County Council - Regular Meeting

All right. I call the May 13, 2026 meeting to order. We do the pledge of allegiance followed by the moment of silence. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Just in case just in case,

there's more to the story. I'll finish it later. All right. All right. We'll get started with the agenda. 8:30 a.m. request for appropriation. Corey Taylor, come on up.

Is this in our packet? No, there was I didn't have something. Oh, thank you. Good morning.

Morning. I'm here to ask to reappropriate $63,35154 into fund 1138. This money was paid from this fund. Um I had a contractor expressed to them before, during and after that of the job was crucial. This did not happen. The contractor agreed to pay for remediation. So this was the cost of remediation which was paid from my 1138 fund. So I'm requesting to put that back into my fund. So they would not pay the the company that did the cleanup. Correct.

So we had to pay it out of Cory's budget. So then that company that owed the money for the cleanup sent that check to us. So it's so we paid them. It's getting it back in there. You're moving money around. Just moving money around. So, yes. Basically, we're reimbursing ourselves for something that was not our fault. But thumbs up, right? Correct. Yeah. Because it has to be a hearing. Any questions by anybody? All right. Take a thumbs up. We got at least four. So, all right. You can advertise. Thank you, Cory. Thank you. All right. Next up, 8:45. Is Nicole in here? All right. Nicole, come on up for the CF1 approvals. Good morning, council. Morning.

Morning. I've got seven CF1s that have been turned in so far. Do you want me to just talk about each one or uh uh we also have uh we got I think everybody on the council got an email from somebody like to speak. So instead of having that done at the end and because pertains only CF1, we're going to have him speak. So if um I think the concerns are three, four, and five. Could you talk about those?

Sure. So number three, so the Inland LLC, also known as GDI, number two to me, um, per their SB1, they said that they would have 25 employees with 780,000 in salaries. Their CF1 submission said that they have no employees. Last year they also stated they did not have any employees and we had Terry McCardwell speak on behalf of them and he had stated that they were having problems getting the building leased. Excuse me. Um they are four of 10 years and they also have a 5% abatement fee. And I also want to note too that ever since the building has been completed and they started their abatement in 23 pay 24 they have had no employees.

So it's been an it's been an empty building but if they paid all their taxes and fees okay but but I think this is the building that Walmart just bought. I think I couldn't confirm that. Ry's Walmart did buy a building, but that was GDI number four, not this one is number two. Okay. Yep. Okay. Oh, that's the next one. Yep. There's a lot of GDI buildings. Yes. Seven, I think there were. All right. Can you discuss number four?

Number four. So, Inland E70B5 LLC, which is also known as GDI number two, um, per their SP1, they said that they would have 17 employees with salaries of 530,000. Their CF1 submission stated they had 22 employees with 970, 627 in salaries. I want it noted that I kind of try to go back through and look at their previous CF1 submissions and every single year that's the same information and I just find that very weird. Yeah, it's not weird, it's lazy. Well, that's what I think so too, but yes, and not putting any effort into.

Yeah. So, I just wanted that brought to attention that it's the same information over and over. Um, I'm going to address that with them and ask them to I I think I think they should. What is the That's why I want to leave it up to you, the council, to let me know how to proceed. I mean, I I think they'll get they'll probably keep their DM, but I wish they'd take it more seriously and they we probably should order them to come in and give us the real numbers. Yeah, I'd like to hear what at least changed unless you're not giving raises. Is this building a spec building that has a tenant? Is this a tenant? Yeah, these are tenants. Who's a tenant? I I don't know who the tenant is. They they don't specify. They don't tell me who the

numbers coming from the SB1 are an estimate of who the estimate that the building owner threw on a application or is it an SB1 from the uh tenant who probably would have assumed uh they should have to complete something I would think. Uh so the SB1 would have been from the builder not the tenant. Okay. So so because this is another spec building because all these GDI buildings were all spec buildings. So there should be something at least giving us a little more information about the tenant and the new application that we just ask very specific questions about. So this building that just sold no

looks like both these buildings are owned by GDI. So we just ask them to come in and someone from their office. Yes. Not ATDC. Right.

All right. Number five. So number five 70 connect 2. Um so per SB1 the employee count was 270 with salaries salaries of 9.5 million versus their CF1 submission. So the original CF1 submission said 18 employees with 1.3 million in salaries. This particular CF1 was emailed to me and I emailed back and said that's a pretty low number. Just want to verify that that is correct. They did just get back with me this week and they said that they had now have 50 employees but they did not specify the salaries. Um and I also want to noted too that um ever since the beginning of their when the building was complete and they started their abatement every year has been zero employees until last year was 43 and then this year now is 50 which is still under their SP1 estimate. Now, there's a huge difference between the SB1 and the CF.

Yes. Um, we did have a representative from 70 Connect come in last year and they had stated that they were having issues with the tenant submitting them information on their employee account. So, yeah. Um, and then they are in five of 10 years. They have a 5% abatement fee. They do not have an EDA. So, they don't have an EDA. They do not. That's actually 70 Connect 3 has an EDA. Okay. I mis look at I I misyped that. So I just want that noted. They do not have an EDA. Is everybody on this list current on all their taxes and everything? EDA and EDA payments. Yes.

Okay. All right. Um I'm going to give uh Mr. Overhouser two minutes if he'd come up. Uh it's from the uh public comment time. Um do you want to time it or I can I can time it. Okay. He asked for two minutes. His name's Paul Overhouser. He's local he's he's I think retired now attorney uh in intellectual property and uh Mr. Overhouser you have two minutes.

Thank you very much Mr. Woodridge. Uh I appreciate the council asking representatives of uh Indand and 70 Connect to come back in a month to discuss the discrepancy in their current CF1s. I also understand that the auditor expects to receive a whole bunch more CF1s by May 15th and I would hope that uh should any of those also prove to be deficient that representatives from those people be uh directed in next month for another hearing so that we can hear their explanations. I did go back and look at the comments uh from last year when all these deficient CF1s were nonetheless approved by this council which I find disappointing. I would advocate that the council should not approve uh continuation of abatements for companies that are not in compliance. And I also appreciate that uh apparently someone will get back with uh the Inwind people about the uh uh the fact that they've reported the same number of salaries and employees, the exact same numbers for four consecutive years, which sounds very suspect. The final point I want to make is that when the council considers whether or not to terminate these abatements or not, I think it should be informed of what the amount of the abatement is or or is reasonably projected to be so that we have a dollar amount so the public knows how much less the comp the the county stands to receive if the abatements are continued. when reviewing the transcript from last year and the submissions from this year. I don't see that anywhere in the paperwork and I believe that's something you should know. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Nicole, um he he mentioned something at the end about uh how easy would it be to put on what each amount abatement is on each of these forms. Is it is it easy or So it's not. So the way that the it works is all assessed values rolled to me by July 1st from the assessor. Well, all of these CF1s are due to be by May 15th for next year. So I don't have the assessed values for next year for these CF1s. So you could give 2020, you give the previous year, but I can give you previous year. Yes, I can give you previous year, but I cannot give you a future year because I don't know that information.

