Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I did read what you said and the attachment. Great. Seems seems uh reasonable to me. Yeah. But that's my opinion. Well, we'll wait until everybody gets here to have Yeah. If the guy can't pay his bills on the residential, then Well, we'll we'll wait until everybody gets here. Okay. Yeah, I understand. just because we're not really supposed to discuss outside of the video.

Hi, I printed a chair guide for you. All right, here we go. Is this the first meeting? Hi everyone. Hi. Can you hear me? We can hear you, Benjamin. Okay. I'm in the airport, so I have to do do it on on my iPad. Let me see Lan can get in. Hold on. Let me try to call her. No, she's on. Hi, Jerry. How are you? I'm fine, thanks Benjamin. It's nice to see you.

Uh they'll start their meeting in a few minutes. So, we all just kind of stand by until then. Okay. a couple notes for you, Alex. Yeah,

I apparently did not include anything in the agenda. So, you will need to add this application to the agenda. And let's see the proper wording of that deed. Jerry, what would you say a good title for this application is a deed restriction amendment or

my suggestion is uh it'd be the application amend sub lot number five in Big Horn and that's going to be good enough. Okay, I put number one and then didn't fill in any of the information. So, silly me. Um, and then also the board of selectment has requested feedback from you regarding the Argentine north improvement plan, which I'll show you when we get to that point. But, okay. And do you typically like print out the minutes from like from September 17th?

Yes. I don't think I have them though, so I will need to follow up with Bridget on that. Okay. So that that'll just get table that. Okay. Uh Kathy did say she could come if we don't end up having a quorum. We can call her and she would come down. So

cool. Hi, how's it going? Good. How you doing? Good. Is Ein L Queen did she get did she get Were you able to see her? We see her. Okay, good. Good. There. Hello. She's on the screen. got the wrong weeks.

Yeah, we're uh Benjamin and Lland, we're waiting uh for enough planning commission members to arrive so that we have a quorum to be able to start the meeting. So, no problem at all. Just in case. And Lana's English is not that good. So that's why I'm here for just in case she doesn't understand everything. Okay. Thanks, Benjamin. Okay. I think we do have a quorum now. So Christian, if you would like to start the meeting, sorry, Alex. Yeah, no worries.

Hello everyone. Thank you for coming. I'd like to call the Georgetown Planning Commission meeting to order. The time is 6:03 6:03 on October 15, 2025. And should I do the roll call? Uh, yeah, you can. Shane is on his way and you Okay. Will be here in like two minutes. So, oh, we've got a couple couple more rolling in. So, we're going to wait two minutes.

Well, do a little call then. Okay. Keep going. So, cool. Do you have everybody's name or would you like anything? I think we're good. Half Jay Cooper, Crystal Dixon, Georgia. Oh, Georgia. Chris Sanford here. Stanford, sorry. Jackson here. And Jeff Goldman, present. Very nice. Shane

and Shane Henry will be here momentarily. So as the first uh item on the agenda will be to approve the agenda.

All right. Yeah. Well, first we're going to approve the agenda. However, the first item on that which this will have to get approved is an application to amend subdivision plan community plat number five. and then the approval minutes once December September the 17th. So you have a motion to approve the agenda. So it's just a remark. Can I add one item and that would be the uh uh uh review the uh Argentine North, right? Casia, we want that. Yes. So you really have three things. You'll have um

approval of agenda. You'll have the uh the sublot five big horn and the Argentine north uh landscape plan. Yeah, whoever was about to make the motion, I'm sorry for interrupting you. If you add that to your motion, we'll have an approved agenda. So, the tableing of the minutes can happen at that point and the appropriate you can call for a motion as you know as stated or so moved. Okay.

Do I have a motion to approve the agenda? I motion to approve the agenda as amended. As amended second motion all in favor. Okay. Thanks for the patience. This is my first time doing this so bear with me but thank you. So first we can hear from the applicant or from uh from Jerry if either one of you would like to to uh discuss. So typically you would have stack the floor first which in this case Jerry will go. Okay.

