Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Shel, would you do roll call, please? Thank you, Madam Chair. Okay. Chairman Tracy Clip here. Vice Chair Mary Lowry, present. Commissioner Justin Oerto, present. Commissioner Art Warren, present. Commissioner Debbie Cox present. Madam Chair, we have a quorum of the planning and zoning commission. Very good. Okay. So, our first item of business, we've got to run through some quick uh paperwork stuff that we need to do. So, we need to approve some minutes and then we'll get into why everyone's here. So, our first one is going to be consideration approve the March 6, 2024 meeting minutes. I move to approve the March 6, 2024 meeting minutes. I I have one question and I just accidentally got in there, Shel, that the meeting was canceled due to lack of quorum on the front page underneath the attending staff and I think that just got in but we we we ended up having a quorum. So you did so that was just Okay, Madam Chair, thank you. I will I will uh Okay, cool. I've got a motion and a second. All in favor say I. I opposed. Nay. Eyes have it. Okay, now we're going on to approval of Let's just go this is easier. Consideration to approve April 3rd, 2024 meeting minutes. Motion to approve as written. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Eyes have it. Consideration to approve April 17th, 2024 meeting minutes. Motion to approve as written. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I motion to approve. Lastly, consideration to approve the November 20th, 2024 meeting minutes. I'll make a motion to approve. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those

in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. Approved. Thank you. Okay. Now, why we are all here? public hearing and consideration of a request for conditional use permit to allow an outdoor recreational use for K9 training and a special purpose wire fence in the R16 single family residential zoning district pursuant to zoning codes S14-5-4 B3D and S14-6-5G located at the property address of 1060 East Thornward Thornwood Drive APN205-19-01 15-d case number UP-25-01. Dana. Excellent. Thank you very much, Madam Chair, commissioners. It's a pleasure to be here this evening and thank you for hearing this item. Um, as you mentioned in the agenda, this is a a consideration as well as a public hearing for a use permit request. Said, I will hop right in and uh just get people oriented. Any chance? Um, thought I'd take a uh just the first few minutes here just to kind of give an overview. It's been a little while since we've been together, but give an overview of zoning, the use permit process and everything. Obviously, we got a audience that might appreciate understanding this process. So, that said, what we have up on the screen there is uh an image of the zoning map for the city. That uh zoning map is available online and it's interactive. Uh so I encourage everybody if you're ever curious on what's allowed on what properties and what your zoning district is, that's how you find out. Um this is not unique to the city of Globe. Um every municipality for the most part is required to have uh a level of land use control or zoning codes um statutes actually dictated um among other things. So that said, in this particular graphic, we're looking at the yellow

area is R16, residential single family, 6,000 foot lot minimum zoning district. So it's a single family zoning district and you see the subject property highlight highlighted uh in red there. Um just to give you an idea, that brown just north of it says R2, that's residential, that's a multif family zoning district. And then the red area which is following along the highway is commercial. So you usually want to put your commercial where the access is there obviously um and not have things like that back in neighborhoods. Um, so anyway, that's the principle of the zoning map. And again, I encourage you all to take a look at some point and then I thought I'd also just quickly divert and what that means um to what those districts mean is uh they refer back to the zoning ordinance and that's also available online if anybody's interested. So we have all the zoning districts uh listed uh several but this is R16 zoning district. So if I have a house in that yellow area I go in and look at this list of uses which is very hard for you to obviously see um but uh go through and every zoning code for the most part identifies permitted uses uh not permitted uses and uses permitted by conditional use permit. Uh and that's why we're here this evening. So, like I said, uses use regulations permitted uses include a single family home, modular homes, not uh accessory buildings, group homes. That's a recent update to our zoning code. This commission reviewed in response to statutory changes on how group homes and recovery homes could be located. Um, so just giving you a sense of what's allowed in that R16 zoning district. Prohibited uses, all commercial and business uses except those specifically permitted as home occupations. So, if you're to uh have a business on your R16 zone property, uh it would have to be a

home occupation. There's a definition that explains what that is. So, uh manufacturing is not allowed obviously or warehousing, multiple residents, manufactured homes, recreational vehicle parks, uh keeping storage, so on and so forth. And then you keep on scrolling and you see us use permitted by conditional use permits. Conditional use permits are identified by statute as well as an administrative or discretionary remedy uh for cities to use in their zoning codes. A tool to that basically says, hey, there's some uses that wouldn't be good in every neighborhood or in every location of neighborhoods. So we need to look at a conditional use permit process to ensure that neighbors are notified and uh any so for instance churches and church facilities that requires a use permit to go in a zoning district. Uh public buildings uh providing cultural recreational educational administrative and so forth. So that's kind of a office use right. So they want to make sure that that's a compatible use in a neighborhood. Um, and both of those uses as well as elementary schools, which is where we we want them in our neighborhoods, but they have to be located just like those prior two uses. They say I have direct vehicular access to an arterial collector street. So what the code is the intent of that is saying okay these can happen in that district but we need to know that they're in a location where they're highly accessible uh because they're dependent on trips per day in lie of something buried back in a subdivision or an older community that's going to generate a bunch of traffic where roads weren't designed to handle that or it's a use that's might not be necessarily compatible with all that traffic that activity the stacking into the roadways for schools and stuff like that. Um, so that's the purpose of a conditional use permit. It provides this opportunity to apply to have your use, notify your neighbors, and that's also part of the condition conditional use permit process. We advertise in the newspaper. These are requirements. Uh, advertise in the newspaper, uh, legal

ads, uh, mail notices to properties within 300 feet minimum, and then also place signs. Those are all standard requirements for communities that have that use permit process which is about. So anyway, that's a long story and as we work down recreational uses uh provided noise generated will be compatible with the neighborhood and access from a budding arterial and collector street. So that's the provision that when uh Mr. and Mrs. Hos came in to talk about their use as a agility training field or Jacob's field of dreams um for the purpose of K9 training um that's the best fit of a category that we could find um by a long shot uh to apply to the that particular use. So that's how we arrived here. Um and we'll move on. Any questions from commission? All right. So that's why we're here. And uh and finally, conditional use forms. I just kind of just explained that to you. Uh it's for conditional uses that are not norm that needs some potential uh scrutiny or mitigating factors to ensure that they're going to operate function in the in the neighborhood or on the property that they're proposed without uh creating nuisances. Uh and they're not issued to a person or the uh or a firm. They ride with the land. So once it's issued, unless there's an expiration, which is something that's stipulated on this particular item, um it would go on indefinitely. So as properties sell and change, new people come in, see they have, you know, or may have bought it for that certain right and have a new concept there that they try and fit within or work within the existing approval. So it's important to have those. That's why you have that use permit. It we've agreed that it operates

in a certain way. If they want to operate it differently, then they have to amend that use permit. All right. And there's the site again. And so one thing we uh saw in the zoning code relative to the recreational uses allowed by conditional use permit in R16 zoning district um identifies that it needs to be accessed from a collector or arterial road. Again, a higher capacity roadway that's easily accessible to many people without disturbing a neighborhood is the principle there. or using local streets that might not be designed to carry that level of traffic. So, I just wanted we need to be clear on that because we're um staff is a little bit outside of obviously the code. I think planning commission is accustomed to me discussing these types of uh avenues. Um and it's certainly nothing something that we don't want to obviously make a habit of. Um but uh in this situation you see those local streets and the access to this parcel are on those two uh connections at the 60 and 70. So I just wanted to be clear for the record that that is why we're looking at this. And I believe based on how we've addressed this proposal with the conditions of approval and our discussions with the applicant that there's mitigating factors to ensure that there won't be a traffic concern uh in this neighborhood on the because of this use. And then there's a blow up of the site as you can see and as you're aware it's been operating for about uh three years from what we understand we've been told. Um you see the paddock there in green and then access over on the uh left side left north left corner there of that site. Uh so part of a conditional use permit requirement in the code is to submit a plan a site plan shows how you're going to use the property and that's what this is the applicant

provided. Uh so you simply see that that access um that meets our minimum parking requirements. Any uses aside from like single family use or duplex use is required to show parking and design in accordance with our parking code which is a minimum roadway and the minimum parking space dimensions things like that. Also fire turn you see there with a Y in the middle of the lot. Anytime there's a use that's beyond 150 ft basically for fire hoods beyond 150 ft from roadway fire requirements that we get out and they have it's nationally recognized standards um that we've been dealing with for 30 years plus emergency vehicle can maneuver and exit a property after after there's other requirements too uh such as all weather surfacing Um DG has proposed six inches of DG is proposing a stun compion. We want to make sure inclement weather fire truck does go down that they don't get stuck. That's require. Um so that's it. Uh you see the plan see those parking spaces they have designed. You see the access way uh as well as that fire turnound and then some other structures they have shown. uh you will know that um that it's a temporary cover or movable cover. Uh it is within the 10 foot minimum type set back there. So I just need to get looked out. I think it was previously outside of that moved up there maybe to accommodate that fire turn around, but there's plenty of room. I'm not too concerned on where it goes as long as it's not set back or obstructing the fire turn around. Um, so that said, and one other thing I'll point out, you see on

