Community Preservation Committee - Regular Meeting

[Music] order at 706. Yeah. And we'll start with Ken with the treasures report. Okay. So, the for the second month in a row, there are no changes to the treasures report. Nothing new happened since we uh made the last update. So I'll just verbally uh review the the years this after you at after the end of the first annual meeting. Uh well, we have began the year fiscal 2026 or we will begin the year of fiscal 2026 with 1,3,000 available to make grants from which to make grants and our bond payments have 130,000 uh expense. Uh so far in May we approved $446,700 worth of grants which were accepted and we have an expectation of up to $24,000 in administrative expenses. So that uh through the May town meeting uh well for the first half of 2026 we'll have expenditures of $61,000 from the uh 1.3 millionth. So that leaves us with $718,000 avail grant of funds available to make grants in October. 718,000 or probably pretty good. Still a good amount of change. Oh yeah. And uh again uh that number will increase by probably 100 grand plus or minus when fiscal 2025 closes in July as it always does. So you call in $800,000

that is from closeouts. The close the estimates that are made every May are by for are formul for formulically extremely conservative and so when the actual numbers come in they get uh corrected upward. Okay. And you over the past 5 to 10 years it's been you know it's an average of 100 grand upwards you know and one year was over 200 grand of of goods like fabulous she any questions clearance to entertain a motion move to accept treasures were as presented second a motion and a second with discussion all those in favor all Those opposed motion carried unanimously minutes. We have minutes from April 24. There's a few corrections, few hypos. Um Ken brought up while you under the review of the affordable housing treatment. Uh when we reviewed it, uh we didn't suggest additional changes. We said that there were uh there were there were four anomalies from what it was that we had approved. Uh two of them were clearly typographical errors and two were and two were arguably sensitive. Uh so they went just and so that's what it was. There were two typos and two omissions noted. So as far as the minutes go that's it. And I say titled what I would like to say right now is that I think the version we have now is okay and we'll get to that. Okay. So do I have a motion some accept

the limits as amended as corrected. So move second motion and second further discussion hearing none. All those on favor. All those opposed. Cler motion carried. Okay, here we go. Pull the right along. Now we're back to the agreement. So that window and if you're okay with where we are, then we can vote and put it to best. Uh they fixed the two obvious typos and uh they added the uh phrase uh no less than we the phrase about annually and uh I couldn't yeah I can kind of see the point that uh the attorney made about on the issue of the uh affordable housing restriction and it's really covered two places Uh it's covered in the uh section four I think it was. We're still okay. In section four it says that there will be an affordable housing trust a restriction for uh for property purchases. uh and it cites the uh state office that approves them and it goes through the initiation and uh achievement of the affordable housing right uh restriction there in seven uh he's laughing 11 in 11 it kind of says it kind of says the same things but and it talks about ensuring permanent enforcement

and which is kind of different than establishing the restriction document in the first place because for example with the um property on Upton Street, what's the name of that uh the big place that they're doing across from the firehouse? 1727 Upton 1727. What's the name of the company that's doing it? Chance GSX. Yeah, GXX. GX. Uh the agreement with GXX includes a uh a substantive phrase in that agreement where it says that they uh will or at least somebody will contract permanently contract with a third party organization that will annually check to make sure it's being that the restriction is being met which goes to the to the subject of enforcing the restriction. And I was thinking of and I thought that the section 11 is the only place that uses ensure the permanent enforcement and I was thinking that you know it it sounds like it's talking about that in in section 11 and so uh it it yeah it doesn't need the end there because uh it is saying they obtain the approvals for the agreement that's in section four. So that doesn't need to be handled here. And so you could just have section 11 talk about as it does the enforcement of it. And so I'm satisfied. Okay. Because so do I have a motion to accept the right agreement as presented. So second it motion second. Any special? So I think this agreement is as clean as any so any any of these agreements ever get. You guys work long and hard with precinly because of our key. That's a good way to turn this little Don't let the parent get in the way of

