Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good morning, Mr. Chairman. I would like to open the public communication forum of Screven County. Open. As a member of MITCHELL, would you like to say the prayer?

With pleasure. Please bow your heads. Dear Father, we come to you today knowing that we do not know everything that we need to know, but we learn with time. That is why institutions come to us and hold presentations, so that we can learn even more Las uns mit offenem Herzen und offenem Geist zuhören, was Sie zu sagen haben und auch allen Bürgern, die ihre Anliegen vorbringen möchten. Darum bitte ich in Christi Namen. Amen.

Amen. Gut, wir beginnen nun mit der Präsentation zur Spendenkampagne des Salvation Army Center of Hope durch Major Mike Harris. Und wir freuen uns, Sie hier zu haben.

Ich freue mich, hier zu sein und danke Ihnen vielmals für diese Gelegenheit. Ich möchte vorab um Nachsicht bitten, ich bin ein wenig müde. Ich bin gerade erst aus England zurückgekehrt. Ich war dort, um meine Mutter zu besuchen. Allerdings sagt mir mein Körper, dass es fünf Stunden später ist als jetzt, als jetzt. Seien Sie mir also nicht böse, falls Sie ein wenig gehen. Das hat absolut nichts anderes zu bedeuten. Aber ich danke Ihnen für die Gelegenheit, hier zu sein und ein wenig über das Projekt der Heilsarmee zu sprechen, insbesondere über die Kampagne Rebuilding Hope and Restoring Lives. Und wenn ich darf, würde ich Ihnen vor den Folien gerne einen kurzen Abriss zur Geschichte der Heilsarmee geben. Nicht lang, aber es hilft die Mission und den Zweck der Heilsarmee zu verstehen, die 1865 in London von einem arbeitslosen, methodistischen Pastor gegründet wurde, der frustriert darüber war, dass das Evangelium in England nicht für jeden zugänglich war, bis... Es war nur für die Lite oder Wohlhabende bestimmt. Daher machte er es sich zur Lebensaufgabe sicherzustellen, dass alle eingeschlossen werden, besonders die Armen. Er wanderte zufällig im Londoner East End durch eine Gegend namens Mile End Waste und stieß dort auf eine Freiluftpredigt. Er stand am Rande und hörte zu, was dort geschah, als ihn jemand erkannte. Er fragte Mr. Booth, möchten Sie etwas sagen? Und an jenem Abend sprach er vor dieser Gruppe vor dem Pub zu Betrunkenen und Menschen, die von weiten Teilen der Gesellschaft ignoriert wurden. He went home to his wife that evening and said, my love, I have found my destiny. And the mission of the Heilsarmee was founded in this night. The story is much more extensive, but simplified. He wanted to reach the souls of the people, but recognized that when they were hungry, they only thought about where the next meal would come. He recognized that when they were homeless, they only thought about where they would sleep that night. So he recognized that he had to fulfill these practical needs to reach the soul. The mission of the Salvation Army has not changed since then. I want to make sure that this is clear at the beginning, while I present what this means for us, especially in this special area. In Greenville County, in particular, while I try to switch this on here. I'll see if it works. I'll try it again. Yes, me or is that okay? Is that the pen you were looking for? So there are some numbers. Yes, don't read the numbers. They are pretty clear, I think. I would like to point out that the 1,095 people are not a double number. That is the number of people who have stayed overnight in the emergency shelter of the Heilsarmee in our program year 2025. That corresponds to about 32,000-1,050 overnight stays, if you will, that people have spent at the Heilsarmee. If you live in the emergency room of the Heilsarmee, we offer you three meals a day, breakfast, lunch and dinner. Although lunch is a lunch package for many of them, because 80% of the people who live in the emergency room of the Heilsarmee are actually working. Some of the things we have up there, of course, we distribute food packages. We have a food delivery. We continuously give out food to, I love this number, 4,882 children who have been provided with our Angel Tree program. The Angel Tree program, maybe you're familiar with it, but the idea is that every child should get a present for Christmas. Christmas is the most important day of the year for us at home and the idea that a child doesn't get a present is terrible. So, we have a number of people in the community who take these angels from a tree that you can find in your local Walmart, shopping center or other places. It says the name of a child on it. There are some pieces of clothing, some toys. And the idea is that the person who takes this angel buys these gifts, gives them back to us and we make sure that the children get them. And last year we did that for around 4,000 children. I would say that's pretty good. Wir haben einige Informationen zu Helene, nur damit Sie wissen, dass wir sehr aktiv waren. Wir haben diese Angelegenheit eng mit dem Landkreis zusammen gehabt. Wir waren während eines Großteils des Hurricane-Helene-Hilfsprogramms im EOC vertreten, aber unsere Kantine war auch in der Gemeinde unterwegs, was wirklich sehr bewegend war. Und dann sehen Sie dort unten eine Zahl, die 54. Ich möchte Ihnen dazu ein Update geben, denn das ist die Anzahl der Personen, denen wir 2023 und 2024 von unserer Notunterkunft im festen Wohnraum verhelfen konnten. Dieses Jahr war jedoch ein Rekordjahr und die Zahl steigt allein in diesem Jahr auf 80. Es handelt sich dabei um Menschen, die in der Heilsarmee Unterkunft gewohnt haben und nun in festen Wohnraum ziehen. Um die Folie weiter zu blättern, möchte ich Ihnen einen weiteren Einblick in unsere Arbeit geben. Wir haben natürlich unsere Notunterkunft, aber auch, ganz wichtig, unser Präventionsprogramm und unsere Sozialarbeit. The goal is to prevent people from becoming homeless. It should be clear to everyone that the rents are increasing more and more so that the cost of living and the stagnating wages lead to the fact that people simply fall back. That's why they can come to us to help with additional costs and perhaps also to save on rent. This is difficult because there is not always enough money available to help everyone, so we have to be very careful with the delivery. But the idea behind it is that we want to prevent homelessness, even if I will mainly talk about homelessness today. Ebenso unser Red Shield Jugendzentrum. Falls Sie das Krog Center kennen, das ist ein wunderbares Gemeindezentrum. Es gibt nur 26 davon im Land und Greenville hat irgendwie eines davon bekommen. Darauf können wir sehr stolz sein. Darin gibt es ein Nachmittagsprogramm, bei dem jeden Abend etwa 90 bis 100 Kinder ihre Hausaufgaben machen. These are children who typically come from socially weaker relationships. Imagine this wonderful facility that you can come to every evening to do your homework and use the offers. And this is our Red Shield Youth Center. As I have already said several times, I would like to focus on this special project and explain what we are currently doing with regard to our campus in Rutherford Street and the emergency accommodation there. At the moment, 90 people can be admitted there. This includes men, women and children. We will increase this number to 143. Increase. This is not a randomly chosen number. It is a number that was agreed with the Salvation Army and the residents of the community. It is based on a historical value that we had there earlier when we offered a so-called CSRC program, in short, a drug and rehabilitation program. This program no longer exists and has not been carried out for several years, which is why we are lowering the capacity to 90. But the new program brings us back to 143, which means that 53 additional people will be accommodated at the Heilsarmee every evening. Currently, the emergency accommodation works as follows. There is a men's home on one side of the campus and a home for women and children on the other. They all fall under the range of the so-called emergency services. Im Grunde