Mayor and Board of Trustees - Regular Meeting

Preservation Commission meeting for September 10th, 2026. Item number one on the agenda is a motion to accept and approve the minutes of the August 13th, 2026 regular meeting. Do I have a second?

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Aye, so carried. Item number two, motion to schedule the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting for 5 p.m. on October 8th, 2026 at the Station One Firehouse, 3rd and South Streets, Greenport, New York, 11944. Do I have a second? All in favor? Aye. Aye, motion carries. Item number three, any matters or issues relating to historic preservation in the village which the public wishes to bring to the attention of the commission? Rowan, that really isn't kind of how we use that slot, but rather than have you sit the whole time, because I think we know the issue and we can help you. So if you come up to the podium, introduce yourself, and just tell us what brings you here today. Thank you very much.

Good evening, everyone. My name is Ronan Gardner, spelt the same as Gardner's Bay, but unfortunately no relation. My wife and I live at 147 Bay Avenue. 147, if you don't know, is the property next to Ruby's Cove, the old B&B. We have the green shutters. We've been there since 2018, and the windows are in... various states of disrepair. So we're starting to look into our options. And I swung by the Village Hall today and it was suggested to me that I attend this meeting today, so very fortuitous that it happened to be today. So I'm really just trying to find out at this point what the restrictions are, what your preferred route is, whether there are materials that we should look at. Right now, it's interesting, the house is a combination of one over one and two over two. And there isn't much rhyme and reason as to what is one over one and what is two over two. So, again, I'm on a fact-finding mission and hoping that you might be able to direct me.

So thank you for coming. It's great. Thank you. We're glad to do it. You are a member of the Historic District. Yes. You're on the State and National Register of Historic Places as well as a member of the local Historic District. Your windows could be eligible for a 20% New York State tax credit. Windows are, in my opinion, the trickiest element of a renovation to a home. I totally prefer to restore your old weighted windows. You have old weighted windows or do you have already replaced windows?

That's a great question. Some of them are old weighted windows. I would say the majority have been replaced since the old weighted windows.

So as far as our commission, we try to accommodate the needs of the community. And as far as what we do approve, if you are going to take your historic home to a level of renovation that you will be looking at for the next 50 years and it will be authentically beautiful, you would want to renovate your old windows. And if you wanted to go for the tax credit, which is a form and about a 30 day prior to beginning of work process, you would kind of negotiate or work with SHPO. the State Historic Preservation Office, to see with your home how they would see it, what windows they would accept. So that said, that's my little introduction. I would like to introduce you to Robert Harper, who acts as our historic expert, and he could, if you'd like, work with you on, you know, he'll look up your Chris report, So we can see what your 1977 look at the house is, maybe see if we can find further back information. If you're gonna do it, you know, As right as you can and as well as you can afford, frankly.

Yeah, I found the Chris report actually last night online and it's 1840. Your home is 1840? Wonderful. It's been moved twice, if not more. It was relocated twice? It was moved in 1956 from where the Chase Bank is now. So I mean, our obviously objective is to maintain the historical integrity of the house as much as we possibly can.

I love the relocations, the human story of the house. Okay, so how could you further work with Ronan?

I'd love to make a visit. We can look at what you have. And we'll do a little treasure hunt and see what's there. I guess I could just give you my information, and you can contact me, and we can get together when you're ready. Robert, that would be fantastic. Okay, great.

I did want to mention, I believe in our brief conversation, you mentioned that the condition of some of the windows is pretty rotted. Yeah. So just something to... watch out for as you go through the house.

There are a couple that are in immediate need of attention, and then the others, I mean, obviously, I'll work with Robert and within the timeline that you all allow, and we'll make it happen.

Are there any aluminum storms on your house?

I'm sorry, I didn't know.

Aluminum storm windows? Thank you. I don't believe some of this. Because you know what? That's something that we have not discussed. Because on my house, every window has an aluminum door. Combination. And I just pushed because some of them are...

almost ceiling to floor, and some are standard, and there are so many varieties.

