City Council - Regular Meeting

I'll be like more like sell my business so I can sell my business. I always have to wait. That sounds like so fun. No, that's awesome. That's good.

Good evening everybody. Good evening everybody. We are now live. call that city GP city council regular meeting to order. This is Tuesday, March 24th at 62. Um with that house you could do that. Councelor Garcia, councelor Jazi here. Councelor Piano here. Councelor Molina here. Mayor Dean here.

If you join me al to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. a presentation of a proclamation of the city of Gallup is um it would have a proclamation and this is for the uh Colleen is here. Rome hi Colleen if you want to come up you can. It's McKinley County Early Childhood Coalition and the uh procla proclamation. Did you want to read it or do you want me to read it?

Okay. They this is this is the proclamation put together by the city of Gallup. Whereas all young children deserve quality early early learning environments that support them as capable and competent lifelong learners and nurturing parenting quality and accessible child care and early education programs build strong brains during the critical years from birth to age 5 years old. And whereas investments in babies and young children have positive impacts on creating a strong and vibrant community. And whereas McKinley County Early Childhood Coalition, UNM Early Childhood Services Center, UNM Family Development Partnership Program, the Navajo Nation Early Childhood Collaborative, along with two early intervention programs, 13 pre-natal to five home visiting and centerbased programs, three Head Start programs, seven child care centers, four parochial and consolidated public school district preschools and in conjunction with the National Association for the Education of Young Children. They're all celebrating the 55th anniversary of Week of the Young Child. And whereas these organizations are working to improve equitable learning, early learning opportunities that can provide a foundation of learning for children in Gallup, New Mexico and throughout McKinley County, New Mexico. And whereas early childhood educators and others who make a difference in the lives of young children deserves thanks, recognition, and support. And whereas the city of Gallup and

encourage and encourage encourage all citizens to join in recognizing and honoring her extraordinary service, dedication, and impact on our schools and community. Whereas the public policies that support early learning for all young children are crucial to New Mexico's families, communities, and economy. Now therefore, I, Mayor Mark Depali, and city councilors Linda Garcia, Sierra Yazi Osamoa Tutu, Sierra Piano, and Ronolina to hereby proclaim the April 10th through the 17th, 2006 as the week of the young child. Thank you very much.

Awesome. with that. Colleen, this is the the proclamation. This is to go with your affairs. Okay. Thank you so much, Colleen. Thank you for your question. Thank you. I'll share

with mess up my door lock. No one has keys. Yeah. Focus is there on my desk for yesterday. Okay. Excuse the delay. All right. Um, now if we could have comments by uh by the public on nonaggenda items. Anybody out there? Yes. Come on up here. Hello. My name is Labor Pinger

and I'd like to talk about our public library here in Gallup, New Mexico. It seems to be something we've been talking about improving for many years, but there seems to be no improvement for many years. Uh I'm a friend of the library. I I just came from there. There was a AI session going on which I'm instrumental in AI technologies here for Gallup New Mexico. Gallup's on the preis of developing some very special cryptography and technologies in the AI arena space. I have been publicly acknowledged as the world's first AI astronaut for meta open-source AI. Uh therefore, I'm not only looking for this for my community, I'm actually personally involved in the AI arena and I believe that the future of Gallup's children and future business environment is predicated on education. That's all. I know this has been an ongoing situation for the last 20 years and they're looking for two and a half acres of space here in downtown Gallup, which is a little bit hard to come by. I just wanted to bring this to the council's attention and I think it's an imperative for Gallup's future that we expand upon our current library.

Thank you very much. end. Okay, next item is the the presentationformational items and this is about the 2026 city of Gallup. It's a drought update. We're not officially in a drought, right, John? But and speak and officially officially we are in a drought. Official not officially, but

good evening mayor and council and I have a presentation for you if we can get it up on the screen. Uh this is an annual thing that I do um for city council um just to kind of give you an update on what the drought's currently like. Um and basically we're doing this in preparation for the Fourth of July season. So for the newer members of the council um the reason why we do this in New Mexico there's a New Mexico Fireworks Licensing and Safety Act which is chapter 60 article 2C and basically allows a jurisdiction to restrict fireworks based on two different principles. um that act does not allow any local jurisdiction to ban all fireworks. So we nobody has the power to ban all fireworks. So we're going to have to have some we have to allow a certain level of fireworks. But if we want to restrict them, we have two different ways we can do that. The first one is an ordinance. So that would be up to city council to pass an ordinance to restrict certain fireworks. And that act actually tells us based on an ordinance which fireworks we can restrict and which ones we cannot. The other one that we use to restrict fireworks is a proclamation declaring a severe extreme drought during drought conditions. And now are you trying to get that?

And and council, you have the presentation in front of you, correct? Yeah.

So, we watch the weather very closely and this is the way that we've been restricting fireworks over the last several years is using that proclamation. um to use that proclamation has to be based on the National Weather Service and the United States Forest Service and it has to be done in a very specific time frame. So the law requires us to be issued the proclamation be issued no less than 20 days prior to the holiday for which fireworks may be sold and for the 4th of July they're allowed to sell them between June 20th and July 6th. If we move forward with that proclamation at a later date, that proclamation is only good for 30 days. So, it's always an issue with the time with city council meetings and how long the proclamation is going to last for. So, sometimes we have to issue the proclamation to extend it. It all just depends on the the calendar and the meetings. So, if you go to the next slide, you'll see last year's drought conditions. Um, so this is from the National Drought Monitoring uh center and this map is from March 27, 2025. And if you look at the next one, you'll see this is the current drought conditions from March 12th, 2026. And if you notice from last year to this year, overall the state is in less of a drought than we were last year, which is pretty weird because it seems like we had a very dry win.

Yeah.

The problem is is it's very early in the year and you're seeing that we're already seeing record-breaking uh heat. So I have a an idea that this drought is just going to get worse. Okay. But currently al if you go to the next slide again this is the map from 2026. So right now we are in a severe drought. So we were going to move forward with the proclamation closer to the 4th of July. We would be asking the city council to do the proclamation based on our severe drought conditions. So if you go to the next slide. So the national integrated drought information system. So according to them, 100% of McKinley County is in a drought, which is impacting a little over 71,000 people. So 100% of McKinley County is in certain some level of a drought. It is the 42nd driest February on record over the past 132 years. So we're at 29 in below normal and the 51st driest year to date over the past 132 years between January and February. And we're about half an inch below normal from where we should be. Okay, next slide. This is the drought outlook. This comes from the National Weather Service, the Climate Prediction Center. So, basically what they're looking at from kind of now until the end of May is that the drought's going to persist. All right, which means it's just going to get worse. And you can see that dark brown is where the drought persist. So most of New Mexico, the drought's just going to stay. All right, and then the the yellow section is areas where the drought's probably going to develop if they're not in a current drought. The next slide, this comes from the National Inter Agency Fire Center. This kind of looks at fire weather. So, this is for March 2026. So, if you're looking for the items in the red, that looks at significant wildland fire potential. And what that means is if a a fire starts in a wooded area or a grassy area that the fire has more potential to get out of control, the fire behavior is going to be erratic. So, that's where we get these significant fires, these, you know, very large fires. There's actually one going

on in Valencia County today. It's already over 120 acres and they're evacuating houses. The fires in some of these areas just get out of control extremely fast. So, right now we are not in a significant wildland fire potential area, but that doesn't mean we don't have wildland fires. We we've already had several in the city over the last several weeks. Um I mean the fires are moving, but we're able to get to them pretty fast. But we're just looking at weather conditions that once we get into the red, we may see severe fire conditions. If we go to the next slide, it's going to be for April. You can see that it kind of moves around the country. We're still not in that area. If we go to May, which is the next slide, it kind of starts moving to the southwest. And then if we look at June, the McKenzie County and Gallup area are in the significant wildland fire potential area. I didn't put the one in there for July because they haven't predicted that yet. So, what again what we're looking for is we're we're in a drought. We're already in a severe drought. Um, if the weather holds, I mean, with the heat that we're having in long range weather, we're going to have some cooler temperatures over this weekend, but we're not really looking at any precipitation. Um, if we do get any precipitation right now, unless it's a lot, it's just a little bit of precipitation right now causes the grass to grow a little bit or the weeds to grow a little bit in a lot of areas. um they grow a little bit taller and then they dry out and that just causes more fire potential for us because there's more fuel to burn. So, we're going to be watching this extremely careful and if we stay in a severe extreme drought, you will see me later, probably sometime at the end of May or June to come to you to ask for a proclamation to be signed restricting fire loops. Um and if we do that, the community has a lot of questions on what fireworks get restricted. We get tons of calls every year for illegal fireworks. Um, just to let the council know, especially the newer members. So, every fireworks tent in Gallup has to be inspected or every fireworks tent in the state of New Mexico or distributor of fireworks has to be inspected twice. The

state fire marshall inspects them once and we inspect them. The Gallup Fire Department, we inspect them. And then everybody that sells fireworks in Gallup, we do surprise inspections. So, we make sure if they have fireworks that are restricted or illegal, we make sure they pull them off the shelf and don't sell them. All right? or we can actually take away their fireworks license to sell. So, we're inspecting those tents. So, if you if we are if we do move forward and we restrict fireworks if you buy them from a a seller inside the city, those fireworks are allowed to be used inside the city. And again, we get lots of questions like why are the mortars are allowed? And there's a whole science behind it that I don't want to get into tonight. Um it it's pretty weird how we some get restricted and some don't, but we just have to follow the state law. And with that, I'll stand for any questions.