And then the board will have an opportunity to ask or and then we'll have the applicant present anything and then the board will have an opportunity to discuss. Okay. Terrific. Thank you very much. And I apologize for not being there in in person. I had some oral surgery which uh was fine, but uh and the pain meds are working, but uh they don't trust me to drive a car while I'm on them. So, you know. Hey, Jerry. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt you. If there's any way for you to talk a little closer to your microphone, that would be really helpful.

Okay. Uh just a minute. Let me see if I can make that uh make that happen. How about now? You hear me? All right. Is it better? Uh it's still pretty quiet. And I know it's not our volume because Ben is very very loud. So, yeah, we've got ours turned up all the way. So, okay. I'm looking for a a micro, you know, I'm looking for something to increase the volume on my end, but I can't find a button. Okay. Well, if you can't, that's okay. We'll just be super quiet.

Okay. I'm I'm very sorry about that. I'm trying to find where the microphone is, but I'll just How about now? Does it feel like I'm shouting or not? No, you go that way.

Good. I'll I'll keep shouting on this end then. Be fine. Uh members of the commission, thanks for having me. I'm sorry I can't be there in person. Uh but uh uh the commission has seen or those of you that were on the commission several months ago have seen a similar application. Uh as background when the Big Horn uh subdivision was approved, uh one of the develop parcels to be developed was the hotel and uh the town's code at that time required a 50% in that zone district 50% use as commercial. um given the way the parceling was laid out at the time, the hotel parcel uh didn't there wasn't enough commercial on that parcel. So the workaround that we put together back in 2017 when this got done was to designate some of the town homes which are just south of uh the hotel, you know, that little row of town homes south of the hotel as hospitality units which could be rented, frankly were required to be or seven of them required to be rented as just walking, talking, acting like hotel rooms and that allowed the developer and the hotel to get built. so that it satisfied our zoning requirement. And honestly, kind of an awkward solution to the problem, but it solved the problem then. But since that time, the parcel been reconfigured. Uh the hotel no longer needs these units to be called hospitality units. And in practice, it's been very difficult for the owners of those units and frankly for the hotel. Who wants to check in at the hotel and then realize that their room is down the road? It just was awkward to begin with and has not been a good arrangement for either party. Uh, and it's no longer needed as a result of our zoning requirements. And so, uh, there's

already been one application. It was filed by Mr. Benjamin Chang, who's on the on the screen right now, uh, who had who also owns one of those units. And he kind of brought this to our attention. In a minute, we'll hear from him. because of the difficulty of being able to use your unit or sell your unit to another owner. If if that buyer has got to realize that the only that they can't live in it and they they've they've got to have it available for the uh the hotel to rent and the hotel would rather not that either. And they've told us that many times. Um and so Mr. Chang's uh unit came before the planning commission with this very application and honestly in order to even have a a a provision or a a mechanism to remove plat notes because these restrictions the where they live is in a couple of plat notes on the big horn plat. If you read the fine print, like lawyers like to do, but if you read the fine print, you'll notice that the platotes say things like that the uh the units uh have to be uh used in connection uh with the uh the perpetual deed restriction used in connection with the hotel and they're kind of embedded in a few plates. Uh and that's how we managed to create this system. So Mr. Chang came through several months ago on his property. Uh but first we had to amend the town code and I wrote that amendment to put together a plat amendment process which provides for a two meetings no public hearing but two meetings one meeting in front of you the planning commission and then you make a recommendation to the board of selectment. Uh here the only action you'd be taking is recommending that these couple of plat notes get deleted from the plat with respect to sublot 5 which is the current application land kin's uh application because she is also