But look, I guess the only push there is to put the mold strip where it would be in regards to that particular window. We have energy codes that we have to abide by, so that is a consideration for your conversation. Of course, everybody would like a screen. That's pretty much it, but there's a lot of aluminum storm windows situations that we have never, ever even discussed. And almost every house in Greenport has them, and for a good reason. And it's almost because the standard, the old fashioned, and the most pain in the rear end way to get around things is to have a garage full of full view, That was the old school. When I was a contractor or a laborer in Southampton, the estates had 60 windows. That was our job, to go around and put the storm windows in. And believe me, you, brother, it was a job. Some needed to be cut down and such, but that's just something.

Could you turn down your name again, and we'll get it to you?

I'm sure Robert will walk the street with you, but Robert, I did notice that... When I walked the street this morning, Bay Avenue this morning, that many of the surrounding houses are either 2 over 2 or 2 over 1, you know, so that.

Yeah, there's 2 over 2, there's 1 over 1, there's 6 over 1.

Yeah, there's a mix, but more 2 over 2 or 2 over 1 was sort of. the more predominant theme in that immediate area. And I'm sure you'll look at all of that when you meet with Ron.

And again, if there was an addition to your home, some of these things, as we're going to be talking about later on in our conversations here, is respecting the era in which the addition was made.

As far as I know, there's no addition to your...

There's been a couple, apparently, according to the Chris report.

Right, but not, there's nothing recent that's sort of stand-alone or set apart from... No, no.

And it's very consistent, so there's no obvious addition here.

Okay. Since we snuck you in, we'll sneak you out. Thank you all very much.

It's 142?

It's 147.

147.

We're in item number three of the agenda.

This is Lisa Cooper. She just bought 425 Main Street. She's going to renovate the exterior as well as the interior. Wonderful. Hi. Hi. Do you want to say anything, Lisa? Because you're going to get to know her. Right.

I think we need you to. Come on. Yeah. If you want to speak. There it is. You don't have to. It's okay.

But we need- Name and address for the Eastern Oliver.

Yeah. Okay, this is the first time I've ever done anything like this, so. Okay, so my name is Lisa Cooper. I purchased a home this fall in South Jamesport and renovated it, and that's where I'm here like 75% of the time. I still have residents in Connecticut in the city. And I was walking one day, and I saw this building, because I do sound bath and meditation. I said, wow, this would be a really cool place, 425 Main, to do sound baths. The what? The Shira Shop. Yeah, I didn't know the history. I don't really know Greenport all that well. I don't know the area. I'm really spending, this is the first summer that I've been here. And I really fell in love with it. And I closed on it last Friday, so I now own it. And I have had bought my contractor who did my home renovation in South Jamesport.

And yeah, it's set back like this much grass. It needs a lot, a lot of work, because it's not been taken care of.

They had deaths in the family, and I know a little bit from the closing. And I have had an architect just look at it before I purchased it, Robert Brown. And I want, what my goal is, I don't know anything about, like I was speaking to Mike today about anything. I was like a housewife with five kids, and they've launched, and I'm now teaching meditation. And I want to keep the integrity of the building the way it is as much as possible with needing renovation. And what I've been told is the first floor would be retail and office space, and the second floor is residential. The way it's set up now, the bathroom, it's a little bit of a mess because of the former person, she wasn't able to walk up or something. So I'm going to have an architect come in and I don't know anything about the zonings and everything. Mike was so kind to tell me a little bit today. But like I said, I want to keep it as much as possible the way it is and possibly go backwards. to expand it if possible for possibly additional residential housing, which would be on the second floor and office space with whatever is allowed. And I'll have an architect, and I don't know. I know the front, the windows apparently have to stay exactly the way they are, which I want to keep as much as possible. There's really beautiful wood floors inside, but it needs a lot of updating. And I think the windows, my contractor said, on the second floor may not go up to code on the side because they're small. But whatever, he says, make windows that look similar to that. And he's from Greenport, I mean, well, he's from East Marion. He's very enthusiastic about working and keeping it the way it is. But it also is a business proposition as well.

