Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Yes, we'll just for the record when he comes in I'll we'll make notes. Okay, that sounds sounds like a plan. All right, we'll let Justin jump in on us later. All right, let's call this meeting to order. Shel, can you do roll call, please? Danny, are we ready? Thank you, Madam Chair.

Okay, I'll do roll call. Madam Chair, Tracy Quick here. Vice Chair Larry Lowry present. Commissioner Art Warren here. Commissioner Debbie Cox present. And we are waiting for Commissioner uh Justin Oavdo. He is trying to uh log into Zoom. So when he can get on for the freak out get on here. We do have a court. Okay. Very good. Then we're ready to move on here. So, we're our uh first item of business is consideration to approve the June 12th, 2025 meeting minutes. Has everyone had a chance to look at it? And anyone have any questions or concerns? Move to approve June 12th, 2025 meeting minutes.

Second. I have a motion and a second to approve uh the June 12, 2025 meeting minutes. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Nay. Minutes are approved. Excuse me. Could you speak up? I can't hear you. Thank you. Sure.

Business. Uh item B, consideration of a request for design and site plan approval by Orcott Wilson Winslow Architects for a new 4559 foot medical clinic located on the southwest corner of US60 and Reggus Road. APN 206-04-007Y. case number SP-20225-02. Dana,

thank you so much, Madam Chair, commissioners. Uh, as the agenda item expressed, this is a proposed 4500 square foot new medical clinic by Valley Medical Center, Regional Medical Center. And I, you can see on the screen right now, the red lines are county parcel lines showing parcel boundaries. Uh, and this would be the subject parcel that we're discussing where this proposed medical to be located. And as you can see, um, shares parking with Walmart mostly in C ranch. Uh, and then obviously cross access over the other Taco Bell to the west. That said, you have two entrances into the property and currently the traffic signal is located right here. Uh there's a right in to uh the east side of the property and a ride in as well and right out on the west side of the property and I apologize full motion access on the uh east side. So with that, I'll hop right into the site plan. Um, now back up to the demo plan. Well, uh, currently, uh, here's the site plan. Uh, currently we have all parking for the most part along where it's shown as green right now. Uh, this proposal, here's the building location with parking for the clinic obviously. Now, it should be understood that obviously all that parking parking uh for cow ranch, Walmart, the other areas are shared through CCNR and new restrictions. Um so when we look at parking populations for

any newness or new development with any new parcels that are related uh for the share parking, we look at the parking population and make sure that we're not under parking. So that was provided and we have those calculations and we're still in excess of the minimum required parking spaces for the entire development that shares that park. So with that as I mentioned this is the uh right in only right out uh access point to medical clinic. Currently there are parking spaces where this green area is shown on the north. Uh this proposal will in reintroduce or introduce landscaping for that area and uh bring that portion of this frontage. Um our 20 required landscape frontage ordinance. Um so excited for that current also 30 foot parking lot screen wall along that bridge. Um as I mentioned pretty straightforward pretty simple site plan parking along the front main entrance right here facing the roadway. Uh with access there is small retaining wall. This site is located with flood plane and uh has been designed to elevate above that flood plane to receive elevation certificate permit for flight control. Uh they reviewed this and uh plans to comply with requirements. You see a new traction closure that's been proposed on the souththeast and west corner of the lot parking spaces and access the um sidewalk network there, expansive landscape adjacent to the prop uh

building and all the way around and then new additional landscape islands. I'll scroll down here. Landscape islands um within the uh off property actually within the cow ranch portion and Walmart portion of the property. Um, so that's a welcome introduction of landscaping in this parking lot that's otherwise pretty pretty vacant of landscape. Um, so should be like, you know, being central to that overall complex. Very nice impact in addition to that frontage and that geology coming to the community from the west. So with that, I will just back up. I'll go ahead and show you the landscape plan. trees proposed in sign located on this property. I do have a condition of approval that we make sure the property owner uh just has the ability to allow Cal Ranch to continue to maintain that sign or do whatever uh should have an issue or dropped or something like that and cover them from potential issues that might happen from that property. Um so yeah that's again pretty straightforward. I will architectural elevations which are again that's elevation of the front of the building that main entrance and I think we have better elevations uh there's the overall site plan within the complex and again that circulation access point I think this will be nice addition to cleaning up some of the current experience when you drive into this parking lot it's just pretty much

striking striking only This curve will help frame and drive aisles and create more traffic and experience floor plan north elevation. So this is the front elevation that will be facing US60. Again you can see that elevated pad. They have ramps ADA ramps and so forth to provide access. in compiance with ADA requirements. This would be east elevation looking for Walmart side uh attractive with breaking up the elevation with windows and and some massing there. Uh rear west elevation uh this would be facing the west entrance uh drive through and again we've got significant landscape area along that uh portion of the building. And that's it. Uh with that staff is recommending approval. I know the applicant is available should you have any questions or they wish to make a presentation as well as the architect engineer on this project and I would be happy to find any questions. Uh you see before you staff's recommendation with for the most part customary conditions of approval with exception to uh item five and six just now we're constructing on Walmart's parking lot. work with the applicants to make sure we have access uh to work on that from Walmart and again trying to five also item number five the uh I'm sorry item number four trying to address this sign that exists I would imagine it isn't amen presently I can't imagine you

know three or four years ago purchasing this property and not securing that with the application that recommend approval. Any questions you have? Anyone have any questions? Justin, I see you joined us. Do you have any questions?

I guess I have a question. I was able to find the hot I think the question is just for data on this one. Um, just with having an actual sidewalk on US60 there, what is our ability to encourage a higher level of uh shape coverage over small areas like that?

Great question, Commissioner. So, right now along that frontage, you'll see this head wall. Um, the current design drainage design along the plage is to water there. So obviously locating a tree within that um channel would probably be acceptable but I certainly will work with the applicant and maybe use two trees uh move forward provide that shade or and two additional trees that obviously open up. Yeah, let's more trees like we have a sewer ement [Music]

barrier barrier concerning more shade unfortunately that sh but the applicants here too designer I'm sure available to respond as Oh, that's all good. It was mostly just a question. I wasn't quite sure what uh we're about to make suggestions on painting on these kind of things. But yeah, I see the sewer line. I know there's probably lots of other things beyond just the sewer that probably goes underneath there. So, it's always like a sidewalk when we can. But it looks great. This plan looks awesome. We're very excited for it. So, my one question, can we shade more sidewalks? I think is a it looks like a really great project overall.

Very good. If there's no other questions, do I have a motion? Motion to approve case number SP-25-02, design and site plan approval for the new medical clinic with the conditions as outlined in the uh agenda today. Have a second. Second. All right. I have a motion and a couple of seconds. All those in favor say I. I. I.

I. Any opposed? Nay. Motion to approve is uh for case number SP25-02. We're ready to move with that. I hope they do it fast. All righty. We're ready to move on to item C, presentation and discussion of parking lot paving standards and alternatives and possible initiation of a text amendment. Dana. Excellent. And thank you again for I can barely understand him. Okay.

Yeah. Is that a little better? No. Oh, volume. Dana, you're you're coming through really loud, but um the the sound quality is a a little bit garbled. So, if you can articulate as best you can.

Actually, that's worse. Just go ahead. Go ahead and we'll we'll call you out if we need to. It's just very garbled. mail him a headset. You know that's what he needs. [Music] It seems better, but it seems now you're quieter. So somewhere in between. Go back one change. Part of it is that speaker up here that's buzzing. Yeah, it might be. So I I would go with a little bit louder. Go louder a little bit. Bring it a little bit closer. There you go.

