City Council - Regular Meeting

on it for this year. I'll get you that, too. So, uh, if everybody's okay, we're going to let Denise do her thing before everybody else so she can get back on the road tonight. I know she would like to stay three or four hours, but we won't make her. Whenever you're ready, ma'am. No, you're good. Was it Terry's fault? Oh, okay. I was in [snorts] error. He keeps holding his hand. I can't believe that first of all. Thank you. Yeah, now that it's on record. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am.

Thank you, Denise. Those that do not knowen someone who does a lot.

Okay, sit down, Terry. Harrisc, [snorts] build, secure and maintain infrastructure. That's our job. We don't [snorts] provide soft that runs your process. make sure that everything runs stably down. That's our job. Every year we try to give you a little bit information. The topic is scale security cost and when I say scale [snorts] is about making sure that your technology meets your needs today. something security is critical for obvious reasons and cost small business in that same boat. [snorts] Technology supports everything.

city infrastructure mainten [clears throat] making making sure that anything to [snorts] scale up and you're not compromising. Those are in 2026. Small businesses, small municipalities across the country are focused on manageable solutions and they need those solutions to leverage up and technology. [snorts] They need to be able to improve digital equity for their citizens. And by that I mean cities want to be able to essentiate [snorts] that contribute to scale so that you can achieve your goals in an efficient manner. And so I want to talk about everyone [clears throat] trying to make sure they don't like

the categories that are going to focus technology discussions in 2026 include hosted applications [snorts] that are affordable and that let them accomodate

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has looked at how they connect their buildings together plant street department even on this piece of property these buildings are not connected [clears throat] How do you let your director get? So the city invested in [clears throat] many years ago that targeted small businesses. So [snorts] it does it in a very efficient allows you to do low cost internet services to accomplish that. So you have invested this [snorts] integrated housed. [clears throat] So you may not think about it, but the first example [clears throat] is [snorts] fire station door access. That's not a computer. It's a thing. Phones are things you know radio call if that's what you chose. So you things

artificial intelligence. I know there was a resolution submitted council months ago to approve the government intelligence used to embrace this embraced it and that's fantastic. That governance policy has allowed you to establish a standard for your city employees and that's going to facilitate things like less time data analysis automation of routine tasks so people are not sitting there opening spreadsheets documents etc you have established baseline artificial intelligence your cyber security you started years [snorts] ago

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to have the best protection and I'm going [snorts] to say regardless of cost not because it's expensive but because you do not want [clears throat] your citizens addressed So you solutions. So today you have an integrated framework solutions that protects the city. It protects the computers. It protects the internet. It protects the email. It provides businesses recovery. I have backups. list of things that you have. And again, all of those are quality products. They are not pay. One of the products that you really proud of is a product from Hunress. [snorts] Hundreds is a veteranowned company by military [snorts] cyber security experts [clears throat] and their mission is to provide protection to you from ransomware attacks at the same level. At the same level, our federal government [snorts]

and it protects you very well. Digital infrastructure connectivity [clears throat] [snorts] is the only provider in city. We would love to see communications but building out the infrastructure [snorts] every day. Look at what's here. market. So [clears throat] [snorts] there's technology rights. So if there's anybody

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We are not the final word on it. We base recommendations on places like the CIS and the CISA [snorts] federal agencies. But we saw during the legislative audit that And so we requested the city after that they have done so they met first time [snorts] and we've already seen the benefits of that governance polic

[clears throat] They were instrumental inviating disaster recovery plan so that it focuses on how do you do the city hall because you got the city covered what do you [snorts]

services responsibilated. [snorts] The third page are some recommendations. These are not budget items. These are recommendations that we are requesting to consider. [clears throat]

system. It was a great solution when it first came in because it was one of the first companies that offered to small but they have not [snorts] maintained it. difficult to use the needs of the city right now. You have people who don't want to use their company rather computer. difficult to do what you got. So we have started the evaluation process and that's the first item they met today. that particular vendor's solution costs less than what you got now and it's a it's a more friendly easier to use and it will let you do those things. So we would like to evaluate the solution. [snorts] There are some

probably [snorts] [clears throat] evaluation when that contract [clears throat and cough] renewal in May or June. We would like to request that they quote you at some of your location and see [snorts] what we can do. I've seen things right now. [snorts] So it's a good time to be asking what they do for you. So I'd like to I'd like to have that conversation. Your backup solution is in the cloud. You have [snorts] a emergency backup solution that resides on premise. The purpose of that is everything's down. It's going to [snorts] be down and I need my [clears throat] building [snorts] [clears throat] your router connect city hall and all these other campuses which is in October 20.6 We've listed the price in your budget that we've also included the price of what is referred to as a telework units. It establishes a secure connection between a laptop and your network so that all your inver [snorts] that person is protected as they

[clears throat] So it is an expensive way to ensure that a workst [snorts]

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$61 for the year. But the city's machine is still running Windows 10, but it has support. So coming into 2026, the machine [clears throat] will reach the age where it appears. If you don't replace it, you will [snorts] renew that security. Those are our recommendations. All of them except the cost of solution [snorts] [clears throat] separated from the things that you already consider. On the last page of this summary services,

what else did you have? Seven categories, but I only see six here. [clears throat] That's also his fault. I think that is Terry's fault. [laughter]

Well, thank [clears throat] you, sir. Well, it's only [laughter] [clears throat] If you think about it, Charlie, it's kind of only fitting, right? That's a compliment, so did it sound like a compliment? Didn't sound like you guys considering the voice. What's over today? They did a demo. What? What? Uh, have I been yelling this whole time?

Can you start over? What What What program are you guys looking at? The product they looked at today is from a company called Snapcom. They are out of St. Louis, Missouri. Snapcom, St. Louis, Missouri. Okay. We use one called Yeah, there's lots of them. Ring Central via Verizon has their own solution. Um I knew you had a reason. Yeah, there's there's dozens of them out there. [clears throat] You got to know what you don't want.

The thing with so when we recommend companies that [clears throat] we're looking at we're looking at feature offers an amazing related [snorts] [clears throat and cough] [snorts] need. That is, you know, your dependence onend [clears throat] [snorts] [snorts] He's [clears throat] got price without changing anything.

Denise, [snorts] [clears throat] out of your recommendations, what do you look at the the most critical [snorts]

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ISA [clears throat] by means manufactur. And then next it's connectic her worksted support.

Look how critical she is. [laughter] She just deleted you. support and I failed. You probably said it a couple times. All five of these are in the budget as we speak. [clears throat]

Okay. He does a great job of it. I don't know how he presents it, but I know he does.

Yes. So recommended is that section [clears throat] one of the things that we don't have on our list but I still see up there and this is old business. It's still about the cabling in this building and [snorts] the fact that that used to be the police department and that this nearly touches this the roof. So, the cabling has had a lot of pulling and tugging and rearranging and it's not always stable over there,

but that was a big number when we looked at having to reable things last year. We not address some of that or no. Wi-Fi access points have started being replaced or were were replaced um back the last holiday that you before Christmas that you were before Thanksgiving that you were closed. Dave was here by himself and I was a nervous wreck the whole day because there was nobody here but him up in the roof.

Um but there's still cable connections in the wall over there that are just not they might be good today and they might not be good this afternoon. I would suggest that you want to take some bids. I don't know what the dollar amount is that you're required to take bids, but there are several good cable companies [clears throat] that could come in and tell you what their opinion is and what that cost would be. Um, and that would be a great way to look at that.

That's cabling. That's cabling. It is.

Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat]

And that's why I really think getting some of those cable contractors to come in and look at it. I mean, we we are infrastructure people, but we do not pull cabling. That's not our area of expertise. You provide those recommendations. There's companies that we work with that that we can give you the names of, but we are not poured in concrete with them. Right.

Provide that to Daniel or Tommy or what is that connect? We have access because [clears throat] I don't know that that like I don't I don't recognize tech connect.

Gotcha. Dave would have recognized it. Questions for Denise. Especially Terry. Especially Terry. Yeah. You talk about like, you know, manage detection and response times or fishing simulations or [laughter] different different fishing.

Well, I know you're we're not finished, but thank you for the presentation. Thank you for the service that we continue to get and it's very everybody in the building acknowledges that it's awesome. Even Terry, so I'd like to make sure. Let's just be very honest. Dave Fulgum is awesome. Dave is Dave is awesome. We We thought we lost the old donut thing, but he's back. He's back. Yeah. Can you expand the acronym DCR there? Diversified Computer Resources. Okay, that's Inc. period. them. That's them. Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure I understood. I'm I'm acronym challenged. That's not

There was a There was a Don't [laughter] even Don't take opportunities that you need to I know 26 27 years ago. There was a lot of argument, fussing, and discussing went into picking that name. Um I don't know. I don't know if that I don't know if the blood, sweat, and tears was worth the length of the name, but we we lovingly refer to ourselves as DCR. Okay, I got it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Terry and Terry

and Dave. Don't Dave, [clears throat] what could be Terry could be? Did you? Taco. Taco Terry. Taco Terry.

Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, we will move on. We have contracts here to go over. Bob, you already did your thing, didn't you? Well, don't make sure I didn't forget that. So, you have copy of the contracts on your desk uh to review and make a new. I guess Kenny's here with Boys and Girls Club. Uh I don't think anybody's asked for an increase. Everything's the same.

I I got a qu I should know this. The The amount of funding to the Boys and Girls Club is not actually in the contract. Is that Huh? Did I not see it? Anybody seeing a number? It's on number three. Huh? Number three. On the signature sheet, it's on the back page. Number three, oh, okay. Sorry, I overlooked it. sir. [laughter] Well, mine

mine says 21. Is that right? [laughter] Hey, Tom, will you remind me do these do the funds come directly? They come from the city sales and use tax or how where do these funds come up the top? Well, for all [clears throat] of these contracts, I mean, all different. Should they directly from county. Okay. So, should should they be from county or should they be from the city? Should they be

So, transfer.

So my question is The only one that's not coming. So I mean is it most appropriate from county taxes or should it be some from somewhere else? [clears throat] Thank you, Denise.

Well, you know, um I said was was the uh u the retirement center at one time taken from the not [clears throat] [snorts] budget. So what we got this year [clears throat] two items and that's the 9100 [snorts] million. So there's 9100. [clears throat] What you do is [snorts] start So it's just remain [clears throat] an issue. But it

possibly [snorts] like you said, you're also putting pressure on the general fund. Additional pressure on the general fund which we're below well below million dollars but the general fund has I think been running as a surplus I think over the years too.

Surplus has been declining because of the demand. While we're pondering, Kenny, you want to speak on behalf of this contract? Appreciate. [clears throat] First, I want to tell y'all thank you for everything y'all have done for us in the past, the present, and the future. Uh,

we have not asked for an increase. I think we started this probably 15 years ago. We've never asked for an increase. We've asked for some help outside to to do uh things around the ballpark to improve it. Uh we just uh transferred to a new system that the National Boys and Girls Club wants us to have. We have 1333 members here in Greenwood. We provide all the sports except for the pitbull football and and of course the volleyball. We don't have the volleyball, but we have the kids. If y'all been out there, you've seen all the kids. All this money is directly going to them. And as times have cut because things have been tough, federal government, there's a good chance this year that the National Boys and Girls Club, who we pay in this last year, they got cut. They gave us 11,000. The Congress has not passed anything for TANH this year or I'm sorry, OJP. OJP. Uh Tanith, they slashed it. That's from the state of Arkansas. In fact, we're not getting anything from them this year. I think we qualified for 2,000. That's it. So, this money right here is is a must for us. It's a must for the kids in Greenwood. We have done uh we've been out there since 1973 when HB Stewart started it out out at the club. We survived the [clears throat] good years, the bad years. Doug being the director for 10 years, you know, me being out there for 20 plus years, and we we wouldn't be here. If y'all wouldn't have stepped in 15, 18 years ago, that place would be closed down. It's because of y'all that helped us get through the times and we appreciate it. But that money right there goes

directly. We we've taken every uh suggestion y'all have made from starting a charge and going up on after school. I think that was you Mr. AC brought that up. And to run it like a business and we have So do y'all have any questions, concerns about about the contract? It's not about contract. Is your is your United Way I think I keep hearing that's depleting every year with everybody, right? Yes. You getting anything? We are getting some. Oh, I know. No, we appreciate what they give us, too. I'm sure I don't want to say I mean I know things are tough. I mean, it started back in '08.

I mean, I bet when you were there and everything, it was like 60,000, but then when World Pool and everything started shutting down, everything has has decreased. I'm sure the membership is kind of continued to grow just like it. It has. Like I said, we got 1333 members. Out of that number, it's 24% of them that are scholarship in free, you know, and we'd like, you know, of course, we'd like that number to be zero for everybody could afford it, but we don't turn people down. Your after school program continues, too. You nothing's been changed. You're still [clears throat] offering all that.

We offer all that. The afterchool program is pretty much self-sufficient. So that's the reason this money here goes directly to what our contract is for or I think it's now just kind of general. It used to be dedicated all to the athletics. [snorts] And if you think about what it would cost to build that place, have a manager over it, upkeep it, utilities, insurance, and everything. It's a great deal for the city. We appreciate what you do. Well, we appreciate y'all. Can't believe you've been there 20 years. Not too smart.

