Commissioners - Regular Meeting

Okay, we're back from executive session with no action taken We will go into Public hearing Negotiated sale 125 East Elm Commit counselor Edwards Thank you

The county received an offer from Dwayne Daya in the amount of $1,000 for the purchase of real property with a street address of 125 East Elm Street, Junction City. Its legal description is block 8, 9, 10, block 6, Clark's Plateau addition to the city of Junction City. This property was first offered for public sale as part of the taxable closure case 19-CB000215. The property was also offered for bundled sale at a sealed bid sale held by the county on March 21, 2022. It did not receive any eligible bids. We also offered this property as an add-on to our most recent tax sale on November 8, 2025. As this property is not sold, it is eligible for negotiated sale under KSA 79-2803D. Proper notice was published and this is the hearing. Mr. Daya owns the adjacent property. I checked with Ms. Childs and he does not owe any taxes. He wanted to be here today and that was his plan, but something came up this morning. He was unable to appear today. It's the water adjacent to his house. And anyone who has anything to say about the sale is welcome. It's their opportunity.

So do we close the public hearing and then make a motion, or how does that work?

Yes.

Mr.

Petty?

No, ma'am.

Okay. It appears there's no one here to speak at the public hearing. So do you guys have a motion to accept it? It'll have to be confirmed by the court.

So are we closing the public hearing?

Yes, we're going to close the public hearing.

Then I would make a motion to accept the offer for 125 East Elm.

Second. Moved and seconded to accept the proposed amount of $1,000 for 125 East Down Street. All those in favor? Aye.

All of the ones in this building except the RID. And Caitlin, I didn't know they still had it, but I guess they do have her. On Riddell Street, too.

Riddell Street.

Oh, sure.

When we're done with the Commission meeting, if you have a couple minutes, I'd like to visit with you.

Sure. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

Five minutes earlier five minutes

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That's great. I probably can't sign it. I'm just going to check the commission room.

Oh. It's the generalization.

i got here from here earlier i don't think he does i think he just moves around with a different angle this time when they see me it's always too late

say that like terry said

I know. I know. I know. I know. Did you get a place in town for this?

For the correction?

Do you know how many more is out there?

Do you know how many more is out there?

Did you get Trent signed up? Yeah, so when I go into that remote session, it won't let me get in there.

It's a malicious site. So it's my pleasure.

that's how he gets in there well these are the ones

Okay, well, we'll go ahead and get started with this CIC discussion. Whoever wants to start can do so. Travis?

Just got issues we're having with it.

Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. We're kind of learning our way around it, like what's but like this morning Vanessa went to certify a personal property and it just didn't work. Like they have a checklist, you download it, it just didn't work. So we put in a trouble ticket, we can get it fixed, but it seems like everything we do just doesn't work. And it requires a call, or a trouble ticket, So it's kind of like death by a thousand cuts, right? I think we've worked our way through some of our biggest issues. This is every time you turn around.

Have they responded then? Yeah, I got it done. It's just, it's always something I feel like. And then it kind of puts a damper on my day on going out or doing anything. Cause I sit around and I have to wait for them to call because

And you don't know if it'll be that day or that week. They don't always give you a timetable.

But yeah, it's just more of the same. So they don't have a, in all your conversations with them, they have a fix for this. So you ain't got to go with it all.

It was a programming thing and they started a program and your program fixed it. A lot of times it is a programming thing. And then, yeah. But it's like they haven't updated.

When you say a programming thing, it's like they haven't updated it.

What did you say this morning? It was like the file size?

So today our data was too large, and so they had to shrink. But I don't know what exactly that means in order for me to run these reports to do certification. And they fixed it, and now it runs. I don't quite know what they mean by shrinking our data. but it's just that our data size was too large. So I couldn't pull up any of the reports. So I just thought it was that one report. So then I went to the next step and that report didn't pull up. So I tried the third one and that report didn't pull up. So one program had fixed it and all the reports pulled up fine.

Travis, in your conversations with other appraisers, do you see, I see, are they having issues

Yeah, and when you go to classes like at PVD and it gets to, you know, tax software and all that, they always ask you who you use, right, because there's a few. And if you say CIC, there's a collective. And it's just, I don't know if it's anything like giant anymore. It's just a lot of little things that just don't quite work. I don't know. Hmm. I don't know that any of the alternatives are even better. It's hard to say, but there's a lot of counties do use KC, but it's just kind of like, well, that's what we got.

