Common Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening everybody. I call to order the meeting of our common council for Tuesday, April 21st, 2026. Clerk, thank your honor. We have 12 members in the room and 12 members voting in city clerk. All right. Thank you so much, clerk. Now, let's please rise for the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for an invocation offered by Alder Ritterbush. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

You may be seated. So, I just I just want to thank uh first I want to start off thanking Brian Johnson and and Alder Johnson, Alder Galvin for their service uh to this council. Uh then I just want to talk about this campaign and the people people that helped the people that uh that lost and I want to thank everybody who's got involved in this process because it was it was tough. There was some pretty nasty stuff going on out there and I'm I'm honored to have served for nine months and I'm really looking forward to uh the next two years and I don't care if you're blue, red, purple, green, whatever color you stand for. Uh we plan on working together to make this city a number one city like it always has been in my eyes. Thank you.

Thanks all the way. And now uh what we've all gathered for or many of us have gathered for here are oaths of office to be u administered by our clerk here Celesteine Jeff. Yes. Thank you. Um so I'm going to ask every alder to rise please and what you're going to do what you're going to do is you're going to raise your hand and there's going to be a point where you're going to say I'm going to say I and then you're going to all repeat your name. Then I'll say the parts of the oath slowly and you'll repeat after me until we're finished. Okay? I I

being duly elected as an alder being duly elected as an of the city of Green Bay of the city of Green Bay do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Wisconsin and the Constitution of the State of that I will faithfully perform I will faithfully perform the duties of said office the duties of said office to the best of my ability to the best of my ability if choose to so help me God.

Thank you. You are sworn in. We're here for two years. [applause] [applause]

Oh yes. Corp. Yes. Thank you. Um, and on your desks, alders, you have your certificate of election that is for you to take home and frame. You also have um a an oath of office which you're going to sign and then I'll sign and that's uh for retention for our records. And then there's also a statement of economic interest that I'd ask you to sign and I'll collect those after the meeting's over. Excellent. Thank you, clerk, and congratulations to all members of our city council. Uh next up, we have a couple of important items. Election of our common council president and vice president. uh attorney co-chart any anything as far as process we do this every two years of course but it's uh nice to have a little refresher sometimes

yes absolutely so like other agenda items there can be a nomination uh for anyone how many of our nominations there are we take that process based on the number of uh candidates for president and vote accordingly before we start this process though generally we would move forward with an open voting but this is the one instance where council can use a secret ballot if they prefer uh but council has to vote on on on that. So that would take a motion. If you want to proceed by secret ballot or any other instructions on the process, we would do that first and then take um take motions after that for council president and then once that's completed, we'll move on to the vice president. Very well. Any motions from the floor nominations?

Alder EC makes a motion um to move to a secret ballot. Is there a second for that? Seconded by Alder Grant. Discussion. Alder profit. Yes. Um, I would just say that I object to that. I know it's the one instance in which we can keep our votes a secret on this body, but I think transparency in our government is important. Um, so I would be in favor of just keeping it open.

Thanks, Alder. Any other comments on that? I would second Alder Profit's uh sentiments there. Um yeah, rhetorically I was seconding it, but um just just to make the point that as as she already stated um the business that we conduct here is public business. This is the only thing that you could do privately if you so choose. Um but I think it's in the public interest to know um you know every position that that this body takes. So Alder Shelton.

Yeah, I just I want to agree with Alder Profett on this. Um you know, we've all just been sworn in. I feel like this is the way to start this is by being open and transparent in this vote. Any other comments on the motion? Seeing none, uh all in favor of a closed ballot will signify this. A board vote is required. Uh so we will do that. And this is on having a closed ballot. Yes. Sorry. You may vote. and Alder, you vote yes.

And that fails four to eight. Uh, nominations for president. Alder Morgan, I'd like to nominate Kathy Austinine Hinkfist for president. Thank you, Alder. Alder Dele, I'd like to nominate Alder Alyssa Profett. Thank you, Alder. Any other nominations? Any other nominations? Seeing none, uh any move to debate. Move to debate. comments. Yeah. Any comments from the floor?

Yeah. Alder Hus,

first of all, I'm honored um to be nominated uh in this position and I think um I'd like to accept that nomination. Um, I served on this council for the last two years and work very hard to build relationships um with all of the council members. So, I think a president must encourage collaboration. We represent all 12 members um with fairness, professionalism, and commitment. It's why I'm running. I've run in three city council races. Two of my or one I won, no two I won, one I lost. So, um, all the races were in district 12 and I want everybody to know the district sits within the boundaries of the United Reservation. So, it's almost like serving two governments because there's a lot of different things that go on. Um, so I I have to build that relation also. And thanks to mayor, we have an intergovernment um agreement um that really helps us along. But those are the skills that I want to apply. Um, thanks to Mayor Gingrich and the past council, I think I've demonstrated my ability to deliver and to deliver results for my district and the city of Green Bay, which is really important. Um, as vice chair of the finance committee, a member of the personnel committee, those were two things that the council or that Eric appointed me to. Um, I collaborated with the HR director and identified a million dollars in savings that I brought to the council at the last meeting that thank you to the last council for approving it. So, we get to move forward with that. Um, I've also with the past skills, which is what I ran on, what I ran on in my district is the skills that I utilized in my private prior business life um with Humanana and being in an executive suite there. uh he or the

YW.CA in working with nonprofits and then as a small business owner. Um bottom line, my district is unique. Um but we all are right. But because we sit within the boundaries, I again I serve two um districts. But because of that, I also utilize that relationship and solicit $100,000 from the Onidita Nation that is serving to get our splash pads in the Ted Fridge Park. So, it pays to collaborate. It pays to have um that relationship. So, I'm asking for your vote on the council. Thank you.

Thanks, Alder. Any other comments? Alder Profett. Um, I appreciate Alder Ritter Bush's alluding at the beginning to everyone who decided to throw their name in the ring for this election season. Um, it's not easy, but I think one thing we can all agree on is why we're doing it. Um, so I just appreciate the opportunity uh to serve the community. Um, not just um in in the district, but in neighborhood association hats and in many different roles um with community partners that we have. Um I I love I'm sure my family doesn't love it. Uh but being out there sun up to sun down um building those relationships and serving our community anyway I know how. Um so I'm just grateful um for the opportunity and um looking forward to seeing how this vote goes. Thank you.

Any other comments? Alder Grant.

Thank you mayor. A council president should be someone who is willing to work with every member of this body. Someone who brings people together, not someone who creates division. During my time serving alongside Alder Hankfist, I've seen firsthand her strong leadership, her thoughtful ideas, and consistent respect she shows to others. I truly value the relationship we've built. I don't always we don't always agree, and that's okay. In fact, that's the strength of a council like this. We listen, we challenge each other, and ultimately, we collaborate to find the best solution for the residents we serve. I'm proud of the work this council has done over the past four years. We've made a conscious effort to create opportunities that bring us together. When we shown that and we've shown that productive, respectful dialogue is not only possible, it's effective. This is something that has been recognized by residents of our community. As I've shared with many of you, there have been instances where members of this council have been excluded and that undermines the spirit of collaboration that our community deserves. The vote you cast tonight will set the tone for the next two years. I urge you to choose a path of unity, respect, and collaboration because our city deserves nothing less.

