Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

I 28th planning and zoning regular meeting to order. This meeting is being held in person as well as via zoom. So dial in is 7193594580 ID 86380550264. And I think, should I seek alternate frail first before the roll call? Okay um i'll take a motion to seek. alternate frail for this group. tonight. Commissioner houghton.

that's what it's so sorry move to see Jim frail as an alternate to PNC mission.

Okay. Mayor Mrakas, Commissioner Jones second Okay, we have a motion in a second let's just do a hand vote all in favor aye opposed okay welcome Jim. Mayor Mrakas, Okay let's do the roll call.

All right. Roll call. Kyle Jones. Sorry. Patrick Corcoran. Amy Connerton. Not present. Patrick Waller.

Peter Waller. That's my son.

I went to school with his son. That's why.

John Houghton.

Connie Guymon. Jim Frail.

Okay, we have a quorum. Okay, the minutes are going to be delayed as the month was typed in incorrectly. So we'll review the minutes at the next meeting for the June meeting. Okay, comments from citizens appearing for items not on the agenda. Okay, move on. Okay, the first item is a, so we're planning and zoning, but we also act as the Building Board of Appeals. So this is a Building Board of Appeals item. So it's an appeal 0000672026 on 506 Maple. Trent?

Good evening, Planning and Zoning Commissioners, or right now acting as the Building Board of Appeals. I'm Trent Hyatt, the Community Development Director, here in place of Emery Ellingson tonight, presenting Case VAR 56-2026. I'm sorry, I've got the wrong one here. I apologize. Let me change this. No, I'm presenting Appeal 67-2026, related to 506 Maple Street. And tonight, your consideration is the building officials interpretation of Chapter 903.2.8 of the International Building Code, adopted as the 2021 edition, that a group R1 occupancy requires an automatic fire sprinkler system. With appeals, staff does not provide you a recommendation. It's the applicant's job to present to you evidence as to why the building official's interpretation of the code was incorrect. Per 706070C3C2, we would only include the necessary facts to warrant an appeal, which will be provided mostly by the applicant. Your code administration, the code allows for the building board of appeals to hear and decide appeals based on decisions of determinations made by the building official. Relative to the application, the specific interpretation of the code at hand. The appeal process is a mechanism for those applicants to seek administrative relief from our building officials' interpretation of the code. You are the appellate body for any interpretations by the building official. If your decision were to be appealed, it would be appealed to city council. And then any decision of city council that is appealed would be in district court in accordance with state law. You are governed by the officially adopted building code, which is the IDC in this instance, 2021 version, as I mentioned. And your decision is to is to whether or not the building official interpreted the provisions of the building code or that they do not apply to the specific case being proposed. Your options are to affirm the decision of the building official, to reverse the decision of the building official, or continue the application for additional information from the applicant. At this time, I'll turn it over to the applicant, Susan Wilmot, or the owner, or her daughter, Rebecca.

And could you please state your name?

Yes, hello. My name is Susan Wilmot. This is my daughter, Rebecca Blodgett. And I'll wait for her to continue. Well, first of all, I'd like to thank each of the board members this evening for your service to our community. I know it's voluntary. And thank you very much for your time and attention to this matter on our behalf this evening. I just want to give a brief history of who we are. I purchased 506 Maple Street in 1998 with the express purpose of creating a spa that was dedicated to healing and wellness. And my vision was to provide both local residents and visitors a chance to receive exceptional massage therapy and related healing modalities. This would include Watsu, which is an exquisite aquatic therapy that was unique to the area and only offered by Splendor Mountain Spa. So back in 1998, when I purchased the property, I hired Howie Raley, who was a friend of the family. He had just graduated from Colorado University as an architect. He was also willing to do the building, not just the designing. And so together we formed a plan and we transformed a very rough outbuilding into a really beautiful and welcoming studio for the healing arts. And for the next 27 years, I was privileged to practice in that space. and WATSU became our signature service and it set our spa apart from all the others in this region. Eventually, however, my therapy pool reached the end of its useful life. Replacing the equipment was going to require way too much money and after nearly three decades of practice, It was time to put me out to pasture, you know, a little long in the tooth there. And so I was ready to move on with my life. And we had to decide what should we do with this wonderful cottage that has served our business for so long. And it just seemed the natural evolution was to become a stay spa. We could transform this cottage into a very nice, comfortable place for our clients to stay while they're here in Glenwood Springs. It's a wonderful location. It's one block from the hot springs pool. It's right by the pedestrian bridge. It just seemed ideally suited for this purpose. And again it's a niche for us there's no other spa in the area that provides housing for their guests so get a massage and it's just a short walk to your bedroom it just seemed like a perfect fit for us. So we're here tonight to respectfully request that. we're asking for an appeal from the requirement. to install an automatic fire sprinkler system to our existing 400 square foot detached guest cottage.