That's good. If you're talking to Robert Brown, then you're in the right hands. If I what? If you're talking to Robert Brown, you're in the right hands. He's been before us many times. And actually, he's been a part of this board. Oh, really? I didn't know that. pushing Robert well I have one other person you know I have to get the name it's all good but again you're heading in the right direction good and and what you do inside is really not so important to us but maintaining the exterior and what you do when you push back and add on will certainly be a part of our concern but right well whatever you know that's all that's all okay yeah i want to make it really really beautiful like the back is a nice yard so i can make it really pretty and more like because i said i

possibly do some of my meditation things in there and more. I want to be part of the community, offer certain things that the community can be involved in. I met the woman next door today, I forget what store, Christine. And make it something that there could be involvement in the community, because I'm into the wellness field myself.

Well, congratulations. Thank you. You've come to the right place and said the right things. We're happy to work with you. Do you have any questions for us at this stage?

No. Everything I'm saying is true and honest. There's no ulterior motives to make this a big conglomerate. I know a lot of that's good. Hold on one second.

All right.

It's part of the charm.

Yeah, no, I love this going. When I first went to get my utilities, I called them like, where are you? They're like, come out, wave hello. I'll tell you how to get to the town hall because I was here. Is there anything that actually you can, like I said, this is all true and authentic and I'm not here to be like a business person.

You said it all and let's just move one step at a time. You have one of the oldest properties on Main Street. It's a significant property. Is it? It's truly a significant kind of dates to

So the plan we had with Lisa is she's going to meet with her architect and come out with some preliminary elevations for the exterior. Come back for another consultation and see if she's on the right page as far as what she wants to do. But this is still so preliminary that. Yeah.

Well, great. Yeah, I did speak to Ryan. earlier after we spoke and he's going to start getting things, contracts or whatever I need to get.

And she was able to meet the building inspector as well. Yeah.

Did you give her a press report?

No.

You might like that. It's a- A what report? It's a study that was done at the property in 1977 that has some hopefully accurate facts on it. But it's a good place to start.

Okay, how do I get that? Crisp report? You can come by Village Hall.

Okay. Hopefully we'll have it. We have it for most properties.

Crisp.

Do you know how to look it up? Can you do it?

I know how to look it up in our books. In your book. Okay. I can't get it to you. Okay. All right. All right.

Nice to meet everybody. Congratulations once again.

That's wonderful. Okay. Thank you everyone for the time now it's here. Item number four, 13 Beach Street. Discussion and possible motion on the application of Francis Murphy and Anne Finchel. Applicants propose removing five existing windows and replacing them with Anderson double hung colonial style six over one windows. One bathroom window will get obscured glass on the bottom sash. Suffolk County tax map 1001-3-3-15. So would you come up to the podium and give us your name and address please?

Frank Murphy, first I want to apologize, I don't have my hearing aid, so I'm having some trouble hearing.

I'm pretty good at that, I'll be loud.

The windows that are in the house have become dangerous. I used to be able to maintain stuff in the house, but climbing up to the second floor on a ladder has become prohibitive. So things have begun to fall apart, so I think I needed new windows. I had one of them, the sash cord broke and it fell and the glass broke. It's just become dangerous.

Frank, you have an Anderson window, but what series? Do you know? Is it a... What series? The new windows. The proposed new windows.

I don't. It's renewal by Anderson. It has glass at the bottom and six light at the top. The replacement windows, all the work is from inside the house. It just take the old windows out, put the new ones in and reframe it. It shouldn't look any different than what they look like now.

Are we thinking that we're looking at the modified colonial, six over one? Is that what we're thinking?

Yeah, second row far right.

That's it, second row far right, six over one. Right, that's it. That's what you're proposing? Yes.

That's pretty much what was there. Okay.

Just for clarification, that's it.

Okay, anybody else? So Frank, one of the windows is a one over one that you showed us a picture of, but you're going to put a six over one.

Yes.

And in the bathroom where you're obscuring the glass at the bottom, the top will be six panes as well?

