City Council - Special Meeting

You're welcome. at the beginning that year. Okay. Are we ready, Alicia?

Okay. Welcome everyone. This is a special work meeting um for the Grantsville City Council. Today's date is Monday, May 11th, 2026. This meeting is being held at 429 East Main Street in Grantsville, Utah, and electronically by Zoom. and the time is 6:00 p.m. Uh we're going to start with the pledge of allegiance. If you would please rise for the

I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. We'll start with a roll call. Council member Butler present. Um Thomas here. Dalton here. Skinner here. Williams here.

And I am Mayor Heidi Hammond. And we will begin this meeting with agenda item number one, a discussion of the memorandum of understanding with the Towilla County School District. Um, Jeff, do you want to take the lead on that? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Um, so maybe to give a little bit of history. I just said Jeff. I'm sorry. You're okay. I've been called worse.

So, no offense, Jeff. I was meaning Jake. um maybe give a brief history of this and I think many of the council members are very aware of the situation that we have uh with our growing population and parks and specifically the park that is shared between this the the toilet county school district uh and our local our our teams our Grantsville teams the baseball team softball team and the um soccer both soccer teams actually and how that's presenting more of a challenge as we continue to grow and occupying the same space and trying to coordinate that with new programs that are coming in and wanting to to use those fields. And it's been a it's been, for lack of a better word, a a handshake agreement uh for years to try to make that work. And that coordination happens with a meeting in the early spring every year with all of the coaches, president, members of the school district and um principles and our our city representation as well. Christie has been involved in that. And so the the challenge lies in trying to get it to work from year to year. And and so um at the start of this year, um I started looking into what we have, what agreement we have in place and when we do not have one, which is which is creates some risks in itself. If you know we talk about insuranceances and you know if we have a high school kid break his leg in a game is that high

school responsibility or is that this you know or if something happens over there during the time that the school district is there. So just the exposure that we have there and so needing to find a a solution and I think uh having had several conversations with members of the school board uh the district is is wanting to look for a way to find a solution over there. uh as are we obviously because it's a it's a problem that we have and it's a growing problem each day that we add new members to the community. So the there's a there's a memorandum of understanding that's in a draft form. The the question that I wanted to ask the council is how do they feel regarding this topic specifically? Um, what what direction do we want to go from a city standpoint to to assist with trying to find a solution for our kids to be able to play? All of our all of our kids to be able to play, not just those that go to school at the school. Christie, can I ask you a question? Um, has the high school or has the school district stopped taking care of the fields or is the city who is taking care of them directly right now? I know that the agreement was it was going to be the school district, but I don't know if that's happening.

They were mowing it this morning. I saw them mowing it this morning. So, well, Ian did call me and say that they were not going to spray it. They were not going to fertilize it. they were not going to ariate it now that we had made this understanding that they would not be using the fields next year, but he agreed to mow it until they were no longer the high school was no longer playing, which will be the end of this week. Right. Okay. But I I know I have had to have some city employees go over and take care of the field. Um the weed eating hasn't been done still. Um not not against I'm not putting that against you. I'm just saying that was the understanding is that they were going to take care of it.

They're just doing the minimal mowing now. Yeah. So, the weed eating along the back fences is I mean the weeds are foot and a half tall. Um I know that the city employees have had to go over and take care of items as far as maintenance of those fields even though they weren't supposed to be having to do that. Is that correct? Um well again we'll need to pick up on the fertilizer and if we ariate we don't have an ariator right now so it won't happen right but um I think they have done what they said they would finish doing besides those things so okay cuz I've had to call Colton twice

the water should always be us anyway no not about water to mow yes because the dandelions were so high in the outfield that they couldn't run through them. So, I had to ask Colton, could you go and run? And they did. Yeah. And they did. So, that was being taken care of by the city, not the school district. Okay. Thank you.

So, there was a number of items that were thrown around to to discuss. I mean, obviously obviously Grantsville is not too far away from a high school and so um you know uh the school district has its own financial challenges that they're working through as far as you know truth and taxation and some of those things. But this this there's been some discussion. There's there was some ideas thrown around to purchase the property and see if they could just build what it what the school needs, which is a soccer field and softball field and a baseball field. That would alleviate the issue entirely. Um make it go right away. Um, you know, obviously we are developing scenic slopes and that will al it won't solve the issue regarding the high school portion of it, but it would alleviate some impact from a little league standpoint, but we're we're a little bit away from that that end result. So, yeah, the question I have for the council is is what are their thoughts regarding this? Um, you know, there was there was questions of the possible purchase of of the park itself um so that the school district could expand the current um I guess um the amount required is about 45 acres, 45 to 50 acres. and if they were able to capture the park in that it gets them closer to that requirement.

Um so that idea was thrown out or around and so I I know obviously that you know the park is where we meet and have all of our celebrations but you know is it big enough for us? Could it could there be opportunities? I'm throwing out a lot of snowballs here. So, um, you know, could that be something that is discussed? Um, yeah. So, one, the immediate issue is to get an understanding with the school district. A little bit frustrated to hear that that, you know, we had a we had at least an understanding what was supposed to happen and that's that's not happened. Um, you know, the other component here is, you know, our kids are both both programs actually are in the playoffs and, uh, and to take away their, you know, homefield advantage is something that I wouldn't want to do, you know, um, in future years if we're telling them they they've got to find another place to play. There's been some conversations that they would probably push them to the peak and then have to develop those fields up enough to be able to to support that. There isn't a regulate there isn't a regulation high school. Well, there's a spot for one, but it would need a bunch of work. So, they would have to the school district would have to do that to to make that work, which it sounds like they're willing or open to do. Um, but yeah, we can't get, you know, the grass fertilized here. That's frustrating. So um so yeah getting a level of understanding and and putting it onto paper I think we could find some the the discussion with the board

members is trying to find the middle ground and then I think it's two-prong thing for us is find a how do we patch the hole in the boat and then and then figure out the timeline to buy a new boat. So, um, is kind of the who buys the new boat? For who buys a new boat. There you go. Yeah. I have a question. So, I mean, I know we have a couple weeks left of school. You said they're in the playoffs. So, how much longer do they need? Just this week. Just the end of the season. But also, it sounds like you're saying now because they're the ones who drafted this memorandum of understanding, but now sounds like maybe they don't want to deal with that with us. Is that what we're talking?

No, they do. the the the every one of the board members that I spoke with, they do um what that translates to, what that agreement is, the agreement as it is, we I I wouldn't agree to. So, the way I've read it, it's just it it's so one-sided that and it and really in the end, it's about putting the kids on the field. But I, you know, I I don't mean this with any disrespect to the to the school district, but they've really benefited from not having any fields here in Grantsville and not have to pay for anything. So, I mean, all of those other Stansbury, you know, toilet, they have they have new fields and those will cost something and they have something over here that doesn't cost anything. And and now that we're asking for something

that it should cost something, we're already uh being difficult, I guess, is the is the word that non-ooperative. Non-ooperative. So, I guess we're talking about like putting a patch in the boat and initially when we saw this, we were going to like try and hurry and get something so we could kind of have it in place, but we're not gonna get anything in place now. It won't happen this year. So, we need to like now we're like, okay, how do we buy the boat? You know, and who buys it? And so I think I mean in my opinion it's up to them like what are they going to do? I mean I don't know which way are they leaning. Do we have any idea like or do they want to buy it? Do they I know you guys have talked it would benefit them to keep the same situation that they have. I think it would benefit our kids keep the same situation that we have.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Geographically it's the best place for them to hold their programs but whose expense

right? Well, the other component is is if if we continue what what we've been doing, it just it's going to become increasingly more difficult because we have now we have other recreational programs that want to use the high school field and we're telling them there's not a place to play yet and that's hard to do for because it's being utilized by the school district. So, Any thoughts on that?

I've I've thought for a long time that that property we should sell it to the school. Makes sense to them having use it and we do a new city park somewhere that's I mean that place is congested. I also don't want the kids to have to drive to Desireette Peak for practices for I mean that road's dangerous as it is.

Yes. um having to go there for practices and different things. Like I mean my kid will be out of school by then, but I don't want any kid driving to practice to Desert Peak. It just doesn't make sense when you got everything across the street and we're at a point where we need a probably a bigger area for our events and different things. So, it makes sense to me to go that route of selling it to the school and using that money from the sale to um whether we speed up scenic slopes phase two and get that process going or find or you know down behind Clark Farm do something back there. I you know different areas like that. So,

let me give you just a little more background if that's okay on the selling of the property. So, two years ago, I went to the district and I I offered that suggestion. I said, "Look, we just simply when when we were a city of 4,000 people and a 2-way high school, this worked. When I was growing up, I mean, it was okay. It was okay." Well, we've quadrupled our number of residents. We've quadrupled our number of students in the high school. And now, this area has just become all the more dangerous. I mean, those of you who are here remember the danger of a foul ball in 1990, let alone in 2026 going on to Cherry Street. So, I said, "Look, this makes the most sense to me. I'm not the smartest person, but to me, it makes the most sense for you to purchase this property and do just as you said." And they said, "Well, let us let us get back with you on that." And so the answer came back that they were hiring a consultant for the district that was going to analyze what the best thing was to do with Grantsville High School and the whole entire school district um as a whole as far as their properties. So they came back after the consultant had been hired and they had done this big study and they said we do not want to purchase the fields because uh the consultant has um guided us that we should just buy a new property for a new high school. Even if we add on to the present high school and have this have the property across the street, it doesn't change the fact that we have almost 4A um enrollment numbers and we're sticking them into a 2-way high school. So, your gym is still going to be small. Your auditorium is still going to be small. The commons area for, you know, the cafeteria is

still going to be too small. So the best thing is going to be to buy a piece of property and you know at at the time the discussion was in 2028 which is now only two years away we will try to bond again and that will be a high priority to get a new high school for Grantsville because we understand that we're taking up all of your space and this isn't working. We will then move the junior high to the high school and the junior high will become Grantsville's next elementary school. Okay, great. If that's what you're if that's your plan, then that's great. Well, now it's turned into um we're 8 to 10 years away is what I'm being told by school board members. 8 to 10 years from obtaining a new or going out to bond for a new high school in Grantsville. So the question is is they do not have the parking for their own I mean they're taking up all the city parking across the street. The church parking is becoming almost a nightly issue because they're taking up all the parking at the church and if there's a funeral or whatever the event is, the church parking lot is filled with high school slashcity events. Um but yeah, so for a minute it seemed like they were ready to purchase property for a high school and we started working with them on finding places that we thought made sense with our transportation plan that we were um working on that worked to put all you know having a place where traffic could be dispersed and and would flow and get people to the high school. And for a minute that was going really well. Um I'm not sure exactly where that is at this particular moment, but they kind of seem to have put the brakes on that. So all the things that were it felt like

they were trying to find solutions uh just keep going backwards. Personally, I still think that if they are planning for an 8 to 10 year build for Groundsville High School, I still think they should buy the park and we should build something that makes more sense for our community as far as size of the community that we are now compared to what we were on, you know, when the park was built there on Cherry Street. But I don't I don't know that that's just a little more background of how this has all gone back and forth for the last two years.

Yeah. And it's become I we talk about safety. I I was going two nights ago or three nights ago, I was going to pick up my son from the baseball field after practice and we have little tea ballers and I had a te-baller get out of his car and you know cars on both sides completely full and the parking lot for the school they had an event that night so it was completely full. So everybody's just parking in the church parking lot in a te in a t-baller ran right in front of my truck. And so I you know I'm I'm worried we're gonna have and we're going to have a a safety issue there um sooner if if this isn't addressed. Now I know they there's been discussion that they're going to move the portables uh from the parking lot. They're gonna right

they're gonna purchase some new portables that are going on the practice field football practice fields which ended up removing our little league from using those fields from having a place that are now that are now going to go to Desireette Peak next year. So it's so the frustrating Sorry, sorry. The frustrating part about that is is that the school district was charging um the little league football teams to play on the practice field. I believe it was about $600 for every Saturday. Do you know if that's correct? It's right around there.

Yeah. Okay. So, they were charging them $600 approximately to use the football practice field for their games. So, every game that they hosted, they had to pay the school district $600. And then now they have actually said, "Sorry, we're putting, you know, these portable more portable classrooms back here." Which I understand they need to do. I'm not disputing that that's necessary. But now that's eliminated them from having a place to play and so now they're having to go to Desert Peak. But the whole situation where they're using the fields for the price of fertilizer and um air rating and mowing as opposed to $600 a day to use the the practice field. I I just don't see where we're just not in in a equitable place here. That's my concern. And we're not. And and really honestly, we're not going to solve this problem today. No, I think we can talk about this a little bit later. We've got all these wonderful individuals here who are department heads. We're here to talk I'm here to talk about budget, right?

We can talk about agenda item number one. I'd like to table that and move it to after. We can talk about it till one o'clock in the morning. I don't care. Please don't. But um I want to roll up our sleeves and tackle this budget. I mean, we got we spent 22 minutes and we've got all these folks here. Um, I I think we should move this particular discussion now that it's ruminating in our head. I think we should shift gears. I think that's a great idea and and focus on the budget. So, okay, that's my that's my Do you want to make a motion? Make a motion we table um agenda item number one and discuss it after we tackle agenda item number two. We have a motion by council member Butler. Is there a second? Second.

Second by council member Williams. All in favor? I All right. Moving on to agenda item number two. Presentation and discussion of the fiscal year 27 budget. This is a discussion item only. No p no public comment or action will be taken tonight. This is just a discussion. Um and with that we will have a presentation of the proposed property tax impact schedule. I believe um Aspen will give that to us.

Awesome. Um so again just for transparency for truth and taxation I am going to read the property tax impact schedule that you all have that was presented at last Wednesday's meeting with the 84% increase. So um at this time that's still sharing I'm plugged in I don't know how to get I I have to do it here I think. So you'll probably have to drag it. Sorry, I just want to make sure we present it.

Okay, so this is the same one. It has not changed from last city will consider an increase to its property tax rate from 0.001368 to 0.002517, which exceeds the estimated certified tax rate and is estimated to generate an additional 1,749,71 in property tax revenue. The following information is intended to provide the city council and the public with an explanation of how the city's operations would be affected if the proposed property tax increase is adopted. So again, you see at the top our current property tax rate at 0.001368, which would generate approximately 2,82,977 in property tax revenue. The proposed change would generate approximately 3,832,678 in property tax revenue, which is an additional 1,749,71, which would put our new property tax rate at 0.02517, which is approximately 84% increase. That equates to broken $27.92 a month for a residential average person. Um, with that we are proposing $30,000 for HR to have a pay and compensation study completed as well as an additional parks and right staff for city slopes coming online as well as a roughly 3% inflation increase on budget line items equating to 1 mill749. So that's the same. That has not changed. It's the same as last Wednesday. It's you guys have a copy of that. Everything's the same for that. that for transparency. Um before we get too far into that too much um

the budget, we do want to say um so we have gone through Michael and I mayor Heidi all of our department heads this morning um and we have gone through line by line with everyone um and We did see where did it go? So we did end up reducing by $456,000. So the difference now is 1.2 million that needs to be made up for in property taxes which just for rough estimates equates to approximately 62%. So based on what we'll be presenting tonight, it has gone down from 84 to 62. So that is stuff that we have done here internally with staff. Um

however, we're set at 84 because of what we did last Wednesday, right? No, that's the highest weight. Exactly. We're set at 84. Correct. That's the highest as of right now. Yeah, 84 is what is presented. So um as we go through this, as things change, as you guys suggest different options and whatever, it could go down. Um, another point that I did want I guess I don't know you want to talk about previous history. Okay.

So I did go on the certified tax rate website from the state. Um, has history back from 1999 is as far back as we can go. Um, I did enter all that in just for like the sake of conversation just so we can understand. Um, from n Oh, excuse me. 1997 is how far back we were able to go. From 97 to 2008, there was no change. We adopted Gransville City always adopted the proposed certified tax rate. In 2009, they did approximately a 1% increase um on the certified tax rate. And in 2010, they did approximately a 3% increase. That was the last time Grantsville City has increased property taxes was 2010. Now, with that, Gransville City adopted certified tax rates that were lower or excuse me, they adopted property tax rates that were lower than the certified tax rate. Um, in 2011, they did a 10% decrease and then in 2012, they did a 16% decrease. So, the last time Grantsville City did not adopt the certified tax rate, they were actually adopting a 16% decrease in property tax rates. And then since then again no change. So with that it is important to note that when you go back like that you it doesn't make up in the next year. So ultimately since 2012 they've been you know 26% behind what they could have been even without adopting an increase. So, um, you can see here that had they adopted the certified tax rate, they would have been at a little over a million, but they in property tax revenue, but instead since they adopted a lower rate,

they got 978,000. And then the next year, again, it was reduced because lower and it was 1 million, but they took at 80 874,000.

So, that's just things to know. Um I did confirm that with the contact of the state of Utah just to make sure that that is the most upto-date accurate information that we have available and that that is correct understanding of that and they did confirm that that is correct. So that's some history about because I know it's kind of been like oh grants hasn't raised taxes in 17 years 18 years 14. It's kind of been I haven't heard a for sure number. So now we know it hasn't been raised since 2010 and it actually went down to the two years after. So that's just some thoughts there. Um I think now we do want to allow an opportunity for you guys to hear from some of our department heads that are here and available. So if you have specific questions directed to any of them, we're happy to have them come up or we can just pick on them and have you say you're go first.

Public safety. Okay, Chief, you're up.

So we're all in the deficit. So, we've tried to go through and um just slim down everything. And you can see with any line, we've slimmed we're running slim everywhere across every department. So, if you guys can see anything in here that we can discuss that maybe you have questions on, but I know bottom line number after we went and cut I think we're like what 25 ahead of or more than last year's budget. So, and that's with basically your staff increase or your that 3% wage increase. So,

this doesn't include the additional no status quo.

And then some of the notes over there, we kind of when we met last Friday, Michael and Aspen and I, we kind of made some notes on how we come up with these numbers. So, if you have questions on them. Yeah. One thing that I do want to point out, um, and I'm working with Heidi, our HR director, currently, um, and you see it here in Chief Savior's budget, and it's in a couple of the other budget lines, but unemployment compensation is really difficult to budget for.

So, that's kind of a variable. So, that could be overbudgeted or it could be under budgeted. It's really difficult to know based on turnover. I do know right now we put it in there for ones that we have had pull from this year. Um but of course any sort of lapse in employment would affect that. So that's just something to consider. That line item is kind of a question mark. Could we um could we look at other professional services? Could we talk about that line item? Yeah, let's do that

because it's it it's quite the jump and I'd like to know and understand a little bit better, you know, what it is the increase in that particular amount when it could go potentially to something else or anyways. So, just

basically these are um software contracts. One is about $7,700. That's called Frontline. That's our online application which uh complaints, use of force um and we track and we do our employee evaluations. It also there's state law that we have to have an early intervention system and this qualifies for that. When we first did this introduced that one it was about three years ago two to three years ago and the next was like 15,000. So we got the budget there and a grant for the first year and then you have about $5,800 in what's called Lexapole. Lexa pulls our policy management um software and what that entails is we um every federal state or up upgrade to policy for best practice is ran through their legal team through the chiefs of police association and then they give a draft and so it's it allows us to keep up with best practices and with our accreditation and then there's a $1,700 um online training platform that Lexipole offers and that we each officer has to have 40 hours annual training each year to maintain their certification and that way I can deploy online training so they can do it on shift um and not overtime compensation. Then we have Lexus Nexus uh basically background or investigation tools that allows us to search information when we're doing investigations on on people. ACE of the PO a the shredding service um is on there and then

I did move um the contractor dispatch into that line because it was previously located in dues and fees which didn't seem appropriate. So we did move and that's 159,000 the big jump. So that's the jump. That's what I was asking for. 158,000 there. There's the detail. So yeah, I didn't want to interrupt but I was And then I I didn't realize you moved it in there. I can't see that. If you make it a little bit bigger, I know I was trying to fit like that's that's a big jump and the rest is is stuff like that council. So essentially you re reallocated fees from uh 105463 to that 105439.

