still in part on salary full time. How about How about this? We uh approve the uh human resources u budget as presented uh but uh without the administrative assistant and $15,000 in part-time. Is that a motion? It's a motion. Second. All in favor? I motion carries. And then the rest of my budget is a net savings of $100. [Laughter] So again, this is my first year for budget realizing I'm not using postage as much as I thought I would, but I do have requirements um that that I have to mail out certain documents. Um but I also know that we need to update legal posters. So I moved money from my human resources supplies to advertising and legal notices and then reduced my um postage by one. I think we're good. Thank you. Thank you. We'll come back to CCD later, right? Cuz we're going to go through that. Yeah.

You want to go through it now? I I would We're way We're half hour behind. She had zero in. Could we take a break? I don't have CD. She She didn't have Oh, for her. We might I don't know. Um Yeah. Do what? I was just saying if after the break maybe we could get the judges in because I don't know what they're scheduled. They're already three deep. Okay. Yeah. Um do you guys want a fivem minute break here? A real quick break. Jim. Jim wants a quick break. So, five minutes. Yeah, we're done. Yes, we did. We're done. Yes. Thank you. All the cords. Not going to make it. Going into town. See you guys later. Going in the towel. I can't stay up on everything. I'm trying to get you on. Sorry. I was trying. So, you said I could tell that you guys have you have your schedules planned. Yeah. Friday. Yeah. So, I'm assuming if we do it in a half an hour, I don't think it's going to take. Yeah, I'll do it by guys. It's good. Yeah. It's so simple this year though. It's pretty nice.

Not budget wise, but otherwise Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, but I'm saying if we Robin, tell them to go ahead and start without me if I'm not back. said they were looking well 41 393 we don't pay anything they pay 413 well and they said we had to ask them questions take never tell we need to do it and they said well it's too late to do that just tell us hey Dean how are you without [Music] How's it going out there with the weeds? How's your family? I saw your post about your son again. I think about you a lot. That never gets easier, does it? He wipe out his wipe. I don't know why. [Music]

It's amazing what goes on out there. I think it's a little different with moms. Yeah. Yeah. We almost lost Jenny. We came very close four different times and it was and there was there was one time where we didn't except for our faith in God. It didn't look like she was going to come out of it. And you know with her it was two issues because we had the babies. We had a brand new a newborn and a six or a a two-year-old. And you know, and I hear her husband Chris was thinking, and we were, [Music] how are you? I'm doing well, sir. Oh, breakfast with your old chron. Oh, that was before he left. Oh, okay. We do it every Saturday. Judge Marsh, we do it every Saturday. He is going to go cycle. Oh yeah. I talked to him yesterday. He was he was in a a really bad cell phone area. He said he was in the hoops and you know place. Yeah. [Music] Yeah. You know when you get your kids raised that's just the beginning. It is. the new paloo for him that day.

Oh my goodness. That's great. Grandma. Yes. Yes. And I have an opportunity to spoil the granddaughter because my daughter and her husband are trying to do a lot of travel. This is It's tough because you got to stay on top of each one. They had the kids with them. They got notes. I got notes to look at. You know, everything like so I know which one issues with the dog. Yeah. It's it's And he gets tiring cuz you like somebody cracks the joke. They were in I mean it's it's pretty serious. It's tough. I'm so glad. This is the part people don't realize. It's this massive like YouTube does not you don't see the massive book that we're going you got to chase your kids around. That's the most people you get in the room too. You counsel except for it's not many. Um you only have George is the only person in the public essentially. So, um I I know people will probably watch this on YouTube and they'll probably be commenting like like I voted on the commissioners. That's everybody else has been said yes so far except for that one. Well, I won't say a word. I probably I just I thought the 3% was fine. I don't think we need to do more. I will tell you then we'll look over and Robin will be like this. It's working. Oh, I would I would I would sleep when we come back to what we need to cut more. I think commissioners would be the one we look at the most. Okay. Get to the day that I need my community correction all day at home. But if I'm sitting in a chair, I need coffee. I say I have to have my coffee in the morning or I'm You have any problem with judge Marshall's budget? I don't have any problem with this. check with Mary. I did not look at the judges that closely. So, are we moving judges up? Uh, Judge Marshall first. He His is pretty easy. I guess we are. I didn't know. So, I thought Deb said

they have something they're in the middle of in quarter. Yeah, I think we Marshall needs to go. Okay, guys. Let's get started. Yep. We're going to uh go ahead and hear Judge Marshall first. What What court is he? Superior Court two. Two. Superior Court. He is in two. Oh, I did see a little mistake. Your um 3% that 217474 or 476 should be 217474. That should be $2 less. $3. $3 less. No, no, you're right. $2 $2 less. Okay. Yeah. Here we go. 2174724. 474. Yes. Okay. That's round. That's rounding. Yeah, probably. That's a a big round, but still. Yeah. All right. 474. 474. Um, we weren't kidding when we said we were cutting this budget one dollar at a time. Dollars. You paid for someone else. So, thank you. Yeah. Okay, judge. Uh, part-time, is this in line with some with what you're already doing in 25 or is it going up? I I I increased that by the same 3% I did other salaries because I'm bumping up my part-time pay as well for okay for can't say go ahead with that 3% called for something okay and and we're looking for any little thing your equipment maintenance and repair you really don't use too much. It varies. We have things like a folding machine, which right now we're waiting on a part for it because we put in a bunch of things today for it to fold and it folded one. Um, so you know, it it varies based on when things crash and burn, but right now our folding machine is not operational. We haven't I don't think that's a bad number just to have there for maintenance. Um, I you didn't use a a lot of your

postage and printing and publications. Those two lines. Yeah, that that's all those uh publications things come in a big group because we get supplements for all for some we maintain some hard volume law books and you get supplements for those and it's a big chunk but it's like once a year. Okay. So you get spent 14,000 of it last year. Yeah. 24 you spent they sp they send you a big box with all your supplements. I was looking at that as being what he's he had left. So that's my my mistake mistake. And the jury meal and lodging, when does that apply? Um, that applies if like the the jury is deliberating during a time when you would have to feed them and also if they if they can't reach a a verdict overnight, uh, you have to house them because they're not allowed to separate in a criminal case unless the parties agree. Now, I do everything I can to keep that from happening. Yeah. And you have how many people in a jury? Well, in my court, it's usually six in an alternate, so that's seven people. Um, so at 150 a night for a hotel room plus $20 a night to feed him, but he hasn't been feeding them very well. If you had to do that a couple times, it would take 25, right? And you had in your CCD budget, I see, is just $700. And it says Braden folding machine. Yes. Yeah. That's a rental on the folding machine. That's a rental. So that's in that's in CCD. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. All right. I make a motion to approve Spirit Court 2's 101 general county general budget with the exception change of uh the $2 change that Mary no pointed out earlier. A second. All in favor over that $2. Thank you. Appreciate it. We haven't voted. All in favor? I opposed. Okay, you're good.

Motion to approve. Thank you. Okay. Uh either one of you guys just come on up. Superior court. Superior one. All right. I saw a mistake in yours, Judge. What's my mistake? Uh superior court one. I wrote down the mistake was your 144 was missing. G Judge Davis at $5,000 because it's not paid on the salary ordinance. It's paid to the state. Everybody else I thought had it. That's why I was the other judges had it. That's why I was Okay. Honor maybe it is on the salary ordinance. I'm not sure on 144. Yeah. All the other judges 144. Yeah. Cuz like Judge Marshall had 5,000 but then he didn't have the his. So I noticed So you need to we need to add that. Add the 5,000. Davis would like his 5,000. Do I have the right amount in for the salary for the court reporters? Yes, you do. It's 3% increase. So that would be fine. 4369. We need to add the juvenile magistrate to circuit. Well, circuit. No, it's going to be his. We we could both talk about that. Okay. In a minute. I just want in regards to my other budget items. The one thing I did uh point out was if you want me to do the evaluations instead of 10, go back down to five and I come in front of you to ask you for more more money. I can do that. That's what I did this year. I can do that again. I think we've spent more almost 20,000 so far. Um so I please understand why I would say hey it should be larger because we last two years we've spent more than five but I don't have a problem going back down to that knowing as long as I can come back and ask for more. That's fine. That was uh that's 31302 is your printing and publication I saw in 2024 you spent 2534 you're asking for 5500 again. Can that be cut in any way judge? Well, the only thing we do for that is we usually help out with because

our postage is under. I know my postage is going to go over this year. Um, if you want to cut something out, I have no problem unless you understand, hey, it's cut. So, if we have to come in and say, hey, we're short on this because there's some of this some of the money and it's in the same category, Mr. Waridge. And so, we can transfer that into pay. Um, things like that. We had to do that when we did um like we use office equipment in regards to paying post. Postage is is a problem. I I we just paid a bill of of like $7,000. I only got 10 and that was half a year. So, I'm going to go over it. Um on court interpreter, how is 2025 tracking? We usually go through it and we're probably going to, but we try to pull it from somewhere else to pay. Mario uh luckily his health's better and he's back helping us all out. Um and uh but I have had um Pujami. I had to learn what that was. Um and then Creole, I've had that in my court now. Usually those were only downstairs with Judge Marshall. Now they're upstairs. So that language line, I don't know if you guys get a bill. Uh Bev, do you guys get a bill? I'm I'm not sure if that comes from YouTube to claims. It doesn't come directly to I just call on the phone and sometimes you can get somebody. If you ask for Spanish, no problem. If you ask for Creole or Pujami, I'm sitting there sitting there. So, Judge Marshall's staff have been kind enough to say, "Here's some people." And luckily, I had a Creole that I knew was coming in for a new hearing and we got somebody to come over, but that's a unique language for getting an interpreter. Never heard of it. Okay. So any of these smaller like evaluation and witness fees you is that one you said that was the one I said cut that back to five. I'm fine and just know I if things keep happening I'll probably come back. We'll keep in corporate interpreter you

think you'll use it all. Postage you'll definitely use it all. Cell phones in 2024 you spent about half of this request. Okay. What's the request on the cell phones? Uh 2,000. How much? I only spent a thousand in 24. Yeah. Last year. I don't know. 1,200. Okay. 1,200. I don't want to short it. I pay Magistrate Kum's phone out of that as well. So, I'm just paying. We We don't need new phones. They gave me a new phone to give to Magistrate Kums. So, um I I it's going to be the normal monthly bill that you get. And you said printing and publication. I just usually pull that to pay for my postage because I'm over. Oh, because you're over. Yeah. Well, I've been over the last two years. Equipments, maintenance, and repair. Is it just in case or is that just in case? What kind of equipment do you have that you have to maintain or repair? Um, a printer and Yeah, we got printers, but I also um Bernie's been trying, but he hadn't done it. But, um, I bought an TV to sit in front and we've tried to get it so there's one in the back so the gallery can see. If you know my courtroom to come in, so if you're sitting on this side, you can't even see it. Um Bernie said, "Well, you have to buy get something for that. There's no budget for that." And then what I'm trying to do is and what I've learned is if the state or the defense wants to come in their laptop and attach to the to that TV so they can control it. They don't want me to control it from up there on the bench. So they can say they can just click click click. Well, then it can't go back to me. So, if I'm on my monitor on Zoom, it can go to the TV, which also can go to the monitor at the quit witness stand. I set that up so hey, if this is happening, everybody able to see and everything. Bernie said we can't reverse it. So, what's happening in my trial that I'm in right now and taking a break from, um, is that the state goes up there and and