the good. All those in favor. All those opposed motion carries. Congratulation to all of us. Yeah. Now we never let it. applic needs to be signed, right? That needs to be signed. You have another give it to me here. Well, it's done. There needs to be a signable copy though. It says it doesn't say draft. It needs to be a signable copy signed and that doesn't need to be since we've approved it now. It's going to be signed offline. Okay. All right. So, it's both cheers. if you want to um notify stamper and let her know um we're ready to sign it. So if there's cuz they're not even like a signature back but it says yeah if it's in draft I could do it and they can just stay um resigning in a minute. Is there a new chair to me? As far as I know, he has not resigned, but I don't think he's seeking reappointment is what I saw on Okay, so let Amber know and then she could just put it in the mailbox and then I can just pop over. Okay. Then sign FSA thing with trust at your next meeting, you know. So it'll be wherever you want it to be. I can just leave it with Amber in person, right? Of course. But then it's Where do these agreements get kept in the town on the internet? I don't know. Oh, great. But honestly, that's probably the best place for it is on the town website. So has to copy it there. But we could there needs to be But you could put this once it's all executed. You could scan it, put it on our website and then they'll put it on the server as well. So it's that's a safe place. It needs to be kept in town

record. So if someone needs to go get one someday, they can, right? But the town website is the fastest way for them anybody. Yes. Yes, that is and I don't know if that's the town, but they're going to throw away original copies. I appreciate it. Throw them away. Check and erase. Does the town clerk keep things like this? Does any I have no idea what kind of things? Definitely. Yeah, this might be something that run it past the town clerk as well. Well, so I would assume it would be Westwood like the original, right? So, but there's no like office of affordable housing or office of preservation or there's so I'm not sure. But if if this were not, you know, if this were within the town and some third, you know, some independent organization, the original would be kept dearly, I would imagine. And this is a little less dear because it's within the town. Yeah. Except that the trust is really quasi independent, isn't it? There's something there's some weird status. It's something like that. Yeah. But the point is the grant agreement will be available to anybody who wants to review it. It'll live on the town website once it's signed and then the original document when Ken wants to look at it again. We will make sure he has properly lost by some official person who's in charge of I know and get in the rain. We can all sign in take a picture with it. Okay, good. Tony um town meeting all of our board articles pass. Um there were a couple of uh articles that people did have questions about maybe one was the funding for the congregational church and a woman asked had we funded any

non-Christian organizations and I mistakenly said no and she correct somebody else corrected me to say we had because the Unitarian Universalist society is not a church and it's not critician. So now we can say if we have anybody else asking yes we has including non-Christian and Christian organizations and so it's where have update on that and then another question that was raised after the town meeting to mean even though we had a discussion at town meeting about about affordable housing funds that not all the anybody could apply for affordable housing trust uh affordable housing funds from CP PA. It's just that we give them to the trust to spend on their projects, but like Jack said, we've given money to the um housing authority and that's not the trust and that does affordable housing. I think you handled it well at town meet and you got up there and you explained the reasoning why we do it this way so that the funds are accessible when something comes up and we don't have to wait till town meeting we don't miss any opportunities and and all these alternative like we look into other towns like warts and they do a similar thing and it's so that the money is readily accessible and because of the fact that the real estate is equipped and town meeting or town process can be very slow and so you could miss an opportunity and I think that was our goal was not to have an opportunity missed especially given there probably not going to be a whole lot of opportunities. So you want to have that money available to spend when that opportunity arises and not wait for armed bureaucratic mechanisms to get caught and plus you had an example of the alternative in ter update with what

happened with the wolf. Um, yes. I sent an email with Joanne had the actual the more recet fly in it was done in Katana or something like that some other name that's a software. Yeah. among that's for me that's I'm part of being like okay butler that so she sent it to me and I forwarded it to Ken and Jack but I didn't hear back until it was too late and I said it's too late to make any changes because it was Thursday and the meeting was mine it was so it was the same format but text top to bottom on every page it was a loss so it was it was like if this is all we have to work with we have to start round up don't have access to any of the stuff from that. Great. Can we just start that now so we're ready for October because I think it would be super nice to have these in. Yeah. And just like explaining because I think some of those questions were um could have been easily answered with something like and I can send Joann's I mean is that helpful or not? or you wait till next meeting to have a hard copy of well if we're going to start from the ground up we can just understand but to to see it's not this it is it's very it's a much nicer flyer so why do we have to start from the ground up I don't because the version that we have access to edit is not that one it is a version with I think one photo and then top to bottom text small font on every single page and so it has none of the features that we liked about and no access to like is that Joe's? No. No. Can we not get Jo-Ann's? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We can, but to make it that it would be start over, which is fine now to get it made before last time meeting was a mountain, but let's get Joann's version so that we