an owner of one of these uh units. Uh so we processed Mr. Chang's application several months ago. he was pretty articulate in describing the the difficulty of owning a unit that really uh you know is now a hotel room that you can't really use. Uh and I'll turn over to him in a second. One point I do want to make is this as a part of the 2017 approval of the Big Horn project. Uh the the there are other plates that say that no units there can be rented as short-term rentals. See, you can't get an STR license uh in Big Horn, and people sometimes forget that, but that's a different kind of animal. As I'm sure the planning commission realizes, the town has an STR, short-term rental licensing program. Uh you can only have a certain percentage of the residential units in each of the three wards in the board of selectment wards in the town. The town's divided into wards as you know and there's only a certain percentage allowed I think in at least one case there there's a waiting list to be on the STR list but that's not affected with this removing these platin notes doesn't remove the overall big horn restriction on no short-term rentals but removing this platin note will then turn this particular town home uh into a regular town home so that the poor applicant here who's on the screen can own that unit, can live in that unit, can rent that unit, can sell that unit free from this restriction which I told the planning commission before and I'll tell you again is not necessary. Mr. Chang's application went in front of the board of selectmen, you know, within a couple weeks of planning commission recommending its approval and it was approved and the staff recommendation here is also to approve uh the uh uh the

application. Uh uh Mr. Now would be a good time for uh uh the applicant and Mr. Chang, are you going to be speaking on behalf of the applicant? Yes. Hold on. Let me let me unmute it myself. Okay. Can you hear me? Yes.

Okay, good. Well, basically, and I'm speaking for u uh Lan Crane, and she's running into the same difficulty we do. And um I try to email the expense uh the uh the the income in her unit to our attorney. Uh I don't know you guys get it or not, but by looking on my hand and I'mma show you something. I don't know you can see it close enough. and uh building month of um um month of March the income was really good. It's 142 and then month of April $2441. Uh August is $880 and May is a negative $384. So basically uh Lana and Queen could not even make her mortgage payment and um we tried to sell it and nobody would buy it because no bank would look on the uh a a unit that could not to be using for regular rental or live in it. So that is the main reason we we want the deal restriction to be removed and beside that the management company is not doing a good job and they just charge everybody arm in the leg and I'm glad you mentioned that for members of the commission the hotel has used a management company to try to sort of manage this little weird relationship right between the hotel and the and these hospitality units. owners and and uh uh without uh casting aspersions on any of the parties, it just has been an awkward and and not very workable uh arrangement. Uh so Mr. Chang, I think

is illustrating uh illustrating that. Uh, but I have to say it is a beautiful unit and since since I took it back and I spent about a week up there, it's so enjoyable, you know. Well, a lot's happening in the Big Horn project. We're delighted it's finally, you know, it's getting close to being complete. Uh, Mr. Chair, I appreciate the commission's patience and listening to all of us who aren't in the room trying to tell you things and show you things. Uh, this would be the right time for any questions. the uh commission might have. Happily, at least some of you, I think, probably saw the Mr. Chang's application. So, you you have a familiarity with what we're trying to accomplish here.

Questions? Is there any benefit to the hotel for or do do they not want to have this relationship as well?

Uh that's a good question. they don't uh I' we've spoken with hotel manager uh over over the years frankly and the arrangement is is difficult for them as well. It's someone shows up at the front desk and they say okay here's your here's your your your room is go out the door walk down the road in the middle of the winter and that's where your room is. Uh that's one difficulty. uh the uh they're supposed to provide sort of hotel level services to those rooms. They've used a management company for that. Who's going to make the beds? You know, it's just it's down to that uh that kind of uh level. And I think that that uh it it has not been worth it to the hotel to have they don't need these extra rooms. They only needed them because of that initial zoning thing. But but you're right to ask that question because they are affected. If this platode is removed, they won't have access to this particular unit. Uh but it's not of value to them.