We tried to comply with this requirement. We contacted both plumbing and fire sprinkler contractors to see if we could get the system installed. The existing water pressure is adequate, but unfortunately our piping is too small. We also tried to see if we could do a storage tank option, but the cottage has neither an attic nor a crawl space, so a storage tank is not a feasible option. The only remaining option is to excavate and replace the entire water service from the street at an estimated cost of over $60,000. For our small family business that represents a major infrastructure project that we simply cannot undertake. That's why we're here tonight after exploring every practical alternative to respectfully ask the board to consider the consideration and the unique circumstances of this existing 400 square foot building. While we agree that fire safety is the utmost importance, if we believed this building posed an unreasonable risk to our guests, we would not be asking for this appeal. To help ensure guest safety, we've implemented several important life safety measures. The cottage has a combination smoke detector and carbon monoxide detector, two wall-mounted fire extinguishers located in different areas of the building, and we would happily install more if needed. After the installation of our code-compliant egress window next week, we will have two means of exits on opposite sides of the building. It will only have a max occupancy of four guests with no smoking allowed. This is a very small, detached 400 square foot building surrounded by an alley, two parking spaces, and a concrete patio. We respectfully ask that the Commission to consider those unique characteristics together with the life safety measures we've already implemented and the efforts we've made to comply as you evaluate our request.

And I would just like to add, you know, that Glenwood Springs really is, it's a remarkable place to live. It's a remarkable place to visit. We're blessed with two world-class hot springs resorts. We have two beautiful rivers joining together here and we're surrounded by extraordinarily beautiful natural beauty. Also, what makes Glenwood Springs unique and what I treasure just as much is how the restaurants, the shops, the boutiques, the galleries, many businesses, including our spa, were all locally owned and family operated. And this is what makes Glenwood Springs feel authentic to people. We offer a personal level of care and quality that can't be replicated by large corporate chains. But the challenges facing small businesses today are very significant. We've had to adapt, evolve, invest, invest in our property, And now we need your approval to continue. So this appeal is about more than one small building. It's about preserving a small family business that's been part of Glenwood Springs for nearly three decades. It's about allowing our responsible local businesses to evolve so that we can survive. We respectfully ask for your approval, so that we can continue welcoming guests serving our Community and contributing to the unique character that makes Glenwood springs such a special place so again, thank you for your time your thoughtful consideration and your service to our Community.

Okay, thank you very much. You don't mind Stan will open will have questions for you from the from the Commission or from the yes, where the Board of Appeals so from the Board of Appeals. Questions. Well, I have some questions. So, yeah, we hadn't seen this before. So, you know, thank you very much for. Yeah, I mean, for me, it was good to see the floor plan or the site plan and how you're, you know, how this guest cottage is on here, too. So so the guest cottage is is separate. It's two separate buildings. Are both buildings standalone buildings? Okay. And one question I have on was we, we had heard to that the square footage is. I saw 400 square foot in your presentation and the staff had said, little over 500 square foot 20 by 20 it's it's 20 by 20 it's exactly 400. Okay. And the entrances then are the front and the rear. I saw something in part of the package that talked about putting kitchen equipment or anything in there? So what all is inside?