have all of the versions, right? And then you can see what you want and then that gets to the best and then send it. So, I'll send that to you. Me one time. Q. Well, the thing is with Kent, she had it because she works for nonprofits and I said I could do it because I volunteer with nonprofit that I can and you don't have to pay a licensing fee. So, I don't have this tonight and we could have a new version, right? I don't want to use Canada. No, but um yeah, it is a nice thing to have. Totally. Yeah, just giving him a pretty brief eful review of what we're going to learn. And maybe we have one section that we kind of leave um as a floater. So like we could have something topical fill in. I I have written down on like my notes of what to have and some of the things I think are important to have because we'll be doing it yearly is the previous year's approved and then what's ongoing. So they can look and see like, oh, I heard that we had just finished the come. I heard that they had just given money to this park. You can see like, oh, this is how they took the rental assistance for will always be up. And I wrote it can help maybe even advertise. We didn't know that was available. I wrote also to have a greatest hits section to show off some like some of our biggest projects, library, rental assist. Yeah. Oh, you see. So, I'm just sending it to Beth. If you want to send it to everybody, you should have it too early. Okay. All right. But it was a list for not. Uh, I thought everybody took him there. There were no less. Oh, they did. That's what it was. They were always you didn't say that say you want back to I forgot I

did um project updates parking so um I did talk to um I'm not sure you blame Kamy Kamy thank you um she's still getting acclimated and I gave her a lot of details so she is going to be talking to the gentleman that still works I believe his name Paul is already like that was it. So anyway, um she wanted to get in to the vault and look around and but she'll be back in touch with us. I I didn't I had that conversation right after our last meeting. Did you talk to her at all about historic documents versus I told her that yeah part of the concern we have is that you know it seems like most of the truly historical documents have been done and um we have some question as to whether or not these funds could be used on documents that I consider here historical that they're more recent. So, but she's going to take an inventory back at the hotel followup with her again before next. Thank you. So, I went out and took more photographs of the headstones. I talked to the guy I talked to the cemetery guy in Chadam. He gave me the guy's name that his name's John Fu Fier and he talked about what could be done. and he talked about a product called D2 that treats lychans. He talked about consolidation. So I've sent him the photographs and I asked him if he could give me an estimate of what potentially needs to be done, what it would cost, and the time frame she was with. It's really hard to read something that I

told you that um that little contraption Rich had made has fallen over. So I it's they cuz when I just when I went I think um I don't know what it was recently that they put the flags out again that somebody had taken it off because there's some laughter with the flag by that stone. No. So, I just left that off. See, I didn't put it back a hosey. So, it's still sitting there doing just cuz I thought it's kind of caddyywampus. I'm like, what's going on with this? And it's because they'd removed it to put that u I don't know if it's G or you know, whatever little gloss. I think it was blown off because there was no market there before. It was lying on its side kind of a skew. It didn't look like somebody had taken it off when we had a lot of windy days. Doesn't take much when I had it stayed in and stuff, but it's been a while since he put that thing in. I don't think we the last. So hopefully at the next meeting I'll have definitive answer for pricing and timing for him. Um 95 street I did when you talked to did Kristen said anything about that guys um you could see see that they have been doing some work their equipment but I don't know if that equipment is because they're putting the sidewalk in and they're just using it as kind of a parking staging area for the North Street parking lot sidewalk. So I don't know that they really started but it seems like they were going out to bid. That was the last report she gave us. Affordable housing trust. Sorry, Crafts and