I'm kid. Louisiana LSU education. And we kept left smiles for 12 years. I think questions, gentlemen. Kenny, you know, just I thanks for my kids loved it all going through. All three of my kids just ate that stuff up. Yeah. And that's what's great good about being there long. Sooner or later, Mr. Mer will be out there as a grandparent like most. I mean, obviously, [laughter] dangon sooner than later. No, I'm not like soon. I'm talking five if I'm still alive. Five, 10 years like that. [laughter]

But that's that's the greatest thing. I mean, Doug, you see it people that you that grew up out there and what they did. So, and we really appreciate it. Uh, we're starting a robotics class program out there that this year. That's a new thing along with our cooking classes. So, I mean, we're trying to to help these kids as much as we can. Awesome. I And you know how I feel. The sport the sports is amazing. We always had fun. We always had nightmares, but we had fun with sports as you do, right? But that after school program is huge. It it it is big and especially nowadays you hear [clears throat] the numbers of kids that are being diagnosed with everything and it is it is out

there's a lot I know when I was there the term was latch key kids you know that didn't have a place to stay after school right if they were they were home alone and all that stuff so yeah and that's what would happen if something would ever happen to that where we would have 90ome kids going home without somebody more one more question you still running buses or a bus or or something. Uh this the school supplies two school or two bus routes, same school they go and then we have a uh and I need to get this right. Uh a special bus I think is what the terminology that comes out there also. Yeah. Excellent. Thank you, Kenny. Appreciate you. Keep up the good work.

Thank you. You are what makes Greenwood feel like home. There you go. [laughter] Except for the LSU thing. Bob, you want you want to speak on behalf of the econ economic development question. [clears throat]

Okay. [clears throat] Thank you, sir. Well, we appreciate what you're doing on all this election and all that too. So, thank you. Sure. Any questions on any others here, gentlemen? The shelter is the same. Sorry. The dog. Yep. Yep. That's the same. Yes. As before.

Yes. And we're still very very chief's not here to say, but we're very very satisfied with what goes on out there. They do a great job and take care of the animals and and great workship relationship with our new animal control. Sorry, she's not animal control. What is she? Animal service. Animal service.

Oh yeah, right. Did we Is that kind of highlighted where we did that? Where it's No, I didn't. Okay. Obviously with the with the new building that the city owns, it's a little different. We're maintaining it. We're doing everything. We were doing kind of that anyway, but we're certainly doing it different out there because it's ours. Uh I don't know what else what would what did we specific Yeah,

that's not that anymore. Where would you say that is? Oh, this contract hand out or

Okay. Yeah. Right. Right. That's the reason I thought we actually did some verbage change and we didn't.

Well, so we're kind of stying on the rent thing. I if I ever told council. I think I think we mentioned it one night. So, according to our insurance folks, right? Oh, okay. Oh, really?

Yeah. So, as I wanted to rent the make the building available to rent for things, birthday parties, whatever. We were kind of going full go on that and think and trying to figure out how much the rent should be, what [clears throat] we should charge per hour or with with the kitchen, without the kitchen, all that good stuff. And then we kind of got word I guess through Charlotte and Zach that you couldn't because then when he would have to pay property tax and did that would that would that offset that? Would we make any money or would be going in by renting it? So how's the difference with the from the pavilion? Yeah, there is a difference in the pavilion. What is it?

There's a difference in the pavilion being rented. I forgot what it is. Nobody's using building,

right?

On the pavilion, it may be green light and we can do it. Let's let's make sure because I want to do that. I think it's time to last time and I talked I don't see how that's any different than Yeah, I think it's the fact that nobody stays in the pavilion unless it is I I raised the question myself here. [clears throat]

There's also different things with that kitchen because the health department comes into play, too. That's a whole scenario, too. Yeah, but I don't think that that's property tax stuff. That's not We have to watch on what we let people Oh, I know that that's the reason I was saying we were discussing is the will we even make the kitchen available? Will we just rent it out as a as a the room or or if you do and that's an insurance question, I would assume more than anything, right? How does the insurance feel about renting the kitchen with stoves and deep health department? I don't think we could rent out the kitchen anyways from one conversation.

Really? Yes. [clears throat] [snorts] So, is the health department over the senior citizen? No, they they would they would inspect the kitchen. Yes. because there's prepared food being prepared. I have the explanation. Okay. Hey, listen. It's an easier pill to swallow if you want to call it that by not allowing the kitchen to be used because you never have to worry about it.

Zach says to answer your question, the difference between the two properties and scenarios is based on the predominant use of the properties. While ownership is somewhat helpful, it's the main use of the property which truly provides the exemption from the property tax. The park's main use is being set up as an open public space and the pavilion that is present and able to be rented out is considered an incidental non-conforming use. This is further demonstrated as in most cases the pavilion is rented out at a nominal or less than market rate which is put back into its upkeep, utility costs, etc. The same would go for the senior center. It would still qualify for the exemption if it's at predominant use if its predominant use was being used as a public place open to everyone and owned by a local municipality. The renting of rooms would be an incidental or occasional straying from the intended use, but the property would still qualify since the main purpose was public property utilized as such. So in other words, we can still rent it out if we give everybody equal opportunity. Whereas if the fire station the fire station is only one specific forprofit type ventures, we would we can still get our property exemption and rent the senior center out.

Okay. As long as we give everybody the choice. We can't just pick and choose who gets to, you know, other as we do not the pavilion. Yeah. We don't. And so public use again as always the public use. So the answer is we can we can we can still have so happens that [clears throat] well that's why I'm bringing it up is because if it is and we do agree that we need to rent it we need to put that revenue you know in the budget and figure out a cost it sure yeah that's the reason we stopped because we were kind of thought I had shared this

we definitely need to to um use that space in as many different ways as we possibly can. I know that there was inquiry about using as a polling center. That didn't that didn't happen. But but that's an opportunity to show that everybody's able to use it. Right. Right. I I actually allowed a nonprofit to utilize we didn't charge rent and I I let the uh who was it? Ro

Roundup Club use it recently for a end of the year thing. They cooked outside on their grill and just had their party in there. Yeah, I can see where, you know, we don't allow the kitchen use because of the, you know, health department and reason. Yes, they do. It currently does not have a lockable door, but that's easy to remedy on that kitchen. And there there is only one interior door going to the kitchen. So, that would be easy enough. And without the kitchen, it's really a nice party room with a pool table and exercise room as if you're going to exercise at your party. Well, right now the the pavilion doesn't have a stove, does it? It just has a refrigerator. So,

I mean, we could allow people to use the refrigerator just like we allow them to use the Well, you're you could, but it's all in the kitchen. So, you [snorts] just have to take that chance. You got a gas stove that any kid could come in and push the button. [cough and clears throat] It's a lot of money in there. But just like the roundup, I mean, you know, people they cater in, they set up tables and, you know, the only I I was over there to let them in because they locked oursel out. So I had to go over there and open the door, let them back in. And the only thing they were in the kitchen wrapping potatoes to put back out on the grill. So and they cooked steaks and didn't let us know. Huh? You didn't let us know. I didn't I didn't even get a steak.

He offered me a steak. He said, "If you come back by, you get a steak." Well, when I came back by, there were there were no parking places left in there. Period. So I thought I'm not going in there with a bunch of hungry people. So not had that big meeting all year long, huh? Oh, really? Yeah, they Yeah, it was packed. There you go. It was packed. But I agree. I The building needs to be utilized as much as possible by or available. And same way we feel about the pavilion. You know, originally when that pavilion was built, it wasn't necessarily a wedding venue. It was a for all. That's how we got a grant for it. The pavilion made 52,000 last year, right?

Yeah. Well, I don't know for sure, but I haven't looked at that in a while. Well, it was on Casey's report, was it? Okay. Last night that it was 52,000. And I will tell you as many and there are a few venues around. I mean, the bank is available. The the loft the the loft now has a new building out there for the bachelor's guys, which is cool. Saw that the other night. And then you got Chateau. Uh, as many as there are, people are still looking because they've got all these different sizes of parties. Not everybody wants the the pavilion even because it's huge and all that. But perfect for a wedding. But

anyway, 59 59 rental. Oh, the the little ones. little ones. So, I got to say something if I may just for kicks. I don't know why if you all remember most of you that at one time somebody told us that that will never Dale Gabard. Thank you. And he was and if it if it wasn't boarded up in six months and I could go slap him in the face.

Yeah. Slap him. There's a lot of interest on that now after 20some years. So anyway, yeah, thanks. I wasn't going to mention any name, but I don't mind mentioning him his name. Yeah, I mean, he thought he literally said it's going to be boarded up in in cobwebs. So, number one. Yeah, like I told Roger, I was already number one anyway, so [laughter] might as well. Might as well. Yeah. [clears throat] So, what needs added to the contract? You know, is it 10,000 for [snorts]

Oh, regarding [clears throat] utility. Oh, okay. Just the 24,000. [clears throat] Uh the contract, that's a separate there's a contract that refers to them. us keeping them their business going.

It's pretty pretty vague and broad. So, I' I've come to council over the years a couple of times going, "What do you think if they don't have a truck to deliver meals, they're not doing what they're supposed to that's? That's not what they're not able to perform." So, we have maintained their vehicles. Uh, not completely because Lisa knows to she knows to call and ask and she does, but she also knows to use as much of the funds she has coming from other places, county, whoever. It says on here and maint

So we're striking that. I mean, we're going to pay the utilities on our building. It's not just And I haven't I haven't checked with Tom. I I needed to, I guess, but It is what it is. But I'm I'm assuming those utilities are somewhat better out there. Okay. I assume that because Yeah. I mean, it's

electricity. Yeah. Right. and

just maintenance maintenance. has this health and wellness always been here. We'll purchase exercise equipment.

Yes. Well, it's always been in the contract. Is it for us to buy it? Is that what you're reading? Well, we're talking about insurance. They have to have exercise equipment according to their bylaws or whatever SRCA does. Yeah, there's a lot of this going on. [clears throat] And they do. They have it. Now I will the insurance thing scares me when you're talking about like a treadmill or something. Well, he's just talking about utilizing it. They wore anything out yet?

Not yet. Every time I go out there or talk to them, they're well, for a while, as we all knew, Danielle and I especially, there were many calls from Lisa saying, "This is not working. This is not working. This is not working." And sometimes it wasn't working, but sometimes it just needed to be turned on. And I'm not trying to be sarcastic. It was just they're they're trying to familiarize themselves with equipment. Uh I think we had an issue a little bit, Chief, early on. Not Not after they got in, I guess, with the the whole thin hood. We got all that straightened. That's all good. Uh ice maker was an issue for a little while. That's done. Everything else right now has just been smooth sailing. Uh and I will tell you, I'm not trying to do a commercial here, but they they all of them absolutely love it. They love it where it is. And I'll ask them, I'll find I'll see them at church or they'll come over to me and they'll be and I'm so glad we have this. And I'm like,

you driving out there? Is that a And I can't even get it out. And they're like, heavens, no. It was hard pulling it out of the bank. So they drive out there without any I was really really referring to treadmills or stationary bikes. Oh, do they wear them out? Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah, they And I'm not saying they don't use them because I think they do a little some, but they play card. That's also their card. The pool table, I will tell you, gets used a whole lot. That's good. [snorts] I have no idea.

Back in my when my dad was going, it was skipboard. He loved it.

Well, I think we need to probably put a line in the budget though, just so to be ready for it. just a line and then come back with a Yeah, we need to do some research and and I don't want to make it I don't want to I still I think we should do like we do the pavilion make it affordable but yet something people would would do. Yeah. And it doesn't hurt we might while we're talking and asking even though I think it's probably wiser not to do the kitchen. Let's ask Teresa because That's her. She's got it right about that. The kitchen and the health department. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Well, I could I can see like like Ralph said, just make it just like the pavilion, you know, they don't I mean u I guess they do have access to the kitchen, but there is no like Yeah. No cooking. Now, what they do would have they wouldn't have access to a refrigerator unless they get in the kitchen, but there's an they do have an well, it's an ice bin. It's a dispenser, but it was filled from the kitchen. So, we or I or somebody tree, you know, not to mention anybody,

you know, if if if we're going to rent that and we wanted to have ice, we go out there and dump ice in the thing and then it's available to them without [laughter] Yes, cuz you got to crawl up on a ladder to do it. Have [clears throat] access to like a sink. Uh, not without going in there. Yeah. I mean, other than the bathrooms, the way the original grant was. Is there a little sink there in the c by this by the I think there is a little sink by the coffee bar. I think the the way the original grant was on the pavilion. That's all they would allow is what's there. Oh, in the pavilion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if we were to do any more, we would have lost the grant. Grant. Yeah. Whole new ball game.

Yeah. Which would have been things that lit on fire, right? So that's why the pavilions the way it is now that they pretty well without it. You might could go back and add something if they needed to, but it is a caterable place that they can cater into. And they still have places to do prep. And there are tables out there that that people I mean like they can like I saying set up you know at the center at the Yeah.

Oh, they stay up. Yeah. Okay. That's all there. I mean if you just walked in there and didn't have access to the kitchen, you got really beautiful nice bathrooms obviously. You've got a room with a pool table in it. You got a room with a card table and and exercise equipment. And then the dining room is all set up like it was when we had our grand opening. And then there's a piano. So could well they're aware of it. They say I told them up front they come in there on a Monday and try to get ready to start doing lunch and the tables are all Well, they will just not have they we won't allow that. It'll be like the pavilion. You put stuff back.

Yeah. And there's always something that can happen. So for now in revenue we can put fee [snorts] and it may say zero [clears throat] right now or whatever come up with a number but in in the meantime throughout the next few months y'all can bring us back a fee schedule and we'll pass it and make it official policy. We'll check with all the health department insurance and all that stuff. Good. Okay. Uh, where am I?

