Board of Commissioners - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, December 17, 2025

The Fulton County Board of Commissioners held its second regular meeting of the year, which included discussions on the county jail population, animal services, and the fiscal year 2026 budget. The meeting also featured several proclamations and public comments on various community issues.

About this meeting

Government Body
Board of Commissioners
Meeting Type
Board Of Commissioners
Location
Fulton County, GA
Meeting Date
December 17, 2025

Transcript

1152 sections (from 1,297 segments)

0:00 – 0:23Speaker 1

Here for Fulton County, Georgia, and we're very grateful for all that we have here in this great county. Very thankful for our family, our friends, and most importantly, the almost 5,000 employees who work for Fulton County. So it's my privilege, my honor, my pleasure to wish everybody a happy, happy holiday season.

0:35 – 1:02Speaker 2

As we head into the holidays, I wanna wish each of you and your families a very Merry Christmas. I'm so thankful for everything you do and the incredible effort you put in all year long. You truly are the backbone of Fulton County, and your dedication is what make this community so special. I hope you take this time to relax, recharge, and enjoy celebrating with your loved ones.

1:15 – 1:54Speaker 3

Hello, Fulton County residents. It's commissioner Mo Ivory district four, and I just wanna tell you from the bottom of my heart, thank you. Thank you for all of your support this year. And during the holiday season, I wish nothing more for you than for relaxation, time with your family, and a beautiful wrap up to 2025. So from my family to yours, I wanna wish you a very happy holiday. Thank you so much for being engaged with us in Fulton County and for all of your support during my very first year in office. I wanna keep serving you the best way that I can. So let's keep in touch. Happy holidays, and I'll see you in 2026.

2:06 – 2:17Speaker 4

I'm Fulton County commissioner Dana Barrett, and I wanna wish you a joyful holiday season. Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy New Year, and I hope you enjoy your time with your family. See you next year.

2:28 – 2:59Speaker 5

This is commissioner Khadija Abdulrahman of the mighty six, affectionately known as commissioner Khadija. Hey, you all. The holiday season is upon us. And let's remember, let's think about the less fortunate. Let's think about those that do without. Make sure that you're being a neighbor. Make sure you're being a good steward. And also understand that 2026 is around the corner. Have a wonderful holiday season and a most prosperous New Year.

3:09 – 3:35Speaker 6

Greetings. I'm vice chairman Bob Ellis. This is one of my favorite times of the year, a season to spend time with friends and family, appreciate all we have, and remember the true meaning of the holidays. I'm especially grateful for our wonderful community and for everyone who helps make Fulton County such a great place to live. Wishing you joy, peace, and a great start to the new year. Happy holidays.

3:42Speaker 7

Three two one.

3:49 – 4:08Speaker 8

Fulton County lights our Christmas tree here at the government center every year. It's a really fun tradition. Employees in the community come together to celebrate. We were joined with four of our commissioners, which is a real treat for employees to get to hear from our leadership.

4:08Speaker 1

Happy holiday season on behalf of the board of commissioners in Fulton County, and we thank each of you, your employees, for another great year in Fulton County.

4:17 – 4:38Speaker 8

We know that every Christmas tree lighting has Santa and elves, but we decided to do something different this year, and we welcomed some fallow llamas here to the Fulton County Government Center. Fulton County loves pets and animals, so this was a really fun way for us to bring animals into our celebration.

4:38 – 5:07Speaker 9

This one over here, the chestnut and white, that's Emerson. And this one is cat. So It's short for catastrophe, which is not always kosher. So we have a couple of different boot camps, if you will. And then we continue with experience training, and it gets more and more intense with the things we introduce. Kat, where where are you going? Oh, that's perfect for video.

5:09 – 5:24Speaker 8

We are just excited for everyone in Fulton County to have a great holiday to celebrate with their friends and family. We are working very hard to give back to the community this holiday season and wish everyone a wonderful holiday.

5:24Speaker 10

You got it? Possibly. You're okay.

5:26Speaker 11

Alright. We good. Alright.

5:28Speaker 12

Thank y'all.

5:29Speaker 10

Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

16:10 – 16:21Speaker 14

For a written transcript of this meeting, or if you need reasonable accommodations including this communication in an alternative format due to disability, please contact the clerk to the

16:21Speaker 15

Commission's office at (404) 612-8232.

16:45 – 17:09Speaker 1

Madam Clerk, you ready? Alright. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the second regular meeting of the year. The last meeting of the year as a matter of fact 12/17/2025 it is 10:00AM. Madam clerk please call the roll for purposes of a quorum.

17:09Speaker 16

Chairman Rob Pitts. Present. Commissioner Bridget Thorne. Present. Vice Chairman Bob Ellis.

17:15Speaker 16

Commissioner Dana Barrett. Present. Commissioner Mo Ivory. Present. Commissioner Marvin Arrington Junior.

17:22Speaker 16

Commissioner Khadija Abdul Rahman. Present. Mister chairman, you have a quorum.

17:28Speaker 1

Thank you. Please rise for the invocation followed by the pledge of allegiance.

17:37 – 17:55Speaker 17

Let us pray. Almighty god, we give you thanks for this day for your continued grace and mercy upon our lives. Bless now all that are here to serve. Bless them and give them your strength. It's in your name we humbly pray. Amen.

17:55 – 18:18Speaker 1

Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag Alright continue madam clerk.

18:18 – 18:59Speaker 16

On page two, consent agenda twenty five zero nine four two adoption of the consent agenda. All matters listed on the consent agenda are considered routine by the County Commission and will be acted by one motion. No separate discussion will take place on these items. If discussion of any consent agenda item is desired, that it will be moved to the second regular meeting agenda for separate consideration. Mister chairman and members of the board we have one item to be removed on page three. Chairman Pitts has requested to remove twenty five zero nine four four Fulton County Citizens Commission on the Environment, this item is to be hailed.

19:05Speaker 16

And that's all I have.

19:09 – 19:30Speaker 1

Alright, I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as amended. Alright. Motion to do so by commissioner Abdul Rahman. It is seconded by commissioner Dana Barrett. Please vote.

19:31 – 20:15Speaker 16

And that vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays. On page six, second regular meeting agenda twenty five zero nine five eight, adoption of the second regular meeting agenda. Mister chairman, members of the board, there are amendments to today's meeting agenda. First item to be removed on page eleven Twenty five zero nine eight three request approval of a recommended proposal for operation maintenance services for the wastewater facilities and pump stations in North Fulton service area.

20:15Speaker 16

This item has been removed due to a protest received.

20:20Speaker 1

Which one is that?

20:21Speaker 16

Twenty five zero nine eight three on page 11.

20:27Speaker 1

Alright. What's going on? I need to.

20:30Speaker 18

Good morning commissioners.

20:32Speaker 1

the same contract that was on the agenda what four or five months ago was removed. Now what's going on?

20:38 – 20:57Speaker 18

Correct commissioner. The request to remove this agenda item is due to our formal protest being filed regarding this project and we will need to follow the established procedures pursuant to purchasing code section one zero two four nine four four nine point one seven right to protest.

20:59Speaker 1

And how long does it will a protest take?

21:02Speaker 18

So, I have fifteen business days to respond to the protest received and then there's an administrative due process after that.

21:16Speaker 1

Commissioner Abdul Rahman.

21:18 – 21:59Speaker 5

Chairman with all due respect, I would humbly ask that even though you have fifteen days that we do this expeditiously as quickly as possible. I think we do a disservice to the community chairman, we've been talking about this, we know that today was coming and I don't have a dog in the fight other than the tax paying citizens of Fulton County and I think the longer and longer we string this out, they're the ones that are going to suffer County managers. So anything within the legal bounds that we can expeditiously do what we need to do on our end to get the ball rolling, I really would make that plea at this point, chairman.

22:02Speaker 1

Alright. So the recommendation is to remove this from the agenda today to for the because of the protest and we had a protest before.

22:11 – 22:29Speaker 18

Yes. And we held it before the the the last time we had a protest, we cancelled the solicitation. This time we have a protest again. I need to have the opportunity to review the merits of the protest, to review the protest, and to respond to the protest.

22:30Speaker 1

Okay. So the distinction is same company, we canceled the solicitation.

22:36Speaker 18

Same project.

22:37Speaker 1

Same project. This time you're what's what's the difference?

22:41Speaker 18

We received the proposals. I received a bid protest.

22:46Speaker 1

But you're not canceling it at this time?

22:47Speaker 18

I am not canceling the project.

22:50Speaker 1

Alright. Commissioner Arrington followed by commissioner Ellis.

23:02 – 23:28Speaker 15

I don't want to speed up anything. I want to go through the formal process as it is outlined by our rules and regulations. Now, I'm sure there are some up here that have reasons that they won't disclose that wanna speed this up and wanna make push this through today. But there is a process. A protest has been filed, and we need to go through that process.

23:29 – 23:59Speaker 15

I don't know what the protest is. I don't know why it was filed or who it was filed by, but at the end of the day, we need to follow our own rules. We need to provide due process to those parties that are involved. And so, this is so funny. This is so funny. These people up here and the show that they're putting on, this is ridiculous.

24:03Speaker 1

Commissioner Vice Chair Ellis.

24:06 – 24:32Speaker 6

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I've just got one item I'm gonna remove because there's some contents of the resolution that aren't right. So I will save this for another meeting and bring it back, two five zero nine nine two. What page? On page 14 of sixteen, two five zero nine nine two. So I'm just going to remove that from the agenda altogether. I'll bring it back in another form.

24:34Speaker 1

All right. Any other items? All right. Motion to adopt the agenda.

24:40Speaker 16

Mr. Chairman, I have some more amendments.

24:43Speaker 16

We also have two items that need to be moved on today's agenda. First item on page seven.

24:49Speaker 1

To be moved.

24:50 – 25:16Speaker 16

To be moved up or down. So on page seven, twenty five-nine 62 information technology, request approved to utilize corporate purchasing for consulting services. That item should be moved down after the operational report right above 20 five-nine 66 on page seven.

25:18 – 25:41Speaker 16

And on page thirteen, twenty five-nine 89, request approval to amend an existing contract for Fulton County Animal Services. That item needs to be moved up to be heard before item twenty five zero nine eight seven on page 12.

25:46Speaker 1

Alright, anything else?

25:48 – 26:26Speaker 16

And we just the items to be revised on page 11. Twenty five zero nine eight five public works. This item is revised to amend the requested action. It should read request approval and execution of a second memorandum of understanding between Fulton County and the city of South Fulton. And then the last three items to be revised are commissioners action items and they were just revised to include amended resolutions.

26:26 – 26:54Speaker 16

First on page thirteen, twenty five nine three five, commissioner Barrett's item to request approval of a resolution to affirm that reproductive rights are human rights. On page 14, vice chairs item. Well, that one was removed, so the 25,922 has been removed. And 25,993

26:54Speaker 20

sponsored Page.

26:56 – 27:24Speaker 16

Page 14, sponsored by Vice Chair and Commissioner Abdul Rahman. Request approval resolution to amend resolution 22 dash zero six four four and twenty one dash zero two eight two. That item was amended to include a resolution. Revised to include an amended resolution. And that's all I have.

27:24 – 27:36Speaker 1

Alright. Commissioners, anything? Alright. Motion to adopt the agenda as amended by commissioner Abdul Rahman, seconded by commissioner Bridget Thorne. Please vote.

27:37 – 27:56Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yays, zero nays. Twenty five zero nine five nine, ratification of minutes. Second regular meeting minutes November 19, first regular meeting postagenda minutes 12/03/2025.

27:59Speaker 1

Alright, motion to approve by commissioner Abdul Rahman, seconded by commissioner Thorne. Please vote.

28:05Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yays, zero nays.

28:17Speaker 16

Twenty five zero nine six zero.

28:19 – 28:45Speaker 1

Alright. Madam Clerk, just can we have a a moment of silence, please? A man who was a friend of all of us, but more importantly, a friend of the people, Joe Beasley died. His service will be on this Friday at Antioch Baptist Church North and also for the victims of the terrible incident that occurred in Australia. Just a moment of silence, please.

28:55Speaker 1

Thank you. Continue, madam clerk.

28:58Speaker 16

Twenty five zero nine six zero, presentations of proclamations and certificates. First proclamation is recognizing Sri Yanch Nagam.

29:48Speaker 2

Can we get all the winners to come down? Sri. Good to see you.

29:59Speaker 21

Come on now.

30:01 – 30:52Speaker 2

On behalf of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners and the Department of Public Works, we extend our gratitude to all these fine young people up here that made the twenty twenty six calendar contest a huge success. The annual calendar contest serves as an incredible tool to engage our youth in water resource stewardship. This year's theme, water pollution solutions, encourage students to explore creative solutions for preventing and solving the problem of pollution in our watersheds. This year, they had a 142 submissions from students across 29 schools in Fulton County. Their dedication and their artwork, which you can all see, they have the artwork.

30:52 – 32:27Speaker 2

They didn't bring it down here with them, but it's truly inspiring and amazing that we have such talented young people. Today, we proudly commend all the students for their outstanding artwork and invaluable contributions to promoting environmental stewardship and raising awareness about pollution prevention. Whereas the Fulton County Board of Commissioner finds that the protection of the environment is vital to the health, welfare, welfare, and economic progress of the county and its citizens, and whereas the Department of Public Works seeks to protect the health, safety, and welfare of Fulton County citizens by providing high quality and cost efficient services related to the delivery of water, the collection of wastewater, and the conveyance of storm water, and by complying with federal, state, and county regulatory requirements. And whereas Public Works has successfully promoted environmental awareness and consciousness of water resources, water conservation, water quality, and pollution prevention through school presentations, media campaigns, educational seminars, workshops, festivals, and community outreach programs. And whereas Public Works sponsored the twenty twenty six art calendar contest, which was open to all students, grades k through 12, attending a public, private, charter, or homeschool within Fulton County.

32:28 – 33:35Speaker 2

Students were asked to create artwork promoting better water quality and water conservation uses and practices. And from the submitted drawings, 22 were selected to be featured in the 2026 water art calendar. And whereas, in recognition of this exemplary artwork, Sriyansh Neegham, a seventh grade student at Webbridge Middle School, was selected as the grand prize cover recipient of the twenty twenty six water art calendar contest. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Fulton County Board of Commissioners recognizes the environmental contributions of Sriyank Sneegam and his contribution of promoting environmental stewardship of water resources and does hereby proclaim Wednesday, 12/17/2025 as Shriant Neigham Appreciation Day in Fulton County. You wanna say anything?

33:36Speaker 2

Okay. Here you go.

33:38 – 34:05Speaker 22

Hello, everyone. My name is Shriansh Neigam, and I'm really excited to be here. And I feel really honored to be selected as a cover page winner. And thank you for all of you for giving me the support in Nidhi to showcase my artwork. And thanks to my parents' support and their support for the for this art. Thank you.

35:53 – 36:53Speaker 23

And our monthly winners stepping in for Bhargavi, we have Ashwa Latiker, Zoya Nor Zakaria, Samvi Baji, Iman Rizvi, Lael Park, Sulye, Selena, excuse me, Selena Young, Akshon Sriviyan, Dorothy Zhang. These are, keep going. I also have Aisha Kamalova, Sofia Yun Un, Misha Mehra, Mania Mittal, Kaya Gingona, Divianci Dubay. And they're all for district with Commissioner Thorne. You all can come forward and receive your certificates.

36:53Speaker 5

The name she just called.

37:03Speaker 23

Have such a great district. All of you have great visitors. Okay. Mhmm.

37:07Speaker 4

Turn around. You wanna get a picture.

37:42 – 39:11Speaker 23

For all of our District 1 winners, please thank you. For District 2, I have Aditi Pradhan, Prathyusha Soni, and Aryash Ashwathi. From District 5, we have Isaiah Hampton and Leila Allen. And for District 6, we have Janelle Hodge.

39:13Speaker 24

I am so sorry.

39:15 – 39:47Speaker 5

Janelle, come over here. I'm taking a point of personal privilege. Chairman, you will like this when you hear this. Janelle is the great granddaughter of the Holland Sheds out of Southwest Atlanta. The engineer architect of color was one of the first to get government contracts and was very well respected in Southwest Atlanta. So, the Hollinshed family, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree and we thank you and the service that and Mrs. Hollinshed gave to the community. Thank you.

40:03Speaker 23

And we did have one additional winner from District 4, Adonis Maddox, but unfortunately he was unable to make it for today. So thank you.

40:28Speaker 16

The last proclamation is recognizing PBS Aerospace Appreciation Day sponsored by commissioner Thorne, chairman Pitts and vice chair Ellis.

40:37 – 41:26Speaker 2

I'm glad to join chairman Pitts and commissioner vice chair commissioner Bob Ellis in honoring PBS Aerospace and their presence here in Fulton County. They could have chosen anywhere in The United States to plant their their manufacturing company, yet they chose Georgia. They could have chose any of the 159 counties in Georgia, yet they chose Fulton. And in Fulton, they chose Roswell in Bob and I's district. PBS, I'm proud to have them to be a member and be establish a strategic partnership with them to bring jobs, manufacturing jobs.

41:27 – 42:05Speaker 2

I'm also proud that they employ veterans. They make it a priority to train and employ our veterans. I recently went on had the honor of being able to travel with a delegation from Fulton County to The Czech Republic to deepen our connections between Fulton County and business and civic leaders across Central Europe. By deepening these ties, not only can we increase investment here in Fulton County, we can also open up opportunities for Fulton County businesses abroad. Thank you to PBS and your leadership, and

42:05 – 43:00Speaker 2

you to chairman Pitts for organizing today's reception. So it gives me great honor to read this proclamation. Whereas, PBS Aerospace was selected Fulton County, Georgia as the home of its first United States headquarters and manufacturing operation, marking a major milestone in the company's expansion into the American defense market. And whereas PBS Aerospace is guided by core commitment to supporting Americans' veterans and proudly employing men and women who have served our nation with 75% of its engine technicians representing branches of the United States Armed Forces. And whereas these veterans bring a lived understanding of service, sacrifice, responsibility, they serve to protect America, strengthening our nation's security through their work.

43:01 – 45:16Speaker 2

And whereas PBS Aerospace has strengthened Fulton County's position as a leader in aerospace innovation by deepening partnerships between private industry and the Georgia Institute of Technology, with the majority of its engineering team educated at Georgia Tech and actively engaged in advancing local academic industry collaboration. Majority And whereas in an air when drones pose increasing danger to American bases and service members, PBS Aerospace engines power systems that help keep troops safe and bring them home, and in doing so, strengthen Georgia's position as a national leader in the defense and aerospace sectors. And whereas PBS Aerospace is strengthening ties between the state of Georgia and The Czech Republic through industrial cooperation, educational engagement, and shared investment, and whereas Fulton County is grateful for the leadership and vision of board chairman Jakob Fischer, whose commitment to establishing and growing PBS Aerospace in Georgia represents a significant investment in the future of our county's economy, workforce, and contribution to national defense. And whereas Fulton County looks forward supporting PBS Aerospace as it scales its operations, expands its manufacturing footprint, and continues building a world class workforce. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Fulton County Board of Commissioners hereby honors and recognizes PBS Aerospace for its commitment to national security, its support for America's veterans, its investment in Georgia's engineering talent, and its contributions to strengthening aerospace innovation, deterrence, and international partnership, and does hereby proclaim Wednesday, 12/17/2025 as PBS Aerospace appreciation day in Fulton County, Georgia.

45:25 – 45:59Speaker 5

just wanted to take this time to not only thank them, I was very fortunate to be at the ribbon cutting, but I wanted to say thankful to our commissioner, our vice chair and our chair. I was afforded the opportunity to go to CHECK and I was the first woman of color to lead a delegation over there from individuals from Georgia Tech and local government officials here. And, I wanted to say the diversity and the hospitality that was shown to me, really do appreciate it. So, thank you on behalf of Fulton County.

46:09 – 46:47Speaker 25

Good morning, Chairman Pitts, commissioners and member of the Fulton County Commission. On behalf of PBS Group and our team at PBS Aerospace, I am honored to be here today to accept this proclamation. Thank you for this recognition and for the warm welcome you have extended to us. I would like to thank Chairman Pitts, Commissioner Thorne, Commissioner Ellis, and the entire commission for your support and partnership. From the beginning, Fulton County has made us feel welcome and we truly value the relationship we are building together.

46:48 – 47:30Speaker 25

PBS Earthbrace is proud to call Fulton County home. As we grow, we are excited about the opportunity to expand here and to continue investing in this community. A key part of the growth is our developing partnerships with Georgia Tech, where we are collaborating with world class researchers and engineers to advance aerospace innovation and build a strong talent pipeline right here in Georgia. It is especially meaningful to us to be producing jet engines in The United States, supporting national security and employing American workers, particularly US veterans. That commitment is central to who we are as a company.

47:31Speaker 25

Thank you again for this honor and for your continued support. We look forward to a strong and lasting partnership with Fulton County.

48:40Speaker 1

Alright. Continue madam clerk.

48:41Speaker 16

Continuing on page six, public hearings. Twenty five zero nine six one.

48:47 – 49:17Speaker 16

Public comment. Citizens wishing to participate in public comment will be allowed to appear in person or may choose to participate virtually via Zoom video conferencing by registering on the county website www.fultoncountyga.gov. Priority for public comment will be given to Fulton County citizens and those individuals representing businesses or organizations located within Fulton County. Speakers will be granted up to two minutes each. The public will not be allowed to yield or donate time to other speakers.

49:18 – 50:03Speaker 16

The public comment portion of the meeting will not exceed sixty minutes. In the event the sixty minute time limit is reached prior to public comments being completed, public comment will be suspended and the business portion of the BLC meeting will commence. Public comment will resume at the end of the meeting. Mr. Chairman and members of the board we will start with speakers here at Assembly Hall. We have received 18 speaker cards with the first six speakers please come forward. Representative Esther Pennant, probate court judge Kenya Johnson, Sarkis, Aragascarvizian, Tiara Robinson, Mother Breedlove, and LA Pink.