Sort of like movers, Kathy, where you didn't necessarily get it fixed, but you learned how to move around in it. And you just got pretty good at it. Right. You figured out how to make it work for what you needed to do. Sometimes that works. Sometimes you just don't which is what happens to me periodically. They tell me to go do something and I don't even have that program. And so I have to wait until they can put it on there.

How long has this been? Three years?

Or did we have CSE for 23? Yeah, I don't understand. Okay, it's been three years and they tell us to get the checklist.

You know, go down the checklist. It starts and stops.

We don't have a checklist. Well, that's it. You take option one or whatever of a checklist. Okay, that might work. The next option will not work. The next won't work. Then, like you say, you have to put in a call. You have to wait, which slows the whole process down. And then they'll say, oh, well, we've got to have programming like this because blah, blah, blah. Well, this is the same thing we were doing last year. Why is it different now?

Yeah, and like the answer, I mean, I don't really know what it means. Shrinking the data would seem to be like the zip function, but all that data exists in there. We've operated within there, and then we go to do one process, and there's too much data.

I can see if we'd have got that right after we converted, but not now.

I don't know. I mean, we kind of have access to anybody we need. It's just a timing thing, right?

Well, they were kind of short-staffed, too.

Yeah, I don't know where that's at now. If you submit something, I mean, it will get the answer you need. You just don't know if it'll be this morning or tomorrow.

Today was probably the fastest I've ever had a phone call, ever.

Probably because of certification. And I did it right this morning. I would imagine.

How many counties do they have now?

I want to say like 60. I thought I heard 65.

I think that's when we came on, I heard 65 or something, 66.

But even the counties that have been in it since the 90s say that the program and the service isn't what they were used to when they first learned it.

It's a lot more. What about the, and I mean, this probably won't have anything to do with the programming part, but the the seminars or whatever that they hold, the educational things. Are we going to those?

We get on, there's one every month, and Linda and I are on it every month. Do they talk about, I mean, do other places talk about having the same issues as us? They don't really discuss the issues as much as they discuss, I think Tammy can back me up on that, as far as showing us how to do certain things pertaining to certain things that happen in your office. And they have a mixture of, you know, budgets. finance, taxes, payroll. And so, I mean, they do one every month for, I think it's like an hour.

There's not much for personal planning.

That's all we do. I mean, I kind of get on it regardless just because it. Understanding. Well, it tells me a little bit more maybe of what's going on or how to help someone. Yeah, right.

Tammy, how about finance? I'm fine.

I don't have any issues that I can't handle.

And I don't know what the only reason is because you're not tied into obviously with the tax, the finance. We are. Well, I mean.

So like any AEs that they do affects our daily balancing. So we work with the treasurer's office and while they may create a headache between the treasurer's office and our office. We work through them and do what we need to do. But the tax part of it, the other stuff with that, it originates in their office and then goes to the clerk or to the deeds and the clerk and then to the treasurer. I don't know, it goes to all of us, so it does affect us all.

I think sometimes our field staff's a little hit or miss too. kind of what their in the field experience is. Like if you call with a question about how to work through an AAE, depending on who, which field staff gets it as to whether you can handle it or they actually understand what you're asking. A lot of times you get a call back.

Well yeah, they're not all trained to build everything that comes across.

And we had that with a little bit with, you know, the prior. Yeah, you get the call back and you give your whole spiel all at once. I don't want to think about that. I got to go talk to somebody. I mean, you get the same thing. Yeah.

So with the lien holder stuff that I had to re-put back in this year, I couldn't even make my own spreadsheet up. They had to make those spreadsheets specifically for me to use. because I had to do a spreadsheet for every mortgage company and then download it into the, import it into the system for 25 and 26. And I wrestled with that for a week trying to get a spreadsheet to go through and it wouldn't, whatever my spreadsheet was doing, it wouldn't work. They had to actually make one for me. So stuff like that is very frustrating because they tell you over the phone to make a spreadsheet for every mortgage company and you're sitting there typing away Luckily, I didn't do all of them before I tried to import one of them because, you know, my curiosity got the best of me. I wanted to see if it was going to work and it didn't work. So then you have to call them back and ask them why it's not working.