and puts their laptop into the HDMI and then it only stays on that TV. So, if you're sitting over here or you're my staff or myself, we can't see it. Now, our workaround has been give me physical copies of what you're showing on the TV. That's how I worked around it. Otherwise, I've had to come off the bench and sit down sit over in the jury box. I don't do that when we have jury. So, I tell them, "Give me the physical copy." But, it's those kind of things. I don't see that we're going to have any drastic amount amount of expenses. Our computers seem good. Our monitors seem good. Um, we probably we've had to order a mat recently, but honestly, I don't think we have lots. If you need to cut back on that, okay, just know if we need something, I'll need to come back in front of you. So, could we do 2500 in case something comes up on equipment? Make it 5,000. Just if something comes up, just know I might come back. And then going back up to office. What number is that? 36100 36100 plus on page one and on office supplies you asked for 10,024 you spent 5,000 could we I know we're nickel and diamond but we're doing that all day and try to come up with Can you give me seven? Seven? Yep. Seven's fine. So I'll make a I don't spend it. You guys get back. But I understand I understand what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Is there anything on page two? Anything on the next page? Davis. Uh just curious uh on the postage. Is is that um a requirement like a state requirement that you send things out by postage instead of electronic? Yes, it is. I if they went to emails it' be as but they haven't done it. So we end up that's what the folding machine I think Judge Marshall was saying. We all have to do it. It's you gota our staff are is folding them every day. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to run through the

changes that we discussed to make sure everybody's on the same page and then we can go for a motion after that. Uh the budget uh line item 21100 office supplies reduced to 7,000. Line item 31302 evaluation and witness fees reduced to 5,000. Cell phones 3242 reduced to 1,200. 36100 equipment maintenance reduced to 2500 and the rest stay as presented. Was that what was that number? Uh 36100. Move to approve general fund 101 with those changes stated by our president. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. The juvenile magistrate is I don't care if you put it in my budget. We don't our judge budget is it not currently in the juvenile bistrate. It's in either budget right now. It's not and it's not in either one. Let me ask a question. Is that definitely been okayed from the state? No, I didn't. No, we you have to approve it. And I talked to IOCS or last week and they said if the county approves it, then they're likely to approve it. But you have to approve it to say we'll pay for 41393. That's what you pay. They pay everything else. Now, do we also have to pay the 5,000 on top of that? not would not answer that question. And unless Yeah, we don't And unless the state if the state doesn't pay for that, then they don't get it. We don't get it. Okay. If I remember right, they also pay the benefits, right? They do, too. Yeah. Your cost is 41,393. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you in regard, you heard it the last time about why we need we went from 20th to 8th. We're at 4.7. We have three uh four we have 3.9. I have a jury trial. I'm in break right now. I have another one on Jul July 21st. I have two in August. They're all going and I'm probably going to I have

three more. They're going after this one. And I know um I know I'm going to have two or three more the end of the year. Everybody just seems like they want to ask for juries left and right. I can't say no. Um we're doing the best we can in regards to stuff, but we're just really busy. And then you also have the behavioral health court budget. Yes, that's behavior. There's somebody here to do that. Oh, a separate position. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to keep He's in the jury trial. So, okay. Does it It does not matter to you guys if the magistrate is under circuit or under your juvenile magistrate. I don't care. Or juvenile magistrate. You want put it under sub one then? That's fine. I Whatever you want to do. Make a move make a motion that we add the juvenile magistrate to the superior one court's budget in the amount of Can you repeat it, judge? 41, uh 393. $41,39 $393. Seconded. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Seconded. Robin. I think Carrie can handle it. We did do that part-time on the when she comes up on the VHC. We did do just make we bump the part-time money up so we wouldn't hire a full-time uh field officer. So that there's that change on that. I think that's what you guys was requesting, a part-time rather than a full-time because you don't pay have to pay benefits. So besides that, Carrie can handle things. Okay. Anything else for me? You're good. Thank you. Go back to your trial. Okay. Now we'll move on to circuit court. Are you in a trial, too? Busy. Okay. Okay, I comb through the salaries and it does appear that the reporter baiff administrator line 12005 is more than the 3%. Okay, but I uh yeah, it's 5.2.

Thought I was okay on that. I'm just trying to Patty and Sandy have worked so long so I try to get them more and then uh you guys did a salary amendment in 20125 which wouldn't have been reflected on this um okay so we previous there's a little bit of a change. We're going to double check that for you. That's why it seems like it's more math's not there. Yeah, because it says 5.28%. That's I can I can make a mistake that's for sure. Um, you also have um elected official 5,000, which is fine. Magistrate 5,000, but you also say court commissioner 5,000. What's that? Well, we shouldn't have that. I'll delete that out. The old line for Okay. Yeah. So, I'll delete that out. That's my mistake. Yeah, just magistrate kums. There's no core commissioner. And yes, he did have a salary amendment. um so that wasn't Well, should we just submit an amended to knock that out or 5,000? No, you don't have to submit an amended. Yeah, just uh we'll just mark it out. Thank you. Uh Deb, did you come up with a number for the calculation to be figured on? No, I haven't done that yet. Okay. Um which one are we knocking out? Well, we were discussing that I I had calculated the 3% on his reporter, baiff administrator, and it's over that. But Deb reminded me that we had made an amendment to that and changed it during the year. So it very well may be at 3% right on that new number. Yeah, they're recal. They're recalculating

right now. Well, actually, we don't have his on his 144. We don't have the You don't have the current salaries. You only have the This might be a revisit increases. Okay. Yeah. Well, then I support just leaving it as is until Judge Circus is pretty good with arithmetic. I'll bet it's correct. I did have a question. Oh, sorry. But mine is on the the 5,000 magistrate and 5,000 court commissioner. Aren't they the same? Yeah, that's an air. That was an air. We already off commissioner off. Which one? Court commissioners strike. Magistrate. Okay. Uh, so Gary O'Neal, is he in your budget? Drug court. Oh, drug court is a separate separate. It's separate. Okay. So, you're only employees in this budget, Patty, Sandra, Wana. And then I have the part-time people. Part time. Okay. I have a motion on this budget. I don't have their last year salaries. And that's okay. We're going to just make an assumption that the 3% is calculated off of the correct number because the rest we're not that far off anyway. All right. I make a motion to approve circuit court general uh 10001 budget with the exception that the court commissioner line of $5,000 is stried out and that they're going to check to make sure it's still 3%. Okay. Second. Uh can I after the second can I make have one more discussion item? We just asked DJ Davis if we could cut equipment maintenance and repair. Did I miss something or did u is that apply the same to I need to cut that as well? I didn't hear what you told Judge Davis. Well, we're just looking at small amounts this year. Just little things that aren't typically spent, even if it's $1,000 here and there.

Okay. Um so equipment, equipment, maintenance and repair, you had $3,300. Last year, you spent $252. Do you have an expected need for the really? I don't think so. Just so we can cut that a thousand. Would that suffice? I add I add to my motion that we also amend the equipment maintenance repair line from 3,300 to 1,000. Second or did somebody else already second? I think somebody already second. We have a motion that the court budget approved as presented with the um court commissioner removed dollars and the in favor I good all very much appreciate you. Okay, so we go back up to the top to get back in line here. Community Corrections would be next. Good morning. Okay. um under field officer $27,64 request uh the 3% of that of that should be 24,463. So when we calculated we actually um because I also want to remind you guys that our we have to write our grant. So all of our funding is grant funded um and project income. So, we have zero county general dollars, but we have to write our grant um prior to now. So, um I my grants were due I believe in April. So, we calculated salaries under 6%

because of a few different reasons. One, DOC, which is our grant funer, um we we were below where we should have been anyway. So, our program has changed drastically. Um, we have right now four MRT classes running. We have two more that are getting ready to start. Um, we went from running zero programs to now we have almost six getting ready. We have four right now, two more that we're adding. Um, along with our case management. So, DOC is has recommended that my case managers moving forward all have bachelor's degrees. So um in order to retain those staffs, we had to um make competitive salaries. So when I did my budget um and it has been approved, I got the approval back from DOC um that I was awarded my full grant. There were several entities that they got grant cuts um because they weren't meeting certain requirements. I did not get any cuts. So, my grant was approved, my grant budget was approved, and um I received the award letter back, which Deb has um I think you got it in the in an email maybe a week or two ago from DOC, but I have it right here as well. So, none of the there budget comes out of general fund. None of it, nothing. That's all grant. I support the idea of giving that have requirements put on them as far as the education status and that um I don't support the idea of giving raise um position that is funded by a grant because it's not fair to me that some offices do not have the ability to go above and beyond the three not have gr grants to pull from or they don't have secondary She could have came to us and asked about the 6%. We would have told

her, "No, we're looking three to five." Yeah. So, I I I have a problem with Yeah. because of the grants funding it. It's still tax dollars. Once the money gets into the county coffers, it's still tax dollars. So, um with that said, um and is this field officer is that the total pay for that field officer? You have you um have a sheet that has the total pay? Well, the answer is no. The total pay is 55,38. So what happens? You applied for this grant stating that these people would be paid the higher amount or that's not part of the grant. The So we have to include everything in the grant application. So we have to include like it's prop it's proposed so they know that we haven't we haven't received acceptance from from you. Um they they know that they know that the grant is um it has to be turned in before we ever see council. But what would happen if if councilman had a problem with doing more than 3%? Does that negate anything? I would have to just let DOC know that we we couldn't use as much of that grant for that reason because it wasn't approved by council. Same on the case manager was adopted at $15,92 and the request is $162,628 but if you calculate the 3% it should only be 109,079. That's a significant increase that how many people? So we have I can count them one. Six. There are six case managers.

Seven. Seven. Unknown case manager listed here. So that's because we have one who's retiring. So you want to hire a new case man? No, we don't. We have one. right now who's retiring October 10th and so I don't know who will replace her. Um but she's retiring before 2026 so I don't know who's going to be in that role. It's not a new position. Um yeah. Well, and I'm you know I don't know what what the future is going to look like as far as our case loads. I might not have to hire it right away. Um but it's built in the budget that I can if I need to. Um, I have the grant funds available. We recently added some additional classes and so that's taking away some of my case managers. They're spending time teaching classes. Um, so I have to adjust case loads accordingly so that no one is overwhelmed. If they're teaching, if I have someone that's teaching two classes, I would obviously want to cut back their case load and then give it to someone else. So, I just have to always uh look at case loads and and where people are. Another thing too is with the case managers um with case management being a requirement and because we've been meeting these requirements, that's why I didn't get any um funds cut from my grant request. Um but part of that requirement is that my case managers have to pass a test. So, it's a state test um that they have to to pass and that's something that they never had to do before. So, as my department has grown um in the last, you know, year and a half, there are a lot of requirements that they didn't have before. And that's true. All case managers. Yes. Office manager is more than 3% is just because all the others

every Yeah. across the board. Again, everyone's duties has shifted um as our department has grown and as we've made a lot of changes, um it's impacted everyone in our department. Uh what would happen? You know, I hate to tell somebody that's sourcing their funding outside of, you know, uh the local tax dollars to turn them down. What would happen, you know, if we said, "Okay, we accept this." And then next year they said, "Uh, funding's cut. We're cutting the grant." Could your other fund sustain the differential? Um, could it absorb? It could right now. Um, but I'm confident that that won't happen. I have I just had a meeting with DOC yesterday. They're very impressed with our program and the changes that we've made. Um, and so there's I don't foresee that happening. We've had this grant for a very long time. The only reason that they've made cuts to some people is just because they're not changing um with the requirements that they expect. And because we've done that, we've we're not having an issue. So, I I don't anticipate that happening, but yes, our project income um is also in in a good place. And on the bachelor's degree, you said, you know, that's coming up now. So, I'm sure you'll take that into consideration for new hires. Any new hire that I've hired, I've hired three new case managers and they all have bachelor's degrees. So, we have one, two, three, four, five case managers. We have six technically um because the Yeah, we have six. Um one of them is retiring October 10th. So whoever I fill that position will also that will be that's a requirement moving forward and has been.

