Planning and Economic Development Committee - Regular Meeting

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Good evening, everyone. Call to order the City of Green Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday, 02/18/2026. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of The States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Roll call. Miss Anderson? Here. Mr. Birch?

Here.

Mr. Bishman? Here. Miss Chatzi is absent. Mr. Daniels? Here. Mr. Ms. Thrasher? Here. Also present are student representatives, Jeff Pickett and Chris Zayo and our counsel liaison, Jeff Noble.

Okay. Let's dive right into it. Our first business item is twenty six-four. Sierra Subaru, would a representative please come up?

Madam Chair, if I could for a minute, Sarah is a client of mine. I sold him this property, so I'm going have to recuse myself Okay. From

Thank you. Please state your name and address for the record and tell us about your project. Sure. And you can also use the microphone, the handheld, if you would like.

My name is Tom Yankovich. I'm with Ellet Sign Company at 3041 East Waterloo Road, Akron, Ohio 44312. Tonight, I'm representing Sierra Sierra Subaru. They have a new development, and they are located at 1089 Interstate Parkway. We're asking for your approval for one double face ground sign.

It's a densification ground sign. It's face of four foot, four inch high by seven foot, 10 inch wide. It's double faced. It's, fabricated of a heavy gauge aluminum. The faces are curved or radiused.

It's a brand standard of the Subaru dealership. It has routed copy, and it has also push through copy for the Subaru. And then the logo is also a bubble or vacuum form type face. When it illuminates at night, it only illuminates copy copy and logo only. And, again, it should not be too bright because of that application of the light.

The sign is located right at the entrance at the end of cul de sac there. It's a 10 foot setback, which is per the regulations. It has good visibility as you're coming down Interstate Parkway, And there seems to be no interference or, you know, any type of visibility obstruction. The landscape is approved for that development. It'll just have a mulch bed with taxis and day lilies in it as well.

So it should lend itself well or complement itself well with that development. So if you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer them at this time.

Okay. Thank you. Can we get a staff report?

Before I turn it over to Tom, just for clarity, the nighttime sign you showed, which had a pillar on it, this sign is only six'ten, I believe. Yes, it is. That nighttime one kind of has the pole raised. So I just I think you did that for to show it, but it's this is a six'ten height sign, not

It's six foot-ten overall height, and it is a ground sign. And you're right, I just was trying to show the illumination that night.

All

right. Thank you for that clarity.

Okay. Go ahead, Tom.

All right. So pretty straightforward. I think Tom covered that pretty comprehensively, though. Yes, six'ten, I will concur with that as a total height, which meets our standards. 30 square foot side face area, which also is within our code regulations.

Basically, their corporate colors, dark blue and silver and white color scheme there with the site address number down below there. The bottom part is actually a pole cover, which was like an aluminum silver cladding that would actually match the ACM panels that are on the building. So it kind of all kind of ties together there design wise and aesthetically. So setback is, it was mentioned 10 feet from the right of way, which meets our standards. That does pull it out in front of the cars that are parked there and the parking lots kind of just behind there alongside there.

So visibility should be okay. Landscape plan does match the typical for the site kind of blends in there. Plans were also shared with the developer of the business park back there and they were okay with the designs as submitted. They understand the existing dealership, their site will come down at some point obviously when they move out of that location in Arlington. Once again, pretty straightforward. We would recommend approval of that sign as submitted.

Okay. Any questions for members of the commission?

I have one quick question, Madam Chair. With the location, I expect I suspected that you would be putting signs on the side of the building that could be seen from 77, But there's no plans for that.

There are some wall signs that have been approved. And yes, there are wall signs.

Did we approve those?

No, those are approved administratively. As long as they meet criteria of the length of the building, So approved you are taking advantage of

The frontage of the interstate,

That's my only question. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Do we have any questions from members of the audience? Okay. Seeing none. Houseman?

Just want to make a note here that and really ask the question. So there is a Interstate Parkway commercial sign that exists today at the intersection of Arlington Road and Interstate Parkway, which leads down to this. I'm looking at Google Earth. I'm sure it's not up to date. But right now, that as Camping World, Penske, Comfort Inn, Lexus.

It does have Sarah Autopark on it as well. Solly's, but it's got it's got TGI Fridays on it as well. So or at least a dozen of the things. So I guess what I'm I'm asking you is Sarah Subaru, are are you guys going to be looking eventually to get updated onto this sign that sits at the Inn at Interstate Parkway? Or I guess I'm asking you to consider your if you guys want if Sarah wants to get put on that sign and what that process would be with Mr. Wethey to make

that happen.

Just to answer, I think Sarah agreed only because Sarah Auto Park, you're there. And who do they pick because you've got Honda down the street, you've got Acura further down the street. The only ones they do have on Arlington Road will be Mazda now and Chevy, or yes, Chevy GMC. But I think that's why they went with the Sara Autopark. Now could they take the TGIF Fridays? If I was the developer, I would leave that for the potential redevelopment of that Friday site, not Fridays, but that site.

Okay. And to answer your question, there's been really no talk of replacement phases for that sign. So at this point, I

Okay. Thank you.

Would someone like to make a motion?

I'll motion to approve the proposed identification sign for Sara Subaru.

I'll second that motion.

Can we have a vote? Ms. Thresher? Yes. Mr. Birch?

Yes.

Ms. Anderson? Yes. Mr. Daniels?

Yes.

Okay. Perfect. Thank so much.

Good luck with the rest of your project. Our next item on the agenda is 20 six-six, Arlington Ridge dedication plat. Could we please have a representative come up and talk about your project?

Hi, my name is Greg Monig with Wolpert 4454 Idea Center Boulevard, Dayton, Ohio. Basically here representing Chick fil A, who is developing within the Arlington Ridge and Arlington or in South Arlington Road, right there at the corner at the former chicken and chicken store. So we're basically the continuation from the previous meetings, basically, we're just here for the dedication on the right of way to do the roadway improvements on Arlington Ridge Road. So I don't really have anything to present. I think you've seen in the information in your packets, it's basically a six foot wide sliver of right of way dedication along Arlington Ridge Road or South Arlington.

Okay. Can we get a staff report?

Sure. So I'll read this for the records. The applicant submitted a dedication pledge requesting city acceptance of a small public right of way dedication associated with the Chick fil A project at Arlington Ridge. The dedication area is identified on the plat as 986.2 square feet or 0.023 acres. The dedication plat indicates the subject land is part of Lot 1 of the Arlington Ridge Marketplace subdivision and is owned by Arlington Ridge Marketplace LLC.

The plat references South Arlington Road, Arlington Ridge, Jarvis Road, and Moore Road rights away to show the location and context of the proposed dedication area. This dedication is intended to accommodate the widening of Arlington Ridge by six feet from its current 56 foot right of way width to construct dedicated right turn only lane to South Arlington Road to improve traffic flow. A copy of the plan showing the proposed improvement is attached for reference. So the staff finds that the dedication plat provides a clearly defined dedication area quantified as 986.2 square feet or 0.023 acres and includes standard survey and certification information required for recordation. The dedication will allow for the public improvements to proceed.

Staff, therefore, recommends a favorable recommendation by the Planning and Zoning Commission to city council for acceptance of the right of way dedication as shown on the dedication plan for the Chick fil A project at Arlington Ridge, subject to the city engineer finding the revised plan acceptable and completion of recordation requirements.

Thank you. Do we have any questions from members of the commission?

Just one comment, Madam Chair. In our recent drawing that came with this package, we have one right turn only lane, two left turn only lanes and one straight lane. I think we should at least consider making that straight lane a straight or right turn lane. I think it would be good for traffic. This body will remember that we had a lot of concern about this property and getting out of this property onto Arlington.

So what we're doing tonight with this dedication and recommendation of counsel is really going to help. But certainly, a right and or straight lane, I think, could be more accommodations for that property. Just a comment so our staff can consider that and talk with whoever needs to be talking to, I guess, the engineering team.

Mr. Birch, we will definitely take another look at the traffic study. And if it can be I agree with you, it probably should be two rights. That's going to be the majority. Two lefts is why they have the two lefts and the difficulty doing that. But the two rights with the straight and then one of the in the second lane over Seems to make sense, but let's take a look let us take a look at the traffic study and make sure that there's no obvious reason that they didn't put that in there. But I don't see why they could

We could look at that. My traffic engineer is not here tonight, but we'll definitely work with staff and talk through that and see if that's a viable option.

And that's an easy fix at the end of this project, not at the end, but once it's constructed, it's a matter of signage and striping.

How does this extra lane, if at all, affect across the street as you cross over Arlington into McDonald's and Taco Bell?

We're going to have to look at all that timing, and that was that timing of that light will all be brought into this as the lanes are developed to move traffic. So bringing in the traffic engineers and getting the right timing, whether it's a twenty second delay and allowing the traffic on the westbound traffic, if you will, out without any right now, it's probably a dual movement, and it might just be a single movement one way or the other.

I

have a question. We're still waiting for comments from engineering to be addressed? Yes. That will be kind of conditional on the Yes. Do we have any other questions from the Commission? Are there any questions from members of the audience? Seeing none, would someone like to make a motion?

I'll make a motion. I'll make a motion that we make a favorable recommendation to city council for the acceptance of this right of way dedication as shown in this dedication plan.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Can we get a vote? Mr. Birch?

Yes.

Mr. Bishman?

Yes.

Ms. Thrasher? Yes. Ms. Anderson? Yes. Mr. Daniels?

Yes.

Thank you. You, everybody.

