Community Preservation Committee - Regular Meeting

Declared the meeting open at 7 o'clock. And we'll skip to our project people. I don't know if Paul reached out to you to say he was not going to be here at least until 8. So, Amy, if you want to... Do a quick presentation of the work that you did so you can get home. Yep.

So I've been working on – Let me stop one thing.

There's nothing. There's somebody in the booth? Yep. Okay, because it's like none of these TVs are on. Do those need to be on?

They don't need to be on. I think we're – we don't have Zoom, do we?

No, but so like if she's showing something, I don't know. Does it matter?

We'd need to have a Zoom for.

Because like if he wants to share like his. All he has to do is plug on in.

Just then we'll power up his computer in there.

Okay. I don't have an HDMI if I do. I'm sorry. I also have an HDMI. I could share some too.

Thank you. Sorry about that. Go ahead, Amy.

Yeah. So I've been working on cleaning the vault organizing. And so I was working on the cemetery section and there was this folder with all of these maps in here folded and kind of one is even on a bag. But it's a really good map of Pine Grove Cemetery. And so we had them kind of flattened and steamed and ironed and the ink came a little bit brighter. So I have pictures of the before and after. And then the Civil War Registry was in this little box and it was rolled up and deteriorating and just very very very brittle and so they were able to take the glue that was bad for the paper off and then they put each page in the cellophane and it's very readable now they saved as much as they could on the first page but it was extremely brittle and so they backed it so that there would be no more deterioration and it's public record so anybody can come see it in my office. It's kept in the vault so it won't continue to deteriorate. And I have pictures of the before and after, but it turned out great. And then there was also this book. and all of the pages were falling out and the binder was falling off. And they didn't take any of the old binding off. They just stuck the pages back in and sealed them up and then just fixed the edge here. And what kind of papers are those?

What types of documents are those?

Oh, this was the overseer of the poor book. Anyway, it's all in the clerk's office in the vault. If anybody ever wants to see it, it's a public record.

Good. Thank you.

Or, I mean, a public document.

Sure. Because you don't want to leave these things. So if we want to look at these things real quickly, do you guys want to look at any of these things so that she can take them and put them back in the vault? I took a look. I looked at the funnel, didn't you? Yeah.

This is the best because, I mean, you didn't see it before, and the pictures aren't really showing you how just deteriorating it was, but it was really falling apart. You can touch it because this plastic has been, you know. And they used special paper out of, I'm not sure what, but 1862. It's like rice paper. Yeah. So interesting. Yeah, I'm just glad it was, they were able to get the glue off and save the top names, you know what I mean?

Is this age? Civil War related?

Yes, it was the enlistment, or the register.

Awesome. 62, so about three years more than that.

and they're not on the list.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that's true.

They're up on the wall in the walk. Oh, that's a good point.

Then there's this book. I have it over here if you want to see it. But they did a nice job to put the original binding back in without taking the whole book apart.

I'd like to learn how to write like that.

The overseers of the board.

I think they switched over to penmanship, but that type of calligraphy where it's just that style.

I was able to find a few more books on the vaults.

I looked into the booth and I was like...

strange things that the index is in the back and it's not in the back.

It's a file back to their seats if you're watching this.

As the clerk said, you can find these documents at any time in the clerk's office if you're interested. Pretty sure nobody's going to be able to read that. I don't know. I don't think that's it. I don't want to be able to read cursive. I don't know.

I teach my kids cursive. They stopped teaching cursive the year I went into kindergarten. So I never learned. And then I go to get my driver's license or my permit. And then on my five-year renewal, it was COVID. So they just auto-renewed. And so until I was like 27, I just had this like scratch on my license. I'm like, I got to change this. And my picture too. I was like 16. Yeah.

Does anybody have any questions? No? I think it's really cool.

It is cool. I'm glad we were able to get these maps, too. They're so detailed.

Excuse me.

Okay.

Well, if you ever want to see them, they're in the vault.

Great. I appreciate it. I know Paul's probably disappointed that he's not here to see them.

He can come in and see them. I sent him the pictures.

Okay, great.

We kind of jumped ahead on our projects, but Thank you And I'm gonna welcome Lucas this first meeting tonight so I It would be nice to Lucas. He's just getting started. Is he a member at large? He's at large. Your term, do you know? I'd have to look. It's three years probably from whatever. Yeah. 9-29? Yeah. Okay.

Have you sat on any other committees in town?

I serve on the... Vice Chair of the Veteran Advisory Committee. I serve on the Monuments, Trustees of Soldiers and Sailors Memorials, and then I serve on the IT Committee.

Okay, great.

And just very quickly, I know I sent an email, but Beth resigned a couple of weeks ago, so there have been a few glitches, blips, hiccups in terms of trying to get all the paperwork in the right place at the right time. And we're still unraveling and trying to get everything reorganized and in the process of hiring a new admin. So hopefully by the August meeting, we will have a new person. And William has been a big help posting and creating the packet. And every five minutes, I'm sending you something. So yeah. I know he'll be happy that that will be one less thing he has to deal with, all our administrative paperwork. Yes?

So it's okay for me to tell them to go ahead and start working on our pictures?

Yes, yes. I hope that's not the reason you came. I think we discussed it as of July 1st. I mean, you could have had work done before then, but we just couldn't have a bill dated before July 1st, but I will, I will, I will make sure you get that. It's like, I'll work, try to, cause I have the laptop. So now I'm going to get the, the agreement letters and I will work on that this weekend and get some, I will email it to you. Yeah. Okay, so I think you're all set.

No, I'm here with my grandfather.

Okay, okay, that's all right too. All right, should we let each go first?

I won't argue with that.

I did laugh at that.

I know that's not true. So I'm here because we put in an application last week. I came here last month to talk about it. I do see some new faces. I don't know if you want me to go over it.

If you want to quickly introduce yourself, make sure you sign the paper if you haven't already.

Just a quick overview of So Erica Wennerstrom, I'm here on behalf of a coalition of groups trying to get a baseball scoreboard put in at the high school. So led primarily by the Boosters Club, also participation by Grafton Little League. And we came last month to just make sure that it fit within the mandate to get some funding, got the okay there. And since then, we've been able to work out a good amount of additional funding, but we still have a gap to close. So we were able to secure $20,000 of what I would estimate will be roughly a $40,000 project cost, $10,000 of it from Gaudet Insurance coming into installment. So he is looking to pay some money this year and then some in the first quarter. That's because I'm sure he's using marketing co-op funds and doesn't have it all available right now. $5,000 from Little League and $5,000 from Boosters Club and looking for a grant from CPC to help us close the gap of what remains to get this put in in the spring. The timeline would be wait until the frost clears, hope it clears soon enough and then get to work. Part of that is driven by the fact that we obviously have to wait until after town meeting to know if we have the funding. And then the other piece is to be able to get the two payments from Gaudette. We had to separate them. So our anticipation is that if we get the approval at town meeting, we will put in a PO to solidify the pricing, take the $5,000 from Gaudette, put that down, and then pay the remainder in the spring once it's installed.