the this plan, there's a section of S Drive that is privately owned by the hospitals there and they agree. I think they probably like to dedicate that at some point to the city. South of that location uh of the site is county. As a matter of fact, that southern boundary is the county jurisdiction. Um, so it's open standard drive south of that boundary. So anyway, uh, we we should acquire at some point just for a moment, ask if she'll remind the audience that there are seats open and perhaps we can make some seats a join us. Uh, yes, we do have some seats. Will you raise your hand? But there's two over here. There's two in the third row there, ladies. All right. So, commission, before I move on, I'll start to wrap up the presentation. I'd be happy to uh respond to any questions you might have as I staff report. Very good. We'll continue. And the other part of this request if you're aware and you've seen conditional use permits before relative to alternative forms of fencing because they're applying for use permit. They

also happen to have a wiretype fence that is prohibited in single family zoning districts or non-industrial zoning districts. Um so the code does have a provision which is listed and uh identified in the agenda item language that you read. Um, but they are requesting that link fence that you see here continue to be used to secure the pack uh for the dog uh training area. And there you see it. So, um, those are the two items for conditional use permit. Uh, and then there's a view uh, if you're interested from East Thornwood and just probably the most exposed view that you see of that property. So it's recessed obviously and uh and depressed and um obscure to some extent with landscaping. Uh so public outreach to uh and comment to date. I had one phone call they were just not interested. They have property around the a vacant land that they're interested to develop. So that was a nice response to advertising. Uh but also we received one email from uh neighboring property owner support and also one letter prior to that the application being received uh in support as well. I think we made those available to you and part of the record. And obviously this evening we'll receive any additional public uh input. And then finally, staff is recommending approval of case UP25-01 uh to allow the outdoor recreation use for K9 training a special purpose wiretype fence with the following conditions. And there's 12 conditions listed there. be happy to review those or just address as you would like to uh uh if you have questions on any of those. Uh the hoses did receive these um prior to the staff report being uh finalized and uh have not heard any uh feedback. So that's it. Any questions staff? Very good. So, and I should have

I guess started with usually when we start these meetings, we'll also just kind of identify that obviously staff gives a presentation question and answer to staff from the uh planning and zoning commission. And if you'd like if the applicant would like to get up and make a statement or presentation on your behalf, you're welcome to. Uh and then after that and the planning commission has uh had all the questions and comments responded to, we'll open up for a public hearing and that's when people get to stand up to the microphone and express their support or opposition to the request. All right. So that said, chairwoman, if uh you'd like uh the house would like care to make a statement right now or Yes. Go right ahead. Please step to the podium and state your name. I'm Amanda Hos and I live at 1010 Sanders Drive. And I first of all I want to say thank you to everybody for showing up and all the support that we received on Facebook. Um, we built this field because as most of you know that our son died trying to level this lot to build a home and we as a family when we saw how everybody came together for the baseball tournament and everything and just the overall support that they showed when Jacob died. I was a 4H leader for the K9 club after Carol Paddock invited me in to help her and we had nowhere to practice. We were practicing. We tried up at the dog park, which was not safe for the kids or the dogs. That was a disaster. And then we tried Living Waters was kind enough to let us use their parking lot. Well, it's not fenced in. And we were working with children and dogs. That was that was a recipe for disaster as well. I can't tell you. We had a couple dogs escape to the highway. So, we needed someplace safe. And I asked the family like, "What do you We didn't want to sell it." At first, our first thought was we want to sell this because we can't handle the

thought of dealing with this loss. But when we thought about it, this is my grandson's him and his brother's lot. This is their dad's legacy to them. But they don't turn 18. Riker's 11 and Men is going to be seven in August. And they why leave the landow and no use come of it? So we decided that we wanted to put the 4H field on it for the K9 club. So Tim went and got the grading permit from the city. He talked to Jerry Burns at the time who was public parks and um so Tim got the permits for that and then we talked to them about building ramadas because we wanted the parents to be comfortable to be able to sit under to watch the kids because it's Arizona and those kids practice in the heat. So, I mean, they're we practice twice a month um on every the second and the fourth Friday of every month until summer and then we practice the second and fourth Thursday until August. And then we have to get ready for the fair and then we're practicing every week to get everybody ready for fair. So the kids are supposed to have access to the park anytime they want and there's a combination on the lock and all the parents have it so the kids can come down anytime they want to practice. Um so when we talked to Jerry Burns about the romadas that we wanted to build he was like well if you're going to have this for the public you have to get it engineered and you know because they're going to be permanent structures on cement. That was a lot of money, but he told us if you have something that's not permanent, you can put that on the lot for the parents to sit on it. So, the United Fund was kind enough to give the money for the bleachers for the parents to sit on and then the 4H club, the

University of Arizona donated the money for the covering, for the shade covering. And that's what the parents, it's worked out wonderful for everybody to sit under. So, everybody's within the city has known about this since its inception. So, I don't understand where it's coming from that they're acting like they don't know where it came from because we were upfront about it. It was in the Copper Country News on the front page in July of 2022. It's been in the Globe Miami Times twice. Plus, I advertise in there and we have the field as a backdrop for my dog training business. Um, I do a lot of work with the Humane Society. I do a lot of work with parents with puppies, behavioral dogs, and my biggest thing is the 4H kids. I want to teach these kids how to have good relationships with their dogs because for each kid that I can touch, they can turn around and touch somebody else. Then we have less dogs turned into the Humane Society or abandoned or left out in the yard and neglected. Like, it's a it's a chain here and we just send out ripple effects. Plus, the 4 is the most amazing group of kids I've ever seen. They have to fill out books when we come to practice. What their goals are, how much it costs to own a dog, how much it costs for dog food, how much for vaccination, spaying, neutering, greeding, what your goals are, everything. As a matter of fact, our next meeting, we're going to meet at my shop and we're going to learn how to groom dogs. So, at this time, I think we have 12 kids and we also have to do fundraisers. So, we have to teach the kids how to bring money in to pay for collars, leashes, the equipment needs to be replaced. I mean, the Arizona Sun beats everything up. So, and as much as Tim and I put into the field, we just need a little bit of help so

that way the 4H club takes care of themselves. And our community is fantastic about helping all these kids. Like there is not one thing we've ever wanted from these kids like for our club. Tim and I have done he did all the work for grading and we all with Chuck's help put in and welded for the fence and Justin's help that we needed for things for the fencing to be put in the solar lights to be put in. I want to I want to be politically correct about this. So I have to think about how to phrase it. So, we had a list of things that we needed to do to get this permit to put in for the application of this. And I understand that and I to be honest with you, I don't have a problem getting a permit. I don't have a problem with that at all. What I had a problem with was three years after the fact being told that we nobody knew that that field was ever there. That was my problem. And then being told that we were they were doing us a favor by having us get this permit. If it hadn't been phrased like that, I probably would have been much calmer about it. So, um, and then all the little things that we had been required. One of the things was the wattage on solar lights. Well, I would like to show you guys if I can. These are the pictures of the field and in there is a picture of it at night and you guys can see it of what the solar lights look like. that was put in just enough. There's just enough lighting on there so that way the kids can see on the field, but you can't really see outside the field once the lighting once they're outside of the lighting. We put in the parking spaces that were required. Um, I have video if you need it. Tri city Fire Department was kind

enough to come in and use their largest fire apparatus yesterday to turn around. Not only can they do the why, but they can also do a complete circle with people parked in the parking spaces. There's absolutely no problems turning the fire apparatus around. The fire hydrant is in front of our house, which is right up above the hill. So, all they have to do is line it run a line down from our house down to the whatever structure might be down there. So, that's not even a problem. But I just wanted to bring that to your attention. I think that we have fulfilled everything that was needed. I can't imagine if this was put before someone that didn't have access to people who had CAD because then we were told that we had to have a plan to scale. God forbid that this would just been anybody else out here that didn't have access to someone who had CAD and was able to use some kind of program to bring it to scale. I mean, it's just it's been asinine. And then the latest love letter that I got from the city this past week was the shade structure would might have to be taken down because it was infringing where the fire truck was turning around. As you can see in those pictures, firet truck ain't going anywhere near that shade structure. Nowhere near it. So, that's not an issue at all. And having been a firefighter, I know how well a fire apparatus can turn around on that field. I know how important it is to be able to have an ambulance to get down there to take care of somebody. I know priorities like that. I'm not going to short change that at all. So, um I just I thank you guys and I know that none of this is your doing and I appreciate the fact that you've taken the time to hear this. And I think if the council and the people that said they didn't know that this was there had just come down to the

field and maybe checked it out for themselves, then they would have seen that we were pretty much in compliance on 90% of the items. That was it. Like we we have busted our butts to make sure that this is everything that you guys need. And I pray that it passes. So because I if it doesn't pass, I have to give up. I'm not going to be able to do this for the kids. There is nowhere else for them to go and do this. So, and I'm not doing it as a guilt trip for you guys. I'm just explaining to you that this is so out of the way. We are dogs aren't barking. We don't board dogs down there. We don't have dog fights. All of our dogs are required to be six foot apart at all times. We have three leaders. Um Charlotte is one of the other leaders and then of course Carol. So we make sure that if we have an aggressive dog with a kid, one of us is sitting on that kid with that dog the whole time. So we have no mishaps. So everything is always under control. And how much traffic can there be with 12 kids twice a month for an hour? Because I'll tell you, I love these kids, but kids will be kids and they don't always practice like they should. So it it just is what it is. But they at least they have the access to the field that they can come and use it anytime they want. It's it's basically built for them until the boys are old enough. So with that, I'm I want to thank you very much and thank you everybody for coming. [Applause] Unless you have any questions on the applicant. All right. Excellent. Quick.