affordable housing. Um, rental assistance. Yes. Yep. The housing authority we got, we received payment for four families, I believe, that otherwise wouldn't have been able to move in because they were in shelters and didn't have enough for the first months. So, all four of them we have their payments. Um, I'm not I don't know if they're fully fully moved in, but that's kind of the point. Handle the mic work. Um, we have a lot of moveins. This is all from our executive director. We have a lot of moveins over the next couple of months. So, we may be requesting more payments from that fund. And I'm going to next week, that was all for the actual funds part. Next week, I'm gonna be reaching out to Representative Meridian and some of our connections at EOHLC to make the policy state recognized because as of right now, it's just kind of like our little town policy, but the state has a pretty through uh situation for getting policy state recognized. This way, once it's actually on the books for our annual report, any town could just copy and paste the language, bring it to their CPC, bring it to town meeting, and replicate it for that town. self. Can I have you talked to uh the coalition at all? Sometimes they can put a template up and make it available into the other CC's the CBC. Uh not yet because I want to the I want to get it through with our um with this EOHLC for us so we can have it state recognized. But I am also want to take up uh Stuart sitting right. Yep. I wanted to see cuz I have his email from our correspondence because I spoke to him about it at like an open house or something. I didn't like So that's another person I had to get in contact with the CPC cuz if for some reason it's a good point cuz if the states like no we don't really do stuff like this like that's your own little policy that I can go CPC route say CPCs can start telling their own housing authorities about this. or you get the coalition to join

you to help with the state initiative and then that add that's even more energy towards it. I definitely probably want to give it another look through because our uh language is very firm about how to receive funds from the CPC. The CPC is the most protected in it, but I think the language on how the funds are used from an executive director standpoint could be a bit more thorough. we didn't have to be as extremely thorough because I know our executive director and I know how they'll use them and I trust them and we all trust them. But I can imagine there might be some housing authorities around the state that may be a bit more hesitant to enforce it, not because they don't want the money, but because they don't know how it's going to be used by their own directors. So that might be a uh another thing we do. Other than that, no date. The Cisco Homestead Justin email that he wasn't going to be here tonight, but he did send an update that um and we had some correspondents. They wanted to buy a storage unit for the things that were in the homestead while they were doing construction. And they wanted to buy it the next day. And I'm like concerned that looking at the Warren article that that does not have that language. And um if and it's that the NEMA tribe was going to buy it, not the contractor. If it had been the contractor, that would have been an easy part of that's your contract. Buy it versus renting. Well, but and renting would cost more. And that was the whole thing. But the bottom line was if the language doesn't include it, we can't even if it's a good idea or makes sense, we can't broad. And so it turned out by the time I I responded that night, then the next day, she said the tribe just went ahead and bought the

storage unit. So that took that issue off the table because I said that would be my concern. um that it's technically not part of that was not part of the estimate. It was not part of the grant. So um but they are now taking things out to he was saying trying to get rid of and um Kitty sounds like they are in the process of getting ready to do the work. So they are moving ahead. Paul, which one? Congo church. So um I have April and May updates. Um they started construction in April 47 and 48. Um following the standard notification period or last TP which is apparently 10 days. Um they did some partial demo to uh so you're talking about oh you said congregational. I'm sorry. I was say how do they start that they're a holding till down meeting there's no update other than they're fun to get them congregational church and I haven't heard back from them but I'm sure they're working to get them started I did get a nice note today in the mail saying thank you for supporting this project and shephering it through town meaning so they are very appreciative of that so now we have a unitarian society so like I said they started um construction 47 and um they opened up uh between the first and the second floor and they did find a couple obstructions um which they were a little worried about but they were able to work around those. A couple of no big deal. One was a uh where is it? Um a vertical rod that appeared to be supplementary um within one wall and then a wind brace that was not viewable before um doing this larger