50:04Speaker 1

Alright speakers, when you have fifteen seconds left, I'll say fifteen seconds at your key to begin to conclude your remarks. First speaker.

50:11 – 50:46Speaker 26

Good morning commissioners. I'm state representative Esther Panich representing a portion of Fulton County, a House District 51 which includes parts of Sandy Springs, Roswell, and Johns Creek. I'm here to urge you to vote yes on all three of the resolutions that commissioner Barrett has put forward before you today. As a legislator and as an attorney who has spent nearly three decades working with survivors of domestic violence, I see every day what happens to women when they lack access to the resources and support they need. These three resolutions address that crisis head on.

50:46 – 51:17Speaker 26

First, the resolution affirming reproductive rights as human rights. It's not just symbolic. It's essential. Since Georgia six since Georgia's six week abortion ban took effect, I've heard from constituents who are both patients and physicians showing that the doctors are afraid to provide necessary care. Women who have faced dangerous complications, complications I had while I was pregnant with my three children and who have been forced to navigate impossible situations.

51:18 – 52:01Speaker 26

Two Georgia women have already died. Fulton County must take a stand and call on the general assembly to repeal h b four eighty one. Second, the women's commission would provide the sustained expert focus our county needs on issues affecting more than half of the population, maternal mortality, economic equity, health care access, and gender based violence. As someone who works in this space and legislates in it, I can tell you that coordinated data driven responses save lives. This commission would ensure these critical issues receive the attention they deserve. Third, the healthy women healthy families grant program is a smart investment. $1,000,000 nearly 88¢ per resident would strengthen the nonprofits already doing this vital work.

52:01Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds.

52:02 – 52:19Speaker 26

In my own practice, I've seen access to prenatal care, mental health support, and violence prevention can transform outcomes for women and their families. These resolutions cost nothing but mean everything to the women of Fulton County. I urge you to stand with the 79% of Thank you.

52:31 – 53:06Speaker 24

Esteemed commissioners and county management, happy holidays. My name is judge Kenya Johnson and I serve as the chief judge of probate court. Most of my days are spent dealing with disputes, who gets mom's house, who's gonna care for granddad, and occasionally we offer weekly, we offer wedding ceremonies. These moments matter not just to the couple but to our county as a whole. I am here today to ask for a budget enhancement of $250,000 to fund three probate clerks to continue our thriving wedding ceremonies.

53:06 – 53:53Speaker 24

Wedding ceremonies are not a required service of probate court or any court here in Fulton County. However, since 2023, we have married over 5,000 couples in free civil ceremonies for citizens who wish to marry regardless of income. Our Vegas style wedding chapel has gone viral thanks to external affairs, and it has been featured in several national and local news outlets. We also request a dedicated space in the government center so that we can conduct weddings for a small fee. Probate court has already saved citizens over $50,000,000 in wedding ceremonies and by charging us a small fee, we can earn potential revenue for the county upwards of $250,000.

53:53 – 54:19Speaker 24

This is a revenue neutral transaction. Marriage is more than a ceremony, it is a stabilizing institution. Married couples are more likely to purchase homes in Fulton County, pay taxes and support one another through illness, unemployment and crisis. The clear public benefits of marriage include reducing citizen reliance on emergency services, improved outcomes for children

54:20 – 54:37Speaker 24

stronger community ties. Finally, there is a symbolic power in this investment. When the government stands behind marriage, it sends a message that commitment, care and mutual responsibility are values worth supporting. We ask I

54:57 – 55:40Speaker 28

Doing the god's work. It is great to do the god's work. I think we all should try. Good morning. My name is Sarkis Aga Sarkisian. I'm here to thank honorable judge Kenya Johnson for a great work she's been doing in Fulton County. In fact, I can state freely that she's very kind, very hardworking. She cares for everyone. Anyone comes into her courtroom, she cares for them. The ceremony that she did for my wedding was just unbelievable.

55:40 – 56:19Speaker 28

It was one of the most beautiful thing that you could experience. And also, not only I was surprised, but all my guests were impressed and amazed because they had never seen anything like that. And cost them nothing. I think we need to have judges like her to do things out of the scope of their just regular work and make the people people feel great and never forget that beautiful ceremony that they had in her courtroom. I pray you as a commission will do the same thing.

56:19Speaker 28

You will support her. Give her all the means that she needs to have to continue what she's doing. Thank you very much.

56:36 – 57:17Speaker 10

Good morning everyone, happy holidays. I am Tiara Robinson and I had the privilege to actually be one of the participants in the ceremonies and it is a beautiful space, a safe space and a nurturing space. It was so convenient going in and getting your license and actually being able to have a ceremony right afterwards. It saved us a lot of money, so we're planning on taking an amazing honeymoon because we did not have to pay for a humongous wedding. Just the customer service going in, the staff was amazing.

57:17 – 57:59Speaker 10

This is a big day, a lot of nervous feelings, and they were there every step of the way to make sure that all the documents, the license, the process ran smoothly and it was greatly appreciated. I actually was able to see this prior to reserving. So, over the summer, on social media, I seen this is Fulton County and this is what we're offering and it made me want to go on the website to actually search how can I have this amazing wedding with low cost and just quick and easy, and it led me right here? I am a Fulton County resident. I have not seen this done in any other county.

57:59 – 58:39Speaker 10

Just the setup from the decorations to the music playing, Who said courthouse weddings cannot be one of elegance and just luxury feeling? It was an amazing experience. I absolutely appreciate the staff there. And, if you all could just grant them the additional funds so they can have their staff, just be able to make this an even better event so we can be seen across The United States and the country as just an amazing county for love and Fifteen seconds. And establishing those partnerships in the community and in life together. Thank you.

58:53 – 59:41Speaker 29

Greetings. There is a word for the people of God today and the word is the Lord said that we all must love one another, but what I see here is not love. So I'm gonna give you all this scripture that the Lord gave me to tell you. In second Chronicles seven fourteen, the Lord said, if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my faith and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their land. We need a healing Fulton County.

59:41 – 1:00:20Speaker 29

Now, I guess the call is I travel many areas as a missionary for forty three years all over the land. First black millionaire, madam CJ Walker, is my family member. I guess a call to come and do a prayer at the jail. Now, I was here not too long ago, we was talking about the jail, you all approved some monies to go to the jail to help that jail, Wright Street. We get calls from inmates, family members, medical conditions, unhealthy living environment.

1:00:21 – 1:00:39Speaker 29

Look, people, we are human beings. If you can approve and sit here on this board, Marvin Junior, your dad and I, I supported him and my money's in many areas in my restaurant.

1:00:39Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds.

1:00:40 – 1:00:58Speaker 29

You all can approve $40,000,000 for a animal shelter. Why can't you help Fullerton County redo that jail and do better for the people, the inmates? You all have the power in your hands through God through prayer to do a different

1:01:07Speaker 1

Thank you ma'am.

1:01:21 – 1:01:46Speaker 5

Please don't get her twisted when she say she's praying for the jail. We most definitely is praying for removal. A double minded person can't be trusted in any of their ways. The sheriff said that he They train every single day for the air packs that is going For the fire that's going on in the jail. How do you train with no material?

1:01:47 – 1:02:36Speaker 5

So, we know that this is a lie because he's coming here from allegedly too big for money for air packs. Now, keep in mind, this ain't the first fire in the jail. This is the second or the third or the fourth. So why would you spend thousands, hundreds of thousand dollars on Mercedes Benz, $40,000 in Chick fil A gift cards, $5,000 with Hell on Wheels over in South Fulton for a turkey giveaway, but you ain't got money to take out of the inmate welfare funding for air packs for the safety of the inmates and the guards that's working in the jail. But you get on TV and you tell them that you gather, that you that you guys going through training.

1:02:37 – 1:03:08Speaker 5

Y'all, the poly trickery is coming to an end. I keep telling you, you could be part of the Rico or you can help take him down in the Rico. But either way it goes, it's coming. We got Mo Ivory closing down stuff from what was just told to me, Closing down a library, an old library for an event from the elders, like where you do that on taxpayer dollars now? It's money, this ain't her money.

1:03:09Speaker 10

This this is this is

1:03:10 – 1:03:30Speaker 5

taxpayer dollars, baby. And then you sitting up here campaigning for a position because now you're running for chairman, so you done It took Myervin Arrington and Dana out and asked them to step down from allegedly, so that you could run for chairman. So this is what the act's been, this is what the marathon been doing proclamations and all that stuff. Girl, bye, up your seat.

1:03:30Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds, thank you.

1:03:31Speaker 5

We coming forward.

1:03:32Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you.

1:03:34 – 1:03:50Speaker 16

Next six speakers please come forward. Esso Harper, Cameron Hoodcree, Peter Monk, Anne Louise Hatfield, Mae Whiteside, and Janet Hill.

1:04:05 – 1:04:34Speaker 20

Good morning. My name is Shalif Harper. First of all, I wanna thank the board of commissioner for allowing me once again an opportunity to address the pay increase for the board of equalization. Last year, this time, a few of us came to appear for the board increase from 100 to $200 a day. But just keep in mind that we only work two days a week.

1:04:34 – 1:05:42Speaker 20

The commissioner commissioner picked back in March, a couple of us, we had a private meeting with you. And in that private meeting, you clearly let us know that during the meeting, would assure that the BOE number one priority in the supplemental budget in June 2025. At that time, you did, however, cite the certain top of county priorities that would take number one priority is for the county jail as as well as to snap in the housing, the shortfall of the budget should be the federal government if they shut down. Commissioner Picks, you have always been a man of integrity, and we respect you. We recognize and understand that the jail will continue to be an ongoing issue for the county, but it also appeared that both potential crisis has been adverse.

1:05:42 – 1:06:01Speaker 20

And so I'm back again asking the commissioner now for just to consider the border equalization pay increase. Alright. Fifteen seconds. Just remember, we do bring revenue to Fulton County. Thank you all again.

1:06:10 – 1:07:01Speaker 30

My name is Ann Louise Hatfield. I came to Fulton County in Atlanta in 1967 as a bride and as a teacher at Pace Academy. Half of my family, with roots in North Carolina since 1654, have been extensive advocates. I get teased about the fact that my DNA is just advocating. I've been a member of the Board of Equalization since the early two thousands and have found that the grand jury members who approve us, after we're invited to submit an application, that they are very aware of the expertise that we bring to the Board of Equalization.

1:07:02 – 1:07:56Speaker 30

We all have, or most of us have advanced degrees, have participated in many activities that affect where we live, for the betterment of our county, and we arrive at the office like this morning, I was there by 06:30. We arrive at the office early before the cases so that we can review the cases to have an understanding of what is to come before us. We, with our knowledge and experience, we see that our educated decisions greatly affect the lifestyle of those people who own the property in Fulton County. Thusly, the budget of Fulton County is affected by our work. For years, the BOE members

1:07:56Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds, ma'am.

1:07:58 – 1:08:14Speaker 30

Have heard that there's no money in the budget. But my question to you is, have you heard how much we provide the budget with money? That should make the difference. For me personally, a $100 is not.

1:08:28 – 1:08:40Speaker 31

Can I start? Hello. My hello, commissioners. My name is Cameron Hoodrie. I live in Roswell and have opposition to the pros proposed MARTA bus service cuts in the northern portion of the county.

1:08:41 – 1:09:14Speaker 31

I ride MARTA regularly, usually multiple times a week. Public transportation is essential to any major city, including the suburbs. Despite having some of the worst traffic in the nation, MARTA currently wants to cut many of the suburban routes as part of a bus redesign and reallocate funding to other areas of the other areas of the system like within Atlanta and as well as the Cab and Clayton Counties. The city Of Atlanta and other counties pay their own sales tax. The northern portion of the county pays the 1% sales tax and we should get our share of the transit.

1:09:15 – 1:09:53Speaker 31

If 1% is not enough consider holding our referendum to bring this tax up slightly. Also, most of the service in North Fulton is around North Point Mall and Alpharetta, not the whole re area. Please consider working with the suburban cities such as Roswell, Johns Creek and Milton as well as MARTA to increase rideshare bus system coverage in the northern portion of the county instead of using the taxpayers of North Fulton to fund other areas and counties. If we focus on serving more residents efficiently, ridership will go up and the state may decide to step in and provide funding bringing up transit funding for all Metro Atlanta counties. Thank you very much.

1:10:00 – 1:10:44Speaker 32

Mister chairman, good morning. My name is Peter Monk. I'm an attorney at the law firm of Nelson Mullins Riley and Scarborough. I'm here today on behalf of JC Water Partners, which is a joint venture between Operations Management International Incorporated or OMI and Corporate Environmental Risk Management. Joining me on behalf of JC Water Partners today are several individuals, including executive vice president, mister Tom Meinhardt, and also attorney Kevin Ross. I put my name on the list to speak today to agenda item two five dash zero nine eight three. Because that item has now been removed, I have nothing further to say. JC Water Partners looks forward to the commission's review of its protest and appreciates the consideration of its due process rights. Thank you, commissioner.

1:10:53 – 1:11:23Speaker 33

Hi. Good morning, commissioners. My name is May Whiteside Williams. I'm a chief executive officer of civil engineering firm and I am a resident of North Buckhead in Fulton County. And I will be honest, when I first heard about the initiative of Fulton County Women's Commission and the Healthy Women's Healthy Families grant, I heard about it on Instagram and immediately I thought, might want to get in contact with my commissioner to find out the status of it and then also at a business meeting, also learned from Commissioner Barrett about the challenges in passing so.

1:11:23 – 1:12:11Speaker 33

I wanted to also mention in addition to my business, I'm actively involved in women's civic and service organizations which gives me a first hand view of how local policy decisions affect families and the non profits that serve them. Again, I'm here in strong support of establishing the Fulton County Women's Commission and the $1,000,000 grant for the Healthy Women, Healthy Families program. These measures reflect our shared values as a county that believes in a health, economic empowerment, education, dignity and opportunity that should be accessible to everyone. But also as an employer, I see the whole person behind every job title. When women are healthy, safe and supported, they're better able to care for their families, show up to my business, contribute fully to our communities.

1:12:12 – 1:12:37Speaker 33

A women's commission ensures women voices help inform policies that shape everyday life in Fulton County. I believe this program supports trusted nonprofits providing maternal care, mental health services, cancer screenings, agent support and violence prevention. These services create the stability and hope for women and families across our country. I urge you to vote for those two measures. Thank you for your leadership and the opportunity to speak.

1:12:44 – 1:13:07Speaker 34

Good morning. I'm Ms. Hill, an advocate of deed fraud and I'm here again to remind the Fulton County Commissioners that you are public servants. We have to work together to address this issue of defraud crimes. They are crimes, it is a felony.

1:13:09 – 1:14:02Speaker 34

We are not going to be bullied, we're not gonna be threatened and we're not gonna be rage baited by people like Mo Ivory when we come forward to report these crimes. This is your document from your clerk of the court and it states, in 2021 there was 11,578 reported cases of real real real estate fraud totaling more than $350,000,000 in damages. Those aren't my words, it's a reliable source and it's coming from your clerk of the court. I do want to give you some good news. Recently, there have been a couple cases that have been adjudicated.

1:14:02 – 1:14:33Speaker 34

We have one we believe that was just recently adjudicated locally and their property was returned. Another Georgia case, we found out that a fake government entity which was posing itself as a buyer, they withdrew their claim. So, these fake fraudulent transactions can be traced through the evidence that you have in your custody.

1:14:33Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds.

1:14:35 – 1:14:48Speaker 34

So, thank you Commissioner Thorne, thank you Khadija for your commitment and concern because when we leave here today, we're going out to help a homeowner who had their property stolen and sleeping in their car.

1:14:53 – 1:15:07Speaker 16

Last six speakers in assembly hall, please come forward. Josh Milton, Mohammed, Marge McCloud, Lauren Waits, Marshall McKee, Reed Stilson, and Alicia Stalwart.

1:15:16 – 1:15:36Speaker 35

Good morning commissioners. My name is Lauren Waits, twenty five year resident of Fulton County, new Georgia State College of Law 1L. Thank you for your time serving because we don't have to. I figure a personal story may help on this cause. My son, my middle kid was born at Piedmont Hospital.

1:15:36 – 1:16:17Speaker 35

He went to K through 12 Atlanta Public Schools. He went to Georgia Tech on the Hope Scholarship. He even managed to get a master's degree there and he refused to stay in Georgia because he wants to start a family. I'm here to ask you to support the Women's Commission, I'm asking you to support healthy families because the best and brightest of our scientists know that if they want the highest quality medical care, they need to go outside of Georgia for reproductive health. I am well aware that you all are not the legislators, the elected officials who voted for Georgia's six week abortion ban, but it is profoundly harmful not just to women but to families.

1:16:18 – 1:16:48Speaker 35

We need better medical care and I would just ask particularly given the timeliness of that one and the fact that it won't cost you a dime that you put Fulton County on the record. We had a beautiful, wonderful, amazing aerospace company that we just looked, I just learned about this morning whose workers would have better medical care if they stay in The Czech Republic. And I would ask that you be honest with all businesses that are moving here until and unless we can address the grave problem and risks to women's health. Thank you so much.

1:16:55 – 1:17:07Speaker 36

Good afternoon. Good afternoon. My name is Reed Stilson. I am a Fulton County resident, a renter. I'm a candidate for County Commissioner and I live and work in the Buckhead area where I'm a leader of a local coffee shop and a community hub.

1:17:08 – 1:17:49Speaker 36

And, today, I'm here to speak in support of action items 250,935, six and seven affirming that reproductive rights are human rights, establishing a Fulton County Women's Commission, as well as establishing a Healthy Women, Healthy Families grant program. You see, my partner and I won't be having biological children of our own. That was a deeply personal decision guided by our doctor's advice as well as our own personal views, wants and needs. However, when Roe v. Wade was sadly overturned and George's egregious six week abortion ban was fully put into effect, we were forced to face the reality that now only one of us has the full freedom and bodily autonomy to keep with that decision.

1:17:50 – 1:18:21Speaker 36

So with the advice and guidance of my doctors, I ended up scheduling a vasectomy. And frankly, this was almost too easy because as a man, my bodily autonomy has never been questioned. Yet, if my fiance wished to partake in any number of related procedures to ensure that she had full control over her reproductive ability, she must rely on having permission granted by our government. Let me be clear. No one tells my fiance what to do with her body but her.

1:18:22 – 1:18:46Speaker 36

And, that goes for every single woman in this county and in this country. To continue to legislate or behave otherwise as a government is not only regressive and harmful, but wholeheartedly shameful. So please, let us here in Fulton set an example for the rest of Georgia and the nation. Vote for these resolutions affirming that, as the good doctor once said, none of us are free until all of us are free.

1:18:46Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds. Thank you.

1:18:55 – 1:19:34Speaker 37

Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Vice Chair and members of the Board. I am here today to request your support for the Marshal's Office 2026 budget enhancement request. Our request is not an expansion of mission, but it is merely a continuation of our responsibility to the courts, the county, the public, and to the citizens of Fulton County. Every dollar requested is directly tied to maintaining court security, executing lawful orders, and ensuring safe uninterrupted judicial operations across the county.

1:19:35 – 1:20:25Speaker 37

Over the past years, our office has experienced staffing challenges due to increased service demands from the courts as well as the public. To continue operating efficiently and responsibly, we have delayed in some areas critical needs in order to maximize the existing resources to fulfill the core responsibilities. However, there is a point at which doing more with less begins to impact the readiness and safety of the staff and the service delivery to the courts and the public. Therefore, the majority of our budget request is for additional personnel. Our current staffing levels are not sufficient to fully staff the courts, consistently meet statutory deadlines for the service of civil documents, or efficiently execute dispossessory actions.

1:20:25 – 1:20:59Speaker 37

These gaps create delays that directly impact court operations and public access to justice. One critical component which I like to point out is the request for an addition of a dedicated technical support person to handle the ongoing technical issues that cause daily frequent disruptions. Having this position will limit downtime and ensure continuity of service. So simply stated, this budget request is about meeting our legal obligations and keeping the courts functioning without delay. Thank you.

1:21:06 – 1:21:52Speaker 38

Good morning. I wanna take personal privilege as a Fulton County resident living in Hunter Hills to speak on these critical resolutions. My name is Alicia Stallworth. I am also the state director for reproductive freedom for all, which represents over 33,000 members in Fulton County. Today, you are considering three resolutions that will affirm that reproductive rights are human rights, establish an official women's commission to advise the board on policies around women's health, economic opportunity, safety, leadership, and other gender equity issues, and you have an opportunity to create a 1,000,000 annual grant fund for nonprofits working on maternal health, reproductive care, and broader services that support women and families.

1:21:52 – 1:22:22Speaker 38

Each commissioner gets to appoint two people to the women's commission, giving the community a direct voice in shaping policy. It is actually unfathomable that you already don't have this commission established, especially given the state of crisis we are in. Fulton County is already overrun as so many people come to the inner city seeking care. I don't have to tell you all the statistics, you've heard it, heard them, you've received the information. But these policies before you, they're not about politics, they're about helping women.

1:22:22 – 1:22:52Speaker 38

Women are the backbone of our families, our communities, and our economy, and all these measures recognize that reality. Thank you commissioners Barrett, Moe Ivory, and Arrington for standing up for women and families. Thank you for your commitment and standing steadfast. I know it's not easy. Amber Nicole Thurman, Canda Miller, Adriana Smith, these are names that remind us of what's at stake. We know the statistics around maternal health in Georgia. This is not about policy. It's a crisis and our leaders must act.

