City Council - Regular Meeting

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Like to call the work session to order for May 11, 2026. Uh, city clerk, please read roll call. Let the record reflect that. I mayor Hampton is ab absent with all other members present. Thank you. Uh I have two items on the agenda. Like to remind council that staff will be pausing every so often to answer any questions. Uh first item is a strategic plan project on the comprehensive water strategy. Go ahead and introduce yourself for the public.

Thank you Mayor uh Keudson interim city manager. Um good evening. Uh we want to talk a little bit about the fiscal year 2026 strategic plan project focused on the development of a comprehensive water strategy. Before I turn the item over to in the presentation over to interim deputy city manager Barb Chapel, I wanted to provide some context to our conversation on this topic tonight. First, it is it is important to know that the topic of water conservation is not new to the city. It has been something we have been engaged in for a number of years. But secondly, it is also a topic that is dynamic, constantly changing and evolving. And so we always need to be looking beyond the horizon and thinking about our future. And this topic is also multiaceted in that we have water conservation in uh efforts that may impact the areas of the city that we serve water to and we have areas of the city that are served by private water providers and then we also have our city organization um how we use and uh water um in the operation of the city. So the presentation tonight that Barb's going to take you through is twofold. The first part is a review kind of an oversee over uh view and synopsis of what we have done what we are doing and what we are working on uh implementing. This part of the presentation is to provide context that we aren't at square one that this isn't new to us. City staff have worked with our citizen citizen committees and with our council on a range of water conservation efforts. But of course this work is never truly done. So the second part of the presentation is focused in our future what we can do. This is the part of the conversation tonight where we would appreciate dialogue and feedback from council to help guide and focus the future work of staff on pursuing potential new water conservation strategies. Of course, we know this is a lot to take in. So, we understand this conversation with council will likely extend beyond this evening. So, we are prepared for that as well. So, without further ado, I'll turn it over to Barb.

Thank you, Key. Barbara Chapel, interim deputy city manager. Um, and as Kitty said, I'm here to present our water strategy moving forward. So, tonight I want to go over um the strategic plan action item, our process, some framework, and the highlights of our strategies. And and I like to call this our water management strategies. We're not going to just discuss conservation today. I want to discuss kind of how we we manage water as a city. And um a lot of this effort has resulted in a document that was also part of your packet. So um you have that that information and certainly any of those items in that information are open to discuss tonight as well if you have something in particular you would like to bring up that I have might not cover in my PowerPoint. Um so the strategic plan action item is very comprehensive and this is how it's stated in the plan and um so to develop a citywide strategy. So as Kenny stated, we didn't just look at the city service area. We tried to look at um the city as a whole. We also wanted to look at um how we plan for water and infrastructure and how we develop the guidelines and processes that developers follow. So it it was a very comprehensive look. So um moving forward the process that we went through was first of all collaborating with all of the multiple city departments that we work with when we manage water. So that that's includes the city manager's office, our public works department, water services, that's probably the given um digital communications, the fire department, and then of course parks and recreation. We also um had some meetings with the private providers within our city

service area, our city's limits, specifically Liberty and EPCO, the two largest providers in the city. So then we um decided to look at how our framework, how would we document this that would be a more easier way to understand and follow through the document. And so we decided to break this up into the four main points that were in the strategic plan item. So infrastructure planning, our water use and conservation, development guidelines and process and then water resource planning. So um within the document those are the different uh criteria or categories that items are split into and then further we split them up temporally by things we've already done things we're doing things we will do and then of course the what we can do and some of that more visionary and future look as we move through forward. We also again we looked at the city as a whole. So across any um water service provider boundary but city as a whole. We also looked at the city service area. We looked um and worked with those third-party companies and also internally at the way the city our facilities parks how we use water as as a customer. And so, um, I'd like to highlight now moving forward some of the items and things that we've done. So, in line with our mission or our culture statement, we'd like to celebrate our wins. Um, so we'd like to look back a little bit on some of the past and in 2018, the city had established a water conservation committee.

Um actually council member Kano was a member of that committee before before becoming a council member. Um at that time the committee identified several uh strategies and conservation programs for us to move forward with and some of those highlights were our residential programs of smart controllers, the low water use showerheads and we implemented home irrigation audits. And these are all geared towards our single family residential customers and ways that we could help them conserve water in their homes. We also looked at our non-residential programs. And I don't want to confuse this with not our residents period because many of our non-residential programs are still geared towards our homeowners associations. So they still are very impactful and they help those residents. So things like our turf reduction and then we also have our commercial and industrial um customers. We implemented consultations with them. Um but our program in this sign in this picture you see here is just one of the ways that we highlight those um partnerships with HOAs when they're implementing some of our um water efficient tools and strategies. Um we've also implemented this water waste and reporting. So um we initially started it with a reporting and and in a way for us to follow up and we've since implemented this through our Goodyear 311. So we're utilizing that new tool to help us handle these um water waste and reports. And then I wanted to um show some of the statistics. And then what you'll see in front of you is an updated infographic of some of our statistics up through

current um of some of the savings that those programs have resulted and they so they are very successful programs. We're seeing the the results of our efforts and so many of these items are ongoing. We're not just going to stop offering these programs. But what we also want to do is continue to expand, find ways to get even better. So what we're doing, so while the majority of those projects, like I had mentioned, we're we're going to continue to manage and move forward. We also now have a citizen water advisory committee that's not solely set, you know, their their mission isn't solely to help provide conservation programs and input. Um, and we did use them mostly over the last couple years to help with our rate development, but now that that's done, we have a four-year rate adopted. We really are um working with this team of residents to work through some new ideas. What's next for us um whether it's water augmentation projects um how we plan for infrastructure development guideline all those sorts of things ideas certainly using that committee to help us through some of these. Um so moving forward just some highlighted items I wanted to share with you that we're doing. Um we have this leak detection program. So one of the components of the leak detection program is a water loss audit. And this is a um industry standard audit that is performed by water providers. And what it looks at is um we we refer to it as