Actually there's seven if you keep that one position available. Yeah. Well right now though that that role right now is filled by um Kelly Perry who was her role as deputy director and was before me but I'm not wanting to fill that as a deputy director. Um, I'm just wanting it to be a case manager. So, it would be it would be a lesser salary than what she's paid right now. The retiring person. Okay. Yeah. What's that approximate margin between what that position pays and a case manager? Um, about 15,000 roughly. I don't have the exact math right in front of me, but that's what it No, I was just looking for a ballpark. And does that mostly cover the difference uh between the standard 3% and the excess that the state is willing to give her for the case managers. um probably covers that plus some if she hires there just wasn't there's just not a need and that's what we were when when I was doing this budget when I was thinking about the future the deputy director position was a position that was there before me I didn't have a deputy director when I was in Wayne County when I came here I there's just not really a need I'm very active um with with my with my role um and so I a lot of those duties I've absorbed. And so, um, really we have more of a need

for case management, which is what I mean that what which is a lot of what Kelly's doing right now. And so, it just makes sense to make that position a case manager position once she retires. I'm going to make a suggestion. Um, and that's all it is. is just for discussion. Um on the case manager, um if we allocated an additional $1,000 per person because of the requirement of the degree, that would increase that 10592 to 11192 and then take that times 3%. So then the raise would be on top of the additional $1,000 that they would get for having to have that bachelor's degree. That would uh change that 160 the 115 259. Is that reasonable? Uh I'm I'm not sure I followed me. Well, she said there were six case managers and if we increased their pay by $1,000 to to recognize their requirement of a bachelor's degree and added it to the base of the 2025 adopted budget, that would total 11192 and then take that times the 3% raise. I guess I guess my only question is are you are you going to do that for any department that comes in and says I'm I'm now requiring a masters or I'm not requiring this. I'm doing it because the requirement is there. It's like in the assessor's office they have required certifications and there's a statute that says how much those are paid and for the different levels that they acquire. So the requirement of education and degrees I think should be recognized. But she's not doing that on her own accord. She's taking the state DOC recommendation. It's not like she just is. It's not like Deb saying I want a master's degree next time I replace, you know, she's following DOC state recommendation. I mean, that's who funds my department. Is it a recommendation or a directive? No, it's a I mean, we have it's a

directive. I mean, that's basically we had an assessment. That's that's why I'm asking public,000 enough. Is that a reasonable amount to bump or pay because of that requirement? That's fair. That's fair. And it cuts that that 162 down as well. Yeah, it would take it to 115 259 has an opinion. Uh that would be under case manager. What would what would that take that to? 115 215 115. That would give each of those people $1,000 to recognize the requirement of the bachelor's degree and then 3% on top of that. And you're just looking at that just for the case managers. Case manager line item uh 123000. That's the line I'm talking about. If you go down to the office manager and only give them the 3% that,194 should be 27,00 27295. Thank you. Um the field officer same thing uh 3% of the uh 3750 is 24473 part-time um jumped about $7,000 is part-time people. Yeah. I mean we've had one administrative staff and we we need more than one. I'll just leave that as is. That's my my take on some of those line items. Is there any lines that you want to cut, Kent? No. How much of this we used to get reimbursed? Yeah. Do we still get none of this counties is all? Yeah. This is

right. This So, we still get reimbursed. It's all fees. Yeah. Fees. Um, so when we talked about those numbers you just read, Mary, since these salaries are split, which fund did you say? Well, we're working on fund 1122. Yeah. Case manager is the case manager line item that um I'd made that suggestion. Okay. does that. So when we look at sorry I'm trying to keep up here so where she has provided the split on this page that shows half of most salaries coming from grant 9112 and half coming from 1122. [Music] Does does any cut make more sense to come from one versus the other? Can you even do that? Must it be divided equally? The bottom line for the grant is that I was awarded a set amount of dollars and I turned in the budget to reflect that amount of dollars that I was awarded which is 321,169. So that is my grant. That's the amount that I was awarded. Um I had to turn in a budget to match that exact amount and that is what I did. And my concern on the grant, if we're if they find out that we're doing less, then they may continue to give us less because they think, well, they don't need that. Yeah, that's why I'm saying I'm a little we won't use it all up. I I don't mind shifting that money to another line item if you see a need for repair. I'll come back to what my problem is is the offices that don't have the ability to go above 3% unless we take it out of the general fund. I

don't I don't like that there's offices that have uh grant money that they can splurge with more and that's my reasoning behind that. I understand. I also want to point out too though that we have worked very hard to be able to keep those grant funds. Um we've added a lot of job duties that we didn't have before um in order to keep those grant funds. So I wouldn't just um say that it's just money that's given to us. It's money that is earned because of the programming and the things that we're doing. Well, and and I I I'm having trouble keeping up on to the penny on the math, but um if we cut, you know, when I look at the actual amount of what's proposed, and again, this we're not funding this from general. depending on how much we try to ask her to reduce it. If we start looking at other people, you know, just like it came up earlier. Well, other people make this much. Are they going to be making less than even though we don't fund their budget? Looking at it from that that point of view. I'm not looking at comparing her to another office. I'm looking at the 3% as our recommendation. I agree. Period. This mean our recommendation is 3%. It's fairness. So unless you have a special reason why we need to give you a bigger amount than previous and we did recognize that with $1,000 for the bachelor's degree. Okay. I just I have a question regarding your deputy director that you've got that money. Were you moving it down to the case manager? Are you going to try to fill that position? That line would just be changed from deputy director to case manager when that time comes. You were shifting. So it's just a shift. Yeah. So, if you I just want to make sure that we didn't cut cut that case manager really low, then you're removing part of the pay for that deputy director that's been moved down. So, so back to my question, we don't

want to cut anything from the grant. It is all coming from 11:22 [Music] and everything stays the same in the grant line item. And then you're allowed to do that. If 1122 does not pay an exactly equal amount of these salaries as the grant, there's no problem with that. Correct. And I will say too, we've made other efforts. I mean, I um got rid of many vehicles. I know there was vehicle concerns. We're down to having our one vehicle that our field officer comes to the office, picks up, goes and does his work, brings it back to the office. Um, we have a tracking device on the vehicle just for protection of knowing where it's at. So, we've made those efforts. We've heard you um with those concerns. That's That was my question. The math doesn't add up on on 39600 and 44800. You you took the 30,000 out of the 44 line item I'm assuming is a capital or is a capital line item but you took the the 448 the 30,000 out of that and moved it to the 39600 but you only moved 10,000 and you used 17,000 in 2024 and now you're going to have 10,000 in there. So you you've reduced down to one vehicle. Is that why you're doing that? Correct. We have two vehicles. One of them is only used for when we are doing trainings. So if we have trainings, I'm not going to ask staff to take personal vehicles. They can take that vehicle. The other vehicle is used on a daily basis um with our field officer. Thank you. Do I have a motion? Does anybody motion? I'll make a motion. You want to make a motion? Well, I think so. Uh 11:22 would be as uh written with the

exception of what the field officer would go to 24462 463. Okay. I get that talk. Um case manager would go to 115295. No. No. That's how Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You're right. You're right. Yes. How does that add up? It is the $105,92,000 to that. Give them all a raise of their degree. And then after that was totaled, it was 111,92. Take that time all raise. And that's how you come back to 1152. 59 59 and the office manager would go to 27295. Yes. And I think that's it. No. Second. All in favor? I I opposed. I'm gonna say no. Motion passes six to one. There another fund and fund 9122 would um go as written. Second. 9122 has case managers there as well. So, um,

those have no increase at all. That's just a split of the different case managers paid out of two different funds. Yeah. So, all of my staff are paid out of two different funds. They're paid partially out of the grant, partially out of my project income. So recognizing that additional for their bachelor's degree, but we approved it in fund 1122 is not going to be a problem as to where you want it to go. Is that true, Deb? If I'm reading this correctly, you made all the changes to the the grant fund. So you wouldn't probably want to make changes a project income. You probably wouldn't want to make any changes here. Okay. I have to look at the 144. Yeah, because I got that from But you didn't increase anything from 2025, did you? On the on this 9122. No, on the grant. No, because the grant we were actually awarded the same amount last year. That would mean the other one needs to go up more than 3%. Or all the changes. The grant needs to go up. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like to cut from 162,000 to 115,000 across six people. That's why the fund but the other fund is not being changed at all. So you'd have to Right. But you need to double if you're putting 3% on 105. Half their salary is paid from the grant and we're not applying 3% to that. Gotcha. So we're only applying 3% to half of their salary. That's why I voted no because I can't make sense of how you get from 162 to 115. Can we add 3% to this the uh case manager line in the grant or are you at the max? Well, I if I did, I can. I just would have to rework other things. So, I would have to shift things from the grant to Okay. project income. I mean, or her fee account can just absorb the full 3% raise so that she doesn't have

to go back to DOC, which it can. And I would prefer if that's what's happening. So maybe we need 6% then 1122 and increase the increase from 3% to 6%. Yeah, because you basically just cut them to a 1 and a.5% raise on their total salaries which is half. Oh, I got I can't I couldn't remember. Okay, so let's go back to have her rework that and put her also on the August budget and come back with the That would be fine. Do you guys want to ask her to come back the first week of August? with new numbers or do you want to go ahead and vote on it? It's up to you. I would rather we can do it. Okay. So, let's get that number modified. Would you uh Mary go back to uh uh fund 1122? You did the calculation for case manager member. You now rather than adding 3% add 6%. And come up with that number please. out. Look at that. Yeah, I do. I I wish I didn't worse, not better is um it's government. Okay, I know it does. 118,616 11 18,616. That doesn't sound quite right. No, I did it twice, but that's what this thing said. Did you add the 6,000 in? I took 6,000 plus the 10592, which makes 111,92* 1.06 to 1186.

Can we Can we look at it? Oh, there was it doesn't say 2025 on the summary sheet on the summary. So, you've got to add these two 144s. That's accurate. I'd like to modify my motion on 11:22 or make a new motion. Make a new motion on 11:22 to make the case manager line 118616. Have a second. I'll second that. I opposed and not make any changes on that case. [Applause] I move we accept 9122 is presented. Second. All in favor? I I motion carries. I think that's it. Thank you. Did you have any CCD? No. Thank you. Thank you, dear on the schedule. Um Not great. Warner is Yes. An hour behind. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] Um, what do you got for me? We can kind of jump and get our revisions.