So, quickly just to go over the roles for discussion. Obviously, the chairwoman runs the meeting. That's who we address all our comments and questions to. Um, hopefully everybody complete a speaker form when you're speaking. The record, we have information. Um, All comments will be made from the podium. No comments from the audience uh at our you know randomly uh state name and address for the record. Uh address all comments questions to the chair like I mentioned and then all comments must be specific to the agenda item request. Uh so no derogatory or disparaging statements towards any individual or entity. Um we want to stay to the point of this request that we've covered. Um so yeah just be as concise to the point as possible. So that's it. Thank you very much. And when you're ready, strike the open public hearing public com. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Uh I'm here today as not only a forage leader here in Gila County. Uh I started the dog program here in Hila County with John and Melissa Munies. Uh, I got Amanda to come in and help us uh with that program. We tried, as she said, to train dogs up on the uh the public dog park and we had kids attacked. We had dogs attacked. Then we went to Living Waters and the asphalt was too hot. And so from a Hila County perspective, we really appreciate Tim and Amanda Hos and how they turned tragedy into just an incredible training facility for us. But I'm also here today too as the state representative. I am the state coordinator for the state dog uh program across Arizona. So I shared with madam chairman earlier that uh you know I got a seven o'clock dog meeting that I have to run off to. But I just wanted to speak to a little bit about the positive youth development that we see with the 4

program and specific to the dog program. Uh we had one young lady and because of Amanda's coaching and training of this dog, this dog and child, this dog used to be uh chained out by the neck. It was a rescue dog. It was brought into the home. It was trained and the dog and the child got so close that unbeknownst to the parents at the time, the child started to experience uh seizures. And the dog just because of the development of that relationship because of Amanda Haw and the training field that we have, that dog turned into a seizure detection dog. It would go get the parents, bring those parents back if the child was having a seizure. If it couldn't find the parents, it would lay next to the child to keep the child So this is the kind of positive youth development that we see in our program. And uh what I'd like to do is at this point I'd like all the 4 people that are here that have enjoyed the field that we've had positive youth development in the field to please stand so that this council can see you see the [Applause] impact and I'd like to thank the council as well because we want these young people to see you to actively participate in our government. This is the core of our democracy and this is why we've encouraged our young people to come here to participate as part of this process that 4 is all about positive youth development and as Amanda said we've had this program going for three years and the kind of results we've seen in these young people has been nothing short of amazing and uh 4 has awarded Tim and Amanda H appreciation awards. We cannot thank them enough for turning their triumph, you know, that that turning that tragedy into a triumph for the community and supporting these young people. Uh, and we really truly are the envy across the state of Arizona. Uh, the dog program was basically decimated after the pandemic as pretty much

everything was and we've been able to rebuild this back and the very first state dog event was done here in Hila County uh, as the example that we've had. So, I want to thank the council. We are very much in appreciation to the h for the facilities that they've provided us and we very much would like to continue with the kind of positive youth development that 4 brings to this community. Thank you. [Applause] Thank you for I love it. I I admire all the kids and all the animals and all the training that you do with them. She helped me in another way. Um, I have a lot of health issues and I had a young puppy and it was very rambunctious and overbearing for me and she helped me bond with that dog now and she's three years old and she's at my side in the same sense it helped that other child with everything with me. And I want to thank you and and and tell you guys what an amazing program it is for our community because we don't have nothing good for the kids and this is an amazing one. So I just want to say thank you Miss [Applause] Amanda up next please. Okay, Lyn Gross 175E Cedar. Um, I guess I have two things because a lot of people here are going to speak tonight. Uh, one is a lot has been said about the

4, but I was part of one of the adults with a dog that also went to class with Amanda, and I watched her work with adults and their dogs and turn aggressive dogs into well- behaved dogs, which is a fabulous benefit to the whole community. So what she does in terms of working with kids and adults and dogs make all of us, our entire community, better and safer and more enjoyable. So she is an asset and this dog training facility is an asset. And it is concerning to me that the city has indicated that they didn't know this existed because it would take such a minuscule amount of effort like a phone call or a visit to discover what this is all about. And it's been in the community guide where the city has represented, you know, nine pages of what they do. It's been represented in the community guide every year. It's been represented in the newspapers. it's talked about in the community. So for this to come up now in this way in a handsoff well the the requirements are this and so we want you to do that without having had a conversation or picked up a phone call or talked to the people about this facility [Music] um is a misstep I think in our city of globe communication. in terms of what is valuable in this community. And if anybody has looked at that field, they have gone above and

beyond in making a quality field. It could be a junky place with dogs that bark and big flashlights or what I mean it could have a much more negative impact in this community and it's not the amount of benefits that this has created is something we should celebrate and work with and say hey and have that early conversation. So it concerns me as a citizen that this has been brought up three years after they have been operating as a field um in a manner that seems to be hands off and looks at paperwork and not investment from our people. So I do hope that the commission approves the there because they have certainly put in the work and they are huge benefit to the [Applause] community. Next we got Tony Deanda Sberg. Good evening, commissioners, city staff, and supporters. Um, my name is Tony Deanda Soulberg. I reside at 1020 East Sanders Drive. So, the dog training field is essentially my front yard. Um, as a parent and as a neighbor, I have many concerns about the information that is presented to you with the CUP. And I am opposed to line items 3, 4, 7, 9, and

11. Um, I realize you guys can't all see that, so I'm going to go through my notes and state this. um number one that our properties keep being referred to as R16. And in 2021, I attempted to um open a home-based business to provide swim lessons to our children before the swimming pool opened. And I expend I experienced a very similar situation. I was shot down. It's not a home-based occupation. It's not supported by city code. And at that time, I pointed out that my property is not an R16. We're are we are RL 43 rule zoning districts. Additionally, um I do believe that a swim business, dog training business do classify as a licensed homebased business if you go through those proper channels. State statute also agrees with me. Um Tim and Amanda are both licensed business owners within our community and their denials are being met with city code. However, the denial and the city code don't necessarily align. I personally have asked for the homebased occupation list so that we can understand what is approved and that information is not available. So, I made that request once in 21 and then I mentioned it again last year when I applied for a second homebased business license that is not directly related. So, state statute um does protect homebased business owners from things such as making necessary residential property improvements, generating reasonable traffic, parking or delivery activities that avoids on street congestion and significant traffic increases in the neighbors. It does not protect um from regulations, but they are supposed

to be reasonable operating requirements of the business or the residential property. Line item four restricts generating traffic. However, in our neighborhood is Destiny Schools. Four days a week I go all the way around because I'm not going to attempt to go down prickly pair drive when school is in session because you can't get out. So I don't see how 10 vehicles in my neighborhood is a justifiable or reasonable number at any given time considering that there is an elementary school next to us. Line item seven, all weather emergency vehicle servicing, dust control, and line item nine, sight lighting, I believe are also unreasonable as the city does not comply with these regulations themselves. I live on Sanders Drive. If the wind blows, there's dirt in my pool. Luckily, my husband takes care of that. However, yesterday I was at the T-ball field and I just happened to look at the ground and guess what? These requirements are not at the T-ball field. They're not at the soccer field or or the dog park. The lighting from the ball fields until all this process started routinely shine through our windows all hours of the night in the very oddest of seasons. Conveniently, I've been on the soccer field when those lights have been turned off at the appropriate times, but for whatever reason, they are left on sometimes overnight. And my neighbors will attest to that. and I'm sure others would not specifically mentioned with a line item was the fencing on the field and the fence in question was installed prior to the city code changes and that should be grandfathered as such otherwise you're sending a very strong message to our community that others are next. I am in full support of the field

staying in use within reasonable operating requirements. However, I am concerned and appalled over the fire the fire department statements and other information I have read that has not been presented here in regards to the apparatus being able to turn around. It was evident that an apparatus can be turned around on that property and I'm going to leave it at that for the sake of small people standing in this room who do not need to relive that moment. But that should be taken in consideration before you send information to families that say that they have to provide access to something that has already been demonstrated. As a previous member of public safety, I am offended for my colleagues because I have been on fire scenes as a co as a colleague to some of those people and as a child in this community who grew up with with a fireman or a father. They can get those apparatuses in some of the weirdest places safely to get you, your loved ones to a better place. And implicating otherwise is an insult to their profession. Regardless of how you feel about Tim and Amanda, they saw a need in our community and they took action during the worst times of their lives. these unreasonable restrictions and interpretations of code as well as poor timing because this isn't the first time that something has been brought up during the anniversary of Jacob's passing or an illtimed comment made regarding our neighborhood and this field. This is this has the potential to create a dividing impact in our community. And although many of us are trying very hard to control our emotions, we live here. We're invested and you can't ask us to

not be human. So before you agree to these terms and conditions that are before you or whatever, I really hope that you take into consideration those line items and the information that I've provided you. And I would encourage you to look up the state statute regarding homebased businesses because I believe this whole situation could have been completely handled differently if they were allowed to have put a second location on their business license as stated on the business license application to begin with. Thank you. [Applause] Jean Jean Campbell. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you everyone for being here. Uh, my daughter is a 4 member. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm Jean Campbell. I live out in Copper Hills. My daughter Paige is a 4 uh dog handler. This is her fourth year with the program and I can very much attest to what Amanda was saying about the chain. Anywhere my daughter goes that we have another family member who has a dog that is untrained, she is very willing to train them and she starts the process. Um so that has been a very big impact in her life um in our life and our family's lives. Um, but not only do the kids learn how to train their dogs, but so do the parents because we have the opportunity to participate. Um, not only in the training, but also when we have the 4 competition. Um, we as adults get to try our best at running the dogs. Um, which has been a lot of fun. Um, but I

