Planning Board - Regular Meeting

storage building that'll be for the tenants of the plaza primarily and the owner. So these aren't for rent individually or they will be. Yeah. Yeah. I think these people have their first first. You're going to rent to them first. Yes. But if they don't rent, I could go rent one technically. Okay. Okay. Now, are you is he central business? Yes.

CBD. Is he still busfall? Are you here? Is he still in central business there? Central business. Um, do they have sidewalks over there now, Bob? Okay. Sidewalks are there. It looks like you got some trees or something off there. Yes. Looks like there's something here. Yeah, that's existing landscaping. Okay. And these are the new

Yep. Now, do you have enough room between your building and the property line to drive back there or are you sharing with this guy? It is what it is. You know, I mean, this is how they get back there now. I don't and I don't know how accurately that you know I I superimposed the survey map on the Google photo. So you have a survey with you apparently. There's a right here. Yeah. 15. How much ft 15? So we're good enough to be able to get a vehicle back there. So they're driving around the north side of the building there. Yeah.

Okay. Are you putting it in the existing parking area? Right on the edge of it. I went back there, Norma. It's all parking back there now. Okay. Like I could turn around and everything without any problem. Yeah. These garages are going to be on that existing parking area or are they going to be off? Off just off the park. You going to put a new foundation? Put a new foundation in there. Yeah. So, it's all unheated. Unheated. Unheated. Yeah. No sewer, no water. I mean, I don't think you you won't even see it

from baseline at all. I mean, I literally drove down there and drove around with that. Drainage. How you going to do drainage for Well, it's pretty much existing drainage. We'll have gutters on there and a discharge back here for like natural recharge. Whatever doesn't recharge, there's a pond. Let's not label pond. Oh, slightly. Yeah, there's a pond back there. So, there if it doesn't recharge, it'll flow into the pond. Are you okay with that, Bob? Or you can make something for your

Our site plans need a little more detail. I agree with what he's doing and more than likely it's going to be but the requirements from our site plan. We need a topo to give you at least then show you drainage. I mean I know what it's doing but I had to go through our area mapping and find and do and look and make it your site plan should be concise complete with that information. So we need a topo um along with that elevation for the building to be set at. You just there's no you know what's contractor. Okay. He needs the tools to work with. Um, do you want the drainage plan as part of the site plan or part of the building?

Amen. I'm going to, you know, with what you propose, I you know, if if this board chooses to pass tonight, there's a couple of things extra I want you to add to the plans in order to get it. No problem. Like I said, going to be one of them. Just some spot elevation. Show us when the dut contours. Put contours. It's a pancake. They're pretty good. Just try to get a general idea what's going, you know. Okay. I also noticed that these plans are not sealed by uh I that was an oversight, but we did submit um Rhonda has a copy of the stamp. Yeah, we have one size

and Yeah. I mean, because it's behind the plaza, even though it's an accessorary building, it you're never going to see it. So, we still need to go through the previous different material stone or different color metal on the bottom. I struggle with it only because when Ron Wilson was in 2095, we made him made him go ahead and do it. Amend it down to just, you know, two different metal patterns. We took the stone. This this group did wave the stone off. Your your client wouldn't have a problem doing like a band of one color of metal on the bottom.

I don't think the top plan right now is black roof, green siding, and white doors. Okay. Maybe if you wanted a band, I don't think he would. But I mean, I don't think we need a band in the back, but maybe the We did that with Ron, too. We only had three sides. The three sides. Fair enough. Yeah. So, we would be looking for some, you know, just a different color of the metal. Okay. So, if you're doing green here, right, black roof. Yeah. And then whatever or something on the bottom, you know, up three feet or something. Okay. Oops. That's yours. Yep. Okay.

You're going to have electric, right? Electric or how you going to do that overhead or is it going I think we're planning on underground. That's the talk right now. Okay. Then poles obviously on baseline electric or probably coming out of the plaza. Okay. Um, you don't note any lighting on the site. Uh, we do talk about the lighting. There's a the last paragraph in the blurb at the bottom. He's got dark sky lighting will be added.