Typically it was about a 31,000 and then you add the the dispatch fee and that would make that up. All right. Yeah. the special program expense down at the bottom. That one went down significantly. What's that one? Yeah. So, we we started the RAD program um and then NOVA and then like our third grade Christmas cards, but I was able to get grant funds to get all that equipment. So, I think I can operate our just equipment and those those special events with that much money. Yeah, we don't. Are we keeping Nova and the red?

Yes, absolutely. I think that's a great thing for the community unless the council chooses otherwise, but we've got all the trading and everything. So, and then the third grade Christmas cards, what that's we we have the competition with the the students and they give us our their drawings and then we publish those and we use those as our Christmas card. So, that's usually $4 to $500. What's the line item? It's, you know, like a light colored green there for Yeah. 236. What's what explain to me a little bit what that is and rent to MBA? Rent sounds like to me a revenue generator

justice center. So yeah, so level pay for the justice center building. So you'll see it here and then in the MDA section of the budget, you see it transfer. So we'll do a transfer from here to the MDA and then that's where we're actually pay the loan. That's our payment. Yes. So that and that's we can change the rent to loan. That's how they had it named before, but yeah, it's a deficit there. So, yeah. Yeah, it looks like in 26 we have 116,900, but in prior years it was 12,9500. Yeah. So, why the why the decrease? Did we not charge enough for rent on that to help pay for it on the other end or what's what's what's the scoop there?

Uh, no, that's just the repayment schedule or based on the loan. Um, we have it varies based on principal and interest payments each year. So, it does it's not always exactly the same. It's sometimes in the same ballpark, but I can provide those to you. It's just from I have a whole packet of all of our loans with our interest and principal payments. So, that's just what it is this year.

Well, this year got Looks like you've consistently come in under on parts, supplies, and equipment. But that's if you look at our grants, like this year I'll have like 43,000 or 50,000 in grants, and sometimes that helps. But this this parts, supplies, and equipment, there's one major purchase this year. Um, and Taser is um discontinuing our current Taser and that is going to the Taser 10, and that's about 85,000 to $100,000 purchase to upfit our officers.

But there is a payment plan which we can consider, and that would be like 8 to6,000 a year for like 5 years. I don't know on on that one, but you have to the less lethal is you have to give them the tools so they have I call it deescalation options before their firearm as well. So yeah, since they're not making those tasers like they're not making cartridges and stuff for me, they're going to discontinue and then stop the service. So crazy. So I I have to at least get patrol. That's a that's a major um concern on that one. The salaries and wages, that's just an 3% increase for the current staff. You have the staffing. Now, I I had a the cola I don't know if the top out was there

and I have I sent that to Mike. So, that one's still if it's considered a cola, the top out that wasn't considered in here. The top out officers, I have four top out people, they would stay status quo. But if we say it's cola, that seems to be more across the board, not just four doesn't get it. So, it wouldn't include those four in this number. So depending on if it's a step increase or cola board may not get it.

How it was approved in in August 6, 2023, we presented a wage scale to this board. Um and then it uh was approved that there if if there was a coal, the whole step would move to make it consistent across. So you just up the step to that. And I don't know if that's how this council is going to choose to to for that um particular item, but that was August 16, 2023. You can see the presentation and you can see the approval on that and how how they how it was u presented to them. If you added another officer in your salaries and wages, how much more would you need?

Well, it it depends on the on the range. So, on the low end, you're probably with benefits and full insurance. I would estimate on my PowerPoint that it would I've got that all broke down. it it's about 150 I would but you can also do other things you can you can hire them in incremental stages which you can try to span hires across two budget years you know and that the cost

yeah but it still have we we're still going to be in the same boat if we're in a deficit the next budget year is the problem we across with everybody yeah right there that's an estimate based on the this is based on a top out the the first column there that's based on your top out uh the the highest we'd pay for an officer. So if you hire a step one is going to be less step five less you know and then the other ones is how you gauge the incremental hires or spread it throughout the year. This holds the vehicle outfit and everything. That doesn't Well, no. This is just This is a purse.

But the I do have three reserve cars that we use them a lot. Car goes down, goes over. We could spend, you know, spread it and put them in a reserve card. They're still healthy. But then I'm starting to utilize assets and then cars break down. But we if they're sitting there, we're not using them, so we might as well use them as well. If you have another officer, does it reduce your overtime budget then? Or is that stays the same? Right now, we're still so lean. I think um it would it would stay about the same and especially with the special events and and things like that. Does this Sorry, ask a lot of questions. The salary include the

your sergeant that you already you're missing a sergeant position. Does the salary increase include putting somebody back in that sergeant position? No, that doesn't. So right now you're still you're still at the two. I have a vacant sergeant position that I need to fill and this is kind of the time where we fill it or not. At this point you had that position and now it's gone. Well, I mean it's open. It's open. We need the right people for it and I've got those people now. Um it's just the time to fill it is when and it would be an increase in pay to Yeah, a little bit. You could go to that PowerPoint.

Um and these are estimates, right? So go down to um see wage you do the sergeant wage just go to that green right there. So basically you from four if they'd go to step one. So if it's a step four or step 10 officer they'd go to that step one. There has to be that little bit of separation. So there's 2080 times that you're looking at um couple thousand here. So that difference, right? Yeah. That's what that would cost, Mrs.

But it's we do need we do need supervision and we need more of it. I mean, it's it is very stressful on our line supervisors right now. That's kind of why this PowerPoint was laid out like that. But this is Yeah, it's where we're at. I don't know. In regards to revenue, does does the line item 103510 fines, is that all generated through the police department or is that also the justice department as well? I don't know.

Proposed budget revenue-wise, it's line 48. Um, $215,000. Does that does that go back into the police department or does it just go in the overall general fund budget as revenue designated back for the I would say it's a general fund because the police pulled from the general fund. Okay. I was just curious. So for reference I mean there are some people that consider the police department as a revenue generator. Yeah. We just enforce the law. I know. I know.

And then it goes to the court tongue and cheek. Yeah. So, a lot of them that come into that fines is them paying their stuff through the court. Yeah. So, but it does ultimately just go into like the general fun. It appears to me that you're running you should possibly can with what we see here.

And I know we talked about this LA, we're already under the national or how many we should have per citizen. Correct. I mean, I think we talked about this last time. It's like 1.4 we're supposed to be. Yeah. Per thousand

per thousand person. And yeah, per thousand and we're already gone. Yeah, that's an estimate and and something that I came up with with all the the research and put that document together and used, you know, the capital facility plan and then what's around and and and the staffing and the short staffing and calling people in. One person calls off and then we're calling in overtime and we can't it's last minute stuff, right? Um, and so you put that for and I think that that number is important for the next at least the next couple years to get built up and then I think and you need to evaluate it annually really and then it can kind of taper off. I think will like a was a 1.1 last time I checked. Um, but yeah, I think that number is very accurate that what we need. So

do we have any other questions for police chief? Okay, thank you. Okay, be before we go to the next You're good. Before we go to the next department, I just got a big just 30,000 foot view question in regards to to the revenue side. Okay.

Really the the top item um number five, what we're talking about here and what moves the needle for us and is property taxes. So if our budget is in fiscal year 26 was 2,82,977 and if our 2/ird the way through the year which is end of February is 2,ion34171 and you're saying that your anticipated amount that we gain from those property taxes is 3,51,257 in column H. Okay. So, I'll explain.

Please do. This is a requirement in our presentation from the state. So, as of February, these were our actuals and then we basically put in a formula based on what the actuals were in February to project what the year end would be. It's a flaw. It obviously doesn't work correctly because in circumstances like this, you know, the max that we could get is 2,82,000. So, um, we're not going to exceed that to the 3 million. It works the same with our expenditures. There's a lot of one-time like membership fees that we pay like we gave to the Grantsville socialable

but we that's just a onetime thing but it's fully spent in January and then but it would project that we would continue spending at that rate for the rest of the year. So column H is somewhat helpful but you have to take it with a grain of salt because just asking the question because absolutely because it is half the shortfall is right there. I mean, if if that's the case, so you're saying that from July 1, I mean, column G, let's just talk about that because that's actual, right? Yep.

Column G, we collected 2,34,17198 and we're only anticipating truly um getting essentially less than 50,000 more, right, to hit our our budget amount. So column H is really like you said it's a lot. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And to be sure like we have to um yeah we do put in the budgeted amount based on the certified tax rate that is provided but it does we have to budget based off of that amount that's in the certified tax rate. But collection isn't 100%. So there's people that end up doing deferrals. There's people that don't pay property taxes. There's people that pay later. So, we'll get that revenue collected in years down the line, you know, whether it sells at tax sale or it sells to a new purchaser and they pay the Jack taxes. So, but we do have to budget based off the amount provided the certified tax rate.

Yeah. And you can kind of see that in fiscal year 25 when we budgeted and what we actually got was nearly $100,000. Not quite, but nearly $100,000 more than what we had budgeted. Yeah. So, we can collect more. We can, but I could not project a budget that we would collect more.

So, just one other question and just overall knowledgeable and on the same page. So, what do you attribute our ability to cover the budget in the past and what what because it seems like to me that and and not really looking to and owning too much on the past, but how were we able to make it the last four or five years? I I truly think the pandemic I think COVID and the COVID relief funds that were provided were the saving grace for city and you being the financial officer. How much money did we get? Because I don't think those of us on the council really know

I have no idea that that number. Yeah. And I don't it was it's all been spent prior to when I started but I could get that information for you. It would be really helpful to know Yeah. how much we received in the COVID relief fund and then how much have we been taking from that that excess over the last five years to um to really supplement our budget. Yeah. Because right now, according to what you showed us um last Wednesday, I think we have what was it $2 million in that fund that's in excess, right? for our fund balance. Yeah, our fund balance in 2.4 million roughly. Okay.

And and one thing to consider with that as well is it will likely go up a little bit at the end of this fiscal year just because we're not going to have 100% spending. So anything that's unspent in our general fund would go back into the balance. But it's I don't have a number for you for that. So it will probably go up slightly by the end of this fiscal year just because as we roll into fiscal year 27 and close out fiscal year 26 the unspent will go into that but it would be you know a small amount just that's unspent from expenditure alliance this year. Thank you. What did you say that number was again as 2.8

four 2.4 and just so I know a lot of people are thinking $2.4 million we're fine we have $2.4 million. It sounds like a lot, but a city technically should probably have how much? I mean, is that good for a city or I mean, we've always been running behind by the state. Yeah. So, we are somewhat restricted by state code. We can't carry more than right now the max is 35% um in our fund balance. Um and what does that 2.4 uh what's the percentage of that consist of? Um I don't know. Okay.

We could find out. It's not straightforward. Typically, they just calculate it at the end of your fiscal year just because it's constantly moving. But it does consider things such as our assets and things that we have in equity. So, it's not a true like bank account of money that's available. So, you know, for our fund balance, we could have 13 million in there, but a lot of that is attributed to equity and assets, and then we have 2.4 million in like available cash. So, it's not Yeah, but they there is legislature talk of capping cities at a 25% fund balance maximum. So that could change. Um and then there's also talk about capping cities and it's gone to the legislature the last two years of capping them at the amount that they can increase property taxes. They want to limit it to five% was the amount that was presented last year.

So So our 84% would be no go if that was in place. That's correct. And so that is one thing to consider is if it does go back and passes next year, depending on what we do and what is decided this year, um it could potentially stifle it vote for a while. Is there anyone specific that you want to talk to next or get to his house? We take volunteers. I'll do.

Okay. Which one do you want? Okay.

Was there anything specific on parks um you wanted to review? Again, as Aspen said, I do have that unemployment 106415 your salaries and wages. That's a 3% increase for your all of the employees in parks. Is that what we have at plus a new employee, right? To take care of partial it would not be for the full year purposely but it was included for part of a new employee to bring on for the senior slopes. Yeah.

Oh, that's a full-time or part time. Um well based on the property tax and pack schedule it's only 32,000 so that would be hard. And how many employees does this include Christie? How many are allocated to parks? Well she wrote there six right now I have three park employees one part-time employee and one part-time facility maintenance. So facility maintenance is in the parks and wreck budget. No, I don't believe so. He probably is spread out across a couple budgets. Yeah, he pulls from Oh, okay. That makes sense. A lot of a lot of our employees are not paid out of a single budget like

Right. Um I I'll clarify that. No, that makes sense. Okay. While you guys Yeah, I assume that's where you came up with those six because they report to Colton

probably. your part supply and equipment. A lot of that again is now fertilizer. We did buy spray equipment so we can spray this next time. It is fertilizer. It's sprinklers. It is repair. Every time we get vandalism, it's it goes fast.

Yes. Well, and you've spent 34,000 through February. You got four more months there. You're I'm I'm already over. Yeah, I am. I'm over budget in both parks and cemetery right now for their parks. Cemetery looks great, by the way. Thank you. I I went there yesterday and looks fabulous. It's on track. So, Just a shout out to that. I also received a text from a citizen stating that same thing that it looked great. So, thank you.

It was fun. I called them in and I was going to chew them out for something was what they thought and then I shared that text with them. So, good job. Chew them out. Chew them out. Said, "Okay, we have got two." And then I told them. So, that was fun. Christy, not that you would know this right out the the gate here, but just curious those expenditures, what portion of that would be attributed to the Cherry the park on Cherry Street? I'm going with this probably

that that's hard to say. Um again, Cherry Street does get our most vandalism. I will say that. Um, you know, we've had extreme vandalism in there before and then thankfully not as bad this year. Um, but again, sprinklers, valves, um, upkeep, portable restrooms,

portable restrooms, but portable restrooms comes out of um, 33 right there. 106433 has its own line. But um you know it just we've been putting a lot of money or try to in fix Scott Beavenon Park also. So there's been money that went into that this last year in the concrete

that needs a sign people pass it signage out. It bought some picnic tables that are at Cherry Street and Hollywood this last year. And I guess we're seeing slopes that probably should go up. But I guess we have the one year maintenance on that for the grass and stuff. But if there's any vandalism up there, that'll be in that budget plan. Police department will take care of that. It's a good neighborhood.

Any other questions or you want to go to the next one? Let's go to the next one. Okay. Yeah, cuz I'm not seeing anything there. No, there's $24. I was questioning. Cemetery is similar. Again, like I said, I'm I'm over budget on our part, supply, and equipment already right now. Um,

so the the employee, you don't see any employees there. She had them listed in the parks, but it is they're all connected. Our water expense for both places, we have to pay oursel for our water, even though it's culinary water. So, we we meter and keep track and pay ourselves for that. That $1,000 for the North Cemetery is what we baded. excuse me, budgeted for the year before that we were going to expand it and then we said, "Wait, maybe we don't need to expand quite yet. Let's widen the roads." And we just haven't got to it. So, we're just asking that we roll that over again and still hope to expand widen those roads in the cemetery. So, that has not been that has not been spent.

No, the only part that's been spent is about $8,000 for that rubber underllayment of the the fence. That's three quarter complete. And did that come out of that line by an item? Yeah. I don't know why we don't see it, but it's It might have not been when I pulled this. Yeah. Okay. It's It's a recent purchase.

Yeah, that line item is now has 90,852.74 in it. We're lock We're talking about 106682. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So, yeah, we had spent $9,15726 out of that line. Right now, we have about 90 grand left. Yeah.

Are we looking to you looking use our group to do Okay. Yes. Next one. Okay. So, we also have streets, class C. I have garbage or we can go to water or sewer. So, this is back to Jeopardy. We'll take streets. We'll take street.

It's kind of a lot of lines. So, again, streets. Right now, we have five full-time. We have one opening position. Um, also help Um, we did decrease the light repair. We had 10,000 in it. We said, "Let's roll the dice and go with 5,000." Um, anytime we have to repair a street light, it's typically around $2,000. We don't have the expertise to do that right now. If it's just a bulb, we can change a bulb, but if it's more, then we hire that out. um your parts, supply and equipment. That 30,000 that's actually low. That will cover us as long as we don't have a lot of snow and don't need to buy a lot of salt. So again, we'll we'll hope that it snows in the mountains and rains in the valleys. So you can see in 25 our actual was double that. So that's risky really to

Yeah, that's half. So go ahead. One of the biggest items I mean really that jumps out is just at the top the salary and wages and if we could just just talk about that in general it just says corrected on the notes. So 1060-11 So the the fiscal year 26 budget was 152,000 and this year's budget is $100,000 more. So just go into a little detail and explain that the reasoning behind that. It it's not just the cola increase. So

correct we do have Ben budgeted in that line item now whereas previously he was not one we didn't have a Ben and two he wasn't budgeted to be streets. So that's something that that's an adjustment that we've made internally between Christy and payroll and HR. So a portion of his wages is reflected right here. Yes. All of it. All of that's all of Ben is paid out of streets. Ben is 100% streets. With that, we do have the caveat that um throughout the year as Ben does projects, we can reimburse streets from the class C road funds as we had discussed previously, but we do have to cover him from somewhere first. So that's where he's budget.

So he could pay for himself, correct? To a certain extent, right? And his crews as well. So that is I mean I understand we need to need to have the budget and we need to have the number there but there there could be could be some swing there. So based on the road he's he's working on. Yeah. Yeah. And so again that's our intent and our hope right now. Our road crew has been doing scenic slopes for Z golf and then they've spent a lot of time right now on the rodeo grounds preparing them for the rodeo. the last two days they've been hauling a lot of we've been getting some free roto millings from UD doat and we're you know stockpiling piling them. Yeah, I saw

and so that you know in hopes that saves us from buying material later. Well, that's why we have to do a reimbursement just because class C road money is so restricted. We have to be very careful of what was work was being done and then kind of like pay ourselves back out of class C. It wouldn't just apply to him generally speaking.

Any other questions? And then we'll go down to um water, sewer, and we didn't did we look class C? We didn't talk about class C funds. Sorry. Yeah, that's the enterprise fund, but yeah, sort of. Let's just look at that real quick.

Yeah. So this amount I do want to So this is what you guys had approved just recently for Ben to spend on his equipment. So this is where we're at right now with that. I'll keep adjusting this down as like we get closer. But that will just be what carries over into being spent from that approval in next fiscal year. But that's that line item specifically. And then obviously the rest can ask. And I mean we we just approved this, but all that money has to be used and designated for class C roads. Yes. For that equipment. That's correct.