Okay. Our, that concludes our business items or our new business items for today. Our next is an unfinished business item 25Dash41 SELU Commercial Development. Will we please have a representative come up and give a summary of the project, focusing on the updates from last time in our December 2025 meeting?

My name is Jim Persudo. I'm with Four Points Architectural Services. I'm the architect of record for this project. Our business is located at 2050 South Arlington Road, Suite 200, Akron, Ohio 44312. Because this project was tabled at a couple PLZ meetings ago, I thought I'd just do a brief recap of, kinda where we left off and bring attention to a few changes that we've made since that time.

Alright. So the existing property at 3929 South Main Street has

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couple existing structures on the corner of Magua And South Main, and the rest of it is undeveloped to this date. Alright. As far as the development plan, again, I'll try to keep it brief. But, the intent was to construct five, new storage buildings on the site, two of which are heated, as kind of the original phase one. Phase two would be the development and construction of office and retail space both at the corner of Magua And South Main as well as on the west side of the property.

Actually, since our last meeting, we've started developing designs specific to those phase two buildings. Although this submittal is in regards to phase one, the conditional use of the storage buildings themselves. A couple of the changes that have occurred, since our last meeting is we added some mounting to the north side of the property that's represented by this shaded area here as well as the detail here at the top of the sheet. So essentially, we're we're building a three to four foot high mound, facing those properties to the north, residential properties. The fence will be at the top of that hill.

So now we're, you know, nine to 10 feet above grade at that location. We're incorporating our landscaping on the north side of that fence into the design and then just lawn space from the fence back to the paved area in front of the storage buildings. Let's see. As part of, the changes, we also added a new sidewalk that comes from Magua sidewalk up, to the south, up the hill to the new retail buildings to provide better pedestrian access to the property. A lot of the engineering drawings remain pretty much the same as of the last meeting.

Just to recap, we've made most of the adjustments as far as utilities are concerned. There's an existing sanitary line that used through the property that'll be rerouted as part of the new work. Again, he's reflecting some of these changes that we I've already discussed as far as the new sidewalk, the mounding. These are just standard details. Also, again, just as a point to kinda refresh everyone with, we are doing all underground storm water retention on this site.

No open ponds. It's a fairly expensive system, but it gives us the most opportunity to develop the site. Again, on the grading plan, this area here represents the additional new mounding that we're showing facing the properties to the north. These were just planned showing that emergency vehicles can circulate through the property. Again, we made some minor revisions to the landscaping plan, both to accommodate the mounding, new fence location, as well as the sidewalk coming off of Magua.

So there have been a few updates, but again, it's, pretty much the same materials that we had originally intended on on using. And again, the the design of the buildings themselves, has not changed since our last discussion. It's primarily masonry construction. We're using three different colors and styles of masonry to break up the look of the building. Most of the doors do not face the adjacent properties.

They all face inward to the property. And we have a little bit of a differentiating material at the office area at the entry in into the storage unit development itself. And these are just continuations of those of that design through each building on the property. Again, the largest building, Building Number 5, the furthest to the east, is under 18 feet tall. All the doors are under 15 feet, which is one of the conditional requirements for storage units.

And this again was our preliminary design for phase two, the retail center, office center. Again, not much has changed on that. It reflects a lot of materials that we had going on with the storage units themselves. So that's a brief recap. Oh, one other item that we did update and change.

We went from 20 foot high light poles on-site to 15 foot. That did require us to add one additional light near the Magua entrance and one additional light here in the southwest corner of the property. But, again, we're trying to minimize the impact of the lights on neighboring properties. So that's kind of where we're at, and some of the adjustments that we've made to the design and plan.

Okay. Thank you. Do we have a staff report?

So as Jim outlined here, we do have a few enhancements to the project with the landscape buffering along the north side there, the sidewalk coming in from Magua and the lights have been reduced in height to the 15 foot level to try to be sensitive as far as the lighting migration goes. Rest of it's pretty much basically the same project with the same number of storage units. We're looking at this as a mixed use project, the storage units behind the retail and office space out front and a possible retail in the corner there at the corner of the two streets there. So with that, we've looked at this and I know folks are interested in this very closely. So at this point, there was one variance that was necessary for the setback of the vehicular use area on the north side there.

It's normally a 50 foot setback when you're adjacent to a residential zone and they've encroached into that a little bit there. So they try to mitigate that by having that buffering there, which is also required anyway, impactful, but the variance would be necessary there. We also would need final engineering approval of the project. So that's basically the overview. We've seen this before and recommend conditional approval based on the variance and the final engineering.

Okay. Are there any questions from members of the commission?

I have one. These changes were made based on the meeting that you had with the residents?

Yes, that's correct. There were a number of concerns about screening and, the light pole heights that we tried to accommodate some of those concerns and address them.

Yeah, think I do.

Sure. Steve Rechter. Business address is 3466 Manchester Road, Akron, Ohio 44319.

Mr. Rechter, how long have you owned this property?

I believe approximately eight years.

And this is, to my memory, at least the second project you brought before this board?

At least the second. There was a tenant in the old root beer stand there for the first couple of years we owned the property.

And you've looked at other options and this is what suits your investment right now?

Yes. So to give you a brief history on it, when we first bought the property and had the tenant there, we were close to possibly securing a winking lizard. We actually were pretty close to having that in there, and then COVID happened. There's been some changes, some reduction. We've met with different realtors on it.

We've approached a lot of national chains, franchises all the way to Dan O's was across the street. We even met with Dan O to see if he would possibly be interested in opening something there as well. It didn't work out. We have watched some of the other commercial areas struggle there and we just thought it best. If the area out back doesn't work out, it's a good mixed use to hedge our investment there and what we thought best fit that area with the traffic count that's there.

And we've really tried to explore all options. We've tried to listen and make changes best we can, but obviously we also want to survive there and put something nice in there too.

Traffic counts, what's driving the fact that a lot of the major companies, major restaurant types aren't interested there?

For example, I thought we had a good chance at Swenson's there, Portage Lakes. I think there's even a social media page supporting it. And they seem to have gone north towards Cuyahoga County, south towards Columbus. And, yeah, we're just not getting because that's the first question they typically ask. And I'm not gonna lie to them and tell them. And, you know they they typically we've tried grocery stores for example Mark's, Aldi's, things like that just to try to get somebody there and traffic kind of seems to be where it's just not a busy enough area close enough to a highway. So

Thank you for your answers. Steve,

as a commercial real estate broker myself, I can promise you, as you know, nobody wants to be there, right? It's tough to get someone down there.

The plaza next door is offering six months free rent with build out opportunity. And we've had a few of those tenants reach out because they'd been closer to the road at the front of our commercial place there, to be honest. So those are some of the things we're exploring just to what we can attract to get out there. So

As we run out of space on Massillon and Arlington Road, it's eventually gonna get there, but it's not there yet.

We haven't found it to be. No. And But we're excited to hope we spearhead that and turn that around and do that. I mean, we're willing to make it as nice as possible. If you look at some other properties, we try to do that. They've been blighted. We've turned them around. We're going to try to do it economically to do it all at once when we do it. And that's where we're at right now and hope we can move forward with both. The commercial side of things, do have a signed letter of intent for a coffee shop on the corner, pending cost and things like that. So I just wanted to share that, too. It would be great to get that there.

I guess my question is maybe a little bit directed towards the Planning Department. Can we get a summary of how the Neighborhood Meeting went in January?

I'll take a shot at that. It went very civil. I mean, it was well attended. Probably majority of the people in the audience tonight were there. There was probably 30 to 40 The mayor was there. Mr. Noble was there. It was pretty much a question and answer session. Mr. Rector was there.

Mr. Pizzuto was there. Just to be able to listen to some of those. And I think what they did, they responded to the questions or the concerns that they could other than we don't want anything there. They responded to things that they could, lighting, landscaping, more buffering to the three or four properties on Magua Drive that are basically closest to this.

And I mean, that's my analysis of what I heard. I'm sure those people think differently, but I thought it went very well. Mayor Juergen does like to have some neighborhood meetings and feels like sometimes you can talk those things out. So I've got to say that they did respond to everything, but nothing happening there. Can we respond to that now?

We'll open the floor for audience questions.

Sir, you're

on the We line, will open the floor and people can come up and express your concerns and you can relay your experience at the meeting. Do we have any other questions from members of the commission? Okay.

I think I'm going to let the audience speak first.

Okay. We will start opening up the floor for questions. We do have a three minute timer limit that I will be imposing. So one at a time, remember, please state your name and address for the record.

Hi. My name is Theresa Leiter, and I live at 66 Magwood Drive. I didn't go down to the wine bar to discuss anything. Actually, we're both sick. But I just I was okay with the this this. But now that I looked at the change, what they just changed it to when they built these mounds up, like he's saying six foot on Magua, that's gonna is that gonna cause water to go down into our property even more because our lot sits so low? So if instead of just putting the mounds, just put leave it like it was. I like when we discussed this back at the January. We didn't have a problem with it. Me and Matt were talking about this.

Just like the back of the building, the fence was going to start. Now it's running to the back of the building, the fence. So we lose more of that wooded area back there. So instead of running the fence back to the back of the big building that you're building back there, how come you can't just leave it towards the front of the building like it was?

Yes. Let me make sure. When it's looked at, there will be either stormwater basins put there if the mount stays. That was one of the things that we did hear from are you the duplex? Is that 66 or are you further up?

Yes. That's closer to South Lake. Further up. Further down towards the corner there of Gun Ridge.