1:22:52Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds.

1:22:53 – 1:23:12Speaker 38

I am deeply disappointed in my commissioner Khadija in how you have stood up and not stood for women in policy. And you describe yourself as a human rights advocate and social justice leader. It's not being shown, ma'am. So I urge all Fulton County commit

1:23:13Speaker 38

Statements. They are by state

1:23:16Speaker 1

commitment. You.

1:23:21Speaker 16

Mister chairman and members of the board, we have six speakers on Zoom.

1:23:25Speaker 39

Good morning, commissioners. The first person to speak is Robbie Caban.

1:23:36Speaker 2

Hello? Hello?

1:23:39Speaker 1

We can hear you.

1:23:41 – 1:24:25Speaker 40

Thank you. I support efforts to eliminate corruption, waste, and misuse of taxpayer funds. County and city officials have a fiduciary duty to ensure public money is spent lawfully, services paid for are delivered, and oversight is enforced. These duties directly impact public safety, public health, and the public interest, particularly in criminal justice systems, magistrate court operations involving deed, fraud, and predatory real estate practice and animal control services, a public safety matter. I wanna re reference a publicly posted comment by our current Fulton County employee, mister Trevin Law, the animal services coordinator at the Department of Emergency Management and Homeland Security.

1:24:26 – 1:25:10Speaker 40

Who alleges over ten years of experience in million dollar animal welfare contracts. The comment alleges that the city of Atlanta paid Fulton County for animal control calls that were not responded to for services outside of proper jurisdiction and for costs associated with a new facility despite a lack of service delivery. The commenter current employee for Fulton County states that they have never observed such limited government oversight elsewhere. If accurate, these allegations raise serious concerns regarding breach of fiduciary duty, failure of contract enforcement, and waste of taxpayer funds. Similar concerns arise when the court and enforcement systems are used in ways that enable or fail to prevent deed fraud.

1:25:10 – 1:25:43Speaker 40

As taxes increase, residents like myself deserve accountability. What enforcement occurred when services are not delivered? Were these allegations investigated at the time they were made, or were they ignored? What audits or reimbursements protect taxpayers like me? And what safeguards prevent abuse from enforcement? I will follow-up by email for the record. Prior emails I sent, including to the county manager, Dick Anderson, have never received a response or Moe Ivory, whose staff asked me to email and then failed to respond.

1:25:47Speaker 39

The next person to speak is Nikki Buggs. Nikki Buggs. Buggs.

1:25:57Speaker 27

Alright. Thank you. Thank Thank you. Thank you.

1:26:01Speaker 39

Your volume down on your on your speakers.

1:26:06 – 1:26:46Speaker 41

Alright. Ladies and gentlemen, I speak to you again today about the urgent and ongoing egregious and abusive challenges that the homeowner of the Landmark Condominium in Atlanta have been and continue to face. These are merely not inconveniences but serious concerns that are affecting the safety, financial stability, steadily declining property value, and quality of life for residents. To date, there was a two a 26% compounded CPI increase in HOA fees last year. And then a pending 1.8 increase this year plus a 1.8 increase on a double billing of water.

1:26:46 – 1:27:17Speaker 41

The monthly HOAs are as high as $1,300 a month. We received double billing of water, gas, electricity, and extensive contract for Internet service. Capital assessments imposed on homeowners due to a fire that took place in a private space with a private investor company, January 17. Frivolous fines commencing at $500, the confiscation of common spaces. The recent, December 12, this past weekend, deactivation of access codes for homeowners to enter the building to access their own personal units.

1:27:17 – 1:27:52Speaker 41

So now we have homeowners that their codes were intentionally deactivated, and they cannot get into the building to access their unit, which ultimately reconfirms that the homeowners are being surveilled at this time. Safety concerns, transient traffic, and increased violence. The building was not designed to accommodate such short term rental, hotel transient visits, such as this. The building was designed as a residential building. To date, we have shootings, stabbings, killings, deaths, tragic tragic events that have shaken our community. The influence of transient visitors has created

1:27:52Speaker 1

Fifteen seconds.

1:27:54 – 1:28:12Speaker 41

For homeowners that feel unsafe. We do not deserve this. We've asked for your help. We've asked for the city and the state's help. The homeowners of the landmark have done nothing wrong but to defend our homes for those who made the conscious decision to steal our homes and our building.

1:28:14 – 1:28:52Speaker 39

The next person to speak is Ian Elkins. Elkins. Ian Elkins. Next person to speak is Shanette Williams. Shanette Williams. Next person to speak is Shelley Steele. Shelley Steele. And this concludes our Zoom public comments.

1:28:52Speaker 1

Thank you. Continue, madam clerk.

1:28:54 – 1:29:05Speaker 16

On page seven, county manager's items under open and responsible government, twenty five zero nine six three, presentation of the Fulton County operational report.

1:29:06Speaker 1

Mister manager. Good morning,

1:29:08 – 1:29:26Speaker 42

mister chairman and commissioners. We will have the normal overview of justice related issues. Of course, we'll give you the latest update on the fire at the jail on Friday. I've asked Joe to to add that to the report while not printed. He'll provide that verbally.

1:29:26 – 1:30:11Speaker 42

We're also gonna spend a fair amount of time on animal control or animal services today with the transfer of field operations to Fulton County Police Department, a revised contract and KPIs before we ask for your approval on, that contract later in the agenda. You'll see as Steve comes forward, the jail population is remaining steady at 2,900, 58 more being released in this last month and brought in, so that's good. There is an uptick in use of the diversion center, two twenty four diversions, that's also positive, and five fourteen on electronic monitoring. So, we continue to look for and support alternatives to incarceration. We do have some additional vacant beds based on the blitz.

1:30:11 – 1:30:53Speaker 42

However, the fire itself caused those to be utilized. So, again, Joe will sort through that when he gets to his section. We have had our first review of the construction timelines associated with both the construction of the new building, special purpose building as well as the renovation. We'll be sorting through the implications of those timelines, the requirements for bond issuance and we anticipate bringing that after the first of the year to share with the board. In animal services, I just want to say before we get into that, we've completed the negotiations with Life so I'm pleased with that.

1:30:53 – 1:31:11Speaker 42

Those went well. The scheduled transfer now is ongoing, so folks are moving to Fulton County Police Department. We've covered each city on this move, each city manager or their representative. We had two meetings, one in the North, one in the South. Those meetings went very, very well.

1:31:11 – 1:31:46Speaker 42

They're pleased with this move. And as well, I think the KPIs that are being established for shelter operations that Lifeline will be responsible for have been strengthened and I think you'll be pleased to see the specificity that we'll share today. Generally though, responsible pet ownership is the key. We're up to over a 40% increase in the number of animals being turned over to our shelter, so that's almost a thousand a month. So, adoptions and again, responsible pet ownership are really key to keeping that population fundamentally in track.

1:31:47 – 1:32:13Speaker 42

And then last, as an item today, you will see, which is important, the application for Fulton County Executive Airport to have its own fire services. We're well down that road in terms of planning, funding, operationalizing and staffing, but we have the necessity to reestablish ourselves, if you will, with certification from the state. So Joe Barriswain will cover that. Steve, turn it over to you.

1:32:13 – 1:32:46Speaker 11

Great. Thank you, County Manager. Steve Neraki, Strategy Office. Can we go to the first slide please? Can we advance to the next one? Great, thanks. One more. Go to slide five please. Can we advance please? Next slide, next slide.

1:32:46 – 1:33:13Speaker 11

One more please. Alright, great. We'll start with our, excuse me, we'll start with our justice system scorecard where you'll see we have stayed mostly consistent for each measure relative to last month. First, we'll start with the average length of stay where we did see a one day decrease down to forty eight days. Moving to the jail population unindicted without other charges, you'll see that did maintain at sixteen percent, So no change there.

1:33:14 – 1:33:48Speaker 11

The clearance rate for felony criminal cases did decrease by four percent down to seventy eight percent for the month of November. But we did see improvements for felony cases disposed within one hundred and eighty and three sixty five days, up 94% over the month respectively. Next slide. We'll now go to our jail population update. As the county manager mentioned, we are holding fairly steady month over month with our average jail population seeing 2,966 for the month of November.

1:33:48 – 1:34:21Speaker 11

We did do a one day snapshot in December on the seventh and that number was 2,921 with 45 inmates on the floor. Next slide. We can go to the next. Here we have the one day snapshot for the length of stay for currently incarcerated inmates. As of December 2 on this report, 2,969 inmates or 50% have been incarcerated for ninety days or less while about 16% are incarcerated for greater than one year.

1:34:21 – 1:34:50Speaker 11

And again these numbers have been fairly consistent month over month. The average duration for currently incarcerated inmates is two zero five days, which is a one day improvement compared to last month. Next slide. Next is the facility utilization update for the jail population. And the county manager mentioned this, I'll stress again, the information on this slide is as of December 8, so several days before the fire at Rice Street.

1:34:50 – 1:35:15Speaker 11

So these numbers do not reflect the current situation. You can see though as of last week there were two zero four vacant beds. This represents the completion of 7 South Blitz where the sheriff's office was preparing to occupy that space. But as the county manager said, Mr. Davis will give an update on the bed moves required post damage last week from the fire.

1:35:15 – 1:35:40Speaker 11

Next slide. Next we have the inmate analysis of our jail population. 71% or 2,073 inmates are either indicted or accused or both indicted and accused, while 16% remain unindicted. We can go to the next slide for a breakdown. Here we've got the aging of our unindicted population in the jail.

1:35:40 – 1:36:05Speaker 11

Sixty seven percent or three twenty two inmates have been unindicted for ninety days or less. And I'll note, we've continued a few months now where there are no inmates unindicted greater than one year. Next slide. We'll look now at the county funded ankle monitoring program where you'll see we have currently five fourteen participants in the program. Go to the next slide.

1:36:08 – 1:36:40Speaker 11

Looking at the six month rolling participation, you'll see there is a decline of 58 monitors being used between the October number of five seventy two down to five fourteen for the month of November. We are still holding roughly steady though in terms of the percent of monitors that are in use less than one year and greater than one year. So fifty eight percent and forty two percent respectively. Next slide. And last, we'll close with the update on the diversion center.

1:36:41 – 1:37:07Speaker 11

Again, great news. As mentioned, we have hit a high watermark for monthly diversions in November with two twenty four. Looking at the policing jurisdictions on this slide, you'll see that Atlanta leads with a 145 followed by MARTA and our Fulton County Police Department. We've got six other cities represented along with two universities, Georgia Tech and Georgia State, and also have the Georgia World Congress Center. Next slide.

1:37:10 – 1:37:38Speaker 11

And here we have go back one, seventeen please. Thanks. Here we have the diversions by charge. So again, staying with the month of November, the 02/24, we do continue to see criminal trespass and disorderly conduct as the two most prevalent charges for individuals brought into the diversion center. And I want to call out, while not in the report right now, we are working with Grady leadership at the diversion center to build out a report around the outcomes.

1:37:38 – 1:37:59Speaker 11

So focusing on the programs and services that individuals have received. So looking to have that in our January report next month. Go to the next slide, thanks. And last now we'll shift to year to date data for the diversion center. You'll see here we've had as of the November twelve eighty three diversions.

1:38:00 – 1:38:50Speaker 11

Looking at the charts on the right for the twenty twenty five year to date diversions, you'll see there has been a pretty significant upward trend since September where we were at 104 up to 159 in October and again up to two twenty four in November. You'll see below that for the daily census that trend matches almost exactly where in September we had only an average daily census of three and have now ended at census of eight for November. And then shifting over to the pie chart on the right, these numbers have also held fairly consistent month over month where 72% have completed programming with 6% discharged to the hospital. So that marks seventy eight percent which would be considered a successful diversion. And with that I can take any questions.

1:38:50Speaker 1

All right, are there questions? Commissioner Barrett.

1:38:54 – 1:39:10Speaker 4

Thank you, mister chairman. Thank you for the report, Naraki. Just a quick question on the first of all, it's great to see the numbers on the diversion center heading in the right direction, although eight is still pretty low. Just as a reminder, how many can we, you know, really take in a day?

1:39:10Speaker 11

The max is 40.

1:39:12Speaker 4

Okay. So we're, we still have a long way to go.

1:39:14Speaker 4

Do we feel like we've done like, is this because we've educated more of the police officers? Is that really what's happening do you think?

1:39:22 – 1:39:51Speaker 11

I think there's a great example of education to the policing jurisdictions. You can see if we go back to slide two, I think it's 16, MARTA had a significant increase. They were in the single digits month over month and then diversion center staff went and met with the MARTA Police Force and you can see like within a month it shot up from single digits to 32. So communicating, educating that outreach, it is showing that it's paying dividends there.

1:39:51 – 1:40:10Speaker 4

Okay. And so, know, obviously the goal among other things is to, one of the goals I should say is to have less people booked into the jail. And so, when do you expect to start seeing a correlation between diversion center numbers and booking numbers?

1:40:12 – 1:41:15Speaker 11

That's a good question. I don't know that we've been able to tie a direct line to diversions to jail population probably because they are on the lower side, two twenty four diversions relative to a jail population of 3,000. Hopefully though, kind of to your point Commissioner, as we start to get higher into that cap is when you may see a better correlation for increased diversions to lower jail population. I think something that we're exploring right now, and the county manager alluded to this right now, is we're looking at moving into our jail program, what are some of the major levers we need to pull in the overall planning of that lower jail population is one of them. And so if that means increasing diversions, whether it's at the diversion center, whether it's increased ankle monitor use or all the other strategies out there, I think we really need to re up on leaning in to what those initiatives can be.

1:41:16 – 1:41:56Speaker 42

Let me just add to that because I think your question's great. I don't know that I could say that this is statistically significant because it's one month, but if you looked back at page seven, it's nineteen twenty five are the numbers coming in, seventeen forty six were the numbers in November. So it's almost 200 and there's 200 diversions. So and it's going in the right direction and we netted 58. But you know, it's still it's at the margin, but I think the question is right on. And I'm hopeful that they do continue, you know, if this goes up then bookings go down and the releases stay about the same, we could start to make some significant progress.

1:41:56 – 1:42:25Speaker 4

Yeah, mean it's obviously the goal. So thank you. And I think if we can continue to make that correlation and sort of recognize that the numbers are sort of intertwined however small they are right now, you know I think it's good information for the public who I think is very much encouraging us to continue to work on diversion efforts across the board. I had one other question about the jail and it might be more of a dream question, don't really know. It's sort of a combo question I think.

1:42:25 – 1:42:56Speaker 4

Okay. Given the situation with the fire and you mentioned the housing unit being the one that was just finished 7 South being used to evacuate the folks from 7 North too. I think it brings up for me the question of and I'm kind of directing it to both of you at the moment. But I think that it it it begs the question for me of what is the plan should something because they got sort of weirdly lucky that that whole unit was available. I hate to say lucky because it was a bad situation. But what's the plan should something like this happen again? Do we have

1:42:57 – 1:43:14Speaker 3

Commissioner Barrett, excuse me for one second. I would like to make a point of order for there to be quiet when a commissioner has the floor. What's your point of I can't hear you. My point of order is that there are other commissioners loud convening with their staff while a commissioner has the floor. And it's disturbing.

1:43:14Speaker 1

I'm saying. Commissioner Service.

1:43:20 – 1:44:01Speaker 4

Thank you. So what I'm I'm wondering is what's the is there sort of a standard, guess, and this is maybe a mister Neraki, mister Anderson question about what how many sort of available beds you should have avail you know, in case of an emergency like this where some beds go offline for whatever reason, whether it's fire or something else. Is there sort of a standard number from an industry perspective? And then the secondary question is do we have that? Because again, this was sort of a weirdly fortunate situation that the next door block was available with seven South being available and seven North had a problem. And I

1:44:01Speaker 3

know that's not going to

1:44:01Speaker 4

happen sort of automatically if there's a next time. So that I'm just sort of wanting to make sure we're future proofing here.

1:44:10 – 1:44:55Speaker 44

Good morning commissioners. We've been advised that the standard for beds in reserve if you will is ultimately related to the needs for classification And the Sheriff's Office has indicated that that number is 15% of your total number of beds. But in terms of fallback space, if you will, in the event of an emergency, it's a little bit difficult to determine what that need is as emergencies may span from small to large in terms of the number of impacted inmates. But during my report, I will go into a little bit more detail as it relates to the bed count and what was affected by the fire and essentially where that leaves the sheriff's office in terms of available bed space.

1:44:55 – 1:45:19Speaker 4

I appreciate that. I think the other thing is, know, and I don't know and perhaps we haven't, this is a question, you know, not not me making a statement, but I would assume we also need if we don't have a full sort of evacuation plan, what happens if the whole building, you know, needs to be evacuated? Where do we move the inmates to in a scenario like that? So does that exist or do we need to work on that?

1:45:19Speaker 42

That would be a sheriff's office responsibility. So I'm I have not reviewed their evacuation plan, but we certainly could ask and bring it back. I mean, it's very timely now.

1:45:28 – 1:45:43Speaker 4

It just seems, yeah, that the fire sort of brought that all to light and and again thankfully we did not have to do that in this scenario and also thankfully everybody is okay that got through that. But I don't know, mister Neraki, did you have anything to add on? Okay. Thank you guys. Appreciate it.

1:45:44Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne.

1:45:47 – 1:45:59Speaker 2

Thank you. When you look at the length of stay for the currently incarcerated, it says we have an average duration of two hundred and five days. What is the goal to get down to?

1:46:00 – 1:46:25Speaker 11

I'm not sure that there is a target, Commissioner Thorne. I know for average length of stay where we're tracking those that have exited the jail versus the two zero five days is a snapshot of those currently in. That has a national court standard of thirty days. I don't know off top of my head what a national standard would be for those currently incarcerated, but I can look into that.

1:46:25 – 1:46:41Speaker 2

Okay. If you can find that out, that'd I be knew the thirty days Right. Which you have people who kinda come in, they maybe stay a few hours bond out. Exactly. That's why that number goes low. Exactly. But this two hundred five days is the one where the people are staying Yes, ma'am. Overnight.

1:46:42 – 1:47:16Speaker 2

And I think that's a crucial number. If there is a target, maybe there maybe there isn't. And then I was wondering if you could kind of give the listening public the reason we have electronic monitoring in place, just a little background on that on because I hear so many things that there are people with $25 bonds and they can't they're in our jail and clogging our jail because they can't afford bond. But we instituted this electronic monitoring program in 2023.

1:47:16Speaker 11

That sounds right. Right.

1:47:18Speaker 2

And we put a cap of about 1,500 where the county pays for it. Whereas in the past, the individual would have to pay for it.

1:47:27Speaker 2

But this is this electronic monitoring, think it's crucial that the public knows that we have it available.

1:47:35Speaker 11

Correct. Do you want me to expand on

1:47:37Speaker 2

anything? Yeah. You wanna expand on any way?

1:47:39 – 1:48:09Speaker 11

It's right. So these monitors are largely applied currently at first appearance. So when individuals are going through and they're assigned by a magistrate judge working on behalf of the superior court. And so that's really the primary path to getting assigned an ankle monitor previously during ORCA, so which would have been during that 2023 timeframe because we closed that out at the 2024. The DA's office and the public defender's office were holding a regular scheduled meeting.

1:48:09 – 1:48:41Speaker 11

I forget if it was biweekly, twice a month, but there was some regular cadence. And these were to review consent bond, what are called consent bonds. And what they would consent to is a release and then have an ankle monitor applied to those individuals. So that was two paths that were running concurrently and probably why we saw a significantly larger amount of usage back then. Since ORCA has ended, the meetings between the public defender's office and the DA's office have ceased.

1:48:41 – 1:48:57Speaker 11

And so I think that's kind of limited the pipeline of monitors that are being applied. But we certainly encourage usage. I mean any strategy again to reduce the jail population for those appropriate that shouldn't really be in the jail. Yes ma'am.

1:48:57 – 1:49:34Speaker 6

Vice Chair Ellis. Yeah I wanted to follow-up on actually what you just said. We've had a clear focus on trying to, through the use of diversion and other techniques, to reduce a jail population. And this electronic monitoring thing was something specifically that we changed the way that we operate with that in order to drive down the jail population. And it appeared to have a high degree of effectiveness for a period of time.

1:49:36 – 1:50:02Speaker 6

Now, I'm not seeking to question all the parties involved in this, but one could look at this now and say it's becoming a neglected tool by the justice system when we see the use of it go down from $7.26 to $5.14. And we've got a cap on this of like 1,400 or $1,500

1:50:06 – 1:51:11Speaker 6

specifically noting that in the six months or less category, maybe you would expect it to fall off in some of the higher category because people would have looked at it and said, Okay, they don't need it, whatever. But to see that number fall off in six months or less in a year or less is kind of somewhat concerning. And to hear you say that two parties were meeting when we had a program and now they're not meeting now, I don't think the program should have anything to do with whether parties are meeting and working to utilize a tool that could get people out of being incarcerated and move into a monitoring situation if they were indeed eligible for it. So I don't know how we garner some more insight into that and get some sort of assurances that this is a tool that's effectively being utilized by the justice partners. But I do think that's critical because this is a material drop off.

1:51:11 – 1:51:44Speaker 6

Then if there are legitimate reasons for it, then okay, that's fine. But to hear say, okay, we've got two key parties in the equation which are no longer having regular contact, that's a high degree of concern. So I don't know how we break that. I just want to sort of broach it and perhaps we could have the public defender come down and talk with us. Perhaps you all can just go back and encourage those meetings to reform and take place etcetera. Thank you.

1:51:45Speaker 1

Commissioner Harrington.

1:51:59 – 1:52:22Speaker 15

Thank you for your presentation. I don't know that we're tracking or maybe I didn't see it, but we were up over 3,000 inmates at one point. And, we got down to 2,500 or less than 2,500.