I respect that. And then also, so those assessed values rolled to me by July 1st. Well, I have to clean all that up because that's part of my certifying net assessed values. Well, also I send this information to um Tony at Nexus who we use to figure our real property abatements. And th that information isn't given to me till probably mid to late July is when that information is given to me. So I don't know what these abatements are going to be for next year until August. I'd say I would like to see us just under is that if we decide we want to have additional information or we want them to appear that's stated in the letter of non-compliance and it's held kind of as a pending

approval after we look at the information that they provide or don't provide. and then make a final decision after that. But it starts with a letter of non-compliance, right? Well, if you're going to do that, shouldn't you also shouldn't we also know how much in taxes they are paying? That would be that'd be what they was we were just talking about. But it's only the non-compliant ones, correct? Yeah, there's only two on this page. There's three. There's three. There were three we discussed. Four, five. Yeah. Okay. Five is non-compliant. Yeah. cous in business. You know, several of us are in business and and when when we do this, uh some of them are home runs and some of them are singles. Why?

I think as long as they're paying their taxes and paying everything, why we had to generally approve it, but if we have questions, they should come in and explain. Well, you you can't determine four is non-compliant. Okay. So, they're given the same number every year, but what if it's 30 instead of 22 now? Because they they did submit a CF1 higher than the the compliance, right? Yes. So, they're not it's not that they're noticing now. Yeah. Right. Unless they lied on that that they don't have at least that many, but so they're not. So, there's two of the of the seven that are. So, we fresh me then. Why is that one on here as

um so I just brought it up for the mere fact that for the past three years now four years it's been the same information over and over but the non-compliancy is failure to provide an updated CF1. Correct. So it is non that looks like it's not an updated CF1. There's no way over four years your payroll didn't change by a penny. Right. But they're above what they said when we g the abatement. Yeah. And if they can prove that better than what we said when we Yeah. didn't want to fill out the info and just copied it. Does anybody have any questions about 126 or 7? Well, if we don't then I' I'd entertain a motion to um put them in compliance so they can be signed off on.

Make one comment first. Go ahead. Um on those two, you'll notice there were no estimate information on the SB1s and for the employees. And that's because um on spec buildings, uh we at first we insisted they fill that information out. And then one of the uh companies said, "Well, let me tell you the truth here is that we don't know. It's a spec building. We haven't leased it yet, so we don't know how many employees. We don't know what the salary is." But you insisted that we do it. So they said, "We're making up a number." And we said, "Well, don't we don't want madeup numbers." So that's why some of them don't.

And then I told them I wanted them to make up a number because we would get to this point and the benchmark would be zero if we hadn't asked you to guess a number. Well, at the same time, those that have zero are two of the best ones on this page, right? very important.

That's that's a non if it was really low like some of the others then we may be sitting here talking about well that's not what we expected when we gave it a bill. I want to stress how important to to me anyway it is that these CF1s change every year and quit being I dealt with the same thing when I was up there and it's just an ongoing problem that they uh they have all the people in the world sitting behind them proposing these abatements and asking us to uh grant them but then they don't want to do the paperwork and and that's irritating because they're getting a chunk of money through the paperwork or lose your abatement. I think also asking them to show up puts some skin in the game that if they can't make it or

have scheduling conflicts, well, it must not be that important. Yeah. And I want them here, not a representative from HDC here for them. I want them. Uh what I did last year was on the CF1, I marked that the property owner is not in substantial compliance. And then I put a date and time for them to show up is is what I did in the letter. And then last year 70 a representative for 70 connect came GI came. So there were representatives that they come last year to explain what was going on. Okay. Can we ask for a written report 7 days before they show up? I mean is that I know it's not binding. It's not usually what most of them do. I can tell you that. other you said like a rent report or

a written report just so we can look at it and review it instead of We would if we do that we would ask Scott to to make sure that we're able to do that. You can ask how that's worded. You can ask them but they don't have Yeah. It's not required. Yeah. And if we ask I think they will do it. Yeah. Because they know what's at stake. We just say our preference is that you give it provide a written report of a testimony that you can provide to make it easier on us. I agree with that. Good. All right. So, I move we um allow one, two, six, and seven to be approved.

I'll second. All right. And uh any discussion? All right. I have a motion on the table for uh uh one CF1's for numbers 1, 2, 6, and 7 to be approved as being compliant. All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? same sign. All right, motion carries. Um, on the non-compliance, to answer Nicole's question on this letter, when are we telling them to be present? Is it the second meeting in June? Yeah, cuz the budget meeting is the first. You don't do that. We don't do this at budget meeting. No. Okay. That's when I was going to do it was June, your June meeting. Just give them as much notice as you have time to get it out. Yep.

I I do I believe I need a motion for non-compliance for four, five, and six. Correct. and for um everything discussed and provided to Nicole to uh to be done by Nicole. I'll make a motion uh that we have Nicole move forward with documentation um on substantial non-compliance for items listed in 3, four, and five with a request that they um appear at our next council meeting. Okay. Second it. All right. I have a a motion and a second on the table. Do I uh for non-compliance for three, four, and five? Any discussion? All right. All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Same sign. Motion carries. Oppose.

Oh, no. One. No. One. No. All right. 61.

Yep. Uh, you can leave them here. I can sign. All right. Next up is at 9:00 a.m. is salary amendment budget transfer for Gary P. Who's here? Morning. We made an error. I made an error. Cavalto is on a street operator. Here's painter that last year. This year we did not roll that on at the beginning of the year. I believe I'm in rears. I'm working with the auditor on this. $1,19160. basically she's 50 and I'm gonna ask to authorize an additional I want to make it a little more than that just in case I miss something with the auditor's department so I don't have to come back again to get her brought up to date

you're allowed an arrogant Gary just one just one though he shot it pretty early we learn I learned from it I mean we checked it twice and I should have checked it a third time, I guess. Um, so I'm going to add an additional layer in my uh payroll check. I think it's the first time I've had this happen on payroll, but I was I'm always coming up with some strange error for the auditor's office to try to fix. So, that is my ask is to authorize the payroll adjustment um and the payment as structured by the auditor not to exceed $1,300 for Haley Cavalto. Okay. Salary amended. our ordinance amendment and that's next month but we just have to vote on it or No, you have it already. Oh, we have it here. You entertain

you have it in your packet for the highway hourly employees section one. Uh current amounts $24 sending it's going to go to 2520. And what's the ordinance number? Is it on there? Ordinance number will be 2020 5B. Ready for the motion? Yeah. If there's no questions or no more comments to Gary, Mr. Pool, I mean, uh, then yeah, I'm ready for a motion. Well, I move we accept 2025B. You said 2026. 2026B. I'm sorry. 5B. Yeah. 5B and um for the salary ordinance amendment for Gary.

