Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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[Music] Our meeting is now recording starting. [Music] Good evening everyone. Welcome to the April 21st, 2024 Greensboro Planning and Zoning Meeting. My 25 Oops. My name is Katherine Maggot and I'm chair of the commission. And if the other commissioners would introduce themselves starting from my right, Betty Turner, War Downing, Keith Peterson, Sandra Okconor, Mary, apology Gilmer, Senior, Stu Nichols. Thank you. Members of the commission are appointed by the city council and serve without pay. The commissioner reviews all original zoning and reszoning requests for the city of Greensboro and each commissioner normally visits each site prior to this meeting. All commissioners are required to vote unless they have a conflict of interest. Please note that this meeting is being conducted in per in person and online and it's being recorded and televised on the Greensburg Television Network GTN and closed caption is happening for the hearing of impaired. When a case is called for that you're interested in, people wishing to speak in person will need to come to the podium. When you are called upon to speak, please state your name and address for the record. Participants attending online will be able to view the meeting and speak by using the raise hand function under the reaction button and will be called upon to speak in order in the order in in the order in which hands were raised. Please find the the raised hand function now under the reaction button. If you're participating online um and need help with Zoom during this

meeting, please email Luke Carter lucas.carter greensburgc.gov. The planning the planning staff presents background information and makes a recommendation. The applicant will present a short summary of how he or she communicated with the neighborhood and why the request is reasonable. Any commission member may ask questions once the presenter has completed their presentation. The applicant and those wanting to speak in favor of the request will share a total of 10 minutes to speak. Speakers opposed to the request will share a total of 10 minutes to speak. An applicant and those in favor of the request will share five minutes of rebuttal time. Those in opposition to the request will share five minutes of rebuttal time. All approved ordinances for denied cases receiving six or or more favorable votes will constitute a final action unless an appeal is submitted in writing to the planning department and the appeal fee paid within 10 days. All ordinances receiving less than six will be subject to a public hearing by the city council. cases in which no opposition has been expressed to the planning department and in which commission members do not feel necessitates a discussion will be moved to the top of the agenda and will become the expedited agenda. Staff will provide a shortened presentation for those cases and the applicants will have two minutes to address the commission if they so desire. Um, I'd like to acknowledge that we have no absences and at this point I would Chair Megan, we do have Miss Glass's absence even. Oh, I'm sorry. Miss Glass is not here yet, but she will be joining us. She She's not She's not here. She's not coming. No. Okay. I'm sorry. Let's

start over. Acknowledgement of absences. Miss Glass. Uh, can we take Can I have a motion to accept? So moved. And a second. Second. All those in favor, please acknowledge by raising your hand and saying I. I. All those opposed. Approval of the minutes. I will enter obtain a motion to approve the March 2025 minutes. Steu Nichols. So moved. Second. Okay. Thank you both. Um, thank you so much for that. All those in favor signify by saying I. Raising your hand. I. Anyone opposed? Okay. Now, we'll need to hear some insights from our city attorney. Good evening, Chair Maggage, Assistant City Attorney, Bern Duchamp. Um, thank you and and good evening everyone. Um, much of the planning and zoning commission's work this evening will relate to the consideration of reszoning applications. I'd like to remind everyone in attendance that when the commission considers resoning applications, uh, its determinations are based on the land uses that are allowed under the zoning district put forth in the application and any conditions that have been proposed by the applicant. Land use impacts on public infrastructure are relevant in reszoning matters and it's important to know that the commission is not here to determine all details of a development. That process involves staff input and evaluation that goes beyond the forum uh scope of the commission's work here this evening. If a resoning would generate a certain amount of traffic flow, the commissioners will have been provided with a summary traffic impact study. Um meanwhile, many sight specific development features such as the means of managing storm water are evaluated through the technical review committee rather than uh here in this forum. Lastly, concerns that are not related to land use are not germanine uh to the commission's consideration of