My spreadsheet wasn't, it's just a spreadsheet. Yeah, they have to have specific CSV files and they build it in the columns it needs to be in because we have the same thing with our purchase card upload. So it has to be in an exact format. Same with our hand-held checks, they have to be in an exact format. So once you build it, it's fine, but again, it's a headache when you do it the first time around.

Especially when you have to do that one time for it to be a specific spreadsheet. If you say, put a mortgage company on a spreadsheet and import it. I'm sitting there for days on end typing mortgage company information into a different spreadsheets because I had to have one for each mortgage company. Speaking of mortgage company, that central sold all their mortgages, so how does that work? Well, until they tell us that they aren't having that customer anymore, it stays because I don't know which ones to take them off. Generally, they'll probably send us a note or send out a letter that says we don't have these mortgages any longer and we'll go out and take them off of it.

As of June 1st, they're supposed to get the information out because I had already called on that. It affects me.

Well, I don't know of an easy solution to that. It's very frustrating. I know it is. When I talked to them at the conference, they said that the um issues seem to be a lot less minor than they used to be and education was part of the key to getting stuff but um you know it sounds like you guys are attending and doing whatever i don't know because you know that's i understand too it's easier said than done because too they say whatever and then you You know, everything's good and well, and then you sit down and try to do it. It's like really exciting to understand that side of it. But I just don't know what ties we have to them because it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's very frustrating and very time-consuming, especially on Sherry's part that she's had to deal with it for whatever number of years, three years, you know, just dealing with that stuff.

The local mortgage companies aren't here to stay. I spent four months putting them in there, so hopefully they're there and they're not going to disappear again.

And do they have a, you know, in the previous software, they had, you know, stops, you know, the hard stop that you can't go any further unless you've got, you know, a higher level of whatever, but nobody can go change anything until you're the only one lending. It's the only one that can change stuff. Do they have those things on there that, can stop that type of stuff from happening again.

Unfortunately, that doesn't, I mean, I don't have any buttons that allow me to delete mortgage companies that happen in a different office.

Do you just think that some of those things should be in place, security features, whatever you guys do in there?

Well, when we go so far in the abstract, then we lock people out so they can't make any changes to values or anything like, you know, you guys. Now, whether it affects mortgage companies, I don't know.

Well, that's what I say to Sherry, you have the same ability to whatever they do in that system because you don't get the same address changes and stuff and all that. It's crazy to me, too.

Well, that's one of the functions because one's previous year and one's current year. And so Sherry's in the current year or previous or future year, I guess, for Teresa's. So now that they've got it in the year that Sherry's working with, it'll always go forward. But the first time they fixed it, they fixed it in the other one, which does not carry. So that particular instance is fixed by what Sherry has done by putting it in her current year. That was my understanding.

Right, except it's the other way around. I did it in current year and not future. And now I've done it in future and current. So, but it's the same concept. I wasn't, it said to do it in current year. And for me, current year was the year we were collecting the taxes for. Everybody else's current year was the year ahead of me. And so there was a miscommunication as far as that goes, because the instructions do say current year.

Don't worry about that because we're moving to 2027.

Well, right. Well, and that's what I mean. Every office works in a different year. And if you write instructions that say current year, for me, the current year was the year we were taking the taxes for. I didn't even know I had access to a future year. Didn't know that was even possible because we've never had access to a future year in the previous software. So it wasn't something that was on my radar that, oh, I should go into the future. But it's in there now. It's in 25 and 26. So my God, it better show up this year.

Courtney's made a down payment to FCIC on site for the June-July abstract already. Joanne's coming. I don't know if it's two or three days, but of course we have to work really close with you guys, because as they go down the thing, they'll say, what did the appraiser say? What did the appraiser say?

Because there will be little discrepancies, right?

well yeah oh there's never a rounding issue or whatever that we just it'll show up as a flag and then we'll say this is why it happened it's fine yeah and we just have to ask the paper office is this okay with you or all of a sudden it'll stop and then we'll have to ask you guys um that's the way that it should be you know i mean it's yeah i mean otherwise yeah we're just we're depending on each other to get the right information to be able to go on down the checklist to get the abstract that time.

And that's exactly your point, Sheree, is we are dependent upon one another and so we have to be very diligent in working together because even if we have an AAE, I mean we've called Travis and we've called Courtney in there to make sure we were dealing with it the right way. Sheree had an issue with a report that got pulled in the wrong year and so it gave us all wrong numbers. We have to trust that what she's looking at, she knows that it doesn't look right and we have to figure out why. So we just have to, we have to make sure we're trusting each other and working through the entire problem and not just saying, it's your deal. So, and I think we've gotten a lot better at that.