nonrevenue water. So there's um we produce water, we deliver water, and then if it gets measured and reported through a meter, that's how we get paid back. There's always a gap. It might not necessarily be a bad thing. Some of it could be firefighting is where some of that water may have went. But it's just a way for us to audit our system and where we see anomalies where we pumped more from the ground than we delivered to our customers. We dig in and we find out where did that water go? Was it a fire suppression activity or do we have an unmetered connection? Where are we losing this? Is there a leak somewhere? The other piece is um monitoring. So maybe there is a leak. It's just not bad enough to show at the surface level. So, we use equipment and sonograms and listen at our listen to our systems and see if we can find those leaks and get them repaired more proactively. So, our water reuse, this is more of a water management tool and we're certainly focused more on aquafer rea recharge and our exchange partners. And this is u more of an indirect portable use or non-potable use of that resource currently. Those are our focused efforts. Sorry. Okay. Um and then finally in this category we have our water allocation policy. Council adopted the policy last year. We are bringing in June forward the ordinances that will enable our implementation of the policy and um just it's not un unlike other cities. A lot

of cities are implementing this and it's just really a way for us to manage our resources protecting the customers that are here today while also providing more certainty for those future customers and developers for our that are coming to our city. Now moving forward on to what we will do. These are items that we like to we identified as things that are already in our budgeted plans that we've already got pro um things moving forward in the next fiscal year. So um starting here we we're continuing with water acquisition. This is also something we've been doing in the past. Many of you are aware of the Bartlett Dam modifi modification. Sorry about that. Um, we also have other things we're working on such as the WIFA State Water Infrastructure and Finance Authority is working on augmentation projects. We are actively on their future offtakers committee. We sit at the table with CAP and ADWR on the Arizona Reconultation Committee. We're actively in the stakeholder process for the Bartlett Dam modification. We're always working with the tribal partners and our irrigation districts, making sure that the city is at the table for all of those conversations so that when the time is right and a project comes to fruition, we're there. One of the other items that we've been working on is we like to call this no dezz is kind of the short term but basically it is a zero liquid discharge flushing and it we implemented it we used it we're actually one of the first cities to ever use it and saved 10 million gallons when we flushed the

distribution system prior to turning the surface water plant on. And this is a mechanism of how we can flush our hydrants, but we redirect the water through a um truck mounted filters and then back into the distribution system instead of just discharging it out onto the street. So, just another way through our normal operations, you would be losing water. We're trying to find ways to make sure we're recirculating them, keeping them in the system. And then our communitywide culture of water efficiency. We've been working closely with the private providers and finding areas where our conservation programs and theirs intersect and where we can partner on things. Some of the ones we've done recently were rain barrels where we distributed rain barrels to customers in both Liberty and the city service area. We partner with um water festivals and helping you know train our youth on ways to use water more efficiency or efficiently. And we uh really focus on efficient use of water. We don't want to hoard water. We know that water can provide a really good quality of life. It's got recreational benefits. There's many things that we want to make sure that we're using the water smart and for what it's needed for. So, moving forward, this is an area where we really wanted to try and get a little bit more creative and a little innovative. There's um several items and we can certainly um get into more detail and bring additional information moving forward, but there's a few that I wanted to touch on today and see if we can get um maybe some conversation going. So, these are just opportunities, ways that we can be, like I said,

innovative, more visionary, forward thinking. Let's try some things a little different. So, one of the things that we're we're working with other city departments to make sure that we are looking at any water resource at our disposal. So, one of the areas that is near and dear to my heart is for things like the parks and the recreation campus. They're utilizing portable water to irrigate a lot of ball fields. They happen to be located on irrigation district lands. That provides us an opportunity to get the water for those uses from the irrigation district. Not only does it free up the portable water in the city's system, but it also takes them off of the city's portfolio and lets them utilize a water supply that was used on the lands before the lands were developed. And so it's grandfathered and they still have the ability to use that water resource. And so as the rec campus um phase two comes forward, we'll bring more information on on that part. But some of these are going to result in maybe capital projects that will follow the normal process and be brought forward to council through the budget process. And that's how you'll see them being implemented. But this is a big um and it's covering all of our all of our parks even in Liberty service area partnering with Liberty. Do you have an alternative supply that can get us off your portable? So this is one area that I think will make a huge impact. One of the other um again more of a water management tool and that is the advanced water purification.

So you've already got a couple cities in the valley that are moving this direction. And so this is um also known as direct portable reuse. This would be a way of utilizing technology to take treated waste water. So water that we've re reclaimed, we've treated and reclaimed and utilize it for drinking water um supply. So that's new technology that's out there. And then um one of the other new ideas that we've had and staff would really like to move forward with is we're calling it like a cap and trade. So you guys are probably familiar with that term. It's used to talk about carbon and how we put limits on industries with their carbon footprint. Essentially, what we would do is we could find a maybe an industrial user that needs some extra water and they could fund a conservation program for say an HOA turf conversion or something of those sorts that would free up the water resource that was used for irrigation for them to use for their manufacturing, for example. And in turn, those residents will benefit from reduced costs to the HOA. They don't have the high water costs, the high landscape maintenance costs of all that grass. And so, it's really a win for those residents. And it would allow for our um industrial customers to potentially have another mechanism to get water for their production. So, um, those are just a few of the kind of what we can do. Open to any discussion. Um, but that's that's the extent of our presentation this evening.

Thank you, Barb. Very very informative. Um, who's up? Go ahead. Yep.

Thank you. Uh I believe that this uh strategic plan item was my contribution and uh you know when you you set it up over time and you have to go back and revisit what what did we mean and and and what what was I thinking about when I when I proposed it. But I appreciate the ongoing conversations I've had with Keany and Barb to on this topic. Um covered a lot of good things. I mean certainly that water conservation did good things but that's been a been a while now and looking forward to uh whatever contributions and different ways that our current resident or citizen committee can help us to advance. But I wanted to talk about this this document just a little bit. This is what what it's been titled city of Goodyear comprehensive water strategy. And I really appreciate the collaboration with all the departments working together to identify different um things. I think it's a a great start and really focusing internally which we haven't done so much. It's mostly been external but I think you know we have to check ourselves too and everything that we're doing. Um, and so of all of this, um, I I haven't seen anything that waves any kind of red flags. And I and I know you did mention advanced water purification, which I used to lovingly call toilet to tap, but um the the reality is that that technology is gaining traction. It's it's probably going to be part of our future and um and and we really need to be advancing on that rather than than lagging. So, just, you know, coming along coming along slowly on on those kinds of things. But there are a lot of uh internal actions in here that look like they're just common sense. And I think that they'll have big impacts, but I think what you're going to have to do is do some type of analysis to see what's going to save the much the most water

