Council - Regular Meeting

meeting. It is February 5th, 2026 and this is our regular meeting for uh the beginning of the month. Uh Ryan, would you please take roll call? Mayor Dame here. Mayor Prom Zalinski, Councelor Townsley, Councelor Schmal, Councelor Shakar, Councelor Smith. We have a quorum.

Thank you, Ryan. And I've been presented with a speaker list for the uh items that are not on the agenda. And I see uh additional people. Would you like to put your name on this list? We'll hand it back to Ryan who'll collect the signatures or the names and we'll go from there. Uh any changes to the agenda? Uh, Council Schmall, uh, Mayor, I would move to remove item 6C from the consent agenda uh, for tonight's meeting.

Okay. Uh, everybody clear on uh, removing item C from the consent? We have a motion. I'm entertaining a second. Councelor Tanzler. Second that motion in a second. Any discussion about the item or should we just have a vote? Okay. All in favor say I. I. And those opposed?

We'll see none. Thank you, councelor Small. We're going to move it to aquatic nuisance. No, we're going to move it in uh before 9ine. Move it in before 9ine. I think that's it'll fit there. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Uh any conflicts of interest? You'll see none. Also good. Moving on to item four. Uh and that is citizens appearing before council. Uh for items that are not on the agenda and I have a list of four speakers tonight. Um you get three minutes. Please stay within that time frame. And uh Zodie Woolsey [clears throat] is first. Uh please in the microphone state your name and whether you live in the city limits or not.

Hello, my name is Zod Woolsey. I live in Glenwood Springs. Um and I'm here to make some comments about uh the discussions regarding the flock cameras and just other cameras for ALPRs in general. Um, for one, I am a software engineer of 15 years and I know how a lot of these softwares are designed and a lot of times they aren't up to the standards of security that they should be, especially for things like this. Police officers and ICE agents can easily look up people's home addresses where they've been in over the past months and months and months, no matter where they are. Contracts with uh groups like Flock are not regionbased. They are actually based on an interaction with the company. So if your police officers here install lock cameras or whatever and someone in Florida even wants to access the data about your citizens here, they can access that with no issue. So one of the things I wanted to bring up was that this access needs to be put through some sort of situation like how body cameras are on police officers. If they're allowed to approach and collect private data autonomously or in person, there should be some level of accountability and um just you know integrity in this situation. it is an invasion of personal privacy if that's not the case and I think that these things should be monitored to make sure that there's no misconduct. Additionally, I think that a good way to go about this would be to um as well as we all know laws are only a matter of issue whenever it is enforced properly. And so I want to state that a good idea would be to audit them publicly. Uh I am an open source developer so I work in the public space entirely and completely for free. And I will say that having all of my stuff aired out constantly has made me a better developer and a better person. And I think that that same type of moral belief should follow us into matters that are much more important than that. I make a video game. Uh these are not video games. These are real people's lives that we are dealing with and you know potentially pictures of their private spaces like their vehicles and routes to their homes and their addresses and things. And there's

already been a flock breach that was quite minor and I just think that it's it's not up to the standard. So they need to be either avoided, removed or properly managed with a clean paper trail that can be audited for cases or by the public to make sure that everybody is maintaining integrity and safety for the public. Um, additionally, I wanted to bring up some issues that were separate, which is um the Midland Avenue ICE location, which is a small detention center located inside of a shopping mall next to the former uh thrift store over in that location. And I think a lot of people aren't aware that people are being detained and held there like it is a small prison uh for 12 or more hours which my group has seen personally. Um and I think that that is a major issue of safety in that area especially considering that it is next to the social security office. I think that it should be really good relocated.

Okay. Thank you. And I think it should be relocated uh somewhere that is safer or more reasonable. I I doubt these people would want to know violent violent criminals as they say are being held in the same building as their local mom and pop shop. And I think that's just not safe. Um and I think that everyone should be held more accountable in all of these situations. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you very much for being here, Zod Wy. Um and I'm going to we're going to comment at the end. So now we have Tracy Zable. Please also state your name for the record and whether you live in city limits or not.

Okay. Hi, my name is Tracy Zabel. I am a resident of Carbondale, but I spend a lot of time in Glenwood Springs and consider it a part of my community. I have concerns about the flop cameras and collecting mass surveillance data. We currently have a federal government who is lying to us and gaslighting us as a federal agency kidnaps and murders people with impunity. Why would we trust that they will honor our contract and the data privacy provisions therein? Um, some situations like in Denver, they had previously denied that cameras would be used for immigration enforcement before audit logs revealed that Denver cameras had been accessed more than 1,400 times for that express purpose in a matter of 13 months. Flock audits in Washington State revealed backdoor access by USD Border Patrol to the networks of at least 10 Washington police departments, which did not explicitly authorize Border Patrol searches of their network data. Um, data breaches were brought up today in the working session and we said that um, if a data breach were to occur, we would sever the contract, but that feels reactive and not proactive when people are being rounded up and put in detention centers. In Dilly, Texas, there's a detention center with more than 1,400 people, including infants as young as two months, 400 children. There's a current measles outbreak in there. The conditions are so poor. There's water, food, and hygiene are bad. And people are forced to sleep in community with the lights on for 24 hours a day. That is torture. Um right now, the transactional records clearing house says that there's 71,000 people in ICE detention and 74% of those people do not have a criminal conviction. Many of those committed of a crime, they're minor offenses like traffic violations. And being an undocumented person is a civil offense. It does not warrant being held in what can be likened to a concentration camp. If the plan is to deport people, why are they buying warehouses that will hold 8 to 10,000 people and building new facilities in every state? We have to be proactively against this. And that means standing up

against mass surveillance systems in a justice system that does not respect human life. If we do not, we are complicit in these crimes against humanity. I know several people who are afraid to leave their house, and when they do, they carry their passports because of the color of their skin. And even then, they are violently apprehended. And even if you're not holding a valid passport, you deserve to be treated with dignity and respect and not be held in a in in a center. I'd like to end with a quote from the book by Omar Elakad titled, "One day everyone will have always been against this. It is a hallmark of failing societies, I've learned, a requirement that one must always be in possession of a valid reason to exist." Thank you for your time.

Thank you very much for being here, Maya Hunt. Please also state your name for the record and whether you live in city limits or not.

Hello, my name is Maya Hunt and I live in Glenwood in city limits. And uh I also just wanted to register some support for what uh people are saying about the flot cameras. And um I think that you have this like huge giant pressing reason that's happening right now, which is the corruption related to immigration enforcement in this country right now. This is the kind of thing that if we didn't have this actively going on right now, we would be here like trying to explain to you how these cameras could be used for corrupt purposes. But like we already have the proof of concept. So please um take this like really seriously. Like it's it's already unfolding right in front of us. like these are being used to track people down and do things that are against all the community values that I know of living here. Um, I don't want this for people who visit our city. I don't want it for people who live in or town. Sorry, I spent a year in a city. I'm so glad to be back. Um, but now these cameras are here. So, uh, I really, um, uh, I just really want you to reconsider the path that this is on. My request is that you immediately and I have everything to do with these cameras. There's way too many loopholes. Um, and I mean I'd love to get into details more, but just trying to give this overview right now of like how many concerns there are. Uh, and like beyond what's happening with immigration enforcement. Um, like I don't want it to be public record like how many times I drive down Midland. us or like and like these things have like like the data has been ruled as like public record data. Uh so even if you say that you will protect the data um there there's so many ways that it could get out that I I mean even if you're doing like due diligence on foreseeing how this could be used. Um there's uh

there's way too many issues that can happen even with like good faith actors and there's like way too many bad faith actors in the government right now. No offense, but like the government is also broader, but like I really want you to be part of the shield that is like promoting community safety, not introducing mass surveillance devices. I really want to be here requesting that you don't allow anyone to use them, not be the actors who are like introducing these into our city. Um and I do want to mention that just I was reading an article today happened like stuff got released today yesterday um in California they had an art uh like one of the cameras at one intersection had the toggle that was set to share with the national database. So then it just was for weeks uh and then there was like some other issues too just a bunch of technical info but like that's how easy it is and like I I want to opt out. I I'm not opting into this unfortunately. If I want to exist publicly in Glenwood, you are forcing this upon me and I really am not okay with it. I want to like opt out of privacy data. Um, please take this seriously. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for your time being here. And last one, Don Dexter. Please state your name and just state your name for the record and let us know whether you live in city limits.

Hi, my name is Don Dexter. I do not currently live in city limits, but I pass through and buy the speed cameras numerous times a day. Uh my grandchildren go to school in Glowman Springs. I work in Glenwood Springs. My husband works in Glenwood Springs, so all of us pass through Glennwood Springs and through the cameras numerous times a day. Um, I'm here tonight to urge the council to immediately terminate the speed camera program due to si serious civil liberties concerns and the demonstrated threat that this surveillance infrastructure poses to vulnerable community members. Not just potential, not just people who may be here undocumented, but we've seen the Immigration and Customs Enforcements officers and the Department of Homeland Security officers targeting people just based on their skin color, based on their political ideology. Um, we've seen this administration target people of color in all walks of life. We've seen this administration uh disregard the law in just numerous ways and there we've we have a leader of these um organizations who have told them that they have complete immunity. They are disregarding due process. How do we even know if someone's here illegally or not if they are not um given due process? We've seen people who are doing it the right way um be detained at their at their actually at their at their citizenship like where they were going to be granted citizenship and at their like citizenship swearing in ceremonies. Um and we've seen political dissident be targeted now. So it's not a question of immigration. Um, I've some I've just

gone completely off what I wrote down, but um, what I really want to ask for is um, to consider that this is not just it's not an immigration issue anymore. It's a racial profiling issue and it's a political dissident issue. It's disability disabled person's issue. It's a trans person's issue. Um, what I'd like see the council do is immediately terminate the speed camera program, delete all existing data that's been collected through the system, prohibit future automated surveillance systems without rigorous civil liberties impact assessments and community consent, and publicly commit to refusing cooperation with this federal administration and its lawlessness. And yes, traffic safety measures are important, but they should not come at the cost of civil liberty. civil liberties, political freedom or racial justice. So, thank you for your time.

All right. Thank you very much for being here. Anybody else from the public like to come forward? If not, I'll close the public portion for tonight's meeting, bring it back to council for any responses. And uh yeah, you got it. There you go. We'll start with Mayor Prom Solinsky and maybe we'll also have John Hassel if he's if he's up for it to respond to a few things.

I was I was actually going to invite John to speak only because there's um a few clarifications um there's just a little bit of misinformation um around like how long the data is held, what the is being collected, what programs we're talking about. And so I would like just some of that clarification to come from um Officer Hassel please. And before you start, maybe I'll throw in make a please a distinction between the speed cameras and the uh the flock system. Yeah, that's probably Good evening, council. Uh John Hassel with the police department springs.

So first I'd like to discuss the differences between uh Flock Safety and DRA uh technology which are two separate individual independent companies. Block Safety is a company that um uh capture and retain information for a period of 30 days uh within our purview to um to either search or be alerted for any criminal activity that has happened with that vehicle, whether that vehicle is stolen. Uh there are Amber alerts, silver alerts, um gang related uh ties that we can alert our officers that they're in the area. Um so we have used it to capture literally uh well over a hundred uh incidents that we've resolved crimes. Very different than speed camera. Speed cameras are solely in place um to capture vehicle speeds uh of a certain threshold. We record that information. We document it. We send them a a civil penalty assessment and um that is it. The there's there's really nothing more to the speed cameras than than that. And you can talk about the audit because I think that was brought up. Um, you know, how do we secure how do we know that data is secured and not having been accessed by outside agencies?

So, um, I I believe [clears throat] I'm aware of uh was it was it Maya uh spoke about uh with this um agency in Northern California um that they claimed that that somehow Flock allowed another agency to access their cameras. I've been part of this program since 2022, the end of 2022. I know that all access is done through our department. So, if somebody wants access to that camera, they have to request it and we have to permit it. That said, there sometimes we will get a hundred at a time asking for permission. Uh, typically out of state at this point and there have been times that we've accepted all of them and then we have to go back through and re and check to make sure that those agencies are people that you want to share with. In October, we decided to revoke all out of state um agencies as well as any federal agencies. So, they did not have access to that. So, if anyone were able to get into our system, it was because we gave permission to do that. And I I know the engineering uh

Zod Zod, but uh I'm a software engineer software engineer. Thank you. Um talked a little bit about how how people can access that. Um but we've never had an incident of that. He did speak about the uh the brief data data breach, but it was it was more of a camera breach specifically to the Condor cameras, not the uh Falcon LPR readers. And I also heard a request for um like a little bit more transparency in a public audit. And so isn't the intent there's a currently a page that has just been built for information and will those audits be available on that page?

