City Council - Regular Meeting

[clears throat] Good evening everyone and welcome to tonight's Greenwood City Council meeting is Monday, January the 5th, 2026 at 7:04 p.m. Miss Derry, would you call the roll for us, please? Certainly. Here, Maker here. Tim Terry here. Roger Rainwater here. Steve Tedford here. Rod Powell here. We have a quorum. Thank you very much. If everyone would please rise, we'll begin our meeting tonight with a prayer led by Trent Hampton from Calvary Temple, followed by our pledge of allegiance from Charlotte area. Mayor, Councilman, y'all have any prayer requests? I know I've never done that, but I'm being serious. Anything that y'all need me to pray for? Uh, peace.

Peace. That's a good answer.

Okay. Lord, we love you. Thank you for this gift of a city, these elected officials, concerned citizens. God, we know that every good thing that we see, every bit of prosperity comes from you. We thank you for the blessings that you've given Greenwood and we get that you've given this region. And Lord, we acknowledge that those are from you. God, we ask that you would help us have unity. Let us have peace. God, let decisions be made that would bring you glory, bring you honor, that would build a better community, build a better state. Lord, we thank you for all these blessings that you let us have the times that you've been able to see your hand at work. God, I ask that you'd help us here tonight, that you would get glory, that your kingdom would come, your will would be done in Greenwood as it already is in heaven. In Jesus name, amen. Amen.

Please face our nation's flag. Place your [clears throat] hand on your heart. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you seated. [cough] At this time, I would ask the council to consider approval of the minutes for the December 1st, 2025 regular city council meeting and the 20 December 22nd, 2025 special council meeting. Mr. Mayor, I can make a motion on the December 1st meeting. No one with us. I should call the meeting. That's it right there.

I'll second. Yeah, I'll make a motion. Both of you have a motion in second. Mr. Brown, yes. Mr. Mer, yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Rainwater, yes. Mr. Ter, Mr. Pal, yes.

Thank you very much. Uh, moving on on the agenda of recognitions and acknowledgements. Uh, we have a couple of guests here, several guests, and thank you all for being here tonight, but I can't go without recognizing right off the top of the State Representative Lee Johnson, Dr. State Representative Lee Johnson, Jack Kitcher, and uh, what's your name? John Wilkerson. Wilkerson from Arkansas Municipal T. Thank you guys for being here and we have other guests and thank everybody for being here tonight. We'll get to you guys in a minute. You may or may not have to stay four hours. I'm just saying. Uh and I I didn't get to do we were talking this morning in the department head meeting about the parade and I was thinking we'd already had a meeting since then, but we had we had it right before. So, I want to congratulate and acknowledge the parade, the Christmas parade this year. Bob, it was excellent. It was fantastic. Uh it was I I personally thought there were more people there than I've ever seen ever. So very cool. Uh and thank you for that job well done and

team effort.

Not really. Not really. No. No. [laughter] It always is and and appreciate that. So thank you very much. The next thing I want to recognize and call out is the uh if you will is our police department. There was recently uh I don't can't talk about it won't talk about it because I don't know a lot about it but there was an issue situation in Greenwood last week chief uh with a with a citizen I don't know if I should say any more than that but it it was handled as professionally as I've ever I was actually out of town and the chief called me to give me uh the information on it but everything that I've heard and seen since and and especially the statement that the chief made after this situation. Uh we appreciate that very much and it was handled so professionally. We appreciate I think I don't think I know we have the best police department in the state of Arkansas. So, thank you chief and thank you your uh your guys and your gals. Thank you so much. We are we are safe for a reason and thank you for that. Moving on right into the agenda, we have committee reports. Uh I believe I looked this afternoon and everybody had turned in. Is that right, Mr. very

well for building department. Yeah, I just didn't get the time.

Okay, Hunter's been out. Thanks back. Welcome back, Hunter. Back surgery. Uh, but if again, as I've always say, if you don't have a report in front of you on your tablet, please get with Danielle and we'll get what you need from those departments. So, I think everything else is pretty self-explanatory. Now, citizen forum is uh and you guys didn't sign up. Shame on you. I'm kidding. Uh but I'm going to let John and and Jack come up and uh do what they need to do and we appreciate them coming in from Low Rock tonight. We're honored to have you.

I appreciate all having us. I'm John Wilkerson. I'm General Council. I'm legislative director for the Municipal League, which I'll say this uh in May will mark 20 years [clears throat] I've been with the Municipal League, which is 20 years I've been working with great city officials, elected officials, and really none better than this city. I mean, the mayor, he's okay, but he's fantastic. Charlotte is amazing. Daniel Gail, everybody in city Greenwood really is just a fantastic, it's just a fantastic group of people. And I know this area well. My cousins grew up here, so I care about Greenwood and so I'm happy to be here. And as part of that 20 years of knowing elect city officials, you also get to know state elected officials. And so it's a great way to start off 2026 by honoring someone who I consider a dear friend who I know is a dear friend of the city of Greenwood and that's Representative Lee Johnson who since he's been in office I think for eight years now. I said, right, has been really just a remarkable person first and foremost, but a great legislator and one that listens to us, works with us, identifies issues, tries to work through those issues. And of course, you all know him in the city in the city council days, but it's a real blessing uh to to honor him today with the distinguished legislator award because of all of his all of his hard work in 2025 and every every session before that, too. And we really we really relish this opportunity. So, Representative Johnson, uh, in honor of those you demonstrated exemplary service that benefited cities and towns of Arkansas from the 95th General Assembly, I hereby bestow upon you the distinguished legislator award. Thank you very much [applause] speech.

Yeah. No, listen, y'all guys know I wouldn't be down there doing this. I mean, if I had if Rod had come and run for city council 18 years ago, I wouldn't I wouldn't have had the opportunity to go serve in the state legislature, and it's been the greatest privilege I've had to be down there serving the people of Greenwood, the people of state, Arkansas. I just I never thought I would have a passion for anything. I mean, I like medicine, but but I truly have a passion for legislation and policy and problem solving, and it's been great to be down there doing that. Hopefully, I'll get that for [clears throat] for a while longer. So, appreciate that. Appreciate that. Surely [applause] you don't think I'm not going to get in a picture. [laughter] You want Daniel? Would you take her picture, please?

Oh, sure. Okay. I mean, as mayor, that's just what you do. Thank you. [applause] Yeah.

Y if you'll indulge me for a little bit longer. I do have another topic I want to cover with you real quick and it is issue three which will be on the ballot in November. Has anybody here heard of issue three yet? All right. So, issue three is well, I'll start with a question. What do you want for Greenville? Um, a lot of cities, a lot of cities say Chick-fil-A, some say a Walmart, some say more jobs, some sort of retailer, an academy of sports, whatever it may be. And really, that's where we like to start the conversation about issue three. It will be on the constitute. It will be on the ballot November 26. And what it is, it is essentially the voters having the say over whether cities and counties are given the keys to the economic engine of that city or county. It is I would say once in a generational opportunity perhaps even once in a lifetime opportunity where the state is the state could give us I would say ultimate control over our our economic progression, our future, but a lot of it. Here's what it essentially does. As you may know, cities don't have a whole lot of tax incentives that they can give. No real incentives at all, especially for retailers. This is unlike every other state around us. And when I was talking to Mayor Cersei the other day, he had actually come back from a 9th grade civics class and the students in that class said, "What kind of economic incentives do you have as the mayor of Cersei?" And he said, "Unlike Texas, we don't have a whole lot." But issue three allows those sort of incentives. What is all about control? If you don't want to mess with this, you don't have to mess with this. If you want to try to find a way to incentivize a McDonald's or you have McDonald's, but you know, wherever you want to go, that back to that question I asked you a second ago, the city now has tools in the toolbox to again chart their

economic future and have more ability, more hands-on ability to have those keys to the economic engine. So it is it can be anything from a grant to a to a business. Not saying that that's what you want to do, but it's anything from granting money, loaning money, or the big one is sales tax abatement, which is a a a retailer can come in and say, "Can you help us out and give us half of the sales tax money we're going to generate in this business back to us?" for a for a part of town that has no sales tax generation, you're basically saying we'll give you half or 30% or 10% or whatever the number is of tax that doesn't even exist right now. The same is true for property tax, which I know you don't do property tax. The counties do, but a vacant piece of property that's have that has 0% 0 of property tax, the county can come in and say, you know what, if you build this, you do it to our specifications, you have the the right amount of jobs, you bring in the right amount of money, then the county can say, we'll offset 50% of your property taxes. Again, this is no money out of the city's coffers. This is an ability for the city to say, you know what, if you build it and they come and they there's sales tax available that we didn't have before, you can have some of that back to help pay off whatever you're needing to do to get that business up and running again. You do not have to do anything. But it is a tool that Texas has, Mississippi has, Missouri has, every other state around us has it. And we are, I can tell you from experience, [clears throat] we are losing opportunities to Texas, to Oklahoma, to Missouri. So again, is on the ballot in 2026. It is all about local control. You have complete control over how this works. The devil will be in the details. Of course, once this gets passed, if it gets passed November 26, the legislature then takes up exactly how to implement it. So again,

issue three is about local control, giving the cities and the counties more ability to control their economic future. I could dive deeper into it. I promise you, Mayor Hins, [clears throat] seen me do it. He gets real deep real quick, and it's not a waste of time. It's a great use of time, but you don't have that kind of time. Okay. Um, please ask me questions. You know where I work. I'll take some now if you need them, obviously. it. I may have this confused from what I was reading. Is it a bit like setting up an improvement district where you would set up an area? [clears throat] Yes.