So, contracts. Everybody good with what what you have? Janitorial, library. I just wondered is there a a I'm trying to figure it out, but you know, is there a total of all the contract services that you know that just to kind of have an idea of what's all going out

things? Yeah, we can add them up real quick. I was just wondering just how much one you couldn't add up would be the animal shelter because it's on

the jan that relationship still good with janitorial relationships good with mountain place out. Oh absolutely these are all still good relationships. Yes. You'll have a new representative coming. Jason has left the company who normally has come for cards. He's with a construction company now. So, what's the guy's name? Cody,

we we want to address the thing about charging or whatever, you know, picking up the the non-payables, whatever versus cards picking it up. Thank you. [clears throat] Yeah, that'd be the time to do it. Is that still a good relationship? Cards. Yeah. Okay. I hadn't heard I mean from my neighbors and stuff. I hadn't heard anything complaints. Yeah. It's it's minimal. I mean, you're always going to have right there something,

but it's it's minimal. We don't have the trucks breaking down with spills and all that, right? Although although we did with them the very first time they get they ran [clears throat and cough]

and they and they have donated. In fact, Danielle was quick to call uh cards and get a donated uh dumpster for the old senior center. As we went in there and did our thing to get out and remodeled and tore stuff out twice they provided a free dumpster almost for a month or more couple months. So they didn't have to I mean we realized that was kind of a you long as you use us we'll give you a perk or two here

good business. $130,600 all these minus then you got to add the animal shelter which you don't know how much the fireworks is with the same people. Yes sir. And its cost is 20,000 20. Okay.

Very happy with them. We we as you know we will be this year we should be fine I think to shoot them off where we have been but after that there'll be a bypass so we'll have to do some adjusting on the placement of the [laughter] I know where we from this year right back up yeah if you don't know we backed up over on Burgess's property near those there's a little pond back in there that I did not know about never got invited to fish but anyway We back there to shoot the larger. You didn't take your dingy out there. I did not. But I might.

You remember that too? What are you doing? Remember in the middle? Yeah.

I like it. We can back up and get in Daniel's backyard. Yeah, that'd be good. He's got a swimming pool that mightatches. And especially with all that material that may be buried out there behind his house. Yeah. [clears throat and cough] Anyhoo, all right. Good on everything. Contracts good to me. Okay.

If we are, we will move into the big stuff here. I guess we're going to let uh Miss Danielle go first uh with the general and then I'm going to have a jump ball. Kenny, do you bring your ball? We're going to do we're going to we're going to do a jump ball between Stuart and Jeff. Don't get me in trouble with Jess. [clears throat] Do I tacos?

Yeah, I do. By the way, I feel we're we're we're live streaming. Correct. For the folks at home, this is a very this is a non voting meeting. We're relaxed. It's a budget study session. That's the reason we eat. Just wanted to let the public know that this is not our normal council decorum, but We're getting better. We're trying. So, yes, ma'am. Okay, here we go. I don't know where you want to start at. The beginning. The beginning. Okay. I don't have a copy, by the way. Yeah, I don't have either. Nobody has a copy. Nobody has a [clears throat] copy. What is happening? [clears throat]

Thank you, Jeff. You bet. Sorry. Sorry. I'll know next time. Thank you, sir. [clears throat] Thank you, Jeff. Sir, thank you. The fish are biting out at Blue Mountain. You're getting up right now. Uh the street. Yeah, he's trying to go home. Yeah, you can go home. Yeah, you give us the street first. I'll just wait. Sorry. No, you're fine. Thank you, sir. We're about to lose the corum here.

That's good. [clears throat] Well, what's this regard to Ken? Zack. Ken. Zack. Zack. I don't know. I was telling him about the tax in Reno. What happens in Reno? Well, I got to watch my decorum. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

Well, So we need to

somebody put it down. Yeah. Yeah, we will. It's a good idea. He's still running around. What's up? He's still running. Accentuate the positive. So, we're sending you to Reno. [laughter]

You're starting to end up like Stuart. [laughter] Wow. I remember that. I'm an officer of the ACC RTA now, secretary. They the bylaws state that the secretary, vice president, and president are expected, if possible, to attend the international municipal clerks convention. Uh this year it's held in Reno. I believe they said there's a change to it and it they're going to try to make it where it's in the same place every two years now. So, it'll be Reno the next year, too. No, it says you may be reimbured $2,000.

Yes, the association reimbures the city $2,000 if I apply for it within the first two weeks. And believe me, when I get back, it'll be applied for. It'll all be ready to request for reimbursement. If y'all allow me to go [clears throat] do what? I had emailed Tom and asked him to put it in there, but I didn't know first. Anyway, uh so it's a weekl long thing. Um so, so me and Steve are going to give you 20 bucks to bet and see if you can recoup the other 750. Okay. Well, I'm not a gambler, so anyway. I don't like losing my money. Not yet.

Well, I've I've done a few, you know, things like that in my life, but never worked out. Anyway, um

yeah, it's just that you have that letter and if y'all will allow me to go, I'll represent. I for one who goes on trips to represent the city in my position municipal league pays for it and looks like you could be reim I think if you're going to be a part of it you got to be a part of it and you can't be a part of it here all the time so that's my two cents and it's an honor to do it So, it is on this budget, Tom.

I didn't know anything about it. So, I didn't I didn't have it marked. Oh, clerk treasurer conferences. Is that it? Is No, it's got to be more than the 1700, right? We mentioned your name, Stuart, while you were out of the room.

No, it was fine. We just need to that another 155. Yeah, it was all good. Yeah, it needs to be up to $155.50. Oh, that's all it needs to be more. $155 more. Yeah. Let's see. No, 105 and 50 cents. Oh, it went up 65. Yeah,

hotel. 800 total for your conference and the travel and stuff. reimburse,

but we will have to pay that first and then they'll reimburse us, right? So 200 and something. I didn't have that. So it's Reno. They got to make sure she wakes up and tends the courses. I guess. So Tom, where do you think it should go? The quorum. Yes, that's true. still being transparent.

So you have 2650 last year. So That number [clears throat] wanted a little bit

threeish. Well, how do we do that when we have to pay and then be reimbursed? I mean, do we have to incur the whole cost at first on the budget? Okay. All right.

[snorts]

I didn't know anything about it. Well, it's all right. We just get put it in there. Well, I know, but it would have been nice to know beforehand so I'm not just like, uh, it's not on you. Yeah. Okay. You have two things that Is that the old

1,700? Tom, is that Yes. You're asking 1,700 is the number he's he was at 1,500 last year for conferences. What was spent? Okay. So, you don't know how much? 700 700. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. All right.

I'll on top of that. 4650.

Okay. Next or your it's your turn. What are you waiting on?

The quorum. Introduce yourself. Address. Danielle, city of Greenwood. Uh, let's see here. Do you want to just start with um like skip over the salary since we're pausing on any type of merit or anything? I Tom did put in, you know, the projected or the cola amounts on there.

Yes. Um so again, we're asking for um Aaron to go full-time just during the summer months. She did that this past year and it really helped out tremendously. Um she can't go to full-time because she has smaller children and it just wouldn't work with her schedule and I don't know that we would necessarily need that all the time. Um but during the summer it does help out a lot because we do have so many people in and out because of vacations and things like that. So we're just requesting that um she go to full-time again just during the summer. So from um May 23rd to August 11th he has that budgeted for about $1,800. And where is that on here?

It's going to be on page four. You said she's going from middle to It'll just be during the summer once school gets out. You said May May We got May 23rd to August 11th. Yeah. Yeah. It's got It's got the date there. Okay. Y Yeah.

Any questions on that? That's not new. That's not new. We did it last year, like I said. Yeah.

On that.

Okay. All right. Then if you'll go over uh to page six. Of course, Denise is already hearing whenever most of the IT budget. So, you'll see that the increases um are on there or that they've put on there, the new products. Excuse me. I don't know. Do you want to talk about any of that? Of course, she was already here and went over all that in detail. you good on that?

Yes. Okay. Um the only other change uh down uh on materials and supplies um we lowered that amount to 500. We previously had it um at 750, just didn't spend as much on that one, so we're dropping it to five. [snorts] And then down below where it says utilities for the senior center, that's the one that we already talked about where we're scratching the 20 and then we're going to budget 10,000 for utilities for the senior center. The new building we're scratching the 20. It's on his screen. We've scratched that 20,000. This says 7500. Yeah, mine says 7500. It does, but he just That's what we talked about a while ago. Oh,

he just changed it. Look at the screen, right? That was for my benefit. [clears throat]

And then down on uh fees, dues, and membership, that's going to have that's increased from 8,400 of last year um due to the fees with Arkansas Municipal League increasing and the regional alliance dues also increased. What which one is that? 63 63020 fees, dues, and memberships. Arkansas Municipal Lead's fees uh increased uh just a little bit. And then the Fortzouth Regel Alliance annual dues were normally 750 and they've increased to 1,000. And

what is the Fort Smith Alliance annual dues? What does that do for us? We have meetings and I'm not I don't enough said. Uh it it is a it's it is like it says it's regional. It's all all these towns, communities, the mayors, everybody's going to meetings talking about what's happening in the in the neighborhoods, if you will. Yeah. Uh planning, Wapaditti, economic development, UPO, economic development, just everything combined. That's good. also include like Oklahoma mayors also. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. At lunch. Yeah. Chambers officer people [clears throat] get together.

Yep. and say, "Hey, what's happened in your town?"

Chair, can't think of his name. I know him. What's his name? The chair. You too. Yeah. Billy Ray. Oh, H. Hearnden. Who? No. Eddie. Eddie Ray. Hearn. Eddie Ray. Eddie. Eddie Lee. That's right. Eddie Lee H. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. Hearnden. O G. O. Gene. Guy. Used to be uh United Way. United Way. He he is uh can it it's if nothing's happening just yet, it's going to happen. Yeah. [snorts]

Good.

Okay. Um and then down on adopt a spot program. There wasn't much spent out of that either. It was previously budgeted for a thousand. We're going to put that down to 500. And then uh maintenance and repairs to the new senior center budgeting for 3,000. We previously had 2500. And just with the cost of repairs and maintenance in general, we just have to go up a little bit. [snorts] Of course, that includes, you know, um air um and then the quarterly pest control, heat and air. Oh, yes. I made a note on my other one that that went down. We final review and each year after that reporting year This determines whether we positive You ready to go to page seven?

Yes, ma'am. Okay. Um, everything else is staying the same. Um, fuel for vehicles. We didn't spend very much right there, and it was previously budgeted for 750, so we're putting it down to 500. And then um on page eight, that one's having quite a bit of increase. Uh previously we budgeted 9,250 last year and now it's at the 46 um because that citywide drainage study has been added

which I don't know anything about. So if you have any questions, Tom, Thank He just has like a note that says cola. Yes, he's got the other figures in there for the regular cola, too.

Only one of them will get

back. Yeah. Um, and then of course we already went we just went over the education and training. Um, and the transportation lodging for Charlotte. Yep. We've already discussed that. Nothing else is changing. Do you have any questions on that page? Rest of page eight. No. Okay. Um, and then on page nine, uh, public relations. Um, we budgeted um 24,000. Um, previously it was 29,000. We've cut the trees out. So that's $3,000 gone.

Cut the trees out. Cut the trees out. Oh, sorry. Didn't even mean [clears throat] to make that. Uh, and then also um $2,000 was also still included from last year. So that's been deducted. So that should reflect um 24,000 now for public relations. I want to comment on the tree cutout. Sorry. Okay. Chopping of trees. We removed

we we have planted we with this budget, we've planted numerous trees around town in the past several years. Uh I've finally thrown up my hands and given up on the uh three or four spots in town that will not grow a tree because they're in the sidewalk and it's just too much. This kind of tree, it's it's I was trying real hard to make us look a little like Washington DC with our cherry blossoms. We do still have about six still growing and thriving. But along with the fact that the boys club, boys club, sorry, boy scouts do their tree giveaway and those end up in various places in town. I think for us now just to kind of back off of that, let the scouts do what they're doing. If I can ever get a tree to grow over by the edge be a miracle.

Yes, sir. So I guess are we gonna there's a tree in front of my building. That's another spot that is will not grow. You must pour gas on it or something. I don't know. Trunks trying to get under that sidewalk. Yeah, it's not working. Probably will try another variety. What if fake trees tree board decide or whoever? Huh? Fake trees. Fake trees. We I saw some really pretty ones in Vegas. So, but for now we're just gonna try. It may be a willow. I don't know. I know that's not a place for a willow oak. A good place for a lace bark. Okay. Lace bar. Is that what they have in Hot Springs?

Yes. 2.5. [laughter]

That's all I have. Do you all have any questions or anything? No. Okay. Great. Thank you very much. This is all the revenue that you have. It's now 1 million4. And then down in the expenses, the expenditures looking at 1 million24 decreased expenses. So your revenue over expend 312,39. Good. Uh you have any comic development?

Well, I'd like to address what uh Yes, sir. Um Ralph kind of brought up. You know, I'm thinking that uh on the U regarding the county sales tax, you know, I I think that I'd like to to move that um Sebastian County Boys and Girls Club over to general fund. and let and let that you know the breakouts you know kind of each one of their departments below you know kind of get a little bit of an increase. It will net you. Okay.

339 and you're going to add it back. Right. Right. But but it is going to the department a little bit and it separating it out like that. I think I think the intent was probably to make it uh something that's kind of a guaranteed for those separated out so that it's like it's almost like a a restricted fund, you know,

just kind of a little more color to this. Before the Boys and Girls Club, you leased that property and then we changed it to a contract. That was another reason that you are contracting with them for a service and you're doing it under consideration $5,000. I don't know. Well, I wonder if it before it coming to the city limits, they thought maybe we just use county sales tax for this property and not out not out of general fund.

