Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Uh, I'd like to welcome everybody to the March 4th, uh, 2026 West Fall City, West Falls Planning Board meeting. Um, our first order of business is the approval of the minutes. Um, Mr. Land, you have any comments on the minutes from the last meeting? No, I have. Mr. Com to make a motion that we approve the uh minutes from the last meeting. So move. All in favor? Second. Second. All in favor? Second.

All right. First thing on the agenda this evening is some old business. The site plan review SB26-007. Tina Flores, owner of tax map number 302.20-31-6, commonly known as 178 Glen Street, is seeking to convert the second vacant, second, and third floors of into four two-bedroom apartment units. Pursuant to this Glance Falls zoning code chapter 220-19 C14, this requires site plan review and approval. Is anyone here representing that? Please introduce yourself. you are team.

I am a team of four and tell us about your project here. Yes. So, um I want to um finish the second floor and third floor. Two apartments on each floor dividing it in half. Um just you know basic open floor plan with kitchen, living room, basically a bath and a half and um two bedrooms, closets, utilities for each separate and um this

is this all central heating on this is it? No, I would put um heating everything separate off. Each unit has its own heat source and air conditioning and electrical. So, you're going to have to have condensers somewhere. Um some sort of utility closets in these and some sort of way to get air in and out for the heat units. Yes. I know we have some comments here from building the codes and the fire department on as far as egress and some issues from that.

Yes. And I met with the fire department um and I also met with Philip. They came and looked through the building and it was way different than what they had bought. So in the front of my building there's a separate door and its own staircase that goes to the second floor and then another staircase to the third floor. And then in the back of the building, there's a staircase that goes from the third floor to the second floor as well. And then when I did the downstairs for my office, we're called Baker, I had taken the staircase from the second floor that came in my interior to the first floor out because at the time you could have fire escapes for your egress. So the there was a fire escape on the back of my building that take care of that.

Nina, look at this. You want to give usual? Um, I guess I would sort of between my comments and then also defer to the fire department because they're the ones who have the final say whether or not the layout needs code. You know that the zoning code for the city of Glenn Falls requires windows in the bedrooms and the building code for the international building code building code requires specifically rescue windows in all bedrooms.

Right. And we spoke of all of this and they're they're waiting for like the final design because what I was told is we can rearrange everything in each department accordingly to what we would need to do with with what they will. So I guess so my only other questions then again whether or not sprinklers would be required which they typically are. Yeah, that's still an open air question. you want to be. So, pretty much um what I said is that I need to be able to see a final plan, a final layout, um how many means of egress, how many true apartments we're looking at in order to actually give a definitive answer.

Um along with that, the biggest thing we found was means of egress. The fire code doesn't allow you to use fire escape anymore. Um existing building code does, but it has to meet very specific criteria. Um so that would be another way and that's only on the second floor. So that we're still worried about the third floor having one need to deress. Um, as you mentioned, the windows from the bedrooms leading into the hallway, not out into fresh air, as the code states. So there there's a couple things that I just I couldn't give kind of any sort of approval just because I I would need those damn plans and a finalized design to really look at it and see if you can follow the code.

Yeah. And I and I know that the residential building code does require sprinkles for third floor sleeping spaces. So um these would be things you want, right? And they brought all of this to my intention and why I had Philip and him come to my building and I am willing. We've talked I'm going to do whatever I have to do to make it what it needs to be obviously. So they'll approve it. You have windows front and back. Front and back for us. So potentially you could manipulate the plan.

They could be manipulated. Yes. And as far as the set eress, I have the front of the building there's a staircase to the second floor and one to the third floor. In the back there's one from the third floor to the second floor and vice versa. And I can drop in another set of stairs and make a doorway going in the house. So there's there's things that I can do. No matter what they want, it can happen. I guess this is what I'm going to say. And I think from our point of view, we just want to make sure that you understand.

I do. So, yeah. Thank you. I mean, I did it at first. Of course, the drawings the way you want it to be the way you want it to look, but I I have the capability of doing whatever they say I did in the day. And my other question really was um parking. Are there any I don't have my I'm where my location is. That's not required. Like even I, you know, on the building work, we're on the first floor. I I

have no other comments on this. Uh, no. Just that you know, basically check fire department codes on it. Oh, conceptually it's a good idea. Unfortunately, I think I'd like to see final plans. You can do a lot of things. Be in my mind it'd be worth it to see some final plans. Well, can I can I speak to that? Yeah.

The final plan. is why typically come this is the basic ideas and these are what has to be done but my final like that's going to cost me $10,000 to do and then have to say no. So that's why typically that's after a yes from here the plans get drawn up actual plans because we're well normally we have a lot more to go on a lot closer than where we are. I mean right now this doesn't meet code so I want to hear the comments from the rest of the board and then we'll go from there. Okay. Okay. Um um getting back to uh chairman's question about the heating units. Are they going to be on the roof?

