City Council - Regular Meeting

Second. It's been second. Any further discussion? No further discussion. All those in favor by raising your right hand. Unanimous. Thank you so much. Brings us down to item five. A request to change the name better road to town center Parkway. Our city street supervisor is present. Good afternoon everyone. Good evening. Good evening. Sorry. Um supervisor for um city of Greensburg and um we like to um do a request for be change over to town center since it's a inner center in the city um road. Um it should be good for the developer coming up next for for upcoming businesses any courses for Mr. Smith and also the county they going look into that area too. They going to change with us also change that portion. So a question come from counsel at this time. So the entire road is not going to be town just a portion of it for right now. Just the road in the city. But later the county also going to change that portion also. Any more question at this time? No question. I entertain a motion and a second to approve the change of bill.

to the town center park. Motion to approve. Second. It's been second. Any further discussion? No further discussion. All those in favor raise your right hand. Thank you so much. Thank you, Miss Smith. Thank you. Next on our agenda is item B, water tower agreement for Verizon Wireless. Ask where my department head is tonight. Good evening. Good evening. How are you, Mayor and City Council? I've got a little drawing of the tank. And what it might look like. My desire this afternoon is to offer a brief explanation and support of the cellular extension to our downtown water treatment tank. It's located the tank is located behind Walgreens on South East Street. In front of you, I printed out some drawings and a picture of what the structure might look like. I've checked with Verizon and they've agreed with our water tank maintenance engineer regarding any added structural supports that might be needed and the maintenance of those supports going forward. They they have agreed to pay for those uh upfront. So I think the project will be a win-win for all parties uh involved. The citizens of Greensboro would benefit twofold. Number one, they the added cellular service throughout the city and and uh surrounding areas and the monthly revenues that we would generate from Verizon which would help the budgeting revenues for the

maintenance of those water tanks throughout the city. So, Mr. Tell what I just want to go I want you to go on record again saying that this will help those rising customers that are now um I guess having some kind of outage when they come through town. Is that what you're saying? This will fix that issue. I I can't not person I can't I can't say that it would make things worse. It would certainly make things better. All right. We have a terrible outage right now. We do. We do. This, you know, this is supposed to boost, you know, cellular services in and around the city. All right. A lot of cellular engineers, you know. So, it's our hope that this will Yeah. Okay. We help out customers. Council, you heard request coming from Mr. Callaway in regards to the agreement for the water. I take a motion question. Go ahead. Go ahead. Who's first? Go ahead. So, I know that these are probably two different things, but it's not so much the cell phone service is internet service downtown in the downtown area. And I know that the internet provider, but I guess Mr. Mayor, uh, Mr. City Manager, we looked at anything with broadband looking for a grant that could help with broad um council more um that's something that um we probably could um I know um pride administration I don't know what current one doing um they prioritize um connectivity so we will have to sit down

with our um prov local providers and see if we can do a public partner part partnership and provide a um much needed better capab capability on our internet and I do know that is a um problem sometime we have it here at city hall not much but that that is um is something that we can um if council want us to look into um look and see if we can um enhance the um the um fiber capability downtown here that charter doesn't charter have that well it's charter it's a combination of the charter spectrum and whoever the other providers you know we'll probably get with one provider um council member Moore and um come up with with a solution to some of those um connectivity issues and you know and probably you know probably um some of them probably still on the old copper lines and we probably you know require you know a lot of underground um new fiber lines and everything. So um that's something that um we probably could look at. Yeah, I I found it. I was looking for it's a fiveyear agreement, right? I'm sorry. What? Fiveyear agreement term agreement. Yeah. Okay. That's what I hear any more. At this time I enter a motion second to approve the motion to approve. Second. It's been second. Any further discussion? No further discussion. All those in favor let it be known by raising your right hand. Nice to see you. Thank you so much. Next is item six, Greensboro wastewater plant. Uh our wastewater department here

is not here. We would like to recognize the city of Greensboro um for outstanding public service by the Greensboro water department plant. This year the water department wastewater department saved us $25,449 in energy savings. That's in that was in 2024. So they was recognized for cost saving our waste department was. Next on our agenda is item seven old business. Miss a second reading for the zoning ordinance proposed amendments to section 12-121-91 nonforming buildings and uses and additions of section 121-98 non-conforming lots. Sir, good evening mayor and council. How are you? Good. So these uh ordinances um currently the discontinuence um ordinance is u has five years. So, if a non-conforming use um is out of business for five years, then another non-conforming use can still come into that location even though it doesn't comply to the zoning ordinance. So, the amendment is to change that 5 years to six months. And then there's also a section that's being added non-conforming lots. And this section is not in the ordinance currently and it would allow for lots of record. So, it wouldn't be a lot that was created, but an existing lot of record um as long as it met 75% of the uh requirements for the zone that it was in, then that lot would not require a variance. So, for example, if it was 15,000 square feet and the lot width was um 100, the lot width would have to be a minimum of 75 ft and the lot size would have to be

11,250. And that would If the zoning requirement for that lot was 15,000 ft council anything this the second reading on Yes, it is. I've been looking at this. I'm having a hard time with the terms that we have going from 5 years to 6 months. His dad I think I asked this question last last last meeting. If this not doing independence within six month, you can are you telling me that you can cancel whatever is going on in that building and give it to someone else? What are you saying? I can handle it. Yeah. So, Councilman, what we what we're looking at is if you have a piece of property that's being used in a way that's grandfathered. So, the zoning underneath it doesn't match what use is going on, you guys allow somebody to continue that use. You can't make it bigger, but you can continue if it stops for whatever reason. Say somebody's goes out of business or there's an disaster or something that that piece of property is not used.