Currently, we had found out that if we had wanted to turn the back building into an ADU, the fire sprinkler requirement would be forgiven. But in order to do that, we would have to install a permanent cooking structure, which we just would really rather not do because the space itself is so much better for a short-term rental. It's a very small space. There's no storage. place to even put a bookshelf so it's not a very good place for someone to live live um which is why we don't have the cooking apparatus in there so it's it's basically a studio it's basically a studio okay and then i can see on this floor plan the entrances are basically the front and the rear and there's like a sitting area and Correct. There's a little city area with a futon that they could pull out for two people to sleep, and then one bed for a queen bed, a bathroom, and then a little area like a kitchenette with a table, a microwave, a sink, and a place to make coffee.

Okay. Yeah, and then I think you did a good job for me explaining it's four gas max, and I'm assuming that it's a gas heat because you have a carbon monoxide.

That's true. There's a gas furnace.

It's a gas furnace, yeah, for extinguishers. So I guess that question I kind of have for staff here is that so if we have some questions on code or that sort of thing, which is maybe beyond these guys purview, how does that play into the agenda here into the process here?

Dave Kuntz, We can certainly provide background on how we came to the decision that is the part of the appeal tonight it's certainly it's not the decision that is in front of you as it specifically request to the applicable code requirement, but happy to provide some background.

Okay um. Dave Kuntz, To you should these guys stay up while we ask those questions to be part of that or should, should we. Dave Kuntz, kind of roll through it and then, and then they can come back and we have a discussion again, I think you can, if you want to pull other people up to ask questions regarding.

Dave Kuntz, You know the background on the code section or anything like that I think that's fine and then give the applicants an opportunity to respond to that.

Okay. Dave Kuntz, Any other questions for the applicant.

Commissioner, how what I mean is the what's labeled the main spa building on the site plan is that is the use of that building only as far as a home occupancy or.

yeah I I live there, I have a bedroom. Building the main home yeah on the property, thank you it's a good question.

Other questions for the APP for the applicant. Okay. Commissioner Gaily.

So what options were you given as far as our one residential group are one ADU short term rental? What were the options that you were given to?

They said because we wanted to do it as a short term rental, the building is automatically classified into the R1 occupancy, which is where the fire sprinkler code comes into effect. Um, we're just asking the board to see if the requirement is actually proportionate to the building that is here in front of you as being only 400 square feet and brick construction. It's the fire danger for the building is, I believe low on the lower end as it's not opposed. There's not a full hotel. which are one occupancies are designed to protect and help with. And this is not necessarily where I feel like we fall into, but because we would like to do it as short-term rental, that's where we fall into.

okay um i have another question too i saw in the staff report that there were several other items when the the building official planning and fire department came out and did the the inspection of your your unit and so it sounds like all of the other issues are not an issue the only thing that is an issue is the is the fire sprinklers exactly

Yes, we've got the egress window is going in next week. It's already been ordered. It's special custom made to fit into the space that we have for it. And that will be installed next week. All the other things that they had requested of us for very minimal small things to do around there, caulking and a few other things that we have already taken care of.

Okay. Thank you. John Potter, Okay looks like there's no more questions for you guys at this time, so so what we'll do is we'll we'll have questions of staff and then you can come up again, and we can have more conversation on it, so thank you very much yeah. Okay questions for staff.

Commissioner Farrell. Mr. Hyatt, is this building inspector's report or experience different than what he had performed on this site? In other words, in Glenwood Springs, is it unusual to have this type of a decision to require sprinklers in a unit?