That that I don't I'm not 100% because I do um there's two different ways I can do it. I can have it in each or on the roof and if either whatever one is best for the project I will do. So I'm open to either or. So when an architect draws everything up, I will go by whatever I was advised to do. So you're it's either going to be roof units or it's going to be in individual utility closets in each department. Correct. What about trash removal? I would pay for trash removal. Where is it? Where is it? It's in the back of my building.

Back of the building. Is it is it common for all? Is it going to be for your business and four apartments. Yeah. In my business, we throw maybe that out. Okay. Yeah. So, um I have plenty of room there for like another can. I Whatever I need, I have room to put it there. Are you anticipating a dumpster or just No, no, no. Just like the regular cans. Yeah.

Residential. Yeah, that's what I have now. Mr. Um, basically to piggy back everything that's been said, I really don't feel comfortable even commenting on this until we would see the final plans because because to me, you know, it's, you know, we could sit there and get preliminary approval and and some very serious um fire concerns brought up and, you know, I can see you get down the road and all a sudden you got to put in a $150,000 hour fire escape or something or some type of heat press. So I think normally we deal with the fact that we have a set of final plans that might have to be modified slightly but like I said

okay I that's not what I was told when I did this. I was told that this is basically, you know, this is what the intent is and then because I can't even get a permit without

the fire department and codes and all of that okay everything that the my like all those fine-tuned things would come into play at that point. That's how that's what I was told. I like that even like leaving here with a yes, they can just say, "Yeah, no, that doesn't work. You got to do this. is going to do that. And that was my understanding. That's what I planned on doing. And that's why, like I said, I had I met I met with zoning. I met with codes. I met with the fire marshal and all of that. There's a level though of construction level detail where yeah, you don't have the final things done that has a conceptual thing where we can see and we know that what's going on and then there's a final plan. We don't have any of that like this right now. This could all change and not be anywhere near what we have. And we have no exterior drawings where units are going, what what when you put in a heating system, there's going to be some part of that that's outside or a cooling system. It's either going to be on the rooftop or it's going to be mounted to the exterior of the building. Before we can approve anything, we need to see that stuff conceptually.

Okay. Um, but is this building sandwiched in between two? So, it's got to go on. So, yeah. more than they found on the island. But that's we don't this isn't the you need to get with the architect and come up with a plan that Mr. Shel

yeah just about everything I heard now. Um so on a conceptual basis yes I think we can say yes this is a good idea it's been done in our downtown buildings and and I believe nobody's against that. Um but there are certain things as far from a planning perspective that do come to our attention when we look at this and some of the things are the units irrigation units you monitor the rear wall of the building roof. Those are all things that planning boards do look at and and as far as that process goes. Um conceptually I think I would be willing to say conceptually I'm I'm approved those apartments. I think it's a good idea. Um I I see you have I would say you have portals you're going to have to finally get to get this approved um as far as standpoint. Um but I I agree with a lot what a lot of these board members have said and I think there are certain aspects of this which have to come back to the planning board. Um and those are the aspects that chair just mentioned. Okay. So for me and I think we're all kind of on the same page here is that all of us want to see this. We have no issue with the pro project going going to fruition. It's just we need to be a little bit farther along in the drawings before we can vote to approve something like this. That's one thing. I would like to see us table this and you give you come back next month with the drawings and everything where we know where we're at and and work out these details.

Okay. And I thought that's what I was doing. But that's once task done. I don't no I was told that I didn't need that much stuff to come basic the concept of what was going on. You love the concept. I like the concept.

Yeah. And I I agree with all the other comments that we need a little more in your drawings and I want to make sure that building and code and fire department is ready to sign off that you've submitted plans to them that they will approve so that we can look at it and say okay fire department's approved it city engineers approved it codes has approved it now the planning board can we don't want to be in a situation where we give site plan you and then something happens or there's miscommunication at a later date. No, and I understand that, but my understanding was is those approvals come after this approval. May I? Yeah.

So, so I think what a lot of people are asking for is we care about going to the heating system. We care about what's on the outside of the building. So, so we want to know and weigh in on if for example we wanted a split system unit on the front of the building on street. Absolutely not.

Right. For example, for example, that's sort of part of the information. Anything else that you would need to do or want to do to the outside of the building, we care about. We also know that no matter what we approve, you can't actually build it until fire department building codes. So, the middle ground is the additional information that people are looking for. You don't need completed construction documents that we don't have to pay somebody to do and then not have approval but you can talk to the person that you're working with and say all right have any address issues does that mean not have to put in an extra set of stairs what does that look like at least conceptually you can kind of know towards approving building without having to spend money Are you changing windows?