Yes. And I haven't checked to see if it's been published yet or not, but our website should have a um a page where you can see who has access to all of our cameras. [clears throat] Um I go through consistently to to verify one if there's any new requests. Um and then two, what are people looking at our cameras for? Yep. Through a network audit as well as an organizational audit.

So I brought up all of those questions like listening to all the points that you made. I've been receiving comment on this for several weeks now and I've been relaying all of that comment to law enforcement, to city administration, and we are very responsive to those concerns. Um, we share those concerns. It's a fine balance of safety versus security, right? And so, you know, with recognizing that, um, we're doing our very, very best to continue to address those concerns in real time in a way that maintains that tool for law enforcement along with protecting the security and the information of the public.

Sorry, but just to double up quick, if I may, um, I I know one of the commenters was here this afternoon. I think I recognized you from sitting in the back. So, you heard what we're what we're after. You heard the the the due diligence we're doing to make sure that really this data is only handled by I by by our police department. I mean, asked the lady at Flock, what do you do with our data? She said, absolutely nothing. We we have a chance to redline their contract and and and make sure that this doesn't happen. So, like Mayor Prom said, we are doing everything we can to make this as secure as possible. Um, I encourage the rest of you to listen to the recording from this afternoon. I think you may learn uh something out of it and look up uh or uh uh be aware of an upcoming agenda where we actually discuss the cameras uh on the dis in in in great lengths to to make sure that we we do do the best thing that we can do with with our help from law enforcement and administration. So, uh thank you unless you have something to add. If I could just say that we've extended this to council, but we extend it to anyone in the community. If they have questions about, they can come talk to me directly. I can show them what we see uh what we have access to. Um if it's private data that we run through or that CJ is compliant that we can't provide that to the general public, but we are happy to show anything with lock.

Okay. Thank you for that invitation. Um councelor Townsley, please. John, one quick question for you. Did I understand you correctly to say that we are now all outofstate requests for information are categorically denied? They are. Okay. And that if that was ever to change, would that come back to us as a request to change that or um you know, I would have no problem coming back and asking about that, but we have no intentions of uh of opening that up. Okay. I'm there's really no need for it. I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, councelor Shakar, please.

Couple things. One, in response to what just came up. One of the things from our workshop is with the assistance of council, we are going to review the contract with flock to see if it needs to be tightened and there are some national standards for additional security. So, we'll be reviewing that as well. In addition to that, I must say it's very let's not jump to conflate what we are doing for public safety is condoning what's happening nationally. They are two different things. And here at the dis I think we're doing our best to weigh what's the best for Glenwood residents public safety. even though at times it does get conflated with national policy that we may or may not agree with and that's what we're wrestling with right now. Thank you very much for being here.

Thank you. And councelor Schmall John does denying excuse me other states access compromise our ability to know who's coming through I7 coming through our town. I'm what I'm hearing is that if Utah has a plate that that they want to track or they they think has gone through their state or Nebraska or one of the adjacent states thinks they're coming and they're looking for them, are we impairing our ability to know or their ability to know that that vehicle is going through by denying automatically?

So, there's a couple different levels there. If um if Utah wanted to find out if the vehicle was traveling through um they would have to contact us and say, "Hey, can can we check your cameras to see for this specific car one time only?" We would take that under consideration. If it's impacting us, if it's a vehicle that's stolen or wanted or abducted child, they enter their license plate into a national database that says, "Hey, this car has something associated to it that's criminal and we need it stopped or contacted." uh much like we had the uh the vehicle come from Denver on a homicide a few weeks ago. Um that alerts us whether they're part of our system or not. We're all tied to uh what's called NCIC CCIC, which is the National Crime Information Center, Colorado Crime Information Center. Um and those alerts tell us that hey, there's a vehicle that needs to be contacted. Does that answer your question?

I think it does. I think it's not compromising our ability to to improve our safety situation here. I don't think it is. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any more uh responses to this? I see none. Okay. Great. So, we'll we'll close this up completely. Thank you, uh, Chief Hassel. Thank you guys for being here and and and please look for the agenda. I think it's a month out. My goal is to have it back on the agenda in a month with some proposed changes to the flock um contract for you guys to consider and and decide where you want to go with this.

Okay, sounds great. So, beginning of March, the first meeting in March, uh please look at the website for the agenda. So, okay, thank you very much. We're moving on to item number five tonight, which is council announcements. No, if you want some Yeah. Any announcements? Start with uh councelor Smith.

Thank you. [clears throat] Uh the transportation commission, which normally meets first Tuesday of the month, postponed their meeting from day before yesterday until next Tuesday. So if you're interested in tracking that commission and its work, uh it'll be on the 10th. Uh they are the highlights of their agenda is going to be to focus on uh refining maybe finalizing their list of specific bicycle and pedestri [clears throat] bicycle infrastructure gaps and needs they think are provide a threshold before the city invests in a formal bike share program. Uh and then the second item they're they're be just beginning to take on is trail safety for bicycles and pedestrians. Um especially [clears throat] in general, but especially as it relates to the growing number, size, weight, and speed of electric assist bicycles. So they're taking on some pretty juicy topics. Um on the 10th, um I will be as liazison to that commission. Um, I have scheduled an interview with a citizen who has applied to join the transportation commission. Uh, be doing that interview tomorrow here at 1:00. So, if any other council members or staffers would like to join in that conversation, we'll be interviewing her as a possible addition to the commission. Um, Carolyn Sipperly last week uh sat in very actively on her final meeting as a member of the planning and zoning commission. She didn't didn't lose a step. Didn't didn't pause. She was right fully engaged as she has been for six years. Uh an impressive example of of volunteer citizen service to the community. but on that particular important board [clears throat]

especially. She continues as the chair of the city's historic preservation commission. So that tenacity and that thorowness in doing homework is something we'll still benefit from. Uh but she concluded a very productive career on the planning and zoning commission and I think okay thank you mayor prominski. Okay. So, looking ahead, springtime river cleanup, April 25th. Mark your calendars. April what? Sorry. 25th.

Saturday, April 25th from 8 to noon. This is like the precle cleanup. So, we still do the big um Riverfest, which is like the big one, but this is the post runoff, which may be a non-event, but still it's a good opportunity to get in there and like pre-clean. Um, so there's that. Um, and then also um Oh. Okay. So, I was encouraged to add my name to my memory is so poor. Um to a letter in support of uh local management of rents. I think right now at the state level, this is not something that is uh manageable locally. Um, and this would just be it's part of the fair housing for all, I think is the name of the organization, but I wanted to uh run that by my fellow counselors. I think that it's one of those tools that might make sense in our quiver and so I encourage you all to look into it. I believe councelor Shatner has already um added his name to that. Is that correct? I've added my name to support the ability of towns to choose whether or not to implement rent rent stabilization.

Yes, necessarily that we would adopt that and never speaking for the city. Right. And at this point, it's not even to support that support the conversation of possibly considering that. So, it's kind of like making a motion for discussion, but I wanted to bring that to everybody's awareness. Uh, is this is this a letter we should discuss at some point? Is there is this worth a workshop item for a few minutes? Is is there something is this something that's developing somewhere or or what do we need to do with it? Not until there's a new government. That's what I was going to say. Okay, got it. The rise of the legislative level, but at this point it's still in consideration.

Okay, so we'll we'll leave it where it's at probably at this. Okay, great. Yeah. Uh, Council Townsley,

um, just real quick, uh, Parks and Rec met last night and they're looking at their trying to set priorities for 2026. They asked me to pass on if there were any particular issues that other council members had as far as parks rec things that you wanted to have them take a look at, if there was anything that was a priority to council to get back to them with that. So, I'll put that out there. If if you do have pieces, issues, parks, places, obviously the budget is very tight this year, so they're not looking for ways to spend a lot of money, but if there are prioritizing, you know, events or things that people would like us to look at, then they would like to know that

and and how would we let them know right now or through email or now if you you know emailing emailing Rodirect any any which way that you want it to is fine. Okay, I think that could work. Mayor Prom Solinski.

Sorry, I forgot. Okay, so here's another just like FYI, but I know right now like drought and water conditions are on everybody's minds and I learned about an interesting resource um Roaring Fort Conservancy. If you go to their website and you go under um I think it's like under snowpack and stream flows, you can subscribe to a weekly report which will give you an update on kind of you know the conditions of the our waterways and our snowpack and it just you know I think we're all like is front and present in our minds and so I thought that would be a very useful bit of information to have.

Sounds good. Thank you. Any other announcements? We'll see none. We'll move on to the consent agenda. I'm entertaining a motion. Uh in the consent agenda tonight without item C. I might I move to approve. Excellent. We have a motion to approve. Councilor Shakar. Second. And a second. All in favor say I. I. I.

And those opposed. We'll see none. Brings us to our first action or uh presentation for tonight. And we'll start with item seven, planning and zoning commission appointments. And I don't know I don't know if if Mr. Hyatt wants to give a quick a quick info on that.

I'm happy to I saw folks looking at me so it was expected. Trent Hy with community development. Thank you very much for your interview this afternoon. Uh we've made a request uh from staff that we have uh three positions right now we're dealing with. One uh to fill um Carolyn Cyperly who who recently termed out from the commission. We're asking that uh Patrick Corkeran be appointed from an alternate to a full member um as well as a new person to fill that role and that would be Cal Jones um who you interviewed earlier this afternoon. Um and let's see who else. And then a reappoint of Connie Gaiman um who is currently serving and at the end of her first term.

Okay. Excellent. Thank you. That's the information and I have councelor Shakar. I would move um that council approve the planning and zoning commission appointments of Connie Gman and Patrick Corkran as full-time members and Kyle Jones as an alternate. We have a motion to approve this these appointments and uh Mayor Prom Solinski. Second and a second. Any discussion?

We'll start with councelor Smith. Thank you. I'm inclined to support this motion um because of the substance and because of the people involved. I we did indeed have a very uh thoughtful and sincere by thoughtful conversation with the new applicant Mr. Jones this afternoon group interview in effect. Um and he his answers were I thought very thoughtful and a bit visionary frankly. So um I think he can make a good addition. I also from what I've been able to watch on selective occasions the two other current member member and alternate of the commission are are similarly thoughtful. Um, I had pitched earlier in the afternoon that it [clears throat] would be helpful and I think very productive to have interviews or some form of deliberate interaction with any member who is seeking appointment or reappointment or reassignment when that process comes around as different from just automatically uh reappointing. I think I think it more than any sort of screening or or criticism indeed not screening or criticism but in instead an opportunity for that positive conversation and interaction that we can stay better acquainted with these people on this very important commission. So I'll continue to recommend that in future cycles of this we uh approach it a little differently. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Any uh any more comments to this with the Well, we have a motion in a second to do the appointments and then um a comment from councelor Smith about maybe maybe uh u inviting the reappoints or the uh alternate to regular seats in for a quick chat. Um I I can just say that

no, it's not part of the motion at all. and and uh I could just say that in the past we have not necessarily done that anymore just because um be cognizant of everybody's time and effort. Um and if and if a council or previous council u appoints somebody to a commission then then they did that in good faith and and it's usually a done deal. So um but maybe this is a discussion we can have at some other time so we can move forward with the motion. Okay. Um, so with that, I will call for the question.

It's unanimous 6. Thank you, Ryan.

Thanks, Kyle. Yeah, thank you, Kyle. Uh, you've been appointed thanks to uh uh Connie and Patrick for your reappointment. And then I would just like to thank Carolyn Zipperly for the last six years of being on PNZ. I have uh spent some time with her in the P&Z and she was a great team member uh and uh like like councelor Smith said full of energy and visionary and and thank you so much for your efforts. So we appreciate it. Thank you. Moving on to item eight, aquatic nuisance species. That does not sound like fun, but we can't wait to hear about it and so

yeah, sorry for not bringing a little more revity to the conversation than this. So good. Please uh please let us know who you are. Yes, thank you. My name is Maline Baker. I am an invasive species specialist for Colorado Parks and Wildlife and I've got the support of some of my colleagues. So I'll let them introduce myself before I start talking. Thank you. I'm Becca Cass. I am the local CPW wildlife officer that's assigned to Glenwood Springs and I'm Paula Steppp. I am on the Glenwood Springs River Commission and this um presentation came as a result of our concern for the zebra muscles in the Colorado River and its potential impact on the city of Glenwood Springs. Thank you. And

I'm Erica Gibson. I'm uh chair of the river commission. I'm sick. I'm sorry. So Well, thanks for being here then. All of you, thank you for being here.