reasonzoning applications. For example, generalized concerns about crime rates and questions of who particularly may live at or own or use uh the subject property are not for the commission's consideration. If there are questions about matters that are not addressed here this evening, those can be referred to the planning department or technical staff as appropriate. Thank you. I have to say thank you so much to staff. Um, I could really hear you so well. Um, they they've fixed the uh your speaker. So, thank you so much. Anyhow, no. Um, u Mr. Kirkman, do we have any continuences? No, ma'am. We do not. Thank you. It's my understanding that we have um one, two, three, four cases um that will be expedited tonight and they are Z25-04-001, 363 North Church Street and RM18. Um Z25-04-004, 4115 Corbin Road, RM18, which an annexation and original zoning. Um Z-25-04-00006 6400 West Market Street and HI for reszoning. And then we have a um type modification three uh at 506 Nicholas Road. I'd like to take a moment to make sure that no one here in the chamber or online has opposition to any of these other any of these cases. Okay. Thank you so much. Um if not, we'll place these items on the uh expedited agenda and we'll proceed with the

expedited item Z25-04- 1 A resoning request from R5 residential single family 5 to CDRM18 conditional district residential multif family 18 for the properties identified as 36035 3607 and 3611 North Church Street generally described as west of North Church Street and north of Greenbryer Road 7.25 acres and Mr. Carter. Thank you, Chair Maggie. This is the subject property or the group of subject properties um and they are approximately 7.52 acres and are located west of North Church Street and north of Greenbryer Road. This is a resoning request from R5 which is residential single family five units per acre is maximum density to conditional district residential multif family 18 and 18 would be the maximum uh units per acre unless conditions otherwise north of the request is zoned uh planned unit development and that's the property that's to the northwest there uh and uh due north is uh R5 residential single family 5 east and west of the request or R5 and U I'm sorry that's east and yes east of the request is R5 south of the request is RM18 uh and west of the request is U is R5. This is the aerial map of the subject property uh which uh contains single family dwellings. Northwest of the request is a multi- um a multi-use development. North of the request is uh single family dwellings. East of the request is single family and um religious assembly. South of the request includes a convenience store with fuel pump, multif family dwellings and undeveloped land.

This is the condition that was proposed by the applicant. And in recommending approval of this request, staff notes that the GSO 2040 comprehensive plan currently designates the properties as urban general on the future built format and residential on the future land use map. The proposed resoning request supports the comprehensive plans filling in our framework goal to arrange land uses for a more vibrant and livable Greensboro and the creating great places goal to expand Greensboro's citywide network of unique neighborhoods offering residents of all walks of life a variety of quality housing choices. The proposed CDRM18 zoning district as conditioned would permit only residential uses. The proposed uses are compatible with existing uses in the surrounding area and the density is appropriate uh given that it is located along a major thoroughare. Care should be taken with respect to building orientation uh building height, building materials and visual buffers to ensure an appropriate transition to the lower density residential uses on adjacent tracks. And with that, I can answer any questions that you have. Thank you. Does the commission have any questions? Uh seeing none, we do. Mr. This is more just uh for clarification. The the condition that was imposed here is for residential use. If it had not been CDRM uh 18, it would have been RM18 which would have been a residential use. So I don't understand why that condition was added. Yes. Um RM18 allows some non-residential uses such as schools, religious assembly uses, and daycarees. So in this situation, those uses would not be permitted, only residential uses. Thank you. Um would the applicant like to make uh any comments? You have up to two minutes to speak. Okay. Thank you. Um are there any questions or comments from the commissioners? Seeing none, without

further objection, we will close the public hearing. I will entertain a motion. Yes, Madam Chel. Make a motion for agenda item. Agenda item number Z25004001. The Greensboro Planning and Zoning Commission believes that it action to recommend approval of the resoning request for the properties at 3603, 3605, 3607 and 3611 North Church Street from RFI residential single family 5 to CDRM18 conditional district residential multifamily 18 to be consistent with the adopted GSO 2040 comprehensive plan and considers the action taken to be reasonable and in the public interest for the following reasons. Number one, the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan's future built form map and future land use map. The proposed CDRM18 zoning district as condition permits uses that fit the context of the surrounding area and limits negative impacts on the adjacent properties. Number three, the request is reasonable due to the size, physical conditions, and other attributes of the area. It would benefit the property owner and the surrounding community and its approval is in public interest. Thank you, Mr. Downey. Do I have a second? Peterson. Second. Thank you, Mr. Peterson. Um, we will take a vote. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I. Anyone opposed? That passes 8 to zero. Um, this approval constitutes a final action. Unless an appeal is submitted in writing to the planning department and an appeal fee paid within 10 days, anyone may file such appeal. All such appeals will be subject to a public hearing at the Tuesday, May 20th, 2025 city council meeting. All adjoining property owners will be notified of any such appeal.