Currently, it's five years before before that property goes to its normal zone. In other words, if the underlying zone was say agricultural and somebody was doing something commercial and five years can last can lapse when nothing goes on and then someone can come in open up a store again. Y'all don't have a lot of property in the city that is non-conforming, but y'all got some. Um, most cities either six or one year. Those are your really kind of standard. I've seen some twos. I've never seen a five. A five is a very long time because what happens is you have a piece of property that's been grandfathered. If Ivon gets an application, say that property has been vacant for four, four and a half years. It's hard to find evidence to prove that non that still going on. Four, four and a half, five years is a long time. Not to mention that the reason you've got it zoned a certain way is because you want the zone to you want property to be used for that zone. Um you don't have to go to six. You could make that change to one if you think or you could go to two. It's just that five makes it to where I mean Ivon you weren't here five years ago. No, right. So and Barats wasn't here five years ago. So I don't know where Rick Zy is. We had to pull him out of the closet somewhere to tell us what happened here four and a half years ago. Um, I think from y'all's perspective, just from a zoning standpoint, we should probably make that time a little bit smaller. It doesn't have to be six months, but that's that's the I guess maybe the standard between six and a year. Thank you. What What made them choose? Is that something that you guys came up with? That was that was standard. Okay. If y'all want to change that to one, just do it by motion. If you want to change it to a bigger number, that's fine. Like I said, if y'all want to keep it five, that would be fine, too. It's just it's an administrative process that we have to go through. The non-conforming lot one, what y'all were doing is when

someone came with a property that was too small, y'all were doing every one of them by variance. And most jurisdictions instead will say, "Well, here instead of having to come up every time to get a variance, they just make smaller rules for just those non-conforming lots." And like Miss Greenway said, you're not going to have anymore. The number that you have now is the number that you have unless you change sizes, which I don't I don't expect to do anytime soon. Any more questions? No. Yes. Yes, sir. At this time, I motion to approve request. Motion to approve. Second at this time I entertain a motion to deny motion to deny. Second. It's been second. Any further discussion? There is fur discussion come. You're choosing to deny. What are you choosing to deny? What time? I choose to deny six months to a year at least a year. I can deal with that just six month you're not giving my business sometime. So we approve it with an amendment. So you approve it with an amendment. That's just me. So that it needs to be made a motion. We'll let that motion die. So I step in You tell me. Council Miller, sounds like you want to offer a motion to amend the proposed ordinance to increase the time to one year from six months. Yeah. Yeah. And then if you make that motion, then you can see you

got a second. I make that motion from 6 months to one year. Is there second? It's been second. Any further discussion? No further discussion. All those in favor, let it be known by raising your right hand. Thank you so much. Next item B, second reading for AX-2425-01 activation request with C3 zoning designation on Willow Road. Yes, sir. So, this property is adjacent to Light Industrial and B2. Um it is in the Green County greater Greensboro character area and the city of Greensboro. It's adjacent to the Gateway South and industry center character areas. Um Gateway South allows B2, C3 and CPU and the industry center allows light industrial and office institutions. They are proposing a zoning of C3 um for this uh property um if it's annexed into the city. Um I want to show you some pictures so it kind of gives you a little better perspective of it. So this is the area that we're looking at. This is our zoning map. Um this one is in the city as well, the Dallas center, but um Nollis is not in the city currently. Um this property right here and maybe this one helps more is um the property that's being proposed. There is a creek that runs all along here and This portion of the property is unusable. So only this portion right here is um able to be used. And these are the uh buildings that they're proposing. There are two 12,000 foot buildings. Um

here's a sample of a type building that they're wanting to uh put there. And that could be one tenant, it could be six tenants, it could be two tenants. So that's what they're proposing. The uh planning commission did u recommend that it have retail on the front um so that it was not just a straight warehouse. They did not want warehouses facing the run and that was their condition that they put on. Here is a public comment requested J. Thank you, Mayor and Council. I think I spoke to you last time, first meeting. Um, but my name is Jay Dell. I'm attorney here in town. I represent the owner of the property, HCS LLC. As Ivon said, we would like the property to be annexed into the city with a zoning of C3. Um, we agree with I would say 90% of what the planning staff have proposed. Uh the one thing that as Von said, they wanted a condition of retail up front. We would we would ask that you not impose that condition uh simply because we think retail is too too restrictive. What we're looking for is is a flex space where you have some sort of business use up front with warehouse in the back. Um a typical use like that might be a a lighting store. Um which would have the retail up front and then you know light storage in warehouse area in the back. The reason we don't want to to retail. Um, it also could be some sort of office space uh where you have a builder um has his office up front and some sort of storage in the back or any other type of business. So, we think retail is a little too restrictive. Um, we do agree we don't want warehousing all the way up. We want some sort of business use up