for the the costs that it'll have. And that'll be something we'll be um looking forward to you uh bringing back to us. And and I think even your suggestion on cap and trade is really innovative. I mean that is a standard procedure on the whole carbon footprint and why not I mean you know let's look at what other what other utilities or what other industries are doing and and see what we can um we can innovate. And I know that our residents are really looking to us to lead the way in conservation and being proactive. um they want to know that we're good stewards and the fact is we are good stewards and uh we we have built a long one runway for growth and growth is coming but we've done and we're able to do that because we have invested in infrastructure to get us here. But it's going to be really critical that we continue to think about infrastructure as we move forward so that we don't lose um any ground or any momentum certainly as our our city um grows. Um, I will say there's a couple areas of this list or the things that we've talked about that are particular interest to me that I would I would love to see some kind of focus on. Um, I would say any recommendation that development services had, go after it for sure do it. Um, I it's especially the item on increasing HOA landscaping flexibility. I think as uh most of us live if we well we live in Goodyear we we pay our our household water bill but then we're also funding our HOA's water bill and a number of HOAs are really looking to um cut their cost down uh reduce the turf or uh look at uh different ways and I I know that they've

been partnering with your staff that are that do a really good job and uh but what we can do in design guidelines to give them more flexibility. Um and then it it can even help us I think um as new development comes even commercial de development just revisiting the the water use the water for landscaping I think would just really um be very proactive and I know development services has been like revising everything and they got that one done but I would love to see that one just crack open again to take another look at um again how we can we can save water. Um we've talked about augmentation, which is uh essentially finding other sources. It's the fancy word for saying we we've got to get other water. And um I know there's a a number of things that we're pursuing, but I think we uh want to continue to be forward on that and and leading and not lagging in, um in in how we in how we do that. Um, one of the things I've been thinking about and uh, you know, talking with with some others about it is about our rate strategy. Um, we we've had a a a playbook that I think we've used a lot. It's we we we have a timeline. We kind of back everything up to that timeline. And I know we've we work to involve residents, but I think it's time to reook at some how we figure out rates in that uh all utilities are are raising rates are going up everywhere, I guess, is just another way to say it. Our electric bill, gas bill, you name it. um would like to see that uh for single family households, we have a general idea what it takes to live for your daily for your washing,

your your cooking, just your daily life. um and make that a base rate. And then everything else that's discretionary, which would be how much landscaping you want, how much turf you want, how many pools or water features and all that. That there would be a tiered program to um to capture those those types of uh of water users. I know that we do have um a percentage of high water users um and would like to see how we can maybe actively engage them to um to reduce their their costs um you know and uh even considering like APS has demand pricing. We know that uh in the summer during certain hours you shouldn't run your washer, you know, different things. And I don't know if that's even ever something like that's been considered because when it's hot and if everybody's using water in the heat of the day, it cost us more and power to operate the equipment as well. Uh you know, I mean your costs go up, our costs go up um on those kind of whether that's a possibility or any other consist or any other um uh considerations that would not penalize conservation for us. conservation. If we conserve water, which is the right thing to do, then we take a hit financially. And and how can we structure rates so that it's it's more covers more consistent costs and provides a consistent revenue without penalizing us for for saving water. And I don't know what those answers are, but luckily I know you water professionals um do a great job. And then lastly, I wanted to talk about technology um upgrades. This is something that over

many budget cycles I've brought up. Um I know your skate is behind. I know that uh there's a lot of technical steps that are being still being done manually and I I would say we're behind in in tech and I know that there's uh so many demands citywide and so how does water fit into the priority of things and um coming from a a large my career in a larger city I mean they had their own IT support they had their own business analysts and I know that That's not necessarily the model here, but I think we need to think about how water services, which is um an enterprise department uh really needs to act more like a business in itself and uh you really aren't control of your destiny because you don't have the resources that you need. And I was disappointed to hear that the business analyst that um was slated for the budget was removed because I think you wanted a different position. I think you're you're way behind in that in terms of helping you to forecast, model, project, develop the datadriven uh strategy that we need and you just don't have the resources to do that and um I think I think we're missing out on that. So would love to see um a a um a plan to ensure that you get the IT and the business support that that you need to um to make sound decisions. And um you know based on our conversation tonight and certainly whatever anybody else has, I would like to see you guys come back with uh taking the input and then with what you've done here and come back with a uh a plan. And I'm I appreciate this is the opportunity to open up an important conversation

because it is something that our residents care deeply about. We do get asked about water a lot. We're asked about are the multif family and data centers taking all that water and um maybe you can answer that forever who's listening, but uh you know every everything that uh in the news is really makes it makes it tough for water. But I I think it's important that our residents know that we're we're we're planning and we're preparing for our future. Our future is good here. We're we're still open for business. We're open for development and we're going to continue to lead in this industry. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Did you have something, Benita? I'm still formulating. You're still formulating? How about over on this side? Train. You're good. Yeah, I formulate as I go along. you formulate as you go.

Yes. So, um, appreciate Mayor Barb, thank you for the presentation. You had mentioned CAP and in any public setting, you know, if you haven't noticed, I like to ask kind of where we are when it comes to Colorado River um, aotment, you know, for, as Councilwoman Kano said, for anybody watching about, you know, what does this mean for Goodyear? where are we kind of at in that um kind of the status of those negotiations and then how does that affect Goodyear in the short term? Can we handle whatever may come in these uh negotiations andor decisions in the coming months?

Yes. So, um currently the federal government still has not made a final decision. The lower basin states continue to negotiate and work together to help keep Lake me in a healthy healthy enough situation that we can get water from that reservoir. We have come together. Uh there's going to be an update at our meeting on Wednesday about what that looks like specifically, but the three lower basin states do have a p a plan and a path forward for at least the next couple years to buy even the Bureau of Reclamation a little bit more time if they should need it. Um, and that plan would be very similar to some of the reductions we've been seeing somewhere around 25 to 30% cuts for the lower basin states. And that plan will be shared. We're all working on ways that we can split up how those reductions are made. And that would be kind of a voluntary um situation, something we're trying to offer up the federal government to help them see the light and and come up with a sound decision. But to further add to that, our current um modification application for our designation of assured water supply, we have only requested 50% of our Colorado River supplies in that application. So should we get a 50% cut to those supplies, it would not impact our next 10 years worth of growth.