All right, let's go with that. And then outside voice [Music] [Music] and thank you. This is a from prior prior discussion and direction more flexibility parking lot. [Music]

Yeah, we can we're hearing you and we can see the presentation. Thank you, Dana. So the purpose of the presentation is first to explore alternative parking lot options for building mentioned we need to consider alternative techniques and again methods and very discussion also this is not related to a single property any change ultimately that comes out of a text amendment to code property Uh and then finally is also to identify what types of activities require what types of servicing and why and doing this research we realize yeah there's certainly uh certain types of paving that is uh intended to address certain types of traffic and things like that I'll cover that quickly uh so the existing parking code uh requires for commercial lots uh to be designed by a professional engineer for a few years as we call them uh and then the city engineer and approved uh that design. Now this is a very consistent policy and code pretty much for every community across the nation that sequence right there. And then also something very common if not as common as what I just mentioned is code specify minimum uh criteria for those basic parking lots. In our respect for uh vehicles less than 2 and a half tons which are basically cars typical of asphalt an aggregate base of a minimum 3 in of asphalt over 8 in of a aggregate over sub. Those three things compacted

substrate uh a surface material like asphalt um and an aggregated base are kind of the engineering standards that are international internationally accepted for this type of application. And then ultimately this code as well as every other code we recognize there are a lot of different proposals and needs and issues with certain properties. Uh so it leaves the discussion up to the city engineer criterification manuals and things like that for various different types of products and so forth. So we thought we quickly run through just the five primary types of parking uh surfaces that you see and all inspect of the type of use concrete very much the most durable. This happens to be a parking lot for building 10 years ago in the last 10 15 years. An office building all concrete parking definitely more expensive than concrete the most durable surface. That's why all standards including the city standards for stand detail and drive aprons like aprons are always concrete because that's the most Those are the receive the most stress from vehicles. They're turning, breaking, and maneuvering and then crashing to get into a property and then crashing in the sidewalk. So all that are concrete because of that resilient nature. Uh and then because the heavy weight of a crash vehicle pulling in

ultimately just destroys asever less less durable than that obviously weatherification things like that. Uh so concrete is the most durable surface highest traffic for high traffic areas required for heavy vehicles such as trap trucks per just mentioned. It's easiest for ADA. It's the flattest surface with the least uh variations in the surface and then also 30 40 years concrete parking lot. Second asphalt, it's the by far most common. It's the most typically spec requirement uh an expected kind of improvement across all communities. Um more cost effective than concrete but less a little less durable than concrete expansive to the elements. Uh it is also used for high traffic areas. It's very durable for heavier vehicles and high traffic and it's also service across parking lots and things like that. Uh chip seal is something um usually more of a temporary kind of scenario. Uh in a lot of situations it's a blend of durability and cost effectiveness. a very rough coarse surface. Often those that will break apart over time and it's required to be resurfaced and reseal every three or seven years to keep it all together. Um it's not good for high use or people not the best for wheelchair

surface surface. You can it just like as material. And other kind of compacted structural compacted is an option. This is the only example I'm familiar with, but you see papers with open open um an open grid for the drive areas. ribbon curving to hold it all together and then the actual parking spaces are now that's got a crosssection that I can show you in a few minutes but that's the idea there [Music] to strip or they can also put little balls within the grid mesh grid system that's underneath the uh truck to identify parking spaces are located over here. Those are all concrete because of the requirements to provide access. Um it's not suitable for areas with very high heavy vehicles or extremely high traffic volume [Music] and it's a very [Music] maint as possible. And that's one of the best advantages of

that type of permeable service. Gravel parking lots in BG um what we found in research is they're not used in high traffic volume for several reasons. Reasons we're seeing is that pretty much dust in the can also cause maintenance scenario. So like in this situation, what we saw in the research is that for it's usually for overflow parking areas or secondary parking areas that aren't used as often temporary parking areas and then allow residential scenarios [Music] obviously for obvious reasons. Uh it does reduce that surface runoff. It's difficult to maintain striking obviously it's also cooler than heat island but there is high maintenance in this scenario also there has been safety concerns noted in research you know tires that material into the street which So that's those five basically the standard requirements we found looking at every other option in research applicable to most uh uh requirements and I apologize. Okay. So all these paving codes are only

applicable to most uses down elsewhere usually surifically [Music] for high traffic uses based on the volume. That's the number one factoring appropriate parking service and what's not. If it's high traffic and heavy vehicles are coming up, they're going stronger surface. Uh low traffic areas, no heavy trucks require less durable surfacing obviously such as things like that. So that's the one key factor. How much traffic are accessing this space area? Then there's some exceptions as I mentioned areas and temporary parking areas. That's where we see most types of services. counties code requires that in any zoning district other than all their low density residential and open space type of zoning districts agricultural districts uh outside of that you know they don't regulate the surfacing but such space is required parking lot space shall be surfaced with surfacing concrete or other material except

like a city engineer engineering professional to prevent more traffic on a less surface or a gravel type surface more and ultimately more. So you just quickly look at some other alternatives common alternative that we see studied in In other areas, pious concrete is an option. We'll get into detail. Permeable papers are suggested you know perexile material and aggregate base. [Music] done that also that open system [Music] really alter you'll see that if you Google it agriculture and low density resial and they have some standards for the depth of that and so dust proofing all must be dust proof um and you know as we evolve that tends to be [Music] air quality issues yet but it's eventual development development. So additional also important considerations we learn traffic volume

of traffic and types of vehicles determine the durability and frequency what type of vehicles heavy light and frequencies dust control the other primary consideration across all make sure we're keeping the down just trying to avoid it all together. uh for long-term maintenance. Obviously, long-term maintain services might require continual maintenance and if it's not maintained, it becomes a compiance issue for the city and ADAT or whoever might be adjacent to or access from. Um so that's one of those considerations. uh so when we talk about the proposed granite and other structures one scenario where we address a situation in the city uh it was approved but not built with this productimar actually the next slide, but it's a what they call this flow pro plus is one of the versions for that was previously on a small commercial lot that was never paid parking lot. So we [Music] really So on that project very similar grid like this again I say parking area

you can see the parking lot stripes yellow but detail again certain amount of aggregate base certain amount of subgrade all compacted geoexile and then this is laid on top and then gran over the top a certain type of granite that uh you locks together and then they roll it and agitate it to secure in place and sometimes add a to discusses those different potentially more costly properly designed and maintain permeable parking using compow that's the type of structure type of design would be more suitable again all these all these products have specification manuals that discuss exactly how it's put in these manufacturers clearly don't want to have a product in business But when we have time will be available public system and all associations that happen. So one other thing to consider is in the area. How we want to restrict alternatives and we got to have consistent type of surfacing in the downtown district or direct

access to the highways. Obviously commercial all day high volume traffic apron requirements which we already have also whenever they have their own specifications concrete concrete sidewalk uh primary parking versus overflow parking. I think that's a gray area that you know some scenario traffic that could certainly justify different type of parking service. We just looked at shared parking developments for continuity. So you have two blocks sharing common access. You want that that service to be consistent visual continuity. where it is what the scenario obviously retail sales opposed to low traffic uses where very small office heavy vehicle uh vehicles very much. So next steps after this planned discussion of the planning zone commission we'll hear from members of the public if you wish to staff on the key elements that you want to make sure included and then

we'll kick off and prepare to review. that we stakeholders public for about a two week period. We'll then revise the text to address issues and things that we haven't thought of. Uh advertise and hold the citizen review meeting that right before commission public hearing where you'll make a recommendation to the city council. City council holds a public hearing on the ordinance is what it will be at that point. without a text amendment effect after 30 days. So with that respond to questions,

do we have any information that's been supplied to us with regards to how often that parking lot is used, how many vehicles are there on a daily basis or anything along those lines? Dana, I'm sorry. Was that a qu is that a general question? Yes. You know, I'll have to defer to traffic. [Music] Um, but we don't have anything about this particular property that we've been discussing, the one that's located next to Circle K. We don't have anything at this point in time that shows how often that is used in and outwise on that dirt lot. No. And same with most others.