Any other comments? Alder? Thank you, Mayor. Uh, yes. I want to piggyback off of Alder Grant's comments and and I too have worked with um Alder Hinfist on uh various things and she's been very open to having dialogue and again we don't always agree on everything but she's open to hearing from us and so I do appreciate her leadership that she's shown in the in the various boards that she's been on and her um previous um employment um that she's had lots of leadership experience. So, I highly recommend Alder Hingfist. Anything else? Alder Morgan,

I just wanted to explain the reason I did nominate Alder Hankfist. Uh, I've been lucky. I've been on here now for four years. My first president was Jesse that we all know did a great job. And then we had Brian and uh they've been people that would listen to everything that I said. They've answered questions for me and I I just feel that working the last two years with Alder Hankfist, I've found the same working conditions and communication was open and that's the reason I have uh nominated her and we'll vote for her.

Anything else from our council? Alder Presley.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um we're fortunate to have two great nominees uh for this position right now. Um and uh I would you know if if I could vote both of them I would vote for both of them. Uh I am going to throw my support behind Alder Profit. Um Alder Profit came into this job two years ago ready to go. Um I saw that from day one being on this council that Alder Profit knew who she had to talk to to get stuff done. She knew the staff. She built those relationships and over the past two years has only gotten better at her job and more prepared to fill this role. Um I I'm six months older than Alder Profit. But uh but I look up to her as a mentor in many cases, as somebody I can go to for answers when I don't know what the answer is. Um somebody who just knows inside and out our agendas whenever they come before us, who is so prepared and ready to get business done uh as soon as we enter these chambers. Uh who also has ideas for the future um and has the knowhow and the connections um and the spirit to get those bold ideas done um to serve our community. Um, I appreciate that she referenced why we do this. We do this for our community. So, when I'm looking at who I'm going to elect to the president position, it's somebody who I think is best going to serve our community and not necessarily um, you know, who's going to best communicate within this body, but who's going to work for this community. Um, and I see that as Alder Profett.

Thanks, Alder. Anything else? Alder Lee, [clears throat] I nominated Alder Profett this evening because she's truly an inspiration. The work that she does is and her unwaverly commitment to Green Bay to build a stronger Green Bay and more connected to this community, it sets her apart. She's built incredible relationships that help move real progress forward. And the passion she brings every day does not go unnoticed. The level of networking, dedication, and effort she puts into everything, serving as an alder is nothing short of astounding. Anything else?

All right, seeing none, uh, a verbal vote or Well, you know, there thank you. Um, so there, you know, civic clerk, I was just emailing with Shelby. It seems like we've got one at a time or I can pull them and ask them for their um votes openly. I'm not sure which would be the most. Why don't we just go 1 through 12 and and they say it openly. Yeah. Okay. I like it. Give me one sec. Let's do that. All right. Alder Grant. Alder Hudson. Profit. Alder Morgan. Alder Hankfist. Uh, Alder Shelton,

Alder, sorry, Morlowski. Earlowski, Alder Profett, thank you. Alder Presley, Alder Profett, thank you. Alder Profett. Alder Ribbush. Alder Profett. Thank you. Alder Debbaker. Alder Hingfist. Alder Dee, Alder, Alder, Alder Henus, and Alder Hankfest. Well, I'm going to vote for myself. Okay,

if you just give me a moment. Oh, I think I did that wrong. Count it. So I have seven votes for Alder Profett and five votes for Alder Henf.

All right. Very well. Congratulations, Alder Profit, our new city council president. [applause] Next we'll move along to vice president. Any nominations? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to nominate Alder Hutcherson. Right. Any other nominations? Alder Grant. No. Alder. I'd like to nominate Alder Hus. And I'd like to vote for Jim Hutcherson. [laughter] We're not voting yet, so keep it to yourself. Okay.

[laughter] Do they need to accept the nomination? Are you saying you're not accepting any nominations? No. Yeah. Okay. Uh, any other nominations? Seeing none, we will go to the vote again. Yes. Okay. Alder Grant. Alder Grant. As it stands. Yeah. Alder Hutchson. Okay. Alder Hudson. Alder Morgan, Alder Shelton, Alder Olowski, Alder Presley,

Alder Profett, Alder Ritterbush, [laughter] Alder Debaker, Alder Hutchinson, Alder Deer, Alder E, and Alder Hingfus. Alder Hutchson. That is uh 11 votes for Alder Hudson and one vote for Alder Hinfist. All right, congratulations Alder Hudson. [applause]

And if we just want to take a a quick two-minute recess and we can shuffle things and put the president vice president up on the day here.

All right. I would call us back to order and entertain a motion on approval of the minutes. So move. Motion has been made by Alder Profett. Seconded by Alder Presley. That's on approval of the minutes. Any changes need to be made there? All right. See none. All here say I. Opposed. Name. The eyes have it. The minutes are approved. Approval of the agenda. Motion to approve. Motion to approve made by Alder Presley and seconded by Alder Ritterbush. Uh any amendments here? Changes. Seeing none. All in favor say I.

Oppose. Nay. The eyes have it. And the agenda is approved. Uh report by the mayor. Just a a couple quick comments. I made similar comments at our orientation, but just wanted to say them publicly. Congratulations, of course, to everyone who was elected uh especially for the first time, but also those who are reelected to this council. Um, you know, I've worked in federal government, served in state government, uh, local government really is where it's at. And, uh, you know, respect have a ton of respect for everyone who serves at all kinds of different levels. Um, but it's it's been a special a special privilege of mine to serve at the local level and I think you all, especially those that are new, are going to find that as well. Um, I also have some, you know, maybe bad news for you. Uh, you're all politicians now. just to be clear, right? So, you know, there's this dance that a lot of us try to do with I'm an elected official or I'm a public servant or I'm a public official. Um, you as practitioners of politics should should take that seriously, right? Um, the root of the word, not to, you know, I'm not not an expert in ancient Greek or anything, but polace is the city, right? And politics is basically the affairs of the city or the affairs of the city state, the business of the city. Um, and there there are good ways to practice politics. There are very bad ways to practice politics. And we're all aware of that. Um, and I think those of us who are elected have an opportunity to choose the good path or the bad path every single day and to to do politics, to practice politics, to serve our communities in good and profoundly meaningful ways. uh every single day and I see that um the work that's being done by our existing council members, the work that's being done by our staff and um I I'm expecting great things from this common council. Uh we have a lot of

really important work in front of us. Uh and people are going to approach the questions that come before this body in different and unique ways based on their experiences and beliefs. Um, but you know, I I really trust in the wisdom of this this collective here that that we're going to have good solid conversations that are rooted in the question of like what's best for the community. And so, um, again, congratulations to all of you. Uh, you are now my fellow politicians and I expect you all to practice politics in good and decent and meaningful ways in uh, this next term. So with that, we'll move along to we don't have any recognitions and awards this evening. So appointments and I would entertain a motion on uh reappointment first. Yes. Announcements. You have an announce an announcement for us.

Yes. Yes, we could entertain announcements as well from our council. Anything from council? Seeing none. Um we've got that one reappoint. It's entertain a motion there. Motion to approve the reappointment made by Alder Profett, seconded by Alder Dele. Any discussion here? Seeing none, all in favor will say I. Post nay. The eyes have it. That reappointment is made. Um, next we have the appointments to standing committees and boards and commissions. Motion to approve made by Alder Dele. Second. Seconded by Alder Presley. Any discussion here? Seeing none, all in favor will say I. I.