Then what we don't what we can save in that we're going to put toward road projects actually start preparing. Then I can buy the oil, the chip sill, the crack sill, the mastic, all the product. Yep. Then we do have the million dollars there budgeted for the projects to continue on to do all those projects for next year in the roads. Have we ever done road maintenance? No, we've always hired it out. Hired it out 100%. When was the last time we did some road maintenance? Well, every year we've hired some out. Every year we've hired some a certain amount every year that we've attacked.

But hopefully, again, our intent is to be able to do more now with this crew. Yeah. Be able to do more product with an in-house group. So adjusting that outlay really doesn't help us that 2,797,810 by just more road product bas. But adjusting that down doesn't no doesn't necessarily affect the overall budget because that money goes back because it can only be in class C. I understand just want to make sure that we're all on the same page that it can't be moved and reallocated somewhere else.

Yeah, absolutely. And it's a great point of clarification. Absolutely. But yes, you're that's the correct understanding. But the cheaper that equipment is, the more roadway we get to fix. That's great. And potentially the more money we get to use to help pay for his wage. Correct. Which would affect the line item up above streets. So in a roundabout sort of way, it can in a roundabout sort of way. We can affect that number up above. Just got to start on class C roads first. only do class. So I guess going back to that number all roads are class C roads. Sorry, everybody else driving. Could we move that number? Can we move that number down at all? I mean I've got it I've got it noted.

So I mean we can we can talk about there's 100k there and could we could we note that and say that you know some of this class C road fund outlay is going to go back to the projects and we're going to pay ourselves for it and that could affect that. It could I think my biggest hesitation would be um if it doesn't work out that way. So and we don't this is our first year having right and so it's really hard to say like I couldn't go back like yeah so every year you know we're able to use the class road funds to pay back then so we can budget this amount to be less. Um it would just I would be hesitant to reduce that just because we do need budget to pay for our employee.

Okay. Well, note it. And yeah, maybe we could tack a little little bit later in an hour or two. The red wants to be here all night. No, I just I'm trying to think outside the box, right? So I mean asking the right questions and understanding where the monies come from and how they can be reallocated is important. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I also want to say Ben was very knowledgeable when he did his it's nice having Ben to know somebody who has roads experience. He seemed very knowledgeable. So it's my thought on that. So

So we get an increased amount of class C road money based on the miles of roads that we have in the city. Right. Correct. So as far as this year, will there be an increase in the amount of revenue we receive in class C roads? Have we built enough roads that we'll make any type of I added three miles. So, three miles. It won't add that much, but okay. We submitted it. Okay. It'll add up eventually. Yeah.

Okay. You want to go to garbage or sewer water, whichever comes up. So, I think water's first. Um water. this just obviously I think it's worth looking at the budget but just keep in mind it is an enterprise fund so it is not impacted or impact shy taxes so it's its own fund based on the income that we receive from water so it is its own budget but

so I have four people three and one that you can see back up to those wages that's obviously covers more than four people. And so it's our water fund and our sewer fund that helps supply some of the other employees be it streets and parks. So So what you're saying is is that some of the individuals paid out of this fund are also assisting and helping in other in other areas in park center. Yeah. It flexes like my salary, Aspen sorry comes out of there as well as Tyson's we do split into the enterprise funds. So it helps diversify Yeah. staff salary that has to do with those kind of departments.

Yeah. So like we're not paid 100% from the general fund. So we do come out of funds. A good portion comes out of these funds respectively. Yes. Yes. Proportionately.

Um their asphalt repair we have there at 60,000. Again, it's not um impacted by a tax increase, but we have a lot of a lot of water leaks. Um with having Ben's crew do it, potentially that could be less, but um I mean, I had three calls over the weekend, so had three different water leaks this weekend. Um we have the water meters. Um, as you have new builds and repairs, we haven't spent that much this year. The building has slowed down, but with the development that's on Shel's and Bill's table, it's coming. So, we're going to be spending that in meters. Um, our parts, supply, and equipment. I know that seems high, but I just did a PO for one PRV. That's $10,000. you know, connections for all these water parts. Every Instatite is about $30 each. Brass has gone up exponentially. Every hydrant you have to replace is just under $10,000. So, it goes fast if you have to make the repairs. Of course, if we don't, just like this year, we're not we'll most likely not spend it all and it will roll over and and I don't spend it because it's there. Thank you.

Sorry, Christie had a question on the water meters. Like when we get revenue back specifically, like I'm assuming, you know, you have a developer comes in, they come in, pick up a water meter, and then we're charging them for the use of that water. Where does that money come back into in the budget? So those there's only 22 hydrant meters that we rent out if that's what you mean. So a developer on their individual homes, we put the individual meters in. But you mean the hydrant meters. Where does that money come back into? They're using water to pack the road down or something. They're drawing that water from a hydrant.

They should have they should be doing it with a meter and it should be calculating how much. Where does that come back into spend? Just their general fund, right? was our process for that? Cuz I've I the reason I'm asking is I've been in multiple cities and I've seen anywhere from $2,000 to $10,000. They put a deposit down to use the meter, but then it's 6,000. It's $6 per thousand gallons is what we charge. So yeah, 22 24 I believe it was 22 meters out right now. So and then they also fill up at the stand pipe. Would you charge them a fee every month on top of the usage that they

like a rental fee? Helps buy it helps buy new meters essentially. Yeah. Okay. But the revenue we receive from that is it just go to the overall I don't believe so. I revenue fund um this one I can verify because then this metered water sales is like our

utilities. Right. But we do have water meter. I don't know. I'll have to look once I can get onto the other side just to verify. But I will verify and get you guys a number for where that revenue comes in because we do charge for the usage based on from the rental of the hydraator. I mean really for our purposes here the water fund is kind of its standalone business. business really what we're looking at in the budget is what this is irrelevant property taxes that that this doesn't affect that at all get any money from that because it's stand alone because it balanced out so this is not something we should tackle okay

or sewer well sewer is the same sewer and garbage are the same the only difference in this year that this I mean we could take note right now is that once you get the water credit funds it'll come into the water fund and then you'll have to transfer out of here to the general fun which we do have I have it in here to come into the capital projects fun here because that's what I right we can adjust that and we can adjust that as you guys see that excuse me as it does for the general fund but you are correct so water fund sewer fund and garbage fund are all their own so they won't adjust property tax but it is here obviously if you guys have notes I don't want to and you would still have to approve it as part of the budget

but yeah but we obviously don't have spend time on it tonight. If you guys had other issues, we could you could email us that we could address about these funds, which is a great idea. These don't these don't move the needle for they don't sewer water sewer. Yep. Yep. Because they're all enterprise except for the salaries kind is spread across kind of the idea. But they're proportional to what time usage they have. You can't put like all my entire salary the one kind of thing that we get audited and so based on the audits we we've tried to maximize the diversification of our uh administrative staff spot through the different enterprise spots.

Obviously to help save money on the general fun yeah that's that's perfectly understand. Yeah. Thanks Christie. Any new volunteers? I don't know where we landed today because I didn't get to see it. So, let's see.

Where can I cut? So, let's see. I guess what questions do you have in there? Then we'll go there. and so I'm sorry. For salary and wages, how many how many employees is that under salary and wages? So that would be the three chiefs, the fire marshal, and the secretary. Oh, and that's all for mechanic. But

that's all for them. The stipen Call it part. I wouldn't call it part. No. Full time. Full time with the penny perk. Yeah. Volunteer pat on the back. Yeah. 100 years. So proposed budget 41 estimated 48. We dropped 7,000 there. Well, she said I mean you were 40,000 last year and you've used 32,000 in fiscal year 26. I don't know how that maths out.

Yeah, I don't know how that ms out either because they're all the same. They don't change stipens the month. So explain that aspen what you did on the salaries and wages for the fire. That's probably just 3% across the board. So if it doesn't apply to the fire then type things or because we do pay chiefs. So that would be a no no increase for chiefs then. No, I was just wondering because it's the number. So we're 32. We're at 48 is where it's projected. Oh yeah, I can tell you where it's at right now to be more accurate. That'd be great. I mean that one should be pretty easy to calculate.

111. So, actually right now it's at $43,2195. So, it's gone over the budget by $3,000, but it hasn't reached that 48,000 this time. But we still have two more months, correct? That's probably through the end of April, right? Yeah, that's as of today. So,

vehicle maintenance is so that that number actually should go up. Yeah. I'm just I'm just telling you just reality. Yeah. What's what's real? So, let's I'll just make a note and I can pull those. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's see. vehicle maintenance that line item is low. I have not moved the ladder truck this year. I have not dumped any money into the ladder truck this year. So, and we didn't have a big wildland season last year. So, but anything we do break on a wildland call, the state does reimburse us. So, we're going to have

this year is going to be ugly. And we have two new brush trucks, so that helps our vehicle maintenance. uh turnouts. Um I know we are over this year. That's only five sets of turnouts coming in the near future. We will have turnouts that will be expiring every 10 years. Sorry. What's a turnout your bunker gear? Your fire gear. I should know this. Gear. So they do expire every 10 years. And we do have a list of people that are coming up on that 10 year to get new turnouts. selling there about $5,000 a set. You mentioned that when we were Yeah. Yeah.

Natural gas power. Can't do nothing with that is what it is. We try to keep the heaters as low as we can, the AC as high as we can. Any questions? I guess the the rent payment um for the fire station that 97 grand. Does that seem pretty accurate? So, it's actually for this year it's 109. Um, and I can go actually grab my mind real fast if you want just so I have those available. It Oh, but it's just based on the loan amount that we're repaying for the payment for the price. This is the one I I'm looking at Google I'm looking at Google Drive. I thought you were in Google Drive and you're updating it in real time, but

Oh, apologies. Yeah, this one is the one that staff who we've been working on this since this morning. Okay. But um yeah, keep it keep it there. Seems pretty equipment line items. That does not include the new Jaws of life, does it? That was 90 grand. Well, the 90 grand was for two sets. Yeah. So, they're 45,000 a set. So, that was a two. We could we would live with one. So, okay. Bigger, but right now that's not in there in the none of it is. Yeah. So, what do we do if we can go? So, you just get

We have hydraulic ones that are old that leak oil that they got to put oil in it as they're trying to extricate the people out of their guards. They just hang on there for a minute. Let me get some oil. This thing full of oil. That doesn't sound good. Yeah. No, it really doesn't. And it's a liability. If they start from bouncing around in the back of the trucks, they're fun. They're old. If council wants, we could add that right now. I think we should. How often? I mean, you find yourself needing those often? Uh, no. But it's better, I guess, to have it at I shouldn't say often, but I mean,

yeah. So, it's not uh probably two times a year, but if we get Mid Valley Highway, it's going to be more. Yeah. Even with this top light. Yeah. I have a feeling. They're out there once a week. Seems like once is Are we attacking the grant avenue for that too, Michael? Do you know like can we Is that something that's grant applicable? That type of equipment? We believe we did apply for a grant for for extrication tools. Yes, we're applying for every grant out there. Alexis,

yes, you are. Yes, Alexis. when you you've got that in there at the full amount for both. I mean, maybe let's I only added in 45,000. Still those other just regular other expenses that were in there, but yeah, that's just a normal budget for plus 45,000 for one side. She's out of Is there something else you that you feel like is important that you want to add? Ladder truck. Ladder truck.

Well, I should said Yeah. Um, no, that that's important. Um, I think our uniforms line item needs to go up. Um, we have one set of class B uniform, but you notice I wore a different uniform tonight because mine's at the dry cleaners if you can't wash them. Um, and turnouts needs to go up because we do need to um give people new turnouts as per and that's a requirement. That's not like a wait. Yeah, that's a every 10 years. So,

I believe my bunker gear, my structure gear is 11 years old. I don't wear it very often. I don't go in fires very often. So, but I need to have it. So, if I have to. So, that's under your uniforms.

And then the volunteer appreciation proposed was to add money there for this yearly stipen for the firefighters. Um, I noticed that we put the increase for the hundred year celebration. I will say I don't agree with the that being a volunteer appreciation. I think the 100 year celebration should be its loan own item and we're proposing 15,000 for that. You guys um approved the badges last council that we would like to do a couple events and do a nice event for the fire department dinner something with the city fire department for 100 year because none of us will see another 100 years with fire station. So you're saying you want that to be separate from what you have in volunteer and you're asking for how much in that one

in just the 100redyear one the 115,000 15 and including already the 6,000 that no that's with 6,000 with total 15,000 for the 100 year celebration because we bought the challenge coins already. Now we got the badges and patches coming so it would just be four events and and a nice dinner. You're saying add an additional 15 grand? No. So take 15,000 out of volunteer appreciation, make a different line item or the 100year and I propose to was you added seven. So take the seven and add it to another line. Bump that up.

Leave the seven in volunteer appreciation and add 15,000 for the 100 year celebration. And right now I have them in volunteer appreciation just because I don't want to tie up a one use budget line. You know, our 100 year celebration budget line is only applicable next year. And so I'm happy to look at what other budget lines we have in fire and maybe we put it in its own that's not used for volunteer appreciation. I'm happy to do that just so it is separate. But I was just hesitant. I don't want to create a new budget line for a one time a one time use and then it's just going to be forever cluttering up our chart of accounts

for the next foreveration one time. Yeah. Just just as long as we can note it that that's I mean that that seems like the most yeah obvious what you've got there. I mean that that would be that probably the best place to put it in 67. And then if if he want what he wants then we need to increase it by up to 25 25,000 20. So 17 and 15. What's that? 32

or what you want this to be I guess. So you said 10 grand 17 15 and 17 15 I thought you want this to be 22,000 yes right okay and that will average out I think if we did the volunteer appreciation line I have a 17,000 on average I think that would be we'd be like8 $8 a call. Yeah. Not including the other time in the station. That's just forward calls and doesn't include training.

Any questions come? Thank you. Thank you. Anyone like to go next? Okay.

Okay. Our options were fairly limited because we're running pretty lean as it is and our staffing is pretty lean. But we did look at our collections development budget. We reduced a lot of those. Um, let's see. Um, books, we dropped that $5,000. We can make up the difference with grants. Uh, we are not doing much with the music collection, so we cut that out completely. Audio visual is reduced as well. We have a a growing collection of DVDs for those who don't have streaming or online, you know, services. And those are quite popular, aren't they? The DVDs.

Yes. Yes. For people to check out. Uh DVDs and uh children's books are the the most popular collections that we have. It's like Blockbuster. A modern day Blockbuster. Uh I Yeah, I hope we have a better selection. Great. And some maybe some Anyway, uh

we won't go there. Our collection aligns with the community standards and expectations. I'll leave it at that. Um, salaries and wages, we didn't have much room. I did ask for an additional part-time position. I don't think it's going to happen considering everything that's been going on. If we did get another additional library tech one, we would have put that person on the desk doing regular responsibilities but also focusing in one of two different uh specialties. Either they would be trained and you may be a a retired teacher, somebody who could do one-on-one uh tutoring for those who need some additional help with literacy or whatever it is, or somebody who would be comfortable with technology. and they would be the the go-to person for computer support. Um, the staff are great as it is now, but we're a little bit more limited that I'd prefer. And if we could do that and step up, I think it'd be a quite a help to the community. Um, I mean, salaries and wages, your your budget's cut from 263,500 to 222, right?

It's adjusted down. I did pull numbers based on our current um like staff and that's where I've been getting our salary and wages numbers was from current staff. Um so I'm not sure I can verify just to double check that number but I can't say that it's um like it's not including getting rid of anyone for the library is basically what I'm saying. And does that include a 3% cola increase? Yes.

Yeah. We also uh decreased dues and fees 104463 as well as conferences, training and travel. Uh the training that we do is either in-house or we allow staff to go to the state library and all the training there is free. Really? From last year to this year, you cut your budget 50 grand plus, right? Yes. 45 to 431.

Good job, John. Thanks. It It's a non-standard director position. um if we have an opportunity to help out with landscaping or whatever it is or grant writing or whatever the uh position needs, uh we're able to step up and so uh we just make it work. They're always willing to help out. Yes. So, any questions? You might need your binder for this one, but the library rent um at the 18,615 and pardon me from not ever asking this question, but I thought the library was paid for, but

no. So, it's not. And this number does change based on so we also city sends us money for Okay, that's what I So, they actually pay for the bulk of the library. And then this is the difference between what we get from Tula City and what's owed. So, it does vary a little bit, but um based on the numbers for this year, we're at 1860. I mean, considering I mean, that's not a lot divided by 12, right? Yeah. Yeah. I was just curious as to I just this might need your binder too, Aspen. But all these rent payments that we're talking about, whether it's the library or the different buildings, are any of those close to being No.

paid. No. Okay. Just just curious. We looked at that list like I want to say seven or eight months ago. We we got to see that where we're at. Yeah. And I'll send it out again just so you guys have the updated numbers. You can kind of see and then kind of explain which each one of them is. All right. Okay. Thank you. Sure. Thanks.

Welcome, Bill. Guy with the bow tie. Um, I just got to start out by saying thank you for taking the time. This is an unscheduled meeting and I know you get paid a ton. That might be a place for you to start looking at saving some money is cutting your own salaries. Thank you.

Just saying the public's watching. Public's watching. Um, no, thank you so much. This is this is tough. It's tough to go through all these numbers and sit through and I'm I'm really grateful for the time that y'all are putting in. So, do you want to start out with building or community development? Let's go with building since it's on top there. um building is one of those interesting places where we actually see some decent revenue as um building permits get processed. We do see fees and things that are associated with that. So keep in mind that uh even though these numbers look significant, they're offset also by some revenue that we get as well. So, um, this hasn't changed a whole lot since the the previous year. So, uh, hopefully you have any questions or anything on any of that.

Actually, looks like it's gone down right from 26 to 27. Yeah, I'm just curious what the transfer capital project fund is and why is it not in the 27 budget and what did we utilize in 26 and what I mean it says eliminated in the notes. So part of that equation is is that particular number right there. Yeah, I don't know what the answer is to that honestly. Um that was something that Aspen did so I'm going to defer to her on that. There was a transfer from our fund to the capital project fund. Okay. So

maybe that's fe and loo maybe had something to do with personnel. I thought I'm not sure. Maybe not. I might be thinking of something else to get back. I know they they've had a increase in building fund for a few years and that's why there's probably about 1.2 million in capital funds from the building that it is in our funds right now. I think that Sher was mentioning that that was part of the funds that she was going to pull off for city hall. That was her plan

for that. So I think that's what that transfer was in the past. Okay. If I was to guess right now, can you highlight can you drive her computer? Can you highlight the formula in um F 425? Just the formula down below. And does that include that?

Okay, it does. I'm just curious why the Thank you. Let's see what the increases. I mean, you got $73,876 in increased in budgeted salaries and wages. So, that's a significant increase between 26 and 27's proposed budget, line 406, right? So, you're wondering why this is. Well, I I mean the transfer capital projects fund where I we asked or I asked the question about that.

And so so that so this is something that we have taken out based on I had put the 18 million in. So this isn't unique to building. There was a couple of others that had transferred a capital projects fund in their budget because your capital projects fund doesn't have a revenue stream. It only gets revenue from the general fund putting money into it. So, I took all of that out for this budget under the assumption that the 18 million from the water credit sales would be going into capital projects.