Okay. Which actually, there's a lot of series of trees back there that maybe they don't need to go that far back quite honestly.

So go

ahead, Jim.

I just wanted to know if there's a reason why you are running that fence all the way back.

Sure. No problem. We were trying to accommodate the mounding as, you know, part of the request to provide additional screening. The mounding won't impact any water coming off of our property. In fact, it'll probably contain it more from getting to your property. This will be all permeable, you know, lawn or landscape material. So you're not gonna have any runoff coming off in that direction. So and then the fence got moved further back to accommodate the mounting and the landscaping.

So I did notice on the landscaping diagram behind this big building now behind the fence, there's no landscaping behind there's no bushes or nothing behind our property here. Yeah. Yeah. If you look at it, you can see because I was looking at that. See.

Right here?

Oh, I have it inside the fence.

Right. You have it inside the fence, but not outside of that metal fence. There's nothing here.

That's true. Yes.

Okay. But so but you do have to run that. The only reason I I see that you have this, you know, here, you just have bush like, some bushes here inside the fence on the corner. Tall evergreens.

Tall evergreens? Okay.

So it it would spring pretty effectively,

I think.

But we're we're open to adding a little bit more on the other side of the fence at that location as well.

I mean, can you so you can't just stop the mounting here and then just leave this open to the back of the building? I mean or no?

Well, I left that a little bit up to our civil engineer and

determine

and figure out all the grading that's required to Okay. Accommodate that. So I'm sure we have a little bit of flexibility there.

Okay.

And we may be even able to pull that fence back to that.

Yeah. If you just pulled it back to the inside corner, then leave this open. And another thing is I mean, and we're fine with that. But I have a family of seven deer that live back here. And I take care of them. And so, I mean, I'm sure they'll still have enough space back here. But it would be nice to just kind of get the fence moved over even a little bit more.

Okay. Yeah. The intent is to leave as much as many of those trees in place as we can.

Okay. That's all

I can say. Besides that, I'm you know, we're fine with it.

Thank you. Do we have another audience member who would like to come forward?

Hello again. I'm Lee Maynard. I live at 155 Magwood Drive. I've been there thirty four years, so we've been there a little bit. I have no doubt that he's probably a fine individual, but as far as he's treated our neighborhood, it's been horrible. And I say that because he was the vice president of the new Franklin Steering Committee that keep their city real nice, yet he does this to ours. And then he talked about conditional use. Well, nothing was said tonight about hours of operation. That was one of the big things at the meeting. He was gonna state what hours of operation this would be open because this was not gonna be a twenty four hour operation.

And the other concern we had was bringing the road out on the Magua Drive. You know, it's a quiet street. We're not Moore Road. You know, why did and you've talked. They want another come out on another side road to make it easier, but work something with Bueller's. Bring another one out on the Main Street. Don't bring it into my neighborhood. You know? Those are just some of the things. We don't want the traffic. You know? And that's about all. And the last I just had a quick question on something about a fence. Are you is it different for commercial that you can build them out and then put a fence on it than it is if you're a private citizen? Because I know there's been issues with people putting fences in their backyards and built mounds and then put the fence on it. Is that I'm just asking for my own information now.

There don't are height limitations residentially.

Okay.

And in the rear yard, it's is it six foot eight?

Six foot.

Six foot. Yes. And the mound actually, the mound was what I thought was a result of hearing some things the other night. I think the gentleman next to the duplex, Mr. Stake, I believe, is that the name?

He's right there.

He mentioned a little bit more landscaping. The mound doesn't have to happen.

I was just asking for my own information. I didn't realize

It could be the fence and the landscaping. So we actually prefer that because the lady that was up earlier, now the engineers have to get involved to make sure that there is no water blockage. But if you leave it where it naturally flows, sometimes you're better off. But we felt we heard a little bit more. Now if they're willing to put a few more trees

Yes. I guess

think they could do that as well. But

I guess my question just was, are you I does that count in the height? Does the mount count towards the height of the fence in commercial as well as it does in residential? No. No? Okay. That's that I was just that was just for my own personal information. So alright. Thank you.

I believe to Go ahead. Oh, to answer your question about the hours operation Yeah. The proposed hours are eight to eight.

Okay. Because it wasn't said when we were talking earlier, I didn't hear it. So thank you very

much. Is that I just want to make sure that's I think that's what we heard at the neighborhood meeting. That's what's in there. That's what you've agreed to.

Well, we're back again.

Started this project four Sir, could you please years

oh, I'm sorry. Rob Apprentice, 129 Gennard Drive. I started this project four years ago. I got wind of it from my neighbor across the street. Green at the time, still does. Doesn't feel that's necessary to send out notices to the people in the neighborhood, owing to the people that butts up to the project, which I don't think that's fair because we're all in at one. And even the surrounding people over the condos, they're going to butt up to the project. So I think we all should have been aware of this four years ago, but we weren't. So I look at myself, I was the messenger to get the message out to the people. I don't know Mr.

Rector. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy. I just don't care for his project. Most of the people that I come across, I and I and I walked the streets, knocked the doors, cold weather, snow, you name it, I did it. And I'm glad I did it because I was I got the word out to the people because the people said, Robert, if it wasn't for you, we would never known this was coming down and we would have been upset knowing that we didn't know what was going to be built in that corridor. And most of the people have said they don't want it. They just don't want it. It just doesn't fit in that corridor. It doesn't bring anything to this corridor. And matter of fact, I feel that it's going to bring crime.

And the reason why I say that is because there's a gentleman here tonight. And I don't know if he's gonna speak or not. But from the last meeting at the Naughty Vine, he took the time initiative to call the sheriff department, and he did his homework. And if you would see his packet, I think you guys have it because he dropped it off today to you guys, and I hope you do read it and take time because he did a wonderful job. One of mister Rector's friends stood up at the end of the meeting, not mentioning any names, that there's only been one break in.

Well, that's not true. This gentleman did his homework for the storage unit there on 619 In Cottage Grove Road and it's here in black and white. Just that storage unit alone that doesn't even count the other nine or 10 that we have in our city that there's been 11 break ins since 2022 to 2025 and we just started 2026. And what's so interesting about that storage unit, I have one there. I've been mine's been broken in also.

It's butts up right up to the sheriff's department. And and and it has barbed wire all the way around it. And and and and you have to have a a code to get in it. So my thing is, why would we want to bring something like this to our corridor knowing what it can bring? And I I would thought we would stop the crime other than bring the crime in.

So the only thing I can say, and I'll wrap it up, counsel do the right thing. Say no to this project. Put yourself in our shoes. And if you lived by this project, you wouldn't want it either in your backyard. So why should we have to be forced to have something like that in our backyard? Thank you for your time.

Robert, can I ask you a question? Robert, ask can you a question? What would you like to see there?

I knew you're going to I knew someone was going to ask me that. Know, sir, condos would be nice, nice condos. Like the condos you have over there by Don Pancho's, they would be nice in that corridor. It would fit the theme of the lake. And people like that take care of their properties. You know what I'm saying? But sure, in all fairness, it's not for me to say what I want. I want to thank my neighbors that came and supported me for the last four years. But it's not for me to decide. And I feel that it's in a hole that we should decide what we want in that corridor, not storage units.

And someone said I don't know if it was Mr. Rector or I think it was Mr. Rector said it tonight, that corridor is hard. I don't think it is. I mean, every business in that corridor is successful. If they weren't successful, they wouldn't be there.

I can promise you as broker, a it's hard to get retail guys into that street.

Very hard. Mean, got retail on our city too that's empty because people are working from their homes. We got a big one over there on Butler Road we can't fill.

Yes, that's a whole other story, but yes.

I know. I'm but saying like I say, I'm not against Mr. Rector at all. I have nothing I don't even know this man. I'm not against him. I just don't want his project. That's all. And I've been like that from day one, And most of the neighbors have been like that from day one. Once they heard storage units, they came unglued. They were like, you've got to be kidding.

And not only that, sir, if you go on akron.com or even your site, the official site of City Of Green community, what people have said. People have said, why don't we get a nice restaurant? We need nice restaurants in the City Of Green. Why storage units? Don't we have enough storage units? It's not me saying it. It's not probably them are going to say it. But it's what people have said on these sites that live in the surrounding area or coming in from another area. That's what they say. I mean, I'm not making this stuff up.

It's there in black and white. Go read it tonight. Go home and see it. One guy said a car wash. Everybody else?

I know you don't.

But I'm just saying, but most of the people have said nice restaurant, no storage projects.

Would love a nice restaurant there too, but we can't get anybody to go there.

What's that?

I said I would love a nice restaurant there, but we can't get anybody to go there.

I mean, you've got beautiful you've got some nice ones going down Masson Road. Why don't you bring in why doesn't he bring a honeymoon grill number two at our corridor? Probably be wonderful.

Probably, but not for sure.

I'm sure it would be. But that's what I'm saying. We need to step back as city officials and think this through. Because I just feel sometimes we just jump on everything on the first thing. We don't think it through and say, you know what, maybe they're right. Maybe they're right. We don't it doesn't fit in that corridor. That's all I'm saying. Don't settle, people. Just think it through. That's all I'm saying. And I'm just telling you what the people have said on the streets when I have knocked doors or people inviting me into their homes and saying, Robert, thank you. Thank you. And that to me is $1,000,000 to me. All I was was the messenger.