All right. Um, I will do my best to move through these with relative ease here. Um, forgive me as I work through actually putting this into presentation if you don't mind. Okay. So, um, the goal of the aquatic nuisance species program is ultimately to prevent the introduction of aquatic nuisance species to Colorado and manage any populations that do make it in. Um, we do this through watercraft inspection and decontamination. If anybody boats at Rudey Reservoir, you've experienced this, um, education and outreach. Um, including the distribution of some self-s served cleaning stations for folks who are not legally obligated to be inspected but may pose a risk of transporting aquatic nuisance species. Um just a quick quick overview of the life cycle because it will inform um what we worry about when it comes to infrastructure and transport of these species and how these can affect uh municipal water supplies and rot water systems that pull from places like the Colorado River where we have found these species. Um we sample for what we call villagers which are the laral form of this species. Um when they are juveniles all they do is float through the water and they are microscopic. This is why people like rafters, kayakers, even anglers can pose a risk of transporting these species and why we do lots of public outreach with these groups to try to prevent their continued spread. Um, as adults, these species attach to surfaces with what we call Bissell threads. So, they do not move. They live below the water line. And the concern that this poses for things like municipal water infrastructure is that they can attach themselves on the insides of pipes and raw water systems pulling water from the Colorado River. Um this can pose a huge risk of just completely compacting pipes um and interfering with water supply um damaging hydroelectric fac um hydroelectric facilities etc. So these can be um making costs in the tens of

millions for even just municipalities and partners. So where does this stand for us right now? Um, this all started in 2022, six days after I accepted this job, when we found the very first adult zebra muscle in Highline Lake, um, west of Grand Junction. Um, at the time we thought this was an isolated incident at Highline and attempted an eradication, but later realized that this was coming from further upstream. Um, we detected them in the canal system that diverts from the Colorado River to feed Highline Lake and then later on in the Colorado River. Um, at this point, the furthest location upstream that we've detected these species is at a privately owned body of water in Eagle County. Um, so right now the Colorado River is considered infested with zebra muscles from its confluence with the Eagle River all the way to the state line with Utah, which poses a great concern for any municipality that might be pulling water from the Colorado River. What are we doing about it? Um, our best. We are adapting infrastructure at Highline Lake um to increase the experience for the general user um now that every single boat needs to be decontaminated on their way out of Highline. That can make for very long wait times coming out. So, we're getting a $ 1.4 million hot tub to back that boat into and make a decontamination last closer to 10 minutes rather than somewhere over an hour. Um, we are also implementing a really robust non-motorized user outreach program. Um, here in Colorado, watercraft that are not motorized or that do not launch from a trailer that goes into the water are not required to be inspected. Um, simply from an enforcement perspective, how do you get every single person with a blowup paddle board to stop for inspection um, before they launch on the river or elsewhere? Um, we are trying to put out as many self-s served cleaning stations as possible that give people the tools to clean their own gear and the knowledge to do so, as well as

deploying outreach technicians on the field to encourage them to use these um, pieces of equipment, as well as provide some additional insight. So, I will be having one outreach technician that is placed at Two Rivers Park this year um, contacting recreators and letting them know what they can do to simply not make it worse. Um, we do also have what's called a CD3, which stands for clean, drain, dry, and dispose. It is a really awesome solar powered trailered unit that we have at Two Rivers Park right now with the help of Dan Roer and I believe there's two rods in the uh parks department. So, with all of their help, we've gotten that implemented, and I think it's been getting some attention and use out there, um, which is what we want. Uh we've added more full-time positions to our program in a time of low state funding to say the least. Um just in an attempt to bolster our sampling efforts. Um ultimately every yellow pin that we see is a place that we have identified as a potential location for infestation in the Grand Valley alone. Um we will be with landowner permission trying to sample as many of these 1300 or so bodies of water as we possibly can to get the best um idea of the infestation as possible. Um this can only happen with landowner permission. So a lot of our public outreach is in the effort of encouraging people to let us onto their property and with the understanding that there's not going to be consequences if we find zebra muscles. But we really just want to understand what's happening and give people the opportunities to help manage these before they um their infrastructure has some really really serious expensive impacts. We're also trying to increase our media campaigns, broaden the message, let people know that this is not just about recreators. This is about anybody that needs water to survive. We have been making lots of educational videos targeted at different user groups like anglers, kayakers, rafters, waterfell

hunters. um irrigators just to let them know that this is an everybody issue and not just if you like floating the river issue. Um so there's some examples of those. Um there's some of our CD3 gear cleaning stations that allow people to clean, drain, and dry their watercraft in between uses. These are free. Um, and Colorado Parks and Wildlife is doing everything that we can to get these distributed as widely as we can, including by donating them um to different folks to get that message out and give people the tools that they need. So ultimately, why do we care about this? Um, this can mean the difference between getting water to municipalities or not to generating hydroelectric um power or not. So this issue has cost the Great Lakes region hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Um, this is something that we don't necessarily have built into the budget to deal with. So, we're doing everything that we can to mitigate these before they happen. Um, the best thing that municipalities can do to support us in these efforts are to let us know what raw water systems you have. um giving us permission to sample within or around those systems so that we can get an understanding of how those systems might be affected and try to take some sort of preventative action that's going to prevent major impacts or outages because of it. Um now I've got a little QR code that links to Colorado Parks and Wildlife's page for gear cleaning tips. Um that is my personal information where you can make reports about sightings to species, you can make requests for sampling. Um, several folks with the town of or excuse me, with the city of Glenwood have my contact information. So, I would just encourage anybody that might be interested in having us sample some of your facilities or give me a little bit more information about what sort of raw water use um the city is using from the Colorado River. We can help be a partner. Thank you.

All right. Excellent. Lots of information. Thank you very much. Uh, back to council questions, too. See, council, Mr. Baker, can can somebody tell me the the lifespan of the ver Veria the villagers? Villager out of water.

Um, so outside of water, villagers cannot survive. Um, this is why we encourage folks to clean, drain, and dry their gear. Um, if there is even a moist rolled up paddle board or anywhere that's retaining moisture, like internal compartments, um, the floors of rafts that hold a lot of water, um, ballasts of a boat, if there's any moisture, they can survive nearly indefinitely. And then adult zebra muscles can survive for 30 days outside of the water. Um, so this is how they made it to the west coast by attaching to watercraft that were then transported somewhere in the West within a 30-day window. That answers my second question. Thank you. Perfect.

Hey, councelor Smith. Thank you. It was very clear and quick. Um, you mentioned in your presentation and in one of your slides that a primary [clears throat] problem with these critters is water and power infrastructure. Are they also a biological problem? Are they displacing other aquatic species or causing difficulties in that way?

Yes. Uh absolutely. Um with a short window of time, I try to focus mostly on what's going to cost us the most money. Um but these will certainly degrade water quality by removing plankton from the system. They can exacerbate harmful algal blooms by removing um the competition amongst other plankton for those um toxic blue green algae. So, reducing water quality, increasing harmful algo blooms, as well as out competing native um benthic or bottom dwelling invertebrates. But not everyone cares as much about the native snails as they do about their taxes going up or their water bills going up. So, I tend not to focus on that one first. But I appreciate you asking because it does matter.

Thank you, uh, Mayor Prom Slinsky. So, talking about native snails, um, I'm curious. I so I live over in Park West neighborhood and I know like our storm drains go directly into 3M and I have heard that through some sampling there are some species that no longer exist in 3M and I'm wondering with like concerns of drought and now some invasive species if maybe it's something that we should consider maybe putting I don't know if there's like sand filters or things that we can do that might help that. I don't know if there's if that would be something that we should um look into. So, I'm just curious.

Yeah. Um, Colorado Parks and Wildlife is we are learning a lot about living amongst these species as well and um, not a lot of other states that deal with them are going to the lengths that we are to try to mitigate them. Um, but we can certainly advise on different techniques to try to exclude the villagers from systems. Um, it is difficult because they're microscopic. So, um, it can be anything from sand filters to UV filters um, to even preemptive copper sulfate treatments. um just depending on the use of the water and the potential impacts of whatever mitigation we're attempting. So, we're open to the conversation of advising and helping.

I'm a Michigan native, so when I heard zebra muscles, I was like, "No." So, yeah, I feel like aggressive is the best response. Thank you. Have you sampled our water?

Uh yes. So, we have a now have a western slopebased sampling crew. um they used to only be based out of Denver and would travel statewide to sample. Um and historically we've not always sampled as many moving waters as we have lakes and reservoirs. Um we have been expanding to sampling more moving waters and getting more saturated sampling on the western slope. So we've done pretty extensive efforts in the Roaring Fork and Frying Pan um in the Colorado River all the way from its headarters down to the state line. So, um, any suggestions or areas that you think could use some more attention, we're certainly open to. Okay, great. Any other questions? Erica, please.

I forget how these things go. I should have jumped up earlier, but um, just wanted to add from the river commissions. And by the way, this is a baby cold, so I'm not like deathly sick. Um but it's um a little bit of a terrifying position that we're facing right now. So just on the river commission's perspective, just want to let you know this is zoomed up once we had Becca. Becca is now going to be coming every morning at 7:30 once a month uh as our contact for CPW. But when when Maddie said we, she means Maddie Becca. That's we. So it is don't think we have like the full force of the state. So we're trying to think uh from the river commission's perspective on and and advising you guys are giving thoughts or whatever that um we there we need to do something and public outreach is going to be a big priority for us this year and then also partnering with other organizations like middle Colorado growing for conservancy hopefully other communities so this is to get at it now um if you could see Becca's face when she first told us about it we're like now what this is something to focus on so anyway I just want to if you all have thoughts, but this will be one of our kind of new priorities for the year. So,

okay. Thank you. Um I'm just curious. Is there anything is there anything we're doing? I mean, is are we helping? Are we doing anything? Is educational? What what's this? Is this is so new for us as well, right? Well, it's a little new for us. Yeah. Um, I thought though, I made a couple of notes and I thought I'll check in with uh Parks and Wreck and Dan Roer specifically and see, you know, if we need to spend a little bit more time here than we have and we can get kind of an inventory of of what we've got going on here. Okay. I think that's that's a good step forward. So, okay. Anybody from the public?

Oh, you're back. Hi. Please. I was just going to say if you guys have any public offices where you'd like to display brochures about this information, we can also provide um educational brochures for public use as well. I think it's a good idea and I think that'll probably come out of that discussion. So, Mayor Prom Zinsky, is this something we should put on our website? I know we'll probably get it'll get in the newsletter, but I'm just wondering if like just an information um you know, just kind of FYI, public FYI, you know, go here for more information, how to do your part kind of a thing. Yeah, we can probably do that. Let me get with them and and see where we are and then we'll take appropriate steps. Okay, good idea. Okay, now anybody from the public any questions? We'll see none.

Excellent. Well, thank you for being here. Thanks for all the information and keep us keep us posted, right? Let us know how the fight's going and if we can help. So, thank you very much. Thank you for your attention. I believe I assume they're not available. Too bad.

Okay. Excellent. We're picking up um consent agenda item C, water service agreement for 49893, Highway 6 and 24. And I think Matt's going to tell us all about it. Good evening, council. One sec. Okay. This is what happens when you run off to a basketball game and then come back. Sorry. It's all good.

Happens when you're the coach. Can you promote me?

Hey, Matt, before you jump into this, I'm just curious. Is this a city application or is this how how who is bringing this forward? So that's an interesting question. [laughter] I'm just curious. Just curious. We'll try to answer that here in one sec. Okay. Excellent. Matt, you are promoted. Thank you.

Why is everything have to be difficult? Okay. Good evening, council. Um probably about two years ago, we started discussions uh with Mark Gould uh pertaining to water supply to his property over on US 6 and 24. Um you all know it's a large flat piece of dirt currently. Um he's going to put mini storage out there. Um what Mark is requesting is a line extension agreement, a water agreement, uh so that we could he can extend the city's water line from approximately Center Drive all the way over to his property which is about 4,500 linear feet. Um the first,50 linear feet of that the city would actually be helping uh contribute to uh that is a beneficial portion of water line for us that would help us get closer to a loop up Mitchell Creek. Um we have come to an agreement on that price for that and it does fit within the budget. We'll bring a supplemental to you, but it does fit within the budget. Um multiple reasons for that waterline extension for us. It is on our 5-year plan that was put back together in 2021. We'll be redoing in 26. Um this line extension not only brings water to to Mark and his property, but it also provides fire hydrants along a section of US 6 and 24. There are no fire hydrants. Um Mark did go in front of the county commissioners and did get his portion of the project approved which is in the county and I'll let him talk a little bit about that process. U we have been approached by the neighboring property uh for potential for housing developments adjacent. So it's basically uh West Glenwood Mitchell Creek Amy's Acres is looking at potentially redeveloping and then there's Mark's property which is a mini storage. Mark's request is a small one. It's three EQR of water supply to that facility. Um the biggest benefit to him is he does not have to build on-site water uh storage for fire suppression out there which would limit him to basically the tank size. Um if anything needed to be above and beyond that they would still have to haul it in waterline extension basically

an unlimited amount from the tank and we resupply those tanks with the water plant uh as needed kind of thing. So, um, the city, it's an interesting question about application process. Basic city is asking for Mark is asking for the council to agree for the mayor to sign that agreement and move it forward. And you have authority to do that. Um, and I'm probably just fumbling along at this point, Carl. [laughter] Yeah. So, um, read. when we we have a number of areas outside of the city limits that we supply water. Um this particular area is part of the old Glenwood water what was the name of this? Well, I have this West Glennwood Water District.