And so like an improvement district, there's going to be we're a little town and our our law office consisted right there. And so will the municipal league help us set up one of these economic districts if they're going to help us, you know, with the legal and stuff? That is the plan.

Yeah. Because we realize that there's not a whole lot of I'm included in this, not lawyers that know how to ma navigate an economic development agreement on behalf of the city, really any states. And so that's what I'm doing. I'm having conversations with developers or builders across the state to try to get a better understanding of how this works so that the municipal league can be set up to help cities like this or cities with something like this. Will that come in an additional fee or is that part of what our what we've been paying?

I don't know yet. The board meets in August. I hope to have a plan in place by August so that we can hit the ground running um to know exactly how that would work. So I don't know yet to your question about an improvement district. They're called um um economic development districts. Yes.

And so you set it up over you could do it over the entire town. I don't think I'd recommend that, but you could do it in you have some vacant lots that we we talked about during the winter during the executive session or executive meeting. You could place the EDDD over that vacant lot, have it run by the city council or perhaps the city council and some interested parties, some developers that you know and trust and work with the counties to say, "Counties, you're getting zero dollars off that property right now. We're getting zero sales tax dollars off that property. If retailer, business, whatever it is, if you buy that property, if you set this up, if you agree to to employ 25 people over the next 5 years, or the next 5 years, you will get half of your sales tax. Something like that could work. And the county can say the same thing. You have half of your property tax back. By the way, this works much better if the county judge is involved or court, I should say, is involved. I think it really unlocks the opportunities for Sebastian County if the county is there with you on this. project

question. Oklahoma, how long has that been in place over there? I don't even know. It's been a while. Yeah. I know personally since I've been sitting in this chair that great town, I know mayor, everybody's great over there, but they have they have benefited from this for a long time. and things folks uh restaurants other things that were thinking about coming on this side realize that they're not going to get anything right so they go to apartments and I'm sure same in Texas so yeah I look forward to it I hope it I hope it's something and I the judge and I have spoken judge host and I have spoken very briefly on this so he's he is in support from what I can tell perfect

all right well I appreciate y'all giving me the opportunity to talk about this I'm trying to go to um cities to talk about this a little bit more. And so it was a perfect time. Honor Lee Johnson talked about issue three. And uh again, you know where I work. You ever want to talk to me about questions or ideas or whatever it is? I know where you're employed. Where do you work? I'm joking. You know, I'm joking. Well, thank you again very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for coming.

Yes, sir. If we can do it, put it together, would it be possible maybe to set up a little bit of a forum maybe sometime later in the summer, get you back up here and visit the business people and and with all families to do it, too. yesterday.

See you in a couple weeks. [laughter] You got He got his plaque. He's walking them out. Thanks, guys. Appreciate you. I'm waiting for my All right. Good stuff. Uh, now here we go. Bring us all down. Tom. Oh, is it on? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Look at Gwen. She gave you a dirty She gave you the slide out. So, we have one uh young lady that has signed up, young lady that has signed up tonight. If you will come to the podium, ma'am. Uh, state your name and your address.

Sorry. So, good evening. Um, I'm Martin address 1455. Is that on? Okay. Because I was I was told today button hardly ever can hear. Can you check it? Do you see it? There you go. Perfect. Thank you.

Okay. So, I am the executive director of the Greenwood Fine Arts Academy, and I've spoken um to the council before, but tonight I am coming to humbly um ask that you consider financially supporting our organization um once we have a building in, you know, that is that is operating. So, we're asking for operating support um similar to what you do for the Boys and Girls Club or the senior center um you know and and other maybe organizations maybe the library that um things that the city doesn't provide that we can provide for our citizens. Um right now we are set up to um support youth um in youth theater specifically and that's really because we are limited to what we can do. Um we we currently use the performing arts center um at Greenwood High School and the school has been phenomenal in in sharing that space with us and allowing us to use it. But we are, you know, extremely limited on on what we can do there because they have so many events going on all the time. Um, so building a a uh a building a multi-purpose um art center um community space will allow us to have um more classes. We're going to do, you know, not only theater, but we'll do art classes. We're uh we want to partner with the Greenwood Art Guild to do multigenerational art classes. So, we'll have support from older individuals mentoring the younger um kids as as they come up in the different disciplines. Um but we also, you know, have the the plans for this building to be community space. Um we'll be able to host meetings there.

[clears throat] um you know, if the municipal board were to come, that'd be a great facility to to have meetings and to welcome the public in. Um we're going to do, you know, exhibits and and the space will be able to be rented for, you know, parties or or different things. Um movie nights, all kinds of things. So, in saying all that, um think about supporting us. I I know this is kind of a challenging time for the city and um our financial situation. Obviously, I'm on the parks commission and so I'm I'm very familiar with what's going on. Um but keep in mind, too, that our building and our organization will generate generate revenue. Um this this will be a big uh economic impact for our city. We'll have lots of people coming in to see these shows and and to go to these events. I mean, the theater will seat just under 300 people. So, it's it's it's going to be something that that draws a lot of attention to our city. You talk a little bit about they may all know probably the building is going,

right? So, we purchased land at 109 North Main Street. So, that's directly across the street from where the Masonic Club is currently being built. We we tore down a structure there needed to go here. And you you've turned in plans of said buildings and planning apartments from what we're saying. We have already it's pretty pretty cool looking facilities. Yeah, there's there's some nice color print that are in that open. Yeah, we'll give them a lot. So, um thank you for your time. You want to do a commercial?

One more plug. We are doing a fundraiser on January 17th at the Greenwood Performing Arts Center. It will be a variety show. Um so I'm I'm going to give all each one of these, but our own um Mayor Kinslow will be the master of ceremonies for the variety show. So, I know if if you only come out to watch him, it'll be a show until [clears throat] [clears throat]

Thank you. Appreciate you. All right, you guys have to stay tuned, right?

Thank you, Robert. Thanks, guys. Are you leaving? [laughter]

All right, Mr. Marsh, you are up, sir. Okay. Uh, this will be the wrap up for the [clears throat] financials for the year 2025. You'll see the end end of year numbers. We still haven't actually physically closed the books yet. We're still working on getting all the numbers and the journal entries made. But as far as where we're looking, the city sales and use tax had an actual increase over December of 24. 25 over 24 was 2.07%. So we experienced an increase. The cumulative growth though was uh down from 24's numbers by 4.46%. Which put us against budget which we had a 3% budget growth. We lost against budget 7.46% for the year city sales and use tax. We'll get a little bit more into that in a second. As far as the county sales tax is concerned, the good news was that even though we were down 1.38% over December of of the previous year's collections, the cumulative growth did uh have a what I consider to be a zero growth. 02% which rounded as a zero growth. So we ended up on uh right at budget for county. tax advertising and promotion. Even though that skewed number of 32.43% increase over the same period of December, a lot of that had to do with late payer catchup that was being done at the end of the year. Um, however, the cumulative growth for AMP tax collection over uh 425 was down from 24 by 2.65%. Now, remember that's just against the previous year. They had a 4% budgeted growth. So they're down 6.65 against

budget. So there's your highlights of the numbers for tax revenues. As far as the uh city sales and use tax distribution is concerned against other cities and how the other cities fared between 25 and 24, uh Fort Smith's already reported they had a decline in their sales tax. We had an increase kind of bucking that trend. Hacket had an increase. Midland increase barley and bonanza. It's just the ones that you see there are in Mansfield down and remember they we all stand alone. So you have to look at it can't compare us against another but our sales for the city of Greenwood. We're up 2.07% from the previous year. As far as the city sales and use tax when you look at it from the previous months the trend was down 25 was negative all the way through. Then we actually ended up down like I said 4.46%. Uh when you look at those numbers and you want to see what that impact is to the three well actually the four departments that share in [clears throat] that city sales use tax has a 1% that comes in that number that's listed there the 167,328 difference between the 3.7 million and the 3.5 million that was collected for the year. That $167,000 has to be increased by the 3% that we had against budget. So we were down $167,000 from the previous year's collections, but from budget we were down 279,000. Budgeted numbers were what initially the the fire um street and parks department were counting on. So when you look at those three departments, it cost them $39,978,000 in revenue from budget against budget.

