Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Welcome, everyone. I call this meeting of the Grantsville City Planning Commission to order on Tuesday, May 19, 2026. It is 7 p.m. at Grantsville City Hall. We're at 429 East Main Street in Grantsville, Utah. We'll do a roll call. I'll start with Cameron.

Cameron Moulton here. John Montgomery here. Jason Hill here. Gary Merrill present.

Sarah Moore, I'm here. I'd like to invite you all to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you.

So about two months ago, we changed the format of the meeting and we found it to work quite well. So for tonight's public hearing items, we will follow this format. We'll have a staff presentation on the agenda items as they appear on the agenda. Then the public hearing and the public comment opportunities will be after the staff description of the agenda item. And then we'll bring that back for commission discussion and consideration. So during the public comment portion, We'd like to limit each speaker to three minutes. And if you would please state your name and if you'd like your address for the record when you approach the podium so we can record that in the minutes. And if you didn't sign in when you came in, please make sure that you sign in on the sign-in sheet as well. It's a requirement that we keep that information. And the commission cannot answer questions or engage in dialogue during the public comment.

We hope that your questions will be sufficiently answered during the discussion, the presentation periods.

So we will move to agenda item one, the presentation, and then a public hearing, and then the discussion and consideration of a proposed conditional use permit for Andrew Christensen. Christian said, I'm sorry to own and operate 10 men's gun works, a home based business that includes services such as firearm repairs, maintenance, restoration, purchases and transfers that are located at 332 West Apple Street in the RM7 zone. Hi, Shelby. Hi.

Sorry, I got something bothering my throat. I'm not sure what it is. Sorry. Timing is everything. So this is located at 332 West Apple Street in the RM7 zoning. Recently, we just did a master code update to where a home occupational was permitted as long as it met the criteria. What kicked this off is that this lot does not have the 100 foot frontage that was required. I believe it's a 70 foot frontage. 80. Thank you. 80 foot frontage. And so under the definition of a home occupation, that is where they can come and ask for a deviation to the planning commission. This was similar to one that we had recently approved. The home occupation ordinance further provides a deviation from the frontage requirement may be granted by planning Commission upon findings that are the adequate access and neighborhood compatibility are maintained as part of the conditional use permit review process the planning Commission must evaluate whether the proposed use can operate in a manner compatible with the surrounding properties and whether the reasonable conditions can mitigate reasonably anticipated detrimental impacts. Based on staff findings, we didn't see an issue with this use. We've listed all the suggested conditions, which are typical hours of operation, outdoor storage, firearms, similar to the ones that you've seen on the previous application. The business details, it'll just be Andrew. It's Monday through Sunday, 8 to 6 p.m. with expected 10 customers per week, which is under the allowed two customers per hour in the home occupations. You can see here is parking here, storage in the red, and then street parking as well. And then just the GIS. So here's the house, here's West Street, and here's Cooley Street. Okay, that's great. Any questions?

When we approved the other gun operations and everything else, that's what it was called. Was it a frontage exception to Duke?

No, so that one had come in before we had the criteria of the frontage and things like that.

How much discussion was there about the frontage? 80 feet versus...

There was no discussion.

No, I mean just when the ordinance was created. 100 feet versus 80 versus... I mean, was it a big deal?

No, I believe initially staff proposed 150 feet, but there was concerns that that would... Yeah, and so we had reduced it down to 100 feet.

Do we think half the homes have 100 feet or do we think it's still very few homes that have 100 feet?

You're probably at a tipping point where the home you'll start seeing less 100 foot frontages and you're going to start seeing more of 70 foot or less.

I'm just thinking existing.

So are you going down the road of adjusting it so it's not so restrictive?

Well, maybe not that, but just when these exceptions come in, how they could deal with really 80 versus 100, I guess. Let's try to get a feel for that.

How much without the access to the driveway? Without the driveway? Maybe we started the conversation with the concern of all the cars parking off-road in front of the house. Maybe we just... have further discussions after this conversation about an appropriate number of cars that could fit.

Approximately 46 feet. Four cars comfortably.

My thought is No? You go to my sugar house and there at the end of the day is the whole road, the whole streets are full of cars because of snow and whatever. My thought is It didn't seem that big of a deal for something like this where people parked in street parks. So I don't know. It seemed a little bit arbitrary, but the 80 versus 100 didn't seem to be, in my mind, a big deal.

Emma? Oh, were you done, John? Yeah. Sorry.

No, I don't think I have any questions. Jason? Not a question, just a comment. I think the intent of this was so that if we have less than 100 feet, it brings it back to us to kind of discuss, is there an impact there? I think with the amount of frontage they have here, they're indicating less than 10 customers per week. And with that much parking, I don't see that being a hindrance to the community. So I have no concerns.

Yeah, my only concern was just the frontage tube that I started looking at the map and see that the neighbor just to the west of him. Looks like his house is more towards the other end of the street, so I don't think if cars are even parking to the west a little bit. This is just an easy variance to give that extra 20 feet. I agree with John. I wonder how many houses even in the R7 zone right now have 100-foot frontage.

It's true. I don't even know if I have 100-foot frontage.

Maybe I do.

Okay. Any other questions for Shelby? Okay, nice full open this up for the public hearing portion of this if anybody has comments that they'd like to me. Feel free to approach the podium. Hey, I Don't see anybody read Did you have a comment or a question. Okay. Is there anybody online, Nicole, if they're online and would like to make a comment regarding the proposed conditional use permit for Andrew Christiansen to own and operate Tinman's Gunworks at 332 West Apple Street, please have them, or please raise your hand if you're online and would like to make a comment. Nobody? Okay. Not seeing any... Interest or opportunity, anybody taking opportunity to make a public comment during the public hearing period, then we'll close the public hearing on this item. We'll bring this back for consideration to the commission. So, Gary, did you have any concerns with the suggested conditions of approval or anything that you'd like to add?

The only thing that did stick out in my mind just as a firearms storage. I mean, that's maybe outside of our purviews. Storage of the firearms is at the business of how they're stored and secured and maintained.

Okay. Is the applicant here? Would you like to approach the podium, please, and state your name?

My name is Andrew Christiansen. Should I just answer the question? Yeah. So I have a gun safe in the space that I'll be using. It's marked in red. I had to have that approved by the ATF as well as an approved means of storage. It's also in a locked door. It has a heavy door around it. And then I have IDS through Simply Safe as well with a motion sensor camera and glass break sensor for the two windows. And then sensors for opening windows as well. All there to help protect firearms. Any gunsmithing going to be going on or just repairs and maintenance restoration that that would fall under the definition of that would be there when it just so you guys are aware there's no. Ammunition in the space, and there will be no ammunition space. If I have to test fire firearm. That will happen outside of city limits and public property. So, none of that will be associated in there.

If that answers your question sufficiently, Gary, is there any detail that you want to include in the conditions based off of those answers? I don't think so.

Just looking at the suggested conditions of approval, I thought that was my only, just wanted to double check on the storage and all that.

Okay. Super.

Are you good then? We'll move on to Jason.

I have two concerns and I think his plan What he's going to do is work for him, and I don't think it's going to be an impact to the community as far as the neighbors. So I have no concerns and no additional comments on the conditions.

Thank you.

John? You voluntarily brought up the ammunition storage for sale, and we mentioned that with the last approval. So you're perceiving it as a concern. I think others do. So I just add that there would be no ammunition storage inventory for sale.