do support what Amanda and Tim have done. It has been a gift um, in a very hard time. It has been a treasure. Um, and I do agree with a lot of what Tony said. Um, with the car use, we generally start out with about 14 kids. Um, and by the time we get to, uh, the Hila County Fair, we probably have a strong five or six who are attending all the time. So, it's not creating we're not creating a lot of traffic. Um, we are usually there for one hour and we're in and out. U, we don't hang around usually in the neighborhood. um we're not causing problems in the neighborhood. The dogs are very behaved and I will attest to yes, if there is a dog who seems to have some behavioral disorders, um Amanda or Charlotte or Carol are very close to that child and that dog to ensure safety for everyone else on the field. Um the kids who've been doing it for a long time like my daughter understand all the parameters and the requirements of being a handler and what they need to do ensure the safety of not only their animal but the other animals around them. Um and also some of the nice things is that they've taught them you cannot just approach any dog that is not yours. You have to ask permission which I think has been a wonderful thing for both of my kids. Um because you never know what someone's dog is going to do when you approach them and that gives the owner the opportunity to say no my dog my dog does not work well with children please do not touch and so those things and learning these things as children has helped I think keep them safe um it's just a beautiful place to be too. there's a lot of opportunities there um and a lot of thing good things that are happening there. So I would hope that you guys would most definitely

consider this conditional use uh for them for us because we would hate to lose it. I know we would be devastated um and so that we could continue what we've been doing in 4. My daughter has decided because of Amanda Amanda and Miss Katherine um that her dog is going to test for the good citizen award and then also to become a dog for canines for Christ which will then be able to go with Amanda to all the little things that she does if Paige would like to go such as grief counseling um into the nursing homes and the schools and the hospital if it's allowed. So at 11 years old, she would have the opportunity to do that with her dog and to bring that to people who cannot be around animals all the time or even have their own animal. So thank you. Thank you guys very much. [Applause] [Music] Amanda, you're Would you like to get out and speak again or send your piece? Very good. Thank you. Uh, Charles uh, I can't read it. I'm sorry. Junior. Charles something Jun. Sorry. Please state your name because I can't 831 First Avenue. Um, I've been friends at Tim and Amanda since high school. Known them forever. They're fantastic people. They are making the best of a tragedy in their lives. that dog park that was down there in its inception, the fire trucks and everything else got down there because there was a rescue that was in in full mode down there that night. Unfortunately, in in the loss of Jacob, that lot has been in honor of Jacob's children. I'm an employer of Earthquest

Plumbing, but I would donate every minute of my time towards their cause up there and what they're doing on that lot. what they have done up there on that lot. I participated in everything. That lot didn't exist. And I I myself find it kind of entertaining when you guys go through your zoning and stuff on there. And that that lot is included in the city limits and everything else and not in the county. That lot didn't exist. That lot was a canyon down there before Jacob started cutting that lot for his home, for his family. The memory of Jacob that exists on that lot is what drives him and Amanda for everything that they do. Above and beyond the public outreach, the 4, the dogs, and everything else that's going on down there, that's a living memory of Jacob. Everybody in this room that knew Jacob, he was a fantastic kid. He cared about this community. He was a firefighter. he'd give his life for another in the process of them making this a dog park memory long term. I believe this dog park is great for the community and stuff. Hopefully the community will outreach to them, let this thing progress and proceed and grow like it's been growing over this time. But I hope they also recognize that this is Riker and men's property. is theirs to do with as they choose when they're of legal age to inherit this property. There's been comments about a septic system that was put in and everything else down there. This is long-term progress on that property for intentions of putting a residence down there for a family. The dog park, the property is so big down there now. It's been growing since it was cut and it was

pushed. We've had city people and other people. We have Miami's old football field dump down that canyon right there, all the grass, because they were looking for some place to get rid of the dirt. We volunteered. Let them come up. Let them dump that stuff up here. Let them let them push. Let them grow. Let them do what they have. They're fantastic people. And to let this thing go on for this amount of time, then to come into question, I understand codes have to be met. I understand all these things, but we're talking about a lot that didn't even exist before they started doing what they were doing down there, before Jacob started pushing towards his home for his family. And I just hope that you guys accept this and let these people proceed with what they're doing up there because they are a blessing to the community in more ways than just the dogs. Thank you for your time. [Applause] way back 20 years ago almost. Please state your name for Oh, I'm Ted S. Thank you. I thought you introduced I didn't think you're supposed to identify yourself. Back 20 years or so ago, I was the vice chair of the Democrat party here. So, but I've never been politically correct. I got in trouble with the newspaper for calling us spree. They didn't like that. And so what I'm seeing here is the arrogance that can happen when well-meaning employees of cities, towns, counties be carried away with the importance of

their job. I'll call a spade to spade here. This is way over the top. Nobody's gotten really in touch with this woman. sat down and talked about what she needs, what the city can do for her and the people that live here. Now, that's all I have to say about that. I want to read to you what I prepared for three minute thing, which I thought everybody only had three minutes. I guess that's not true. Somebody over here talked for 15 or 20 minutes without stopping. Um, while I'm not a resident of the city of Globe, I'm closely attached in wheat fields. I've been an active participant in political, social, and commercial activity since I moved here in '92. On the radio at KQSF, I was known as Terrible Ted. And at Kiko, I did news and commentary for Willard as Ted Ser. I wish to stand up for my friend for over 30 years, Amanda Hos, in support of her selfless work for this community. We can't help but remember the long fight Amanda and Tim had with the city when they put a manufactured home on their property in East Glue. There may be one of you old enough to remember that. Mind you, it was not a mobile home, but rather a building manufactured elsewhere and transported and set on the property. Amanda was a member of the Globe Fire Department and began her journey into bodybuilding about that same time. And boy, is she a champ. If you'll bear with me, I want to tell you a true story that sort of equates to what's happened here. After my wife and I moved to

Tucson from Atlas, California, she wanted to continue her work as a cosmetologist. But Arizona and California didn't have reciprocity for cosmetology licenses. She had to take a six-week course so she could qualify to take the state board exam in Phoenix. When she finished, she filled out the application, included the appropriate fee, and mailed it the same day she graduated. Few days later, there was a letter from the Arizona State Board of Cosmetology informing her that the application cut off date was two days before she completed her training, so she didn't qualify and they were returning her application and fee. The next testing they wrote would be in three months. Well, that hit her like a ton of bricks because she was actually more qualified than her instructor. I was livid. So I pulled old terrible Ted out of nowhere and called the commission offices in Phoenix. Maybe God was looking out for us at that moment. I don't know. But I got to speak with the chairwoman of the board. We had a nice conversation about my wife's situation. And then I asked this question. Isn't it true that rules and regulations made by the state board are policy rather than state law? She said, "Yes, that's true. As the chairwoman of the board, isn't it your function to oversee the application of the rules and regulations?" Again, she said yes. That said, then isn't it true that there are always exceptions to the rules and policies? She replied, "Yes, and I see where you're going with this, Mr. Please have your wife return the application and check to my attention, and I'll make sure she's included in the upcoming testing and is notified what time she'll need to be there." But it

passed the test with flying colors and had worked the very next day. Funny thing, the chairwoman looked her up during the testing and told her she really didn't have to go through all that rigoral that Arizona had reciprocity with Tennessee. Tennessee had reciprocity with California. All she ever had to do was obtain the Tennessee license and trade it in for an American an Arizona license. Somehow, I think that exception to the rules and policies in this instance might be in order. Miss Chairwoman, I'm sorry. In the letter it says, Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. Forgive me. That's not politically correct. Board members, please see what you can do for this good woman. That's because I know you always want to do the right thing for this community. I'd like to suggest that the board sit down, make some time to sit down, maybe over coffee or whatever, talk with her and find out what she'd really like to have aside and around all the rest of this malarkey because this should happen. Thank you very much. [Music] [Applause] Um, my name is Darren Lowry. I live at 507 East Apache Street. And I will definitely keep this short. Where is Amanda? I can't hear half of y'all. And I can't see half of y'all either. So, um, my my concern is is we live in America, okay? Whatever that means to

most people, mom, apple pie, rural, small towns, it's dogs and its kids. And the dogs, I was working with and for the Humane Society for three years. So, I've seen firsthand that we've got issues here in town with dogs and cats and and if you hear anything on the street at all, you're going to hear stories about dogs running loose, cats being living under the theater, the whole shot. Um, so definitely something that only needs to be done, things are being done and we need to support those efforts. um kids. Unfortunately, I never had children, but I'm an expert on raising them, right? Because that's the way it works. Um they are being hit with so much negativity and and division and and we can talk about suicide rates and bullying and social media and not leaving the house and never leaving the house, moving into the basement. anything, my feeling, anything that we can do to support the kids and support the baby, the dogs, babies, dogs. Um, anything that we can do. And here we've got this beautiful tailor made property with people who are committed to rising up the children and rising up the animals and helping to make this a better place to live, to making this be a community that I'm proud to call home after 20 years. You know, I I was in the valley for five years. I was from Chicago originally, but that's for another time. And and the valley was nice, but you know, they like clipped every single well blade of grass, you know, and they had things called sidewalks, which I don't I don't have sidewalks now. And that's fine with me because the bottom line is I live in a community of people who care about each other and for the most part care about