You know, I'll let the building inspector, Victor Mraz, speak for himself. He's here, but for this occupancy type, no, fire sprinkler systems are not. I do want to just clarify and, you know, obviously love the business and we've tried to work with Ms. Wellmont and Rebecca as much as possible to date to try to figure out how we can accommodate this use and her operation in in the city. It's a pretty open-ended zone district in which the property is located, and it allows for a lot of different uses. The difficulty here is that we cannot categorize this in terms of zoning, and let's make sure that we have these two things separate, right? We're talking about Title 060, which is the applicable building code requirements, and we're talking about Title 070 of the code, which is zoning and dimensional requirements. It would allow for a business, a spa. However, the short-term rental, and she wants to short-term rent this space. We cannot call this a short-term rental in terms of the development code because short-term rentals are limited to one within every 250 feet. It falls within the buffer of another short-term rental in the Maple Street neighborhood, which We can't call this an accessory dwelling unit. Accessory dwelling units are accessory to a single family home. While there is a home on this lot, there's also a business being operated here. So this is a mixed use situation. So the only way that we could accommodate the use of this building in terms of zoning would be that this is a lodging unit. within that zone well in order for that to be a lodging unit it has to meet the applicable building code occupancy requirements of r1 which do require a fire sprinkler so it's a kind of a conversation of you know is it this or is it that but we can't categorize it for something um for zoning that allows the use but then that categorize it for something else in terms of the building code that's applicable to that type of use

So I guess my question is that he's familiar with this type of inspection and report.

Yes, most certainly, as well as our fire marshal, Robin Pitt, who's also here. Thank you.

Commissioner Corcoran.

The lodging, is there any minimum square footages requirements that would, is it just a blanket designation for the property?

John Potter, i'm not aware of any minimum lodging requirements, there are certainly some in the residential code, but perhaps Victor can answer that better than I can.

Oh they're not.

John Potter, Would you please Victor coming up to the podium. Oh.

Hi, I'm Victor Meraz, a building official. What was the question again?

Sorry. I'm just trying to understand if could you build a lodge in Glenwood Springs for 300 square feet and it would still be a lodge? So there's no square footage minimum on this?

I'm sorry. Anything that's classified as an R residential or R1, R2, R3, R4 has to be sprinkled. The only thing the city amended was on the single home that will be more than 2,000 square feet, then it has to be sprinkled. But the rest of it has to be sprinkled.

Okay.

You're welcome. Commissioner Houghton.

What? And I apologize. This is going to sound like a tangent. But what is the minimum for this to be considered attached? Would a breezeway make this attached?

The problem here is that the zoning doesn't allow for the rest of it. It has to be an R1. to make it an overnight stay. They can do the business, they can do the massage, and they continue with that the way it is. But if they're trying to change it to an overnight stay, that has to be changed.

I guess what I'm getting at is that an owner-occupied house with rooms that's rented, a lodging house, is an R3. Yes. Which, if we're altering an R3, falls under the IRC, and alterations and additions don't need to be sprinkled. Yes, it has to. Anything classified as an art has to be spring. I guess, would you consider a breezeway connecting the two? Would that be one structure or two structures? I don't know if there's an analogous project that you can think of, like maybe a garage that's attached by a breezeway to a single family home. Is that one structure or two?

Well, I don't see anything about it. How can you do that with that on this particular project?

Is the question or the intent of the question, John, to try to understand if this were connected to the house, would it then be more like an accessory tourist rental as a room being rented in the house? And would that be permissible?

Well, in R3, a transient lodging house with five or fewer guest rooms and 10 or fewer occupants or an owner-occupied house falls under the IRC, which is where our amendment about fire sprinklers lives.

So it's a question that's more potentially a solution to the problem. I'm just asking questions.

I think the answer is yes.

I guess my question is, what would it take for these to be considered attached versus detached? And maybe that's something to be sorted out later. OK.

Yeah, it's a good question. And I will note that certainly that was one of the options that we provided to the applicant was to simply have this unit, this lodging unit within the existing home. However, I don't think that functioned well with their operation and their living situation.

And then are there any square footage thresholds? Like in the IFC likely where sprinklers are exempt in Glenwood.

I didn't see any type of limits on square footage on the code.

2,000 square feet.