What questions do you have? Does anybody have any questions regarding the application?

I think this is good. Like I like the last last month or month before whenever we met. Yeah. The this cost breakdown is exactly what we look for 20% contingency. That's good. I'm impressed that we were able to secure 20,000 toward this as basically half the project costs, which is fairly common for some of our projects. Yeah.

pleasantly surprised that we were able to do that.

Email was pretty startling night at Goodway where it was like, oh, we can't fund all of this, but, you know, here's five. It's like, whoa, thank you very much. That's great. And big thanks to Gaudette for.

Yeah, I think it just shows how much people have wanted this for years. But we would need a lot more $5,000 increments to get there. So this is closing up a huge gap.

Were you able to confirm that you're going to be able to tie this?

least energy wise into some of the already existing we don't need to so we've confirmed that because it's solar what we're purchasing is solar it requires no energy we double checked with both the provider as well as the ad the softball field has the exact same scoreboard right now so it's been proven to work without any ancillary power did this did you ask the school committee or the superintendent about any funding from them That was, yes. We've been in a lot of communication with Ashley. We did reach out after that, Ashley being the AD at the high school, and she basically said that's a no-go, but here to help get it in. And so we've been coordinating with her quite a bit to make sure that the specs matched and she was comfortable with the project. She does want to hold on officially putting something before the school committee. We will write a letter and have them sign, but she did want to wait until The funding was in place and that won't happen until after town meeting.

I would say that it is likely the residents of town meeting would want to know that, you know, school, school board and school department is actually okay with this before they. That makes sense. I'm sure people would say, you know, some people would probably say no, if they don't have that knowledge at the time, but. I would imagine that the school committee and school board would welcome this proposal, especially if we say we're supportive of that kind of thing.

Yeah, we'll definitely socialize it before. We've been working through Ashley. Frankly, Laura often is a good friend of mine, so I can make sure she's well-primed for this. And I know that she'd be comfortable. But we've been primarily working through Ashley right now.

And I'd imagine that once the warrant comes up at town meeting, if we approve it and it gets sent, I'd a simple presentation of what this is going to be is enough to change any minds. I will just say this isn't as much for you as it is for us to put a pin when we talk about the funds of last resort thing. This is a case where we need to carve out like an exemption because you're getting a payment in installations. So if you were to expend all of the booster money, all the little league money and the first installation of Gaudette, We have to make sure that you can start spending the money we have allocated before waiting for that second installation to come in.

Yes.

Is the vendor okay with most?

The vendor doesn't need anything up front. All they said they needed, they do need a PO to solidify the price. And frankly, the price will likely go up. So that's in the contingency because the quote expires at some point in August and we obviously won't be in a position to issue a PO. But he was comfortable issuing the PO and get everything started and paying 100% at installation. We're just going to go ahead and pay a bit up front or put it in the booster club, I guess, could be another option. But it was Gaudette that wanted.

That's something else that the town can't pay for something unless, until it is done.

Say that again. I'm sorry.

The town can't pay unless it's a completed, we need an invoice to say this has been.

Yes. And that is how it, The only reason there's any upfront paying is because of Gaudette needing to split the two. The way it was framed with us is we issue a PO, they do the work, it's finished, they send an invoice, we pay.

And so Gaudette will make a donation to the booster club?

I think that's probably the most practical way to do it is have them...

So you're going to be responsible for some of the bills? Correct. I'm just trying to make sure that that's clarified, that you'll be handling...

I'll work that out with the Booster Club, but I'm almost wondering if it makes sense for Gaudet to give the money to the Booster Club for Little League.

They need to make sure everybody's on the right page for that.

We were just looking for this round, cover as much money as possible, but I hear you like we need to work out the payment logistics. The other thing to note in the contingency, we also plan to have a small sign, smallish sign put up. I know it's important to give recognition to all of our sponsors, including CPC. We're going to give the billing on the sign to Gaudette. They also actually said they would give us another $5,000 the following two years, which will help if any maintenance comes up. So $20,000 over four years, we think, gives them on-sign billing. But we're going to get a second billing that will have the Little League, the boosters, and CPC on it.

Yeah. And that's why the contingency is so important because like you said, if the quote goes up and then based on all of our policies we have, and this is also for like future applicants, you know, that money, just once you're done, anything left over just comes back up.

Rather it doesn't go out. Yeah.

Okay.

Any other questions?

So as I understand it, next step is a presentation at town meeting.

August meeting is when we actually vote on this. Okay. And so. So someone will be in touch. Yeah. I mean, if you want to come to that, you can. You don't have to. I think usually it's you need to come back if we have questions that you need to have. OK. Extra time to gather more information. I don't believe anybody has any additional information request. So we can just reach out to you to let you know that we approve this to go to town meeting. It'll be on a Warren article.

Excellent.

OK. Thank you. Thank you. I will sign my name. Thank you.