I'll second. Give it to Jim this time. All right. Jim with the second. All right. So, Ken with a motion. Jim with a second to approve uh ordinance number 2026-V5B pertain to highway hourly employees. All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Same sign. Motion carries. Mr. Waldridge, if you'd allow me two minutes, I can give you a quick operational update. We don't all together.

Uh we are eligible for LCWF grants. Those are land purchase grants for wildland. Uh we were going to chase some of those. Uh we'll circle back with you later about those. But if you have interest in that, contact myself or Miriam about where those parcels are. Paving starts today. HMA is expensive. I have some contingency plans in place to cover most of that. So, we should be good. If the excise ice tax and other federal taxes are rescended for a long-term period of time, it will eventually eat through our working capital and we'll have to make some adjustments to our program this year. Just FYI on that. Uh we have some contingency plans in place on that. We've started the planning depending on the length of the excise and sales tax on fuels suspension. Shelby County is reaching out for help on grant. They've not received a grant in the last 10 years. They have several projects. I said I'm willing to talk about that, but I'm having that approved through the commissioners because Shelby County competes in the same grant pool that we do. Uh but they do have some significant infrastructure problems down there that they are unable to resolve. Um they've been unable to uh win grants for and they've reached out. Our county has been the most successful in the state on grants for the past decade or so. So they are reaching

Gary I was say since since we hired you or there's a decision it's a team effort between the auditor you guys and it's it's been all this working together and it's not always been easy um but we have been able to get the public a lot of money a lot of their tax money back however um I'm working with the commissioners on that because if we do help Shelby County that is coming out of our same grant pool um so I do need to bring that up is not completely altruistic us to help them it does have it does reduce our pool of money we compete for maybe you could get a % of it. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's not commission.

So, that that's being considered. Jack and Sons. Uh there's a bridge on Pinsey Trail just to the south of Jack and Sons under the bridge program. We have come to terms with Jack. Um we're grateful for that. I've started initiating the movement. It's already appropriated within the bridge program to do this. I'm just bringing up to date on it. We'll probably be trying to close on that within 3 months. So, we began and that amount is

the amount is 270 around $280,000. Um, and it has um I always hate to talk about property purchase right in the public meeting. However, we can. It's business. Um, there will be a lease attached to it for $1 a month. The purpose that lease is to make sure that's ingoing only. It'll allow him time to clear out his inventory, let his employees find better employment, and more importantly, get the stuff out of my way so I'm not trying to recycle or get everything cleared out of that once we take it over. We are also in coordination with Jenna and Greenfield over a Brownfield project. We have a grant, we have a $400,000 grant for that through Greenfield to get it cleaned up when it's done. So, that's coming. I don't want to go over my two minutes. I promise, Mr. Woolridge. No, you're fine.

Capital plan is also coming. I've sent a few variations of it to you, Gary. I' I'd like to compliment you on uh your work on Jacinson's uh purchase. That's something that the city of Greenfield is trying has been trying to do for 40 or 50 years and uh uh Gary got the job done. Well, thank you. So, you're you're we're compensating an individual for his private business. Wow. We're purchasing his property.

I know that doesn't happen in my world. If you like to talk about the sale of your land, I'm telling you, we're not going to make you rich. Um, we're but uh it was mutually a beneficial situation. It is downtown Greenfield, which is the center of our county. Having a recycling operation there is not ideal for tax base andor the development of our citizens having a downtown area. Is the uh $400,000 green field grant anticipated to cover all or most of the remediation? The environmental stuff is an unknown dynamic. You get into it. You probably don't know.

It's dynamic. I I could talk an hour about it. I I'm not certain. I believe it will cover most. I hope so. I believe so. Right now, it says it will. However, my professional experience, environmental things are dynamic. Oftentimes, they'll come up really short like we overprogram them. Uh but sometimes it can go the standard deviation on those projects is large. So you with the remediation there is removal of soil. Yeah. Remediate chemicals in the soil. Uh have a set line that you're going to go down like 4 feet 5T that you hope that that takes care of it and then if you run into more you just have to keep going. There's a whole that's a whole operation. It's a whole I I understand. I just didn't know.

They they'll do to overimpy. They'll do a bunch of borings. They'll do borings. They'll find out where dangerous stuff is. They'll dig it out or they'll use biological remediation. They'll use chemical remediations, physical removal and payment for where it's removed. There's there's a uh plethora of actions that will take place and we're not sure what there was a set depth that that $400,000 was assuming and then after that we'll end up possibly engaging. There's a whole array of assumptions what the chemicals are, what depth they are. There's a whole array of assumptions what the cost of hauling is. So yeah,

anyway to move on, capital plan is done. Myself and Miss Shidler are working on our expense variations for our stuff is large right now as is our revenue variations. So we have a planned amount of revenue and a planned amount of expenses that are underneath it. Those graphs kind of go up, but the cones of variation on those are very large. And the area I'm not going to draw a picture here in my in your mind's eye of where the cone of the revenue goes below the cone of the expenses is larger across we're okay in the highway department but I understand that outside all our other big projects it's larger than we want which requires a larger worker capital thing which is pertinent to the council. So uh myself and Miss Shder are working on that. Some of it is just we are a small and efficient group here in the county. And so when you're small and efficient, your cost for that is you make more mistakes. Like this morning, I have a mistake on payroll. That's a variation added to my expense projections. Um these mistakes will happen and we plan for them. Um we have large So we're working on that right now on that standard deviation. There might be if you looking at this large capital program, I would encourage you to consider um and I always hate adding employees. I'm getting ready to buy robot mowers to to get rid of employees to an extent, but um not get rid of them, allow them to do other things without we'll not have to add employees. Like I've been shrinking my staff over the the last several years just using automation AI for administrative stuff and automating other equipment for others. But we might need a manager if you're going to go super large in a capital program. You have two engineers working for you now and we're handled about 200 million over the next five years. you if you add another 100 million, I might recommend you might see it come through the commissioners that they hire someone through my bridge department or something to maybe uh assist your owners rep to an extent. Just I'm not saying that's a request right now. I'm saying consider that