Yeah, absolutely not.

As a condition?

I don't have the proper FFL to sell ammunition anyways, so I only have the FFL to work on or buy and transfer firearms. That's the only thing I have.

Okay, great.

That's all I would add.

Thank you. I think my only comment would be that I think it's ridiculous that you have to disclose where you're storing these firearms in a public document. I thought the same. So that's my only comment.

We tried to be as very ambiguous as possible.

Yeah. So that's all I have to say. Thank you.

Thank you.

It's 250 years. We should be past that.

Thank you, Andrew. Thank you, Cameron. So we will entertain a motion if there's no further conversation.

I move to approve the consideration of the proposed conditional use permit for Andrew Christiansen to own and operate Tinman's Gun Works, a home-based business that includes services such as farms, repairs, maintenance, restoration, and purchase transfers, located at 332 West Apple Street on RM 7 Zone, with the conditions outlined in the staff report. The following modifications that no ammunition storage for so the site.

To ask me to add to that we're going to grant a variance for the frontage as well.

Yeah, because the arms and so in the very city.

I think that's what the yeah, that's what the whole that's what application is more correct.

But thank you very that's good to find us that both of those things will be noted and then so as a conditional use to the property, right? And that could be if there's any nuisances or complaints that we get, that'll be reanalyzed. You may have to come back here. All right. Thank you. Okay. Do we have a second? Second. Jason. Thank you, Sean and Jason. Thank you so much. We'll take a vote. All in favor? Aye. Okay. This is unanimously. Thank you so much. Okay, we will close item one and we will move on to item two, which is a presentation and a public hearing and the discussion and consideration of a proposed conditional use permit for, I'm sorry, I may mispronounce this, Felicia.

It's Felicia.

Felicia, oh. Yes. Say Utah spelling, I see. Yes, definitely.

Felicia.

and Joseph Mengram to own and operate a farm stand for the sale of eggs, produce, and sourdough bread at 463 South High Pasture Way, located in the R-121 zoning district. Hello, Shelby. Hi. I feel like half my staff report's missing.

I'm going to pull this poll back up.

So Felicia will have Shelby present what the conditional use is covering, and then we'll come back to you, okay? I don't know why, I think the camera's over here somewhere. So I'm sorry if I'm looking at the screen, I try not to do that.

There we go, sorry. Oh, thank you. I'm so this is a proposed use to approve a small-scale farm stand from their residential property according to the submitted application materials. It would include the cells of produce egg sourdough bread. The stand would operate Saturday 8.00AM to 12.00PM and anticipate 25 customers per day. During operating hours. This is on high pasture way in the R 1, 21 zoning. The parking is 35 feet wide by 50 feet deep. Again, just baking bread. You know, standard kitchen appliances, no chemicals except for cleaning chemicals. 8.1 for the home occupation. Conditional use permits intend to preserve the residential character of the neighborhood. The ordinance also establishes a minimum frontage of 100 feet. I'm in the analysts a proposed request is for low intensity residential farms and operating on the limited weekly schedule applicants operating 8AM to 12PM on Saturdays. Produce eggs and homemade bread the proposed use usually is generally low in operational intensity. And. The 4 out the 25 customers of the day in the 4 hour operating window may create parking and traffic. Considerations of some surrounding residential neighborhood. Under chapter 7 the grants will city code conditional uses are not presumed appropriate merely because they're listed within the ordinance each application must be evaluated individually. Okay. We do have the home producers direct sell with the state and the exemptions from the regulations. Here's the property. And then here is where the animals would be. And then the farm stand. So parking. A little farm stand up front. Looks like some good sourdough bread.

You go. Yeah, you go back to where the farm plan was going to be in relative to the road in the house.

Yeah, so it'll be right in front of the driveway. So if we pull up this see this black. Okay. So again, just this triangle right here.

Any questions. And when you have questions.

No, no. So this this is only we have specials only for this cup. Business but it's not this all right.

What do you mean this isn't this or are 121.

There's an arm. What zones allow. This is an overlay zone. For the home business.

So this allows it's just a complaint came in and so we have to send it to planning commission. Yeah, so it's not that it's not allowed to a permitted use it's just only receive public comment I shouldn't say complaint public comment. Then we have to send it to planning commission. That's so it is allowed in the in our 1, 21, yep, it's permitted in all zones.

What exactly is permitted.

I want you to patients so and I can put the definition of a home occupation for you if you'd like as a different from the arts.

It doesn't differ from our 7 are you talking about family production.

No, I just, the gunsmith.

Because he only had 80 feet of frontage instead of the 100 feet of frontage. That's why he had to come.

But didn't we just uniquely kind of zone that area of town for home businesses? The RM7? No. Yes, we just, wasn't it recently? Not this zone, but where the gunsmith was just located.

So here's the definition for the home occupational use. And then B is where the frontage requirement was. But it's the same for every zone.

Every zone in the city.

Yep. They have to meet this criteria.

So the non-compliance is the frontage, and we're not sure. No one measured it, but it's less than 100 feet.

Not this one. This one's fine. We just received a public comment. So it meets the code, but when we receive a public comment, it just has to come to Planning Commission.

Are you thinking of what we discussed with the other one that had two front yards and the code didn't allow the buildings in the front yard?

The suburb property appears to have

foot minimum requirement are you on that's number one no it says it in here too well right here in the main room presentation under it says on the third page and the under applicable considerations based on this mapping okay

It appears to have finished below the hundred foot minimum. That's incorrect.

Yeah. Possibly.

Probably was my fault.

This one was like a hundred and somewhat, 110 feet.

Yeah.

When I measured it on the GIS.

So we disregard that.

Yeah, that was my apologies. That's okay.

We'll ask everybody participating online and in the recording to disregard. Shelby's there. Just the first sentence of the third paragraph.

No, you're fine. I wasn't following.

Applicable code considerations in the toolkit. Okay, that's all. Good catch. Thank you for reading off that. I noticed that too. Jason?

Right now we're only approving on this conditional use permit that this to have to occur based on what they've applied for for that floor window on a Saturday, correct? Correct. The I think some based on some of the previous discussion we've had further up people that have asked for this kind of thing. I think we just stipulated they stick with those kind of conditions are not permanent power. This is a temporary temporary facility. And if they're going to only request for those hours, I think that the comment that we received address some concerns on on traffic and wear and tear. And I think on the roads, and I don't think this is going to be something that will impact that. So I think what they're asking for, I will support.

Thank you for stating those reasons. That's good. I've got to remember to make sure we have those reasons in the discussion and in the minutes. Yep. Thanks, Jason.

Sarah, theoretically, if we have a comment every month, Groundhog Day, right, we'd be doing this every month if we have a complaint.

Yes. Yep. During the summer, we see a lot of these. Right. Okay, Gary, you have any questions for Shelby?

I'll address what I was thinking as well, because I know one of the comments was, I mean, he was thinking of parking, but I'm like, if they could open up part of their side yard, it seems like there's plenty of room, not only in the driveway, but on the side of the house to get additional drive cars in there if they needed it for parking. If it was, if cars became a nuisance that way.

For some reason, I didn't get the email, because we just read the complaint.

Is the, were you about to do that? Yeah, we got late right before the meeting, but was it sent on the condition of?

The comment came in for the first notice we sent out, not the second notice. And so since it went out with the first one, that's why it's here. And so it was about the traffic.

They didn't want it to. Do they want to be part of the public record or do they state specifically to not?