Oh, good. Nothing wrong with that. Yes, we did have a a decrease of $1,000 from last year's budget. We've kept the um payroll in the same amount. And um we also went to a community um computer software program that was issued by the state instead of a um purchased program for our um cases. Basically the main revision from our original submitted entry level position [Applause] deal which overall is just okay. So overall you're trying to go from some part-time to a full-time person. Correct? Savings. anyone in the office. Yeah, I know. But I mean, just bottom line, that's what you're Okay, [Music] I'm confused. So, the cost that don't show up in here are the fixed costs of an employee. Uh, yeah. So, we're still talking about a brand new position that doesn't exist. Is that what we're saying? Correct. Yeah, they're still there. Include benefits and correct deputy from the deputy 43 and 48. That's other salaried employee would be I'm going to follow my apparently right here and right here. Take the deputy and the other salaried employees and add

those two together and then take that times 3% back on back in. Either way, both slightly overstated. What do you No, I take that back. The deputy is understated and then the salary is overstated. So, um, change those or I think they're close enough that we could leave them at is so last year deputy line. Basically, what we did to fund the salary for this new position is we So really for this new position, the only additional ask is for the benefits which is in the commission. So the salary is included in what you already had. Is that deputy a full-time person? Did the commissioners vote on a recommendation for another full-time employee? I thought the deputies were on call. Yeah. They're not full-time position. No. So our so there's no benefits just currently so the deputy is a full-time person is a new person they're trying to add a brand new employees oh I knew that but just the same amount of salary we're basically decreasing the amount of part-time hours and we're making that full-time position so they can be here Monday through Friday when a majority of a lot of our services and um procedures will take place. Yeah, the the money really for the salary of the person is already there, but it's the increased cost of a benefit full-time person that doesn't show up. That's what we're talking about.

Versus versus if we had somebody not instead of 35 hours have 28 hours, maybe you made them a part-time person. Yeah. Right. Still paid them well. Yeah. Right. Just won't have the benefits. Yeah. Right. I'm I'm I'm very much opposed to adding another position with new benefits given the cuts we're trying to make and how much we still have to go. I mean, that's another 35,000 plus dollars. That's And the commissioners, did they vote to recommend this? I would have to go back and look in the minutes. Part of me thinks, pardon, I think. Did you say yes? There was at our joint at the joint commissioner and council meeting. It was a and it's in my mind it's probably a a good thing to do but maybe next year not I mean we're trying not to add any more full-time people that take all the I do like having somebody there full-time because you know it everybody else works and so you have to call them and they have to undo themselves from work and so forth. Okay. that your loved one, you you want them dealt with. You don't want them to have to take longer than what's needed. So, I do like that position. I don't know if this is the right time, but I do like having the office somebody in at full time. I see that, too. But you could make this instead of being five days a week, they do four days a week. Yeah. Or you could have somebody that works 8 to noon and somebody that works noon to 4 or the corner could be there, you know, one day. Yeah. So I mean I would say that would be my I mean you could do something like that and then the next year say oh well this is this doesn't work. We need to change it to this and then we we have a bigger picture. I I can I certainly understand that I have a designated day that I'm at the office. So I mean that's I mean we are a growing office and we're just trying to do the right thing for us and the and the county. But um we can

certainly work with things like that. And so are we in agreement to recommend the sheet that they sent out or I I should have printed off because if so, we need to change the numbers on our line items here. Nope. Well, I guess I'm going to recommend that we u make the change that they're talking about not in 26, but look in No, no, it'd be in 27 and we increase the uh deputy line item by 3%. So, if we did part time, we would need to just delete that other salaried employee line deputy line would 98 actually is a 6%. I should have printed out more of those. This is part-time option. I can make copies and have you look at it. So, the deputy line could go to what? You're going to take that 48,000, put it back into the deputy line, but it's going to be for a total. We can't do that. If we're going to pay one person that's a part-time employee, I have to be a part-time line item. There does. Okay. And it and then uh dollar amount plugged into that. And then you're establish that uh part-time person at what $5 an hour or is that what you're It looked like he was going to do 27 the deputy line item right now. That's under the other. Yeah, that's why I was already part time and just change the deputy to part-time and uh equate it to a 25 per hour day and then what is what you is that what it pays now? And well that's what he's got on his sheet here. But that deputy line has always

encompassed a lot of deputies. Correct. Yes. There's well it doesn't matter. I mean $25 an hour for it's going to be it's part time right now. Yeah. So if you take $25 an hour and then you only work. But he's saying the line item could be 98,310. No, because we can't lump some salaried employees. They're not. They're all parttime. They're all part Everybody's part time. Well, then we need to change verbage. The verbiage. Yeah. Salaried employees makes it sound like they're So you delete that. Yeah. I think everybody just be under part time. That's what this is right here. Make a copy so you can see. So I would move that we approve the corner's budget with the change to deputy line 298,310 and the removal of the 67 and the removal of the going with this plan that I have here and I apologize it's not in front this actually reduces our budget by about 12,000 right Alex now this isn't you don't you get paid per call is that All right. Or no. So our so our part-time deputies that work at the evenings and on the week right now no one is paid per hour except for myself. And what do they get paid per call? 185 per call. 185 per call. Yeah. And that's no matter how many hours it takes. Yeah. How long it takes them. And that's why we keep it the deputy line the way that you All for the question. Well, what are you going to do about the rest of the rest? That's just that that's just for the personnel. What are you going to do about the rest of the budget? Let's get the personnel figured out before we try to jump around too much. I'd take the 12,000 be happy

is going to get rolled line item of $1,6. No, he's saying 98310. Oh, well, let's go with that. That's 98310. 98310. I got you there. Why did you reduce the I want to mortgage. We've decreased it by what we're doing right now. So right now we're projected at 45. So we we was told to drop different things. So we dropped five autopsies. Um that that still could be over, but right now um for the first part of this year it was at 21. So we was projecting around 45. What was the total for the deputy? Well, it was 98 originally was 115, but now he's saying it's 103 98310. Okay, I think I got it. And when we look across the rest of the budget and compare the 24 spend to this request like we have with everyone else any does anything? I think just he the paper he gave us I think we should make all the changes because everybody the autopsy thing probably should stay as is. We need to cut that because I think I'd leave it at 115. Okay. So, office supplies to 2500. Yep. And coroner scene supplies 2500. 2500. You may put like 500 bucks for computer software just in case. Yeah, that's a good idea. 500 just in case. Keep uniforms the same. I would probably leave autopsy at 115. Yeah. Yeah, I would too

because because I mean I don't want them keep coming back because they you never know. And if they save money there, then they save money there. And you know, I would even even though they they put they could take 2,000 on training. If we're asking them to seek out multiple part-time people that might need trained versus one person that needs trained, I would leave that at 3,000. Can I can I share this with you just so I can make sure you guys are clear too? So meeting on April, we did the commissioners recommendation council to create a full-time position. So we didn't create it. We just recommended it. Recommended it. Yeah. Yeah. And we can revisit that next year. Yeah. So, uh Jim made a motion that never got a second. Um, there was a lot more discussion. Shall we start with a new motion? Start with a new motion. Will you make Will you revise your motion? Go ahead. I I'll make a new motion since Jim's died in conversation for lack of a second. Uh, to approve the corner's budget as presented with the following modifications. Revision to deputy line item uh to 98,310. Removal of other salaried employee of 67,000. Revising office supplies to 2500. Revising core nursing autopsy supplies to 2500. Revising fuel to 2500. Revising computer software to 500. I'd just like to add that to 98,310 add deputy but it needs say part-time beside it. So that's a little more clear for us even when we're looking know that that's part-time people. Okay, understood. Second the motion made by Miss Budro. Did you go on to toxicology and all I don't think we decided to change any of that. All in favor? I

motion carries. Okay. So, Mary, do we need to submit a new 144? Yes. Scott asked that we leave that the same and also asked that we leave training because we're asking to hire more than one time person. looks like were um casa. They did. They did spend over. Maybe they were down. Maybe. Maybe. Somebody offers advice. probably caught the drift if you're sitting out there while we've been doing this that we're looking at u line items that could show a slight reduction based on usage from the prior year. Do you have any suggestions to that? I don't really have any um that we aren't using. So, I don't have any that I think that we're able to cut. This is just talking about the general fund right now. Correct. We pretty much use the money that we get. have a motion for the general the can you do anything in the meeting and travel the part-time part on CASA you don't really yeah so that's the that's the biggest increase that I'm asking for she's asking for a 23% increase for part-time budget I yeah and what will happen who's doing what with that so that's a social media and marketing manager um she is a vital position that we have because she plays the the biggest role in um volunteer recruitment and retention and we serve the children with the volunteers. Um she has a bachelor's degree in marketing and when we started our our department in 2020, we were really small and we've grown a lot in the five years. Um and she has just played a huge role in that. Um, and

I'm just trying to prevent any um, chance of her not wanting to stay in that role because it just plays a big part in our volunteers and we're the fastest growing county in the state and the amount of children that we're serving has been exponentially higher and that's going to continue. But is that so you have a full-time person that does that and it will remain one full-time person? She's part-time. She just I'm not asking for it to be full time. I'm asking for the the wage to be higher and to continue to be um part-time so that there's no benefits. What was she making an hour currently? Is it 1870? This would and I'm asking her to be 237 to 23. So it's more than a 3% increase. Yeah, we've been real sticklers today about the 3% increase on salaries. I've heard that. She's worth that and more. And I don't but everybody would argue that every department accessory come in auditor my people worth this I deserve more. What is makes this what pushes this over that says we've got to do it. That's the you need training that this person singles them out. She has a bachelor's. Um there isn't there isn't training required for her position that's any different than the rest of our positions. The five of us have all had the same training. Um, and we have continuing education and ongoing training, but there is room within like if we increased the budget line item by 3%. That doesn't say that she can't work her less hours and pay her more per hour with that budget. Yep. So you could pay her more per hour if she's worth more per hour, but you'd just get less hours out of her and then we'd still be within our 3% um 290. She's at 29 hours right now.