We I mean, we really should kind of notate that's I'm going to say a little little more little more detail. Well, I think the the the building permit drawings will have all the details because we don't have detailed building drawings yet even. So, you know, like I couldn't tell you the foundation or Well, actually, what your architect gave one? We had That's kind of a generic one when you But you need to have a light above each door. Well, we at least on the corners for lighting the lot more. I think I think electrical codes can probably require a light over every door. Oh, okay. And then maybe if you're saying like here and here possibly. Yeah.

So, you need a little more. Yeah, that follow anyway. Building permit drawings that would be where that would show up. Okay. Parking lot would be something you talk about. Pardon? Parking loting is something you can talk about here. Yeah. Yeah. He started he wrote on the drawings that it's wall packs on the building corners to like the park. So um that's for this board to discuss wall tax on the new building.

It's like I said there's a couple sentences there at the bottom of the drawing page. You want a larger window? Okay. I apologize. Now, do you see it's going to be underground? Where are you going to feed it inside the building? It's going to go inside the building. It's going to be on the exterior with electrical feed. Be on the permit drawing. On the electrical permit drawing. Oh, one thing. If you're going to feed on the exterior, you're going to need be I don't know where the service is in the in the but I'm sure he's going to be coming out of here.

Yep. and then just drench it to wherever they're going to want it. And the all those air conditioners were up on the wall so they're not on the ground back there. Okay. I would assume they would come pop out a corner and go underground, you know, come out here and go like that be how I would do it. You don't do it over here and then have to drive, you know, drive everybody over it or over here in that 15 foot east. just I would think we're going to go dig in the mud and bury it because this you know the if ever is going to do anything with the rest of the property it would be this would be the access right so I imagine the underground construction would be over here

I mean they could put wall packs on the building too the the existing building oh we just got to make sure that whatever you do for lighting it doesn't I mean where's it going to spill over the side of this guy's building and there's Nothing here. No. Yeah, it'll be directed down just to light up this area. Anybody else have any other Are you going to have lighting on the interior of these garages? I'm pardon. Lighting on the interior of the garages? Yes. Electrical inside, but no no heat or no heat, no water, right? No heat, no no water, no sewer, but electrical. You going to meter each garage separately?

I don't know. I have a question. Um, just curious on the seeker short form of the habitat type it says wetland and there's an X and says urban suburban. Is that X intended to be in the wetland box or is there are there wetlands there that you're currently or planning to be working through any kind of regulatory review for? Okay. Was this was this intended to reflect something other than what I can't interpret what that meant? Because I know that New York State Department

has changed the regulation and that is there should be two boxes here. One for the wetland, one for urban suburban. Okay. I think that's what you urban suburban is setting. Okay. Okay. I think the form should have another box here for if it was a wetland. So that's what happened. Yeah. Because I was just curious because the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation changed their state wetland regulations in January of this year and that's one of the new types of wetlands that can be regulated by the state. So that's that's why that's what prompted the question.

How did they change it? Um they add a lot they added a lot of new special not the maps the maps are no longer rats are actually on the maps anymore but they've added like 16 new criteria by which the state can take jurisdiction over wetlands and urban suburban wetland is in one of the categories. So, but I went by there. It I mean to me you mentioned the pond but it's just looks like you know up grass. Yeah. I didn't see cattails or right marshy or Yeah. I didn't suspicious either but I just wanted to clarify on that.

Interesting. Austin the projects have done but a few options. So Oh, okay. So we have under It's under 4. It's under 4,000 square feet. So, it's actually a type two action exempt from secret. Oh, so you didn't need to fill that. Well, we we requested to be filled in so we could evaluate that. Okay. With that question, too. You just said you're going to have your grain go all back to the pond down. It'll not necessarily go back to the pond. I think we were going to just But it said you're going to hook up for the storm grains to establish conveyance systems which is the field. Well, looks like here you do have a catch basin you could grab too.