their animals, that we can coexist. And so when I out of my house, my old old house uh with no sidewalk uh across the street uh on the corner. The family there has a trailer that's been sitting out there for three years. And it's not a deluxe mobile home. It's not a Wnebago. I mean, this is a piece of garbage. But you know what? I don't care. I can still see Sleeping Beauty. I can still see the trees. Um, so I guess the reason why I brought that up was because when we when I focus on what's important, you know, these are the kids that are going to be leading. These are the kids that are going to be moving on. These are the kids that are committed and have a committed base of adults who are helping them, assisting them, and showing them the right way to go. with so much divisiveness and so much negativity in the world today. Anything anything that will will promote goodness I'm for. And so I stand behind you. I'm glad. In fact, one other thing actually in the anecdote you will understand and somebody else touched on it. It was a Facebook thing and I can't remember what the post was but u but it was about this and I said, "Oh, for God's sake." I I said I live across from the ball fields, you know, and I'm doing my dishes and this is why I can't see anything anymore. I'm blinded by those lights. They are like some pretty awesome awesome lights, but I don't care. And I said that in there. I don't care because they're not running crazy and they're not putting needles in their arms or huffing glue or doing whatever, you know, kids do. You know, you know, they're playing ball. They are playing ball. So let's let's do what we can to support anything that is positive and definitely Ammen and Tim. Thank you very

[Applause] much Cheryl HS. Hi, I'm Cheryl Haynes and my address is 952 South Jesse Hayes Road. I am um I am the board president of High Desert Humane Society and I I wrote a letter which I'd like to read first and then I'd like to share a little anecdote also. I wrote, "I do not understand why there is such conflict concerning Amanda Hassa's property, Jacob's Field. As a dog owner myself, I have attended many classes there with my dogs. The field is such a safe place to have dog activity as well as 4 club meetings, and it has kept up beautifully. But here's the thing you might not be aware of about Amanda and her devotion to community. She is an avid supporter of High Desert Humane Society and she provides dog training to any of our dogs at very little cost and oftentimes just gives freely of her time to help us ensure that our dogs are adoptable and good K9 citizens before we find them forever homes. Her expertise in recognizing bad behavior or aggressive tendencies has proven invaluable to us. She truly has made our dogs more attractive to prospective owners than they would have been without her intervention. She actively seeks out good homes for our shelter dogs. She also offers to the new owners after adoption ongoing dog obedience classes to any dog she has trained for us free of cost. That is almost unheard of anywhere else.

I would hate to think of our town without Amanda and Tim in our community. Globe is a better place with this family and please allow their beautiful service to our area to continue at Jacobsfield where so much good stuff for Globe happens. and I wrote that and um I just I don't want to take too much time because I know it's getting late, but we've had several dogs that um we were worried were aggressive or just would not be good in homes. And one dog in particular really stands out and she's wasn't that long ago was Chica. And we asked Amanda to take a look at Chica because um Chica had puppies last June and she was a pitbull mix kind of dog. I you know one of those typical kind and she was real friendly but after the puppies after the puppies were weaned and gone and grown up she became um more particular and territorial towards some of the other people that would come into the our office. she would um Will Bowen and myself, she was just all over us, full of love and stuff, but we're worried that she was reacting to some other people. So, what Amanda does, and when I say that she provides training, she she has not only helped train our staff, but she actually takes our dogs and keeps them for a few weeks, she takes them out in the field, she takes them to stores, she takes them everywhere. She she lives with this dog to know what it's like. And um boy, Chica, you know, just turned she could see that right away that Chica was not aggressive, but this she was going to be particular about what kind of people she wanted to be around. And um so Chica has come back to us and um she is um we hope she finds a forever home sometime, but in the meanwhile, she has turned into the dog when we get a litter of puppies

that she is the dog mama because we get litters of puppies without mama usually. And um the difference she makes in those dogs and how they are raised is incredible. Most recently, just like three weeks ago, we were dropped off a litter of pups. No history on them. They were probably about four weeks old. And um they weren't doing well. They were they were starving and they were listless. We were worried that somehow we'd gotten, you know, something a disease, you know, litter of pups of diseases. But she walked in there, Miss Chica did, and immediately the puppies came alive and and they blossomed. And um it is surprised us all. And we're so glad that Chica was given the second chance to prove how valuable she could be. So I thank you, Madame Commissioner. I thank the whole commissioner people for letting me talk. And I hope I hope you don't do anything to change what's going on down at Jacobsfield. Tina Pearlman. Hello everybody. My name is Tina Pearlman and I'm a lucky neighbor of Dimaf and Dim Aas. I um right next door they neighbor last 20 years and um when I first saw them started building this dog training place um I was excited because we have we had one dog then and then we had second dog and I used to

have to go dog training all the way to Phoenix and that didn't go very well because it's a long ways. So I had seriously five or six different training things like puppy first puppy training and then puppy star and then uh good citizen dog and agility training and trick dog training and it's been wonderful and uh I just want to let you know that there's no issue of the traffic. Um we are right there and um I never even hear when there's cars coming there. I wouldn't even know they're training there unless I look down in the canyon because it's the location is uh the way that you can't even hear anything and the lights. I don't even see the lights in the to our house. So, just to let you know that I don't think there's any issue of the lights or the traffic and uh I'm just very thankful that they have it and hope that it all goes to best for them. Okay. Thank you. [Applause] Okay, that was my final request to speak. Does anyone else have something they'd like to add? Madam Chair, I do have a text to read for the record. I have a text from Sarah Wei. My name is Sarah Wei, 604 West Sullivan Street. I'm begging for the city of globul support of Amanda Hos's field. This region is in dire need of positive outlets for both youth and the needs of animals. We do not have a capacity for grant writing addressing these needs and the new and the few citizens with the capacity for filling these needs must be supported by our municipalities. Please hear our call.

So do we have any questions for anybody? Do we want to close or do we want to talk? Do we have the opportunity to ask any questions? Absolutely. Chairwoman, your feel free to ask any clarification questions you have. Does anybody have any questions for any of the speakers? All right. And then there's no one else that has anything that they want to say. Okay. Then we're going to close the public part of this right now. Now, do do we have any questions for Dana? Let's see. I got notes. I saw writing red [Music] pen. Sorry, check and see what we got answered. First of all, thank you everybody for coming up today to show support. It's amazing. Beautiful. Love to see it. It's exactly what we want our community. So, Big round of [Applause] applause. Uh so Dana, I think I just got a couple questions for you as our keeper of the city code. Uh let's start all the way at the beginning. So the shade cover element that we need to move back because of setbacks on that. Is that like a big distance we got to move it? Is it five feet? Are we talking big distance? if you know that off the top of your head. Yeah, you're probably around six feet. Okay, so super close. Um, so I guess I might have a question for a video of the fire trucking around. So, I'm actually not as worried about the fire truck being close to it. Um, one of the things that we get charged with, unfortunately,

uh, as commissioners on the planning and zoning is trying to meet the planning and zoning that has been set forward in front of us. So, we're just interpreters of it. We don't get to make, um, just choices and everything at all times. We have to go through the code, understand it, and make sure every time a property does come up and it changes that it does attempt to meet it or can we meet within that within a certain range of conditional use permits. Um, and I think this is a wonderful site. So, I would rather not change anything today. But one of the things that we're tasked with I think is really challenging and it's probably all of our least favorite parts is sometimes we have to come in and say like, "Hey, you know what? Where where do we need to just make sure we're meeting it?" And one of the things that excited me about it is you all said it was movable. So, I am kind of curious at what level of movable is that shade structure? Well, it's not so where it's Can you do us a favor, please? Sorry. uh YouTube. Thank you. So, where the shade structure is, if you look on the pictures, it's probably 30 feet from where the fire engine even backs up. like on the paperwork for some reason it looks like it's closer but it doesn't come anywhere near it all because the shade structure the fire engine doesn't back anywhere up like even close to the shed so it's nowhere near the shade structure it's probably 20 to 30 feet away from the shed structure y so it doesn't the the diagram is it's probably a little off which which happens a lot on our very hilly properties and gloves I'm sure everybody recognize like you talked about, right? Trying to put something into a scale when you got hillsides that do a lot of this and move around a lot. It's not an easy thing to do. Um, so I'm actually not as concerned at the moment about the the firetruck turnaround diagram. It's mostly about setback lines. Um, I think that's all it comes