For R3. Yeah. For a single home, it's at 2,000 square feet. Less than 2,000 square feet, you don't need to sprinkle it on a new home.

I believe that's what we amended it to. It was a blanket requirement.

Another great question. I think, you know, we would certainly have to analyze the existing structure, too, and then what the occupancy of that was and that determination. But great question. Thank you, sir.

Okay. Commissioner Corcoran.

Oh, no, I don't have a question. I'm sorry.

Please.

Okay, Commissioner Gohmann.

I thought we had discussed months ago about waiving the sprinkler requirement and ADUs as well.

That was when you're building a new ADU. We were requiring to get sprinkled. That's when the code would change again. That's when we adopted that only 2,000 square foot and up. It's going to get sprinkled. But if you're building an ADU next to your house, you don't need to sprinkle it.

So is it less safe to have an ADU that's less than 400 square feet without a sprinkler than having a transitional lodging unit that's 400 square feet? Yes.

It's not less safe. I mean, it should be everything, but we changed it. You changed it.

Commissioner Gaiman, to answer your question, we have discussed the possibility of just limiting ADUs from the sprinkler requirement altogether. That has not been codified. We still would allow for an ADU to not be sprinklered if it was part of a structure that was still less than 2,000 square feet under the current code. I also want to clarify, this is not an accessory dwelling unit, and we can't classify this as an accessory dwelling unit under the zoning of the property.

I understand that, but it's a building that has people sleeping in it and I understand their zoning and non zoning I get that like the zones of them. But i'm just thinking as a like in a logical way, a building in the town of glenn or city of glenwood either needs a sprinkler doesn't need a sprinkler seems odd to me that just because you're classifying it as one thing that it would.

David Ensign, Yeah, I think the difficulty there is there are a lot of things like that underneath code and frankly underneath the I codes in particular. And when we start doing local amendments like we have David Ensign, underneath the version of those codes that they would suggest you adopted everything would be sprinkler. David Ensign, Yes. And so it is a local amendment that exempted some things. It was not a recommendation of the International Building. David Ensign, But it was a recommendation. uh code council that certain things shouldn't be sprinkled or certain things should be they would like everything that has a human being in it to be sprinkled so that that's where it gets a little odd when you guys start tinkering with those things for good for good reasons oftentimes for good political reasons but it creates these these areas where there are differences the question tonight is yes or no, does it fit into this classification and does this classification require a spring? Yes.

So could you, and I don't know, who it is, but go through again and just explain the difference between, you know, this being, I mean, it's not an ADU. In fact, the applicant even talked, you know, we're not asking for an ADU and that it's like a lodging unit. So it's like a commercial space. I mean, and that's the, that's the basic reason behind the code is that, I mean, why, why the recommendation from the building official was to, that you need sprinklers. Is that, am I saying that correct?

I think the interpretation and application of the code by the building official was that it was required to be sprinkled. It's not a recommendation to you. That was... Right.

No, I understand that.

You know, his interpretation of the code. So if yours is different, then you could find it not needing to be sprinkled.

So if we, and I don't know how everything else goes, but Commissioner Houghton talked about Board of Trustees Meeting? Board of Trustees Meeting? How do we make it be a single dwelling? And I mean, it sounded like if it was a single dwelling, then sprinklers would not.

Board of Trustees Meeting? Yeah, i'm gonna probably guide you guys away from trying to solve the problem. That's not the question in front of you, unfortunately. Board of Trustees Meeting? The question in front of you is, is it required to be sprinkled or not under the code and underneath the conditions today? John Potter, And I know that feels different than what you do as a planning Commission, a lot of times, which is when you're trying to come up with solutions and you're spitballing up there, because you have more flexibility. John Potter, This is kind of a binary decision tonight the applicant wants to come back with a different formulation of the property that would be a different issue okay that's not your role tonight as a board of appeals okay.

John Potter, It so in the packet from staff, we saw the code. I mean, could we see the specific code for, you know, I would like to see that that says, here's where it's, you know, what's required and why they're appealing what the decision that was made. Do you have a copy of that you could put up for us?