West Glenwood Water District that when we took that over, we agreed to supply water inside of that district. Um a number of those properties obviously lie outside the city limits. Um so this really is just kind of formalizing that with Mr. Gould and his property. um establishing cost share on on the pipeline. Uh he has requested um for a period of time, some cost recovery. That's not unusual when we do a a service extension or any line like this. Um if somebody else comes on that they would potentially share in the cost of that that the another entity had, you know, put it in. So that's really all this is. Um it's really more about um you know making sure we understand who's paying for what, where it's going to go, and how many EQRs and what the use is of those. Um you know, one of the things that we talked about work session today uh is the need to to move water through that line. Mr. Gold has agreed to do that because as you know, if you leave water too long in the pipe, it gets stagnant. We have uh issues with CDPHE as far as maintaining health standards. Uh and he'll be paying have water moving through that. So that's really what this is pretty uneventful from my standpoint. I guess we have a number of agreements of various types. Like I said, this is a service area that we agreed to when we when we took in that old water district to provide service. So this is really more about line extension. On the first map I had up, I apologize. There is a significant amount of West Glenwood that is outside of the city boundary. this map if you we showed it earlier today the black line is the city boundary the blue line that's kind of dashed on the outside is actually the boundary of the water district and if you see then you notice that that boundary is adjacent to the parcel of Amy acres which is adjacent to the parcel in G

so if Amy's acres does come in and we have water and it's possible to get it there if we've done this extension they'd be within about 400 feet so CDPHE would ask us and we would probably have to provide water over there and we'd prefer that and so would CDPHE they don't like mill mini districts that are supplying significant amounts of water to residential units. So it makes sense. It does make sense. So um well Mr. Gould, anything to add

200 lane. Um and I I'm here for questions, not any answers. I mean, I'll give you some answers if you want them, but I'm here. I'm I'm here. I'm here for I'm here to answer your question. That's what happens when you let me go have classify. So So you're going to answer some questions that are posted correctly. Exactly. Yeah. Got it. If anybody has Thanks for being here. Any questions to either Matt or or Mr. Gul? We'll start with Snar. Uh Commissioner Councelor Shak. No.

Uh Matt, just a refreshment. And I know we've changed our water rate structure. Um, do we provide water at the same rate for out of town users as we do for in town users? Yes. And we always have. It was the sewer that was doubled, not the water. Sorry, it's one and a half. Not double, but yes, it's the same rate as a user. Thank you. Bless you. Any other questions? Uh, councelor. Oops, there you go. Schmal, please.

Uh, this one I guess is for Carl. It was my understanding that the water service agreement that was acquired when West Glennwood was annexed was only to continue supplying water to the areas that that district supplied. Yeah, I think that this is um within or adjacent to that old district, which is why I said kind of from our standpoint, we have always supplied out in West Glennwood um in or out of the city. Um

but not this far out of the city. No, I mean what I would say is that from our standpoint um and CDPHEs, we would prefer it to be centralized treated water as opposed to individualized tanks and wells. I mean certainly council can make the decision that they don't want to do that and that they would prefer uh to have those services fractured in that manner, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the use won't occur.

Thank you. And this question is is for Ryan. I don't know if he can actually testify, but Ryan, what is the what is the criteria for amounts of of work that the city can award without going to bid 24,499 for nonprofessional service jobs.

Thank you. And since this this area is in the city's considered urban growth boundary, does it not make more sense for this property to be annexed and dealt with within the city processes at the risk of sounding pendantic?

Um, I don't know that we have coniguity. I can't remember. But as you know, the annexation process is a little more complicated in the city these days than it used to be. Um, in that every annexation, no matter how large or small, has to go to an election. Um there again I think from our standpoint or at least my standpoint thinking about this um it's more about um consolidation of services um is how kind of we approach the agreement as opposed to having wells and tanks like I said. Um so I I think that you know annexation would be interesting but I don't know that's always a property owner decision that we can't force. Um, and like I said, it's a little more complicated now is that not only is it um the property owner has to want to annex, but then they also will need to pay for annexation election to do that. But there again, council doesn't want to extend this waterline. There's no requirement that you do. It's your call.

I I recognize that. I recognize the expediency and the the logic behind all of this. I worry about the down the road consequences, unintended unconsidered consequences of getting ahead of ourselves. Thank you. Uh, Councelor Smith, questions.

I need a I need a bit of an engineering tutorial again. um more water would flow through this new loop than would be demanded by the applicant's project in order to keep the water fresh and moving. Does that mean there's a there's a increment of water that's just going through and back to the sewer plant? Yes, basically. And is that increment a significant loss in our capacity or or No, we're we're asking to flow 750 gallons per day. Okay,

that's it. So that the sectional line that it will flush that sectional line within the time frame that we are required to through CDPH requirements for age of chlorine basically within the system. Okay, thank you. My other last question is kind of some musing that's occurred in the last couple hours since we talked about this. Um, this proposal is to build a line to serve the applicants manytory in particular

set of structures. But there's been talk already that the neighbors might be interested too um at some point. But that talk this afternoon was in the context of Amy's acres redeveloping into something. Is there opportunity to provide Amy's acres piped water even in its current configuration and thus make more of that flushing water used by somebody? So let me see if I get the question correct. So, can we get Amy's acres on this pipe instead of get them off their wells?

Correct. That would be the intent. Amy's acres is looking for fireflow also. They would have to build the same tank, pump, piping system, hydrants all over as uh the gold property would have to if they did not have this. So, they would have to build the same things. They do have the capabilities of doing that. They could put their storage systems up there, put large tanks on the side of the hill, I'm sure, and be able to flow water down to fire hydrants. That's the main source of water they're going to have to store for fire suppression. The domestic water will just keep kind of recirculating and refilling from the well. So yes, we would love to get them on this line so that that 750 gallon per day use that Mr. Gold will be using at the end of the line can be cut back significantly because Amy's acres would be residential properties, thus using water, thus flushing the line quicker.

That's it's a helpful review and that is even more clear than it was clear this afternoon. My question is kind of a kind of an imagined variation of that. What about getting Amy's acres on now and serve the trailers with with this water line instead of waiting for them to someday redevelop? Um be that's an interesting question. I don't I don't think they have the piping system associated with that. They're not running water to each one of those traders.

I I think that would have to be something that would be explored and certainly it's not there's nothing that would prohibit that other than the physical realities of the the layout probably. Reason I'm mu Thank you. The reason I'm musing about it is is just using this new capacity as soon as we can and looking for shoppers. But the other is a question that's going to come up later perhaps, but anticipating the question of if Amy's Acres wants to redevelop, are we going to resist that in the name of our mobile home protection mission? That's not a question. That's not a question. I was gonna say for you guys.

All right, let's let's stick the questions here. It's not a question for public works, but it's it's a question because we have brought in a conversation from from community development about future use of property along this line.

Um, so I guess I'll just plant it as a as a something to be considered as we go along whether we want Amy's acres to redevelop. Uh, and and if there's a chance we might not, might we get them on the service line anyway? Well, I think there's a possibility that Amy's acres redevelops no matter what we do. It's in the county. They have water. They have sewer. They have power. They can do whatever they want to at this moment. Moving them over to water right now. I think Trent is right. There's no financial reason for them to do that. They function just fine as they are. But if they expand into the smaller tiny homes or whatever they're going to do out there, they will probably want more water, more infrastructure, and fire suppression. us. There's a financial reason for them to build it and to go in on a partnership with Mark to pay for that that other twothirds of the line basically.

You good, Steve? Okay. Uh, Mayor Prom Solinski, so purely looking at our budget, um, you said this was already like something like that you wanted to do and it was in the budget. Would you do this any way differently if Mr. Gold's project wasn't online, would you build this portion of pipe differently or would you be doing it exactly the same only now you have a partner?

You know, we would have to go through the same process they are because it's state highway. It's been designed a couple times and it went recently to C do and they're like, "No, put it up here." They would make us do the exact same thing, see exact same hookups, they see exact same hydrant. We might combine it with another portion of the project and go up Mitchell Creek, but we might not be able to afford that either. and the county just paved it a few years ago. So, it gave it a little while to settle in um before we were to cut cut it back open again. So, would we design it differently? No. So, would we say is it safe to say that this is actually to the city's benefit to do this project at this time? Now,

well, at this cost that we talked about earlier, it is an exact line with all of the low bids that we've been getting for other projects. So I feel I understand uh councelor Schmall's question for sure but it's in line with all the other pricing we've been getting per linear foot for 8 inch pipe. It's actually slightly lower. Thank you. Okay council sh

couple questions. One kind of piggybacking off uh Ray's question maybe you can help us annexation one would be a question more for Carl and Steve. Um, under what certain two questions one generally my understanding and I'd like you to confirm or deny if you would annexation of residential property is generally a net cost to the city in the short and long run. Um, yes or no. And secondly, under what circumstances can a city annex without property owners consent? Uh, yes. And only if it is an enclave.

Only what? If it's an enclave, which means it's surrounded on effectively more than, you know, at least three sides are completely surrounded by city property. You can force the issue of annexation. Gets a little more complicated in with our charter change. I'd have to take a look at whether we feel like that would even if that would require the city to go to an election to get the authority to do the involuntary annexation. Thank you.

Thank you, Council Townsler. Carl, I think this is a question for you. Is is there any worry as far as precedent and I this may be totally different, but you know there's a a dollar figure in here. It says have agreed to a fixed price of is should we be looking at all is this a no bid contract? No, I mean I I view this Yeah, this is kind of different. Um, this is more of a cost share agreement um, as to what we're going to pay for that portion of the line that somebody else is bidding and constructing. And honestly, we do that in various ways. Yeah, we've done this before

before for various types of projects, right? Everything, you know, from um, paving projects where developers doing part of it and we're paying for some, you know, they're they're doing some say extra sidewalk and gutter or infrastructure, whatever. um as part of their project that that is for the benefit of the city or upsizing of lines uh paying a portion of the upsize because it's to the benefit of the full of the city. So it just kind of falls into a little bit different category um than a city specific project that we're doing and your your numbers all sounded good this afternoon when you when you talked about that. I just wondered does somebody come back and say wait a minute I would have done that for less or

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, somebody can, you know, undoubtedly somebody will could say that, but from the standpoint of it's not a project we're, you know, we're not the ones that are on the hook for that contract. We're just, you know, doing on this portion. So, like I said, I I don't I don't view it as a city project that is being bid out um because it's not a city project.

Okay. Any other questions? No, we'll see none. Anybody from the public like to comment on this item? We'll see none. We'll bring it back to council entertaining a motion. And I guess we'll keep calling it item C, water service agreement for uh 49893 highway 6 and 24. and mayor prom Solinski. Uh I move to approve the water service agreement for 49893 highway 6 and 24. Thank you. We have a motion to approve. Councelor Shacker. I second the motion and a second. Any discussion? We'll see none. I'll call for the question.

Oh, I thought that was still okay. Please discuss

briefly a comment more comments. I I came into the evening very skeptical for a variety of reasons. Um between the workshop and now if I heard correctly um my concerns have been alleviated on several points. One, there seems to be a net benefit to the city and its residents by getting a planned portion of the road done in an efficient manner and a timely manner. There are no infrastructure projects on our list that have been preempted by this. Um we're budgeted okay for it. Um ultimately we will have more local control of development there if we have a city water line in that proximity is what I've been [clears throat] led to understand. And lastly overall we have better fire protection in the area due to this project. Those were things that I heard this evening and today that have helped me move to support the motion. Thank you.

Excellent. Thank you. Any more discussion? I see none. I'll call for the question. The motion is to approve. Yes, Councelor Townsley. Yes, Mayor Prominsky. Yes, Mayor Dame. No, Councelor Schmall. Yes, Councelor Smith. Yes, Council Shakar. It passes 51. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Mark, for being here. Good luck with everything.

Um, let's see. That was the last on this side. We'll go to item nine, award request for qualifications, 20 2025 38Q, Southbridge Construction Management and Inspection Services. Ryan Gordon.