The next case uh item PL25-16 and Z25-04-004 an annexation and original zoning request from county RS30 residential single family to city CDRM18 conditional district residential multif family 18 for the property identified as 4125 Corin road generally described as west of Corin Road and west of US Highway 29 10.64 acres and Mr. Carter. Thank you, Chair Mac. This is the zoning map of the subject property. Um this is an annexation and original zoning request um for uh 4115 Corbin Road. It's approximately 10.64 acres. Um the original zoning request is to be reszoned or originally zoned from county RS30 which is residential single family to city CD RM18. Um north of the request contains undeveloped land um and uh single family residential and a manufactured home park. And the zonings uh to the north are um the county RS30 and county RS30 MH. And the MH is an overlay district for the manufactured home park. Uh east of the request are zoned uh county A uh county RS30 and county RM18 U MH and the uh permitted uses or the uses um to the east are undeveloped land highway 2 or highway 29 and a manufactured home park further east. South of the request uh is undeveloped land zoned both county RS30 and county HB. And west of the request are u

undeveloped land and single family dwellings all zoned county RS30. This is the aerial map of the subject property and I went through the um uses just a second ago. The uh property is currently undeveloped. And this is the site of a reszoning or an original zoning request that we had a few months ago. Uh and that original zoning uh was then to go to a conditional district commercial medium. Um that was withdrawn uh or wasn't approved by was it withdrawn withdrawn before it went to um city council and this is back before you now for a residential request not the not the commercial medium request. These are the conditions that were proposed which was what was discussed at that February 17th. There was there was discussion regarding um what the neighbors would like to see. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Thank you. That's a question. In our folders, we have an April 11th, 2025 annexation request for PL216 and it says the proposed land use type of self storage. That uh I apologize that is incorrect. That's that's probably a copy and paste error from the original. Um, not much else had changed on that one, just the the number and the use. So, I apologize that Do we need a motion to correct the typo? Uh, no. I don't think we need a motion. Just to acknowledge that that should say residential instead of um self storage facility. I apologize for that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Okconor. And let me just go ahead and acknowledge that a self- storage facility would not be permitted in the CDRM18 zoning district that they are requesting in case there's any confusion over over what the the actual request is. Um a self- storage facility would not be permitted under this request.

Um these are the conditions that were proposed by the applicant. Um the first condition is that uses shall be limited to a maximum of 70 residential dwelling units. Maximum building height shall not exceed 25 ft and a six-foot opaque fence shall be provided along any property line directly abuting existing residential uses. And I can um I will make the our staff's recommendation in recommending approval of this request. Staff notes that the GSO 2040 comprehensive plan designates the site as urban general on the future built form and residential on the future land use map. The proposed resoning request supports the comprehensive plans filling in our framework goal to arrange land uses for a more vibrant and livable Greensboro and the creating great places goal to expand Greensboro's citywide network of unique neighborhoods offering residents of all walks of life a variety of quality housing choices. The proposed CDRM18 zoning district as condition would limit uses to a maximum of 70 residential dwelling units. The proposed uses are compatible with the existing uses in the surrounding area and the proposed density is appropriate given its proximity to uh to US Highway 29. Care should be taken with respect to building orientation, materials, height, and visual buffers to ensure an appropriate transition to the lower density residential uses on adjacent tracks. And with that, I can question. Mr. Peterson, did we do annexation on this property? The Yes. So, the the annexation um motion from the planning and zoning commission was to recommend approval. It never went to to city council. So, we'll have to make that that motion again. And Mr. Dann, thank you very much for all that clarity. Um uh if the let's see at this

point if the applicant would like to make any comments you have up to two minutes. All right. Thank you. Uh seeing none without further objection we will close the public hearing and I entertain a motion for this new um we need an annexization motion first and then an original zoning. Madam chair I move annexation second. Thank you, Mr. Connor and uh and Mr. Peterson. Now we'll take a vote. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your arm. I. Anyone opposed? That passes 8 to zero. This approval constitutes a favorable recommendation and is subject to a public hearing at uh the Tuesday, May 20th, 2025 city council meeting. Madam Chair, I have a motion. Please read the motion. The Greensboro Planning and Zoning Commission believes that its action to recommend approval of the original zoning request for the property at 4115 Corbin Road from county RS30 residential single family to city CDRM18 conditional district residential multifamily 18 to be consistent with the adopted GSO 2040 comprehensive plan and considers the action taken to be reasonable and in the public interest for the following reasons. The request is consistent with the comprehensive plans future built form map and future land use map. The proposed city CDRM18 zoning district as conditioned permits uses that fit the context of the surrounding area and limits negative impacts on the adjacent properties. The request is reasonable due to the size,