Okay.

But that would have to be consideration. We know certain like I mentioned traffic for instance certainly convenience and quick serve restaurants are probably two highest volume users gas station grocerers are right there so what's Yeah, I think going off that I think actually what you showed from Hila County and their restrictions by particular zoning was a pretty good example of that where they essentially restricted some of the alternatives to only those more low traffic style zoning areas. Well, I kind of disagree with that, Justin, only because I go up and down that street every day to the bank and a million other places. And typically when I drive by, I see two or three vehicles in the dirt lot. Now, I see several that get parked and jacked up around the gas station pumps and uh in Circle K on the front and the side itself. So, I was just wondering if we had a a number for how often that someone is actually using that if that would be considered overflow because it's a minimal use or is it just more than what I see when I'm driving back and forth on US60.

So, I think just from some of my experience in other places all across the state in the southwest um I've been one of the proponents to push a lot of these decomposed granite options. I've worked on in the past that are not within our city. Um, but when we are proposing decomposed granite, particularly on lots like this, we've had to often complete things like traffic engineering studies that associate some of those estimated traffic counts just to try to prove the point of how low the use may be for those situations.

Well, I don't think that's rocket science. You post a camera on the other side of the road, check at the end of the day, and see how many vehicles were parked in the dirt lot. I mean, that might be even something that the owner, current owner could assist with or something. I mean, those little cams are not that expensive. So, that might be one way to get through on whether we can make a determination about overflow parking or whatever restrictions need to be considered uh from this time forward. Just I would like to know because I don't I don't see a lot I don't see 15 or 20 vehicles parked over there. So, I guess I would continue in my brain that would constitute overflow parking since we have the paved parking right next door at Circle K, but I don't know that for a fact because I I don't know how much it is used.

Well, and I will say though, they do like the trucks that deliver their big, you know, like their beer big beer trucks and do they go on the dirt side and how often is that? I'll just say from my own personal experience, uh, anywhere from four to five times a week. Okay. And is it like several trucks at one time, Tracy, or is it typically one delivery truck? It can happen on a Friday morning. I can have three big trucks all trying to deliver to me at the same time. Okay.

But that's just my, you know, different business. But that is my personal experience. obviously TIA what's the demand on this traffic [Music] you'll see anyway again this is all Yeah, I think for me my greatest concern typically um with using decomposed granite next to a street without a big apron that helps to prevent and trap decomposed granite is the the larger the piece of equipment, vehicle, whatever you like to call it, that goes from one side to the other, the faster it deteriorates. So, I think like the report said, after a winter or two, you'll see some severe poting. Typically, you get a larger there and you see large poting divots and and push out within months, if not days in like particularly like turn radiuses, things like that parking lot like where parking areas. I think one of your examples granite being used for parking stalls but not for lanes. Like I think that's a pretty good example because like that's a great example of decomposed granite being used in places that are not necessarily having these larger trucks driving through them or heavier piece of equipment because they just simply can't fit in those spaces. And then it also helps vehicles that are on it.

Essentially that drive surface for the driving lane operates as a kind of a DG collector at the end of the day. That's why those pavers work pretty well. It's ensures that you have limited decomposed graning out back within the street or in particular I think the bigger concern is blocking some of our drainage inlets or Highway 60 which is not necessarily under our control. We got to make sure we're meeting the needs and standards of AOT which one of the cameras.

Do we have any other questions or concerns? We have at least one speaker card.

I'll come back.

All right. If we if we have no more to say, Yolanda, would you like to come up and say your piece, please?

Good evening everyone. I think by this time everyone knows me as the lady with a bad apple. The lady with the dirt lot. Okay, I'm going to start answering the question about the traffic. I've been monitoring that property for two weeks. It's hot, but I've been parking there. The most I have seen is three cars and the Pepsi delivery truck at lunchtime, noon. Then my house is up the hill, so I'm using gas, but I don't care. I fill my tank every other day. I drive back and forth like 10 times a day. Um around 4 pm you see two cars, one car, one employee car. So there is not such a huge traffic like they are letting us believe. We have other options besides aspant. I already told you many times in person, by phone, emails, I cannot afford asphalt. It's out of my budget. Way, way out of my budget. I've been calling companies. I've been busy, stressful. The lowest u code I got is 85,000. And they say it's a rough estimate. They need to come and see. how much space we're using for landscape, but a rough estimate. They say it can be more. The one that I got last year, it was 90,000. I called them again and they say they need to come again. It might be 110 because time already passed. So, I have a question for you, Dana. Are

you the one that contacted Circle K management and told them that the employee couldn't park there? They contacted me and I was made aware

because they forward me the email and then they emailed me back that they're not going to be paying. So it's like a then I'm going to big trouble then I don't have any income. I had received one check. So when they told me they are not going to pay anymore, what I did, I deposited that check right away before they cancel it. So my question is who is going to compensate me, the city of Glo for that last rent? On one side, they're requiring to upgrade and on the other side you guys are dropping me down that I'm not allowed to receive rent. So I'm all confused. Please help me understand that.

I think that's a time that you

Well, that's what it says right here at the the third L. So that's me. I'm the owner of the third latch. So one more obviously. So you know [Music] And if you think or something like that, that's certainly

well the the engineer has been uh emailing you back and forth the site planning. You've been rejecting and she's been making corrections. I don't I'm afraid when she sends me the new bill because I already pay a lot of money. And now with all the corrections she's doing, I'm just afraid to open the email when she sends me that.

If you uh and what I say to you is I refer to everyone. Yes, you if you guys should agree when I when I was contacted that I need to upgrade that property and I say yes, I'm willing to upgrade the trees will be be big like the ones in the pictures. We have shade already and the lot is still on the same situation. It's a pothole. I'm not getting income. It's not getting upgrade. It seems like we are going backwards instead of a walking forward. This is stressful to me because like I told you I'm fighting cancer and this is more stressful than having a relapse on cancer. I get more upset and more stressful when I open emails from you guys that when I open my phone and I see that the cancer keeps going up. Believe me, a more stressful lab with your emails than from the Mayo Clinic. So, we need to work something and agree on something. There is there has to be something in the middle for both to agree something to look good. I've been trying to plant the trees up six months ago, but then I was told, "No, I'm willing. I'm on the best disposition, but you guys tie my hands. What do you have to say to that, Dana? Right.

When Mr. said that is going to be a problem on the highway. No, because I'm planning on doing like a flower bench. So there is there is no there is going to be no runs on the highway. How about the the racks right here on the by the turquoise building? I forgot what's the name. There are racks there. One day I went to the store and I got one rack. I I always I always have sandals. I got one rack and I it almost cut me. Those are rocks, not the ones that are on my property. I understand that we want to control the dust, but not at 120 or $110,000. Like I told you, I did my math and the rent that I'm charging Circle K, it will take 30 years to pay that as well. But now telling them not to park there in circing rent is going to take 40. Maybe my grandkids are going to see any rent but not me. I can't believe that. No, maybe the city can pay me with half of the cost and happy. Everyone can be happy. The city pays for happy. I I I think I can get a 50,000 loan if the city is uh willing to pay the other half. What do you think? You can put that on the agenda to be discussed.