Correct.

Five windows will be six over ones.

One window is going to be an awning window because when the windows are open and it's raining, there's no protection. So the window that doesn't face the road is going to be an awning.

Does that mean a casement window?

No, just awning.

Oh, awning out.

It swings out so you can open it in the rain.

Oh, got it. And will that be six over?

No, it's going to be one.

It'll be a single pane.

One single pane.

Yeah.

So it's four six over ones. And bathroom would have an obscured bottom.

Right.

And then one awning window is your application. Is that-

Correct.

Do I have it? So we could write the COA in that way? Okay. Questions? Dennis?

No, that was it.

I was wondering the dimension of the awning window. What's the dimension of that window?

The awning window is... On the ground floor facing the house next door, it's about eight feet from the house next door. You can't see it from the road.

Right, but the dimension of the window.

It's the same dimension as the others, only it's one window.

Will you need to do any other work in replacing the window, patching, siding, or anything like that?

Anderson is going to take the old windows out, put the new ones in. They're going to resheathe the molding that goes around the window. It's going to be replaced.

Will that be wood?

It's some composite.

Most likely not, I would think, because that doesn't make sense at this point in a replacement, especially if Anderson's doing the work. then they're probably going to use Persitex or some other composite product. And I'd imagine that it's not going to change any siding, so they will take the window out, they will install the window, and replace the casing as is in regards to the size of the original windows. I mean, that's how they generally work.

I think they said they were going to cover the old wooden... framing on the outside. Yes, of course.

So... so to be clear because the application is light i want to clarify it just so we can get it understood and right you're going to have four six over one windows they're all the same size yes yes one of those four will have an obscured lower sash correct You will, they will be installed from the inside and you believe the casings around the windows will be covered by a composite material by Anderson?

Correct.

Okay. And then one awning window of the same size will be installed?

Yes.

Robert, I'm sorry, we didn't start with you as our norm. Oh no, that's okay.

they usually don't weigh in on okay okay okay very good sorry i didn't mean that lisa i have no further questions thank you okay mike i'd like to put some clarifying detail in the coa you're welcome to everything else everything's on the record so this this

This is going to be around forever, so.

Right, but I'd like to give detail to the building inspector when he does his site visit. He knows what we've approved. Sure. So I'd like to just state that we have four six over one windows. Right. One obscured lower sash. Right. One awning window of the same size. The dimensions? We are not clear on the dimensions, but they're all the same. Right. You don't know the dimensions, Frank.

I'm sorry.

You don't know the size of the window.

I don't.

Okay. Is this a renewal by Anderson situation? Yes. Okay. Then you can be pretty much guaranteed that they're going to put in the same size window and match the casing without changing any of the size. That's how they roll.

I just, because George is not, our building inspector is not going to be listening to the public record.

I want to be clear on what we're approving.

That's very good to be clear. Thank you.

Thank you. Thanks for coming. You'll get a certificate of appropriateness tomorrow afternoon. It should be the- Monday or Tuesday. Monday or Tuesday.

Frank?

Well, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the application of 13 Beach Road. 13 Beach Road, we have four 6-over-1 windows, one awning-style window to be installed by Anderson. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. Item number five, 151 Central Avenue, discussion and possible motion on the request to amend the certificate of appropriateness issued to Jake LaChaparral on behalf of Danny Sanchez. Applicant proposes replacing both sashes of six double hung windows in the front of the house to achieve the appearance of a two over two full divided light window suffolk county tax map number one zero zero one dash five dash two dash four jake my name is jake la chapelle i'm the architect of record um yeah that that covered it mr person uh are there any clarification schedule of windows as it's presented and as it is

needs to be amended that sounds fine um so as you described we're proposing to replace six windows on the house at the last meeting we discussed four or five maybe six we've gone with all six that are viewable from the street um If there's any lack of clarity which windows there are, they're shown in the floor plan A1007 that was submitted. But let me know if we need to clarify any of that. As far as the window schedule, which is A307, any questions there?