physical condition, and other attributes of the area. It will benefit the property owner and surrounding community and approval is in the public interest. Commissioner Gilbert second. Thank you, Mr. Okconor and Mr. Gilbert. Um, now we will take a vote on the actual zoning. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your arm. I. Anyone opposed? That passes 8 to zero. This constitutes this zoning request constitutes a favorable recommendation and is subject to a public hearing on Tuesday, May 20th, 2025. Madam Chair, may I just add something? I do appreciate Mr. Rigggins for his persistence and correcting a few things. So, thank you for bringing this to our attention and bringing this again. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Down. The next item on our agenda is Z25-04-006, a resoning request from CM Commercial Medium to HI heavy industrial to CDHI conditional district heavy industrial for the property identified as 6,400 West Market Street, generally described as north of West Market Street and west of Stage Coach Trail, 85 acres. Thank you. Hello. Thank you. This is the um zoning map of the sub showing the subject properties approximately. 85 acres and is located north of West Market Street and west of State Coach Trail. This is a reszoning request from CM Commercial Medium and HI heavy

industrial to CDHI conditional district heavy industrial. North, south and west of the request are zone HI heavy industrial. East of the request are zoned CM commercial medium and HIV industrial. This is the aerial map. The subject property is a former sexual oriented business. North of the request contains a warehouse and distribution facility. East of the request contains a convenience store with fuel pumps, eating and drinking establishment and trucking and equipment rental facility. South of the request contains manufacturing, warehouse and distribution distribution facility. West of the request contains a warehouse and distribution facility. This is the um condition proposed by the applicant. The staff recommends that the GSO 2040 comprehensive plan designates this site as urban central on the future built for map. The future built for map also shows this property as within the west market street reinvestment corridor, a possible workforce transit corridor and an urban mixuse corridor. The GSO 2040 comprehensive plan designates this site commercial on the future land use map. The proposed resoning request is consistent with the comprehensive plans growing economic competitiveness goal to increase and preserve the inventory of developer sites compatible with corporate and industrial uses. The

request also supports a comprehensive plans filling in our framework strategy to maintain inventory and market key under utilized sites and structures to private industry and developer. The proposed CDHI zoning district has conditioned allows uses that are compatible with existing manufacturing uses adjacent to the subject property. And I can answer my question. Mrs. Does the commission have any questions? Okay. Uh seeing none, would the applicant like to make any comments? You have up to two minutes. Okay. Thank you very much. Seeing none, without further objection, we will close the public hearing. I will entertain a motion. Thank you, Mr. Nichols. The Greensboro Planning and Zoning Commission believes that its action to recommend approval of the reszoning request for the property at 6400 West Market Street from CM Commercial Medium to HI heavy industrial to CDHI conditional district heavy industrial to be consistent with the adopted GSO 2040 comprehensive plan and considers the action taken to be reasonable and in the public interest for the following reasons. One, the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan's future built form map and future land use map. Two, the proposed CDHI zoning district as condition permits uses that fit the context of the surrounding area and limits negative impacts on the adjacent properties. And three, the request is reasonable due to the size, physical conditions, and other attributes of the area. It will benefit the property owner and surrounding community. and approval is in the public interest. Thank you, Mr. Nichols. I can we have a second,

please? Second. Thank you, Miss Turner. Um, now we will take a vote. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your arm. I I. Any opposed? That passes 8 to zero. This approval constitutes a final action unless an appeal in writing is submitted in writing to the planning department and the appeal be paid within 10 days. Anyone may file such appeal. All such appeals will be subject to a public hearing on Tuesday, May 20th, 2025, city council meeting. All adjoining property owners will be notified of any such appeals. Thank you, Miss Miss. The next item on our expedited agenda is Thank you. Item PL25-17506 Nicholas Road west of Nicholas Road and south of Rowan Way. Consideration of a type three modification, a request to exceed the allowed density of the upper Randleman Lake watershed proposing 79.73% of the builtupon area the BUA where land development ordinance LDO section 30-12-3-11 table it just went dark on Okay. Uh, table, I think it's 12-6, even though it says seven. Okay. Thank you. Good evening. I'm Johnny Hill with the Water Resources Department. I'll speak to the type three in front of you. Um, apologize for the attachment that we've got here, but there's a site plan that's showing on your screen. This is for a proposed U automotive dealership along Nicholas Avenue and