front, not just limited to retail. Um, the other things I'd like to go over, I think the staff did a really good job uh on what this board this we need to consider upon resoning. Uh there's about 15 things that are in your city code that you're supposed to look at and the staff did a great job of going over those. Um a couple things that I said we only agree with about 90% of what they said. So that 10% I'd like to point out that we disagree with. Uh one is the uh would the changing conditions in the area make proposed amendment necessary? Uh and the staff said no. I think it does make proposed amendment to C3 zoning necessary because The property is currently zoned agricultural. Uh this is on Will Run Road. It's right next adjacent to the railroad tracks there. Yearwoods Auto is on one side. Industrial Park is behind it. On the other side across the street there is a um another commercial building that's been put in. Fry mall structures uh that that builds uh commercial buildings that they haul out on the trailer. They Chick-fil-A. things like that they build there. Um the current zone in agriculture just can't be used. The property has been vacant. It's never been built upon as Lon said it is 11 acres but only about four of it's usable because of the topo the creek and there's a sewer line running through the back. So really with four and a half usable acres there's no agricultural use that could be could be used there. So I don't think the current zoning is usable. Um the the other one of the main reasons for this u development and annotation in the city is to adapt to the water and sewer. Uh again, it's not usable right now without water and sewer just because of the size that's on it. So, um you know, we we're asking that you annex this property into the city with the C3

zoning designation. Um and uh again we would ask that instead of limited to a retail use up front that it be some sort of business use versus strictly retail. There's any questions I'd be happy to answer those design does not change if um we expanded from just retail to business use. The design shouldn't change for the phase of the the front facing of the building will change. It should not change. It should not change. Now, these are preliminary plans. So, they'll still have to go through the development process um and submit plans for review and approve. So, this is just a concept plan. He's asking that we change it to C zoned correct? Yes, sir. And it's currently zoned as agriculture. Yes, sir. Plan is owner denied the fact that that it needed to be changed to C. No, sir. They recommended it um they recommended approval with the condition that it have retail up front and their main concern was they just did not want a warehouse, you know, two 12,000 square foot warehouses facing. I thought I heard that last time you brought it back up. I thought we cleared that part up. Any question coming from council at this time? See, that's was it conditioning you said but not to have retail? No. two half that was and it's agriculture right now. Yeah, it's agriculture right now.

They're asking to change it. It needs to be changed to C3 and instead of having a limited to retail, they're asking that it be um opened up to business instead of retail and also ask to annex it in to the city. Any questions, comments, concern coming at this time? I would entertain a motion to approve um the annexation request um and demen the part about retail and I would like to open it up to business instead of just having it having it retail. I entertain that motion. Does that affect what the PNC board recommended was changing that motion that well I asked does it does it does it change the phasing of it I don't think it change the phasing of it or the look of it is that correct all you the condition that you're discussing is use not necessarily look so um I think planning and zoning's recommendation was that condition be placed on the resoning it's up to you as a body whether or not you want to include that Um, and that's no different than if you uh, you know, you had some other, you could actually add a condition if you wanted to, but obviously the applicants asked for you guys to consider not putting it on there. Staff recommendation or was it the planning commission is the one who came up with

the proposed condition? The planning commission. So remember that's a recommending body. You're not required to follow. Motion is on the floor. Motion to accept to accept. Motion to accept. Does that include the condition with the condition for business? Second. Is that is that the condition for retail condition for business? For business. Okay. It's been second. Any further discussion? No further discussion. All those in favor raise your right hand and oppose the same sign. Thank you so very much. I entertain a motion at this time to adjourn the meeting. I got something. just happen here that don't sit well with me. All due respect, are we at a point now where where we don't agree or vote for an agenda item that we got to express out publicly why we don't support it? Because there have been countless times around the table that people have not supported anything. I don't recall anybody having to give their reason for not supporting something. I didn't catch that. Did I catch that? I think everybody else did. I'm done. I entertain a motion and a second to adjourn the meeting. Motion second. There's been a second. Any further discussion? No further discussion. All those in favor, let me know by raising your right hand. Let us pray. More gracious heavenly father. We love you. We magnify you. We rejoice in your name. Thank you God for allowing this business of the city to be to be

taken care of on tonight. And God, we pray over God our constituents. We pray God over our leaders. just ask that you'll lead and guide us in the way that you have us to go. In your son Jesus name we do pray. Amen. And thank God.