yes sir Roger came tonight to hold my hand so some of you are here at the last meeting and some of you weren't here at the last meeting but let me go through the what our plan is at at Rooney bridge just to start off by saying that the the we started to the engine company to Association started the work at Rooney bridge in 2016 we received CPC funds to build the build the bridge and redo the bridge as you see it as you see it today with the landscaping and everything One thing about this bridge is that this is the only park in town that has not funded, the maintenance is not funded by the town. So we've been almost 10 years and we have done all of the work, all of the plantings. We've put in fences to stop people from walking from parking lot through the landscape area. We put in granite posts with powder-coated chains. We decorate it every year at Christmas. The plantings take a lot of work. We've changed plantings. We had a beaver problem that wiped out six trees. We don't have that anymore, but that's... That's a good thing. So myself and Roger and my wife, Jan, maintain the park along with Engine Company 2 Association. We have a 10-year agreement with the town to maintain this at not any taxpayer cost. That is up in June of 2017, and we plan on renewing that. In 2017? That too, 27, yes, from June 2017. So in 27, so that'll be next year, we'll be renewing that maintenance agreement with the town. So the plan is to keep performing the maintenance on that park tax-free to the taxpayers. So what we want to do is, the biggest portion of this project is, installing six inch granite curbs. So right now we have Cape Cod berms and if you know what a Cape Cod berm is, it's about 12 inches wide. It starts off at two inches and then the back portion of the of the back portion of the berm is six inches. It makes it so that cars can drive up on it very easily, and that has happened numerous times where they've run over the landscaping, knocked down some of the granite posts, and really have caused some problems there. So putting in six-inch granite curbs will stop that. We've also had trucks from Washington Mills come up onto the curb, and that was prior to us putting in the granite posts. So that six-inch granite curbs will stop that. The other real important thing is installing a drop inlet in the handicapped spot. And I know you had the pictures up there, and you can probably see it. But that's a portion of the trap rock right near the Quinsigamond River. And what happens is all of the water that comes down mill street goes behind a flagpole and then comes across the across the uh... the parking lot and into this handicapped spot with the trap rockets and that your trap rock is designed to stop sediment from from going into going into the river uh... the other problem that we have is often north main street we have we have drainage coming off of north main street and doing the same thing our proposal is is to put in a drop inlet that can be cleaned by the highway department. The only way to clean this, this trap rock, is to actually dig it out. And digging it out would disturb all that area, and we're not going to solve the problem unless we put in a drop inlet. So this drop inlet, it's like a catch basin only. It's a deep sump, and the highway department will clean it out every single year. They'll go in with the bucket truck and clean it out, and then we won't have this issue anymore. So currently there is some water that goes over that trap rock in a really big rainstorm and just goes directly into the river. There is a pipe down there, and you probably can't see it there, but there is a drainage pipe down there, I've never seen water come out of it, but I don't know where it originates. So it may be an old catch basin on North Main Street, but I'm really not sure. We'll be tying into that pipe so that as the water rises in a drop inlet, the clean water goes to the top, the sediment goes to the bottom, and the only thing that exits that pipe into the river would be clean water. So that's a real important thing because you can't maintain it. It's very, very difficult to maintain it. Now, we would need to repair some of the landscaping. We'd have to do the engineering for the drop inlet and for the curbs. And that's pretty much it. We'd patch the paving and fix the landscaping. The highway department has agreed to... install the drop inlet, the grate, and any concrete pipe that we need to access the existing concrete pipe that's there. So that's pretty much it for the, oh, I'm sorry, there's one other thing. On the edges of the bridge, the bridge is designed to be crowned side to side, not front to back. So it's designed to be crowned. What happened is early on, the pavers dropped about an inch, probably because of compaction over the years and everything like that. And we just want to pull up those pavers, reset the base, and put the pavers back in place. And they'll bring those up to the crown again, where the water will go off the sides of the bridge instead of collecting on the edges of the bridge. So that's it.

Okay. That's your first time to hear the presentation. Yeah. If you guys have any questions. Sounds very thorough. Anybody else have questions?

Can I just ask where that picture that was up there, were you doing the pictures? That one. Not that one. That one. Right there. Is the curbing going to go, the granite curbing? Not that picture, but the other picture.

The last one.

Is it going to go in there somewhere?

Yes, so the asphalt berm will be removed. The Cape Cod berm will be removed. The operation is that you saw cut the pavement. You take out the berm. You set all of the new granite in concrete. and they'll replace every single berm in the entire park. So this is an issue of you can see the sign that's set back pretty far, and we have a big flower, daisies or whatever it is, in front of that. That's actually been run over. It's pretty far to go off the road, but it's very easy to drive up on Cape Cod berms.

Yeah, they're designed to be plow-friendly and everything.

Yeah, they're very plow friendly. But cars need to all get up front friendly too. That's the problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem.

And that's going to help with the runoff issue.

Well, so the big thing is to try to direct that water to this drop inlet so that all of that debris and everything that goes in there is really controlled and caught. I mean, the rest of the bridge, the rest of the park is in great shape. You know, we did some trimming last year. We're going to be doing some more trimming in the spring, I mean, in the fall. But the rest of the park is in great shape. It really is. It's just in fantastic condition. It's, you know, there's nothing else wrong down there. So we get tons of flowers and tons of landscaping and

I had lights. I drove past not too long ago, little twinkle lights by the water.

Yeah, we do have lights down there. We also have a light that shines. So we put up a flag before Memorial Day, and it stays up until 4th of July, and that's on the bridge itself, and we put a light on that. But then once that flag comes down, which I just took down last week, we put the light on the bridge shining into the opening. Mm-hmm. so that you can actually see the arch when you're driving by.

So, Ray, just some numbers and kind of looking at them, I'm seeing. So the CPA funding request, you have $195,495?

Yep.

Which that reflects from what I'm looking at, the total project cost where the Engine 2 is in-kind contribution?

Yes.

Though further down, you do have listed project total $195,495 and alternate funding total $10,000.

Contingency of $10,000.

Okay.

Yeah.

That was just what I was double-checking.

Oh, okay. So, yeah, so that was the – This is the same numbers, but that was filled out prior to changing this and knowing that the Highway Department was going to come in and help.

Okay, so the numbers on this page that is on the screen, it would be the 205, so it's still 10,000 less, but I'm just kind of double-checking.

No, it's the 195 for 195.

Oh, yeah, that's a request.

Yeah.

And that number accounts for the DPWs? Yes. Okay.

Yep. I have to reimburse their budget. So, you know, as they come down and do work, it sounds kind of crazy, but I have to do that. So that's, you know.

I just was double checking that the numbers were correct.

Yeah, and in these projects, well, in this project, I'm also working on fire stations also. So I do all of the spec writing in all of the proposals, and with Will's help, we put all this stuff out to bid. Okay. And I write the specifications.

Well, I think it's a great park. It's a worthy project. Great. And it qualifies. Great.

I had one question. This is just so I'm trying to see how it looks. How far out into the road would the new berm go? It would go all the way up to the bridge abutment. The bridge, okay.

One of the issues that we tried to solve last year was we put in more trap rock up at the top because the water coming down Bridge Street would just roll right over and take out the mulch and take out everything there. So, yeah, it'll go right up to the bridge abutment.

Oh, okay. That's good because then it would save the mulch when you get heavy rains. It'll divert it down versus going up and over. Yep.

Anything else? All right. Thank you for coming. Make sure you sign the paper.

Yes, I signed it already. Great. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time.

Have a good night, guys. Thank you.

Okay, so back to the agenda. I don't know, since we have three people absent, if we want to do reorganization or wait until next month.