They're all part of the public record.

We don't need to say the name if we just read the content.

Is that fine, Tyson?

Yeah.

Thank you, Tyson.

Can I read it?

Yes, please. State names or addresses.

State my name?

No, don't state it. Oh, don't state it.

Okay. I am opposed to commercial additions in that subdivision for the following reasons. The streets and traffic flow in that subdivision were not set up for commercial traffic. All traffic into and out of that subdivision must travel through other developments, adding unneeded traffic and wear and tear on other city streets. Access to and from Cork Street in the planning of the subdivision would have eliminated many of these problems. Parking could become a problem. Thank you for your consideration.

I'm just trying to weigh the

weight of the complaint, you know how serious is there is there a code or rule being broken right now don't occur.

I think that's I mean it's one of the that's that's it's tough, but it's my statement was I think there's concern there, but there's nothing behind the city ordinance that would require us to do anything different help. So we listen okay listen, but we don't judge.

Okay, Gary do you have any other questions for Shelby. OK. Fantastic. Thank you, Shelby. OK. So we will open this item up for public hearing period. And if anybody would like to make a public comment regarding this, please approach the podium and state your name. This is the public hearing for the consideration of a proposed conditional use permit for Felicia and Joseph Mangrum to own and operate a farm stand. at 463 South High Pasture Way in the R121 zoning district. Okay, I don't see anybody approaching the podium. If there's anybody online, would you please raise your hand so you could be allowed to talk? Okay, nobody online. Okay, we'll close the public hearing and bring this back for discussion and consideration. Do you want to go, Cameron?

Yeah, I just have a question, probably for Shelby, just so I understand. So currently they're operating under permitted use. So what makes them come in and have to apply for a conditional use permit? And is there a fee that they had to do with this because a complaint came in or a comment?

It's a conditional because it's a farm stand.

Yeah, it's full. So it's a conditional because it's a farm stand that... as well as uh when we receive a public comment chapter seven does require that um that we have to bring it to planning commission if there's any variance no just any public comment okay sorry i'm trying to i was trying to get holiday oil on my

And so is there a fee? Because a comment came in, they had to pay a fee to have us come talk about it because someone complained about something they were doing that's completely allowed. Okay, that seems okay. All right. That answers my question. I don't like it. Okay. How much is that fee? $200. $200? So every time someone would make a complaint about this, homeowners potentially on the hook for $200? Mm-hmm. Oh, my heavens. It's a lot of sourdough, right?

It is a lot of sourdough.

Has that fee already been paid?

Yes. We did try adjusting the code at one point in time prior to the majority of you, but it was...

There's a problem there then, right? Because couldn't somebody then just bury someone in fees making arbitrary... complaints?

Well, no, because that fee is a one-time fee. And so, you know, let's say you guys were to deny it, then they could, they could appeal your decision to council. No fee is paid. Then if council denies it, I believe they can appeal it to district court.

Let's say this one just goes through, but then they file another complaint in 15 days. Is there another permit? Okay.

No fee.

So one time.

One time.

Okay. Still not ideal, but okay.

Are those comments, is that only if it's a comment to the negative? So if someone comes to support and you still want to do some stuff to confess if there was a comment that was received? The city then pays them $200.

I mean, the code doesn't specify positive or negative. It just says any public comments.

Interesting. That's something that we can talk about after. Yeah, okay. No, that's good. All right.

Yes, we definitely want to have a conversation about that. Thank you, Cameron, for pointing that out.

That's all I have. Thanks.

Discussion item. Gary.

I don't have anything. Okay. Jason. This is just a thought I had after what Gary said about parking. I think just for the applicant, this is a conditional use. And as long as parking became a problem with the residents around there, that would be something that they would need to consider. And so maybe opening up parking on their property might help alleviate that if there was a concern there. But that'll be something that would trigger a revisit of this. But outside of what we're here, I'm supportive.

Okay. Felicia, are you still there? Felicia?

Yes, I am.

Okay. Hello. Thank you for participating. I'm very pleased to know you. So I think the question was, would there be customer parking allowed in your driveway? Definitely. Okay. And is that

Yeah, I just, it's more of a comment just to make sure that they're aware that if that, if there was complaints that would come back to the city or something. For future impact. Yeah, future impact. As long as they manage that, I'm good.

Okay. So to conclude for the record that this complaint didn't rise to the level, in my mind, that it's enough to take any kind of adverse action.

Absolutely. And honestly, I don't typically like to project my own feelings on these things. However, I don't feel like 25 people when that between the hours of eight noon is any more than a Saturday morning yard sale. And it's interesting that somebody would be concerned about having such traffic that would is probably less than the Christmas lights that we see on Quirk during the holiday season that I love. I love those lights, but it has caused an accident and it has caused quite a few near misses and could potentially be a concern in the future. And nobody seems to complain enough to bring that here either. And that is a dangerous situation, especially when there's snow on the roads. So having eight to 12 operation. Oh, Felicia, I am curious. Is this totally unmanned? Is this like an honor system type of oversight?

Sorry, my phone was cutting out a little bit there.

That's okay.

Sorry, my phone was cutting out a little bit. Is that a question for me?

Yes, Felicia, I was wondering if this is a totally command stand.

Yes, it's an honor system. Yes, it will be an honor system.

Do you plan to have any type of security cameras in place? Yes. Okay, that's good to know. We're just concerned that you're putting an effort out to help the community and then somebody might take advantage of that. But totally unmanned farm stand. And people only stop if they are interested on what they see when they drive by. Are you advertising this at all?

Unlikely have, you know, like... maybe a post on Facebook or, um, like signs on the corner that would say farm stand this way. But like I said here, it would only be like Saturday mornings and no, nothing more than a typical yard sale would bring.

Right. Or a children's lemonade stand, which we see all the time and I love, and I strive to stop at every one of them. So I, I do appreciate the, uh, entrepreneurship and I don't have any concerns. So we do have some suggested conditions of approval as we are considering this conditional use permit. Are you aware of those suggested conditions of approval?

Were they just like, you know, bringing people into the that was an issue for the parking?

The parking was a conversation we had here at this meeting this evening. The conditional use permit suggested conditions of approval include only operating as described in the application materials. The hours of operation limited to Saturdays between 8 a.m. and 12 p.m. The sale should be limited to produce, eggs, sourdough bread, and similar home-produced agricultural or food products. No permanent outdoor structures associated with the farmstead shall be permitted without additional city approval and that there's in my recollection there's in the city code we don't approve buildings with foundations and front yards so so no permanent building no amplified sound music or outdoor advertising displays. Customer parking shall occur on-site whenever possible and shall not obstruct neighboring driveway, sidewalks, or public streets. The operation shall comply with all applicable business licensing requirements and applicable provisions of the Utah Code relating to home producer direct sales. The operation shall not create excessive traffic, noise, odor, or other impacts detrimental to the surrounding residential neighborhood. And then any expansion or significant modification of the operation will require additional review and approval by the city. Are you aware of those and do you agree to those?

Yes, I do have a question. My plan from the beginning was to only operate two to four days a month. If I decide to forego like a Saturday and maybe do like a Wednesday evening that week instead, would that be okay?

Let me see the question. Sorry.

So right now, her conditional use permit only states Saturday that she's operating. If she decides to forego Saturday and operate on Wednesday, will that be allowed? Or does she need to list days of operation, other days of operation on the permits?