Good evening, council. Uh, Ryan Gordon, the city engineer. Yes. So, in front of you to start with is the award of the South Bridge Construction Management and Inspection Services. Um, I I I think the staff report kind of talked about it pretty succinctly here. What this is is to bring on a qualified construction management team um to help us out with not only the management of the Southbridge project is as you know has a large federal component which requires an extensive amount of um reporting something that our current staff at the city are um not that familiar with and then plus that would just simply overwhelm us. We're looking for some outside help. Um we got bids from two very good teams. Uh the one that we have um evaluated and analyzed that that we're recommending in here is the team of of Rockol and SGM. Um but a great mixture of both state and and and national expertise and then a local expertise with with SGM. Um leave it up to you guys. Um there's not too much else to say. I guess one one thing to point out here is that it's an RFQ request for qualifications and not a proposal. So there are no fees associated with this. What our plan is is to negotiate specific tasks with the um awarded contractor and consultant on various tasks. So obviously in the construction there will be day-to-day services to inspect um the construction and prepare all the documents, but then we we have a series of pre-construction activities that we're going to work with them too to kind of help us up and get ready for the bid when it comes later this summer. Um, so I'll kind of leave it there and leave it open for questions um in comments.

Thank you, Ryan. We'll start with U Council. Ryan, I guess I'm I'm a bit confused or I've forgotten what you told me before, but I thought you had said that the design was 100% complete. That is correct. When when I hear the design is 100% complete, I I think that's the contract documents, specifications, plans to go to bid with, is is is my understanding wrong there?

So, you're not wrong. So, this is not for the construction of Southbridge. This is for the construction management to bring on a team to help with the management of the project. and and my understanding was that that administration and typical construction management documentation things were going to be SE DOT's contribution to the project. So what what SE dot's doing for the project is they're managing the grant, not necessarily the reporting of the project. So what they're doing is they are the lays on between the city and the the federal government and how the the the money is reported back and forth. So the actual management of the project is done on a local basis.

Then I I misunderstood one of our updates then I because I had it in my mind clearly that seed dot was doing the administration of the of the constructions.

No I I I apologize if that that that wasn't made clear. Now what Cedat is doing is basically um taking our financial reporting I understand that part of it. Understood. So the the RFQ I I appreciate that this is a qual qualified respondent, but it appears that what they're responding to is specific the things that they highlighted in their in their RFQ proposal. specification development, environmental services, construction phasing. Is that is that they just didn't is that what they're responding to or is they just didn't change their proposal or what?

Well, they they were responding that the RFQS that we received from them. We provided some level of detail to the to the to the consultants to review. Again, the services that we're looking is sort of broad-based, right? We're looking for professional advice on the front end. Um, which in does include construction phasing. So, uh, the design does include a level of phasing. However, um, in my opinion, those were done sort of high level to get the the the point across to to Ced and the other reviewers of the drawings that some amount of thought has been put into it. We're looking from the consultant really to help us out and fine-tune that and and really work with us to make sure the project is executed correctly. So, there's a bunch of different things. We're also looking pre-construction activities will will help us to you know I identify whether there shortcoms in the drawings or additional value engineering ideas um and then just simply to help control and and shepherd the project through the bidding phase and then ultimately through the construction. And so again, you know, they're they're not specifically bidding on or developing drawing specifications or whatnot, right? they are going to help us with the execution of the project

that we're really not certain is ever going to happen that that is a risk. Yeah. Right. The the project is not 100% certain that is going to go forward and we understand at the city level right that there is a a a amount of risk that we're taking on by hiring the the the consultant right now. But again, without having them, we felt not having them on board at this point before the bid goes out that we would kind of be playing catch-up and may miss some things between um when we brought on the CM if it happened exactly when the bids go out um to to when the contractor is ultimately selected.

I think that gets to the essence of my my questions to begin with. that I'm think I think I'm not comfortable approving this general uh consulting contract. I am I am comfortable a limited scope up to knowing that the project is going to go with the help that you need. But there are there are plenty of things in here that are I would hate to have someone coming back to us saying, "Well, we anticipated doing this much work, so we hired all of these people or we relocated these people or whatever expenses they incurred in anticipation of a $4 million contract that only turns out to be a $150,000 contract."

Yeah. And I I I would say, you know, I think that's fair, right? We have not identified specific scope items and prior to us um letting the selected consultant loose on any of these, we're going to sit down and discuss with them, pencil out what our expectations are um within a limited scope and budget. Um I I will say that during the bidding process for this RFQ, this consultation with with all the folks interested, um it was made abundantly clear that this project is not 100% a go. Um and that you know the the the the $4 million whatever the big [clears throat] construction management effort during construction right um I is is was acknowledged by everybody that hey look we may not be doing all of that if this project doesn't doesn't happen. So there there is a a understanding between everybody that there is a somewhat of an unknown on on the overall project. Thank you, councelor Townsley, please. Maybe, you know, just listening to the go back and forth here raises a question in my mind and maybe just make it simpler. By voting for this and approving this, what is our financial risk or what have we what's what's our financial obligation?

So, so none as of right now, none.

None. until we start to establish and and develop some specific um um tasks. For example, one of the tasks that that will be first and foremost is to provide some insight over how the project is going to be executed. We're we're trying to understand a little bit more detail of from a construction management perspective or from the professionals who've managed large projects like this um to better inform the city staff and then ultimately um let's say permitting which way we kind of go on on certain aspects of the project namely constructing the bridge. We'd like to have some some technical expertise so we can understand better as we're moving forward um with developing those phasing plans for example. Um again we will be developing um specific scope items prior to the execution of the bids. So again um a a vote now is not a vote for any any dollar amounts. We we are looking to um you know to negotiate those kind of an as needed basis.

Are you looking at having an as needed basis to spend that money before we have a bid on the bridge and know that we're going to go forward with it? Um, so if if so, like by how much?

Yeah, we don't we don't have we don't have a dollar amount, right? I mean, we are very cognizant at the staff level that we don't have an open checkbook and that we're looking to to be really, you know, really efficient. Um, I don't have a specific answer for you because we haven't developed that list. One of the things we want to do with a selected consultant is kind of sit down and iron out what these things are. But our anticipation is this is let's say I'm throw throw something less than say you know $50 to $100,000 type type thing. Again I don't think it's going to get to that much because um again we're going to be really factf finding. There's not a whole lot of effort until we actually hit said hit hit the send button for the bids. And if if we were to say no, we don't want to go forward with this based on hating to, you know, give somebody an open checkbook on something that we don't know is going to go forward, what is that what's the negative effect on you and your process and timing? Um if if ultimately we do not approve this um then we will kind of go back to the drawing board and then then um I don't have a good answer for you other than we would probably wait until um a a a future time frame when the bids go out probably go concurrently with the bids. I think there's some in our opinion some risk of not understanding some of the nuances of of the project that would that the experts would help us out with. And last question, and I don't know if you can answer this or not. When are we likely to, you know, besides this summer sometime, when are we likely to start seeing a number come back on if we've got 100% plans, we put that out there to bid? When are we looking at finding out how much it's going to cost?

Well, ultimately, we won't know until those bids go out. But again, we've been developed, we [clears throat] have a a construction cost estimate that's been developed by our consultant engineers who did the design. Um, so we definitely know a number out there and we've been constantly looking at those numbers, those unit costs, right, versus what we have internally. We know a lot of what the unit costs will be say for pipeline installation or moving dirt around, right? I mean, some of the things that we don't really know very well is what's the cost of 200 foot long by 8 foot deep steel girdters, right? Some of the things that we're, you know, um, you know, relying upon our consultants to provide that information. Um but again we won't know specific details on what those costs are until later. Um again we are looking at what we've received in the past and kind of truththing those out and seeing where those that cost estate lands.

I guess still just trying to get back to a simple we're hoping to have this back by June by July. Yeah. So overall the project schedule for bid is um you know we have a few few other milestones to hit. We're wrapping up the environmental documents as as we speak. Um the rightway is lagging a little bit, but once we have those clearances, we can go out to bid. So our goal is to be bidding this out June, May, June, July is kind of the target right now. Um it's a little bit of a moving target, but that's that's certainly our goal. And am I missing something that you're still hoping to break ground in September?

Yeah. So that the the idea was if we go out to bid, let's say pick pick a month in June, that we'd have somewhere between a four and six week bidding process. Um, and then we'd, you know, you kind of do the timeline once you get them signed up and kind of negotiate some of the things that we would think that we could start process or start construction, excuse me, sometime September or or early fall. Okay. Thanks. Thank you, Mayor Prom Solinski.

So, just for clarification, um, it's already been asked, you know, you've already established that this is a little bit of a shared risk. you know, everybody aware that there's a chance um there's no financial obligation. So, what is the risk if we say yes tonight and then the project doesn't go forward? Like, what is the city on the hook for? So, I don't have a specific, you know, dollar amount, right? But, but it' be efforts between now and um if the if the project is ultimately canceled, risk that we would entail. So, it's a little bit of money spent kind of like what we've already spent on design and things like that. like this is just part of that process.

Yeah. And maybe I can help. Um your risk tonight is zero because you haven't we haven't entered into an agreement that has um you guys are approving the consultant, not the the specific task orders. Right.

Right. um that initial task order between now and bidding is going to be a negotiated amount, but hopefully I think what you're hearing Ryan say is his his gut on that is probably the $50 to $100,000 range max. Um that's really what is at risk and the way we typically, you know, there are milestones. you structure these so that you know they're really task order driven um or whatever you want to call the document but that's how I think about it is the task order driven between now and then and then there's going to be a substantial one that relates from you know bidding to signing up probably a contractor and then from start of construction to end of construction

I guess what I'm really asking since I've never built a bridge before is like this is just part of that natural order of procedure towards building a bridge It is. Yeah. And and I think you put it a good way council about the design, right? Is is this is sort of the next phase, right? This is sort of breaking out from the consultant, the design consultant who's designed the bridge, Jacobs Engineering, who um fair and unfair, maybe have some tunnel vision, right? They're into the design, right? We want to break out of that. bring in a third party, people who haven't seen the design that can kind of look at that and and and say, you know what, this doesn't make sense for where we are, right? Jacobs is in Denver and in and outside of Colorado. We're bringing in the local experts who are like, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. Let's tweak this. So, again, it's an extension of that design. Um, but breaking out of the mold of who we have to provide that local expertise and knowledge.

Thank you for that. Thank you, Councelor Smith. Thank you. A handful of questions from what was a longer list of questions because other members have asked them and got some helpful responses from you. Uh, one of my questions is just a silly semantics one. I think in the staff memo, the requested action is to consider approving a request for qualifications. We're really approving a contract recognizing qualifications, right?

I get Yeah. I mean, I think really what you're doing is you're approving this um this contractor for this purpose. So, you're right. The semantics are probably a little awkward, but the reality is is that's what you're doing. You're saying, "Yeah, we agree. You know, this is this is who you guys are going to use. Then we're going to work out the task orders that are associated with the costs

having having received their qualifica qualifications from the request. Therefore, that was sent out. Um I I I I share the the cart dilemma that other council members have have [clears throat] highlighted. uh are we are we ready to start doing this work when we don't know how much it's going to cost let alone whether we have the full package of money to build the actual project that's still in spite of the thoughtful and professional answers you you gave to my colleagues I I remain nervous about that um a variation of asking the same question is you said that the contractor understands that possib ability that they could start doing some work for you from the shopping list in the ballpark of $50 to $100,000 and they know maybe that's all they're going to get out of this deal. At least there's a possibility of that. Does that need to be quantified, documented in the contract to be sure that that understanding is clear?

I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, I think but on a kind of a on demand um particularly the front end of this the way this is. Yeah, that's how we would document it is that work is only performed as authorized and up to a certain amount for that particular phase or task or however you want to frame it. That's absolutely how we would approach it. um we don't want any misunderstandings around, you know, that's there there's no award of $4 million to this contractor that's being asked for here, right? Um and so I'm comfortable that we can frame it and I've done a similar uh you know like working with an airport or something like that where you have pre-construction moving into construction on on management. It's a similar kind of process, right? So, I'm I'm comfortable that there's nothing that you're doing tonight that is obligating the city to actually any amount of money this evening other than selecting this contractor and then we're going to be looking at specific things that we're going to have them do rolling up to that initial bid.

And you don't need from city council to put a lid on an interimm lid on that amount. Um, I I think right now it's possible that we're going to come back with an interim lid for approval from you guys, but if we don't know that we can negotiate with this contractor, then we can never get to that number. We haven't you guys, they're using the cart and the horse a lot tonight, but that at this point they're like chasing each other, right? Because if I don't know that we can negotiate an agreement, I can't get to the number that everybody wants to see before we approve a contract.