So that 39,000 would have been in their propers had we hit budget. We've already discussed the reasons why that didn't happen. As far as the uh water sewer, the impact of water sewer was 159,000. Now they do generate a little over 2 million in their numbers. at 1% which they collect is also down. So their loss was 159,000 and 39,000 for each of the department's fires and street. So I wanted to give you those numbers as far as the uh the rebate data. A little higher than I thought. It's $10,470 for the month of December. However, when you do the calculations in August, which usually reflecting the the June numbers for the fiscal year ends June 30th, if you added these five months right here between August and December up and compare the five previous the five months for 2025, we're actually [clears throat] the rebate was $2,500 less than it was in the 2024 period, 5 month period. So kind of ended up about even and that's one of the reasons why we're going to predict and we're going to budget flat. We're not going to take any measures to decrease what we're predicting. We're projecting that this February we may still see a rather high end ofear rebate coming in in February. We think that the what's generating that what we believe is generating that has a lot to do with that road work that's out uh on the bypass. you think that their major purchasing will probably equal or be slightly less than it was this year because of the amount of work they they have already done and I don't know when any of the additional work will be started for their phase two but I'm

right now we're going with the in the budget process with a zero growth we're going to just keep at the numbers that we've achieved this year and see how that fares for the first quarter and we'll we'll at least see where the trend is going and by the end of the first quarter when we have our budget study session in April you'll know what this number January or February comes in for the large scale uh rebate as far as the tax audit adjustment even though it did increase by 10,000 we'll have that number as well this is also factored in to our budget prognostication on revenue stream from tax city sales and use That's to conclude that we're going to go with the zero growth. As far as the U amount that was brought in as taxable sales, that's a different number. If you were to put back in the rebate and the audit adjustment into the distributions and say there wasn't any rebate and just remove the effect, the 2.07 growth would have been about a 4% 3 and a half% 3.59% growth. And then if you were to look at the distributions for the entire year, this goes through the um full fiscal year, the amount that was dist distributed absent of or added back the rebate and audit adjustment was 4.3 million was 4.2. We were down that 2.2H, which we've already seen. As far as the taxable sales is concerned, that's about a $5 million reduction in taxable sales for the year for the year that contributes to the distribution, which you know is two months and 24 and all of 25 uh through October, November, December

will be 26. So that's still telling a a little bit of a story there because of the 219 million that was collected in 2014 based on the distribution it would be 214 for this year and that's where that 5 million comes from. So there was a little bit of a decline in factors that are other than rebate that went into that. I just wanted you to to see that county sales tax. Um, that's the numbers and that's how it panned out. That I believe is in your packet. We also have a combined sales tax. As far as all taxes, county and city, we were down 2.62 for the year. Now, when you go to the advertising and promotion, oddly enough, they were down 2.65%. Which is kind of in line with the total collection that we had. You do see the August, September, October, and then December months. There was a lot right back here, 25% down, 16, 15. Those those were where there were some late payers in there and they caught up at the end of the year. There was a push to make those uh entities aware and they brought in some of their payments. Did a lot of catch up there. Still wasn't enough to impact the positively growth. There was no growth with this 2.65% down. They are well aware of that and we are budgeting flat as well for advertising promotion for turn 26. Historical trends shows that the percent change from one year to from one year against the previous year 12 to 10 to 12 to 9 to 5 to 6. A little bit of a bump there and back down to negative 5.49. So 2025 retail wise was a and saleswise

was a a down year for us and that parlayed into the as well. As far as cash flow is concerned, we started the 2025 year 17 million. We had a net decrease in cash for the month of December alone at $977,000. Our year-to- date decrease in our cash position was $4.8 million. And that brings our all fund balance to 12,166. And that that is a 28.62% decline in our actual uh cash position. However, if you go against the budget where we would be if the budget had actually performed to the extent that it was uh projected, we would we projected down 67%. So a lot of that had to deal with the capital side. And I'll show [snorts] you that right now. We budgeted 15. Total capital budget was 15.9 right under 16 million. We spent 8.7 million. So there's $8 million in savings just right there. 55.14% is what we ended up citywise. If you look at the water sewer, the water sewer did come in about 50%. 50.55. They actually promised that in there, meaning that they would meet that 50% mark. um capital spend for the city then other than water sewer was 65.18% spent. So there were some adjustments and delays and projects given what was happening with the city sales and use tax. So we are managing that and you'll see that in when the full budget presentation is done. We'll see how that reflects in the 26 budget as far as what their carryovers are going to be and what they're doing and not doing in that budget to accommodate where our projected revenue

streams are coming from. Given that I believe that's it questions, comments from council. My prediction is we're gonna get better and better in my hope and in my prayer, sir. No red. That would be great. I didn't take the red out. [laughter] I actually changed it to blue. You said I think it's what the red represents. [clears throat]

Thank you, Tom. Appreciate you. Uh you'll be nice. You'll be nice. You'll be glad to hear there were no agenda additions this morning from department heads. Does council have anything they need to add? If not, we'll move on [clears throat] to old unfinished business. Number one is city attorney repeal replace ordinance number 23-17 private club for meeting third meeting. [clears throat] AC had some had a concern about that wording on page eight

and I rewarded it at the top to make it more clear. That was a renewal but

that be what you were looking for in the application of Councilman Brown better that shaded part up at the top or do you still have issue with it? Well, I guess I was wondering you know uh can't further read on that you know on page two of this [clears throat] you know it says that the uh uh is the application fee different from the permit fee? Uh, I believe that's that application fee goes towards the permit fee is the way I understand it. I may be wrong.

Well, I guess I was just trying to determine that because it says, you know, that there is a onetime fee charged for applying for the ordinance and it said that it's not prorated and may be refunded. So, I was wondering saying there that word says it cannot be prrated. Does that apply to exhibit A where we do try to prorrate it? Oh, application fee says it's not prorated, but yet we have it up there as prorated if you apply for half the year.

Yeah, but it does say that the application fee that it's not prorated as $1,500. I don't know why there's that conflict. I do know that from the outset we prorrated it. So I guess I wasn't aware that it had that not program in there. I always thought Yeah, but from the outset we did always Yeah, we did give them a break. I remember it. And so I just that we need to strike that not prorated or is that by state law that it's not prorated? It's not not by state law. That was us. Yeah, I think it's our own doing.

Do you think we struck the notrated language there? also struck the section 4. I don't see that should be 5. I just saw that same definition we were just talking about. But where does this section four should be section five? Oh, that's what you should be. is that what we're doing there on the application saying that we're

we're going to give them apply in July or later I'm going to give you 500 or I think that I think that was a reasoning behind your I'm not going to get a full year of your initial permit fee if it's after July 1st. The problem is if you get denied, it says in that section 5 that you get a full refund of 1500. So, right. We're going to we're going to give you a bonus.

So, the application fee is not supposed to be prrated, but a permit fee can be. I don't I don't understand. That's where I'm kind of permit after that. So, there was never even Yeah, that makes more sense. It's weird because

I would think we would prorate the application fee. If they come in the last six month year, it should be granted. [clears throat] But like Travis said, the annual permit you get granted it, it's just gonna be $1,500 a year. No. Okay. It's 1,500 no matter what. So, we just need to Well, then that goes back to strike that not prorated there. That word that was like that in the existing 23-17. I just read it. I looked in there because I was like, I never really noticed that was in there. So then, so for exhibit A then should we say the annual permit renewal is 1,500,

but the initial permit fee, should that really be the application fee? Yeah, it's calling it a permit fee, but there's a conflict with the language. So yeah, I think that would probably fix it. Initial application instead of permit fee. Initial permit application. Initial application back slash permanent fee. Okay. Add the word application. So just that word will fix that I think and then strike the notrated part f application fee definition. Yes. Okay. And then correct that to say 5 instead of four in the application.

Yeah. That was convoluted. So, just want to make sure I understand if it's the second half of the year, it is going to be $750. Okay. Then in section F, the $1,500 fee is required in subsection A will be refunded in full. Should we just say the fee as required and leave $1,500 out? So, we would never so we wouldn't wouldn't be the possibility of them being refunded $1,500. The 5F on page the fee is required in subsection A will be refunded in full. So there's 750 it would be refunded 750 if it were 1500 1500.

Yeah I'll just strike the 1500 say the fee it'll be applying to whatever they actually pay. Yes. Yes. Or you could say not to. That's a good point. The fee should never exceed the amount that was initially paid off. And furthermore, off and B, same principle should apply and B, you should just take off that $1,500 just the fee application fee put there. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. We're swapping 1,500 for the application

in section A or section 5A as well. $1,500 fee say by appropriate fee or application fee. my application fee. That sounds good. Now, the issue I'm kind of wondering, you're talking about in the original application fee definition, it says it needed for state application. Is that why we keep seeing the 1500? Does the 750 something we've done locally?