Rowan Way. There are two existing dealerships on this site. Uh the project total project area consists of 10.36 acres. Uh the area they are looking to develop is uh 3.61 acres of which they will treat all the storm water that's generated from that site which is 1.34 acres. They'll treat that in an underground storm water system. Um, as part of this request, since they are exceeding our builtup pond area maximum of 70% for upper random watershed, excuse me, they are proposing to capture some additional site area and and treat that in their system as well. So, they're treating an additional 1.12 acres of builtupon area. um that will be um 79 7% built upon area which does exceed but they are proposing that equal or better performance um in order to proceed. We did get a favorable recommendation from our technical review committee back on March 21st. So happy to answer any questions you might have. So referring to the map here, could you point to the area where the storage contain the underground storage container is? It's this large area here behind the building. Those are underground cells which store the water and then it filters through the system as it outputs across the existing dealerships. Okay, this is a little bit confusing. Does the commission need any more clarity? Was that enough? Okay. Thank you, Mr. Hill. We really appreciate you coming to explain that to us in a little bit more details because we never had one like this before. So, we really appreciate um um understanding that this is a flow of Yes. area that's being um now we we're using your technical um type three

modification information and you're educating us. So, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. Um, with that said, um, and we don't have any questions. No questions. Okay. Then we will close the public hearing and I will entertain a motion. This is a um final action. So, we just need a motion um explaining that for consideration as a type three modification. Commissioner Keith As it pertains to PLP 25-17 top three modification, I recommend approval for 506 Nicholas Road. Second. I need a second. Second. Thank you, Mr. Peterson and Mr. Downey. Okay, with that said, all those in favor signify. We'll take the vote now. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your arm. I. Anyone opposed? that passes 8 to zero. Uh this approval constitutes a final action unless an appeal is submitted in writing to the planning department and the appeal fee paid within 10 days. Anyone may file such appeal. All such appeals will be subject to a public hearing at the Tuesday, May 20th, 2025 city council meeting. All adjoining property owners will be notified of any such appeal. Thank you so much, Mr. Hello. All right. So, let me read this first. And now we are moving to um the ex the the regular agenda. And uh the first item on that is item PL25-15 and Z25-04-002. an annexation and original

zoning request from county RS30 residential single family to city CDRM12 conditional district residential multif family 12 for the property identified as five 521 Callum Kalindale Road a portion of 3425 Randleman Road generally described as south of Calendale Road and east of Randleman Road and north of Interstate 85, 6.64 acres and item PLP 25-15 and Z25-04-003. Actually, both of these will fall under the same annexation. an original zoning request from county RS30 residential single family to city RM12 residential multif family for the property identified as a portion of theale road right of way generally described as east of Randle Monroe and north of interstate 85 63 acres and hello Mr. Nelson thank you chair Megan this is the zoning map showing that the subject contain approximately 7.27 acres total and located south of Calendale Road east of Randleman Road and north of Interstate 75. The subject properties for the request at Z-25-04-2 are subject to an annexation and original zoning request from county RS30 single residential single family to city CDRM12 district residential multifamily 12. Uh item Z-25-04-3 is an annexation zoning request for county R from county RS30 to

city R pardon me city RM12. North of the request is zoned city RM18 residential multif family 18 and county RS30. East of the request is zone city CDRM12, county and apartment and county agricultural. South of request is zone county a west the request is zone county uh pardon me city R5 residential single family 5 and county RS40. This is the arrow map of the of the area showing that the subject property for Z-25-04-2 is currently undeveloped. The subject property for Z-25-04-3 is the portion of Kendelle Road indicated on the map. North of the request contains single and multifamily dwellings. East of the request contains multif family dwellings currently under development. South of the request contains Interstate 85 roof ofway and rest of the request contains single family dwellings, common elements and route of way. This image shows the subject properties for Z-25-04-2 as seen from Kenddale Road. And this image shows the subject properties from that request as seen from Rland Road. This image shows a single family dwelling located north of the request on Kalandell Road, zone county RS30. This image shows multif family dwellings located north of the request on Calendarell Road, zone city RM18. This image shows multif family dwellings located north of the request on Ramland Road, zone city CDRM12. This image shows multif family dwellings currently under construction located east of the requests on Kalenale Road zone city