Chief Eric, I just one of the questions I I'm not familiar with the National Inter Agency Fire Center in Boise. Is that the is that about the only place we can get this predictive or the data and then the predictions?

So basically, we gather this information from multiple different things. Uh the National Weather Service provides us a lot of information. What the National Inter Agency Fire Center does is this is usually used by forestry agencies like the National Forest Service. They're really looking at fire behavior weather um not just like drought weather and all that stuff. So we look at that to figure out what's kind of our outlook if we do get fires in this area. What's the behavior going to be and how they're going to act? Um, if we get into like severe fire conditions where the fires are are behaving erratically or they're getting they're growing extremely fast, we actually increase our staffing on those days. Is there any other predictive models that you know of?

Uh, we just use the drought monitoring and then from the the National Weather Service, the drought monitor and then also the the National Weather Service has a bunch of information. Thank you. You're welcome. Any other questions? Thank you, mayor and counsel. Thank you. Thank you. Sure.

Uh the next item is the continuing with our housing information presentation and I think we might have presentation. Oh my god. Good evening, council. I am here tonight to talk to you again about housing. And I think we mentioned it before, but this isn't really a actually this one is more about what relates to Gallup

as both good and what the direction we can go in. Um, thank you. Do you want to click onto the next thing? We're going to talk about Silver City today because they less than 10,000 people. They have made some really progressive moves with their land development standards, their zoning codes in the last year and kind of looking between them and us, what they've done, what we can learn from them, and in some ways how we're we're better than them. So, we're well, other towns are just legalizing small backyard homes and mostly they're deciding they need to be under 750 square ft. Gallup has already codified an 800 square foot standard. So, you can build a an accessory dwelling unit in your backyard up to 800 square ft. And that extra space is critical because it allows for a difference between a cramped studio apartment and someplace that is comfortable, two-bedroom, ADA accessible, um, a good place for a senior, possibly a small family. We aren't just here to play catch-up. We're here to activate the superior tools we already have on the books. Thank you. because we already know because we already allow 800 square foot accessory dwelling units. It's much easier just to say houses. I might just say house. Um we have a massive opportunity. The next step is making it easy to build these homes. By finalizing pattern books, pre-approved designs that fit this 800 square foot or smaller footprint. We remove the architectural and engineering hurdles for our residents. We make it so that a local homeowner can become a small-scale developer, providing a home for a teacher, a nurse, or an elder in their backyard.

Every time we run a new water meter, water line to the edge of town, it costs taxpayers money to maintain. Silver City focuses on infill, which we've talked about last month, building on vacant lots that they already have. Gallup is actually a step ahead here. Our new standards require a utility service agreement up front, which I had to look up to find out what that was. Basically, it says that you can attach basically it's the city goes out, checks out the pipes that are already there, and says you can have this much service available to you. So, you're not going to build a mansion on some place that only has room for a two-bedroom cottage because you won't have the sewer or the water or anything else. This ensures that as we add density, we aren't overwhelming our pipes. We're building a more sustainable tax base by maximizing the infrastructure that we have already paid for. When we talk about the most vulnerable members of our community, we have to talk about an exit strategy from a shelter. Our 800 square ft cottages are the perfect size for a permanent support of housing unit. And because our land development standards allow for administrative signoff through the planning and zoning department on these types of projects, we can move faster to house sen our seniors and those in transition. We're shifting from a managing a crisis to providing a permanent home. And this really makes more sense than, you know, putting up a whole new apartment complex somewhere. We're going to put everybody that's homeless. Um, every that would cause a lot of people to squawk. If you put a a small house in your backyard and rent it to someone, that's not a big deal to most people. The message today is one of momentum. We already have a better standard than Silver City. We already have the administrative tools in our land

development standard. Our goal now is to activate these rules by finalizing pre-approved plans and encouraging infill. We make Gallup the gold standard for housing in New Mexico. We have the foundation. Let's build the future. And I am here for questions. Well, Tammy, thank you so much. As usual, you know, these really open our eyes. We got to continue think housing. Um, but also remember with the land development standards too, so everybody knows any developers out there that the city will purchase the material. If it's infill um, and there has to be an extension of water and sewer, let's say blockto block, whatever it is to cover the frontage, the city will purchase the material. That's great.

The contract, the developer or the contractor has to pay for the installation, but the city will purchase. That's in our land development standards. That's fabulous. All right. All we need to do is get some folks building some houses. That's exactly right. Anybody else question?

Um, so on the presentation when you were talking about administrative speed, Gallup's move toward administrative signoff for infill allows nonprofits to bypass months of public hearing. I don't I guess I don't really understand what what you're like what that is. I this is not highly Gallup appropriate. We don't tend to have, you know, if you're just trying to build a 2,000 square foot home, there's probably not going to be months of administrative mores, but in a lot of places there is. And it depends on what you're trying to build and if there's a view that you're going to be blocking or, you know, any of these these kind of things. with these house plans. If we have all of these, say we have six to eight different plans, if you build one of these houses in your backyard, pretty much planning and zoning can just just check off on it because they already have these plans. They've already done the engineering on it. They already know what to expect and they can say, "Yeah, this is great. This will work." So, you don't have to go through anything really other than this is what I want to do. You already have the plans. You gave them to me. I want to build that one. Okay. So, I mean, we're not really I mean, this isn't this isn't really an issue right now currently for us to build.

Yeah. It's not we what I hear that the the longest problems are between the state and the, you know, all the different entities talking to each other in their inspections like, you know, if you do this, then we'll approve you. Oh, well, you did that, but then this other guy says you didn't do this. Yeah,

that's kind of the problem. And so, that's what we're going to have to work on. But as far as our policies are pretty sound. So I you know I I appreciate all the presentations and I think it's interesting. What I what I want to see for the council and for the community is more specific action of like like I like that we're changing upgrading the manual. I think that's super helpful. I think that's an action step, right? I I guess I want to see more of like what the action steps are. So, I mean, we're these are all this is all more information, but like where are we at with, you know, talking to the community about, hey, you could build this or what are we doing with could we I'm just throwing this out there like I know there's communities all over that do come like tiny homes, housing development, um that's easier to build. I'm not I'm not saying that's what we do. to saying I would like to see these steps of what we're talking about and then move that into actual action because if a year from now we're still all here having the same conversation and we've built nothing.

Yeah. It's just going to that's going to be a problem, right? And Sarah, thank you so much. And that's that's and if you'll see later in the agenda, we're going to actually have a building department inspector and and then also city engineer so we can start u putting things together for housing. Yeah, we are working on it. We have a plan. You want

another Sarah? The point of this is to give you guys some information. I mean, I think what happens too often is that sounds great. Let's just do it. And so, I don't want to see that happen. You really need to understand like the concept of infill. We've talked about it for a long time, but nobody really gets specific about that. The idea of um doing pre-approved plans, we have not talked about that. So I think what I want you all to know is just what's happening in different communities and then we can do action. I just I think that it's too easy to just say let's do that that'll that'll work when we haven't really vetted it out. So the purpose of the presentation is to give you information before we jump in. And I mean I think it's clear infill is the way we should be going. pre-approved plans are a good idea, but that's the purpose of this, to expose you rather than to say, "Hey, we're building 50 houses."

I mean, we're not there yet. We need to make sure you're all in agreement with the direction we should go and we're not doing just kind of quick um not well thought out and but I I get we don't want inact action but there's a fine line between the two where you all get some information about a clear direction that's going to be successful. So that's the point of the presentations.

I tend to be somebody when my mother has sold real estate for her entire life. So, I've when when I go out with my husband and we look at houses cuz we just like to do that cuz we've got mom and that's what we do. I'm always like, "Oh, this is cool. Let's move here. This is awesome." It's very easy to say that when you don't have the whole picture. So, it's much easier if somebody comes in and says, "We're going to build 100 houses over here and we just need you to run out, you know, eight miles of pipe and it's all going to be great." Oh, yay. They're going to build something. Let's just build that. This is to help you kind of go, hm, maybe that's not the best way we could do it. It's exciting that somebody would want to build it, but maybe there's a better way to work it for Gallup so that it fits our needs better. So that's what we're doing.

Yeah. No, I appreciate that. It's a great first step. So this is exactly the one I need to get started. So this is a great presentation, a great first I appreciate that. Thank you. I just follow up on that. So you said pre-approved plan earlier and then you're talking about the administrative signoffs or are those the same thing? or are the administration asked for the infill and then what's the pre-approved plan? I guess I'm not related. A pre a pre-approved plan would mean that they're already kind of vetted through the planning department. Okay.

And so that's where it would expedite the speed of the process is that the the planning department and the permitting per department would already agree on yes, these are pre-approved plans. You can come here. Let's say you want an an accessory dwelling. Here's three plans related to that. and we haven't really had a conversation yet with planning. I just want to bring it out here how so um we don't have that currently but I think that could be a successful direction we need to bring everybody to the table and this is the first step but pre-approved plans can expedite because you've already said as long as you follow this set this design principles these building techniques you're ready to go.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I just want to get clarification on the because I know we don't have it right now. So I was just like what would that be look like? We can do inel now but sorry. Okay, awesome. Thanks. Point at the followup question. Um, have you been able to gather any data on on demand for this kind of housing? People who want it are willing and ready and able to uh seek it out and purchase it. Is there a demand side to this niche market that you can identify? Yes. Uh uh Richard did a housing I can't remember his exact name for it, but last year he presented y'all with this big housing thing that he did

and they kind of asked a couple of leading questions and they were like would you rather live in an apartment or a single family home? Surprisingly everyone wanted a house which I mean who's going to say I want an apartment? But we know for a fact that we've got a whole lot of people families have gotten smaller. um you've got a lot more elderly people and we've got a lot of homeless people. And what happened is it used to be that there was these rooming houses you could go to. We didn't have much money. You could live in Miss Omell's house and you know for $200 a month you've got a bed and a door and a bathroom.