That's different. We can of course adjust that, but it is like there's no money to do the capital projects unless we're putting money into it. Like it doesn't have its own revenue source outside of transfers in from the general fund. So consolidated projects for one more. Yeah. So there's so no department budget is contributing to the capital project at this time because of the if we do something different with it, we could adjust. Any other questions on any of that? I see. I see where the difference is.

Yeah, I knew I knew she'd have the answer. a little bit more. I was getting the debt thing getting the other answers. So the the 573 go sorry. So the 573876 and that reflects um the wages we currently have in the department now. Um for an entire year less than 3% colum. Yes. And the employee benefits and the health insurance that's all reflective of the increases that would happen there. And those are so those are a 5% increase based on what PHP is going to be charging us.

So you have a $67,000 decrease in the total budget, but you have a $73,000 increase because of the 154,750 on line 424. So I see where the math is now. split um bills and berries out of both budgets there and even like you I think my salary is split between the two departments. Yeah. And I think Barry's comes directly out of community development. So

but you know Tyson, Michael, myself were also considered into the size of these budgets as well. Proportionally. Okay. Any other questions on building? Okay. Then uh community development. You can see that there a lot of the increases there are directly related to um some new positions that were added. um my position Barry and Tayun

and then there were commensurate increases smaller increases but commensurate increases in the training budgets and and that kind of thing because we're training additional people as well so that makes sense I think in those places I hope one of the places that you'll see a significant redu reduction easy for me to today is in the uh uh engineering the the engineering services line item. Um we're we're keeping that budget still relatively high for this year and then we'll kind of see how it goes. We we do still use engineering services outside um the city, outside of Barry because um and it's it's useful to have that on on our books because there are projects and things that are done that require specialized skills that uh are outside of Barry's wheelhouse. He's he's really good. he's he can handle almost everything, but uh for example, flood plane administration um and and uh recommendations that way are a very specialized kind of skill set. And so to help offset that and to help with reviews with uh plans that do involve the flood plane, it's useful to have someone that we can tap to say uh please help us review these plans for uh flood plane impact. So that's why that looks the way it does. This may or may not fully get used and if it doesn't we'll reduce our budget numbers for next year. But we wanted to make sure that we had that even at a reduced rate still on our books. So if we did need it, it was available.

We kind of missed the boat on 26 budget. That was 50 grand. We spent 91,000 through six. Yeah. And that's a little bit of a a tricky number too because we do charge some of those numbers back to the developers for the in the review fees and things like that and they agree to pay uh when they apply they agree to pay uh any outside looks that we have at those things. So although the budget line item looks significant there we've also had a significant increase on the revenue side. Yeah.

So but we don't see that because that goes into the general fund. So it is so building and community development are kind of tricky. We have them in our financials that you guys get sent out. They're actually not included in the general fund and you'll see them in their own and so you'll see their revenue compared to their expenses. Um however during budgeting we do include them just all in general fund with their expenses and their revenue together because should they fall short in their revenues their expenses will be covered by the general fund. So it's not a true enterprise fund. Ultimately, it kind of operates even out, but it doesn't always work out that way. So,

our goal is and and that's why we have looks at the fee schedule on a regular basis to to make sure that we're our fees that we're charging do cover the expenses that are being incurred by new development in particular. It's not going to be a onetoone. Obviously, we do other things in the department that uh take time and money. Um but we Shelby said she has something like 120 applications that she's working on right now. Um, we had 52 building permits last year for new homes, just for new homes, not businesses or anything like that. Um, we're we're keeping busy and uh our our crew is very efficient and very lean and uh I feel really good about these numbers and and the direction that they're going. Um, I'm super proud of our employees. the work that they do is is the best quality around and u just I I couldn't ask for a better crew to work with just yeah and I know each department feels like theirs is the best but I would say that mine is hands down

nice sales pitch so any questions on any of We did have a pitch for uh an eyeworks new additional eyeworks module that we might be looking at and so that might get added to this. I she sent me the numbers. I can't remember what they were. They were like seven grand or something like that. And that would help us with our streamline our our operations and in and have a different forward-f facing applications portal for uh developers and applicants so that they know where they're at in the status and who's reviewing what and all of those kinds of things. So that could be useful going forward, but again it's one of those things that we need to decide if we want to pay for it or not. So um that could be something that we'll bring forward. that was just this today a after that's why we had to leave was to go talk to them about that. So, um we're we're going to have a follow-up with them on that and we'll get those numbers to you as soon as we can.

So, it's an online portal portal program that allows the GC to go in and see the status of what permits still outstanding. And that's exactly right. And what the status is on the reviews and all of those kinds of things. if there's any payments that are anything like that in the city.

We kind of do, but we rely more on email communication that way and there's not really a forward- facing eyework portion of that. And so we we send letters out to people and things we generate through IWorks uh code enforcement and that kind of thing and we keep track of our own internal stuff there. But this would add that that uh customerf facing module on and that that seemed like a useful thing. So um We'll let you know. Yeah. So, specifically on line 450, grant expense $115,000 for a general plan. That's our matching amount. No, we're getting a $100,000 from WFRC.

Okay. And then the the 15 would be our match on that that one. Okay. So, if we're getting So, that would be money. there would be a there would be a a revenue stream in under grants. You got it reflected in grants. So yeah, 100 grants.

The hard part with grants and that is something that I have to bring up that we kind of touched on a little bit in our meeting this morning is grants are hard because every grant application asks if you have the project budgeted and if we don't we have to say no and that doesn't work out great. So we this one ultimately costs us 15,000 but we have 100,000 in revenue and 115 coming out. So our part is 15,000 but I have to show that in our budget we have that project budgeted for to be completed. And so that's one caveat with grants that I think has been what we really need to start focusing on because there's been a lot of times where Alexis has been asked to go after a grant and technically we don't have we don't have that that project budgeted and so it it's a catch 22, right? Because if you budget for it, where's it going to how does it show up in our budget? But if it's not budgeted for the grants, it doesn't look as well as on a grant because it seems like it's not a project that the city was actually planning to do anyway.

So So where's the other $100,000? Can you show us exactly where it is up on the revenue? So yeah, let's see. I know it's a lot to scroll all the way back up to. So here we Oh, I actually put it in 115. So I do need to reduce it, but it's here in grant revenue for community development, but it should only be 100,000. Oh, not a million. Yes, a million. Thank you. That's surprise. I solved so many problems. Just needs to add some zer. We're going to be fine.

Yeah. So that is right here. So that will actually be um a grant revenue specific line. So, oh, I already got past it. So, by me open up my big mouth, I just lost this $15,000. Yeah, sorry. But I mean, good good for transparency, but it is budgeted. This included revenue. So, I'm sorry. But $15,000 is a good buy in to get a hundred,000. Yeah, that's that's money well spent. We all understand we want to do that, right?

Yeah, grants are Yeah, that's something we have to do. One of the things we talked about this morning too and and um I'm not sure if you guys had heard the news or not, but we had a meeting um late last week with the uh folks at the Army Depot about uh Colonel Road. I don't know, did you guys hear about that? Yeah, we heard.

Yeah. So the exciting news is that the value though that um we we get from having the depot participate with us in that uh that project is that we can leverage that the value of the land in grants and grant proposals going forward. So Barry told me that it's just a ballpark but the the land that he had kind of pencileled in the value of that was about two and a half million. instead of us having to go pay for that, the the grant from the depot would could then be used to go and leverage um that could be a matching to exactly we can we can use that to leverage and get grants for what was maybe

FEMA FEMA and then maybe they called it maybe Maida maybe we can get some of that sweet money or whatever. Um, but the the idea is that uh it it all kind of works together. And so um that's how we're we're approaching this, trying to find creative ways to leverage money that we don't really have to uh get more money that we don't have yet. So it's a good plan.

Yeah, we're working it. Any other thoughts or questions on that? Okay. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Want to go next? Yes, please. All right. So, you know me as judge, but today I'm the justice uh court director, Jamie Topham. I'm not appearing in my judicial capacity is, but I'm comparing in my director capacity. Uh, so let's look at my budget. Uh, what happened to our wages?

I adjusted yours to be the proper amount, but it can't go down. Remember? No, that's the same because before I had in I had you budgeted for the same amount with a 3% increase. Okay. So, I kept it I it reduced down to what a current is without 3% on anyone on just you. We guide the girls at 3%. Okay. But you have to do and you did my 3% increase. I kept yours at the rate that it was. Oh, it has to go up 3%. Okay. So, go up 3%. I'm sorry. This is just miscommunication between us. Yes. This is what's complicated. I'll change that one back.

My department is a separate entity, a separate branch of government. However, you guys provide us the money. So, I have these different hats that I wear. One of the hats that I wear is as a judge and there's a specific statute about how you pay me and it's dependent on workload but once it's set you can't decrease it even if my workload decreases. This last year for transparency the city the state sent out or the AOC sent out that our workload my workload went down. So it was 2.24% last year and this year it says it's at 09%. What happened is they went back and they reweed the different types of cases. In reality, our case load over there has gone up dramatically. So, for example, in April of 2025, we had 66 case filings. April of 2024, it was about the same, 66 case filings. April of 2026, we had 166 case filings. And that's just going up. As the police department does their job, we it creates more of a job for us. I don't know why the AOC decided to wait the case load the way they did because it has certainly not gone down. Um we've created efficient efficiencies over there. We've created some efficiencies with how the prosecution um handles cases that can be handled a little bit more administratively, but it has not reduced the case the workload on my staff. So, right when I took when I came or actually right before I came to the court, we had two full-time people when right before I started, they reduced that to one and a half and we're at one and a half, but we really need two. And I've I looked at the budget.

I'm a realist and uh so we're at one and a half, but I've asked that we look into being able to bring on a second part-time person before the next fiscal year because I don't know that my current staff can handle the case load. And uh the current one of the part-timer that I have now is going to have to transition to remote because she has to relocate out of Grantsville City because she can't continue to reside here and work for part-time wages. Another added thing that for you guys to consider, and I'm giving all this information because I don't know if you guys know anything about the court or how we run or what's what we do, but the judicial assistants, it's pretty specialized. They have a lot of training that they have to go through to become pretty effic uh proficient and it's been at least a year takes them at least a year to get to where they're really proficient where they can take care of anything at any given time. So to replace somebody like that is a is a huge pull of resources or if we have to do the timing uh training and I don't have another person to do the training if we have to get a new person. My current full-timer would have to do that and we don't have a budget for overtime or anything like that. Um so all of that needs I I would like you to take into consideration what I'm asking for. My ultimate ask would have been a full-time person so that I could keep my c my current other part-time judicial assistant here in Gratzville. I understand that's not working out. She's going to make a transition. We're going to make it work. But I really like you to consider a second part-time position, and I understand that city council has to make a decision on that rather than us just going and hiring. Um, beyond that, our budget's extremely thin. Um, we are very efficient over there. We try to do everything electronically and uh as little paper as possible. There are some things that we can't get around. So, our um supplies are low. Our parts

and equipment um this this last year we actually did a lot of expenditures the year before and we sometimes try to make it work with the police department. like we got last year we got the um electronic fingerprint machine that makes things much more efficient for both departments and we shared that as a budget. So you'll see that that stays pretty low but I don't I can't anticipate what's coming next so I'd rather not reduce that but we've reduced pretty much everything else that we possibly can. Oh I was starting to tell you about my rates. So, when you see that the workload went down, there's also on that letter, it suggests what the pay is, and it's less than what I'm currently earning, but you can't change my pay during a term. So, and it says that all in the letter, so take a time to read it. I don't know if you've gotten it, but um just I'm putting that information out there for you so you understand. And you do have to do the same increase that you would do for other employees in the same department.

Okay. So, I do give you the Yes. Okay. Sorry about that. You're good. I had it in there before and then after this morning I was like, "Oh, I'll take it out then." Well, I did the math. It wasn't mathing at 3% for the whole department. But that's why I asked about it. Do you have any questions? Do you want me to clarify anything else? I do. Where the baiff wages, where did they go? They were So, the baift wages are actually in the police department's budget and I believe that that's Yeah. So, that just goes into the overtime. So, we Why is it not in the judicial that money? Can we put it in the judicial line? I mean it was there before. Why did it get you have to reduce it from the overtime for the police and then Oh, that's where we pay for it. Is the overtime budget for

And my understanding is it all comes out of the general fund. So it's Does it really matter? Does it What? I said it doesn't really matter then. You're saying because it all comes out of the general fund whether we put it in yours or theirs, right? Yeah. And we have to they have to by statute they have to provide us baifts and they do. It's great. They I mean we never have an issue. We always have the baift support that we need. We always have whatever transport we need. Um that's working really well. How the finances work is in my department. Well, I guess like I guess it doesn't really matter. As long as it's being budgeted for, they know that they

which so I mean goes to another officer when you've got people covering the courts on a a day. That's another officer you've got off the streets. And it's not only one, you've got multiple like because you have one coming in doing at the front and then one How many do you usually have? Minimum two, but most of the time it takes three. Yeah. And it's cor once a week I think right

that's that's correct we're typically just in the morning we will have small claims or trials in the afternoon on Thursdays so since um when I came in they were doing two or three days a week uh now we're one day a week we made it as efficient as possible uh also thinking about attorney time so his resources are are you know focused on one day for our court and then he can focus on city matters otherwise and the same with um legal defenders. So, I mean, I don't know how much more efficient we could possibly get. As it grows, we may have to change and we'll I'll evaluate as we go, but right now it's working well.

So, you're asking the judicial is another part-time. That's what you'd really like to get. Who do we have there right now? Valerie. I have Valerie Barrett and uh Jordan Courtney. Valerie's full-time and then Jordan's part-time. Okay. And uh by sick statute we have to have hours that were available to the public. We're meeting those even with our the way that we structure our time. Um so what is the cost of that request roughly? So the cost of the request for the at turning my part-timer into a full-time was roughly 26,000 additional 26. Okay.

And then so part-time person is probably a little bit less than that. But that was a conversation we had this morning, so I didn't have time to put that together for you. The other uh unique thing about me and my position is I'm the only part-time director. So, I'm happy to answer questions and come to things when I can, but I'm also still working full-time and other endeavors. So, any other questions? Thank you, Judge. Thank you. Thank you. Can we take a quick break? Yeah. Five minutes. They have a five minute adjournment.

I will. You ready, Alicia?

Okay, we are back in our special work meeting. And do we have another Oh, Chief Sager is going to give some information. up a little bit. We reduce this a little bit, but uh some of the the cost here, the public, um donates a lot of food and and resources to the shelter. So, that's why we're able to keep that price down. So, that's significant. And then, um our officers, this is a part-time position. the officers take care of the animals when when they're not there. And so that's kind of a hidden cost as well, what they're cleaning the kennels, walking them, and doing all the stuff when we don't have him. But uh and that's pretty slim budget. So

yes, it is for a to run the run our own animal shelter. That's but that that hidden cost is within the the police department. They usually go out there like twice a day or something like morning, night, clean. Um, and make sure to feed them, clean them, walk them. Yeah. How much were you proposing to put in the capital project savings fund this last week? There was a there was an amount. I think Michael had suggested 2 million. We need to build a new building because right now it's at the sewer treatment plant building location. Yeah.

When we have the new plant in operation in two years. So, we need to start contemplating how we're going to pay for that. Whether it's a bond that we pay for that or start saving up now, pay for a new building or trying to coordinate efforts with the county and twilla to do a another joint animal shelter and whether that go takes a lot of risk. We increase that pay towards that. We're still in the very beginning stages of that. We just need to be aware that that is on the horizon. That we're probably calling your capital projects fund as well. So that could be a use of water as well potentially. I've instructed

and if you put that number in there, that's where we'd have to take it from. We'd have to we'd have to put something up in revenue to cover. We would want to put it in the capital fund one with the 18 million. Otherwise, the property tax it would just Yeah. shoot it through the roof. Yeah. Even larger, which we can't do. So yes, it's the same thing with the fire department and a new ladder truck. Yes. Correct.

And then the same I mean the animal control, we could use a full-time person, right? And that's that's outlined, but where we're at with the budget is the the officers are just going to have to keep doing what they're doing. And then I wanted to make sure on the police budget I sent the information over. I didn't go into what we needed. I thought I'd share that last week just so you guys have the information and kind of see. So if you have questions on that, I would I was hoping to answer them here if you but as long as you got the information was my concern. But that should tie up my budgets. So yeah, thank you.

Yeah, I think we've gone through most of that. I know we could hit now just our city hall general government budget line. Um but looking through here, I think we've heard from everyone else. So guess the Oh yeah. Yeah, good point. Okay, start with that.

Okay, so we do have our community relations budget which is basically our budget that allows Grantsville City to participate in community events. So this is where you'll find our Fourth of July budget, our donation to things such as the Grantville socialable, the CJC. We do have a small Grantsville High School scholarship, the Bears family scholarship. Um, this is where we also now have the rodeo. Um, you know, we had we did include your guys' training. We moved this from the general fund city budget to this one just because this is mayor council more rather than we didn't want it to get mixed in with city staff. We just wanted to separate it out. So,

and we did reduce the small business alliance. Yeah. So, Michael did renegotiate that. So now we are still supporting and contributing to this. It's just at a lesser a little lower level. We have unless council wants to keep it as is. But yeah,

talking to them, Tilla and the county pay 20,000 each. And I figured that because we're proportionately smaller of a city, we should definitely have a smaller portion of that contribution. They'll still be providing services for us for our small our small businesses and different things like that, but we'll be um we'll need to notify them this what the amount the council wants to reduce to let them know that so they can have that in their budget or you can reduce it. Nothing. I still feel like the value of what they bring to our small businesses here is important.

One thing to note is the employee appreciation line. So um this is separate from our department employee appreciation. So this is what funds the annual um Christmas party for the city employees for the city staff the little lunchon that we did last year along with like the city like the voucher to go to Soulberg or Macy's or CAM or whatever. And then there's also a buffer in there for employee appreciation lunches should that take event. And then also an option maybe potentially for a small summer event, but majority of that is the Christmas party. It does take up a substantial amount.

I'm not seeing any what we donated to the stock show. We bought as a we bought a pig and a sheep from a Grantsville youth group. So that's included in community relations. So you'll see over here that community relations there may Yeah. So that that's what that budget is used for. So that's what's justifying the 10,000 and then it had a 3% increase that made a 103, but that's what it's spent on is those items. I have a question on employee tuition reimbursement. is that if everybody suddenly decides go to school, do we have to pay? Can we first come first serve first? And then that's it. That's your budget. You're done. Yeah.

Um and then will you have eliminated on the rodeo? But is it is the 25,000 in the budget or not?