down to. with it being a movable structure, I'm not as worried. But it it more so just comes down to our goal as a commissioner, what we're set forward with, and that's our goal is to just try to meet every condition we can before we agree to a conditional use permit. And so I just want if that would be an easy one to hopefully maybe do is that if we can move it away from that 10-ft setback line on the property. Absolutely. Okay. Easy one because it's not permanently affixed. So, I just wanted to go down on the list of things. I would I drove past it today again and last week, too. And I just I think it looks wonderful. It would be hard for anybody to tell that it is within 10 ft of the setback unless somebody is really looking for it. And so, again, we are just tasked with trying to follow city code as much as possible. Okay. And I think having a recreational property space is a wonderful thing to do. So, I'm just kind of going down the list of things that I think it was Tony brought up earlier. So, I wanted to just kind of run down a couple of those. Um, in the same conversation, uh, a step back lines, um, I think we just have a porta body that's marked on there, it would fall under the same things. If it's a a semi, it's I know it's portable, but if it's a semi-permanmanent fixture, um, if it is just potential to have that set back at least 10 ft from the property line, um, again, I think that goes along with the conditional use permit of the space. Dan, do we have anything within our outlines to allow extended use of a ported job within that space? We do not. Good code. Yeah. Thank you, chair. We'll make that note to make sure. Okay. Just need to make sure we're out of the setback. And so, I just want to make sure this doesn't come back in the future on you. Uh, if somebody has, hey, that that for John's been there for like two years now, and we only allow I think it's like a couple months. So, I'd rather just put it in here now that you can have it there. Okay. U that way we're not worried about it later. Um let's see. So number seven

uh that is our maintain all weather uh emergency vehicle access 6 in base 3 minus decomposed granite. Um that is just following our city code for like accessible driving surfaces I think. Is that what it is? It's at the discretion of the city engineer and obviously fire marshall and they both accepted that. Okay. Um yeah, essentially what that is is basically uh correct me if I'm speaking out of turn on this one, but I think it's it's like our alleyway kind of standard. Is that what that is kind of at the end of the day? So I think that's how it starts. fire or emergency apparatus and now it's um fire code fire code and we had this and it's our parking parking code and I'm guessing that's not something we have on site today. It's probably six inches of base with three minus decomposed granite. Probably not. Is it existing? Yeah, it's existing. It's already on there. Perfect. I want to make sure we weren't adding new stuff. That's why I want to ask about it. It's already been there for years. Love it. Perfect. That makes me so much happier. Um, site lighting. Easy peasy. Uh, and then I think the very last thing I have on my list here, sorry, I wrote a lot of notes. Um, so I like to make sure I'm very thorough with this as much as possible. Uh, completely understand the concern with the the firetruck apparatus. Unfortunately, it's something everybody has to follow kind of everywhere on commercial properties. Um, but that being said, I I'm almost 100% sure if we took a drone up there and we probably got exact measurement or a little bit closer tie downs on exact where everything's sitting, we're probably so close we're like inches away, especially if that shade structure moves a little bit. I'm not as concerned. I'm guessing this distance for turnaround is based on the potential for a new ladder truck, larger ladder

truck that we were in discussion about last year. As you know, the fire codes are standard. Yeah. regardless of the apparatus. But yes, yeah, I think so I think that's where that's coming from is because there is potential for having a new much larger fire truck as part of uh the things we might have here. Um Tri City responds to that property. So technically anybody can city does not have an engine that's that as big as the ladder truck that the city of Globe is looking to buy. Correct. Um again so same thing that Dana brought up there. Uh this is is a national fire code. So essentially it's just because any firefighting unit anywhere across area typically has a responsibility to also respond to that site if called to it can respond to it. And I actually measured it off myself. I actually measured it off from the time that you come down the road. Yeah. To make sure that you can do a full circle. Not even the I love that so much better because I hate the wise. So the you can do a full circle within the parameters that we were given. So I believe it's 90 ft and you can turn a full circle in the 90 ft. Amazing. So it's already been measured out. So that we were given like I think five options and it does both the 90 or the full circle and then this Y thing. You can do either one on that law. Love to hear it. Um again just wanted to go through like just dot the eyes, cross the tees. Um I think this was a really great application. I don't know if we've ever had one quite so thoroughly put together which is kind of nice. It's been a little while. Um and just to hear as much support as we get today. I'm again just trying to go through and and dot the eyes cross the tees but come down some support on the side over here. So pass it back to our

anyone else for sure. I have first of all general comment. I think the applicants and their residents, friends and family have done a great job informing us what the issues are and what's been done to objections or possible objections. So, I do appreciate everything that's been done here and I I repeat some of what's been said about what children have to do in the city of Globe and this is a great outlet for kids and learning and dealing with animals is not that much different to dealing with humans. So, they learn a lot during these transactions. I do have one uh question maybe Dana and item number four uh 10 vehicle trips per day I assume that means one way or is that round trip right one vehicle round trip right correct okay so kind of 20 activities coming and going if that's uh that's a way to say because I I I do know there is concern when communities get a lot of traffic through them and that's that's sometimes an objection but so so that answers that question for me that's all I have couple of comments you've done a very good job on the presentation with this and I appreciate what it is that you're doing and Sorry you had to go through some of the technical difficulty that you did. I think this is an excellent

opportunity for the community and especially since it's already been operating for so long. Um, is there provisions that can be made, Dana, in case this grows into a larger program to allow more vehicles? I mean, I'm on Skyline. I have 114 cars a day to go down my street. And so is I think that if this is something that's already taking off at this with the betterment for the community that there's a possibility that there might generate not talking about like you know hundreds of cars like what come down my street but being able to allow her to not have to come back here again to address that as it grows. Madam Chair, uh I would given the specific language of that code to say it's can be allowed if it's accessed from a lo collector or arterial road. I would suggest planning commission in the future discuss how that code might be changed and options for that prior to increasing that on one of our agendas something. Yes. Thank you. I do have a few questions. Um, first of all, I have never met another Lowry in this town, so it's good to meet you, sir. I was really surprised. I was like, I didn't sign up to speak. Um, I have a couple of questions. So, um, I want to take a look at some of these, um, conditions. So, I want to look at number five first. This is in no order. I apologize. I'm going to jump around. It says is there any further or future grading on the site should be you know yada yada yada. What I heard the applicant say is that the the original grading was done via permit is that so before I ask the next question was there a permit in place for

the original grading? Madame chair uh commissioner we understand that there is in speaking with Jerry Ronza was a permit issued. We don't have any record of it and we haven't we requested it from the houses and they haven't provided a record but the grading's occurred and that's one of the we do rec notice there probably was grading within the last year year and a half two years as well. Um so we want to make sure that we get proper permits. Okay. Would you like and I appreciate that. It sounds like you would like to also Yeah. Yeah. Would you like to make comment Ros and you just have to go up there because it's on YouTube sir. Thank you. My name is Tim Hos, 1010 Sanders Drive. When my son purchased when we purchased that lot, I sat down with public works. I sat down with the inspector at the time. I sat down pretty much with the city and went over things that I wanted to do that we wanted to do. The grading permit that is brought up was never to my understanding ever issued because when I sat down with Jerry, we went over detail of what I needed. He explained to me I needed this silk fencing down at the bottom to catch the sediment. and we went step by step on every development of this field. I consulted someone in the city unofficially but I

consulted. Why? Because I didn't want to break the laws. Didn't want to break the codes. what you're asking or what is required here on this I'm not agreeable to personally I think it's BS but again I'm a contractor I'm a person that follows the law as a contractor I follow the codes So, I'm adhering to what you're asking, but I guess under protest because I don't agree. As it's been said, three years we've been there and now this comes up. Come on. My the the I got different answers, but the one of them was because the septic's going in and because I'm on the city of Globe parcel. Again, I'm a contractor. in wastewater and there is no city sewer and the septic went in under approval with ADQ which is Hila County represents but it was put in for the purpose of a future home and I'm not made of bucks so we do this by steps and phases anyway to answer the question on the permit I paid a $50 fee at that time. And I can show you the cancel check um for that. It's in the file. The actual permit I don't think was ever

processed uh for it and that's being straight up. You're not going to find anything because it's not in my file. But I didn't go beat around. I didn't try and cut corners. I didn't do anything down there on the shai. So, it's basically everything I did. I consulted with someone to make sure the canopy removable, the shed portable. You can pick it up and I can move it wherever. Anyway, that's all I got. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. [Applause] And just just as a when for for for anyone who's listening and and those in the audience when we ask questions it doesn't necessarily mean that we're going for something or not. We're again we're trying to make sure that we understand exactly what's being put in. For example, we may be asking ourselves whether or not one of these conditions is necessary or not. that maybe why we're starting to ask those questions. Okay, I have more. Is that okay? Um there was a statement made about um the condition number four about the no more than 10 vehicle uh trips per day. I echo Debbie's comments that I live in a a little area that has just 10 houses on it. It's a little and I get 140 a day as well. So, I don't know that that's um quite feasible. Um I I struggle with that as well. Um and I did look up that Destiny School is nearby. So, could I ask you I think

you're the one that Oh, she's holding a baby now. Um for anybody who could answer this, when you drive to Destiny's school to pick up your driving along that form would drive like it sounds like there would be people that would drive on forward or on that uh one that starts finesse so if you're up at the top of the road where the red and the yellow meet that baseball field or the field that you're looking at adjacent that is Destiny schools so what happens is they have a pick a designated pickup area and then they also have a secondary road um that goes to the office. So they drop off on one side and then pick up on the other or pick up on both sides. I'm not too sure. Okay. But they come up prickly prickly pair to agave and then cut across. So that way you can drop down to Wallaman, you can drop down to Skyline and you can avoid going back into prickly pair. So there's multiple buses throughout the day with um Globe and Destiny schools as well as the Terren dropping off. Yeah, thank you. And I'm sorry I woke the baby. Okay. All right. Um I do have another question about um condition number three, the commercial and business use. Now this is a nonprofit, right? So Jacob's um could say the name for me again. I want to get it right. Jacob Field of Dreams. Yes. Okay. So the Field of Dreams is a nonprofit. Sometimes you might charge for training services. At other times you're not charging for training services. Is that right? Correct. Yes. Okay. So I struggle with adding in condition three because a nonprofit is technically a business. With that said, I don't necessarily, and this is a