And we don't have those anymore. they became illegal when we also um got rid of all of our our all I can think of is pjorative terms. Um and we got rid of all of our mental health health facilities, inpatient facilities. They sort of said we're not going to fund that anymore. Those people went out on the streets and then we said we're going to get rid of the rooming houses because those are flop houses and they're bad and people just do drugs. And so there's nowhere for people to go. if you don't have the money, you're pretty much homeless. So, we have a lot of elders now that are out on the streets homeless. Um, and they're not I mean, I think it was I recently read that it's 25% of the homeless that are actually substance abusers. That means there's 75% of them aren't. They're just our grandmas and grandpas. And that's sad. I mean, no one should not have a house, but there is a lot of need for it. It would be something that would fill a niche that right now there is nothing for even if you're just talking a single mom and a couple of kids.

I saw a thing on there through somebody I know in another state and um I can send it to you but it was really interesting. I looked it up. I forget what state it was but they did this whole I don't know if it's possible but they this whole like kind of housing development was it was tiny homes. It was like through storage units like those big um containers

but they do like these tiny houses but it was like a village but then it was a nonprofit though that started it and what they did was they provided services for like um treatment and um food insecurities like in the housing place but they were all they it was kind it almost I say it looked like a jail but it was all like enclosed right but then everyone had their own little space or tiny home and then there was like a common area but they provided these services in addition. I I don't know. I just thought that was so cool and I thought, man, let me call that city and see how they made that work. I mean, it was an it was an outside group that did it, but I know the city worked with them. So, just a thought. I have subscribed to Dwell magazine for years and it's kind of an upscale architecturally thing. They had a thing this past month about what's it like to live in one of these tiny home villages for people that are transitioning out of homelessness. And it was really interesting. I got into Silver City because originally it was given to me by Matt in um tourism. He'd said when I was down there they had this thing and it was really cool and I had looked all that up. I can't find anything about that. So I don't know what happened. Um we've also talked with the people at the nonprofit that we're doing some training with right now and they've said that there's there's it's a difficult thing to do. Um we definitely would need a nonprofit partner to to work with us on it. But I I love the idea. If it's something that we could get to pencil out, I think it would be a wonderful answer. And I I would love to live in a tiny house.

Well, thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. Y'all have a good night. We look forward to the next one. Um the the next item is consent agenda. Um these items are placed on the on the consent agenda of the city council can designate by unanimous consent those routine items they wish to be approved or acknowledged by one motion. If any one item does not meet the approval of all city council members or if a citizen also requests it will be heard as a separate item. Um with that we have one two three items set up on consent agenda. I think I hear anything. Yes, I'll read it. Thank you.

Consent agenda item number one, approval of minutes of the special meeting of January 20th, 2026, the regular meeting of January 27th, 2026. Consent agenda item number two, budget adjustment for museum division. And consent agenda item number three, youth conservation core, YCC grant award and budget adjustment. I would like to say make a motion to approve items one and three. Second.

Councelor Molina. Yes. Councelor. Yes. Councelor Garcia. Yes. Councelor Yazy. Yes. Mayor Depal. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um I um the only reason I wanted to pull your budget adjustment for the museum division is just because the museum division is fairly new with the expanded department and I just want the public to kind of have some more information about how you guys are doing, how it's going. If you could talk about the full-time museum clerk and the work that they're doing a little bit, I think that would be helpful. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. Um, so yeah, we were Give your name.

Oh, sorry. My name's Elena Noland. I'm the exhibitions and public programming curator for the city. You're welcome.

Um, so yeah, we just didn't just a few months ago transferred Vera from the senior center actually um to be the museum clerk. we'd been looking for somebody um just mostly to help take off the load, some of the load of being forward facing all of the time for me because I was the only museum employee. Um and she's been absolutely fantastic. She's doing a whole lot of research right now because she's never worked in museums. So we're doing a lot of training um webinars, classes online um just kind of best practices on engaging the public, you know, visitor guided um interactions and we will have a laptop soon which will be fantastic for her. Um, and the plan is to have her out because we're doing most of our work right now at the museum at Red Rock Park to have her there as a dosent uh to make sure we're getting accurate visitation numbers because we definitely aren't there during the week. Um, it is also a consistent problem when I go out there during the week that the county has opened the building and there's no one in it. It's just happened again. Um,

so she's out there all the time at Red Rock Park. She will be. Right now we're um waiting to get tech cuz it's not I don't want her to have to sit there and not be able because she also helps me with data entry. Um she's direct for D. Right. Okay. Yeah. Um but yeah, that's where we're moving. She's going to have interactive um education tables out every day and just engage the public a little bit more. Any other questions? Any more questions? Any other questions? My only question is, and I feel like I always ask this question. I should probably know by now, but do we just not when we moved her, we just didn't move her whole a whole salary for her. We just moved a portion. Is that why we're just needing to they're remaining?

There was none moved because she came from the senior center and their funding is unique. Okay. And actually, mine didn't was in the library either. So, we're working on that right now, too. But that didn't need council for that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Motion. Motion to approve the budget adjustment for museum division. Second. Councelor Yazing. Yes. Councelor Piano. Yes. Councelor Garcia. Yes. Councelor Molina. Yes. Mayor DeFal. Yes.

Okay. Our next is the discussion action topics. And now we're going to have a this will be with Vince Alonzo, parks and rec director. This is a budget adjustment request. Vince, come on up.

Good evening, Mayor Council, ladies and gentlemen, fellow staff members. Yes. The item before you for the YCC The city of Gallup has been awarded 218,000 uh $218,89 from the state of New Mexico for the 2025 2026 youth conservation program year. Oh, I think different G1 G1 not very. Okay. So, we're doing the Yeah, the walls. All we need is another brick in the wall. Okay. I didn't see us go I didn't see us going to the Sorry if we did we were fast. Okay. Okay, guys.

Sorry. Next time we'll call you for that one, too. There. Okay. Anyway. Yeah. Don't bring it up. I vote it down. No. Okay. No. No.

Okay. The park department The park department is requesting a budget adjustment to to increase funds to build a concrete retaining wall at Joe Vargas Veteran Memorial Complex. The wall will the wall will be built along the hillside just west of the girls softball field and stafy little leagues little league fields. This wall will help preserve these fields from the from the dirt that washes into the into them when we have heavy rains or snowfall. The DFA has approved the use of the remaining $73,850 from project number 2411 from the from the grant. The proposal total is 164,655. Therefore, we are short 90,000 90,85. The fiscal impact is $90,85 from the parks cannabis fund to cover the shortfall. Um, mayor counselors, for the benefit of councelor Yazy, uh, in June of 23, the council approved the recreation of cannibal the cannabis excise tax solely for parks capital improvements. So, that's where this is coming from. Um, in April, two, it's already two years ago, now in April, that we've we put $1.9 million into the into the four fields at Joe Vargas Complex. We did four fields. we had this money left. Um like the light up says, we did the DFA did approve it. This is needed. Uh we've had many many times where that water has rain mud has washed right onto the field of little girls and it causes severe damage and that is hard to get off. So it is much needed. I appreciate uh Lisa Santiago for working on this and I think it's money well spent. we have. It's the best thing we can do to protect our investment.

Well, yeah, Vince, thank you so much. You know, that um protecting the the parks is so important over there, the Ford canyon end of the sports complex. You know, you you put a million dollars of turf on the field and then uh you have it the big rain event, wash a bunch of sand and dirt on it, takes forever to clean it up. And this is a and this protects two fields pretty much forever. So, I sure appreciate it and it's really think it's a good idea. Um, Ron, would you Yeah, I'm just going to kind of reiterate what you said. Um, this area is between the Veterans Building and the Girl Softball Park. Is that

No, sir. It's a little further. It's a little It's actually right just west of Little League Field and and Little Girls Field. Okay. And right there you got that big hill that comes down um from Matt Long's prop where his home is and that mud just washes straight down. And my question is they both have new turf. Mark just said that right. How much money do we have tied up in turf? New turf. Oh 1.9 million. Yeah. So it's easy smart insurance, right? I'm sorry. Smart insurance move. Yes sir. Protect our fields.

Yes sir. And also just for the benefit of councelor Yazy that um that was a 19 and a and an 18-year wait for we had two fields that were done in 2004 and two fields that were done in 2005. So we waited a long time. We definitely want to protect them. Vince, how long is the wall? Like how how long? So it's going to be about 225 linear feet. 225 ft. 200 225 linear feet. Oh, really? Did you ask the length of the wall? Yeah. Yeah. It's going to run all the way from That's long. Third base dugout part. Yeah.

All the way to Little League Field. Oh, wow. Okay. And then I This is just neither here nor there. So, if you can't answer it, but I I think it's great. We're putting the cannabis. We voted on that. How do you know how much is left in the cannabis sponge? Just out of curiosity. Or what's in there now? Um, I'm gonna put my experts in the ruling, but um, I'll let her answer that so she don't throw something at me.