because if we have to contract it out, we might pay more than we'll pay someone to we would actually have our clause on. So it' be it'd be just like for the duration of the capital project. So that's all I got. Could I ask you? Yes, sir. vertical construction versus what? Horizontal construction. Okay. So, I specialize in horizontal construction. So, roads, bridges, things that utilities, things that go flat. I'm a civil engineer, so I've studied all of them. But I specialize in horizontal construction. Other engineers specialize in vertical construction, which I've been helping out with Amplify, the new jail, little stuff like so. anything in a building or anything that goes up from the ground we call vertical construction to oversimplify the okay

type of the type of civil engineering. So we're adding probably maybe several tens of millions of dollars of vertical construction. Um so that type like I can handle less vertical construction projects. I have less experience in it than I can horizontal. Horizontal I have a lot of experience. I've made all the mistakes, right? I've made most I always find a new one every year. Uh, but I've made a lot of mistakes in horizontal, so I'm more predictable there. I can manage any pri all of us can handle manage projects you're handed. But the less experience you have, like Scott could manage a legal project, um, and it would be a narrow scope of surprises. If you put Scott in charge of a civil engineering project, he'd probably do fine, but there'd be more surprises. Things would pop up and you have more variation. So vertical, we're going to see some

like a building. Yes, like a building. verticals, a building, a tower, a water tower, something like that. Got you. How is the 300 South Bridge coming along? The 300 South Bridge should be open at the end of this month. Okay. And then I also have here a highway budget transfer. Yeah. Is that linked to the salary one or is that No, no, this is large culverts and bridge 48. Oh, I need to put I need to put some I'm just moving money from one category to another. Make sure it's paying the from the appropriate spot. Okay. zero sum. It's moving together. Yeah, but we're moving it from one place to another.

Yeah. From fund 49200. The total fund stays at a zero change. I'll make a motion to approve the highway budget transfer from account 49200 large culverts to account 31429 bridge 48 in the amount of $12,356.666. All right, I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Same sign. All right, motion carries. All right, thank you for allowing me to serve the county. I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Gary. See you tomorrow. All right, next up on the agenda, request for juvenile time. Mr. Eaton, come on up.

I believe Mr. eaten either this week sent everybody an email regarding this um request. Yes. Good morning. How can I help you? Well, if you could describe your request, it'd be helpful, I think, for the public and for us.

Okay. Um, looking at forward to the 2027 budget, the prosecutor's office is going to renew its requests for a pure a one parillegal position and one deputy prosecutor position. Um, as described in the memo I sent yesterday, they would primarily be for juvenile cases. As it's been well documented, our office collectively did more than 2,000 hours of paid and unpaid overtime in the last two years. If it went back further, I could probably show that duration, you know, being three or four years going back. Um, and currently structurally, our office and the system itself really doesn't have, you know, a systemic way to to approach the juvenile cases that we have. And so, this is really a structural problem. Right now, the entire system is reactive. And so, these are kind of just frankly, it's overflow. And it it it kind of is. and people step in and do what they can when they can. Um, as a result of that, you know, things are not as consistent or efficient as they should be. And so, in a long enough timeline, we're going to have to do something to address this problem. Um, we've kind of put up, you know, used the resources we've had and reorganized things and I think pushed about as far as we can and it would be substantially beneficial, I think, to probation, the prosecutor's office and the courts if we were to able to have this request be granted. I'm happy to answer questions as they exist.

Could you also describe I know we met for an hour or so. Yeah. You also talked to the council about the concern about juvenile crime increasing and how it's concerning to everybody in the judicial system.

Yeah, that's actually um I'd hoped that some of our friends from probation could make some time to be here because they deal specifically with a lot of the families that are in the juvenile system. Um but bottom line and they could verify some of it. But bottom line is is that you know say 15 20 years ago it was much easier to treat these cases as overflow when somebody would steal a candy bar from Rezers. Um, you know, now, you know, we're seeing a lot more stuff where it's violence or it's on the verge of violence where you have young people either engaging in incredibly reckless behavior with motor vehicles or ebikes or firearms. And so, these are much more public service crimes or crimes at or of violence. And so, therefore, the amount of attention these things need is higher. We're just seeing more of that. That's what it is. I mean, and it's something where recently in the last, let's see here, 90 days, there's a few instances where because the process we have now is a little bit ad hoc. I think it's really created some confusion with our law enforcement partners. Well, who do I call to talk about this? Well, you'll talk to whoever it is and we got your answer the phone. And the way lawyers are, and you know this, Scott, is that you could give both of us the same set of facts and and because we're lawyers might look at it slightly differently. Um, and that's the way lawyers are, but it would be substantially beneficial to law enforcement, probation, and everybody if we had a single way to do it for our parillegal team. You know, as we've talked about a lot before, we have a lot of issues with with how much evidence we have and logging into those cases. Well, what I didn't really say at the time is part of it is is every single juvenile case, filed or unfiled, the girls have to go in and do that. And so, you know, and juvenile cases really are a substantial work burden on on them because you can't have the names of the juveniles in those cases. And so, if you have three juveniles are in trouble together, you have got three different reports, you have to, you know, essentially white out the two juveniles from each of the other cases. So, you have to do that for each one in turn. And so, for time wise, it really is a pretty big strain on our parallegal resources. um you know, they do it because they're

good employees, they work hard, they care, but it's a strain. And so this would be something where it would help them to be a lot more efficient, too. And if we ever really were to be caught out where we had a lot of juveniles happening simultaneous with trial, other stuff, we'd be really really stretched. Do you have any uh openings that you have not filled in your office that you're pending hiring? At this time, the answer is no. No. And uh you do not have any one currently assigned to juveniles directly. That is correct. So So up above in circuit court and superior court, his best two probably two of his best attorneys uh in c criminal prosecution. Why we have them there?

Yep. That's why they're there. Uh they're the ones that have to cover the juvenile crimes, which experts in. I can tell you as a somebody that's done criminal defense and gone against several of these attorneys um that in the past I don't do as much anymore but uh I I never did juvenile crime. Can you describe that that there is a difference that between doing adult criminal and juvenile criminal?