I want to just discuss the location of the 6 over 6. Yes. Because the schedule as shown on A, 10.07 shows the casement window being replaced. That's in the upstairs foyer. And that is not accurate. That will be a two over two. You're moving the casement window to the rear of the bedroom.

Yep. So we're talking about, we're looking at sheet 810.07 right now, correct? This is the floor plan of the second floor. I believe, Mr. Chairperson, you're talking about the... uh on the resubmitted plans that we're looking at uh it's a window type j and just adjacent to where it says bench that's essentially in the hallway maybe you're referring to that as as a fire is that yes am i getting this right that's correct okay yeah so that is correct that that's going to be a window type j these where we have a double hung window we're replacing we're proposing to replace both sashes to make that a two over two window um i believe um

A-1407 shows the six windows in a squiggly line.

Yep, that's the bubble.

That they proposed to replace, and the three across the front. That's right. And then essentially the three across the west side of the original structure.

Correct. That's correct. Now, there may be some confusion, as I discovered today, the builder put It's not point fingers. A window was put in, a casement window was put in on that side of the house. It should be at the, if you go back to the plan, there's that type K window there. That's where the casement goes. It's fully hidden from the street. It's on the backside of the bedroom two extension. So we have to switch two windows, unfortunately. So the plan is correct. The elevations are correct. The schedule is correct.

the windows as installed two of them are not correct but we'll fix that in all due time all right then shall we start with you no i'm i'm viewing it and i'm fully understanding what we're having this conversation about and you could yeah i'm good with it it's everything we covered in the last meeting and plus your your He's defining, and that's what we want a clarification in regards to.

To reiterate our conversation last time, we're putting in the Anderson full divided light as opposed to surface applied, just to put that on the record again.

Yes.

All right. Let's back up a moment. I seem confused today. Robert, would you begin us, please?

sure uh lorraine i'd like to thank you i don't know if everybody's seen this do you know when this is from yeah um so um that and they got the photograph when they bought the house but they janet and bob allen's sister doesn't know

Yeah, it probably predates that by quite a bit. Yeah, by quite a bit. Yeah, exactly.

And the one underneath it is, I mean, it's hard to tell.

Yeah, exactly.

Sorry, Lisa, I just have to email. No, it's okay.

So I don't think anybody here has seen it except for, oh, you have seen it. Okay. Dennis, have you seen it? No. Yeah, I'm just going to pass it around. There's not a very good reproduction of it. But as you asked me last time, what was this house like? And there's the porch. There are the shutters. There are the two over two windows. And you can see just how graceful all of this makes the house look. It's what the house was designed to look like. And I think it's an incredible house. So just for the record, this is what it used to look like.

Jake, have you seen this photograph?

Yeah, Lorraine shared it with me yesterday. I think, well, let's just also note the original house that has six over one.

On the bottom.

Flip, if you flip the page over. But you're speaking to... I'm not suggesting 601.

We're moving toward the original house. Yeah, I don't think 601 was original.

You know, you have to respect history and time moving on. You just can't bury yourself in regards to what happened. My house has changed. time over time in regards to the ceiling to floor windows were shutters at one time. They did their best to replicate something that showed a fat mold that really I might not have approved if I was in this meeting back in the 1860s. My role, though, is to tell you- Absolutely, I absolutely appreciate it. No, because that's what we're all about. And that's what we need to know. And history is history. And we have to, again, continuity has a lot to do with a pleasant view and bringing a house together, especially when a house is added on to and added on to, such as mine. I always have to refer to my own house because I live in it. But it... They do the best to drag details together and sometimes it makes a good point to differentiate a historical time and period in regards to the house. Thank you, Dennis.

Robert, did you have anything more that you wanted to say?

Not that I haven't said it. I'm not trying to press the button.

Thank you for asking that.

I did want to touch on

Two other points, because all we've talked about so far were the six windows. We haven't talked about the addition to the house, which we had requested some modification, relatively minor modification for. But I believe one of the, so the two things I wanted to talk about was the awning, which I believe you, in the prior meeting had indicated that that would help tie the new addition, at least color-wise, to the existing. And then the other thing I wanted to talk about were the shutters that are shown on here. So do we have samples for either The shutters or were they on it?