Catch basin. Got to go somewhere. Is that Yeah. I think the plan was to just run it back here. You know, probably have a little depression for it to recharge and if it doesn't recharge, it'll just go into the pond.

Do we need something for you about for storm water? Um all right project size is under acre so it stays under any of the thresholds with big projects is like I said I you know I need to I need elevation of the building drainage patterns identified I don't think it's not as he said a small increase and we don't have any we're not aware of any drainage issues in that area. Um it's likely going to weep its way to that pond. Yep.

There's other aerial photos that show each of those places. There's a fairly extensive bunch of swailes and stuff that's been dug around through there over the years that moves that water over to that pot. Um I think his drawing should have because of storm water at least some kind of um erosion and sedimentation control on it for the for the contractor whether it's you know silt fence or the coil log you know coconut log perimeter to protect what's during construction runoff. Um maybe a couple more dimensions too on the plan side, but I said in its size and where it's located in what it's doing, it's kind of a cleaner on any of the regulations.

We'll put that we'll include that on the on the permit drawings for the building permit in case you want it sooner. Yep. Is everybody good or any other question? Do we got table this and wait for the information to come back to us and look at it again or do you want to just put provisions? Well, I think I think we were just talking about the different colors. Well, yeah. Uh more clarification on the electrical which could go through buildings and then we got to put some type of language to cover engineering topos, you know, topo and drainage and

erosion control or you know by the engineering part which we've done in the past. What are we looking for for the bottom of the building? Just a different color. Just a different color. Let's go to ARB for experience. Uh, I don't think so. Well, then you got the one. We will send it to our computer. Oh, you will? Yeah. Okay. Because it's an accessory. Oh, okay. So, I thought it was commercial. Supposed to match the I think that building is the existing building is a block building, is it? Yeah, it's a black building. So, it's with brick on the front, isn't it?

It's It might be. I I didn't really look at the front real close, but I believe the building was all blocked, so it's kind of spend their money on range. Yeah, I don't think that we need to have a block building. It wouldn't. It's a storage building. Yeah, that would be the most different storage building.

Does anybody want to make a motion or do you want me to All right, I'll make a motion to approve. with um condition of more detail on the lighting and on the building and the parking and we would need um to satisfy the engineering department for their requirements on the parking. What what are you looking for for the your lighting on the parking lighting the parking? Is that okay, Bob? You don't need me to spell out every little thing. You took notes of what I was saying. He's been writing over here. I um in the different color wings.

He's got topo Bob erosion control sediment control measure and we need um building elev. All right. So elevation just I'll go quick down my list here. So it's topo. We need drawing should have at least an elevation for finished floor for the building to be set at. Okay. Um I said identify some form of a drainage pattern once you do the topo road erosion sedimentation control measure for construction. Um and probably a little more dimensions what you've got there. You've got just like one or two. There's no right you got two you got one off of each side. That's it. You know some kind of dimensions back from existing. Where's he going to put this thing? What's you know give him the give them the road map. Okay.

Where you going to start the building from the existing? made electrical to them. That's that's not engineering, but yeah, those you guys got to make sure those are. And then on the exterior, we want uh a different color metal band on the bottom of on three sides, not the back. Do you want something submitted for you'll have to with building for the Yeah. As long as they're happy with the way it goes. Yeah. It's going to go. They're going to push it to architectural review. So, they're going to want to know your colors. Great.

Anybody else got anything else? Covered everything. What's your timetable on this? Just curious. Yes, sure. I think second by anyone. Second. Second by date. Any more discussion? All in favor? We're all set, sir. Thanks for coming in. Thanks very much for your time. Thank you. Approval. Hopefully didn't catch you up too bad. Well, Kirk Kenny was supposed to see her too, but he's out of town. So, that's a good answer. Probably some of them. That's okay. So, I think the sooner he's going to send stuff

appropriately. I'm going to send you the plan that we have now. Okay. what they're doing. They're not going to scrutinize it that hard. So, but we'll start the 30-day clock this week. Yeah, it's they next board next time board meeting, they can't approve. They've got to wait for the 30 days for the kind. But you're going to be stuck waiting for architecture. But I mean, obviously get yourself squared with building in order to start, but you know, we got a we got a little bit of time we've got to answer. Okay. All set. Go get the