Okay, no problem. I'm just curious because I know there's a lot of projects that need to be done for the park. So, I was just curious in there. I'm thinking we got about 900,000 for you when we have our manage work sessions coming. Okay. You got 89. Can't wait. It's a great I think it's a a great idea and it's been needed for years and years and it's really a safety issue also. Yeah,

I know my kids played in this journey for years and a lot of scraps and rules. Thank you. I'd like to make a motion if everybody's done. Motion to approve park budget adjustment and equation. Second. Councelor Molina. Yes. Councelor Yazy. Yes. Councelor Garcia. Yes. Councilor Piano. Yes. Mayor Paul. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Council. Thank you. Thank you, Vince. We'll add that to the budget. add to the budget.

Um, our next item is our building department budget and budget transfer for the fourth quarter of 2026 and our speaker on that will be city manager Frank Japeti. Thank you, Mayor Council. Um, we we've had a new CBO on staff for about two weeks. Um, he's already started hitting the ground running. um meeting with all the electrical contractors, plumbing contractors, uh general contractors in the area, see where we're at. I'm I'm happy to say he's coming from an area that has pre-plans, so he he's already addressing that. And actually talking with Gallup used to have it. Yeah,

we used to have pre-plans. Um you you look at them the Midmore house, you know, they had four or five style houses and you you picture one you wanted and they went out and built it. All we had to check was set back where the electrical is connecting where the water's sewer's connecting and your permits issue. Ram bam get get to building. Um that that builder has pulled out even though there's three more segments there to build. He's already making contact with those to to reconnect with those and and make those type of discussions. Um this this portion here though is to realign the department. Um it's been under planning and zoning for many years which it is different than what most places do it going back to the old system where the building permitting department um from building to inspection is is separate. So it'll be an adjustment to the organizational chart. Um and then we would like to bring in our own um electrical and um the plumbing mechanical inspector. Right now, those are done through the state. And I think you've already heard from the housing presentation. This is where a lot of the miscommunication, the lack of communication, the holdups get done. Um, especially when those inspectors from the state are coming four times a year. I mean, four times a month. Um, pretty much, um, we'd like to bring it in house. Um, we would like to be collecting those. Um, right now the state collects the electrical, plumbing, mechanical fees and then comes up and provides us the the service of inspection. We can provide quicker inspections. We can provide more consistent inspections and and by by charging the fees and having them to the city um that will help pay for these positions. Um so this right here is is moving them in the

organizational chart to be under the um kind of realigning it to these these salaries. Um, of course with the additive positions, these are field workers. They need vehicles. Um, they're they're going to have to the requirements for the electrical and the mechanical um plumbing must be a journeyman with so many years of experience and then go take their test. So, you know, we we like to put the travel training portion in there so they can take the test. supplies. We'll have some new printing costs. Right now, the state has all the block tags, all the the electrical green tags, etc. We'd have to start making those. Um, so it's a little bit to get this set up to do this service ourselves. Um, I mislabelled by saying it's a new department. It's really the same stuff we're doing. Um, just doing it bigger, providing more services and, um, getting better services. I am going to say the fiscal impact there is wrong. Frank cut and pasted from the wrong line item. Um when this was forwarded to me, I cut and pasted from the year total instead of quarter four total. So it's going to be 150,800 for the fourth quarter, not 383,000. We counted a full year salary. We're going to pay them a full year salary for one quarter.

Yeah.

Uh they would have loved it. um that we're also looking to move this offsite. Um right now part of our customer services is you come in, you apply for your permit, if you have a electrical water uh question, you go across the street, knock on the door and wait for them to come down and you go upstairs and cog come back across the street how many times. Um, you're ready to get your permit, you go upstairs, you get a invoice, you take it downstairs, you make your payment, you go back upstairs, you get your permit, and you leave. Um, we're look actually looking at stops to possibly do our utility payments, everything in in a one-stop shop type thing. Um, right now, tough parking on the street, um, people having to walk half a block to come in to make their payments. We'd like to get it to where they could be possible drive up. So possibly combining the two together to to better economy of services, but better off we can put in every one of our inspectors, our public works or engineer, which is the next line, everything there. So where you go into one spot, you have all your questions from office to office, cubicle to cubicle, whatever it's set up. Start on one end, go down the other end, use your credit card, make the payment, out the door. better service, smoother, better line, better communication, less silos. That's what I'm looking at. So, I'd be happy to stand for any questions.

I have a question, mayor. Um, first of all, thanks for making the correction so we're not paying um our this new staff of outrageous amount. Well, I wouldn't approve I wouldn't approved it. So, um, but also along with that, I think we did talk to, and you just didn't mention it, about the 72,000 estimated off-site rent. This seems outrageously high for rent. I think you mentioned to me already that that might have been a miscalculation and we were looking at a much lower rent. So, I just wanted to follow up, correct, that cut and pasted from the year on that one, too. We're looking at possibly about 37,000 fourth quarter. And again, you'd like to do

for fourth quarter for the year. Was it fourth quarter? That's still four times 37,000, which would be so our rent. So, you're talking about our We're looking at a large side building. If you're looking at your utility payments, um you're looking at office space for probably 8 to 10 people. Um we're looking at a larger larger very larger spaces. So, we're looking at anywhere from 8 to 12,000 a month. Okay. I think this is estimated right around 125. But you're saying 37,000 would be the year, not for fourth quarter. 3 months 1224 36. I budgeted on the high end.

So 37. So you're talking 148,000 the year for rent. If if it comes in at 12125. Yes. We're still in negotiations with several different buildings.

I'm for me. Yeah. I just I guess I I want to have more discussion on that. I like I like that you I was going to ask you how many people would be in this new location. I don't know that we even have the space currently where planning and zoning is to have 8 to 10 people added. And I'm fine with the salary now that we broke it down for fourth quarter. That comes out to like 88,000 I think for EL and PI's position. That make makes sense to me. But having rent for a year for 147,000 just seems astronomical. So I guess I'm leerary about that one. I'd love to hear more from maybe the other council members and what they think. Right.

Uh are we renting just as a temporary thing? I know we need to put them someplace, right? Until we get a new city hall. Good. Good. Our our goal is to build a new city's hall that is is a one-stop shop for all departments type thing. Um versus across the street, upstairs, downstairs, basement, spread around. Um we'd love to have one one-stop shop, city hall type thing. Um so this could be a three to five 10 year. Who knows?

I got another comment from which Frank's talking about. He's not blowing any smoke. he's uh you know I have to come pull permits and I I get frustrated you know uh my wife comes and buys and pulls my permits for me anymore. Thank God for my wife but it is a very frustrating thing. You hear it from all the contractors. Uh not just that but a lot about pulling permits. It it it's time consuming and uh I mean it's all about money with a contractor. We're not city employees. Every hour of the day has to be productive or you lose money. That's the name of the game. Uh with government, it's it's not an issue. But uh in the private se sector, especially construction, every hour of the day is valuable, you know. And when coming out here and you catch somebody at lunch, now you're talking two or three hours full of permit. That's money. That's time off of my back that uh is would have been used for something else besides uh pulling permits. So the necessity of this department is uh very important to Gallup and mostly it's important to the future of Gallup. Uh you talk to any contractor, any contractor is going to complain about pulling permits in Gallup. It's a nightmare. This is the first step to streamlining that process among other steps, but this is the first most important step. Uh until we get contractors in town, that last job over on Neon, how many contractors do did we have uh putting in a bid? Somebody answered two.

Thought it was just one for the intersection. Right. Right. Um I think we had two two contractors on a $3 million job. 4.3

4.3 two contractors have that bid on it. Uh and the point I'm trying to make people, we got to make it a lot easier, a lot conducive to our contractors. We've already lost them all. We're trying to fix something that we've lost. Uh I hope that everybody understands what I'm trying to say. Uh but that's the fact is we got to make things uh more contractor friendlier. We're we started already making our city more citizen friendly, friendlier to our citizens and that's going well, but now we got to work on our contractors. Thank you.

So, I understand the need for streamlining and for good customer service. I think it is a good vision to kind of move reorganize that part of what we do. To me, the uh current proposal for doing this in the fourth quarter feels a little bit rushed and especially when we're talking about kind of shifting the arc chart. I would like us to slow down a little bit and um I think we owe it to the taxpayers in who are funding those things to consider it and in lie of the whole fiscal year 27 budget that we're about to look at and approve and I think we owe it to other departments as well that have just worked really hard to put together their budgets for next year that we fit this into the context of that discussion for the upcoming fiscal year that we're just three months away from a new budget year that um we could then look at how much budget we have to give this new department and also um I don't know that we'll have the salary uh data yet or salary studies wage studies that HR is working on but I do think that um we know that we're going have them eventually. We know where they're going to go. We already have the CBO. I know we used to have a city engineer and so that's sort of coming back, right? So, the whole picture makes sense to me and I do think it's a smart move. I just don't think we need to rush it. And I think that we kind of owe it to both the current staff and the constituents to slow this decision down and to make it part of our overall budget discussion for next year and for seeing where do we have that extra money

for that much rent um to put them somewhere new or can we look at what any of our buildings that might work for that that we currently own. I I do assume Frank that you've done your due diligence on that part of like considering where where it's possible and what makes sense. Um but also the information that we have here um is pretty minimal. You know, I would really like to see like how many of these inspections are happening in the city every month and then how would that um as we talk about these positions bringing kind of paying for themselves or possibly bringing money to the city that's currently going elsewhere. Can we look at that over an estimate over the course of a year to understand how will they really how much money can we expect to see these bird? So, if that makes sense. feel like I'm stumbling over it a little bit, but that if we do expect them to have that much financial benefit, can we step back and kind of look at like picture of a whole year and think a little bit more smartly about how much money we want to give to creation of this new department and where they're going to be housed and the longer term vision. So, I know that we are eager to post the jobs and start recruiting. Um, however, given that we have been living without these positions for a while now, um, I don't think it will really hurt us to just slow down for a few months and wait until we take a look at the broader budget for next year. So, that's my feeling right now is it's important to I appreciate it. Um, you know, one of the problems in Gallup is we have slowed down.