1:52:23Speaker 11

Early last year, yes sir.

1:52:25Speaker 15

And, now we're back up to 3,000.

1:52:31 – 1:52:57Speaker 15

So, all those other numbers are really irrelevant if we're back up to 3,000. Coming in, going out, this and that, we're back at 3,000. What what is the plan to get back below 3,000 back to 2500? Because, I mean, we can we can track all of this ankle monitor in, out, average length of stay.

1:52:59 – 1:53:38Speaker 15

population is the problem. Right? And so, where do we where where is that slide? Where is the total population slide that shows our high point, our low point, and where we are today? That's the slide I would like to see. Because otherwise, it doesn't matter. And I'm not I'm not trying to belittle you. I'm just saying if if we're back at 3,000 and we went down to 2,500 and we're back at 3,000, there's a problem.

1:53:38 – 1:54:16Speaker 15

Or, at least we need to acknowledge that we're back at 3,000, right? Because, I mean, at the end of the day, that's the problem, right? And so, all these other numbers are good, but if we're not tracking the total population, that that that's the the number I believe that counts the most. Right? And so, need to be looking at that over time because that should be guiding our budget.

1:54:17 – 1:54:58Speaker 15

Right? What were we doing to get it down to 2,500? Right? Right. What additional staffing did we have? I need to see the staffing chart to go there with that. I need to see the DA and the public defender staffing chart to go with that. Right? Because if we took staff away, if they lost worker, if they lost the temporary positions and now we're going back up by another 500 inmates, that should inform and guide us as we're looking at our making our budget decisions. Right?

1:54:58 – 1:55:40Speaker 15

Wow. We had 50 DAs and we got it down to 2,500. Now, we got 30 DAs and we're back up to 3,000 inmates. Those are the type of numbers that I need to see to help me. Right. Some people probably already know what they want to do. They just want to deny any budget request no matter what. I want the numbers. I want the numbers to dictate the decisions that we make. And I I would hope that others would want the numbers and the data to dictate those decisions as well.

1:55:41 – 1:56:26Speaker 15

So, I'm thankful for your report. It's it's good, but we're back up to 3,000 inmates. That that's the that's the long and short of all those slides you just presented. We're back up to 3,000 inmates. And so, now we need to be thinking, what are we going to do to get back down below 3,000 inmates? Right? How do we get back to 2,500? How do we get down to 2,000? And what budgetary priorities do we need to make in order to get there? And you may have some ideas or some recommendations, but, you know, all of this other stuff is is good background information.

1:56:26 – 1:56:50Speaker 15

But what matters the most is the total number of inmates in the system. And and what are the driving factors that helped us get it down before? And what are your recommendations to help drive it back down? That's the information I need. Thank you.

1:56:50 – 1:57:21Speaker 3

Yep. Commissioner Ivory? I'm so thankful for this conversation. Thank you, Commissioner Arrington, and thank you, Vice Chair Ellis, for the comments that you both just made about the electronic monitoring numbers and about the correlation between the budget and lessening the population of the jail. And of course, thank you for your report which we had an opportunity to talk about extensively yesterday.

1:57:21 – 1:58:17Speaker 3

I had an extensive meeting with the executive leadership team yesterday about question of what worked before when we had a crisis and what could work again. And, it incorporated both of your comments which seems to say that our jail issue should not be a political issue. It should just be about figuring out how to lessen the population of the inmates in the jail so we can get to fixing the jail problem. And, much of what we discussed yesterday felt so hopeful for that. And so, want to thank the entire executive team, county managers, CFOs, COO, finance team for sitting with my team and allowing us the opportunity to talk through those options because we talked about the ORCA money.

1:58:17 – 1:59:13Speaker 3

We talked as a budget item, Commissioner Arrington, and how that could be a true trigger for bringing down the population. We talked about utilizing the ankle monitoring program in a way that we had in the past that showed those results. So, I am so grateful to hear with no early conversations, without you all even knowing we had that meeting, that there are these ideas that we as a body could agree to and probably start trying to come to some cohesive agreement about doing something about the jail that should not be a political issue. So, I feel I feel happy. I feel a moment of wow, this may be something that we actually can sit down and work together and fix.

1:59:13 – 1:59:28Speaker 3

So, I'm grateful for your report. I'm grateful for your openness for that meeting and for many more to come and for what I believe is a consensus of us understanding that we may already have the solutions in our hands if we can just get together to pass them. So thank you.

1:59:28Speaker 1

Vice Chair Ellis.

1:59:31 – 2:00:12Speaker 6

Yeah and I, one thing I wanted to emphasize though that we have an existing tool, which we have funded, that we don't need to put any more budgetary dollars into. We are, in fact, we are underutilizing. And we're looking we see the total population, and that's provided to us, you know, two nine two one right now. Right. Right? And we've seen I do think all this other data is not you know, it's it's it's very useful. It is very telling because that number is 2921. Electronic monitoring's 700 up here in June, and it's 500 now. That's 200 something people. Okay?

2:00:12Speaker 6

That gets you halfway there. It was about a thousand when we started the year. Right? Maybe? Around.

2:00:19Speaker 11

Okay. I mean, but it's been There's your number. It's been a

2:00:21 – 2:00:46Speaker 6

You're at you're at 2500. Right. So this is not even a without doing anything from a budgetary standpoint, by utilizing this tool potentially, you're right back at it. And so and candidly, I mean, we can't control that. I mean, that's that requires the other parties involved to take action and utilize it. So we need some sort of feedback back about whether or not what's the utility

2:00:46Speaker 11

Right. The effectiveness.

2:00:48 – 2:01:31Speaker 6

And, you know, if the utility is it's only gonna be 500 people, we need to understand and understand that and adjust. I mean, don't need to fund it if that's if that's not the case. But I mean, if it was, you know, if it was working before, you know, maybe it shouldn't have been at this, but maybe it shouldn't be down here. That's just low hanging fruit. But we don't we've set up the impetus for it to occur, but we cannot, you can't make it occur and we can't make that occur. So I do think we need some feedback from the core judicial partners on this particular program and the extent to which we are funding it.

2:01:31Speaker 1

Yes, sir. Alright. Anything else? Nope. Thank you, chairman. Alright. Continue.

2:01:43 – 2:02:26Speaker 44

Good morning again, commissioners. Joseph Davis, real estate and asset management. If you can forward to the jail blitz section of the presentation. So as of November 27, we have completed 10 of 11 housing units assigned to phase one of the jail blitz program representing 91% of all housing areas. As you can see, we are currently on Area 3 South, which is critical for housing residents that require both physical and behavioral health attention.

2:02:27 – 2:03:27Speaker 44

We are projecting the completion of phase one at January 2020 excuse me, it's a typo here, January 2026, where we will then quickly move into phase two, which will be 6 South and 6 North sometime in the 2026. I think it's important to note that this report was compiled as of last Thursday. Unfortunately, we all are aware of the fire that occurred on Housing Unit 7 North, whereby the residents that were assigned to that area were evacuated to 7 South. We have extensive damage. I've been working directly with the jail complex since January 2006, And I have to admit that over the years and the innumerable fires that have occurred, this is probably the most significant in terms of damage to the area.

2:03:27 – 2:04:24Speaker 44

Housing Unit 600 On 7 North, we have extensive damage not only to the area where the fire was set, the shower, but extreme smoke that covered all surfaces in the area, as well as the flames reaching up to the ceiling, burning through the ceiling tiles, affecting wiring and mechanical equipment. We've begun the initial restoration work in terms of simple wipe downs and assessing, but we have a great deal more work to do, particularly on the engineering side as we determine what mechanical systems are impacted and will need to be replaced as a part of the recovery effort. Next slide please. Again, as of last week when this report was compiled, we were at a total of three thirty one beds out of service due to maintenance. We had returned two twenty four sales to service since our last report.

2:04:25 – 2:04:46Speaker 44

Now that number goes back to over 500 as a result of last Friday's fire. Next slide please. This is an overview of jail maintenance performance. There were 1,605 work orders issued in the month of November. 71% of those were completed.

2:04:46 – 2:05:40Speaker 44

There were also 228 work orders that were issued in November that were completed in the month of December going through December 10 for an effective completion of November work orders of 85%. We also had 337 preventive maintenance work orders scheduled with 82% of those being completed. We have a grand total of 1,021 work orders that are currently open with 553 of those in areas 6 North and 6 South, which are upcoming blitz areas that must be unoccupied in order for the work to commence. At the bottom of the slide, you see a graphical presentation of a three month overview of work orders to give an idea of how they come in and how many are being completed over time. We also have in the bottom right corner, just a graphical representation of the overall backlog.

2:05:41 – 2:06:05Speaker 44

We are trending downward at least in this particular cycle from October to November. The goal is to have those trend down even further. Next slide please. As you can see, the board approved several critical repairs and upgrades to the jail facility. The first one here on the list is probably most pertinent at this moment in time.

2:06:06 – 2:06:46Speaker 44

Board approved $723,000 to upgrade the jail's fire alarm system. That work was completed in August. We have begun subsequently another project to address the field devices, that's smoke detectors, strobe lights, things of that nature, sensors that began on September 29. We have completed roughly of the installation of field devices, nine of the 13 housing units. We're still going back and forth doing some troubleshooting to eliminate any potential issues, but we are projecting April for that work to be completed.

2:06:47 – 2:07:24Speaker 44

I think it's important to note that because of, the fire that we had in the jail this past week, the fire alarm system that was recently installed did the work that it was supposed to do. Personally, being on-site, we were able to see the head in, the areas that were impacted and the system reporting those, the sprinkler system activated. So the fortunate thing here is that the board's action to address this deficiency resulted in the system working as it should and ultimately to save lives. We completed the installation of padded cells at the South Annex. We completed the approved kitchen equipment.

2:07:24 – 2:07:40Speaker 44

We have two new washers on order that will be installed by December 21 at the main jail. And as you can also see, we have an elevator monetization RFP that closed on December 4 that's currently in evaluation. And that's the end of the report and I'll take any questions.

2:07:41Speaker 1

All right, questions?

2:07:44 – 2:08:23Speaker 42

Mr. Chairman, if I could just say kudos to Joe Davis. I've never seen anyone that is as committed to our facilities, always on-site, no matter what the time of of day. And, Joe, I wanna thank you for your leadership on-site. Also, we did talk to the insurance commissioner, John King, I did the day after, and then the chairman, the county attorney and I talked to him on Monday. And he was very complimentary of the staff that works directly with them, particularly on the implementation of these enhancements. And of course, his investigation is ongoing and Sue has assured his attorney that we stand ready to provide any and all information.

2:08:24Speaker 1

So are you going to say anything else about the fire?

2:08:28 – 2:08:39Speaker 44

I think because it's an ongoing investigation, any other information would be secondhand information and not formal. So, I'd prefer that either be answered Will by the sheriff's

2:08:40 – 2:08:56Speaker 1

receive a written report from the because I did have a conversation with the insurance commissioner, as the managers indicated. And will we receive a written report from him after he finishes his investigation of what really happened?

2:08:56Speaker 44

Yes. That is their standard protocol, and we would review that jointly with all parties involved and then, of course, forward it to the board.

2:09:04Speaker 1

And, have you had any direct conversations with the insurance commissioner about the fire?

2:09:09 – 2:09:25Speaker 44

I have not had direct conversations with the insurance commissioner himself. I have had conversations with the deputy chief who actually was on-site with the arson investigation team and it was essentially to fact find.

2:09:25Speaker 1

The arson investigation is ongoing.

2:09:28Speaker 44

That is correct. It began that night.

2:09:32Speaker 1

Anything else? Thank you. Continue.

2:09:37 – 2:10:05Speaker 42

Alright. We'll move to, animal services. And again, Mike will be presenting this and has done a terrific job organizing us, of course, for the direct responsibility. Byrne Sawyer, you know, is the division chief. Captain Dwyer is, in Fulton County Police and will be handling field operations for this. Court shows Paris Wang runs EMA and has overall responsibility. So Mike, if you'll guide us through and then we've got everyone here for question and answer.

2:10:05 – 2:10:37Speaker 45

Okay. Can we go to Slide 27 please? Mike Berwicki, Strategy and Performance Management. Again, to be here today to give you guys an update on the Lifeline and Animal Services project. Actually, again, as the kind of manager introduced everybody, the team here has worked hard between the Fulton County Police Department, Animal Services, purchasing, finance department to make this request for the amendment and the renewal of the contract come together.

2:10:37 – 2:11:10Speaker 45

So first, I'd like to actually highlight a couple of things about the renewal. So today, on the agenda, further down, you will actually have two agenda items for the lifeline contract. One is an amendment, which will actually change the KPIs of the terms that we have come up with. The other one will actually be the renewal of the contract for the FY 2026. With those requests, we just want to remind you that all of these costs that are in here are actually costs that are paid by our partners in our municipalities and our cities.

2:11:10 – 2:11:36Speaker 45

So it's a shared cost. And with these contract negotiations, what we actually expect the benefits to be is, again, is improved public safety. We've looked for enhanced delivery of services for our field services and shelter services. And we've looked for how we can actually make stronger management through the Fulton County Police with some of our services. Next slide, please.

2:11:38 – 2:12:43Speaker 45

What we actually want to highlight for you guys here is this is your contract terms that we're actually looking at for compensation with this. For FY 2025, the contract amount was $9,352,000 With the negotiations, what we've actually done is look for 2026. We have taken field services and actually moved that to the Fulton County Police Department. Therefore, we reduced the compensation for Lifeline Animal Services, and that new amount for Lifeline would be 7,440,000. With that, there is a difference of about $1,900,000 That $1,900,000 will actually be transferred over to the Fulton County Police Department to actually operate our field services and allows us to stay within the current budgets that the cities have agreed to us through their MOU for animal services.

2:12:43 – 2:13:14Speaker 45

Services. Next slide, please. As part of the contract negotiations, what we've actually done is created a series of updates to the scope of work and to key performance metrics and indicators for lifeline. And with this, I want to just highlight just a few of these as we go through that. First is that, we will only accept animals that are owned or found in Fulton County.

2:13:14 – 2:14:13Speaker 45

If we, for any reason, know that the animal came from a different jurisdiction outside of Fulton County, those animals will not be accepted according to the terms. All animals that are adopted will be spayed or neutered, as they go out, for services, or to be adopted through any of our, partners, unless there is a medical issue that a veterinarian says that that animal cannot be spayed or neutered. That would be the only reason. We will actually have facility repairs and requests designated in a timely fashion that they will use a specific system that we have set up for them through our contractors to make sure repairs are timely and they're done completely and we can track that. We've also added in here that there will be six hosted events in coordination with commissioner's offices and external affairs throughout the community that we will allow for adoption events.

2:14:13 – 2:14:44Speaker 45

And Lifeline will work with us to coordinate those with your offices. Next slide. Next part of the scope of work is staffing levels. We have agreed to the terms with Lifeline that for shelter services, they will maintain 90% staffing levels. If at any point in time those staffing levels go below that over ninety days in the time period, the county then has the right to review that with them and find out what that is and create a corrections plan for them.

2:14:45 – 2:15:17Speaker 45

We will actually have a save rate for our animals. It will be a minimum of 85% on average, for a save rate for all of our animals. They will also ensure that 100% of their staffing is all trained within ninety days all protocols and, operations of the facility. Also as part of this, another change is facility damage. If there are any staff or volunteers that, create any damage, the lifeline has to report that damage within forty eight hours, 95% of the time.

2:15:17 – 2:15:51Speaker 45

And then they will be if there are any costs associated with those damages, we would actually take that out of their next payment in the next month cycle. Another item that we have actually added to the contract is data accuracy for reporting purposes. With that, Lifeline will ensure us that when they enter the data into the system, that 90% of the time that data will be accurate. We can track the changes because now we have access directly to the system and see what changes are being made to make sure that we're getting timely reports, they're accurate, and we can report that out publicly. Next slide.

2:15:54 – 2:16:10Speaker 45

With this, again, as part of this, the transfer of field services will be to the Fulton County Police Department. And what I want to actually do is introduce Captain Dwyer and let her give an opportunity to give an update on this transfer.

2:16:13 – 2:16:29Speaker 46

Good morning, commissioners. Nikki Dwyer with Fulton County Police Department. We're very excited, to have this transition taking place. Today is day one. We have been working, animal cruelty cases, for about the past year throughout Fulton County.

2:16:29 – 2:17:07Speaker 46

We've worked over a 100 investigations, numerous search warrants. Through that, we have seen that a lot of these animal cruelty cases involve domestic violence, child abuse, gang activity, drug activity, so there's a need for for law enforcement. So this is gonna allow us to, make improvements. So we're gonna have 26 civilian animal control officers and four sworn officers, including myself. So there's going to be more officers on the street, quicker response time for priority calls.

2:17:08 – 2:18:02Speaker 46

Also, gonna focus on educating the public, educating them first and then if there's continual, violations, then we'll go the law, route to take action. Also, we did meet with all city managers and spoke about the transition and the goals that we have to improve services and also gave them contact information if there are any instances or anything they need help with, they can reach out immediately. And then also, have them share information with their constituents about realistic response times. A lot of citizens believe that when they call for a loose dog that an animal control officer should be there in ten minutes like a law enforcement officer. But just like law enforcement, we have priority one, two, three calls.

2:18:02 – 2:18:28Speaker 46

If there's an injured animal, if there's a dog attack, then there's forty five minutes to respond. So they also took that back to their constituents, so there's just a better line of communication and a better, you know, expectations are are made. And also we wanna encourage, responsible pet ownership. A lot of these attacks that we've had, a lot of issues come from irresponsible pet ownership. You know, the fence is faulty.

2:18:28 – 2:19:12Speaker 46

They know their dogs are aggressive. They let them run, whatever the case may be. So we are gonna work towards making that better and also training of the officers. Better training, work on report writing, cruelty investigations, situational training, also their communication with the public. Something as simple as if their, public calls in and there's a dog at large, the animal control officer shows up on scene and picks the animal up, then the complainant is calling back saying, animal control never reached back out to them. Something as simple as just calling the complainant and saying, we picked that dog up. Okay.

2:19:15 – 2:19:52Speaker 45

Okay. Next slide, please. As part of this process improvement, what we wanted to do, again, as Captain Dwyer and the County Manager noted is we had meetings with each of the cities in terms of South And North Fulton, providing them information, again, up that communication line with them to ensure they can trust us and they can communicate with us as to what is going on with field services. So what we actually did is we have created a Fulton County page that is available to each of the cities. The city managers have access to this.

2:19:52 – 2:20:24Speaker 45

Their staff has access to this. This actually gives them the details on what is occurring with field services. So each of the cities, as you can see from this, actually the top has a link that what they can go into specifically, see the details on field services calls, which actually would include, again, number of calls overall, the response times for those calls, for those priority areas that Captain Dwyer mentioned, the types of calls that are being called in. Is it a stray animal? Is it something that is somebody's lease barking?

2:20:24 – 2:21:06Speaker 45

Those types of items. Locations of the calls are actually mapped out for them so they can see where those calls are actually occurring at. And actually, additional information that they ask for, which will be available for them on a regular basis that they can routinely see, go in and get updated on. Okay? Next slide. Again, with some of those things, we get improved communications with our partners. I also want to kind of talk to you guys about animal population. Part of the reason why we're here today is this renewal. Our shelter population is key for us to keep that under control. We believe that Lifeline does do a good job in terms of the shelter operations specifically.

2:21:07 – 2:21:35Speaker 45

And just to give you guys some facts here. Total population is higher than what was predicted in our initial studies. I know we've said this several times in the past, but again, it does have a very big factor on how we look at things and what we've been able to manage and keep within compliance with. The original study said that we would have about four seventy six animals with the new shelter. Current trends actually show us being about five forty six animals.

2:21:36 – 2:22:20Speaker 45

So again, it's about a 14% increase in the shelter population that we're dealing with. But we also have another population that is out there that is not in that shelter, and that is about we have about 700 dogs that are in foster care. So in total, we have about 1,300 animals that are in our care, for the county. And that again, 1,300. That's a large number. And more than half of that is out with families in our communities. And I have to actually commend the families that are out there. I've done it in the past for fostering. Making that commitment, bringing that animal into your household is a big deal and getting them to keep those animals safe. Next slide, please.

2:22:22 – 2:23:07Speaker 45

So with animal intakes and adoptions, as the county manager mentioned, the numbers are astounding as to how many animals are coming in monthly. So there's been a 41% increase over the past twenty four months of the number of animals that we're intaking. Again, by the end of the year, we'll be about a little over 11,000 animals that are coming in. That's 1,000 almost 1,000 a month. So Lifeline has been working hard to get those animals either into foster care, get them through the adoption process, and that's kind of helped us to stay and stabilize some of our shelter populations as well as we can.

2:23:07 – 2:23:37Speaker 45

And how they've done that, again, foster is a big, huge part of that. On average, nationally, if a dog goes into a foster population or a foster home, about 75% of the time, that family ends up adopting. So again, having that network through Lifeline is key for us to getting those animals into safe homes. Adoption rates have also increased for us. We went from one hundred and sixty two in November 2023 to currently in November 2025.

2:23:38 – 2:24:10Speaker 45

That's 211% increase up to that five zero four. Again, I think that shows hard work and commitment as to what we've been doing to get those animals adopted. Next slide. Another item that we wanted to kind of give you guys an update on, we know that there's been talk about case resolutions for those dogs that are on holds in our animal shelter. We wanted to let you know that we are meeting on a regular basis.