All right. I'm going to I'm going to use your existing plan and I'm going to use your existing secret form to submit it to the county because I'm just just keeping things moving. Start a 30-day clock. Um it's not usual they'll have substantive questions or concerns with what you're proposing. So, you know, I don't anticipate anything out of them where that's uh we'll get that time frame done so the town board can. Okay. Actually, communications one and two is I'm going to say is received and filed. Number three. Okay. This was the

the maintenance law that we made the motion. They sent us a copy of them. Yeah, I think we just asked for a copy of it, right? So, what I had done as I had a conversation with the town attorney about the whole procedure, we got skipped and the whole 10 yards there. Final thing of our conversation was could you talk? Yeah.

Final thing of our conversation was if we wanted as a board that we could go back through the law, write our recommendations and send them to to the town board. Then if they felt they would want to change the law, they could do it at that point. So my question to the board is is do we want to do that or just let it go? Well, I think there's some some mistakes in here. One says 24 days. I think it should be 24 hours. I mean, the clearing of ICE and No,

I I'm not 100% positive, but I believe that when they do this and they're going to send you a bill, it did not administrative of the town added to that bill. So, if this law gets exercised, whoever they're exercising against is going to cost the town money to to do this. Yeah, it doesn't cover that. That doesn't seem to make sense to me. You should have to pay all fees.

And also the other one about obstruction shall be cleared within 5 days from the date of mailing. If you mail something nowadays, you may not get it for four days after it's mailed. Yeah. Or a week. Yes. So, I don't think that's appropriate. I'm going to fall back to supervisor. So, did I don't disagree with what you're saying. However, I wouldn't want to put a uh nominal fee or penalty in a law. I would rather that be reserved for the fee schedule just adopted every year. That way you don't have to go change the law for change. You know what I mean? That's understandable. Yeah. So I I would just recommended that's done over here, right?

That makes But I still feel that whatever the fee schedule says, it should cover the whole bill. It shouldn't cost the town any money. Kind of looks like if you don't mow your grass, they're going to mow it for you and send you a bill. But you don't know what any of that is a good deal, right? Yeah, might end up costing some money. I might sell my lawnmower like you guys do it. I agree. Well, it seems like we've made all these suggestions before. We've sent them to the town. They've seen them and they've ignored them. I don't know why we're going to do this again. No, we didn't do this. Remember, we never did this one, Dave. Remember, this was the one that was highlighted. We tabled it

and we never made a recommendation. Remember, remember it came in in May. Yes, we tabled it because of the highlighted we didn't couldn't figure out what was going on. Then we didn't meet in June, so we didn't have a meeting. Then July, we met again and there was no Garcia wasn't here. We sent out a letter to Garcia to come to the August meeting. In the meantime, he pushed it through the attorney and the town board to get a vote from the town board. So when he came in August when we were here, right, pretty much we never really went through it. We never really went through this at all.

We discussed the procedure of how it where and where where and how it went, but and this board never really looked through the law. We did a lot of like yakin, what he called fearmongering. Um I mean we didn't give him anything constructive like I mean we don't seem to be really doing that here. We seem like we are always saying, "Hey, you missed this, you missed that, you missed that." We're not here to say, "Oh, you did a great job." Give us the recommendation. I would I Is everybody good with that? That we can put this on referral for next meeting. Do I need to go through the town board for a referral or no?

No, you have theoretically moved on. It's still on your agenda. Could be. Okay. You guys can make recommendations to us anything any law changes you want. So, is everybody good to do this for next meeting? Next meeting. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't had I wanted to talk to everybody first. I didn't want to just push it through and say, "Hey, we're doing this without everybody." I think that's fair. Do we want to take a vote to make a motion to put this back on our agenda? I'll make a motion to put the local law number one of 2025 on our agenda next for review it. Okay, I'll second. And you'll second. Any further discussion? All in favor?