So that has changed since this morning to this afternoon to this morning. It's gone back and forth a lot. So um that we would appreciate council's advice on. Um, I do think based on the interest that we've gauged, it would be nice to assume that every year we're going to have sponsors to cover the cost of the rodeo. Um, but I similar to with grants, I do think that it I have a hard time planning an event knowing that we don't have budget in there. And so it would eventually potentially hopefully be a wash. Um, but it's hard to know what the continued support will be for the event in future years where this year it has gotten a huge support. Um, you know, we're bringing it back. It's our first year back. Um, and Shelby has done amazing to get the sponsors for that. Um,

so to be sure this the rodeo for this 25,000 would cover a stock contract and a clown um, and then that's it. So, of course, we would like to get sponsors and reduce that cost down, but then we also have other costs, you know, that are incurred with that. You know, we have portable restrooms that are being brought in to meet the requirements for the mass gathering. We have to get permits, mass gathering permits and um special event permits. Um we also have to pay to have um like EMTs there. Yeah. Just different things that end up coming. That is a cost for the police. Yeah. So the 25,000, you know, and parks, facilities, maintenance, a lot of those are not.

Yeah. So the 25,000 is just the stock contractor at the time. So where's the revenue anticipated to to get from that event from ticket sales and from donations in the in the lineup above? So where's where's that where where's that even out? Yeah. So So it's not just a negative, right? Were you taking that into into account?

So right now it does not I Oh, right here. So it's budgeted for revenue at 35,000. So and it's I hope that that's all we get. That would that is an estimate. And it's really hard because we don't we haven't even finished this year yet and we don't have the previous year's data to go off of. But I do have 35,000 budgeted there. So according to this, it pays for itself according to what you have on paper. Yeah. And plus 10 plus $10,000. Yeah. But this year, do we have the stock contract in the in the closing? No, we do. Yeah. Yeah. And the plan and the donations.

And the donations. Yeah. It's fully funded this year. With extra. So to help repair the the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. There's been a lot of improvements. Lots of improvements. Community support. Lots of donations. Yeah. It's been incredible. Yeah. Lots of volunteering. Lots of volunteering. It's been They're out there tonight picking up frogs.

They were there Saturday. They were there Saturday. Oh yeah. Did you guys have any more questions about this one? I guess before we move on. So, and then our last one is

Tyson is online. We did adjust the location of where we put up, please.

Yeah. So, we can talk about this. This goes in hand in hand with our um so I'll talk and then we can see if Tyson wants to say something, but we had this legal services line previously in the city hall budget. Um then last year, so fiscal year 26 was the first year that legal had its own department budget. So previously it was all in here. So last year they didn't budget for anything in legal services in the city hall. However, we have spent out of it. Um and so for next year we did put in a small amount for our recorder to use for a water attorney for water credit, water shares, water rights. I'm not the water person, so I'm probably say whatever she uses in her water. Um, and then we did do in legal services in our legal department's budget, we did increase that to cover basically we have high legal expenses, a lot of litigations that are ongoing right now. Um, as Tyson mentioned in our meeting this morning, you know, kind of depending on how these litigations start to fall, like we could be done with some of them soon and that would no longer be an expense. It's just hard to know kind of how they're going. So, but for transparency, I want to budget an appropriate amount rather than underbudgeting and continuously going over budget. So that's the number we fell on felt like was appropriate to account for the city hall as well as legal services within the legal department. Um this amount might seem low for their salaries and wages but again the legal staff is split out across various department budgets because they assist

everybody everyone. Um and then of course their benefits office. So back to that, sorry. So I thought that that that was in those other budget line items. Um so in addition to what what we have here, you have other monies set aside in in different departments for the legal department to assist them. Like for instance, Bill's department, which he assists quite often with with his So they don't pay. So just in the salary line. So basically Kaisen proportionately split out into like building and community development, water, sewer, garbage in addition to this line item right here. Yes. Yes.

How many people do we have in it? Just um it's three. So we have Tyson and then two staff. Okay.

Um their office supply did go down, you know, just reducing their accuracy. Their computer software went down. Um art supplies went down. We got rid of their CDs why um we mentioned legal services um internet did go up 3% it's you know average they're paying for mobile 56 employee appreciation is their three employees and then we did adjust that down for accuracy and then So the big item is lily line 165 legal services and moving that from up above to there and you guys fell on that 185 number.

Do you do you feel like that that number could could be any less? I mean it definitely could be more. I mean I I get it. I understand. But I think depending on the current litigations and the possibility of going to appeal, I don't think so. That's a great question. Council member Butler, this is Tyson online. Can you hear me now? Yeah.

Terrific. Um, so we when looking at these uh legal services, those that that is sort of a number that's that's hard to target. Um, you know, I I I mentioned this morning, well, we don't know if that number should be 300,000 or if it should be 150,000. Um, we're obviously trying to shoot for the lowest amount possible on that. And part of what we do is in in in the legal department is we uh, you know, not only respond to problems after they happen, but what we try to do is reduce the amount of legal resources that we expend on. um liability on on on behalf of the city. We we try to um advise the different departments on ways that we can reduce risk. Um and that that's a hard number to quantify as to how much we've uh avoided by by uh spending the the the legal resources where we have. Um but with the the the legal services, there's there's always going to be some need for it. Um the uh practice of municipal law is is quite varied and so there there is always going to be a need for bond specialists, for water specialists, um land use specialists from time to time, litigators, um but um with that um that that number will likely come down. I' I've been looking around at some cities of similar size. Um, Heber City, for example, in 2025, they had budgeted about $150,000 for their uh legal services budget out of their legal department. And uh this year they they've budgeted much much much less than that. And so their their budget has gone quite down quite a bit. I would imagine it's because they had some major litigation that had been resolved. So to the extent we're able to resolve some some of the litigation that

we're going through and not replace it with new litigation um you know that that that number will go down. Um beyond that um to to sort of echo what Judge Tobam has has mentioned we've we've noticed an increase year to date from last year in in prosecution cases. So, we're up 69% over last year in in cases that we're prosecuting. Um, that's that's pretty significant. That means that about half of our resources are going towards prosecution. While I only spend about one day in court doing prosecution work, um, our our our staff and and myself, we we daily handle handle these cases. So, we're screening them every day. where uh we're uh corresponding with with defense council and working with victims and uh it's it's it's quite task heavy um just on the prosecution side and with a with a growing city there's uh um quite a bit of additional load on on on the civil side too. Um so we're we're trying to reduce risk as as the city grows. Thank you, Tyson.

Suggestion on that line, council. We're just lary of doing it too low right now where we have all the different litigations. I think we're three different litigations, possibly four. D have to give me the exact number, but it is substantial more so than we actually really want right now. Yeah, I apologize. I'm trying to pull up our actuals as of currently, but my I'm having a hard time getting Excel back up, but I could, assuming I get there, can give you a current spending on legal services as of today.

It would be nice to know because I mean, I think that that number could go down a little bit. So if it's going to move the needle that much, but I'll keep trying here. Unless there was any other questions on that budget.

This is the catch all. Yeah. So, this is a city hall budget. It includes HR, city manager, finance, city reporter. Um that's finances, but yeah. Um and basically just this building aside from the legal um and then this one, just to note, it does include this line item does include that additional 30,000 for the compensation study that's being asked for. Um but if that is taken out then that line item is budgeted at 17,500 and that's what Heidi's asking for.

Yes sir. Y so and that is included in the property tax impact statement in the property tax rate increase. So that line item is yeah just for but Nothing in here is for city hall remodel, right?

We took they didn't do it. Sorry.

Um, we could probably argue that computer support services. I mean 43,000 budgeted in 26 and 9,500 budgeted in 27. I I I like the thought there, but where are we accounting for it elsewhere? So some of this so computer support services we only have one computer support staff through Legion technology that's Dean Y

but there are other items that were coming out of here and they shouldn't happen. So they've got moved to computer software which is a more appropriate profile for them because we do want computer support services across the board to only reflect Legion technology. So they did get moved out into um computer software. So you will note that computer software budget did go up which is this slide.

So um I did note that some of the things that we do use um Google is the large one um and then we use pay for our payroll. Castell is our ERP uh it's supposed to be I apologize that's a typo. Reverb is for invoices. Reise docuign Adobe you know the list can go on but that's just some example of some high you know, cost software that we do have.

Is it the vehicle stipen that says two employees receive 43301? Yes. So, that one did go up. So, you can notice it looks like it doubled. um it wasn't budgeted for properly in fiscal year 26 and then I found that it wasn't pulling out pay correctly either which is why it looks like they hadn't spent any of it. Um I have since fixed that with HR so that's been addressed corrected. So it does come out of this line rather than salaries and wages where it was coming from before. But there are two employees that receive a vehicle assignment as the negotiation contract and it they get that at 43313 and so to cover that the budget needs to be 10,000 for that.

Yes. So I noticed that there's employee appreciation for all the departments but then in the community relations we have like the Christmas party and things like that. So kind of tell me how that is.

So that's what the discretion of the department head but it's just budget for them to be able to like show rather than just the once a year city appreciation. It allows it to be more specific to departments. So, some departments may opt to do like their own personal event such as like a bowling party. Others may want lunches throughout the summer. So, they that's what the department head uses that budget on to help keep their staff, you know, motivated, morale, that kind of thing. Outside of the anniversaries they have employed,

it gives them that budget. they al you know they could buy bereavement flowers or what that it just kind of gives the department head some wiggle room to show their budget. That is one thing that we did standardize though at just the 150 an employee. Um

but obviously it's not like necessarily how that works out because you expect to buy lunches and everything like that. The whole staff eats you been able to pull up the legal services?

No, I was actually going to just say I'm going to step out and see if my computer because it keeps saying that it can't connect to my desktop over there. So, I'm just going to go make sure that that's still on because it was work. You know, you saw I had it up earlier. So, I'm just going to step out and do that one fast. But Michael can always ask you questions. Well, you guys, while she does that, are you guys okay if I give you a little bit of information? Yeah, absolutely.

So, as these guys are talking about their staffing, I think it's important to mention that our city runs very lean. Um, and I see that straight across the board. You know, Tyson's talking about his legal going up 69%. They're talking about triple cases over in the courts. and we're running in risk of our employees turn, you know, increased turnover, decreased morale, increased liability when we run this lean with our staff. So, I think it's really important that you guys hear those things. Same with our volunteer firefighter firefighters. They're struggling getting people to volunteer. People are working, you know, full-time jobs, two jobs. And so often during the day when our chief is hearing people call in for fires, he's thinking, "Come on, who's going to pick that up?" Because we don't have enough firefighters. Our volunteer um they do a lot of things like Fourth of July. Those often are 16-our days for them and it's all volunteer. So we need to be thinking about as our city grows, what are we going to be doing? Our FTEEs have to grow. Right now, we're at 83.5, which we talked um about our 99 employees, right? 73 full-time, 26 part-time. And as you guys look at, are you going to do an increase? Are you not going to do an increase? Um I wanted to give you some information about some other cities that we've pulled. So, there's been 67 total response on what other cities are doing for their employees. And the average on the cola is 2.41%. 41% and the merit is 2.81%. Some cities are going as high as 6.70 because they've done compensation studies and have determined, hey, our our employees are really low. Um,

there's also cities going as high as 7% in their merit. So, I'll give you guys all this information so you have this, but I think it's important that we we invest in our staff, right? If we lose some of our long-term employees, it costs $100,000 to get another employee in here and trained up to what a 30-year-old or an employee that's been with the city for 30 years, their knowledge is just gone. So, when we talked about what we do for our our employees, I think it's important that we think of those things. I know you guys have a really hard job um and a lot of decisions to make, but our staff deserve kind of little plug. So, they work really hard for what we do.

Thank you. You're welcome. The camera is we have our debt services on behalf. expend that we have to pay for we have the continuation of park that will carry over to the next year for scenic slopes the two main ones that are consolidated most of the projects so then that's where county that we have a talk to develop on that they're post date they're going to give us is the end of the two weeks.

Checks in the mail though, huh? Not received yet.

So that covers pretty much the entire budget that we have for the general. There any other spots you want to go back and revisit? I've been a lot of questions, but they're at a higher like level, so I I don't have any more line item questions. Um, and I'm sorry, but so the total spend on legal services so far this year is 129,35 and that's as of today. So, you know, second week of May. So, we still have

Can we move that number to 150 grand? Just I I mean 30 what? $35,000. I think that's more realistic. I made some notes in regards to the cemetery. So the there there's the the widening of the roads that 100 grand that we didn't spend that we allocated last year. we didn't spend. Is there I mean, could there could the approach be well maybe we might not be able to do all that 100 grand this year and we budget 50 grand of that and designate that amount. You kind of see where we're at. I mean, is that

will that not have to rewiden the roads and keep it as it is right now? I I ran into a roadblock yesterday and I couldn't get past and so I just reversed down the street and could fifth route. And one thing to consider with that one specifically since it is such a large amount that's unspent in this year, we could say that that one is coming from rather we could take it out from a property tax increase perspective and account for it from fund balance because ultimately it would because it's unspent expenditure at the end of when we close out fiscal year 26, it would go into fund balance which we could then say we're pulling it back to roll forward into.

Well, let's do that. Okay. Is that okay? You okay with that? Okay. And then so I'll do that and I did reduce to legal. So I changed legal just so everyone sees. Sorry I did it while we were talking. So we reduced it to 150 for that. And then this one for cemetery. Cemetery maybe. Here we go. Okay. So I'll put it over Okay. It was like 90 something. Yep. $90,000.

Um, but really it'll come across. It shouldn't be considered in a property tax increase. So, I'll put it on here as nothing, but we'll note that really it will be budget. Yeah. But it'll be a rollover. So, there will be some of that use from the fund balance over for that one. So, you'll see it in the budget, but you won't it won't be a part of the assessment right now. Yeah. It won't be considered in what's needed to get from property taxes. Does that sound good? We all on the same page with that one. Yeah. I mean, yeah. What other areas can we do that in? Anyone else see any other spots? No. That was a good idea. Yeah. And with that one, it's like a substantial amount.

In general, I'm going to try to save as much money as I can and try to roll ineneral its own thing. Not buy anything else. What's there is there? I'm going to try to just Yeah, but it just any emergency need I got to do. But otherwise, we're all kind of Yeah, it's like I'm trying to freeze everything just to try to help with this. I'm not Yeah, in general I think we're all going to get Yeah. But kind of that same thing by doing this. It doesn't mean that we can't widen those roads, right? No, it will still

It'll still happen. Roll it over. Yeah, we're just using the budget that was budgeted for for this year that wasn't used next year. How much of the budget last year falls into that excess? I mean, if you were to throw a a dart at the board, obviously we had had some that was some overruns, but but did we come in under? Are you are you pretty confident, Michael and Alexis, I mean I'm sorry, that we could that we could hit that number? No. No. Um, mostly we can have an overrun.

Mostly because when I look here for the budgeted amount and what's actually been spent as of February is, you know, so sorry that's not 16, that's six. Yes. So we will have a substantial amount that still rolls in um to budget balance like I mentioned at the beginning of the meeting. However, but there's Sorry, go ahead. I was going to say there's been less revenue in the the growth side. So that might offset that a little bit that we must got to take be aware of

because we were planning on a 5% increase in growth and we only had 2.9. Is that why? Let's Yeah, I'll grab some I'll snip some so we can try to get some here because Okay, so for our revenues for fiscal year 26, they were estimated at 13.6. As of February, we had collected 8 02. Um, and then like the opposite side of that, the expenditures were expected at were budgeted at 16 million 360. I'll actually type them in there so you guys can see rather than just having my screenshot. Okay. So that's this is obviously the revenue and then this is just the expenditure from below that's hold up and this is as of this one I mean yeah um so and as I mentioned before we're not going to have 100% spending and we're not going to have 100% revenue collection either. So, will there be some that goes back into general fund? Yes. And like I had mentioned before, that 2.4 million is likely to go up because we're not going to have 100% expense. What's hard though is we need our budget to balance. And so, if we're approving projects and different line items to be included in this year's budget, we have to have the revenue to account for that as well. And so, yes, it there will be some that we can roll over. With the cemetery, it's a little more straightforward because it is such a large amount. It does make a difference. The other ones, it would be

minimally less, you know, potentially for that. So, like I mean using for some of the budgets, their actuals are over spending, you know, but overall in their budget they're looking okay. So, yeah. And you guys can see that each month in the monthly financials. It does give you an overview at the very bottom of like where they're at with their actual um expenditures within their budget as of

that. Yeah, I know we're talking about decreasing stuff here where we could cut numbers, but I'm also concerned about the morale and just every department that's got up is like, "Hey, we're scrumping. We're getting by." like we're going to lose valuable employees if we and and I I mean I'm every department has done a great job of trying to like cut down but I think if we're like we need to see what they actually need versus like wants and I'm not I'm not nothing on here but I assume it's been like frivolous I mean no surprise my concern is public safety that's a need to me that's not a want like if we've got people running thin you know fire and the fire even like the jaws of life we should try and get one of those you know I mean I think that at least one officer. Again, no surprise. I I see what it is. I see how lean they're running all the time. And I'm sure every department is. It's not just the police department. But, you know, if if the police are, you know, like fire trying to get someone to a fire, how how would you like to call and be like, "Sorry, nobody come to my house for an hour on a domestic violence." Like, that's not an option. Or I've got only one officer coming and nobody to back them up. Like, that's that's just not okay in my mind. So, like, you know, they also like if somebody's out, somebody's got to cover for them. It's not like you say, "Oh, hey, I I'm sick today. I'll just be in tomorrow and I'll finish my work." They're constantly, you know, and they also have I mean, every department does. I'm not saying this is just to public safety, but I do think that public safety is a concern, you know. I mean, it's Yeah, we didn't have the growth, but we're also we've also lost officers. We we've got volunteer firefighters that are we're hoping to get. So, how do we keep them? How do we, you know, just in general too, like the compensation study, I'm a little bit worried about. I think it's good that we have it, but I'm afraid that it's going to come back and show that we're paying quite a bit less and how do we how do we

that's the catch 22 about spending that 30 grand,

right? That well, in my mind, I see it one of two ways. We get it back and it says you're paying too little and then we say, "Okay, now we have to try and keep these employees." I think most people know what they're getting paid relatively to other people when they when they come here. But I also think that, you know, they're going to say, "Hey, well, we deserve more." And they do. I mean, you know, but then where are we find fitting that in the budget or it says you're overpaid, which is not going to happen, but if it did, they would be like, we can't reduce it, you know. So, I'm a little bit worried about the compensation study just because I from what I've seen, I think Grantsville is lower than what I've seen from other places. But, and we need those good employees. That's the problem, especially as we bring in more commercial. We've got to have employees to fill those to fill those positions within the city. That's and I'm so the other question I have is the $18 million we're getting from the water credits. Can that be used as revenue somewhere like in our budget? We can say this revenue I right now we're putting in capital projects funds but can we use it as just revenue?

Yeah. So we could move however much of it into the general fund as you see appropriate. My caution there would be I think it is unwise to use one-time money to fund ongoing expenses and my fear would be we would continue operating at a budget that we can't afford

and further the gap in the future and then depending on what happens at legislature or other events you know like a pandemic or things that happen may limit our want or desire to increase a rate at that point. like there's always a reason not to. And so my fear of using onetime money to cover ongoing expenses is kicking the can down the road and furthering the gap in the future that we're not.

It seems like what we've kind of been doing like you know but I also have an issue with being like we're going to increase 84% and then we've got 18 million, you know. So it kind of looks like hey we've got this 18 I'm not I agree like we can't say oh hey don't worry we have this 18 million everybody gets what they want. I get that. Yeah. But I'm also like, hey, we're going to increase 84% for the property tax for the homeowners while we have this 18 million. I mean, we got to strike a balance.