2:24:10 – 2:25:06Speaker 45

We have been discussing options as to what we can do to move forward with some of these. We've met with state court, magistrate court, county attorney, the solicitor general, Fulton County Police Department to think about ideas. Through some of these discussions, what we've actually come up with is magistrate court is willing to actually listen and hear motions for the disposition of evidence, which basically means once the evidence is disposed of in terms, we can actually either go out and get that animal adopted or fostered and let them go out and be with the family if needed. Then the county attorney's office has agreed to work with us also at drafting up language for the motions that we need to deliver to the defendants along with looking at the county ordinance to see what changes that we can make that can help us speed up the process. And they're in that process currently.

2:25:07 – 2:25:41Speaker 45

We've also discussed options with the state court as to what they can do. And they are looking at, again, establishing an accountability court that people that are going through this process could be part of. They're looking at the use of judicial officers or establishing some specific animal related calendars. Then, with the solicitor general, what we've talked with them about in this process, they've requested three additional positions to help out with these type of environmental cases. And just to note, there are about five fourteen cases that are pending.

2:25:41 – 2:26:19Speaker 45

Not all are in the shelter, but there are about four fifty animal cases. And what we would do is, part of the budget process, we're looking at recommending two positions out of the three that he requested. But some of this stuff is going into place right now. Captain Dwyer has taken some of the motions that the county attorney has drafted up for us, walked that through with the solicitor general. The solicitor general signed off on that, and now that motion has been submitted to the court. So we are putting some of those into place to start to speed up some of those larger cases. Next slide. And we're here for any questions that you guys have.

2:26:19Speaker 1

All right. Commissioner Arrington?

2:26:23 – 2:26:55Speaker 15

Thank you. I guess I'm trying to understand how the response time is going to be better, like, going to another northern city. What is the plan? Are we gonna have people position in North Fulton or in Atlanta? I mean, because Fulton County Police is primarily in unincorporated South Fulton. So what is the plan for distribution of people throughout the county in order to bring response times down?

2:26:56 – 2:27:14Speaker 46

So there will be more officers as well as officers are located at the shelter but then everyone has their own zone that they go to and so there are officers that are assigned to the North South everywhere in between so that they can respond quickly to calls versus coming all the way from the South to go north.

2:27:16 – 2:27:44Speaker 15

Alright. And I know the technology exists because I use it on my phone when I use DoorDash and Uber. Will the cities be able to track the officers as they're moving? Will they be able to see live? Like, can when I order food on my phone, I can see them going to the location and I can see them coming to my house. Do we have that capability? Will we be making that available to our cities?

2:27:46Speaker 46

I don't believe so at this time.

2:27:49Speaker 15

Well that seems the best way to track.

2:27:51 – 2:28:35Speaker 19

So there is a, excuse me Commissioner. So we are gonna start, so we do have AVL now or that's gonna be a part of the police warrant is that they'll be taking over what they call the CAD side, the dispatch side, all that other stuff. So now every officer will have a device, let's just say like the police department does, where we can actually see them real time responding to these calls. The cities wouldn't have access to it, but we will actually. So I know the police department, Cabinet Dwyer has been managing them for over a month now. And we've seen improvements already in time with a short short of staff, but still we're seeing improvements in response time just because redeployments of the assets. They're they're it's a different style of management and just in the first thirty days, we've seen huge improvements already.

2:28:35 – 2:29:17Speaker 15

Well, I I would challenge us to work with technology because if I make a call about a dog bite, I'm more worried about seeing that and when it's coming and when the response is coming than I am about getting food. Right? The technology is out there. It's real simple. It shouldn't be that hard for us to have if someone makes a call, we ought to have an app and it ought to be the same. Right? Like, I mean, this is 2025. We should be able to track the person that makes the call should be able to track it. The city should be able to track it. We should be able to track it. We should see it real time. McDonald's does it.

2:29:17 – 2:29:40Speaker 19

Yeah. Sometimes, unfortunately, we have some bad players out there that were that set up set up that officer for something bad to happen. So, if you're seeing, now you know when that officer's gonna get there. So, there are some issues with knowing the officer's locations at all the time. But, yeah, we could definitely look at how we make it more efficient for sure through the dispatch process.

2:29:40 – 2:30:08Speaker 15

Yeah, I just think if someone makes a call because there's a dog and someone's been bitten, they should have the benefit of being able to see that someone is being dispatched and that they're on the way and that they should be able to get real time updates about their arrival of that officer or the help or whoever it is.

2:30:08Speaker 19

That's what an undecided citizen says. Same thing about EMS. I called the ambulance. I didn't know how long I was gonna get there. They wanted to see it in real time.

2:30:15Speaker 15

I I agree. It should I mean, that's a technology thing. Right? It's it's out there. Everybody's using it. Everybody's using it but us.

2:30:25Speaker 45

Yeah. So so let us look into that, commissioner Arrington, and get back to you on what possibly could be options if it is possible.

2:30:35Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne?

2:30:39 – 2:30:55Speaker 2

It says slide 29 on your contract scope of work and key performance indicators slide. The second one down says follow agreed upon shelter capacity limits. Could you expand on that a little bit more?

2:30:56 – 2:31:47Speaker 45

So through the shelter capacity what originally was projected to be four seventy nine dogs, we actually worked with Lifeline through animal services going out and discussing what is the possibility for what the maximum population is. The maximum population really truly is based off of the number of available kennels, size of dogs and multiple things that equate into that. So some of the items that we will have kind of a scale as to that will swing back and forth depending on, again, size of dogs, how many dogs could be in the same kennel together, and we can give you a little bit more detail on that. But we've worked through that process. Vern specifically walked through with Lifeline to determine exactly what those numbers could possibly look like.

2:31:48 – 2:31:59Speaker 2

Okay, so say if there's a hypothetical situation and there's a dangerous dog, you're you're still gonna pick up the dog and take it to the shelter even if you're over capacity.

2:31:59 – 2:32:19Speaker 45

Correct? Yes. There would still be that, and then they would look to see. There there actually is a plan. There will be so many kennels left for situations where there would be a a situation like that where we need a space. So there are actually logged to have some, like, the things like nine spaces kennels that would be available for those types of things.

2:32:19 – 2:32:40Speaker 2

Great. Great. Thank you. And then on the field services pages for cities, can we click on city, say Chattahoochee Hills, and we can see the number of calls or and all all the information that's below there. Could see for each individual city parsed out. Correct?

2:32:40 – 2:33:14Speaker 45

What we've done is made those internal pages for the city so they can view that information. Again, it's always in draft form to know as we're going through this. So those cities can see exactly how many calls have been received, how many calls may have been canceled due to that, where the location of those calls are, how that call came in. Was it by a landline, was it a mobile phone, was it 911, was it self reported, the types of locations of those calls, exactly where those locations were at with addresses and all of the information on the call.

2:33:14Speaker 2

Okay. But only the cities, the public can't

2:33:17 – 2:33:32Speaker 45

Yeah. It's only the cities. Only the cities at this point in time have access to that. Okay. There's information in there that may not be publicly available, and we'd have to review that if if we did wanna make it public to make sure that no information is released that cannot be.

2:33:32 – 2:33:54Speaker 2

Okay. Great. Great. And welcome Captain Dwyer to your first day on the on the job, how appropriate. Is there repeat offenders? Do we track repeat offenders and is there consequences that increase with a repeat offender?

2:33:55 – 2:34:21Speaker 46

Yes. So we track them all. Initially we start with education depending on how egregious the call is. If they're repeat offenders, we will actually court hold those dogs, wait for it to go in front of a judge and then the judge decides what occurs with those dogs, whether the owner can get them back or not. And then the owners also have the option to surrender and then they become Fulton County property.

2:34:21Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

2:34:24Speaker 1

Vice Chair Ellis.

2:34:26 – 2:34:58Speaker 6

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am glad to see the changes that we are making. We made significant improvements to animal control with the new shelter, but we had more work to do obviously and this is a big step and I appreciate everybody leaning into what's not necessarily a topic that is sexy and interesting for a lot of people but really an important one. And I'm definitely pleased to see us taking over and making a change related to enforcement.

2:34:59 – 2:35:13Speaker 6

I had a couple of follow-up things related to at the facility in this sort of going forward changes to make sure I understand it. We're going to have our own staff embedded there daily, correct?

2:35:13Speaker 45

That is correct. Our own staff, Mr. Sawyer and Mr. Trayvon Law, will be there

2:35:20Speaker 45

Police department, just every day.

2:35:22 – 2:35:38Speaker 6

Okay. So some of the things that probably all of us have gotten calls about, emails about related to whether it's facility, that sort of stuff, we feel like we're going to be able to address and see this a lot more real time before it bubbles up and becomes an issue.

2:35:39Speaker 45

That is correct.

2:35:39Speaker 6

That's the objective here, correct? Yes.

2:35:43Speaker 11

Okay, all right.

2:35:44 – 2:36:27Speaker 6

And then I know I'd had multiple conversations with folks, both citizens, some of you all, and with other folks about this sort of backlog, if you will, of the court cases. And I'd like to say it's good to see the action plan that you have here. I guess what my question is, do we have the funding established for two additional positions? And then also, when are we operationalizing this whole plan? I guess that's my question

2:36:28Speaker 6

What parts have we already operationalized?

2:36:30 – 2:36:58Speaker 45

So with the magistrate Court agreeing to actually hear the cases, she's already agreed to that. So that is something that we can do now. Working with the state court and the solicitor, again, as I mentioned, we've already started with terms of the implementation of the notices and getting some things on the court calendars. Captain Dwyer has already taken a lead and working through that with the solicitor general, getting them to sign off on some of the cases so they can be heard. That is already underway.

2:36:59 – 2:37:31Speaker 45

The additional positions would be something that we would come back to you guys looking at what's available in the 2026 budget and see if there's any modifications that we can do there to make that adjustment. We still will have some things we have to work out with the Solicitor General, those items. The county attorney is actively working on the ordinances as we've been going through some of these meetings, looking at our different ideas, things that we want to look at as ordinance changes. So again, that is actively being worked on today.

2:37:31 – 2:37:59Speaker 6

Okay. So with the exception of the piece with the solicitor, the other funding portions either already handled the existing stuff or they're handled via the IGA. Correct? Correct. So the southern would just be the tranche that would be related to the general fund, would be these two additional positions. And then you'll bring back and report on this plan as quarterly?

2:37:59Speaker 45

We are planning on coming back quarterly to this Board in the future at the Board's request to give updates on animal services.

2:38:08Speaker 6

Okay. So this court case resolution in some detail around that will be part of that report?

2:38:14Speaker 1

Yes. All right. Thank you. Commissioner Arrington?

2:38:20 – 2:39:26Speaker 15

I wanted to go back to the facility. And I guess my overall question is and maybe the answer is going to court and doing some of those things, but it looks like we, whoever we paid to predict the number for the facility got it wrong. And, I mean, like, how are we what plan do we have in place, I guess, to reduce the population, and or are there plans because we've got plenty of land over there. Are there plans to, you know, do a temporary facility to house more animals or the plans are, As the slide puts it, and I don't know if that's, I hate to even say it, dispose of evidence. What we're talking about is killing animals.

2:39:29 – 2:40:10Speaker 45

So to first address the first comment, so the consultants that actually did the original study were based on information that was at that point in time available to us. But the national trends have shown us that across the country, the animal populations, the number of dogs that are being put into shelters has increased dramatically. Those have made adjustments to how we have to look at some of these numbers. And that's how we've been trying to work with Lifeline, thinking different options, different adoption events, different communications. That's why we're going to be trying to promote spay and neutering, pet ownership, education, those types of things as to what we can look like to help reduce that population.

2:40:10 – 2:40:26Speaker 45

At this point in time, there has been no specific discussion on the expansion of the facilities. We'd like to see what we can do right now over the next year with the management, see what we can do to maintain that population and see performance at that point in time.

2:40:27 – 2:40:50Speaker 15

I guess I'm just worried because you're seeing the numbers really more like 1,100 or 1,300, and then half of them are being put in foster homes. So, you know, it just I don't know why we have 1,100 or 1,300 of these animals, and we will build a facility for 400 animals.

2:40:51 – 2:41:25Speaker 45

So, again, foster care nationally is a huge it has a huge impact on animals. The ability of that animal to be in a home, to socialize, be with the family, therefore, that actually makes them either more adoptable or, again, the trend is that 75% of those animals that take in that foster actually adopt that animal in the end. So again, that's a positive outcome that we're looking for. So if we have 700 animals in foster care and 75% of those will actually be adopted by those families, that's a win for us overall as a county for services.

2:41:25 – 2:42:06Speaker 42

And maybe we could ask Joe, if you could comment on some of the shelters you went and looked at in the early stages of this and how significant the population was there. And then remember, commissioner Harrington, it's grown 40% in two years. So it's the inability to forecast that much of a non sequitur nationwide. And the question is, does that level off or in the interim can we pull every other lever from adoptions to the like to try to suppress that. But Joe went and looked at it and I've forgotten the location, Joe, I'll turn that over to you. Interesting insights. So when I first took over animal service, it's been

2:42:06 – 2:42:39Speaker 19

about two years, we went to look at counties we compare ourselves in regions. Orange County, Florida, Charlotte Mecklenburg, those are two visits. And then we spoke to three other areas Pima County, Arizona, Kansas City, and some others. Orange County, for example, was in the same situation we were with our previous shelter. They started a move towards a new shelter and they went from 26,000 square feet and their current shelter that's being built right now is 100,000 square feet.

2:42:39 – 2:42:59Speaker 19

So they it'll be pretty much double our size. And we're and when our conversation with them was the same. They're starting to see a 40% to 50% uptick and they've just continued to run out of room. So they decided, well, we're going to build for what's expected over the next ten years to come into the shelter and that's what they're building right now.

2:43:02 – 2:43:47Speaker 15

Alright, I just, and I guess our jail is the same way, overpopulated. It just, you know, I'm I'm thankful that we're making these adjustments, and hopefully, they will allow us to manage the animal population better. But, you know, it just seems like we're climbing uphill. We got 1,100, 1,300 animals, and we got room for four seventy six. And that just seems crazy to me after we just built a new facility. It just, I guess it is what it is. Thank you.

2:43:47 – 2:44:11Speaker 19

One of the things I wanted to clarify, Commissioner, was when we were talking about the animals that are held, right, the what we're calling the court holds, those animals aren't the aggressive animals. Some of those are we've taken them from somebody because they were neglected by that person. So they're kind of the victim. So it's like we're holding the victim. So we've been holding some of those animals for a long period of time.

2:44:11 – 2:44:37Speaker 19

I don't know how many we have today, but let's just say we had almost 80 at one point, a 114 at max. Imagine if we could just move those animals along. That's why this quartzite is so important. That's a 114 wide open kennels that we can use today. So I think that it doesn't solve the big issue like you're saying, but at least it'll get us in the right place if we can figure out how to speed up.

2:44:37 – 2:45:05Speaker 19

Because these are are dogs that the longer they're held, the less likely they are to be adopted. So you don't the dog, once they're there a year, I mean, it's very unlikely that they're gonna come out and be adopted. So we need to figure out this court case side and move that along much quicker because that's a 114 spaces. And just to give you an idea, not every space gets one dog. So let's just say you had mama dog and she has a litter.

2:45:05 – 2:45:25Speaker 19

They try to keep those dog you know, they'll keep that family together. And so some of these dogs are housed together because they're they're related and so forth like a like a pack. So, again, if we can move this court the court situation along much quicker, we can start cycling these dogs much quicker and out to out to families that can adopt them.

2:45:27Speaker 15

Alright. Yeah. Because

2:45:28Speaker 19

Oh, disposition. I'm sorry. Because we oh, I'll go. Yeah.

2:45:32 – 2:45:56Speaker 46

You had mentioned the disposition. That's kind of a rough word. Kinda sounds like we're disposing of them. But the law calls for we can foster, adopt, or euthanize, but we're most of these, they're not euthanasia. We want these dogs to be fostered or adopted. The only euthanasia cases would be if they were a dog from an attack or something serious like that.

2:45:56 – 2:46:09Speaker 15

Thank you for that because and I know Joe didn't mean it, but he was like, yeah, we need to move him along. And I'm like, oh god, there he goes again. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

2:46:11Speaker 1

Alright. Commissioner Barrett.

2:46:13 – 2:46:42Speaker 4

Thank you, mister chairman. And thank you for the report mister Rookie and and supporting supporting crew back there. I just had a couple quick questions. I wasn't really going to ask this, but you brought it up, Mr. Bereswin, about the court dogs not sort of being adoptable after a period of time. And I'm aware of that situation. I just wondered if you could expand on that a little bit for the public because it's not just that they've been there a long time and then nobody wants them. It's that they are damaged by being there psychologically, correct?

2:46:42 – 2:47:06Speaker 19

Yeah. So it's imagine I hate to compare it to human, but that I mean, they're little people with fur kind of thing. So eventually, you're sitting staring at those four walls all day long. Your ability to be rehabilitated, let's just say, is only as good as if I have interaction with somebody. So someone walking them, someone caring for them, someone basically petting them.

2:47:06 – 2:47:30Speaker 19

And once they're in that court hold area, it becomes difficult for them to kind of regain that. And, you know, it's just it's sad. I mean, if you if you've been there, it's you see that they're less likely to be adopted because they've been there longer. The dogs that are in and out come in and they're adoptable, they usually get adopted pretty quick. But then you have some dogs that have just been there a long time.

2:47:30 – 2:48:07Speaker 19

And if they're waiting on this obstacle, the court system to get through, I hate to say it because the court looks at them as property. That's that's what they're that's what this is all about is the right of the person to own this piece of property and let's not just take it from them. There's a process to me taking that dog and going, this dog, you're not suitable. It's like you're not a suitable parent. There would be a process for that. You're not a suitable person to have to have this animal with you. So that process of taking that dog, that's where the delay is. And the longer that delay is because the court systems are backed up, the longer it is for the harder it is for that dog to be adopted.

2:48:07 – 2:48:47Speaker 4

Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate you expanding on that. My only other question really is for mister Wicki. On the it doesn't really matter what page it's on, when you talked about the court case resolutions, you mentioned potentially trying to move some money around budget wise for 2026 for the Solicitor General positions to try to address the court case animals. You also mentioned that the magistrate court is willing to start hearing those motions of disposition of evidence now. Is that something that that court will need additional funding for as well or I mean, she's agreeing to take on a a whole host of new cases. So what's the funding requirement there?

2:48:47 – 2:49:25Speaker 45

There is no funding requirement. All that she asked for is to make sure that the legal notices that the county attorney will work with us on that will be served to those households actually has the notice that this is your hearing and that if you do not show up, then your dog or animal will be surrendered at that point in time. And then also, again, no funding was requested from her. So when she's willing to actually add extra on Fridays, she was willing to look at if there's any possibility she has some time on Fridays, adding extra schedules to that if possible to help move things along.

2:49:25 – 2:49:39Speaker 4

Okay. Well, just shout out to everybody who's trying, you know, getting, you know, working on this together as a group. I think it's really helpful and then hopefully it doesn't turn into additional funding because as we all know we're sort of strapped. But, thank you. That's all I had.

2:49:39Speaker 1

Commissioner, I'm to Rockman.

2:49:41 – 2:50:25Speaker 5

Thank you, chairman. I just want to take the time to thank you all. I know I've worked extensively. Mister Barrissam, I remember your predecessor and county manager you remember, I actually adopted my dog and you're correct, my dog had been returned three times back to the shelter and I've had him three years now. And so, you are correct, the longer they stay. But I just if you don't mind, County Manager, I just want to give kudos. I know the three men right here are really doing a fantastic job, but I just want to do a shout out to Captain Dreyer. I am of the just utmost respect

2:50:25 – 2:51:31Speaker 5

you and I know your leadership with this is going to make a difference and I just want to publicly let everybody know that with you at the helm, I know that we're going to begin to see some differences. So, I just wanted not to take anything away from my three gentlemen here that we all know have done a great job especially dealing with the shelter, dealing with trying to educate the public because we can't do it by ourselves, we have to I've said it over and over again in the last five years that I've been here, we have to educate the public on spaying and neutering people nationally. This is documentation that when the economy drops, the first to fill it are the shelters because people take their dogs to the shelter. They can't feed the dog, we're going to see a tick an uptick in the dogs going to the shelter. I just would like to just go on record saying this, as a community, my office, I think we've adopted three dogs ourselves from the shelter.

2:51:31 – 2:52:14Speaker 5

And so, I would just like those that hear the challenges that we have with the overpopulation, that they can do their part. Foster, but more importantly adopt. Because we know we have the court issues and you're correct, the quicker we can move that along with county manager, you're never ever going to be able to build a big enough shelter. You're just not. What you're going to have to do is educate people on making sure that they do what they need to do with the animal control and the spaying and neutering and also with the adoption. So, thank you again three gentlemen, but girl power to Captain Dwight over there, I know she's going to do a great job.

2:52:16Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne?

2:52:18 – 2:53:07Speaker 2

I just wanna be quick. Honestly, had no idea that we had 700 foster dogs out there out of 1,300 and I really think that we need to thank those that foster day in and day out and if we could be a part of that, I would love to show our appreciation for them. I know I have friends and neighbors that foster and they are so active on social media advertising when we have adoption days, free spay and neuter days. Those volunteers are such an instrumental part in getting the word out and advertising for us and they have a passion and it's a 100% volunteer. So, if we could do something for them, I would love to be a part of that.

2:53:07 – 2:53:48Speaker 2

I I like that you're gonna come up in the different districts and host adoption days and get us all involved on that as well. I think that's a fabulous idea to get us to interact more in the community with the people. I know I go and speak at schools, I speak to young high school students as well and they had no idea about our animal shelter up in the North because it is so far away. I don't know how much their parents appreciate me advertising that they can adopt a dog and come down to our wonderful shelter but I do think we need to get the word out and that's an excellent way of doing that. Thank you.