No. Yeah. Like for example, making sure that your windows are the correct address size. And if they're not, that would Well, the the other thing with my windows, my building could basically be claimed historical. I can't change them anyways, right? I have no intent to change the shape of the windows

because I don't want to mess with the architecture of the building. It's a 1800 building. And when I restored the first floor, I mean, my ceilings are original. I didn't repair. I kept everything that I could from back in the day because I want to, you know, keep mix the old with the new and I have no intention of hanging a bunch of stuff on the back of the building, you know, just to know the furnaces. I was told that I might have to get like those mini splits and put them on the roof, right? My intent all along was to do where you hang them in, you know, you have you do, but you still need something outside. Yeah.

To make those work. So, I'm saying to this that conceptually, we all we all like the project. We want to see it happen. We just need more information. We can't make a motion to approve this. It would have so many things attached to it that it's just not feasible for us to do that at this time. So, can I get a motion to to table this? I make a motion to table so that the applicant can bring in additional documents as requested by the board. Specifically, compliance with all fire codes regarding egress and or sprinkler system, compiance with building department requirements um designed relative to the heating units and trash.

Anybody have anything else to put on? Just so she has all the data that we're going to need. Maybe less of a motion thing, but I'm just sort of curious. I'm new to the board, but um I know there's existing use on the ground floor. I presume that was approved via site plan previously. I mean, so we just amending site plan, but there may be already a bit of information on this site. Yeah, it would be way before upstairs.

Yeah.

Yeah. If that's something that could be added to building the code knowledge I will ask for 10 to 12 years ago we did the first floor. So we have a motion on the Can I get a second? All in favor? So they line out the stuff that has a list of you know all the stuff they need to comply with and we look forward to seeing you next month. Okay. So I don't have to have a fullblown architectural plan to show all this stuff, but right

what I would do is work with this director building so that they desire package. We made this motion to to table, but is there anyone from the public that would like to comment on this application? Dr. Nelson,

thank you. New business Signboard Review SB26-00241 Southwestern Avenue LLC owner of tax map number 309.7-10-31 commonly known as 41 Southwestern Avenue seeking to replace a three ceiling sign with 10 square ft two-pace monument sign pursuant to the Glenn Falls zoning code chapter 80-5A. This rule requires signboard review and approval. Is there anyone here representing that? Hello everyone. My name is Matthew Phelps with AJ Science Company. I'm a project manager involved for this. Tell us about your project here.

Yeah, primarily um ADK optimometry. They're pretty much uh looking to replace the existing sign. Um we are pretty much requesting we go a little bit bigger than what code is required. Um code says six square ft um is approved. We're looking to basically put in a total of 10 square feet. Um, also in addition to that, we're looking to have a internal uh halo lit kind of back lit effect um to kind of give the uh the sign a overall nice appearance. Um, it does state by code it needs to be externally lit. So, we're wondering if maybe we could get a variance on that. Um, and that's pretty much what I'm looking at.

Um, my comments were originally thinking that you guys were in the cultural professional zone, but um, which doesn't really change you. So, you guys are looking for a slightly larger sign. square feet and then internally lighted. Um, questions I have would be how bright is this light? How many hours is it going to be on during the day? Um, I think there is a requirement that it be a certain distance from the property line. I believe that's 10 ft if I'm correct.

That's correct. Yep. Okay. Bring it in the same place. Yeah. Essentially, um the one existing is actually a little bit uh closer than that 10 ft. So, we're going to basically uh install it at that, you know, 10 ft mark from the uh the curve. Can you tell us about the lighting that you're proposing?

Sure. It's uh basically going to be uh kind of like a LED halo lit. So, um I do have kind of a night view picture. Um, I know it's probably difficult to see, but I can certainly pass this around. But basically, just the logo itself and the actual lettering that's going to kind of have like a back lit effect. So, it really won't be too bright to the, you know, neighbors nearby. Um, and I can certainly pass this around if anyone would like to see. Please. That's in our

Yeah. And that's on the right. I didn't know something. Will it be on all night? Um, I mean, it's really up to you. Um, I know the our our client would probably prefer that, but um, I do see that in the code. It's really, you know, only allowed during, I believe, business hours. So, if that's something you guys wish, we'll make sure you know it actually has a u kind of like a photo cell or a time clock. I don't have any comments. Ethan,

um I just don't necessarily know what criteria we're using to exercise on just in terms of like 6 feet, 10 ft. I don't know what um is it just personal preference that I'm going on. Well, the code for that area is six square feet for the sign. They're asking for a little variance and four square feet a little bigger. Um, no, by this it looks like the whole that includes the brick and everything. No, just the sign. Just the sign. Yeah. So, I mean I just I mean it's just Are you strictly asking for my perspective from a aesthetics or you know this is where

Yes. Strictly aesthetics. Um, I have no comment. How big is the system? Um, I can actually It's roughly about the same size. Nothing too crazy. Yeah, it's right. Yeah, I just always think in the terms of like a zoning bar, you know? certain criteria that you lay for this.