1500 is what we've done locally for states in excess of what we're doing. So if someone comes in in August that applies at 750 and then want to go to the state, where the other 750 go that they're required that the state requires I have no idea what the state requires. I thought you said 1500 needed for state application. Where are you at?

I'm on the definition of application fee when we started. I mean, is the state requiring something here or is this just all us? Well, they pay the fee and they come to us and we say, "Okay." Then it goes to the state. I mean, is the state required something else after that? Then the state's got its own form like this and it's got going to have its own cost.

I just don't want I mean, obviously, they're not breaking the door down to apply for this club. It's only been on the books for about 10 years, but I just don't want that to be paying 750 bucks for [clears throat] I don't care who it is.

I mean, it does say in section 13 that it's not just the application fee that's prone to prorated. It says in section 13 on page five that it talks about the prorating thing there and it's calling it the permit fee, not the application fee. And I don't have any problem with the prorate. That makes perfect sense because you're only getting you think we should just make it everywhere everywhere that it should be prorated unless it's like an annual renewal. Well, the thing is though, even if they apply on December 31st, they're not going to be reaping any benefits of the building or the club until the next year. If they do it in July 1st by the time they go to all the rigor, they're not I mean, you're never going to

Why wouldn't you theoretically just wait until January 1st, right? Or just make it 1500 period and not prorate. I mean, because you got to go through the three readings. We're going to have all pitchforks and fire torches down here breathing. And then if it passes, let's say July, August, September, October, you got November and December, then it's got to go to the state. And who knows how long it take down there. By that time, it'll be January. I mean, so to even get if you apply in January of a year, then you're done by August, you might have some action going in the same year that you applied. But

most division, anybody know how long it takes once you go to the state, Travis? You're a restaurant guy. Beer generally 60 to 90 days. About 90 60 to 90 days, 1,500. So, right. I mean, I don't know if we would just say make it 1,500. The application fee is 1,500 and that's it. Yeah. I mean, I I guess I understand what we were trying to do by half of that, half the year. But I think the worry was that they show up in November, we give them they pay $1,500 fee. They turn around and get approved by the state, they show up December, they owe another $1,500.

Well, that's just the thing. It's not going to get through our deal until March in your scenario and then it's got to go to the state. So now we're talking June and so finally in July they're approved. They're fixing to fire up. Well then their annual fee would start they'd pay $1,500. I guess we'd start them in June every year. How that I don't know how that work. If you just say it's 1,500 regardless. I I agree with Tim. It's just I say $1,500 and that's it. They're going to so they whenever they buy it that's that is a year from then. Is that right? Sure. Do what? Whenever they whenever they buy their permit or get their permit we're not it is starting in that month.

Well, we've never sold a permit. We only they're only applying. So is is this 1,500 per year? Yes. Yeah. [clears throat] Is there per year not on a Right. So, we have here an application fee that's that says $1,500, but there's not an annual where is the supplemental privilege? Um, where is the annual fee listed in here? 13 section 13.

Well, it's showing here that the state is the same way. They prorated down to half. If it's any permit issue between January and July shall be one half the amount of the fee. Well, section 13 is is really talking about an application fee. But it says permit fee though. But it says permit fee, but it but permits obtained after July 1st of each year, you shall pay half the annual fee. So, it's talking about it's it's describing that permits obtained after July 1st as though it's an application fee.

Well, we're calling an application fee in our previous conversation here, but section 13 is talking about the permit fee, not the application fee. FE once they got approved at every level went through all the red tape and they get approved for their permit August the 10th. So then we would just charge them 750 for that first year of the annual fee and then we start them fresh in January 1st or would you want to start on August and every business will be different. Mr.

I think I think you know if you're going to if you're going to charge them 750 when they apply in the second half of the year I think it'll be 1,500 but I think we need to have some language in here for a renewal fee rather than just the application fee. Well that's in here in the exhibit A at the top it says renewal costs 1500 back there on the application. And where are you looking at that? Page eight, exhibit A. The very first thing it says it's just a matter or do you have to renew on January 1st or do you renew when you finally get the green light to start serving? We're probably close to section 14 addressing that.

So they expire on December 31st. So the state law says it shall be one half of the applicable amount. So it's I don't think I don't know. I don't mean that Travis would cohine but yeah he just showed me that state state law is this is coming from state law and not something we could have

okay I I think that in our definitions we need to have a a renewal definition of the renewal that it's going to be a full it wouldn't ever be prorated and and that there just needs to be some clarity on application fee, renewal fee, and permit fee. And I think it's confusing the way it is. In section 14, what we're talking about right now, it says, "No permit shall be issued for more than the remainder of the calendar year." So, it's acting like it wants everything renewed on January 1st at midnight. that everything starts there regardless of what you pay or

and the way I look at it, you're you're applying for a permit. I mean, we call it, you know, saying it's an application, but you're applying for a permit. I say, well, the application thing just as you get from Charlotte or whoever when you want to start applying and then you bring in here and you get all this filled out, we go through the three readings, you go to the state, then you get a permit. You get a permit from the state, you bring it back to Charlotte, and then you get a permit from us, which is $1,500. And every year they're going to pay $1,500 to us.

And I don't know if the state has a fee for their permit, per se, but that's up to you and the state. If you're I think our definitions are okay because this is just an application. Once you get approved every level, then you have a permit to start operating your business. And it's 1,500 a year. regardless of whether you start it. Well, I guess what I'm hearing you talk about, you're saying that they don't owe the either 1,500 or 750 until after the three readings. Well, normally they I think they cut that check right out of the gate, right, from the application. If it's all denied, you get the money back.

They've done that. They One entity did that, right? And they got their money back. But I'm just saying that you're just going to pay the $1,500. This the 750 if you apply at the second half of the year should I don't think you should be prorated. That's just the fee to get your application. Yes. But that's what she's saying that it's it's in the state. Yeah. The state. It says shall in the states shall shall but it does say shall for the permit fee not the application fee. That's the difference. Correct.

That regulates the price of the permit of which we provide them once they have applied and been approved by the ABC. Yeah. The application's totally is just our kitty to get things rolling. You look like Hunter, but you don't. I know. I know. In the hat. We think it's hard. Anyways, the parts could be probably worked out. You know, Travis can check and make sure it's all kosher. What do you guys want to be?

I mean, approved. I think our per our application when you come in and get this exhibit A, you're going to have a $1,500 check whether it's December 31st, May 8th, June 15th was my birthday or whenever $1,500. Thank you. You fill us out. Then you come back in here and let everybody scream and yell at you and for 3 months and then if we don't vote her down, then we give you $1500 check back. If we say go ahead and the state does their deal, if they pass it, then you come back in here and you start paying 1,500 permit fee a year. I I think the pro rate just go out the window. Is it okay though if it doesn't match?

I mean, the state law says you can do it. So, we we can't. But you said the state law talking about the permit fee, right? Yeah, it's talking about a permit. Uh, so if all the red tape gets through everything and it's September, then we should just charge them 750 for the annual permit for that first four months.

This is all going through the clerk, right? [clears throat] Well, that's just the application. Then if you look at page nine, page nine on uh item three, it says initial permit fee. Initial fee is $1,500 per year, $750 if application is after July the 1st. So again, they're not talking application, they're talking about initial permit fee, the very first one, the very first one. Then they say the renewal fee is $1,500 annually. [clears throat] Yeah. Yeah. We worked all this out when we bang on the very first time.

So that's the permit fee is prorated per state law and per our but the application fee is not prorated. It shouldn't be. Yeah. If I were to ever do this, somebody came in and it's all going and flowing, I would just follow these steps. And I mean, that's what I have done. Which So, we were you're right originally in the application fee definition to say not program. So, we still need to drop that. No, I don't think you do. I don't either. I think it's okay. I mean, we we were just getting permit fee and application fee, but they're two different bills.

Yes, we did come full circle. We had a perfect document. It was all worked out except Well, they didn't have perfect because we need five, right? But the importance of getting it right and knowing it's right before Yes. the first one comes in. Yes. The new first one. And we do want the application instead of the 1500 on page three. I think that is good. the word application instead of 1500 because of the 750 application. I don't think so. Three. Yep.

A B A and B and then striking 1500 on F 5. Just say a B. Still okay. That seems less ambiguous. Yes, because that's part about the application. Charlie, you're the one that's going to be going through this, right? And you're going to want the one holding the $1,500 check and see and answering their questions. Yeah, I'll just try this.

I mean, it's pretty easy. Any application fees 1,500 regardless of when or where permit fees can be prorated if it's approved after July 1st. So is exhibit A the application? Yes, it is. Yes. And it still stands that that is yes. Yeah, we agree. So the application is not pro. It's 1,500 the permit fee if you're apply if you're approved from the state and through the city and then it'll be prorated. I see in parenthesis it says this is an initial application or annual renewal that is there.