I never put down Mr. Rector, never said bad things about Mr. Rector. Only thing I said from day one, I just don't want story tunes in my backyard. And why should our property value go down? You win what's your property value? You invest in your house. You invest in the neighborhood. And then all of a sudden, you're blowing up with this. That's all I'm saying. But I appreciate. Thank you. But it's not for me to decide, sir. All right.

Good evening. My name is Terry Conley. I live at 192 Gunnar Drive. The reason I'm here is yesterday, I dropped off a packet of information. It was a bunch of documents including the police reports that were related to the bolt storage. I'm just wanting to know if you've received them.

We have.

That's all I wanted to know.

Thank you for confirming.

Thank you so much.

Sir, I I just have a comment for you. Yes. And this is personal. Don't put this on anybody else at this podium but me. When I get something that's not signed and I don't know who it came from, I won't read it. I I won't read it. If you want us to read it, now I know who it is, But if you want us to read it, you need to sign that.

That's why I'm that's why I'm up here.

Yeah. Well That's

why I'm up here.

If it had been signed very

good point.

If it had been signed before tonight's meeting, I would have looked at it. But when I asked and I couldn't find anybody who had signed it, I set it aside. I still do have it.

Thank you.

But please sign it the next time. You have every right to to put those comments down, but I need to know who did it.

Okay. Like I said, that's why I'm up here so everybody can identify who I am and Thank you. Thank you very much.

Do we have any other members of the audience who would like to come up and speak?

Can you

please use a microphone? Thank you.

Ron Stake, fifty six Magua. Again, we're the ones that are most impacted by this. I was the one that asked Mr. Rector if he could do some mounting. Doesn't have to be if you just want to do more screening with trees. I certainly don't want to add more cost to you. I personally think it's a good fit for the area. I know I'm probably the only one in here, but it's in our backyard. I think it's low impact. I look at it.

I don't want to see I want to see the least amount of people I need to in my backyard. And I think this is a good fit for it despite other people. Yes, we have a lot of storage units in Green. We also have a lot of restaurants, other businesses, roundabouts. I'm sure you did a feasibility study. I'm sure you can fill them up. You know, we got the retail upfront. You know, for us in our backyards, how many people visit these things on a daily basis. Think it's a good fit. Again, the mounting is literally up to you. We're just looking for as

much screening as we can get in our backyards. So thank you. Thank you. I have a quick question. The ramp is still closed, right? That's up a quarter mile? Okay. Thank you. Just wanted to make sure I was thinking about that correctly. Do we have any other members of the audience who would like to speak?

Name is Dana Worley, and I live at 02:12 Gunnar Drive. I've lived in this neighborhood thirty years this year, and I'm up here not so much to ask a question, but because I came to this meeting, I wouldn't feel right with at least not sharing that having lived in this neighborhood so long and enjoying walking around this neighborhood, I do agree that there's a lot of potential for increased traffic. We recently have seen more and more younger families coming into this neighborhood with kids riding their bikes. My husband and I take walks almost every night. We talk about how much we love this neighborhood.

We love this neighborhood. And while I understand that business and there's got to be progress, it is a shame that just because we have this empty space that we have to develop it. And it's true. I see deer run up and down our street, which to me is a hazard too if you're driving up and down that street. Why? Because there's less and less space for them to be. But at the end of the day, I know that we have business. We've to have progress. I don't know how, with so much competition, a storage unit does make sense to generate revenue for this person. I do understand he owns the property, and he wants to develop it.

I would rather look I'm sorry for the fellow that lives right next door to it but at what's there now than the amount of increased traffic and all of the other things, the variables that my neighbor shared here. It feels a little like a lazy thing. When you're around Green, you see a lot of empty office spaces. A lot. And so now we're going to put more office spaces on South Main, which we all agreed. I drive up and down South Main every day. I see so many businesses that have turned around. Right now we have Barica Coffee. I hope they make it. How many businesses have been just in that place alone?

And it does sound lovely to say, put a restaurant there. I mean, I would like to see that. Someone said, what would you like to see? I'd like it to be green space. Can we make walking paths on it? I don't know. It doesn't sound like anything that's going to generate revenue, but ways that if we have to develop it, how can we develop it in a way that it's going to be more beneficial for the people that have called that place a home for a very long time. And I just kind of wanted to speak my mind, because I came up here tonight. And I do thank everyone for their time.

Thank you. Do we have any other members of the audience?

Des Wertheimer, 130 East Turkey Put. I guess I'll start with the question of what would be there. There are three retail zones in Greene. Mousson Road, Arlington, and this area. These are the three retail zones in our community. They're putting a Dunkin' Donuts on a postage stamp on Arlington Road. Arlington Road and Masson Road are pretty much spaced out. I mean, there may be something here or there, but that's it. If we have a retail zone, we'd love to see it say some type of retail. Why can't it be an off a professional office building?

Why can't we have a a doctor's office, an accounting office, a financial advisor office, a commercial real estate office in there? Anything that drives traffic to the plaza. Yeah. The strip struggles. The ramp is for sale. The whole thing is for sale for 26,000,000 if you hadn't heard. You probably know your commercial realtor including the trailer park, the marina, the ramp, and all the way around to the first house over there. Good luck with that. But we'd like to see anything but storage units. Again, three within a mile, five within two miles, 10 within five miles.

They did the crime study at the corner of Cottage Grove in 06/19. We didn't even bother to look at the crime study of these storage units on the other side of the sheriff's office with no gate and no fencing. The meeting at the Knotty Vine. 15 residents from the condos, 15 to 20 residents from Wapatec Village, eight or 10 residents that were friends or people from New Franklin. The mayor came and basically, in my opinion, borderline intimidated all of us for twenty minutes that if we don't give in and do something, we're gonna get sued, which I felt was unright and unjust and inappropriate, but that's my opinion.

I just storage units just makes no sense to me. I've talked to the plaza owner, talked to Buellers, I've talked to all the businesses in the plaza, I've talked to all the a number of the businesses along the street. Nobody supports this. I have been involved in zoning and planning issues and issues before city council for more than twenty years. I led the charge against the casino. I've never seen opposition against any one project more than I've seen oppositions against this one, period. I understand commercial. I understand somebody feels something needs to go in there. I understand he's made an investment and wants to put something in there. I still have absolute belief that phase two is I don't even think phase two should be allowed to be considered if it's not built within twenty four months.

I learned a lot about things before planning and zoning and notification and how those things I don't like how the city does them and we're going to change them. Commission Charter Commission is going on this year, but I don't trust them either. So we're going be taking our own signatures, our own petitions, and people are definitely not going to like what we're going to be getting signatures on. Trust me on that one. But a professional building, I understand the restaurants they applied for, and I'll be done just a second here. I don't believe any of the businesses they approached would have built anywhere in green. But that's just me. But I think it's a terrible project and win or lose, we'll lose tonight. We'll see you at Zoning Board of Appeals.

Thank you.

Thank you for your time. Do we have any other members of the audience who would like to speak? Oh, okay. You, you, and then the lady in red. So you for oh, she's already okay.

I almost feel like I know all of you because I've been here for four years too. Thank you for letting me speak. My name is Jean Prentice. I live at 129 Gunnar Drive. All our residents have I'll make it short. I promise. I know you're maybe either bored or wanna get home. All our residents have spoken. Maybe this is an analogy I can use the way I feel. I I I admire you, mister Rector. You've done a lot of work, and it's not him. I don't want him to take it personally. Let's say a lady goes into a store. Oh, that dress is on the hanger. Do you know how many times I've done that?

The dress has a collar. It has buttons. It has a belt. Guess what? Jean buys it. And guess what? You bring it home, man, you try it on, you look in the mirror, it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit. That is what the residents that live in Wampatec are trying to say. It's not him. It's not anything. The project just does not fit the corner. You know what I did the other night? We were driving by and it was in the winter. You know who was lined up and had cars in in in their business?

Handles. Now who would think that somebody would go out on a snowy night to go get ice cream? I'm not saying that's even an opportunity. I even heard that Rockneys don't quote me, but this is what I heard, that Rockneys approached the ramp. They would like a location there, but I heard that Zena is not selling. So I'm just asking, I know you you're you people have, you know, our neighborhood in your hands, and I just hope you consider some of the comments we made tonight. And I thank you. I really thank you for tonight.

Thank you. Alright. You're next. And then you. Go.

Hi. My name is Laura Smiley. Smiley. I own 195. I also own 205 Gennard Drive. I love the neighborhood. I've invested in it twice. It is my diversified income. I look at it as my retirement. It is where I put my hard earned money. It's where my taxes are paid. This is a community that I've graduated from high school here. I went to college in the area. I've worked at local businesses. Green is what I believe in, and I've seen the changes over the last almost fifty years that I've been here, and they've been tremendous.

I do agree that Arlington is clogged up and so is Masson Road. Maybe eventually that will make it down to South Main Street. I guess my question is, how do storage units help that transition? What do storage units do to draw other businesses to that South Main Corridor so that the revenue may raise in that area. I understand storage units.

I actually did my thesis in urban development specifically on storage units. So I understand the return on the investment. But I do think it would be wise to look at the 10 storage units within the four mile radius and then the seven or eight that are run illegally as storage units. And maybe it's worth doing some research to see how full they are because they're not. And I'm just again, absolutely nothing personal against the developer.

You know, I've known each other for thirty years. But this isn't what I want in my backyard. I would not buy those properties again if they were already built in the backyard. Do I have an answer as to what goes there? No.

