Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone. Welcome to uh December Law City Lwell's planning board meeting. Um, our first order of business will be to approve the minutes from the last meeting, the November 5th meeting. Any comments or concerns with the minutes? No.

Make a motion to approve. All fair.

First order of business. Let's do this. I will open the floor for public comment tonight. Uh please come forward one at a time. State say your name and address. Please remember there is a threeminut time frame for public comment. I'll ask you to address the whole planning board as a group not to single out any one board member for your comments. I would also like to remind you this comment period is not a dial or conversation. It's simply a public comment. We will give you a little warning. earlier. I was asked that um 30 seconds before the the time is up. Um and uh when that comes around, we'll do that. All right. So, our first order of business this evening care of that is site plan and architectural review uh SP250096 Ridge Street LS LLC. Owner tax map number 306.16-16-1 commonly known as 196 street represented by Ethan Hall of Rosinski Hall architecture received from site plan review to convert the existing building of a two-unit apartment building into a six-unit apartment building as well as construction six future townhouse units consisting of three-bedroom units pursuant to the city of Huntsville zoning code chapter 220-14 17B 1 and 2. This requires site plan review and approval. Architecture review AR25-004. 196 Street, Blitz Falls LLC, owner of tax map number 302.16-6-1, commonly known as 196 Street, represented by Ethan Hall. Architecture is seeking architecture review. to convert the existing building from a two-unit apartment building into a six-unit apartment building, as well as constructs six future townhouse units

consisting of three-bedroom units pursuant to the city of Glenswell zoning code chapter 220-14E1 and 2. This will require architectural review and approval. Good evening everyone. For the record of John Waffle, also representing the applicant with Ethan Hall. Um, since the last meeting, we've submitted what was requested by the board, a traffic letter indicating that there's no traffic impact. Um, there was also issues raised by the neighbors about impact on the school system. They were fortunate to be able to submit a letter from uh the school district superintendent saying that the school has plenty of capacity for for multif family and encourages it, which was nice to get in writing. We don't always get that from the school district. But in general, I think that the level of opposition here doesn't make sense because we're taking a dilapidated structure in an area of the city that has unfortunately a number of dilapidated structures and doing a renovation project that provides multif family in the multif family zone. That whole area of Red Street is multif family, which as you heard last time, um multif family is encouraged. There's a need for it in the city. There's multif family all around us where we're sitting tonight. There aren't problems with with multif family in in Glenn Falls. Um and and these are a mixture of ju just two one-bedroom, four two-bedroom, and six threebedroom, which addresses some issues that were raised before this board last year on multif family projects, the need for families. Um that this provides that. But more important than that, it's a high-end project that's going to be architecturally nice for the community. Um, still a small project with only 12 units. And and it's worth pointing out that in this zone, 19 units are permitted. So, this is not maximizing the density as some

developers would. And based upon the concerns of neighbors who again are are are primarily in a two family zone. Some of them are in a one family zone, but they're right next door to a multif family zone. The project now has a fence around the boundary and significant landscaping along the fence. So, um it's welldesigned and it's also well buffered. Um of course, city water and sewer, no problem with traffic. This will be an improvement for neighbors because it's a nice project. So with that, I'll have Ethan go through the details. Thank you for your records, Ethan Hall, principal of Resisting Hall Architecture. Um the couple items that we have discussed at the last meeting. I think most of them uh need came from you, but um some of the things that we've taken care of since we met last, we had had bank, we had showed bank parking spaces back here. We've all agreed we no longer need those. We've taken those out. There's no indication of additional parking to be done in the future. What we have shown is is what's required and we meet the requirement for the for the parking for this area. Um site plan wise, I believe that was about all that we had that we had discussed. [clears throat] The other remaining item is something that I had gone over with with Mina and and the request to make the front of the frontfacing portion of the building that faces William Street of the proposed six-unit townhouse to make it look more like the front of a building. So to that end, we've added u a roof over the top of the door and we've extended the roof of the uh the utility room out over the end of the building so it looks like a porch that goes the full length of the

building. Um makes it look more like the front of the house. And um the other two items that we had talked about were colors and I believe we have the brick color sample and the siding colors. copies of those. Okay.

Um there was a water supply analysis done by New York Fire. Um they've tested two hydrants. Uh you've got the flow results there. Uh well in excess of anything that we're going to need for these to to provide sprinklers within the building. Uh we did get some comments today from the uh city engineer regarding water and sewer. We have no issues with what they proposed. Take care of that. It's all construction. We can't hear you. You can't hear me? Wow.

I'm usually told to shut up. Um, so we did get information today, supplied to us today from the uh city engineer. There's some minor things in there that are mostly engineering and and construction details that they're looking for. and we have no problem taking care of those. With that, take any additional questions you might have. Just just a lot of time to people that are for this project that are against this project. Um, you know, I think a lot of points have been I think one of the concerns I have based on what you said there's concern for water and that you're going to take care of that and not going to take care of it, but I think just like I think people are looking for, you know, like here's so is there something coming from uh water storage.

Yeah, he's Were they g were they given his comments? I He should be right in front of you, Tom. You should You should have You should have his comments. They're They're mostly connection details that they're looking for. I provided them with the flow rates. I provided him with everything that we needed for that. They just want us to confirm a couple of things off in their capacity. It's Yeah, it's not capacity issues. just they want to see where the connections are going to be made and actually to examine the pipe which would be good for the neighborhood. Yeah. Okay.

And our fire prevention officer wrote, "I have no concerns with the project. We did see the protest with the passing notice. Distances of the driveways have been provided in new code. I have no concern with the project moving forward." That was from our fire prevention officer, Lieutenant We can't hear you.

So this is a public hearing. So the rest of this bring the chairs closer if you want. We'll try to speak up. Mr. Tell us this will be our last meeting. I guess the only point I was trying to get to is that I'm assuming that all this is public record like this. I think it would minimize some of the animosity of some of the questions. I'm not here, but I think some everything has been submitted. It's all part of the public record. Okay. Um I if I go here, I think one thing uh I think that um One thing that encouraged me about this project was typically um just happened around street. Typically a project that just starts out you got a a building that is repaired. a lot. It's looks like a jumbo. They clear it out and start moving. So, um, you know, the more I thought about

this project, I think this project is kind of a a good compromise for that because you're you're taking a historical building, you're renovating it, you're expanding it. In a lot of cases, it's less expensive to tear something like that down and bring the new construction and energy efficiencies and accessible. So I think part of this there um I think that a lot is something that I'm surprised that we as a city were more concerned about, you know, the fact that I also realize too that one of the things that made that property to you guys was that. So, um, again, it seems like it's a compromise because you're not going to have the big buffer we had before, which and that they took the time to have a hard come in and a lot of the trees and maybe uh should stay, they were unhealthy and they're going to end up going to fall on your house. Um, so like I said, I had so many good things to do. Um, I've had my personal and the planning board's credibility called into question that um, and and that kind of stuff. Um, I've had the planning board compared to it were a punch card checklist that we just make sure all the boxes are checked. We send it out down the road to the count. We we looked back three different times, four different times. Um every single thing that we have asked them to do um based upon public input they've done they've done. They didn't have to do all the stuff they did. That's what I think the planning board so many questions say

and favor developers. Um it's the planning board that's come up here. We thought to make this thing there's and again my personal opinion I have been told that there's no legal present that you can stop this thing. So what you what you got to do and my thoughts you got to develop the best of both worlds. You can't stop it all by the same. Um we took the parking out of the front. We we we got a buffer. You got a fence. You got you got shrubby going in. Um patios were taken off the rack and then by should be impact. Um you to me you got a developer that I think is to public town. Um but I fully appreciate the fact that the people of this the atmosphere is over there. So I guess just my final thing is to me I'm concerned the fact I apologize that tax um I think is going through the biggest road history um project like this and groups like tags um I think are going to bring to light the fact that we got to update u our codes we got to upate some of our regulations. Um, something take you can't set a precedent for the rest of the city. You kind of pick and choose and say, "Okay, for this project, we're going to so I think a lot of you got to you got to comply with regulations until you know working on the comprehensive plan right now. There's not a lot of that. I think a lot of this

So I guess Mr. Sh.