29. Did you get any of the Did the state cut grants this year? They have some of the funding has been cut. Yes. Okay. What What about other parts of her budget? Um she said there's nothing she could cut. Well, why would mileage double? We d because that's how much we were driving. We were moving money into that line previously. So, we got that approved last year. Um and went from It's not doubling this year. It doubled last year. Doubled last year. Yeah. Because we're using that much. We're spending that much. I mean, our kids are all over the place. That's the only reimbursement we have for volunteers is mileage. And then meeting in travel tripled more than tripled [Applause] according to Florida. I don't know. I I'm just was trying to I was just trying to find other money in the thing to which one did you say tripled? Well, it was 2024 was $800. Now it's 3,000. meeting and travel. And I was just trying to find money in other parts of the budget to supplement what she's talking about up there. Yeah. And that's why I asked about the grants, too, because I know so the program coordinator, is that getting paid out of grant? Yes. Money? Because it says you used budgeted a,000 LA in 2024, you used $799, and now it's 3,000. [Applause] Are you Well, I was saying if even if you took a thousand out of it, it would help with the other part of that increase. Or is there any any increase you can

can you could you give her the standard 3% out of the county budget and is there any you could pull out of the grant state the state fund? Yeah, we've never done that before. I could to offset that. We used to cuz I know I hate to state funding and grants aren't always sustainable. They're not always given. They're not always guaranteed, especially right now. Especially right now, publication, but I think the concern is if we're looking at giving someone a 23% and I know the program needs it, love it. Um, but if we could stick with the 3% out of the county and then look at the state, the 1213 fund. Yeah. for that money to come from there thoughts up here. I'm fine with whatever seems to have on a couple of lines that he wants to reduce, but I like your idea of supplementing that salary through the grant if there's monies that she can use to do that. So, that'll take care of that. Only only reason I don't like suggesting that is because they're not like when Morgan was up here. Grants aren't always guaranteed. Even though Morgan had gotten hers for the last 3 years, they're not guaranteed and they're not sustainable. They're, you know, I mean, I'm I like you had said about the u the meeting travel and lodging. I mean, I'm happy to take that back down to a thousand and can I put that 2,000 towards the That's what I was talking about doing something like that. But that towards a thing. Um even you know your office

supplies come down a little bit. They're they're up $2,000 from the from the last year spend unless you got unless you know of something that's causing you more. Um and then I I we're not seeing anything for training. Um it was a couple thousand dollars, but I'm not seeing any spend at all. Did you not do it? We aren't spending it because I'm doing the training. Okay. So, I mean, even if you took a thousand there, next thing you know, you got 3500. You know, you got more money. Um that um you know, would be better spent probably up in the part-time and then you wouldn't have big increase or wouldn't have the as much increase on the total budget. That's That's my suggestion. So I I agree. Why don't you put that in a motion? Yeah. Uh real quick, the 1213 fund Yep. I assume has specific allowable uses, right? So we started talking about when you start saying, well, we could cut training. Oh, you're you're saying that you can't go from one fund to the other, right? We can't cut money in training and put it over here in general for part-time help. So these two pieces are separate. So we're staying one thing. They are right now all I'm doing is asking for a motion. So, but her her part time was line item in the was 28207, right? And um already paying for Okay, so that's a,000. Um, and then if you took if if you um if you took 2,000 out of meeting and travel um and added up to that gets her to 31 32,000

uh is that something's acceptable in part-time 32,000 and then um let her deal with how she how she raises and how she um works how many and stuff like that. As long as it doesn't go over 29, we're okay. You're saying reduce meeting, travel, and lodging the general fund to a,000 from 3,000, right? Change the part time line and change the part timeline to 32,000 instead of 34,600. Make that your motion. And as presented the 32,000 even instead of 34. And then did you say something about printing and publication or mileage? None of that. I think the rest of it as presented. Okay. Okay. Can you put in a motion? That's my motion. uh passing the um CASA uh general fund uh except for uh line 12100 part-time taking it down to 32,000 from 34684 and also taking um the uh line item 392000 the meeting and lodging down 2,000 to to read $1,000. We have a second. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. So now we'll move on to fund 1213. Yep. They say exactly the same. Yep. I move we approve as written. Second. All in favor? I Thank you guys. Thank you. And before we go any further, and I know we are behind a little bit, um, what do you want me to do about lunch? Time to get it ordered and either picked up or delivered. I say we bring it in. I just say bring something in.

Fletime. No. So we're breaking budget cut allow for that. I vote no on that lunch break from 12 to 115 lobster from the like the 1800s when you prison food. If you're going to get lobster, we'll get you croads from Sugar Creek. There you go. There you go. Bruce Chris. Maybe we could just got a food truck along with Margarita. Yeah, margarita machine. Okay. Does anybody have a problem with I know we eat Subway a lot but it's easy. They have a tray. It's called uh 30 30 and they take a sub and cut it into thirds and there's 30 pieces in there. Okay. And then everybody can just grab one and eat along the way. Is that okay? That's fine. We're going to take our lunch breaks because we have some stuff we've got to do from 12:00 to 1:15. Okay. Is there anybody that knows anybody that can go pick this up for us? Well, if they take a lunch break, don't we need them here to keep the minutes? We can't. It's there's a scheduled lunch break. Oh, we can do things without them. Get out. Move our legs. We can't walk down to Italy anymore. It's gone. That's what we used to do. Next year. Smashburgers. Oh, Smashburgers. True. Don't forget Greg. Put him in a fork for Oh, I didn't. I was just going to ask for his credit. A fork for him. We'll send Greg to go get it. Yeah. Um, so I mean because we need them here for I know if we can't vote through things for a lunch break with Mary and Deb both gone. I mean they're going to miss it all then. All right, then we're just going to get recorded. You said they have to take a lunch. Okay, we're going to move on. It gets recorded drug court and we'll discuss. What did you decide? Nothing. I think some people are just have to leave till doing drug court. We're so far. We're trying to go eat, guys. I guess not you. Oh yeah, it's still good morning. Um,

in listening to what everyone has to say, I will go ahead and reduce what I've submitted on a couple of line items. Um, I had increased meeting and travel by 1500 due to increased travel costs. I can bring that back down to 5,000 as I do use the 5,000. We have two one state conference and then one national conference that we go to and that's you were attended by um myself field officer and my um drug court navigator um the drug court coordinator and the field office calculated above% should have just been 3% because that both of our salaries together were $118,06 times 3% % is 3540. Same thing that it was over. Yeah. Did you guys have a midyear increase? The field officer got an increase in December of 5,000, remember? Yes. Yeah. Because it was a whole ordeal about he'd had a take-home vehicle that he was told to quit driving. So, that's just the field officer is actually at 58063 [Music] adding $5,000. He is. He was at 53063 in 2025. Then they gave him a $5,000 raise. December of 2024. He got increase to He got the whole year, which is what you have on the 144. I was just going by. He was at 50. Yes. 53 is what was approved at the beginning. And then at the joint meeting in December, he received a $5,000 increase which brought him up to 58. Even would that be reflected on 63?

Yeah. Times 1.09. We'd already adopted it, right? 59. So it wouldn't have been reflected in the correct. It would not be reflected in the budget. That's where the the difference is because the reports I printed out showed a different amount. Then I'm going to suggest that we uh reduce the coordinator to $61,741 and officer. Uh we recognize that there's an additional $5,000 in his salary is 58 actually a little bit more. Well, he doesn't remember the department has divided up. Everybody doesn't get a flat 3%. So what's been presented here is a little less than 3%. Yeah, he was going to be getting he just got a $5,000 raise six months ago and the presented budget for him is 559104. Wasn't that $5,000 an agreement that the commissioners made with him about the removal of the vehicle? And it was about the vehicle because long before us as commissioners, somebody forgot to tell somebody. Not in your compensation package. never was in the compensation package, but people thought it was in the compensation package. So, the right thing to do since it was one person and no one else were ever going to do this for was we asked for $5,000 to supplement that supplement the car the compensation of taking away that salary is 58063 the 3% rate 59805 which is a little high what was requested but u and what was the number you gave on the one above that

6147 excuse 741. So if you add those up though, we didn't tell department heads that they have to give exactly 3% to each person. We have two employees here. So they might not both get exactly 3%. It doesn't matter. It does matter. Well, but you got remember it's you got to take 3% of the 53, not the 58. I think you're making that mistake, Keely. The numbers the numbers aren't correct. Yes. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying when you're coming up with the 3% and saying that's what these two people are getting hardcore. If a judge wanted to give her more and give Gary O'Neal less because he just got $5,000, who are we to say that Beth has to give up her extra half a percent and give it to Gary O'Neal? That's what I'm trying to say. Not raise her sovereignty within 3%. The judge judge is her boss. Judge, correct? Judge is the judge had us split the 3% based on the 118. This was all in judge's budget and just came out into its own budget. Judge sir, what's this number here? I have no idea. What's this number here? That's both of these, right? So, if you add that that together, then that's the number we approve total. True. Okay. True. But there it's not listed that way. It's listed as line items as a salary amount that can be split up regardless how you want it. It's listed as definitions with titles attached to them. But but let's let's figure out here. Okay. So if we take the 58063 and we add the 59943 from last year's budget because that was your salary at the end of the year. Correct. The 599 Yes. 59943 times 3% 121,54618. So that's what they have to work with. And whether or not Gary or Beth ends up one with 2% and one with 4% or however it pencils out, it just needs to be 121

54618 between the two of them. Except for you're you're adding five You're adding 3% to the five grand stipen for the car. You can't It's not a five grand stipen. The salary was amended. We amended the salary. We amended his salary. We pay bike on it. We pay perf on it. We amended his salary. It's not a stipen. Yeah. Yeah. We raised his salary. We raised his salary. So now it's part of his salary. I voted no on that. But that's where we are today. You said 121,000 something plus the 19 we want which is 14. She is not really which is back to the number that's on there. No judges. I just don't that we as a whole. We don't do that. It's within 82 cents of 3%. What they've asked for is within 82 cents. I had to drop in a dollar. She has a company, too. Drop it. Department heads that we Did we make judge We made judge Marshall drop it $2. We have a company. We approve the drug court uh as written with the 5,000 reduced meeting. I've got a question though on the vehicle that she has. How is that meeting travel and lodging reduced? It is not a part of her compensation. It's not if it were part of her comp compensation then the county and she would have to pay French benefit. We got a motion down here. So that is that is something that the commissioners of it's just it's it's for that job. It's not for the employ when some Oh, so it's parked. It's not took it. It's not a take home. So it's not a take home. I thought it was a take home. Oh no, no, no. We changed that. A lot of And most of the departments have changed that. Yeah. Yeah. That was my change that. Yeah. So, this is the way it's presented is a 3% increase between the two of them. It is you subtract a dollar. It's it's 82 cents off if somebody wants to about that. And Marshall, they did the judge Marshall. And it it does make sense to me that

Judge Circ would want to give more to one person who didn't just get a $5,000 raise six months ago. U Jim has a motion on the floor. I'm not sure if anybody heard it. Would you like to reiterate it with the meeting? Oh, yeah. Uh I I move we approve the drug court um uh as uh written with the exception of meeting travel and lodging would be 5,000. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. I had two more funds. But the good thing about this is um 251 which is the drug court fund is all user fees. Um and we just per office of court services we have to um establish a bud budget 40% of that amount. Um so that's what I've done. And flares. Yeah. Flares. That's I don't know why it's called flare. I don't I I have no idea why that's that that's coming just across the board. So this isn't general fund. So this is not a general fund. I move we accept 251 as presented. Second. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Fund 88.91 is a grant. Um, so that's So why is the part-time field officer going up 10% there? Well, that is that is just a that's a grant. We don't even have a part-time field officer at this point. We have not hired that person. We just have to create a line item. We approve 88 8.91 as presented. All in favor? I thank you very much. Second want to report update on BJA grants. The feds still have not released funds for that grant, but it is sitting on my desk ready to be submitted as soon as they open it up for me to submit. So, just to let you guys know. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh it's either tackle 911. I'd like it's behavioral health court. Well, behavior health court. Oh, I'm very missed. On the behavioral health court one, they have a part-time field officer. They're increasing 57%. Yeah, that's a question. So, um with the part-time field officer, we discussed it last year as well because we requested for a grant for um and that was denied. It didn't go through. And so, um, then we put it on the 144 form to request for a full-time position, and we knew that that wasn't going to happen this year. And so, then we just asked for basically more hours for a current field officer or another part-time position. What's your hourly rate for that part time? Um, right now he's getting paid 26. Mhm. And And if you give that person more hours, is that going to make them a full-time employee? Right now, he's between 24 and 25 hours a week. So, we could really just only bump him up what, five hours a week, and that's not really beneficial. So, it would be another part-time position. Yeah. And what we would utilize that for would be um for field work, of course, and then beefing up the community service and the restorative justice practices for behavioral health court and opening that up to probation and problem solving court and community corrections as well because I think every program requests um some community service hours. That part time line item is actually for the person there and an additional um well the 35 from last year covers his current position. You know what I'm saying? The 20,000 would just basically be you know the new position. So did the commissioners approve a new position here? It's part-time. They don't have to. So it's our choice if we want under the We just want to raise the part time and she can do what she You do what you want, but we just these people are in. So, this would be one place we could