No, we're not. We're acting as the board of sign review variances regarding signs that are not co-compliant come before us. It's not a solit one of the residential science standards is they can only use three colors. says well between two zones. across the street.

Behind it, Queensberry is Queensberry is across the street. Residential houses live right behind Carlton. Carl. Yeah. I mean, this is this is a commercial building. It's been a commercial building for a long time. Long, you know, still kind of commercial. Across the street are other business.

It's behind this restaurant. Across the street business, I'm okay with this. I just wonder if you could just dim it. Keep your light.

It's actually an improvement. Yes. Because right things shine off. This is lit internally. So, it's not really casting or dispersing light anywhere else but in that sign so that when you drive by you can see it. I think an internally lit sign is better than that have the post with the light shining up at it.

I I will just say that five section uh two any signed only by external only during the hours of operation really subject to all the restrictions. So just in the time sense of doing it or not the code is that justice for res.

Um I guess it's kind of a double-sided question to me. I mean they contacted you. You looked up the zoning for that area. It said six square ft. Are you coming to us saying that this is a you know that you need 10 square feet to make it or break it for this sign to be effective? Uh primarily it was just a request of the doctor um just looking to gain a little bit more visibility from the sign or from the road driving by um and being a difference of you know four square feet they kind of fair felt that that would be a fair ask.

Okay. I guess the only other comment I have and it's a personal comment um is that to me anytime you make a variance or something like this or you make an exception you can establish a precedent. So that would be my concern. So now somebody could come in two months from now and said okay we went from 6 to 10 which was a 50% increase we want to go 15. So that's my just personal concern. I think the sign looks great. You know, the way you've got it, it's not 10 square feet. At night, it looks like it's floating. Yes. So, I guess my concern would be the just to set the president's

Mr. Yeah. Just uh to clarify, so the back light is through the white truck. Is that where is that where shining through? So, it's actually lighting up the white material. Oh, that's actually behind that. So, um, that'll be kind of solid. Um, and it's actually technically painted lettering and then it basically floats off the sign. So, looking at it, you kind of see like a halo effect around the lettering. Okay. So, they stand so in front of the material. Exactly. In front of the So, you're back lighting the back lighting the letter.

Exactly. I mean I I think that look I know the code says be extremely lighted but I think it's probably for the technology to do some of these things like that and I think halo effect probably had much less of an impact on the neighborhood. So I I agree with that. Um the only issue would be of course the sign you already see the limit there. Um do you know the size the old sign?

Um I I look back at my notes. Um I can definitely get you that. I do have kind of a secondary folder with all that information. Um, speaking without having that in front of me, we're very close. Um, the existing might be either right on the measurement of six square feet or it might be a little bit larger. I think you're um I think you're over two. Two signs. You got the sunglass underneath.

Yeah, that sign's over. And I I don't know to be perfectly honest if this is something that was grandfathered in. Um just my expertise on the sign, I'd say, you know, it's definitely been there for several years. Um I don't really know what the code was at that time.

I'll just take a moment to point the 180-13. So one of the sections provision proposed nonconforming signs. We're talking about going from six square feet to 10 and then the internal versus external. It says a proposed non-conforming sign if you determine that it would not be offensive to the aesthetic objectives of the chapter.

So I've got a question on um you know absent other criteria besides some general aesthetics um we look at the district for the R1 district. You know, you know, we're looking at preserving the character of the district. We rely on the zone code for that.

Well, Mr. I point you to I mean, we're in this um district that talks about in this particular district 180-5, it has um a set of criteria. Do you want me to just run through them? Well, actually more the intent in the the district itself, right? It doesn't specifically speak to that the intent of the district with the signos, right? I I think that's a valid consideration for the board to consider.

There's all those businesses that are around us that have been there. You know, it's kind of pre-existing thing. So, do we think this is better? almost there and we say is this okay? I think it's a benefit also moving it back. It appears to me like it's quite a bit closer to 10 ft by it. So pushing that back to the 10 ft I think also helps what you're looking for. I think closer the road is I think it distracts from so I think I think that also is a good thing back I think Ethan's point about is there something in the middle of the block that would have houses on either side of it in what everybody's familiar with is kind of a commercial zone irrespective of the actual zone there must be variances to all these years ago.

Well, they're right on the edge. They're like one end from But still, it's best.

Right. Right. Again, it's not the middle of the block of houses. I I like it. I don't think it's an infringement on anybody. I'm not a amount of person that's wrong in favor of variances. We have rules for a reason. They were established. Um it seems like we're changing something for the better here from what it was. So I mean it's up to the rest of the board on how they want to decide.

How do people feel about it being lit the back the letters only during the night? I don't mind. Yeah.