Great. And and I would just add that in in my opinion, you know, doing what we're doing now is not breaking new ground, right? This is this is something that is relatively straightforward and happens in the construction industry of where you engage someone obviously with the known risk that a project may or may not go forward whether it's our situation with Southridge with funding or if it's with any project that we have going on that we may or not may or may not have enough money to execute. Right? So there is amount of risk that's that's that's understood with with managing projects.

The $50 to $100,000 current initial estimate, maybe more as as phases of preparation proceed. Comes from which pot of money?

So that would probably come from ANI. I'm I'm assuming. Yes, Steve's nodding his head. Yeah. And again, I I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock at $50 to $100,000 and just kind of a guess. We're going to develop a list of a list of tasks, right, to to that that we think are really important to have prior to bidding the project. Certainly, as we bring them along and as we bid this project, we want them to again have enough familiarity with the project that when we're talking to the contractor and they ask questions that they're helpful and able to facilitate answers.

Thank you. One of the qual qualitative or subjective statements in the this rockalls proposal package was we have strong ties to Glenwood Springs community. I see separately that they they had an inspection contract on the Grand Avenue bridge and that they did some utility work on South Midland. Is that what they mean by strong ties? Is there something more to it than that? I

I I think it's a broad-based thing. So obviously the team involved Rockol and then locally SGM um have local knowledge of local projects right obviously you know SGM has been all over the valley for for many many years. Rockol has done a ton of work for Sed including up on on Veil Pass and a lot of the SE dot projects on the front range. A lot of the staff that are in the project team are either local or recently local, right? So they have ties to Glenwood and know the local environment. Not necessarily doing all the work from Oklahoma. Say it again. I'm not necessarily doing all their work from Oklahoma. They're going to actually be here working with you.

Yeah. Absolutely. 100%. Right. We we anticipate everybody who's going to be involved will be here. And certainly when the construction starts, there will be a need for boots on the ground. So they will physically be in Glenwood. And again, a lot of the folks that we're talking to are already located on the western slope. So they are are close and will be here working with us hand in hand. Again, a phone call away is really what we're looking for.

Thank you. Back to the subsidive portion. Um when when you have updated the city council on the 90 to 100 and and the spans in between percentage drawings at each of those phases, I believe you were still were saying there are yet some more changes to come. um or that they're not finally resolved. Uh one example that you've offered is the contemplated noise walls along the edge of Cardiff Glenn neighborhood that are, as I understand, still are in the drawings, but may or may not actually end up being built. I think another was the config com conf configuration of a combination of drainage storm drainage and curbs and gutters that are drawn a certain way in these 100% plans but still might change. Do I remember that right? And if so is this contract the opportunity to get those finalized? So the the items within the design drawings will be fixed and remedied if they need to be by our current consultant. So it's not the consultant that you're voting on tonight. Um so for example, we are probably at the 99% level. Um we have some very very minor comments maybe left to kind of incorporate based on some comments both from the county Garfield County and and minor comments from CIA. These are nonsubstantive. They're they're they're very minor. Um what I'm looking for for the consultant here that you're looking at on on voting is again any other additional value engineering items, things to tweak, things to change. Um and that won't be part of any of the design changes. These will things will

be kind of an output or or a result of working with them and then also with the contractor to optimize the project. Okay. Okay. So, say things like noise wall, curbon gutters, storm drainage, the final configuration of pedestrian access along the park west connection. Those are still need to be dealt with, but it'll be by somebody else. Well, I I would say the only only thing that's left to resolve is is the sound wall. And we've we've just concluded that effort. Um I think I'm probably okay by saying

I well we we've communicated so the the the the we've communicated to the um to the state and the feds. So the result of the soundwall was that um um the the impacted residents are called benefited receptors have voted against the soundwall. Um and now councelor Smith those were the soundwall was not in the 100% drawings. they were in the 50% drawings and it's really kind of a timing wise is is kind of is kind of how the sound wall was either not in or in. Um if you recall when we had the toll there was no sound wall and that's when we completed the 100% drawings before the rug was kind of pulled out of us. So that is the last piece to resolve on any major changes. So, the drainage issues um are are are corrected in our are our what's in the final documents. Again, I I can definitely foresee as we move forward having some modifications to those, but again, we're not talking major major modifications. These will be small tweaks to to optimize the project.

Thank you for your patience. Those are nitpicky questions, but they help me a lot. Appreciate it. Thank you, Councelor Smith. I think Steve Smith uh Steve Boyd wants to chime in quick. Yeah, just in terms of awarding this RFQ, keep in mind that when we submitted this budget in October, we didn't have a an appropriation in for Southbridge at all. I mean, we don't know what we're going to spend. So, technically, we can award this and that's fine, but we can't spend any money at all under it until you guys approve an appropriation.

And beyond that, we're like I when I was talking about I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been with the cart and the horse and the cart and the horse. If I don't know who I can craft a contract with to come back to you guys with like here's the task list and how much it costs to go along with the appropriation, then we're just going to be stuck here. So really it is do you guys are you at least willing to let us negotiate with these folks and bring back a final form of contract and a task list at least up to the award phase of the bid, right? Well, and and and I was going to I mean, you know, like like you said, we we've never built a bridge before. We've never had a a project that size, but I assume and we shouldn't, but I assume anyway, that a project of that size in nature, this is common practice. This is what what you do to move forward, right? So, what you guys bring forward to us, I can believe you.

Yeah. I by way point of example, we did a very similar contract. Um approved it on an RFQ for the construction u remodeling and expansion of the um rec center in Silverthorn. We brought on a construction management team ahead of bid um underneath similar circumstances like I'm not going to do this without a contract um and they came in with estimates on what that pre-construction cost was going to look like or ultimately you guys are going to have to approve both the appropriation and and you know if that amount is ex you know is not budgeted for it has to come back for you for final approval on the number because it's not budgeted for

right and there's there's always another step there's always a next step but there's always a fail safe it seems himself, right? And one of the I think Matt wants to chime in here, but one other thing here first is this process going with RFQ is the process that SE dot said this is how you do it, right? So this is how they do it on big projects like ours that had federal funding is to get an RFQ and then to move the next step. So it's prescribed. Yes, it is. Okay, Matt,

it's funny that you say that. We have built a bridge before. We did this exact same process with 27th Street Bridge and we did CM work in advance with an RFQ. We hired HDR. They did a little upfront work. They got used to what the plan said, all the specifications because there's thousands of pages of everything. They got to be ready to understand as the bid goes out because they'll help us answer questions too. And then if the project comes back and the bid is $200 million to build a bridge, that's what they get paid and we'll all move on in life kind of thing. But we have done this before. It's the exact same process, but we did this for to clarify. I didn't mean you, I meant me. I'm just looking here. We had something before other than Ray. Ray of course has Yeah.

Put her in my car. I was the one that said we had to I apologize for my confusion. Most of my disappointment was my understanding that Seed was doing all of the administration and the cost of that administration was their contribution to the project. I'm sorry I misunderstood that, but that's a big misunderstanding to me. in terms of this RFQ as long as as long as it's clear that we have staged pre-bid services and post bid services with that it's clear that we may not go forward with this project after bids are received or even if we receive bids then then what we are approving is are the hourly rates that were included in the RFQ to to pay the consultant to come up to speed with the understanding of the project to be able to provide the assistance that Matt and Ryan need.

Okay. Yep. Okay. Any other discussion or actually questions I should say? No. Is there anybody from the public here that'd like to comment? I'll see none. Bring it back to council and entertaining a motion in item nine. Award request for qualifications 202538Q. Council Shack. Mr. Mayor, in regard to item nine, I move that we award the request for qualifications 2025-38Q. The Southbridge Construction Management and Inspection Services. Thank you. I have a motion to approve. Second.

And appro Sinsky. We have a second to approve. Enthusiastic second, I have to say. Any more discussion? We'll see none. I'll call for the question. Yes, councelor Townsley. Yes, Mayor Prom Zalinsky. Yes, Mayor Dame. Yes, councelor Schmall. No, Councelor Smith. Yes, Councelor Shakar. It passes 51. Thank you. Thank you, Ryan. Thanks for being here. You're not done there. Oh, Coach Miller Drive is also you, isn't it? I'm not leaving. Okay. Item 10. I am not leaving. Uh, award request for proposal 202539P. Coach Miller Drive and 14th Street construction. Ryan, please.

So, this is a P and not a Q. So, there are dollars associated with this project. Um, I went over this my my my preview of the projects coming up, so I won't go into the detail of what it is. Certainly listed here in the staff report. Happy to go into the detail. Um, this project, we received four bids from from contractors. Um, all within our budget. In fact, the the the low bid was was under our budget. Um we the low bid was from a company called Timberwolf Excavating which is um a local branch out of Brighton, Colorado. Um we did our due diligence. We called their references, checked in on the references. Um we interviewed them prior to us making this recommendation. In fact, these folks are out at the Home Two Suites, which is the newest hotel going up in the Meadows. Um just to get a feel for who they were. Can they do this? Right. And again, the the critical part of this project is the time frame. They only have a a a short couple months to do this work. And so, we really grilled them to make sure they had the capability um to do this. And we felt very confident after talking to them that that they in fact did. Um couple things to note here before we move on. One is that the um cost that's in here in their bid, they had a mathematical error um that we caught and we did our due diligence. Now, it didn't change the bottom line. Um but I wanted to make that make you aware that there was a there there was a um a minor cost error. I think I said this I can tell you what that is specifically. Um, and the other other thing to be aware of is that we are going after a dole grant, a tier one do grant, which is for $200,000. So, this if you if you approve this project, we are not going to sign the contractor up until after we know if we get get

that um get that grant. That's just the way it way it works. But, we wanted to get this um in front of you and out of the way. So again this is for um award to TWWX um for find where the total cost is uh two see 2,119,025 in a few few cents. Um kick it back to you guys for any questions or concerns with regards to this project. Thank you Ryan. Thanks for the info. Uh back to uh council for question. We'll start with councelor.

Uh Ryan, the the contract amount includes the corrected mathematical error. Correct. No. No, it does not. The recommendation was to proceed with the with with the cost without the mathematical error and then we will we will adjust that with the change order as we move forward. You know what the mathematical error is? We do. Why would you not just correct it in the contract? Well, the advice we got, Mr. Mr. Muse may may opine about that as our city clerk. We don't change bids before we award them.

Procedure.

Yes. We don't change actual bids before we award them. We award what bids we were uh received. So, we were given the bid of $2,119,000. So, we don't change the bid that we were given. So, we award the bid that we were given. And then we can change the amount with a change order. We know the amount is more, but we know the amount is still uh under and still our preferred bid um of the other uh proposals. It's probably immaterial at this point, but the normal process from a state perspective would be to correct the mathematical error and the contractor has a choice of of accepting the correction or not accepting the correction and then the bids are evaluated based on those numbers. So you you can't you can't take a legitimate mistake and use it for or against either party, but but the mistake should be corrected beforehand typically. Um I have one other question. The project is bonded, right? The contractor will provide a a performance bond and

and a payment plan. Yeah. And and we'll have another change order for a water tap to the dog park which I visited today and uh was frankly very impressed with. Thank you. Thank you. May pro 10 real quick just just so yeah councelor we did communicate with the contractor and they are aware of where of the error and again as Ryan Ryan mentioned it had no material impact to the the overall ranking of the bids

will this be um funded by the streets and infrastructure fund is that part of Yep. Yep. So this is covered by a few different entities. So the the street and infrastructure fund is covering part of it. Um the water line that's associated with this is paid by the the the water fund. Thank you. Any more questions? Councelor Smith.

Um the questions I think focus more on the staff report than on the contractor's fitting document. the latter seeming to be pretty straightforward because it's a pretty straightforward project. Seem like they've got the qualifications. Um Ryan, you said a minute ago that you want to wait before actually awarding the contract or signing the contract until you hear from Dola. When will you hear from Dola?

So the Dola grant I can't remember exactly the due date. We should hear back from Dola sometime in midappril. That has been our experience from from past grant cycles. Um again, we've made the contractor aware that this is going on that a physical signed contract is is is is um waiting until we hear back from DOA. I will say that if we don't get the DOA funds, we have budgeted for this project. So, the project would go um you know, regardless of that. Um but but again that's the process that that Dola has is they don't want to see signed contracts before uh the branch has been issued.

That that was the prompting of my question because your memo says you're going to build it with or without DOA. Yeah. Um but in order to keep Dola happy meanwhile you're going to do it in this sequence. That is correct. Yeah. Thank you. Um, and you said that the the timing is crucial. Get it done while school's out basically. And the contractor is very real clear on that.