ist es für Obdachlose Männer, die sich ein paar Tage in der Woche anstellen können, können. Es gilt das Prinzip, es wird kommen. Für Frauen und Kinder gibt es tatsächlich eine Warteliste. Das bedeutet aber auch, wenn eine Familie kommt, geht der Vater in das eine Heim, die Mutter mit den Kindern in das andere. Dieses spezielle Problem möchte ich zu gegebener Zeit ansprechen. Sie sehen hier auf dieser Grafik Männer, Frauen, Kinder, Familien und Übergangswohnungen. Lassen Sie mich erklären, was es mit diesem Übergangsbereich auf sich hat. Das ist ein Bestandteil, der mir persönlich sehr am Herzen liegt. Wenn Menschen zu uns in eine Notunterkunft kommen, haben wir oft nicht die Zeit und das Programm, um wirklich so lange mit ihnen zu arbeiten, bis sie eigenständig leben können. Ich erinnere mich an einen Fall vor einigen Jahren in einer anderen Gemeinde, in der ich bei der Heilsarmee tätig war. Ein Mann namens Daniel kam in die Unterkunft. Daniel was an alcoholic since he was 12 years old. He started drinking back then. In the meantime, he's 50. His marriage broke down. They had a child that was taken away from him. His life was in a terrible state. He was very involved in the local church and also in the shelter. And we quickly realized that Daniel was actually very good at medium and craftsmanship. He just had this alcohol problem. So we worked with him. Daniel could sometimes be a little cheeky. He sometimes said things he should have said better. He was thrown out of the shelter, but continued to visit the services and let us work with him. When he flew out of the shelter, he somehow ended up in a hotel room. But Daniel's problem, his kryptonite, was his wife. Ich glaube absolut an die Heiligkeit der Ehe, aber es gibt Fälle, in denen es vielleicht nicht so gut funktioniert. Was dann passierte war, dass seine Frau wieder in sein Leben trat und er schnell wieder zum Alkohol griff. Und wir haben Daniel irgendwie aus den Augen verloren. Wir wussten nicht, wo er war, bis er mich eines Tages in einem sehr betrunkenen Zustand anrief und mir sagte, wo er sich aufhielt. Also besuchte ich ihn in diesem schrecklichen Hotel. Das Deluxe Hotel hieß man. Muss ich das mal vorstellen? Muss ich das mal vorstellen. Als ich dort ankam, wurde mir schnell klar, dass ich nicht vernünftig mit ihm reden konnte. Er war betrunken. Mit einer betrunkenen Person kann man nicht vernünftig reden. Aber wir hatten einige großartige Freiwillige bei der Heilsarmee dort. Einer von ihnen arbeitete im Krankenhaus und konnte ihn wegen psychischer Probleme einweisen, da er offen gesagt dort nicht trinken konnte. Er wurde wieder nicht. Wir konnten vernünftig reden. Er sagte, ich weiß, ich habe falsch gemacht. Wir nahmen ihn wieder Unterkunft auf. Er machte sich wieder gut, fand Schnellarbeit und schlug sich wirklich, wirklich gut. Diesmal ging er freiwillig und besorgte sich eine Wohnung. Aber wissen Sie was? Die Frau tauchte wieder auf und die Geschichte wiederholte sich. But in the meantime, we had started a transition housing program. When he came for the third time, we took him back to the accommodation and said to him, but Daniel, you need more time. And we brought him into the transition housing program. And Wiede found a job. He was, you know, well employed. But he could stay there until he was strong and fit enough to get his life back in control out there, which he then did. Ich könnte Ihnen viele Geschichten nach vielen Kriterien erzählen, zum Beispiel könnte es eine Person mit einem Hintergrund sein, bei dem wir ihr einfach helfen müssen. Bei anderen könnte es einfach Papierkram sein. Es gab eine Reihe von Gründen, warum Menschen länger bei uns bleiben müssen, in dem Wissen, dass sie nach ihrem Auszug ihr Leben meistern können. Ich habe Ihnen also einen Einblick gegeben und ich denke, Sie sehen sehr schnell, dass ich fest an das Übergangswohnungsprogramm und dessen Möglichkeiten glaube. Und das wird eine große Komponente der neuen Einrichtung für Männer und für Frauen sein. Ein großer Teil davon ist jedoch dieser. Familien zusammenzuhalten. Ich habe vorhin erwähnt, wenn sie derzeit als Familie kommen, geht der Vater auf diese Seite, Mutter und Kinder auf die andere. Ich habe da eine Geschichte zu erzählen. Die werde ich später in einem anderen Rahmen erzählen. Aber was ich Ihnen sagen kann, ist, dass es derzeit nirgendwo im Greenville County Wohneinheiten für Familien gibt, die obdachlos sind. Wir werden acht Einheiten, acht Suiten sozusagen schaffen, die es Familien ermöglichen, hierher zu kommen, wo Vater, Mutter und Kinder alle zusammenbleiben, sich sicher fühlen und wieder auf die Beine kommen können. Nein, und wie ich gerade sagte, werde ich das später in anderen Teilen der Präsentation noch etwas genauer erwähnen. Dieses Bild hier mag ich, weil es mir eine Vorstellung davon gibt, wie es sein wird. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, wie viele von Ihnen sich das, was wir jetzt haben, im Moment vorstellen können. Es ist auf jeden Fall meilenweit von dem entfernt, was Sie hier sehen. Und ich liebe das Wort da oben, das Wort Würde, denn das ist ein wirklich, wirklich wichtiges Wort. Von jetzt an haben wir diesen sehr unattraktiven Zustand und wir verwandeln diesen unattraktiven in einen sehr attraktiven sowohl von außen als auch von innen. Und ich habe dieses Wort Würde nachgedacht. Ich habe an Synonyme gedacht, wenn Sie so wollen, die damit einhergehen. Und hier sind ein paar Worte, die ich Ihnen anbieten möchte, während wir uns ansehen, was wir den Menschen bieten wollen, die durch unsere Türen in unsere Türen in unsere neue Unterkunft kommen. Anstand. Gnade. Valid. Respekt. Selbstachtung. Aufwertung. Bedeutung. Wert. Das sind alles Synonyme, wenn man so will, für den Begriff der Würde. Und deshalb wollen wir diesen Campus auf Würde ausrichten. Wie also sieht Würde für uns aus? Nun, wir sind früher zu unserem Riverfly Street Campus gekommen und ich weiß, dass einige von Ihnen das auch getan haben. Uh, you probably remember quickly that the first thing you notice when you come in is that it is very gloomy and dark. And the new rooms will not be gloomy and dark. You will see all these windows that we have in the building. This is very consciously chosen, because we have recognized that this is exactly the opposite of what we have so far. Platz ist ein weiterer Punkt. Wenn Sie jetzt auf unser Gelände kämen, würden Sie das Männerwohnheim sehen, das eigentlich nur ein großer Raum ist. Überall stehen Etagenbetten. Es gibt nicht viel Platz. Gehen Sie zum Frauen- und Kinderheim, das sich im Grunde in einem Keller befindet. Da ist nicht viel Platz. Dies wird wunderbaren, großzügigen Raum bieten. Unterstützung. Wir glauben fest daran, Menschen dabei zu helfen, sich selbst zu verbessern. Sie werden dort das Konzept von Klassenräumen, Computerarbeitsplätzen und einer Bibliothek sehen. Wir möchten mehr Angebote schaffen, damit die Leute sich besser weiterbilden können. Sie können ihre Lebensläufe erstellen. Die ganze Liste der Dinge, die wir durch Unterstützung anbieten können, wird großartig sein, wird großartig sein. Pflege für Kranke. Was mir auffällt und was ich heute mehr denn je erlebe, wenn Leute ins Krankenhaus kommen und nirgendwo hin können, ruft das Krankenhaus oft ein Uber und bringt sie zur Heilsarmee, zu Miracle Hill oder einer anderen Einrichtung. Und das sind Menschen, die eigentlich nicht unterwegs sein sollten, die einfach sehr, sehr krank sind. Deshalb werden wir medizinische Erholungsräume einrichten, damit wir sie besser und gezielter betreuen können. And since we now move from all the different buildings on our campus into a large building, it also means that all of our staff is housed there and our social services are settled there. Basically, this building will contain everything that people need. Well, you've heard enough of me. Well, here's more from me. I have a video that tells the story I promised you earlier. And hopefully the sound works. Well, hopefully the video works.