And I move to recommend the approval of the application as presented. Yeah. I have a question. Um is this pretty much open-ended or is it closed? In other words, if things were to change x amount of time in the future, would it stay the same or would we in other words, would we look at it again or just This is one Unix and there is a a plat on the deed. We are removing that. So, that is a permanent condition. Permanent just for this one unit. Okay. I did this for the whole thing. Okay. And and okay,

I do want to address the whole works because there's a broader policy uh discussion that I want to share with you, but I I go right ahead and finish your work on this application on the motion that's on the table. And when you said removing the restriction allows it to be rented, that's just as a long-term rental, right?

That's exactly right. All right. And I'm glad you raised that because I I wanted to make the distinction between a long-term rental and a short-term STR licensed rental. You can't you can't get an STR license in Big Horn, but if you own a unit, unless subject to one of these darn plat restrictions that we're about to remove. If you own a unit, you can you can rent it to someone long term who's going to live there for six months, a year, however long your lease term is. And like any other residential property in Georgetown, you can rent it to people that want to rent it from you. And unfortunately, these few units have been burdened with this uh this uh rather odd restriction. It's one I've done this kind of work for decades, and it's the first time I've seen this particular restriction. I helped to write it back in 2017 when the developer is trying to get the hotel parcel approved, but it's no longer necessary. Seems like a benefit to the community to have one more extra unit.

Yeah. Help the guy out. Yeah. This is That's ridiculous. It is. Yeah. Let him rent his place. Let him sell it, right? He's worthless. He got screwed. So, she's case or she they are there. Any other questions? No motion to approve. I second. All in favor?

Thank you. Uh I do have I do have one I do have one question since we get that approved and uh do I need to get some sort of paper execute from the town and and for me to take it to record it so we get the D restriction removed. How does that work? So Ben

Ben will need to take this in front of the board of selectmen for final approval. So the planning commission is making a recommendation to the board of selectmen to uh complete this application and then yes we will be recording with the county for both your property if that hasn't already been done and also the lunchon. So so so you will record it for us. We don't need to we don't need to pick up the paper. No, you will need to record it. Okay. So when the paper is ready, would you please uh contact me? Should I go pick it up? We can work that out with Jerry after the meeting. Yes.

Yeah, we'll we'll arrange for that just as we did for yours back. But remember, we've got one more stop. We got to go to the uh board of selectmen and they will say yes and then we're done and then we can record. Okay, understand. So, I'll wait for your email and your phone call. That's great. Thank Thank you very much. And you guys have a nice evening. Nice to see you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

Bye. uh uh Kasia and and Mr. Chair, if you if you don't mind, while while we're on this topic, I you might be asking, well, are we going to keep seeing these one at a time? That's a little clunky, isn't it? And I've spoken with Dennis uh Durham about this, and it was a fair question of his. It seems awkward to have to do them one at a time. And uh really, you know, because we need an application from the owner, we did reach out to all the owners, but not all, you know, so far only two have have asked to have this changed. Uh here's what I'm working on. Just so you know, I'm working on an ordinance that the board of selectman would adopt to put together another little amendment procedure that we could use that the town could be the applicant and get all of the remaining ones dealt with in the same way that you just dealt with this tonight. That's a little larger effort. I want to carefully go over it with the board of selectmen, make sure they're okay with it. uh there's some hoops we got to jump through and just it's a kind of an unusual fix to an unusual problem but looking forward I don't want to have to you know do this to the remaining whatever they are four different owners uh plus which there's a separate plat note that's sort of that identifies a bunch of other units as available for hospitality but not required to be but nevertheless that's on their title and I'm sure that that's hard for them to try to explain to a mortgage age company even though they're not burdened in quite the same way as the one that you saw tonight. Uh so I'm I'm working on being able to put together a system. We plug it into the town code and then we can bring one application forward to you and to the board and wipe all these remaining platinotes out. But

that will take a little longer. And uh the present applicant uh I offer that up and and understandably they didn't want to wait. They want to get clear title so they can fully use their property. But I wanted to assure you that uh hopefully it won't be death by a thousand cuts on on these future parcels. We'll get them I'll I'll put together a system we can we can uh deal with the remainder and uh stay tuned. But I'm uh cautiously optimistic we can get that done. Thank you guys. Have a good evening.