Okay. All right. I I appreciate that and I know it's sometimes repetitive but every few months I kind of like to bring it up just because it's in the news and then you know as again Councilwoman Kano said we hear concerns from residents almost on a daily basis about waters like how can you have this growth if they're about to you know cut water access. Um, and speaking of that and speaking of another thing you had mentioned when it came to uh, firefighting, um, something that has come up to me a couple times from residents, I think other council members have seen it a little over a year ago, you know, there were the large fires there in California and the Palisades. Um, when it comes to, and this may be a question for Chief, but when it comes to our ability to maintain uh pressure and water for our hydrants citywide, like you know, the Hazen fire uh just down the street uh in the last couple week, has it been one week, two weeks? I can't remember. Um, but you know, it just kind of reflects I've had a couple people ask, you know, what if it were to jump, you know, the river bank, something like that. Do we have the capabilities to suppress that? Do we have the water available to um put up a defensive line, something like that? So, I I don't know if that's for you or for chief, just kind of what are the status of um the water when it comes to our hydrants citywide?

Yeah. So um certainly we have our system is designed to for impacts such as fire. However, something as large of as a brush fire that overtook an entire um riverbed for example. I believe there's other mechanisms that they use for fighting those fires. Sometimes there's, you know, planes come over and drop the they're getting water from other areas. they're not going to necessarily get all of that water from the distribution system, but we do have um our storage in place. A lot of the storage tanks you see that is that is why we have them is so that when a fire does break out in our city in our city service area, they can open up a hydrant and and we have all that backup water sitting in water storage tanks to be able to provide them. And and a lot of that comes from and I apologize for thrusting this upon you, but like I said, I make up a lot of this stuff as I go along. Um that you know, we did see well I think was a little more than a year ago, you know, you had neighborhoods run like not having water in their hydrants, things like that. Obviously, a riverbed fire is different than what they experienced, but um it doesn't mean that there aren't residents out there. uh wait, could that happen here? And so I I just wanted to bring it up since it's been a year. Uh and we're talking about water and the availability and that sort of thing. Um just kind of the our ability, you know, it's not just our water as you mentioned, but there would be outside water for any large uh catastrophic event like that. Um so from that uh that that's good enough for me. Councilwoman Kano hit a little bit on some of our development projects. Uh specifically, you know, there's this new ground swell, I guess, against, you

know, water usage and data centers and battery energy storage and those sort of things. Any new development as such? Do can you speak a little bit towards their water usage compared to what it maybe was 5 10 years ago? um to what it is now just kind of generally as an industry uh be because you know as was said oh there's you know they're cutting the Colorado River yet you're approving a data center or you approve an energy facility or something like that and it's just there was the county approved something just north of Luke Air Force Base and they had you know 500 people come up and show show up last week to a county meeting uh half of them concerned concerned about, you know, just dumping water away for a, I believe, a data center that project was. Um, so can you speak a little bit to how those development projects utilize water generally as a whole, not looking for specifics and then how that relates to our overall water portfolio.

So generally um data centers are not large water consumers. They run closed loop systems for the majority of the data centers in Goodyear and actually use less water than would be allocated for an industrial building according to our current water policy. So right now um I believe the latest numbers we looked at data centers use maybe 3 to 4% of the cities of the water that's being used in the city service area.

Okay. Um, that's good enough for now. And then one last one. I maybe have a slightly contrary position, but you know, I saw this presentation and when it comes to the capp trade system, you mentioned, you know, other energy sectors, it I I remember this, you know, from, you know, 15, 20 years ago. this was quite a politically um toxic uh initiative when it came to the energy industry. Uh I I would have concerns about you know where do you cap it? How much do you cap it? You know where are we interfering there with the market because I I like the idea of enterprise funds. You know we operate it as a business. what comes in goes out into uh our our water programs. And you know, depending on where you set a cap, you can artificially inflate prices. It results in higher prices for either the utility and/or the consumer. So, I I just want to put on record that I have a lot of skepticism and concerns about playing with with the market there as far as credits and caps and that sort of thing. So, um I would certainly need to see a lot more to assuage that, but I've come into it with a lot of lot of concern. So, I just wanted to register that.

That's all me.

Yep. Thank you for that feedback. And we certainly would have to um establish the program a little bit more defined, but essentially, and I use that term loosely, essentially what we were looking at is a way for um a higher water use customer who um through our allocation policy maybe wasn't allocated enough water for their project to fund a conservation project for someone else to be able to free up that water that was being used. For example, on an HOA turf area, if there was, say, an extra million gallons a a year being used to water that turf and they wanted to free it up for their use, they could pay to implement a turf conversion project, saving the HOA, the million gallons, and then using them that water that they freed up themselves. Okay. So essentially that was how and

so yeah it just comes down to the specifics of okay where is that cap and then you know how would that work and my concern would be getting away from if you're using a million gallons of extra water would you not just pay for it or as we set the rates accordingly. Um so and the industrial user would then pay for the delivery of the water. So instead of us getting paid by the HOA, we would be being paid for. We'd be being paid by the industrial user that's now taking the water. Okay. So essentially, thank you.

Yes. Um, and looking at the items, the things to do list that were provided, is there one or two that um would show us some long-term um impact?

Yeah, that's a good question. And I think the three that I chose to highlight were three of the ones that I felt were were most impactful and and would advance the program. But again, to council member Kano's point, we do we will be digging into these and weighing the cost and benefit of each of these items and working through the citizen water advisory committee and then in the you know eventually bringing them back through council um with recommendations based on how we get our biggest bang for the buck. And the the other thing that keeps coming to my mind is that I know we talked a little bit about the um businesses commercial. Um but on the other half of it is our residents that are crying about their rates. Are there any other things that we can do to uh I know we offer them things and some of them don't take it because I've been in a meeting where they've offered a couple of the conservation items and maybe a handful will look at taking them. Um, but are there any other kinds of incentives or or like I was looking that the sheet that that Laura had, I actually printed it myself. I just didn't bring it with me and and and I sat there and went through each each item. And there was one on there about um actually looking at how to do land how to do um what would I say? Um landscaping that didn't use a lot of water and and and actually uh offering that to residents.

Yeah. So the zeroscape landscaping I think yeah and um we those are items that we do offer uh residential single family residential while they make up the bulk of our customers the individual homes impacts to our water system is very small and so most of these items we offer to our single family residents more as a customer service. They're they're a service that we provide and certainly we don't make them take our advice or or our services,

but we are more than happy to to go out and do an audit with the individuals. We help them find leaks when they have those um spikes in like so one month they might get a really big water bill and they call because they don't understand. We maybe go help them find their a leak or adjust their irrigation and and we provide all of that as a customer service and also to help those that customer not see an ongoing spike in their water bill. We want to make sure that their their water bill comes back down and that they're not having those issues. Um again, uh we do we will be looking into more conservation efforts and programs that we can implement for the residential customers as well. But again, when we start looking at um where do you save the largest quantities is where your largest users

uses are. Okay. Yeah. Which for us is more of the turf large turf facilities use the majority of the water in Goodyear. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Over here.