Terrence, is there a way to make this video work? If not, I can tell you the story.

Maybe it would have gone faster anyway. So whether you like it or not, I'll do it. A few years ago, let me tell you briefly. To become an officer of the Heilsarmee, we consider it a calling. Meine Frau und ich spürten 2002 den Ruf, in den vollzeitlichen Dienst zu gehen. Zu jenem Zeitpunkt hatten wir eine Tochter, die fast drei war, und einen Sohn, der gerade ein Jahr alt geworden war, die RNG-Orden. Zwei sehr kleine Kinder. Und wenn man zum Seminar der Heilsarmee geht, da das Modell der Heilsarmee der Methodistischen Kirche entspricht, bedeutet das, dass man überall dort, wo man lebt, ein Pfarrhaus und ein Auto zur Verfügung gestellt bekommt. Das hieß also, dass wir unser eigenes Haus verkauften, um unsere Ausbildung zu finanzieren, da wir es nicht mehr brauchten. We were told that it would be best to sell the house as soon as possible, because you don't want to have a mortgage on your neck during your studies. So we sold the house and moved out on April 13, 2002. I remember that day because it was my birthday. But we first arrived at the seminar in the second week of August. That gave us a period in which we had to find out where we could stay. I was actually homeless. We never lived on the street, but we learned what it means to sleep on the couch with acquaintances. Interestingly, the ex-boyfriend of my wife was very helpful. He and his wife allowed us to live with them for a while. But for me personally, this idea of caring for my family was a point at which I felt quite a failure. I felt like a failure because I am a protector. I am a nutritionist. All these things. We overcame it and it was okay, but it was very, very difficult I would have been able to go to a homeless shelter and someone would have said to me, Dad, you live there, Mom and the kids, you go here. I wouldn't have stayed. And the reason why I wouldn't have stayed is that my guardian instinct, my need to protect my family, would have been lost. I would have come up with something else. That's exactly what happens in our community. There are many families who don't have a solid home, but they try to get around somehow. They sleep on the sofa like they did back then. Maybe they also sleep in the car. With this new accommodation, these families, units that we plan, people can come and stay together as a family. And we can really help them get back on their feet. Basically, this video tells this story in addition to some other things that are important for the new accommodation that we are currently building. So where are we with this project? The sum to which we agreed is now 17.5 million dollars. This number has jumped back and forth all the time. Wir waren anfangs wohl sehr euphorisch und haben überdimensioniert gebaut. Dann kamen wir zu etwas Realistischem, aber dann stiegen die Kosten. Ich muss das nicht weiter vertiefen. Aber wir haben jetzt ein wunderbares Gebäude, das wir für 17,5 Millionen Dollar errichten können und bisher haben wir 15,5 Millionen Dollar gesammelt. One of the things we're working on right now are tax returns for new markets. And we think that could bring in about two million. So we've really reached the point where this project is very, very close to completion. And we're very happy about it. Not least because in my opinion, after four years of damn hard work. I can tell you that. Auf dieser Folie steht viel darüber, wie Sie in der Gemeinde helfen können. Wichtig ist zu wissen, dass die Heilsarmee keine Kredite aufnimmt. Wenn wir also Geld sammeln, müssen die gesamten 17,5 Millionen irgendwie vorhanden sein, sei es durch Geld auf der Bank oder durch Zusagen. Wir akzeptieren Zusagen. Aber natürlich gibt es noch ein wenig Arbeit zu tun und wir haben erkannt, dass es einfach sehr, sehr wichtig ist, die Menschen aufzuklären. Es ist erstaunlich, wie die Herzen der Menschen berührt werden können, sobald sie wissen, was vor sich geht. Bereiche, in denen wir also sicherlich Hilfe gebrauchen könnten, sind die Aufklärung der Menschen. Erzählen Sie diesen Freunden. Erzählen Sie den Leuten davon. Sagen Sie den Leuten, sie sollen uns kommen. Wie gesagt, einige von Ihnen haben die Einrichtungen gesehen, die wir auf unserem Campus geschaffen haben. Wir geben immer gerne Führungen, nur um Ihnen zu zeigen, was wir haben. Denn es ist für mich immer wieder erstaunlich, wie die Herzen der Menschen berührt werden, wenn sie einen dieser Räume betreten und sagen, ich möchte ein Teil davon sein und etwas bewirken. Das ist also das Wichtigste. Laden Sie die Leute unbedingt ein. Und nachdem das alles gesagt wurde, möchte ich zum Schluss noch eines sagen. Vielen herzlichen Dank. Danke für die Gelegenheit, hierher zu kommen und dies zu teilen. Danke, dass Sie sich angehört haben, was wir zu sagen haben. Und danke, dass Sie uns auf diesem Weg unterstützen. Und ich glaube, dass wir früher oder später den ersten Spatenstich machen werden. Und dieser wunderbare Hort der Hoffnung, dieses Wort ist mir sehr wichtig. Meine Tochter heißt Hope Wirklichkeit wird. Dieser Hort der Hoffnung wird zur Realität werden. Also vielen herzlichen Dank. Vielen Dank.