Thank you. All right. The minutes from September 17th will tabled until the next meeting. So, do I do I have a motion to approve minutes being tabled from September 17th to the following meeting? All in favor? Yes. What is the song about me?

I lost my Argentine North poster. Where did I go? Well, it's like this big. So

this was a this was added to the agenda right before we walked in this review of this Argentine north. While Case is looking for it, I I'll tell you the board of selectmen saw this last evening and uh generally liked it, but it was one of the first things they said was, "Has the planning commission seen this? We would like to have the planning commission's comments on this." And it's it's uh you know, the town vamping for time for might as well give you the introduction. Uh the town as you know owns the property on on the uh west side of Argentine north of say the family family dollar. I say north because in my mind that's downstream and north that direction. Um it's on the left and we keep millings there now, right? You know where that that and there's there's overflow parking and various things. It's a very long kind of skinny parcel. It actually goes further north than you would than the Millings area is. Uh, but it's that property that that um uh we've had reviewed and uh uh have a a landscape plan for involving a fair amount of um uh you know putting in trees, trying to embrace that area more. uh providing for an open grass uh multi-use area potential for a skate park and then on the very far northern uh portion of it just before it turns into private property on that side uh would be kind of moving the site for the helipad right now. Occasionally helicopters do land as you know uh there when when there's an issue and an ambulance needs to meet them. that has over the years been uh a convenient place for the helicopters to land, but we'd like to move that slightly further north. Obviously, no public parking

allowed on that if there's going to be a helicopter landing, but there's a pretty good plan that Kasia hopefully has found on a big uh foam board that depicts this kind of shows where the landscaping would be, where the parking would be. uh and I think uh the the board of selectmen was uh favorable toward it, but before they they released it, they wanted to get the planning commission's recommendation. Uh Ka's not back. I figured that she'd find that big white board by now and but you might have to just, you know, take a recess in place until she shows up to better describe it. And I think you'll I've described it orally, but it's there's no substitute for a picture and it's a pretty good depiction uh of what uh is being proposed. Cindy Neely was here to actually make the main presentation on it uh last night. So I guess we wait for Kasia. I did my best.

Yeah, thanks. We can hang tight for a couple minutes. Jerry, would this parking, this new parking be kind of a replacement for the lot that Big Thorn's going to develop, the hockey crowds we're using as parking? Yeah, we it the the design I think would have to be pretty flexible because, for example, on pond hockey days, you know, we need room for 300 plus cars. There's just, you know, we we'll we're using every available chunk of property. So I think what they they're looking at is around 60 spaces and again KU can confirm. Okay.

But the design is intended to you know make a better use of that property uh uh and make it more welcoming but at the same time keep it flexible enough for the special events we have where we've honestly been glad to have that land to be able to you know park buses on and cars on. Uh so that's that's one of its proposed functions, but the idea was to kind of organize it a little bit. It's kind of informal now. There's some land and more or less in the middle there's actually a perennial stream that actually goes through that property and goes on down and hits uh Clear Creek. I I myself was unaware of that. I I've only driven over that part of the world. I should probably get out of the car and walk it sometime and find out where that stream goes. But it actually comes from the west and uh kind of trickles down and goes into into Clear Creek at that location. Ah, here's Kasa. She found the white board. No,

I apologize for that. I don't know where our big boards went. We were here last night. So, okay, Kasa, I tried to fill them in while you were gone. Thank you. told them uh roughly what was proposed, but armed with the map, I think you might you might want to briefly describe again where's the parking, where's the nature area, where's kind of a a free use area, potential skate park, and then I describe for them about the uh helellipad being on the furthest uh north.