Yeah. The only thing I want to add is drop. Save the drop. You don't have the palm. So, anything you can do to try to find the leaks and I'm I'm for technology, you know, especially once you get into AI and some of the other things and where you can identify a specific homeowner or whatever anomalies that they get that gets uh attacked early on as opposed to waiting some huge bill comes out because all of a sudden you can tell what goes on there. But you're right, a lot of it has um for example, the amount of water that can go through a toilet if that thing's not if it's continually running is huge. you know um so anytimes you can catch some anomalies like that uh and I think technology is going to help you get to those pieces but also what you're using now for water is the same it was what about 30 years ago 40 years ago something like that

in the valley yes yes so um when you look across the the valley here in Arizona the water used today is not much different than what was being used in like the 70s and early 80s even though we've grown immensely the water use has not increased just through efficiencies and converting from like your agriculture to urbanization. It's a less water use. Well, I think I I appreciate the presentation. I know you're trying to find all the different ways, you know, to save us some money on there. And like I say, a drop saved is one you don't have to pump. So, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you all. Thank you.

All right. Next up, uh, update on the public safety action plan proposed focus areas. They're coming on up.

Mayor and council, um, as Steve and Eric come up to the podium or to the the table here, uh, tonight's presentation is a continuation of our conversation as we progress in the development of our road safety action plan, which is slated for completion later this year. Uh, we have previously had one-on-one interviews with each council member about roadway safety action plan to solicit your feedback and on road safety issues you're experiencing in Goodyear. We have talked about the purpose and timeline for the development of the plan. We in doing so, we have also shared with you how we are using data to guide the plan's development as well the importance and need for public input and feedback. Obviously, the plan is intended to make our roadway safer for all users, drivers, bicyclists, pedestrians, etc. To do this, the plan will be built on a collection of individual strategies that will be intended to guide us on improving the safety of our roadways, not just today, but as we continue to grow and develop. For example, one of our more one of our strategies will likely be focused on reducing speeding throughout the city. Our road safety action plan strategies are currently being identified and prepared and we will be bringing those back to council after the summer recess. Tonight we are sharing with you the next step and where we are the proposed five primary focus areas for the plan. If you think of these focus areas as buckets. These focus areas will hold and organize the individual strategies that are being developed. Um back to that strategy development of say reducing speeding. That strategy would likely fall under the human behaviors focus area that we're going to go into a little bit more tonight. So, as we progress in the development of the road safety action plan, it is imperative that the plan is not just something we prepare and get approved. It will be a guiding document. It won't be just put on the shelf. So, our presentation tonight, we want to continue to engage you in this process and the conversation. So, I'm going to turn it over to Steve Sinto, our director of engineering, along with Eric Seazak, our assistant city traffic engineer, who will take you through tonight's presentation. Steve, Eric, take it away.

All right. Thank you, Key, for the introduction. And again, good evening, mayor and council. Steve Sinto, city engineer. And as Kenny said, we have Eric Cessich here. He's our assistant city traffic engineer and also the project manager on the project um on the road safety action plan as we've been calling it the RAP. Um we also uh in the back in case we need her have Marta Gerber from Stanley Consulting who's also presented before you. You've met before as she's been helping us with this road safety action plan. So, we're here tonight uh to provide an update on the RSAP and also seek council feedback on the proposed focus areas for the rest of the study. Um, as council may recall, ultimately this effort is to achieve our long-term goal of zero fatalities due to crashes in the city. And and just before we get to the rest of the presentation, I want to remind council that we already have relatively low crashes in the city and even a lower amount of of fatalities related to those crashes today. We've had the benefit of most of our infrastructure in the city and most of our development um being constructed uh after we already had robust engineering standards in place. So the transportation infrastructure is solid. Uh this along with the uh diligence of our public safety departments, PD and fire put us in a very good starting place for the road safety in the city today. Um that being said, this RAP it's a worthwhile endeavor to try and continue to reduce crashers in the city and move us towards our goal of zero fatalities. Uh so moving on to the agenda for the presentation tonight. Uh first I'll walk us through where we are in the project timeline and some of the stops we've had to date. Uh then I'll turn it over to Eric and he'll give council an update on the RSAP including some progression of the additional safety analysis we've performed and Stanley's performed. Uh next we'll be presenting the proposed focus areas as Keany mentioned including how they were developed and why they're so important to the project. And finally, we'll review the next steps for the project, answer any questions, and gather feedback from council on the focus areas.

So, here's a quick look at our overall schedule for the RSAP. Uh, starting in the gray areas, we initially kicked this effort off in July of last year. Uh, then we had some council one-on ones, several work sessions with council just to help establish the goal for the plan, provide periodic updates, and also talk about the public engagement efforts. Uh since that time, we've continued our public engagement efforts, uh further crash analyses and the evaluation of our green uh bike lane pavement markings. And that brings us to the green start tonight up there where we're here to introduce and seek feedback on the focus areas of the study. At this point in the presentation, I'll turn it over to Eric uh who'll go over how the team developed these focus areas.

Eric, thank you, Steve, for Thank you, Steve, for the introduction there. Um, so as you guys remember back in March, we did our initial safety analysis. Can you get that a little closer to you there? Yeah, there we Thank you guys. There you go.

Um, so back in March, we were looking at our initial crash analysis which introduced the safe systems approach which we are focusing on eliminating fatal and serious injuries on our roadways. This analysis has looked at seven years of data between 2024 or between 2018 and 2024 and includes an entire city excluding elevated facilities that ADOT maintains such as Interstate 10 and State Route 303. This data has allowed us to create a heat map of locations where crashes have already occurred based on crash density. This crash density map shows that majority of our crashes occur north of the Hila River. However, the heat map is only one part of the overall picture when looking at crash analysis. The city of Goodier has a total of 490 miles of public roadway. While the heat map shows crash density, it does not define specific intersections or corridors, but rather generalized areas. The high injury network map takes that information and identifies those exact corridors and locations. When we use this information, we can create a map that identifies approximately 11 miles of roadway where severe crashes have historically occurred. However, crash locations are only one part of this equation, and engineering is not the only solution. As part of this project, we are looking at what attributes may have contributed to those crashes, such as speeding or driver impairment. By using the lessons we learned here, we can proactively create focus areas that go beyond engineering and include driver behavior, education, and enforcement, which may be more effective at reducing these crashes at some of these locations. So, how do we get to these focus areas? Well, our focus areas are developed through a combination of regional best practices and local data. We reused what other regional agencies have done including city of Phoenix, ADOT and MAG to understand their approaches and then customize it to fit specific goodyear needs.