Oppose. Nay. The eyes have it. And those appointments are made. Ordinance of second reading for adoption. Motion to adopt. Uh made by Alder Presley, seconded by Alder Hingfus. Any discussion here? Seeing none, we'll use the board. And you may vote.

There we go. All right. And that is adopted unanimously. Report of the redevelopment authority. Approve. Motion to approve made by Alder Profett. Seconded by Alder DeLe. Items here to be handled separately. Number two, Alder Baker. Right. Alder Deb Baker abstains from item three. We'll make that note. Um, anything else? All right. Item two will be handled separately. Hearing none others. All in favor of approving the remainder of the report will signify by saying I.

Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. The report has been approved with the exception of item two. Your wish is on that. Alder profit. Oh, Alder Invis. Sorry. Is that where you hold it? Uh, new information came since the RDA meeting. Um, and staff needs time to take a look at it, review it, and then we'll proceed from there, and it'll come back to council in May. Okay, sounds good. Um, it's too a director, anything just to to add on that? No, I mean, I think we're we're progressing in a good way on the project. There's just some red line changes we're looking at with the law department and we didn't feel comfortable bringing it forward now for approval.

Good. Thanks, director. So, motion hold made by Alder Henfist to be brought back at our next council meeting. Seconded by Alder E. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor will say I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. And that item has been held over till our next council meeting. Next up is a report of the improvement and services committee. Motion to approve made by Alder Dele and seconded by Alder E. Items here to be handled separately. Hearing none. All in favor will say I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. That report has been approved. Protection and policy committee. Motion to approve. Motion to approve made by Alder Profett, seconded by Alder Dele. Items here to be handled separately.

I believe we have to call number two. Number two, any others? Hearing none others. All in favor of the remainder of the agenda will signify by saying I. I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. The uh report has been approved with the exception of item two. Your wishes on that? Alder Hutcherson. Move to open the floor. Alder Hutcherson moves to open the floor. Seconded by Alder Dele. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say I.

Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. And the floor is open. Um, so this is the second item from the report of the protection policy committee. No recommendation on an appeal for a denial of an excess animal permit for Diana Krauss and Dan Tilot at 2566 Remington Court. Um, do we have any staff ready to talk about this issue or is it going to be the just the applicant? She's here. Yeah. Oh, uh, could officer Mavs speak first? Speak first. Sure.

Officer Maves. Good evening. Um, I appreciate everyone's time tonight. Um, just wanted to touch on a few things. Um, an excess animal permit was filed by Dan Tilot and Diana Krauss at 2566 Remington Court uh in January of uh 2026. Um, part of my process that city council has uh deemed appropriate is for me to look at the likelihood of a public or private nuisance being created. Um, and in determining whether a permit shall be granted, um, I'm designated to consider the number and type of animals to be possessed, the applicant's criminal record, including any animal related police calls for service, known prior history of animals, health of the animals, whether proper licenses and vaccinations have been obtained in the condition of the applicant's residence, where the animals will be kept, and uh, like I said before, the likelihood of a public or private nuisance being created, and any other factors deemed relevant. by myself. Um, I denied the permit uh based on the history of calls that we've had there overall. Um, and if I could just go over some of them. Uh, the first call for service was a documented police call regarding an animal complaint uh September 13th of 2018 for a loose dog complaint. Uh, the dog uh that was loose at that time was Rosco. The dog is no longer on the property. Um there is an additional call then two months later on November 7th of 2018 uh where Rosco bit uh while on a public rideway uncontrolled. There was another return call where I

took a bite report involving Rosco. Um and then at that time Rosco was not licensed uh with the city which is actually a state law requirement uh per Wisconsin state statute 174.07 07 and adopting city ordinance 6-2 PNA. Uh I encouraged um and ordered Mr. Tilt to obtain dog licenses to follow uh laws local and state. Uh there was no compliance with that. Um, repeated uh, follow-ups were made from February 2020 to April, I'm sorry, uh, February 20th of 2019 to April 13th until he finally got into compliance with obtaining uh, licenses. July 22nd of 2020, there was another dog attack involving Rosco while the dog was uncontrolled off property. Then um March 17th of 2025, there's another dog attack uh incident uh with a dog named Daisy owned by Mr. Tot. Um the dog was uncontrolled and approached a passer by. There was another incident then um while uh Daisy had escaped the property and there were two additional dogs um Cookie and Olive that were owned by uh Diana Krauss and leashes were dropped when the dog escaped out of the property and one after a passer by and obviously another police call for service uh was created. Um, at this time, Daisy does meet the criteria of a dangerous dog. I have not deemed Daisy dangerous. Um, but a dangerous dog per ordinance 6-12 is any animal that acts in a menacing fashion. Um, causes a non severe non by injury. Uh, and uh is is caused uh while

uncontrolled on a public right ofway. Um, there's been repeated incidences like that. Uh, neighborhood letters were sent out. Three neighborhood letters were received in objection due to um chronic issues with uncontrolled dogs, history of dogs um being involved in bites while they're running at large. Mr. Tot was previously issued uh two citations in 2020. Uh one for animal unattended within 5t of a public rideway uh and the other for no dog license. uh he was found guilty on both of those instances and um did pay the fines on that. Based on this, I I I'm tasked with a position where I have to look out for the public's welfare uh for themselves and their pets. And at this point, I do feel that it is a public safety concern uh to allow someone to exceed our city ordinances given the the chronic history that we have here. Uh it's it's it's not a right to own more than two dogs per our city ordinance. It's a privilege. Um and based on this, I don't think proper precautions um have been made uh to to remedy this or prevent this.

Thanks for your testimony, Officer Mavis. Any questions? Thank you. Thank you. And do we have our applicant like to speak? And then if you could just state your name and address for us. Uh my name is Dan Tila, 2566 Remington Court. Um Diana Crowzy, 2256 Remington Court.

Um there's a lot of talk here about Rosco. Rosco is gone. He left in 2021 and Daisy came in 2021. Diana moved in with me in December of 2025. She had two labs and I had Daisy. So, we're looking for permit to have three dogs on the property. All the dogs are licensed, vaccinated by the Animal House Vet Clinic, which we also use for out of town boarding. Um, Daisy has never bit a person, and she had one incident that there was a puncture wound to another dog that came by. It was like quarter after 10 at night. I took her out. I didn't realize there was people walking in the in the street and she did run out into the street and she did hang out with the dog a little bit. She never bit a person and there was a puncture wound is what there was nothing on the police report about any bites or anything but when officer Mavis sent out the letters. One lady did write a letter saying that there was a puncture to the neck of one of the dog or of her dog. Um, I purchased a the property for my home in 2002. There was a no fence covenants there where I cannot construct an actual fence to hold dogs in whatever. So, we're working right now with a guy named Jason Boro. He's from Dog Watch and he does underground fence and dog training. Um, we're planning on putting in the underground fence and he has a trainer that will come. Obviously, we'll have collars bought for all three dogs and it's probably about $2,900 to $3,000. And he says it's the best out there. We have four letters from immediate neighbors. Our backyard is a consery for

Green Bay, so there we really don't have neighbors in the back. It's like a woods with a creek running through. I have four letters from immediate neighbors stating they have no issues with our dogs. And I have 19 signatures from other neighbors that have no problem with our dogs whatsoever. Thanks for your testimony. Anything from you, ma'am? Um, whatever he said is correct. Okay, sounds good. Any questions for our applicant? Oh, yeah. All direct. Thank you for coming in. I know this a difficult situation. Um, and when did you say that the is it like an invisible fence is going to be installed? We're working with the guy right now. Okay. Yep.