make a cut to get some if there's no other place she has cuts in. Well, yeah. They'd just be visiting the people less, right? They would be checking in less with the pe the participants. Is that right? Yeah. And how many participants do So, we're at 25 right now. We were at 34 at the beginning of the year and we've graduated several. So, so that's exciting for us. But, um, yeah. So, it would be seeing them less and and um best practices that you see them more frequently in order to help them stay in recovery and make sure that they are going to their meetings and doing the things that they're going to do or supposed to be doing, checking at work, seeing if they're at work, those kinds of things. Just help them stay on the right track. So, how many of your people are they going to out of the county to um right now? I should have looked at that, but right now I think we only have like three or four that are outside of the county. Most of our people are inside the county. Yeah, their court's done better than drug court. Yeah, cuz I don't love spending taxpayer dollars to send people outside the county to Yeah, they they've done Judge Davis has done a good job keeping almost everybody in the county. There's been a few out. Two, three, four. So far this year, how much meeting and travel have you used? Because right now 7,000 is the biggest we've seen for just meeting and travel. Um that's cuz they go all over the country for their the meeting and travel. Um they go to California. I cut it from last year if you saw that. K. I cut it down from last year. We went to California in in uh 2024. That's why I was asking cuz my Florida zero and so what did you use because it this came out of DJ's budget. This one used to be a DJ's budget and they moved and behavioral health court became our own thing. So, okay, it's only the second year that we've had a budget. All right. Going to California, is there not anything in state? It's a national conference. It's the same conference that Beth referenced

earlier. It's a national conference. It's in a DCP um or all rise. It's the problem solving court grant or problem solving court conference. And so, it's just the national one. There's not like local ones to my knowledge. And so that's why this year we can cut some out of that K because this year or in 2026 we're going to Tennessee. And so that's why I cut a portion of that. Um we did just get a grant awarded. I don't know exactly how much and what they're going to detail it in, but we got a grant for 135 and I think a portion of that will cover our travel and training as well. And so we could definitely cut that back a little bit. Make a cut. We'll make it to 5,000. Okay. 5,000 on meeting travel and lodging, the dues and subscriptions. I I already put a note on here from when I was sitting out there listening to you all. Um that's something that I haven't utilized um before and so I put that I could cut it to a thousand just because I haven't seen a need for it yet, but we could bump that down to 15 like I don't know and office is office supplies using 20. It says uh you going from a,000 to 2500 this year. Um because before we were coming I was robbing Judge Davis's supply closet. Okay. So we need to cut his budget on that. And so I know when we first ca became our own budget last year, he he cut his a little bit and gave us some you know what I'm saying for that. But yeah, I mean we've been using I mean we have our own printer now which we didn't have. So we were kind of using probations paper at that time. So now we're like doing our own thing like becoming a real department. And on the drug screens, how often are you screening participants? We are screening participants um at the minimum of most of our participants two times a week. Okay. So you got 25 people, 52 weeks a year, twice a week, 2600. How much does it cost per group?

So it depends on what we do. If we do just a regular instant, it's it costs us $9.50 for an instant screen. It costs if we do a confirmation, it can cost $15 if it's negative, 35 if it's positive. You could you could get rid you could cut the part. So that that's like a huge part of our budget is that drug screening. I do drug screens. Yeah. Trying to do the math on that key. So 25 people twice a week for 52 weeks is 2600 drug tests. Does that sound right? Sounds here. Yeah. And then let's just say at $15 something in the middle that would be $39,000. So that's not right. They're not charging that much. Yeah. So a couple bucks. So at the nine, so 2600 at at 10 bucks is 26,000. Yeah. It's like four or five bucks.$4. Three or four dollars. at cost at as at cost. It costs us like for forensic fluids. That's that our company. It's an instant swab. That's it's 950. It's $9.50 per test. Which would mean 9,000 isn't near enough to Well, they're not testing. It's random testing. They're not testing them every random. We're testing them twice a week. Random. Random. Randomly. Random. So twice a week that means Oh, not every participant twice a week. Every participant twice a week. I was having trouble making that math make sense. That's fine. Yeah. So it is every participant twice a week. Oh, it is. It's random Monday through Friday. That's the random part. That's why you take your drugs Friday night. It's random Monday through Friday. But yeah, that's why you take your drugs Friday night. So how does that's why we need the field officer position so we can be active on

Saturdays and Sundays and holidays to the first page yet? No, we're still on first page. Mary, we're going to finish the first page. What do you think about instead of 55,000, just make it 45,000? Yeah. Okay. What did you say, Jim? I think Jim's ready to make a motion. Motion. I'll I'll I'll move that we accept the behavioral health court uh budget as written except the part-time field officer would become 45,000 and okay and dues and subscriptions would be a th000 and meeting travel and lodging would be five Five five 5,000. I'll second that. First and second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Now on to fund 25509. 25509 is our user fund fees. So you added a drug court participation participant incentive. Yes. That's a new thing you added. Okay. Um that was coming. Oh, it was what was the amount in 24,000. That was like they expended 975. So they're tripling it. Was it? Yeah, it was a,000. But this is user fees. If they don't have the money in the user fees, it doesn't use it. Well, right. Okay. I I think these fees are coming from the probation department. These fees are coming from our participants in behavioral health court. So, and we're subsidizing them. Yeah. from the from food and beverage. What I what I don't like let me tell you is we're putting all of our training

costs to travel nationwide in the county general and we have a training budget from your user fees we don't use and then give the money back to the participants and incentives. It really seems more fair that some of those user fees should be covering some of these training costs rather than the taxpayers. And much of that's sub subsidized also by the um grants that we get for training. That money goes into 25. No, what I mean is like it doesn't all come out of the county general for travel. Most of it comes out. We try to use the grant money first before they have a huge amount for travel also in their next fund you're going to do. They take a lot of people. I mean they spend a lot of money on travel. This is this is an issue. Yeah. This is why we need it in Indiana. You know, I would almost go all the way to all travel has to be covered by user fees. And you know, I don't want to not train people, right? I don't want people to not have adequate training. You don't have to go every year. You go every other year. Give back the user fees to the users and then taxpayers pay for the travel. That doesn't make sense. The incentives is for like staying sober and making progress. And so it's an important part. But well, how would you feel about this? Why don't we take all the meeting tra? We reduce the meeting travel and lodging in general from 7 to 5, but you have 10,000 for it in your problem solving grant. Is that a grant you're saying you did or did not get? We got we received 135. That's what was awarded to us. I have not seen the breakdown and what they're saying that we can use. And so the user fee fund like if it's there we we use it. If it's not there we don't use it, right? So if we don't have that much money in there. Um, and there's more incentives in so I guess I just don't really like that

there's a lot of user incentives built in to the non-ax you know to the user fees but then the taxpayers are bearing the expense of the meeting and travel and it's in multiple like Scott said it's in three different budgets here meeting and travel. So, what do you guys suggest? I like the idea of moving all of the meeting travel and lodging expenses into the grant. Uh, you might leave it would it would be revising that first motion general fund and reducing that down to $1,000 and maybe that just for meetings which would be more local and travel and lodging could come out of the uh going to Right. Auditor has a question that and I don't know exactly what it's going to be. A lot of us says that the council has to um provide money in the general fund for us to go to continuing. I don't know if it's the same for the state. So you might have to leave just a little bit in there if there's a statute that's that like that for your guys' branch of county government. I don't know. Yeah, I would have to look and see. Isn't there a fund that picks up travel? There's a nonappropriated fund. Yeah. So, I'm just thinking if you go to a conference a year and $1,000 ahead and you're sending eight people, which I mean, I don't even know why we'd be sending that many, you could send a few and they report back the key elements they learned. I You're talking about $8,000 total, $1,000 ahead on eight people. We've got even after reducing that one five 10 19,000 across the three.

So you want to cut the general fund down to a th00and and then um others. Okay. And that's still uh that's still $15,000 training budget across three funds if you think that that's necessary. So I think um on when we look at the problem solving grant fund 8885 for meeting travel and lodging that was our proposed from last year and that's not what we received from last year. So oh it's the 10. Never mind. I'm following you. So the problem solving grant you you got 13,000 last year. This budget is for 37,000. If you were to get 13,000 again, what will you use that for in this budget? So that's the thing. Um, and I I guess it was my error in not like updating this because you see the difference between the f I thought that the adjustments had been made because I came back after we were awarded the grant and made the changes. You know what I'm saying? And had it appropriated differently and I did not look at this as closely as I should have, I guess, cuz I thought those totals were reflected in what it was last year. Right. So, we got 13,000 last year, too. 13 I think 139 last year. And so, um, so I don't know exactly what the breakdown's going to be because they kind of tell us how we use we can use our grant. So, I can't tell you if if, um, they come back and say, "You have $5,000 for meeting, travel, and and um, classes or training, then we will be in a situation where we won't be able to if we cut it out all out of the county general." Yeah. Yeah. I'm leerary about voting on fund 885 because this is a budget three

times what they were awarded last year. So I don't know. You want me to rework it and come back? Yeah. But 885 is the grant. If they don't get the granted then the budget doesn't we don't supplement it with anything else. And and that's fine. That's fine. But they don't get it. you know, should we vote yes on something that says three times what they got awarded last year or should we try to minimize it knowing that it's unlikely it'll triple this year? What if you made the motion that they adjust the 37500 to the grant amount as rewarded which was 13,900? That correct? Do you know what you're going to get next year? Yeah, that's the 135. Okay. Oh, that is for 2026. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Not the move it down to that. Okay. Reduce the budget to that. Yes. And not and don't tell them by line how they have to just Well, it's it's been approved by the state. So that you would use whatever it was. Okay. And then going back to user fees, uh if we reduce your meeting, travel and lodging in general fund, then you will make sure from your user fees that you cover those necessary expenses before you uh do too many participant incentives, I assume. Can you say that again? or if we reduce your meeting travel and lodging to something that's not going to fly people to California, then you would have to come up with that through user fees or your grant basically. And it would, I guess, be up to you whether or not you want to do that versus give these incentives that you've got line item on the top line item for treatment fees problem solving. What is that expenditure? So an example would be that

someone has lost their Medicaid insurance and their in between insuranceances and a requirement that behavioral health court has is that they are receiving therapy. We will pay for their therapy. Okay. Okay. And then you also cover some testing there. And the prevention and education was an addin and that's to fund the mental health awareness walk. We've done it annually. So that's what that's for. And then I moved the cell phones from here over to um the general fund. Well, I'm less keen to reducing your meeting travel and lodging in general as much as I said now knowing that you probably don't have any money or or I guess we don't know how much money you have out of the 13,000 for that. Right. So, do we want her to report back the first week of August or are you okay just overallocating funds for medi? I'm not okay with overall allocating quite sure that we are overall. I don't like the idea of putting people on a wait and see, come back in a month. I'd rather just clean it up. Well, we don't know how much of this 10,000 she got. This isn't right. This third page, if that if she got five or 10,000 for meeting, travel, and lodging, that's great. But if zero of it for meeting, travel, and lodging, and I'm trying to cut her to $1,000 in general fund, then that's not what I would do if she doesn't have any money for it elsewhere like that with you. They don't give you for the grant. All I said for the award letter. Yeah. how you had written out for it to be spent. They just said they gave us the 135 that's what we awarded that they would give us the details later. So that's Did you have to apply to it a certain