demolition. Um both were minor and um they were able to work around. Um they do have an issue with plumbing. Apparently the way the plumbing is set up um you can't shut off like sections of it. You have to shut it all out and there is some piping they have to move and um by doing that um it opens it up to needing to come up to code. Um so there is going to take some work on that. They're hoping that um we will agree with them that um it should be covered because the only reason it's happening is because they've opened it up to put this this lift in and cells on which makes complete sense to me. Um well like that just goes to John's point there. Like the only reason they needed a rental unit is because of the work they were doing. They needed to put the stuff somewhere. So is it if it's the contractor that's doing it or if it's the church that's doing it? I think that was the way that I looked at the nipmunks. It's the nipmunks are wanting to do this and then have it then submit the bill to be paid. If this is part of whatever the contractor is doing to say for us to put in this lift, we're going to have to move these pipes. Yeah, that's to me that does fit in. It's like painting. You know, we're not going to paint the building. You're ripping off boards. You're replacing wood and then you have to paint to get it back to the way it was. So, is it just bringing up to code in this one area? Cuz you just said it was all connectors. So, are we bringing the whole? You just said they can't shut down one area, but it's just in one area. No, but you were talking about the code that if if whatever if they need to move pipes or that to me that falls within the scope of the footprint of this project. But if this triggers like a lot of them 50 whatever it is 25% and then you have to do the

whole building that's what I'm yeah we we will pay what what is allowable to be reimbured is anything that is impacted by that um elevator shaft but not down the hall and around the corner and upstairs downstairs or anywhere else. They didn't fully know at the time this was written and the update that Yether made didn't um uh really cover this. I'm going to read you exactly what else got here. The plumber is looking at the building system. It is essentially one old-fashioned plumbing system without a means to isolate areas of the building. So, plumbing work to relocate existing pipes will mean shutting down the entire building, including wheat. We are expecting there may be a plumbing change order in May since there is some unanticipated work that will occur including potentially some work to make the plumbing system code compliant. We believe this work is directly related to the project as it would not be occurring otherwise. I'll be working with the general contractor and plumber to ensure that when required work is done there will not be any nice to have the scope added. And again, he's he didn't give me the full report, but he's he sent me an email, which I'll switch to in a minute. Um, but it didn't mention the plumbing. So, I can follow up with him on that to find out where they stand with it because this thing was written at the end of April. So, you know, it's probably not about this one. So, I'll find out. Um, just said Norm Hill has been there and reviewed the work a couple of times. Um cuz then um for May, so um it's gone well in May. The framing for the shaft was completed um and accepted by the lift manufacturer. So they moved it to the fabrication point for the lift. Um they originally said the fabrication

was going to be a 6 to8 m long process. So, they're they're hoping it'll go faster, but that's what they uh we're told. Obviously, he did say something. Electrical and plumbing rough is done and the GC has been coordinating with the alarm company, but he didn't really go into enough detail. So, I'll get the plumbing update. It says we'll get an inspection from the town and then we went to finishes. All of this and more will be in the May report in about 3 weeks up. Um yeah, like do they have enough money for this? Like I guess that's my concern is if they didn't have any like will their contingency kind of cover that like that sounds like expensive. I guess I have no idea on amount he has a specified um I can follow up with him to ask and I'm sure he'll include it in the main official report and I get it. That was just a big at least caution to make sure to say to share the conversation that we had that whatever the plumbing is it needs to be limited to where the Olympic shaft is and you know if they need to shut off valve to shut that off that's legitimate but not to re to upgrade to that meat code I think they just basically say if there's a bills up if they if they encourage their debt and there's a bill and I see it and I'm like cuz that they might not be happy. So make sure they're not incurring expenses that cannot be reimbursed and that the share that they're paying that they have enough money to pay for them. It also makes me a little nervous that they just went forward with it. They just decided that they think it covers it without us talking about it first, which I'm sure it will. He literally just sent this record to me like within the last two days. So Right. But he said they move forward with it that they've done the rough plumbing, right? I guess he's not talking I assume from his note that he's