Yeah, that's what I'm like. Maybe we have some kind of compromise where we can say, okay, these things are we have to have these things and so we don't do the 84%. Maybe we go to I don't know what the magic number would be, but we reduce it to 50 60%. Um, and use a little bit of that money to kind of cover cover us. Um, I don't know. That was that's just what I'm thinking. I just think going to be hard for the citizens to say they're I think they're going to feel like they're um they're providing all of this based on the reduction of the million that we've already done so far. I think as trying to get

Yeah. So um I would need to verify but just ref numbers right now to make up to get up here. You see that 1.2 if need to make up. So that would reduce an increase to 60%. Yeah. Which reduces the monthly burden to a res the average resident to $19.94 a month a month from the 27. So So we were at 1.7, we're now 1.2. We were at 84, now we're at 60. We're doing good.

So we're headed we're headed in the right direction. But I do think and maybe with this is like we I don't know talked to department heads but I'm like I do think again I'm worried about morale of the city of you know keeping retention in all of our departments. And so I mean the 3% and and I think this was Heidi that said this that you know we're just doing the cost of living. We're not getting any merit increases on any of this. So and and you know a lot of the citizens have been complaining our wages aren't going up. I mean, I don't know. Anyways, I'm just

And that's kind of why we were thinking of doing that compensation study is because it's tough to gauge where that should go without that study and that third party would help give us that guidance because we've never done one. Again, it's normal practice for most cities to do one every five to 10 years. So, getting that baseline would be super helpful then to go the next year. There are some that are really, really low. Then we spent a lot of revenue of increase for them and those that are high increases their salary for that time period. So the $100,000 we just took out, but we added $45,000 for jobs, right?

We took $30,000 or $35,000 out of legal. So is that all reflected in that number? Is that is your are your calculations um changing in real time as we're as we're moving this or Yeah, they should. So should

Yeah, we'll check. So that's the total of these ones. That's the total of this. Just making sure it's pulling from the right cells here. And then so that's correct. And then so this formula is subtracting um our general revenue which went down our 15,000 um to which is right here um from our general expenses just to see the gap that we have to bridge. deficit.

Yeah. And right now you said that's like a 60 something% where you got down to

maybe like Yeah, like 59 and a bit percent, but yeah, I could get you a solid number once I can actually get because more so than like the percent it would be the exact proposed rate is the most important part because that's the part that actually gets applied to all the residents. So, there was one area that we talked about a little bit ago about streets and Ben's wages and and was just I mean budget-wise, could we think a little bit outside the box? I thought there was $100,000 there that we could maybe tackle and reallocate monies that would be paid for out of capital projects. We kind of talk about that. I thought the I thought our approach was conservative and I appreciate that, but um I just think, you know, if we can if we can tackle two or three or maybe even four of these and get that number um less than less than a million, I think we we we've done done a done a good job if we can do it. So, just asking the question. Um, do you have to do that instead of just on Ben's salary? You do it on

Well, I'm just saying all the employees for streets. Yeah, because that would be the only the one because the class C road fund is it's the enterprise fund. There's not really another enterprise fund that kind of operates that similarly, but you'd have to do it on every one of the employees to reduce that salary down. So, you could kind of do that the same way you're doing with bands, but for everyone streets, they'd have to track their hours really, really closely. So we don't come up with the audit problem at the end of the year. Just asking if it can be done. Yeah.

Heidi, did you not just tell us that other cities were not doing a 3% cola? Did you not just say that a lot of them were at two 2.6? The average the average for cola is 2.41. But then you said they they were also doing merit ones with those and they are and the average merit is 2.81. So So how do we look at what happens? Okay. See what you're saying. So the combined total increase average is 5 to 6%. So we're underneath that.

Okay. And I guess I just have a question on the police budget because we we're deciding that that's step or is it cola, right? So there they would be step. The question would be the guys that are topped out that wouldn't be getting a step increase because they're already at the highest step. So if we're doing a cola, they would get that 3% if we call it a merit. Well, we're calling it a cola for everybody else, but we're saying we're not we're doing it. I guess what do you might mean a me problem. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just kind of I just guess I'm confused. The step is a step, right? That's what's in there. If you do a cola, you do the cola and the step and the whole weight scale goes up, right? That's how it should.

But I thought the step was already approved. Like it was something previous. So why are we not doing the step and the cola for that's we're doing cola for every other but we're saying you guys are just getting the step. I kind of did a proposal where I thought we should be after looking at many departments in that PowerPoint as well. But I added some shift differentials as well to because that's common. But that's kind of where I think we should be on that. But yeah, you're exactly right. Step and cola different. So, but I but what in the budget is right now is we're saying you're just getting step, but you're not getting cola. But every other person in the city is getting cola. Only cola. No, which is one reason why we like compensation. The police department already had STEP. They were already

approved. So they they have done a compensation study and have like actual step program in place. Everyone else at the city is not at all on the on the general range that we pay people but like they don't get merit increases for performance or time here or meeting additional you know certifications and things. We don't have that in place at all. But what we're saying to the police department is because you already had this step thing approved. You're not getting a cost of living improved.

We could put it in there. It would cost more, which I think is something to consider. But then also, I would still continue to argue we need a compensation study citywide. So that way we're not saying, well, please get merit increases for being here, but you guys don't, right? you know, which and we kind of touched on that at our training at our not retreat, sorry, at our um workshop. Workshop. Thank you. Um but you know, our turnover is pretty high. We have had two employees that have been here, right? Yeah. Like in the city, you know, and I think

you know and you guys are like, well, what do we do for people that have been here? And it's like nothing. you know, we're barely maybe doing the cost of living, you know, but it's also hard for us to come up here and argue wage increases without having the backup. So that's why we're arguing for a compensation study. So we have something to present to you other than well, I really want Heidi to make this much money, you know, because that's not valuable. That's, you know, you guys know when did we do merit increases last year? That's what they called it and cola or did we just do one?

It was just a Yeah, it was just but it was across the board. They called it a merit but in terms of what you would consider a merit increase I would not it wasn't at all tied to like an evaluation. It was just kind of across the board. I think it was called merit to get around what Chief Sager has addressed at this point. So from my perspective it it's not a true merit increase. It was a cola. It was just called something different. The step though we are are merit based right they get to move up to those steps if based on merit

the policy yes um and we addressed that made the policy stronger this year on Michael's request he wanted to tie the evaluation so all our employees get evaluations annually and they're forwarded to HR and if they're below standard I mean that needs to be considered in the steps and it's written in policy now it was there before but it's clear now that if you do not meet these standards, you may not get your increase. So, that was before they're just getting their increase.

It's It was in there, but it wasn't as strong. So, we we did that to make sure. And that's that's fair. We need to do that because if we have an underperformer, they're either going to shape up for their they're not going to work here. Let's That's good

for the class C. Sorry. Let's see in streets capital to go to salaries. Yeah, I do. So I can't go to salary directly. Right. And so I do want to get back to you. I want to talk to our CPA consultant on his advice for budgeting for that because I understand what you're saying, but we can't have it like directly covered. So it does get tricky with budget because I also don't want to underbudget for an employee that we have on staff that's not that's not transparent either, right? And so I hear what you're saying. I just can't think of a great way. So I want to do some research and get back to circle back on that. But can we also see what we have paid in the past out of the classy road funds to reimburse.

I don't think we ever have done that. Oh, we haven't paid contractors. So yeah, we've used some classy road money previously. So we're already starting a new office. So it's hard to know how there's nothing process of how we do that. But but there is something we're rewriting. We'll look into that right now. Yeah. Anything more than this is better than that. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. So, I definitely think it's worth pursuing and looking into. So, I will I just want to get some more information. I think from a too much direction

from a citizen and a council members perspective if we're going to outlay I mean $3 million essentially for all that equipment um and we're going to start doing this ourselves. There's got to be some sort of budget benefit for us to do that and and it's obvious. We're not paying a contractor to do it. We're doing it off of our wages and ourselves. So, there should be some sort of some sort of offset.

Yeah. And we have the tracking software now with the eye works to to track that is what I'm saying project. So, it is doable. But how do we reflect on the budget whether you take half the salaries and eliminate them out of the budget or not? We'll we'll ask the accountant, the third party account that we have to see how they want us to track that so so we can get the exact number, right?

Yeah. Just because like we don't Yeah. I mean, and the benefit, you know, without considering, okay, yeah, we're paying more in salaries now, but are we getting more projects completed, you know, like are we able to do more roads projects with our funding than we would be able to do if we were paying a contractor for that because we have the staffing and equipment for it, you know, which I I recognize is not reflected in a budgetary number, but it is a benefit that I think is notable, like is worth Was there another spot besides that one?

Well, and we can revisit also the um a lotments to go to the So, we added the 45 grand for the Jaws of Life. That's that's reflected in what we have right now. Just go to the fire department budget. So, and where did we add that? Into this equipment line. Okay. So, we

So, take that 45 grand out and just put it off into column J. So, just just yeah, just take that off. Put it in column column J and and then go up to the top and see how that moves the number the 1.2 million. of our desk. So, so it did decrease. Yeah. Which it should.

So, if we put that back in and we had monies come, but I'm just throwing this out there. I I think um and some of us, you know, had an opportunity to go to the fire department, look at some of their equipment and um yeah, I just I think we should allocate some of the monies that we're getting from this this this water credit check to the fire department. So, and and I think we should um allocate some specific monies for a new ladder truck um at least in the budget this year. So, we're moving towards that that end. So, that's just a thought I have. also getting the jaws of life that they're asking for and potentially subsidizing, you know, some of those um what you call them turnouts. and

because I think um we have a newfound relationship with the fire department

and I think that's healthy and I think they've been um maybe brushed aside for for for a few years and I think you know our focus needs to be um not necessarily all on them but I think we need to I think we need to allocate some budget dollars to the fire department and if it just means means one time um onetime amount for this year. I'm just going to throw out a number. I just have written here $500,000 into their fund out of that out of that amount. So where up above in the revenue line would we take the monies from that and stick up there?

I think you'd take that out of the water capital projects credit. credit and so that would go to the tax increase because you just reduce it from the $18 million. Okay. But are you proposing 500 for the fire department for them? Well, Jaws of Life, the two Jaws of Life are 90 grand, right? Um the turnouts were how much was that? 20 grand. I think those were already in there. We have they were but but to help but to help actually find you they need to replace the sets here we're looking at 10 next year and then there's five each 5,000 so you need 50,000

how much would it how much would it cost us okay to get a ladder truck and yes but how much time four years four years before we could get it before we see it before we'd see it. But how much would we have to pay initially to get them to start building? Oh, you got to pay it all up front. Lovely. In four years, it's probably going to cost a lot more tomorrow. It's about four years now. That's crazy. Four weeks.

Is there something somewhere that would service us? Not from Wendover's airport. We we have found ladder trucks for sale for 500,000 to 1.5 million. Well, a city has one for sale right now, but it does not read meet our ISO rating. It's not tall enough for the buildings on the land. But

here's the here's the issue I see. If we don't have the ability to be able to service the buildings that we have with inside of our city limits, is that a legal issue that may come up down the road? Is that a potential liability that Grantsville City may may have potentially? I mean, we have the ability to call on those other services and they'll come to our aid if they're not busy. if they're not busy. It presents a risk, but with our inner agreement, it kind of covers that a little bit, but it definitely would solve the problem if we had our own worked.

It's just just a thought. So and we could allocate out of the water credit money for that one time capital purchase of the new ladder truck. Then put it in there. But again, like we did with the the road funding, shop around and make sure we find the best deal available with the the lifespan on something like that. Well, and we have these one-time purchases, something for the hundred years. You've got that line item and it's 15 grand. Um, which is a lot. What? Which is a lot.

It is. It is. But you we can offset that um by some of those monies that we could put from the water credit into correct in to help pay for some of these line items on the fire department that are kind of one-time things. Yep.

Yeah, that would make sense. And so basically what would happen is I would bring it in in our revenue line as one of these um we have a transfer section yeah contributions and transfers. So I would just show a transfer from the water fund for however much you guys decide on and then it would come in here and be reflected in the overall general revenue and then the expenses would come out in the apartment in the departments that were making up the usage of that funds.

So not going to get a lot of good good looks what I'm about to say. Um, so this is my idea coming into it. So we got since the last time we seen the bud budget last week to now with your guys' changes, it's about a 10.72% reduction from 2026. Would you say that's probably right? If my if I have to use my hands and toes over that, I struggle. So that was my calculations. Um, I was thinking that we've, my notes from looking at it was get closer to 15% overall reduction. Um, and I did have it list out by department, but now that we're talking, I think it's just overall we're closer to that 15%. Um, I think that for the fiscal year 2027 that there shouldn't be any payraises for salaried employees. um a city citywide hiring freeze for non-essential positions. And I do have here, Bill brought it up, but I do have on here city council compensation reduced uh or zero dollars for fiscal year 2027 until we're out of our deficit. And then the Shaun Johnson money, the water credits, I think we should put three million into our general fund and use that as our discretion for what we need and then invest the remaining 15 million and that should bring in about six 600,000 annually with the 4% return. Um those were my notes for what I was thinking. Um I have numbers for what that would bring in but that would bring that deficit the one where is it 1.18

that would bring it I think with at 15% we would need to be about at 139 for the budget for the expenditures just over 139. So knock off another half a million is what you're saying. It's Yeah. Where would you propose that would come? Eliminate services because that would be the next step. Well, a lot of it would be the cost of living for the directors or any salary employees wouldn't receive a a pay increase this year. Um so yeah, roughly rough numbers on that. The salary increase is costing us about 250,000

per everybody. 3% the cola is 250 roughly. That's not an exact but you know it's between 225 and 250 but you're saying just for directors salary salary they could get their their increase but salary no increases so that' be less than 250. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to put that so you had an idea of what that 3% was costing us. And then that still doesn't make up your other percentage though that other half a million. Oh, I know we're never we're not going to cover the whole deficit.

That's what I'm saying. Where would you want to pull that other portion from that? If you were to looking at the budget going line by line, where would you recommend we look at cutting those other portions? Or do you feel like the cut we've made right now is sufficient, but just reduce the the COLA for the salary employees? I I like I said, I'd like to be I said 15% that was my number looking through it all. And at first I had it by department. I had originally put 10% uh decrease from each department except for fire and and police. That would be a 5% decrease from 2026. So you mean just across the board take them down?

The whole Yeah. Our whole expenditure is try to reduce it by 15%. We're already at almost 11%. We just got to just a little bit more. So it needs four more percent. Yeah. which they help did the they did the heavy lifting earlier today. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like we, you know, and obviously we can change for your recommendations, but I do feel like I'm really proud of our staff so far to get us to this point and absolutely being willing to make the sacrifice and cuts like within, you know, kind of self-governing themselves as far as what needed to be done. So, I'm really proud of the staff that

with Derek's point though, there's value in that money. Is there any revenue that you have projected coming in with that money just sitting and we we talked about this just in a some sort of interest bearing account? As of right now, no, you don't have that reflected in revenue at all, but there is value there.

There could be because right now I have it all into the capital projects fund. Um, so it like the PTI for that would get some, but again, it's all restricted within the capital projects fund. If you guys want me to put it in the general fund instead and then invest it, we can explore avenues such as that. But it was my understanding that it was going to capital projects. So that's where it is. But if we need to move it, we can definitely move it and explore options for investment. I know Michael and I had met with someone a couple weeks ago. Um and yeah, they had projected if we invested the full 18 million getting like 700,000 which is like a high interest high interest savings 4% or 3% 3.4

3.4 that's one way we get reb 3 million into the general fund to use at our discretion then the 15 and remaining that goes into an investment account. We're making 600,000 a year off of the interest. But then it's tied up in that until until the next budget. Till the next 15 million. You can take the s the interest out, right? Yeah. Absolutely. We'll take the interest out, but then it's just obviously how long do you want to commit that to be in there? Yeah. And then just with that, we would have then do we want to spend all 18 million in one year? We don't want to spend it all at once. No doubt. Right.

Yeah. And so it just depends on how much you want to put in there and then how long term we'll put it in stages of how often you can draw on that which will come is how they they pose to do that. So you some like a six months others at a year others possibly like a two-year draw. And so that's the question is how committed do you want us to have that investment or liquidated do you want us to have that? Well we need to have options. Oh, absolutely. We can get that for you on I think we'd want to have some of the money's liquid. Um I wouldn't say immediately, but within some sort of not some sort of notification. No, I I think you I think we'd want to be able to have some sort of liquid asset that we can tap into at some point in time.

I do. But the lion share of that can sit in some sort of account that that works for us, that works for Grantsville City. So that's the quandry. I mean, do we do how much of that? I mean, I I I like where you're going with that. I've thought about it as well. I mean, do we take some of those monies and do we do we buy down the do we buy down the the debt that we have for the um sewer treatment plant? Do we do we take a third of that and and and decrease that amount? I we've approved the

the the increase But we always said that if we could do that, does that does that lessen that amount that citizens have to pay in a given month and does that lessen the blow for any sort of tax increase that we have here? I mean, it's it's it's all part of the equation, right? Yes.

So, we can do that. I mean, the world is our oyster. We can we we we got options, which is a great thing to to be able to have. But but it goes back to what I was saying a little bit earlier and just I mean not that we need to focus on just just what I said but for the equipment the onetime equip equipment purchase for the fire department I mean that's $90,000 um we could just buy one this year and just say $45,000 but if we put it in here and we don't offset it up above then it comes right out of that that tax increase right and it it so if we can save that 45 grand

and not make it a part of that and designate and earmark those monies for that particular $45,000. And if we do that somewhere in the budget 10 times, there's, you know, there's $450,000. That's kind of what we're here to do. Yeah.

To a certain extent. But you know what do we do with those those funds and how do we proceed? My notes are similar to what I thought we need to discuss somewhat along the lines I think that Derek was thinking about. I've come from the private sector and I've been through brutal um budget and meetings and so I've watched a company come and cut everyone's pay 10% across the board. The next year they came and um just they thought that wasn't good for morale and so they just said okay we've got to lay off x number of people to meet budget. The next year they froze our 401k match. Um I mean these are these are tough budget years but that was what they did to to make budget. So it's fascinating to me to like I somewhat want to play with we started the night and maybe Aspen your first spreadsheet calculation where we're now at 60%. And maybe we need to come sit with you individually to do this. I get this, but it's fascinating to me that the legislature had a bill that was at 5%. And we're still at 60.

And we're not the only ones, right? Was 200, right? Well, yeah. There's like five or six cities and none of them have anything that's under 10. Under 10. cities that were both of 200 or above this year throughout Utah. We're not there. No, thank you. Yeah. So, we're we're just guess we could be there if you guys got everything you wanted, right? Yeah. We can we can ask be careful, right? Yeah.

So, it'd be fun for me, not fun to see like at a 10% increase what that type of money is and and where we're offered just to play with that percentage and just see if that gets us any any closer. Um, very hard, another note I have, very hard for me to spend money we don't have yet. Yes, we don't have it yet. Will we get that before we finalize this the end of this month? fully. Yeah. So, we are supposed to get that the end of this month and we have to adopt a final budget by like the second meeting. Yeah. So, I don't think we can really have a discussion on that at all until it's a reality in my opinion. I mean, it does it does where I'm at mentally.