Yes, sir. We haven't built a new house in five years, you know. So, e even to get the data, you know, to do this is is nearly impossible. You know, how we don't even have we don't even have a house to use the data. So, I mean, we you know, we we've been really slow. We haven't we haven't built any houses. And I think, you know, and I understand what you're saying. We'd like to look at it, but that data is not even there. That's how that's how staged the city like about the EI and PI that come out from the state. Frank said four times a month, you know, like that of how much how many of the inspections are currently being done right now.

Like how much are we paying for those contracts that we would save if we got internal people? Um, yeah, that that is something that we could probably get those numbers off of a remodel or a rehab or a commercial building. Well, we know how much we're contracting though. We know We know how much we're contracting though, right? With the state to with the state. Um, we don't contract state contractor. The contractor does that. Is paying people to do it. They would be paying the city instead to do it. That's what I'm interested in is how much would they be paying us and how much do we expect to bring in every month because of that fee that we would then gain. Dave's got a question.

Yes. Well, it's it's really more of an observation and I want to be clear. I'm not speaking to the merits of this at all. I think there's a lot of merit to it and I think it it you know my my opinion on the merits really doesn't matter. Uh but I have taken a look at article four of the charter that deals with the city's budget and as you all know the the charter requires that the council adopt an annual budget. the council adopt that budget through a public hearing process and we've done that every year. Uh and it contemplates that after the public hearing adjustments and changes can be made to the annual budget but once the annual budget is adopted it will govern for the fiscal years. Now that's a pretty rigid structure at least on the face of we all know that emergencies happen. We all know that changes occur that aren't foreseeable the time you adopt the budget. We all know that things come up that that may need adjustment and it has routinely been the case that council has adjusted the budget just did so this meeting and it happens routinely. The question the elements posed is where is the line between a budget adjustment and some step concerning the budget that really is or qualifies as a new budget or new budget item. And the the charter doesn't answer that question. uh but one can think of it in terms of the purpose uh of a public hearing and the purpose uh of having an annual budget. The line at least as far as legal here is concerned sort of breaks down along are we talking of it about spending or changing spending on a

matter that's already budgeted on a line item or a project that already is approved on a department that already exists etc. or are we talking about creating something new, new positions, new department? Now, in this case, it's not entirely clear. You got a new department. It's sort of an amalgam of existing personnel and departments, uh, but it's going to be a new department on the organizational chart, and you're talking about new positions. Okay. Does that cross the line between an adjustment and a what is in effect a new budget that um disturbs the annual budgeting process that the pal that the uh that the charter mandates? One way to think about it is this. If you can do that, there is nothing that prevents you from doing it every meeting twice a month every month. at which point by month six or seven your annual budget is unrecognizable. So if you if you can't change your annual budget that way because you can't in every meeting or in successive meetings create new departments new positions changing spending from this to that etc then you can't do it in any one instance that would be the argument the position someone might take. Uh the other problem that we see is if It does to an extent prefigure your annual budget. If you make a material change in the fourth quarter that's is being discussed here, you're you're essentially committing to that change in the new budget year. Um what it charter clearly contemplates is a whole budget, a complete budget being considered and adopted at one time with the benefit of public input. And so everybody's starting essentially on

something of a clean slate. And we all know that budgeting involves priorities. What are we going to spend the money on? How much money do we have to spend? Where do we want to emphasize our spending, etc. And if you're in a position where before that occurs, you're prefiguring a result. You're basically committing to a result and essentially in part tying your hands going into the new budget year. you might have a problem under the charter. Now, I I want to ask I want to emphasize that this is largely sort of a speculative opinion on our part. The charter doesn't provide any concrete guidance. There is no case of which we're aware in which that sort of issue has been addressed formally or otherwise uh by a decisional body, by a court or anyone else. So, we're we're trying to work through a conceptual issue here and it's just something that we suggest you consider as part of as part of this matter. We're not saying you can't do it. Okay? That's not an opinion that your lawyers are expressing here. What we're saying is you need to think about this and and balance between what is perceived to be a current and immediate need perhaps and and you know the the overall process that you're dealing with in the context of the annual budget. got something.

I I got to First of all, Sierra and Dave, I appreciate your comments, but in all honesty, uh my constituents did not vote for me to be flatfooted. We're doing something proactive here. It's a necessity and uh holding back or waiting on it is not a viable uh part of this uh this new endeavor we're going to take. It's uh very important that we start something quick. Uh I don't see any other obstacles. Uh Frank's gone through this. He's researched it. I've been working on this for the better part of two years and uh uh it's come it's come to light right now. Uh it's good for Gallup. Uh I really don't know why we we'd want to wait on anything. money. There's we come up with money for everything else. There's no reason why we can't come up with money for the rent if that's the problem or whatever it is. Uh but the the fact of the matter is I'm not here to wait. I'm here to move Gallop forward. I got four years left and it's going to happen.

Oh, go ahead, Linda.

Um I agree with um councelor Molina. I concur with what he has to say because this is not a quick thing. I'm in here. This is my third term. 12 years going on. Been waiting waiting for something like this to happen. We're going down Gallup. It's a nightmare right now the way everything is right now. And for us to do something, we have a new uh council mayor here and uh our city manager doing his due diligence on looking up and everything. I feel confident that we can go forward and move. We we need this. It's a necessity. You know, you're talking about the money and save for the constituents, but I agree. This town needs to grow. We need to get Gallup back up to the standards where it used to be. And by getting this and getting our city engineer and all this, we can do that and we can do it quickly and get our money back for our constituents.

Yeah. And I want to be clear that I am not saying I don't support this. I do think this is a smart move and a good idea. Um I'm just saying that I think the best thing to do to be fair to everybody involved and to the constituents is to wait for 3 weeks because in 3 weeks we have our budget work session and to include it as part of that discussion and that at that point in time if we decide we all want to move it forward that's where we can move it forward. I'm not saying wait a year or put it off indefinitely or no, I don't want to do this. It's really more about the process and about transparency and the public trust. And I just had a comment. I kind of agree with both. I agree that this is um a good thing and I I'm kind of in between, right? Because I see the good, but I I'm also a little confused as to like why it's such a rush when in three weeks we have a budget planning meeting. Aside from all that, I just want to make sure the money is calculated correctly because I feel like the money is not being calculated correctly. So, just to be clear on one other thing. Um, well, okay, just you calculated, we changed the number for the positions and benefits and then we changed it for the rent. But when I added all those new corrections up, it came to 1948, but you said 150. So, I just want to make sure my math might be off, but I just want to make sure on the new numbers, like when we vote on it, we're voting on the actual number. we all agreed on. That's the only thing. And then and then the other thing is maybe we could have Patty come up because on I'm just always about the money, right? Like to me I like I think these positions are great, but like and I agree like we should move this forward. But at the same time, we're all saying, "Yeah, just do it. Just do it." Well, you don't look at your personal budget and just say it doesn't matter. We'll figure out the money later. We got to figure out where the money's coming from, I assume. So like are where is you know do we have is this coming out of

the general fund? like where is it coming out of? And I just and then the positions, the salaries, all everything on this I don't have a problem with. I the problem a little bit I have is the the rent. I just think based on what we just talked about, it sounds like we'll be spending over $12,000 potentially. We don't know for sure because it has to be worked out in rent. And that's a that's a large number. Like we can't just be like, "Oh, we I totally respect what you're saying, Ron, but like we can't just be like, oh, 150,000 we'll figure out where that will come from." We've not done that for any other department. We haven't just said we'll just figure out where $200,000 come from. So to me, at the end of the day, whether we want the position or not, show me the money.

Thanks. Someone left my joke. Thanks. So I So I have to be is it Switzerland that stays neutral? Yeah, be that's just facts. I just want facts.

I don't know history well and I don't know my geography at all. So if I got that right, I'm pretty proud of myself. My role in this when we put items on the agenda and when we have this discussion is do we have the money in in this case? Yes, it is general fund. Do we have the money in the general fund right now to afford this? And I keep a spreadsheet. I update monthly. I say here's the beginning year's cash. Here's the budget commitments for the year. All the pluses, all the minuses. I estimate we're going to have this. My role is to say yes at this moment. We do have the money. We can afford this. It's not my role to say we should do it now. We should do it later. Although sometimes I do get a little bit into the weeds on that. When we meet again in three weeks, you're going to have proposals put before you that are going to be pushing some of our funds very much to or beyond their limit. That is where your um your guidance, your preferences, your wants are going to have to be expressed and you're going to have to help us work through it to determine what we do and don't fund. If this is something you feel you are going to want to fund whether it's now or whether it's in three weeks then yes we want to do it I recommend we go ahead and go forward now and we when we meet again in 3 weeks I'll have costed these out they will be in the proposal and then we'll look at the numbers of everybody overall we have a lot of departments we are competing for everything and we like to ask for a lot of things we like to grow our departments we like to to keep up with all the demands of the public And the bottom line is we can't do all of it and you'll have to give us your guidance on where you want some of those changes made so that we can balance it enough. We have some money in reserves that that we'll be proposing to utilize, but I will also be making you keenly aware between payroll and operations how long you could stay at that level or how much you need to bring it down to where we're living on just current money or if we're how much we're dipping into reserves.