Yeah. So I think that needs to be scratched just either need to just eliminate that line right there. Two different forms maybe one for renewal. It is the initial application and it also is the annual renewal form. You just need to take out where this 750 applied right here. That that needs to go. I mean, I'm sorry. That's that that is the permit fee. Oh, see, annual permit renewal cost is $1,500 right there. Yes. The application fee. We're going to put the word application. So, then the program. Yes. Better for you if you have to have two. You need another line. Do what? You need to add another line that says application fee.

It's 1,500. But we were going to put that word application initial application slash permit. Okay, we need to get rid. Did we just call a [clears throat] permit application? Yes, because if they get their initial I think it would be better to have two separate forms then I think that's why she got it highlighted because I was telling you that the initial permit fee is something different than the application the annual permit fee. And then the annual permit fee. Yes. Correct. What do you folks think? This is crazy, isn't it?

It just to call it a permit application and permit renewal. It is already privilege permit application. An initial application and renewal all says it in the header. additional and then it breaks it down and tells you that the permit is 1,500. The Charlie's dealing with them. When does it say the application fee is what needs to be added running experience with it? Only one person has applied ever.

You're shaking your head. what we're talking about. I thought you were shaking your head. No, I was talking Travis on on our application uh form. You know, it refers to state law 3-9-22131A. That is still current. They did amend it or did they repeal or did they replace it? 22131. [clears throat] Yeah. While we're going through all this, I just want to make sure that was correct because I know they did do some amendment amending to it.

We're good. Were you talking about locker and locker systems and pool? Is that what you're talking about? About the middle of the page. It's just the method for dispensing alcoholic beverages pursuant to ACA 3-9-22131 A. Then it has the two still the two options two. Okay. And on the following page, the 3-9-222, that's still good. They didn't.

Yeah, they had changed state law about that, still I thought they changed some state law about how you get it, how it could be delivered. That's what it was referring. I thought that was what it was referring to. I thought that one changed the nonprofit thing where the private club would get it from to dispenses. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, there's something when I read it only certain people could bring it in certain ways and they kind of did some things.

They made it less restrictive. B. That should actually be 3 9221 B1 A lowerase B. So we need to change that on this. So our application is correct. Did you catch that? No. On so on there the method used what's that number now? It should be uh 3 9221 lowercase B 1 A. Okay,

got I'll change that. So as far as I understand that change needs to be made to this page eight and then we need to also put application on initial application in the shaded part instead of permit fee it should say actually Charlotte I think I would put ACA 393-9-221 at SEC okay ETQ. Okay, sure. That covers all that. Okay. Instead of the 221D. Yeah. Okay. That covers all 221. Okay. Yes. I can see another part that might apply.

Okay. Travis. Yes, sir. So, on the next page on page nine, we're pursuant to state law 3-9-22. We're still okay there. That hasn't changed. That's a question on it.

Char, while he's looking, I think at the header of exhibit A, it just needs to say that your application permit cost is 1,500. And then you can squeeze it in there above annual permit renewal cost you permit cost or just application fee. Okay. Application fee 1,500. That way we'll get the word permit out there. I thought we were still prating. That's right. That's still effective. Okay. Thank you.

We're not incorporating the application fee or the permit group. We are the per the permit renewal is the state's law. The permit renewal should always be 1500. It's just the initial perial. This is working exactly right. Everything that says up here in this shaded is perfect. Everything it says right there is perfect. [laughter] All we need is for an application fee is $15. And when you pick this up, you give you a check and give her this. No matter what time of the year. Correct. It's 1,500 bucks to fill this out. Okay. Then we

all the red tape. You get approved by us. You get approved by the state permit. Then we still need right up there in the definition. Right. Okay. Agreed. I will do it. Once you're clear of everything, you come down here and get your permit fee is going to be whatever time of the year it is initially. That's when you got it written. initial permit fee and then on January 1st which actually it says here they want you to repay after December 1st for [snorts] the annual permit renewal cost of 1500. You want to have me make these changes and table this for another month or this is a lot of changes. Yeah.

Yes. One thing too that I I want to What did those discuss on page six? We have a private club permit, a supplemental tillage permit. The supplemental privilege permit fee is Is there a fee for the private club permit or is it's this 1,500?

So, what is the supplemental privilege permit bee? And then is the then is the permit renewal. It says a be established by the city for the privilege of operating private open uh is hereby elected an annual supplemental primage privilege permit fee in the amount of $1,500. So and and that shouldn't be prorated.

Well, we haven't listed prorated. Charles. Okay. So, so this to simplify this, it would seem like you could come up with the definition for a permit application fee and a permit renewal fee. And the permit application fee is $1,500 before July 1st, $750 after July 1st, and then

the permit renewal is $1,500. Period. And if their application is denied, they would be reimbursed. But in no case would it ever exceed the amount that they paid in to make sure that we wouldn't pay $1,500 for a $750 fee. But but those two are are worded differently throughout the document. If we just called one a permit application fee and permit renewal fee, then those two and then we could say permit application fee define it. permit renewal fee defined it. And then anytime it says $1,500 or whatever in this application, it will just say as defined in

but the state is going to say it's your initial permit or it's your renewal permit. Well, it's you've got a permit application fee and a re and a permit renewal fee. Well, I agree with you, but the permit application fee is $1,500 to apply for the city of Greenwood a private club license regardless of when I think that's great. I think that's great. The 750 deal only is if you get a permit to open your establishment through the state like in in mid year. Yeah.

Just it's just a one time thing. Afterwards, it's always 1500. That's what it says on the top of that header because a initial permit fee might be 1,500 or 750. Like you started out the first year and you finally got your permit and it was after July going to pay 750, right? And then [clears throat] thereafter 1,500 all time. Yeah. Yeah. It just gives you a break when you have to wait a year. there there's confusion that it you're going to pay $1,500 no matter what time of year you apply to fill out the application $1,500 period that just starts the process. Then if you go through all the hoops and get the ordinance and it's approved [clears throat]

and the state approves it, then you have to pay another fee for the permit or something. Whether it's the beginning of the year or the end of the year, that dictates whether you pay $1,500 or something. Thank you. That's that's good. I clear Charlotte's going to get two $1,500 checks during this process. One to come to us and then 6 months later they're she's going to come back and say, "I'll give you the permit. You got your state clear. Where's my $1,500 check?" She's going to be swimming in $1,500 checks. I'm not. And you should go to Mexico.

But I'm about I'm still on on page six. Why don't we Why don't we have a private club permit and a supplemental privilege permit? I think it's just kind of breaking down the This is the verbiage of all. We've been talking about definitions and this is the actual whereas value where all that it's the permit and then the fee for it. Those are two different things. That's B and C. But what is the difference between A and B? [clears throat]

Where you going? Where are you going? Trent, pray for us. You want to be with your statement? [cough and clears throat]

This is that's just telling you you have to have the permit. It's just telling what the permit gives you the ability to do.

Way I'm reading that, which is what B is telling me too. It's I mean, if you're a private club, you can I'm thinking we just need one or the other, but we do need C because he's saying that the there is a an additional fee in addition to the privileged uh license fee or regular business license fee $25 a year. I think that the private club deal the only one thing I can see that jumps out at me is that the B is talking about operating one within the city as opposed to a never mention anything about a city. It's just talking about having a private club and selling.

Yeah. Maybe even some something on a county line or city county line or something. I don't know. I don't know. Pretend to know what I'll kind of Yeah. There is a motion on the floor to table. Correct. With the changes. Changes discussed.

Well, I guess we another thing about the changes uh again is uh this is just a bit picky, but you know, kind of confused me when I first read it. Uh on page five under section 14 there's a four there which I don't know why you know that four needs just to be omitted. It says like the second sentence in case the revocation or surrender of four such permit needs to be just eliminated. I'm sorry. Which section 14?

That's weird. I think that must be a tried translation. Yeah, one of those did Just the other question is when they do uh do a renewal fee, when is that due? Somewhere is in there. It says I want you to get it paid starting December 1st by the end between that and end of the year that is 13th. Where is that at? Section 13.

Yeah. They expire on midnight December 31st. All parties have to be paid between the December 1st and 31st of each year. So if I get it this year, then I don't have to pay it till December. No, that's when that we pay in December to remove for next year. Yeah. Doesn't say that. Says of each year. It doesn't say for the preceding or the following year or whatever. Says of each year. The way I would interpret that is that I have till December to another fee

or that you can only pay him in December. That's all time you want to. I would say I said you wanted a month in advance or whatever, but I would just say that you need to for the So, should you say all permit renewal fees [clears throat] between December 1st and December 31st? But of man, words I need to pay in December for 2025 or 2026. It's kind of like us saying we won't get our budget approved in December every year. We never knew, right? But I said, you know, to me saying each year in January,

I don't know how you put that there [laughter] [cough] for the following year or what. [snorts] So, I put a lot of stars by all the areas y'all are talking about. I think I understand what y'all want. If y'all want to table it and bring it back next month, we can work it over. And I think there was already a motion. Need a second. And then uh we can write it by state too just to check before we bring it back. That would be maybe it'll last another 10 years. So Travis uh have saved just clear.