I don't know. I mean, I like your argument. Well, I just think that we're we're making the the departments really be the ones that are subsidizing it, you know, and not, you know, I think it really should be coming out of the general fund just like, you know, all the other ones. I mean like fireworks or like you know and stuff because apparently like at one time apparently the uh the county retirement center was there you know but somehow you know we moved it out and stuff and I just think it it would be uh

just to illustrate how this works if you look at your screen the county sales tax we do that monthly that total 51,000. But down here in this $75,000 that was dispersed, that's the 51,000 right now is only you don't want that coming out of county sales tax,000

right

I think like I saying it's still we're still kind of making the the department's you subsidize it. And I'm thinking, you know, that this is a a year where everybody's having to uh crunch, you know, and tighten their belts, so to speak. So, I think it'd be help out the what little we can. Maybe it's 601 or half a dozen of other. Well, I mean, if it's not changing the bottom line, then I don't know if it's whatever looks cleaner.

Well, it it's not changing the bottom line, but it is affecting the departments.

It's really not. They're still going to get that same money whether it comes out of whether the 51,000 for the boys and girls clubs kind of general fund. It's going to reduce general funding the amount that can go to those departments are going to get that same amount of money. No department is going to be the one that exped throughout the year as long It just means that the general has to be tighter.

Pardon me. It just means that the general has to be tighter. But the general, you know, I mean, [clears throat] is really one of the best, you know, groups that we have, you know, I mean, when you look at it, you know, the general, it's the one that bears the brunt of the police department, which Yeah. See you next week.

No, I thought I saw you light up over there. Like saying, you know, that uh I mean 20 six, but you know, 255 would, you know, would go to the police department. uh I guess whatever 28% of of 51,000 would go to the fire department, you know, so it would all, you know, kind of help them again, you know, in a time that we're tightening our belts. You kind of any little bit that would kind of help the departments. I'm fine. I agree with AC.

I'll do it on [snorts] [clears throat] If

I could talk for a minute about uh page 10, the reuse monies. There is a balance in this account originating uh from when the city consolidated its 40 checking and savings accounts down into eight accounts. I sought back then. It was in 2015 permission from the state where we had an old reuse development plan. You might be familiar with it who's been here the longest. Um there's $5275 sitting in this account that needs to be spent. And when it is spent on a dedicated purpose like an economic development purpose specifically, it can't just be transferred. It can't just, you know, go here to fund something. We need to have something that we can tell the state we sent spent this money on. This is 10 years ago. I got an email about this what I'm telling you from David Navala. He's the Arkansas Economic Development Commission Business Finance Division Guy. Been there for eons. Uh it's a good thing he was there. It's a good thing I talked to him because he was like the only person that knew about this that was still there. Anyways, I feel like we're getting too far away from wrapping [clears throat] this up and uh I've failed to bring it to your attention really. Um it just sits there, but we need to spend this money. $5275. Think of an economic development purpose. Bob had has maybe some ideas on what kind of purpose we can spend it on, but

I knew the number was there, but I didn't suggest anything. I didn't realize it was a restricted fund that had to be What's the deadline? Can we send the mayor and Bob to encourage Chick-fil-A to open up in Greenwood? Looks like send it to clerk with to Reno and she'll improve the economy of Reno.

Well, he said this is your official notification that the AEDC approves the termination of the reuse plan. That's what we did in 20 [clears throat] 2015 and is agreeable to the city closing the reuse fund account as long as a sub account labeled AIDC reuse monies and that's why you see this page labeled like it is Tom set or we set that account up and dedicated it to this. It's uh within the city's general fund. So it's under that umbrella. The remaining 5200 sorry

plus or minus in the reuse fund are to be deposited in the city's general fund and used exclusively for economic development purposes. Finally, it needs to be they need to be informed when these remaining funds are spent and the sub account has a zero balance. So, I'm waiting on that to happen. Let's make 2026 the year that we do this. So, what's the deadline? There's no deadline. We just need to wrap it up and be done with it because if I get hit by the proverbial bus, we don't finish our agreement. So, a couple things come to my mind. Sorry, I know everybody's got something. Last night, John Wilkerson was here last night talking about these incentives. That's prime in my opinion. We got 5,700 $5,200 to go to whatever's decided by council

to do toward that or I think that's big time. And then we we have discussed and I think council is aware that if if we are ever to get a hotel in [clears throat] Greenwood, Arkansas, and there is still talk. I've talked to the realtor and they really are still talking. Most hotels, if you correct me when I'm wrong here, uh are going to need a study and Yeah, that's what I'm talking. Right. Right. Right. Yes. And and that right and that I don't remember I don't remember what that was. Wasn't it four grand or something? I don't know.

Eight grand. Oh, eight grand. Okay. Well, I'm asking that we do a line item here and spend this money so we can Does that satis If we put that in a line item that says we're going to use it when they have to spend it. We can't just do a budget. We I mean Okay. Yeah. We have to actually spend it. We stuck it over somewhere and said, "Hey, we're going to use it when this incentive program begins like like AML's talking about." That doesn't pacify it or fix it until we spend it. Exactly. But it would be a step forward to get it going. Yeah. because I feel like this is just going to hang out and hang out. I'm going to retire. Nobody will move, you know, and the state could ding us for it. I mean, we just need to get it wrapped up. I'd like to see it go on some that. So, I just wanted to get the conversation started about

Bobby, you can come up with something, you know, economic develop. and and we can't just move that to a line item just says uh restricted fund for incentive development.

So we can't just move it to a restricted fund for later economic development. I remember you talking about

I think Bob and the mayor get together and figure something out. So would you would that be a line I mean put on revenue and expense?

Okay. So out of that 24,000 I mean it's there.

Thank you Daniel. Once that's done,000.

Yeah. [clears throat]

Well, you you mentioned what Mr. Wilson said about the not just the incentives but they were looking at coordinating with attorneys to draw legal paperwork and where there'd be a fees associated with that. He asked that's what Rod had asked him. He didn't know. I can see this is possibly paying some of those legal fees. Yeah. Would that work? Would that fit? Last night, John was talking about all this and there' be attorney fees and things and Rod asked if that would be something that would be passed on to us. I think in so many words and he said he didn't know.

I think you think it's you think [laughter] Bob knows. Well, it's GBT rewrite this. You need the mind of Stuart. He'll He'll He'll show you how to spend it [laughter] all about the mind. That's Yeah, we'll figure it out. We'll figure way. That's right. Yeah. Okay.

You know, with the legal fees, I don't know. just based upon that issue issue three like that question I had. But even without issue three using the money to help form economic improvement districts just under the current laws that we have. Of course you got to have property owners buy in that. Square would be awesome. Y'all come up with a plan. Start will help you. We're only spent 5,000, [laughter] not 100. I'll get you two sprinkler heads.

Yeah. Just keep us reminded of it. Just spend it.

Well, I want to hear from We'll I'll be talking to John next week. We'll be in We'll be at Little Rock next week. We'll see what he thinks. All right. All right. Did you guys toss up? What's happening? All right. Just Okay. You don't need taco anyway. [clears throat]

Before I go to 2026, I want to go over kind of what we actually already did this year. And some of that kind of goes back to what we were talking about yesterday with the um bullet points for the sales tax renewal.

But um I just wanted to make make sure we knew these are the biggest accomplishments I think we've had this year. Uh the completion of phase one of Fox Run, completion of Veterans Way, completion of the Spruce Street drainage project, completion of the overlay of Bell Road East and West Denver to Jones Street, completion of overlay at Deerwoods Drive, completion of a replacement to the drainage in the Grand Subdivision and completion of repair of Bass Little between El Paso and Fresno that was completely obliterated. Uh water came over the creek and and took that out. So, we had to replace that. So, those were all things that we had either specifically earmarked uh in the city sales and use tax or some of these other ones I paid for out of my operational budget and didn't have to use anything else to get them done. So when when we decided these these plans last year that what we were going to do, we were looking forward to knowing that we were going to have to have this sales tax election. So when we said said the same thing last night, what can we get for our biggest bang for our buck? And I think asphalt is one of those things that people can see that means that we're actually doing something. So that's where I want to focus my attention for capital projects for this year also um so that we can point to those things when we're asking for the sales tax extension. So, I I'll throw these out real quick and then we can discuss and you can ask questions or however you want to do it. But, uh the way that we've done the city sales and use tax, we have put projects

out for three to four years to know what our direction is. And some of these these different streets that are on here are ones that we've studied had u the pavement analyzed and they're some of the worst and we look at traffic count. Um we take traffic counts on them before we decide which ones to do as well. The good news is we've got engineering done on every one of the projects I want to go through with next year. this year. Um, all the ones that say 27,

see the ones that I'm I want to [clears throat] look at don't have the year on them right now. So, those would be for 26 and they all have engineering complete. Yes. So that would be Westwood uh East Asheville Street Fowler Street drainage main to Bell Road drainage then the turning lane on Mount Harmony the turning lane on Mount Harmony I'm sorry Jeff what page you on

I'm on uh page nine of the city sales and use tax. Okay, thanks. And then the repair former street bridge and the repair for Stonebridge, which have both been marked deficient. And then the other thing that we were holding on on doing the roads over in Greenwood West were when we were looking at having the FEMA buyouts. We didn't want to put new asphalt down and heavy trucks going through there and tearing up what we just put down. Well, that program, I guess, has pretty much gone away. We're not doing that. So, um, I'd like to put those forward for this year as well.

Are you? Yes.

You just I think we changed that when we when we met. Okay. Yes. Yep. Go to the top. So the street resurface on um Essex right right there's no capital. So why is there 26 over there on the side?

Initially we got came to me. Okay. Okay. Yeah. My labels on there are now incorrect that I gave Tom. Yeah. Thanks.

Correct. Correct. construction. We talked about that today, right? Final payout,

correct? Right. Correct. Yes. Put that in 27 as well.

Yes,

it's complete, but that's still part of the retainage there that will pay out this year. Correct. So, uh go back up the top very top on payment. Yeah. Change the those three to uh this year.

Wait, no, that's not right either. That that part's right. Let's go back down to Mer Street Bridge was one street.

That's my mistake.

Nope. Yeah, that's uh Fowler Street. uh 26 and then uh Denver Street drainage phase one

26 and then Stonebridge 26. the North Main to Bell Road drainage I'm going to hold off on until we get that significant study that is in the in it's in planning budget right now. So that's part of it. The interesting thing is there's there's little studies along the way. So we've got a lot of the data that they're going to be able to push together, but there's gaps right now in parts of that study because they weren't done all as one project. So when we get that other uh study in, we can we'll know better about what the that cost is because I don't have a cost at all on those. But this the streets that I have labeled here have all been engineered. The drainage projects have all been engineered. So we're not going to have to wait for that to happen. The Nashville Street has already been bid. So we know whenever we approve the budget, we can give them the go-ahehead to start on that right away. I think that one will make a huge impact. U it holds a lot of school traffic. Uh it's used as a road that it wasn't ever intended to be, but it's it's one of the east west corridors [clears throat] that we have now when they took Gary Street out. Uh, and El Paso is going to be one that's going to have and and El Paso's got to be widened. But it's another route that the school traffic uses and it's just not set up for it.

So, that's one we're going to have to look at. Is it cliche to put up a sign on their your pro your sales tax dollars at work? No, that's what we're talking about last night that we are going to do. Yeah, absolutely. So, these projects that I read off first that were part of that we will definitely make signs for and put on there. So, that's part of that once again that we can we can legally do because it's not campaigning. We're just telling what that paid for just like the state does. ARDOT does it all the time.

You may have mentioned it and I might have missed it. That Denver Street drainage, what part of Denver Street? That's West Denver from Center on out to the highway. Y'all's road basically there to Webster. You know, some of these streets like Denver are going to eventually become a collector and I without if we don't adhere to a proper plan, I think it's way it might be wasted money unless there's something urgent with the way that if you go down that road and we we've done the study's done on that,

okay, there are probably about eight different sizes of culverts as you go from Webster down to

to the basically to the creek there. And so uniforming as many as we can during this project and getting some of that water away. One of the worst areas is right there in front of Greenwood Tire uh and the other little shopping center that's there with the DFA is. And so part of that is running that uh back through over where um they have the storage units to the creek to get it over there. And so that's that's the most important part of that. the rest of it going west. We'll just do kind of as we can because replacing and there's there's a couple of uh couple of individuals who want to replace their covers and so we'll do the other program where we'll they'll pay for the material and the and we'll do the construction to make sure that we're conforming to the size that the engineers have already told us that we're going to use. I just

so it won't be an all that won't be an all at once thing. I just know it's going to have to be the whole thing's going to be upgraded one day and I want to spend a whole lot of money and then come in here five years later and rip it all out. Well, that's thing that'll be helpful if we get those the culprits in there, we cover them. Okay,

then we've got room to go and and widen right now. There's no way because some of those ditches are so deep. I mean, you know, and it's kind of like what we did on Denver coming back with this rehab project. They wanted to do gravel on this on the edges. The problem is those are in people's yards and so people don't want gravel to mow. So, we went with with some dirt to help give us some stabilization. That way, we have a little bit of room for overcorrection. Uh because that part of Denver is so narrow, too. You got the school buses going down it. There's no sidewalk. You got people walking down those that street.

And it again, you know, it's that that is a prime example of something that eventually is going to be fixed more to just a patch. Yes. And we we should be on some of those streets, we should be looking at them as a complete street project where maybe we can't do it right now, but maybe when we fix the drainage, we're not having to rip everything back out. to go in and put curb and gutter and and channel water right into drainage and have collection boxes and the whole deal. I I'd rather do not much very little knowing that we're going to have we're going to do something

instead of just spending money that's going to be ripped out and and make sure and I agree with you. I don't want to do anything that that we're going to have to tear out. Well, we'll make and and coordinate that and I know you will with planning because I actually think that the the Denver Street is is considered an arterial. It is. So, you're looking at arterial specs, not collector, right? And that engineering though has been done. So, we have that report. We do have that as an arterial. Yes. Okay. So, the drainage that we do, if you're going to spend this 100,000 on Denver, it'll It'll be drainage that will last way beyond us. Okay.