This selection process both uses quantitative analysis looking at data and quantitative input factors from the community. This data includes the high injury network map shown on the last slide and adds crash patterns, injury severity, and injury type which is currently shown on the chart. We also layer in other data sources such as traffic volumes, speed data, pedestrian, bicyclist activity to create a data-driven approach. However, data doesn't tell the whole story of the roadway. This is where our community input is added. Feedback we have received through surveys, stakeholder meetings, and local changes, things like current and upcoming projects or developments. Public engagement has been a large component of the plan and has included ongoing social media posts and information in Goodyear's Infocus magazine. We have also shared the public website and survey at city events and have reached out to organizations. This outreach has included bicycle groups such as West Valley Cycle Organization and gathering in-person feedback on the green painted bike lanes in addition to our public openhouse. The charter in the presentation highlights some of the feedback we received when we asked residents to identify their top three issues the city should focus on first. This combined approach ensures we're not just reacting to past crashes, but also planning our future growth and addressing community concerns. Both of these factors have contributed focus areas which were developed by the technical advisory committee. This committee was led by engineering and includes members of Goodyear PD fire and other departments with the help of our consultant. This brings us to why should we have focus areas? Focus areas ensure our efforts are strategic, data driven and impactful. This allows us to save lives based on highest cause of injury. Use data-driven priorities rather than anecdotal observations. Establish clear

accountability across departments. enable coordinated action and ensure these outcomes are balanced across the city. While crash data shows patterns by organizing these patterns into focus areas, we can prioritize concerns and address them at a systemwide level. This approach allows us to move beyond isolated fixes and instead implement consistent, scalable improvements across the city. It also aligns our stakeholders and community around shared priorities. Ultimately, these focus areas help us target the root cause of crashes and make meaningful progress towards reducing fatal and serious injuries to reach our goal of zero. This has led to five proposed focus areas. Each focus area will include specific strategies, responsibilities, and implementation recommendations. While there is some overlap between the five focus areas, the team will be working over the summer to define these focus areas and share them with council at a future work session. Our first focus area includes human behavior, which includes addressing some of our community's biggest challenges and concerns, such as speeding, aggressive driving, and red light running. All three of these were identified as the highest concerns from our community during our public outreach. This focus area can also address as um this focus area can also address these behaviors and also encompass aspects of education, enforcement, and public awareness campaigns. Engineering improvements are important, but pedestrian driver behavior pay a significant role in crash prevention. Essentially, this looks at ways that can discourage poor behavior on our roadways and encourage good behavior to reduce crashes. Our roadways and goodyear are designed and constructed to national, state, and locally adopted standards and guidelines. The general standards and policies focus area covers citywide approaches that often exceed those minimum requirements. This focus

area reviews items such as our development standards, design guidelines, and neighborhood traffic management programs. These city standards can establish a framework to how to make decisions and include enhancements that can be part of future developments. It can also cover some topics that may not fit in our other focus areas. Our third focus area is intersections, which are typically where most crashes occur due to the conflicting movements and complex decisions required by drivers. This area examines items such as traffic signal operations, driver visibility, and geometric modifications. These recommendations apply not only to signalized intersections, but non-salized intersections, which are far more common and may be along some of our lower volume roadways or near school zones. The pedestrian and bicycle safety focuses on community feedback we have received. This focus area examines the green bike lane pavement markings which are part of our demonstration project. It also includes items such as sidewalk connectivity, crosswalks, and multi-use paths. All these items can enhance safety, but they can also promote economic growth and improvements to quality of life for our residents. Based on our community feedback, the majority of those surveyed identified multi-use paths that separate pedestrians from the roadways as a priority along with the importance of roadway maintenance, including our pavements and sidewalks. Our final area is growth and congestion management, and it's actually pretty unique. It's not something we find in other safety plans we've looked at, but this area acknowledges that Goodyear's rapid growth and strategies to accommodate that increasing traffic volume while maintaining safety such as access management, volume projections, and public safety response times. It also considers evolving factors such as changes in technology, advancements in

vehicles, and changes in drivers expectations. This is a challenging task and includes extensive coordination but embraces the safe systems approach where responsibility is shared on the roadway and safety is proactive. Before we open it up to feedback on the proposed focus areas, we do want to cover some of the next steps of the project. Public engagement is still a continued activity of the project and is going to continue over the summer. We will be working on the developments of the specific strategy and the recommendations for each focus area as well as drafting the road safety action plan. I would also like to draw your attention to the purple stars which are future council updates. In October, we plan on wrapping up the green bike lane demonstration project and we'll return for another work session to review the strategies and recommendations for the focus areas. Later in the fall, we will finalize the road safety action plan and seek council approval and adoption at the end of the year in December. The adoption of the road safety action plan is an important step because it does make us eligible for future federal funding if and when it becomes available. With that, we are here tonight seeking feedback on the five proposed focus areas and would be happy to answer any questions. Before I open it up, uh, real quick, heading, um, let's see. Heading north on Lichfield Road, uh, to where, uh, you're making a lefthand turn on Mcdow, uh, is that left-hand turn wide enough to double stripe it because there's times there are people hanging out in that road and backing up on the left lane. So, and it looks like it may be wide enough like they did with the on-ramp to 101 where you could actually double lane that to to remove uh some of that backup because there are times where they're way backed up on that road and always worried about getting rearended or something along those lines from that backup to make that lefthand turn. And I don't know where they're

going, but there's a long line that's making left-hand turns there. No, great question. It's actually something we're looking at right now at some of our 303 interchanges and at that location in particular about making them dual left turn lanes. There is increased traffic right now just with closures on Boulder, but that is something we're looking at. I I would appreciate that because sometimes they're hanging way way back there and always worried about an accident going to happen there. With that, go ahead and open it up. Um any questions? Go ahead. Okay,

this is really thorough and I know you've been at it for a long time, but you've definitely uh done a lot of work and I really love the analysis, all the data, the heat map and where you're showing intersections. So, you're you really target on the things you that uh we want to work on. Of course, human behavior is the toughest thing of all, but um I was wanting to know what the initial feedback is from the bicyclists about the bicycle safety demonstration uh project or the green the green markings. How's that been received?