Why not? Everything's possible. I'll defer Madam Chair. This is not a discussion on topic. you have any volume of traffic and types of surfacing I think

because this is specifically we asked them to give us alternatives so it isn't specifically for your piece of property although obviously everyone cares about it including us but we're we're really not here to provide that and I am going to say I don't know a whole bunch about it but the city can't if the city were to split the split it with you, then everyone in their planet would come and say the city is supposed to split everything. So that is probably not going to be an option. So madam chair, it it would be illegal for us to pay a private individual to develop their private property for profit.

So it is against that. And to go out of this, just when I was listening to what Dana is saying and everything, not only do you have the city you're dealing with, you're dealing with AOT. And ADOT's probably going to be way worse than the city even dreamed to be in. So they're, you know, they're going to have to approve whatever happens. And if it doesn't fit within what they're going to allow come out on that highway, then then the city probably can't even influence that. So, you know, you have more than just the city, unfortunately, that you've got to to get past on this. Yes. Unfortunately, being on the highway like that, I wish if I could move that piece of property to Miami or Superior, if I wouldn't have this headache. Well, I Yes,

you probably would. Especially with AOT because A dot A dot's the same on all the way through both cities. So, you're going to still have the A dot problem no matter where you are. So, then what's going to be the status of this uh case? Well, I I believe what they're saying is maybe if you do a traffic study and show and prove, you know, have show empirical, you know, data that shows how many vehicles are there. What I just I just told them how many I've been checking everything, you know, and I and I recognize that and and Debbie said that she's seen three or four there and I see truck. I mean, we've all we've all seen stuff there, but that isn't probably what the city can work

in and out for a soda and the delivery trucks just parked. I like the gas truck they park on the other side. I've been watching that and it's like I don't know why because the pipe is closer to the Okay. Mhm. But it's not a high traffic. There are other there are many gas stations that are busier than that one. Madam Chair. Yes sir. So, so the applicant or the uh there is an existing CUP that requires asphalt as part of the current code. Yes,

we here are trying to find some flexibility um some options bringing forward a code uh modification of the code for alternative services through the process P&Z public hearings council action implementing that code. At that time, I believe that the applicant can can then come and reapply and take advantage of whatever new code is put in place by the city. But it but at this point, we she has an existing CUP and and until something changes within our city code, um it's it's static other than some of the other issues that that I don't know as much about. But but that is why we're here. We I think everyone saw the need for some some alternative options. Uh it's the commission does. I think the council does. I think the city does. And so we're trying to put that in place, but it takes time. And and soon we will we will have resolution as to what's going to change. And and I urge you to um to to look forward to that time if there is changes in the code and then you can come and ask for modifications of your cup. Okay, I had asked about then a lot of people has asked why across the street the restaurant is that and I was told is continuous juice. So help me understand that because they have changed ownerships names. I have been the owner for 18 years. Circle K has been circle K for I've been here 35 year years and circle K was there. to me is continuous use too because it's been used for the same purpose.

I think we talked about this at the last meeting as well and there wasn't a contract in place to prove the continuous use of it as a business purpose. If you do have that documentation, then that would be what you could present to the city because I feel like we talked about I already sent them I got a I got a yearbook. Yeah, I think there was more to it than that. approval. It's never been acknowledged. It's like you try to deal with your neighbors and park their RV in your backyard. You know, it could be illegal. We don't know. It's never been approved or authorized

because I already I already sent yearbooks and comments from people that say I bought the It used to be a car dealership that say the same way it is right now. And people say, "Oh, I bought my car in 1977." So, I took a screenshots, highlight, and email them. You say you got my email then I got a yearbook from 1977 from the chamber of commerce and I send them that. So there is proof that it's been like that that was accepted. In fact I remember that from the meeting talking about that it was a business back when it was a car dealership but then after the car dealership left that's the point that's from then

1977 is a long time ago to try to call that continuous use. what it's been a then I send them the lease from the previous owner before me. I send them the list that is been used for the same purpose and then I send them my old lease and the new lease and it's been always the same for customers to park go in and out.

So uh anyone else wants to talk? I don't want to take much time. Well, yeah, there's other there's other and oh the last thing um I heard that the wheelchair there is no way that someone is going to park on that side and go on a wheelchair that is parking in front of Circle K. If someone is on wheelchair, they're not going to come on that dirt lot and have all the hassle. That's pretty standard codes though for any parking lot. There's going to be handicap parking. So, and and if it was there, it would probably be used. So, I would say that's code that that you're not going to be able to change, I don't believe. Well, the handicap is in the front of the store. Yeah. Okay. Thank you for listening.

Thank you so much. Okay. Uh Tina,

when you get to the podium, please state your name and address. Teen Andrew's 434 South Hill Street and 529 South High Street. So, are you guys going to go through the whole city and do this to all the dirt lots that are next to businesses? If someone comes in looking to pave it and move on, the code the code is to to to do it. Now, the continuous use, it's not going to happen. I believe the last meeting they said the county that big lot that that was out of Yeah, that that's in we're dealing with that

and that. So, I mean that there are there are things that even the county's getting told that they've got to clean up their their lot. So, it it's code and and I know everyone really thinks codes are a horrible thing, but the and right up until something moves in next door to your house that you hate and then all of a sudden you're going to wish there was codes, right? Like the Hill Street school apartments, right? That that was a terrible debacle that didn't get a traffic study done until after it was already built. So, why is why is she having to get a traffic study before she even plants a tree first and foremost? Um and and a traffic study is is you know if it's so important to have done previous to any planting, building grading, any of that, then why wasn't it done for the Hill Street School Apartments?

Ma'am, that was a request for me to ask if it had ever been viewed because I didn't have any previous information. This hasn't been standardized for some places to do. So that was a question for me to get answered for what I had thinking in my head with regards to overflow parking. has nothing to do with Hill Street School or anybody else or anything along those lines. That was specific to Miss Turel's property. Correct. Right. So, I'm asking why does she need to get a traffic study initially? I didn't say she had to get one. What I asked was had there been anybody who had done that previously. Why would there be? If the Hill Street School Apartments didn't need to do it until after the build was already done, then why would it be even a acceptable question to think that she had it done?

I am not sure. Is that true that they didn't do a traffic study before the Hill Street building after it was already built? Sir, that's why they had to expedite the stop signs and flashing things. Conspiracy theories to me. So, I mean, did that really happen? The we did I can only speak to the traffic study that arose after the completion of the um of the building and and it was asked because of the line of sight. And so that was that was the request and and and the traffic study was not a parking study and not it was about um what is the safest configuration for that intersection. And now sir did you wind up waving the traffic study before the build was done because the council

I say I I was the one pardon me I was the one that asked about the traffic study and I think that was mainly because of the number of cars as I was thinking of travel because typically looking at like alternative pavement methods like decomposed granite compacted. It can only handle a certain number. It's documented to only be able to handle certain number of cars per day with a really high level of expensive maintenance to keep it to that standard. And so part of what I believe our committee has to do, our commission has to do is if we start to look at something like the alternative method, we still have to say it has to be maintained in the long term if we approve these types of things. We have to do that with all different types of things, whether it's a fence going up or whatever it might be. Typically we have about maintenance being included. So I was just curious on if there was anything on traffic studies that we may for future as to when we may approve when we may not approve using decompos

and we'll defer that city that's conversation with.