I think specific days of operation would satisfy that. So the neighbors have reasonable expectations with the reasonable division.

So could it be something ambiguous as to three days a week, 8 a.m. to 12 p.m.? Or no more than three days a week?

She's saying the evening, though. Felicia, are you wanting to do more than one day a week? Or just one day a week, but maybe.

Yeah. Yeah. Like I plan to only operate two to four days a month. Sorry, my kids. And so, yeah, if I decided to forego like a Saturday morning and do like a Wednesday evening, like four to eight instead. Yeah.

something where we just said they have four consecutive hours a week. No more than one day a week. No more than four consecutive hours. It's being very prescriptive, but I don't know if we even need to go that far.

Maybe it's a little tight on the condition. It's going to loosen it up. Yeah, probably be a little bit more allowable. Some more allowance given to the hours of operation unless there's a

I went for four because that's what she asked for, but I'm open to...

I like bread, so I... Well, I think the problem is, right, whatever we do here is a condition. If a neighbor doesn't like it, they'll point to the condition and say you're in violation of the condition. So the looser or more leeway we can give Felicia here, the more leeway she has to put an unmanned stand in her front yard and sell bread. Just remove the day.

Can we just take out number two altogether?

Yeah, I don't...

Because it's a man have hours sunset. I think that neighbors should have an expectation about when this place is going to be open. I think that's a reasonable condition. But, you know, something so stringent that it's only four hours a week. I think it's too stringent. But, you know, if it's a open Saturday through Wednesday.

What about no no no no earlier than eight no later than sunset? Take that out like if she wants to leave her still let's say she has an emergency and she had to leave her stand up past noon and the neighbor calls and complains and she's got to go through this rigmarole because she got a complaint. So that would be my proposal is no earlier than 8, no later than sunset is what my suggestion is. Shelby, did the time come from her request? Yeah, I don't care, but she said the four hours. Yeah, I know.

I just... Can we put 8 p.m. or 6 p.m.? Sunset is vague because in the wintertime, it's 4 p.m., and in the summertime, it's 10 p.m. Yeah, whatever feels better.

Between the hours of 8 a.m. and 8 p.m.?

And that follows the nuisance codes.

There we go. That sounds great.

Eight to eight.

Saturday through Wednesday or?

No, Sunday through Saturday.

Police, yeah. Hours of operation shall be limited to 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. That's what I would say.

Just do that. And then it gives her the latitude to put out her stand and not have to worry about taking it down and getting in trouble.

Start with broad allowance and then narrow it down.

If there becomes a problem, yeah. Let's address a real problem if there is one and That's how, I'm sorry. It's for her own good.

She can limit the hours to keep the complaints, I guess, you know, leave it to them to work it out. But if you just do eight to eight.

I'm sure you lost your whole profit margin paying for that permit. So let's let her, leave her stand up.

Well, but this also, for my camera's proposing that it takes care of her if I can't make it Saturday and I even want to do a Tuesday afternoon or a Wednesday, at that point, it, The ability to adjust is hers.

She doesn't 20 she doesn't 10 hours a day that she's at her own peril of another.

Good good conversation. Police yet do you have any other comments that you'd like to the Commission to consider.

I don't think so. I just appreciate all the comments and all the support. As many of you probably know, sourdough takes, you know, 36 hours to make. So it's a lot of time to go into all of this.

Thank you for your patience.

I think we will then entertain a motion.

I'll move to approve the approve the consideration of the proposed additional use permit for Felicia and Joseph main group to own and operate a farm stand for the sale of eggs produce and sourdough bread at 4.63 South pasture way located in the R 1 21 zone with the conditions outlined in the staff report with the following modifications of the hours of operations being only limited to 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Monday through Sunday.

Fantastic. Thank you, Gary. John, seconds? Okay. All in favor? Aye. Passes unanimously. Okay. Thank you, Felicia.

Thank you guys so much. I owe you all sourdough. How many do I bring down? You can't do that.

Just got us in trouble.

I appreciate it. Thank you so much. All righty. Thank you.

You too. Thank you. We will close item two and move on to agenda three, which is the presentation and then a public hearing and then discussion and consideration for the recommendation of a proposed amendment to the Kenneth Pawson subdivision and the proposed commercial final application for holiday oil located at 794 East Main Street in the CG zone. And so we will... begin with the staff presentation on this agenda item.

All right, sorry, the PDF is being mean to me. So this final plat amendment is final and preliminary plat. is the development of the holiday oil commercial site just adjacent to Maverick. It is on the southwest corner of Main Street and SR 112. It's in the CG zone, which is an allowed use. Let's zoom out so that we can review these plans. So Main Street here, Maverick is over in this corner. And then this is what the plot originally looked like. There was existing home here. And then I believe there was an existing home here. And then you have like Canton City and a few other places here. We are amending the plot. Main Street here, Maverick here. They're dedicating the right-of-way for Main Street. They have an access in favor of Lot 2. So whatever comes into Lot 2 will have access off Main as well as SR 112. And this access easement is in favor of Lot 1 and 2. We've beat this one up pretty good. And they've been working with UDOT as well. So we have... And the vehicle turn analysis coming in, showing that they could make the turns. Here's your fuel pump, fuel tanks holding the fuel. And then we have a large park strip with the curb and gutter. And then we have a car wash here showing the turn radiuses. And then they have like a little drive-through food pool and dill. It's going to look beautiful. It's going to have trees and flowers and shrubs and it's going to look really nice. They're going to have a six foot tall vinyl fence along their west side and the south side of their property. And then this north and east side will remain open.

Those tanks are underground? And then you talked about with the turn radius so that the entrances and exits are in compliance with the UDOT standards according to 112 and 138.

Yep.

Is this using both of those lots or just the one?

Just the one. Just the one, okay.

It just seems big. I just didn't realize it was that big.

It's because they have to set it back so far because of the right-of-way. because eventually 112 and 138 will be 117 foot right away. So they've set their building back further to accommodate the widening of 112. John?

The only question is, how come there's not a vinyl fence factory in Grantsville?

There's your next project, I guess.

I don't have any.

Okay, Gary, do you have any questions for Shelby?

I think so.

Okay, Shelby, we'll then open this up to public comment then. Thank you for that staff presentation. We will invite anybody who would like to take advantage of the public hearing to approach the podium, make comment. As you do, please state your name. Not seeing anybody approach the podium on site. If there's anybody online that would like to make a public comment regarding the recommendation of a proposed amendment to the Kenneth Pawson subdivision and the proposed commercial final application for holiday oil located at 794 East Main Street, please raise your hand online so you will be allowed to talk. Nobody? Thank you, Nicole. Okay, receiving no public comment during the public hearing. We will close that and bring this back to the commission for further discussion and consideration. Are the applicants here? Would you want to approach the podium and state your name so you can answer any questions the commissioners may have?

Yeah, my name is Brent Neal and I'm with Holiday Oil. So we've been working through the city for a couple years now before Shelby got here with the rezone a couple years back. So we're excited to kick this off and keep it going until the end. So I'm here to answer any questions you might have.

Okay, thank you, Brent. Jason, you have any questions for Brent?

Not right now, no.

Okay, Gary?

No.

Hey, Cameron.

How long does it take you to build this once you put a shovel on the ground?

What's the time frame? Five to six months. Yeah, construction, four months. And then it takes us about a month, month and a half to get everything set up. So yeah, five to six months. So we're trying to open up by the end of the year is what we're pushing. So that'll be great.