So Don Zimmerman wrote this t wrote the whole the title and and that so the the reason we're back into this is because something in state law changed and that's why we're we were looking at the taxation. Now we're into the weeds of some language because we're going to have somebody like C like AC fighting over his cable bill looking at the wording and trying to catch us on something. Well, now's the time to catch it, honestly. Yeah, that's what maybe we'll make it for 10 years.

So the but this is correct. these percentages they at the time Don Don Zimmerman wrote the header it was just it's changed correct um I can't remember what year this changed like before 2019 maybe I'd have to look that's fine well not only the percentages changed but the qualification of a private club changed is that just changed this year this lock just

all that lock box where they're talking about the initial ones and application. I have a motion and a second Mr. Brown. Yes. Maker. Yes. Mr. Terry, yes. Rainwater. Yes. Temper. Mr. P. Yes. table.

I have a comment. I already have a question to Travis related to this. Travis, you the lawyers always go for your classes and municipal league stuff. So, Conway, which this was all based off of Conway because Conway is in the same situation we are except they have three colleges in much bigger town. But they also have private clubs.

Yeah, that's that's my question to you. They've gone in and they worked on some districting for that district where they can be outside in the open and actually walk within a certain

entertainment district. And if that comes up, I mean, if if there's stuff that's going on in your classes as related, I just wanted you to pay attention because then that may be something we can work out with our planning and go in and set some areas like that, try to target an area. And I know what happened because I question a lot because there's an area in downtown Conway in an older part of town. It was very industrialized at one point and there's signs you cannot pass this area but you can walk from place to place with basically an open that's it. So you've been there?

Yeah, I go there. There's a pizza place and uh Ralph's probably been there anyway. They're exactly like us. If they can do it, then we can do that. have to do that. If you're ever in a class and you see it, you fully understand it, you can say, "Hey, we could go ahead and do this. I I think I understand it well enough where we can get it through. I'll keep my eyes." Yeah. I'll be down there next week. Well, I'll be here, too. Won't be in the same classes. Can I ask a question about that real quick? Yes. I don't know much.

We look for that grant class that you were referring to about next week, but we didn't find it. It's in March. Is it on their website? Yes. That's what we went to last year last year. It's not the conference. It's a separate it's a separate it's a separate deal as March the standard was last year. It'll be in it. It was going to be at in North Little Rock at the league headquarters. It's not on their website. Okay. Last time you brought it up, the only grant thing there is is next week at the conference, there is a breakout session for water sewer grants,

but not just a normal grant link. You might maybe you got an email or something. I don't know, but it's not on our on the website cuz we've been looking He's not talking about the the conference. I know he's not. He said in March. Yeah, it's not. But that's good information. Does do Does our water sur know that? Yeah. Yeah. She she got the agenda and she's going going. I've been to those workshops. Go to the next one. Thank you for being diligent. Yes, sir. So, well, I'll I'll look. It was in the email. Okay. And I'll now if I go back and look for it. Are y'all really interested in going or y'all just Well, we don't. Okay. I mean, but me and like I said, me, Jeff, and Stuart went last year. I I'll go back and look for

Yeah. Sorry. [clears throat] All right, moving on. Number two, old unfinished city clerk treasured millage roll back calculation was table for the previous meeting. You have some information from our illustrious Zach Johnson.

Yeah, he he has uh communicated with me on email. He prepared the statement that's number two in the packet along with an attachment where the little round up to the nearest one detail is. He didn't know that before when he notified us. He just you know by statute supposed to notify the taxing entities about this and since then they he has it has come to light there's this rounding up detail. So we are safe. It's just like we're taxing at five mills. So there's nothing to take action or do about. So reach out to him if you have any more questions, but prepare this for y'all. [clears throat]

And you know Zach, I know you do. He's always to help questions or comments regarding this. Nothing to worry about. Sorry. I wish I knew better. Call him up. He's selected. Well, I don't understand. He's saying [clears throat] that our our 4.7A is going to be rounded up to five. Yeah, it's Yeah, we're at five. Okay. Yeah, we're most communities are state. Yeah,

they've been near. Okay. Number three under new business city council discussion to bid a discussion on bid procedures was added from a previous meeting. I think Mr. Ted requested this I believe. Y do you remember that Steve? I probably actually slept since well it is in the minutes. There is a little portion to

refresh your memory if needed and it's on page it was when we were talking about the uh audit report. So item number four in minutes December meeting you had requested was about the state bid procedures that the city has saying he had. So anyway, um, you requested that procedures be discussed at this meeting, so I added it to the agenda. I provided you also an additional copy of the Arkansas statute on bid procedures and park shaded part on that item number three in your packet refers to state bid procurement and then I've given you a copy is also attached and our current bid procedures or mass.

We may have to table that to next month. Okay. No discussion. I mean, do you remember if you I'll have to go back and look at it again and and ground myself in it. Okay. So, we want to take it. Then do you want to make a motion table

brown? Yes. Maker. Yes. Terry. Yes. Rainwater. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Number four is planning ordinance amending ordinance 23-10 incorporating regulations for accessory dwelling units emergency passage. Mr. Hunter. You are Hunter Michaels. Correct. That is I think I think I can talk loud enough. Sorry.

Uh this is the one of the state legislation changes for this last session uh that we were mandated to incorporate into our zoning ordinance. Uh it was supposed to have been done January 1st. I did not get to it via the emergency passage. This is what I call a quick and dirty adhere to state law and just amend our zoning ordinance while we undergo a actual massive large scale zoning change. Yeah. So this will bring us in within current state law, but you intend to go into the weeds a little bit deeper throughout the year and come back with a a massive

There are other changes that do have to be made, but they were not mandated to be changed by a certain date. They would be changed by April, July, something next year. Uh I believe in your packets you have a version of this that had two exhibits. You would have had uh pack 313 which adds the accessory dwelling unit language. And then you would have had exhibit part B which would add uh the planning tool which would allow for administrative reszonings. After Sunny and I have talked to another planner, you know, in around the state, we determined that we would not like to add that at this time. It's not required of us to add it. It was just a tool for us to use. I think there's too many liabilities associated with it at this time and we'd rather see it see another couple cities [clears throat] take it over first and see how they implement it. see if they end up keep us out. So,

what's left in here or another? There's nothing left. It's a header and an emergency clause. Everything else is true. You should have section one amendment. The only one that's texting [clears throat] units. I do.

Yes. And that should continue. And the language that would be added into our existing ordinance is italics. Everything else is just pertinent to this specific ordinance is generic language. And then everything that you see stripping and highlighted is the other passage that we are going to remove. We are requesting removal. Our legislators, they hate cities. Yes, they do. The realtor lobby. I think it's homebuilder association law. I don't know that they hate cities, but they hate local control,

right? Well, they don't mind the city being there as long as you just do whatever you Right. And you got worse coming, right? Is there already plans? I I can go into detail on this if you want, but to be honest, this is pretty much cutting the past from state law. And the state law was pretty plain. It ties our hands. We can't regulate more. So, so and you do have an emergency clause on here. That's the only thing left.

Yes. In my emergency clauses, I intend to from now on to justify the reason for the emergency clause in the emergency clause section. That way there's on record on file always the reason why we got to do it. Can we add declaring an emergency in the cloud? I forgot that was one thing you asked me to do in court. Good job. With that change motion second, Mr. Brown, yes. Yes.

Terry, yes. Yes. Mr. [clears throat] Keeper, yes. How? Yes. Unanimous. An ordinance to amend exhibit A to ordinance 23-10 to incorporate state mandated regulations dwelling units declaring an emergency and for other purposes. Motion wave the second third reading. Second motion to second wave the second third reading. Mr. Brown, yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Terry, yes. Rainwater. Yes. Mr. Temper. Yes. Yes. Make the motion that we adopt. Second motion second to adopt. Mr. Brown. Yes. Mr. Baker. Yes.

Mr. Terry. Yes. Mr. Bra. Yes. Mr. Temper. Yes. Mr. Make a motion [clears throat] the emergency clause. Second. Motion. Second. Vote the emergency clause. Was that Mr. Brown? Yes. Mr. Maker? Yes. Mr. Terry? Yes. Mr. Grandwater. Yes. Pepper. Yes. Mr. P. It was your second was council. Yes, sir. Okay. [snorts] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Michael. Appreciate your work.