2:53:49 – 2:54:00Speaker 1

Alright, anything else? So just a couple questions. Number one, are there options to Lifeline?

2:54:02Speaker 45

Are there options to Lifeline? Other firms. I'll actually let the purchasing director handle that,

2:54:10Speaker 1

she handled what we did the last solicitation. Realistic options to Lifeline.

2:54:16 – 2:54:57Speaker 18

Good afternoon commissioners. As you know, we've bidded this out for the last twenty years that I've been here. We've only had one provider that has submitted our proposal to us. When I first started in 2004, we had about three, they've all gone out of business and for the last sixteen years we've only had one providers to submit a proposal to us. And as you know they also provide animal services, shelter services for DeKalb County. So there is not a lot of people with the capacity to be able to provide the service to the County.

2:54:57Speaker 1

Commissioner Ivory?

2:54:59 – 2:55:58Speaker 3

Thank you so much for that perspective on that because as you know constituents are very concerned about the fact that we only have this one option. And so I wonder if we can take a more proactive approach and actually perhaps go out and to other jurisdictions, to other states? I mean I understand, I did look at who those other you know vendors were in the years past, contractors in the years past and I know that they are no longer in business. But can we perhaps put our minds together in the next year and actively pursue how other states are doing it and see if any of these companies would be interested? And I know it's a lot for a company to expand into a new territory, but considering sort of all of the data that we have including the feeling of our constituents, it seems at least that we should pursue trying to take a proactive approach.

2:55:58 – 2:56:25Speaker 18

To Commissioner, we have taken that approach. We've done that on numerous occasions. We have tried that approach. We have talked to other jurisdictions. We have talked to other jurisdictions within the state of Georgia, Florida, neighboring, we've tried everything to get that. And remember when we advertise, we don't just advertise the Fulton County, the state of Georgia, we are advertising nationally

2:56:26 – 2:57:03Speaker 3

Okay. And so, thank you for that information. I just think perhaps maybe we can just look at that again and maybe there's something in our actions to seek out. You know sometimes when you have something in a package that seems a little prohibitive for somebody, maybe we can look at some of those factors and maybe there's one or two things that can be tweaked that would sort of open up another group of potential contractors. I don't know, you know obviously that needs to be within the constraints of everything we do, but just trying to really think about a well thought out way that we could just expand our options.

2:57:03Speaker 3

And not not because I'm suggesting we cancel anything, but I just think that our constituents would like to have some other options. Thank you.

2:57:13Speaker 1

Actually the last one we had if memory serves me correctly and it does was Barking Hound I believe.

2:57:19Speaker 18

It was the barking hound.

2:57:21 – 2:58:00Speaker 1

Before lifeline? Yes. Okay. Second thing, you brought up the magistrate court. My working group on these animals, we concluded unanimously that one simple thing would go a long ways towards solving this problem, and that is getting Judge Kirk to adjust her calendar on an annual basis, which she's agreed to do at no cost. I want to emphasize this now. No cost. And that's gonna go a long ways to solving this problem. Lastly, what can you say, if anything, about those three, high profile cases, Union City, City South Fulton, and Tuxedo?

2:58:04 – 2:58:35Speaker 46

They're all in the court process. Unfortunately the case in Union City where Donna Wynn was mauled to death, I don't think we'll ever know what dogs actually did that since there was no video footage and no witnesses. There was the case in South Fulton. We did take all three of those dogs and they were euthanized, where she was her face parts of her body were ripped off and she'll never be the same.

2:58:35Speaker 1

Is she still in Grady or is she?

2:58:38Speaker 46

She's finally out of the hospital after Where a couple

2:58:41Speaker 1

was she from? Liberia or

2:58:42Speaker 46

somewhere? She was from Niger visiting with her family she was walking with her four small grandchildren when the dogs attacked and she kept the dogs from the grandchildren.

2:58:52Speaker 1

And both of those are those, what are you called? Cane something?

2:58:55Speaker 46

Yeah. King Corsos. Yes, sir.

2:58:56Speaker 1

The third one was a tuxedo.

2:58:59 – 2:59:12Speaker 46

Yes. That's the Tyrese Gibson case. I did speak to the solicitor and we are coming to a closure on that case. Those dogs there were five King Corsos they've been removed from the county.

2:59:14Speaker 1

Okay. Alright. Thank you. Anything else? Thank you.

2:59:18Speaker 42

Alright. Last update. Joe, if you'll just provide an update on fire services at Fulton County Executive Airport.

2:59:41 – 2:59:54Speaker 19

So airport firefighting, we've started the process. We've been moving along. We've started purchasing equipment. We've met with the airport tenants, something highly desirable. They ask us every time we meet with them.

2:59:55 – 3:00:28Speaker 19

We've started staging equipment in anticipation for the opening of the fire station next summer, later on next summer. We've already applied for the licensing requirement for the certificate of application with the state. We've revised a interlocal agreement with the city of South Fulton, which goes into effect this in the next month, January 1. Next slide, please. The apparatus and equipment, we've already contracted with some of the vendors.

3:00:28 – 3:00:55Speaker 19

We've started looking at leasing the equipment as opposed to purchasing just because the time limit. There's almost a two to three year wait in some of the apparatuses for fire equipment. And that's everywhere in the country, not just something we're dealing with, which is becoming a huge issue all over the country. We've revised all the staffing requirements. We've been working with human resources to start onboarding processes for the chief's position, the battalion chief's position, logistics and training captain.

3:00:56 – 3:01:21Speaker 19

Timing is about what we're trying to do is we're not trying to hire people so they're sitting around. So we're trying to time it to when the station opens. Before that, we need to send everybody to some training. It's an eighty hour eighty hours worth of training that we're gonna we're gonna have everybody go through. So to complete the live date so basically, once the station comes on board and online, we'll have the folks that are already set, trained, and ready to go on the equipment that we own.

3:01:23 – 3:02:04Speaker 19

And everything seems to be on time. We had a little bit of a setback with the build out of the fire station with some water issue that we had there. But it seems like we're back on target even though that took us about thirty days to process. Next slide, please. The renovation, which is what caused the one delay that we have, still has us doing the completion window in late May to early June, and with a final opening date of sometime in mid August to early September. As of right now, we don't see any obstacles to complete that by that date and time. Any questions?

3:02:05Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne?

3:02:08 – 3:02:19Speaker 2

Can you specify funding for these positions? Is it coming from the general fund or is it coming from the revenue generated by the airport?

3:02:19Speaker 19

So the revenue generated by the airport fund.

3:02:21Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you. That's all Should I

3:02:23Speaker 1

have said that. Any other questions? Yes. Commissioner Harrington.

3:02:31Speaker 15

When did we determine that we needed this or that we wanted this?

3:02:36 – 3:03:01Speaker 19

I've been working on this now for, so in 2016, going into 2017, we determined that station was inoperable. It had some mold issues. So we moved the folks that were staffed there and the equipment staffed there over to Fire Station 11. So the county still owned it for the response to the airport. When the city of South Fulton became the city of South Fulton, we lost airport response.

3:03:01 – 3:03:28Speaker 19

We lost the airport firefighting capability actually on the runway side. All of the tenants at the airport, you know, some of their agreements were, hey, we'll move there if we have this. And so some of their agreements were tied into this capability for them to land there. So as far as I know, we've been determining, this was determined. It's always been a need and we used to have something there and then we lost it.

3:03:30 – 3:03:51Speaker 15

Alright. It's just confusing because we had a lot of fire equipment. Alright? And my understanding was that we sold fire stations and fire equipment to the city of South Fulton. But if we knew we had a need for it, then I don't understand why we would have sold it.

3:03:51Speaker 19

Yeah. The equipment that was there was completely outdated and unusable. So giving it away was a good I mean, it cost us more to tow it than to sell it.

3:04:00 – 3:04:17Speaker 42

Yeah. I think we're talking about two different types of equipment. He's talking about foam based, you know, that you would use at an airfield. What we're selling, in fact, it's on the executive session today to be completed. The city of South Fulton was more the traditional that's there like Station 11 that's just down from the airport.

3:04:18 – 3:04:49Speaker 42

And it we still have, and it's on the agenda today, an IGA with City of South Fulton to provide service both for businesses that are still in that area that are in incorporated, and then and Joe, you correct me. If in fact we had a need at the airport that would go beyond this capability, they would be on call for that. So it's real it is complimentary and it's part of the overall master plan for the airport, the everything in expansion, this was a critical component of that.

3:04:53 – 3:05:10Speaker 1

Is there any possibility of having this completed before June? Because we're gonna be inundated, I know this to be the case with these private jets coming from these eight countries that are coming here, and we've never seen anything like it. So is it possible?

3:05:12 – 3:05:44Speaker 19

So during super just to give you a little history. So during Super Bowl, we set up a temporary firefighting we set up temporary firefighting capability at the airport. We rented equipment. We paid basically we contracted off duty fire our certified firefighters to work, and we brought in housing trailers for them to live in during a seven day period of the Super Bowl because we saw incredible traffic at the airport. We do have a plan that we're building right now that includes that same temporary.

3:05:44 – 3:06:16Speaker 19

So depending on when we can onboard our folks, we may not have the station may not be built out, but we do have a plan and we submitted for grant funding through the FEMA grant for FIFA World Cup that will allow us to put temporary housing at the airport and rent the equipment if we don't already have it by that time. Yes, we are moving towards a plan to accomplish that. Because you're right, we've never seen the traffic that we are going to see during that time, when you saw what the teams that were announced yesterday. We will see heavy, heavy, heavy jet traffic in there.

3:06:16Speaker 1

So there is a plan? There is a plan

3:06:18Speaker 19

sir, yes. Okay.

3:06:21Speaker 15

Eight to 10 Super Bowls coming over thirty days, not one.

3:06:25 – 3:06:52Speaker 19

Yeah. So we have a plan. We've been working actually the entire county, we've been working with all the public safety in the county, county police, sheriff's office, and everybody else to come up with a public safety response TAM for FIFA World Cup. We've met, I can't tell you, we've had constant meetings and we're trying to solidify some of the plans. We've submitted for some grant funding, for local grant funding to accomplish some of that moving into next year.

3:06:53Speaker 1

And the customs facility?

3:06:57Speaker 19

That, I don't really have the answer for that. I know it's in the process but I'm not the

3:07:03Speaker 42

That's further out.

3:07:04 – 3:07:21Speaker 42

know if I have it off the top of my head. Do you Joe? Mr. Chairman, we have to get back to you on that. It's definitely not it's not available by the time that FIFA gets here based on a number of things, both that are controlled by customs and then the construction requirements.

3:07:21Speaker 1

So is the plan to have a what an agreement with customs for a temporary facility there Which of some

3:07:29Speaker 42

is what we do today.

3:07:30Speaker 1

That's what I mean. Is that the plan?

3:07:31 – 3:07:42Speaker 19

Yes. That's part of the airport operations plan for World Cup. Just like we're basically gonna take the Super Bowl plan and expand it. We had that during the Super Bowl plan where they set up a temporary solution for us at the airport.

3:07:42Speaker 1

Okay. So there is a plan for a customs facility at our airport during World Cup?

3:07:49Speaker 19

I don't know about a facility, but I know during the airport they set up temporary measures, so they brought people onto our airport.

3:07:55Speaker 1

That's what I mean. Not necessarily a facility, but they will be able to clear customs at our airport versus the way it used to be.

3:08:02Speaker 19

I believe so, sir. Yes.

3:08:04Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you.

3:08:10Speaker 42

That will conclude our report unless there are any questions about standard finance, EPO and anything else that's at the back of this.

3:08:19Speaker 1

Anything finance? Alright. Madam Clerk.

3:08:25Speaker 16

Continuing on page seven, twenty five-nine 64 finance. Discussion fiscal year 2026 proposed operating budget.

3:08:38 – 3:09:10Speaker 47

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is no action requested from the board today. This was just an opportunity for discussion. As a reminder, we will as we close out this fiscal year, we will plan to have revised information for you for the first meeting in January. We will update our '25 results and make any adjustments to the '26 proposed budget at that point in time.

3:09:12Speaker 1

Okay. Questions, anything, nothing? Mr. Barrett?

3:09:15 – 3:09:33Speaker 4

Thank you Mr. Chairman. Just wanted to clarify a few things. The raises for the Board of Equalization that have been discussed multiple times and have not been included in the 2026 budget. Is that correct?

3:09:34Speaker 47

They are not currently. Okay. Well, I would like

3:09:37 – 3:10:20Speaker 4

to see that be in the budget for 2026. I think we've talked about 200, I believe it's a day for their per diem or a 100 per day. They're currently at a 100 I think, is that correct? Or they're at 150? They're at 100, okay. So we talked about 200, thank you Commissioner Thorn. We talked about a 150 and we talked about 200 and I believe that they were of course, they'd like the 200, but I believe they were comfortable at $1.50 as was Madam Clerk. So if we could at least consider raises of up to one fifty for the BOE, I think that would be important. Do you happen to have the number, the total dollar amount per year that that would cost?

3:10:20Speaker 47

My recollection is that it was somewhere in the $370,000 range.

3:10:25 – 3:10:37Speaker 4

Yeah, it feels like that's an important thing to include. The other thing is, and I don't have a list of numbers at this point and I don't really need to I guess to make this point, which is just that you know we've talked

3:10:37 – 3:11:43Speaker 4

lot about cutting back and trying to tighten our belt and all those things in order to address the issues around the the consent decree. And, I just feel like we would be, you know, not really doing the the full work if we did not also look seriously at the enhancement requests from all the justice agencies and DREAM and anybody else whose efforts and work will help that situation. So on the jail front, know, I know we've had several of the justice agencies requesting additional staff for a number of years that have been, know have not made it into the budget. And I think anything that we can do that will help improve throughput in the court system, thereby bringing down average length of stay, thereby bringing down the population number, think has to be seriously considered. I'm not saying that you all haven't already considered that, but I think you know there's a reason these justice agencies keep coming back and asking for these things.

3:11:43 – 3:12:19Speaker 4

So I think that's everything from processing things through the clerk of court to I think we really just need to look at the full scope and try to I don't know if we can do this numerically or not, but try to look at what that impact might be on the jail. So I just think that's worth considering and maybe trying to put some numbers around before we make a final decision on the budget. So that's all I had for right now. But I I just wanted to start that conversation now as opposed to waiting until we have the numbers Sharon from the final numbers from the year.

3:12:20Speaker 1

Commissioner Ivory.

3:12:22 – 3:12:59Speaker 3

Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for bringing up the idea of thinking about other numbers. For example, I think it's important to think about what the marshal spoke of relating to her IT concerns of not having anybody in IT, which I hope that we can discuss looking in the IT budget and seeing if we can find that small amount, I think which is about a 100,000 or a 104,000 for her to have a dedicated IT person. I understand that she has to call the help desk right now when they have an issue which is one of the only departments that does not have a dedicated IT person.

3:12:59 – 3:14:01Speaker 3

So, hope that we will look at that for her. And then, know, I as I said earlier, I opened up the larger budget conversation and a lengthy meeting with you all which I really appreciated. And, I especially want to point out that Sabrina took the time to go through some very important, the whole team took time to go through some scenarios which I had requested in the last meeting that what would it look like if we weren't focused on the flat rate, but just focused on putting in things that we need for proper services in our community. And we took a lot of time to go through many of those things and we sort of narrowed them down to six things with the county manager's assistance in sort of deciding what is most important. And what we looked at for key budget considerations was no 1% cut to the departments since we had already been asking them to do much with little for so long over a decade.

3:14:01 – 3:14:39Speaker 3

Actually using the $60,000,000 number for the consent decree. The FIFA World Cup advertising and marketing that is time sensitive as this is only going to happen one time in our maybe lifetime here in Atlanta and that we want Fulton County to capitalize on that. That was at a million. The Orca replacement funding that was recommended, veterans funding, ERP and some other very necessary enhancements that departments have been asking for. And so, we did those scenarios, we did one scenario with all of those things and one scenario taking out the ORCA money not renewing that.

3:14:39 – 3:14:57Speaker 3

And we came up with two different rates that would happen. And so Sabrina, can you just tell us about those two different rates so that that conversation and those hours spent will not be just kept to our confidentiality but so everybody can know about it? Thank you Commissioner.

3:14:57 – 3:15:42Speaker 48

Sabrina McTier, Finance Department. Per Commissioner Ivory's request, one item that wasn't mentioned was the restoration as the throughput for the justice system, which was at your request a twenty five million dollars investment. Because of that and the items that you mentioned, the updated millage rate which may change but sufficient to cover what would be necessary would be 10.28. In those same scenarios that you mentioned, excluding the additional $25,000,000 investment, the updated potential millage rate would have been 9.92.

3:15:44 – 3:16:06Speaker 3

And can you just really quick just give a little bit of a scope of our discussions and how we came to just those five? Because there were many, many things that were asked for. But that how we kind of decided to go narrow it down to those five things in those discussions. The cut, the consent decree, the one all of those.

3:16:06 – 3:17:08Speaker 48

As previously mentioned, we did recognize and have communicated to the board that the need is plenty. Because of that, we included that in the budget message and with the color coded tranches of everything that individuals have asked for. But of course, we take our guidance from the board And to Commissioner inquiry, the top items that would have a more profound effect, One from the attrition, which we chose not to take but did the 1% reduction. So that was a $10,000,000 restoration to the budget. And then various focus areas, including not just the justice and safety, but also the health and human services, the infrastructure and economic development, the arts and libraries, and also the open and responsible government.

3:17:08 – 3:17:20Speaker 48

So we know that there are things that we must do. And restoring to the 60,000,000 for the consent decree was one of them along with all of the others.

3:17:21 – 3:17:39Speaker 3

Thank you so much. And then just for there was also the ERP item. And just can you just tell what ERP is and how it supports HR employees and all of that so that in case anybody is wondering why I would have wanted to include that, that was a recommendation from the county executive leadership what ERP is.

3:17:39 – 3:18:03Speaker 48

Sure. That's our enterprise resource planning system. Kevin, if you wanted to jump in, you can. However, it is a multi dimensional from our financial, our HR, our vendor self-service, our employee self-service. So, it manages all areas of not just our ledger but how we do business. Kevin, did you want to jump in?

3:18:03Speaker 49

I think you said that quite well. I mean, it really is the backbone of our operations, right, for administrative functions. So it's a key mission critical application for us.

3:18:12Speaker 3

Thank you. And in the current proposed budget, that was not in there. Is that correct? Sabrina?

3:18:19 – 3:18:57Speaker 48

It was not. However, the board has been briefed that there have been some delays in the upgrade that we've been going through. So because of that, there may be additional funding. One thing that I do want to say, and I've said before, the need has been great. But as these budget pressures are identified to us and we're made aware, then they come onto the list. So, the delay with the implementation and any possible additional costs that are associated with that, that's one more thing that we've added to the list.

3:18:57 – 3:19:29Speaker 3

I want to just thank you all for taking the time. I know my team asked for a lot of you and you sat there and took the time and explained. And, we really went through a process to come up with some alternate scenarios for our proposed budget instead of just giving one budget that we would be trying to work with. Giving those alternate budget ideas is really helpful because leadership is really about facing reality even when it's uncomfortable. And so, cannot make decisions based on the fear or the avoidance of what is our reality.

3:19:29 – 3:19:47Speaker 3

And, raising taxes is never popular, we know that, but it is essential. These increases ensure we can fund the services our community depends on and keep Fulton County safe. Every person in our jail deserves to live in a humane, safe condition. Adequate funding here is not optional. It's a moral imperative.

3:19:47 – 3:20:25Speaker 3

And so that is why I asked for that consent decree cost to go up from the $30,000,000 that was put in the proposed budget to the actual $60,000,000 that we know we must spend, and more. There might be more. We have the opportunity to regain control and autonomy for our county, and I hope that we'll move forward in doing that. Clearing court backlogs, supporting essential departments, seizing opportunities, rare opportunities like World Cup, honoring our veterans, addressing debt and staffing needs, and having a long term vision for this county. So, thank you county manager and the whole team for going through that exercise that I asked for in the last meeting and coming up with a great result. Thank you.

3:20:26Speaker 1

Commissioner Arrington?

3:20:29 – 3:21:46Speaker 15

Yeah, I would just ask that as we look at the budget that we think about, I guess the point that I made earlier in that our jail population is back up to 3,000. We got down to 2,500, and I think part of the reason is because we do need to allocate more additional resources to the courts. And I understand that we're, you know, asking for we got two state court judge positions coming open, but I understand the budget only has maybe one solicitor per courtroom when all the other courtrooms have two solicitors. So, you know, we need we we we we need consistency, and we need to understand the existing reality. If if if every state courtroom over there has two solicitors assigned to it and we have two new judges coming on, why would we only be budgeting for one solicitor per courtroom when all other court all 10 or 15 other state court courtrooms have two solicitors each?

3:21:47 – 3:22:23Speaker 15

Right? And so we just have to be practical. We have to be practical, but we need to get we need to get the hopefully, we need to get the jail numbers down, and I believe that the additional resources for DAs and public defenders are are needed in order to help get those numbers back down. Right? So I'll I'll I'll just leave it there because I'm not part of the Gang of Four, so they're going get whatever they

3:22:23Speaker 1

want. Commissioner Barrett.

3:22:27 – 3:23:04Speaker 4

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I forgot a couple of things when I spoke the first time. I just wanted to reiterate that the non agency category of our budget and thank you Sabrina for sending over the information I asked for last night. I know you were here, had quite a long day yesterday, so I appreciate it and I know I was asking a lot of questions, but I think we have over 25 of our budget is in non agency.