All right. Well, I appreciate and I think that shows that in good faith that you're trying to remedy the situation. It is invisible fence, so it is in the ground. They will have collars and he says that it's the best out there. So, all right. Thank you. Anything else from council? Thanks again for your testimony. Anyone else who Anyone else on this item? Doesn't look like it. Alder motion to close the floor made by Alder, seconded by Alder Hutcherson. All in favor will say I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it and the floor is closed. Uh looking for a motion. Motion to approve the appeal.

Alder Hutchson makes a motion to approve the appeal. Second. seconded by Alder. Um I make this motion. Um I was on the protection and policy committee where we went to two and two vote. Um I think that officer messes has done her job. She's got it in front of us. It should have come to us. Um I think that the fact that Rosco is gone, uh a lot of talk was about behavior at that location. Rosco's gone, but also um there's a new person living there, Diana. She's living there with her two dogs. I think uh I feel comfortable with the change uh that will allow protection of both the dogs and both the public uh especially with the the implementation of this fence. So that's why um I made the the motion. Thanks,

Elder. Additional comments grant can we make in the motion on the condition that the invisible fence gets installed? Attorney cochart will um usually I would say we would uh hold it and grant it at a later date. Um our excess permits aren't usually conditioned on any particular um requirement because it's not a requirement in ordinance. Um, we usually we send officer Mavis back um to inspect at a later date. I think that's what's been done recently to determine if it was completed and then it's granted at that time. Okay. Okay. Thank you. It's all there.

I think it's very timely that um the first one of the first items we discussed tonight there's maybe a difference of a opinion on the floor. So I'm I'm going to be against the motion um and for a few reasons. So, I think one key point that was brought up by Officer Mavis is the ability for this dog to be declared dangerous. She's not pursuing that. Um, but she could. Um, I hear the point about invisible fencing, but I also grew up with a dog who was willing to take one shot and he was gone. Um, the invisible fence is one thing. Um, but leashed pets um are definitely better, but then I've had my fair share of dogs who were powerful enough and they they pulled right away from that, too. I think we've had more than enough examples and it is a court as well. So, I just want to I believe there's no sidewalks back there either. So, I just picture myself on a walk-in in the neighborhood and I would not want to see any type of dog whether it's a 5B dog or a 50 pound dog coming at me when I'm just trying to walk through the neighborhood. So, um I am opposed to approving this appeal um for those reasons.

Thanks, Alder. Additional comments. Thank you, mayor. And I was part of the conversation at the um protection and policy meeting. So, I did hear all of the information. And the reason why I am motioning or second um Alder Hutcherson's motion is because they're taking steps to um get that invisible fencing when they don't have another option. I would love to see a actual fence put up um and maybe working towards asking for exceptions in the covenants. Um but I think that they're showing that they are trying to work through this. Um and I do appreciate what Oliver Mavis is doing and you know I totally respect what you know what her recommendations are and I'm just looking at as kind of giving it another chance.

Thanks Aler. Any other comments from councel? Uh we have a motion and a second to grant the appeal. All in favor will signify by saying I opposed nay. Yeah, we'll use the board.

And that succeeds 8 to four. Next is a report of the Green Bay Police Department granting operator licenses. Motion to approve made by Alder Profett. Seconded by Alder Presley. Thank you. Um any abstensions here, names be handled separately? Seeing none, all in favor say I. I. Post nay. The eyes have it. And the report has been approved. Next is a report of the plan commission both from March 23rd and April 13th. Motion to approve made by Alder Profett. Second by Alder Hutcherson. items here to be handled separately. Seven. Seven. [clears throat] Any others? Hearing none others. All in favor of approving the remainder of that report will signify by saying I.

I. Oppos. Nay. The eyes have it. The report has been approved with the exception of item seven. Uh, your wish is on that. Alder profit. Motion to open the floor. Motion to open the floor. Made by Alder Profett. Second. Seconded by Alder Hutchson. All in favor will say I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. And the floor is open if you'd like to speak to item seven of the report of the plan commission, which is to approve a request for a plan unit development for a library, other semi-public uses, and surface parking for property located at 515 South Pine Street and 2011 North Monroe Avenue.

Good evening. Thank you for having me, city council. Um, I do have a handout. Um, I'll just start it here and then just your name and address as well. Dan Ters with Brown County Planning. Uh 305 East Walnut. Um hopefully it comes back.

Um so I have a a quick presentation that I'd like to do and just kind of talk you through this project. Um so you know who I am. I'm the director of uh Brown County Planning. Um, I'm here tonight to present PUD request for the Brown the Brown County Library and explain how this project aligns with goals set both by Brown County and the city of Green Bay. For those of you that are not familiar with this project, this is a project defined by synergistic relationships. The Brown County Central Library currently houses the Brown County Job Center on the first floor. The relationship between the the library and the job center made sense as both entities are resource agencies. Now, Brown County is hoping to move the Brown County Aging Disability and Resource Center, the ADRC, and Grounded Cafe to the library site. Similar to the relationship between the Job Center and the library, the ADRC is also a service and resource agency to more than 14,000 customers that will complement the library and the job center services. This type of project is a perfect example of the goal set forth in the city's comprehensive plan that calls for, and I quote, colllocating civic and institutional uses with the library. A few details on the project itself. The project's changes uh associated with this project include revisions to the parking on the north side of the library to create a new driveway on Madison Street and an addition of 13 new spaces with two of them being ADA van accessible spaces. We are moving the driveway on Pine Street to make way for the addition of the grounded cafe. Uh, its location on the corner is strategically positioned to help activate that corner and take advantage of the vehicular traffic that amounts to between 10,000 and 8,500 vehicle trips a day. Other changes include the demolition of the Bank Mutual building that is currently across the street to

allow for a new parking lot with 54 stalls on the north half of that site. The approximately $400,000 uh invested into the demolition of the building will also enhance the marketability of the site for redevelopment. We are also proposing to move the driveway entrance on Monroe Avenue to align better with the new parking lot design and future uh development on the south side of the parcel. Interior changes amount uh interior being interior to the library. Uh interior changes amount to an approximately $25 million investment that will create new spaces throughout the library as detailed in the renderings provided to you tonight. The PUD request is undoubtedly focused on parking. However, the request for parking requires context. The ADRC serves a variety of clientele, but the bulk of the people uh being served are over the age of 60 and adults with disabilities. Parking plays an important role in uh ADRC clients ability to access the services and programs the ADRC offers. Additionally, the ADRC is contractually obligated both through state and federal contracts to provide free and accessible parking stalls at their facility. The combination of the new parking created on the north side of the library along with 54 spaces proposed in the new parking lot on the Bank Mutual site will replace the existing parking. the ADRC has at their South Adams location and meet their contractual obligations. While not part of the PUD, Brown County also has been in discussion with city staff regarding changes to the on street parking uh on Pine Street and Madison Street. It is our understanding that these proposed changes as shown in the PUD uh application are generally accepted by staff, but we are required to go through the INS committee for

consideration. We look forward to continuing to work with sta uh city staff on the refinement of the on street parking design that as proposed meets many of the complete street design recommendations detailed in the comprehensive plan. The city has a bold vision for downtown that requires reinventing and redeveloping various areas to match the growing housing demand and adjust to the evolving community needs. Brown County is committed to working jointly with the city on the redevelopment of all of the Brown County owned parcels on this block. The synergistic relationship is rooted in everyone's desire to see the downtown thrive. Brown County is confident that this project and our future cooperation on redevelopment is aligned with the goals and objectives set forth by both Brown County and the city. With that, I am here to answer questions. I also have with me Sarah Sugdan, uh, director of Brown County Library, as well as Devin with the ADRC, director of the ADRC. Um, so if you have questions for us, feel free.