I'll say long as your purpose is just to write the background, you know, it's just just you're just backing those letters. I don't see that. Is there anyone from the public would like to comment on this? I got a quick question and I would ask it to Karen and Claudia under we again we're kind of asking for a varian exception legally are we setting oursel up for future you know because to me we're talking about something aesthetics is discretionary you know improving it for the better is discretionary you know I may think it's improved in and he may think it's terrible I mean legally are we or is it you know to me is it's like a variance we're being asked for

variance reviewing something that does not comply with the code usually on a case by case basis sorry the code does say at the very end I should read about this particular grant of any shall no event be construed as precedent for any other application so I think we're covered unless you have the exact same situation someone might have about about this setting precedent, but you know, I think you guys have discussed on the record the the reasons why this is a little bit different because of that is improving the aesthetics. Yeah, that makes sense.

And the other thing is sandwich between two other businesses that are similar and you got exactly the same thing across the street. So, it's not like it's on the the fringe where you have a residence next door. So, it is it is kind of in an area shielded by other businesses who driven to the same type professional. That's the other thing is if we do approve this the white just during business hours because the water we say 9:00 I mean

well the issue is during business hours in the summer you won't even see it right so the internal light at night that shows just the I think is totally appropriate. That's just my opinion. I don't have a problem with that being on all night pursuant to the night view as demonstrated by the if anyone disagrees up.

This is something we need to see, you know, lit up down the road. I again like I said, I don't have a problem with signing the lighting aspect of it. I don't think it's going to bo But we if we approve this as you said in the code it's first basis that we approve it. So it's not like somebody else could come in and say there's that was a different sign. Correct. I think I would caution about being on but that's totally up to I mean it's so easy and I under the same thing as I said how we don't know what it's right

there's no way for me to say what that's going to look like when it's up um but I say 10:00 but I think 9 or 10 o'clock tonight I think we could we could probably say that's that's a reasonable time period to have lit um you know so That's my opinion. Um whether you know I don't know the rest of the board. My opinion would be I'll get the state timer put on it. Um and if the board wanted to do it after we wanted to monitor come out look at it and see something that would be complete that we say 10:00 you put a timer on there. If we see it after it's all done and everything then we could always amen that you guys are looking for that.

Absolutely. Would you like to make a motion for us?

Sure. Um, I make a motion acting against the board of sign review that the board grant uh the application SB26-00241 Southwestern Avenue LLC owner of tax map number 309.7-10-31 commonly known as 41 Southwestern Avenue to replace a freestanding with a 10 square foot toothpaste monument sign which will have internal lighting with the signs to be operational during business hours until 10 p.m. at night and it will be moved 10 ft back from the street

and a sidewalk and a sidewalk. Can I ask a quick question before we vote on it? It says, "Are you proposing more than one sign?" And you can mark. What does that mean? They have a sign attached to the building. Oh, okay. Sign in district regardless of whether it's attached to the building or freestanding.

And I can add where the other secondary sign is. It's essentially where the parking lot is. It's right actually on the brick of the existing building. Non illuminated or anything. It's just really just another branding presence essentially. That's not facing the road. Can I get a second? All thank you everyone. That's not

site plan review SB26-009 Venture Fox Realy Group represented by Shane Ko listy of tax map number 302-18-14 commonly known as 71 Bay Street is seeking to open a real estate office in a currently vacant commercial space pursuant to the city of Glennwell zoning code chapter 220 S 17 C and three. This requires site plan review and approval.

Hi, I am not Shane. I'm Troy. Um Shane had the kids keep winning baseball or basketball. Um so this particular project where we're where they just hop to go in. We are doing some painting and just refreshing of the of the space really inside. would anybody from the public like to comment on this application?

Mr. Landry, you have any questions? Other than that, you're this is a running space that you guys All right. And um Do you know approximately how many people might be in there at any one time? It would be less than 10 for sure. And there's parking provided there. Uh there is some street. It says two parking spaces out front behind the building.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um and there's also two or three apartments in that building too. I think you know back I know but I know that area too he also had street just painting and fixing up the Um just one question. So the parking this isn't going to impact the parking of the residents.

I mean obviously it's typically one two people at a time. This is part of Is there like three or four build All by the same Yeah, it is. It is or was for sale of like whole quarters.

Yeah, two or three buildings. I don't know a lot of details, but I there was like maybe issues. I don't have issues. Uh, I would like to make a motion that the Blinds Falls Planning Board acting as the board of site plan review hereby grant site plan approval for the applicant for the project identified as venture possibility group uh lei of tax map 302.20-18-14 20-8-14, commonly known as 71 Bay Street, to open the real estate office currently in the current vacant commercial space pursuant to the city of Paul zoning code chapter 220-17c3. A second. All in favor? I

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sign board review SB36-003 current lane represented by Ericov owner of tax map number 303.17-13-24 county 0 Leonard Street seeking to install foursided freeing sign on property pursuant to the city of Glennwell zoning code chapter 180-6 6F. This requires sign board review and approval. Okay. So, uh that parcel is a little parcel that the uh the train bar sits on and uh basically looking to put a foursided sign kiosk uh between the tower and Leonard Street. And um it would have um one sign would be um a map of the uh Warren County Bike Trail and the other signs would be related to um the history of the property.