talking about the plumbing right in that location. He's not talking about anything broader than that or I think he would have specified but I will clarify that. Okay. Cuz I just don't want them to been through these multiple. So Andy the Sh is working on this. Yes. Okay. Yeah, he is. I thought he was the Congo. I didn't know he was No, he's doing both. Yeah. I think the kind of list was him or any part they both could you forward those emails to best so they're part of the record now since you read them out thank you uh baseline reports for 179 183 upd on the ground work has been done and data and and the photographs have been uh taken and now it's a matter of getting the report together. And you recall that the uh previous report was like 80 pages long and so but this one will be almost this one will be almost identical. But is it like most of that many of the pages will be Yeah. Most of those pages will be the same because the properties are right next to each other and they are the same. Yeah. So all the background data will just carrying from one to the other. Uh are we reading that? Uh, it was passed around at a prior meeting and I don't think anybody read it. Not in the meeting. Not Not every page anyway. Oh, before you go to bed. Yeah, exactly. It's night time reading. They got old things to eat. We have a lot of nice pictures. Anyway, the uh I uh would It's a beautiful piece of property. It's right on the lake and many times in different times of the year, it's just gorgeous. So, is this one of the better pieces of that collection of property? most scenic ones because it looks out over Moro Lake and it there's two working beaver dams on the on the on the Miscoco brook that comes through there and they're pretty

pretty nice. So, it's really pretty nice. If you want to go take a walk, you park uh you know along the side of the lake there where the wide spot is. Yep. And you just walk a little bit past you know a little bit to the north and that's it. And it's really pretty nice. The uh the only the only thing about it is that there's a lot of road trash along right along the road. Yeah. People that's road litter, you know, and uh and I we're trying to get some, you know, some uh group to come with a bunch of people doing want to do something good and just pick up all that litter. That would be nice. And there's a little bit of uh Watson uh on the shoreline that get you know leaves the beach and gets blown across the lake and goes ashore there on this piece of the property. So there's a few inflatable you reminisce of inflatables. Oh, but other than that it's the propertyy's in good shape. It's beautiful. And one thing that uh we discovered that no one knew about is that there is a critter tunnel under Route 140. Oh, a concrete tunnel like there is in the Brook metal village. Oh, intentional. Yeah. Oh, that's fun. Like in the Brook Meadow Village when they put the road in, they put a deer, you know, a tunnel for animals as large as deer to get underneath the road. Oh, is that how they pick up? There is one of those on that property to go under the road from the big enough deer and people. It's just, you know, big enough for deer to go through and pictures of that will be in this report. I want to see that. Yeah, me too. Yeah, they I do believe to be a trip get the trash over there. But it's a nice property and it's really valuable and the town should do something with it. It has a trail on it that begins a trail that goes around the the lake and the trail needs maintenance, but it is there. That's cool. Although it's hide-and-seek spot,

but the the the tunnel is a small tunnel, not a deer tunnel. Uh it's or it is a deer tunnel. Get through it. Oh, it could be that could be your black person can name it. Name rates. I love it. Yeah, it's there. Uh, oh, there it is. Oh, yeah. They could tell. Oh, that's cool. That down into the book. So, from turtles to deer. That's Anyway, that's it. It's It's Does that need to be like maintenance? Like if Cos maintenance free. Oh, it's maintenance. Wouldn't try to dam it up. It's not There's no water. It's It's from like field to field part of when they built the road, they obtain 40. I got to go find this set and I'm going to go look. You go think that flash like threw you through it. Snakes like you have bad snakes here. No, we have good is no such thing. It's spiders. I can't see the snakes all day long. Not like spiders, but it's and you can even see the other position and and and big enough for someone to walk through. I guess so. No, you got to crawl. Is that what you mean? He just put an idea on that. See, it is. That's cool. Oh, yeah. That's smart. That's right. Yeah. And so that was built by the uh the state when they built the road. So fantastic. To reach out to grab to high school students when they do their community service. They'd be a good group to clean up the trash. Yeah. Excellent. It would not take very long, but but it'd be a big improvement. Yeah. No, that I don't I hate that.