Beratsmitglieder, haben Sie noch Fragen?

Das ist ein guter Punkt.

Gibt es Fragen?

Ich habe 2027 gesehen für...

the possible end of your campaign so that you can start rebuilding.

Do you know what time it could be in the year 2027? We have this wonderful thing called bureaucracy. And we know that when it comes to political things. And believe me, it's exactly the same with the Heilsarmee. So our hope is that we will probably be able to really start with the first straw in the spring of 2027. We have an event in January where we might do something symbolic. And at this event, the National Bayritter Heilsarmee meets. They meet three times a year and have chosen Greenville as one of their meeting places this year. Some very important people come and I would like to at least make a symbolic cut at this point, but that will only be that. We expect the right construction to begin in the spring. Very good.

Thank you. Dr. Blount.

You said that would be okay? So if you are in our existing accommodation on Rutherford Street, very good question. That's what I should answer. It's on the same building. And the nice thing about it is, I would point out one representation. We have a street that leads right through our area. On the left of this street, on the side of Bancombe Street to Rutherford Street, where the old Gateway House is, we can build a new building, which means that the existing accommodation can remain standing. Die Menschen können also während der gesamten Bauzeit untergebracht bleiben. Dann ziehen Sie in das neue Gebäude um. Wir reißen die alten Gebäude ab und legen die nötigen Parkplätze, Grünflächen, Usw. an. Direkt dort an der Britannia. Falls Sie wissen, wo das ist, ist das gleiche Gelände. Herr Vorsitzender, ich möchte hinzufügen, dass dies eine weitere unserer stolzen Institutionen im Bezirk 23 ist. Und ich bin froh, Sie dort zu haben. Danke. Vielen Dank.

Major Harris, thank you for coming. If we can do anything to help, please let us know. I took part in the leadership. My city councilor, John. Open your eyes. Again, thank you very much for everything you do for the community. You do such ungrateful work and you make enormous improvements for our city, our district. So thank you. And I thank you very much. Thank you, Annalena. Thank you. Gut, als nächstes haben wir Phil Lisser mit dem Verkehrsumsatzsteuerprogramm des York County. Wie geht's?