You'll also I'll bring it to you that we did the new annexation, we will get some additional money and property tax, but because of the lack of information on the state site that comes from the county, I have no clue how much that's going to be, and I'm not allowed to budget it. They have a very strict schedule and a method on how it has to be done, and I only have one way to do it. So, we do know we have some additional growth coming to us. I just can't put it in there yet. Patty, if we approve this today, and I just want to calculate, you know, again, this then we're basically saying two things. We're saying we're putting the needs we're putting the needs of this department above any other needs of departments without hearing from them, right? We're saying this we know this is a priority essentially and we want to move forward without before we've because we're basically saying we're approving this before we discuss the budgets. So that's number one. But number two, I am confu we're just approving the fourth quarter basically, right? for these items. But essentially by approving fourth quarter, we're agreeing that when we go to the budget, we're going to approve a whole year's worth of of the next year of 2027 because because if we approve the fourth quarter now and we go into budgets and we say actually shoot, we don't really have enough money for this. Then what do we do? We can't take it back. So we essentially by approving the fourth quarter tonight, we are essentially approving a whole year's worth for this department. I'm just I'm just I I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just I'm laying out the facts for all of us to understand what we're doing here because that's not just saying we're approving 150 or 194 whatever the final number is for the fourth quarter. It's then we're proving four times that amount for next year. No. How does that work?

If you vote if you vote in three weeks to not put it in next year's budget, it's not in next year's budget. Period.

And then what happens to those positions? We just take them. We So, right positions we put in this year This is what I said. This is what I like to say was the charter's been silent all year and and we've created the new positions. We've done other things. Those positions, every position in in the city is technically at will. If we do away with five street positions tomorrow in next year's budget, those five positions are are moved elsewhere or vert f ver f ver f ver f ver f ver f ver f ver f ver f ver f vert. They're gone. that that's that's any given entity with within any of our positions. It it it's based your those positions are based on council's approval of the budget. So, this is just for fourth quarter. You're not committing to nothing next year. I'm hoping you commit to next year because this is a priority and if something needs to get done, you're seeing houses built in Pulpa Hills. You're seeing houses built in Crest View. You're seeing houses built in the subdivisions on North 491. What's the common denominator? They don't have to deal with the city of G

County. They do not have to deal with the city of GA because of our processes and and and the new CBO has wrote down fees for a $400,000 home and how much we're paying. And and I was kind of appalled and I've compared it to other towns and and we're not the cheapest. We've been told we're the cheapest, but we're we're not even in the ballpark, ladies and gentlemen. We're We're buying Lakers tickets to watch the you know the Lobos. Oh god. Hey, you're buying too much now. Now we're rolling a fight. No, you know, you know, you're you're buying Dodgers tickets to go watch the Cincinnati Reds and I'm not my own team.

You know, I'm a Reds fan and and you know, there's always just like the Dallas Cowboys, there's always next year.

Um that's the way we cheer. That's so you know you're you're you're buying LA Dodger tickets to go watch the Reds. I I mean that that's that's not a given. Um so these these are positions we we've done this already with uh positions within the water within the wastewater with with the new admin the administrative assistant positions in vehicle shop. This year we we've done movement throughout that have affected this current budget and the charter's been silent till tonight. Um, this is not just a willy-nilly first time we've done this is something based upon the the the the needs of Gallops are flexible. And I'm going to tell you what's what spurred this. We finally found a CBO. It's told they'll never find. We found we're ready moving. Um, we've got some potential journeymen ready to look at, hey, if you open, I I might apply for this job. So, we've got the people there. um if if we wait and and open up the position in July one and do our 30 days of advertising and do this and that, we'll we'll start these positions in September and October that that's that's still putting Gallop further behind the eightball in my opinion. That that's the only reason I'm bringing today. Got the momentum. I've got the CBO walking in. I I don't want to stay stagnant with that CBO and possibly even lose him and take the step back. um our other CBO retires in June, June 30th.

And at that point, everything would go to the state. We never get it back. We would never have the option again. So, I'm taking the momentum I have and I'm stepping forward. I'm taking a step forward from what I've heard from council last year, several years ago, previous mayor, current mayor. We need best better customer service.

We need a better city hall location. Well, this is the way to get several of the departments, most people deal with paying their bills and most people, contractors and and other people coming in for fences, sidewalks, and everything else for their home deal with permitting. These are the two most visible people oriented besides the city clerk and and I'm going to say I don't want to lose him out of this building because then I have further to learn to ask him questions. I'll be selfish there, but you know, those are the three positions that most people go to. Business licenses, permits, pay your bill. So, this is a way to move pay your bill and permits in one location. And and I'm going to say the buildings we're looking at are not small. We're we're talking very large buildings to encompass a a payment. We're actually hoping to get a a drive-thru type type facility for your paying the bills. And then again, when you're looking at a department of 11 to 12 people, you're looking at at office space for 11 to 12 people. That's that's not tiny. So, so we're looking at big buildings. So, so we're looking at 8 to 12,000 $13,000. I budgeted on the high end. I'm hoping we can get a negotiated deal on the low end. But again, I I I I don't want to budget the 8,000 and then come to you in a month and say, "Hey, I found a place, but it's 10,000 and and now I'm I'm putting it off trying to get um I'm trying to to to to step in. Most of this money is going to be spent fourth quarter." No,

because I've got to find the positions. Yeah. I've got to onboard them, get them on. We have the legality of hiring. We're still under an OCR mandate, I believe, Marcus, where we have to advertise a minimum number of days. Those type of things. So, this is not just a tomorrow I'll have a new guy in. This is a it's going to take me a while. And and I I hope to hire by July 1 to where we start next year with the approved budget with these positions. But if I can get them in June, I want them in June so I don't lose them.

I think that makes sense. Oh, I was just going to say that I think that makes sense that clarification of why you want to start advertising earlier so they're in by June because So I I get that and I don't maybe I shouldn't say this out loud. I'm not as concerned with the charter issue as much because I think we have added positions before. My more issue is like just the money itself and and so let me just ask two final questions I think to help make clarify not to be stupid but we have a lot of buildings that we own the city owns and I realize this is a big building we're looking at but there's no there's no buildings we own already that we're spending our money on that we could put this department into or these people into where we wouldn't have to spend $12,000 a month on rent. Is that something we've just looked at?

So, yeah. One of the one of the big things with buildings the city owns, they're not the the rehabilitation and the modifications would be way more than the 72,000. Um the buildings that we're looking at are already ready to go. Um so, but unfortunately, the city owns a lot of buildings, but they're not in very good shape. We can put them in the Lexington. I mean, that's what good. See, that's good thinking outside the box. And then what was the final number then just based on because we we changed for the fourth quarter instead of a whole year the positions the rent everything what what did you come I just want to put that in 15800 just added up three times okay I must be 15,000

15800 just like if we're voting on this I just want to have the right number 15800 for fourth quarter okay I must have added wrong I guess is that keeping the 72,000 or no that's no 37 in in building 37. So it changed. Okay. So half of that. Yeah. We were looking at something close to eight I believe. I did the yearly figure. Um so 37,000 approximately 12,000 a little over 12 and then we changed the the salary and wages and the benefits right

44,000 in new e electrical and plumbing inspectors. Wait 88, right? Because it would be two 44,000 88,000. One quarter is 22 each. So 44,000 total there. Approximately 50% in benefits. So it's 22,000 in benefits. So line one's 44,000. Line two is 22,000. Got it. That's training, testing, office, computer, certify the staff, all of that doesn't change. Um the only other team changes is 37,000 for potential rent. Yeah. and none of the others changed. It comes up to 150,000 a I had the salaries wrong. That's 15,000. Yes. 150,800. 800

and that's if I hire tomorrow May, June 12. I got I got one more one more comment. April, May, June. April. Yeah. Next. And I'm not I can't hire April one because I've got to advertise. Right. I I got one more comment before I call the question here. Uh uh we're able to use our own inspectors because of our charter. Is that correct, Dave? We're a homeown city. We're grandfathered in certain. Okay. Well, it's now

it's also correct that uh nothing to my knowledge in state statutes. I mean, I'm not speaking of the state's practice, but in statutes excludes or prohibits a home rule city from employing its own certified building inspector, building inspector, etc. So, I don't think uh the state can I mean I would respectfully disagree. I don't think the state can take these functions away or or if we seed these functions for a period of time to the state. Now, I don't think that may be the case. Was prohibited from recovering. Sorry. That may be the case. You had a conversation with Bailey.

Yes. What did he tell you? Frankly, when we talked to Clay Klay, when we talked to Clay Bailey, who's the head of the C division, he he pretty much said, "We lose our CBO, we lose it. We're got done. if it falls under the state of New Mexico. He he he did say that he won't say we will give it back, but he says it would be very difficult to get it back. Now, tell everybody on council how close we came to losing it. How could uh John wanted to retire in October?