Crystal clear. Crystal clear. Yeah. At at pre-bid during the walkthrough, they were all made made aware and then we emphasized it in two separate meetings with Timberwolf how critical it is to be done. Um, in fact, in order to make sure the project is done on time, we have um very steep liquidated damages in the amount of $10,000 per day if they don't finish the project in time. That was my next question. Do they get incentives to finish early or just penalties if they finish late? No carrots, just sticks.

Love it. Uh, one of the things you mentioned in your summary of the project in your staff report is a plan and is in the drawings, the plan to realign the Coach Miller 14th Street Pitkin Avenue intersection. Um, presumably to line up the parking lot exit Yep. into the Pitkin intersection.

Yep. That's that's the main thing for a variety is realigning it solves a bunch of problems. Right? There's pedestrian issues, right? Crossing the street. Right now it's offset by maybe 40 feet. Um if you have the privilege of going there either when school is in session at the beginning of the morning or letting out um it is a cluster and so this will help to create better flow overall. I know my questions about this are a little late because it's designed, but I'm still curious. Why was that built that way in the first place? Was it intended to be a traffic calming measure?

That that I can't answer. I was not here when that was designed. I know that we did not come up with this new realignment on our own. Um we sat down with the high school and had a conversation and looked to it and they um all of the the high school, whether they're staff at the high school, principles, etc. or um the school district's maintenance staff. Um we're very very supportive of this. In fact, that's the only reason why we're moving forward is and I bring it up in part because periodically you just continue to hear from neighbors about fastmoving high school cars at lunchtime or before and after school. Um and if this cluster did serve to calm that down, maybe it's not such a bad thing. But

well, and and and sorry to speak over you. One of the things that we don't have in the drawings that we're likely going to add at request of the high school is perhaps some speed bumps on Coach Miller Drive to again to to mitigate some of those fast driving high school students. Uh and the other aspect of this realignment is that there are some nice trees in the way of that realignment. Who pays to replace those trees? Um we're going to try to save those trees if we can.

Really? Um I I don't think that's possible, but we will see if we can work out. But if those trees go away, um we don't have plans right now to replace them, but that could be something that we look to do later. Um the school has some other ideas of maybe some other work, too. So there could be some opportunities to to to replace some of that vegetation. I'm surprised and disappointed the school didn't squawk about losing trees. Um but I they should have and I and I encourage they and you to look for ways to you can't save the trees to replace them. somebody's money. Um, thank you.

Thank you. Any other questions? I see none. Anybody from the public? Any comments? We'll see none. Close the public portion. Bring it back to council for a motion and award request for proposal 202539P. Mayor Prom Silinski. I would like to uh make a motion to approve the award request for proposal 2025-39P Coach Miller Drive and 14th Street Construction. Excellent. We have a motion to approve. May uh council and a second. Any more discussion? See none. I'll call for the question.

It passes 6. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Well, Ryan Ryan, uh, moving on. Award request for proposal 202540P, Highway 6 and 24, shared use path improvements. [snorts] Once again, I am up here to to speak with you folks. So, again, um, went over this in fairly great detail before. I won't go into the details of the project. Again, if you want to, I'm happy to go over it.

Um, this project, we had three bids. Um, the low bidder, um, is Goldwood Construction out of Glenwood Springs. um their bid of $2.8 million and a little bit more. Um we just with the previous one, we've brought in Google and asked them some questions to make sure they understand the project, that they can execute it, and we feel very comfortable that they have both the capabilities and expertise to do it. Um working through some of the details on schedules. Um but then again, they want to get going as soon as possible. Um the one thing on this so so somewhat similar to coach Miller not quite the same apples to apples comparison um this project has funding from SE dot some MOF funding $750,000 um CDOT has to approve of the project prior to us signing the contract those approvals went into COT earlier this week. We're just waiting for a signature. It was approved at the local regional 3 level. We should expect that at any moment. Um but again um that funding is contingent upon SE dot giving their blessing. We full confidence that it will. Um it's a great project. Um again we got three bids from from three local contractors and feel pretty good about where we stand on this. Questions?

No, no. Let's go straight to the motion. Entertaining a motion. Wonderful. Oh god. I know. I'm just kidding. Hoping you guys wouldn't catch it. Mayor Prom Solinsky questions please. Okay. Quick question. I see two spots where it says closed trail. I don't see where the trail is open. Can you um tell me based on their timeline when the trail will be open for people to use? Yeah. So, we're still working through the details with with GW what their plan is is to the trail will be 100% closed during construction. There's just no getting around it. We have the water line goes from Lynen up to where the pump station is. halfway between there's a a kind of a small trail.

I'm going to cut you off. I don't think I need to worry about that. Like, you don't have to justify that. I just know that we're going to get questions from West Glwood residents when they can start using their trail again. And so, I just was wondering if you could. So, the goal of the project is to be done before Strawberry Days. So, we'll see if I don't I'm not a good question.

I I don't again, we're not holding it's not the final. That is certainly the goal. Things come up, right? But their plan has been um to be done by then. And if not, we know this is a major corridor whether it's strawberry days or not. Right? So if it's not done by strawberry days, they will be off and they will have some portions of it open, predominantly the roadway. Um this project will have a significant amount of traffic control. That northern edge of 6 and24 gets a brand new curb and gutter. The plan is to have a temporary stoplight out there to regulate traffic and allow the contractor just to boogie on. Right. So there will be some disruptions, but the goal again is to minimize construction overall. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you,

Councelor Shaker. No, I was going to make a motion. Oh, not ready for that. Okay. Any other questions? No. We'll see none. Public comment. Anybody here to comment? See none. Back to council. Entertaining a motion. Award request for proposal 202540p. Council Shakar. Uh I move that we award the request for proposal 202540p highway 6 and 24 shared use path improvements. Motion to approve. Looking for a second. Councelor Smith enthusiastically second and

this is a thrill. The first time city staff told me 6 and 24 path replacement will be designed this year, built next year was 2016. Oh, that's a good deal then. [laughter]

And each year the same the same intention genuine as it was kind of just slipped along year after year. Design this year, build next year. they just slipped. This is thrilling. So, thank you very much all of you for finding the money and and getting this design uh in such a final way and adding all this utility and drainage improvements to boot. Uh this is this is a a a marvelous success already. Thank you. Support the motion.

Second. So now we have a motion, a second, and we already had comments. So I don't know if we need to talk about it anymore. Uh any other comments? See none. Call for the question. It passes unanimous. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, council. Thank you, Ryan. Have a good night. Okay. Item 12, ordinance 20261, building permit inspection fee. Second reading. Trent, please.

Good evening again, mayor and council. Trenheight with Community Development. Following up uh from our last meeting, uh you all wanted to place this on the the regular agenda so that we can make some corrections to the ordinance to correct the the reinspection fee schedule. Um and I did just want to kind of add a little bit more color to that conversation. That was one of the main intents of of our proposing this fee schedule change. And you know, as a reminder of the approximately 1500 inspections we did last year, we only did reinspections for um 120 of those. And we only actually applied a reinspection fee for 33 of the approximately 120. And um the changes that we are proposing are intended really to to not necessarily cover the costs of inspection, but to be a penalty as to you know inspections being called for incomplete work or you know time wasted of our inspectors that that takes us away from other plan reviews and other inspections being scheduled. Um and um of those 30 um three approximately reinspection fees applied, approximately half of those were for one um development. Uh maybe you've you've seen it out in Glennwood Meadows area. Um while that project is is coming uh closer and closer to being complete, um you know, it is something that we would like to have in our back pocket for for any abuses of of our inspectors into the future. So happy to answer any additional questions you have. We have corrected that exhibit A that that addresses those inspection fees.

Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Thanks for the info. Uh questions from council. See none questions from the public. Also see none. Bring it back to council for motion. Ordinance 26 I'm sorry 20261 building permanent inspection fee second reading. Mayor Prom Solinski. So I would like to move to approve ordinance 2026-01 building permit inspection fees. Have a motion to approve and looking for a second. Councelor Sher second the motion.

Excellent. Motion is second to approve. Any more discussion? See none. Call for the question. No. Councelor Townsley. Yes. Mayor Prom Zinsky. Yes. Mayor Dame. Yes. Councelor Schmall. Yes. Councelor Smith. Yes. Councelor Shakar passes 51. Thank you, Ryan. Moving on. Item 13, ordinance 202603, sales tax language 040.2.030 cleanup. That pretty much covers it.

Um, it's just a section of the code that, you know, when we update as a result of tax rates changing everything, some language got missed, we're cleaning it up so that we don't have to do it again just by referencing back to the main provisions. That's it. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Carl. Any questions? Councelor Smith, it is basically the child care tax being incorporated. Is that No, no, no. This is not the childare tax being incorporated. This is clean up from um because childcare tax is not ours. So, it's not in and Steve can give you the whole rundown on how that works. This is just cleaning up for the um uh 2A and 2C.

Okay. Excellent. Any other questions? See none. Anybody from the public? Also seeing none, bring it back to council entertaining a motion ordinance 20263. Mayor Protown Solinski, please. Okay. U would like to move to approve ordinance 2026-03 sales tax language cleanup at 04. Okay, sorry. Let me do this again. 04.020.030. Excellent. We have a motion to approve. I'm looking for a second. Councelor Shack. I'll second the motion.

Motion to second to approve. Any other discussion on council? See none. Call for the question. It's unanimous. Thank you, Ryan. And resolution item 14, resolution 20260, electric tariff sheet dates for 2026 rate adjustment. Matt Langghor, please.

Good evening, council. I'm coming in front of you tonight uh to ask for a small increase in electric fees. Um and I'll throw up a couple exhibits here in just a moment so you can kind of see where we fall because that's always the question. Um we did a rate study back in 2021 falling into 2022. Some of you probably remember that. Uh me actually did that rate study for us. Andrew did a great job. Um this is the last year of that rate study recommendations. He had recommended a 5.2% 2% increase basically for three years I believe in a row it was four um this would be the last year he was recommending 5.2% increase and that would be an increase on the um power rate not the flat fees. So the flat fees we left the same if you look at the tariff sheets it's just an increase on the rate itself. Um, let me actually throw this up here. For some reason, that's not sharing. There it is. One moment. Uh, for some reason in 2024, we did not fill out the CAMU survey of all the municipalities, reas, co-ops, everything in the the state of Colorado that they represent. Um, what I have in here is I placed us. It's a little maybe hard to see. I can send these to you. We're right here. And a lot of people [clears throat] like to see comparisons. So, this is 2024's rates for a residential customer, standard residential customer using 700 kilowatts of power in a month. Um, that rate, if you project out our tariffs for 2026, would be about $108.76 for their power bill. These are 2024 rates for all the other municipalities which have gone up several percentages since then. And you can kind of see we fall right here which is about midway in the municipalities and about it's a little bit less than midway when it comes to the co-ops. And this is

investorowned over in the blue which is Excel which would been $121. So I'm just going to step through three of these things because you'll see three rates basically built in residential, small commercial, and large commercial. And then I'll pop open one more thing. Um, this is small commercial. You can see we're right here at $293.80 for $2,000 kilowatts of use. Um, that puts us approximately in the mid-range in municipalities. Once again, this is two years ago for their rates and mid-range for co-op, a little bit higher and still under Excel. Um, Excel would have been $318.85. And this is just taking their service fees, any demand charges, anything they have for that bill for 2,000 kilowatts basically of usage. Um, and applying it to a monthly standard monthly bill. Last one would be large commercial. Um, once again, large commercials around $6,000 for us. Um, that is once again coming across about mid-range on municipalities. We are higher than co-ops. Co-ops kind of promote industrial and commercial. Um, so we're higher than they are, but we're right in line uh slightly below Excel Energy. This is probably hard to see also. I apologize and I can send this all to you. What I did in this one was just took Glenn Springs, Aspen, Gunnison, Delta, and Montrose and just said, "Hey, what are your flat fees? What are your rates for each one of these things?" Um, and how does that actually compare? Because if you go in and you look at our rate, we're going to be up at 0.1344 cents per kilowatt hour for residential. And you might say that's higher than Aspen, which is 0.11, or Gunnison, which is 0.11. All of them are around 0.1.10. So we're slightly higher than they are, but you go back and you look at their service fee, which is their flat fee.