Yeah, and I think that there's a summary of that table included on pages three. Yeah, three of the package. But yeah, we've got the code book here too. We can mention it to you specifically. That's Victor, if you're looking, 903.2.8. Yes.

Hmm?

Oh, I don't see one. Yeah, I think we're good.

Oh, sorry.

It doesn't show the code signals.

We could, we could pass the book around.

It's actually not published. It's a copyrighted document.

Yeah. My favorite part about the icons. Okay.

Good evening. One of the questions was, why are sprinklers exempt in the code? Really, if you look at the code and the intent of where sprinklers are, it's to protect lives. So every residential property should have a sprinkler. I know we have some exemptions here in town. But if you look at the exemptions, it's like elevator rooms, machine rooms. closets, right? Not where people are resting their heads and especially in a transient location, right? And we look at where we are in Glenwood, we do have other boutique hotels that are complying with this R1.

All that little fine print. Now again, well, I, I guess my. So is it is it is it all of this Victor.

This is the. interpretation of it. Okay. Okay.

What do you say, John? On the code, I mean, is it, I mean, okay, let me just kind of edit. In any building, so yeah, so that's what the code says, so then it's an interpretation, is kind of what you said, yep. okay so while we're looking at that i'm just going to ask are there any more questions of staff and then we'll um ask the applicant to come back up and see if they have any other further comments and public comment as well on this one please okay any other questions of staff be good connie

What does it mean that it should be noted that buildings constructed under the IRC are not included in group art and would not therefore be subject to particular requirements? What does that mean?

International Residential Code is not for this type of occupancy. It's automatically bumped to the International Building Code. Again, you know, we can't process this as a use that would be allowed under the IRC because an accessory, I'm sorry, a short-term rental nor an ADU are allowed in this circumstance. So we have to call it something else.

Is this the way for them not to have to have a short-term rental but have a short-term rental? Is it going to be advertised like on Airbnb, BRBO?

You know, they use it as a lodging unit. Short-term rentals are for use with a single family home. There's a business that's operating in conjunction with this lodging unit.

Okay. Okay. Commissioner Farrell.

Mr. Hyatt, in the appeal criteria of the packet that we received, it said that we should be focused on the building official's interpretation of the code. Is that correct? That is correct. And that's really what we're doing tonight? Yes, sir. Thank you.

Okay. Well, I'm going to assume that we're done with staff right now, so we'll move on. Any questions or any comments from anyone in the public on this? Could you please come forward and state your name?

Good evening. My name is Lori Maciag. I own 402-404 Maple, which is a block away from this building. I'm actually the one that reported the illegal Airbnb, it was actually their doc was covering up my dot, and I wasn't, even though I'm in compliance I was not getting reservations because mine couldn't be seen. on the website. My understanding right now, this is a Group B property. It is essentially a garage. It was on Airbnb for months before I reported it. It was on Airbnb for months after I reported it and after they were notified. After that, the short-term aspect of it may have ceased. As of March, it was still publicized. I reported it in November of 25. I appreciate that they're trying to do the right thing right now, but they are trying to circumvent the short-term rental process. It was publicized as a short-term rental. It was used as a short-term rental, and it was taken away from those of us in the community who are doing the right thing. I have further learned that even though they knew that a overnight occupancy was not allowed, that they had a midterm rental in this facility until May. It is one degree of separation from the person who lived there. So I'm just very concerned about following procedure, complying with the rules and regulations of the city and going forward. So I would like to see the full

are one rules complied with in this situation thank you thank you very much um any anyone else from the public comment okay we'll close the public part of the the the meeting um does the applicant have any more comments they want to

We did first try to turn this into a short-term rental for our business, and we didn't try to do it nefariously. We honestly thought that it was just an extension of our current business, another service that we – offered to our guests. We got the letter from the city in January. I took it off Airbnb immediately in January as soon as I got that letter and it came off of our website about a month and a half later. We haven't had any short-term renters in there. We haven't rented it to anybody since we've gotten the letter from the city telling us that we were not in compliance. I just wanted to stress that.