I came here today to have a a conversation with you. So, it would be it would make it would make a lot more sense if if everything was being able to be understood or heard online. However, you guys have this constant audio distortion where you can't hear anything that you say, Dana, at all. Period. Online. The only way that we have to view this is by YouTube. Paul Jeepson, I wound up giving you the notice what on May 28th, 2024 um about the audio distortion. You said what? The underwater sound that's been corrected. I even have it up here right now on my video. and you wound up saying that, you know, it was going to be looked after and it would have been, you know, worked out and and yet it's still a a constant game to hear you guys on

and I'll speak up on that because I have complained about it a lot too and this right here and what's in front of you was an attempt to do it and it didn't fix it and and I've had that conversation with the mayor as well. So that is all of you guys fine. Well, that's cuz we're sitting in the same room. Whenever he speaks, you can even hear it in here. It's obviously, yeah, except buzzing an echo that is outrageous and you can't hear anything online. It would be different if there was a way to log into a Zoom meeting and actually see what you guys are passing, but I feel like you guys are not you guys specifically, but I feel like Dana and Paul Json, I feel like you guys are selling out the city and not even giving us the opportunity to hear it.

We're trying to resolve an issue and find a common ground for that. So, that's something that you can bring up, I think, with maybe another complaint if you would like to. But, sacrifice here. Well, yeah. And I will say, Dana, can you go back to what what our steps are here and where where we're, you know, the the advertisement and and show that what where we're trying to head to is what we're trying to head to is being able to hear hear things online. That is not the subject of tonight's meeting, but it is a very valid complaint and I have made multiple times whenever I wound up complaining and and writing a written complaint giving the ARS. So really everything that Dana has partaked in it should be re-recorded. So

like we should get we should have the ample opportunity as citizens of this community to go ahead and and hear what's what's going on and not just what you guys want to to you know put out there. So madam chair I'd be a after the meeting be happy to have a conversation about the that's what you said last time was that that's what you said last time whenever you guaranteed that it wasn't going to happen again. the underwater supposed. I'm offering I'm offering to meet with you after the meeting and not interrupt their time and we can have a conversation about the speakers on the ceiling.

You already did whenever I gave you that notice on Wednesday, May 28th, 2024. Anybody can look up the meeting. It was at the very very end. I was the last comment and you had agreed to talk to me at the end blah blah blah and it wound up not being resolved. I think it was resolved for what one meeting after that. But every s ever every every time that Dana has part in any of your guys' meetings, he's unable to be heard or understood. And I don't disagree. And I will say that that he could we could say that we'll have it fixed by the next meeting. You know, it's not going to happen because it the city's got to go through budget stuff. They got to buy it. They got to do it. And I complain every single time I listen to it on YouTube. And maybe he needs to be in person then. If he's literally making codes on the books, right?

He's not making codes. He Okay, please. He's not. those steps right there. We're in the we're in the process actually here trying to make code that you're participating in it and I it's not although I'm not sure that you're adding anything but complaints about the speakers right now. Community literally had no input on it. They can't have any input on it because they can't understand what he's saying from this meeting or the last meeting. So I don't feel as though it should go through. None of the ordinances should go through if the community cannot have a say. Okay. Thank you. You've had you've had your say. Thank you. You've had your say. Thank you. And then and Paul, please talk to her. I will follow up after the meeting. Thank you. I appreciate it because this is not come up here every single meeting just so that way I can hear and make sure that you guys aren't sliding some things on the slide.

Okay. Well, no one's trying to slide anything in on you and we're here at every meeting, too. So, feeling fairly personal right now. Okay. Uh Alexandra White said, "Okay, what a conspiracy theory." It's not a conspiracy theory. Please, please. You've had your time to speak.

Alexander White, 175 East Lane, Globe, Arizona 85501. I have questions about the topic um of today's meeting, including the amount of traffic that goes in and out of a particular area. You are talking about mirrored parking lots, right? Yet the far side of the parking lot is not anywhere near what Yolanda is having to go through right now. My neighborhood in general, there is a giant UPS facility frequently used for their large business trucks, diesels to park there while they're across from Circle K, as well as reservation members who choose to hold their marches that go through town that start at that specific building. Now, my question is, how are you going to determine the amount of use for each of the properties? Is it going to be on a case-byase basis? Are there going to be a certain number of cars that are allowed or aren't allowed? And is it going to pertain to every um dirt lot business that there is?

So, right now, as the code stands, none of that comes into play. There's already a code that says how commercial buildings and parking lots of that sort need to be paved. What we're doing here tonight is trying to explore alternatives. And as we research it, traffic patterns, traffic volume may or may not come into play with uh any amendments to the code. But right now, there's none of that that comes into play with deciding how uh a parking lot needs to be covered because it's already the existing code. May I ask why it was discussed in your slides then if it's not something that directly pertains

because we because we asked for it. We asked for alternatives because we didn't like the idea on the alternatives. I'm speaking on the fact that there will be tracked traffic within specific areas. You're telling me that may not apply. If it doesn't apply, then why was it addressed in tonight's meeting? Tonight's meeting is part of our research process to determine whether or not amendments to the code will be made. So everything that they're presenting is part of the research that we ask them to do so that we could explore alternatives which at a later time you'll determine the standards for what is or isn't adequate vehicle traffic for each of the businesses.

Not necessarily. So again, this is just a research process. We may or may not make any adjustments to the code. We don't yet because in truth we haven't we are just starting the research process

in the event that that research is just starting why has Yolanda had to devastate designate so much time I mean she is an upstanding citizen she's great to every member in the community but why is she in the position she's in knowing there's a brand new bank being built next door so my question is it seems as though to the public that this business was foreshadowed and now her standards are set to be met to offer overflow parking to a business that wasn't there prior.

I don't I don't know about that um because I I can't speak to that as a commission member. I can speak to what's presented to the public as a member of the public who could speak on that if it has to get approved for the building to be built. Political way of saying that's just an idea that's not founded. So what I'm trying or not? It's not an idea. It's a basis and I'm asking you a direct question. Would you like an answer to your question or would you like to just say your Well, it depends because you're telling me you're giving me partial answer but you're not giving me direct. That is exactly what you said. Why don't you state your opinion instead?

Sure. My opinion is that this was prior set up when the city decided to pass the bank being built and knew they were going to need overflow parking. I've heard so much about needing handicap parking for Circle K all the way across their lot. The bank is even smaller and they're fine with their handicap parking the way that it is. I'm not understanding. Well, and I honestly have this is the first time I've heard anyone saying it's overflow parking for the bank. It's always been several K. So, that's a totally different but it's really not. If you put practicality into it, the way that the events fell in order, it is justifiable thought to believe that that is how it was set. So So

Pardon, I can't hear him. I'm sorry. Honestly, Dana, I couldn't understand that either. parking and circle K was not because the overflow needs to adapt to handicap standards was built at a time in the 80s and on on that note I would also like to address that you sir I apologize I don't know your name question and you've interrupted them while they're trying to answer you sure I have something called short question may I answer your question first I didn't ask you a question I'm going to tell you anyways through ADA Okay. Okay. I have needs through the Americans with Disabilities. Madam Chair, please gavvel this person out of order. Okay. I'm sorry.

You can step down. So, how do I file an ADA complaint for my medical health issues that require me to address things as they're thought? Please explain. Thank you. Please sit down. How am I supposed to How am I supposed to sit down? Where do I file my ADA complaint? You can go online to the You can go online to the City of Globe and you can file complaint with us. You can file with the police department or you can Google it and and talk to whoever you want to, but please leave the podium and file the complaint. I plan to Okay. Thank you for your hospitality.