Good. Thanks so much for your testimony and for all the work on the on the project. Um, any questions from council, Alder Hinkfist, congratulations. What an awesome project. I mean, moving these together and changing the parking and really updating the downtown, it's awesome. The only question I have is whether or not if this does not go through and the building doesn't start that the property reverts back to the um being eligible for redevelopment if who's the question for for the city that the property would revert back. Okay. Meaning if that doesn't go forward we are able to change that

while the floor is open if we want to just direct questions to Mr. cheaters and then we can we can talk with staff after after we close things.

Yeah. So, yeah, uh if this project doesn't go forward, uh Brown County still owns the the parcel, the Bank Mutual uh building as well as the uh adjacent parcel, the old associated bank parking lot. Um we've been trying to market both of those properties for redevelopment. Um, we did have a a soft development proposal which we've shared with uh city staff. Um, and all of the parcels uh I think it was over two acres of land was was proposed to be developed and it did include a parking structure to support the development as well as the parking that we were are desiring for the uh the improvements to the library. Um, so if the PUD doesn't go through, yeah, the the county is going to continue to market market the property. The problem is if the if the PUD doesn't go through though, the parking that we need to support the ADRC and the other uses located within the library is going to be extremely difficult to meet.

Okay. And I was not referring to the PUD as much as making sure that we get the library improvements. That's what I was referring to. So, thank you. Any other questions? Yeah, Alder Hudson. Um, while you're here, um, I'm a member of the plan commission and I asked the question because the plan commission does not like parking lots. I I got that sense as sitting there. I'm a civil engineer and parking lots are okay by me, but they are not okay by plan commission and by people who want tax income and that type of thing. But I asked you specifically, you need the parking areas that you designated and how did you answer?

Yeah. So at that time we said that that was to support the ADRC clientele. Um so the folks that are the clientele of the ADRC again aging and disabled folks primarily over the age of 60. Um you know a longer walk is going to be more difficult for those individuals. Um, so the the addition of the surface parking lot on the north half of the bank mutual site along with the walkway through the uh the parking lot and the uh changes that we propose to make on street which again are not included in the PUD. We'll continue to work with the city on that. Um should enhance the accessibility for those folks um and keep that to a very short distance uh short walk for them.

Okay. Thank you. and that won the plan commission over and won me over just so you know about the parking lot. Okay, thank you Alder. Thank you, mayor. Um, just to uh kind of reiterate and I know so I was at the planning commission so there was a lot of discussion that the plan is and the hope is to develop the north side of the property, the northeast side of the property. Correct. Yep. Yep. So even though we're proposing a surface level parking lot at this time, that doesn't mean that redeveloping that in the future is out of the question. Okay. Yeah. If the right development proposal comes along that works well enough for both the city and the county. Yeah. Absolutely. That is on the table.

Okay. But in addition to the parking because you need a certain amount for parking, but there's still some property left that could be developed. Correct. Correct. Yep. Yep. And so what we've talked about with the city uh is that whatever happens with the redevelopment proposals um the county would seek to retain at a minimum a 100 parking spaces on all of the property that that the county owns on that block. Um so if there's a proposal for redevelopment of all of the property uh somewhere within that development, we would like a 100 parking spaces set aside for the county use. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Any other questions? Right. Thanks again for your work and for the testimony.

Yep. Is there anyone else who'd like to speak to this item?

Um, you Yeah. And then if you could just state your name and address for the council.

Jim Sanderson, 417 Cambridge Street. In 1980, I stood up here to ask the then city council not to approve the Boston Store Mall edition plan that would require the demolition of Cops Restaurant to become pay parking spaces outside the south entrance of that store. I had worked as a 19-year-old with Guism's referendum campaign trying to prevent most of the remaining downtown from being destroyed mostly for large parking lots. Fast forward 46 years. I am requesting this city council not to approve this proposal that allows for downtown Green Bay's unique stone exterior ski Lodge architecture building at 2011 North Monroe Avenue to become parking in an area with a lot of municipality owned parking lots already existing nearby. On January 28th of this year, I talked with a city planner in this building about the possibility of there being curbside parking put back into place on the east side of the 200 block of North Washington Street outside of the monstrosity Nova 8-story residential development that's being completed where the footprint of Cop's Restaurant is in the northwest corner. The city planner told me there's no need to change the east side of North Washington Street for additional parking because the parking ramps are never at full capacity. Basically, there's plenty of available parking in the four parking ramps, but people often avoid the parking ramps. In fact, there's a plan to possibly demolish the underused Main Street parking ramp, which is the same age as much of the Pine Street parking ramp. Brown County's government had a proposal

in the early 1980s to demolish the original downtown post office, federal offices, repurposed into the courthouse annex, county board meeting room that's directly across East Wall Street from the northern building to become a county-owned parking lot. Gemma, a man named Bill Mindle and myself put out a petition drive to get the referendum vote that ultimately saved that building from demolition. Former Brown County Sheriff Liam Pichek found a purpose for that current building eventually as the Brown County Law Enforcement Center. Incidentally, it was through Bill Mindle's website that I found out about this being on tonight's agenda. I was also at the county board meeting last year where this item was brought up. In the later 1980s, there was a county government proposal to demolish the severely neglected former downtown library on South Jefferson Street across from the courthouse for a county-owned parking lot. Guys, and myself were responsible for getting the referendum vote that saved that old library museum complex from demolition. Now, we all know that former library is now the federal courthouse and the former museum is various related offices. I think a lot of people were under the impression that the former bank building at 2011 North Monroe Avenue was purchased by the county. So, a company like Quick Trip wouldn't buy it and demolish that chalet architecture building that's appreciated for its duty by many people who live in this area. I fully expect the city council will vote to authorize a process that allows that building's destruction. But I personally want to tell people years from now when people see pictures of that beautiful building that I spoke out against it like I did everything I could to prevent Cops restaurant from ultimately being destroyed.

Thanks for your testimony, sir. Any questions? Thank you.