Yeah. A lot of those groups I go out and do like trash days. They send like 20 people and they're out there. go. Yeah. So, did they do that spray clean up? Yeah, they did. I went and um helped clean up a retention wall for um behind the Fisherville mill. Somebody posted they were upset about all the construction trash. So, I went out there and we cleaned it all up and found a $100 bill while we were doing it. So, that's like immediate $100 bill. Somebody fired. It was awesome. Yeah, this would be a good thing to look into for the other properties we have cuz I know a lot of like the worst trash pileups are those like I'm not even sure what the actual term for the waterways, but those like very thin waterways that kind of build in between two plateauing fields and there's a lot of wildlife that grows them and there's a lot of wildlife in it and the trash just kind of from the wind all collects in there. So those would be good spots around them. So, he was I love that we did not include this as part of the purchase of this property, Ken. Oh, yeah. And this does. Should there not be a sign on 140? Oh, yes. That names this that we give it a name. It has a name. It says Silver Lake Conservation and then saying fund it by. Absolutely. We we the the committee put a lot of money into that. It's over a million dollars between the three parcels. Do you want like a big sign or you want like a highway sign? It's like the signs that we've done for all the CPC projects. Yes. Even the town has adopted that because all the town signs are grant post and wooden now too. Recreation signs are all that way. All the signs are the now have adopted the CPC standard. So, but yeah absolutely do that. Is it Have you been the one that negotiated with um Sunshine or I not I don't recall if I ever did it personally in the comment

it's but uh they know what the signs are made Sunshine Sonic has made a dozen of signs to town. Yeah, I kind of like that as I can. Yeah, so massive but basically I remember while you're operating instead of another. So what do you call signs everywhere. Did we all just discuss? No, I just we'll just move forward. Okay. I spec basically it's all a beacon inflated by committee present. Can we can we make a suggestion? So on the common the sign is on a rock with a plaque and something kind of a nature area a rock with a plaque seems like it would fit nicely in that area versus a sign with you know what I mean like cuz I think that would driveby kind of advertise whereas I see it if there are trail if if there's a trail I don't have a problem with that even having like on the common where it explains what this is or it's part of the if someone is walking but it's it's they're two different kinds of signs that. So, so there's a sign on Equal Landing. The sign on uh the Fischerville Park. Yep. The Fisherville sign. It's on the It's right on the road where the Fisherville is in the back. Those are signs. I feel like this feels very less touched by I'm just thinking when you're driving by on 140 and flying by, if it's on a rock, nobody's going to see that. That's okay. And so I want people to know we spent a million dollars of your tax dollars. Yeah. Like a million. Is that the trail head right there? Pardon? Is that the trail head? That piece of There is a spot where a trail starts. There used to be right where the no trespassing sign was when the Robinson put up there. You're welcome. It was identifying starting by the bail will be

shot. It's the sign that one that gets ignored cuz I don't have a problem with having two sides and we can get the we got the granite from Fisherville mill site. Yeah, that he gave us a challenging mounting the plaque onto it because it's not perfectly healing. Then some of us like the way it was done. It kind of stands proud. Some people wanted it flush where you would have to carve in to make it. I don't think it needs to be that intricate. I think it needs to be more rustic like wilderness sort of is. You know what I mean? But it's to me it's like if they're going to do trails or something. I don't know if that's the time to do the site. If you want to do one now, if you want to do both, most of the properties one have a sign of CPC signs of a particular style that will last you 50 years. Well, there you go. Wrong. And it has to except that as uh as John is saying, this needs to be a sign that you can see when you're driving riding by. Yep. And so it's got it's they've got grant posts and a big wooden sign that's got relief cut into it. So it's not just paint. And they do this. The one on Equal Landing was there since 2002. I think that looks pretty good. It does. So they all look like that. And the the committee has made probably 10 of them in different places. And other parts of the town are now using the same style. They used to have when you entered the town, you get those green signs with the green plastic posts that look so cheesy. If you look now, some of those are grand cuz the town's done replace them with those signs because they look better and they last they'll last long. They last 50 years. They look way better. I'm saying. So, and this is I'm happy to talk to them. I mean, this is to me so simple, but to think the end of the fiscal year is June 30th, and I would