Mr. Chair, do we want to do the third application right now, even though the person talking about it is on our board? Sorry.

I didn't mean to skip over you. It'll be extremely brief. In light of the email that was received from Stuart, even with EOHLC's changing opinion, it's kind of moot because that's not the opinion we would go on for a project like this. So we are going to be withdrawing this project application. Did you see the email from Stuart? Stuart basically said it was... Yeah, Stuart basically said, absolutely not, you can't do this.

Yeah, it's too bad. The thing is that if we had a fund that you could use for fundable projects, but it's almost like you're going to have to do a grant, and then that slows you down, and that defeats the whole purpose.

And the only argument that can be made is... holding up the sanitary code and saying, well, we're not, you know, changing siding or roofing, but we're replacing appliances, which will extend the lifetime. And I don't feel I can make that argument in good faith. I also, and I don't like this argument for any CPC, but I was able to find in the last year, half a dozen towns who have done exactly what Stewart says you cannot do. But that's also not, you know, yeah, but that's like other people doing the wrong thing isn't, reason for us to be like, we should break it too.

Because I think, and again, we want to do the right thing because it's the right thing, but because in the past there have been people that are on the lookout to to to gotcha yeah and they did that with funding for religious buildings and they did come to us and they wanted to know how much money we gave and where we gave it and so on and so forth and that was all based on the acting case that that set off a national kind of search uh for people to to to go after those kind of type projects so we want to make sure And that's what we've done with those when we have funded those to make sure that it's clean and that we're not doing anything that is even getting close to what's allowed or what's not allowed.

And also, we've spoken at these meetings before about how for the next three years, the Grafton Housing Authority's capital expense is going to be $90,000 for all three of those years. We've already had to cancel projects, move them back. So I would hate for us to be like, well, this feels good, so let's do it. And then that to hinder a project that's much more within the guidelines down the line that could come through.

Is there any argument that the Affordable Housing Trust could cover this with unrestricted funds?

Maybe, but at the same time, The state has kind of come over... We were going to have to... On the housing authority side, we were doing some... retooling because we were going to think about maybe asking for less because the state just put forward a vacant unit initiative where they are now releasing more funds to localities that are doing these turnovers. So it was like if they're giving us more money, we probably don't need to ask for as much money. And then in the middle of all of that, the email came down. So we're like, oh, well, that's not a problem. So we're getting money from Worcester with their turnover task force that they are now contracting out. We're getting more money from the state. We've got money in our budget. If we had something come across our table that was dire, that would be where we'd reach out and see if there was any availability. Just for... the record as kind of like the last thing on this project. We were able to get in touch with EOHLC to figure out, you know, this is what was said in 2013. It seems that, you know, based on what Stuart said, a lot of people have been using this letter for a long time to justify or, you know, invalidate certain projects. And the response we got was our public housing division does not get involved during a housing authority's application for CPA funds. and that access to these funds is located by each CPA slash CPC. So they're pretty much saying, like, we don't want, like, that gave a very, like, thorough opinion of, like, exactly which type of, like, changes or projects were okay, down to, like, could you replace a cupboard or this or that. Now their opinion seems to be, like, that's your guys' thing.

They don't want to get in the middle of that.

No, hands off completely, which I think is more appropriate. Probably smart. Yeah. We don't think it's. stuck in the middle so I think that will help us going forward and knowing that that's the case but like I said for this specific project where I think Ken's suggestion is a good one to at least ask because they do have funds that were from Pulte that aren't restricted Yeah. So if we again, like if we get a case where, you know, we already have a ton of these vacancy turnovers going in and then bam, two more drop. And it's like, OK, well, we're going to start getting dinged because they can't start working on these ones until they're done working on these ones. Then we could go, you know, get money to go right away because, you know, our regular budget is getting dinged just as much as our capital budget. This we do audit. audits every year but we alternate reporting years so essentially just like you hope that if it's a bad year that's the one that doesn't get released we're getting the one released where we had all of this you know two million dollar national pacific program going on over our head but that of course still dings us for how our properties look and how they're maintained when there are you know trenches dug throughout the entire complex that we can't control so they're going to be more

realistic projects in the future and we'd hate to hinder those it's because i you hear a lot on the news but you don't really know if this trickles down to grafton but it seems like the governor keeps talking about there's they're passing you know millions of dollars for affordable housing or and i'm assuming maybe it's just to build new units not to not for us though

So it is to rehab. The directive for housing authorities, which again is strictly low income for seniors, disabled individuals and families, is maintain what you've got and keep it going as long as you can. There are some towns that have been able to build more, but that's like Boston, Cambridge, and they're able to get CPC funds because they're explicitly building new units and acquiring new units.

It's a crazy rule.

Yeah. So for a town like Grafton, we've got what we've got. We've got 170 units. Our directive from the state is keep those as best you can. And the new money coming in is for building new, affordable units. And even the federal funding that's going to come down – I spoke with – I spoke with our state senator. I haven't spoken to EOHLC about it yet, but I'm sure they're now trying to figure out how municipalities are going to try and access that $200 million. I couldn't tell you right now, but I can tell you for a fact I'm not seeing any of it at Housing Authority.

Okay. Well, thank you for trying. Thank you for considering it. okay back to the agenda um since we have a third of us not here i feel like it's probably we should probably wait to reorganize until the next meeting i think that's i'm comfortable with that okay so wait and we will have an admin to run the show on the computer so hopefully at that point okay um we do not have minutes and hopefully those will be ready to go next time as well um treasurer's report we do have

Okay, so the treasurer's report has been unchanged for several months now since the last town meeting. And so the revenue numbers and the last town meeting numbers haven't changed, of course. The lines that are operative for this coming town meeting are shaded in blue. And they have the three, uh, I put placeholders in there for the three grants that we had in front of us with the withdrawal of the GHA, the GHA grant. We can take that one out. And so if two grants totaling $218,000 in front of us, they like my read of the sense of the committee was that there'll be approved. And so, That's going to leave us with $927,000 available for anything else we want to do. Excellent.

That we're allowed to do.

So that's it.

And I did just add a... there a new one phone call from one of the Slackman because of the concern about the Grafton Inn and was asked about what because that building it's empty and what are the owners going to do with it and how do we make sure that it's not lost for any number of reasons and that the question was is there money available CPC money available and I said yes but It can't be to fix it up. It's been painted, so if there's no real exterior work that needs to be done to be preserved, I don't know what monies would be available. I don't know what would be appropriate.