3:23:09 – 3:23:58Speaker 4

While the pension number and the leases and debt are I think everyone can get a grasp on what that is and what it means, 80,000,000 of that is sitting in a category called other. And, for the sake of transparency to the public, I think we owe them more than that. And so, think we really need to if we're going to leave 80,000,000 sitting in a category called other, we really should be providing a deeper level of transparency there. I think there's a lot of I haven't had time to look at the spreadsheet that Sabrina sent over with the details of what's in the various non agency categories. But, there are a lot of small individual contingency funds and they may all have valid reasons for being in the budget.

3:23:58 – 3:24:50Speaker 4

But I think this should not be a place where things are tucked away and the public can't see them. I think we really are doing the public a disservice and ourselves as commissioners trying to make a decision on where what things should be cut and not cut when we don't know what 80,000,000 is really allotted for. And so, think that's really something we need to really rethink and either provide a deeper level of information in the budget books going forward You know, and or provide it in some form in these meetings where the public can go and download it and see it and understand it should they want to do that. I also had a question. I know earlier this month you sent out some correction pages to the budget book that we were asked to replace pages 17 to 23 and then the tranches also I think where there was some kind of a data error.

3:24:51 – 3:25:38Speaker 4

I'm just wondering from again from a public standpoint, that updated on the book that's online? Yes, it I just I'm wondering about the again from a logic transfer, I'm sorry from a transparency standpoint, I'm wondering about the logic of doing it that way as opposed to just putting out like a version two because if someone downloaded the budget book before those pages were changed, they would have no way of knowing that. So they might be looking at something with outdated numbers that don't correlate to what we're talking about here in the room. And so I'm just curious why we did it that way versus a version two or an updated version and pages aren't documented either, they don't say the date or version two or anything like that on them. So could you you maybe speak to that?

3:25:40 – 3:26:21Speaker 48

It's a fair assessment Commissioner Barrett. What the pages were that were switched out, we have reported things or we have reported information in our budget hearings to you all in our November 5 regular meeting and the numbers didn't add. Like there were items and specific programs that were left off. And so I'm confident in the overall numbers. It was that as we were digging deeper, we're like, where is this?

3:26:21Speaker 48

So to your point about a second version, usually we publish three.

3:26:28Speaker 4

Yeah, I get that. But there was a mistake.

3:26:31 – 3:26:42Speaker 48

Yes, and it's a fair assessment. So we'll look into, hopefully it doesn't happen again, right? Of course. But it's a fair assessment.

3:26:42 – 3:27:33Speaker 4

Well, I appreciate anything we can do to just clear that up in case anyone, you know maybe no one has done that, I don't know but just in case someone did download it before the change was made, think it would be good to let the public know. The other thing I'll say and I know I've said this multiple times and probably starting to sound like a broken record, but two of the categories in non agency in particular, the one listed as consent decree and the one listed as inmate services do have department affiliations. Non agency is supposed to be a place where numbers go when there is no department and that is not true for consent decree or inmate services. I believe everything that is in the inmate services expense category belongs in the sheriff's budget. And on the consent decree side, those expenses fall somewhere between Dream and the sheriff.

3:27:33Speaker 4

And so they should be allotted that way. This is not separate spending, it is spending that these departments have to do. So I would ask that that be corrected in the future version of the budget.

3:27:45Speaker 1

Commissioner Aftah Raghavan.

3:27:48 – 3:28:17Speaker 5

Thank you, Chairman. Anytime you talk about the budget, individuals have their own personal opinion about it. But just for the listening audience, I would like to make it crystal clear that this executive staff works at the direction of this board. You all don't sit somewhere and decide that ABC and you don't put a blindfold on and say one, two, three, you work at the pleasure of the board. Let's be crystal clear about that.

3:28:18 – 3:29:25Speaker 5

Secondly, you all do not have a printing press anywhere to make up money. And so, for the listening public who has heard a 9.92 and has heard a 10 whatever and my phone is already buzzing over here about a millage rate increase. Let's be fair to the listening public, there will be no millage rate increase. We may have to look at one down the road, but regardless of who wants to push a millage rate increase, the Fulton County tax paying citizens who are our bosses have been very loud, crystal and clear that there would be no millage rate increase. Now, else is conjecture, fantasy or whatever you wanna do for your documentary or your reality TV show.

3:29:25 – 3:30:17Speaker 5

But here at Fulton County, we deal with facts and the facts of the matter, county manager, there is no millage rate increase. And so, the will of this board will be the budget that you all will work in. We as commissioners have a responsibility to balance the budget and to put forward that which is need and sometimes, case in point, where IT and t the ITT department, it changes. We know that we are involving especially after we were hacked. There are things that we're doing that over time, you may need to bring to this board and get more funding for and that is reasonable.

3:30:17 – 3:31:16Speaker 5

But to say something is not somewhere, you're giving deliberately giving misinformation to the Fulton County tax paying citizen, you're deliberately undermining the county manager staff and I as a commissioner will not stand here and be quiet. So commissioners and chairman, as I bring this to a close, the things that I want the listening taxpayers of Fulton County to know, we work for the Fulton County tax paying citizen. They're our boss, for one. For two, there will be no millage rate increase and for three, the counter manager and his staff take the direction and the will of the board. Thank you.

3:31:17Speaker 1

Commissioner Arrington.

3:31:25 – 3:31:54Speaker 15

So we have a budget resolution and the budget resolution calls for the staff, the county manager and his staff to come up with a budget. I want I want to be very clear for the record. The county manager reports to us. The rest of his team reports to him. They do not report to this board or to any of these commissioners.

3:31:54 – 3:32:44Speaker 15

The county manager, the county attorney, one or two others report to the board, but not, the executive members of staff, or of his team. And any information that was provided otherwise is inaccurate. So they come up with that information. They come up with the budget on their own, and then they present the budget that they have come up with to us to this board, and this board makes a decision. And then that staff and accounting manager go from there based on what happens and the decision that is made by this board.

3:32:45Speaker 15

And, know, right now there's a gang of four making all those decisions.

3:32:53Speaker 1

Commissioner Ivory?

3:32:54 – 3:33:43Speaker 3

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. County manager and county CFO, just for a point of clarification in the hemisphere. In your 2026 proposed budget, right now without any changes once you have seen everything, you said we were going to have 8.87 and that right now you knew that there was a 0.39 of consent decree cost from that 30,000,000. You in the last meeting said you were not going to call it an overlay anymore but just add that 0.39 in and I think 8.87 plus that 0.39 comes to 9.16 and you said that is in the proposed budget as of right now since you haven't presented the numbers reconciled for December.

3:33:43Speaker 3

Is that true?

3:33:48Speaker 3

9.16 larger than 8.87?

3:33:55 – 3:34:34Speaker 3

Okay, just one more time because sometimes I get so confused. Is the number 9.16 larger than the number 8.87? Yes, Commissioner Ivory. Okay, so then that would mean we would be having a millage rate increase in 2026 if just kept exactly as is in your 2026 proposed budget. Is that correct? Yes. Thank you. Sometimes I feel so crazy sometimes being here but then I just get the clarification that I need and I go, okay, I'm not crazy at all. Alright, thank you so much for that clarification.

3:34:35Speaker 1

But that would just be his, their recommendation. Is the

3:34:40 – 3:34:51Speaker 3

recommendation that we have not yet voted on. So we couldn't say whether or not there would be no millage rate increase or whether there would be one. Is that right Mr. Chairman? Thank you.

3:34:51Speaker 1

Vice Chair Ellis admits let's break for lunch here soon.

3:34:55 – 3:35:32Speaker 6

Yeah I'll just I'll be real quick. I do think we definitely have heard from the taxpayers very loud and clear about the desire for no increases in taxes. So as we do every year, we're going have a reset of the budget as we learn how numbers finalize. And I do think a priority should be working within a framework to get back to a proposed budget that has a flat millage rate. And I hope that's what we're working towards. And what if there are additional funds, that that's where that priority is given, is to get that back to a flat level.

3:35:33 – 3:36:10Speaker 1

Anything else? Well, I'll entertain a motion to recess for lunch in the executive session. But let me just say one thing. I always say budget time, if you want to add something to the budget, it will be helpful if you say where the money is gonna come from, whether it's a millage rate increase or other sources. And on the one that you brought up about the Board of Equalization, That's one that I support, and that's one that I know where the money's gonna come from, and it does not require a military increase. Alright. Entertain the motion to recess for lunch executive session. Spoke, please.

3:36:10Speaker 15

That's interesting because I brought forth a resolution to pass that and you didn't support it.

3:36:17Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And motion passes. Six yeas, zero nays.

3:36:57 – 3:37:09Speaker 50

Number one. And number two, Sherry, I wanna tell you, I have watched you so long and and I've and I've your journey with Jeffrey. But but the thing that I'm kind of still puzzled about

3:37:11Speaker 50

Was, you know, that well, you broke up with Lenny. Lenny Krabbe.

3:37:15Speaker 51

Oh, Lenny Krabbe.

3:37:20 – 3:37:35Speaker 50

Was that was comedic genius, Sherry. I love that. And the classic line, it's not you, it's me. And I wanna know, Sherry, I know you slipped in his number. Did Lenny ever call you?

3:37:38 – 3:38:13Speaker 51

There was another another thing. You know, being a new talk show, it's hard to get people, big a listers, to come on the show. And I have been like, everywhere I was, I'd go, Lenny, can you go to my show? And he'd be like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And I would just I said, you know what, Sherry, just talk about them all the time. That is I just would always talk about them. And what happened was, when you tell everybody what you want, people started sending him messages going, Sherry Shepherd wants you to come on her show. Sherry Shepherd likes you. So whatever video he would do videos when he dances. So I'd do a video dancing too, and the fans would repost it to Lenny Kravitz.

3:38:13 – 3:38:36Speaker 51

So one time, he did we did a dance. It was a split screen of me dancing, and he called. He said, I wanna come on the show. He he called and said, I wanna come on the show. And, you know, it's so funny. He just was willing to play. He was willing to play. I didn't know what I was gonna say when I sat on that couch. He smells so good. And he just wanted to play, you know.

3:38:36 – 3:39:18Speaker 51

And so we did that and he got on his hands and knees and he nuzzled my neck and it was great. And yes, I did give him my phone number and he did call. He did call. It wasn't like to go out on a date, but he was he called and he went, I do a lot of talk shows and I had so much much fun with you. So and I said, Lenny, I got you back up with black women because black women you need to thank me for that one because he was like, Sherry, they're stopping me everywhere in the grocery stores. Know, Lenny do that rock music, you know. And we know American woman and and the one he does to his mother. But I said, I got you back in the zeitgeist of black women. But thank you for that. And so yes, we are we have a really great great friendship.

3:39:19Speaker 51

But I thank you for that's one of my favorite episodes that he always says when can I come back on? I go what, I'm gonna break up with you twice? So thank you for watching that episode.

3:39:34Speaker 52

And we would like to thank everyone for coming. And did you all enjoy Sherry's show?

3:39:39Speaker 2

Thank you very much. Thank

3:39:42 – 3:40:12Speaker 52

you so much. Yes. I was excited as well because this was actually my first time introducing. So yeah. Thank you. And my mom watches you every day. And thank you all again, and we are looking forward to having you again. So pay attention to our fullcollibrary.org website for up and coming events as well. Okay. Thank you again.

3:40:12 – 3:40:48Speaker 53

A little bit of housekeeping. My name is Bunny. I'm from Brave and Kind Books. We are just so honored to be able celebrate the series. That's right. That's right. Thank you very much. I thank you so much for shouting out independent bookstores it is so very important like you said I mean those other places they'll kick your package up on the porch it might it might make it up there and it might not but every time you purchase a book from an independent bookstore an angel gets his wings and we do a happy dance and and that is that's 100% for for sure. So we appreciate your partnership. We appreciate your community.

3:40:49 – 3:41:03Speaker 53

We appreciate that you help us to continue to celebrate and elevate our stories. And we're so honored to be able to bring miss Shepherd and share her wonderful stories and the joy that she continues to create with you all. So thank you. Thank you for coming.

3:41:21 – 3:41:39Speaker 8

Fulton County lights our Christmas tree here at the government center every year. It's a really fun tradition. Employees in the community come together to celebrate. We were joined with four of our commissioners, which is a real treat for employees to get to hear from our leadership.

3:41:39Speaker 1

Happy holiday season on behalf of the board of commissioners in Fulton County. I wanna thank each of you, your employees, for another great year in Fulton County.

3:41:48 – 3:42:10Speaker 8

We know that every Christmas tree lighting has Santa and elves, but we decided, to do something different this year, and we welcomed some fallout llamas here to the Fulton County Government Center. Fulton County loves pets and animals, so this was a really fun way us to bring animals into our celebration.

3:42:10 – 3:42:38Speaker 9

This one over here, the chestnut and white, that's Emerson. And this one is a cat. So It's short for catastrophe, which is not always kosher. So we have a couple of different boot camps, if you will, and then we continue with experience training, and it gets more and more intense with the things we introduce. Kat, where where are you going? Oh, that's perfect for video.

3:42:40 – 3:42:56Speaker 8

We are just excited for everyone in Fulton County to have a great holiday, to celebrate with their friends and family. We are working very hard to give back to the community this holiday season and wish everyone a wonderful holiday.

3:42:56Speaker 10

You got it? How's it going? Alright.

3:42:58Speaker 11

We good. Alright. Thank y'all.

3:43:00Speaker 10

Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

3:43:22 – 3:44:02Speaker 54

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3:51:03 – 3:51:16Speaker 55

We are at the Johns Creek Environmental Campus having our official November 2025 homeschool day. So we wanna bring our homeschoolers out to learn about recycling, which our water also does. We can't create new water, so our water just recycles all around the world.

3:51:16 – 3:51:35Speaker 56

They ask questions about the process. They ask like, how do we get the water from the river? And why do we put the water back into the river? So, you know, they always are very, very curious about the entire process. We tell them who uses it, you know, questions about how they use the river and why do people clean the water.

3:51:35 – 3:51:46Speaker 55

We also do public education in our schools, so we go to the schools and talk about water. But being able to come through this facility and see it firsthand from our educators and experience it hands on It's definitely a fun experience for them to come and do that.

3:51:46 – 3:52:05Speaker 56

We try to give every day makes sense type information. So, for example, we tell people not to flush flushable wipes, and they say, you know, why shouldn't we flush flushable wipes? I was like, it's a marketing tool. So no day is the same. No group is the same. Different groups have different needs.

3:52:05 – 3:52:21Speaker 55

I'm really excited that we even have this opportunity. We haven't been able to do many homeschools in the past. Of course, with COVID happened, lots of people wanted to go back inside. So we're bringing these programs back, progressively, but we're here. We have the kids. We have the materials. We have the games, and we're pulling this off. I'm just glad that we're here and

3:52:21Speaker 57

we're able to do this.

3:52:33Speaker 52

So my name is Johnson, and I'm the youngest certified farmer in the nation. And today, we're having a farm tour, a really big one.

3:52:42 – 3:53:07Speaker 58

This is agriculture urban farm. We're in the middle of Southwest Atlanta, and we grow and teach for the community. We have it's a one acre lot where we have livestock like chicken and ducks, and we have farm rabbit, of course, some dogs. We grow different types of greens and everything.

3:53:07Speaker 52

This is arugula. This is arugula too. We also have some more coy greens. I don't this I know these two rows are mostly arugula and coy greens.

3:53:17 – 3:53:52Speaker 15

Wow. We've invited families out. We've got over a 100 families that registered to come out here today to get free produce from Fulton Fresh as well as to tour the farm here. The children, the families are loving it. They're loving the animals. Are rabbits and chickens and roosters and bees and ducks and all types of fun stuff for the whole family. So we're just really excited to have the opportunity to be here today, to partner with Kendall Ray and to grow culture for this harvest day.

3:53:52 – 3:54:25Speaker 12

This is really amazing. And to be, you know, something that a young person, a 10 year old, it was her idea that has flourished here. What I'm hoping is that she can motivate other 10 year olds and other kids in her age group to be interested in gardening because most kids think that vegetables started at Publix in the in the produce aisle. So I I'm just really impressed. I'm really impressed. Community gardens are important because we do live in a what they

3:54:25 – 3:54:57Speaker 58

call a food desert. Most of our food that we have is heavily processed or is a fast food product that really doesn't nourish us like we need nourishment. So having fresh homegrown food is one of the ways to combat a food desert, and most of these food deserts are in are in urban settings. So we are in an urban setting, and this is a a place where we can contribute to the solution.

3:54:57 – 3:55:17Speaker 15

I really wish that every house in Fulton County could have a farm. Well, not even necessarily a farm, but a garden in the front yard like the garden that they have in this front yard. It is absolutely amazing. It would revolutionize our our food system and everything that we're doing.

3:55:17 – 3:55:35Speaker 58

It's been really impactful to get people in in in the neighborhoods and surrounding areas of Southwest Atlanta to be involved with not just getting food, but also volunteering and learning, stuff like that. It's been impactful in those ways.

3:55:48 – 3:56:16Speaker 59

He held the best hand walk run for Fulton County employees to participate. We had more than 400 employees participate and sign up, and more importantly, braved this chilling weather that we're having today. The rules are very simple. You know, we are walking to five or six the various locations, county facility locations where at the location, they pull a card and they hope they get the best hand, kinda like playing poker and exercise as well.

3:56:16 – 3:56:30Speaker 51

it's been good. I mean, I was concerned because it was cold, but once you start moving, everything feels it actually feels quite nice out here. The the cold weather is actually helping, but it's always fun. So this is my second time participating, and I'm having a

3:56:30Speaker 1

Last year, I didn't get a chance to do it. So it's nice to kinda just walk around and

3:56:35Speaker 1

Actually get to be a part of the community we serve.

3:56:37Speaker 37

Paul Paces. Paul Paces.

3:56:40Speaker 60

We are from the fun loving department of human resources management and we are the Full

3:56:52Speaker 10

Having a great time. Yes.

3:56:54 – 3:57:31Speaker 60

We are supporting the HR department for the walk and they're getting the employees out to get their blood flowing and be out on this beautiful day just walking and exercising. And so what we did, we have a stop, and our stop, our theme is candy because we wanted to think outside of the box, and we wanted to be sweet as well. So we have a candy theme, and the employees are able to come. They're pulling cards to see who gets the best hand in the deck of cards, and they're also able to get candy. And we have music playing. We have our purchasing pops. And so we're having an amazing day.

3:57:46 – 3:57:57Speaker 59

This is our way of engaging employees, getting them to exercise while also having fun at the same time. And we're hoping that, you know, HR wins this year because it's been, I think we're going on six years that we have not won this event.

3:57:57 – 3:58:09Speaker 10

Just won for best dressed. We were the social butterflies to represent how we help people revolutionize and change. And it's been fun. This has been 2025, and we've had a

3:58:09Speaker 52

good time this year.

3:58:10Speaker 2

Feels good. We're a $100 richer.

3:58:13Speaker 52

We are trophy more, and we got a medal

3:58:17Speaker 10

And we got some good exercise.

3:58:19Speaker 2

Indeed. Period.

3:58:33 – 3:58:53Speaker 24

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3:58:53 – 3:59:21Speaker 24

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3:59:45Speaker 27

When to start. Right now?

3:59:53 – 4:00:15Speaker 27

Good morning, everyone. This is the regular meeting of the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections being held on 12/05/2025 at 11:00AM. This will also be our recertification meeting for the municipal runoff election that was held on December 2. Calling the meeting to order. All cell phones are gonna be turned off prior to the meeting.

4:00:15 – 4:01:06Speaker 27

Citizens are allowed to voice request for concerns, opinions during the communication and public response portion of the meeting of the Board of Registration on Elections. Before speaking, each participant should have already given a card to miss Mariska Bodison and miss Bodison at this meeting because I'm gonna have to attend virtually because I'm ill today. But miss Bodison will call the speakers to the podium and then also just two minutes for each person up to a total of sixty minutes per meeting. And before we ask approve the agenda, there's an additional item that I think should be added to the agenda. We had a member, member Adams, who wanted to have a legal opinion and have a discussion about electronic dissemination of election materials for precertification, and we wanna add that to the agenda today.

4:01:07Speaker 27

Can I get a motion to amend the agenda?

4:01:10Speaker 61

Motion to amend the agenda. Second.

4:01:15 – 4:01:27Speaker 27

All those in favor, aye. Aye. Chair, both sides, they amend the the agenda is amended. We will add it to after the

4:01:29Speaker 27

Under new business, number seven.

4:01:31Speaker 17

Excuse me, madam chair. Would you entertain a motion for an additional amendment to the agenda?

4:01:39 – 4:02:05Speaker 17

I'd like to see if we could have a continuing discussion of the alternate messaging requests that we're pursuing to figure out a comprehensive way of contacting voters through text messaging or emails. We could just add that to the agenda. I think I did see some email follow-up, but wanted to make sure that that was continued to be discussed by our Board until we get a resolution.

4:02:07 – 4:02:19Speaker 27

Can can we discuss that during well, we can either add it to the agenda or I I agree with you wholeheartedly. Add it to the agenda or make sure it's discussed during the monthly operations report about it.

4:02:19Speaker 17

Sure. Yeah. As long as it's discussed during the either way. Whatever your pleasure.

4:02:25Speaker 27

Anybody opposed to adding in to the monthly operations report and and director Williams to discuss it?

4:02:31 – 4:03:09Speaker 61

No. No objection. We I I'm having a little bit of trouble hearing you, and I'm assuming the people in the audience, we have several people here, are having trouble hearing you as well. I'm sure that we can work that out. But are you okay. I think that Nadine adjusted it, so we'll be able to hear you better, I believe. Are you all having trouble hearing her? Yes. I'm getting nods yes. No.

4:03:12Speaker 27

ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Can you hear me better now?

4:04:07Speaker 61

Yeah. Can you go here?

4:04:08Speaker 27

can. Thank you. Is this better?