Hallo, Herr Vorsitzender. Danke für die Gelegenheit, hier sprechen zu dürfen. Während er die Präsentation aufruft, sage ich kurz, dass ich Phil Lisser bin. We'll talk about where I come from in a few minutes. I love Greenville County. I always wanted to come here, but I was afraid to move and didn't want to leave Rock Hill. But Greenville County is a great place and I love it. Als ich die Gelegenheit bekam, hierher zu kommen und zu sprechen, wollte ich unbedingt einige der Erfolgsgeschichten erzählen, die wir in York County und im ganzen Bundesstaat erlebt haben, um Ihnen einen Einblick zu geben, was Sie erwartet, sobald die Umsatzsteuer verabschiedet ist. Es wird einige interessante Möglichkeiten geben. Noch einmal, ich bin Phil Lisser. Ich war von 1988 bis 2015 Transportmanager für das Ingenieurwesen im York County. Wenn man das genau zusammenrechnet, sind es 28 Jahre, was bedeutet, dass ich in Rente gegangen bin. Nun, während dieser 28 Jahre, das ist ein Punkt, auf den ich später noch zurückkommen werde, bekam zwei wunderschöne Töchter. Ich habe eine 16-Jährige und eine 17-Jährige. Wonderful. I wouldn't wish for anything better. We'll talk about you soon. When I started at the county, the first thing I was asked was, hey, we're a rural district. In 1988, our district consisted of three quarters of farmland. A quarter began to develop with Rockhill and Fort Mill. They said, hey, we have to find ways to finance some of our road improvements. We have a lot of gravel roads and the people pull there. They get stuck in the dust and want the opportunity to set up this stand. And then there were other things like co-financing programs, because as soon as some of these roads were paved, they had to be reinstalled. We could negotiate with the state, hey, we'll give you money if you pay for it. And that worked very well. A 50-50 program where we basically said, hey, developers, if you want to open a property on a district road, we'll share the costs with you, we'll share the costs with you. You build the road, we prepare it. We split it in half. Und schließlich, als wir wirklich zu wachsen begannen, erkannte der damalige Rat, dass diese Programme nur einmalige Finanzspritzen waren. Also legten sie eine allgemeine Anleihe für einen Betrag auf, den sie für riesig hielten. Am Ende war es bei weitem nicht das, was sie brauchten. That's why we're going to take a closer look at 1997. In 1997, the York County started the program for capital projects that was known as the Pennies for Progress program. And I have to say, since 1996, when we went to the election hours, actually 1997, we have had successive votes since then and the program has continued for a period of 21 years. We'll talk about that in a moment. So, what exactly is York? You know, to be honest, when we go to Colombia and ask the SDOT for money, they say, wait a minute, aren't you from North Carolina? No, we're not. We're in South Carolina. We are only 45 miles away from Greenville County. And to be honest, although I can't really compare York County to Greenville, I can say that we have about the same square mileage. We need about the same time for the work route, 21 minutes in Greenville, 24 minutes here in York County. And of course, you're number one in the population, but we're slowly moving you down the drain. So because there are some similarities, I'd like to briefly tell you a story about why York County decided to invest in capital projects. Why did they decide to self-regulate in order to improve roads? Well, in 1996 we were a very fast growing district. We were at the time the fastest growing federal city. And when we went to the DOT and said, hey people, our communities Rockhill and Fort Mill are growing really fast. They grow huge steps. We need help up here. The SDDOT said, oh, look at these four red circles on this map. That's what we planned for you for the next 20 years. 20 years, and that's what they want to do with the funds they had. And then you have to consider that it was all before the fuel tax increase and all that. And I'm not going to blame the Ministry of Transport. Just a quick footnote, 1987 was the last fuel tax increase before this last one here. And if I still earned what I earned in 1988-98 in 2015, I would have been in trouble in 1980. So the traffic ministry didn't have much money. That was all they had. If you pay attention to these four red circles, not a single red circle lies within the urban area. They wouldn't take care of our traffic needs and we had to do something. In addition, at that time, in York County, South Carolina, we had the third worst road network in case of deaths. It's still not great, but it's getting better. But the citizens came to us and said, hey, look, the streets are dangerous. The streets are overcrowded. We have to do something. In fact, we went back, took this information and looked at the last three years. And in these three years, time for York County, which you see up there, every single one of these red crosses is a fatal accident. That was over 70 deaths. If you just take that and overlay it with the four projects that the Ministry of Transport says, this is what we can do. There were very few. In fact, I think there were a total of five fatal accidents in this area. That won't really solve the problem. It would not make our network much safer and reduce the traffic jams. Obviously, people, with the sales tax for capital projects, I just want to go into it briefly, when the state lawmakers approved this law in 1996, approved this law. I'm honest with you, you were very conscientious. You wanted to protect the tax rate. You wrote so many statements and requirements in the law that you thought it would be very difficult to approve these things. Unfortunately, they did not realize that the citizens were basically fed up of sitting in the car for so long and having the traffic jams. So you have built in a lot of restrictions. Another restriction that you have introduced is that the entire money from the South Carolina Department of Revenue is withdrawn. Now everyone says, wait a minute, why is our money going back to Columbia and coming back? That's actually a very clever thing. First of all, there is everyone who has a tax program that allows you to say, this is the money that was taken. You do that for the entire federal state, for the entire percentage of the tax, you do it in this one room. When you're done, send us a check and document that this is the money we took from the one-cent road tax program, the transport program, and that's what I gave Greenville County. The good thing about it is that everything stays separate. You don't throw it into a big pile here where everyone asks, uh, where is it? Where is it? You have to give it to the South Carolina Department of Revenue. They give you this money and you and your finance team will keep this money separate. Das ist sehr wichtig, denn das Gesetz besagt ausdrücklich, Sie müssen dieses Einzelne Umsatzsteuergeld für die Projekte ausgeben, die Sie auf diesem Wahlzettel auflisten. For this project, for this ballot, I think you have three different categories. That's what the money has to be spent on, period. It can be anything. In York County, someone looked at me every time and said, Phil, you won't do that. You're going to take the money and go somewhere else. I said, guys, I'm not going to jail. And I'm sitting here and telling you that's exactly what it is. It has to be, because Phil doesn't go to jail. So very, very good opportunities, not necessarily to tie, but to put on lead planks to ensure that the program continues to work. Die staatlichen Gesetzgeber wollen sichergehen, dass das so ist. Natürlich erfordert es ein Referendum. Wir müssen zu den Menschen gehen, und das sind diejenigen, von denen wir zuallererst hören müssen. Also müssen wir zu ihnen gehen und sie um ihre Erlaubnis bitten. Was bewirkt nun ein Umsatzsteuerprogramm? I could talk about it for days, but I won't keep it as short as possible. It's a broader financing plan. There's always something involved. He's going to go through the whole thing and sort of put it all together. It gives you something to hold on to so that you can say, okay, I have five million dollars for this special corridor. I have so many companies that settle here. I have so many cars. That's what I'm going to do. Then you have this plan. You have fully financed this plan and your employees can implement it. We don't have to sit there and say, well, I'll put in $100,000 this month and then try to get it done. And six months later we put in another $100,000 and try to get it done. That doesn't work like that. It takes way too long. It's hard enough because of all the regulations if you have the funding for it. But if you drag it on like that, people will be frustrated and you won't be able to meet the need. Because if you finally have the full funding to do the actual road work, the road is already even more overloaded. It reduces the pressure on the owners. Wenn Greenville County sagen würde, hey, ich möchte x Millionen Dollar aufbringen, um Straßenverbesserungen vorzunehmen, weil ihr mir sagt, dass die Straßen schlecht sind. Wenn ich Immobilieneigentümer in Greenville County wäre und dächte, dass sie meine Grundsteuern so weit erhöhen, um das alles zu bezahlen, wäre ich stinksauer, wäre ich stinksau. Warum sollten sie mir die volle Last aufbürden, wenn Phil Iser aus Rock Hill hierher kam und auf meiner Straße fuhr, fuhr... Ich kann da kein Tor aufstellen. Kann Phil nicht aussperren. Also, lassen wir, lassen wir, lassen wir doch Phil einen Teil davon bezahlen. Ein definierter Endpunkt. Jeder sagt, jeder stellt sich vor einen hin und sagt, ah, diese Steuer wird niemals enden. Sobald wir sie haben, wird sie nicht mehr aufhören. Nun, das stimmt nicht. Die Wahrheit ist, sie wird nach diesem 8-Jahres-Zeitraum enden. Wenn das Programm erfolgreich ist und die Bürger mit dem zufrieden sind, was sie tun, geben wir ihnen die Möglichkeit, erneut abzustimmen, nicht um es fortzusetzen, sondern um ein neues Programm zu starten. For York County, as I said, we went back to the voters in 1997, 2003 and 2011 and said, okay, your tax is off. They are satisfied with the program. Do you want to continue? And if so, then these are the projects that we would like to implement for you. And every single time we turned to the public, every time this percentage, this approval percentage, increased. In 1997, I went to bed at 2 p.m. on election night and thought we had lost. All the ballot papers were counted except for one district and I said, no, we're done, we won't make it. The next morning we woke up and the votes of this one particular district came in and brought us across the finish line. We won with less than 1%. The important thing was, yes, they were worried. They were skeptical about whether the whole thing would work. But from that day on, every single referendum we were waiting for was at 60 percent, 70 percent. We were in the middle of one of the worst recessions we had here and got 82 percent approval from one of our revenue tax referendums. You see that the project, that the program works. You see that improvements are taking place. You don't have to stand in the traffic jam anymore. You