CDRM12. And this image shows Interstate 85 located south of the request zone city R3. This image shows single family dwellings and road rideway located west of the request on Ramon Road zone city R5. This view is facing east on Kenell Road. The subject property for Z-25-04-2 is on the left. And the subject property for Z-25-043 is this section of Kendelle Road. And this im this view is facing west on Kendelle Road. The subject property for the first request is on the right. And the second request is the right way pictured. This view is facing north. Pardon me. This view is facing south on railland road. So the properties here on the left and this view is facing north on rail road. This set of properties on the right. These are the conditions proposed by the applicant which were associ which were advertised with the request. And in recommending approval, staff noted that the GSO 2040 comprehensive plan designates this site as urban general on the future build format and the future the comprehensive plans future land use map designates the property as roughly half residential and half commercial. Um, the proposed original zoning request supports both the comprehensive plans creating great places goal to expand Greensboro citywide network of unique neighborhoods offering residents of all walks of life a variety of quality housing choices and the building community connections goal to maintain stable, attractive and healthy places to live and raise families. And in recommending approval, staff noted that the proposed CDRM12 zoning district as condition limits permitted uses to single and multif family dwellings dwelling types that reflect the developing character of the area around the subject properties and that the uses permitted on the proposed

zoning district are compatible with existing uses located on adjacent tracks. Questions? Thank you so much. That was excellent. Um, if the applicant would like to come forward, um, you have up to eight up to 10 minutes to speak. Please give us your name and address. Madam chair, members of the commission, my name is Nick Blackwood, 804 Green Valley Road here in Greensboro. I have some materials. I believe I'll be fairly brief. I think staff's explanation of the project and their um information in their staff report pretty much covered our request. Um and flipping through the packet that I just handed out. I think we can breeze past the second page just covering the zoning conditions. Uh we're prohibiting vertical traditional vertical multif family apartments. This is intended to be a townhouse project. And we've also included a condition requiring no less than 35% brick, stone or hardy board type material. Uh the next slide again just giving you an aerial image of where this property sits adjacent to 85. Uh you've got the existing multif family developments to the north. Uh multif family developments under construction to the east. And then just to help orient you a little bit, you've got a that large building you see on the right hand side of your page. That's Walmart off of South L Eugene Street. The next slide just again to highlight some of the the the context of the the zoning existing zoning districts in the area. Uh we've got a good amount of existing multif family zoning on Kenddale Road. A mix of RM12 and RM18 all vertical multif family products. So this is going to be a multif family district but limited to town

homes. an illustrative sketch plan showing you the conceptual layout of the footprints of some of these of how the town houses will be configured on the site. So, we're currently showing one point of access off of Calendell, no access on Randomman Road, and um just there's an area for some amenities that we're trying to maintain, a playground area, a covered picnic shelter with uh picnic tables. Um and then you'll see again just a single access point on with all of the units funneling onto those interior access drives. The next slide shows an illustrious rendering prepared by Carlos Sanchez. He's our our client and architect on this project. And Carlos is here this evening. If you have any questions for for him about the about the project, I think this is going to be a unique uh product type uh for the city uh with the garages on the bottom floor, living space above. Um something like you might see in a in a modern development in Raleigh or Charlotte, something that that we don't have a lot of here in Greensboro. So, a pretty unique product. And the last page is a copy of our notice letter. Uh we sent this letter out to all the property owners on the city's notification list. Uh held a neighborhood meeting. Uh we had one property owner attend as well as her tenant. They actually live south of 85. If you'll flip back with me to our GIS aerial. So the sliver of Randomman Road property that's included in our request. It's actually one parcel with kind of that rectangle that you see directly south of our site across 85. That property was split into two pieces when 85 came through. So for purposes of generating the mailing list, I believe the entire perimeter boundary of of that entire parcel was used. So, so these folks live a good distance south of 85, further down Randleman Road, and they were just curious about what was