So, do we have the rightway for an arterial all the way through Denver from Yeah, we have we have the the easements right now for it. I kind of concur with uh Rod and Steve that I'd rather do like uh you know 300 feet or whatever you know curved and guttered and you know street like it's supposed to look like you know instead of just trying to you know

yeah that and that will that will be the goal is to make that where we can just come in back in and overlay and give us some some width on that road uh as we're going through replacing culberts will be covered and then we can push forward that way. So, I don't Yeah, I'm not going to do any kind of drainage that we're going to eventually tear up. I have no desire to do that. So, these have all been looked at in that in the same way you're thinking right now. U on Nashville, I really wanted to do some drainage work because on that south side, there is hardly any any covert or drainage at all once you get down to Division Street. So, as you're going through, you're working with existing easements and are there places you have to require acquire easements?

Only time I think we we're we've looked at is maybe a construction easement. Yeah. Temporarily to get on something that that we can't get to through the street or our own rideway. Some some of this money being spent on things I think that may be possibly tore out. I'd rather just start having people go through and start collecting easements knowing what we're going to do based upon this plan with an arterial. Well, and that's one of the things because that can take years. Yeah, the one the north main to Bell Road, that one is is going to be the one where all the easements are going to be required. So, what are we doing about that?

Well, u we've got all the all the plats done on that, too. And so, we know what that is. We know what we need. Uh it's just a matter once again of us putting all that together with that drainage study and that way we can go straight down the list of the property owners and say will you give us you know a 15oot easement to fix the drainage and that runs from your backyard down to your neighbors. And who is that that should be acquiring those easements? Is that y'all or Well, it's between Hunter and myself. Okay.

I mean we we've tag teamame this thing together. So we're working I mean with him being And I'm, you know, I'm a flood plane manager as well, so I'm I'm but he is our flood plane manager. So it's his in his purview, but drainage is in mine. So we're working together to make that happen. That way we're not going two different ways. You are also working with sewer and water because they're going to have to move. Absolutely. Yeah. Anything that they're going to have to relocate and then we know what we're going to have to have for sidewalks and all the collector boxes for drainage. Right. Okay.

Um, on the operational Oh. Oh, I forgot. Go back down to on capital expenditures. I've only got three items this year. And we've I think we've talked about two of them anyway. Everything else that I've listed I want to keep in there. This is just for it's kind of like the the uh big project list so that they're in here. We know they're here. But they're not they don't have to be funded. But uh I think I told you earlier in the year we had rolled a tractor and uh last year during the summer and it it fouled the motor and it was not economically feasible to fix it. Kabota wanted like $30,000 to fix the engine. They didn't want to do it basically. So that's the K Cabota tractors replacing that one. Uh, and then we we had the one uh lawnmower that we used that that was totally done. We replaced it. And this is the second one that we talked about just delaying [clears throat] until we got into our budget. And then our uh ice maker that we have over in the shop is being held together by bubble gum and dental floss. It's it's they just can't fix it anymore. And we use that a lot for city events and for um of course during the summer and our summer you know from March to October we're still mowing. So uh we use those every day.

So really your capital expenditures are really those three items. Yes. That's all that's all I'm asking for in the capital. And that tra that tractor y'all rolled that was a $75,000 tractor.

It was Yeah. It's not exactly the same tractor because they don't make them the same way anymore. Uh, and that one's on Sourcewell, uh, which is a cooperative purchasing agreement. And that's the lowest price that we can can find to I think we bought one of these before as well, the same tractor. So, kind of trying to normalize that. We've got the brush hogs, so we don't we're not going to have to buy a new brush hog. There's nothing wrong with it, but we do need the tractor. So, that K Cabota tractor, the one y'all rolled and that replacement there, what do y'all use it for?

So, we have the Batwing mower, the big three. And so, it goes down first. So, this going down Highway 10.

Well, yeah. And we use it on I mean, we use it on uh Center Street. We use it on Denver. So, it goes first and gets what it can get. And the smaller tractor comes in and gets where [clears throat] they can't get to. And then what that doesn't do, we we eating. And so the other thing then we have we have our brush cutter. And so it's a different route that it's out doing. And it's it's the one that's got the attached arm on it. And so we're running three and sometimes four tractors. We've got another smaller tractor that we're going to keep as well uh with a sickle. And so we'll still have it, but um I've got I'm going to have some things that I'm going to uh auction and so some of that money will come back to us. You know, what little we get from it, but uh we've got some surplus equipment that we don't need and and we've identified that.

Is it just a is it just a tractor or is it does it have a front end loader on it or No, it's just a tractor. Yeah, that's just going to be a tractor. the the one that has a batwing on it does have the um the bucket. One of the reasons is those things get rear heavy and if you don't have enough weight on the front and so that's one reason why we've got that that loader on there because it helps. We even have to put weights on the front of the tractor as well and then put they either put water depending on the time of year they put nitrogen in those tires to fill them up all the way too so we don't get get hung up. state the obvious this is a state bid thing or no

the tractor tractor is source well source well so it's a cooperative purchasing agreement do the uh kabotto that you so eloquently say we rolled did we receive insurance that is a good question because I don't I don't see anything on here I'll have to check that because there should be a line item in here that's going to help pay for that.

It would help a little bit. As old as that tractor is, I mean, we might get $500. It'd be worth it. depends on whether it was insured for and well it's it's the yeah it's when they when they do the uh they roll back and and do the uh can't think of the word right now. So what is our do we have like a process for uh I mean do we have a process for when we have an accident like that? Yes. I mean yes. So some of the coverages is not ever enough to replace. It's not a replacement.

Well, still there should be some proceeds that we can show on here. So we can we can throw that in there as well. insurance for it. If you're going to insure something that's 75,000 to replace and you know get anything for why are we even insuring that piece of equipment if it you know so there should be a number on there from side

from from Teresa. So on those that's kind of it on the on the operating side. Uh did some trimming there to kind of get us neutral and we actually are having a little bit of a surplus there with the changes that we've made to keep us from getting into our balance. Um I did remove Rod I did remove the transfer for the sidewalk fund to get that extra for right now. So we can get if we get past March and we see that we're going to be okay for the next 10 years, then I, you know, I don't have a problem going back in there. But to keep this thing as as trim as I could, I went ahead and took that out.

What did you What did you take out the transfer to the sidewalk fund, which was $150,000. So it should be just zeroed I think it's just zeroed out, isn't it, Tom? Yeah. So that sec that second grant, where are we at with that second?

I'm I'm glad you brought that up because I I wanted to tell you about that. Um so we've got uh where road is our [clears throat] first next state aid project. uh it hasn't been engineered yet. So, we haven't gotten our official notification that we've got the grant yet, but that's one. And since I don't even have a cost on it, I can't even tell what our our portion will be. Um and then the next one will be old hacket and it it you know it's just wherever they they since we got one this last year will they skip you you know it's kind of a hodgepodge of how they they do it. You may know a little bit better as far as

I'm trying to get how that committee on the committee. Yeah made it um but the there's a there's a group that approves those uh it's all mayors. It's all mayors that approve it. Sidewalks or on the what? No, the state aid. The state aid. Were you talking about the sidewalk project? I was talking about sidewalk. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I was thinking paving. Um the we didn't receive Which project you talking about? He's talking about phase two. Phase two.

So Hunter's been working diligently on that as he does everything. And uh we split that up. We split split phase two into phases. And so all along it's been that's now our road, right? You know, you talking about on center street, right? So that's ours. But yet the bridges are our dots. And so it's kind of complicated, but he's working on it and we're not we're not clear of what we're good to do yet.

He could he could explain it better. He's he vis visits with the engineers and everybody. I ask him about it about every week and he's on top of it. Uh but it's we're still moving. It's just taking longer than than it was. I mean, and we're using a different firm than we used on phase one. We changed. Yeah. The only issue there we had was the designer that was working or the engineer that was working on it went to another agency. That was Jeremy Shores, wasn't it? He was on the first one. That was the first one. Elliot. Elliot. Bell was on this last one which we were rolling really well and then Elliot left to go somewhere else and so the company that still has it it's

like uh Craft and Toll Craft and Toll still has it but their owner I guess or their principal here she has had a lot of family issues and her son was one of those engineered injured in that wreck motorcycle wreck on North Main last year. So it's been kind of put She was the only one left that knew anything really about the project. So, it's kind of been put on they're trying to get back,

but they're trying to they hired a guy who was actually worked for Stan uh over at the city and uh so they were able to get him to come over to the crafted at so it's a wealth of knowledge of somebody who knows municipal projects over there now. And so we've been working with him and I I I really enjoy working with him. I know [clears throat] after a while driving down the road, you get to where you don't notice how much our sidewalks being used. Counted six people. There is somebody on it all the time and those are people that are safe and not walking down the shoulder of the road. The ones I notice are the ones that aren't on it, right? Where we where we don't have one, right, which we need. But we're work it's it's very much being worked on

but it's just taking a couple of different turns, literally. Yeah. You have Yes, sir. 61400 office supplies. How much do you guys print?

We moved. That's That's right. That's where that's been moved to. Yeah, it's it's it's I didn't start it because Right. Exactly. Oh, yeah.

The contract for that was already in before I came in. It does. It It is a good service. They come and do our um medicine cabinet basically first aid kit every couple of weeks. Of course, during the summer is the big time we use a lot of supplies, but um we we supply um some uh balm uh SPF protection for the guys out there. So, that's one of the things that's in that first aid kit. Where's that? That's in office supplies.

Yeah, for some reason we were told to put it in office supplies. So, that's that's the best place for because I don't have a medical supply budget like Stuart does. It look kind of funny, but that's where we've got them is that's the reason that's gone up. We were paying for it, I think, out of materials and supplies at one point. And so it's been shifted over there, I guess, to better account for it. So that's just not just paper and paper clips. No, no, no, no. Is that 61400 or 61500? 61400. a lot.

I mean, if you're spending $4,800 on on uh sunscreen, I mean, dang. It's not just that. I mean, it that's one of the things though that we do provide that might be a little bit out of the normal realm that you wouldn't do in an office over here. Um then some of the u the powder for u I don't want to say it's Gatorade but it's electrolyte replacement we put in there as well that comes out of there. And so 61500 the materials and supplies what is that the total consumable materials and supplies in in which line?

61500 30,000. Oh, okay. So, that's that's um tools, uh trash bags, uh zip ties, uh sh you know, any of the the hand implements that we buy, uh small tools, wrenches, those sort of things. That's that's what come that comes out of. What do we have that budgeted for last year? What was that? Same. you spent just 18,000.

We had a lower spend this year than we've had in the past. The five-year shows us that we're closer with the 30. And it's one that I'd looked at lowering, but I'm [clears throat] I'm very afraid to lower that one just because of everything that we support with that one. Uh all this trash pickup that we do, uh it all that comes out of that. And so I I I was hardressed to change that one. You can do the same for every 30 28 I don't is not as we did that.

Yeah, it wasn't willy-nilly. So, and I mean I like I said I really kind of pondered on that one quite a bit as far as but I did there's quite a few that we did lower to more reasonable and put them where they belong. There were there were some some expenses that probably weren't in the right uh line that we've we've fixed going back over this. You know, we we really took a a close close look at at the operating budget this year to try to make sure that we're doing the best we can with what we got. And so you're saying this is a a company you contract with?

Yeah. It was I don't I think it was being carried in another line item before. So that what's that?

Yes. That's too That's newer. Yes. That's That's right. What is AD? The AED that we have in the shop, like you'd have in the Oh, yeah. The AED. The AED. Okay. Yeah. They come and and they test the pads and replace the batteries, [snorts] all that. When we when I first started, that thing hadn't been checked probably since it had been there. And so, the the pads were bad and uh the batteries were dead. And so that I added that into the first aid as well. I think they come monthly.

Are you saying you didn't have CentOS before? They did. They had that box was there when I got here.

Okay. Okay. And what item is that? That's the office. the office supply 61 for you know how expensive those batteries and those pads can be too when they have to come replace them. So there's not there

he knows better than I do what that stuff cost anymore. I'm all about safety, Jeff. Don't get me wrong, but we had that we we started the CentOS first aid kit in our office. And what we found out is that you were paying for a service to come count how many Tylenol you had your box. And so it was a lot cheaper just for us to buy the stuff and keep it ourselves.

Yeah, I thought about that. You know, I can go to Walgreens every week and and and go do that, I guess. You know, is is a different it's a whole different ball of wax, but the first aid kit and the service to check how many band-aids you got may not be as necessary. I mean, you're going to save a lot of money by not having that service. And that's what we found out at our office. How many AEDs do you have? We have two. Two saying maybe we worked out with Yeah. Stewart, you know, to just, you know, bring him over there and let, you know, let the fire department check him. He's got somebody that, you know, is working that day, you know, or whatever, however he's doing his.

I mean, that's that's a pretty significant increase from $200,500 to go to 4,800.

There's nothing wrong with it. doesn't control it. However, this bottom line, 98,000 92 94,000 [snorts] a year. electricity roundabout. That's why not stop lights. No, no, these are these are street lights.

Oh, okay. Street lights. Anytime somebody comes to you and say we need a street light here. Do we do we get provided an inventory of all of the street lights or they just say here's a We check them every day when they first come in. the guy it's dark when the guys come in and so they each have sections that they go check because you can only check them when they're in the dark and so you know most of the eastern part of town from here back is Arkansas Valley

here pretty much all the way to Park Heights is Sweptco and so we have to deal with both sides and so we just we jot down the poll number that the lights on and turn it into either SWEPCO or um Arkansas Valley for them to come replace the light or whatever needs to be done to service it. But yeah, we're paying for that electricity. Have we ever talked about, you know, going to, you know, an LED program?