I Okay, this next meeting. All right. So, that's now report on the comp plan. There wasn't one. Wasn't one meeting was cancelled and I'm sure Long Road is still unfinished. Oh, Bob's Oh, yeah. There's box over there. Tom board was given another update. Consultants went through it. There's some still decision of complete incomplete. Still working through logistics. Okay. Okay.

Regarding training. I'm sorry. Regarding training, I took a training course with the New York um planning federation. In August, I sent in for a certificate and they said, "No, you can't do that because you're not a member." Really? I had to tell you the There is one. There is one. The dues aren't paid. Right. That's why we haven't got the magazines either.

The last time it was paid was January of 2024. I talked to the uh to Kurin this today and she said she sent out an email to uh town board and other officials wanting to know if anybody got the um uh the invoice and if they did give it to her so she can pay it. So today she tells me she says your board members must have got it got the invoice. I said no they they don't get that invoice. it's always gone directly to the town hall and so she wants a contact to uh so that she can get an invoice to pay it but right now we are not part of the federation

but we haven't been at all this year. All this year, right? Which is Yeah. Which is why we're not getting the magazine. Yeah. I never put two and two together. Right. Me neither. What did you um the uh the duties of the uh the clerks. Okay. It's very interesting. Um, but yeah, they sent me an email back and just said, uh, no, you can't do that. We pay our bill, but they'll give you extra. Yeah. The invoice is in this building someplace. Well, or it never made it. I mean, so didn't you ask for something, too, Jim? Yeah, I've been getting certificates, but nothing within the last four or five months. So,

yeah. It's due in January every year. Is it something that we could take next meeting like what you learned from that and what Jen did and and you two guys do a small Well, I think the problem did that we become a member. It's got to be certified training. Okay. Yeah. Um somebody's got to make contact with the New York Planning Federation. Okay. Yeah. I mean, somebody's got to be put on the point to make have that information. No. I get I get those emails that I forward to you which are meaningless for us at this point. Right. Yeah.

And uh I tried going on the website once to see if I could get any more information and they wanted a a password which of course I don't have. I just get the emails. Right. Okay. So what do we want to try to do for our training next month? We got to try to get We only had one hour this year. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. How many you need? Four. Four. Yeah. What are you guys in the mood for? Can Casey do something? Get the attorney's office doing take the pick. We can get Would you guys want to have Casey give us something from building? We have questions for the building department. Did you use last year?

Well, we had Oh, the sewer. No, you did the water. Oh, that's right. Okay. And that was it. We didn't get our training done last year. Ball kind of got dropped. That's why I've been trying to take at least four of those classes because I kind of thought that was our hours. So, I don't mind taking I mean, I've learned a lot. They're good. Well, to be tough, but those aren't recognized training when you when you said Justin me coming in talking water is not a we're not a certified training program. No, but that's how we've been doing this for years. So, are we we need to change that up?

I'll tell you what, you got a couple new members. You should probably just dust off a couple of those modules. The old base law program, you know, and and at least are certified. Let's get Why don't you work on two of those and then we'll work on two other things. Okay. Tom, would you have any time to try to look into training for us? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We can just get this help. I think assuming there's somebody there that's going to help. Okay.

So, Tom Kristen Sabar has got to think through her engineering firm where they talk about uh storm water and swiftness process and that kind of stuff. She I mean I think that's a certified one. That would really be a good one. It would probably be a good one to give to. Would you be able to reach out to her, Tom? Okay. So, we got that going. Okay. So, next meeting whatever is on the agenda and regardless we will meet to do this this snow shoveling grass cutting program. I think training some training too. Yeah.

Well, why don't we do a module? Do a module. This one any particular No, you pick we do the first one. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Whatever you want. With this new law, does that mean we can get a hold of right aid to get them to cut down the tree that's fell over days ago? I don't know. Does this new cutting isn't that more on that? Isn't there a law on trees that fall that wasn't that done years ago? Trees fall in the course. Does anybody Okay.