support it. So it is very, very, as soon as you are there for the first time, and I hope that your citizens allow you to do so, you can set off, make a difference and build the trust that you need to carry out such programs. We will talk a little bit about how to use external media. This is a huge opportunity. I'll tell you a story about it in a moment. So I told you a lot of things to get there, where we want to go, a consent to the revenue tax referendum and the state vote and the state vote. Is that all really worth it? Let's take a quick look at that. Do you remember the four projects I told you about in your New York County? Where are you? 20 years. Well, 1997 revenue tax, a little more than 100 million dollars. Each of these highlighted lines that you see in the top red circles were projects that were implemented through this program. I mean, we basically took a whole quarter from east to west through York County and expanded it for economic development, but also for security. There were some projects that had security problems, as well. Remember what I said? I don't have a bad conscience to pay for some of the roads because he came here and drove on them. That's exactly what York County got. York County received a high share. There were a lot of sports events back then. and a lot of tourism. And in fact, the $111 million in taxes, the citizens of York County, only cost about $40 million. Well, there's a whole lot of money behind it. There was also additional money and funds, which we'll come to talk about in a moment, but that's $100 million in projects for $40 million. Let me tell you one thing. If I could go to the bank and get a loan like that, I would do it. We were not in the road construction business when we started with it. 19 was a rural district. When they came to me and said, Phil, how much would it cost to asphalt or spread this road? Then I said, look, I plaster gravel roads. I can tell you that. Do you know what a two-lane gravel road costs? Okay, let's take that as the basis. We build five lanes. Let's do that five times. Well, we underestimated it. We didn't know what we were doing. The entire program you see on the screen now cost $211 million. Also stecken wir in Schwierigkeiten. Wir hatten in den Steuerzahlen versprochen, dass wir all diese Projekte fertigstellen würden. Wir wollten es für 100 Millionen Dollar machen. Das Preisschild lief sich dann auf 200. Was haben wir also getan? Das ist der interessante Teil. We said, hey, we make money from $100 million in the state system. Most of the roads we worked on were state roads. We make money worth $100 million in the state system. So we went to Colombia. We said, hey guys, what can you do? We'll help you up there. We run these projects that you know you actually have to do, but we do it with our own money. What can you do to help us? Well, at that time they had just founded the State Infrastructure Bank, which is now called Transportation Infrastructure Bank. It was an opportunity for district councils to go to the state and say, hey, look, I have this mega project here. The local administration can handle it on their own and I want you to help me with that. New York County said, okay, why don't we come over and talk to you? So we drove there, sat down with the board and said, hey, we're working for a value of 100 million dollars. We need the funds. Can you help us? They said to us, yes, we will set up a program. We will make it accessible to everyone. Everyone will be able to apply and you can also submit an application. The case I want to address now is Charleston. Charleston tried to build the Revenue Bridge at the time. They tried to close the financing for it and asked the State Infrastructure Bank for help with the financing. The State Infrastructure Bank said, hey, here's the application, fill it out and send it back. In the application it said, I need a 33% of my own income to qualify for this program. Charleston County said no. You need the last 250 million of you to get it done. It's your street. So you have to give it to me. I don't give you any money. York County said, hey, we're not just paying the money. We give you 50 percent of our own share and let you. We're building these streets for you so you don't have to do that anymore. So we're going to get 50 percent of our own share. Would you approve that? Not only did the State Infrastructure Bank approve it, they also approved... Oh, far behind. They approved a total of 178 million dollars. This money flowed into the coverage of the deficit of the sales tax of 1997 to finish all these roads. But do you know what else they did? They spread 18 miles of the I-77. They said, you know what, guys? It's on our list. We want to do it. You get 50 percent of your own share? We'll do it. So they paid, they spread the I-77 from the four tracks that it had back then to eight tracks and carried out some improvements to the connection points. This corridor through the county I told you about, a multi-lane corridor that runs across York County. Do you know what the city said? That's perfect, because we want to create a possibility for trucks to get from the I-77 to the I-85 without having to drive all the way to Charlotte or use the outer ring that didn't exist back then. Or use the outer ring. So we want to be able to provide that if you want. So they took this multi-lane road at the border to the Cherokee County and extended it to the I-85. You can now drive off in Cherokee County at Blacksburg from the 85 and drive completely through York County to the I-77 on a multi-lane road. Very, very impressive. That has brought so many possibilities to economic development, because you basically drive on this road, this multi-lane road, turns right to the I-77 or left to the I-85 or left to the I-70. Huge chance, ladies and gentlemen. Ich möchte, dass Sie wirklich darüber nachdenken, denn das ist wichtig. Wenn wir hingegangen wären und kein Gegenkapital gehabt hätten, hätte die State Infrastructure Bank Nein gesagt. Genau wie sie es in Charleston County gesagt haben, ihr bekommt das nicht. Was hat Charleston also gemacht? Sie gingen zurück ans Reißbrett. Sie erstellten einen Antrag mit etwas Eigenkapital und gingen in der zweiten Runde zurück zur staatlichen Infrastrukturbank. Sie haben wahrscheinlich etwas Geld bekommen, aber darum geht es hier nicht. 2003, that's the next sales tax. That was 70 million dollars from the taxpayers. About 172 million dollars came from the program itself. You can see that further lines are added, further roads that are being completed. This is the third sales tax. I told you, we said goodbye to you with 82 percent. I'll leave it like this for a moment to show you that we have reached every corner of the county with some large cross-project, excuse me, large expansion project. There are also a number of crossings improvements and flooring renovations that are not even listed here. These are just the main roads that have been completed. That was about 161 million dollars, 68 million dollars for the taxpayers. Now briefly summarized, the total program comprises 147 miles of road improvements in 97 gravel roads in the county were paved, 31 bridges were replaced or repaired and 122 main crossings were improved. This is a huge amount of work that was done only through the capital project sales tax program and all the things and advantages that it brought with it. About 180 million dollars for the taxpayers themselves. As I said a few minutes ago, if I went to the bank and said, hey, I want to give you a dollar, can I get 3.67 dollars back? They would laugh at me and tell me I should disappear. That actually worked. Das SCD, entschuldigen Sie, das Programm hat am Ende über eine halbe Milliarde Dollar eingebracht. 37% davon stammten von den tatsächlichen Steuerzahlern in York County. Der Rest kam aus externen Quellen. Einiges davon war staatliche, entschuldigen Sie, eine staatliche Benzinsteuer. Einiges war Bundesgeld, aber es floss alles zurück ins York County. Nun, ich habe Ihnen vor ein paar Minuten gesagt, dass ich zwei Töchter habe. Ich habe nur eine Sache, die ich ansprechen möchte. Meine Töchter sind bereit, Auto zu fahren. I have to work until I'm 100, but she's ready to drive. Both have chosen different ways to say, Dad, I want a car. I have a child that says, Dad, I want a car. I have worked so and so long. I saved this amount of money. I studied the handbook. I have prepared everything. I am ready to drive. And I have this $5,000 that I want to pay for a car. Would you help me? Then I have the other side. A little more lazy, didn't learn anything, didn't do a driving test. Nicht davon ist passiert. Sie hat kein Geld. Sie sagt, nun Dad, du bist mein Vater. Du sollst das tun. When I look at it and look at this situation, of course I have one that I have to take care of first. She did the work, she did everything, she has to get something first. I'm telling you this because unfortunately for all of us, 43 of 46 counties in the state of South Carolina have introduced some kind of capital project sales tax. There are different versions. They all have. They all did it. The SDOT has 46 children. All 46 children come to you and ask you to implement these projects for them. 43 of them come to you and say, hey, I have money, I do some projects, I have worked hard for it, can you help me? And the SDOT can tell you a little faster, I'm not saying that you don't tell Greenville County. They do. They are legally obliged to do this, so they are able to say, say, say. But if you come there and tell them, I worked hard, here are some things I do in your system to help you. They are more able to help you and to defend you why you send money here. A few things quickly. What are the others doing? I know that's probably it. The concern is, okay, if our sales tax rises, people will buy in somewhere else. They will buy in the neighboring country cash register because they save money there. There the tax rate is lower. What you now see on the computer is everyone in the state of South Carolina who receives at least 1% of sales tax, so they are all at 7%. Greenville is at 6%. This applies to people who have two or more programs. They are at 8% sales tax. And last but not least, these coastal districts in the southern part have three different programs, so they are obviously at about 9%. The important thing is now that it will not affect people who come to Greenville for shopping or drive away from there. They won't go anywhere else because the surrounding districts all raise at least 1% more. Lawrence is 2% higher. They won't go to these other districts to do that. They won't spend their money anywhere else. This is just a quick map to show you all the different projects as you can see. There are three different programs with these violet or magenta-colored colors that run at the same time. Run at the same time. Each of them corresponds to MSN. It happens everywhere and every single one of these communities benefits from this sales tax. Burt, that's it from me. I really hope there are some questions. I can't even tell you how excited and excited I am to say goodbye to this in Greenville County so that we can see improvements, as was the case in York County. Thank you.