I can clarify. I thought the shutters were out of the picture.

Yeah. At the first, at the 2024 meeting, the original submission didn't speak to the shutters and the commission asked, what do you do with the shutters? We agreed that we'd not replace them. So we.

They are still on the plan. So that way, I just wanted to make sure.

John, the A14.07. Yeah. A14.

114 at the top comment new pvc exterior shutters the route oh i'm sorry i need to edit those notes okay the elevations are fully up to date you're saying in the scope notes at the top of that page that's my mistake the scope notes as well as the notes uh with the arrow pointing

to the windows.

I'm going to resubmit that page to you so you have a fully... And we should put that in the stipulation. It's been documented so many times in these meetings and in my letters that I feel it's just my mistake.

But because it showed up after this had been marked up, I wanted to make sure that there was a clear understanding because there has been some confusion. Okay, so we don't have to talk about that.

Shutters be gone.

So could we talk about the awning, which I think was discussed as something that would help tie the old section of the house to the new. And it's black and taupe fancies. Did anything change on that? And is the awning, does the awning project out or does it come down?

Fixed or retractable?

Yeah. Thank you.

The existing awning was fixed. I'm 90% sure. I'm almost sure. I'm getting heads shaking of the affirmative from our neighbors. The proposed replacement was a fixed awning, same proportion, same dimension from the side porch. And at the 2024 meeting, we had color samples and a sample of that fabric, so I could dredge those up and bring them back in. Hopefully not at another hearing.

I'm happy to drop you off at the office. I'm not pushing for that either. No, no. It has been renewed and as you know I was not on the commission at that time. But it would have for me been helpful to understand how that is supposed to help tie, since you're proposing no changes to the back of the house, does it obscure any of that, or does it really help tie it in? It seems to me, while we appreciate the fact that there is supposed to be some differentiation between a new addition versus the original house, this seems, fairly stark and not necessarily compatible. So I was hoping that somehow the audit might help soften that incompatibility. But I guess there's not much more you can say than what you've said on that.

Yeah, at the last discussion, it was Danny's assertion that that awning is really going to tie things together color-wise, and I think it also does something proportionally for that side of the house. It works for reasons that we can't put our finger on. Nothing more to say on it, though.

And your decision to not add any trim to the casement windows was based on what?

I would say we decided to put trim on those windows. We put the architectural lintel above them specifically to respect the detailing on the original house and to bring a piece across that was really critical to the rhythm of the existing house. In my opinion, the casement or the trim around the sides of the windows is less important to that, but the opinions vary. So we made an effort to do that. In fact, it was very intentional what we were doing there.

But maybe I'm using the wrong word. I used trim, but we had discussed.

Oh, if you're talking about the muntins, the dividing this in a two-by-two kind of scenario or something like that.

Well, we discussed muntins and muntins, and then we also discussed a casing. Right. Yeah. And you have you are proposing not to include that. So I wanted to understand what your rationale was there.

Yeah. So in proposing this round of changes that we're talking about today, this amendment is under consideration. We propose not to replace four windows at the front house at the original house, existing house, not five, but six, because that that brings the entire. That whole second floor of the front house. Sort of into a uniform. Solution here. Yeah, and I think it's the right solution. I mean. Yeah, I think it's the right solution. As for I think it's a lot. It's a lot more impact than changing casement at the casement windows. Changing the casement windows to put in muntins, a grill, or whatever you would like to call it to get a two over two is That's a very big sash. It's hardware. It's a big deal. So trim gets into siding. It's a lot of work. It's very invasive. We've got a waterproof skin to the building there. We've got our weather-resistive barrier. And to remove any trim, I've got to start cutting into it. And so we're just reluctant to take these things apart for not a lot of return in our assessment.

So it's a cost.