Yeah. So it looks like he asked me a lot that I had. I'm glad to see that testing was done street. Um shows you plenty of water domestic and large fire protection. So that's one thing that we're concerned with. Um the other thing is I wish we had this information prior to night regarding the sewer. Um those are the things I brought up two months ago which are the information I like to see and check to make sure the sewer capacity was um could handle that. Um so right now as it stands that we try to send the engineer a couple hours before this meeting. So by looking at that something we're just going to have to look forward make sure that you said you're willing to comply with that take those actions which you requested in his letter. Um, as far as the project, I mean, I've lived very short distance to that location. I drove by that location every day for the past 20 years. Um, it has been in horror conditions for for the past 20 years. Um, I've been in the home. Um, it was in just as bad a condition in the inside as it was in the outside. Um, so I I believe that that is a huge improvement. um what you're doing and the plans I see on that existing piece of property. Um parking in the front um there was at least three or four cars that were broken down in front of that house for 20 years. Um they've been sitting there. So um as far as the existing structure, we've done a phenomenal job with your plans and and creating a huge improvement to that. Um I understand exact adding the um the other housing to this development. Um I believe financially is probably not able to make improvements in that existing home without having other source of income

and considering that this is zoned properly and allows you to do that. I understand where you're going with it. Um, I appreciate that you've listened to everything that the public has said, everything that we have said, and I have not seen one thing that hasn't met answered to this point. Um, so we answered all the public comments that I wrote down last week when they public or last month when the Buffalo was commenting, you've answered those either that day or since then. So, uh, we've answered every question that the board has done. You've made every concession and everything the board is asking you to do to improve that piece of property. Um so you know like I said I I think um overall this will be an improvement that

where the parking is going to be a bank. It's not going to be now green space. Just all green space. All green space all.

Um I have been thinking about this a lot too like I think everybody should know that we're happy here and talking to everybody about this because I think it leads to better outcomes for everybody. Um I really love that you guys give us a lot of information back time. I like that a lot basically. So I think that [snorts] very nice. Um, and when I was thinking about it, I know the green space is a big a big issue and we talked about it last time and heard all the comments, but I kept thinking if somebody bought this and made a single family home, they could tear down every tree there and they would never come to the front anymore cuz that's not our pickle ball. They can do anything they want. And I'm surprised that has not come to the attention of the city how overwhelmed it has been. and I it was an attractive new system and I'm surprised there hasn't been more trouble. [snorts] Um so in that way I do think it's a great project to spiffen up that part of the the neighborhood. It is done correctly. You're not maximizing the density which I'm very happy about. I I like the green space too. I I Yes. I think you guys brought everything that good communication back and forth. So I do appreciate that. I I think the plan is well developed.

Sure. I believe the plan is well developed and I really appreciate you responding to all our questions. Although I I'm I'm really happy with the approach to renovating the existing building and making that better. I really am. But I I'm uncomfortable with the additional um six apartments and I really believe the neighbors in my mind have made a compelling argument. So I really am uncomfortable with the total plan. Although you the principles are good. You presented it well. I'm very happy with the renovations and the additional apartments in the main house. I I can't I don't support the um six units in the back.

Um just just to to like pull out and give larger context, this neighborhood has a lot of rental units in it already. So, we've heard from concerned neighbors in single family homes, but I think we also haven't heard from a full cross-section of the neighborhood. And so, I just, you know, driving around and looking around and counting mailboxes, not just on the corner bridge there, but also going down Williams. This is a very mixed neighborhood with a lot of rental units. I think it's 10 or 11 across the street. 25 bedrooms is how it's listed and and that's that is the fabric of Glenn's walls. Uh I've expressed concern at other with for other applicants in the past year about the fact that we're not providing not we but there isn't housing for young families in Glenn's Falls and and I know that we as a board have also expressed concern about that. This is this is six units with three bedrooms. And if you look at the plans, it's one large bedroom with two little ones. So that to me says there's the potential for long-term tenants. And those could be a young couple that may want to start a family and stay long-term because they have the space to grow their family in that location. And in the past year, we as a board have approved 93 one-bedroom units and six studio apartments. And I feel that looking at the larger picture of Glenn's Falls and particularly the school district, which I care very much about, um I think this is good for Glenn Falls.

I think these are people who are likely to vote for the school budget. for example, there's nothing wrong with one-bedroom apartments for professionals, but there's also a transient nature to that. And so, other, you know, over and above the fact that I think it's very important that the applicant has come back and worked very hard to address all of the concerns that we have raised and the outstanding sewer and landscaping and water issues are things that have to be approved in order to get a building permit. Anyway, I think that this is thoughtful development in this neighborhood on a major thorough affair which is which is Bridge Road. Um, so that's my opinion. Um, my comments, um, it's this is tough for me. Um, it is green space. It's an old house that's been there is a bunch of green space there that hasn't been maintained forever. Um, it's a change in the neighborhood. Sometimes we like change, sometimes we don't. As a person who's currently having eight apartments being built within 22 ft of my house right now where I reside, uh, I'm very apprehensive. Uh, you don't know what's coming. I wish that I was on the planning board when that project got approved. Um, this is really well done. Um, they've asked if they they abided by or changed everything we've asked them to for the most part. I think we're going to open it up to public. What's that?

May I ask a question to make public comment? Come up and make public comment. You can't hear. You can't hear me. Can I ask just ask the question? You have to come up to the microphone and make Okay. So, we can hear you. You can't hear me.

No, I can't hear you. You hear me? I have one question right now. Could the uh project sponsor identify the uh projected monthly uh rentals the the cost of a rental on those three bedroom units? That's right now. Approximately $2,000. $2,000. Too early to know that. Thank you. I should have asked that question. Okay. All the comments open it up. 3 minutes we both 30 seconds.

Say your name.