So, there hasn't been a lot of input on the way the rider feels in the bike lane as far as them traveling over it. There was a good showing on our surveys of people saying it does change driver behavior about making them more aware. Uh but as far as like material on any of that, they haven't noticed a difference. Okay.

Okay. Good. Well, um I know that there's there are a few intersections where um if you've got cars in the left turn lane, you cannot see past them. And is that going to be a a factor in your analysis as well? You can't see oncoming traffic beyond the cars in the turn lane. Mayor, Council Member Kano, that would definitely fall in under several of these focus areas. Something that'll be looking at both intersections and potentially general strategies and policies if we Okay. So, it's definitely something that's on our radar. Great. Thank you. Just

Anything else? Go ahead. Um, I'm really excited about everything that you found because that's what we've been talking about for several years now. Can you go back to that first slide that you had? I think it was the first one, might have been the second one. It was talking about the different things that people were complaining about that one. Um, that is absolutely right on. That is everything we've been talking about. The red light running, the aggressive driving, the speeding. I think there's a couple more in there that that we have in there. I don't know if they're as high as these, but those are huge. And that is what we've been talking about. So I assume obviously your survey got a lot of that. So what are some of the comments you got to all of this?

They wanted handled basically. Yeah. No, we definitely received great feedback and even specific locations that we're taking a look at to figure out what we could do at some of these locations both systemwide but also looking at those individual locations where concerns come in. Mhm. And that is something that we're going to be dealing with, correct? Yes. Through the development of this plan and then through uh things that come out of, hey, we need to look at this location further. Great. Great. That was what I'm I'm supporting totally this 100%. Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. Back to you.

Uh just really quick, you know, ditto to a lot of things said on there when it comes though to road safety and focus areas. I know since I've come on there have been a few uh meetings and maybe helped facilitate uh when it came to crosswalks, signal lights, various things surrounding our school campuses um that are all across the city especially, you know, in those morning, afternoon hours. I that's something I hear about quite a bit. you know, I have young kids, so I hear from other parents, I hear um whether it's at little league games or whatever, just kind of the crosswalks and traffic navigating around our schools as we have a bunch of kids, you know, as young as sometimes 5 years old, 6 years old, whether, you know, there are adults around, but you know, going through crosswalks or not through crosswalks. You know, kids are going to take, you know, it's like water. They're going to take the shortest path. And so, making sure that we pay a lot of attention to any areas that may need a light. You know, high schoolers maybe aren't the best drivers. They're just learning. Um, left turns onto very wide, busy roads can get dangerous. uh as well as you know the need for like I said crosswalks or various other things to ensure that our kids are getting to and from school safely while our drivers are getting where they need to go safely whether that's you know desert edge greatarts uh basis or you know a stray of foothills I know there are a lot of issues there as well

so um just wanted to throw that out there as you It doesn't fit these spec, you know, it's not that's a little more specific than these focus areas, but that's kind of a very focused focus area. I know I've brought up and I appreciate uh your willingness to meet with folks, meet with uh school officials, meet with um you know, other community members just to ensure that attention is paid there. And I look forward to seeing what comes with that. Before we Wally, just real quick, I I pick up my granddaughter a lot of times at Millennium. The kids when I'm getting out of there, they're not even paying attention what they're walking up. They got their earplugs on, they're listening to music and etc. So, I'm going to get Wally here. Go ahead, Wally.

Okay. Um, I understood you said something about Mag and Phoenix. What What was that? Are you using any of their standards? Because I hope not because their traffic has nothing to do with Goodyear at all. Period. We looked at their plans to see what they were doing and then customize those to fit Goodyear specific. Well, we don't want their plans because obviously they don't do it right. We need our Goodyear's different and if we're using any of their plans, I think we need to take another look at it.

And Mayor, Council Member Campbell, definitely understand what you're saying. what what Eric was explaining is that we wanted to look at industry practices first to make sure we weren't reinventing the wheel, but we're absolutely looking at what makes the most sense for a good year. And you know, if something out there is not to our benefit, then we won't be using it. If there are ideas out there that are beneficial to us, that's what's helping us come up with the focus areas and the strategies for

Yeah. need to concentrate only on Goodyear, Goodyear traffic, the problems we have because people in Phoenix are nuts when they drive. We have enough trouble here and I 10 especially. But I I'm just I I just am so disappointed in some of the things we're doing for traffic wise and and and I just we've talked about this plan for four years. Four years. We got funding a year ago and it still we're not done. So what is your plan when if and when this road safety plan action plan is actually approved? What is your next step? What are you going to do?

Council member Campbell, great questions. So from this Eric alluded to part of it and that's if there's follow-up funding uh from the federal government, we will definitely be uh putting in for the next step there. But that's just one small piece of it. After today, we'll go back and we'll develop you gathering council input. We'll go back, we'll develop um more specific strategies under each one of these areas, including mitigating measures or or or fixes, so to speak. And then from there, we'll be back in October to go through that with council. And then after that feedback, we'll be back by the end of the year to for formal adoption. So when it's formally adopted, then we'll then use this as a document to come up with future projects, uh updates to some of our policies, potentially education measures. So it's a very broad application, and it it'll continue to be essentially one of our our our leading guide books on how to develop projects moving forward.

Okay. I know I asked you for traffic counts when you were and you sent me this document that I really can't read and I turned it over to a friend of mine who's a traffic engineer and he said, "How in the world did you did you even understand it?" And I said, "No, I simply wanted to know if you were doing traffic counts regularly, where were you doing them, and how were you doing them? By a strip across the road or by your cameras? How are you knowing?" because we as a council have never gotten any information on it what our traffic count is. How many cars go through these intersections a month. We don't know. We guess at it. Sometimes chief will say something about something, but we don't hear that much about it. And I How else can we plan our city if we don't know how bad the traffic is? We know how we think it. You can hardly drive in Goodyear today that they're not ripping up a street.

Council member Campbell, it's terrible. I mean, we just have construction everywhere. Now, I'm not talking about BIES. I'm talking about Listo Road.

You come down there and they're ripping it up again. And you go down Indian School and they're ripping it up again. And you know, one one entity gets done with their job and another one comes right behind them and they're ripping it up again. So, and people are complaining to me that um whoever is putting in some of this fiber cable, they're ruining their yards, they're not putting the yards back to where they were. They're just halfway doing their job. And I said, "Call the city. Call the city because if they're going to rip us up, they need to fix it back the way it was. That means the sidewalks or or the grass or whatever." So, I just I I I just um I I just get real disappointed because I expect more out of Goodyear. We're supposed to be the cream of the crop. We're supposed to be an all America city and we need to act like it. So, I just want us to do a better job in managing the traffic and because that's everyone's complaint, the traffic and they're complaining about going down Pebble Creek Parkway and then it becomes Estrella Parkway and then they go into Walmart. They can't get out of Walmart. They can't make a U-turn to get back on the freeway. It's just it's and it's just a mess. So, Steve, that's your job. You got to do something.