Okay. Uh number five, resolution in support of reviving state run federal surplus program property program. Uh the resolution well let me let me it's self-explanatory but powers that be uh and the reason I'll just jump to the reason uh program was recently shut down due to a reported $300,000 operating deficit largely caused by changes in federal policy for shift surplus property sales online platform reducing the volume value items available to the state and so on and so on. So it has been this may be a too little too late. I hope it's not but uh we're trying there is a AML has suggested that we present this and and send it on to the governor and the general assembly and try to keep this from closing down. We the city has have utilized this over the years. I don't think we've got a whole lot of large equipment items from them. But the the folks that's hurting this that are going to be hurt the most are the small towns, Arthur, Hacket, Mansfield, all those everybody because they don't necessarily buy equipment either. I mean, some do, but you know, they're relying on this for filing cabinets. I even talked to mayor that says this is where I get my pens and and paper clips and all that. So, there is a move to shut it down. I think I heard today that Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Uh that it may be too little too late as I said, but I think it's important that if you guys can agree to try to keep this open [clears throat] that we pass it on and do our part to do to do just that. Well, certainly didn't hurt to pass this money, right? And it does look like it's weighted. I think that is something that was weighted to small towns. Large towns don't care. Waldron, Greenwood, you can benefit from places like this. Yep. I make a motion we adopt the resolution. Second motion second to adopt. Mr. Brown, yes. Mr. Maker, yes. Mr. Terry, yes. Mr. R. Mr. Yes.

Thank you very much. Get that the where it needs to go. Uh, Department of Reports and questions from council. Still have a few here. Several actually. There they are. Gentlemen, I got questions and comments for them. I behind you. Are y'all going to submit your budget? I told fire and streets. So the plan is tomorrow night for six.

Yeah, we got a stay station tomorrow morning at 6 for those in the general including I Chief Brian and I met with Tom today to go over his got that all set. Jeff had some tweaking to do. You got it already. So they're he's good. I've already done it my part but they've done their part. So, we're good to rock and roll tomorrow night. You guys already said that. Is it general street and fire? Yes. Sorry, I misunderstood the text. Charlotte had text. Yeah, there was a question whether or not we were going to need the

discussion. So, I didn't know whether that was going to be everybody. I'll figure it out. Are both of y'all going to be there? Absolutely. Better they're presenting it. Well, I don't know. That's why we're here. This late in the game. Yeah. So, everybody sound like except for Mr. Terry. My apologies. Okay. Good. Okay. Tomorrow night at 6. What is it? Street fire and general.

Anything else for the departments? If you're not, we go to council forum. Mr. What's your name? Bob. Mr. Bervvis, I know, has a [clears throat] something he'd like to visit with you about. Salex back [snorts] in salex renewal.

Yes. Back in the 1970s, my dad at Game of Fish Commission handled that surplus program for Game of Fish. and he did a list from state of here's what's available and he got a note that said among things available 18 cases of assorted nuts, bolts and cotter keys. He thought you know that' be probably handy for all our field offices. Everybody have a good box of nuts, bolts and cotter keys and screws. So he checks and said send all 18 of them. About three weeks later, somebody came in and said, "George, there's six semitrs sitting out with a delivery for you."

It was 18 walkin buildings full of boxes. And they haven't run out yet. Yeah, they still got them. It still goes.

We I met week before last year. We talked about the the need to have some talking points and all be on the same page and we put some thoughts together. Uh the staff went over them this morning and made a few revisions and changes a couple of things, but just to talk about what we're doing, why we're doing, what we're renewing, and make sure we all say the same things because I think it's important that we've got a unified message. This is not graven stone by any means, but I think these are some are the major points. We're going to talk about this renewal. We're going to talk about those for 10 years and then [clears throat] talk about it again. We're going to talk about that because we're kind of a regional hub for people in South Sebastian County, a lot of ourselves to pay by people in the region and advantage for us. It provides a lot of the funding for the fire department. Talks about our class two fire rating that we're in the top 5% of cities in the nation in our fire rating. It talks about that we've got really great heart. name another town our size got a B park anything like that uh our street department constantly doing the repairs these monies are also broad the points you've made several times a lot of this money is multiplied over and over and over because when our departments do things we get grants and we only have to put up 20% so it's multiplied five times on those things it's a public safety tax in a lot of different ways without the 3/4 cent sales tax, these departments will be much more dependent on general fund, which is where a lot of our police department funding comes from, which means everything gets hurt when when that has to happen. So, it it contributes. We're known as a safe city in Arkansas and this keeps us a little slow there

opportunity to stay safe, healthy, prosperous. Added to that, the second set of his fact sheets were put together by department. And I will say that Casey and Stuart and Jeff and I were all our own secretaries. So if you see something that looks like maybe we had a little Microsoft Word that didn't line up exactly right, that would be why. Uh but these are projects that have been done and planned for the future. I forgot to ask Steuart for his plans for the future. He's going to get that in the next paper. What I would ask of you all to do with this at this point. Read them. See what we missed cuz you you're the ones that are going to have to you're going to have to administer this. You're going to have to go with this. So read all these points over. See what we've missed. See what we need to take out. thinking on the fact sheets if we need to cut these by 2/3 of the 10, we want to show the the public that a lot has been done over the years. It's not just in free money sitting there. The city has done a lot of this money. So, at this point, I don't really have anything I want you guys to approve one way or the other other than I wish you looked at these and then if we had a few minutes, maybe we talk about tomorrow even if there's thoughts on that. Bob, did you put in this glance through this since you revised it? Is there you mentioned the grants while ago and that's that's something I really talked about too much, but to be able to use this money to multiply it. I don't think that's in print anywhere. Is it?

It was in one of mine about the the cost share on the on these. I I put in mine. We may not have made. Okay. I mean, I think that's a great point to make. Yeah. You know, we're putting in 20 cents on a lot of these projects, parks projects, the projects that the streets fire departments doing, fire department, we get $100,000. You know, we talked about the importance of anybody having the money to to grease the kids with the state on the bypass product project. And if you don't have that the abil you don't have the ability to match that, the state's not going to look at your project and that's going to really help the city.

Everything this just allows us to we're investing in future people. That's all this is. Originally, when we passed this tax, there were certain stipulations on what the money can go for and We're talking about grants matching funds for grants is most part of the exactly I I it has to be it has to be a project that's within what's approved in the ordinance. So just not every it's just frees up the money. I guess my point is not that we use necessarily the money to this this tax money for that but it frees up money from other other it just makes it all bigger. Yeah. It's like a piece of dough. I see for something. Yeah.

And I know that may be hard to explain the people. We have to write a check for 20%. So something department doesn't care which right in the same sense that if it were not to be renewed that doesn't just affect those three departments, it affects that department and everybody else. That's public safety is probably the most important part of it just because of the ripple effect that it would have.

And I made a comment today and I have been for several months. the department had to get tired of hearing it. But I we'll continue till I said November today, but Don, it's March, not November. We don't have much time to really work on this. And so as I look at these department heads that have several employees that that they talk to fire department, street or police for sure, multiple families that need to know this and don't not just in passing, hey, we need to get this passed. we get people to the polls and plans just roughly that we just started talking about but lay out things we have to do two town halls that we'll put together and I will tell y'all that our our star in all this will be make it does make a good presentation

that's great uh we'll do a couple town halls we do a presentation senior center [laughter] and I I would suggest we do that fairly soon if we can ask them to be advocates we go to fire meeting and ask fire department to be advocates for us I'm also going to as chief going to come in at one of his staff meetings. We can get these points to everybody talking them up. Thing the other thing we're working on, our county clerk has agreed to do like we did several years ago, do a voter registration program high school for kids that are turning 18. So, we're trying to set up a an assembly up there so we can hopefully find maybe another 100 or so voters right there. And then we'll we did that very successfully on the last 10 initially. We will

I don't know. We have to do that pretty quick. It's pretty strenuous by the time they register to when they can. I mean, there's a little I think it's 30 days before. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little window there. A little window in there. I got to find out exactly what those are and then we set up. Yeah. See, like my son, he turned like 1800 July 1st, but he couldn't vote. Somebody was Yeah. And I think you can register before your birthday. I understand what she told us last time. Say your birthday is March 2nd. Election is March 3rd. You can register on February second.

And there I got one for fire like maybe 20 should say supported in supplied safety gear for in excess 30 volunteer firefighters. Steve's got we need to add in the sidewalks along Tinsar and the in the improvements that did co with the Arkansas Department of Transportation on there. We count on the sidewalk that was already but did we match? Yeah, you did. Well, we originally 20 but it ended up being 45.

Yeah, exactly. We did match money for that. Yes, we did. But that's an important point because you have that money to match. It's not tax dollars, but it's freedom. Otherwise, we wouldn't build. We're taking small amounts of money and turning into larger amounts of money. And that would not have happened if we did not have the sales tax. Your overlays are there's a match there. Yeah. Yes. The ones you listed for other

unfortunately and I'll be the elephant in the room or whatever. But your future projects don't include overlaying center street and that's going to be the one that kills us spur. Well, it's it's supposed to be for longer than that period, right? Right. That's longer than 10 years from now. So, you could realistically longer than 10 years. The tax it's going to be for 10 years. So, that won't be done till after 10 years. The engineer told me that we should anticipate 20 years life on that over. [laughter] That's why I'm saying half of that. Yeah. So, I mean that will probably happen on the next 14 in of snow or whatever.