Hi. Uh my name is Rachel 14. I live at 200 Ridge. I've spoken before. I'm sure you recall. Um, I just wanted to share with you some pictures of from our inside of our house looking out the windows just to give you a better idea of what it's going to look like or what it looks like now and then what it will look like. Um Um, so there's pictures from our kitchen inside of our kitchen window looking out back, our primary bedroom on the second floor looking out back. um our dining room windows um which would be right the access road. It looks um to the side of the garage in the um property at 196 Ridge. Um and then standing on our side porch and then standing in our driveway. Point being um it's totally lacks privacy. Um when that road comes in and those town houses come in, um I the larger of the pictures, I show you um what the view looks like from the back and then I used kind of a marker to indicate um what would then be I guess removed um and rebuilt. Um again, we are very happy with um what they've done to the house next door. There were cars there that were just sitting there. Um it definitely looks so much better now. Um, we're very happy that something is happening there. Um, I work locally Glenn Falls common school district. I'm very aware of the housing needs and the, you know, needs of our community. Um, you know, I'm on the board of directors at community action as well. Um, I just beg that we consider the size and scope. I know it's under the planned the zoning um, there, but it it really just it's not a lot of space for those large town houses. Um, and it really just kind of I

mean people are going to be driving in and out like looking into our house. So it really takes away all of our privacy and all of the green space. You know, we're just going to kind of be looking at apartments and a parking lot. And so um I just wanted to share that with you guys so you have a kind of a better idea of what that looks like right next door. And again, it's not um our kids go to school together and play happy together and go to birthday parties together. So, it's not personal, I promise. Um, thank you for your time. Jane Lab Bombard. I live at 28 Union Street. I kind of joined this debate or whatever the situation kind of late. I am an homeowner and I am a renter. I've rented in several different states and I've had my most unsatisfactory rental experiences here in Glenn Falls. That's a bigger issue we can get into another time, but I'm going to speak for the future renters of this project. Um, yes, it's commendable that we're keeping this beautiful Victorian and restoring it. We're not bulldozing it, although I think that should be the norm, not to be necessarily applauded. Um, but the town houses on the rest of the property is extra. you neighbors are going to end up with a fence in a black sheer, you know, covering over it to preserve your um privacy. Um I mean, maybe I'm picturing the aesthetics the wrong way. Maybe I'm not picturing it correctly, but from my

experience living here, that's what you're going to get. And unless these apartments are built, you know, like a fortress, it's not going to be a it's going to be loud. It's going to be busy. It's just not going to be the most pleasant living experience. I think maybe the apartments in the Victorian and in um you know, converting the garage into more apartments. Great idea. That's creative. Yes, I understand we need to bring more families. Um, I coached gymnastics and one of my gymnasts when her parents broke up, she had she they ended up moving to South Glenn's Falls and living in a Skimble apartment. I understand it probably would have been better for her to stay at Kensington. Okay, I digress, but that's my opinion. I think the apartments in the rest of the property are a little extra. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Bill Tedesco. I used to live at 50 William Street. Um, this week, uh, Dave Cook and I had a chance to reach out to the Snyder family uh, with some of our concerns. We want this to be a winwin situation. A win for the neighbors, win for the neighborhood, and a win for the Sniderfield. This their first big project. It should be a landmark for them. We are 1,000% in favor of phase one. The house is a zombie house. It's terrible. It needs to be fixed up. It'll be a gift to the city. It could be their trademark for future,

but we have concerns about phase two. We would like to negotiate with them. We want to talk to them about some of our ideas that we can maybe make this thing feasible. And I think Dave will talk about some of those ideas in a minute. But it's got to be a win-win for situation. If they're going to have a reputation in the city for future projects, they have to have happy neighbors. They have to have good results. We think that the interior space, which is very, very bad, could be brought out. Maybe these are our you know I'm not going to go into that now but these are some of the uh criticism constructive criticisms that we do have for the second part trees safety all of that will be discussed. Okay, thank you. My name is Christy Cook and I live at 202 Rich. Uh, we moved here last year so I could care for my 96-year-old mother. Converted our two family back to a one family so that I could care for her through end of life. And our investment in our home was to personally live here and not as a money-making venture. I do not see the construction of a large townhouse with six three-bedroom units in the backyard of 196 Ridge as being

what's best for the neighborhood. Imagine one large structure, but essentially six homes in that space which borders single family homes and duplexes. The density of 196 Ridge through 206 Ridge Street would increase from 9 to an additional 28 as a minimum and maybe more up to 40 or more depending [clears throat] on the occupants per unit. That also would increase uh traffic on the access road. We live on ridge in and out of ridge. it's hard to get out and having that access from that additional uh apartments behind the townhouse. Imagine a parking lot similar to that of Friday with 23 and up to 29 parking spaces except this parking lot would be bordering family homes with people where people in the parking lot would be coming and going at all hours depending on their personal schedules. This phase of the project is not consistent with the history and character of na the neighborhood and would involve stripping the land of street trees and nature. It would also affect the privacy as was mentioned of neighboring [snorts] homes and a six-foot fence would not block that. Um, I personally would be very sad to feel that in the future I would need to move from Glenn's Falls due to overcrowding in our neighborhood as we are retirement age. My request to this board is that you see us as valuable homeowners and taxpayers

who love Glenn's Falls and love the neighbor we have neighborhood we have chosen to live in. And I ask you not to approve the plan as proposed with the construction of that large townhouse structure and parking lot in this interior lot which is behind our homes. I am 100% in favor of the plan to restore the beauty of the original house at 196 Ridge and I do think truly believe Mr. Snyder will be successful in restoring Thank you.

Good afternoon, members of the board. My name is Jeffrey Bul. I'm a resident of 200 Ridge. Um, I'm here tonight to express the significant concerns of many residents regarding proposed apartment complex at 196 Ridge. So, Yeah, it's pretty tough. Thanks. Um, hear me now. Um, to express significant concerns of many residents regarding the proposed apartment complex at 196 Ridge Street at the corner of Ridge and William. We understand the need for housing in our town and we believe that this particular development in this specific location presents serious challenges for our established single family neighborhoods and frankly might not align with the vision Glenn's Falls has has for its future. The size and scope of this project also raises significant concerns about the traffic congestion and public safety in our small residential area. The intersection of Ridge and William and Ridgen Dicks are both extremely busy if this influx of residents and vehicles will undoubtedly experate the problem. We also concur concerned with the possibility of vehicles looking to get around the congestion and by cutting through the development or the wrong way down volume. I want to add that I have no ill will. We have no ill towards the developer family or the company. Um I think it was actually Dan or your father came out the first night of uh snowing in December and offered to help out. Huge huge nice great people. So nothing against that. Um just not what I imagined when I moved to Glenn Falls and love that area. These trees aren't falling down. They're not dead in the summer. They grow with tons of leaves. Ask me how many leaves I pulled out of my backyard just this fall. They're doing a great job. um definitely what we need, but it's just too much for that area. Um and not what I envisioned when I had coming here and living here and moving. Um thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

Good evening. My name is Patricia Tadich. I live at 11 Lton Avenue in Glenn Falls. I'm 45 years of professional planning experience. I'm a retired director of Warren County Planning of 35 years and I'm a member of the Glenn Falls Consolidated Plan Committee. I'd like to point out first of all that the city of Glenn's Falls requested and was awarded $155,000 from the department of state smart growth program to do a new and updated comprehensive plan land use regulations and design review guidelines. The case for that was the fact that our current plan is 25 plus years old and does not meet the needs issues or protect the or protect the character of neighborhoods and the character of the community or for that matter does not allow for appropriate growth in appropriate places. the project as identified uh can fit into discussions that we've had at the at the U growth committee and I on the plan committee and Tom Land Tom Tom Landry also serves on that committee and has participated in discussions about this and we've had many discussions about the protection excuse me of traditional residential neighborhoods in the city and this block of the where the project is proposed post is exactly that there are 12 structures on that in on the entire block. The US census from 2020 indicates that there are primarily homeowners in that block with perhaps a rental unit there. It has already been mentioned that there are 12 units going on the on this particular project with 40 to 45 people and there's also the the remainder of those people in that black