It does. We don't have it. Yeah. But I the Jeff, just to your point, a 10% property tax increase would generate an additional 28,000 in revenue. Um, and it makes a household $3.32. I could probably sit and play with your spreadsheet. You know, it's a cheeseburger month. I'm happy to share my one projection one with you. It's value many,

but I mean that kind of that kind of exercise, I don't know what you want to call it, would be helpful to me. We don't do $30,000 studies and I'm just not too much in favor of doing that when you kind of did that yourself tonight a little bit, but I can be done. Um, a little bit of just an analysis of I know it's time on your part, but I think I'm not the biggest fan. I don't necessarily think I see the value in in the fee study. So, I'm just talking my notes, but um we're working. Yeah, I

trying. I I agree with Councilman Williams on the on the study. Um I I think sometimes the market indicates the market is a key indicator of, you know, somebody takes on a position. Obviously, they take on a position because that offer is is in the arena of where they want to be. Um,

two two more thoughts or and I'll shut up for the night. Um, two more notes I had is we have 2.5 in the general mill fund. So, we're trying to get out of that fund, but we could use 500,000 to this budget year and set it aside of what we have currently. Another helpful exercise I think would be is I'm not saying freeze everybody. My thought was play around with a 1.5 color, whatever, just to see if that gets us any closer to where we need to be. Sorry, that's my notes. I'm done. I'm done.

Um, I think I I want to start by thanking the staff for putting the time and effort into going through this. I know talking numbers all day, your eyes start to to go crossed. Um, and I I appreciate our department heads and all those who've put in the time and effort to try to figure out how to, you know, we talk about things like this. It's it's a it's a hard it's a hard subject because there's wants and then there's there's also just what we've got, what we need to have as a city to be able to to function and function properly. for a city that's grown since 1997 to see that we've had a negative 22% um increase over that time frame is is is a little is I I guess you could say that's great that they were able we they've been able we've been able to do that. The the hard part with that is is we've grown and we've haven't improved our roads and we haven't, you know, and and all of those things take dollars. And I I get just like everyone else, I understand what that what that means. Like I I when we're talking an increase, no one wants to talk about an increase, but the fact that we haven't had one hasn't helped us. And so um I my thoughts on cola is I I feel that I feel that I mean we should have a you know inflation increase year to year would have would have probably captured some of the issues that we're dealing. We haven't adjusted for any of that. So I am a firm believer though we need to live within what our budgets are and I appreciate

those that strive to do that and you have but you have certain situations where you know I think we've we've run pretty lean from what I see. Um and I appreciate that because it's it's everyone's dollars that we spend when we spend them. So anyway that's my thoughts. Anyone else have any notes or comments that they want to address tonight? Or what direction do we want to give the staff at this point?

And I already said mine, please, but I just I don't think I think we should keep the cost of living increase. I I think that um I mean, we've already said everybody's running lean. I just don't think it we need good employees. The cost of losing employees, training them, attrition, that adds up. So, if we're going to I I'd agree with the compensation study, though. I don't think we really need a study to say I think every department head could probably go out and see what a similar city is doing. I just I think it's going to hurt more to say hey this is what you should be making and how are we going to how are we going to make up for that if they're not making what they feel like they should be making. I feel like it that we're talking about a 3% cost of increase which is $250,000. That's it didn't really help us much in our budget but it's going to hopefully keep our employees again that it's so small a cost of living. That's just my thought. I also think I'm a threat that we need to help public safety. I mean, the budget for a ladder truck. I think we should get another officer. That's just my opinion. My thoughts and and maybe how do we get more volunteers for the fire department? Is there is that something we need to is that a better statement? I I don't know what that looks like.

They've never had a statement until until this year. Yeah. Yes. I think we've done a positive thing there for the fire department. I I think it's a good small step, but I think we could do more. I mean, and I, you know, I don't know what that looks like. It is hard for us because we do have this $18 million, but it is a onetime thing. So, we can't say, you know, so we have this money, but we have to be careful with it.

So, that's the question I'd like to ask the staff. What one-time things are in there that can be encapsulated in a infusion of half a,750,000 from that um into the the revenue line of the budget or even into the the interest income right there. Guess that would be that line things like the 100redy year anniversary is a one time thing. Yeah, it's a one time thing. So that's what I'm saying. I mean, go back and look at those items and say, "Okay, well, these are the these are the onetime things in my budget that I I would say in the past, we've come with a list of things we asked for. Another mower, another, you know, piece of equipment."

This doesn't include it. I I know a This doesn't include any extra vehicles, any yachts. And I think those are the onetime things you would normally chop out

on something like this that you would pay for that extra onetime cost. And we've already cut all of those out because that would put the budget at over $4 million what it is. And so any vehicle that needs to be replaced is going to be pushed off till next year, the next budget type thing. But if you guys wanted us to start considering those things for use of the water credit, like we have plenty of options from departments that we could prepare and send to you for to see if that would be something that you would want to spend

like the legal line, you could chop that out and put it as a onetime cost of whatever it is during that time period that litigation's going on. So you would see it in the the tax increase, but you'd still pay for it out of the water credit funds. That would be like the what we would kind of kind of do in in that regard. So maybe we can go through and see where we could move stuff. It's still an ongoing cost though on that one problem like some that are not quite onetime fund but are kind of ongoing cost but are variable

but all the main onetime costs have been chopped out. But at the same time, I mean, I I see what you're saying, but we just approved a lot of new equipment for Granville City. Sometimes it's so hard we focus on what we don't have. I mean, this morning I passed pretty some pretty nice. They're not nice. It's like Grantsville dump trucks. I was like, I'm glad we have those and we're making it. We're trying to save money. So I mean and that's the difference between the enterprise funds and then the capital fund is the difference there with those funds

for getting for getting new equipment. What I'm saying a new silver getting better. I'd say one of those trucks you passed is a nice truck.

One pretty old has a new bed. The truck is pretty old then but I get ready to say it. And I do think, you know, lowering an increase or doing a higher increase or not doing a cola or, you know, kind of those things. I think it is important to just looking into the future how long you're wanting something like that to continue just because we're going to be facing a similar issue again next year in the year. like it'll be a continuous thing that we need to address. And so we can definitely freeze it this year. I could get you a number for no cola or a no cola for salaries or whatever you guys are wanting for this year um to see where we're at. But I do just want of course to bring up that it will be something that we do need to consider for next year. And we can take out the compensation study too um at the 30,000. And then should they want wage differences for staff, I think it's come to the assumption that you guys would then trust the department head to present on that without a compensation study as backup, which is fine. I think that that's something

the other thing I wrote down too and we live in a the benefit system's broken but I think you've already addressed it but for the sake of this being a public meeting I think we live in a system where you have to shop every year to get the best deal on benefits. I think you've said you've done that, correct? You're going to do that. We're going to So, we got a 3% increase, which I think is a really great increase for our benefits, but next year we're going to start a lot earlier and we're going to look at other options, right? It's just the world. It's Obamacare. It's marketplace. It's going I mean, they force us

when you're out there getting your own policy to change every year. So that could save us a lot of money. The the problem that we have is if you look at other other insurance companies like IHC or Blue Cross Blue Shield, the rates are a lot higher than what we already have right now. So we did look at those things. We're actually going to look at some other options though. I think they did quote us one um and it was 15% higher than if we were to do it with the PHP. I just I I just want to make sure that's happening analysis every year because that's the environment we're in. Yes.

What we were saying is I think the confusion there was we were going to shop different brokers. Now we have an insurance broker. We're going to try a different broker. Trek is different options. But with that current broker, we did shop the current ones with that one and they the one we have with that increase is pretty good because a lot of the other cities are at a 9 to 10% when I was at the conference talking to them about that. Yeah.

The other thing I want to talk about too is we have directors that average 60 hours a week right now. So, I want to I want you guys to know that we run thin and it's not sustainable for somebody to work 60 hours a week. It's just it's not sustainable. And and we pretty much said no to every department for a new employee except the part-time parks that we have budgeted in. We've pretty much said no to every department. And then if we go on top of that say not only do you not get somebody new, we're now you're not you don't get a cost of living increase. I just I think that's I don't think that's good.

Yeah. Our directors work a lot of hours. Directors are salary though, correct? Yeah. So, they they're making about $13 an hour.

Well, not that's a that's that's a pretty that's a pretty broad statement. So I would I mean I mean it's going to suck for a few years like Tula County when they were going through that like they were lean and cutting things and and they didn't think there was going to be an end in sight. We didn't and there was some rough goes. I mean roads weren't getting paved different things but you got to we got to live within our means and I know we are lean but it's going to be tough and we've got to figure out what we need to do. That's why I think the 15% is the goal that we should set of reduction from 2026.

Okay. So, let's say like the like rodeo like I'm just looking through here. Like the rodeo I I get it. It's great. It's got a lot of support, but if you're in a if you're running a deficit like some of those things, if I'm running a deficit at home, guess what? Like my kids not getting that toy at the store when you go to Walmart. They're not getting, you know, certain things you got to just tighten the reins back and and put your your needs over your wants. And there are some wants I think in every area that we could probably scale back just a tiny bit on. So you to meet that 15%. But but it paid for itself plus $10,000 on the budget.

On the budget, it's it's a net positive for 10,000 for the road deal. Yeah, that's what we have in here. I know. But if I'm just saying if it paid for itself paid for itself. So if we if we take it completely Yeah. Then we lose $10,000. That that that's the math behind it. I mean, didn't we have a donation for 20,000? I mean, really, I donations for about that amount. So I the donations were for over 43,000. Yeah, we have nearly 50,000 in donations for this year for the rodeo. But right now, red is correct. We do have it in as a net positive right now. So if I take that as an expense, I'm taking it out as a revenue as well, which would reduce revenues by00. It's not an expense,

right? Right now, it's considered, you know, and the, you know, ultimately it'll probably make more than that. Yeah. We don't even have the ticket sales. Yeah. Accounted.

Ultimately, it'll probably bring in more revenue than I have projected right now at 35,000. Now there are unexpected costs to that that whereas wreck are focused on something other than maybe other things that they should be focused on. So there there's there is some unintended costs that may be wrapped up to that. But budget line it's it's a net positive. yourself and then again maybe like what they've done in the past to use your one time fund which again is not great to float the city while you do the slight increases every year that you can do. Could we go in and take the compensation study out? That's what I was going to say.

Put it in line J just so we can see it. Just just take put that to 17 right there. I know. I mean, going back to what I asked a little bit earlier with the streets and the class C and the the salaries and offsetting it with capital outlays. Um, is that going to I mean, if we can do that, is that going to help at all? Can it can it help a 100 grand? I kind of thought it could, but

I think it can. And one thing that I also as we've been talking and I don't even I'm starting to wonder. I need to double check on the class C for what's going to approve for this year carrying over into next year because I want to make sure that this is not attributing to like an increase, right? Yeah.

To the capacity just because it's not it doesn't come from the general fund anyway. It was the class C road funds PT amount that you guys had approved for them to use for their roads. So I don't think that I've done it but as we've been talking and you're talking class C. I'll definitely check on that to just it's definitely worth triple checking on. Um, you know, I budget brain is real, but that is something that I will double check on to see just to make sure that that is budgeted accordingly, but not considered to be like an additional 2 million that we're trying to fund with taxes, right? Yeah. Um to be not to get everyone sold because I don't think budget shares the

solve that problem. We've been here for four hours now. I just wanted to stress you all out for fun. Um, no, but that is something that I'll just double check and I will check in with the salaries um with the streets um and then like you know if we you know chief saber your tasers you know are they in this line? Yep. Yeah. Is that the parts? Yeah. 65. So could we consider that to be a one time? Yeah. Or you can do the payment thing.

But maybe that's where we could reduce them is by taking using the payment. Just purchase them outright if it's a one time thing and you see new tasers like the turnout. So we just say okay we get those with the one time or you can finance them. We could we could do one or the other. The financing is they you do all the maintenance as well. So you have a little bit a fiveyear like free maintenance. So financing might be better. They have a 10 year where they replace the tasers in five years. So there's options but yes that is that is a one and your turnout one year. Yeah. Your turnouts will be every year because we get new people we get new people. So turnouts will always be that's not

so let's address that lineup though for police department 65 grand. How can we trim that up? That that is everything for the police department the whole year. Ammo everything. Okay. I don't know. But the tasers are in there. Additional. I was just going to Yep. No, they're not. I was going to try propose get an estimate for the payment plan and then just try to equipment. I try to just get with grants. Okay. But I can't usually buy weapons with grants. They don't. There's usually stipulations. Yeah. So, so that's not in there at all. No. Okay.

What's the other Sorry, there was one other thing just popped out. We probably talked about this other professional services. What was that again? Dispatch fees 158. Mhm. And then the and then the like software like the front line. Okay. We just approved the dispatch fees that and we move that that line item from up to there. Okay. Yes. So, the tasers aren't include. We did not put the tasers in. What was the cost of the taser system? Probably went up. Yeah, while we've been sitting here, well, that was back I Yeah, I think Yeah,

I think that approach to removing the one item and when that payment comes in, we address a few of those items individually in that one time situation. Christie, are we giving you a fence? Do you think that could that we could reduce by the parks and rec portion and so I thought it was under streets was

yeah but the third that came out of streets building just really without payment wasn't there we're spending money we don't which is bad. Maybe it was underwater. I wonder if we just Yeah. Which one? Okay, never mind on that.

So, Derek, back to what you you were suggesting, what percentage what percentage in your mind increase. So 40% is it? Oh, and the property the overall the overall you said 15 reduction to the bud to the to the phys to the 27 fiscal budget. Mhm. 15% less than 20. I'm maybe I misunderstood what you think. So what you're saying is what is the increase then in property tax if you get that 15%. Is there anything? Is that what you're saying, Jake? Yeah. Well, that was one of the thing. If we got to the 15%, then where would we be at percentage-wise for Okay.

Like if you wanted to cover everything, where would where would it come down to? If we were at 15%. Yeah, that's us. Gotcha. So, if we reduced this down so that we got your 15%. Yeah. I guess do we have a number associated with the 15%. I think it was 13,910,845.

Oh, that's just a difference. Sorry, I'm really tired of fresh. So, $700,000 increase and that would be And then you said you wanted to invest uh 15,000 for the like 600,000 is what you're saying, right? Yeah. You get that 4%. So, you probably be more at like five

five to 600,000 somewhere in there maybe or four to five to six. Were you saying the investment then covers that shortfall? Close to what? Yeah, that's what my math was. But like I said, I once I have to use be on my fingers and toes like little What percentage? So far, you've done pretty good. That was 32 more than I can. And then you said tax increase, which it to $1064. Maybe that's we take that 500,000 out of the Yeah, that 2.4 and run a deficit of the that right now and that

to figure out what we want to do next year. Yeah. So in my mind I guess what are we anticipating years? I was going to say we're not factoring in the CIP like our our matching dollars and any of the projects we have coming down the pike and so we do need to assess all of those how much we would need to increase in regards to that.

So that was my thinking with the 3 million that we put into the general fund that we can use at our discretion for any of those grant matches, one-time things, anything like that. 15% I thought it was 600,000. I was like that would cover that. So then I was going to say um that would cover this what was it close to $600,000 deficit the 6005 to600,000 that we'd get from the three the 15 million that would kind of cover that and then I was going to say we increase the property tax 5% and it's an automatic five 5% increase for the next 10 years. But that ties up your Walmart credit forever or at least that 10 years the 15 million. But I guess one thing if we're not

well can't you go back every budget and say well we'll take one million out of it and feel investment the investments based on then it's like does the increase of that 5% every year cover what you're taking out of that?

Yeah. I think that well in my mind obviously so since we're kind of going the direction of talking about the water credits specifically in my mind those and I hope in the end of it all I'm on the right side of history on that um the it's the citizens it needs to go back to the citizens and I'd like to see it go back to the citizens in the form of water so um or some form of water. So where we ensure that we're protecting future the future growth of Gransville from a water standpoint. So whatever whatever it is, I know we all have ideas in our mind what we want that to be whether it's parks or roads or extra police officers or extra fire trucks. Um, and and maybe it's a combination of all of those, but we have to figure out a way to maximize those dollars. Like, if we're putting in something that's g us a minimal return, I don't know if that's the answer either. Like, it's a significant amount of money and it's more than the city has had in probably the bank account for a long time. Um, you know, and we'll get our the second group of that. But I think we need to be strategic on what we do with this specifically and how the second group, you know, if if it was part of the agreement comes in. So anyway, I I just since we're on that topic, I I that's my my thought and feel on it.

Just to throw another thought out there on those funds that just came into my mind. Um, let's just say you're putting 15 million away and you don't do a road. Let's just use that as an example. So, you don't build a road and you put the money into those funds and you get the interest, but you still have to build the road, let's say, in two years, but the price to build the road was up higher now than all the interest that you gained. And so, really, you lost money by not doing the project. Now, I'm just a thought. I don't I don't know. Just throwing that thought out there. Yeah. I mean, there's that'd be like purchasing the fire truck. Yep.

The one time I purchase now as opposed to later.

And I think it boils down to what we what immediate needs we have and what we feel it's immediate priority. And in some situations, it's it's a tasers. If we need to have tasers, if our guys need to be equipped with what they need to be equipped with, then we have to really look at that. If it's a fire truck and preparation for a firet truck, then that's what it is. And we separate that and then we figure out how to best utilize what's what's remaining and make and maximize it. I I like the idea of, you know, looking at grants specifically that duplicate our dollars. Um, if we can have take a million dollars and turn it into two, then that's a great investment in my opinion. you know, that is doubling your money. Like, that would be something that makes complete sense. But if it's something where we we put it into, you know, we bury it in the dirt and hope it's going to all be there when we dig it all back out, I don't know if that's the best thing for the city, but I really like where we're going with this. I I think to I from a percentage standpoint if that's a combination of trying trying to using those dollars that we that we're going to get to to benefit the residents for a situation that we're in because we haven't raised taxes since 97 or whatever. I think that's

that's just how far the records go back. Yeah. Yeah. The last increase was 2010. So 16 years and then we had two decreases.

But we don't we don't avoid an increase. There's no way we avoid an increase. So and and and it's not, you know, I think we've we've spent how many hours going through and you guys have spent how many hours going through it? And all of us probably spent all weekend trying to figure out other options and and avenues. Um, I think I think that there's there's an increase there that that has to be there obviously to help balance, but I think there are ways we can we can we can do both. We can try to find the areas in which we can save and then we can figure out how to use, you know, potential funds to help minimize the impact to the residents. I think that's it's a double win. So I guess um we'll go and find out kind of our percentage we can um invest this money either I guess what amount is I guess what we'd want to know either the full amount 15 depends on the percentage

correct of course but also it depends on how long you want it to be reoccurring is It affects the percent is what they're telling us. Who's our general account with? I mean, what do who do we bank with? I guess I should know that. Key bank. Key bank. Yeah, this probably be invested with PTIP though, right? So, PTIP isn't an option. Um, just because we we are a municipality, we are somewhat restricted in our investments, right? It's not like on the regular stock market to be it's too risky. You can't invest in a sweeps account that that sweeps our money into the Grand Cayman's every every day and we we get back in.