love to get this in our admin budget for this year. Oh, yeah. So, what's the process for us for the committee to do that? That I would go to Sunshine Sign, get a bid, get information, I could send it out before the meeting, and then we could come and vote on it at the next meeting. Usually, usually it'll have the name and it has some kind of an icon like a a motif motif motif like the swan like one got a swan. Uh the one with the field is some sports things and it's but basically an icon and well you could do a beaver or a turtle. A beaver or triple. Excellent. No. Yes. Good ideas because they must have turtles in Oh, no. There's turtles in there. Okay. Maybe a total animator. It would be awesome. That'd be great. Where did the nbl come from? Where did the ekla come from? Somebody's there was there used to be a fruit stand. There used to be an eco fruit stand. I just fer was the guy's name. Anybody here was probably cross and at one time they called it the t- or am I not the on the other side of the river? The other side of the river was a T-R that that's the foundation's still there and that's on land trust. So will this be the Robinson Landon? If you look out this land trust if you look on the land trust website it has stuff about the T- room um that you spoke of. Okay. Now um it's just enough. That's fine. Now for the national sorry sorry Mary the warrior sent a note about the last time you get death 25 invoices in public right it's usually

but I will people are in favor of haven't signed for this property yet so I Bye. Okay. So, we and this doesn't include doing another sign or that's more pedestrian friendly um for the actual trail a plug that would be on a granite rock or stalk or whatever. Yeah. And to me with more of the history or more information where people can actually learn something before they maybe suggest the trail committee they fix up the trail. I didn't think they were supposed to do that. That was the whole point of the trophy is that they wouldn't do maintenance and that was kind of like that's that's a good idea. Yeah. They're like stupid. We're done here. Not like an intermediary. I guess the group but I think maintenance makes total sense for that. They had sense to go as far as giving them a budget to do it. Well, it doesn't really cost. It's just it doesn't cost anything to do maintenance. So do the laborers and if the laborers volunteer free volunteers then you don't need money. No it's just the same people volunteer. Yeah. Okay. So I will reach out to sunshine sign try to get some information there should be a way to get stipens. Oh like to his point it's really just like and then unless they need to do like the bridges. was I was saying cuz I like for housing authority we get sightings cuz they're like you're working for our our department for an hour a month or nothing. like okay but from the trails for maintenance there should be a way to get told don't I that and that might already be someone's job in conservation that goes out and does that

okay the bottom don't throw your trash out your window here well yeah they can just get a big the little trash thing and maybe sitting too yes yeah but then they think because it's a big hill on one side they can just using it so down This is from this window CPA project. This is another look it's like one of these pieces in here. In fact, they go all the way up. I'm going to slow to here and stack. Send over to here. All done. Come here. Mr. Steven's here. Next nice day. I'll take a walk. I um talked to or emailed with they don't have staff members, which was kind of what created a hurdle, but I found the chairman of the Haritch Community Preservation Committee and asked and said, you know, I really think their signage is wonderful. It helps spreading the word blah blah blah. So he said, "Um, we don't do that. We have a volunteer on our committee that does it that works with the IT team." I think he was talking about the website. So I said, "No, I mean the actual signs that are in front of your properties that are being funded through." She says, "Oh, you need to talk to the lady at the library." So you can Holy Norwich. What's So I've called her and left her called her today and it's didn't get a call back. So, I'm hoping because I said such as the sign at the library that that's what he meant that she paid for it. I don't know because it wasn't just a library or multiple ones in it on Main

Street. So, um who was it that you talked to? The chairman of the Harwood CPC, but he said I need to talk to the library director. Yeah, I've heard that. Doesn't make much sense. It's because the sign was and I don't know I can get if he's do they have an ad they go that's the thing that he's he said it's we're all volunteer okay cuz that's when he was going on about you know this email about the website he said well we have a volunteer on CPC that works with their IT team and that's how we put it together let me start over so um I will uh keep pursuing the librarian and then they actually have a assistant director. So if I can't get it back, I work see if I have any luck with that or even just the town administr you could I mean I just you just don't know cuz you just don't know what you don't know. So that's that. But at least I made a little progress. And then like Wildwood same same old same old no update. self move to return. Second motion. All those in favor. And if it was clos 758