block number 38. So you can see that we're doubling we're doubling the density in that particular block. Some of the issues that I wanted to focus on have been covered by somebody else, but I just wanted to reemphasize the density issue was which was a big one. But I want to talk about open space because open space is critical and will be critical in the new plan and in the new regulations. There's little to no uh open space in that particular uh project for somebody to go outside and take advantage I'm sorry. Okay. they would have to go to the park on the count corner of Hunter and Cooper Street. So, I would say that that's a a critical issue and I would ask that the planning board exercise their rights under site plan review to either modify or deny this project. Thank you. Hi, I'm Steve Hibbert. I live Kitty Corner to the project at 191 Rich Street. Um, there's been a lot of discussion about the spec specifics of this project, but if we go back to the most basic level, I think it would be hard to find anyone who lives in Glunt Halls or anyone who cares about the future of Blunts Falls who thinks another complex apartment complex is a good idea, especially if it is one that will has the potential to diminish the character of a largely well looked after block and neighborhood. Apartment complexes are just another way for absentee landlords and developers to siphon off value from our town. They motivate resident owners to think about moving elsewhere as evidenced by many of the comments tonight. Um uh and they diminish the appeal of the city for outsiders thinking of moving here. Nobody thinks that reducing green space and putting up another parking lot

benefits a community. Granted, Rich Street is a borderline case could go either way. And there are buildings on Rich Street that are a problem, but all the folks that are here, they are the resident owners who speak who are speaking. The absentee landlords of the problem buildings are not here. And uh um I think that uh introducing another an apartment complex with another absentee owner is pushing rich feet in the wrong direction, not the right direction. Um, and that's the end of my prepared comments, but I did want to make a few observations about the earlier comments from the from the board. Um, that empty lot is not neglected. Granted, it's not groomed like a golf course, but it's a natural green space. And if branches fall off trees and stay there, that's good for the environment. It's good for little animals. It's good for the trees above. Um, that that that space has been appreciated by everybody who lives near it and drives by it. and um it's been implied we have to put up with the apartment complex in order to have the the front cleaned up and looked after. I don't think that that should be the case. I think that um if anything the apartment complex is likely to throw many of the other adjoining owner operated well looked after buildings into a greater state of disrepair if some of those people choose to move out. Um if there were uh we could tackle other regulations and say, you know, no dead cars on the street, no old sofas on the sidewalk, that's what will clean up that house. We don't need to put in an apartment complex to have that. And this is strongly my opinion, but um uh the renovation and the addition to the uh front rich street facade, I don't think it's a a quality project. I think it's all proportioned wrong and and done

on the cheap and and uh that's why I hope that you'll put off consideration of this project and and modify it significantly. Thank you. Anyone else?

Hi, good evening everyone. Thanks again for letting me speak. I'm Judy Caligger. I live at 11 Lton Avenue. I'm the former commissioner of the state of New York for housing. did a lot of affordable housing projects here in Glenn Falls. This is not affordable housing, just so you know. Not even sure it's familyfriendly. Uh if we were going to do that, maybe we get it down to 15 parking spaces instead of 23 because I don't think those kids will have cars. Anyways, um I would love to see this historic property restored and for more people living on that corner. I think that if there is going to be uh units there, additional units built, new construction, town houses, that they should be facing Williams Street and not the rear of the existing building. Not sure I'd want to be living there and looking at that. Also, I'm not crazy about an access road going through there and adding additional drive onto William Street. I think it's going to cause a lot of traffic issues. Um, I also think that the plans for the project because they involve construction that will be completed in multiple phases in more than one year and include this addition of the second building with multiple residential units on it that it's really the requirement of this planning board to ask for a seeker long form to be completed. If you go through the state's rules and you look specifically at the additional building, multiple residential units, it's not consistent with community character. The the new addition is not consistent with the community character and certainly not on that block. I think it's required to have a long form. Also, I think the part two impact assessment form on short form

should be completed. I also recommend that the traffic evaluation report that was submitted be updated or corrected. From the report, it's not clear that the engineer fully comprehended that an access road is planned to be built in the middle of the property and linking traffic from Rich Street to William Street. Also, it's not clear the engineer had the appropriate information about unit size and number of parking spaces as the evaluation estimates that only six vehicle trips will enter or exit the property daily. This is highly unlikely given that 40 to 45 individuals will likely reside on the property and have at least 23 parking spaces. Uh the evaluation also fails to report the expected number of visitors and services, vehicles, and other vehicles that will pass through the access road daily. And so I would ask that that traffic evaluation report either be updated or a full and accurate traffic study be done. Um it's also been reported at several meetings that asbestous was found at the property and either removed or remediated. Uh the immediate neighbors uh next door to this property were never contacted by Snider's Drywall about this and I understand there's a report and maybe somehow they will miraculously get it but I think that the neighbors next door to this should have access that to that asbestous report and find out uh if their homes or their properties I'm cut off

30 seconds. Oh, I've got 30 seconds. All right. Thank you. Why don't I end there? Thank you all.

Um, my name is Ellen Vanok and I live at 11 Vanderhaven Street. Okay, sorry. I just want to address, I don't know why this bugs me, but the parking lot in the middle of the block. Um, right now when I look out my bedroom window, I see the green space. It's beautiful. The trees, especially in the summer and spring, are beautiful. Even now with no leaves, it's still beautiful. And by putting in I think it was 23 spaces now. That's a pretty bigiz parking lot for the middle of the interior of the park. that I don't get into the ventilation. Exactly. It's been said a couple times. It's been

29 to 23 is what we heard.

Okay. So 23 is still significant which includes lighting which I understand from the last meeting that it was proposed for some Ballard style lighting which are shorter still be able to see those from the bedroom windows. And is it adequate enough and safe enough to have that style lighting with people in the parking lot? Are they going to require pole lights that are going to shine in my bedroom window at night? This is a big concern. Um, sorry. And I think I wanted to just say, I'm not addressing anybody specifically, but somebody mentioned before that if somebody were to purchase that property privately that they could cut down as many trees as they want. However, I don't imagine they would be putting 23 parking spaces in the middle of the block. So, that's what I have to say about that. Thank you. Hi, my name is Shrader 206 Ridge and I would like to call into question the veracity and the numbers generated by the traffic statement that's attached to the application. Um, I have a 85page summary published by the Department of Transportation, US Department of Transportation, um, Federal Highway Administration. It's it breaks down by demographics across the United States, by type of household, the number of cars in a household, the number of trips

those cars that belong to those doiciles, where they go, how many times an a year, month, week and daily they make and where they go. Commuting to and from work, church, grocery stores, [clears throat] um you name it. Public events, etc. And the numbers that this reports, it's 85 pages long. It can put you to come closer to the mic,

but the numbers the numbers are far higher than the numbers indicated in 94. It's it and they even say they can generate um

Thank you. how many occupants in those vehicles. And it breaks it down by demographically, like I said, age, household income, uh, male, female, and by automobile. how many occupants in each type of vehicle, SUVs, vans, motorcycles, etc. And the numbers that the report generates are in the area of 3 and 1/2 to 4 and 1/2 per average vehicle uh per day

30 seconds and it seems to be pardon 30 seconds. Okay. Well, I'm pretty much through the this people in this group asked me to send me an email and ask to give them notice.