Madam Chair, I do have a a comment or a request on on text that I'd like to read. Okay. This is from uh Adria Ricky at 734 Cactus. And Adria asks what uh does she need to do to prove continued use? You are saying the place across the street is continue because someone has already because someone has always owned it from one place to the next. She has continuously owned it and it hasn't changed purpose since she purchased. So what exactly is she to do to show continued use and get the same consideration? someone has already be to the next. She has continuously owned it since she purchased. So what continued useeration?

So thank you. So in and this is kind of off topic. We already talked about it again. It's the commission if you'd like to have Dana respond one more time or just it's it's a repetitive question. Dana, if you if you could as clearly as you could please explain what we consider continued use and why we don't we why the city says they don't have proof that it's continued use.

Yes. Because as of 198 when our new code was adopted, we did not have record of any use on that property. The code allows for parking lots only with an approved conditional use permit. So there was never an established use after the auto sales stopped. We have no record of any other people and coming through it and that's not that would require a permit. So that's how it is not a contin [Music] all you want has nothing to do with ownership. It has to do with an established use on the property like the restaurants that we have that have that don't have parking and other but they've been in operation and used for continuous period. That's the difference. If that was continued use, it could remain and continue to be used in perpetuity. We just never have an established use when record from the city that has been established as a county that has been assessed as anything but land. So we don't have anything showing any of that use for the property. Dana just

maybe questionify the best way to say it. So essentially this property is commercial property. It hasn't had a permit to operate commercial property. So therefore is a vacant lot that is a commercial property. Right. So therefore all commercial properties must be safe if they're operating. Correct. At some time if it's operating, as long as it met the code at the time it started operation, then they're what they call grand. That's why the business across the street, they have had a basically a permit for a restaurant some point

establish registered with the county well before 1998. And I think what she presented in the last meeting was essentially the city's I think it's six or 12 months or something like that. non use is considered a lapse at that point. Correct. Okay. I just want to make sure I know it's a little confusing. So it's not necessarily the use it is more so the fact that permitted to be here as a commercial property for commercial use. Yes.

Correct. So if you're parking a car on that parking lot for parking lot just because you park and we have everywhere but that doesn't mean that's lawfully establish.

Thank you, Dana. Chairman, if you don't mind me asking one more question. So, essentially our next step is we need to have initial comments to give you either comment today or we could potentially submit additional comments in the next couple days and direct you to putting together some draft text amendment language for these alternative payment methods if we're interested in it. I'm sorry, Justin. I didn't I didn't catch that.

Okay, no worries. So, essentially I just wanted to clarify trying to figure out our next step. So, essentially at this point we have the ability to either give you some more direction today or do we have the opportunity to kind of review this a little bit more from that presentation and then send some comments. But if we direct to go start preparing some draft text amendment language based on what we saw today. That way we can we can really understand how it may impact our community a little more. That would be essentially our next step. Agreed. Do you agree Dana?

Like your next steps that are listed if we say okay this is what we want to do. The direction of the staff is to to start prepare preparing the draft text amendment language and and preparing notification to the public so that they can do their public comment for two weeks and so on. So that's where we are right now. And I apologize microphone

correct. So any direction we have on you like staff move forward and prepare test amendment that's nuance that you feel to be discussed to discuss or direct staff will move forward.

Okay. So if there's other people want to speak some that have already spoken the the this is what we've got where we are right now. We direct them to move forward. We can certainly hear what everyone has to say, but it's not we're not you're not changing anything. We can't change the asphalt part of it right now because your CUP is already accepted with the asphalt, but giving these these uh alternatives that may or may not work for your lot. Keeping in mind that A DOT also is involved in this and it's not just the city that you're going to be angry with probably that we can we can listen and hear what you say, but you're you can't change anything where we are right now until we go through these next steps. So, if you Yolanda, would you like to come up and and say what you thought of that you'd like to add, please? Okay. I forgot to mention um I am way more concerned about the accidents that that bank is going to cause because that street is already busy. Coming down Blake Street is a nightmare. I Sometimes I just go like towards globe come and turn around. If I'm going towards fries, it's a nightmare. So how about instead of a demanding asphalt, why don't the city or a whoever is in charge put a light? That will save so many accidents and so many lives. I'm pretty sure in the whole town should agree with me because it's a congested uh street.

I think there's a light 30t away. Yeah, but uh we need one more there because it's like like if you are I don't know if you're familiar with Black Street if you are going down sometime you have to and I think that would be a topic for madam chair for another conversation. It's it's an important safety topic. Um and and there is restrictions on how many lights can be placed and it's a state decision. That's an AOT decision. That wouldn't be the city. And a traffic study would be necessary.

It would have been that great if they would have done it before building the bank because it's like now it's like if it's hard to get out of Blake Street now it's going to be harder. And Mr. Jeepson, you say something about the old statue or code. So my property is grandfather because the grandfather law is since 1998 and that property is been in use since probably 1960. Okay. Because we talked about legal non-conforming twice already

and yours is not qualified as legal non-conforming use. Well, I didn't understood what you say because you say if it's an old statue, then my property applies to that. Okay. I I said you have an existing cup that that you can act upon, but you may want to wait until there's changes in the code and then you can reapply. And how long is going to take my question? That was the the next steps I think were spelled out fairly. Dana, can you put the next steps up one more time for us, please? Keep those up.

Yeah. If when when when when if if if there are changes proposed and and council approves those and they go into the process, then now the code is has another option that you can take advantage of through the cup process. Okay. So, I'm going to be praying harder. I guess I'm going to add two more rosaries to my daily prayers. Okay.

I hope that works. Okay. Let's have uh Joanne since we've not heard from you yet. Good. Good evening. My name is Joanne Muddy Orum. I live on 430 West Uclid Avenue. I'm listening to everybody talk about the lot. I was I was not born here in Globe, but I've been here since 1954. I've always knew that Mr. Healey had that lot. It was an empty lot. It was a sales lot. And then after that, I worked at the mines for many years. I parked my vehicle on that lot. I don't know what's going on now with our community. What's happening with our community? There was never complaints. There was never nothing. Now, this poor lady doesn't have the means and the money to pay for everything that you guys are asking. You know, it seems like we don't count. I live on Uklit Avenue. And I'm going to tell you something. I've come to city council meetings. I have asked you guys too about speed bumps. Nothing ever happens. But this poor lady has a lot over there trying to do something good. And the city seems like she doesn't count in my books. And I think a lot of us older people here in Globe feel the same way. I don't know where you're from, but I'm an Arizona native and I'm from here and this is my community. So, I think you all have to I understand that man has his steps up there, but the end of the day, we're the voters and we will find out more and we'll try to help this lady with what she has to go through. It's not right.

That's all I have to say. Thank you. question. So, um, let me see here. So, you said a cup. What is that? Conditional use permit. Okay. And is that is that what you guys spell out in the uh pre-development meeting? Is that what you would get there essentially or how?

So, so the CUP is conditional use permit that came to the the planning and zoning commission and was proposed and adopted by the planning and zoning commission that allows a plan for the use of the property when it's not by right use.

And what we did when we did that was explain to her that our only option was to approve that or then she could go to the city council and and argue with them if we said no against trying to force her to do asphalt. But then we directed the staff to do what what they've done here and what they presented to try to find alternatives, not only hopefully to be less expensive for her, but also better for the planet and just everything in in general. So she has an existing CUP that right now says it has to be asphalt. If we go through these steps and come up with something that ends up being an alternative that might be more affordable and more something that she can maintain easier, then she can come in and and request another cup and we can do it and then she can move forward with the lot. But right now, she's got asphalt and that's what we that's all we can do until we do a text amendment and fix the code to give her options.