Yeah. So, this is the area between the Georgetown Lodge and the Helellipad. And I actually think you guys have seen a version of this already. Um, you were invited to the Cherret in July if you remember that. Um,

Oh, nice. Great. Um, so that was where we received comments from the public about what we were interested in putting over there. And ultimately, we want to develop it into a more usable space as it's largely not being used right now. And so that includes making the parking lot a little bit more efficient, creating access to the existing creek that's there, um creating a an open turf play area and a skate park or something like that, creating some additional parking on the north end and moving the helipad to the very furthest part of that property to create a little bit more efficiency there. Um, we did take the first step last night of purchasing some street trees that are not directly uh part of this project, but are just part of the overall plan of improving the area over there. So, the board of selectment is interested in planning commission's comments regarding this area. And if you would like um you can look at this and think about it and we can come back next meeting and you can provide more comments uh or discussion for the board. It's not a big rush. This is a a a generic plan. Nothing is engineered. Nothing is really specific. Just a vision. Cool. I think it's dope.

Yeah. Yeah. So, the existing businesses that are down there, are they a birdless yet? Uh, by existing businesses, do you mean the hotel in Cabin Creek? They have had many opportunities to participate in this planning. We have not specifically spoken with them in person, but they did receive a letters and invite to that sharet. Did they see this? And they have access to public office. Okay. I'm just saying. Totally. Yeah. It's really nice. Yeah. Really nice.

Oh, yeah. It's going to be nice. I love right there in the condo. So, I'm I'm all for this.

Additional parking for um if you recall, we are working with Centennial Opportunity Fund to build a park over on this north end. So having additional parking here just regularly for that will be great. Having another park, we always sort of enjoy that. Um and then it will also continue to serve as event parking for the Christmas market and of July and hockey tournament. Yes. I thought the farmers market two weeks ago was pretty sweet and it's like I see you like as a potential use for a farmers market in that space if it happens there downtown. I I think it would be a successful place to have a farmers market here.

Yeah, I agree. And that probably can be pretty Yeah. through throughout the you know throughout this on Saturdays throughout the summer, you know. I think it would Yeah, it would draw draw a crowd. Yeah, I like the the bridge access where you put it there. I go down to that bridge that exists down the way, but then once you cross, you have to go a long way or go right back across the same bridge to get back to the other side. Yes. And we are working on some additional bridges throughout town just to create a little bit more access across the creek especially to commercial districts. Yeah.

Would there be additional ingress and ingress coming in and out of the facility? I mean the whole stretch along Argentine. Uh they have positioned it looks like an ingress and an egress on the north and south side of this left parking lot here. You see these little entries right here. Okay. And then there's also there's an entry here and here one for this parking lot on this side. And then this one on the helipad would be exclusive to emergency services. So would there be a necessity for any traffic lights or or No. Okay. I'm just ask stop signs. Stop signs. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah. As people are exiting. Yeah.

All right. Yeah. There's like four entrance and exits. So that's good. Yeah. But this is again a vision. This is not an engineering plan. This might not be exactly where we put the entrances. Okay. Yeah, definitely. Great to start. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So, I know the board of selection is looking for our seems like we're all pretty in favor of it. I don't know if any anyone has specific comments on what they'd like to have different, but I suppose we could talk about that again. next time if if or we can just

well as the planning committee I guess the question is I'm assuming all this was mocked up knowing what our um zoning codes all say you can do in these areas so that there's not any changes that we would need to review not for this what is our influence on it just just like

so you guys will be leading the way on the comprehensive plan in 2026 six. So I would say for example if you uh look at our current one it says that uh improving people's access to like fitness is something that our current comprehensive plan just lists as a a thing you want to do. So maybe you look at this park and you say, "Oh, it'd be cool if there were more like fitness opportunities there." And I'm just making something up, you know, but if that's something that you guys think is a priority for the town comprehensive plan wise, you can submit that comment. And again, that was just an example. Maybe you say, "Oh, I don't like turf. I think turf is not something that um suits this area and it has these environmental impacts or whatever." And you guys uh know that environmental friendliness is also something that the town wants to consider when we're planning things like that. So

So like there is a turf area and the playground's already in town. So what if they made a skatepark larger than cuz it's about the size of the alley pad. So there's not really I think they should take all the money from this this skate park and put it up at at the the top skate park. That's going to be my next question in the set. Well, right now there's zero money for this, right?