much per each? I did but I asked for more than the 135. So I was given a part of the grant. So if I shot you numbers they would not be based on what we received. So, I'm I'm totally okay with going back and reworking it so you guys have more numbers to make a good decision on. I don't know what you guys want to do. I mean, I think what we have in here is too much for meeting travel and lodging and how we want to go about it. I'm open to other people's opinions. I'd like to cut the uh find amount down. Yeah, me too. And then uh let's wait out the grant and see if you get what you projected on your 885 that later if you all the places that you're going back depending or you only send two people instead of I don't know how many people eight they sent eight I think. Yeah. Oh four. Okay. Yeah. Is it some kind of special training that they're required to have? It's it's not a requirement, but it is where we learn about best practices and evidence-based standards so we can become if we want the result of having a problem solving court that it works, then we need to be trained to be able to do that. And so that's where that training. Four people at 1500 is six grand. She's got four in her 4,000 in her user fees. So, I think we give her 2,000 in general, not knowing if any of it can be covered by the third page grant. That would be my suggestion. With the limited information, a revised gr um motion to address general fund. I'll make uh a motion to amend the previously approved amount in general fund for behavioral health court to amend the meeting travel and launching

item to 2,000 from 5,000. Got a second. Second. Got it. There you got it. I And then uh we didn't vote on 259 yet, right? So I'll make a motion to approve 259 as presented. Second. All in favor? I say. And then Greg can fill back in here. I'll make a motion on 8885 to approve the budget. What was your verbiage on that? To approve the budget to the grant award amount of 13,500. Right. Yeah. With appropriations as outlined by the state. Second. That was that was my motion for the records. I just appropriations. I know it's I second that motion. Yeah. What was that last part with the appropriations outlined by the state the state for the for the grant and we have a second. So all in favor I So we have addressed all three um within the behavior. Yes. All right. Thank you. All right. It's 12:07. Okay. I'm going to bring this up one more time and then I'm not going to talk about it anymore. No, we can listen to stomach. Do they have to leave? The first question is, does Deb and Mary have to leave for lunch? Because that's what I thought I heard. Okay. So, we just assumed because there's a lunch break on the agenda that we were going to be taking lunch. I think if we you could give us 30 minutes, that would be helpful. Okay. Uh, do you want us to do you want to eat with us? I don't, but thank you. Neither of you do. Somebody else's back. Do you need the same 30 minutes together or could you alternate 30 minutes? It's a real question. I I think we could alternate.

Yeah, we could because then we could keep We are what, an hour and a half behind? Something like that. So, if you one of you was able to stay for documentation and then take turns leaving, we could work through lunch if that's what the rest of you want to do. I'm indifferent. I can be here all night. If we just want to take 30 and everybody go knock it out themselves and hurry back. That doesn't work. If you guys want to come in, we'll work that out. Get the car and drive there and get back. You'll waste a half an hour. Good thought, but doesn't work. Yeah, we've I'd say the number one. Yeah, I Whoever does it has to slip away. If you don't Okay. Do they have is it Jimmy Johnson that does the 303? Yeah. Well, they delivered here before. So, they did deliver where they're coming and everything. There's door. Don't get all turkey. Jim gets all turkey. Let's take a let's take a five minute break at least because you guys go ahead because you don't want to be on YouTube ordering if you have to give credit card. Yeah, this is recording now. So, you first let me find out. Yes. But I get Okay. I just want everybody needs to step away and do you need help, Mary? I always need help, but you're never around when I need you. Give me your turkey. Greg wants turkey. I want turkey. I'm ordering half turkey and half ham, and you're going to get what you get. Oh, okay. All right. There's 30 pieces. Ham chip. This is not just plain chips. Throw some barbecue or something in there because I have to give them some. Sounds perfect. I gotta will take one. Over the weekend, I tried to buy $3,000. I'll eat whatever. You probably couldn't do that. I couldn't do it. And it was Sunday and I think

Oh, you're allowed to have a sandwich. Okay. It's not bribery. We'll take it. I just got to figure out how to order it. We we are not see if we can get everything else. Yes. I don't know when they're leaving. Don't stop messing with call and do it. Argu I think most everybody Yeah. What are we We are cutting more now than we've ever Well, we want you up here cuz I want I know. I I voted yes. Right. But we've got now about a year. We got problems coming. Consulted with that's what we're trying to clean up ourselves, Robert. We're going to we're going to have that new bill. Even though some of the numbers are screwed, but I believe you're down to what the leaders say a person should weigh. And that I've never been there. He's he's he's on a diet. I've never been. He's not sick. He's not sick. The Hercu Let's go through center right there. I was at point-l. [Music] So, are we in a break right now, Mary? Supplies.

ask question. He can answer in two seconds. I just want to make sure you have a corn Almost. Deb just left. We lost. Oh, she got here. I'll go over there. Sit down. Thank you for gonna go ahead and start. We're back loud. I just wanted to make sure. Okay. All right. Uh, we're going to hear the 911. Anybody have anything to say? Yes. Um, uh, Robin Ladder and I have spent a lot of time with John and, uh, even though his, um, numbers are jockeyed all over the place, uh, we are willing to swear that he is giving a 3% raise to everyone and nothing over that. And I have a question for John. Yes, John. Since we gave those raises at the end of the year, how many people have you lost? Because you were losing people. Zero. Zero. Zero. Great. We just we just hired our last two to fill out our last two open positions. So, what we did did did help. Yes. So, I move that we uh accept uh 1222 and 1235 as written. I second that. Okay. All in favor? I opposed. It passes. Thank you. Well, thank you for the uh hard work up front. Thank you for being on our board, too. So, appreciate that. You're welcome. Everything.

Uhhuh. Hey, is the extension office here? Extension office. Yep. Yep. There she is. So, she's switching bookkeeper and office manager, looks like. bookkeeper eliminating office. Um that had previously been approved um prior to this and it was just the title change instead of calling office manager. We changed it to bookkeeper um a few months ago but that was approved. Um so office manager is out. Can you go through the um office supplies? That's a big office supplies. Yes. So, it is a big number and um I'll be honest and let you know that this is the first year that I've covered our budget as the um director um and we have been short staffed and so the budget rolled o I mean I looked at the numbers but the budget did roll over. Um we do um use a lot of our office supply money. In fact um I believe we had to transfer money from one line item in the past to the office supplies. Um we do have a lot of programming that we do in our office in all three program areas plus our um extension homemakers and our master gardeners. Uh we provide some of those products for them as well. Well, the raises are less than 3%. It was says it was 113 is what they used um 2024 and this is for 2026. So 13 isn't Yeah, the the mileage is the mileage is mine is the big one. It's more than double.

So is there a reason why we're using more than double mileage? um the mileage has been set at that rate um in the past and so I used I I pulled the mileage over. Um I'm happy to cut some off of our mileage. Um we do I mean we obviously do use a lot of the mileage because all three educators in our office are um traveling across the state. We don't typically travel out of state, but we are using a lot of mileage. Um Well, would you It looks like in 2024 they said 12,000, you use $7,000. Um even if we took it back to 2024, that's a $3,000 cut. Is that enough or is that I think 12 I think that's okay. So if we took 3,000 out of that, made made that light in 12,000. And they have their own janitorial. It says janitorial surprise. So they doesn't Well, they're they're out. Okay. Not yet. I mean, that's my assumption. They're not around here. If there's nothing else that anyone wants to ask her, I would move that we accept the county extension services um budget as presented with exception of mileage, which would go to 12,000. I'll second. All in favor? I I budget approved. Go. Thank you. Thank you. Health department. Hello. Hello. I I just u I'll start. I the health officer uh with a 3% raise would be

56,650. So it's overstated by just a little. So from the 55,000 from the 55,000 will be 56650. Yeah, we have the same amount. So sorry that's all right. 5650. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We got five board members. group insurance fa the uh your attorney contractual um is that just a number you put you don't spend nearly that much well it depends there's you know there's certain ongoing court cases that we have or you know um he sends letters for us he does you know different hearings for us and um so it's just it's kind of It's it's hit or miss what we what we will spend in a year depending on what's going on. Okay. Attorney attorneys are making Could you cut a little from it? It's too much. I mean, as a lawyer, it's just too much. All these attorney We got We got to figure out a way to whether it be in-house counsel or something. I mean, something in the future's got to change on that. And the attorney contract will go down, though. Yeah. I mean I mean it's like every department can I mean there's there's there's potential to cut their um cutous thousand. Yeah. And then you know there's always a chance that I might have to come back but it all depends on what is going on. So but I that would be that would be fine. And that was in the attorney contractor contract 3312. You use the same attorney every year and you sign a contract. I mean that's what makes me think. Yeah. Yeah. So um Greg Morlock is who or Brandon Morlock. keep if if he can't cover something, one of his one of the attorneys there does. So, so we use Brandon Morlock for the planning department. Obviously, it sounds like we use the health department. Maybe we need to have a contractual agreement with with that

firm or or or go out there, you know, I compete against them, so I can't do it, but go out there and find a firm that can do all these things and have them all bid and have one contractual agreement to do multiple departments. a banky can't do all these things. I mean, we got to look at how because the planning departments, wait till you see their attorney fees how much they've gone up. It's or is it possible to get a county attorney that's flex that is part of a a group that could do all of it? Yeah. Well, still like for HR though, they would not want Well, yeah, you'd have you'd have like if she had a problem with if the if the attorney had a conflict and you would have to have a line item just in case she has to go somewhere else. But I don't think she would uh because they're outside. You're doing outside. You're not Nobody inside you're being sued, right? It's it's all outside. Correct. Correct. Have you Have you worked with Scott Binky at all about some of these issues? We have not. I mean, the Brandon Morlock has been the health department attorney since long before I even started. So, it's just been um it also though everybody's think our commissioner left and that commissioners would have to initiate. Yes, they'd have to initiate. And we can't do that today. No, we can lower this number today. Exactly. Well, the council is is statutoily allowed to have their own attorney as well. Right. That's the person that be sitting there right now. Yeah. And and it doesn't have to be the same as No, it doesn't have to be Scott Bank. But let's let's focus on what we got in front of us. So maybe we can make up some Can we cut it by 4,000? Um your your postage line item doesn't seem to get used at all. That's fine with me. I typically do a claim or two a year for five or a,000. 500 or $1,000 to for the postage machine because we started using that a couple of years ago. But we could cut that to a,000. Uh, we could try. Sure. Which one? Postage. Postage. And cut that to what? A,000. And then I'm sorry, what did you guys do