Okay. Now, did she apply for that asphalt? Yes. No, she didn't apply for asphalt, but she applied to to to use it as a commercial parking lot to be able to make money, which is a good thing from Circle K as a lease. And so once she put that, excuse me, once she put that into that mode, well, then it goes into into code. So it's she came to you guys and said, "This is what I want." She came to us personally. Yeah. But it's to the city. Yes. Okay. And then you guys said, "If you want to do it this way, then this is how you need to do it. This is what the code said. You have you have to do it because the code says this." and we said, well, we said we're not happy that the code limits it to only that option. Please give us other options and that's what this meeting is actually about.

Okay. So, so she came to you guys, right? Not you guys specifically, but the city of Globe. And the city of Globe said that these are the requirements, right? Yes. Now, are those are going to be the requirements for every Yes. Anyone coming in with something new, unless it's got something grandfathered in, such as the restaurant across the street. Yeah. And I don't believe I don't I don't believe this has anything to do with the bank. It's just a coincidence that that the bank's going in across the street. So, I don't think it has anything to do with that. She she contacted the city if I tell me if I'm wrong and about creating this as a as a commercial parking lot, being able to lease it out, and then that put it into the mode to where she has to meet code.

Now, okay, now correct me if I'm wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong, but she had it blocked off for a while, right? And so really because she had it blocked off, that was whenever you guys gave a citation. I And I hate to go into the citation uh history on this. It's way off topic because you guys went to hers. What I'm going So So if you guys went to her and required her to do something instead of coming to you guys,

I'm not prepared to to go through the history of of the contact with the city meeting by meeting by meeting. It's not relevant to this. If you'd like to meet afterward, I we can we can definitely walk you through that, but I but I don't think it's a good use of the time to go back back and forth on on the site the code history and enforcement at this time.

Question about the cup and the PDM basically. Well, yeah, but that but I've answered that the C is in place until we until hopefully we offer an option that that's more affordable for we so we can move forward and take the pressure off of her and and make it look nicer and make it safe so it's not dragging rocks out into the road and so on and so forth. But the whole purpose of this meeting is to let the public start seeing what what staff has come up with for alternatives and then we have our steps here of what's going to go on. There's plenty more com, you know, public comment in a couple weeks. They get to have public comment again with planning and zoning. They get to have public comment again with city council. The city, you know, we're trying to listen to everyone do it. But you have to have some kind of code. And I'll say it again, everyone hates codes right up until something ugly moves in next door to them because elementary school.

So, Right. Well, yeah. You know, housing needed to happen and that's also off topic. Of course it is. So, the uh Of course it is. Yeah. So the uh if if Globe and Hila County both have no record of of uh of record, then it is it retroactive regulations then? I mean because if you guys don't even have this on on record yet?

No, there there there is no legally non-conforming because the word legally means we have a record. Since there's no record, then it's not legal. So it's not qualifying as legally non-conforming. So, I'll just go ahead and rewatch that later and and and re and process that later. Uh, so let me go with this one. So, whenever Dana and I I know he already left. He already left the meeting. Uh, he's still there. He's still there. Hey, Dana. Yeah. No.

Okay, there you go. So, whenever you speak, right? Just last thing I'm going to say on that. Whenever you speak, it's different. But whenever uh Justin and Tom both speak, you're I can hear them clearly. So, if we could just go ahead and switch the speakers to whatever one th those two uh people are using in the the Zoom chat, that would be great. Um but as of right now, it really seems like the audio is intentionally distorted just to cover up what you're saying. So under the recommendation that Dana have a different microphone speaker [Music] I've answered the question. Yeah Dana

Dana it's handled speaker [Music] Dana you're okay. It's just a fun game. I know. I know. So, I didn't know that. It's already been answered. Yeah. Asked an answer. You play too many games. Too many games. Okay. If there's if there's anything new that actually pertains to what we're discussing right now, then otherwise, let us move on to our next steps, which is asking this the staff,

directing the staff to start uh preparing the draft text amendment language, and then everything starts moving forward. And we do. Nothing unfortunately goes fast with the government and I don't ever doesn't matter which which entity of the government you're ever dealing with. Everyone has to just unfortunately be patient while this works its way out. Hopefully we come up with an alternative that Yolanda can use that I'm I'm with you. I hope for you that we come up with an alternative and that's what our our whole purpose here is to try to take care of the community even though you know it feels like no one believes we're doing that but that's really what we're trying to do. It feels like it feels like anybody that gets a citation should definitely not even attend your PDMs because that's where the cup is actually associated to.

Okay. Once once again, that's off that's off topic. So, we're that's that's a public a public notice. Just don't attend any of your meetings without an attorney because otherwise you wind up getting sucked into certain regulations that you have to abide by. And for the most part, everybody that's gone past that parking lot for months now has seen that she was actually blocking it off. And then that's whenever the citation happened. So in reality, I feel like like you guys are are like you said, Paul Jeffson, right at 10:30 at night, you guys have not condemned a property in 30 years because that's when you know just compensation is paid. You guys don't pay just compensation, which aka that's How are we talking about condemnation? This is I do not

Thank you. Thank you, Tina. Just offering just compensation. Tina, appreciate it. We appreciate your comments. Thank you. So do we all have anything else we want to say? Justin wants to say something. Yeah, Justin.

Yeah, I was just I want to make sure everybody's clear that we are members of the community. We're here with you and this is not necessarily our code. Actually, it's not our code. This is a code that was adopted by a council in 1998 and we don't like it. I can tell you our staff is is not in love with the moment and that's why we are going through and we are trying to make this change because we see this as an issue and we see that we don't want all of not exactly what we're looking for. What we do want to make sure we have is a nice safe clean community that serves our people best. And that's why we're going through and we're trying to make this this change

because we we don't we want something different, right? We don't we're not trying to do what has said. So, I just want to make sure that's very clear everybody. We're not trying to attack anybody. We have to follow what this council put forward for us and adopted in 1998. That's a minute ago. Um, and we are tasked with doing that, unfortunately, with with upkeeping that. And now we're trying to make some changes to make it better for our community.

And it's certainly not it's certainly not personal with Yolanda. It just is unfortunate that you're this one thing has brought you into the middle of this. So, it's it's not personal. And Justin, I think just summed it up perfectly that we we're we're stuck with what we've got and we're trying to we're trying to change it. Well, and Madam Chair, there there is a lot we have a list of many things that we are think need to be updated and made more current and and this will keep the PN P&Z commission very busy. Um and and each each change is a process that has hearings here, a public hearing, uh a time period for comment. This is very open, very transparent because that's what we want to do. uh PE when people see issue after issue coming forward because we're now at that point where we're trying to improve our code, improve our city, make it more compatible, and make it more modern for and for what we we all uh determine that we need. So, so it's a a long process, a lot of work, and and we'll get the bugs out of the sound system.

Yeah, that that really is that's that's a problem. No, we we hear that serious problem. Okay. So then I'm going to say that I would like to direct the staff this evening to prepare the draft text amendment language so we can start moving on our next steps. So with that I'm going to say is there anyone else Shel that's got anything to say? Any other texts or anything? Any other public comment? All right. Well then then I would say that the next thing we need to talk about is future agenda items and scheduling of meetings. Which by the way the reason it was on Thursday night tonight was because I believe it was Justin that couldn't do Wednesday night. So, it wasn't moved because for any nefarious reasons.

Well, yeah. And no, we I I like I say, the Thursday night meeting tonight was to accommodate uh people who wanted to appear in person uh here. Also, as I recall, uh it was more compatible with that. And so, so that was a request to try and of the city trying to be as flexible as possible for those people who want to participate. Uh and and you know we can't do it all the time but I think in this case it would warranted to do that. Uh but traditionally Wednesday nights are our nights and um you know so we'll move forward with our Wednesday night schedule.