No questions, John.

I was really hoping there would be semi-parking here. We always, even today, we had a semi on the side of the road coming into town, and that just causes problems. Not getting it, though, huh?

Yeah, and we talked with the city in UDOT, and UDOT asked us to improve the shoulder, because right now they currently just park right there on the east side of that shoulder, and UDOT doesn't love that. So with us and our setbacks, as Shelby mentioned, that will take that away, unfortunately. Yeah.

That we don't want so much point.

It's better than being on the side of the road. So I'm excited that that road will be widened at some point, maybe. So it's a little bit safer. I don't know if I have any questions or concerns either. If this gets approved, when do you think you would start construction?

So we still have to go through with the staff and planning. So we got comments back today from DRC. So we'll address those as fast as we can. Get those resubmitted to keep continuing on with the review process. And if it was our ideal situation, July is what we're pushing for so we can open by the end of the year.

Okay.

And we have to do UDOT improvements. So by October 15th, we have to get those set in before their moratorium kicks in.

Great. Okay. Sounds good. I don't think we have any other questions for you, Brent. Thank you for your time.

Appreciate it.

Appreciate you. Okay. Then if we don't have any other discussion points, we'll entertain a motion.

I have one question. I'm sorry.

Oh, no, please.

So just because I haven't, I didn't see this. So this, it's an amendment to the Kenneth Fosston subdivision. So what is the, what is that?

So the Kenneth Fosston subdivision, let me pull it up here. It says, That affects quite a few lots. It was the Fossens who wanted to subdivide. So here is what we're looking at where it says Wagstaff. So one, two, three, four, these five lots here. And so then, oops, you have the Kenneth Fossens subdivision here. You have it here, here, here. um sorry just these ones but it was just a subdivision of land and then um holiday oil or wag staff purchased it um rezoned it and now they have to do a plat amendment because they're amending that plat and they're adjusting the lots okay okay

Okay. That was a good question. Thank you, Cameron.

Can I make a motion? Please. I move to recommend approval to City Council for the proposed amendment to the Kenneth Fawcett subdivision and the proposed commercial final plat application for holiday oil located at 794 East Main Street in the CDG zone with the conditions outlined in the staff report. I'll second.

Okay. All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you, Cameron and Gary. We will close agenda item three. Move on to agenda item four. This is a presentation and a public hearing and the discussion and consideration of a proposed preliminary flat application for President's Park townhomes located approximately at 9 Green Street and Washington Avenue. So we will open with the staff overview. Here we are. Hi, Shadi. This is going much faster than I thought it was going to tonight. It is. I'm very optimistic. See, I'm going to win, Gary. I'm going to win. I thought it would be fun, too.

Um, so this was, um, approved back. So I'm just going to give you a little back history. So the entire project was approved back in like 2021, 2022 ish, um, with town homes, the school, and then single family homes, uh, multiple phases of single family, um, In 2025 Travis the developer came and amended the MDA and the townhomes layout to allow up to 71 townhome units. I believe he was asking for 17 additional units. This was approved by council in 2025. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to die.

Was this the one that the commission denied and then it went to council and council approved?

Correct. They gave us the larger lots along Washington Avenue and on the southern portion, and then we have the smaller townhomes. It meets what was approved at Planning Commission. And staff doesn't have any issues with it. So it's pretty straightforward. We're just going through the preliminary approval process.

Okay. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions for Shelby?

Shelby, from the original when this was SC Billers and now to Jay Thomas, you said they're looking for how many more townhomes in this section? Because I know this was previously already approved under the SCU.

So the furniture on these homes were reduced to accommodate the increase.

So are these lots that are bigger, are they going to be more cottage style houses? Are they still townhomes?

You're going to see cottage style here.

So what we're being asked to today is it was already approved for the, we're approving this design based on what was already previously approved about the number of homes that were allowed in the area.

Correct. And the same layout. Yeah. The conceptual layout was approved at planning commission or at city council in 2025. Now we're here with the preliminary plat asking for planning commission's approval.

Anybody have any other questions for Shelby? Okay. And we have a public hearing with this one too. Yep. All right. Thank you, Shelby. We will open this up for the public hearing period. If anybody would like to make public comment, please approach the podium, state your name. I don't see anybody in the room that would like to have their comments recorded on agenda item four. So we'll ask anybody online. Raise your hands, Nicole is saying no, nobody is online. It's not having anybody want to make public comment on agenda item four. We'll bring this back to the commission for further discussion and consideration. Does anybody have any questions about these? Do you want to know what the frontage is on each of these units?

I just have a question. So just how we got here. So this, I assume this property was originally zoned as something else.

It is a PUD overlay, so it is zoned R121, and then they came in with a PUD overlay and got that approved.

Okay.

Back in 2021-ish, 2022, right there. And then as it swapped hands, it's continuing to develop out, and now we're here with the townhomes.

So is the standard procedure like once they get that PUD overlay, the land becomes more valuable? And that's why it changes hands? Or is it that a developer decided not to do something? Or what happens as far as value when that happens? Come to the podium. I'm just curious on how this works and how people make money doing this.

Please state your name. My name is Travis Taylor. Thank you, Travis. So this is part of, like Shelby said, the overall President's Park development that was approved as an overall PUD. Everybody's financial situation is a little different. There was a partnership that took this down from Joe Cange, who owned a lot of property around here 10, 15, 20 years ago. And I don't know what all the issues were, but they approached us a couple of times and asked if we were wanting to partner with them or buy them out. And so, you know, over time, we just worked the deal and kind of took their place.

Does it make it more valuable after someone's done the work for that to happen or does it not change that much?

For the PUD? Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's basically... It's a rezone to a specific set of conditions. So it would be akin to a rezone. You want to do a rezone to get the land available to do what you want. And typically that is a, hopefully it's an increase in value.

Yeah.

It can be a grueling process. Well, that's what I was wondering.

If someone's going through the work, then what's the upside if they're getting rid of it at some point? Yeah.

You'd like to think that, you know, 50 years ago, when they were zoning everything and coming, you know, they could see the future and predict everything, but you just can't. Okay.

That's all I had. I was just curious.

No, that's good. Good conversation. Okay. You may want to just stay up here. I just want to make sure that everybody gets their questions answered. Travis.

Travis, what's your timing on this? Assuming approval from City Council would be your timing to...

I guess there's still some city process to go through in getting the final plat. We'd like to get started as soon as possible. We have a parade home in our... just south of here, it would be that road that's on the left runs into it almost, just a little way south. And that's part of a group of grade homes. So, you know, ideally, we're not going to be able to make that on this. We'd like to have something that, you know, as much variety of product to talk about when they come. So we'd like to get started on this, you know, as soon as possible.

Is market analysis showing that with the density that you're asking, with the increased density, is there a desire for this? Are you projecting pretty good sales in what your takedown is going to be?

Well, so the problem, the issue we had with the original was it was a really wide townhome that you have a hard time making anything work in that footprint. They were seniors? They had started out as a senior, and so they were 40 feet wide or so. It was just a difficult product. I think they were having a hard time figuring out how they were going to make that work, the folks that we bought this from, just that particular product. We certainly didn't believe in it. It was a stumbling block. It was a real stumbling block for us in buying the whole project, knowing that we had to, it's almost like we're going to take a loss on this and we're going to have to make it up somewhere else. So these are more just traditional style townhomes. The patio homes are traditional style patio homes. I guess you guys missed out on the renderings, but I mean, the renderings look fantastic. It really is gonna be a nice little place.