The only thing that can come into my mind is purchasing it, but I don't want to do that.

I will say, anecdotally, I drove by within the past week, and there was someone outside the side entrance, the side doorway, back that was taking the picture with their camera with their phone camera i don't know what their reason was my point is if they are elected if it could be a prospective buyer they could be listing and adding new pictures it could be just a random person right public that wanted a picture yeah who knows who owns the building now someone in florida it's um well we had this

Explained to us and I can't remember because it's very that the people that own is a public news or whatever It's maybe that's not even the right thing. It's it's a sushi place. Yeah, Lister on Park Ave and that the that owner of that is a Co-owner of the grafted in with somebody who's like a multi-millionaire that I can't remember.

He owns some toilet that's famous from Japan. These guys get assets?

So he doesn't care Supposedly they're still thinking about trying to make it into this sushi restaurant but it's and then the other wrinkle was the wife of the man that owns the Park Avenue sushi place was gonna be the one who managed this and And one of her little boys said when they were driving somewhere, Mom, you're going to be just like me with the new baby? What do you mean? Well, that you're never going to be here. she said at that point you know i'm not going to do this i'm staying home with the kids so they i think by losing the person that was going to manage this this just put this on ice and that it's there's no rush to do it that they have money and the tax bill gets in arrears and then they pay it whenever it gets to a point to where you better pay it or else yeah it was it was bought in 2023 for a million dollars And they're wanting like 1.3 or something. I don't know.

The assessor's office says last year was $1 million.

That's not worth anything at all. I think there are certain aspects of it that are like unworkable. Like the in part of it, I don't know when the last time someone –

would have stayed there is they had people stay it was it's scary though so but you know it's gonna take a lot of money to to bring that back up or if they just had the restaurant in the bar I think that that would be because it was successful you know and it would continue to be successful I think

Knowing that people had stayed in there recently, I think that would hurt any project application because if they were to try to say, oh, we're trying to create or preserve this so that people can actually use it, it's like, well, if they have been using it, then you can't really do that.

But it's a big – probably not, but it just depends.

The other thing to mention, too, if someone asks that is – The CPC can't, on our own, just do something. Someone would have to come and say, I'm on behalf of the Grafton Inn. We want to do this.

I think they put the question out there just to kind of even see if there's an appetite. And it's like, we'll hear anybody's request, whether we can fund it or not, it's a totally different thing.

Like in the case of the Old Town Hall, that was done by Appletree. Yeah.

And wouldn't we need to rope in the historic commission if we wanted to do any type of work to the building?

The district commission, yes. We wouldn't have to rope them in, but whoever applies would be a proponent.

So it's going to sit there for a while.

It sounds like it.

And isn't on the other side of the parking lot, that's where Uncommon Cow is now? Yes. Yeah.

Because they're so active, and that is not.

It's an awkward lot, too, because they have the Grafton Inn lot with the parking lot, and then there's a tiny little cutout. They said there's a little piece that he was going to buy it. Yeah, he did buy it. It's part of the same group, but it's two separate lots.

Right, before we get too far off the field, sorry about that. We have a Treasurer's Report that was presented. Do I have a motion to accept? So moved. Second.

Any discussion?

Lucas, you had said something about if there's a new one.

I'm just saying I'm looking at this and the numbers are different. He has the live version. Live, okay.

Right. So he nixed out the 200K.

Yeah, because I'm like looking at it going like there's 200,000 missing from this. So, yeah, you changed it to 2251. Yeah, because you were saying the Grafton Ready was going to be gone.

right okay so we just second 284 a 248 889 okay okay any other questions all those in favor aye all those opposed motion carried unanimously we have a draft policy that Jack put together for Latin our policy unwritten has been any CPC funds received for project are to be used expended last and so he said he would put together a

a draft and so we have a draft here and if people have comments i mean we don't have to approve anything tonight but we just wanted to get a first start yeah just get a look at it um so i did the the terminology for it threw me off at first too but i did some research and this is the legal terminology for a project like this funds of last resort where you are reserving a certain number of your funds or amount of your funds to be spent last but last resort made me think like, oh, only if you have to, which isn't always the case, but it's the appropriate terminology. I kept up our trend of the little purpose area so it can be at a glance understood and then into the policy numberings that when you get into like the real beat of it. I have already on my version, added a seventh number i don't have the exact language for it yet but just a waiver similar to the waiver based on uh grant-based funding where we have to give them money for them to receive money a similar type of waiver could be granted when outside payments are going to be made in installations so exactly the example of this scoreboard if we give them money in their spending and all of a sudden godette sends another 5,000 or 10,000, they don't have to stop what they're doing with this money and spend that money first before they can go back to it because that's crazy. So we would be able to say at the beginning, we'll waive that. And my only concern with the draft as written is being too coarse and making it too restrictive because I, at least in my time on the board, I haven't remembered us having any issues with something like this. where someone was spending CPC funds before other funds, or we got to the end of the project and they'd spent everything that we'd allotted, but hadn't spent stuff that was given from other locations. So I would hate to be more rigid than we already are without a cause for it.

Yeah. The only two points I think to your waiver idea is we, may simplify it without even a number seven and say something along the lines of if spending CPC funding last is impractical or impossible, the committee may grant a waiver by a majority vote, something along those lines. So we're not being too prescriptive on the reasons, but we're still saying that the – Impractical or impossible kind of an idea. Yeah. Which is, you know, impossible for grants and impracticals at the Gaudet situation.

And I had written here specifically, as to Ken's point, that they don't take money, we give money. I had thought about adding in something where they had to actually showcase like here is the invoice or the statement that says we have spent all of the money gotten from this source. But because they're specifically asking and receiving money from these funds, I think it's – we're not dealing with a lot of bad apples who are going to try and trick us. So if they just say, hey, we're asking for these funds now because we've done this work. We're able to do this work because we spent this money from this source. Once we have a staff, it's a simple interaction.

And I'm guessing normally they don't return funds if they don't use them? Or do they? It automatically comes back to us.

So, yeah, if they get done with the project and you can correct it earlier, there's still $20,000 in there.

So like the scoreboard, they do it, there's $10,000 left over.

We just reabsorb it into our total budget.