But the board will be discussing, you know, we're working on budget now. And so, how much money do you put into this infrastructure and what you guys think is maybe priority for this area? Is it parking? Is it restrooms? Is it plugins for a farmers market? If you guys think those are the things they should be prioritizing with this plan, then those are like good comments to submit to the board of select. I think this is important because it's right off the I7 and it makes a statement, right? It's very visible from the highlights. The statement there now is maybe not as presentable as it could be. Trying to take my word.

Yeah. Well, and it's also just like since I live in the condos that face and my condo actually faces I70, which actually is pretty pretty beneficial when I have to like go either way. It only tells traffic, but also like I think this would displace some of the noise or like feed it out a little better because that is so noisy sometimes you don't have any. Yeah. The entrance to the town would be more presentable for the for the lot the left side of the page. Um seems like overflow parking for like Sixth Street. Having like a shuttle that could run back and forth would probably be a a good thing to have if not all the time like contract out for one during season or something.

Absolutely. Yeah. Shuttle stuff. Mhm. Yeah, that would be good. So, I do know Beth came in a few months ago and showed us kind of a plan for the parks and wreck. Um, has there been any more talk about doing anything with the tennis courts over there as a skate park? Yes. Or if they were going to build a skate park that was big enough over there, I mean, needed on this

absolutely great yeah that kind of stuff that is um worthy of considering. Just an update on the parks commission. They have been working with some grad students to develop a vision the same way this is not engineered just a vision for the skate park. And we are putting it in the capital improvement plan for the parks commission to plan out uh basically next year we're hoping the board of selectman will choose to fund the engineering and the actual like structural drawings for the skate park over there. Um and that's going to be pretty expensive. So, we'll see how far we can get with that and then once we have those plans, it'll be a a matter of how much actual work can we do moving forward from there. So,

but the the parks commission is prioritizing the skate park at the basketball court, but you want to keep the tennis court. So,

and and how long from start to finish the project? um this project it really depends on if the board of selectmen decides to prioritize it. I think the infrastructure here is relatively minimal. So depending on how it really plays out, if you decided to just improve the parking lot area, that could probably be done next year. But if you want to fund a skate park in that area, that's going to take a lot more time because concrete's very expensive. it would be potentially taken away from the other skate park which would be a conversation with parks. Um, and you would also like the Argentine North sidewalk just as a reference took many many many many years for them to get the funding to do that and to and the engineering and the grants and all that stuff put together. So, um I think Sydney Neil has been working on that project for like at least 10 years, maybe 15. So, um but that's to be clear that's the sidewalk from 6th Street all the way to 22nd in the roundabout. So, yeah, that's been a big in the visitor center. That whole sort of Argentine independent plan

has been a long project. So, so this is the next step for her in the Argentine. I really like that. I agree with the skate skate park though. So if they're gonna have a bigger skate park, I think this could be utilized. Dog park, not skate park. The good park there. It's nice to draw attention from like I7, right? Where tourists or people be like, "Oh, what's that?" Oh, that's what I was just trying to say. It would draw people into That's what I was trying to exit and like because otherwise they wouldn't know that one of the basketball courts existed. That's what I was trying to say to like head it over there. It's a draw.