Yeah, we have to because we can't get, we can't progress unless we go from one to the next to the next.

So we've made strides. Is it still painful sometimes? Yes. Things that are annoying that you have to deal with, but yeah, they're annoying.

They're little things. It's just, I mean, 23, I was ready to walk out the door and say, forgive me.

but it's like the thing that gets me i mean you'll have issues right where this imported file doesn't jive well nothing's ever going to be perfect you just go to do something simple and it doesn't work right you got it figured out and then here we go we're probably not the first to certify other counties have certified this year and when we do it there and harder we can't get past it's like

The only other thing I want to say about CIC is they have completely changed their ownership from the person who originally created the program and what his philosophy was versus what it is today is different. And I just know from past experience, another gentleman who branched off from him, they created a company together and then they separated and created companies. A county I know was dealing with the same exact thing because They don't have the support, and they don't have the knowledge that they once had. And so they're rebuilding all of it. So I reiterate what Travis said. You know, yeah, it's our pains that we're dealing with, but I have no idea how bad it can be if we try to change and do something different. And I can tell you now that I absolutely have no intentions of ever re-implementing a financial system.

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. Right. Right.

But that's my stand. And so I don't know.

Well, I mean, and I know we've asked this before, you know, what as the commission can we do to help you guys get through this? But I mean, it's got to be something on each individual department level to work through that. But, you know, Kathy and I don't have a problem yelling at people.

Well, I feel like our knowledge base, From when I came in 22, I would say based on the pain that we went through in CIC, CIC has made our malaise and we would have to agree and be way stronger in understanding our processes and knowing what we need to watch for and how we need to deal with things than we ever had before at that point.

And in between departments too. Sticking my nose where it probably doesn't belong, but to learn how this goes.

Well, and that's why I used to watch the CIC things that they do every month in meetings because it does allow you to see what somebody else is doing.

Do they have a user manual? They have a user manual, but in that case too, and we've talked about this as well, they have a generic user manual, but not every county functions exactly the same. So if you have TIF districts or you have NRPs or you have developmental agreements with specific companies, you've got to understand how you need to handle them to figure out what to do with them because that user manual is not in the checklist.

I still thought the user manual still had a supplemental page if you had some of those different types.

Well, it will have an insert like on a TIF or whatever, but it's still every county's TIF is different.

Right. One may be 10 years, one may be 20.

So maybe partial, then maybe something else.

I thought still, though, it was generic enough, or it should be, that those fields were vacant, but the formulas were still in there, that if you had a five-year and they had a ten-year, that still was in there to be able to put the different types of information.

We have to understand what ours says, and we have to build it. Once we've built it, then we've got it, just like the NRP and what we changed for that, what we had previous and what we now have. not the same, so we had to rebuild how it functions going forward.

Even if there was changes, you know, with the updates, because they send periodic updates anytime there are any changes made, Mr. Petty?

It sounds like they're coding on the fly, and they're hard coding. Like you say, it should be adaptable, that it should be able to put it in, and it should adjust. I would be concerned about the status of the company as a whole, Because it seems like they're just holding on. And so you want to look in and see if they're going to be there. And you all are working very hard. It's obvious. But you're looking at that mid-level. The top level may disappear because the company that you all signed up for really isn't there anymore. So I would look at that and see their technology. Are they doing like Oracle? Are they many mainframes? Because it sounds like they're just fixing stuff. Is it going to Band-Aids?

eventually that breaks a lot of those companies with the company before we have that too whenever there's an update or enhancement or whatever then it's always like oh great you know something you know so i think that they're a reputable company and you know like 65 counties have them but i'm not sure you know every county again is is unique and you know sometimes depending on what the enhancement is you either have to pay for it or the suggestion is taken where they'll spread it across all the 65 counties if it's going to impact all of them so that's i i don't think that they're necessarily going to go away i don't know in that sense that um because they we've paid quite a bit for them and they're they're uh it's a I guess when I was going out the door, when it was coming in the door, but we all sat together and for years I know we weren't willing to change as far as the treasurer's office, but I felt like that when Sherry and Linda and I looked at what they had and the reports that they had and what, you know, I think we were more interested in the reports and in the sense the old software company wasn't having those available. So we thought, hey, you know, if this is more, user-friendly in a sense because it was with green screens and these were you know say we're kind of moving up and everything else but what we saw what we got I think we're different and you know it wasn't as easy as is what they were showing I think I don't know how long you would think the three three years would be plenty for a transition period but to have a continuing new problems then that's a That's, you know, when you guys do that all the time, that shouldn't be a problem for counties.