happening with that southern part of the the property that's not actually part of our request. So, um, other than that, no concerns. So, happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Does the commission have any questions? I just like clarity. Uh there was a image that we saw of Elmsley Trail Apartments and that's an R that's across the street and that's an RM18. And then at the end of the street we saw an image of a property in that was in development stage and that is the RM12 the villa at Elms. Okay. Okay. And um let's see. Next to the Elmsley is the loss. Correct. That's the that's the other development that we don't see on our map here. But um Okay. So all around this we have a RM18 that's already built. We have a RM12 next to it that's being built. I just wanted to get clarity of you know what there was a lot of construction and everything going on there. I just wanted to be clear and the entrance here is on uh Kendale on Kalenale. That's correct. Um so that will be the the in and out manner, right? Okay. All right. Thank you. Um any other questions from the commissioners? Okay. Thank you. Uh anyone else wishing to speak in favor of this? Okay. No. All right. So then anyone any Oh, you're going to speak in favor? Okay. I thought that you were in opposition. I'm a little confused. It's okay. I confused a lot of people. Um sometimes I just try to use the best fit to make sure that if I have a question just in case he used

up all his time that I can still be able to spit. So I'm not I'm not against it, right? But I do have a procedural question related to this property and annexation if I so may. My name is Cheryl Maccgyver, 404 West Messa Drive, Greensboro, North Carolina. Okay. Um, so I'm not sure if this a commissioner question or a planning question. I noticed that city council had this on their consent agenda this past Tuesday, the annexation request. And so I was just a little curious as to why it's on the city council's consent agenda prior to the commissioner making their recommendations. Okay. So all questions have to be asked to us. Okay. And then would you clarify that for us, Mr. Kman? Thank you. Right. This can be a little bit confusing. So when when properties annexed into the city of Greensboro, state law requires that city council establish a public hearing date via action on an agenda. So, what was on the consent agenda uh for council last week was a an item to call the public hearing for May 20th for the annexation for this. So, that lines up then if the planning and zoning commission makes their recommendation tonight, um then everything comes together on May 20th, but there is an extra step that state law requires us to do. And so, that's why there was a consent agenda item on there. So, it was no action on the council's part related to actually approving anything. All they were doing was setting a public hearing date which was required by state law. And is that always the case? Yes, that is always the case, right? That we have to do one agenda, set the agenda date for the hearing at a future date and then we try to line everything up so it all matches up. We all learn something. Okay. So, chairman, so it can even though they're not approving anything, which I understand, they can put it on the public hearing prior to the commissioners making their decision. Correct. All this doing is say a public hearing date. Okay. All right. The

second part I'd just like to say to your point when you were talking about the map and I think we I think this has been mentioned previously that typically what planning and zoning is showing you guys on the map that with the lines they're not really updated right because on your map it looked like all empty lot land even though he came back and showed you that there were apartments built there. So, I think it's important for these cases that you guys get a good visual of the GIS with the properties that are already built. And then, um, thirdly, I just like to thank Isix and Sheridan. And I apologize that I have you on the last meeting because I, uh, I I did sign up to speak. U, but I want to thank you for bringing something different. Um, the entrance is not a problem. It's a deadend road. Um, so it's not a not an issue. They listen to the community and they always when speaking to the developer always says, "Hey, this is kind of what the community has already asked for and they're able to work with the developers upfront to um kind of ease some of these things that happen when we come before you." So, we appreciate the different type um housing that will be on that that corner. So, nothing further. Thank you guys. Thank you for bringing that up. And it is a different type of housing. It's town homes. and everything. So, it's different. Yes. So, thank you so much. Uh, do we have any opposition now? I think we don't have any opposition. So, seeing none, um, we don't need any rebuttal time unless um the I I don't think we do because that was a question for planning. Yeah. No, Chair Magamine in the in the uh absence of any opposition, I don't I don't think there would be a need for a rebuttal period. Okay. Thank you. So that uh so without further objection if