So, one of the things that Tom and I were talking about, they have mentioned that that might be the where they're headed is to replace start replacing those with LEDs. So, whether that replacement is on us or on them is a different story that we hadn't got the answer to. But if they do, we'll save a lot of money with LEDs. Well, I know at one time, yes. You know, going to, you know, LEDs or even the compact fluorescent, whatever, you know, for the brightness, whatever, you know, I mean, you know, the uh the uh I'm thinking the halite or whatever uh H hallogen, you know, where uh there's still a a cost differential, you know, but now, you know, see LEDs have gone down there. They're so much brighter.

They are. And they're they're so much more energy efficient. Energy efficient. Yes. You know, so yeah, we're we're working with them on trying to get them replaced because that's a lot. Well, I'd like to have to see uh I mean, I know I get in my electric bill, I get, you know, offers about, you know, improving, you know, and you get, you know, telling you to go to, you know, LEDs or whatever and stuff like that, you know. I I didn't know if it's something like, yeah, we need to entertain a a discussion with them. And if it's if we bear some of the cost but yet it's still you know in the long run in the long run we're we're still winning. Yeah. Yeah. You know that might be worth you know pursuing. I agree. But that is a that's a lot of

and I don't know. I mean I have sweep coat in my house. My electric bills doubled from what it used to be. Well right there it went from 6,500 to almost 12,000 in utilities. And we didn't add that many new lights. There's been some added but not that much. But yeah, it's the energy cost has doubled. Now that utilities, what is that's utilities of the building though, right? That line is above it. We got grow lights over there. That is covered by That's a pretty good

That is with the input of solar cost too on the on the building, not on the street lights. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Thanks for putting that up there. Because yeah, if we could get a savings of just, you know, heck, you know, 10,000 a year, that'd be pretty significant. You're handling the chicken.

His see if it really is paying off. The only way you'll pay it or sending it over to those two would lose the generation costs. was that why the previous year we had a kind of a kind of significant like it was a decrease or whatever the previous year

I I see because

the very bottom. Yeah. Since we've had such a warm winter so far, we haven't used as much gas yet. Yeah, last year we had some cold cold days. We had like, you know, we had two significant cold spells and [clears throat] then we had 70s again for the rest of the year. I would wholeheartedly recommend that this tool that use in order to be able to do

and that's that's what our the numbers I did were based on where where do we access that at or it's one of those candid reports that comes with Okay. Can you show the the line where it shows the the amount of deductions we took out

from the operating basically what we freed up with making Yeah. Not the reporting. Yeah. Yes.

Um He's looking at 1.29 previous expenses here,000 generates maintain his own But it helps us to be able to have that to go back into some projects. Uh if once again if we are successful in March that we can know a little bit more that where we're where we're going to stand for the next 10 years. [clears throat] balance at least right now. He's adding 131 tax will This is not looking down here. He's got 1.7 million. So he's looking at 1.2 million. So you take the 1.7 that he started with the 1.1 that already deficit. That brings him to a little 600,000

million deficit for next year. So problem is that's not a live account. That's a virtual account. The only street will cover that means that for future years only the amount of money gets worse in 28. And so that's when where when I think it was our last budget study that I said once we know once again in March in order to keep moving ahead we're probably going to have to go for a bond or something um to help push us along. But we got to know that we we we've got it coming before I I want to commit to anything.

And I was wondering on the on the the the turnback is that is are there any restrictions on that on the turnback money as far as or can it be applied to anything? It has to be street related.

So yeah. So started with 2.6 million all in all three of the accounts sidewalk 434 That's one of the reason

because we'll have to front that money and maint. So, um, and I think you know, of course, that project phase one started a little bit before I got here as far as the everything else, but what you know, with them putting it off with the state and all the design stuff. And how much how much more was it that that doubled a lot or tripled the original price on the on phase one? Yeah. So when we had to so we had to come up with that to [clears throat] upfront basically we were kind of on a So anyway um so that's that's what I got. Um

where we lock in on the bow pass we didn't get to lock in on the side right yeah I mean 5 million for a 50 $5 million project 60 million well 58 and some change and that was two years ago. Oh yeah. Uh, so on the where I was going on the state aid though, I won't know what my match will be on that until they they engineer it. And then I I'll I'll come back to you on that. And our our U match this year was significantly less than what we had anticipated. One,

how would that work, Tom? you know, if uh I mean, if the water water sewer needs some type of bond, I mean, would we be in a position to try to do two bonds or I I don't know. I'd have to talk about his support, right? [clears throat] ES extends,

right? some reasons tax revenue bond right now and that revenue bond That's why you wouldn't want to do it against [snorts]

Jeff. One thing I was wondering, you know, I mean, it's projected out there, the Damascus road, uh, you know, you got it for 2028, you know, but it's like 795,000. I was wondering is that anything that we can do like an improvement district on, you know, and and get the people there to pay some of the cost?

I I think we should and I don't necessarily think that probably should be held to the same standard city. Whereas we might get the branch fixed and do bring it up to chip and then you know there have to look at some alternatives as to just as I know we traditionally haven't done that but you can get so much more done with chips than you can't ask and anymore the new way they have it foging all these new methods if you've been out the sturgeon road it looks like an asphalt road it's not that's a fog and I seen it's [snorts] not like the old old days putting the pebbles down so you know there's there's some newer techniques out there that are being that I think we probably should take advantage of, especially on one that's not 100% taken in the city. [clears throat]

Yeah. So, I thought we had discussed this in length one night whether or not that's a driveway private drive or a city street. It's a private drive. So, if why are we spending $800,000 on a private drive? Quite honestly, it's not really in my high expectations. in there before I came. Yeah. at the time of at the time of it's not a high priority for me if they at the time of annexation back when if I what I remember about it when we annexed that right that the idea was that was going to be a city street

nothing nothing other than so that's that's where that initial money or or line item was born with the thought of this is a city street we treat it like any other city street but it never evolved to that Right. Right.

Never put in as a city. I mean, you know, I mean, this is where today we're kind of setting a precedent if we kind of go in there and, you know, saying, well, you know, well, we get different uh builders to say, oh, I'm going to put a lot here, I want to put a lot there, you know, and and then, you know, there's never going to be a street, you know, actually done. And they say, oh, well, you know, the city will come back in three or four years and, you know, put in a street and everything. You know, I'm thinking that that's somebody just assume [snorts] you go out there in the county and see the red signs maintained roads in our county.

I' I'd like to see that. Sorry. I just think unless unless the status of that changes out there that you take you don't leave that in there. We've got work that has been done on it, right? That's really the only reason I've kept it in there because we had data. We spent some money preparing, right? But I mean that amount I just the amount of it is what I'm talking Well, yeah. I mean, it's kind of it's kind of alarming. Yeah. Our our subdivision regulations

don't really allow that type of development to happen. at at some point when you put in multiple lots, you have a subdivision and the subdivision has to conform to the city specs. So that should be their responsibility as the developer for that road, never ours. I think what had happened though is we've taken in property. We annexed it, right? But we haven't necessarily taken the road. That's what happened here.

Well, but the thing is It's the division of the lots. When you create a subdivision, you build the road. And and if they've already got that, congratulations. You've got a head start, but you're still responsible for that road. You you've got they build the road, but they build it to city specs. Yes. That's if you're taking them in doing that. That was a county that was when they develop it, they build it to city. I'm saying that particular section was in the county before it was annexed and the county doesn't have any subdivisions. So, we took something in. Yeah.

That but we had sub we had extr territorial subdivision regulations when you extend down mile out. Now, the legislaturator's done away with that. Yes. But inside the city limits, if you split lots the way they've done up there, you're subject to the subdivision regulations. And and they're very fortunate to have a road up there that in whatever capacity it is, but it's in no way our responsibility to maintain or upgrade that road. When they start splitting lots up there, they put in that road

to buy city. Now, we do have, like AC said, we do have that tool in our toolbox of declaring it an improvement district. They sign on and we'll handle it. They'll pay for it, you know, for the next 20, 30 years on their property tax. It'll be on the end of their property tax. And we don't do it here, but in central Arkansas, they use that as a development tool. developers come in from the beginning and get an improvement district and start developing houses and everything. That's to keep them from having any outlay of cash. Yes, I agree. I just The problem with that is that one was not done like that.

But if if they if they're looking for a remedy, that's the remedy. And I' I've told them that. And also the swimming pool guy, Chad Ferris, I told him the same thing. I said, he called me one day and I said, "Just follow the rules. Whatever the rules are, you'll have to go down the city. Whatever the rules are, you're going to have to ch follow them, Chad. Now, if you and Ralph's brother and whoever else want to form an improvement district, I will help you. We'll get with the city. We'll get with the city lawyer, the city attorney, and form that improvement district, and we'll put it on your sales. we'll put it on your property tax for the next 30 years. So, that is a tool,

but until they want to pull that tool, I really think that 800,000 line item ought to be removed so we don't see it in our budget. That's what I was. So Tom, I really wish I kept it in there because once again, once again, some work done on it. We know that 800 800. Hey, if if you mayor, if you're if y'all ever hear from them and they want to do it, I will help.

I will say and I know I bring up Hunter a lot, but Hunter and Sunny both, but Hun's Hunter's kind of taking the I don't call him honey by the way. This Hunter has taken the lead on it and he is he is in conversation with I might call him Honey uh with uh fat Chad. Yeah. And Mr. Maker and Mr. Maker and and even Jacob. They're they're all because they have questions and Hunter will believe me they get a straight here's what you can do and here's what you can't. Yes. So that's that's happening as we speak. Yeah. Will shepherd, he's the third Will. Yeah. And I I just wanted to let y'all know I've been telling you follow the rules.

Yeah. Now I will help if it if they need help with an improvement district just because it's been so long since we've done one. I will help. Oh yeah, we have done them in the past, right? I mean, but other than that, you follow the rules. Y'all are a lot kinder to them than I am. If they got a problem, good luck. Yeah, good luck.

That amount is going to have to be over.

What's that? I showed you on the screen because it shows that he does. [clears throat] He's going to be 66,000 even though that's a virtual account. It's not a legitimate bank account. Don't worry, we're not checked by the street. But then I also [snorts] 662,000 300 next year and then he's got 2 million [clears throat] for 28. So to me really we need to look at at again the the deficit for this year otherwise looking at a projected bond to really cover the the I mean this year next year that

I see. Okay.

Doing And he would have the money to cover that. March ahead. Or we another way to attack some of that would be to adjust the percentages on the

counties. Turnbacks

revenue stream. Okay.

Hey, by the way, something I thought about last night laid my head down. There was a comment made I think in last night's meeting about center street is ours we know and someday it's going to need overlay again hopefully in 10 years minimum but when it is ready that's a prime suspect for state aid I would think

yeah because it's ours and it is the main so just food for thought for somebody which is great that you we're going to do it. We're going to do it anyways. You continue to use state aid and and do the right thing with it. Just like just like these parks and tourism grants do them, get them or not use them, make it work, keep going. Yeah. So, I mean, were those are those typically 2080? Are they 50/50? or they the state 60 2080 I like to call it 8020 [laughter] it's

and you know and you never know when that it's never changed that I've ever been aware of it but anything can happen but it could with all other things but that goes back to permanent gas yeah that's right when the voters did that that way ahead that's fun but we have we know we're have

that was huge I was wonder do we do we need to set up some type of deferred uh thing that you know kind of accumul ates year after year. So because you know that we're going to have this big project coming up or [clears throat] so how far ahead are you talking I don't know if we're saying like yeah the you know center street you know is going to be like in 10 years so we need to say oh this is what the future cost is going to be we need to kind of be setting aside in some type of uh you know virtual account or whatever I don't know to say that it's going to we're going to have this money kind of set up there

there will be another election 10 years. Oh, it's a year. Oh, the next extension.

And it may last 20. I did that because Tim's not sitt. All right. I'm saying everybody good with street. It's as Yeah, chief. You still going to get a taco if you get done? I'm sure they've been put up and put away. Thanks, Jeff. That's okay. I don't need it.

It's good. It's good though. I ate a piece of chicken. I'm good. All right. Mayor, councel, [clears throat] um sit with the sit down with the mayor and and Tom yesterday and looked through our budget and um we uh we tried to stay in as far under [clears throat] budget as we could this year. They had told us to uh hold back on spending and so I thought we did a pretty good job of uh of doing that. And um this year really not very many changes at all. In fact, hopefully this will go pretty quick because there's not very many changes. Um uh I'll let Tom tell you they they did adjust what accounts about five different categories are coming out of where now they're coming out of city sales and use tax instead of the county uh general fund tax or whatever county sales tax. And uh those are um [clears throat]

yeah, you have a little seat.

So we moved uh so moved fuel and building insurance, uh equipment insurance, vehicle insurance, and maintenance. Uh no, I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, just the the small maintenance and repairs over there. and that that made it to where it freed up a lot. It really did. So, um but anyway, they we moved those over to another C uh to the uh coming out of the city sales and use tax and so we just want to go through we didn't do anything at all with any type of pay or anything like that. Didn't change. I would like to address incentive pay in the future. Uh I was going to do it this year, but since we were told that wasn't going to be possible, we took all that out. Um, you guys know where I stand on full-time staffing. I've given you a list every month to show you how many zeros we have on medical calls. So, at some point, that's going to have to be addressed. We are not addressing it in this year's budget because right now we're trying to to stay afloat, I guess you'd say. And uh and so uh we haven't everything's the same in all those [clears throat] categories uh except for whatever we had to move up for insurance and and for the cola. Uh if you want to start at computers and information technology that's [clears throat] up some. I'm one of those hold outs that didn't want to change my laptop. [laughter] I think mine's pretty close to five years old, too. I feel like I have a laptop uh graveyard over second fire alarm.