But I feel like it should be a stepping stone for what we want South Main to look like. And I think the city of Green has demonstrated that they don't want it to look like storage units because you don't want those on South Main Street. They're going to be buried back close to the neighborhood. So moving forward, my suggestion would be to look at that property and potentially see what it could become or be in fifteen years, not just what it will be in the next year. There's no guarantee that the current builder is going to keep that property and that he will be running it in a year.

Those hours could be drastically different in a year. How the property is maintained could be different because it would be under different ownership. I really respect the changes that were made talking about the mounds and the lighting. I think that's very thoughtful. I do wish that some other members of the board had been at the winery for that conversation because I do agree that there are parts of the conversation that were left out of place and Mark mentioned tonight.

I'd like to reiterate my concern about the entrance on Magua. I think there's plenty of space on South Main Street to rethink that and keep it out of the neighborhood if this development does move forward. That would have been the change that I would have been most excited to see come out of the winery conversation. I don't know. I don't know. That's just kind of my thought. I believe in the city of Green. I've reinvested in the city of Green. I wouldn't buy those properties again, and I have concern when my resale comes up on that. So thank you for your time, and thank you to the developer also.

Thank you for your time. I'm going to let her go first since she's been waiting for a while. And then yes.

Hello. My name is Britney Lawson. I live on 3674 Chicolamy Street. I wanted to share a personal story that I have with storage units, not for pity, not for empathy. During my time during undergrad, I was president and treasurer of a brand new sorority on campus. We did not have a house yet. We have a bunch of stuff. Sorority women have a lot of stuff that we need for events, activities, etcetera. And there was no campus storage that we were able to use. So we had to branch out and use a storage facility.

While using that storage facility, many of times we had to go in groups of three, four, five, six women because every time we went into that storage facility, there were people trying to kidnap women, trying to take anybody, trying to solicit you. Again, nothing against storage units, but you cannot change the ill intentions of people. You don't know anything about these tenants. That's how storage units are run. There's no security.

There's no monitoring. If you sign a contract, here's your code, do what you please as long as you stay within your limits. So from a personal standpoint, I've witnessed this from 19 to 22 years old. Like one of my fellow neighbors said, there's a lot of younger people in the neighborhood, see a lot of strollers, see a lot of younger people walking their dogs, doing their thing. They're not going to walk past the storage unit because they're not going to feel safe walking past it. That's really all I have to say, just to put into perspective that the reality of the world is that you can't change the intentions of people that you don't know behind it.

Thank you for your time.

Just had

Can you restate your name? I know you're already up here, but just so we have it.

Teresa Leiter from 66 Magwood Drive. Is there still a driveway coming in from South Main into this facility, the storage to date? There is just one driveway in? Is there any way to just get one driveway out and then not direct anything onto Magua? Is there a way to do that?

There's a way, but it's not preferred from a planning standpoint. Simply the idea of being able to have an alternate way in. I don't believe I'm hearing a lot of concerns about traffic, but I'm also hearing concerns that we would like to have a restaurant there. And I would almost guarantee you that a storage unit under ODOT's travel conditions is going to say that a storage unit generates less traffic than a restaurant. And I think you would almost have more traffic coming down there if you had what I'm hearing restaurants and other items there.

This is probably the most benign use on the back part of that property that you could ask for, with least impact from a traffic standpoint. This driveway is proposed to come out, I think, directly across from the bowling alleys, and that makes what we look at for intersections so that they function properly. Could you do it without it? You could. Is it suggested in any planning manual?

Most likely not. We struggle with a lot of developments with one point of access, which is not good. As you move, I believe the grade gets a little steeper, which makes it much more tougher to put another drive on Main Street. So, this makes sense. I don't believe it's going to add traffic to Magua. I think it's more of a benefit allowing that neighborhood access to the commercial entities. I think we're missing that as well. There are there's still over 10,000 square feet of commercial space being proposed. It's not just a storage unit facility. It's mixed.

And what I heard tonight is you may be able to get one of those small restaurants into 3,000 square feet of one of those commercial facilities upfront. The commercial facilities are not going to go in the back properties. That's my opinion. You can see it most likely. Those are the ones that you cannot generate traffic. You can't put a sign out front no matter what to get people to come in and go to the back of that and utilize that as a commercial. So I believe that you need that access point on Magua. That's from a pure planning standpoint.

Just a follow-up for that drive off of Magua. We did look at a couple options of bringing in a second drive in the center of the property off of South Main, but the grade was so steep that it really wouldn't work with any kind of development anywhere near the front of that, property. So, that's what we came back to. It works from a grading stand standpoint. It gets us further away from the intersection, which I think are both benefits.

And again, your traffic count's pretty low with the storage units. As far as security is concerned, it is a gated, access, card reader or push button, card, access to this space. It will be monitored, during operation hours by a person on-site, and it will be monitored twenty four hours a day with cameras. So, we're trying to address some of those concerns as well.

Sorry, sir. She had a question first. She was next.

My name is Jennifer Leslie. I live at 3858 Togajute. I live in my grandparents' house. They built the house in the sixties. It's been in my neighborhood my whole life. I've seen all the changes already. You can hear the car wash. There's traffic or street lights now. So it's not as the way it was back in the day. I understand things change. One of my questions is the fence in the back. Because I'm on Taga's Ute, so this is in the back corner of my property. I've never received anything. So I don't know, is there a fence that is along the back of the property as well? Are there going to be any trees and anything?

I think you're going to see that right here. No trees

I've never received anything other than just the notice for the So that's why I

was asking.

Will explain that to you right now.

Yeah. We're we I'm right

over here. Don't know what Right in here.

We're keeping all the trees up until the point where

And how tall is this?

That is 17 feet tall. Down about

I'm gonna see the roof from my backyard.

You're gonna see the roof.

It's about 17 feet tall, but it's about 20 feet below grade of your

that will grow high enough to block that in the back?

Really, I we're anticipating that the existing trees that we're keeping would provide that screen.

Is there a fence on the back? No. Why not? How can you have it how can you have it fenced

and secured? Returns to the corners of the building.

Okay. But it's you've mentioned that it was completely fenced in, secured?

Yeah. There's solid walls along the back and sides of this last building. Okay. So there's no place to break in. Masonry.

And how tall are those?

Those are let me double check.

They're not gonna be as tall as the building though. Right?

They're they're fairly tall. They're 16 foot tall walls and up to the peak of that roof is 17 foot nine.

How tall is the fence, I think, is what she's asking.

Well, he said there is no fence on the back.

Well, it comes right against the building. Right.

It's a six foot high fence.

Six foot high fence. You can't get.

And then there's a masonry wall as well, is what you're saying?

Along the backside, this is essentially what you'll be seeing

Okay.

By about 20 feet down below your property. Okay.

But there's no access to the backside of the building? Correct.

There's no access at all.

No, I understand that. Okay. Yeah. No, that's I mean, I don't have it as bad as the other people on Gunner or Magua. Yeah. I can't say that I wanted a restaurant there either. When I found out all the places that he tried to get, I was horrified. I can't tell you what I want there. I just don't understand storage units. I wish we had a better option. But it just seems like I'm losing less and less of my childhood to this neighborhood. And it's kind of sad. So that was all. Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Robert Prentice at 129. Know, Mr. Weethy, can I ask you a question? I don't understand why you're so adamant that this project come in our corridor. When you've heard the people tonight and you've been here since day one, year one, and you've heard the same thing that nobody wants it.

And that what puzzles me too, and I'm not here to pick on anybody, but in the South Side leader, you were quoted saying that project could start as early as this spring. So my question is to you, do you know something that we don't know? And over here is just a vent and not be heard seriously because we are serious about this project.

Let me answer that Mr. Prentiss. If it's approved, it could start. The question to me and may not have been completely captured by Mr. Poston was simply that if it's approved, it could start as early as this spring, okay?

I just I can't

If read it it's not approved, it's it won't

you know something that we Could

I finish? May I finish? Sure. You asked me a question. I'd just like to finish. If it's not approved, it won't start this spring. That's as simple I as it

just kind of read it that way. So

don't make some accusations, which you just did. I knew something that you didn't know. I'm telling you Please.

Please, sir. I just said, you seem like you're adamant for this project to be put in this corridor for some

Let explain why I'm saying that. And I said this at the Naughty Vine as well, okay? There's uses out there, right? This is owned business, okay? Just like and it was originally proposed to be part of that plaza. You know that because you've lived there all your life, right? Right. So you know that.

Right inside doing it way back in the day.

Right. And and the sanitary sewer was actually designed to go to the north end of that, back out, because it was proposed to be an extension of South Main Plaza, right?

I don't remember that, but okay.

That's how it was designed, okay? I'm just telling you. So when you have something, a piece of land that goes close to 800 feet deep, okay, the value is in the commercial property out along Main Street. What the value is, is along Main Street. Mr. Bridenstine also hogged this site out, which gave it about a 30 foot differential between Gennar and I'm going to butcher the name tag as you.

Also Mr. Bridenstine did too. Those lots back there from Paris La Salle and all the way around, those lots were pie shaped. They weren't straight across and straight this way. They were all pie shaped. He got back there and made it all square. Okay. But they were so so what I'm saying is maybe what we're talking about now, it would have been different because all those lots back in the day were pie shapes.

Okay. I'm not I don't know what they were back in the day. What I'm trying to tell you is Mr. Brian Stein Okay. Can finish? He dug it out. He leveled it out for South Main Center, right, or whatever he was proposing to do. There's people saying they were here. You know that was before the city of Green, I believe. It was before it was during the township, and something was going to happen there.