Anyone else on this item? Good evening, members of the city council, and I'd like to congratulate the new alders who are serving in this capacity. Uh, the organization that I work for, Downtown Green Bay Incorporated, is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the success and vibrancy of our downtown. My name is Jeff Marcus. I serve as the executive director. our organization and our mighty team of eight. We work out of the Bellon building, 130 East Walnut Street, Sweet 501. Um, I shared uh when when this plan became public uh at the plan commission, I wanted to visit with my board members and the board of directors of downtown Green Bay represent property owners, business owners. They employ a dozen people or a thousand people and they reviewed this plan and overwhelmingly they asked me to attend tonight seeking the county and the city to find synergy and work together to find a mutually beneficial way to accomplish this. And I just remind council members, you know, especially the new ones as the team that I work with gets to know you. If this city council and if the leadership of this city would not have built the city deck in 2009, Triber Foods might not even be in our city. They were offered a golf course and $5 million to build out on a county highway. But they believed in the city because they had been here for 75 years. And when it took two years to build that building, Associated Bank followed suit.

Shriber's corporate leadership led Associated Bank to buy a building, put 9 million in it, and move 500 people downtown. Imperial Supply did the same thing. Bought a building, put 9 million in it, and moved 375 people downtown. So, I mainly wanted to just I'm not here to really give you a history lesson other than downtown leaders who have been volunteering on my board for the past 25 years. They want to see this happen. And I brought some reading materials with me um just because I thought this meeting might go long and it's moving along pretty fast. I wasn't planning to use this, but I'm a member of the International Downtown Association. Throughout the year, I network with downtowns from around our country and I learn things and my co-workers attend and we are we're proud to represent the growth and the progress of of our downtown uh among many other uh metro areas in uh our country. Uh I just brought along wasn't even planning to use this the value of US cities and and center cities. It's the This is the 2026 trend report. Just received it in a newsletter from the International Downtown Association. And something that caught my eye in a variety of chapters where they talk about economy, vibrancy, identity, and resilience in this paragraph on identity. Downtowns are more than economic engines for the city. far more than just dense clusters of offices and housing. They are the beating heart of regional culture and identity. So Brown County, a population with $275,000 people are here because they want to invest $20 million in our downtown and bring vibrancy. And trust me, I've had meetings with the ADRC in the job center and the library. The vibrancy that will come out of this

project is significant. It will bring synergy, vibrancy, collaboration, and uh something that politicians love is cost savings. There will be uh economies because of of what they're proposing. Downtowns are rich with culture, historical, and recreational treasures that bring together people from all walks of life. So, as I finish this paragraph, think about the synergy that a job center and a library and the ADRC that's in 15,000 square feet. And if you ever went to Grounded Cafe and just saw the life in that building, the ADRC is running out of room and they want to be here. These cultural, recreational, and entertainment assets are not just major anchors for downtown visitation and experience industry. They are central to shaping the character of downtown and defining the identity of the entire region. What you have an opportunity to approve tonight will add so much to our downtown. We want to see this happen. This shouldn't be an argument. Just over 100 parking spaces. Shriber does have a parking lot. St. Brennan has a parking lot. I'm very confident that city and county leaders I I I I I hope that I'm not here with a solution as to how uh this will be overcome, but I would encourage you as new leaders in our city to work with the county and find a mutually beneficial way to make this project happen. Uh I'll close by saying that uh my co-workers and I, we like doing economic research and we we've done analysis on employee growth. We are just beginning to become vibrant now. Six years postcoavid things are coming back to life. And I have never been able to say this before, but right in this immediate neighborhood of the Brown County Library, there are 335 residential units under construction

within a block or two away. There will be people moving into our downtown. They will embrace what the Grounded Cafe, the new Grounded Cafe on the corner. This will be their library. Do we want a library that's old and dungey and we don't need to be there? Downtowns that have vibrant libraries contribute to an activated downtown. This week, our redevelopment authority approved another 140 apartments and 28 town homes, not to be built immediately on that former Associated Bank parking lot right across the street from this older Bank Mutual building. That'll be done in three phases. a company from Lacrosse that believes in our downtown. They are ready to go and they got the green light on doing 128 168 units over the next few years in that neighborhood. So, I'm proud of the direction of our downtown. This only helps matters. I encourage you to find a way to support this.

Thank you, Mr. Marcus. Any questions? All right. Anyone else? back so soon.

Back so soon. [laughter] Uh thank you, mayor. It's hard to follow uh Mr. Marcus as always. Uh first off, I want to congratulate the elders on your recent election. Uh that is no small feat and we all know that they're very challenging uh things to go through. So congratulations to each and every one of you. Also congratulations to Alder Profett and Hutchson and thank you to Alder Hinkfist as well uh for maintaining the integrity in the process. So appreciate everybody's willingness to step up. Um and I certainly want to thank the county because I think this is a wonderful proposal and I hope that the council sees fit to support it and approve it. uh spent time today with uh Devon Christensen from ADRC, Sarah Suggden from the library um and and Jeff Murkus talking about um the plan following the last plan commission and they wanted to uh kind of talk through some different things to see how this could look moving forward. I think it's important while you're looking at the plan to recognize that you're you're taking up a zoning item tonight. And so I absolutely support the plan, but like most developers, you come forward and you request your zoning as sort of the first piece of the pie because if you don't have the right zoning, you could potentially spend a lot of money on pre-development expenses that don't ever have the ability to move forward. And so, um, in a way, you're oftenimes encouraged to think about zoning outside of the actual project itself, but I do think it contributes a lot of value to the way that you think about this process. And there's a reason that the D1 zoning code currently does not allow surface parking. And it's because if you allow surface parking to remain permanent, um you won't have a downtown. And your downtown is an area of your city, for better, for worse, that holds the highest amount, uh highest value, best use, right, of property value within your community. So it is the property tax value of your downtown development that oftentimes supports city services throughout our entire

community. And if we always allow surface lots to remain surface lots indefinitely, you won't have the land to be able to do that. And so I think we had a really really productive conversation at the plant commission with Dan Teders. And that's I I I really appreciate his willingness to um understand where the city's coming from. And I felt like the plant commission was very uh compassionate and empathetic towards where the county was coming from. I don't get the sense that anybody opposes what the proposal, right? But it's what what's in front of you right now though is thinking about the zoning. And when when you make this decision today, if you approve the PUD, of course, there's from a process perspective, there's a second reading on this at the next meeting because you're changing the ordinance, but it's permanent. And that means you have no clawback mechanism. This is a permanent lot forever. 50% of downtown is surface parking lot right now. And so I would encourage you to think about how you create great downtowns. And I know that there's potentially we talked about at the the plan commission just the uh contingency or inclusion requirement of a development agreement that would come along with this the details or terms that could be ironed out and I know that there's some concern about whether or not that's a quid proquo. I think we've done things similar to that here at this body. So I would encourage this group some and I have an immense amount of respect for attorney coachart and the job that she does recognizing that you do have a second vote on this. One thing I would perhaps encourage is that you support the PUD but direct staff to look into not ways of like why we can't do things but how do we get it done and how do we um because their job is to interpret the law and I think attorney Kosher have done just that and she's given her opinion but I think we need to figure out how do we get to a spot where the city can still protect itself and encourage the right type of development and Alder Hutchson I agree I think the requirement around um or the need for that parking is critically important otherwise this may not forward, but parking can be solved in many different

ways and part of that is through structured parking, managed parking. Uh so I encourage again the support of the project. Uh but just asking that we continue to keep the door open to find a long-term solution for how that lot can turn into something more permanent. Thank you. Any questions for guest? I have a question for police chief. Alder E gave me this name tag. Am I going to get arrested if I uh walk out of here with this? [laughter] Ask forgiveness. Thank you, mayor. Thank you. Anyone else on this item? Anyone else? Motion to close the floor.