if the commissioners have no further comments to make. Okay then we will close the public hearing and I would um um if you have any discussion anything that anyone wants to say okay then I will entertain a motion to annex first and then we'll do the original. Uh Mary's Kees regarding um PLP 25-15 which is an annexation request for 521 Kalumale Road and a portion of 3425 Randleman Road. Um I move approval of the annexation. Commissioner Gilmore second. Thank you, Mr. Ke and Mr. Gilmore. All right. And now we'll take a vote. All those in favor, please raise your arm and say, "I I." Any opposed? That passes 8 to zero. And now we need an original zoning. All right. Madam Chair, I'd like to make a motion regarding agenda item number Z254002. The Greensboro Planning and Zoning Commission believes that it action to recommend approval of the original zoning request for the properties at 521 I have no idea. Kilimondelle Road and a portion of 3425 Randomman Road from county RS30 residential single family to city CDRM12 conditional district residential multifamily 12 to be consistent with the adopted GSO 2040 comprehensive plan and considers the action taken to be reasonable and in the public interest for the following reasons. Number one, the request is consistent with the comprehensive plans uh comprehensive plans future built form map and future land use map. Number two, the proposed city CDRM12 zoning district as condition permits usage that fits the contacts of the surrounding area and

limits negative impacts on the adjacent properties. Number three, the request is reasonable due to the size, physical conditions, and other attributes of the area. it will benefit the property owner and surrounding community and approval is in a public interest and I need a second. Commissioner Gilmer second. Thank you Mr. Downing and Mr. Gilmer. Um now we'll take a vote. All those in favor signify by saying I raising your arm. I All those opposed. That passes 8 to zero. And um these both the annexation and the re and the original zoning constitute a favorable recommendation and is subject to a public hearing at the Tuesday May 20th 2025 city council meeting. Thank you m Mr. We also have a motion for the original zoning for the right of way that needs to happen. Oh I'm sorry we didn't do that. Okay so let's let's read that. Okay, we need to do the uh Z25-04-003 the right of way. I would make that motion please for Z25-04-00003. The Greensboro Planning and Zoning Commission believes that its action to recommend approval of the original zoning request for a portion of Callumale Road right ofway from county RS30 residential single family to city RM12 residential multifamily 12 to be consistent with the adopted GSO 2040 comprehensive plan and considers the action taken to be reasonable and in the public interest for the following reasons. One, the request is consistent with the comprehensive plans future built format map and future land use

map. Two, the proposed city RM12 zoning district permits uses that fit the context of the surrounding area and limits negative impacts on the adjacent properties. Three, the request is reasonable due to the size, physical conditions, and other attributes of the area. It will benefit the property owner and surrounding community and the approval is in the public interest. Thank you. And I need a second. Well, and I think the CL the motion is seconded. We need to hear from staff. Um do we not? I we have I mean so this is uh under state law when you have um non-t taxable property basically public property that's in between the corporate limits of the city and a petition annexation the rightway in this case would come in automatically. So when we made the motion earlier, it was for all of those items. Oh, got it. Okay. It was confusing. I apologize. And on that basis, this one was, you know, for the actual land use and this is for the right of way. So I apologize. So with that said, so Mr. Nichols was a second. Is that what I heard? Did I get? Yes, I second. Perfect. So thank you, Miss Turner and Mr. Nichols. And uh without further ado, we'll take a vote. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I anyone opposed. That passes 8 to zero. And uh this approval constitutes a favorable recommendation and is subject to a public hearing at the Tuesday, May 20th, 2025 city council meeting. We sometimes get a little hung up when we have two of them together and we don't have to do two annexations because it's the same annexation. Correct. Okay. Thank

you. That concludes the regular agenda. Um items from planning. We we don't have anything for the commission this evening. I actually have an item if I may. I'm sorry. Um, on April 8th, this has been a long month, but on April 8th in Raleigh, there was a statewide conference on the state of real estate, which was addressed in person by Governor Josh Stein, also from representatives from both sides of the aisle from the North Carolina Senate, North Carolina House, a researcher by the name of Patrick Bowen who talked about statewide housing supply gap. But of all the speakers, the final was the best and that was our own Sue Schwarz who spoke about putting planning in the spotlight as strategic alignment for the housing supply. So I just wanted to commend and thank her for representing us so well and for her comments and her last remark after she gave her speech which was wellreceived was that housing is where jobs go to sleep at night. So thank you Sue Schwarz. That was really good. Thank you so much. We'll close the public hearing now. Um and uh I'd just like to ask, do we have what what's our intention for next month? Uh we are looking right now we think eight cases total. Eight cases. Eight cases. Okay. And and wishing you a happy birthday, Mr. Kirkman. And to you as chair, Megan, thank you. We share a birthday. So, thank you so much. So, we're now adjourned.

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