Yeah. And this will take a minute to get through it. I mean structurally number one David you know David and Melissa do most of it. However, the reality of it is is that, okay, David, Melissa are primarily retained by our office to work on major felony criminal matters. And so, if there's trial prep, depositions, or trial or other things that are happening, when there's juvenile stuff happening because the world is always moving, okay, well, I'm not going to pull Melissa and Dave out of a four codefendant jury trial to work with juvenile guys. I'm not going to do it. That's not how things work. So, it'll bump to myself or bump to Amy or bump to Abby or whoever is available. And so, it's not uncommon. It's probably every other week where Melissa or Dave will say, "Hey, this juvenile thing's going on. I have this other thing which is, you know, going to be a major felony prosecution. Who can help me?"

And basically, you kind of hope that everybody among, you know, the rest of us, somebody's available to go over there and and then what really happens is is you try to get there 10 or 15 minutes ahead of time and try to figure out what's really going on. I mean, and that's really what happens. Um, and so number one, that's kind of the way the system is. Number two, you know, to Scott to answer the other part of it is with juvenile law, there are specific things like there's a lot of the juvenile system itself is built really upon rehabilitation. I mean, and so, you know, there's decisions to be made about detention. There's very strict timelines which are different than adult criminal timelines on when you're in detention, how long you can be in detention. There's a lot of stuff that's built towards rehabilitation. There's a lot of collaborative work. There's monthly meetings I know that we have with schools over they do them over at the building. It used to be the old library there on Broadway just north of your house, Robin. Um where you know for the the recent changes in the attendance school attendance laws for the state of Indiana, there's required meetings and so we've got to have representative the prosecutor's office there every single month and that takes about a half day to a full day to have somebody there with people from the school district etc. On a weekly basis, we get together with probation to kind of do what they call staffing and it's kind of see what the cases are, how we're going to file this, what we're going to do, what services could be, you know, brought forth, you know, etc. You do have a number of cases too where they're called dual status and and so some of those that's what you know you call when there's DCS involvement and juvenile justice involvement and and those issues can become kind of complicated depending upon your handle on how you handle those. It may make an impact financially with who's paying for the cost of detention and other things. And so there's a lot of stuff there which is really if you don't do it all the time, it's pretty easy to forget all those rules and nobody in our office does it all the time. And so honestly, we got to do the best we can.

We're seeing up in the area where I live anyway, in my subdivision, these ebikes are insane. They run in a little gang through the addition. They don't buy the traffic signs. They just buzz. Oh, you're right. and AC of across into the county conley line into Hamilton County. I know that they have a case right now that they're prosecuting that a 10-year-old boy on an ebike caused a serious accident and they're charging the parents. Well, here that's really insightful. We had something relatively recently within I'd say the last 45 days, maybe dangerous

where we had a situation up there in McCordsville. Um, I think there were four of them that were cutting in and out of traffic and, you know, essentially causing a public disturbance by being completely responsible and reckless, you know, and as a result of that then, you know, the four juveniles are brought into custody. Um, you this is a really good case to talk about because, you know, they they do that and then we've got to get the cases together. There's no rules for those kids on those bikes, driver's license and plating and all that. They just jump on them and go.

Well, you're right. And and then what happened on the back side of that is that you know Chief Casey and I talked and he's like well who who from probation who from your office should we talk about about this case? Well Paul it depends today it'll be me tomorrow I got court so it'll be so and so etc etc etc. I mean and so it becomes you know frustrating for Paul because there's not a consistent point of contact with which to work right and it's you know difficult for the attorneys because all these kids had attorneys their attorneys wanted to talk to somebody. Well, we're still working on screening. I mean, and so there's a lot of I'll use the word, you know, friction in the system because it's not, you know, greased as efficiently and cleanly as I believe it should be.

I know. I'm sorry. After being a department head or elected official, uh people think that our um employees are interchangeable, but what you do sometimes is so different than what another employee does. and to ask somebody to help or do this that's not even qualified really. They don't handle uh juvenile cases. Those things I would think would be very specific on regulations.

It's really a challenge. I mean again Scott knows this is that what really happens if Dave and Melissa kind of have an idea but at the end of the day, you know, if there's a substantial gun or drug case on their desk, that's where all want them to spend their time. That's the way it is. And so this overflow wasn't so much a big deal, you know, 15 years ago when it was relatively minor crimes that these children would would have. But now it's those things become more dangerous and and more disturbing. And I guess what's the word I'm looking for? More of a public safety problem. Well, the system's not going to be able to sustain itself forever that way. Just I think it's a sign of the times. It's just when we were kids, these things didn't exist. So we only got in little troubles. these kids are out and can cause major accidents. Yeah.

And uh I I think it's just something that we need to address with guns

going forward that this is the new now these uh juveniles that have access to these motorbikes and scooters and they're not required to have a license. They're not required to have any training. They just jump on them and go. I have a few financial questions like in terms of this request in the budget print. Do you if you hired a full-time person to specialize in juveniles, is there a full-time need or would they be filling some other gap simultaneously or is it a full time all their time? you know, as I explained a second ago is everybody on our team, if there's something that's needed, okay, you might think this is your job, but we're going to do what we have to make things work, right? Um, to answer your question specifically, yeah, I think it's probably something where there would be some other responsibilities in the office that I would want this person to do. Off the top of my head, I think that some of the stuff that would be in court too on some of those probation violations might be a good thing for them to do because my court two people, you know, they'll often times have a case where they'll be, you know, they'll be in court all morning, they'll do pre-trials all morning, they'll take lunch, they'll come back, they'll have probation violations, they'll have to come in and so then they don't have any time to do any case work or prep work because they're literally in court for six hours. Can you say how many juvenile cases you have pending right now?

Pending today. I know today I think we have I don't know about we've gotten 118 referrals as of yesterday and we filed 30 of them. And I was going to say he's another thing he didn't discuss yet is that you've only I think 25% of all juvenile things coming to him is he actually they've actually charged because well that was my next question is okay so if we have a full-time person dedicated that do you see it that currently there are people uh juveniles that aren't charged that should be that would be uh with this new

well obviously it's a speculative question um but to the best of my ability to answer I think so I mean I talked a little bit to our partners in probation And what really has kind of happened forever is that the cases come in and they work with probation initially and they see what kind of informal interventions or whatever can happen and the prosecutor's office probably has not been as involved in that process as what they are. It's always kind of work. So if it's not broke, don't fix it, right? Um, you know, but intuitively it makes me think to myself, frankly, I think there's times when, yeah, I think our office may want to proceed what we call formally, um, a little bit more than what we are presently. There's both like

those charges, are they serious enough that we are detaining more juveniles more days per year than we are currently magistrate? I don't know the answer to that question. That's probation. I I know the I know the issue of detention is one which causes our friends at probation, you know, a lot of anxiety. Um but but at the same time, I mean, what are you going to do?