It's a cost, and it's also any time I start cutting into these things, the result is not as good as the first time around. So it's absolutely feasible. I'm not saying that you couldn't pull all this out and put in new. But we're reluctant to do so and think that replacing six windows up front is much more, I don't want to say bang for the buck, but it's much more impactful. How about that?

We didn't see it as one or the other. I know it's not. I understand what you're saying. Yeah.

Okay, I just have one further question on the awning. Is it a seasonal awning or is it going to be up?

The intention is to have it up year round. Year round. I haven't talked with Danny, the owner, about the prospect of pulling it down every fall to try and increase the longevity of it.

I want to repeat that point from last meeting, which is that mechanicals, you're planning for the back of the property. And you're also planning on a garden shed. That garden shed requires a separate approval. So you will be back, Jake.

The garden shed was submitted in 2024. Is it not explicit in the approval?

It was submitted in 2024. It was, yeah. Okay.

The heat pump, so I went over there today to try and figure out where to put the heat pump that requires us to cut down as few of some very nice little trees back there. So I think we have a good solution to move that back away from the house. I think that's all.

I'd like to put the condition of the awning into the COA because I do think it's a key element. I do thank you for the window sash agreement. I think it will be a very nice element for the historic home.

Thank you. And I'm glad we're doing the six windows as opposed to more piecemeal.

The right number on the existing. Should we also have in the stipulations that the six windows that there will not be shutters? Is that necessary or do you think we...

He said he would amend that page.

I'm going to amend page A14.07. It will become .08, and it will have none of those notes that refer to shutters. Thank you. Yeah.

Lisa. Yes. I also agree and appreciate the fact that you took the six window choice. I think that was the right choice. And, you know, the back part I still have a question about, but I understand the choices that you had to make. And I think I agree that when you start to try to trim up something that wasn't intended to trim, it doesn't always come out the way we would want it to anyway. Yeah, I think that I can agree with how things have been submitted.

Yeah, thank you for saying that. That's well put. I want to clarify on A14, actually, maybe it isn't showing up, but those notes are crossed out. It's just very light. I didn't even see it to start with, so I will update this and resubmit it in any case.

Okay, yeah.

It's just not printing. It barely shows up on my print.

All right, so we'll make a motion to approve the window change as on the schedule A14.07. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Jake. Sorry. Thank you.

Because you went to the public earlier.

Lorraine, I seem to be not having my agenda in rhythm tonight. Please, come.

Thank you. Chairperson. So I'm just, I know that this is moot at this point, but I'm just going to point out a couple of things. And they were part of the original submission. Lorraine Crailing, Central Avenue. Greenport, New York. One is that the original windows at the addition will be Anderson whatever series to complement the existing windows with similar clear width and frame thickness as the existing windows. That was in the original proposal. I have copies of it for you. And also, part of the original proposal was when the argument was being made to put the extension on that it's done all over Greenport. Absolutely true, and it's really generations of family. And two pictures were included in the original proposal, and they were of houses on our street who have added additions. And I have pictures of those too. This was from the 2024 December meeting. All of those additions are consistent with the front of the house. There's not this weird statement at the back. And as well as, I mean, I really do appreciate the beauty of what is being done and the effort being put in, but far as it being the most important thing we're looking at the thing that's on the back of the house when we come out of our house and it's right in our face so it i i understand that this isn't going to change but i'm making a point and this is joe henry's house and that's this recipient with And this is John Kramer's house, which he added on to. And it looks just like the windows are the same. This was part of the original. This is the thing about the window being double hung, not an encasement.

Lorraine.

147.

Oh, yeah. Well, I thought you were going to say something.

My assistant. Montreux, known as Lorraine's husband in these parts. No, I mean up for the sonographer. 157. 157. Yeah. 158. I'm sorry. 157 Central Avenue. My name's Ron Fried, spelled like fry. OK, great. So I just wanted to push back against the notion that having the addition be stylistically consistent with the old house is some sort of act of architectural Mistake or malpractice because. I looked at 147, which is quite beautiful house and the, we have 147 central and the back of that house. It looks exactly like the front of the house, but the back of that house was installed with the same fenestration pattern. And that was installed during the time when Lorraine and I have owned our house, so 20 or so years. And no one who looks at 147, it looks perfect. So I don't think it's an act of architectural malpractice to make them stylistically consistent.