And and I I went to him and I found out he has a CBO license, not just a building inspector license. and we weren't paying him as a CBO. So, I I went to him and said, "You know, it's not fair. We did you wrong. It's true. Um, we should be paying you as a CBO, not as a building inspector. You've gone and passed the five tests, not the one test that they're treating you like." So, we changed his salary to the CBO position. Still have to go back and say, "Hey, we need to we need to back pay him. We we treated him wrong and and I've got to go work on that." I assumed it was done and it wasn't. Um, but he was ready to leave October and if he would have left in October,

we would be under that the state for everything. And but just make the way to understand what the state what Clay told us is they've had multiple communities in New Mexico that have had an inspector for three months and then not an inspector for three months. And what they what they've chosen to do is say, "Listen, if you lose your inspector, we're not going to go back and forth. We're taking it over." That was the explanation we had to

Right. Yeah, that was it. I wanted to make sure the rest of council understood that how close we came to losing that CBO. Uh how important it is for the city to have their CBO. Uh you know, the guy comes from the state. Inspectors come from the state. I've had inspectors plenty of times come out of Alam Magordo to inspect one little thousand job that I did. You know, he's got to come all the way from Alam Maggoro. Sometimes they'll pull him out of Los Cruuses. They'll pull him whatever they can. The guy gets here. God help him that they're here. The guy gets here. He doesn't want to come to Gallup. He doesn't want to be in Gallup. He doesn't want to drive all the way to Gallup. And most importantly though, he's got to drive home. The state will not pay him for a room for the night. They will not pay him overtime. He's got 8 hours to drive from point A to point B and back to point A again. It's ludicrous. In Gallup, we can control that. And I'll tell you something else. It's a safety thing. Uh these guys are coming in. You're going to get a green tag. I don't care how good or bad your job is. you're going to get a green tab because he's not going to want to come out here the second time. It's a safety thing as well as everything else. I've been in business for 47 years in the gas business and this is important to Gallup. Take my word for it. We can't wait. We got to get this done. Having said that, I'd like to put a motion on the floor for approval of the building department budget and budget transfer for the fourth quarter of 26. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Second.

Whatever numbers, it's not on there, but Well, he just told he train just told us 15800 150,800. Yes. For $150,800. Second. Councelor Molina. Yes. Councelor Garcia. Yes. Councelor Piano. Yes. Councelor Yazy. No. Mayor Dealing. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Our next discussion items is is a continuation and of the positions. Um, and this one here is the city engineer position and budget transfer. And again, city manager Frank Japeti will give us an explanation.

Okay, first of all, I made the same mistake. I cut and pasted from the year. I'll tell you that right now. So, the 172,500. If that's the case, I'm going to go back to engineering school today to get paid that much for one quarter.

Uh we it's $43,125. That is based on competitive market of $115,000 per year for an engineering position. You divide that by four um comes out to 28,750. Again, 50% for benefits. Gallup used to have an engineering um public works, water, wastewater um building department was all under it in the past. Um because again they're a stamped engineer. They they can answer questions, they can help design. Um we're we're spending a lot of money on engineering services currently because we have to farm out everything. Um we do not have a staff engineer in the city of Gallup which for a town of our size I'm kind of surprised on. Um so with this one here um we'll be going next year to change organization chart to where this person will oversee public works streets construction will he can help u inspect concrete um those type of things. Um help help with get jobs done faster and more thorough and correctly. Um we'll also oversee the water and wastewater. We're doing a lot of wells. We're doing a lot of lot new projects and mines. we're we're paying a lot of of services for, you know, it'll be a huge cost savings in my opinion to the city. And then the the fourth position under will will be the building department um to where the permitting to inspections is under again because it falls under those positions. So, this again will be stronger customer service. It'll be a money saving to the city of Gallup. I won't quit contracting as much. We'll still have to contract some of the bigger jobs, but a lot of the jobs that we're doing right now on design and such, we can have done and and I think we'll do

better better oversight and better accountability of those departments.

Yeah, Frank, thank thank you so much. You know, um city of Gallup has always been a city engineer town. Um, Petronovich was the city engineer for 40 years and then it's moved to different ones and until about oh probably 15 or 20 years ago um uh the city engineer then we had Stan Henderson of course with public works director but we didn't really have a clear city engineer that would take took streets drainage water sewer and building um and I think going back to that it's going to give the city a benefit it hasn't had in a long time you know it's going to get give someone give give uh the res not only the citizens in the M of the Gallup but also the builders developers to someone to talk to to know what to expect when it comes to building developing and taking that next step to provide housing. So, thank you. Thanks a lot. I fully support it. Getting a city engineer in place.

And again, fiscal impact is 43,125 43,000. Yes, sir. You divided that by four. I I did the 115 plus benefits and divided by

What's your number exactly? take 115,000 435. So the salary with benefits is 172,500. When I divide that by four, I get 43125. Very good. And remember, we still have to advertise making it make it attractive for someone wanting to be gallop. So that there's a lot more to that. And again, that's if I get hired by Ale. which at this point I can um if I can have somebody by midappril end of April you can see a city manager with funding with a smile on his face

and then remind me where the money goes if we don't spend it this quarter by the end of the fiscal year it stays in general fund for next year okay same on same on the past item she's she knows where the pennies go

so we actually made a change a few years ago to fund the vehicle replacement plan in the building. Renewal and replacement and any unspent general fund budgeted money is automatically transferred over to those two funds based on a formulation. And that created a recurring um mechanism to fund those because we found for several years, like probably almost 10 years, we'd get to the end of budget and there was no money for capital. So this is how we do it with with the unspent. So, so this is actually we know a piece of this is going to end up going into those funds, but it it's just a process and a procedure we set in place. Lord knows our buildings need it.

Yeah. And we're we're finding we definitely need it. The vehicle replacement plan, she's got probably almost every dime that's uh proposed for spending in the upcoming year. The lease plan is helping a little bit with that. And then under the building, it's just as fast and furious as we can identify and and move forward with the needs. Thank you. If there's no more comments, we have a motion. I make a motion to approve the city engineer position and budget transfer of 43,125. Second. Councelor Molina. Yes. Councelor Garcia. Yes. Councelor Piano. Yes. Council Yazi.

Yes. Mayor DeFoli. Yes. Everybody, thank you so much for the discussion and moving the city forward. Um, so the next item is our comments by the mayor and city councilors. And I'll let Ron go first. This if you would, please.

First of all, thank you to everybody for listening me tonight. This is something that was uh near and dear to my heart. it it's uh more important um it was part of my platform when I ran for this position to move Gallot forward. I'll reiterate what I said in the past since I've moved here. We've lost you guys might have to help me out here. We've lost two coal mines. We lost the railroad. We've lost two refineries. Those are and and there's more. But those are five major things that we've lost in Gallup. Major things. You talk about the GRT, we've lost, the housing, uh everything, the the patronage in town, uh money coming into Gallup, we've lost all that completely. Uh, the railroad holds a small crew here in town that does, but we lost all the the the car the carmen, the brake conductors, the engineers, and everything else. Uh, we've never everything we've lost, we haven't really replenished anything. I've said it before, Gallup has been fortunate with the Navajo trade here in town. got the town keeps going and going and going, but we really need to bring some industry in here. We we we want to build homes. I had we get a report every what is it every month, Frank, about how many homes we built. And I put a nasty red circle and I threw it on JM's desk and I'm putting them on on uh on what's your name, Frank?

What's your name? Put them on Frank's desk. On Frank's desk. and and uh finally we're making some progress in conquering our problems. Uh and I I uh I'm very assertive about this. I I've like I said, I've I've been I've worked on it for the better part of two years, a good year and a half, and I'm glad to see it. I appreciate your guys's uh uh help on it, and uh it's something that's good for Gallup. I I just want to reiterate that and thank you for listening to me to to me tonight. You're not throwing anything at me. I don't want to like Oh, sure.

Oh, yeah. So, um first of all, there is another community meet and greet session this Friday with water, wastewater, and facilities. This is the I think the first daytime one, but Friday from 12 to 1. though the public knows um it is not an evening session but it is still at the Almoro Event Center if I'm not mistaken. Yes.

Um so that's coming up on Friday and then there was something else to Hold on. Oh yeah, I just wanted to congratulate our local basketball teams. um couple teams that played in state championships. The Gallup High Bang Lady Bengals and the Rehobath Links Boys both finished second in state played in those championship games. So, congratulations to those teams. Um I got to go to the Rhobit game because I'm a little partial. My nephews and

where I graduated. So, it was really fun to go to the bid and watch them play and everybody just played with a lot of heart. So, really represented our area well. And I know basketball is a big deal, really important to a lot of families and youth. And it's something that gives our youth a lot of belonging and a lot of hope. So it's full to mention. Yes.

Yeah. Um last thing, Sunday, this Sunday um is an event at the Amoro Theater um called the Good Heart Medicine Tour. This is hosted by Cece Clearly Productions, which is a San Carlos Apache woman, and she made a documentary about the missing and murdered indigenous women crisis. Um, if you guys don't know, Gallup is in the top 10 cities in the country for missing and murdered indigenous relatives. And um it's an issue that you know when we talk about moving YAL forward is something near and dear to my heart in terms of you know I would love to see us move the needle and get out of that top 10 number and to really support our indigenous women to spirit um and all relatives who um go missing and are murdered. Just I guess you know in generally uh speaking to whose lives matter and who do we see as their lives are valuable. it shows something there shows um and the whole country um needs to do better on this issue and just in the investigation and I think that I've from what I've seen our local um police department and our our law enforcement and everybody is really coming together to really take on this issue. Um I thank give my thanks to everybody who's part of that. But I just wanted to also invite people. I don't have the exact timing of the screening. It's the documentary called She Pride That Day. And then um but they're doing some healing circles and other things as well for victims and families. So I apologize that I don't have the exact timing if you're only interested in the documentary, but it is a wonderful thing to come and learn more about if you don't know.