Slab-on-grade basement, two-story townhomes?

The townhomes will be slab-on-grade. Okay. And the homes, we're gonna give them an option. It could be that somebody wants just single-level living or two-story. We've got some flexibility in there.

And what is the frontage on the townhomes?

Those, I believe we ended up with 22. And then the front load, which are on the right hand side of that drawing, they're either 25 or 26.

That's right. These were our first rear loaded. Oh, I remember talking about that. Yes. We had a hard time because we couldn't decide what was a front air and what was a rear air.

You know, it's funny. People have their own preferences. The trade-off between the front load and the rear load is the front yard, the front load with the front door and garage door, you do have some private space in the back and they can be fenced in. And we have these shown as fenced in. The other ones, which are around that middle area there, the rear loads, they have kind of a neat community feel where your front door's facing front doors and there's a lot of interaction. So there's a little variety there. I guess we'll see what's more in demand in Grantsville.

Shelby, do you know if these are still our only rear-loaded?

No. No, we have other rear-loaded townhomes that have been approved.

Do we? Yes, we have a subdivision that's rear-loaded, and there are definitely other rear-loaded townhomes.

Okay.

It's probably not the best name for them. It's going to come up with someone better. Alley load.

Alley load, yeah.

Hey, do you have any other questions? I do not.

No, just curious ballpark price point on these. I'm just curious. I don't know. That's okay.

Yeah, I don't know. We're a little bit of a roll of the dice here.

Were you trying to make some of them moderate income? affordable housing type of thing.

We had talked about that in the beginning. There was a lot of conversation here. There was a lot of conversation.

You've been here a few times. Yeah.

Would that change your mind? I would like to hear good news of lower cost units, but that's not part of our review here, so...

Okay, I think we're good, Travis. Thank you. Any further discussion? Are you sure you have no other questions for Travis? Okay. We'll entertain a motion.

I move to recommend for approval to City Council for the consideration of the proposed preliminary flat application for President's Park townhomes located approximately at 9 Green Street and Washington Avenue with the conditions we have outlined in the report.

Thank you, Jason. Thank you, Gary. All in favor? Aye.

Can I make one more comment off the record?

I don't know.

On the record, on the record. I just have to say that this is night and day different from my experience with the Planning Commission when I went through. I really appreciate the whole discussion tonight. Supportive of the residents, the gunsmithing, the discussion about broadening the hours on the farm stand thing. And I'm really surprised that Wagstaff didn't beat Maverick. They usually beat Maverick everywhere, but it doesn't surprise me to see that they're here. But this was... So this is a great discussion. What's that? It's not.

We have a great group. And you're already approved through the city council. I don't know what we could have done but approve you, honestly. But you had a lot of patience with the city.

We comply with the city council. This is 100% in compliance. So there was really no flexibility for us without coming back. But I just wanted to say, it was great to hear this discussion tonight. Well, thanks for investing in our community. We appreciate it. Well, thank you.

Have a good night, Travis. Okay, we will close item four and move on to item five. Sorry, Brett. I feel like I should have asked for any input on that one since the council had already approved it.

But we didn't approve this part, right? Yeah, you'll see this. Recommending that you do.

There you go.

Agenda item 5 is the approval of the minutes from the March 2024, or sorry, March 24th, 2026 Planning Commission training meeting. There is any questions or concerns? Great job. But that was not the right one, is it? I read through them because it was our very long discussion on, but there's two of them. There's actually three listed on our paper.

There's two. So April 21st, 2026, and then May 5th, 2026. It's at the last page.

Just the title says March 24th. That's why it was confusing. Sorry. Yeah.

Sorry. I copy and paste. I do that too. It's on the agenda correctly. I should double check.

I have to do that all the time with my own work. I am sorry. Let me restate this again. I am sorry. Agenda item five is the approval of the minutes from the April 21st, 2026 regular planning commission meeting. So for that one, does anybody have any comments or questions? We'll entertain a motion then.

Are you approving both of them or just the one?

Just this one, and then we'll do the next one.

Make a motion to approve the minutes from April 21st, 2026 meeting. Jason, thank you.

John, thank you. All in favor? Aye. Okay, thank you. And then we will consider the approval of minutes from the May 5th, 2026 Planning Commission regular meeting. Anybody would like to have a discussion on those items? Is there anything that you found? That looks good. Okay, we'll entertain a motion.

I move to approve the minutes from the May 5th, Cinco de Mayo, May 5th, 2026 Planning Commission regular meeting.

Thank you. I'll second. Cameron and Gary. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Okay. We will close on five and move on to item six, the report from city staff.

So I like Mountain Dew and root beer, Gary.

I'm still on your time. You've got a long time to go.

I wanted to give you guys an update. So We finally, or UDOT finally issued the approval of the signal at Sheep Lane. So Cache Valley should start working on that here shortly.

Oh my heavens. So there'll be one at Sheep Lane then at Parachute Lane? Yeah, because it's almost, oh my heavens.

Okay. Congratulations. Talk about traffic. Wait until both lights go away.

Oh, I'm waiting for the trains to start rolling. That's what I'm waiting for. Oh yeah, and then the train train.

Yep, train tracks are coming in.

When does the berm start getting fixed?

I'm sorry, say that again. The train tracks are getting put in and soon we'll see them going, so it'll be exciting. We approved a plat at Lakeview Business Park that was just signed recently. It's off of Snoway. So Sheepling, Snoway, and it's just kind of in the back. It was two larger lots. So that's exciting. We're getting close with McDonald's as a location. Well, that's big time. Yeah, yeah.

Is it over there by Silvers?

I cannot confirm or deny where it's at. Sorry about that.

We're calling Narges are coming.

They are coming.

It'll be a 121 lot with 100 foot parking in front.

Yeah. So did you guys have anything for staff to take back?

What's completion time frame for City Slopes Park? That's a good question.

shouldn't say this with Tyson here, but there was a whole group of kids on top of that pump track just looking down like, let's go, let's go. I pull up to my truck and I'm looking at them.

Did you hang them on? No, I didn't hang them on. At least they're not crawling through the sewers anymore. I'm sure they were doing that. But it's going to be phenomenal.

Are you doing any work on that, Beth?

No. No.

It's going to be an attraction, I think, for people besides just the local. It'll be a great area to walk. I walk at each noon until they put the trespassing signs for a while and I stop and I'll come back.

It's going to be really nice. It'll be a nice ball field, nice area for the kids to play. We still have other phases of that hole because it's so large, right? I can't remember, was it 30 acres there? I'll say it was 30.

Richfield had like six phases when they did their pump track and skate park and all of that. Yeah, this is really cool.

Sorry, I'm not the project manager on that one. I guess they're 50% probably, but it looks pretty good.

Shelby, I do have one thing to go back, and I guess it was from our previous discussion on these conditional use permits and the situation we're running today. I'd like to maybe have you guys noodle over something or we can look at if someone is compliant with the the statute and just because they have to come here because there's a comment to look at what that how we mitigate that because i think it is crazy for someone to say they have a comment and then someone has to pay 200 to go get hurt because they were compliant otherwise until that that comment came in and maybe we'd look at some kind of waiver if it's if it's within compliance if they have to go and ask for something that's not within the statute and it does require variance or conditions permit because of that, I think that's different. But in this case, when individual that was doing what they did or could do within the city ordinance and then had to come here anyway, and I, I think it's a lot to ask someone to spend $200 just to come answer a question on something like that used to be 600 tacos on Tuesday.