Well, and that's that's why I asked because I'm not saying that if that's the right thing to do, it's not the right thing to do. I just want to make sure that when we talk about how much, you know, a change cost, that if it means at a hundred some dollars a day per juvenile, we are detaining more juveniles per year. Um, not that for financial reasons we don't we shouldn't do that, but we just need to budget appropriately if that's what it amounts to. And the other question on that is, do we have detained juveniles that would be detained on our dollar for a shorter time frame because they have someone more actively working their case and moving it through a process? I mean, is there an offset there?

Well, it's a good question. I mean, and and the answer is it's it's a little bit too speculative to give you a defendant. I mean, it would stand a reason we'd be in a little bit better place to push on some things. Um, one of the things that happens in juvenile cases is, you know, in adult cases, your case could be set for trial and as you know, we talked about those trials may occur in 70 days. It may occur in 370 days. Just kind of depends on a lot of factors. you know, in juvenile land, you're supposed to have a factf finding, which is the the wording for a trial for juvenile cases within about 30 days, okay? You know, and and so on our parallegal team, you've got to do all the redactions and all the stuff on the video on a much condensed timeline. Now, the dirty little secret is is that, okay, we know and defense knows that we're not probably really going to do that trial that day. And so it is true that, you know, those will be continued a fair amount of the time because we're going to kind of maybe hope that this situation will get better. Hope's not the best strategy, but that's kind of what what truly happens in those system. I mean, you shaking your head, Scott, because you've seen it happen before. Um, and so it does stand to reason that yeah, we probably would be in a better position to maybe push cases to resolution a little bit more aggressively if we had more resource. I would think so, but I'm not sure. uh for the public and for everybody else up here, Kent Fizz was talking to me briefly and and uh what we were talking about is that yes, a juvenile magistrate is scheduled to come on board in the summer of 2027 and and we have a budgeted item already this year for it, but which you're not going to use, but we'll be using it next year.

Yeah. And I I was just trying to figure out how this leads into that or if we have to do this if we have to build up to the magistrate since we don't have anything with juvenile now. period. I was just trying to figure out if this is a benefit for us before that happens or he's talking about the 27 budget for these. Well, I know, but we next year we'll have the magistrate cost probably. Probably. So, that means we'll have a a court for it separate from what we're doing right now. Well, I don't know. It it would not be a separate court. It'd be like under circuit or superior one and that magistrate would cover those cases. cover those cases and not the intermix.

Do you have numbers for these positions in front of you? I thought we did. Also, the commissioners I believe approved these two positions last year. So, we said no last year. So, that's something to remember. Although, if you want him to go back to commissioners again, we can ask him to do it again this year. They approve everything, Scott. I know, but I'm just I'm just letting you know they did that before.

Yeah. And I guess I it sounds to me like this is sometime uh something that we probably need to do, but we've already for the 27 budget approved uh five people for the security of downtown. We've already approved um four people for the recovery program and we're probably out of money. You can look at the numbers. the numbers on there which is not yours to read it. That's our problem. One was 99, one was 53. Okay. In presenting your case. That's annually. Okay. I want to see the other one. Not to deter you from

before just for the minutes. Could someone read out the the numbers here? Here I I'll read it out for the Okay. For the minutes. Uh what is pass being passed around is a request a new employee. the the attorney amount expense would be a total of 99,834 which include FICA and Perf and then uh the parallegal amount uh including FICA salary FIC and Perf would be $53,482.50.

I'd like to say that I am not interested in comparing hires in other offices to an office that is showing a need as well. It just shows that maybe that office got there first. So having that already verbally committed to doesn't affect the fact that this is still maybe a a pressing need and that I'm very open to the idea of this because it's just it's it's the times. It's where we live and we need to establish something to push these juvenile cases through with us doing the best we can do to make that happen. That's what I think.

Yeah. And the juvenile crimes are increasing. The severity is increasing. That's that's a big issue. It's not like like Brent said earlier that uh people are just going and stealing the little candy bar or something at the store. These are when we've got I'm not I'm not going into specifics, but I've met with the probation department. We we talked about they're going to be they're going to be need more money because of the expenses uh of these juveniles already in the system. They're already being done.

You're getting more cases, you know, frankly, to cut to the chase. as you get more cases of the kind of behavior you described. You also get more cases of young people having, you know, firearms sometimes with with switches on them occasionally. Then you also get situations where children are violent in a home. I mean, lacked out and they'll attack violently attack other family members. I mean, and you get situations like that. I understand, you know, that we don't really like putting kids in detention, but if they're being violent to a, you know, a place where people in their own home don't feel safe, you got to do something. And where do we place juveniles presently? I believe it's in Muny. Yeah, they I know they do Anderson. She's here, but um you can describe it.

We have a contract with Madison County. Um currently um occasionally a juvenile can be kicked out of that program. We have a juvenile Hamilton County, but typically we use Madison County Madison County.

I was just thinking that uh if we can process these cases a little more efficiently, that would possibly be less money spent on housing them somewhere waiting to come to uh trial or consensus position. Yeah, exactly. And that would be the goal. and um had to designate a prosecutor working on juvenile that certainly would expedite.

So obviously this was something we would have done last week. There's no motion today. This is something we have to consider. We we get time we got time to consider till July. I also urge everybody I met with the probation department. They they're not asking for new any new employees, but they have some financial requests. I I I invite all of you to go talk to her, whether it be by phone or in person. They're happy to meet with you and talk to you. Um, but that's that's what it is today. It's just a presentation. There's no voting. There's no decision-m, but it needs to be on your radar. And I think the desire is there. Oh, we just got to figure out if the funding is there.

Yeah, I would agree with that. I think uh the sustainability, you know, we've we've had the luxury the last handful of years of things continually coming in, revenues better than expected, and now that we believe that that's going the other way, everything that increases the budget, I think it's more important this year than the last four or five that we when we approve the budget, we really look at the whole cost cumulatively because at some point, you know, we're looking at raising taxes to there somewhere where there's a number where you're raising taxes to pay for it. And I don't think we know exactly how much the budget can go up right now without crossing into that territory. Um but Greg Geratas's last five years sustainability showed um the general fund falling to half of what it five years. And so we really have to have him keep penciling that in and have that in front of us to vote. Even though I'm supportive of, you know, filling this need.