Motion to close the floor made by Alder Prit, second by Alder Dele. All in favor say I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. Floor is closed. Um is it Alder Hutcherson or Alder Profett who pulled this item? I did. Alder profit.

Um, if I could, uh, I believe there was some handouts shared by staff. Um, I had asked for the language within the ordinance to include language that specifically calls out these designated users. I think there has I hear the concerns about a long-term surface um, parking in D1. Um, but I also know that I want a vibrant downtown and to me a vibrant downtown means accessibility from zero to 100. Um, so I'm thrilled. I've enjoyed my time at the ADRC and the Grounded Cafe. Have lots of productive meetings there. It's nice and quiet. Um, so I'm very much in favor of this project, but I do think adding the language and I think everyone has it in front of them to just really call out th those uses, the the library usage, the job center, the grounded cafe with ADRC, um, is kind of sprinkled throughout and highlighted in yellow. Um, and that really to me just calls out that it has to be those uses in order to have that parking lot. Um, so I would defer to staff to add anything else that maybe is noteworthy from that.

No, I think you said that really well. We've been working with the county on this project for a couple of years now. Just trying to lay it out in the best case scenarios we can. You know, the county has been very committed to developing and they're going to continue to do that with us on this site as well. We think this, as much as we don't like parking lots either, right? This we believe is a pretty good use because of the age of the clientele with the Grounded Cafe and the ADRC. Um, so we're willing to look at that and I think we've laid a really good PUD out which would meet our needs for this project. Great. Thanks, director. Um, so you're offering

I would make a motion to amend um to include the highlighted language. I if I have to read it all, I will. Um but otherwise I think um attorney coach has probably been provided it as well. Sounds good. Yeah, I think um is there a second for that? Seconded by Alder Dele essentially just being more specific about the the future uses for for the property, naming the ADRC and the job center and and other elements. Um so there was a motion and a second to amend. Uh any discussion on that? Thank you, mayor. So, um, just and I think that, um, I was gonna say Alder Johnson. I guess I can still say that. Honorable Johnson. Um, right. That's what Yeah.

permanently honorable. He is now permanently honorable. Um, that he alluded to the like a developer agreement. And, um, my understanding from actually talking to older profit that, uh, that staff and so I'm assuming attorney coachart said that it's that it there's a legality issue in doing that. I just wanted to bring that out because it was talked about at planning commission. Um so if Tony Cochart could just kind of touch base on that, I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Coachard, any comments on that? Well, I think u Mr. Leroy would probably be a better person to explain it first, but I'm happy to weigh in. Mr. Leroy, you want to get a take a crack at it?

Uh sure. in discussions with uh the city uh law staff and recognizing that we have a parcel here 11-188 and seeing what that means for the rest of the block itself. Um there could be some ambiguities here as far as proco requiring that um certain things developed on a site. We're just specifically looking at this parcel well these two parcels but specifically the uses at 11-188 which is the old bank mutual site. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Alder. Any other questions or comments on the amendment? Grant,

thank you, mayor. Um, and I'm in in support of this PD, but can I, you know, refer or direct staff that if there is any other ways by the next meeting because we do have a second reading that we can do like former Alder Johnson mentioned, you know, yes, there's certain things we can't do, but if can is there other things that we can accomplish that goal and can you ponder that over the next few weeks and bring anything to us before the second or by the second reading if you do think of anything. Yeah, I mean I can certainly just commit publicly to directing staff to do that. I don't know if we necessarily need Okay.

um additional language. Um but happy to continue that conversation and see if there are creative solutions out there. Thank you. Any other comments on on the amendment? Seeing none, all in favor will say I oppose. Nay. The eyes have it. The amendment is adopted. Motion to approve amendment. Motion to approve as amended made by Alder Profett, seconded by Alder Dele. Any discussion? All in favor say I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. And that item has been approved as amended. Now we're on to the park committee. Motion to approve made by Alder Dele. Seconded by Alder. Items here to be handled separately. One.

One. Any others? Hearing none others. All in favor of approving the rema remainder of the report signify by saying I. I. Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. The report has been approved with the exception of item one. Your wish is Alder Hutcherson. Okay. Um, thank you. I'm not against uh the provisions in item one. Uh, I think we should shine a little light on it, though. Um, it's come to my attention that Oh, the lights went out. [laughter] Now they're on. Okay, there we go. Thank you.

Okay. Um, it's come to my attention that this is a parking area. It's a premier parking area. It's, and if I'm correct, tell me if I'm wrong, but it's by the pavilion. Okay. So, this is designating a $7 a day parking fee for that parking in that area. So basically if you're if you're pulling into the parking lot, it's just that smaller section to the left. It's closest to like the tilt wall. Just a little bit to the left. Yeah.

So Okay. Okay. That's kind of what I I wanted to talk about. Um and I'm sure that you talked about different costs. Uh one of the reasons people go to this wonderful park, it's affordable to families. I don't think $7 is going to break somebody for a full day. U but I'm wondering if there's any compulsion or would $5 a day I don't want to get nitpicky here but has any evaluation of this looked at a little bit different costs what the impact would be director ditch.

Yes. So, um, what we've determined is there's 69 stalls that we're proposing to dedicate for Premier Parking out of approximately 1,400 stalls. Okay.

Uh, so if we were to sell out every stall, every single day that we're in operation, I think we're in operation 101 days this season, uh, we would generate about $58,000 in revenue at $7 per day. Um, that's assuming you sell out every spot one time. So, I'm projecting maybe a 30 to $40,000 uh revenue stream, assuming that, you know, you have bad uh weather days when you're not going to sell out. Uh, but you also have days where on busy weekend days where you might sell a spot two or three times. Um, so if you bring the number down to $5 uh per spot per day, that just brings the amount of revenue uh projected revenue down. Um, I don't have a sense yet of um, just how wellreceived this is going to be in the public. So, I'm viewing this as kind of a an experimental year. Let's see how how viable it is. And I'm proposing $7 a day. Uh, we can always reassess that at the end of the season and determine how successful that was. Uh just because uh it's being proposed at $7 per day for this season doesn't mean we have to continue that for next season.

Okay. Um Okay. Thank you. And this people parking have to use the passport device which is pretty I use it all the time downtown. So then anyone should be able to use it because I [laughter] Okay. Um thank you. I just wanted to maybe shed light on it for the community that this is happening and why and it's a small portion and we're gonna just look at it.

Yeah. And just so that everybody's clear which spots we're designating when you first pull into the main parking lot at the pavilion, we have the big boulevard right down the middle. All of the parking spots to the left would be the designated premier parking and all of the parking lot uh parking spaces to the right of that boulevard would be free. Okay. And then we would not charge for ADA compliant stalls uh in the premier parking area. That would be free to those who need it. Okay. Thank you. Um I move to approve. Second. Motion to approve made by Alder Hutchson, second by Alder Profett. Um yeah, you bet. Um I think Alder Hinckas and then to Baker.

You know, we're always looking for other ways to bring in revenue. So to try this for a year, I think it makes absolute sense. the only thing I would ask for because I've gotten probably more calls on this in the last couple days than I have on some other things and it's like and you I'm sorry Director Ditch you made a point it's 67 out of 1400 so the fact that they're or 69 out of 1400 as long as that's really prevalent in the communication as we go forward. Thanks Alder Baker.