with the attorney contractual? We cut it in half. 4,000. 4,000. And I don't even see where's postage there. So, you're making a postage be what now? 1,000. 1,000. She hasn't used it. So, gotcha. Okay. Okay. I'm going to read off the uh revisions that we addressed, which is attorney contractual 31206 reduced to 4,000, postage 32100 reduced to 1,000. Does anybody have anything else they want to address? The health officer. Yeah, that that $50. Oh, yes. and the Yes. Y $56,650. Get that. I make that as a motion. So moved. All in favor? I motion passes. Maybe you might speed us along, Mary, if you just state it and then Okay, let me just make a motion. Okay, that's fine. Did you have anything in CCD? No. Thank you. The next next one the next fund's Health First Indiana. That's the state thing, right? Uhhuh. Well, so so the state cut that are are you proposing the correct level at 1 million 10 after the state cuts? Yes, because of the carryover funds from 24 and what we'll have left from 25. We are not out of bounds with 20, but the amount we will get for um 26 is 417,483. So, so the budget is over that amount that we will receive for 2026, but I have that in carryover cash balance from 24 and 25. So, so the the jail navigator, has that position ever been filled? Yeah, it's filled. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, it's it's filled and we have agreed to fund that at least through 2026. We felt like

we could do that with some carryover funds and then we'll have to I'm not sure that we can continue that. Um but we will do that for 2026. And that's its own line item down there at the very bottom 1217 or it's at the bottom of my list. But I want to make sure I So you're saying the grant in 1161 is how much for 26 it is 417483. Okay. Difference between 417 and 1 million210 is you are using prior funds. Yes. which will burn through at the end of 26 potentially. Yeah. I mean, what do we do in 27 if we would try and maintain a $1.2 million budget? Well, if we used all that, we wouldn't be able to. We would go back to what the actual and so for 27 the legislation is that $417 483 again. So that's what was voted on. So we will get that that same amount in 26 and 27. So, we would just adjust the budget if we use that cash balance. We would just not Why would we have an artificial line called 500,000 operating expenses? Um because that gives us um leeway to do things like um any programming or um we did CPR classes or any other any other expenses. I mean, we it's it's kind of a a catch all, but why not have that at 250,000 and then sustain your other funds into 27, not just 26. What he's saying is do that. I save some of them for the next year after. You don't use it. You you retain it in, right? because because I guess we look

at it as it's easier to have it appropriated already and be able to use it but potentially not have the intention to use it all in 26. But if we came upon a situation, good lord, like COVID or something, we would have funds already appropriated, then we wouldn't have to go through all of those steps to get the money appropriated, I think, is kind of the thought process. And that's fine. I think that's fine. I think it's fine. It's there. It's not going anywhere. You'll use it if you need it. You'll save it if it's left. Yeah. You just have to be cognizant that it it shouldn't all go to 400,000 next year. If you have this much left, correct? It doesn't have to go to 400,000. You can stretch this out for two or three years. Oh. Oh, we hoped beyond that. Yes. Yes. 417 is only at least two years. It may be zero. Could be zero. Yes. And so yeah, the the intention is that this will hopefully get us further. I'll make the motion that fund 1161, Health First Indiana, is approved as presented. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passes. 1206. 1206 is one of the funds that we used to get funding for. Um, but because we get the health first dollars, we no longer get funding to this account. So, it's basically just um we use it until that cash balance is gone and then then we Yeah. What is the current cash balance? Um, I don't have that written down. We went through it. There's quite a bit there. in here someplace. Here it is. Balance 194,838.

All right, then. So, do we have a move to approve fund 1206 as presented? Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion pass. Seconded that. Kent. Kent. Uh, fund 4,100. Move to approve. Second. All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. Fund 8908. This is the same situation as the local health uh or the trust account. It we don't get funds to it because we get the health first dollars. Move to approve. Second. Second. Should we find out balance is no? What's the cash balance? I mean, we could do that. I'm trying real hard to keep this thing going. You seconded that. I did. I did. Oh, I did. Robin did. Who? Uh 122,265. That's plenty. All right. Call for call for the question. I did. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Good. That's what that means. Well, I know. But I thought I thought we were done. The boteterrorism fund of 8909. So, this decreased, but we will we get um our funding from the it's a reimbursement grant that we get and that funding decreased. Um so, and we um we no longer have the um part-time um contractual because in health first dollars, we now have a full-time preparedness coordinator. So, we didn't need that contract position anymore. So, this one's this is currently negative 2,000. Yes. That and because it's reimbursement. So, yep. negative. Yeah. Move to approve 8909. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. CARES Act 8955. This is another one we don't receive any more funds into. This is COVID reimbursement. Um some different things

that the state did with grants and things. 8955. That's more than 500. 995. Move to approve fund 8955 as presented. Second. All in favor? I I motion carries. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry we're so delayed. I HDC. Do we even have to approve anything? He didn't submit anything. No, there's there's no budget. That's that 5% fee that he received. So, we skip on that. And I don't know if we have we we probably ought to go ahead and appropriate that. Then we won't have to appropriate it. And it's about 705,000 projected for 26. I would move that we appropriate 705,000 for H. Do you know what the total is right now? Oh, wait a minute. Am I on the wrong thing? No, we're on H%e. It's the 5% fee, but that's an estimate. We have no idea what you could say. I You can make a motion to approve the 5% fee. Yeah. I I don't know if I want to say an exact number because we don't know what it is. Well, that's a projection. 705,000. Then as it comes in, we won't have to appropriate it each time if we do it that way. Unless it's do we want to appropriate the number that we don't know what the well what if we appropriate equal to 2025 Jim and yeah 6200 I make a motion that we appropriate 662,863 for 1149 second all in favor I carries

okay Um, Gary Pool. Is he? Where are we? Gary, I don't know. That's not We're up to 11:00. Oh, hang on. I've got to turn the HDMI on. Thank you. Okay. Is it even an increase to the general fund? I move that we appropriate the um tombbridge fund 1135 as written. Second. What's um was it I don't know where my qu I have some questions on some of these. Okay, let's get So So my question was what is bridge 67DES? All of a sudden it's 1.6 million. It came out of nowhere. That's federal grant. Okay. All the DEZ numbers are all federal grants. Okay. That's my question. Thank you. Okay. Uh, we have a a motion. Do we have a second? Yes, I second it. All in favor? I motion carries for fun 1135. I move we approve local re road and street 1169 as written. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. All right. It's on an 1173. That one. Uh, what is RD I M P A R- Lowhut? Just put it back there.

Anybody know what that is? Because that was a massive increase. What one did you say, Scott? It's the first one on 1173 RDMPR- lowut. I'm going to guess that's some crossing grant, but I I don't know. Couldn't be materials. It's very Yeah. Okay. You're hearing this, Gary? Your mic's off. I can't hear. So, the question about the first line 1173. Yeah. Can they see the presentation I have up? Yeah, I see you. Okay. Are we talking about this line right here? part time the RDM imprut fund 1173 3 and a2 million line item 3 and 12 million 11300 2300,000 that's for that's for materials for pavement and chip seal and crack se ceiling that's for all the materials we buy for the for the uh road crews to repair roads So, it's gone. The price has gone up 800,000 or you doing a lot more. What did he say? Oh, he's want to know if that's just an increase in the price or how do how does an MBH get Ask me the question he's asking it through yours. What is he asking Kim? This is a restricted. This is restricted. Restricted. This is restrictive. This is all for materials. Materials. Did the cost of material go up or are you using more material? Wanting to know if the cost of material

went up or are we using more material? It is going up and we are using more. Okay. In general, if you look at the first slide, I will try to put as much money into the roads as we can each year. Okay. So if you look at this slide, I move we approve 1173 written. All in favor 1173 1173 I try to keep it. Yeah, it's passed 173 here. I try to keep it. Okay. Under MVH, you're giving a 3% raise. % raise MVH uh total looking at your your um correct summary sheet. We have to make a correction to the 144, but it's going to be a 3% raise over last year's and the uh county engineer uh and director gets less than 2%. So, I'm going to recommend that we add another $10,000 to the RDC budget for um the line item. I think it's called stipen that would go to the county engineer. We did that last year, correct? Yeah. Yes. So, it'd be the same. It'd be additional but this would be I'm proposing an additional 10 additional 2,000 additional 10 over the 10 that we will still be giving him. Yes. For RDC the work he did. Well, wouldn't that be a decision for RDC to make? Yes. Well, we can put it into budget, but they could and the RDC would have to okay it, but we can put it in the budget. They don't have to to agree.

We say the department also based on that I would move that we approve uh fund 1176 MVH as written. Second. All in favor? I I opposed. I I I So the motion carried 43. Yeah. Pass it as written. We probably should do a roll call. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's start this again. Okay, let's do the motion to do a roll call. Before you roll call it, can make sure I understand why are three people opposed to passing it as written. What is the My objection is that the engineer is not getting the 3% but other staff members are getting more than 3% on the totalities. He took part of his enrollment to give more of his allocation to his employees. Jim's suggesting that we compensate for that in the RBC's budget. Is that am I following correct? I don't know. Is that why you're wanting to give him an additional 10? If we do that, then that means all these employees are going to get a raise. We need to give a county engineer uh a raise. That's what that was my I think the market for him is that's his choice. But he could have taken the 3% raise. He could have taken the 3%. I know that's a separate proposal from this that this is just the way it's written. This is 1176 right here, right? And he's taking 1.9%. That's okay there. That's okay there. I'm just Well, okay. As you know, I shouldn't have confused it. My objection talking about 1.9 and then my objection to this is that at time goes by, one of these days, Gary may want to leave. And if he does that, if he's done that for more than one year in a row, and if we keep doing that, we're going to run that

engineer salary down. And if we'd ever need to replace him, then we'd probably have to come up with quite a bit more money because every year he's not getting the full raise. So really, we've never had to bring this up before, but in theory, we're saying that a department head cannot allocate any of their own race to their No, they're supposed to take 3%. Yeah. And um yes, and the reason being is is Gary has the luxury of being able to spread some of that money out because of the pay level he is at. You could go down to the auditor, the treasurer, whomever, whose basic salary does not give them the ability to give away their raise so that they keep up competitively on their own salary. So I just don't think it's it's the right thing to approve even though it's a generous offer. Uh, I think the 3% is is he can divide that how he wants to do it amongst the people and give one a four and somebody else a two, but the total is 3%. Okay, I see what you're saying. Get 3%. Gary should just buy people lunch more often to work for him. Take them out to dinner. Yeah, take them out to dinner. Taco Bell. So, we had a motion, but I'd like Well, that motion died passed. It did pass. It was 4 to three, right? Yes. But then we decided to call roll and then we had a discussion. So does do we want to call roll again or do we want to revise the I think we want to revise I think you want to revise the motion cuz the the ones passed. So recall the role on it did pass for start again. We wanted to verify but you want another motion. I don't know who as a new new person here's my opportunity for a question. If love Gary, love his work, great things. Let's say we're going to give him $10,000 out of RDC,

but we're not going to do that to other department heads. Are we going to give Deb $10,000 because she she gave everybody else what Gary does on the RDC is no one else. He's our consultant. I understand that. outside looking in, taxpayers are still going to see it as or when somebody comes and says, "Hey, I'm going to lose my department head, my office manager for $12,000." Well, we don't want to budge off that middle of the year. I I don't know. I'm just saying. Okay. Well, then we'll make the decision on that specific case. It's a case by case scenario. Agree. But I'm saying if we're trying to make standards, set standards, and go with them, this now seems outside. Well, you can't you can't set standards if if you're not doing apples to apples.