question more for my fellow commissioners, I don't necessarily want to set a precedent where we're starting to say that businesses can creep into residential areas. So I'm not sure how to handle that. Right. Well, I think that has to be on a case by case basis pretty much anyway because anything like that is going to require conditional use permit. Okay. So, the thought process that I had while I was reviewing this before was that part of our responsibilities oursel or to go over the codes that we're enforcing to see if they are logical to see if they need to be enhanced or diminished or whatever the case may be. This is the most people I've seen in this chamber in all the years I've lived in Globe. So, you know, and starting the communication process with the city of Globe through planning and zoning. So, I mean, there are things that are going to have to be reviewed. We've already talked to Dana about that multiple times. So, I don't think that one's such a big one, Mary. But shouldn't we then should it not it shouldn't be part of this, right? I I believe that. Thank you. That's how I Okay. would we modify that one just out of curiosity to something around the statement of because these exist in other parts of the world not far from here the concept of private park space um similar concept to HOA park things like that so essentially this is this is a park space right it is a what we'd considered quasi public I think is the way city code is things like that written um it's just like uh Hill Street school's grand opening Right. They have a plaza space out front. That's a quasi public space. It's a park space, but it's not It's public, but it's not public. It's this weird gray area. Would this be something we would This is setting a new precedence. But we cons we considered setting a new precedence of the concept of a private park being an acceptable conditional use permit because private parks can therefore be they can be leased out

utilized by um businesses while also controlling what that might be at the same time. I don't know might open a whole another can of worms. I think it's more of a question for Dana. That's a hard one. I'm sorry. Madam Chair, Commissioner Asavdo. So obviously the code is I think pretty clear that commercial and business it states specifically that commercial and business activities are prohibited in the zoning district. So I think to make an exception in through a use permit is very slippery slope. We've had in recent years commercial businesses operating in a uh residential area and it didn't go over well. Mhm. Um, and we've had other similar situations. So, I would suggest like the other item uh regarding trips for day, if you're looking at uh violating your own code, I would definitely suggest you don't do that tonight and you will have a discussion and we look at and do the research of what is an appropriate commercial business outside of home occupation because that's allowed. What is an appropriate commercial activity in a residential neighborhood? That's a much broader issue. Like I said, once you allow it, how are you then going to disallow somebody requesting commercial use? Um, so the 4 is under the umbrella of University of Arizona. So it's we do educational. I don't sell anything. I don't manufacture anything. I don't money doesn't exchange hands on the field. None of that. All we do is educate people. That's all the three of us do. I myself even with people that come in and I work with them. We're about education. I'm not I'm not really like a business business and

we carry insurance. The UFA carries insurance for those purposes. I carry insurance for those purposes because of course we work with dogs and they're unpredictable. But it's all about education. So isn't that different from a business or a commercial? Wouldn't that be considered different? So consider most of us are not worried about what y'all are doing. We all think it's beautiful. What we're worried about is the precedent that we're going to set that somebody else can come in behind and lose that would hurt the community in the future. And it has nothing to do with what and I know that's that's kind of like of course it has to do with us. That's why we're all here tonight is for this this program. But that's how a lot of us are thinking is is trying to think about that future. are we creating a foothold for somebody else to abuse the community through this in the future? And that's why we're trying to be careful right now about making sure that we're still supporting what the community wants because that's our job. We're community members. You know, we're representing the community in this decision, if you will, to a degree. And so, we're trying to represent that. We're also trying to make sure nobody can get a foothold in a negative way in the future. That's why we're being a little bit Does that make sense? It sort of does, but I just want to point out that we are for educational purposes. Yes. But somebody else could come along and say, well, a nonprofit it's it's all it's about this word business and that's why your education nobody argues that it's the next guy that comes along five years from now and uses this as a precedent to do something that would hurt the community. And I'm not trying to I work in HR so I apologize for the legal speak in advance. Okay. Uh, it's it's about looking at that legal precedent. That's all. I understand legal precedence, but I also understand that I don't think that this would set precedence for someone to come into a residential neighborhood and be able to start up a

business. Even a nonprofit wouldn't be able to start up like as a business because I don't I don't think of I don't see how a nonprofit is a business. It's defined. But now there are other provisions where like the whole occupancy right like that allows for business and that was and I don't mean to shift but I think the reason that home occupancy didn't apply here home based occ then because does it have to be four walls like it's a private property in a residential area? That's defined in our zoning code. Chair dwelling. Yeah. And so for the purposes of the CUP, uh obviously it's our recreational use and that's what's being presented to you. So on ARS 11820, it defines like a homebased business and in accordance with state law, homebased businesses are permitted as a principal use in rural and residential zoning communities. Correct. And that was why I really appreciate the research that you did. Thank you. I appreciate the research others did. And I think uh as as I just asked Dana why we couldn't use that. It's because there's not a dwelling on the property yet. We need you to grow up and put a dwelling there very soon, sir. And I don't mean to be facitious. Please don't take it as disrespectful at all. We're really trying to find a solution here. So, would a dwelling I'm Caitlyn Hos Burke, uh, 1651 North Weightfields Road. Would a dwelling be considered, if I put a shed and a bed and a toilet, would that be considered a dwelling? Madame Chair, there's a lot of different I mean, we could go down a lot of rabbit holes. It's not that simple, unfortunately. Um, there is a definition, but this I'd like to hear

it, please. Definitely definitely not that. We'd have to see what are you proposing and go through that. But I'd sit here and go through those iterations right now when there's not even a dwelling there on the site. Um, but we do have I'll read you the definition of a dwelling. So Dana, real quick, are there two parcel numbers for each one of these if they combine the parcels with their house be considered a dwelling? There's no across the street. So dwelling myself actually I think I just get to add okay so that's to make life easier that's it no more madam chair commissioners uh so the definition of dwell dwelling a one family dwelling shall mean a building containing only a single dwelling unit. So then that leaves it up to me to interpret the rest. But yeah, it's full housekeeping facility, bedroom, kitchen, bath, like I said. And so the reason that the homebased occupation u was not considered for this is because there's not a dwelling on the property. But if if discussion were to be had about constitutes a dwelling then perhaps we wouldn't be looking at a recreational CP we might be looking at a different process is that fair to say uh yes okay the last question that I have not open words but I apologize um the last question I have is hopefully very very simple um number 11 when it says if requested coordinate with city public works department to provide dedication of the Sanders drive right of way I'm nervous nervous about the phrase if

requested. Let's say that the city requests it, but the private property owner does not want that. Um, how how can that be phrased such that it's an agreement? It's not just the city can request it. It does sound kind of strong army. Yeah. And if I could, uh, Mr. House, would you like to dedicate the right away? And I I I would like to say that decisions shouldn't be made in the heat of the moment, right? Like we definitely not trying to ask you to make a decision about that today. In fact, we're trying to make sure that the that homeowners and and governments come to agreements about things in in a proper and timed format. Um, and that's why I want to revisit the language here that says if requested. I definitely want to make sure that that's cleaned up to say it's more along the lines of if the property owner and the city agree then it could be dedicated as a right of way. And I I don't even know if that needs to be stated in here because that can be done regardless of whether or not we're zoning this as recreation, right? That would be a completely separate process, right? Correct. So, I I think we should I would suggest to my fellow commissioners that 11 just come right out. That's it for me. I Okay. Well, and you you beat me to it on 11 because I thought the same thing that it didn't feel I didn't didn't feel doesn't feel right. My my question is and it may have already been answered is about the lighting. So, is it the is the lighting does your lighting meet what what this says your solar lighting? It doesn't even shine outside. No, like it says shielded if over 75 watts. So, is it over 75 watts? Okay. So, does that need to be in there either? Madame Chair and commissioners, typically when you're discussing uses and mitigating activities in

residential neighborhoods, lighting is a very common issue. And so we have a lighting code that restricts like trespass and is specific to these things. And that code specifically implements that language that. All right. So, we just want to make sure if people start complaining, it's clear that but just looking at the photos, there's no trespass and I think it's buried where something can't, you know, another property probably won't be able to see it. Uh, but you don't know who's going to have that property in five years like you mentioned, chooses to bring out a different lighting scenario. Could we request it to not be solar powered only because like they said in the future we'll probably have a house down there, things like that. So, solar might not a thing in six months. We decide to run power to the property and we have a panel down there and I'd hate to restrict you. That's that's I think the point of this, right? You know, I was just taking what I was given. Okay. So, I'd say in terms of type of are we striking solar power? I'd strike the solar portion. I think the lighting portion is appropriate for commercial use. We had something similar to this a year ago in another residential neighborhood. the same I think almost the same language minus the solar powered that just seems really limiting to me did you have any others I do you want to go first I can no go ahead because you brought up 11 and then with the lighting because I yeah because I was a little uncomfortable with both those but I'm good strike the solar part yes so we'll strike uh solar powered lights. So, restricted to fully shielded over 75 watts. If over 75 watt fully sh uh shall be restricted to fully shielded if over 75 watts.