Well, why am I indicating that I'm telling you this is a mixed use development, that they're proposing storage units on the back part of this property, which makes sense because those don't have the value, the back of that, that's 600 feet back, does not have the value that it does on Main Street, okay? That's a given, all right? I mentioned to you the highest and best use of this, in my opinion, doing this for as long as I have, is probably a five storey apartment building that takes advantage of that whole area. But I also heard at neighborhood meeting, no, we don't want that. Okay?

I didn't hear that from I did. But if you do, did.

Was a lady that actually brought it up to me and wanted more information. Anyway, my point of it is, is that's the best way to use this. We're not advocating that. I'm trying to tell you that utilizing the back part of this for a very benign use as storage units is a lot better. What he's trying to do or what this plan is, is to come out with some commercial use along Main Street, trying to provide something that the neighborhood could actually use, a coffee shop on the corner, okay? That

would be fantastic. Better than storage units.

Okay. But you're stuck on storage units, which you're not even to see. You're not even going to see the storage

I'm not stuck on storage units. Everybody in here is stuck on storage Okay.

Not adamant. Here's the deal, just so you know. We believe this is a use of that property. They brought the use to us. Okay? We didn't bring it to them.

I understand you.

Okay? This Board is now the decision, okay, on where it goes.

I understand.

We're just trying to explain to everybody why this use makes some sense, okay? Because you don't have a value at the rear. The value is in the front. They're utilizing the front to try to maximize it. I'll leave it at that because I don't want to I sit here on

just feel bad. I know the one gentleman before on the in when we came up here before the January 18, he just felt that we're getting shoved. We're getting this shoved in our face in our corridor. And a lot and I just feel the same way too. I mean, I think we've said it, we proved it, what they bring to it. Mean, the Where gentleman

were you when Mr. Genovese kept building?

But why do you guys feel that storage units here and it's a problem and only one and one storage units brought in 11 break ins. Why do you want more? Why should we have to be the brunt of that?

I'm going to just for clarity, I counted the number of what was theft and larceny in this packet and there was seven of them.

Why would you turn it back here and say that?

Okay. But there's one that was a trespass. There was Okay. Well, what I just heard was there was 11 break ins. There was seven. I appreciate your honesty back there.

And then you have this lady that has invested into our neighborhood, and she doesn't want it. I mean, I just feel that this is just being shoved in our face. There is a better thing that can come in that corridor other than this. And I just feel that

But yet you've yet to propose it. But yet you've yet to propose it.

Thank you for your time. I'm going to pause for audience and ask the commission members if they have any questions, and we will open the floor back up if there are any other respondents.

Madam Chair, I guess I have a comment, and couple of comments. First of all, to the residents that are here, thank you very much. We take it seriously that you're here. It's rare. Most items come before us like the two that you saw previous to this comment, or to this set of circumstance tonight, and it's wham bam out the door.

So we really do appreciate it when you take an interest and you take ownership in your neighborhood. And I can tell you of some people make comments about this, no one's ever had this. This pales in comparison to some of the Donnie Brooks that I've personally lived through while being on this planning commission, including having to move our meeting to the old Kleckner Building, and being on a stage, and swearing we were going get thrown at over a project, and being at the middle school where people were up on the 2nd Floor looking down on us and screaming at us. I'll tell you, this has been a real civil response from you folks, and I really do appreciate it. And I do understand.

I think a lot of what I'm hearing though, and this isn't going to be polite, so please hold on to your chair. I think what we're all suffering from, and I use the word we, is the disease I call not in my backyard. We all suffer from it. I've been through it, and I can tell you I completely understand that you do you don't want this. The only way I know you can prevent that is to buy the land and to maintain it.

And that's probably not a reasonable request, but someone owns this land, someone has the right to propose to us, and we don't take favor to any projects that come here. I mean, we couldn't agree on the Chick fil A. We had a disagreement on the Chick fil A. And it passed, but it didn't. It wasn't a unanimous decision.

There are so many projects here that aren't unanimous, but we do our best. And we come here and and I take it seriously, and I know all of my colleagues up here take this very seriously. This group, I've heard some people attack tonight, and I really take exception to it. I I really take exception to it. I heard our mayor attacked.

I heard our planning director attacked. And I heard our council people attacked. And that's that's not right, folks. It's not right. These people worked their tails off for you, and we have we should revel in the fact that we have such great professionals running our city and taking care of our council and taking care of our administrative offices.

And this man's been here for since 1991, 1992, and I can tell you he's good at what he does. Mister Dottaro's been here almost that same length of time. He's really good at what he will Eddie does. And I really that's the one thing tonight that I'm really offended by. This is not any rinky dink city. We have one of the greatest cities in in the state, and we have it because of all the dedicated people who've worked their tail off here. So I'll get off my soapbox, But I appreciate it, but if you want to make sure you control what happens there, see Mr. Rector about buying the property.

I am going to allow for other members of the commission to either ask questions or pose their thoughts based on what we've heard so far, and then I will open them back up. So hold on to your questions, please.

I'm good.

I have nothing. Well, that was a lot faster than I thought it would be. So, yes. But I will need you to come back up and state your name again, please.

My name is Theresa Leidern. I live at 66 Magwood Drive. So what about the city of Green purchasing this land and turning it into a park? Would that be an option?

I'm gonna defer that to the councilman in the room.

I mean, that that's an you know, that's thought. Like, have one. Isn't there one down on Maslin Road down here?

Yeah. But we also have two parks in our neighborhood there.

You have Knapp Recreation, which is ran by the state on Cottage Grove. You also have East Liberty off of 619 that's in your neighborhood. You also have State Parkland just to the west of you that's Portage Lakes and the Mississauga Reservoir.

So the city of Greene would not be interested in purchasing the property for a parker? No? Maybe? Tim? He's not sure.

We're actually me me me since I've been here since the dawn of grain, I guess, I will tell you, we've actually been are being offered free land today. And I'm not asking Mr. Recher to offer it free. We're concerned with taking it because of maintenance issues, okay? You still got to maintain something.

We also proposed a park at Wonder Lake because it's we own some of the area where the Wonder Lake Dam was. And we were looking at doing something there, and we were trying to get a grant for something, just a walking trail, if you're familiar with Wonder Lake. So it's not that that neighborhood or that Northwest quadrant does not have any of this. It's just that we're really we've got gentlemen offering us land already with trails cut through it, scenic, and we're sitting there debating on whether it should be accepted or not because of maintenance purposes, which would be very minimal at this point. So I appreciate it, but we And just can't buy it we were also donated land further south on Main Street that we now probably have to do some type of development, too.

Thank

you for your time. I

might as well go. All right. So, The city has a zoning code, okay. I know it well, I use it all the time. And it is not perfect.

It never has been perfect. But it is there and the rules that we established in our land development code are there to protect you, but also to protect property owners, give certainty to property owners for what they can and cannot do on their par parcel. So as much as the as much as we have a code that is set that that that has rules to protect the residents, we also have a code that creates certainty for commercial property owners so that they know what they can do on their property. Okay? So the Planning and Zoning Commission has heard this when I railed against the Dollar General stores on 619 in Mayfair.

Okay? So it works both ways. Okay? It it it serves both parties. It serves you against your neighbor.

You you know? It doesn't have to be commercial against residential. It it can be residential as residential. These are these are how the codes are written and that and they're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. I will say that the calls that I get, okay, from your neighborhood, okay, are about conditions of people's properties, what they have on their property, okay, The storage of boats and RVs on their property, or junk cars on their property, or trailers on their property, things of that nature.

So it's really, really clear that the people take pride in that development. And I think I think a lot of you know, I live across the street. So I I I live across South Main Street. I jog the property on a regular basis or the neighborhood on a regular basis. And sometimes I'll stop and talk to people. They're beautiful ranches, right, that people take. So so I say that by saying the storage unit dilemma is a very tough dilemma. Okay? Because this city, we have made ordinances and laws to not allow people to put their stuff on their property. Right?

So we've we've come out and said, you can't store your boat in the front in your front front of your property. And and I get calls. And then the calls are, you're not working fast enough to get this guy's junk off of his property. And we try to we try to get the stuff. Right? We try to fall within the fall within the the being considerate of the property owners, but also understand the code. Okay? And why do I say that? I say that because storage units bring no value to the city. Okay?

They don't. You said it. I think what you said was it was appropriate. They they bring no value to the city from a tax base or whatever. It doesn't they don't create jobs for us that creates income tax. But on the other side of the coin, we have codes that require people to store stuff in storage units because they can't store it on their property. Right? We've we've we have boat storage issues throughout the city that many of us deal with, and we're we're trying to create a place for people to put those things. So this is like, this is the dilemma of creating a beautiful neighborhood that's well kept,

dealing with

codes of adjacent properties and everything, and trying to make sure people have a place to store their stuff. So you understand we have to work through all this and this group has to work through this. Now the piece of property in question is Zone B1. B 1 is by far the most flexible, the most open of all of the the zoning classifications that we have. Okay? So you can do nearly anything in B 1. And I say that there's a list. That list is comprehensive, and there's p's. P stands for permitted. Right?

If somebody wanted to take this parcel and build a car lot on it with big lights and fill it up with cars, it is permitted for them to do such a thing. If they wanted to build a hotel, it is actually permitted for them to do that. So this list that we have, we manage, and this group manages via permitted or conditional. Now it just so happens that storage units fall under conditional. Okay?