So that's two. We have four sides. No. So there would be a interpretive panel for the history of the tower. There would be a um interpretive panel for the U mural that was just done in relation to you know again it was history and one for kind of you know what was becoming now just wanted to recuse myself from this conversation I' worked the applicant a little bit on the project.

My memory is that tower is pretty close to the street. Um, no, it's back. I think there should be a a drawing in there as to where it is. It's back probably 20 ft. you know,

I'm okay with it. I just, you know, I just want to make sure it's far enough away from the street. Yeah. No, there's there's a pretty good there's plenty of room in front of that between the street and the tower. We have far requirements. This is the tower. The sign. Yeah, this is the sign. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're not The tower is the tower, but

um Well, let's see. Sidewalk is 4, right? 2 the sidewalk and this is going to sit back. So at least at least

I thought we just said

that's it. We have a distance 10. That's just the work. Yeah. So it looks

perhaps it might need to be pushed a little further back. I think some of that has to do with vehicular corner with

especially there somebody's riding down a bike path. I can see if someone's coming. There's a pretty as I recall here's a pretty wide strip between the street and the sidewalk. So street the sidewalk and green strip on other side of the sidewalk. So I think it's a good idea. accommodate the temp.

Um, you've given us a three-sided kiosk. Is that just like that was that's a style that's a style example and that is what Lauren County is using for the bike path. Okay. Right. This is going to be a foursided one on the same style to what Warren County is using with a little roof on it.

There's a sketch there's a sketch there somewhere, you know, basically the Yes. So, you know, from a from a standpoint of somebody using the bike path, there's there's different shaped signs based on what information they're supposed to be conveying. That three-sided sign stylewise is what is supposed to designate like an information. So that is why that style was chosen. Originally I was going to have it a three-sided uh sign for for for just my own use. And then I talked to Ethan with his Warren County planning hat and said, "Hey, does the county want to jump on here? signage or you know map of the bike trail indicated that

so the overall height is 90 that's to the top of the roof and from the ground to the top of the sign is 72 in and the sign itself we're looking for 30 square feet it say 2.5 * 4 sides area square. You wrote 30 and 12.

Is there any lighting on there? No. No lighting. It's really it's really just going to be used, you know, primarily by people using that since that's not really operable at night. I mean I think the idea is really cool history of everything there and also path. Um do you know for sure that you can't put it 10 ft back from the sidewalk?

Oh I I uh I can which which end of the sidewalk were they putting back? inside your property inside your property because we may as well start with what is being asked for in the code and then if for some reason it doesn't work right I mean um you don't have to say 12 bas in the middle so If that is drawn to scale then your sign would be you know more here. But

I mean I wanted you know basically I wanted to have the field around it you know which field is going to be papers so that it was handicap accessible all the way around so people can read it connect to the path or to the sidewalk to the sidewalk. Um That's just what I'm asking. I'm asking if there are mitigating circumstances that say you would prefer not to be 10 ft. I prefer Well, I I don't have I don't have a measurement of

right there is you can see there's a fairly large green sidewalk. I would say that green eyeball at least So, so to get to the from the street to the edge of the property line is already 10 ft, right? But without scale drawings, we're just kind of spitballing that we don't know for sure. And that is that is that is sc that is that is an actual brewing that follow of the actual survey.

Yeah. Thank you. the sign is back from the sidewalk.

Maybe you can't maybe you can't understand what you're saying. And like the vision of urban it was in the center of that 12 field. It was going to be 4 foot back. uh general zoning and planning coordinator for the city. Um we could potentially condition it that it has to meet the setback requirement of 10 ft. If he cannot meet the setback requirement of 10 ft, he will be he will need to appear.

Okay. Different because this is in the schedule of set dimensional requirements. This would be a setback which we would go to the zoning board for relief from. This is not a simple dimensional relief being sought from the

um so you're saying we can just basically put a stipulation that it must comply with the I I know the earth fairly well. I don't think I think we're only talking about a foot or two anyway. So I think we're good. And the other thing that I got to applaud you about is I'm involved with a wayf finding effort on the feeder canal system and this is a very expensive very nice you know to be in compliance with that way finding system you know this isn't three pressuret treated thing you know would put the ground this is a very nice professional ties into the system of the whole way finding the state so

you know like I This is a very credible effort that you're doing. Thank you. I have no other questions. The only question is you answer it. It's kind of a formative nature. I just want to make sure it wasn't the only thing.

I I like I think it's a good thing for the city. Um the mic back the county everybody involved. Um I think if you can get to 10 ft get over that hill. I think everybody's I'll make it work somehow. Okay. I I think as long as you can do that get the 10 ft. I don't have an issue. All right.

Yes. Was this referred to the county?