Okay. Any other comments? Any other You have the questions for the applicant? Okay, thank you very much. Okay, now I think we bring it back to the mission to discuss and by the Board of Appeals and discuss and how we want to go forward and handle this. Okay. Comments? Questions?

No comments.

Commissioner Houghton. Okay, make a motion.

I move to affirm the building for officials interpretation of the building code that this is an arm and occupancy and does require sprinklers.

Okay, do I have a second on that motion?

Commissioner Corcoran? I'll second that.

Okay, we have a motion and a second to to uphold what the building officials put forth comments questions.

I mean, I think ultimately it's important to remember that our authority is very narrow. Right either. The code was interpreted correctly, it was not or there isn't is or is not equally good method of construction propose. We don't have the authority to waive requirements we don't have the authority to modify requirements so. I. I don't really see any other way to look at this, unfortunately.

Okay, thank you. I think that was well said. Okay. No more comments. I guess we'll... So we can't vote like we normally would. So we'll go through and why don't you run down the line and each of us will vote verbally.

All right. Kyle Jones? Corcoran?

So yay is... is affirming the appeal. Interpretation. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

How many?

Yeah.

Guymon?

Yeah.

Braille?

Yeah.

Motion passes unanimously.

Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Victor. Thank you to the applicant and everyone else.

Okay.

Okay. That closes the building board of appeals. Now we'll go back to planning and zoning. Okay, the next item on the agenda was the code amendment for the short-term rental. There's a request for continuance. I need to see a motion to agree with that or to accept that continuance to next meeting.

Yeah, and if you could specify the date, please. We're just trying to preserve the notice.

and that would be to the august 25th 2026 regular meeting okay commissioner houghton i movie continue the code amendment cda zero zero zero zero four nine dash two zero two six to the regular meeting august 25th 2026. okay so second

Commissioner Corcoran.

Just the property with a deck that was failing there. It was kind of a safety issue at the time.

Whether thoughtfully or not, when our mudslides happened in Glenwood in 2023, we trucked a lot of that red dirt to the area.

One is, so is the reason this is being done is because of Southbridge?

Yeah, that is correct. Yeah. The actual alignment of the road, um, as we've slightly modified and changed the design, the actual road itself, um, passes draping or anything.

I think, I don't know if this was what commissioner frail was getting at. And, and, you know, I think you'd probably don't want to have big trees sticking up for planes to hit or anything, but, you know, in through airport road, or you could go in through park east.

Is that correct?

um to get into park east from the airport there as the member of the public was alluding to there's there's kind of a gate that remains open that okay um commissioner comments um we'll just run down the line here kyle um i have nothing i just wanted to welcome wait i just wanted to welcome commissioner frail to the party Yeah, thank you.

Thank you for the opportunity to work with you. Appreciate it. All of you. Thank you very much.

Okay.

Director, comments? Just a couple. Next month we'll be back conversing about short-term rentals and some of that policy. Emery's been out getting married for a couple weeks, so we continue that tonight as requested. I do have one request. I think last month I told you we were having a little small subcommittee related to parking, specifically downtown, and a couple of you on that, Amy and John, I think we've got that meeting scheduled for next Wednesday afternoon. We have another little side quest subcommittee getting put together in regards to the confluence area and plan and maybe Dave Kuntz, Suggesting to city council on a couple options for moving forward with with that plan or what should be done next and looking to solicit maybe one volunteer for that group if someone's interested. Dave Kuntz, Okay, so we got we got you guys want to paper rock scissors or.

Chairman, can I just ask you, ask these guys.

Excuse me, excuse me. Could you guys take your conversation out? No problem. Oh, I don't know about that. Thank you very much.

We'll take both. How about we'll, we'll make sure we got at least one alternate at all times too. So that'll work. Thank you.

That's it for me. Thank you. Okay.

I guess we're,