So it's a lot of money. Who has authority to waive the fee?

I think we have to put that into the city ordinance. The fees cannot be waived. jason i think you had a was it you that said is it only a bad comment or is it a good comment we can put some markers on that 752 applications these are not refundable refundable but is there a way we could do that to where if it if it is if they are compliant with the city code but because it gets triggered by this that they would not be required to pay a fee i'm asking can see

Is he on right now?

These do take staff time. It pulls them away from other projects and projects that are likely paying development fees to compensate for the time the staff spends. And so anytime we waive a fee like that does have the potential of leading into our bandwidth costs.

So Tyson.

I just had a little bit of heartburn when someone wants a fruit stand or a food stand and they're trying to do something like this for $200. But that's just me. Not to mention their time. They should charge. Yeah.

It's just one fee and then not charge again because at least we offset it once for $200, but it still doesn't resolve that concern. People keep coming back.

So initially what Stafford proposes is that if there were less than two public comments, as long as they're meeting the ordinance and the requirements, then it could still be processed at staff level instead of coming to Planning Commission.

So that would be changed to the code that you need to recommend. I think this body would be open to recommending that.

Because your time costs money here too, right? So we bring that in here, we talk about it for 25 minutes. Is that more of

people on staff than it is for her just to stamp at her office yeah right if we're talking about the cost that's way cheaper yeah that's a good approach to me so tyson what qualifiers on a situation like that would you suggest because i'm thinking if it's a if it's determined a public nuisance then we would go through this process but otherwise if it's just a complaint

The two complaints that could be handled by staff. Give staff more latitude, I would suggest.

All nuisances start with a complaint. So we don't really know until the end of the road where we're at with if there is an actual nuisance. We'll say that when most risky for the city to come to the board. Perhaps our code enforcement officer could go out and take a look and investigate a complaint before it gets brought here to see if there's any merit behind it.

Yeah, that's the problem. There's nothing wrong with it, right? So even if it just went to staff, they're sending something back to the complainant saying, here's your complaint, here's the city code, here's why they're compliant. Right, and then I guess they still could challenge that, but the risk would just be silly.

But then it won't be arbitrary. It won't be somebody just saying, oh, it's a lot of traffic. It would prevent people from... How much is a lot of traffic? I mean...

It's a lot.

Can you... Would you be able to find quickly the definition of what's a nuisance for the city?

Not to spend a lot of time on this, but I just wonder... That's a big section code. It's not just like...

Could we take that and just make a checklist and say, okay, if you're making a complaint that you want the city to investigate as a nuisance, identify this. And then if the code enforcement officer goes out and finds evidence or no evidence, then it would further escalate it. But if there's no evidence, then there's a potential to save people time and money and the city time and money. If the people... making the complaint is owning what they're complaining about. And there's real reason for a nuisance complaint. And then it should certainly come through the process. But if we could just nip it in the bud and take this and make a checklist, like he's complaining about a lot of traffic, but what is a lot of traffic? Is it a lot of traffic between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m.? Is it a lot of traffic that is creating excessive noise? Is it 20 cars? Is it 10 cars? Is it two cars? It's like barking dogs. What is a nuisance with a barking dog? Dogs bark all hours of the night. They should be pulled inside during the evening hours so it's not affecting other people's rest hours, but some people sleep during the day. I just...

Didn't you say we get a lot of these? No. No, you don't. That we got a lot of

Well, no, what I meant was we get a lot of farm stands and things where people are just selling, I mean, like yard sales. They pop up every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. We don't really filter complaints about yard sales through the planning commission, and it just, to me, this is like a yard sale, except unmanned.

I guess maybe we could just say that we're open to suggestions.

So, okay, there's 22... And so if somebody is going to make a complaint, we just have them check what this is. And then we can create some qualifiers that is like in a, in a rural or a rural, in a neighborhood of whatever zoning, you know, the zoning from R7 to R21. If they're booking more than 15 cars a day, then that maybe that is a nuisance, but I don't know. I don't know how we would get that back on a agenda to talk about and consider how that happens.

World of traffic enforcement, right? So we've got a citizen that can issue a citation, essentially. They're serving as the officers. How do you know?

Isn't that quite arbitrary? You're speeding? How do you back that up with any evidence?

You'd have to be able to, right? So that's the reason why they would be required to join. Usually it's not a speeding offense to So if it's a situation where it appears as though there's no evidence or sort of subjective evidence about whether there's been a violation of the code, perhaps it could also speak to their side of things if they're the complainant. There's one side of it to say, well, you can't make an anonymous complaint and then just have everyone else clean up the mess. Right. Prove that you're innocent at that point.

The complaints should have merit behind it, right?

Can people make an anonymous complaint that would constitute action here?

That, what we saw.

Was that anonymous to me?

No.

The dogs were the last one that was anonymous. I remember that, yeah.

So it would be interesting to create some rules and see what some other jurors do. as accountable as the person who would have to show up, risk losing their conditional use permit, risk the damage to the business, as opposed to

Yeah, because that would be just obnoxious. I didn't mean to take assault on a rabbit hole. My big thing was even if we had to come and bring it to approval, I'd say don't charge them the application fee to say you are in compliance, but because there's a comment, you still need to come here and have it addressed. That still meets the requirement that we still address what's there, but it doesn't penalize the person for being compliant with what the code was. If they're asking for variance from that code, that's different. That's what I was trying to say.

they only have to pay the fee if they lose.

Expand on that, Jason. Tyson, I mean, there's still staff time that goes into that. I would be more than, if someone's going to file a nuisance slash complaint, that much like us, it's got to be backed up by code. What are you signing to cite the nuisance? What code are you signing that they're not complying with? Then we bring this to them, to this Planning and Zoning Commission, to whomever, If you can't cite code, cite law, then it's just opinion. Then we have nothing.

So maybe we do this checklist and give it to the person who's making the complaint. Say, give us proof before we spend staff time.

Well, it sounds like staff's going to tighten up the rules maybe this evening.

seem to have been violating their open hours of the night or something like that. They have to be able to at least come and testify to what they've seen to indicate that this is something that's been open all night long outside of their business hours or more traffic than what is allowed.

Well, I was going to make a complaint once in a city that I lived in. I went to the code and I'm sure if I did, you know, that it had any teeth in it. Did you get any work? Well, I didn't do it. The property owner ended up kicking the people out. But anyway. We can go into our own investigation with the court enforcement if we get some complaint.

But the expectation would be you're willing to show up and tell the Planning Commission or City Council, whichever board is hearing this, what you've seen and observed to

okay so can we revisit that at some point i mean i think the commission members might be willing to take that all the way from over there i think that's further than the six foot designated safe area but um some of that paint was pretty pretty cheap or the burden of proof on the person yes and that's why I think we give them a checklist and say tell us how you are justifying your complaint you know and then we can spend city staff time on it but I I don't know what that looks like, but you guys can, can think, look at the nuisance descriptions and come up with some qualifiers and send them to Shelby. So we can say, well, if it's really dogs barking, then what does that mean? This is what, you know, further, you can't just complain about a dog barking. It has to be, you know, during nighttime hours, more than one dog and constant. I don't know how to qualify it, but. To me, that just would make more sense. It would save us all time.