We've put a restriction on it. And the reason we're here today is because of that conditional. If that conditional wasn't in there and it was just permitted, if they were meeting the terms of our development code, there would be nothing the city could do to stop them from doing it. They're like, we are developing within our code. But this, we have made a determination to put it conditional.

So that conditional gives the city more control. It gives us more control over what we can ask of the developer of whether we can approve the development. So we were able to use that c to prevent a Dollar General from going in a b three zone by saying, yeah, this they don't meet these conditional criteria. Okay? So that's how it works. So it falls to this group to manage that. Now, however long ago, many years ago, when my predecessor was on council, there was a previous development that was in front of this group. I mean, knows it. Mr. Prentiss made mention of it, and it was shot down.

Okay? That development had a massive building in the back that had racked storage and was going to have forklifts, and and it was a very big building. Okay? It was a completely different development. And at the time, the planning commission said, no. We don't want that. That and they used that c to say no. That doesn't meet the requirements of our zoning code. So they went away. They came back a couple years later, and they they worked with a number of people within the city.

They came in front of the Planning Commission who has different members now than they did then, but some of the members they're the same. And they proposed a development, and they talked through a bunch of changes. Okay? Those changes were the size of the building in the back, significantly smaller. Right?

No longer rack storage. Now it's just drive in doors. Okay? So the scale of the size of that building is actually smaller in height than one of your neighbor's garage, detached garage that they have on their residential property. That's so for context, we have we have, from a zoning code standpoint, said, hey, we don't want these big buildings and storage units. And we are able to create a situation where now they're like, okay, this building is much smaller. Right? It's a much smaller building. It's a much it's much more compatible. Right?

And so then you start looking at the other things that we said to them. Mister Rector, I was sitting in the same seat under when I was on this, when I was representing council on this a number of years. And I told mister Rector, I'm like, mister Rector, we need to see commercial properties on South Main Street. We need to see commercial properties on South Main Street. We do not want these storage units out there for the exact reason that everybody has said, because they don't bring value. Okay? This is a corridor. It's important to all of us. Right? So they went back to the drawing board.

And what did they do? They they they took the offsets that that from all the property lines and they brought them in. So there's like a 150 something feet from the rear property line to the storage unit building that's being proposed. If they came before us with a permitted use with a different project, they could build something to within 25 feet of that property line. But they're not doing that.

They listened to all the concerns that were put before them previously, worked with the planning department to try to come up with something different, something that was palatable, something that allows him to maybe potentially develop his property, but also retains the long term viability of the parcels along South Main Street, which is important to me. I mean, I literally live right there. I walk that sidewalk all the time. My kids will be there forever. And so that's how we got to where we got. Right? As far as I'm concerned. Right? So this is not a council decision. This board is an independent thing.

So they have the right to vote and do what they do within the bounds of the code. I will say a couple of things. As part of a conditional use permit, conditions are allowed to be placed on that permit. So I would ask the commission that if you do decide to vote on this tonight and move this forward, that you that you craft a what do you call it? What Craft a Motion. A motion. Thank you.

Craft a motion that has

at least two conditions on it. Thank you whoever said that. The first condition is no outdoor storage is permitted on this property, which is not in the plan. Okay? Secondly is.

No it's not.

There's no outdoor storage in the plan. There's no. And it won't be permitted. Right? So the conditional use needs to be no outdoor storage on the thing. So I know, and and I'll I'll continue on with my other things in a second. I know there's concern about safety and security on Thing. But what we do know is outdoor storage is a target. Indoor storage is a more difficult is a more difficult thing with fencing and security and everything else. I I I can't I mean, I know what I know the data that was put before them, but but we know that if you store a bunch of boats and RVs outdoors, they become targets.

They become targets for catalytic converter theft. They become targets for battery theft, things of that nature. We won't have that, we don't have that, it shouldn't be permitted, right. And then the other thing that was mentioned and it was mentioned at the naughty vine is the hours of operation, right? So restriction of hours of operation is something that needs to be written into the conditional use permit. Now I will say this, contrary to what was proposed of eight to eight, I would say that that's not the right time frame. It needs to be probably six to like ten. And I know that's not really going to be popular for me to say that. Okay? But I'm going to say this.

These facilities, they do not generate a lot of traffic as as mister as Wethey said. Of all of of all of the potential things that could be there, that could happen, this is literally the least traffic. But the people that do use it are potentially the guy that runs his lawn business and needs to be able to get his trailer out in the morning or something like that. So so, you know, maybe six isn't the right number, maybe it's eight. But when you put your boat back in at night and your RV back in at night as well, extension beyond on 8PM in the summertime is is a little bit. So be a

because we will hear your noise on

that So listen. I this is my opinion. I will let this commission and whatever. If they are happy with eight to eight, I'm happy with eight to eight. I don't care. What I said what I'm saying is the condition of the motion should have a time limit associated with the condition. Okay? So limited hours of operation, no outside storage. A couple other comments that were made, just want to I want to clarify. They're good.

There was a comment about you had wished members of the commission could have attended Naughty Vine. We have sunshine law rules. And there's a whole mechanism in place that we refer to as ex parte communication. Okay? Where they cannot come to a meeting like that as a commission and attend it because it's something they're voting on.

So much like for me sitting here on a rezoning issue because it comes in front of city council, I won't ever and can't ever comment on it in front of this commission. But since council doesn't get a voice on this commission, I have the right to say whatever I want. And so this ex parte thing prevents them from, as a group or as a couple members, showing up at events like that. Hearing from needs to happen under the open open book sort of thing of of a meeting like this. That's just how the rules work.

And so that's why nobody was there. That's why I was there and the mayor was there and mister Weathey was there and whatnot. So I just wanted to clarify that. So listen, my I do not think that storage unit brings any value to the city for for this thing. But but at the same time, we do know that mister Rector has worked his him and his team have tried to work and create a situation that is that is palatable to the fringes of this development.

You heard some of the things that they've been doing to getting commercial along along South Main Street. We see we see those as or at least I do. I see those as good things. I see those as good things. What we don't want is for this to sit fallow again and have the root beer stand to continue to erode because it's been said in the meeting today, and Mr.

Rector, you know it's a source of aggravation for a lot of people that it has sat so long like that. So We should have made an incident. Yeah. We hopefully well, I guess regardless of what happens today, I think there's going to be an increased conversation about what happens with that building. So that is that.

I do want to as a you know we talked a little bit about safety security issues. Right? It is fenced. He's I think he said he's having cameras as well. The traffic thing, I think Mr.

Weethy said it, but I'm going to reiterate it. And I know it's not popular. But for a coffee shop restaurant and the commercial pieces to be viable along the corridor, right, there needs to be access along the adjacent side street. That if that if that root beer stand was still functioning today, that driveway has always been there. It had been functioning or whatever.

So we want the commercial uses to be viable. Okay? We don't believe that, at least I don't, believe that eliminating the driveway has a large contextual change to ultimately to large volumes of traffic going up and down Kunaroo. Okay? It actually provides provides more viability to the corner, to the coffee shop that I think people want.

It provides more whatever. People that are using the storage units, they're just not most people don't don't ever they don't ever go there. Right? The traffic volumes are low. So, you know, I I know there's a perception. I mean, I use your street as a cut through. Okay? I do. Right? I'm also cognizant of speed when I go through there as well. Right? And so I come down 619 and I turn right onto I turn right onto Cottage Grove, and then I pick my side street that I want to pick. Right? I, you know, I can pick one. So I do it, and I know other people do it.

Traffic speed is a, an enforcement issue. This, this is not, you should not fear this type of thing from that standpoint. I'm, but I can't control how you feel, but I'm just telling you, as as a as a traffic engineer by trade, that's what I do for a living, is the is is transportation development. You know, it's it's not going to be as as it seems if it were to happen to move forward. So I, to the commission, you guys have a tough decision here tonight.

There's a I wanted to present a couple of different sides to you and so that's what I've done. I'm just asking that as you draft your thing that you actually put these conditions in here so that should you decide to vote positively at least we get the conditions in there that help restrict some of the concerns that have been raised by the residents.

Mr. Nobel, I'll add a little bit to that as someone else who also lives in this area and walks in the neighborhood, occasionally runs, and, really enjoys the peace and quiet here. From a traffic standpoint, because I am also a traffic engineer, in my day job, The the additional drives on Main Street actually pose a larger safety issue because there are are more cars on Main Street, than the side access does. And then I also think there could be some issue from a fire safety perspective not having that access off of Magua there as well. But getting back to, you know, generally, we even though I live in this area and I really do appreciate and we take to heart everything that has been said here tonight, we also have to consider we represent the entire city.

And as it's been stated by numerous members in the audience, Maine is kind of like our third commercial corridor in green, and it's obviously very far behind Arlington and Massillon. And that's because, I mean, we see like a third of the traffic on Main Street that we do on Arlington Lane. It's really Main Street is overbuilt, but that's not what we're talking about tonight. And so we have to take that into consideration too that this this piece of property has probably been zoned business B1 or some variation of that since we had zoning and we became a city. So we also do have to take that into consideration, but we do take to heart that everything that has been brought here tonight.

So I guess, do we have any other questions, comments, remarks? Okay.

Do you have any? It's Tim. But he's you can ask. Is there anybody

who hasn't?

Okay. So is I would like to ask, is there anybody who hasn't spoke tonight who would like to come up and say something? Okay. Yeah.

Christine Goodwill, 3713 The only thing I I got a couple questions for the owner. First off, I never knew when it was for sale. I mean, how how would our residents know when that property was for sale? There was never a for sale sign on it. So how do we like you said, we should have bought the property. Well, how did we know it was for sale? It never went up on there saying for lease, for sale, for anything. How do we find that out? That's my question. I don't know if any of you can answer that right now.