I think that this is a difficult application and has been for a while. And there is a historic precedent for both points of view. And the owner is renovating in a way that he, in consultation with his architect, see the best renovation. And that's what it is.

Yeah, I do think one of our jobs here is to respect the neighbors and to make sure everybody is working together. But I do think there are two points of view about additions on historic houses, because there is a strong point to be made that you shouldn't make it look like the old house, that it should be distinguishable as long as the scale of it and the size of it is appropriate with the neighborhood. So I don't know that, we're not an aesthetic review board or an architectural review board. We're historic, so preserving and protecting the home is really, and I think we've managed to do that tonight. So that's just my comment.

Thank you. Yes, I agree with that.

I do just want to add one other point, which is part of the argument was that to make a change on the addition at this stage would is not ideal from a construction standpoint. However, I must point out that had the work been come before us in the first place, you wouldn't be in that position. And it could have been done differently in a way that would at least make one member of the commission happier, if not our historic advisor or other members of the commission it does put us in a very difficult position when the work has already been done and i i don't want to beat a dead horse on this point but it's for the record not solely for this applicant's edification but for people in general to understand that coming to us after the fact is not the way to get a happy resolution.

Jake, am I right that in the original 24 submission, it was double hung windows, but you did not have casings on the new edition windows? Right. So it was not... It didn't get caught by us, I guess what you would say, in the 24 application. Those casings were as presented. It's the nature of the window that was the violation, the casement versus the double-hung.

I believe that's correct.

They were proposed- I think that's accurate.

I'd have to double-check to be- I say that only as- Well, we looked at it. I'm sure you did. And I've tried to explain that as succinctly as I can in the explanations to you all.

And this is an Anderson 400 series going in on these six sash replacements? That's right, that's right. Okay, thank you.

We're ready to move on to make a motion. I would like to make a motion that we approve the application for the replacement of six double hung windows to be two over twos or be a replacement of 12 sashes. That we have a fixed awning in place on the house and i think we should also document that the mechanicals will be in the rear of the property those are big issues that have we've discussed over time here and i think at this point for everybody's satisfaction we'll put them in the coa Sure. And good. You can replace those windows, but you have to, the schedule is correct. Okay, so do I have a second on that motion?

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Sorry. Reluctantly. All right, schedule on abstain. Maybe, yeah. Okay, so we have three. Yes, votes, I vote yes. We have one abstention.

Okay?

Good. All right, item number six. Commission discussion on any other Historic Preservation Commission issues. So very quickly, I will tell you that John Robbins and I went to speak to the Sandy Beach Homeowners Association on Saturday of Labor Day weekend. We made a presentation, we discussed inclusion on the state and national registers, what that entails and what the benefits are. It was later unanimously approved to move forward with that. We hope to receive some supporting photographic evidence and information to support John Robbins in this work. The ordinance rewrite update committee has met. At this point in time, Francis and I as commission members have made suggested edits to chapter 76. John Robbins in his extensive background experience has also made edits to chapter 76. We will take those edits now and go to the greater committee which includes Mike, As our secretary, the building inspector and our village administrator Jenna Esposito on Wednesday. And hopefully we can get through the document and take all those edits and send them on to our consultant preservation studios. That is moving on. And then on our work for the expansion of the historic district, It appears to be on target. Again, Preservation Studios is the consultant on that project. And they are in the part of the project where they document Greenport's history to justify an expanded period of significance, which then will become part of the permanent record should we be able to achieve this goal. So I think that's all very exciting. And that's what we've been up to. Robert is working hard on re-glazing a window for the Village Administrator's Office that's coming along. It's good.

Once you put the glazing compound in, it takes a while for it to skim over. And then it can be painted and everything, and it looks fantastic.

Yeah, the beautiful wood that you showed us last month. All right, any other comments from the commission? I'd like to make a motion to adjourn. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Thank you, everybody.