It would take some time to build up, but it would almost be like a complaint form where you had drop-downs to say, what is your complaint? Is there, and what's the justification? Actually go down and actually force them to say, it's this code, this thing, and I can select it, and then I'd actually be able to point to it, because if they can't, like to your point where you said, if you're going to look and say, I don't like this, well, that's an opinion. That's not a reason to say it's not information. But anyway, that's

Right. Oh, so you want to close that agenda item and move on to the, oh, we did the open forum for planning commissioners. We'll do a report from city council agenda item eight. Is that what you mean, Cameron?

Well, that's what I was mentioning. Thank you. We met last night, and I'll just say the reason why we met last night that have children that are graduating tomorrow afternoon. We had one city council member who was going on vacation last night at 9.30. He left our council meeting early. So we wouldn't have had a quorum if it had just been me and Jeff. No mayor and no two other council members. So we wouldn't have been able to have him.

I've never heard them table.

Thank you for your.

I've never heard them table mine.

Table yours?

Yeah. I'm just going to update you about the rodeo. Oh.

We got, we went off on a tangent. A little plug-in for the rodeo. Everyone should attend. It's expected. It should be a great time.

It's going to be a good time.

Shelby, thanks for your efforts with that.

Oh, thank you.

Yes. It's a great community event.

Yes.

It's good leadership. According to the budget. Not Bolton.

I was going to expect to go Bolton. No funding from Citi.

And a lot of donated hours, Shelby.

Is that going to be, I think that's good to share with people in the current environment that no city funds were used. I think that'd go a long way. However, that could be communicated on a poster.

Oh, I've said it multiple ways in multiple different instances.

I didn't know that until now, though. I look at the city website, so I didn't know that. So I think that's... It was self-funded in the mid-term.

If we took it out, it actually made our budget look worse by $10,000. So, anyways.

I don't know.

I think it's... So it's a good thing. Yeah.

Well, thank you for your dedication and leadership, Brett. We appreciate it. It's a thankless job.

We did have, you know, quite a list of things that we discussed. One thing you'll be interested in is the Wellstone General Paddock Plan. That was really split, not split-split, but 3-2 here against It's not the right time. And I do think it will do some good to revisit general plan and if the public feels like back and forth for double the base, right? As to, you know, what that is and the cost and everything associated with it. But, you know, as it stands right now, it's zoned that way and we felt like it should continue to do so.

It is a challenge. And again, I mentioned I was looking at purchasing a home and I wanted a half acre lot for the space, the view. I was going over on Williams Drive, I think, just riding there on my bike, and I saw 12 trucks in the backyard of a half acre plot. And I had a fence, and none of them were running, but it was like, it was a mini junkyard. And so it ranges, you know, from just people doing nothing to some nice ones to crap like that.

And welcome to America. Yeah. And I would be glad for it as well. I mean, to each their own, right? Yes. And that is the American dream is to own land, to own a home. And so, I mean, people can do with it what they want, but.

Within the code.

Within the code. Absolutely. And that's why we're here, right?

Is there a limit to how many trucks you can park on your street?

Not in your backyard.

There might be something in that chapter 70s that we could probably register.

unless you're a farmer these aren't ready these don't even have that's interesting unless they're used for farm purposes yeah it's not my neighborhood so i'm not gonna right that's code enforcement people are going to complain about it they're going to determine what they're complaining about then they have to show up to defend their complaint against the homeowner i like that accountability okay um

back anything else thank you bison thank you for your guidance tonight shelby one revisit anything after i cut you off short i am sorry i was focused on entering and stuff so i was like did i not finish um yeah as rhett said we just hope to see you all there for the rodeo it starts at 7 p.m friday the 22nd and And 7pm Saturday the 23rd you guys can pick up tickets now until the rodeo or pick up tickets at the rodeo and you can purchase purchase them online only they won't be no cash or in person purchasing and And we have an exciting event on Friday. And we are just waiting on the answer if we get the flyover with the parachute jump with the flag drop on Saturday. We did fill all of the events for our first rodeo, which is huge. And then... For those who are familiar with the rodeo and know the Wright brothers that live in Beaver, we have Jesse Wright coming out Friday, which is huge. So NFR winners, PRCA winners, things like that. So for our first rodeo, we have done excellent stuff.

Now, I heard another city advertised their rodeo on the radio. Maybe we could get a council member to call into the radio station and say something good about the city.

I did look at reaching out to advertise on the radio and it just wasn't in our budget.

Well, that's why we call up and just say something good about it and it's free advertising. No. 26 of us could call up the radio. Yeah, so.

Didn't know what rodeos really were, so I asked him if he competed in the barrel racing.

Oh, that's funny.

That was a dead ring.

I don't know if he got radios or rodeos. Oh, women do the barrel racing. Yeah, I've learned that.

So I did learn that. It's embarrassing.

But at least you could name it about in a rodeo. All I knew was the mutton butts.

Yeah, bull rodeo, bear bronc, everything.

Yep, everything, bull bronc, saddle bronc. We need a bigger arena. How many does the arena seat? The arena can seat right around 1,800 people with the bleachers that we got. We got two extra from the county. Then we have the tailgate seating that we sold. We'll have roughly 70 people in tailgate seating. The facility itself is large enough to house more people you know so we'll have 140 we'll have 100 sorry 160 contestants there last night and a great rodeo stock too oh yeah yeah it's uh what's the uh broken heart rodeo company with ben german so it's a rmpra and then he has bowls that go to the pbr and the rca and things like that so locals locals yep

This is a kickoff, isn't it, to the Pro-Royal Circuit? It's one of the first events, right?

Yeah, one of the very first.

Good job, Shelby. Do we have a Pro-Royal Queen? Do we have a Pro-Royal Queen?

Yeah, we...

I've had the mayor talk with Ms. Grant, the Ms. Grant's bills, as well as counsel to in the grant entry to right on the, to enter the arena, the attorneys in the facilities, no. To safely enter the arena in a vehicle.

That's amazing. So much punning and effort.

What about food vending and stuff like that? Yeah, so we have seven food trucks. We'll have a barbecue food truck, which is amazing. Amazing food truck. Pizza, got the taco man. local we got kiwi cones still water like the lemonade and the watermelon and then we got cowgirl coffee and then smash burger and another burger place i couldn't get a burger truck for both nights the same one so i got two different ones for each night um and then we have 10 vendor booths that's great Are the food trucks going to be outside of the ticketed area?

So general public will be able to...

They'll be inside the facility. So when you buy a ticket, then you can go in and buy food. Oh. But they can't bring outside food.

So is most of the parking along Clark Street?

There's going to be a lot of parking along Clark Street, Main Street, Bowery, but the parking should be in the north parking lot. It's kind of right at the end of Bowery. There's a big parking lot that we've graded off north of the grounds to get there.

Actually, I've got it pulled up right here.

All right. So this whole parking lot here is for parking. So just five inches. It's a small town. Just walk.

Make it part of the experience.

Yeah, we anticipate, like we're shutting Clark Street down from Race to Bowery. We anticipate it being... a pretty large radius of people parking.

Very exciting. Very exciting. Any other questions for Shelby? No. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Shelby. So excited. So excited. Ton of work. Can't even imagine how much work that was. We appreciate it. Okay, well, we will entertain a motion to adjourn.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Make a motion. HAB-Masyn Moyer- All in favor.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Thank you, Jason and Gary.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- And you got the Merrill Nelson book. HAB-Masyn Moyer- That's the one you need.