Well, didn't you say that the lady that taught training at the beginning is no longer?

Well, the one that sold it to us retired pretty soon after she sold it to us.

But they signed on a lot of counties at that point in time, and I think they have at least three other states. And so, I mean, they, like you said, they're definitely reputable. I think they just have some rebuilding that they're working through from the old philosophy to the new one.

Which I would agree. I think the original owner, when he passed away, his children took over and they want bigger and better. And he was pretty happy with smaller and better and they want bigger and better. And so. Hence why they've taken on three out-of-state people. I think that's what part of the problem is, is the bigger and the better instead of better and smaller.

How often are the user groups, are they just once a year now, or are they quarterly? The next one's a thing called symposium, so it's in August. That's annually. We did last year. Yeah, we did last year. I think it's worth it. We have a little bit for each department. Well, I do too. I would encourage that because I know that, you know, just having that smaller, whatever, or just talking to others that are kind of either having a similar, sometimes you learn from the other how to get around something easier than if you call. And sometimes you get those connections that if you do that, then I'll just call you next time and help you instead of waiting around for three hours to get a job done.

But I think that's what the treasurer's office did. They worked with Dickinson and I think that helped.

their process is a lot yeah we work with celine and celine's been on a long time and the sad part about it is the dickinson they've ran it long enough that they know how to get around this stuff right and it's kind of like timmy timmy worked and worked like what you say 12 18 months to get things straightened out to the way that you wanted it because you understood the inside of this stuff and you you worked at it Whereas a lot of us, we can't go in and quite look at it the way you can analyze it.

Well, their daily processes are in, you know, I mean, it is different climate that they're in.

I mean, you're still going into a program. That's what I'm saying. I used to call Jamie and Celine and says, oh yeah, don't do that here. You need to go around this and something else. And the way she says it works, but it's kind of odd that they know that and we don't, but.

Well, what I'm saying is that Sherry don't have the luxury when you don't have the luxury of sitting and trying to go through the process and really figuring out. You're sitting there and you want to get the job done. You only do it once a year.

It's a matter of effort, right? Real estate takes up 95 plus percent of our effort, right? Because it's the bulk of our work where we have this little wish they'd have exempted at all, but they have this little personal property piece that is what we really do. Outside of that, we just kind of send the assessment extract to the clerk, they upload it, and we do a little bit, you know, name changes and value changes to most, I mean, we don't use CIC a lot when we do, It's usually a phone call.

I spend a lot of time just looking up stuff at the church's office when they can't find things. So I've learned and I've figured out what is it that they can see because we don't see the exact same thing. So that's taken us a while to figure out what they need from us so that they can pull up things at the church's office. But I got a demo, so I know what they need in order to pull things up.

And I still think some of the support staff, like I'm a big okay, it's broken, let's not just find the fix, let's figure out how we broke it, right? Because then you can not break it again. And a lot of the staff, the support we get anyway, is just like, well, here's how we get through this one situation. And with no regard to like, okay, how do we get here? And so how can we prevent it next time? It's just a, let's get through this and get you guys on your way.

A lot of that is, I'm not sure, we'll have to look into it, and then we don't really get it.

It's like this, and we'll ask for support. could we have done anything different we'll ask those follow-up questions we won't get the answer maybe it's probably nothing we did nothing we can fix but we won't get the answer either way it's just are you uh sending that information to whomever to say what your issue is so that you know it's at least notated so that Yeah, it goes through the field staff, and then they escalated it up.

So you do it through the website.

Right, but I'm saying, are you talking to someone that will document it?

Yeah, so as they are doing things, you get these follow-up emails just showing you that so-and-so sent to programming for this reason, and then programming sends it back with so-and-so issues fixed, whatever it is that they did. But I don't understand the programming side. And then I'll get the, this has been completed. So it's continuous emails of like what they had in the process.

See that, that I didn't know if the main character was involved in seeing.