We did look we did meet with an investment group, an investment bank that's not it's not key um a couple of weeks ago um and they did have a percentage I think it was like 3.4 but that's not a far cry from where our PIS are sitting right now anyway. Um, and so, and one thing that I do want to just verify is depending on where we put that$ 18 million, how it affects our fund balance with that 35% cap because putting the 18 million into fund balance would put us over for our general fund balance would put us over that. So, that is something to consider. But, if it's invested,

I don't I I just need to clarify how that ends up tying up in relation to what's considered in our fund balance procedure. So projects that take the interest. Yeah, it could maybe end up need to be some sort of hybrid, but I could see what our max we could do there would be and then kind of go from there.

I just want to randomly ask any of our staff that's here, do you have any ideas that we're not thinking about? Do you have some outside the outside the box ideas that you are thinking in your mind and you don't think you should share, but I'm asking you to? Well, I'm thinking like what can we automate to make things more efficient? I don't know if that would save us any money, but

like what like payments. I don't know. Online, signing up for services online instead of having to come in.

It's going to cost money to Yeah. get get to get there. Yeah. That would be more of an investment in the future for sure. They could reduce all our hours here. go to maybe a 410 or something like that could reduce staff hours. Yeah, I asked about that too. Like would it save us on, you know, like utility fees and would it would it make it worth it, right? Have buildings closed Fridays. Yeah. He's not going to be able to close on Fridays 247.

So that's probably your busiest day. Friday after 5. It's the silver treatment plant busiest day Sunday morning, right? Any other ideas someone wants to throw out? So you're talking about investing. I just wondered if um you looked at a CD or if that's what that's kind of what they're saying is like they they phase the CD or the the money in at different time frames to maximize that interest. Okay. So it's a CD. Yeah. Basically, yeah, but they have to do it according all the rules for municipalities,

right? I just um in our my previous municipality we invested a CD and it yielded a pretty high percentage rate and then we also did it for the UMC board as well. So I know it can be done and it's usually higher interest rate.

Any other ideas start selling Grantville merch? Cost money. Cost money. Increase the budget. Offset it. But it would be cute. All of our supporters would um influencers. Do we have property we could sell? Do we have um any property we could lease? Um, yeah, at least the baseball hits. That's right. There we go.

Wait to talk about We still have to talk about that. Yeah, dude. Okay. Are we Do we feel Is there anything else that anybody would I mean, this is just a discussion obviously. Are we finished hashing that this out? We can all sleep on this tonight. Well, back to to Derek's the numbers that we put in there. That that half a million dollars. Where is that coming from? Is that coming from the interest? Is that is that is that where we're at with that? It was unclear. I think he would want us to cut it from the budget itself. Yeah. Get up to 15% reduction from 26 2026. Sorry.

Not 2026, from the proposed 2027 budget that they gave us the other day. Right. No, that's from 2026 budget. Okay. And there we're I mean we're almost there. We're at Okay. almost 11% from what they did before the meeting tonight. Yeah. So, we're taking it from that 16,365 down to finding another 13,900,000. I guess the only other option you want to really reduce it down is to find uh employees that are fulltime and make them part-time, then you cut off the benefits. That's the next big to go to. But like every department said they're running thin. So, correct. I mean, maybe not.

Then you reduce services like hours in at city hall. Do we need to be here from 8 to 6 every day, 5 days a week? If we don't, then what hour do we want to have open? And then we reduce that time in that area. Do you want your library open the hours that it's reduce that time there? I guess it's just again what kind of service do you want to have? How many don't necessarily want to go to works and reduce staff there because we already we're in a good place right now.

But we have done that. We as we are looking at new positions, right? Instead of it being a full-time position, we do two part-time positions. So that will that cuts their benefits. We've done that with your parks. But I think I guess finding an interest rate carry over the years because again at some point the real goal is the hard part of our residents is that we never really increased it significantly and they're bearing the entire brunt of this because we don't have the businesses in here to help offset that going forward. So I'm hoping with the event of like the nuclear campus if that does get selected here in Utah coming forward that might spur more of that again like business parks picking up. We don't get a lot of that right now because of the RDA that was agreed on before, but there is a percentage of that that is there.

We don't get it. We property taxes, but we will get the passive for sales tax. Granted, a lot of them are not really like point to sell, right? Correct. So and then next year soul birds will be opening up or later this year

and so there are some shifts that will be coming and again if we can really target getting more businesses and spending that's what I'm saying I would suggest that we look at that that fund of that water credit is going to water but going towards attracting making this a really business friendly so we can get those here is really what would offset the burden on the residents for grants. And how and what kind of programs or incentives do we want to do that? I know that it's not great, but if we get more businesses here, that's going to offset the tax dollar that the residents have to pay. I guess keep that in mind. How what you want to spend that on? How you want to develop like a town center for trans? Like what does that look like? If we do have exponential growth, what kind of city hall? Because that we're going to need more space because right now there's not a lot of PE or office space in public works right now. That's going to be a factor that we need to address. Is we just buy more portables or get portables to put there or do we create a town center space that would generate money based on that revenue of being in proximity to a local town center and get businesses around that? I guess that's what help you to decide and factor in as part of this conversation how to spend that water uh credit money is where I would suggest that we look at as well some big picture planning sustainability you know running lean hiring freezes increase freezes. What does that look like long term? You know, how long do we do that kind of things? How long do we not give departments asks for equipment

they need? Because as we grow, the need for services is only going to go up. We could have people work remote. That would cut down on some supply costs. I mean, would it cut down on enough? Probably not. But people did it during co but not all all positions. Not all positions. I mean she definitely could be park.

So back to focusing on the actual budget here and what we have this number 1 million 158,332 that's our budget deficit as it stands right now. So, and this this number includes the 5% cola. We we have that built into sorry 5% sorry 3% cola. That's that's built into there. So, we we one of two ways. I mean, you said $250,000, right?

Um for that that cola increase. You you suggested we freeze all salaried employees. So, I mean, if we if we increase the revenue um if we increase the revenue line by $500,000, that get that gets us to our number, right? Do you agree that that gets you? It it doesn't get you the the $3,900,000 that you were asking for, but that interest does um does decrease that that amount to what you're after without doing the COLA decreasing or taking that completely out? or are you suggesting that we take that completely out and add revenue um from the interest up above which would make that number even go even less same bolt and I mentioned our pay you want to go into that too that saves

some of us don't get paid 40 to $60,000 anyways Aspen how much do we have in tuition reimbursement right now. I think it's just over 15,000. Okay. 15450 is proposed. I mean, we could stop that for a year. I think it's a little I mean I know we're trying to look for stuff here and there but

they're way get more trained more effective. Yeah, you have also like don't we have like they have to stay with the city for so long do so then they're not leaving it. It kind of benefits us too if they're doing I'm fine with us focusing on the little things, but I mean really I mean the revenue moves the needle and the the decrease moves the needle as well. So if that's what we're talking about then I mean let's let's focus on that or let's or let's focus on all these little things as well. When you're saying the revenue are you seeing the revenue from the interest? Is that where you're adding that in that 500? I mean that's that's that's the way you balance it. Yeah. I think that's you got to get revenue going in.

Yeah. We either use it from you know what we what we've robbed from for the past five years which is general fund. The general fund.

I mean you can subsidize with that. You can subsidize it by putting $3 million infused from you know like you suggested. But then you you you want to designate certain line items to be able to those onetime purchases. I like the jaws of life. So a fire truck, a used one for now, right? So I guess what do you want to put in here right now? I say add the 600,000. Get that for the interest and see where we're at. Well, 600,000 is for the full 18 million, right? Yeah,

that was 700,000 for the full 18 million. Oh, okay. Sorry. The other day, but you're going to you're going to dig into that. Yeah, we're going to try to get the best interest on there. But then then I guess the proposal that that is the case, then it takes down to I don't know what you're looking for. I'm sorry. The main number is that have the remainder of like the 600,000 main number for how much we save. So if we got 3.4% off the 15 million we put in that's 510,000.

So what's the remainder this number left? So we need to come up with if that takes six then you have 600,000 that you're still going to make up for whether you take that out of your current budget or you raise taxes on that. What would that increase be at the 40% or something? What's that? I think it was 30. So I guess Okay, hold on. I guess I'm Are you guys wanting to give me a percentage that you're wanting to raise taxes to and then we can look?

No, we're saying if if we use those 600,000 interest from the water credit funds that go to here. So we need to basically say the salaries increased on this. So then that remainder how much you have to pay taxes for that. between 26 and 27%.

But so is that is that number though going if we got this reduced to 15% because right now we're at just under 11. Well, it would just be increasing the revenue, but the expenses would stay the same. So, no, you would not be getting your 15% reduction in expenses.

I kind of like it. I feel like we could do a little bit of like, okay, now we're getting a little bit of revenue, so we can go I think I like the approach of not trying to raise property taxes, but then we haven't done that for 16 years. Are we going to keep doing that? Are we just gonna say no property taxes ever? We're going to be in a similar problem if we just And so, I I would like to get it as low as possible. I mean, I've already said I I think that, you know, there's things we could take out, but I think we need to keep the increase. I think we can do a little bit here and there and kind of get that number as low as possible. I think that should be our goal of I like doing the putting three million so we have it in savings and then getting interest on the 15 to account for more revenue. And I think there are places we can skim out here a little bit to take out because I think you have taken out the two million for the park out of the 18 million under this Yeah. So there is some foric slopes that will roll over and then as well as current debts. So

So you're already at 15 million. Yeah. 153 for investment that's available out of the 183 that was brought in. So of that because I took everything out from the contribution of fund balance and all the other general fund accounts. If you want to put those back in to reallocate, I think that that would be fine. But we do have some prior obligations already in capital projects that do need to be seen. So you're saying we have 15 million, but that's not putting 3 million in the general fund. We only have 15 million to invest because you can put 3 million and then you have 12 invest, right? We're saying some of the 18 million already been essentially in the account.

Yes. Because I took it out of the general fund for all the contribution to fund capital projects in there. I took those line items out. Right. We could put that back in, but then it just goes, right? So, there's just tradeoffs, right, to considering what we're doing with the 8 million. We could invest all, you know, it's at your direction. So, I can obviously change this to reflect your decisions, but just where it sits right now. So, so back to that, where's the money that we we received from the bond and basically the loan to fund Sing slopes? Where's that where's that money at?

So, I mean, why are we taking money from the 18 million? So, the check that's written for the water credits is $18 million 333 250. Uh, so why are we why is $2.6 $6 million taken out of that amount. How come there isn't How come there isn't an accounting for funds that we've already designated for that?

Yeah. So this 5 million I guess the bond. Yeah. I guess we'd have to see how much of these are will be spent. This one is already over. That one's almost 4 million. So right now that right there is probably part of it part of it. Um and then this you know is another's 767,000. So that is a point that I can look into just to see how much of that has been spent on those projects. But I mean so I'm thinking some of that some of that number should be in column

I No. Yeah. Not exactly because it wouldn't be recognized as new revenue, but it would kind of be like the rollover from the fund like we've talked about in the past. So, like with the sewer, sorry, excuse me, with the cemetery. Um, right. That is there, but it won't count for the next bucket.

Yeah. Okay. Maybe this question's been answered and I missed it, but I've been here for 3 years and I'm just I know that you have mentioned that maybe CO funds were being used to compensate, But I mean it's always been lean but why are we so far why are we in such a problem this year as opposed to other years recent years?

Yeah. And like I had said I will get the numbers for how much we receive how much grants the city received in co funds and how they were used. Um but last year you guys did pull from fund balance to make up the difference. So there wasn't a property tax increase but there was use of general fund balance which made up the difference. So then you guys didn't have to go through to this extent you know to try to make cuz you know you have 2.4 million that covers the one whatever this number ends up being. So if you wanted to use fund balance I mean I would advise against it but ultimately that's your decision. So if that's something you wanted to do again,

you could, you know, but it was far off. I mean, last year, I think I still have the numbers up here, the revenues were like 13 million and the expenditures were 16 million. So like, right,

it was it wasn't balanced. And so um yeah, like that's a substantial difference, right? It used with just the use of fun balance. So and I'm not pretending like that's not an option, right? You guys can use that as an option. You can use some balance. I cautioned using it sparingly just because and you know just knowing that the future like the problem will perpetuate into the future as far as the gap between what level we're operating at versus what level of revenue we're incoming until all this potential growth is actually realized. Right? It's projected. It seems nice, but our revenues aren't reflecting any of that at this point in time through property taxes or sales tax. And with those with that growth just comes more expenses associated with that. So it's not all just dollars.

No, no. Because then we have to hire more police officers. We have that new building. The animal shelter has to go somewhere. the um and then yeah but you know even just roads to maintain water lines to maintain parks to maintain we're you know all of that goes up but then we have impact fees and I mean it all it all circles that

is the option you could do propose go into the deficit there for that but I guess that's the difference here is we're proposing to try and not go into the deficit like it has been in the past or at the very least making sure you guys are fully aware of the deficit that we're operating in. I guess but you do think that there will be monies that we were brought brought over and it'll increase that fund from 2026. Yeah, we're not going to spend 100%. That's for sure.

Yeah. And there's e, you know, even in talking with department heads since this has come out, they're like, "Yeah, what if we do no more spending for this year, you know, on certain lines like what can we do to help, you know, supplement that into next year?" Because it will just go into the general fund. So, you know, based on that, if we wanted to do a projection of how much will be unexpended rolling into general fund at the end of this year 26, I plan on using that rather than like necessarily dipping into the 2.4, four, but using what would be unexpended from 26. We could look into using some of those monies

and I could it would be rough. It wouldn't be an exact because I don't know what they're going to spend, but we could get you a number that's closeish. You were also going to look at how much we can keep in that general fund in excess, right? You said 35%. Yes. Is is the 15 putting the $15 million in there is that gonna put us over right. Yes. We may have to take that money and ponder the rest of this is limit. What's our next steps?

So I think just if I can get some direction on what you guys would want to see changes like if you want to see what okay what does it look like if we invest? What does it look like without a cola? What does it look like with the partial cola? What does it look like with, you know, are you wanting to see some of the onetime asks that some of the departments have and consider those for $18 million spending or not? Just kind of give me a direction and then I can prepare it and I'll present it again with those different all those things. Yeah, that's what I was just going to say. So, all these we talked about every one of those plus a few others. Okay. It's a step the right direction, don't you think? Yeah, that like that puts us in front of

and I think we can all come up with ideas. I mean, anything that we have too, we could Dad, if you want to stop by and visit, have a ideas or want to come play with or we can send that to you. We have a we have a pretty full slate coming up in this next meeting, right? We always do. Well, no, but there's there's no way we can discuss this in the next meeting, but we need to decide by the second, right? Is that second meeting of June? The second meeting in June. But we will we have to notice public hearing. Yeah. Or is that after

how many days? Is that a 30-day notice or what is a notice? Yeah. So we have to adopt our final budget by June 17th which is the second meeting in June. When do we have to announce the hearing of the amount? Yeah, it's walk back the dates. Walk walk back from the date when Yeah, it's like I need to verify. I want to say it's like 14 days because we'd have to have a public hearing prior to like adopting the

interim. Sorry, it's not the final. It would be an interim budget um to start functioning fiscal year 27 under while we went through and finished the truth and taxation process and went through that public hearing in August. But we need to do the regular public hearing, not just the increase that's being proposed. You would have to do that know that at least the tax we need it in May by the end of May so you can get the notice. Any other direction for Aspen?

A lot of ass. Thank you. Yeah, we appreciate it. Everybody's awesome. It's not fun. But good job. Thank you for what you're doing. Thank you. It' be great to see all that as Yeah.

Okay. I think we can close agenda item number two and return to item number one, discussion of the memorandum of understanding with the Tilla County School District. It is getting late. anything we want to talk about that tonight or I can make a motion we table it. I would just like to ask the question if we did sell the city park to school district what would they what would they offer us for the entire thing and could we have an agreement until we replace it?

We would have to we could utilize it. Yeah. until we we find a way in which we could replace and that they could utilize it until they until it's entirely theirs. I just feel like everything is like speculative because they said they were going to buy it, then they said they're not going to buy it. So, we don't know what to do. So, we know what we what the options are, but like we could sit here and talk about it, but we don't know. But, we did in a month time we do an appraisal and it really wasn't that much. Well, that wasn't I think it was just that. Yeah, that was

I mean it's improved the land so it's got to go off and approved approve improved. I just think we're kind of kind of a rock and a hard place because we we obviously want them to pay us but we obviously need the kids to have the facility. So like it would be great since hey you have to pay us if they say no then our kids have to leave. Exciting. Thank you. I know I already heard from a couple parents very concerned about that. Yeah, it's a huge but my wife's one of those. Yeah, I'm one of those.

I that's the last thing I want. But I feel like if we don't try to come to a better agreement, um nothing's ever going to change. just like nothing has ever changed. And it's interesting how like Yeah. I mean, how coaches feel about it was kind of really more more the interesting thing to me. They've just had to hassle with it so long that they're just like, "Can you guys just do can you figure out how to solve this?

Do you guys do you guys think that if we sold it to the school that might push kick the can down the road on a new high school?" Yes, but the like I said the word was two years ago 2028. Now the word is and obviously these are just things that board members are just spitting out or staff or whatever but now they're saying 8 to 10 years regardless.

I mean I think they'd have to really think that through. They'd have to build they have to design a new structure and probably build the one next to it. like there's going to be a displacement and it would be easier for them just to build somewhere else and dis and just shift everybody over to the new school and then turn it into a junior high or something versus

try to build try to build a yeah go vertical with that building or knock part of it down or and then the other component there is that Cherry Street probably would have to be redesigned in that process and I don't know if that's that's a PNZ question that I didn't even know if we could entertain. But um but yeah, I it's I don't know if it's an option or the option or not an option, but um the the issue is not going away. So, and I think that's why it's been it's been on on you know last year was it last year or the year before they purchased the Dow James Park which had same similar issue. So the school district did purchase that park. So they they've you know set a precedence that there you know can do that. Um it's just how how the community softball field as well. Yeah,

but it's designated now as the Tula High School softball field. Correct. And then the other fields around it are city fields.

I don't know. I don't know the answer to this one either. I mean, we can we can table this and push it into the next meeting, but I I the request was if you have a proposal and you want to put a proposal together and get us something that we can review and look at, then we we'll look at that. Um, but we have, you know, we've got to put a band-aid on the problem to look towards a long-term solution. the long-term solution. I don't know if those two are tie tie it together or pull it, you know, or go to two two different directions. So, but we don't have a memorandum of understanding in place currently. And if we are going to have conversation that to allow the school district to use that property next year, we have to at a minimum at least have that in my opinion. Will you resend that? I'm

running. I don't like this. Okay. Are we ready to close that discussion? Okay. We're going to close agenda item number one or two or whatever you want to call it. Um I need a motion to adjurnn. Mayor, I'll make a motion. I'll second the motion. All right. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Thank you everyone. Beautiful.