Thank you. And the speaker and I would like to make a motion acting as the board of sign review to grant the application SB36-003 current lane LLC represented by Ericoff owner of tax map number 303.17-13-24 commonly known as Leonard Street seeking to install a foursided freestanding sign on the property um pursuant to call zoning code chapter 180-6F. Um it will be a foursidedformational sign in compliance with the drawings submitted by the applicant and will be in compliance with the 10 set back.

Second. All in favor? All right. Site plan review SP26-010 James Bino tax map number 309.11-6-2 commonly known as 65 first street is seeking to operate a posted short-term rental in the R2 residential zoning district to city of Bunsville zoning code chapter 220-13D and 7. to require site plan review and approval.

Good evening. Good evening everyone. My name is James. I'm the owner of 65 Thirst Street and looking to uh apply for a host short-term rental in the other duplex. Looking to live on one side, rent it out. Short-term rental or if you rent it out longterm or short-term rental, sir. Is there anyone from the public that would like to comment on this application? Okay,

um I know just looking at uh it seemed only just looking at the drawing I brought up was looking at the impervious coverage of the lot. You know, we talked about it and didn't know if it was directly related to the action hand, but I'm just questioning whether or not it exceeded the lot coverage. Are you making any changes to the No, ma'am.

Yes. Yes.

Did you just buy it? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Has it was it operated as a short-term rental previously? Do you know? No, there's two long-term tenants in there. Okay. So, you're going to live in one side and the other side is the shortterm rental. Correct. When did you buy? Uh, it closed in December. Okay. How many um the second unit is is it two bedroom? Yes, ma'am. Two bedroom one and a half bath each.

Are you registered or you done the registration for short-term rental? Yes. Yep. Mr. Nation Karen asked question. So, no, I'm almost done.

Mr. Sh. All right. So, Mr. Sh comments on this. If you're going to use it as a short-term rental, make sure you have the notifications up there with, you know, who to call in case of emergencies and all that. you know, you got people from outside the area sometimes they don't know if this gets approved. Um, make sure all that data is up there. Your escape plans and I will also note to Mr. He has listed 911 as

a no cell. So, um, I really don't have any issues with it. Uh, be a good neighbor. You know, we have a few of those in there. I don't believe we have many problems in the city with them with short-term rentals. Um, just be a good neighbor. Biggest thing I think.

All right. They're not building. You're not doing anything, right? No. As of 2015, some And the parking there already.

Yes. Um, I would like to make a motion that Paul's planning board acting as the board of site plan review hereby grant site plan approval for the applicant James Mino SP26-010 owner of tax map number 309.11-6-2 commonly known as 65 street to operate a posted shortterm rental in the R2 residential zoning district pursuant to the city funds zoning code chapter 220-13.

I second that motion. All in favor? I thank you very much.

All right. Site plan review SP26-011. Judge Gersan lees tax number 309.28-2-6 commonly known as 54 South Street is seeking to convert a vacant commercial space into a tack style bar and restaurant pursuit to the city of Glon. Good evening. I'm John Gerson the owner. Um, I'm looking to open a bar and tap style restaurant. Um years ago I had one George looking to get back into business and uh for the record.

Is there anybody from the public that would like to comment on this application? Okay. Mr. Lad, for the record, I used to spend some time. I appreciate that. No, I look over what you're doing. I think you're going to be a great addition.

I It's a great building. It's a great location. You're definitely going to add some spice and variety to the downtown. So, Sure. I have no issues. The only thing I was concerned was hood earlier was added to the roof which was all over town a lot of problems. Yeah.

Your neighbors. That's the only time. We got some comments here from um the city engineer and water and sewer which it says the grease tractor is part of research applications. Please provide additional information which building codes allowed to do all that. I know there's another comment with um this is engineering and water and sewer with the trash and all that is that's stored inside the building. We went through that with the other tenants. Correct.

Correct. Um, your plumbing, we've done this before and the building goes on to take care of that. We What else did they have? Cooking oil storage. Are you guys going to have some sort of thing in there because you're going to have a couple restaurants in that building. So, my understanding is there's going to be storage in that common area, but I'll have to have to double check with Chris, but I believe that's that's what we spoke about when we went through the whole area.

What are your hours of operation? Um, it's going to depend on staff. Right now, it's hardest to do lunch and dinner. Uh not going to be a late night place like the previous jud. But um there is a chance if I'm given enough staff, if I can find the right people, I'm interested in also potentially doing breakfast. So that's a possibility, but right now the target is lunch and dinner. Is there space for entertainment or um there is space though? Yes. Are you planning on bringing entertainment? Yeah, small.