So like right now, not right now, like in the next month, that any projects that have been completed, like one of them, it's going to be the Hassell-Massett Bridges project, that that project is substantially, if not totally complete, that any money is left in that account get turned back to the original funding source. So if it came from historic preservation or if it came from open space, it goes to that account, or if it came from any fund, purpose it would go to any project so that we close out we do closeouts you know once they literally close out air all the other books that's kind of will close out these accounts so as part of that process yeah and specific to the scoreboard thing to just kind of say out loud is

If they finish before the extra $10,000 that got out, it's going to be paying them. To my knowledge, we don't have any provision or way to say, now we can take in money as a return from that. So if they spent our entire budget that we allocated, there's no provision for us to claw back anything extra from anyone else.

There is a point in time in writing this where – Because this used to be like 12 things long, and then I weaned it down because I was like, this doesn't make any sense. But there was one at one point where I was like, if they do something like that, should we have a procedure in place to reclaim funds as like a penalty? And then I was like, this is just not going to happen. So I figured I'd present that at least as like, if we think that's possible, should we have a way? But then I'd have to ask, would the state allow us to do that? Is that something in the CPA? It's hard.

We're going to count it.

a town accountant and departments set up to accept money who goes and gets that money what if they say no so those are some of the things i i juggled with um the only other thing that i want to say before we go into this further is that procedure of rolling back in funds once a project's closed out is that already written down somewhere or should that be added into this as well like a close out i think that's part of the law okay i mean that we don't have a lot of choice in that okay so i don't know that we need to would this apply to the affordable housing trust grants so in the fir uh grants i think that because it's not a specific project You're just handing them over funds to put in their bank account.

I think when we looked over the – We would probably have to – I mean, I think we would probably – if we have this, that we would need to when we – The grant agreement. We would have to say – we'd do the waiver.

Yeah. And – One of the other things I thought about was the housing authority things because we're asking for money, but it's being used in place of rent. So would we technically say, well, first, the housing authority has to put a little bit in. But I figure in the first three where it's saying, like, if the CPC is giving you funds, you have to expend from all other sources. And the second point is if the CPA funds are the only funding source for a project, then this policy does not apply. I would say for the Jim Gallagher fund – It's number two. Yeah. Because if all we're giving you is what we have, then obviously we're the first and last thing.

Yeah, we're the only source of funding.

Exactly. And then I do have stipulations in this that if during the project you get funds, then you need to be like, hey, we just got this much for this. We spent it. So that you're not just like saying, hey, we've got CPC funding for this project. come contribute as well. And then just pocketing that money. Yeah, I got it all. So and then I made the waiver simple, it doesn't have to actually be I think waiver might not even be the right term. Because in my mind, that actually implies like a piece of paper.

Yeah, waiver is usually an application of some sort. Yeah.

So the only other comment I have just thought of, and I don't know how we'd want to reflect it in this policy in any way, if at all, but is A project could be something like the column we did recently, but where they also have things they want to fix, that's refurbishment. So we had that separated out. The whole project included refurbishment. They were paying for the refurb from their own budget because CPA funds can't do that part. So they don't necessarily have to. spend the referred money first because that's not part of our project with them.

It might be part of their overall project contract.

That's kind of what I'm just thinking about. I don't know if it makes sense to add it to here in some way.

That's a good point, but I would assume that that would already be prohibited. Just either through common sense or the law where it's like if you're doing refurb with your money and then you're asking for a different part from us that can't cover that refurb, if you try and take that money and spend it on that, that's obviously a no-go.

So I think that that's out of the – I would say if it's not law, you should put it in there.

But then that would get caught by them submitting the invoices to me.

paid so that I mean that that would be the stop I would say yep my main thought on that is we're calling it project but someone's thought what a project is could be bigger than what the CPA my part is funding so so what I you did you have something I was going to say that I was going to say when you were talking about the waiver maybe a better word would be like exemption that's perfect okay the other thing I just thought

That's a great point, but now I might have lost what I was thinking. Sorry. That's fine. Totally fine. Oh, here it is. When I write down project in here, in my mind, what project, like the definition of it is, is anything coming before the CPC for funds. Whether it's a program or a refurb or a renovation or anything that someone's coming before us, I consider that to be a project that they are applying for. Because it's called a project application on the website.

Can we just spell it an application?

Yeah. Or a proposal.

That feels fine to me, too. I just wanted to say that. Yeah, this is good.

And then I also looked at the sunset policy we did, and it looked like... Calling it kept all of the revisions and everything in the final, which I don't know if that's common practice or if it's just like, here's the final, this is what it says. But it didn't look like we had all of us go and sign it. We just voted on it, that was the adoption, and then we put the date on it. So that's how I kept it at the bottom. We won't all sign it, we'll vote on it. So if there's nothing else, I will just note that the only things I've written down here is replace waiver with exemption and add a seventh note that says when said outside funding sources are coming in installations or if spending our money last isn't practical, which this may weave into other ones, then we may grant an exemption. So I think when I come to our next month's meeting, I'll have a reworked version with the notes from tonight.

Okay. That's good. Thank you.

I'm trying to think when I write policies that usually – There's one section where we write where it's like once this one's adopted, it now supersedes all other versions. Usually there's something in writing that stipulates that.

So that is a good point. But the reason we're doing some of these policies and the reason we did the sunset is because they've always been practices like, oh, we just do this. But now we want to make sure that it actually says somewhere. So there isn't anything for this to supersede.

Yeah, but I'm saying maybe future versions, you put in a thing there where it's like this version supersedes based on – I'm trying to remember the verbiage that we use, but it basically states in that sense. That way somebody can't say, well, I have this revision. It's like, yeah, but there's a newer one that this one supersedes that.

That's good to know.

We already discussed the project applications. Now we're gonna move on to the project updates. Amy Berry gave us the update for the town records. That was really nice work that they had done. It's always nice to see some of the neat things that they have in the vault that you rarely get to see. Deacon Abner Stowe is still ongoing. about Angsworth Ingvall Farm Memorial Park project?

The last update that we got from Adam was they were waiting for the sub to pour the concrete pad for the pavilion. And as soon as that's finished, then they'll work on doing a ribbon cutting and assured us that they would invite us to that.

Okay. Do they have any idea of a time frame for that?

Yeah, I don't have anything from them.

Okay.

I'm assuming the weather's ideal for doing that type of work.

And how about the seating that they did? Is that all happy? Where they were kind of keeping it closed because they didn't want people trampling? Is that all the seating that they were doing, is that...

Because if it's finished, I'm not sure. They still have, like, obviously all the barriers up, so I haven't seen back there to see if it's grown any more.

Because I think they were waiting to make sure it didn't get destroyed before it had a chance to take hold. Yeah. Okay. Grafton Housing Authority, Gallagher Rental. We had two more...