And that's also like a tiny piece of property for a park like that. Gives them a reason to get off the exit. Yeah. Yes. Maybe that's one big thing that they bring up to the parks committee when we meet with them next is maybe deciding whether it would be better to spend the money on the park over here or at the tennis court. It's like preferable not to be next to I7 probably, but as far as drawing attention to the town and people driving by, oh, there's a lake there. There's park like they're they're like, yeah, I mean it would make people want to pull up the highway, right? Also put a dis golf force throughout that if we wanted. I'm a little biased, but

and it would help the businesses there too. Well, yeah, especially having like farmers markets and things there like they were that would draw people off the highway pretty much hopefully influence people to come up town check out the businesses up there. So, especially after that lift and um out of the screens. Yeah, there's not going to be very many people going to the loop after that's right. Okay, so visibility and attraction for my 70 Um, shuttle stop. Shuttle stop. I think if you want to have farmers markets there, you got to put a bathroom. Yeah,

I think the red building that's a little bathroom. I think that's true. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the other option for this area, they were kind of talking about putting in like a little temporary RV thing at one point. Uh the parks commission considered a couple different spots for the RV park. At this point, I think that project is uh not dead, but just on the back burner. We are considering still some locations closer to the lake.

Right. Well, I was just going to say this is way more useful than something like a little RV park cuz it also sounded like there wasn't going to be any long-term staying in the RV park. So, would didn't make too much sense, right? Okay, so I have visibility and traction for my 70 shuttle stop for overflow infrastructure for farmers market. Any other big key topics? This is not related to this section, but Argentine across from um like the market that is there any land over there that's developable by the town because I think parking over there would also make sense.

That is a park currently. It is a designated park. So, we would have to change it. Were there picnic tables for it? Yes. Um, now there is one space that I don't have any like real things to tell you, but we are looking at as far as like if we could put something small there, that would be okay.

Um, anything, but it is a park right now. So, we could develop it as a park. Um, or we could, you know, if you guys feel that parking is really important, that that could be something that we that you bring to staff and we can explore that option or talk to the boards about them and see if they're interested in that because really they're the ones that direct us. But, um, that would take a a little bit more substantial of a change. not in it's not intended to be developed, but there is private land over there that is undeveloped that we do want to eat it up.

That's kind of what I was wondering is how much of that's private. How much Yeah. So, um, the area to the north of it's funny and I can't remember what's on the west side of Argentine over there cuz it's like there's a real estate office and then there's crazy horse I think is right next to that. What is that? There's like a building that's been vacant since I've been in town like 5 years, but it's crazy. Maybe that's the crazy horse. We are actively working on the crazy horse. He is violating a number. It's abandoned, isn't it? It is not abandoned. I almost wish that it

No, I was wondering about that, too. I like I'm never seen anything with that building. I guess what I was trying to get to was like, is this would this take priority if we had the ability to develop down there? Which side of Argentine? This is our land that we can plans for. Everything else is stuff that we can talk to people and and hope and press in different ways, but it is private land on the other side. And so there's it's just different. We can't exactly adopt a plan for other people's property. So yeah, there's there's not much over there left for us to develop. There's just a little

Well, and let me resend that a little bit because we do have in the comprehensive plan, you know, and the gateway commercial plan, we we have visions for what that area can be. It's a little less specific, I would argue, than this, but in general, one of the town priorities was developing the commercial area in the Gateway District, which is along Argentine Street. So, yeah.

Um, and that includes this, but it also includes even the mothers and the shell station, even that side, we would like to help them elevate a little bit, you know, so in the long term Other questions, other thoughts? All right, I think this is a really good list to bring to the board select. So, thank you. Um, I don't feel like we need to have another meeting on it, but if you ever want to, you can ask questions about it or email me. So,

all right. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. All in favor? I have a second.

Thank you guys. Tabling of minutes first motions and Shane second for the table of of the Oh, yeah. The first one second and then I have for the agenda first Natasha second and for the same as a third okay see you next time. Thanks folks. Good to see you.