All right. So so obviously our next Well, maybe it's not our next agenda item. Dana, do we have anything that's that we might be doing before we hear from you back on the uh text amendment language? Madam Chair, as of now, I you know, we're getting a lot of applications. Just have to see where they're at in the process. Uh but I don't have anything, I don't think, for in two weeks for your next uh meeting. But uh if you recall, we do have uh solicitation out for public input on occupations. And uh once we get and that'll close in two weeks, so probably in a month from now, we'll have uh some we'll be following back up on that topic.

All right. We do we so we've extended you received my email uh for comments to yesterday but we've extended that for another two weeks. So if you do see anything you want to talk about any or have any comment please shoot it my way and uh we're compiling home occations compiling that information. Okay Dana with that said let me hang on one second. Alexandra can you you also had a card and you wanted to talk about the home occupation. It's not agenda tonight. It's not. All right.

So, so this on the agenda, we spoke to our attorney tonight. This portion is for conversation between staff and you because nothing has been agendaized. The the communication for future agenda items is for you to ask questions about what we can add on the agenda and staff to get enough detail so that we can properly present that. But is it is not a is not legal to have a a conversation wi-i with anybody speaking to that other than what do we need to know to to so that you can communicate to staff so they can best serve you and and I think we've done that on on the home business and that's as far as we can go.

Okay. So then if she has comments she needs to just make them directly like send email text at some other time not here. So, I will I I will say this that the the the process of the parking uh parking lot text amendment and and home business will be the same with a a presentation here, a second presentation, a text amendment, a public outreach. It'll go to council. Council will make any adjustments, a public hearing there. So, there will be many many future opportunities to talk about a home businesses that that will go through the process. Okay.

May I ask a question? And I know if you're on Facebook, I believe the city posted a way to provide com. I just have a question to review your last presentation draft language and provide comment and that way we can tabulate and then Okay. Thank you. But can you come up here please because Yeah, because we can't there's no way we can hear you if you're talking.

I don't know what she just had. Let her ask her question. Okay. And Uh my question is in regard to the um paper that we were given and number two says future agenda items and we also have papers that say up there we can do a public call that we'd like to speak about on the next agenda. But what you're telling me sir is I can't do that because I have to wait until you or whomever decide what is going to go out and we can't before

it's honestly the law, right? I mean there this it's a law. This is we're following the law. So the you're the what he just said was there's going to be an opportunity multiple opportunities for you to do it then you Facebook and so I think the clarification the sheet that we use in the back

is we use that for all meetings and in the city council meeting we have a inter we have a first call to the public and a second call to the public and those are wide openen conversations where you would be able to respond or ask about that but in in the PNZ agenda we do not have a a call to the public where it's a wide openen conversation for any member of the public to do that. You could now you could go to the city council meeting and a call the public ask about and reference something to to the PNZ but but currently our practice historically is to not have a call to the public at the uh on the PNZ agenda. Go ahead. Um you did mention that it was law, but where can I find that if you don't mind me asking?

Um I I think there there's open bean law there. Um it would it would be under any type of it's not Robert Jules's order but the uh Arizona state statutes uh have that but you can see that call to the public is an option. it is not required to have on there. And um the the fact that that we so the a quick Okay, a quick explanation. It's if you bring up a topic in a in a public setting and and let's say you're you're talking about um a fence and there's a neighbor there and you're saying, "Hey, this fence has a problem." And you're talking about the neighbor and then we have a conversation and we're all like, "Well, we're talking about this fence." but the neighbor was not notified legally 24 hours in advance that his fence was going to be discussed and it's unfair to have that conversation. So, a call to the public is a is a one-way conversation because we cannot respond and that's how it is in a council meeting. I it if everything we talk about, people who have an interest in it or may be impacted by it should have a right to know 24 hours in advance so they can make arrangements to come here and respond to that. Um and and we've been skating on on the agenda was was about future law for changes and we've been going in many different directions but but at some point we have to be very careful that we don't go too far a field of what the agenda is but but specifically to the future agenda items. This is a this is a a limited conversation and not open for a wide ranging back and forth conversation. Would it be possible to have that noted on the next time instead of just saying future agenda items which would be the agenda items that will be discussed by you all at the next event?

Yeah, I I I would like that recommendation just to be heard because my intent on coming here today one was to speak on behalf of Yolanda and the things that I feel that are going on that are unjust there. My second reason for coming today is I do have a very important call to the public based on information the city of Globe already let out. Okay. Which means I'm So then that would be the next city council meeting. May I please please you're you're trying to back door into No, sir. I'm not. May I finish, please? I was asked to step down because I interrupted. I've respected you. Can you please respect my time as well? Okay. All right. So So you have a technical question. That's fine.

Sir, I'm talking please. I'm being so kind. I respected what she said. I have not interrupted at all. Okay. But I'd like to get my what I'm saying out as it's my time to speak and please hopefully it's appropriate. It is very appropriate and it entirely pertains as I'm saying if I have something that I need to call to action and the page is saying future agenda items but that's for us correct. But here's my thing online the city of Globe themselves posted that there are things going into place and the first thing said it has to be done through a call to action. I'm not. So, I filled out a form for a call to action.

I'm sorry. And that's completely off topic again. So, so Dana, you've got the direction for the staff. Okay. Say after and we can talk. Okay. Yes. I would love to show it to you. But as I asked in the future, would it just be considered to like it pertains to this specific meeting only so I'm not like misconstrued on what I'm reading and it's clear and and that may be a fair announcement we could we could do. Thank you. But but say after we can talk. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm I'm so sorry, but we do have another. You do have one. Okay, let's hear it.

This is from Lan Rickett from 244 South Second Street. Um, if the property is along the ADOT jurisdiction, will the city provide the ordinance from the state along with the proposals so that the citizens are aware that any ordinance being proposed is in compliance with the state? Uh, is there a possibility ordinance along ADOT could be different than other parts of the city? Perhaps Dana could include that in whatever he's Yeah, Dana, maybe on when when you're preparing this, can we get what A DOT's requirements ballpark what their requirements might be or No.

Uh, yes. And yeah, we have staff that were engineers for ADOT. They could probably explain that. That's excellent. And and again, not for tonight, but for that future meeting where we shall discuss the uh the text amendment. Right. Correct. All right. So, do we have for our personal the as the commission future agenda items? Are we ready to schedule anything yet or are you guys just going to let us know when when you are ready?

Uh yeah, let's reach out. We'll try and get something before you in two weeks. But you'll you'll know by next week or um Yes. But definitely uh your first meeting in let's see that would be your first meeting on the 3rd of September. We might be able to get someone on the agenda. Is everybody available by chance? Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Yes. Justin, you available on September 3rd? Yeah, I can right now. Yeah, we have both.

Okay. So, so if if September 3rd uh works out, Dana, it sounds like we're all available. Very good. I'll reach out. Very good. I think we discussed for our one after this one, we were going to look at the landscape code elements that had been started with council. Yes. And uh so we have Linda and Paul I know listening they're aware I did follow up from our conversation so um maybe we'll have that on the agenda but I that u from the project manager so I'll I'll pursue that. Thank you. Okay. Yes. Not a problem. I knew we weren't here this morning. So

thank you Dana. Thanks Dana. All right. Does uh anyone else have anything else to say? Do I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. I second. Motion uh to adjourn. Uh second. All those in favor say I. I. I. All in favor or against? Nay. Motion passes. Thank you.