Okay. Well, what I'm saying is this report, it's 85 pages long and it's generated by the Department of Transportation and it it calls into question those numbers in that traffic study. Thank you. No one else is going to share. Good evening, Chairman Beldin and other members of the planning board. My name is David Cook. I live at 202 Ridge Street. Thank you for your patience in hearing our concerns, our questions this evening. As you can see, we're passionate about these concerns, but we want to be respectful and considerate to the applicant and all concerned while we seek for a compromise that would be a winwin. We wish the success of Mr. Schneider and Schneider drywall along with the success of us neighbors. As the board deliberates on a decision to table, disapprove, or approve this proposed project, I'm encouraging the board to consider not only what is permissible, but what is advisable for the city in keeping with the comprehensive plan intentions in the neighborhood. We have over 200 signatures supporting our belief that the most advisable solution is to have the successful compromise that keeps the front house project only and keeps the green space in the back rear without the townhouse addition. That would be win-win to keep both those things. At the very least, we would request the board to table this project so we can review the requested studies and reports

like the city engineer report that just we just heard about a couple uh hours ago. The thing making Glenn's Falls the hometown USA and just last week US News and World Report article claimed that Glenn's Falls is the seventh most desirable place to live in New York State. It's not overdeveloping areas or forcing a structure like the townhouse into a green space where it is not a fit that would forever change the character and the history. Those kind of things would reduce the appeal and charm for people to be attracted to live here, stay here, or visit as tourists. So, as the public comment uh was mentioned earlier, what hasn't been answered yet is a compromise that would keep the front house the way it is or the renovations and yet keep the green space in the back. And we have offered to purchase the green space from the family if we can work out the terms for that. So, we're looking for compromise and want to thank you for your time and consideration. I I think what we saw which is nice is that most of the comments were pretty balanced. that people recognize that this parcel needs to be redeveloped. Um I think

so the comments that we heard were pretty balanced for the most part. Um the neighbors recognize that the parcel needs to be redeveloped. You know, obviously they want less, but the point is that this could hold a total of 19 units and what's proposed is 12, which is significantly less than than fully developed. and and we don't see that a lot. But I think what the neighbors are missing is that they're on the boundary of a zone zone line and especially one couple that both spoke said they moved here a year ago and they obviously didn't look at the Glennville zoning and make themselves familiar with it. But this area of Rich Street along the corner on Dicks and Williams is a multifamily RM zone which encourages multif family development. The area behind it on Williams as I mentioned when we got started is a two family zone. So, in terms of the character, this is a different character because it's a different zone and and it's on the arterial and that's where it's supposed to be. Um, Judy misspoke when she said that there was six strips a day and six trips was was the peak hour. Um, this is not a big traffic generator with with 12 units and that traffic study was done by very wellrespected traffic engineer and all that we with all the time.

Yeah. Sorry. Um, but this project is a compromise because this is not proposed as at maximum density or even close to that. It's going to improve everyone's property value because it's going to be very nice development. And I think ultimately these people are going to be their neighbors, the families that are in these units and and they're going to see that this is a pretty measured development for this part of the city that needs to be redeveloped. So, we're asking you to approve it. Thank you. Mr. I classified this as an unlisted action under secret. Do you agree with me? I I I I do. Someone public comment was that it should be a type one form. So this is not a type one action and this is unlisted as unlisted.

I looked at that and I agree with you. This is an unlisted action. What about the compromise? This is a compromise because it's 12 units instead of selling. No. No. They bought this to redevelop it. a a as a multif family project because this is the zone that allows that. Thank you.

Uh with respect to seekers, I would classify this action as an unlisted action. The applicant has provided the part one uh short environmental assessment form which is required. Uh the board has to review the part two impact assessment. Number one, will the regulation action create a material conflict with an adopted land use plan or zoning regulation? No. Will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of the use of land? No. Or small impact. Small impact. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community?

No. a small impact. Now that the board has to speak up, please will the proposed action have an impact on environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of a critical environmental area? No. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, parking or walkway? No. Will the proposed action create an increase in use of energy if it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? No. No. Will the proposed action impact existing public private water supplies?

No. No. Public private wastewater treatment utilities? No. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the important historic, archaeological, architectural, or aesthetic resources? [clears throat] No. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change to natural resources such as wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora, or fauna? No. Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, drainage problems? No. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? No.

No. Based upon the board's review of the part two assessment, the board uh could issue a negative declaration. We need to seek your vote. I'd like to make a motion to house planning board by accept agency status for 196 street owner of property located at 196 street. The board has determined the action to be unlisted. Yes. synonymous action has moved the short form environmental assessment form upon documentation discussion issued negative second. All in favor?

Oh, yeah. Yes. I got I got a question on the secret um worship. We were asking the board um as far as like adverse drainage impacts and things like that. And I'm assuming that there's going to be contingencies put in there as a city.

Correct. Yes. So that's right. It's just for seeker not the site that with respect to the board making a motion I want to point out that the city engineer did issue a report today.

Um the city engineer did issue a report this afternoon and it includes seven items, some of which are standard because they're construction level site plan to be stamped by a PE or RLA. Those are all industry standard, but the applicant is willing to comply with um the seven request of the city engineer. Yes.

So that would be part of you approve it. It's part of the also from uh William the city at the city. Are you okay with scoping the name? Yes. So that's another condition. That's all.

I'd like to make a motion that the false board site plan review hereby approved for the project identified as 196 Street GLC commonly known as 196 Street as presented in the meeting December 3rd 2025 with all seven items outlined by the city engineer are performed by the maintenance. Uh second that motion it Mr. Landry. Yes.

Yes. So site plan passed. I'd like to make a motion that the house planning board acting as a board of architectural review here by grant architectural approval for project identified as 196 street GF by LC um located at 196 Streets as presented at the meeting of December 7 December 3rd 2020. Second motion lady. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. No. Motion passed. Thank you everybody.

Thank you. Don't start. Next order of business. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Next, next order business. shortterm

district to the city of Glboro Zoning Code Chapter 220-30.

Thank you. Casey Scoville. I live at Enbridge Street, Glenn Wells, New York. It's It's 35 dicks, but I I I'm here for them. Yes. You're not. Okay. So, continuation of the story until correct. Do you have any issues with none? Great neighbors with you guys. Great good with the neighbors.

Great with the neighbors. The neighbor's son actually plows the driveway. So, and the other neighbor is one of my best friends aunt. So, they they've got direct lines of access to me and Candace is um assisting in caring for the property as well. So, Yeah.

Okay. as well. So, um when the notes that are listed inside the unit should should say 911 for emergency. Correct. General information at any time the fact that they have emergency. Okay. We can update that. It it is also listed in the um the listing for emergencies. Dial 911 and contact me for certainly we can update that

emergency. Okay.

Okay. Yes. Thank you. No, we have cameras on the property. So any things that are happening in addition to um you know off the property like we've had people run through the property we you know we deal with that.

Yeah, we're not familiar with the properties. Um I don't have any issues. We share we share cleanup and mowing of the part that's goes along the bike trail um with the city. So sometimes they don't have to mow because we've already done it. We did it to approve to make a motion planning board approve short-term to go through clause. Second favor,

thank you. I like the name, too. And just so you guys know, all my units are back for regular rental. No more Airbnb for me.

All right. Site plan review SB25-0026 Katie Foster this tax map number 309.28-2-6 28-2-6 commonly known as 46 South Street seeking to open a wine and whiskey bar in a baking commercial space on ground floor pursuant to the city of Gunsville zoning code chapter 220-9 C and five requires site review

I'm William Digman owner of the proposed premises as well as Katie Foster 5050 split partnership All right. Whiskey bar.