There goes that talk. Guys respond on that. Let's I'm concerned on that though. Let's see. see what it says when it comes over our app. Lafiesta. Yeah, it's at Lafiesta. I'm just saying the app. It'll give me a little bit more information here as soon as it comes up. I need to go to that, guys.

Yeah, I don't want to be postponed. Okay. Kitchen hood extinguisher alarm. Let's see. So, looks like their kitchen hood extinguisher must went off. Grease fire. Well, [snorts] I can go on that if you want to. I'm right here. I know you need we need Why don't you go and I'll pick up and I'll go through it with them. Tom can. I don't I think Tom Tom can do it.

The main thing that the only things that we added this year was we need a new apron out in front of the fire station. That's the concrete because it's caving in. And then we didn't have to have a new roof addition. So that's roof repairs. And then they're make for our SCBAs the little uh cleans. We're having to replace that. Keep our fire. I don't want to see the zigger on that month report. I like I like mafiest. I got you a taco light waiting on you.

Char, I guess. Where where was that for the uh the apron? Yes. system. It's still

I was thinking that was to to connect the uh the sprinkler system to to it to whatever you could have put those together, but decided that you [clears throat]

these come out of city sales and use tax, right? Restricted. there only for him.

Yeah. August 15. So this year and and where's that at? same page. Page 10 28 320 something.

That is the last thing he's got that's financed out, right? Well, I guess just like I mentioned to uh Jeff, you know, should the fire department put in there or something, you know, because yeah, we're gonna have to get a a new engine or or something, you know, big item every so many years, you know. Should we put in some type of, you know, fund there that that we kind of you could and that would be no different than preserving cash flow. debt payments,

right? right now if he's in the mindset that we finance you're going to pay the principal interest

well he was he was talking about that before because up northwest Arkansas they'll put money back in a restricted fund and then every so many many years they got $500,000 or a million dollars And I said, "Stuart, that sounds great. You're just not going to have to buy anything for a while until that accumulates up." He mentioned that last year.

Yeah. It's one of the things called either replacement or one of the things we don't appreci you buy that truck, how many years is that going to be in service? Then you immediately start a way at the end of 20 years a

funded depreciation. But we probably shouldn't do that now since we're trying to build reserves. I say we should do the contingency first. They don't have to go and right now just in time.

Yeah. Is there anything else you didn't want to point out in the fire department? [snorts] Like I said, $23,000. So,

what did you say you had for station three? There's $9,000 for engineering pre-planning. He did me today. I was working over there and that line 65480 with maintenance repair that cascade system is not serviceable anymore that it's out of compliance. They're not making the parts. Is that correct, AC? Yeah.

So that that's an 85 that's an $8,500 hit. Actually, the next line goes with it. that SCBA hydro checks on all all units. U but that first one is un uh they can't service it anymore and he's taken that out of city sales and use tax as well. So restricted to him.

He has a He has a truck on insurance that we don't own. That's what I was going to ask. Which one? Yes, that G GMC Wilson, it's gone. Well, this doesn't mean this is insurance.

Okay. This isn't%

Okay. That Wilson truck's gone, right? AC. Yeah. Yeah. Who are we? Okay. I don't know. The rest of it correct.

Yeah, there might be a need to be a vote on insurance. Was he able to trade the boat that other What's that? Was he able to trade that other boat in? I mean, I know. Boy, I don't know where that's at. Where is it? AC. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it was traded in. I think it'll be something that's auctioned or either considered. Have the council. We were talking about that today, but I forgot we he and I never finished our conversation. So, I mean, we would obviously we'd have to salvage as a leaking boat that you can't come rescue you. But him and Tom fishing out of those. Yeah.

And then you kept I mean the motor stayed, right? You kept I assume the the motor is kept. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. The motor's kept. It was just the the inflatable pontoon boat that he replaced. We did talk about one of the cont [laughter] All right. Well, thanks guys for all that. Yeah.

Oh, hey. How How much did we knock off? It was 35% of his salary started. [laughter] He didn't come back with no taco. It was a false alarm. They were cleaning the system. Well, good luck. We're well into the black now on your Yeah, we went from the red to the black about 10 seconds. You only lost eight pages out of nine. What are you going to do in your next job? [laughter] It's kind of funny. It's good timing because yesterday his I'm going to apply for a position with position. He's telling me his keep was working. I said Ste, I didn't even talk to you. [laughter] Yeah. Then we probably need to bump up that employee mental health expense right there. [laughter]

Thanks. Appreciate that. I appreciate it. Well, I'm glad it wasn't on fire. Stuart, what happened to the boat? Is we still owning the the theun bad boat? The punctured boat? Yeah, it's over there. Okay. Yeah. Only thing I know to do is put it in the auction. Okay. How about the 85 Wilson truck? 85 Wilson truck. Yeah. Who do we sell? Sold that a long time ago. Who do we sell on here? It's on your list. Insurance. Sandbaging. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not That's not on the list I sent over. Update your budget. It's on your insurance. It's on your insurance list.

Okay. That's what's that called? Who did we end up selling that to? Went to uh I was like uh some start with the C down by Grley, one of them little departments down there between it and plain view. Yeah. For some thought it started with an R. That's their number one. They told me that's their number one engine. Now, the one they had before was from the 1960s. So they were fired up to get it. Fired up. Fired up. Plane B or Grally? Pardon the pun. Which one? Plane B or Grley? Between there between play, Gral. Starts with the C. It was a hot deal. It was a hot deal, guys. Laugh it up. Laugh it up. You have any questions? I know it's late.

As I said, we had a we have a a replacement we're have to do on the on the Cascade. Uh that's the one we got off the grant back in 2009. After 15 years, you have to replace about a $6,000 part on it. And they wouldn't work on it without it being replaced in the future. So that was in the budget. As I said, there's a laptop in there even though I have a laptop graveyard I feel like over there.

Um everywhere else we kept everything pretty much the same. Uh there is carryover for our fire suppression system. They're not done with that. They are finding that uh I don't know if y'all you remember the big ass fan that had to be taken out of the budget. Well, apparently they took all the structure out, but they left it in the plans. So now that they're over there, they're finding the structure is gone. And uh and so I did put a little bit more in our budget this year because I've already heard enough rumblings from them that I'm probably gonna have to pay for something to be done for them to be able to get up in there and cut the openings. And so um anyway, that's the only adjustment to it.

Yeah. On the outside [clears throat] because the plans, the original plans they had to go off of had all that stuff in it. But when someone up here said, "We don't need that. cut it out. Well, we didn't have asbuilt plans at the end to show that that stuff's out of there. And Rod was even over there looking today at something. He said, "Yeah, I noticed that all that stuff was gone. That all that up inside the thing." So, anyway, is that what that 15,000 is for? What you're saying?

Well, we had 10,000 and now it's up to five and then we've already paid them about $10,000. That's why the main price is lower than what it was. So, so we've already made our first payment, but right now they're they're trying to figure out how to get past that. They've already had two or three people come and look at it. So, that tells me they're not getting the price they want. So, um other than that, um as I said, the concrete apron, uh we didn't have to have a new roof. Thank goodness for Testament roof repairs. And then the Cascade system. And that's really that's other than that, everything else is pretty much the same as last year. and said we're the engines would be paid off free and clear.

That's going to be awesome. Uh I will tell you that in if if we weren't in the state we were I'd probably talking to you about replacing engine 2. That's the 90 or the 2003 model that's out of compliance at station two. But let's see how let's see how the sales tax let's wait till after that to start doing any of that stuff. So would you say that for an engine's life we get 20 years or do we say 25 years for an engine's life? 20 20 years is is NFPA. NFPA

when ISO comes here they're going to say does your truck meet NFPA? And if you say no, your ISO rating changes. If you say yes and can show it, then hopefully it'll say does your years do they not is it not consideration of mileage on the vehicle? So, you can have a truck sitting You can have a brand new truck years old and it's out of compliance. I think that uh Wilson that we sold out there, I don't think it had 10,000 miles. About 10,000 miles on it. Was it 9,000 something? Rover. Is it Rover? Rover. Sorry, not C. Rover. It was Rover. Cuz we actually had Rover put on it for them. They got here and it said Rover Fire Department and they were fired up.

They thought they hit the jackpot. They did. They make a mean hamburger. But um anyway, that's that's really all I have for you, gentlemen. That's all that's in there. That's all there. Any questions for chief thoughts, comments? Pass this sales tax and then I'll have some things for you to think on a little bit more on future purchases. Your heels. When do you think that you'll start on the the apron? Well, we'll just see. I mean, whenever budget passes, then I'll call them because the sooner the sooner we do it, I mean, I don't want the price to go up any weather permits. When's the sprinkler system get finished?

No freezing. Yeah, that's where I think that right now, as I said, they're trying to figure out the uh the outside section of it, how they're going to cut through that wall or how they're going to get up to it. And I keep waiting for them to say, "Oh, we're going to have to give you a change order." That's why I put a little bit more money in there. And uh so we're it's in the process right now. Now, we've already made our first payment on on stuff and uh it's in the process. We have no issues going out the back of the building, right? For while they're working on all that.

No, hopefully we won't. We are going to have the uh the uh the whole uh the fire department connection is going to be out here right by the hydrant. So, I'm glad we were able to put that hydrant there in the past. Which, by the way, I noticed we got a new hydrant out here, which is awesome because we didn't have one on the corner before, right? And we had one across the street, but out here on the corner. So, that'll make it where we won't block off the highway now if we have to do something here.

Other than that, that's it. There's just it's just I don't want to say [clears throat] bare bones, but pretty pretty close for for my budget. Most time you guys have a lot to talk to me about, but we decided to put much in there this year. That's up to Tom because he's got work to do. He's the man with the plan. Well, that's what I was wanting to go back to J when you kind of look at the summary. Okay. So just

thanks to taco started at 2.7 million took out 972,000 you that has been transferred. So after the way we end the year that leaves 947,000 budget about 50,000 below that 5.24% thresholding threshold that we are currently set by the amount for the police department and for the animal services. The amount that we budgets all [clears throat] general fund amount. So that means in order for this to be at least you would have to have the general fund right now come in with a surplus for increase the other.

Can we possibly get a look at the parks city sales and use tax fund? Well, yeah. Well, we've moved all I'm here's the question. Would we want to consider any kind of reallocation of the new sales tax?

Well, if we didn't renew and decided to go with a sales tax, uh, I'm just saying that if you had slightly less coming out of parks, uh, going into parks and city sales taxes and allocated a little bit for the police department, uh, I didn't I don't know. I don't know how, but I'm just saying that it would be great

if I know you're not doing that right now. I understand that. I'm just I'm just looking at I'm just saying that if it were not a renewal, if it were a new sales tax issue, then you could reallocate and you wouldn't if I had a unicorn. No, I'm just I'm just Okay, you can Hey, listen. I'm listening. Laugh all you want. I'm not laughing, but the reality is it is a renewal. You said if it's not. Okay. But yeah, in the future I understand that. I'm just saying that that looking at the future,

okay, we've already got the plan. We'll tell you about that future. There is a plan to at some point go after public safety, right? But we'd rather not talk about it until that we get the dust settling on what we have. Okay.

We already know how to address down the road. We need to get past this year. need to get past this year and hopefully next year rebound some of the city that we have really push in the city of Greenwood generate more income at least get back to the levels that we currently were growing but what I'm looking at right now yes we do have a plan for that down the road I understand what you were trying to do with parks what we've done is pardon the pun We all use stuff over city to relieve the pressure on the one that you leave it at. You can ponder what you want, but I'm not worried about down the road. I'm worried about now. So what you have is you have 883,000 as a deficit 6,100 services to where we stand. So these are the restricted funds [snorts] to do that. I do want to show you one thing though. There is a new thing here that we were trying to build. And if we do drop it to half a million dollars, you have I'd love to see recovery down the road. And I'm not talking about recovery as a wish tax. I'm referring to recovery that we know is around the corner. Parks is a perfect example of that. They dropped their sales and use tax amount to $150,000

125. And I'm comfortable with that because they have $150,000 payout for the inclusive part this year and no more. So they're going to recover 150,000 in 28 27 excuse me.

And in 28 they're not going to have their loan on their generates 187,000. So you're looking at almost 300,000 coming back to them from that city and use tax. So I see recovery for that, but I don't see recovery for this immediately or anywhere in the near future. So we thought, we talked about what's going to have to potentially be pitched, but we have to do it the correct way. And it is on our minds. It is on our radar. I think the biggest mistake and everybody knows now is when the county lost the vote for the tax. We because that maintain the same level of tax for us and we're going to use it for public.

Are there any other things that you know about have discussed that we kind of need to go looking into the next year and years after? So I got two questions, Tom. One is can we go to the police department? Are there any are there any open positions that we may potentially on salaries. I know I a little unfair for me to talk because I don't own that, right? But I do have recommendations, but that's something that has to be worked out between what you guys want and what's best for the police department.

I could make recommendations and they would be they would hurt a little bit. But I want to show one thing to you and that's this contingency. Before we get too far off the subject, I have documents that I wanted to present at some point. The first one is what contingency is handled. You're welcome.

I got a sidebar. Sorry. I'm almost over. You good? Go ahead.

The second one is the asking for to to consider really strong recommendation that we create or that we establish a [snorts] reserve fund and that came about as a result of what happened in this said you need to follow these models so looking at that model what they're saying to first class cities that you can estend is your contingency fund and [snorts] if you fall below that fund any of the budget years there's trigger points for what has to happen performance policy. So let's just say 20% is what most students are using as their contingency. If that were the case the operating um department this is the operations expenditure for the six departments animal control operations and parks operations that is a budget for current,000. That's what our and I've been saying a million last several years. The contingency that we have right now or the projected general unrestricted fund balance is 477,000 54% below what that amount for. So that means that we have to make up a deficit of $567,000.