And I open the round for the council members.

First of all, I would like to thank you for coming and for holding the presentation. Sie klingen sehr leidenschaftlich bei dem, was Sie erreichen konnten. Und ich weiß, dass Ihre Einwohner aufgrund des Prozentsatzes bei der Verabschiedung der Steuer nach der ersten wahrscheinlich auch ziemlich begeistert sind. Also möchte ich Ihnen einfach willkommen danken.

Danke, mein Herr.

Ich schätze die Gelegenheit. Und die Information, wie ich ganz zu Beginn sagte, wir müssen Leuten wie Ihnen zuhören, damit wir mehr lernen können. Danke.

Danke, mein Herr. Ratsmitglied Bland. Danke, Herr Vorsitzender. Hoffentlich ist es jetzt an.

Ich wollte mich einfach bei beiden Referenten bedanken.

Ehrlich gesagt hatte ich beim ersten Mal keine Gelegenheit dazu und ich habe hierzu eigentlich keine Fragen, weil die Präsentation so gut war.

Ich wollte fragen, ob wir eine Kopie der beiden Präsentationsfolien bekommen könnten, da beide großartige Informationen enthielten. Aber vielen Dank für die Präsentation. Ich weiß das wirklich zu schätzen.

Danke.

Danke, Herr Vorsitzender.

Nur ich wissen Sie, ich weiß, wie hart unsere Abgeordneten im State House arbeiten, um eine Gehaltserhöhung zu erreichen. Insbesondere Abgeordneter Bruce Bannister kommt mir da in den Sinn, ebenso wie die Senatoren Elliott und Senator Turner. Wissen Sie, ich verstehe vollkommenes Argument, Ihnen etwas mehr Schlagkraft zu verleihen. Ich meine, diese Leute arbeiten Überstunden und Gott sei Dank. Abgeordneter Bannister ist unser Vorsitzender des Finanz- und Steuerausschusses, denn das hat viel Gewichte. Aber es ist sehr schwierig, ihn zu entlasten, wenn wir so etwas nicht haben. Und das ist nun mal die Realität der Situation. Ich möchte Ihnen also einfach dafür danken, dass Sie gekommen sind, um die Öffentlichkeit über Ihren Erfolg in Rock Hill, mit diesem entschuldigen Sie York County, zu informieren. Und nochmals vielen Dank, dass Sie sich die Zeit genommen haben. Danke für die Gelegenheit. Wenn Sie Fragen haben oder wenn jemand reden möchte, rufen Sie uns an. Wir setzen uns sehr gerne mit Ihnen zusammen und sprechen mit Ihnen. Sie sind eine weitere Stimme, die da draußen ein Jahr bewirken kann. Danke.

Danke.

Alles klar. Und nun kommen wir zum öffentlichen Kommentarbereich. Und unsere erste Rednerin ist Frau Barbara Wally. Ich hätte sie ohnehin aufgerufen. Ich habe sie in der Menge gesehen.