Wasn't there something on huge road where the tree was falling on the other guy's house? Right. Okay. So that was like kind of a Yeah, that was a real outlier to do. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't just a cut plan there. How about maybe Aldi's would be interested in Raid's building? They're not ask too far off the highway.

They want the only reason Aldi's looks at the island was that location that we tried to get them like anchor tenant for Rivertown any stuff you know come into the middle be here for us and and it is not for the island. They they literally said the drive by traffic is their driving factor of and so agree that location that site that accessibility or they wouldn't even be drive by on the throughway or the because of the ramp right there. Yeah. But how are they going to recognize that there's an ali there before they get to that ramp? They're marriage for their sign. Once once it once it's there and known it's it's accessibility. It's okay.

You're coming on you're coming on to the island. You're going to pass them off the bridge. You're going to see it. Piece of the busiest crossroad the busiest piece of art back there. They said if something happens to Paris they'd be interested in that since they're that spot's got a good traffic thing too. Yeah. So is all these going to happen? Still working on it. said they said in their 15 years uh putting up uh stores all around the country, this is the worst piece of property there. So, well, at least we're number one. You know, like you see, we're winning somewhere. But they are still working on it's still going to be

again Dave, I think that falls back to like what what Norm was saying. You got a bad guy. Rules don't apply. Yeah. Well, Motion to dismiss. Anyone? You want to introduce Kristen? Yeah. Oh, is going to be our new secretary. Arlene is abandoning us just right. Would you like to tell them a little bit about Sure.

Um, I currently work at Niagara County and Supreme Court. So, I'm in felony court all day. So, You know, I'm not going to be afraid of any of you guys. You guys come and text me in cuffs all day long. Um, previously to that, I was a Grand Island town clerk. So, I used to do the meeting minutes for the town board. So, I'm hoping that that, you know, helps. And I also have five kids and four grandkids. Are you a stenographer at the clerk? At the court, I'm sorry. No, but I did take stenography. Okay. And uh and I got all the way up to 195, but I needed 225 and some family stuff happened. And that's okay. And I didn't do that, but Yeah. Okay.

No, no. I work for the chief clerk. Cool. We talk slow. As long as I can get us to talk one at a time, then we're that's better. Yeah, that's balance doesn't bother me. But I'm not gonna be able to talk slow, so that's okay. when I raised on the island. My uh my grandfather was actually a judge here at town hall um many years ago. He was a judge when it was a voting wing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was actually a a voting member of town board and a judge. Well, welcome aboard and we're glad to have you.

Thank you, Arlene. We're going to miss you, Arlene. You want to

How many years has it been again? I started with the zoning board in 1973. Then the woman that was doing planning said, "I really want to retire. How would you like the planning board?" So a few months later, I took took the planning board also. Then when they started the architectural board, they asked me to do that board. So I did that for a while. So when I started full-time in the assessor's office, I gave up the um zoning and uh architectural board, but I kept the planning board for God only knows why.

No, that was way before me was u Mr. Harrison was uh uh chairman at the time way before all your time. You went through many chairs. Yeah. And Miller was chairman and Frank starting at home. Yes. That's that's that's that's recent. That's recent. Yes. Last question before we adjourn. Does is everybody staying on for next year if does anybody want to leave for any reason or is anybody's term expired? I don't know what the terms are. Arlene's got the list of terms, but is everyone still want to stay on here?

Okay. Okay. Well, that uh Ronda's sending me an email want to know if we have any empty seats or anything or if anyone we're going to do another mass advertisement, make sure we cover all the boards looking for people and whoever needs to be reappointed. We're make sure we get all done meeting. We're full at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. if somebody was out of, you know, out of out of term and wanted to uh, you know, go on a vacation with Arlene, you know, we [Laughter] Okay. Well, good luck, Arlene. Thank you. You've done a good job. Yeah. Thank you, Arlene. I'll miss.

We were glad to have do on Monday night. Second Monday. What's Jeopardy? be like Johnny Carson. We're gonna see that she's not being invited on. Well, you're still on a we make a motion to adjurnn. So, yeah, I'd like to adjourn. You know my system.