Yes. Um, I think this is a great idea as well. Um, one thing I have been hearing from the constituents, it's kind of 50/50, there's a concern, um, that while this is only 69 spots now, about 5%. What's to say this isn't going to expand, and that's where people have problems with it. Um, is there something we can do to um reassure the public that um this isn't going to become a um you know, cost prohibitive um idea here for a lot of people going for an affordable attraction.

Yeah. I mean, I think everybody here appreciates how how affordable Bay Beach is and and I personally want to want to preserve that experience for our residents and and for visitors. Um but Director Ditch, I don't know if you have anything. And I guess what I what I would offer is, you know, if we do make proposed changes to it next year, we can bring it before the parks committee and city council to vote on it also. Anything Anything else, Alder Baker? Uh that was it. Um as far as a startup cost, um we have the app, correct? uh is that a fairly nominal fee um to start that up as well as um all the signing um involved with that?

I think the signage is basically the cost of it all. Director Ditch.

Yeah. So the city already has passport system uh and we utilize it. So to just add this one parking lot to that um program is minimal costs associated with it. So the only real cost that we have associated with this would be for adding signage uh to clearly indicate which areas are premier parking and which areas are free. And that signage uh can be um built inhouse uh through our public works sign staff and then our own park uh crews can install the signage. So the it's very little infrastructure costs. Now, over time, if this is successful and and it does generate revenues, we can look at maybe adding a pay kiosk out there. Uh, but for right now, I you know, I view this as trial. So, we're trying to do this as economically as we can.

Do we know what uh an expansion module for this parking app is? Is it $1,000? Is it $10,000? What? Say that again. the expansion for the um parking app. Um obviously when you add areas, usually there's a fee to add other areas to it. Um what are those fees roughly um to add in something like that? I don't know if it's structured that way, but director ditch or maybe um director. So um uh passport doesn't actually have any additional charges for adding the additional. It would be a zone and there's no additional cost for that. Okay. Excellent. Right there. There are fees associated with usage, right, of the app.

Yeah. So that's that's sort of how they're modeled. Okay. Yeah. Additional questions. Alder Preston and Alder Morgan. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um question uh for Director Ditchight. Um, I had some concern from folks who live on East Shore Circle about this uh limiting parking so that people would then go to the spots on the street in that area. Can you provide any reassurance that that's uh or any idea if that would happen?

Well, I mean there's no way to predict that. Obviously, there is uh potential for that to happen and I'm sure that that does happen on the busy days already um when the parking lots are full. Uh one thing I will mention is with the addition of the new train ride, uh we are now bringing people to the far west end, which makes that parking lot over there more viable and reasonable than in previous years. So, we're actually hoping that more people park in that parking lot, which would then ease up the potential for parking along that uh road. Perfect. Thank you. And I'm making this up, Director D, but it's free to take it into the park, right? And then

Correct. So, it's free to take the ride from the parking lot to the main activity area and then you'd have to there would be a fee to take it back to the parking lot, right? Okay. Um, anything more? Alder Presley Morgan and then Rder Bush. Uh, Director Dish, I is there an option for people that don't do apps and stuff? I mean, I know people my age that are getting rid of their Packer and Brewer tickets because they don't want to use an app on a phone.

Correct. Right now, it would be set up with three different options. One is pay on the app. The other is pay through their website and then the other one would be text to pay. So if you don't have a smartphone, you can text it in also. And those are similar payment methods that we currently allow with our passport parking. Um the only thing that we don't have right now is the option for a paid kiosk because it's pretty expensive to purchase a kiosk and get one installed and we're not sure yet uh how well received this is going to be. Okay, I understand that for the present. I I do know that there will be people scared off by this though,

but texting is a good option for those who aren't familiar with how to use apps or use their smartphones. Yeah. Well, and I think the important point here to make too is like this is less than 5% of the spots that are available there. So, if you're not comfortable with the app, you just park in the regular parking lot. U Alder Bush, I just I just want to make a comment also u being on the parks committee. Not only is this going to make money for Bay Beach, if people get parking tickets, it's going to go to the parking division. So, they're going to make money on if there's parking tickets. So, I just wanted to put that out there. So, it's it's generating revenue for two different departments.

Yeah. Hopefully, we just get compliance, but yes, that is that is accurate. Um any other questions or comments? I think we had a sec. A motion in a second. Uh all in favor will signify by saying I. I the eyes have it. That item has been approved. Personnel committee. Motion to approve made by Alder Coffett. Seconded by Alder Dee. Any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor say I. I. Oppos. Nay. The eyes have it. And that committee has been that report has been approved. Public arts commission. Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Made by Alder Profett. Second. Seconded by Alder Ritterbush. discussion here. Seeing none, all in favor say I. I.

Oppos. Nay. The eyes have it. That report has been approved. U sustainability. We haveformational items there. Uh so those are included in your packet. Uh next up we have committee of the whole. Um this is for consideration possible action on the request by the department of public works to approve and grant a sidewalk builder license to Global Concrete LLC subject to approval by the risk manager. Um, Director Jon, could you just explain why we're doing this with committee the whole?

Um, so this application came into the clerk's office and um it wasn't received in time for the improvement and services committee and we are just uh trying to expedite it uh for the applicant just to help out because construction season is starting and so we're recommending um or requesting approval. Thank you. Motion to approve by Alder E, second by Alder Dele. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say I.

Oppose. Name. You guys have it. That uh item has been approved. Next, we have a couple moreformational items. Municipal court report and the building report. Um also a presentation that was offered at the redevelopment authority by our homeless outreach case coordinators. Um so that that's available in your packet and for the public. Uh next up is resolutions. Motion to suspend the rules. Motion to suspend the rules and take up these items with one roll call vote offered by Alder Profett and seconded by Alder Dele. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say I. I. Post nay. The eyes have it. The rules are suspended. Motion to adopt. Made by Alder Presley. Seconded by Alder Ritterbush. Discussion.

Seeing none, we'll use the board. And those are uh adopted unanimously onto ordinances first reading. Motion to suspend the rules on two. One, two, and four. Um that was made by Elder Presley. Second, second by Elder Dele. All in favor will signify by saying I opposed. Nay. The eyes have it. The rules are suspended. Motion to advance. Motion to advance made by Elder Profett.

Second by Elder Hankfist. Any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor say I. Oppos. Nay. The eyes have it. And those ordinances are advanced to a second and final reading. Now we're on item three. Motion to amend to reflect the changes from plan. Yes. Alder probably makes a motion to amend as reflected earlier in the meeting. Seconded by Alder Dele. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say I. I. Opposed? Nay. You eyes have it. And the amendment is successful. Motion to advance as motion to advance as amended made by Alder Pro Presley. Seconded by Alder Profett. Any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor say I.

Oppos? Nay. The eyes have it. And that item has been advanced as amended. Um, we're on adjournment. Before we get there, um, stick around for pictures because we we didn't get a picture last time with council. So want to make sure we get it uh tonight. So with that, entertain a motion to adjurnn. Motion motion to adjurnn made by Alderbush, seconded by Alder Dele. All in favor say I. Post nay. The eyes have it. We're adjourned. Well done. No alers. Thanks everybody.