Yep. Uh okay. So, I have looking at the outline pieces just as we're talking more and I'm just looking through every last little piece. I think we missed something that says we accept the fence as it sits today. Yeah, we need to add the fence and then we need to add that thing about that. Yep. Um, and can we be clear about what we mean by adding fence, Justin? Yes. So, what we would want to outline with that fence is that we are approving uh this is where it gets really challenging because I don't like to just blanket approve things that have been rather challenging in the past two years with fence approvals when it comes to chain link. It's been a really sore spot. We have an image. What's the What's your goal? Because there's an image attached to the exhibit. So yeah, looking at the image, um I think potentially what we'd be looking at is more so we we'd consider this livestock fencing. Um I think that's what county code has for something like this where it's pipe rail fencing and we typically call that like a hogwire mesh. Okay. Um so that may be considered more on the agricultural side of it. Um would we normally I think consider that more of a a livestock fence. Madam Chair, Commissioner Sea, are you trying to define exactly what Trying to define what that is? Because what I want to make sure we're not doing because we have had many other applicants come to us in my time frame on the commission to request to have some sort of chain link, wire fencing, etc., etc. And we have been quite strict, we're very restrictive as to what that might be. This is a really unique site because we're like we're way down out of the way. It's a very special use. And I think having a determining factor that does relate it back to livestock is actually fairly common in other entities

across the state. Um for those that don't know, um I'm a practicing landscape architect. Um and I work all over the state. That's why I'm only here on the weekends for the most part. I'm always driving around. Um but I see this quite frequently a lot of other places. I think it just kind of makes sense that this might be something that we look at adding. I mean, we're talking I think everywhere from I think we worked on a project in Jerome that had something similar to this a number of years ago to like god I hate to say the word but like Scottdale has a livestock fence. We've got Florence has something I believe about livestock fencing. So just looking at it's I think it's an appropriate thing possibly for us to send maybe as a president um for this particular use. Yep. So livestock fencing is Yeah. Exactly. Um, so livestock fencing typically includes things like hogwire mesh that includes pipe rail fencing for horses. Any kind of a stock panel. Um, I think this may fall in line with but I think we might want to set some parameters as to why it's there. Why can't we just bet that for the use that it's currently being done for that's being approved if that fencing is allowed to stay on the property as is unless the changes for whatever purpose comes next if any. And I I do agree it's pretty clear obviously this item is agendaized in for a fence special fence and we've got the image and an explanation. It's wiretype fencing which is how our code defines it. So I feel comfortable allowing that to exist with that language. Okay. And not, you know, so if there's a change, is that fair? Well, it allows for a change if we have to a later use of the property. Again, chair, audience, applicants, I'm sorry, we're getting so in the weeds here. We're going to talk about this probably a few more minutes. Um, but

again, just want to make sure we've got Last thing in here, uh, special events. So, one of the things back on like page three of notes, um, was actually first page, who knows where was it, doesn't matter. Um, we were chatting about the fact that uh our 4 in Hila County actually hosted the first dog event for 4 uh since so that that's actually what I'm asking is train and that kind of got my brain going a little bit in the fact that you could potentially have a special event here someday. today. Um, and just for those online, because I know we didn't get up and speak, um, the event did not happen on site, so it happened another location. Um, but I think what I'd like to make possibly make sure and discuss with the other commissioners about if and with Dana and staff, uh, if it would be appropriate or if there's already something in city codes about just applying for a special event permit, would this qualify within that kind of realm? So, we didn't need to have anything here on site. And which number was that again? So, it's not in there. So, this is just me. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. I considered that. I did anticipate whatever when there's event or a future user. Hey, I want to have a big event watch this train uh dog races or whatever it is. Obviously, that's going to have a significant impact. I don't uh they could come and requ uh you know we're in a neighborhood again so that would be a hard one I think to get a special event permit for uh but if there's an advertisement process you know public hearing type of thing hey this is what they're requesting then maybe okay so it doesn't cause any restrictions I looking way down that road yeah so I think I would rather avoid going down that road because there is a city process I think could handle that pretty easily and we

have to do that for everything from like if we have a event on Main streets to if we host an event down post down to the rail, if we anything anywhere has to have a special event permit. So, I just want to make sure we weren't restricting the property in any weird way that we shouldn't be um to restrict you further. I think that's all of them. Finally, I think item 12. Yeah, I've already Yeah, I'm good. Could we summarize what we're making changes to? May I take us? Yeah, let's Yeah, I don't there's any changes to number one. I don't believe there's any changes to where we landed. I'm really struggling with that because it is a I I would like to strike that again. That's a precedent though the other commissioners on how we want to handle that. If we don't strike three, she cannot run that nonprofit on that site. Does that make sense? Unless y'all can find a loophole that I'm just not seeing and I'm open to it. Again, it's a recreational use. they've agreed that it's a recreational use of no stock and trade and not a commercial activity on the site. Uh again, you need I think a much longer discussion and ultimately council's review of any language that's going to make such a significant change to a R16 single family zoning district. That's substantial. Does it clarify at all? I have one question because like I feel like I wrote this down like three different ways. So most of this is being run through 4. It's all 4 thing. Um, but

then do you also have a business that operates on site doing other training exercises it sounds like or is that worker classes for puppies? Classes for puppies. Okay. Yeah. And is that under a business license or I can do it under my business license but I have people that volunteer. So it's just volunteer 100%. We can qualify this as 4. So at that point it does put it into a weird business operations standpoint because 4 is technically run by the University of Arizona which is therefore a state entity which is therefore not technically a business within the state even though 4 is across the country there are ones that operate as their own nonprofits um but they're not but this one does not isn't running this let's be clear this is a hass volunter ering to train dogs. Can we can we can we change it to say commercial and business use is prohibited on the site except those specifically peritted as a home occup. Understood. But since this is a conditional use permit for this specific property for this purpose, why can't we put the name of that purpose in here? Does that an unfair process for the entire code. It does. Yeah. Right. Uh anybody requesting a use permit on a single family property could say it's a business and you Well, how are you going to deny it? [Music] I think you guys are being that. Yeah, I think we're fine. Yeah. for

being four goes. We need to make the provision for that so that we don't have to go through this again again. We're bending a Okay. So, three and four stay even though we know. Okay. Where did we land on five? It stays even though we know the four. Yep. Because it stays for any future. Perfect. Stays. What did we already done? Done. So it's perfect. So then does it stay? Yeah, it's already done. And then eight is fine. We solar powered power comes out. 10 is fine. 11 comes out. 12 is fine. And then we're adding the two additional conditions about the fence and the portaott. Correct. Yes. So, I think the language we would probably use for that is along the lines of a portable toilet facility not exceeding. There any chance you'd ever have more than like one or two portagons out there or we always have one? Perfect. That's what I want to hear. I just want to make sure if you wanted us to put we might have two then we'll put two. The neighbors don't want to see them pee out. I I think we would all rather avoid that. Correct. So, we could say a single-use portable uh rest. It should really just say toilet facility, I think. Um because rest facility brings other things. I think your issue is that it's in the setback. So, portto be located outside of setback. Uh outside setback and I want it to be able to be on site for the full two years of our conditional use permit. It's 10 years. 10 years. Oh, 10. Sorry, my bad. Wrote down two here. Sorry. I'm like two, this feels like a nightmare. Let's not be located outside of setback setback and may extend past the uh if you leave it at that, it's part of

the until the usage is done. Okay, perfect. Love that. Uh and then fence. This is the tricky one where we just got to make sure we craft some words on it. Do you have any recommendations? Existing wire. I you know I think the language personally is fine and the image attached to the exhibit, but if you want to have something uh chain link or wiretype fencing as included in the staff exhibit a to be allowed uh for the use of for securing the paddic. I think that works. Yeah. Paddic. Livestock paddic. Let's add livestock in there just for fun. Well, we don't want to cows aren't allowed in this district. So anyway, wiretight. Yep. Okay. Now, Shel, for the record, if one of us decides to make this motion, do we have to repeat all of this or is this good enough? Refer to stipulations as amended. Excellent. Okay. Stipulations as amended. Sure. May I ask our folks out here one last question? Sure. Just want to make sure. Is there any big red flags on what we're talking about up here for y'all? Are there any big red flags in what we're talking about up here at the moment? Okay, that's what I want to hear. I want to make sure this is going off on happy footing at this point. All right. Do we have any further discussion? Do I have a motion? A motion to approve case number up-25-01 conditional use permit to allow outdoor recreation use for K9 training. special and a special purpose wire fence with the following conditions with the new stipulations as amended. Second. Okay, I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed?

Nay. Motion passes. [Applause] [Music] [Applause] All right. Do we have any future business? First off, I know we're getting ready to run out. Thank you so much. This was a real Thank you all. I'm sorry. Yeah. Dis has to respond to future. Yeah. I'm going to go Everyone meeting over here. Shel, do we have any further business? Do we have any further? No. Okay. Do I have a motion? Motion to adjourn. Second. Motion. A motion. All those in favor say I. I. Done. Thank you. Thank you for speaking. Yeah, we get to be on your side and we get to try to fight as much as possible. [Music] How'd you get there? Yeah. Amazing project. I love it.

Got nine of them. Just a couple. I had no idea. There's your surprise.