I can answer that. I can answer that for you.

Okay. I didn't worry. There's there's

no law that says they have to put a sign up.

Okay. But then how do we find out? You said we should have bought the property. Well, if we don't know it's for sale, then how do we know to look into it? You see what I'm getting at?

I see what saying. I see what you're should

have bought it, then

It's been sitting there vacant for a while. You could always go up Steve and say, hey, do you are you interested in selling it?

Well, I didn't even know who owned it. That's the point. How where do we go to find I mean, do we have to go to you guys to find out where these properties are? Because, like, there's that property, the old vegetable plant not plant. Yeah. Yeah. That's just sitting there. I don't know who owns that. I don't know how to find out who owns that. Not that I want to buy it, but I'm just saying there's nothing to indicate. But it's sitting there for years. So you're telling us we should buy these properties. Well,

Probably we didn't the short answer to that is the county has a website that will tell you who owns any parcel you want. You can do it by address, by parcel, by zero in I could zero in on your property.

Okay.

If you if it's in your name, I can find out who owns it, I can find out what's called a tax mailing address, okay? So you can call, you can, and it's much more, I don't want to get into all that stuff, but I could send you a letter saying I'm interested in buying your house. It's as simple as that.

Okay. So the website is called Summit County Auditor.

Okay. Because I didn't know that. Other question is, is it guaranteed that he is going to do the second phase? I mean, is that guaranteed? Because when I was here at this last meeting, not at not in mine, the last meeting, that was not a guarantee. That was, we might do it. I mean, is this still a, we might do it?

The way I understand it is that they would like to do it. But we're not talking about that tonight. We're just doing the phase one as they're calling it.

Okay. So there's no guarantees.

So they're not obligated, no.

You're saying, oh, well, we want to see more retail, but we're not gonna hold them to have retail in front of that. So they could just say, okay, we're gonna we're gonna you're gonna approve this property, and then they build in, and they're gonna say, there's no real need for retail right in front of the storage unit.

The way my simple mind looks at it is they've got a big investment in this property. They need to start recovering some

Right.

Which is why they wanna do the the storage units. And that will enable them then to maybe do what should be the more lucrative opportunity for an investment on Main Street. So

But there's some but like you said, it's not developing yet. It's not there yet.

It's it's not in this plan.

Yeah. No, So basically, it's maybe.

So mister Reichner did mention earlier tonight that he has a letter of intent for a coffee shop to go into one of those at least one of his spaces. Okay. So there is interest already. He's generated interest already in with a coffee shop to go in there. So you wouldn't get a letter of intent if you didn't intend on putting a retail I space

what I personally would like to see, that property left alone. Now the root band stand, okay, you can tear that down, make it green, I don't care. I'd rather not see anything. No restaurant, no coffee shop. Leave it green. Leave the trees. We need them. That's my opinion. Thank you.

Thank you for

your time.

I believe we had another audience member.

Nancy Lawson. I live at 3674 Drive. I've grown up in the city of Green. I've watched it develop over decades. I've lived in my current home for thirty years this year and one of the things that was in this allotment when we moved in, we live on the corner of Chicolamy and Magua and it was a four way stop sign.

The stop signs came out on Magua but stayed on Chicolamy. And now my concern is when if we're having all these storage units, most people when they leave and go to from their storage unit, they're gonna head towards the highway or maybe to the other side of Green or wherever to where they live. And they're gonna make that right out of there, and they're gonna fly up Magua like everybody flies up Magua now and down Magua. So I just feel that that it would be additional traffic and like people have stated we have a lot of younger people moving in. We see people running and walking with their kids in strollers.

I walk it normally I walk the neighborhood down Main Street all the way to Killian when I walk and back. And so but in my neighborhood, I like to feel comfortable. I know I have a sidewalk when I walk on Main Street, so I do feel comfortable there. But in my own neighborhood, I don't go anywhere on Magua. I stay off of Magua because people just fly up and down there all the time. So that's my big concern and probably just, you know, more theft than what would go on in our neighborhood.

Thank you for your time. Since it is what I do on a daily basis, I will say for an educational standpoint, stop signs are not do not reduce speeds. That's, like, a very research proven fact. And the traffic that is currently on Magua is local neighborhood traffic. So it is the neighborhood that is speeding.

It is you know, like, that it is that's what the traffic is there. That's the speeders, the neighborhood in Jeff maybe. But but from a traffic coming perspective, there are other things we could do that would in would help with that more than stop signs. I don't know necessarily why those were taken out at some point. Probably not warranted, which is could be the likely cause, but traffic stop signs are proven to not produce speeds. Just wanted to add that tidbit in there.

Maybe it's time to

Okay. I'm sorry. We're keeping it to people who haven't spoken tonight. Thank you, though. So is there anybody who hasn't already spoken tonight who would like to come up and say a few words?

Seeing none, would somebody like to make a motion, or does anybody from the commission have any other last thoughts, questions, statements? Okay. Then can I have a motion?

I'll make a motion. I'll make a motion, Madam Chair. I'm going to make a motion for favorable approval of the conditional use certificate for Phase one of this project, contingent on the applicant receiving a variance from the Board of Zoning Appeals for the proposed vehicular use area setback to the adjacent residential district, Also contingent on final engineering approval of the site improvement plans and the storm water calculations. Also contingent on a NOx box being installed for the green fired department's requirements. Also per Mr.

Sorry, just a second. Even though I turned my phone off, it rings in my hearing aids. I'm sorry. Also, per Mr. Noble's comments that there will be we make a restriction on no outdoor storage and also that the time limits be set to eight a. M. To eight p. M. Did we get that, Mindy.

Yes. Okay. Do I have a second?

I will second.

Can we get a vote? Mr. Birch?

Yes.

Mr. Bishman?

Yes.

Ms. Thresher? Yes. Ms. Anderson? Yes. Mr. Daniels?

Yes.

Okay.

So I believe the next step for this is it goes to Board of Zoning Appeals,

It will

go to

the Board of Zoning Appeals. They will hear the one issue regarding the code, and that's regarding the setback on the Magua Drive. It was located there because of the access point established by the bowling alley technically now. I don't know if that's where the driveway was for the root beer stand, but it's only the Board of Zoning Appeals hearing will be about the setback of the Magua Drive access point.

Okay. Thanks for that clarification. I would like to reiterate, on behalf of the rest of the commission, thank you all for coming out. It is very rare that we see anybody, like we stated, and we did definitely take everything that you said to heart tonight, and we appreciate your time. Okay. Next item on the agenda, approval of minutes. Does anybody have any questions or comments? Can I get a motion?

The Okay. I will give you the motion.

Do I need to do something? Excuse me, everyone. You are welcome to leave, but we actually do still have items on our agenda, so please exit quietly.

Is there a motion? I'll second. Okay.

Mike may approve. No, to make a motion. Mike second.

Have it. Five minutes.

Okay. Can we get a vote? Yes. Mr. Bischman?

Yes. Minutes. Okay.

Mr. Birch? Yes. Ms. Anderson? Yes. Ms. Thrasher? Yes. Mr. Daniels?

Yes. Okay. Director's report. Okay. So we are we will be back March 18. We've got a couple of things on the agenda already. So if you can make it, we appreciate it. Hopefully, I don't know about spring break plans. I don't know if that's spring break yet or not. But March 18, we do have a couple of items on the agenda.

I do have a question. It was brought up by a fellow commission member. We've continued to go with 24 by 36 plans just because of ease of being able to read them. But it would help us to go 11 by 17, I guess or maybe you guys could let us determine how legible 11 by 17s are with a bigger plan. I mean, but would you guys be opposed to some of these, I would use the word easier ones, just giving you the 11x17s?

I will say that's fine. But if we could have a main set here in the building that we can come by and look at.

Sure. And we do put those plans on our website as soon as we have kind of the, I'll call it, the final as we work through these things. So you could also get on the website and kind of look at the plans, blow them up if you need to. But we'll try the 11 by 17 for a little while. And if it's not working or if we feel something is not legible, we'll give you another copy of the 24 by 36.

I think, one, everybody will appreciate it. You see, we literally hand deliver these because of the size of the I mean, we started that. I mean, there's been times where you get rolls of plans. So if we can do this, it will be a little bit less, but that's kind of why we hand deliver these and find a location at your house.

It fills up my trash can too.

Okay. Well, hopefully after the meeting. So we will try that, but it was brought up, and we've tried it before. And sometimes the plans are too large if it's too big of a project that eleven by seventeen just doesn't cover it. But we'll work with us because we may give you some smaller plans in the future. If it's problematic, let us know. We'll make sure you get the 24 by 36.

I will say I asked for smaller plans because these we didn't have those. All

right. It'll be less than your trash.

These are too big. Okay. Counsel, do we have a report?

I would just say that the the rezoning that you guys approved on the corner of 619 and Fortuna. Fortuna Drive is it's scheduled for public hearing on, looks like March 10, so it's coming up. So that'll be in front of counsel here in the coming weeks.

Okay. Thank you.

Can I make a comment? Mr. Noble, I really appreciate you taking the time and effort with planning. It's really nice to have you back after your year serving as President of the Council. And I really do appreciate your comments and how serious you take this. So thank you.

You're welcome. I appreciate that.

Okay. I think that was it. So can I get a motion to adjourn?

Absolutely.

All in favor?

Aye.