Requests for rental assistance and I figured I should explain because Lucas is here. We created a program for rental assistance for documented hardships that can cover a month's rent or first month's rent when moved in. Even after Jim, he'd been on this board forever and the housing authority forever. And I think the total we ended up getting was 10K for a pilot and then 20K for the full thing. We're about halfway through. We have an internal policy at GHA that says once it gets to 5k, then the chairman of the board must bring the project proposal here to add another 20k to it. And I think I said earlier meeting, even though we're pretty steadily working through it, I don't feel comfortable asking for a larger amount than I did last time until I get a bigger sample size. but it's been getting, sadly, it's been getting a little bit more consistent. We hadn't had as many elderly assistants, but recently we've been getting more, and it's really just that first month's rent combo with actually paying your first month's rent, and then even though we don't require last month's or security, wherever you're living does, and then you're moving expenses, so luckily since the project's been

place we haven't had to turn down a single person so that's very good but yep just those two two requests for this month and I don't so I'm sure I mean again make sure because that's the one thing that with the new admin I'm gonna make sure that everything is sent not to the like if it's a town employee not their town email address but the CPC admin because if that person is gone We're getting the emails forwarded, but William's having to check them, and then he sends them to me, and I've only had one. But then there was a big hiccup with I didn't get either one of those project applications. Oh, really? I don't know. Did you guys? Because supposedly everybody's supposed to get them. Whenever somebody applies online, it goes to all of us. And it's like, well, I didn't check my spam, so maybe I want to spam.

There's been a big problem with the spam, some emails. I have an entire board where everything sent by that board goes to spam.

And so your email path would just pamper me. I didn't even know that until I came in today.

And you said, I will say as a extension on this project report, when Amanda, our executive director told us that she had requested it, she didn't raise any red flags as if it had been impeded. Usually when she tells us that it means that the process has already begun.

Because that just to make sure, because again, it's like, if I don't know, I don't know to say, William, did you see or watch out for? Because he's forwarding it to me, and if I don't...

I'm going to see her tomorrow.

I'll touch base and see if she... Because she maybe hasn't even sent it over yet. Yeah. And sometimes I think also she sends him, which it needs to go to CPC, not to the accounting office. Got it. That that kind of then bypasses us. Perfect. And that creates... All right, I can tell. Having to go backwards. Got it.

Cisco Homestead. I haven't reached out to Ray, but I don't remember if I was supposed to specifically.

I actually do reach out to her because she said, hopefully since it's summer, that if people wanted to go see it in the next month or six weeks, that if she's available, I don't know her time frame and availability of other people, that for us to go get a sneak peek.

I'll reach out to her and ask that. Okay. I have sometimes reached out to her, sometimes she just reached out to me. But, yeah, I'll reach out and see what she says.

I just checked. Your email went to spam.

And it was from me personally.

Yeah, it was the meeting agenda. Because my wife asked me. I'm like, I didn't get one. I just happened to go on the website and look at it.

And you know what's funny? It went to my spam too, but I'm so used to going to my spam to put emails into my regular that I don't even clock it anymore. Because I've sent them before.

It's not like you haven't received something from me. So why all of a sudden? Is it because it was sent to nine people?

Every single charter review committee meeting that has ever included that group or a member of that group now goes to my spam. Yeah.

yeah because when you did the quorum check yeah i got that email see because that's like that's what's like i got alert on my phone so i was like oh yeah this other one that you sent it whatever reason it went in this spam yeah no idea either okay now i'll have to make sure i check that just in case congregational church

I think Paul's on that, and I don't know that he had an update that I think there's, as far as I know, but to me, now they're in prime season, and the moderator is out of town. Otherwise, I would have emailed her or texted her. But I know she said a week ago, and I didn't say, oh, by the way, I was thinking food bank, not CPC when I talked to her. So... I will follow up with Sue and have Paul too as well to find out where things stand with that. Because I think they don't want, I think they want to get this done. I was going to say, isn't one of these church projects just like right about done? Not this one. This is that they're waiting because this, they had, One application, and then it turned out that that did not include the steeple, so they had to come back and ask for additional funds. And then whoever that was doing it didn't want to do the steeple, so then they decided... That's why they didn't include it. I mean, that was exactly why they didn't. The group that did the Unitarian Society building work talked to... the people at the Congressional. And so those two contractors are working together on this. So that's kind of, and they're waiting because that was the holdup that the RhinoShield people are in Florida in the winter, in winter's long past. So I don't know what the holdup is at this point. Blackstone Valley Greenway, that's still there's no update for that chance has that but that that hasn't started or they haven't you know applied heard back from their grant who's the rep on that one Jan and you jumped that skip so has Smith's at Woods is substantially complete we paid the last invoices on that within the last week or so And then the Providence Road property, we still, I don't think we're going to do it until the fall or the spring to do a walk, but we need to come up. I don't know what the baseline report, what the status of that is. For the Providence Road property?

As far as I know, Lee Cameron hasn't let it out yet.

I thought... It's not going to be the land trust?

It's expected to be the land trust. But she has to do something official. Because of the way the grant was written, Lee has to say, do it. And she's never done it. She hasn't moved on that.

Can you reach out to her?

Yeah, again.

Okay, yeah. And then we need to continue to come up with names.

Just the Courier and Ives. I skipped that too.

Yes. Skip was here and that's why I skipped it because I have a big checkmark.

I think he said he asked if he could start spending now. And I said yes. And then he said he's going on vacation so he's going to smuggle him away with him.

But I don't think he meant that. I didn't hear that.

What's the... Providence Road property.

We've spent half a million dollars on three parcels in Southcraft and along the Providence.

42 acres. Okay.

Providence Road that the hope is we bought it just because to preserve it that I think the land trust thought this was a good piece of property to have and then also that it includes the the river and or the canal and the blocks on the locks the original locks that were you know installed and 150 years ago and now this is like a piggyback on top of that that the Greenway might go on it from Worcester to Providence they're thinking can they connect from Sutton through graft and using this and so this feasibility is to look at that and is any part of this usable for that to create the trail not to build the trail but to have the trail cut through it right

John, I recall now that two months ago at the meeting, Sandy Brock made a note. She's out of ComCon, and she was going to talk to Lee about it. Okay. But I don't think – it must not have happened. Okay. Sandy was going to ask Lee to get moving on it.

And Sandy's in Florida.

Yeah, and the Lantros is ready, willing, and able to do it, but they need to be asked. Okay. All the other grants that we did were separate, and so the committee asked. Okay.