Well, one thing I like about this too is like with the jail when we arrest adults, many of them are not from this county, but I would think most of the juvenile crime would be our own kids from this county. And you know, that would be a a way of taking care of those kids. You want to you can answer that.

Yeah. Um, I don't have the statistics on that, but um, there are many um, juveniles that are from our county, but there also are many that are from Maring County, other counties that come in and and commit serious crimes, violent crimes, gun crimes in our county. Um, and sometimes even out of state. Sometimes they come from out of state, they're in our county, we have to detain them. Um, and then there's a process um, with that. So, is the majority from the from our county? I Okay, I would say yes, but I I'm not prepared to really answer that truthfully.

Yeah. Well, uh because you know the jail, it's the other way around. More out of county than in county. Of course, they commit crimes here. We have to take care of it. But I'm very much a community person. I want to make sure we take care of our people first. Yes. And and we agree with you. Um, even if you have a juvenile committing violent crimes, gun crimes in our county, it's still protecting our county. Sure. And our and our citizens. And it's it's it's juvenile juveniles are difficult. Now, we've all had teenagers, so we we can relate. Yes.

I think Shel's got four. It's just saying, but it's just a reimbursement. Okay. Anything else from anybody on the council? Thanks, Brent. All right. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Next up at 9:30, the GEO bond reimbursement resolution council. By the way, I did review that with Lisa. It's ready to go. Um, if you had a question about whether we would be specific with numbers, we don't need to be for that resolution. This is for $6.8 million.

Well, the the the reason for this, I believe, is that um we're anticipating that we will sell the bond sometime this year. Probably not real soon, but the commissioners want to move ahead with some of the expenses that are listed on the bond. So, this would allow them to use like general fund money and then reimbursees, right? Because they they want to fix a courthouse now. Well, one of the big projects is windows and we need to do that before winter. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah. It's like $1.6 million just for

windows and doors at the courthouse. They want to do it this summer. Yeah. What's the resolution number? Resolution number will be 2025. Whoops. 26-5-3. Yes. Was it that the other one? No, the other one was B. Oh, B. B3. I'll make a motion to approve the county council resolution number 2026-5-3 declaration of intent to reimburse expenditures. I'll second it.

All right. I have a motion and a second to approve Hancock County Council resolution number 2026-5-3 titled declaration of official intent to reimburse expenditures. Any discussion? Not hearing any. All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Same sign. Motion carries. All right. Action items. Budget meeting update. Leaving. Um Oh, yeah. Mr. Fist needs to leave at 9:30. So, um it's all voting. You may be you do the budget update. Thank you guys. See you. See you. K.

We reviewed all of the funds and found them to be okay. We set up a regional sewer revolving fund. Uh agreed to pursue proceed with the 20 26 go bond that was 6.8 million. Uh we presented uh the outline of a five-year capital plan. Myself and uh Keley and Gary are going to get together on the 18th to update it so that at the budget meeting we'll have an updated capital plan. 20 27 budget instructions were agreed to. There will be a 3% general raise with department heads um can allocate it. Elected officials get uh 3% except the part-time elected officials get 1,500 not the 3%. And a statement will be given that no new positions will be considered. Health departments considering uh continuing the funding for one navigator. I don't think we've heard back from yet.

They're waiting to have a board meeting. Yeah, they haven't. Oh, okay. Uh FSG was hired to organize the must group. Had a drone presentation. Jackson's have agreed. Well, we know that. So, that's it. One thing I wanted to clarify um on that 3%, you know, increase on county salaries is we did not get into the weeds on that there are certain position types in the county that their salaries are set by the state.

Uh I was not clear if when we said 3% those positions were assumed included or excluded. Ident like I one of them was up here just a moment ago on probation. I think it's going to be a case by case. I think we I think she's going to ask for the 3%. So I invite all of you to talk to her and to see if that's what she's going to ask for. Um that was my recommendation to her. But you know that that's that's for all of us to decide the seven of us to decide not

other than the prosecutor, the sheriff. Are there other departments with multiple employees who have that? I think that's the only one except for the high-ups like um you know the public defender's office that's controlled uh because they have to match the prosecutor's office which is set by the state the sheriff's set the judges are set the judges have mentioned before I don't know if they'll do it but they could increase their amount from 5,000 to 10,000 paid by us I think that's the cap is 10 grand I'm not positive I Mr. banky check on it. Um but but uh that's a possibility. They've not mentioned they'll do it, but and then there's probation officers, but community corrections is not No, that's No, no, no. They're not going to say

the the uh probation officers. Um we know they uh have gotten raises uh except this year 26. Apparently, they did not get a mandatory raise really, but but they get our uh raise. But for 27 maybe uh by the time we get to the budget hearing we will know whether the state is going to enforce a mandatory raise for them or not. Then we could decide do we based on what we know then yes

my my understanding is they're not going to do it. Um so it's interesting how it works and you talk to her but I'll me briefly mention but they set a set rate a minimum. We are 3,000 above it is all we are. There's other and that's weird to have a number. Most of the other counties do percentages. So there are counties out here that are 50 to 100% above it. Um what they do at the state. I mean they're really high. But but I think it'll be interesting. That's why I said it's going to be interesting to talk to her. I told her to collect some data from other counties near us. Some that are comparable in size so that we know what everybody else is doing so we could be comparable and keep the good employees we have.

Scott, question for you. Do you know when the state comes out each year and dictates what they dictate, is it you must be paying at least X dollars a year or is it you must increase year-over-year by this percentage regardless of what if you were already paying over? My understanding it's a it's a minimum salary and it's and there's different levels. There's lots of levels to it, too. So, somebody can jump from one level to another, but then they're set at that level for several years. I can't remember. She told me the exact number of years, but but I can't remember off the top of my head. I think I'd asked the auditor about it. I think she found a 7.8% increase in 2024, a 3% in 2025, nothing in 2026, and we don't know yet on 2027.

Yeah. And that and that's because there are a lot the state can say they're they all get a 10% raise and we're stuck with it. And that and and of course that can eat and they're going to look into another question I had, which is so we're above three grand. Can if they give us next year a 10% raise, could we bring that three grand down to zero? Do you see what I'm saying? And so that we're exactly what because we were already over, right? We're already over. So they're going to look into that. That was one question I asked them to to look into for me.