One of the ways you could do that is say well that's 10.86% that we have to go back and department. Whe you could say your bottom line is cut by that you make it work and if you did that at 567 would be cut by 132,000 2900 for a million dollar for police 1000 for 7200 for department and 63 parts that generates the amount of money that you need in order to come back. I'm not saying you need to do this. I'm just illustrating to you something you could say without the department. We're gonna only focus on the accounts that are providing deficits and you could say they have to make that some but there's several ways you can look at it. The reason I did not include water sewer is because they're funding themselves with their rates and in that rate being built in street department is funded by their own money. as well as property taxes as well as their contingency fund rather. So

something to think about I mean I know go back to the police. I mean, they mentioned that the cars that they're looking to trade in, they have 94,000 miles on it. I don't know, but it's something to do with the fact that breaking down as far as concerned $100,000.

That That was a little more than you're asking for them to contribute. What What was their figure? Oh, okay. But that's right there. I know talked to chief about that a little bit. I know that the mileage is certainly an issue, but it's it's also on a car on a police car, it's the idling time because even though it's not driving down the road, as far as I know, they leave them idling and it's bad on the engine and that's just Yeah. Right. I'm I'm not saying it's past the the crime, but I'm just That's has to be taken in consideration.

Well, I I know at times we just you just have accidents where they're you know they're they're totaled. Of course, you know that that already I mean I guess we have insurance to to cover that expense. But [clears throat]

but I think, you know, this is this is a to me a we're in an exceptional year because we've always been blessed with with sales tax going up. You know, this is kind of the first year that I know of that sales tax has gone, you know, down and stuff. And I think you know uh you know unusual times call for unusual you know things that we need to do and stuff. The magic number is 10.8%.

So I can tell you that I would not recommend that. That's my personal opinion. You guys are in control of this. You want to accept that risk and you want to accept that balance saying we'll close it actually. you approve that budget, they're going to spend that money and they do. So,

well, I like yours proposal on the first one where it's kind of spread among all the departments, not just the ones that are in a deficit because unfortunately the police department has been forever in, you know, this deficit, you know, and uh and I think until we can get a maybe a public service tax or whatever that, you know, I don't know where they could get any relief from. I mean, we can try things, but we're just really just doing small amounts, you know, to it. the uh uh but I think we do need to do something this year, you know, because to me we're, you know, we're whistling past the graveyard, you know, if we think that, you know, it's not going to be a, you know, even if it's just a small tornado, if it hits the right spot in Greenwood or just another ice storm, uh you know, uh uh just the tree pickup that we had, you know, was was pretty uh devastating. to this

and you're saying if we did this that they would accumulate it in their own department. We would have a fund. [snorts] would be controlled solely by you as well as payback. So that's all that's all. We know that the comfort level we have is a million dollar. You want to lower that comfort level to anything of a million% more in order to be at that million. So it's got to come from think about it next year because it's going to correct itself. that I want to show you that we've never submitted since I've been here. It's on the screen right now. This number, this number, this number, those are all deficit budgets for those departments operations. Same thing here. 400. This is an 24 25.

So we've had a balanced budget, but it's always because we've been robbing from our surplus. Well, I'm in favor of of of again, this has been an unprecedented year and, you know, it's almost kind of like to say we need to just rip off the bandage and I think we need to do some sort of percent. I don't know if we need to go all the way to 10%, you know, or 11% what you're showing, but I think we certainly need to to to do something and just say every department need to go back and sharpen your pencil again, you know, and and just see uh because I think we, you know, uh do need to have a contingency reserve. And I know uh I'm I'm I'm a guilty person up there because I have approved this budget, you know, every year that I've been in here, you know, robbing from again taking from the the surplus uh the and uh um and you know, every year it seemed like that we've had something major. We've always been fortunate, you know, that we got federal funding or whatever to to help us, you know, and stuff. But uh I know that that you know state is tightening up their budget. You know federal is tightening up their budget. So sometimes you don't know if it's it's going to be there. I don't and I don't really want to say that we can count on that every time. I think we should be responsible ourselves and say you know that that we have a contingency fund.

Can you print that off? Can you print copies of that time? Yes. Yes, sir. So if we uh uh adopt the ordinance can in inside that ordinance can we say okay we're going to say for the next next three years we're going to approach that you know 20% contingency well I think when [snorts] I present it to you formally it consider it target.

Do do you have in the ordinance you're talking about setting triggers for these things happen? You you already have that. Do you have them up there where you can show us? Okay. Oh yeah.

All I did was change. It's pretty

to get back to a million 45. We would need to figure out where which would be basically right which should be 11 11% or say 10.8% reduction across each I mean even if we landed it at 900,000 I'd feel a lot better better better than where we're potentially fixing to land here

but but if we we sent it back to him saying cut 10.8 8. There'll be something that hits this year and we may end up at nine because there'll be something that has to happen. Uh, you know, maybe Brad cut out one car. Need to have to cut out more than that. But, you know, they're going something's going to get tore up. Something's going to get where we have. But, at least we could start out with the target of trying to make it. what you're just saying.

Yeah. Yeah. Then the water's lipping up over the boat.

I'd have a little I mean if if we could settle at 900,000, I mean, we wouldn't have to cut out all 567,000. If we if we could cut out 400,000, it would still make me feel better than I want to do it. I can tell you where I would recommend we drop those. Okay.

You said I just feel better with it being this number. Well, what does history tell us? We're doing a historical plus then I want to to see what should be and I want to look at the line items to say every year this budgeted $3,000 and we have maxed out more

makes sense it'll be like Jeff and his materials and supplies money, right? With the band-aid replacement, right? He might manage that a little bit better. Yes. Yeah.

I know Ralph has mentioned one time, which I think is not a bad idea too. I mean we have lots of I say lots but we have big equipment you know is there a positive something looking at you know pooling you know uh back hoes and stuff you know and saying that you know not every department has to have their you know or I mean that needs you know have their own backhoe or something I don't know I mean it's like a tractor we we've had a crash tractor parked over there for how long now and all of a sudden now we need another tractor replace that I mean if we've been living without it. Do we really? I mean, it's like when you move, you put stuff in boxes and you don't see it until you move again. Yeah. And I'm not even sure. I'm not trying to do you really need it. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah. I don't I don't know when that accident happened to be honest with you. And it could have and let's just say it happened. They're not mowing now, right? Obviously. So, he wouldn't need it until mowing season. Uh, and do you need that one? Do you need a 75? I mean, that's a big trick. I mean, that that's a that's a big trick. And I will tell you that for where they go with it, you want something substantial. You need the right thing or you're going to get somebody hurt. But does it need to be that? I mean, a batwing I mean, it takes it takes a pretty good PTO to operate a batwing. I get it. But

the bigger the tractor you get, the taller you get and the taller you get, more top end you get. And I'm sure that's

an als operations in fire department operations. Those are the only departments that I'm go back and do this review on to see if I can get this number up closer to the three of

focusing on contingency reserve going forward and really holding them accountable to that budget during the year so that it Tom can you go to planning? Yes, sir.

I'm sorry. Charlotte, did do you know of the the accident being reported to Are you familiar with that? Well, that's one thing that surprised me there that did not apply for insurance and he said it's only worth $500. I'm thinking you you know insurance would give you at least you know 50% of it I think or something. Insurance

you don't insure something for $500 that's worth $7,000. So, I I know we've had this discussion already, but to me, I mean, with with having this part-time person here in in in the office from May 23rd to August 11th, I mean, that's that's peak of of mowing season code enforcement. I mean, I know they can do other things and I agree. I mean, at some point I would like to get that person, but in the current climate, to me, that's where we could save $40,000. If we could this person here, this part-time receptionist could

handle a lot of those complaints about That's right. Answer the phones, send bills, lick, put stamps on envelopes, whatever. This This to me seems like the perfect job for this person. Excellent. to f to fill this need temporarily. Again, I agree at some point I would like to see this person. I do think that having this person has value, but given where we're at today with trying to find 500 and some odd thousand, this seems like a good place to start. [snorts]

I agree. So, what I'd like to do is go back and

I think that sounds great, Tom. Sounds good. Good idea, Tom. [laughter] I hope you got more than one this time. Tap it out.

I agree with I agree with your assessment on the code enforcement. We need one full time one of these days for sure. I think we can utilize what and she doing both if it is the person that's now the receptionist or it you won't get you won't get it all covered then you know that because there's other things but because you can't be here and answering the phones and be out driving around looking for code enforcement issues but if we could ask our staff to do that

right well and what was suggested I don't know who's you somebody to Jeff and does. I've talked to him about it and the police do to a degree, you know, noticing things. I [snorts] mean, I drove around today, Danielle and I went to lunch and and we went out to Westwood to look at a drainage issue or complaint. So, as we were doing it, she took down five addresses from just being on over there in the area or any area. So, yeah, you're right. That's 40 grand. So what? Let's let's try to set a [clears throat] date, I guess. Yeah, tentatively. Yeah,

that's what they they're looking at it. Well, we got till January 31st at midnight. So, next week, several are gone this week. So, we have to go in somewhere the week of the 19th through the 23rd. Well, the 19th is a holiday. So, 22. I'm good with the 22nd.

It's not this will be for discussion. because the 22nd 6 o'clock. Yeah. So that would leave the following week as a voting meeting, right? That would leave the following week as a voting meeting. So we need to make sure we've got a a date set then as well. If we wait till the 22nd, then who knows what's going to happen. Yeah, I think the the 29th and the 30th is going to be out for me. 27th. Yeah. 26th 27th or 28th. I'm I'm good. What day you said? 27th or 28th?

What you say about the 26th? I will not be here that week. I I leave for Tulsa on the 25th. So, I can't be there for the vote if we vote Saturday. If you if you like what you see on the 22nd, would you just kind of give an affirmation when you figure out what basketball games are to vote? Maybe the 26th on Monday. Tuesdays and Fridays or I don't know. I mean, does it have to be in this room?

Do it at the basketball game. [laughter] I mean, could we go over to the conference room and waste water? Just have a quick vote, have our quick vote. Can they go somewhere? Water wastewater. Can't they go? Can they go somewhere and that's be in here? They go senior citiz.

Okay. Yeah. I I didn't I mean Tom Yeah, he's got to be both places. You can't be too [laughter] old. He's magical. Yeah, he's like Santa. Actually, he's more like what's the bad Santa what? All right. To me, if it's if it's like saying if if we like everything on the 22nd, what about the 23rd? If we just come in here like at 5:00, I don't Why can't we call the 22nd a voting meeting after an hour after we've been here? Just go ahead and call it

or we have to be prepared. That's gambling that we're all going to agree and that there's not going to be additional edits going to be needed.

That's a I mean Wednesday. I won't be on Wednesday. I go to church. 7 o'clock. Can we meet at Can we meet at your church? You don't care. We'll have to take our video. I mean, the church at 7 o'clock. I mean, would you uh mind like saying if we met here like at 5 to to to vote and Yeah. Okay. Well, or 5:30. We'd be here at 5 to discuss it though, right? This would that would be this planet the Oh, I guess you're right. Session.

That's right. Are you back? Are you back, Steve? Nope. He's gone. No. If we met early on Wednesday the 21st for the study session, could we do it the next next day and vote on the next day? Now, that'd only give you one day to get everything finalized. Well, let's I I don't think so. Let's meet on the 22nd then for the study session. Yeah, because I think it's going to be involved.

Yeah, let's meet on the 22nd for the study session and then we Anybody have big plans on Friday that we could just meet for Could we meet on the 23rd for a for a vote? If if everything figure out when the ball games are, then Tim may be able to be here. I mean that give us be Tuesdays and Fridays. Well, may may not be a home game. That's what I'm saying. Say it may not be a home game on on f on the 23rd. I don't know. Yeah, we may need to vote the following week on the 28th.

Well, I think to me we have the and in that case we could do it early just to vote, right? But he's gone. No, if if it's a if it's an early and then go, what' you say, Steve? I said I won't be here, but if you've got quorum, I'm sure I'll be on the same page as everybody with about after the initial. Yes, you would already know. Yeah, because we shouldn't be in here long. Be pretty close in agreement on the 22nd when we leave. What what's fix to happen? So, it would just be

technically you're going to leave on the 23rd because you're going to be here. Yeah. Past midnight. I'm joking. Come on now. So, let's do the 22nd at 6. Sounds good to me. Sounds good to me. For this work study. Yep. session and like saying then we can either shoot for the 26th, 27th or 28th, you know, and the voting that because even if we do the Monday on the 26th as long as we do it like at 5:30 or something so that Tom and you can be in both places, whatever. Yeah,

we can we can basically we can basically set it after like you said after that Thursday night. Yeah. Yeah, we need to be flexible and do it early. Well, we can do it early or whatever. CS CDC CDC

said the 22nd is is a bad for y'all. It it's not great. We both don't serve on the board and and they are federally funded if your if your board is there. So now But that let's see. Well, that's the But we may have to still do it the 21st though. I mean, we just may have to, you know, and you can leave, you know, at, you know, we can start as early as 5:30 if you want, you know, and and uh and then you need to leave, Roger. ated five. Yeah.

21st car Wednesday. Yeah. I can't speak for him, but there's no ball game, right? There shouldn't be no ball games. What I was going by. Yeah. 20 21st. What do you think, Bob? He's asleep. Bob, [laughter]

he's got he's got some budget cuts. Okay, we'll take that $5,000 and use it. Spread it out in the budget. That'll take care of $24,000. 24,000 [laughter]

5 p.m. Ready? Good. Motion to adjourn. I know it's not official. We're going to do it anyway. Motion to that way then we can do whatever on the after 6:15 or so.