Um, and they basically balance out. So, if we're at $108.76 for a residential at 700 kilowatts, Aspen, who was cheaper than us in the rate, but $61 for the service fee would have been 116. Uh, Gunnison's at 101, so they're slightly lower than us. Delta's at 97 and Montrose would have been Montrose demea would have been 118. If you just I just wanted to kind of point that out. If you go in and look at rates, there's a flat fee associated with it all the time. And then there is actually a power rate itself. ours is a little higher, but our flat fee is a little less. We are going to be working on a rate study this year. Actually, we've already started that. Um, and most likely that will change a little bit because they're suggesting you cover more of your O andM fees with your flat fees and bring your VA your power rates back down a little bit. Um, so all that said, because I know some of you hadn't been through this previous before, the way that we change rates is you're the electric board. You're also the the city electric board, which is the city council. We bring tariff sheets to you just like anybody else in the state of Colorado would do. Excel Energy Holy Cross and we make recommendations that it's an advice letter and then we set the rates below that. So everything within your packet is what we're recommending for rates coming into 2026. Mean doesn't change their rates until April 1, which is kind of why we lag the first of the year. You know, these rates will go in I think March 1 is what I put them in. Um, so they won't see them until I think the first weekend, the first bill in [clears throat]

Thank you, Matt. Yeah. Any questions, Councelor Smith? I indeed have not been through a rate setting, let alone an update. Um, if I'm reading this right, it's just basically for each kilowatt hour you use, you [clears throat] pay a certain number of pennies.

And are there any incentives or disincentives to conserve? I know in in many long long old old days, there used to be block pricing where if you if you were a big shopping mall, it was to your advantage to use more and get a lower rate per kilowatt hour. We're out of those days, right?

We're we're out of those days. Our ba our rates are very basic at this moment. Um we'll probably bring two or three different versions of rate options to you over this rate study, which would be once again like kind of tiered rates. So it's like water. If you use too much, we actually punish you for that. We can bring time of use rates. So if you're using power off peak, it may be seven cents, but if you're using it on peak, it may be 21 cents. Um, and we may be bringing probably we're bringing for at least commercial demand charges. Um, because when a commercial turns on and they're using a massive amount of power right at peak, they're kind of part of the problem. So, can they start adjusting that? And if not, then they would actually pay. It's kind of like a a time of uh day uh rate, but they'll be paying demand charges. Anything above what a normal demand load would be. So, we'll be bringing several options to you to try to balance and discourage too much electrical use, leaving the air conditioner on all day, those kinds of fun things. Um, but at the end of the day, people will use power as they want.

Thank [clears throat] you. I think I think that at least mentions my other question. Uh, the city's climate action plan at task E3.1.2 two says implement demand charge into electricity fees by 2026. Is that incorporated here or is that contemplated in this new study? That is incorporating the new study.

So we would be if we go with demand charges, it would be rolled into the 20 the beginning of 2027 for those fees. We tried to do this rate study last year, water study got in the way of it a little bit because we're doing actually a water sewer and an electric rate study all at the same time. right now. It's in its infancy. It will be brought to council as we move along and come up with some more options. Water and sewer is probably pretty easy. We made some massive changes last year. Um the electric will be more of an interesting conversation. Thank you.

Thank you. Does this maybe that was his question. Does this uh reflect on this new transmission line that's going to cost an arm and a like? So that's why I'm saying Andrew did a really good job because wind power and basically green power went from super subsidized to not. So it's gone up in cost in the transmission line and the fees from the P power pathway project that are being implemented across the board for everyone. Um yes are already included in this 5.2%.

So no included in the next rate study because unless something happens we will continue to pay more and more. I want to say it was 15% increase this year for us on transmission, which is $150,000. Actually, $180,000 by itself. That's just one fee that just randomly changed just to get it from A to B. Wow. And not even yet. Not our A to B. It's not R and B. No, I get it. We're just in the middle of things. Okay. Questions anymore? We'll see none. Uh, anybody from the public? Also see none. Bring it back to council. Entertaining a motion resolution 202602. Councelor Shaker.

Sure. Regarding resolution 20260, electric tariff sheet updates for 2026 rate adjustment. I move we approve. A motion to approve. Looking for a second. A second and a second. A motion is to approve. Any discussion? See none. Call for the question. It passes unanimously. Thank you, Ryan. This concludes our actions and presentations for tonight. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, council. Uh, moving on to council comments. We'll start with councelor Townsley. Councelor Small,

please. Yeah, I do I [clears throat] do want to say that I that I was as many as many things that are troubling that we do here as council, I was really uplifted today to go down to that park below Coach Miller Drive. Um it was clean. I picked up some trash, but it was relatively clean. Uh people were well behaved. looked like there was only one homeless inment under the bridge on the uh west side of the river. Had a nice Tarzan rope to get himself up and down the hill. Uh but it was very nice. Congratulations to everybody that was involved in that.

Okay, thank you. Excellent. Mayor Pro Sinsky, I have nothing. Nothing. Councelor Smith. No, you I'm coming from the outside in. That's how I like to do it. There you go, council.

Thank you. Um, at the last meeting, I posed a question. Are we prepared for the possible wildfire year, considering how dry it's been all summer and all fall and all winter? We didn't know for sure. I did have a conversation with Chief Gerald during the Saturday night community party uh about this. He feels I'm hoping I'm conveying what he said correctly. He feels that they they are prepared on paper because they have a very thoroughly designed emergency response plan which includes a community evacuation plan. Uh he was quick to acknowledge that this is not something you can practice on in the real world like you can't a fire drill in a school because it's streets, people, traffic. You can't go out there and and run a trial run. So they're anxious about actually implementing it, but he feels confident about the cutthroughs on the interstate, the a block design for the neighborhoods in this, in a sequence or um evacuations if that comes to be, including places to park cars or to send people to accumulate cars once they're out of town, traffic, stopping from Carbondale to to gypsum. Uh just they've got big big things in mind. So it it it provided some confidence. He also specifically said it's important to start alerting the public to this possibility and to some of the details in the plan. Uh we both acknowledge that not very many residents going to read all 60 pages of that plan. So I'll presume to suggest that we start to think about a package of concise summary

points for local residents on how to participate in this evacuation plan if and when the time comes. Uh he suggested that that kind of PR campaign will begin in March. Um, we last meeting also heard several spontaneous comments from council members about the out of compliance lighting in the new North Landing Park. Uh, who is responsible for the retrofit to bring that into compliance, shades or changes in fixtures or otherwise? Is that parks or DDA or somebody else? [clears throat]

So, we kind of break that up a little bit. I think we did make some um u progress on the ballards. I don't know exactly where we are on the lights, whether or not we're going to be able to dim those a little bit more or not. I I haven't gone up to look. So, something's actually been done already. I'll go look. Thank you. I think it was all about the ballers.

Yeah, the lights. I don't know what you mean by ballers, but the the short waist highlights that were glare bombs. Good. Thank you. Um and then uh finally, when and how will somebody perhaps including city council um debrief the Saturday night party and ways that it might be made even better. It's on another round. It's on the schedule for the next meeting. We were going to do it to tonight, but we just kind of got too full in work sessions, but we'll try to do it next next meeting. Cool deal. Thank you very much. Thank you, Steve. Uh, council shter comments, please.

Yeah. One, um, one unexpected one. I don't know officer Becca from Colorado Game and Fish. I don't know her last name, but one thing we need to be, I think, acutely aware of, the bears are not sleeping this winter. Um, normally we don't pay any attention to bears in town. They are out. And so really, yes, the weather has been so warm that they are out and I think it's important that the public be aware of that we don't get a respit this winter like we normally do. Yeah, good comment. Thank you.

Um the other one, more importantly, I think there's been some foreshadowing of this. I'm going to ask for the support. I need three other council people to support me. I need two other people to support me. I'm asking I think it is time for us to review at the higher level policy level our whole housing policy not just the 2C portion. We haven't done it for quite a while and I think it's critical that we at council concur at the policy level what we want to then give staff and our commissions more tools and direction so they can advise us. I've put together an initial my own initiative kind of a little paper to help start the process as well as some information that um Steve has that so that if council supports that we do this in a workshop or workshops as needed uh that we proceed with that because I think it is timely and needed.

Question would you suggest that we we start as a workshop or would you and then kick it to like a P&Z and a housing commission? We have to stop. It has to start I believe it starts with us at the very broadest policy level. Then once we concur and you'll see from the paper I put together there's like it's not cast in stone but then it goes down. Okay. And and there'll be some review by staff as well. Okay. So, uh council shacker is acting acting asking for uh two more councils to support this. Um, and I assume you guys have questions or comments on this on this particular item. Councelor Townsley,

mine would just be I support it. I think that's really something we need to do. Excellent. Good to hear. And councelor Smith, I too would like to enthusiastically support this.

Um, [snorts] the caveat that I feel is is a is over the in advance projection that we're going to just declare something and other people are going to fill in behind. I tend to like that work the opposite direction of of our experts and our delegated uh advisory boards bringing ideas that can can be fogger for that very thoughtful discussion. Uh indeed both the 2C commission, 2C advisory board and the PNZ itself are starting that um those deliberations. And I I guess I'd like to see it a little more iterative than we declare something and ask them to fill in the blanks. Maybe that's just semantics, but I like the concept of the council being in some sequence very deliberate about a housing vision and a housing strategy.

Thank you. C mayor promps I just wanted to say I know um councelor sha chat he never say chancellor I know I say it wrong um has been operating in this space for a long time and has a lot to add. So, I feel like this is appropriate for us to take on. Okay. Thank you, Councelor Schmal.

Yeah, I would welcome that policy overview with with the data and the facts supporting the policy arrived at once we get the study of what is what is the ideal how we know how many units we have now. I haven't seen the number, but we know how many hotel rooms. We know how many apartments, we know how many uh houses, we know how many condos. We know those numbers. We we should know relatively closely how many employees there are at least at all of the major employers, how many is how many other support employees. So, what do we have versus what do we need? and a policy that supports from the data.

So, did you want to respond to anything or I I was just I was just going to say so it sounds to me that a workshop is is an order. Um I I would think we'll maybe start with a framework top level and then kick it to wherever we think we need to kick it to to get the correct information. Um, so anytime we have a spot, I would say we'll put it on a put it on a work session because it sounds like you have council full support. Thank you. And there is some preliminary homework that Steve will share. Okay. Start start the conversation. Of course there is.

Of course, the white papers. Excellent. Uh, city manager Steve Boyd. Um, just [clears throat] a couple of quick things. Uh, councelor Smith, I think I misunderstood your question last time and it occurred to me after. Um, I do think that from a fire protection perspective, we're in as good a shape as we've ever been. I've never seen our guys train as hard. We've been doing pile burns. We've been doing more mitigation. We do have plans together. I feel I feel like we're as strong as we can be kind of going into what might be a difficult fire season. So, I just wanted to add that. Um, the other thing, uh, I have gotten you probably have too, a number of comments about the state of the city that we did. I think there was a lot of appreciation um that was extended to us when we were there. I think it the crowd greatly exceeded what we ever thought we could get. Um how many people we thought we could get there. So we need to make a couple of changes there. And Bree's not here so I'll say it now. Uh, I just wanted to thank her for that's a big lift and if we've never done it before, it's a lot of uncertainty and it's a lot of pressure and it's a lot of stress and I really appreciate how hard she worked to get everything done and everybody on our staff and you guys for showing up to do that. That's it for me.

Thank you, Steve. Uh, city attorney Carl Handler.

Yeah, just one thing tonight. Um, you know, moving out of on the Shosonyi in stream flow rights. So, got the sign off from CWCB. Next phase of that is um the river district filed a water rights application um right after that hearing. Um we just so you know and so it doesn't freak you out if you see an article on it or something. We as a city of Blood Springs filed a statement of opposition and support. I mean just the way the world works that's a responsive plea pleading is a statement of opposition even if you're in support of something. um just so you know that we did that um so that we would be in that case so that we can offer our support along the way um and remain engaged in that and I just didn't want you to like read it in the paper you know when there's and there's going to be I don't know 100 statements of opposition some in support and some against obviously complicated case but anyway just giving you a heads up on that so you know that we're we're there and doing that.

Okay, excellent. Thank you. Uh any any correspondence? No, your honor. Thank you, Mr. Muse. Uh, Mayor Prom Solinski. So, um, to piggyback on both I thought you were going to say we're I know. So, councelor Smith brought up something. Our police department offers free fire mitigation consultations. All you have to do fire. Did I say fire department? No, you said police. It's okay. It's I'm sorry. It's been a John. You got it.

You don't want to do that. No, sorry. It's So I was gonna say call Mina Bolton. So she's not with police with the fire department. So um you know to your point and to your point if people have concerns about their personal property. Um they will come out and walk the property and give recommendations. Um and potentially there may be some assistance out there. I understand it's a good deal. It's a very informative and very good. So, I encourage anybody that has um concerns to take advantage of that. And then um socially, I think we're going to hit Capato this evening. Excellent. Thank you. If I see nothing else, I'm entertaining a motion to adjurnn. So move and a second.

All in favor say I. I. I. Those