Right now, the building is zoned just as broadly commercial use. So, we're asking to have it zoned as restaurant. Um, we have a space that's 2600 ft². It'll have capacity of 70 media total of 70 max um patron. Um, and then it'll be a more luxury, high-end wine bar that'll be kind of catered toward um, well, obviously, of course, food. It'll be a bar and restaurant. Um, it'll be a full kitchen, full menu. Um, but not a late night, more geared toward early evenings, close at 10:00, 7 days a week. Um, quieter scene. Hopefully, that's what we're looking for. Um, as having toured that building and stood in that site, I think it's it's going to be a great site. Um, normally I can answer some of these questions that we normally ask all sort of following coming out of that building going. So, a lot of the stuff that they renovate that whole thing. I'm trying to

normally stuff that we would all ask has already been taken care of cuz that building's under renovation right now and I recently just screwed that and actually visualized it all. Yeah. All new like uh fire water system as well as all new um hood system. Um the kitchen will be independently um on a fire. Yes. Exactly. Yes. Yes. where the taxi. Yes. Yes. I struggle to remember what I don't and it's going to be so beautiful. Where will the exhaust for the kitchen? It's on the exterior building on Elm Street. Um there's the window front. It'll be right behind the window front, but it's the first floor. Right. First floor.

Street level. Not street level. It'll be So I think there's 12t ceilings. So it'll be Yeah. Above the sidewalk. Above the sidewalk. Yes. Like from Denver sort of. It'll be higher. Yeah, but then the end of the corner as well. So, not really like in the walking. There's no walkway. No, it'll be the doorway into our back entryway where the dumpsters will live. So, which and yes, the dumpsters will live inside. There's an access double door. Yeah. So, be right inside covers. You guys aren't going to have any outdoor garages?

No. This work, Jeff? No. Sounds good. Sounds good. Thank you.

You can already see the dog spot. This is just looking great. This is a really nice addition. I think it looks great. So 79 or so behind second bar. So, so the second exit where is the second because it looks like a closet.

No, that will be it. That'll be the coat closet when you first walk in that door. But the second exit is actually a double door through if you onto Yeah. onto Elm Street on that on the side of Elm Street. The double door.

I mean, yes, but it's a big area. It's all one level. So official definitely something can't married. So the thing is immediately that's going to be the issue. I would I would sit down with fire sooner than later try to figure that out.

Okay. I said location again in a year or two streets coming over. We're excited to be part of that. Very excited.

Yeah, I have no concerns. I think it's, you know, as long as code is met, which you're not going to get a permit until it is anyway. You guys meet code. I think it's be really nice to have an upscale establishment there. It's adding to what's already there's another place. All right. Absolutely. [snorts] Okay.

Yeah, we already talked you correct me any issues with No, I um with respect to seeker, I would classify this as a type two action. No further actions required with public comment on this. Anyone like to comment on this like comation? Sorry about that. No, that's I was I was coming up to to make sure we had skipped that. There's no public comment on this. Thank you. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. Hereby grant site plan approval for project identifying of the tax map street.

All in favor? Good luck. Thank you. Site plan review SB25-000027's area center owner of tax map number 309.7-13-7.2 two county 60 m street represented by prime construction are seeking to construct a 2650T addition to the existing building pursuant to the city of Glville zoning code chapter 220-17 district require site plan review of approval and architectural

oh architectural building area use center we will do these at the same time owner tax map number 309.7-1 180-7.2 Calo 60 Mont Palm Street represented by prime construction are seeking construction 2650 addition to the existing building pursuit of the city of Glow zoning code chapter 220-7. This require architecture review. Hey, my name is Tony Don with Cap Architecture. Director Molly's here for the youth center. I'm going to try and walk over here if I'm not loud enough. Seems like it's not not so bad. Um, so this project basically takes in the existing building here. Main Street and we're doing an addition over here and these are basically for the neighborhood youth that come out of school. They come here after class. uh they stay home work and then obviously on weekends too the lot come all the way over here. This is all grass. Uh we're going from about 60% grass to 55. So it's not a big difference in what we're doing. This is uh an open area where we'll be moving weight room weights in air forward here that they can use it for more the uh the smaller kids say the larger kids can come to this side. Uh there will be a little bit of a storage area that keep stuff outside in the morning, but otherwise it'll stay very similar. We'll also be changing to handicap uh toilets. This is a quick perspective. We're using

hardware siding. This is now mainly brown tones. We're keeping with that. So this is existing and this is the addition. So it will be about 6 ft longer than the original building and it was about 40%.

Um so I was looking at it online actually it looked like that panel in the front was bright bright white but I see no the one one yeah it's it's beige. It's beige. Yes. As long as Yeah. and it seemed to look right to me and I was like, "Let me grab all these colors that you can match to the existing building." Um, so it was it would is that's what you're doing. You're matching. We're bring the same color as the first time, but it's a beige hard. Um, yeah, it's a nice it's a good quality material. It'll wear well. It's not vinyl.

Yeah. I mean, and I assume then that you're going to be submitting site plan with whatever is required from a storm water point of view because you're expanding and you're going to need that with with the uh the amount of air you actually can contain with the rest. Yeah, your site is big, right? Just making sure all the documents are in place. And then I I think I saw something in there about the number of parking was perhaps less than what the area would have required by code.

However, the kids aren't driving to this facility. It's primarily staff as I understand it or the ones who get dropped off by parents, right? That's I mean, they have like a 14 car parking lot now, right? And obviously the kids after school aren't driving there. and and I'm familiar with this and they show up on their bikes and I think it's I think it's a really good expansion for a very needed program and that program as well. So it's a nice building between your commercial residential.

You're happy with I have no concerns. I think everybody did fans. We wanted to push the water. will be towards the back.

So if we've got a single slope, a lot of stuff work. So it'll back it slow back to the back and then you can move the wall. What about match?

We have um we're not keep With respect to seeker, I would classify this as a type 2 action under SE section 6175C9 as it's construction or expansion of a primary or accessory nonresidential structural or facility involving less than 4,000 square ft of floor area. This project says it's only 3,000.

Yes. And it does not involve a change in zoning or use variance and it's consistent with land use. So no further action required. I'd like to make a motion that actual insight hereby architectural site project. Oh, public comment. I'm sorry. It's all right. It's all right. Any public comment on this? Anyone from the public would like to comment?

Thank you. I got you. It's why I'm here. I'd like to make a motion board of the board of architectural site review here by grant architectural insight appro identified as a false area center commonly known as 16 street as presented at the meeting of December 3rd. Second that motion. All in favor? Thank you guys so much. Thank you.

A couple of treads review SP25-0028 letters LLC tax-37 set up 188 Street are seeking to construct performance permanent performance states to replace existing temporary canvas performance stains that already exist on the property pursuant to the city of Los Road chapter 320-20. This requires site plan review approved. Architectural St. AR25-000014 Leonard Kooper Lawrence LLC owners of tax map number 3037-13-17 commonly known as 188 Maple Street. Our CPU construct a permanent performance stage to replace existing temporary canvas performance stage that already exists on the property pursuant to city of Lunville zoning code chapter 220-20e this require architecture review approved Mr. Good evening for your regulars. Uh Ethan Hall, principal of Hall Architecture here tonight with Eric Hunov. Um so you you've got two or three parts going on here. All right. Um the first application is for this lot which is on Maple Street. Uh Eric owns this lot, this lot, this lot, the shirt factory, and the lot across the street. Um, we had to do these two lots together because they're split by current lane.

And that's the next application which are here. This application is for the performance stage which is behind this building at 188 uh Maple Street. This is the existing site plan that shows where the existing stage is now.