But also with Sandy's, when I sent this email out, it bounced back to me, and I checked, and it was her work one. So I sent it again to her separately, and it didn't bounce back, and she responded to that. So I don't know what's going on, why. That's interesting how sometimes these things are getting...

Rejected so are you going to know I'll do that make a note to Sandy. Yep.

I will do that Go back to the old-school phone calls to Agendas and stuff, but I don't have a problem texting people.

It's just making trouble your phone number to text. Yeah, I Okay. Other business, the Affordable Housing Trust upstate? Yes.

So RFP that they've been working on with Mass Housing, I forget what that acronym is, MHP, to draft for the three high point properties is with their council for review. The developers that are trying to come into 25 Worcester Street, which is 48 affordable housing units for seniors, has filed an application with the state to obtain a project eligibility letter, which then lets them go for a comprehensive permit with ZBA. The trust is also looking at some public engagement options for that project. You know, it's a very contentious spot. The trust treasurer's worked with a representative from the community preservation coalition to respond to some of the questions about CPA funding flowing through the trust in the past couple years and They should have a review slash approve their annual finance report to us at their next meeting Okay So he talked to Stewart or somebody at the coalition I

The treasurer?

Yes, the trust treasurer.

Tell me, remind me of his name again. The treasurer for the trust. Let's see. I don't know off the top of my head, but I can find it for you. That's okay if you do. It might be Brian. That sounds right, because I think he was at the Selectman's meeting the other night.

Brian Langevin.

That's it.

And he's also on the ZBA, so...

Do you know how big off the top of your head that parcel is?

The 25 Worcester Street? I can see for you. Now we're going to have our second race of the night between me and Justin. It's a little bit... It's weird. It's like deceptively large and smaller than I thought every time I take a look. But...

10 to 15. jack if you press the button for my screen on the plugged in 25 what's this 25 yes it is it says 2.41 acres is that all yeah so they're putting 45 units 48 and it's going to be apartments it does not seem to be mirrored um

So that public meeting you're talking about, were they going to share design concepts?

I don't think they're at that stage yet. I think they're right now looking at ways to go about it. getting public comment. I'm sure that one of those things is going to be a public hearing. I'm sure that the comprehensive permit with the ZBA in and of itself is going to be, there'll be a lot of public engagement at that time. As of the last time this project was discussed, people were very adamant that it become senior housing. So that would lead me to believe that that would still be the hope.

I think that was the restriction when, if it didn't happen originally, that it became a restriction on the property that it's for seniors.

Yes. So I hope that that would mean that now that that's happening, that it's going to go from what it was to enthusiasm, I hope. And also, based on... The unit size, I do believe that this is going to be quite, I think proportionate is the best word, to that lot. Like it isn't going to be sprawling, but it's going to be more of a compact spot. I don't, now I'm speculating at this point, but from what I remember of the proposals and what they showed that they'd want it to be, I think two or three story was the highest they ever talked about. And it was all... It says three. And it was always... The thing that they always stipulated was that the height of the buildings was going to be comparable with the buildings across the street. So it wasn't going to be disproportionate on one side of the road to the other.

Do you think it'll be similar to the housing that's behind Bradish's? Like those buildings?

No.

No, not at all. Oh. Because those are three story too, aren't they?

They're Yeah, three-story, but they're also up on a hill, and they are bigger buildings for multiple units each.

Yeah. I just did some math, and to go based on what they proposed here, they're roughly 13, roughly the thing is 13,400 square feet, which equates to about 280 square feet per unit.

That can't be right. So they've got to be building up a lot. That's an efficiency.

Because it's If it's three stories with 48 units, you're looking at 16 units per floor.

Tiny apartment.

Maybe we're missing a zero somewhere.

Seems like math ain't mathin'.

Because I know this... the neighbors are going to be watching this very carefully. And also everybody that's looking at the center of town, because now this is, somebody said there were four. Now I'm at three huge projects that are multi-unit projects around the common.

The DPW barn is actually down there. They said it's gone.

Yeah, on the other side of the street, that vacant lot. I don't know exactly what day it went down.

I think it was just yesterday or the day before that it came down. Cindy said it was gone. I'm like, oh, I just went by and I didn't notice it.

Well, the barn, you were advocating to keep this lot gone.

When he just said barn, my heart stopped. I was like, can't be. Oh, my God.

No, please don't. They'll be rebuilding it. Okay. CPA project signs. Did I send a picture to everybody? Well, I didn't see one. I'll put it that way. It would in your spam. It would in your spam.

That's because it was so small.

The sign, we do have the sign at the, for whatever reason, I cannot tell you. What do we call that?

Silver Lake Conservation Area. That's a hard one to remember.

Silver Lake Conservation Area, the sign is there. It looks nice. The only thing is it seems to be it's on the smaller side. Because I think it was designed based on another sign that they had made and so you'd make assumptions and you don't Stonebridge Park, that's a But it's it's there it looks good. It's off the road I think that also kind of because it's off the road so that doesn't get mowed down by an errant driver. Yep makes it seem maybe a little smaller because it's not right on top of the road. But you can see it. You can see the sign. It looks nice. So that's done. I'm meeting with Brianna Monday.

I trimmed the scrub.

Oh, good.

Thank you.

I'm going to meet with her Monday to go over the next set because we still have to do one for South Grafton. And then to put up these temporary signs that will be in front of projects as they're...

You're talking about the self-crafted playground one that was stolen?

Yes.

Okay.

So we've got to come up with a sign for that. But I'm going to meet with her Monday. So that is ongoing. And then the Lake Wildwood... I don't know if I told you, you own that now?

I do. I don't think anything happened. It's probably safe to say nothing happened.

Nothing has happened. So it's like I think that we do need to reach out to Uptim and find out what's, if there's anything, because it's been about a year since they've had any communications with me, just to make sure.

Do we have the name of the contact?

I can get that, yeah. Okay. Okay.

So were those town records that were presented to us indicating that that project is complete?

Oh no, that's just an ongoing, they have a fund, you know, a balance so that they come up with, additional work that needs to be done. And then when they run it, it's almost like the Jim Gallagher fund. Whenever they get close to running out, then they apply for more funds. So as long as they have work that they, and they can only do so much at a time so that they're slowly chipping away at, like she said, she just found these things. So as she finds more and more things that need conservation work, then those, um, uh, projects those things are sent to its Green Dragon that doesn't and choose free okay anything else it's legally may come before us second motion to turn all those in favor aye all those opposed motion carried we're adjourned um I will say and I think