Oh, yeah. Period. Thoughts guys, I don't want want you to hurry. I say everybody had a chance to look over there and see tomorrow and go forward. No pride in authorship in this at all. We're just trying to hold it in the same place. It's a great This is a great deal. 100% agree. Street department is Did you already mention the signs that we're going to do? No, we Yeah, we we we had got together. We had I mentioned the other day, we're going to kind of roll the plan up of where to stick some signs and try to get that to

Yeah. paid for by your city sales and use tax. So like the exactly like what you see the highway department signed up the splash pad advertising that we can do, right? Which just like Exactly. Yeah, this this was made because of your possibility. Exactly. Well, you know, and he's got a sign out there on an inclusive park going towards Westwood. You could surprise sit up and add something help help complete this project on the on the plot by passing this tax. Could we put one on a fire truck just drive it around future project? Can we put a expensive drainage stud? I mean we are planning

the drainage stud make sure I didn't miss anything There's a couple cases I was also interpreting what they were talking about. Where do you get funds to do all this?

Well, tomorrow night you don't go back to meeting everybody check. There's not a lot of money we can spend because we just don't have, you know, we don't have a local radio station. We don't have places we can buy. We need to get some signs out. And if all you guys are going to discover when your re-election bids come up this fall, price of the little street size has just I tell you what size. Let me think something and I can do this for free. Uh that's why I want to come here tomorrow because we start basketball season tomorrow and I'll be broadcasting from Vanurren. So if you'll print me what you want me to say, I'll say whatever you want me to say about doing this tax.

I will. I will. send you a text. We have two games until

every one of y'all made a social media post on your private message that would go out all year. What the object of this fact sheet is is for the city to put out an official fact sheet campaign. Here it is. Here are the facts. So that's why if you guys can always look that say hey yeah this these are the things narrow it down add to it whatever then the city then can put out a fact sheet put on the website put on the Facebook page have it there another Facebook page but

nobody existed so I don't see any point didn't we run into that city time y'all the fact of what was spent

with tax money. Not saying go vote for this tax for your progress. We all work today. Tomorrow we'll be over a little bit future project everybody day off putting stuff together and I forgot to ask you about the future project but I tell you we were both

when we do our fact sheet especially on the streets I mean do we need to clarify that part of that was grant money or not money and part of it was tax money we don't want to be misleading you know probably would probably generically say getting down to specific which street which

part my friend had a t-shirt shop you want to buy that shirt you can buy a red one or a gray one why don't you have a green I have three they'll want it they want a purple one so keep it simple thank you sir Okay. Uh, anything else for council

for the council forum? That's where we are. Sorry. I was just wondering I think I talked a little bit about Bob with Bob about this, but you know this is the 250th year. You know, do we have anything in the works for celebration?

Well, I will I will give you my list. I told AC about some of this. One thing we thought would be really cool. we could have a fly over, you know, neat deal that come zooming over and have the band come play the national anthem right after the fly over right before the fly over. So I happened to meet Colonel the Arkansas National Guard who told me that his office was the one that issued the yes or nos on those in Arkansas and told me where the process began and began with the department of defense. It's multiple multiple pages to do online and then I found out that you have to go to the FAA and the FAA has to approve any event fly over that you do. So I sent the application off to FAA and and two days later I got approval back to FAA. They approve fly over. So then I went to the department of defense instruction department did all this on DoD and then it says but if you want air force you got to go to the air force and do their thing. So I went to the air force site and started the whole process over again. And some things take five six days at a time and six or four days. I got approval back from the United States Air Force for a flyover at 4th of July Greenwood, America. And then they said, "Hope you can find somebody that's got an airplane." What? FAA approved the route. Air Force is not anymore. Air Force approves it. Says, "Yes, you're eligible. It'll be a great deal." But the Air Force doesn't help you get somebody that has an airplane. They have a website that lists all the

air force bases in the United States and you can contact one of them and see if the base commander there would be willing let an airplane come fly over your base has C130 if they don't fly on federal holidays.

Well, they're out. So I went back to the colonel in Little Rock and I said probably how can you help actually what he would be able to approve would be a helicopter flying out of Camp Robinson that may be what we asked for because the next nearest the only place we get a jet nearest place is Tulsa airport there's an F-15 squadron there we don't have any contact with them the F-35s here belong to United States Air Force belong to Poland. Yeah, I met that guy. You talking about for the 4th of July? Just email Poland. I talked to them and they said that's

they have to use those things here lately already. Yeah. So that's the deal. Yeah. I'm glad I'm the process to see if I can get a military ban to come down and do a regional air force band just reg. And I got that process all the way down to part that said where I signed a deal says I agree to pay for transportation, meals, and lodging for 3 days for 75 people. Wow. That's where we are. So the bottom line is we're going to get Daniel to fly his drone across.

Yeah, I think that's we are official. We are an official. We were the first official to be adopted for today. Look got her name on there. Well, I appreciate your diligence. How you do your job? We're going to we don't mind. I don't mind getting told no. I just keep trying. And I would give up what I did. We're going to find we may we end up be may end up asking a high school band to play and do an extra landing, but we're going to try to make a little bit more newsworthy event for Greenwood America as a patriotic account. That's the bottom line. Yes.

So, we're talking about the 250. We're also going to be celebrating our 175. Yeah. And 175. You know, we met with the Historical Society last month. We'll be with them again this month. Yeah. But Ed was kind of trying to be the driving force behind that. That's where Ed went into a you know two month hiatus. He back at work and you know just act like Ed see what we could kind of devel but had some ideas but coalesing it all is going to be interesting. Let me know I'd like to attend that if I can because we don't need to drop that. Yeah. Well I mean I know you're not. I'm just It's the Wednesday before the third Monday, whatever that is. Yeah, it is.

It's kind of scary, but 13th, 15th, somewhere around let you know. You to be the the judge to read the process. Well, I think I I noticed the other day on Facebook that you're Joe Hers, Mayor Hurst put a word that 181st and that was nice, but and I know it's not it's not whatever whatever 175 is. We've heard of several words. There's a lot of words, but I thought, man, that's that's cool, but I didn't see any celebration. They may have. They didn't make No, I bet you.

Okay. And and it's a year. It's not. Okay. So, let me know and we'll hopefully we can get that roll. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Anything else for uh council on your forum? Um, I was reviewing our watching the YouTube of study session and there's a lot of talking over each other and things. Do you want me to just not YouTube live our study sessions since there's usually so long even times out? I mean, those ones t you tend to get involved in conversation and it just kind of eating and it's just kind of not a good look. So, I mean, I know y'all voted to do that.

Still record. Yeah, it's going to be recording still my audio. I don't do it. It still looks transparent even though it's you can't understand. It looks like we're trying to and if it times out at least I've tried. Have you watched it? I'm sure it's you know we're eating a sandwich and there is literally 15 conversations going on at the same time because it's not a voting meeting. Uh it's a study session and I I'm just I I watched it and I thought if I was a if I was a new citizen and I thought hey what's going on with city hall and that's what I saw I would think well it's a lot different than this what's happening it's a workshop

right I'd always vote for transparency it just looks like we're trying to have a little more decorum I guess where you go this even at a study session we can I just think that's kind of what We are on. Exactly. One of one or the other. Either don't live stream it or let's get our act together. Trying to be a little more safe. And I'm including myself, right? Yeah. Well, they are working meetings to to rouse. I'm just saying. Yeah. We can make it a little more I get what you're saying. Okay. So, is there a consensus to keep live streaming that or I say keep it. I'll go. We'll work on our organization.

Let's try that. Let's try that. And then I I would encourage you. Let's do that. Let's try to work on our myself and then watch it and let me know what you think. Yeah. Watch it and see what you think about that. So, I mean, are you saying that you're not able to to get order because it's a study session? I I bought a rule or I don't know that I have I don't even when I adjourn it it's somebody not it says you don't even have to do that because [clears throat] it's not a meeting there's just something different about study sessions the kind of conversations y'all get involved in you'll get relaxed and I mean it's just different we talk about student is not like this here just like this

just wonder I'm good with with trying we're not nobody's trying to hide This is not about that. It's still recorded. The whole thing for sure after I Well, I'm sure the recording's even worse than Oh, I can't imagine you hearing anything. Bless her heart for good. I don't do that. If we turn off turn off every other mic still a starting one.

All right. Just want to bring it up. Thank you. Okay. Uh, anything else? Do you have anything real quick? Daniel stay a little while longer. So, we stay 9:30. I would entertain a motion to Thank you all very much. perfect the