Thank you, Sarah. That's what I love that again. Goodart. Good heart medicines. Thank you. That's your friend. What? Oh my gosh. Oh, she's still coming. Oh, yes.

I am coordinator for the arch crown. It's coming up second Saturday of each month. We're starting up April 11th. So, I just want to also say to the vendors out there, uh the city is going to be um pushing for the fee this year and any vendor out there has to pay a fee out there to the generalist, but it's always a great success. I look forward to it. So, call me Linda Garcia, not the tourism, not Darcia. I'll get back

probably. Okay. Hey, I found this out today and I didn't even It's coming up soon, but the kids day spring fling that they have, the health fair that's like a thousand people go to every year at Forge Canyon Park is coming up on April 4th. I actually just found out it was today and I was like, "Dang, I didn't even know." So, Easter egg hunt. Yeah, they don't do Easter egg hunts anymore, I don't think, cuz um I heard years ago people were trampling each other. Anyways, the whole thing I think that I think that was the adults, not the children, actually. So they had a nay on the Easter egg.

Um but they have a ton of booze. I think Lions Club usually gives food. They have Millennium Media helps put this on and it's just a really fun time. So April 4th, it's that Saturday at Ford Canyon from 10 to 2. And there's I mean there's a plethora of things to do for kids. So bring your families. And then April 10th, I know we're like a little going to April, but there's a spring job fair at Rio West Mall. and you if you're looking for a job and you can also get your picture taken with the Easter Bunny coming up soon if anyone cares about that. Um I know little kids do. And then um April is also sexual sexual assault services month and um they the sexual assault services of Northwest New Mexico which is here is doing a trivia night on April 15th at the Rocket Cafe and that's from 68. I know those are kind of feels like April's so far away, but um just because like people say, I don't know what to do and then I'm like telling you here's some things to do. I was going to say get Facebook, but I know not everyone likes to have Facebook, so I'm telling you instead. Um so those are just some fun things coming up and um yeah, I'm sure there's more. That's kind of what I could think of. And happy spring.

Thank you, Sarah. Um so it's my turn. I I just wanted to tell you guys that I have a new bolo tie and it was given to me by a man named Larry Binkley. Oh,

who sent it to me in the mail. Just showed up in the mail. He said if I could use some more he said you you better that the mayor has this bow tie than a retired city employee that has been back together. So, thank you so much. And then also just want to let everybody know and this is on the Facebook too that the city is that thanks to CB and his staff they're working on compliance issues and that means signs. Um he's par parked abandoned cars and buildings buildings that are ran down. He's he's we're he's already cited a lot. He's went out done a lot of things with the vehicles, but he's also um going to steal you if you have a rundown or or abandoned building and it's not in good shape or upcape up kept up well, it's you'll be getting a letter and so will the signs. Um and the last thing, uh this is um Dave's last council meeting.

Oh my gosh, that went by fast. You know, I I first met Dave three years ago. Um,

I can't remember if we got in the car to go to Navajo Gallup or we were dealing on a well job. Um, come on Dave, let's go. We need to go look at this and meet these people. Meet our water rights attorneys. Um, and then a snowstorm hit. Remember the snowstorm of the spring of 23. You know, Dave said, "I never see anything like this." You know, I said, "Well, that's what happened. you know, you come to Gallup and but but thanks for three and three years of service and all the stuff you've done for the Navajo Gallup to dealing with the trade port and uh I don't want to miss any other you know I there's many things many you know thank you thank you with that go ahead

all right um we had our St. Pat's Day little event downtown I came couple hours. Um really got to thank Matt's department, Hey Paty, um all of them up there. Um our children's library coming out doing kids games. Jared with Elmoral Theater serving the ice cream and having a band in there. Streets, police, fire, Rex. Yeah, Rex Museum. Um all all the all the group that came together. Um you know, it was a it was a nice event. uh very festive. Surprised to see three or four different like Celtic type fans out out playing and doing and

you know it was very very fun. Um so I'd like to thank them for for getting that going. Looking forward to to many more events. Um

oh we had classic cars. Ted Gonzalez. Thank thanks again for him arranging. I like my theme better. Just green cars day. they couldn't find enough, I guess. Um, uh, it it was just a fun event. So, so we're looking forward to Norm. Um, they meet every other I also need to thank the committee that that's been putting ideas out. Um, the ones I just mentioned are a lot of people coming to it, including parks department, either Vince or Jake coming to those meetings. um chamber, PJ Compost, uh Bill Lee, um Bill No, um I'm sure I'm missing others, but Oh, Ben Welch. I can't forget Ben W. Um anybody wants to come to to shoot out ideas for upcoming events, how to make the events bigger, they meet every other Wednesday here at city hall um 6:30

6 o'clock. Thank you. What's the name of the What's the name of the group?

Well, it it kind of started off as the Freedom Ride Light and Cruise Planning event and um kind of went now into just the planning events for Gallup. So, no real name. Um you know, they're they're already talking about the big July event, which is now called Gallup Rights. Um making it bigger, better, already getting state permits for Route 66. You have people touring Route 66. start talking to them now, they're going to see things that have never been done, including we're shooting for 66 balloons in a balloon blow on 66, which is exciting. They get out, walk, walk among the balloons on down 66. It's going to be fantastic photography doing that. Um, we're still doing the tunnel of fire for the classic cars and the bikes. Um, still doing three, we're going to do three days of balloon flights this year. Um, still bands, music, vendors, ju just a whole lot of fun. So,

Frank, is all that stuff being advertised like at other like in in other cities across Matt's already got it out on social media, at other events? He's he's well placacing the ads. Okay.

Um, again, he's got the co-op grant with the state where they're matching funds for us. Um, the word is out there. Um, getting it out there. um met a social media guy that's got over I don't know how many thousand followers. He's actually temporarily in Gallup from New York. Passed through Gallup. Love Gallop so much he's now staying out at Red Rock Park. Um came out was doing some fab fabulous photography. So he's interested in coming to the event and helping out. Um Matt's bought the drone. Thank you. Mr. Shaw, former counselor shop bought a drone with his discretionary money. So, we're going to be doing some drone shots to again publicly show Gallup what what it is and and better. We want people to hear the good things about Gallup. There are a lot of good things about Gallup, not the news of the history of of what we've had. I mean, we still got the name from the 70s and and we need to break that cycle and start talking about the good things together. So, very excited to see.

Thank you. Well, thanks, Mayor. Yeah, this is my final meeting, so I thought I would make a few remarks. Um, not so much about me and what I've done. I suspect that my reputation procedurally in that regard, but more about my experience and observations since coming here. And the focus I have in that regard is on your staff. You have a fantastic, exceptional group of people working every day in this city. When I came here, they treated me well. They treated me with kindness. They greeted me. They made me feel at home. They helped me understand things. They supported me. Uh, it was exceptional. And I'll always forget that. uh remember that and I'll never forget it is what I meant. I've seen them in their interactions with the public uh in their interactions with each other in their interactions with you uh and in other contexts. I have always found them to be extremely professional, to be polite, to be dedicated to their positions, to their the missions of their department, to their work.

Incredibly hardworking. In many cases, their jobs are thankless. They are not given, in my judgment, the appreciation they deserve. And I regret to say that on some occasions I've seen them mistreated. I've seen them belittled. I've seen them treated very poorly. And I acknowledge and admit that has made me angry on on occasion. But I am honored more than I can say to have known and worked with these folks. And I consider many of them my friends. And so I will leave here with some very good memories. I will leave here because of some of the mistreatment I've seen with a touch of bitterness, but generally some very good memories. And I have one and only one request of the council. Support these people. Show them your appreciation. understand they are working extremely hard and tell them how much you appreciate them. Please do that. Now I have uh one thing or two things to say to the staff directly and I want them to listen clearly and closely because with any luck they'll never hear anything like this again. um in college I was a philosophy major and of course the people would say well what are you going to do with that uh and the answer was don't worry I'll I'll be able to do something and when I graduated I contacted um the telephone company back then we had a telephone

company um and it actually published something called the yellow pages uh and I asked them to list me under the philosophers's heading in the yellow pages and uh I quickly was informed that there was no such heading and if I wanted such a heading I would have to pay for it. So uh onward to law but I will try to share one little ted of wisdom that follows me from my career in philosophy and this again is directed to the staff. There is a myth uh in the ancient Greek tradition known as the myth of Seisphus. Some of you have probably heard about this. Seephus was a guy who managed to offend the gods. There is disagreement as to what exactly he did. He did something and we all know the gods take offense very easily. And because of his transgression, they sentenced him to eternity rolling a rock up a mountain. Now fast forward 2500 years. Uh in the uh mid 20th century there was a French philosopher named Alber Camu. Now leave to one side the fact that he was French. Okay. He wrote an essay about the myth of Sophus. And the question he was trying to answer was uh this sort of puts the question of why do we do this? Why do we strive? uh isn't life absurd and if it is why not just give up but he concludes in his essay

that Seephus with every step with every push of the stone with every effort he makes he affirms himself he affirms his dignity affirms his honor and his worthiness and even if he doesn't succeed, he nonetheless gains those very valuable things which are the only things that matter in our life. The only things. And who knows, one day at one moment that rock may actually stop and stay at the top of the mountain. God speed to all of you. Good luck. See you around. Well, with that motion to adjourn.

Motion to classes. Second one. Hey. Hey, we're not done. We're really not done with the meeting. Second. Yes. Councelor Ben. Yes. Councelor Garcia. Council. Yes. Yes. Mayor Deal. Yes.