I don't know what, but I I can't figure it out. So, you need to do it. That's what we pay you to do, kiddo. Well, thank you for the feedback, Council Member Campbell, and I can assure you, you know, that's what staff, we were here last month talking about this as well, and we part, you know, of many of the things we're doing in this road safety action plan. But in addition to that, we continue to, you know, push forward more capital projects, more technology, expand the department, and that's, you know, it's it's definitely a challenging time with immense growth that's hit us, which is a great thing, but it also it takes a lot of different efforts to try and mitigate it, and we're hard at work at that.

Yeah, you got to keep monitoring the traffic lights so that you're moving traffic. Um, I was asked about the roadway between Tuscanyany and Eagle's Nest right in front of the fire station that a lot of times because there's no right turn only lane. It's just straight through. People get bogged down and then when the fire department turns on their light and they're bringing their truck out, everybody gets really nervous and they scatter everywhere but they don't have any place to go. So they wanted to they keep asking for why they can't have a right turn lane only going out of Tuscanyany rather than going all the way over to Pebble Creek or to the actual clubhouse drive on the other side. And I'm assuming that that is an HOA owned road. Am I correct in assuming that because that's the story I'm telling them.

I don't know that off the top of my head. Uh we can definitely look into that though and get back. just let me know quietly if the city owns it, then I'll change my tune. But I keep telling him to go talk to the HOA, not to me, because I can't do anything about it. But if it is a city street, then we need to have a conversation if we can, please. Thank you. Welcome to that. Okay. Thank you very much, yeah, to piggyback on what Wally was just saying about a stray parkway. That's crazy. That's crazy. I mean, I drive on that a lot

and that's She's right. It's crazy. the accidents on that. I mean, I've gotten almost gotten in a couple accidents myself and I'm and I'm, you know, watching everything because I'm nervous about a straight park way anymore. It seems like there's an accident every time you turn around. Seems I go up to Straight Mountain Ranch, come back down, there's an accident going up, there's an accident coming back down. We've got to do more to deal with that. It's not just the cops deal. It's it's our deal to figure out what's going on there and why. Um, the other thing I have a question about that I had somebody ask me the other day that I forgot to say something about, by the way, the bike the bike the green stuff. I love that. I love the fact what you said. I mean, maybe the bikers aren't know noticing a lot, but that green line is making people aware that they're in the bike lane. So, I think that's huge. That's something, you know. Um crosswalks uh at school zones. That is another concern that I've had a lot of constituents been talking about is that people are speeding through um through the school zones more more than they should be. And um what are we doing about it? So, are we doing something there? Are we doing some kind of something that we're paying more attention? I mean, that's probably has to do with the cops, too. But, but what I'm saying is what are we doing about that? What are we doing as a city?

Mayor, Councilman uh Gillis, I appreciate the questions. And I think one of the multiple focus areas here in in addition to some of the points that Council Member Terry brought up, multiple focus areas here will deal with school safety. We have um already have some guidelines in the city, but I know we'll be opening those back up and looking at them further and seeing where we can make improvements. And and like you mentioned, it's it's engineering, it's it's enforcement, and it may be education. It's all of those things. So, we'll be hitting all those strategies hard to try and again tackle the issues that you're bringing up,

right? Because of course, you know, people are uh looking for cops, you know, because they don't want to get tickets obviously. You know, when they need to slow down, they need to slow down. But but what can we do about that so it doesn't get to that point like Councilman Terry said? I mean, you know, he's got small kids. We've got a lot of people with small kids crossing these crosswalks and they've got like like Joe said, earplugs in their ears and you know, all the the iPods and whatever they are and everything and they're not paying attention. Well, yes, it'd be nice if they pay attention, but they don't pay attention. We need to pay attention. So, what can we do to make that difference so that we can take care of those kids? Some crosswalks I know I've seen where there's parents that are doing the crosswalk stuff, which is amazing because I think that makes a big difference. Um, if they see somebody coming that's speeding, you know, they can do something about it. But not every not every school zone has that, you know, maybe that's something we should be doing. maybe we should be implementing that and saying we should have that, you know, um just to be sure because I mean even when I'm going to something early in the morning and I go to a lot of early morning appointments, I go through school zones and I see people just whipping by and it's like I worry about those kids. That's not cool. So, I hope we're doing more than just something. I hope we're doing some something major about that.

This side, anything, Bonita? So, the only thing I wanted to really say was I thank you for the report. I thought it was a pretty comp comprehensive report and one of the things that um council member Gillis bought brought out was the fact that you're getting feedback from the residents. And I think that feedback is is really important and really good. But there are also probably some areas that they may not have brought up that I want to make sure that that you as a team make sure you focus on those areas also that are are the problems the problems with speeding or running red lights cuz cuz up where I live where there's hardly any traffic, they run the red lights all the time. Not that we put the red lights at Kalisoga. They run the red lights all the time because they're just they just do. But um I just want to say thank you for for that for those kind of things and making sure that we also look at other not necessarily where I am, but especially down the hill where um there's lots and lots of traffic because we're going to start getting more traffic. Uh it's coming and it's coming with bies, but it's also just coming because we're getting more residents. Um, and that that was basically my comment, but thank you for the report.

Anything else?

Mayor, if if I may, um, going back to Council Member Campbell's question about how we will use the the plan. I know Steve got to a little bit. What's customary when you when you adopt these plans and going back to what I was talking about making sure that these don't go on the shelf, that you're implementing, that you're living out and using these things. It's not just about looking out for those federal grant programs, but there are to be able to to support these implementation of these projects. And as Steve noted, we'll be looking for CIB projects and incorporating those into our annual budget process. But these plans often come with an annual funding amount that allows staff to move very quickly when they see an issue out there that they can they don't have to wait for a budget cycle to do that. So those are things that I think when we come back with the plan at the end of the year, it will be look also potentially tied to a a set funding stream to allow flexibility on the on the staff's part to be able to act quickly.

Thank you. Okay, with that, um, seeing nothing else, next meeting is May 18th. Uh, no further business. Getting over.