I'm here tonight to talk about pet-friendly living space in Greenville County. Didn't we talk about living space before? We'll talk about it again. And a few legislative updates. First of all, almost three-quarters of the renters in the United States are actually pets. This data, coupled with the inability to find rental homes where pets are allowed, is one of the main reasons why cats and dogs are given up or exposed in pet homes. These restrictions for pets include race prohibitions, which usually involve so-called bull breeds, weight restrictions for dogs from about 18 kilograms and an upper limit of a total of two cats and or dogs. And then there are the pet fees. Most of the time this is about non-refundable cash, sometimes monthly rent increases or even additional monthly rents in advance just to keep an animal. And we all know that we are currently in the middle of a crisis of affordability. We do not want to be a country where people are forced to decide between paying their bills and keeping their pets. Since only 9% of all rental homes in the USA are open to all pets, only 9% in the EU, it is no wonder that so many animals are exposed. Not only in the United States, but also in our country. So why is there this restriction? Well, renters are afraid of damage caused by animals, noise, complaints from tenants and insurance problems. But what do research results show about actual experience with pet-friendly living spaces? I have research results available that I would like to provide you with. About half of the renters who allow pets are saying that they actually don't experience any damage caused by pets. Und etwaige Schäden sind in der Regel geringer als der Betrag, der durch Haustierkautionen und Mieterhöhungen eingenommen wird. Im schlimmsten Fall decken die Kautionen die Schäden durch Haustiere in der Regel. Das deutet darauf hin, dass Vermieter meist keinen entzerrten Verluste erleiden. Die Daten legen zudem nahe, dass es kaum einen Unterschied zwischen Mietern mit und ohne Haustiere gibt. Normalerweise verursachen Kinder von sich aus schon eine ganze Menge an Schäden. Was sind also die Vorteile für einen Vermieter, Haustiere in einer Mietwohnung zu erlauben? The research shows that the average rental duration of tenants with pets is more than twice as long as that of those without pets, and the general vacancy rate for pet-friendly accommodation is significantly lower than for those in which no animals are allowed. A large part of the income gained through pet cautions and rental payments exceeds the potential damage caused by pets in the future. So what can we do? We can't solve every problem by law. In view of the few existing laws, whether they can be implemented or not, I have a few ideas here based on information from the Humane Society. Rental support programs for pet owners. Initiatives with the National Housing Trust Fund for low-income tenants. Long-term financing for affordable living space for pets without strict requirements. And this is a suggestion from Shelley from Tierheim. Instructions for rental companies to raise restrictions, for example by advertising pet-friendly living space, which could motivate them to do so. So please let me know if anyone wants to help. I can provide you with all the information that I have. As far as changes in the law are concerned, we are still relying on our law to eliminate animals. Isha can confirm that we are working closely with the Tierheim on this issue. We are also working on a nationwide breeding law and there is still Riley's Egg, which will exacerbate the penalties in all our districts and throughout the state. So these are also only nationwide initiatives. That was the news so far.

Thank you very much. All right. And our last speaker is Brian Ramsberg.

Thank you for the forum. My name is Brian Rainsberg. I have been living in the city of Greenville for about 21 years. I moved here from Baltimore after I grew up in Michigan. I want to ask you a simple question. What happens if the communal growth, faster growth, progresses faster than the amenities and quality of life that people actually moved here from? It will not surprise you that we have experienced enormous growth in the countryside. When I moved here, there were about 400,000 inhabitants. Today there are 600,000. That corresponds to a growth of about 60%. At the same time, something completely different happened with golf. The demand is rising while access is decreasing, especially here in Greenville. In the year 2000, about 30 million people played golf nationwide. Today, 50 million people play golf. But here in Upstate, we are losing playability. Did you know that Greenville County has lost almost 70 public golf courses in the last 10 years? We only have 109 public golf courses in the district. Although we have 144 private golf courses, most of these clubs are financially unreachable and have waiting lists. Some of them are up to three in the future and ... they have certainly read the cards. Golf courses close decades after they served the community.

Public places are closed for housing projects.

We saw that with Legacy Pines and Bonnie Bray. Wir haben eine wachsende Bevölkerung, mehr Menschen interessieren sich für Golf, aber es gibt weniger zugängliche Orte zum Spielen. Die Lösung ist The Don. Dies ist ein neu konzipierter Golfplatz auf demselben historischen Gelände des Donaldson Golfplatzes, der ganz Greenville über 50 Jahre lang diente. The Don ist die Vision, ein unzureichend genutztes Grundstück wiederzubeleben und etwas zu schaffen, das mehr ist als nur ein weiterer Golfplatz. It could be a public nine-hole golf course, an illuminated nine-hole short course, a huge putting green, a trackman driving range and possibly the home for First Tee, Greenville and local high school teams. This would offer the opportunity to introduce the next generation to sport. We don't have to decide between growth and quality of life. We could use this country intelligently to do something that serves the community. And it's important that it's not just about building a golf course. It's about creating a place where people want to be. Ein Ort, der einladend wirkt, egal, ob für einen Golfer, der jede Woche spielt, oder für jemanden, der zum ersten Mal einen Schläger in die Hand nimmt. Familien, Kinder und Menschen, die einfach nur einen Nachmittag im Freien genießen wollen, wären willkommen. Es gibt sicherlich Herausforderungen, die liegen. Die Finanzierung der Anlage, die Verwaltung, SC Tech, glaubt sogar, dass das Gelände eine weitere Teststrecke sein sollte. Aber ich glaube, diese Herausforderungen sind es wert, gelöst zu werden, denn Greenville wächst und Golf wächst. Und der Zugang wird weiterhin immer eingeschränkter. Kürzlich hat die Stadt Criac and Criac Country Club übernommen, der nun sogar eine Einnahmequelle für die Stadt darstellt. Augusta has invested $10 million in the renovation of their beloved local golf course. The Dawn is a chance for Greenville County to solve our problem with golf access. For me, it's just a project of the heart. I'm lucky to be a member of a private club in the city, but I grew up in public places. I'm afraid many children won't have the same opportunity. Most importantly, I think it's the right thing for our community. Upstate needs more accessible, inviting and entertaining golf. I think The Dawn can help realize that. Wie bringen wir das County und SC Tech dazu, Golf in Greenville noch einmal neu zu bewerten?

Vielen Dank, Herr Rimsberg. Und übrigens, Golf ist viel cooler als Pickleball. Damit kommen wir zum Abschluss unseres letzten Redners und unseres letzten Punktes. Wir sind damit vertagt.