It's going to the same spot pretty much. We actually had to move it back a little bit because the existing stage is kind of straddles the the the property line. Uh we did have to get some zoning variances for this one. We've been to the zoning board and they've granted us the the zoning area variances that we needed. And so this is the location where the pavilion where the covered stage is going to go. Um basically it replaces the the unit that's there now which is kind of a temporary campus structure. Um this would be a permanent structure. Again, all of these things that you're going to hear tonight are the reutilization of the

the old the old South Street. Correct. They're all stacked up right now, right? Um if you have a building plan and an open section that is part of the passage, but basically that's it right there. Um here we're utilizing one section of the old to create this. Is it about the same size? Um it's a little bit wider. and and a little bit deeper.

This is 18 by 30. 30. That's what the truss is. Um I think what are we doing on the the ground? Uh pouring a concrete slab. Um yeah, I think eventually we got to slab. Yeah, this one we've got we got to call out the slab right at the outside so that it'll be even with the outside ease of the building. It'll be that

is it raised the stage. It's it's the slope is naturally raised if you're if you're back where that's going probably about 2 3 foot higher than the ground seeing area. So, and that's just the way it is now. I'm not changing the gra. The first the first drawing in your package was one that was provided to the building board. They asked us to put in some spot grades. And you can see on here the spot grades. This whole um lot here is shaped like a window. There's a high high spot here, high spot back here, high spot along neighbor's property, and high spot at the building. And everything in the middle is low. So all of this drains the storm. This there's another uh sheet attack. This whole area was was brought down. actual.

Um, can you provide us with a little bit of drawing one type of all that stuff on there? It's on there. It's in It's in the package that we did. It's It's the old It's a vision engineering drawing. It's in that It's in that package. That was part of the original Rock House Rock House moved over there. That was part of what was done on rock and roll. It should be the last one. Yeah, the one you got right there.

Yeah, there's a dry. No, I think the water issue out there is not issue. So, we've been over this on many different things. Yeah. Yeah. And at the moment, you have any comments? No. I I think you've got a lot of good ideas, but mentally I'm trying to determine, do you have a cohesive plan how this is all going to fit together? Yeah. Yeah. So you'll see in the next your next application that that we kind of tie the rest.

All right. That's what I'm looking for. The idea individually all these ideas are great. I'm just trying to because they're because they're on separate lots. We have to deal with them as separate. Are we doing these consecutively tonight? Yes.

Yeah. So just just to give you a preview, this is two two sections of the farmers market. We replace that camping stage with this one section of farmers market. So you know the only difference here was that temporary piece was a little bit was closer to this lot line which move the bag off a lot more.

So you're going to use the other part for seating. So that's your next this was the part last. So there's that section. So there's two sections of the pavilion, two sections of the pavilion, one section of five sections of the pavilion back here, etc. as a maintenance storage shed. So all the manual snow piles work prop all the stuff that's you know ugly gets stored in here. This gets all regraded with with storm drains. Um, you know, so that you know, we just kind of clean on everything and you know entire are there going to be sides. Are you going to do

so? This is actually fantastic. Yeah. And obviously we don't really have we had when we got this right there was problems and this was from here across the street back here. and we regraded everything. Actually, we put these sidewalks in to keep the storm water off the street because there's no the city doesn't have any storm water. So we're deal. So I guess I think Mr. Sh.

Yeah. dry. So, so the uh which Yeah, the one that's right here is another thing to keep in mind. This whole space is 4 ft deep. So, that is the that is almost like a surface. The only time next to this Is that going to take you to make that stone?

That's already and that that Eric and I did talk about don't come and say it's like probably you know in March we were big on it. So, we were we were talking about putting the second drywall here to take to take the rest of the water to just be able to before it gets to the equalizer. But but even even then usually the worst that happens to the edge

where this this dip here almost I think was late back

any anyone This matter for this application was referred to the Warren County Planning Department by the department on November 19th and they have issued the following. The Warren County Planning Department finds that the proposed action has no significant intercount or commute countywide impacts. signed by Sarah earlier number 19. With respect to seeker, I would classify this as a type two action. Therefore, no further action is required. I'd like to make amends boarding architectural lands here by architectural approval for the project identify as

I did I said it's a type I didn't do that no I said I classified it as a type two therefore no further action required I said it after I said the war as presented at the meeting of December 3rd, 2025. I motion. All in favor? Great. We're not going to go too far.

Well, you guys. All right. Site plan review. Architecture review. Site plan review 25-0029. Current lane LLC. owners of tax map number 303.17-13-8 commonly known as 18 through 26 current lane are seeking to construct a permanent covered pavilion replace the existing temporary canvas pavilion on the property. The applicant is also seeking to construct a new closed maintenance building for use by the shirt factory and adjacent properties. The applicant is also seeking to construct a new permanent toilet facility on the property as well. Pursuant to the city of Glville zoning code chapter 220-20B this requires safety link review and approval architectural review AR25-000015 current lane LLC owners of tax map number 303.17-13-8 commonly known as 18 through 26 current Lane are seeking to construct a permanent cover pavilion to replace exist existing temporary canvas pavilion on the property. The applicant is also seeking to construct a new enclosed maintenance building for use by the shirt factory and adjacent properties. The applicant is seeking to construct a new permanent toilet facility on the property as well. Pursuant to the city of Glville zoning code chapter 220-20, this require architecture review and approval.

Good evening. I promise I won't bother you again this year.

Okay. So, the the covered pavilion is right in front of the stage. As Eric had said before, this pavilion is exactly the same as the pavilion that we got approved at the November meeting. Um, again, we're using utilizing two sections of the former uh South Street Pavilion there. This the the um maintenance building is across the street. This is immediately behind. So, this is Glenn's Hall's Produce right here. This is Glenn Hall's Produce's loading docks back here. Uh, currently a lot of Eric's equipment is sitting out here. There are a couple of containers here. There is one container across uh on Leonard that faces Leonard Street. The intention here is to this will be the enclosed building, Jack. Um, that that we've got right here. Uh, we'll utilize two sections of the old pavilion here and three sections of it here. That will use up everything that we've got. And then the corner where the two pieces come together will be the office space, the heated office space garage for the garage. There will be an overhead door for access to get in here and an overhead door to get in on this side. This is going to be a little bit taller building the actual building. This see you see the size of the building. The overhead door here, overhead door, and this is the office itself inside.

Do you know how many square feet that is? I'm sorry. And then 54 by 32 and then 36 by about 1,800 in the big four and then about another,000. So probably 2500. So it's less than 4,000. Oh yeah.

And then these are the ends of the building. Again, this is the one. This is the end that faces um Leonard Street. This is the side facing back into this backing. Again, we made this portion significantly higher so that we can get a 14T overhead. Um he's got he has a loader has a facility loader which is there cab on it. We wanted to have anything that we can get anything over the road 14 ft is your maximum load. So we put a 14T and move everything up so we can get if we need to get a tractor trailer in there or a D truck. So that's those two pieces. The last piece is the toilet facility. That's this this building here. This is an old portion of the rail sign. This is not coming up for county downs down there. This is cave however and and it's a it is a walking path goes through here. It is utilized by the people at at church factory. What we're trying to do here is to build a permanent toilet facility. um water and sewer in the permanent facility into town,

right? And this this mainly is so that during events that are going on that they don't have to hire a bunch of things like that. This will be a permanent facility. This this is a stick built building you have that the front faces the asphalt walking path itself. So will that be? Yeah. You know, it's

shut down. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, basically, this is this is the front side that faces the bike path. We've got an entry that comes in. We've got the women's side, men's side, and then family restroom here, and then the utility facing back. It's going to have a walk, that kind of stuff. kind of slab on walls. Um and then there's a trust roof. We do have over build in the front water. Other than that three so three fixtures on each side plus the family. Correct.