We get, I think it's quarterly calls from a gal, Christy Jacobs, she's our

she's our point of contact for issues or bigger issues and stuff like that and we you know we lay stuff out every quarter where we didn't find success and uh yeah because obviously like you said you didn't want to go through something else again once you've changed and after we've worked you know with thompson reuters whoever for so long and then you go through something else i know it it's uh anywhere you don't want to change i just don't know besides what can make it better for you all besides the or do you have a suggestion on anything else that maybe commission could help with i mean we'll go to the symposium again this year as long as the schedule works out and you know hammer home some of these points that talk to other counties did you guys have this error and

find workarounds, right? You said Dickinson's had it so long that they've just learned to work around everything and work through everything. We'll get there. It's just...

But there are enhancements you can ask for, and I think May is the deadline that you can put those in. So my office, I know, does it quite often, because I'll be like, I wonder if we can do this. Hey, let's ask for this. And Crystal does that as well. So you ask for these enhancements, and Sometimes they'll have you vote on them. Sometimes they'll just automatically do it and build what you need. So I really like that aspect because you don't know what you need or what you want until you try to get it and it's just not there. So I do feel like they are very responsive on that. And like last year, I think we had four enhancements that got ran through that we specifically asked for.

One of the beneficial ones on the payroll and personnel side was when we first got CIC, you could only look employees up by their last name. Well, when employees leave and go somewhere else, sometimes we have female employees that have gotten married or divorced and their last names aren't the same anymore. And unless the company's needing a verification of employment or reference checks knew that, we didn't know how to look them up. But now we can look up by first name or last name.

can select by department we can select by you know time period so they can look information up yeah and that's why i say you know that a lot of times um you know if something doesn't work or you have a suggestion you know if it's going to benefit just you or just you or a bunch of counties and they'll either implement it for all or just specific but you're not paying for that those though that was just something to benefit them yeah yeah for their entire software program yeah that's good yeah Well, I don't know. Is there any, you know, I appreciate the update, you know, when we see these people or visit with them. But, you know, it's good to hear is it working or not with whatever problem with the personal property then. That wasn't a program problem. That was with kind of, is that right, with the values or the personal property this last time?

The report that was pulled was pulled in the wrong date so we pulled it in 25 and it should have been yeah or we pulled it in 26 and it should have been for 25. so it didn't give us the values that we needed so that was user error and that's us learning and just making sure we have those processes in place well if there's something that we can help with i appreciate the information but if there's something or a suggestion that uh

that we can use to visit with them. Or, again, with the enhancements, however it is, if you hate to pay for the cost that it was, some of that stuff should just, bottom line is, it needs to be working, not at our cost, but their cost. If there's anything else that would be more beneficial that would be considered an enhancement, because if we're different than another county or something,

You know, it'd be something to look into, certainly.

I want to do AAEs. You don't always do an abate. And you do abates, you do adds. A lot of times we do both at the same time. We'll abate it from this person's name and add it to this other person's name. You can't do those simultaneously. that would clear up for everybody i think if we could because you guys might see an abate but then there's the new ad right next to it right you can't get a picture of what's going on as opposed to debate this and wait two weeks for it to go through the process and then we'll initiate the ad on the back end are you gonna did you make a note of that to make sure that uh to share that would be a given that why would they not Well, and in Thomas and Royers, they had the balance. So if you evaded $380 and added $379, it wouldn't let you move forward until you told it why. It's handy, right? Because those kind of things happen too. And then when through a pup or something, we're rebating or sending some money back, that's then going to get applied immediately to something else. We get to do those at the same time. So everybody sees it happening. Here's part of it.

add to come later it just takes a month by the time it's all done it's crazy and it's gotten better since we're not really dealing with the numbers coming out of thompson reuters anymore once in a while we still have one that the rounding is different and then it creates scents that are just stupid for us but for the most part if everything's happening inside cic they are balancing now but Sure. So it's really just the, it's still a little bit of moving from one system, the transition from one to the other and still having old stuff that affects us a little bit.

Well, if there's not anything else, I appreciate the information. Any other concerns or anything going on?

This person puts out this picture and said does anybody know who this lady is she took a picture of my house and

Well, I looked at that and I thought, that looks like Courtney from the appraisal office.

Well, they got her shirts on.

Yeah, then they asked, you know, and she said, well, she's doing her job.

Oh, I didn't like that. Whatever.