Anything else on the budget meeting update? Oh, okay. Again, I I have a question. Sure. When you started your um review of the budget, you said something about establishing a fund for this. Was it for the sewer? I don't know that we have established a fund. I just want to make sure revolving fund the sewer sewer revolving fund. I don't for that. We have not established a fundar. There was a check from ninear. There was a check but nobody established that fund yet and we've been telling them they need to Oh well the commissioners have to I guess the fund and we we said we want it. Yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

All right. Any other questions on that? So, you put that on their agenda. It we It's been on It's on there. Okay. Thank you. All right. Action item number two, approve minutes for April 8, 2026. Is there any issues with the minutes? I'll entertain a motion. If there's not, so moved. Second. All right. I have a motion to and a second to approve Hank County Council minutes for April 8, 2026. All those in favor say I. I. I. Any oppose? Same side. Anybody abstain? All right. Motion carries. Number three, auditor business.

I do have a couple of things. Um the first thing is we have um the nine star connect um invoice which back on April 10th the council agreed to pay for $20,250 for grinder pumps for this is for the the surrounding Maxwell area

but um the the bill that we received included the grinder pumps of $20,250 but it also includes $58,5 500 um and a $1,500 early bird. Well, I guess that would be a credit. So, it's a total of $80,250 that we need to know that we can pay and where we're paying it from.

Uh we um we passed uh we we agreed to that. We passed it. I think we said uh food and beverage, but that's been so long ago that uh took them so long to get that done. But it's for the four uh people on 200 West. Okay. The the grinder pump Mary just reminded me and she included in the minutes. It's from um the lit economic development, was it? Okay. It was. So would you like us to pay that from there and the remainder portion of this from food and beverage? I'd say keep it in economic development. I do too. Yeah, keep it. It's a cleaner. We can keep track easier. Do

you need a motion or anything on that? That would be great. I'll entertain a motion. Thank you. Second. All right. I have a motion, a second by um Mr. Shelby and Miss Butram. Okay. And all those in favor say I. I. I. All oppose. Same sign. Our motion carries. Thank you. And the the other thing I have is we're going to have um Mary's going to do a little update of our timeline for the upcoming budgets. She's going to be pushing this out today, but then we've got some timelines that we need to hit

to have that ready. But what we were just talking about earlier, we're going to be doing your the budget meeting. So, yeah, we'd like to push the budget packet out today. They'll be the budgets will all be due back beginning of June so that we can have the books ready for your June council meeting so that you in turn have time to look through them from June to July because the second week in July will be holding the budget hearings for 2027. And you are including in that, Mary, I think, a um uh request that each department uh submit a five-year capital plan. Yes, that's correct. along with their 27 budget.

We'd like to make a special note that we on the time frame that we have, we will be shutting down and this can be included in the minutes our budget projections because we have historically always had someone that's late and then we have to redo our books, reinsert, try to get you the updated information. So, our deadline is going to be our deadline. So, if anybody has any questions, they can reach out to us. We're more than happy to to work with them, but we still need to have that in order to be able to prepare our books and get them to you in a timely fashion. So, noted in minutes. Yes. Yeah. That has been burdensome in the past when you're swapping out pages at the last minute. It's

well, if they're going to be an office department head or an elected official, it's just part of the job and they got to pencil the time in if they want to be considered on any raises or supplement income to that fund along the way. I I agree wholeheartedly. We just continue to get bigger and bigger and and and it's there's more and more. So, we just need those deadlines met. Anything else you want me to put you on the spot for, Mary? I I'll I'll pay for that later. She just likes to surprise me. She knows all this.

All right. Agenda item number four, salary ordinance amendment, community corrections case manager. This is this somebody have to bring me back up to speed. Is this a new position we discussed? I think the other new position was approved last month. The additional appropriation was approved last week. Now we just need to get them in the salary ordinance. Okay. Now, what's what's the ordinance number? It will be 2026-5C. All right. Any discussion? Go ahead, Robin.

Well, I I just wanted to point out, and you tell me if I'm wrong, auditor. Um, that this is the one that the grant is going to pay for it. Or is that for next year? The grant's going to pay for it except for benefits. This will be coming out of project income, right? Which is the grant. No, it's not. That's right. Project income and not a grant. So, this is something they're going to do later. This other one, I'm not aware of another position. Well, they were talking about there was something that the grant would fund, but we had to pay the benefits the commissioners do. I'm not sure. That's not this one.

That Yeah, that's what I thought this position was. I think it's this position that the grant is going to pay it, but we do have to do the benefits. They No, I mean, they asked for an additional appropriation in project income, which is not a grant. There may be another position talking about later, but definitely not this one because we discussed that we'd have to pay the benefits on it. Do well this is this has been advertised the additional one

I I thought this was one position the salary was coming out of their uh fee base but because there would be a county employee their benefits would come out of Yeah that's what I thought I thought yeah Penny just Penny Hunt just text me and confirmed this is for project income this is not a grant position But the money is coming out of their but we do yes the money is coming out of their project do the benefits so it'll come out commissioners yes it it will come out of commissioners the benefits or yeah I can't yeah we've got it right here

okay any more discussion on this item you're all perplexing whether which way to vote I We'll have to have a motion. It's an ordinance. Oh, I thought you had a motion. No, no, I haven't I don't have an or a motion yet, I don't think. Unless Unless it mysteriously happened and I didn't hear it and I apologize. I'll second it. He All right. So, I have a motion and a second. Mr. Shelby with the motion. M Louderder with the second to approve County Council of Hancock County, Indiana ordinance number 2026-5C pertaining to the case manager and community corrections. Any discussion? All those in favor say I.

I. Any oppose? Same sign. Motion carries 6. Thank you. All right. And then the next thing we have would be, is there anybody scheduled for a public comment besides the one we already did? Okay. Anything else from the council? I just had a comment. Uh,

go ahead. Robin and I have followed through with the updates that were uh suggested for the uh David application and I have it all typed and I'm going through a proofreading process to make sure that everything that we stated was actually incorporated into the the form and uh my goal is to get this form to the auditor's office by Monday morning and then it can be forwarded on to HDC or whomever. Uh so if if conversation comes up, I'm hoping that with new future abatement applications, they will be on the new form and it will be available in the auditor's office Monday.

Feel differently. Anyone feel differently?

Okay. Any other comments by the council? Uh the only thing I would say was um Gemini did talk with uh Hancock Health and heard really positive comments. You remember Galahue pulled out of Hancock County and Aspire came in. um we they're required to allocate money each year to that service and Hancock Health spoke very highly of how that integration is going with Aspire and their services that uh we required that we've been required to pay for for a long time and so I wanted everybody to know that I thought that was very positive. Feels like there's she there but

if there's any if there's any other comments from councel if not um I'd entertain a motion to adjurnn. So moved second. All those in favor say I. I. I. But where sh