How does that compare to the number of quarter fries you usually have to I don't usually so I don't usually bring but the problem is is you know you have people facilities, right? It's kind of like, you know, we're getting what we can do. It is a great be a great addition. There's more. So, will you continue to use the facilities both in the building and

Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. We can still use that. It's just this is this is to kind of take some of the uh pressure off of those facilities cuz what what happens is is like depending on the night you know we might have a line of like you know 6 8 10 people a big bathroom and it's just like wow you know that you guys know something about that.

If you look at the plumbing code for [clears throat] an for an assembly space which technically I mean this is an outdoor so it's not really an assembly space but for something like this it's it's um for toilets it it is 175 people per fixture. So, three fixtures on each side. A total of six fixtures times 175. That's a lot of people. Yeah. Roughly. And And actually, it's 77. Also have the other lighting on all these buildings. You going to have lighting on? Yes.

Yeah. Everything will be walnut down. the the ones on this this will probably just have fixtures at the entryway up under up underneath. But the events take over by dark. Oh yeah, that's over. So I mean the only time that you have a little bit of dark is my last couple. So usually it's getting darker around 7:30. So do you use a lot of stuff?

Do you have some kind of security or cameras on there because there's been some business people that have got cameras uh out more. We will be putting cameras out on this building on that maint [snorts]

I'm just saying to protect your investment to spend and you know wood we haven't really had too many problems. That's the issue downtown. But you know, we certainly are certain people. Well, it's about building.

Yeah. So, I mean people building itself before you came back. You go on this on this walking area. Yeah. And and this is all this this isn't this isn't wood the wood start there's there's existing volume from a basic I mean building

I mean you know put something there I think the last thing you want is a dark section of Yeah. Right. On either side. Well, we got we've got this series here for our animal pres.

Yeah. I knew I mean actually with you know with a light here put something like that. So, where's the Can you just point out for us the curb cut that you will be using to access the main utility? The curbs are there. There is

actually is no sidewalk on either side. It's just it's basically dirt to the road. Will you then be defining the edges at all? Because I know there's the loading dock for So that's across there. I'm just

Yeah. So right right now the opening this is this is all completely open across here and there's an opening here. So this is this is the travel path from currently from Leonard Street. The trucks can't come in back up here and then you go out this way out this way. This currently is all gravel and and it's the intent of putting a couple of drywalls here to capt and get some additional drainage down into the ground there and then we'll be able to pave that section and not have to worry about the trucks turning on. I mean and what what the plan is here too once we establish our elevations we're going to have to so we've got proper range. section. Um, at that point, you know, plant these containers that have the RS progress that

So, it's sort of tree at the upper part of the site there and kind of goes through there. This this area is all fairly. How much of that will you be taking down? We're not taking any viewers down. This where this is going. There's no trees. This is basically there's a there's a few trees up in here and this area here is pretty well, but this is just basically it's all right. Yeah, this Yeah, this is kind of grass area and then there's a lot of jazz. That's where the building.

Can you and then for all of us point out the proper the property line, excuse me, all the way back here. So, this is this is the one line here and then the other line is here. Yeah. So, there is there is a neighbor here. This is this is a big parcel I believe. No, this is this is around the corner right there. And then so the nearest neighbor, the nearest residential portion is that building right there. Right. Yes.

All of these need light industrial growing 50 ft on the front and double the height of the tallest building.

So yes, we had we got area. ZVA gave us all the variances at the Mr. Sorry. Yeah. Um, it's it's going to be uh it's going to be uh steel.

Uh I don't think I met this basically facility. and that's such a small building short. It's not as tall. So, what's it going to be?

Uh, it'll be a horizontal cloud board. And I don't know if we really haven't discussed it. Vinyl obviously is the cheapest, but it's probably not something that's really going to hold up a real lot. So, we probably look to some kind of an engineer at least in city hall. Sure.

Retro that whole train issue, you know. I know you got the other building you want to do. You're working on that switch to power. Yeah. So, I mean, maybe it could fit that whole team kind of cool. you know, you know, little station, you know, look or something, you know, retro, you know, they go into there's a lot of stuff going on.

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on at that site. Pretty cool. Back to the site plan. Um, forgive me because I don't know the answer. Is there a fence between your parcel and that first neighbor? No. So, we're going to have more people walking along that path to get to the bathrooms um during events. I know that they're probably used to a lot of people during events. Um, I'm wondering if we need something to delineate your development and that first along very well. That's right.

Yeah. And the back of his lot is heavily wooded. And here's the other thing too. This corner right here has a has a horse statue on it now and several pieces of split rail fence that run along the edge of this walking path. And the and the horse is the horse statue is behind it. It was a horse statue that's made out of leftover odds and ends. I don't know if you seen it. The artist is and I guess my concern is just because people now will be going there.

No, I guess on this side of the path it's pretty well. It's not it's it's wooded here and Trump has actually maintained a little bit of a green strip. So it's like stuff like that as long as and that and that path is there. Well, I know that path is there, but there's now more of a reason for people to use it. You still want to do any occasion gets used?

You're not any kind of crosswalk or anything because because your big events are down here.

So the city here. Okay. Um you know earlier this year to address the drainage of here somewhere. Um the city's going to be installing a drywall street somewhere around here. Um the sidewalk here has to do that. Um, I believe the city is going to do sidewalks on the other side. We did talk about doing crosswalks here. Um, at some place I I I don't know if they're going to do these sidewalks here all have to be redone, too. They're they're just the whole street section of sidewalk into the bike path is pretty interior. I'm and the only place I'm asking about is at the very end of your path to the new bathroom because down left which we can't see on the site plan if you were to zoom out that's where all the action is like I said during the conversation we were talking about you know improvements in terms of side you know mainly mainly from the standoint point of um making things as accessible as possible for for people because right now technically speaking it's kind of you know technically technically speaking you know the bike path doesn't

have a connection to the sidewalk on on this end or up further up where it comes on the line sidewalk ends and you have to go into the street again it's the same on this side so there's a a lot of stuff that's currently not because currently is is such a small and it's not he it is the thing in terms of that

yeah potentially potentially That's that concern. No, I like I said earlier in the year side

were there. Would anyone in the comments I like the ideas? You got multiple buildings, the bathroom and the shed. Would it make sense that the siding and stuff are kind of uniform so that there's some uniformity in the various buildings or instead of you know I'm just phrasing If uh physically if you were on the site, okay, then visually you're not really going to see you're not really depending on pretty much no matter where you are visually, you're not going to see both at the same time. view of where this is going to be. And um you know, you know, if you're over here, this view of the

the really even though they're on the same property, it's almost like two separate sites. Oh, yeah. It's I mean the trees aren't showing, you know, that there's there's greenery. It's good. Yeah, more than likely, you know,

this project was also referred to the war planning department finds that the proposed action has no significant inter community or countywide impacts signed and reviewed by the planning department Sarah Bloomberg November 19th 2025 with respect to speaker I would classify this also as a type two as it's under 4,000 square feet therefore no further action is required motion that the house plan board architecture on site plan hereby site for the project owners of the tax

a condition that they reach out to the Okay, I second the motion. All in favor? Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you very much.

I make a motion to adjourn.

Yes.