Somebody put that on there. Wow. CIC, I think, has just taught everybody, well, try to teach them patience, which is very hard, so. But I mean, when you're going through stuff and it's like you're trying to get it done and you go so far, and I mean, we'll even run into a Jillian here because we ran into a Carla and whatever they go so far and it doesn't work and they, they can get through faster than we can. And that was, you know, last time it was, well, yeah, we got to get ahold of programming and we waited three hours. Wow. So, I mean that, you know, if we wouldn't have had somebody here, we would have probably waited days.

Yeah.

But. Well, I'm glad that she's getting them to come in for the abstract because we learned a long time ago, you know, the cost that it is to have them come in.

And luckily, we have our tech fund so we can pay it out of there. Right. Yeah.

Okay. Is there any other questions or anything? Okay. Well, we appreciate you all coming in.

Speaking of 8AE, I have some here. I am here. Is this public comment?

I'm sorry, we're pissed. We're done. Yes. Is that okay? Yes, sure. Okay.

tammy robinson finance director i just wanted to present this to you because we're working on it right now and i didn't want you to be caught off guard and not know about this which i sent you an email on it but um and i did have betsy review the document that we received to make sure everything was good on it but as you're aware we have those state historic rehabilitation tax credits that are available and they worked with greg varenberg who worked was our bond advisor when we did the hospital bond And he brought in many bids. Local banks were not interested. And so we have an agreement that we are looking to get signed today. Since that's a public billing commission, I was going to have Ken Mortenson sign this document so that we can go ahead and get those tax credits transferred. It looks like our price that we're receiving is 92.5 cents per credit. So that was the high bid. So that was great. I think we had about 20 bids and that was our highest. So, which we expected to get anywhere between 80 and 93 cents. So we're right there. So it was good. Uh, we didn't, uh, Greg Marenberg did not charge us anything for assisting us with this process. So do we need to accept that bid? I mean, you certainly can, but you did pass that regulation that gave me the authority for the day-to-day business, and so I did that as such for telling them that you would accept that. I still wanted you to be aware of it. Okay. If you want to make a motion, I don't have any.

I mean, the thing is, these are the ones that actually do. Oh, so then they would have to go through that. Yeah. I think that's it.

I feel like there's something else that I'm . So I guess I'll .

All right, thanks. Thank you. I make a motion we accept the chain order. Second. It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor? Motion carried. Thank you.

Is there any other? I got minutes from the 18th and I haven't changed it. Look at you.

I know. She's finally. She's trainable.

It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carried.

Anything else?

No, it was on the budget presentations. I can't remember. Pam said one of these days. Is it the 10th or the 11th?

The ones that you've already set up?

Well, we took four days.

Oh.

Yeah.

Because we have them in the afternoon and the third, or the evening. About 5 o'clock. 5 to 8. And then the 8th, we have it in the evening. And then the 11th, it's in the afternoon.

So the 10th is the one that we're on.

Evidently, because I don't have to say that.

Because I think she said she was able to get on.

She got everybody in. Yeah.

Okay.

And on for next week. So far, I won't be here. Trish, will we go on?

If I feel okay, I'll be on the phone. Okay.

Crystal, Gary, Public Works, and Troy is coming over for a conditional use permit for a storage facility. Pawnee Mental Health. So that's what I got for there.

I can probably be online.

Crystal did tell me she's going to send me an email on an executive session. Oh, yeah, that's right. We're going to do that.

Teresa, what did you say was fine mental health coming in for?

Yeah, I know. He just might want to come in and give a report.

I think we just need to do it. I think Crystal and I can just do it ourselves. And they request a time commitment. Just before. Kathy, do you have a problem with that? instead of us waiting on that non-elected personnel executive session that Crystal and I just handled it.

Sure, yeah, that's fine. Okay.

Because I don't want to wait two weeks for that.

Sure, yeah. Yay. Yay. Okay.

And how long is the money mental health? Is it 10 minutes?

I have been down for 15.

Because it's requested?

Yes, it's a first quarter update.

I didn't know if that was our prerogative to do 10 minutes.

No, I think when he does his budget, they have said people that get money, they want an update on it. And he goes to other counties too, so they will call or email and want in.

I just didn't know if we could set a time.

Your program doesn't do that.

No, it just does 15 at a time and that will, he knows he has 15.

Boy, he uses all of them. Yeah.

Okay, is there anything else? Okay, hearing none, then we will adjourn the meeting. Thank you Mr. Petty for coming and spending the morning with us.