And you said the trash is with with your landlord. Yeah, we don't that this drawing got we got that facility on that doorway that Again, I saw those comments from the city engineer about as long as they're nominated. Yeah, trap is right. It's under right underneath that uh that garbage. So they're going to have an easy nice nice easy access to be on the train. So

you got it. I pretty much the same comments on the you know garbage. I just didn't see that there but it sounds like you're getting that resolved and then you know just a general question about loading. I know it's busy down there. If there's any consideration how that's going to work with flow downtown traffic. I mean that's going to be the only entrance that is that there's no backside to that building right up to another building. So they they will be doing their deliveries on the street maybe around the corner probably better. Yes, I haven't seen

that door. That's what the trash that did. And I thought that was the plan for the other businesses for the deliveries to be there. I don't know. There's no access to to my store from interior to correct. Correct. So I mean they can still park in that area and just wheel around. It's not it's not very far.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean from my perspective it's not necessarily a deal breaker and it's not necessarily all you know on one individual applicant for having to deal with adaptive reuse structure downtown and it's probably likely something that you know the business community the city as a whole and figure out how to manage right you know same thing goes with the parking um

and that you know that it's in a central commercial district and there's no off required But, you know, in site plan review, you still have to consider parking, right? Of course. Um, Deon let me know that this went resolved during an earlier site plan review for the entire structure. So, I'll stay out of it. Although it did raise my attention to be like, hey, you know, people what, you know, how do we keep putting parking downtown without, you know, Yeah. big, right? But if that's already been resolved, well, we'll start with where we are. Chris has made a rain for this. Thank God the way he built the building on point.

There is a few extra spots in there so that every tenant in this building gets a spot there. Plus, there's a few left over. So, that does help mitigate something. And so, there is an issue. Yeah. And again, there's certain things that the city's going to have to resolve, right? Yeah. I I can recall that Mr. did present a parking plan with the entire structure when that was approved for site plan review even with unknown commercial tenants and it was approved by the board and he did let many of his commercial tenants know that they would to an extent be on their own for parking

a back door like an escape is there two doors we do have a second address it's uh if you look on the So, right in front of the kitchen, there's a secondary door that's going to exit out to the lobby of the apartments.

So, as long as it does. Yes. You got you have no issues or anything? Uh the only thing I was waiting on was the hood. Was your hood finished Monday? Yes. Um just documentation on that. Well, do they have to be inspected?

Yeah. Yeah. So that'll come through with their inspection, their max occupancy. And then the only other thing was what was mentioned was the oil storage. Um so it's not just you, it's the other restaurant as well. I know Chris was working on the plan to try to get everything. I believe the last time he and I spoke about it, it was it was a few months back that we discussed this. I I was under the impression to be in that same room with garbage. I don't know if that's maybe he's changed that since and we just haven't discussed it, but it's not a huge issue for the size of the two businesses in there,

right? I think that's excuse me I think that's going to be safer is that you're you have a certain amount. Um but if it's all stored there it's also stored next to combustible because of that draft. So we just we'll we'll finalize but that's just something to keep in mind that we'll be coming up with as well.

I think it'll be another good addition to downtown. Appreciate that. The big thing is as long as happy there there's a plan for everything. Like I said, I toured the building. Um what he did there is remarkable um to bring that back in the way that he did it. So I don't have any issues with this. Um no secret we could argue was already done.

Thank Then I would like to make a motion that the false planning board recognize the board of site plan review hereby grant site plan approval for the project known as uh SP26-011 Judge Gon of Tax number 309.28-26 28-26, commonly known as 54 South Street, to convert a vacant commercial space into a tavern style bar restaurant subject to the following conditions that the applicant worked with the uh engineering and water department to provide the proposed location supporting design and sizing calculations for the grease trap. And that the applicant also meet all fire department requirements and inspections, including but not limited to the the plan for uh storage of trash and cooking oil storage.

I I second that motion. All in favor? I l are you going to come or anything like that? So I have to get the signification. Um I was under the impression that this was all councing. So I'm going to get that done ASAP. He gets the one blade sign. Mr. C has installed uniform sign

for that building sign where they can be plugged in. They meet the code. They would just go through building a building permit application that you would submit to building codes department. If you want secondary signage, then you will be back. Like the hair salon, they just got there. She wanted the letters in the window. They had to come back for that. That's as long as if you just have that blade signed. That's that's it so far. I think we were going to try to do like a decal on the door. Is that something I need to

It's going to be dependent on whether or not it'sformational or not. If it's just hours of operation or something of that nature, then it falls into anformational category. But if it's going to be an actual advertisement for your business, it says Joe's on there. I've got a picture of the sign. Yeah, the sign's the sign's going to be conforming. I know about it. They're allforming. This is actually so you'll just go to building.

Yeah. Um right now it's going to be a little bit nicer food sandwiches. I'm in the process of looking for a chef. So if he has some crazy talent that we haven't been thinking of, if that's his specialty, then we might. But so far, so any board members that didn't get a chance to go when Jud had his place in Lake George, he's a very good operator and it'll be a good addition to the city. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Thank you all very much. Have a

great night. All in favor? question for the