4:04:14Speaker 57

No. Yes? Oh, no. Microphone doesn't seem to be kicking it out.

4:04:23Speaker 27

I'll talk very loudly.

4:04:33Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you.

4:04:35Speaker 27

Okay. Can I get a motion for approval of the agenda as amended?

4:04:43 – 4:05:09Speaker 27

those in favor, say aye. Aye. Chair votes aye. It's unanimous. And let's turn to number two, communications and public comments. Miss Bodison, if you would would you call up any person that are here for public comment and let them know when your time is left. Good morning, madam chair and members of the board. I am calling Hola Keayali.

4:05:14 – 4:05:43Speaker 21

Good morning, everyone. My name is Ola Kayali. I'm the manager of Roseville Library Precinct at Vansboro, and I'm here today to talk about the train and slash compliance officers position. The last elections, their hours has been cut, and as a result, they left the position. And as a manager in the field, I wanna talk about how important to have them. I'm thinking about the newcomers, the new managers, and the new management teams. This is

4:05:43 – 4:06:18Speaker 21

challenging position. It requires a lot of multitasks, a lot of knowledge about the system, the operations, the procedures. And those newcomers definitely need new set of eyes, experienced set of eyes like the training slash compliance officers. And they want them to be available all the time. They want them to observe how they run the precincts and they want their feedback because they've been trained and that trainerscompliance officers are the best people to observe and give them their feedback.

4:06:19 – 4:06:58Speaker 21

And as experienced manager, I'm manager at Roswell Priesten. I will tell you easily that every single time I have experienced a situation that I did not experience before. And I always pick up the phone and talk to my trainer slash compliance officer, Ms. Margaret Williams, who did a great job actually done with me. And that's why please consider make their hours matching the election operational hours. Carter Center visit visited Rosewood Library Precinct the past presidential elections, and their feedback was

4:06:59 – 4:07:31Speaker 21

Very positive. And let's enhance the system. Let's support the system. And also taking the opportunity to thank miss Sharon Benjamin for her great leadership in advanced warning department. I joined the team back in 2019, and she took it a long way with the help with the her team. And you took it from one day training in the downtown area with no manuals, no hands on. Yes. So thank so you much, and enjoy being under your leadership. Thank you, miss Benjamin.

4:07:32 – 4:07:46Speaker 27

Sorry about that. Next speaker, Ralph O'Connor. And if the speakers can speak a little louder as well so I can make sure I can understand everything you said. Thank you.

4:07:46 – 4:08:08Speaker 13

Good morning. My name is Ralph O'Connor. I'm a Fulton County voter. I want to thank miss Williams and her staff for very quickly fixing a unique redistricting problem that affected the building where I live in Atlanta. Early September, I downloaded my precinct card, which showed I was in Precinct 03 P 1 A, workman for years, in City Council District 9.

4:08:08 – 4:08:37Speaker 13

We've been getting campaign literature from both candidates for city council district nine. In preparing to vote early for the November, I printed my sample ballot for my voter page on October 22. I was surprised to see no candidates for Council District 9 listed, but there were candidates for Council District three. Then I redid my precinct card on October 22, and it said, now I'm in Precinct 03 F. I emailed that information to Ms.

4:08:37 – 4:08:59Speaker 13

Williams' staff. Two hours later, I received a call from Ms. Corinne Lindo, who works for the Atlanta City Council. She told me that our building includes two census blocks, the smallest unit for redistricting, and our building was split between two precincts and two city council districts. She asked me to email her a map of our building, which I did.

4:08:59 – 4:09:25Speaker 13

Next day, she emailed me that Fulton County had confirmed which of our condo units were in which precinct, had corrected my voter page records, and sent me a list of the unit numbers for each floor in our that matched up with the right precinct. I shared this information with my neighbors on our building's electronic message board. So thanks to Ms. Williams' staff and Ms. Lindo for fixing this problem within twenty four hours.

4:09:25 – 4:10:00Speaker 13

I'd also like to encourage the board and department to continue our efforts to be able to blast messages to voters by text or email. This fall, we regularly got text messages from Fulton County reminding us to pay our property taxes before the deadline. It would be nice if the Board of Registration Elections would have the same ability to email or text all Fulton County voters to remind us to update our residential addresses on My Voter page before an election deadline and a reminder to vote before each election. As you know, the turnout this year has been pretty low. Thank you.

4:10:04Speaker 27

Next speaker is Judy

4:10:12 – 4:10:43Speaker 7

My name is Judy Brathwaite. I'm Early Boarding Manager here at the Hub. And I'm speaking on behalf of our trainers and our the training process. I ran into two situations this last election the runoff and the previous one where the processor was questioned on the way we were trained to use the pull pads. And we've been doing that this process for pretty much close to a year.

4:10:43 – 4:11:32Speaker 7

Basically, when the border comes in, they give us their their ID, whatever it may be, whether it's a passport, whatever it is, a government ID. The border the processor scans the ID, verifies the information on the identification that was handed. Then we accept that because then we look at the the the ID identification that was given to us, verify that it compares with what is on the poll tag. We accept that information since we verify what we're seeing. Then we flip it over, have the voter verify their own information, hands them back their identification ID, have them sign the oath, accept, then sign in, and then we proceed to process the voter from there.

4:11:33 – 4:11:53Speaker 7

The question came was that we were not doing it correctly, and that's how we were trained by our trainers. I mean, so far, our trainers have never lead us wrong. We've been accepting. We've been doing fine all along, and I'm wondering why there's a question now as the way we're processing the borders. And that's all I need to speak about. Thank you.

4:12:05Speaker 27

Next speaker is Margaret Williams.

4:12:16 – 4:13:06Speaker 7

Good morning, chair and members of the board. My name is Margaret Williams. I'm a former vice president at Bank of America, and I've served as an early voting trainer in Fulton County since 2022. I'm here today to share my informed perspective on the recent changes to early voting operations and highlight the serious deliberate risk they pose to Fulton County's ability to serve its residents with integrity, transparency, and professionalism. Please note, in 2024, Early Voting successfully managed a record voter turnout on day one of the election and processed 55% of total votes cast in Fulton County.

4:13:06 – 4:13:43Speaker 7

The Carter Center praised the staff's training and professionalism. In contrast, election day handled 45% of voter turnout, but problems in training among others were highlighted. Yet, the department is rushing to adopt this failed model. These changes are not minor adjustments. They represent a fundamental misunderstanding and disregard for the unique requirements of running a transparent, state compliant, early voting process.

4:13:44 – 4:14:31Speaker 7

Simple explanation is this. Election day equipment is open in the morning and closed later in the day. Managers oversee just one day of activity with minimal reporting requirement. Early voting is entirely different. It is an elaborate seventeen to nineteen days requiring managers to reconcile voting activity on each piece of equipment daily and cumulatively, account for, and explain discrepancies, maintain chain of custody throughout complex reporting, process voters, resolve issues, and ensure compliance and security every single day.

4:14:32 – 4:15:01Speaker 7

Remember, early voting was praised for training and execution. Election day was criticized for deficiencies despite these obvious differences. In in contrast to other large companies such as Cobb and Gwinnett, Fulton County is now collapsing it into the election day model that does not meet its unique demands. Miss William. Using may I please?

4:15:02 – 4:15:39Speaker 7

Using one manual for two very different processes, reducing poor worker training, and employing other equally destructive practices under the guise of streamlining and efficiency. Just one minute now, please. Thank you. This is not streamlining. It's deliberate destruction of a proven system and will produce predictable failures for which the board must bear responsibility at the worst possible time in the fulgur of next year's federal elections.

4:15:39 – 4:15:57Speaker 7

I urge this board to reconsider these ill conceived, deliberately destructive changes. Fulton County residents deserve nothing less. Thank you for your time and for your commitment to protecting the integrity of our elections.

4:16:01Speaker 27

Madam chair and member members of the board, that is

4:16:04Speaker 12

all public comment for today.

4:16:07 – 4:16:18Speaker 27

That is the end of public comment? Yes, madam chair. Okay. Thank you. Turning to old business, can I there's the minutes of November 4

4:16:35Speaker 21

Motion to approve?

4:17:02 – 4:17:16Speaker 27

One, more information out to the public regarding their location, but also any updates that we have in the discussion of the board on texting and emailing voters. So voters can

4:17:22 – 4:18:04Speaker 12

Yes. Good morning, madam chair and members of the board. In regards to the operations report, it was provided to the BRE. So we'll take any questions in regards to that. Before we take the questions, I will discuss the texting for voters. So we did receive a response from the secretary of state. They were able to pull a report. They provide us with the voters' email address and phone number if the voter put that information in their voter registration record in charges. So now we're at the point where we're reaching out to vendors. We're working with external affairs to set up appointments to do I don't know if it has to go to bid, so we're checking that as well to see what vendors could possibly provide the service to send out messages to voters.

4:18:04 – 4:18:17Speaker 12

That's what the point we're at. We'll give the board update as we go along, but we're gonna meet with the vendors to see how they can assist us in 2026 And, of course, make sure we have funding to provide whatever that cost is as well.

4:18:18Speaker 27

Thank thank you very much, director Williams, because I know it's important all been very concerned about the notice and the opportunity

4:18:46Speaker 17

Yes. I'm I'm just curious. Would Fulton County be unique in communicating with voters by text or email, or do we know whether other counties do it?

4:18:56 – 4:19:19Speaker 12

I believe the cab might have some type of communication as well, but I'll I'll check on that. Okay. I know that in public comments, somebody said that the tax assessor sends out messages. I will reach out to that office to see what vendor they use so that we could possibly kick you back off of that service. But, yes, I do believe some counties do do that. I'm not sure what communication they send Right. But I do believe some of them might have something

4:19:19Speaker 7

that they send out.

4:19:20Speaker 17

Well, doctor Ferdinand sent emails. I don't know about text messages, but definitely email.

4:19:24Speaker 27

Okay. Okay. Question. For those people that we don't

4:19:29Speaker 57

have any contact information for, how does the department see trying to get that?

4:19:37 – 4:19:59Speaker 12

I don't believe we'll be able to obtain that information. We'll still be required to send all voters a precinct change card. So whether they have their text or email in the system, they're gonna get a precinct card regardless if there's a change. So that will still take place if it's required. But I don't I don't know how we could solicit to get we can I can look into that, but I don't know how we could solicit to get phone numbers? If that answers your question.

4:19:59Speaker 57

Yeah. I was just wondering if maybe during voting, we could have a list to have people, if they care, to sign up to get it electronic information.

4:20:10 – 4:20:27Speaker 12

Yes. True. We could make flyers for that service and say, hey. You know, for future reference, whatever vendor we need, we can make a flyer. We can also give it to our voter education team when they go out to events. So once we get the the vendor in place, we can branch off Okay. To advertise that. And we'll also, again, work with external affairs about that as well.

4:20:27Speaker 57

That'd be wonderful. Thank you.

4:20:29 – 4:20:49Speaker 27

And, essentially, have them to opt in. If that's in how they want to receive it. I think that this would be would be a great service to the electorate. Any further discussion? Any discussion or questions regarding the monthly operational report that was in the packet?

4:20:54 – 4:21:13Speaker 27

Hearing none. Then election preparation update for the general municipal runoff election on 12/02/2025? And then also to segue director Williams into the special runoff election for State Senate District 35 on 12/16/2025. Okay.

4:21:14 – 4:21:41Speaker 12

So all information that is provided to the for the board to review is available today. The unofficial incomplete results are here on the laptops. The outline of what is provided to the board is behind you on the signage. It's also listed on our website. So voter for the so the board does have time to look at the number list of voters from Epos, from Jarvis, the scanner results tapes, the election night summary report, and the statement of votes cast.

4:21:41 – 4:22:05Speaker 12

And you also received the election summary report and the statement of votes cast via email. So you all should have already have received that on election night or the morning the morning after. Outside of that, for the senate district thirty five runoff election, we are preparing for that election. It's gonna be a low turnout election, but we'll be a 100% ready to go for that as well.

4:22:07 – 4:22:19Speaker 27

Was there any discussion regarding what director Williams just stated about the review of documents we have to review and the special ops election within the District 35?

4:22:20 – 4:22:33Speaker 61

I I have a question. It's an ongoing question I asked her the other night. I'd like to know about the Buckhead Library, the two stand alone black scanners only having one seal, not having two on it.

4:22:34 – 4:23:17Speaker 12

Right. So I believe you and I had a discussion via telephone on election night in regards to that. So we talked to our advanced loading manager. It was confirmed that one of the seals on the stand alone scanner broke off in transport. But, again, that does not mean that the the equipment is not secure. Again, the manager captures that seal number on the recap sheets. It's confirmed during chain of custody when the drivers pick up pick up the equipment. So if it broke off within the truck what we will start doing, though, is ensuring that when the machines are set up on the floor before tabulation, they will do another check of the seals to make sure to see if anything broke off. But outside of that, everything was secured. The memory card seals were intact.

4:23:18Speaker 61

And if you have any additional questions There were two observers here that

4:23:22 – 4:23:46Speaker 27

said that Can I say something just a minute, mister Camero Adams? We director Williams, we physically went out to look. And like you said, the memory cards were intact. Can you do a brief explanation in more detail so that owners understand when there's a stand alone printer, what the security measures are to make sure that everything is secure?

4:23:46 – 4:24:28Speaker 12

Yes. So for Fulton County, we use scanner. We use the carriers. It uses the there's several seals that are not required by code because most counties don't use carriers. Some of the seals that you see on the outside are just the seals to make sure that the door that have the BMD screen is closed. So, basically, they're cosmetics to say it's for for lack of a better word. And the we do secure them to be on the safe side. But, again, if those things were to break off in transport, it does not jeopardize election in any form or fashion. I'm not saying that the seals are not all important, but the one that's the main the one that's major majorly important are the ones with the memory cards. There are two memory cards, the poll worker card and administrative card.

4:24:28 – 4:25:01Speaker 12

Both of those are were intact and secure. They're all documented. So, again, if a seal were to fall off and it it does not jeopardize the election, and there's still checks and balances. Again, we check the the vote the count on the tape. We literally physically count the physical balance to make sure the physical balance counts match the card on the tape. We check the number of voters that have checked in. So all those things, there's checks and balances that wave are way past a sealed number that's on the exterior of the actual machine.

4:25:02 – 4:25:13Speaker 27

Okay. And on the breast hand stand alone scanners, when we checked, were not both memory cards still still intact?

4:25:13Speaker 12

Yes. They were.

4:25:15Speaker 27

And and those are if I can

4:25:17Speaker 57

comment, those are internal. They're not out to where they can be seen by the public. They're internal components. So

4:25:26Speaker 27

they're covered.

4:25:27Speaker 12

Yes. And, again, in in regards to poll watchers, if they do find a seal at on-site, they are welcome to come and get our staff to discuss what they are observing at that time.

4:25:38 – 4:25:57Speaker 27

director Williams, I would like to ask you, is that a better method so that in real time, there can be a response. We can look you can look. Your department can look and check, ask to see if there's something that someone notices a cold watcher or someone notices that does not seem correct. Is that what you prefer?

4:25:57 – 4:26:14Speaker 12

Yes. That was that is what we prefer. Because, again, at this point, it's almost as if we're talking about hearsay. Because I don't if he would have physically told me come out and see that the seal is missing, we could have addressed it at that point. But, again, we our for our advanced living manager, it was one seal. She has it documented.

4:26:16Speaker 27

Okay. Ever asked, do you have any further Yes. Discussion about that? Yes.

4:26:21 – 4:26:52Speaker 61

Okay. The two observers both saw that two of the scanners only had one of the two outside the top that goes on it seals. And I just want to ask about this because it those would should not come off in transportation. It doesn't look like from where they are. But it it might be a training opportunity for the location that had this problem or a training opportunity for everyone.

4:26:52Speaker 27

Let me make sure I'm understanding that.

4:26:53Speaker 17

That's not consistent with what we saw at all.

4:26:57Speaker 27

Speak up, please, so I can hear.

4:26:59Speaker 17

Yeah. I'm just saying that that's not consistent with what we saw at all. I thought we understood that the internal seals that are inside the encasement

4:30:48 – 4:31:03Speaker 1

We will resume the regular order of business, madam clerk, without objection. Madam Clerk, you with us? I'm sorry. Items from executive session. Items from executive session.

4:31:06 – 4:31:25Speaker 62

Thank you, mister chair. Is there a motion to approve the jail consent decree monitoring team's 2026 annual budget in the amount of $1,924,404.

4:31:25Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Arrington, seconded by commissioner Thorne. Please vote.

4:31:31Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And motion passes. Five yeas, zero nays.

4:31:41 – 4:31:58Speaker 62

Is there a motion to approve a contract with Vertosoft, UKG TeleStaff for scheduling tool for automation of staffing in the amount of 414,114 thousand $898.

4:31:58Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne. Is there a second? Seconded by commissioner Ivory. Please vote.

4:32:04Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And motion passes. Six yays, zero nays.

4:32:15 – 4:32:26Speaker 62

Is there a motion to approve the request for representation contained in items three through six of the executive session agenda?

4:32:26Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Ivory, seconded by I need a second. Seconded by commissioner Barrett. Please vote.

4:32:37 – 4:32:49Speaker 16

the vote is open. And the motion passes, four yeas, one abstention.

4:32:52 – 4:33:14Speaker 62

Is there a motion to approve the settlement agreement in item seven of the executive session agenda in the case of Devin Gattison versus Fulton County et al, United States District Court, Northern District of Georgia, civil action file one twenty five c v o one zero six seven in the amount of $75,000.

4:33:14Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Ivory, seconded by commissioner Thorne. Please vote.

4:33:18Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And motion passes five yeas zero nays.

4:33:27 – 4:33:46Speaker 62

Is there a motion to approve the utilization of cooperative purchasing for an information technology contract using the Sourcewell contract number 10720 with Axon in an amount not to exceed $3,800,000.

4:33:46Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Ivory. Please vote.

4:33:51Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Five yeas, zero nays.

4:34:01 – 4:34:16Speaker 62

Is there a motion to approve an information technology change order with Carisoft Technology Corporation to extend professional services in an amount not to exceed $439,200

4:34:16Speaker 1

Motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Commissioner Barrett. Please vote.

4:34:21Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes, six yeas, zero nays.

4:34:31 – 4:34:56Speaker 62

Is there a motion to transfer the Trammell Crow buffer parcels with properties located at on or about Cascade Road, Elva Drive excuse me, Cascade Road and 1210 Elva Drive from the county to the city of South Fulton as contained in executive session item 11 a.

4:34:56Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett. Please vote.

4:35:02Speaker 16

And the vote is open.

4:35:07 – 4:35:24Speaker 62

And motion passes six yeas zero nays. Is there a motion to approve the transfer of property located at 0 Union Road and 0 Wallace Road from the county to the city of South Fulton as contained in executive session item number 11 b.

4:35:24Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Arrington.

4:35:29Speaker 16

The vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas, zero nays. Is there

4:35:39 – 4:35:58Speaker 62

a motion to approve the transfer of Wolf Creek Amphitheater and adjacent properties located at 3025 Mark Road, 3034 Enon Road and 0 Vanderford excuse me Vanderford Road South from the county to the city of South Fulton as contained in executive session item number 11 c.

4:35:59Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Arrington, seconded by commissioner Thorne.

4:36:04Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And motion passes six yeas zero nays.

4:36:12 – 4:36:27Speaker 62

Is there a motion to approve the transfer of two fire stations located at 6720 Cedar Grove Road and 4760 Fulton Industrial Boulevard from the county to the city of South Fulton as contained in executive session item 11 d.

4:36:27Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Arrington, seconded by commissioner Ivory.

4:36:33Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yays, zero nays.

4:36:41 – 4:36:56Speaker 62

And finally, is there a motion to approve the contract renewal of Chief Appraiser, Roger Connolly, with an effective date of 12/21/2025, and for an annual rate of $236,250

4:36:56Speaker 1

Is there a motion? Motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

4:37:06Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes five yeas zero nays.

4:37:16Speaker 62

No further items from executive session.

4:37:18Speaker 1

Madam clerk continue.

4:37:20 – 4:37:42Speaker 4

Mister chairman before we do that, I don't know if it's a point of order or what, but there was a decrim violation actually several in the first part of the meeting that commissioner Abdulrahman engaged in. And I hate to do it with her not being here to defend herself, but I don't want to lose the opportunity to report it if if it's required that I do it in the meeting in which it happened, I believe it is. Is that correct?

4:37:42Speaker 1

Yes. But what was the violation?

4:37:44 – 4:38:08Speaker 4

Okay. So several times, in fact, every time I believe commissioner Ivory was speaking, Commissioner Abdurakman was making a gesture with her hand. She was putting an L sign up in front of her face and in front of her forehead which is sort of universally known as the loser symbol. She did it repeatedly every time Commissioner Ivory spoke. It is on the video.

4:38:08 – 4:38:30Speaker 4

I have a screenshot of it and it violates section one zero one dash six eight under decorum number three. All commissioners and all staff shall treat each other and the public in a dignified, courteous, and respectful manner, value all opinions, be tolerant of others, and recognize that disrespectful behavior damages the perception of the county. So, that's that's the complaint.

4:38:30Speaker 1

Okay. I didn't see that. I've heard about that.

4:38:35Speaker 4

I saw it multiple times and like I said we have photos.

4:38:38 – 4:38:57Speaker 1

Let me review. Well, I'll be mindful of that. What I recall, I was told at the time that was that a commissioner was talking to her staff while you were speaking. Now, that happens more often than I'd like, but I'd ask her to stop and she stopped. So I'm gonna rule that there was

4:38:57Speaker 4

no But that's not what I'm referring to, sir.

4:38:58Speaker 1

I understand.

4:38:59Speaker 4

This was a different item.

4:39:00Speaker 1

I understand. I didn't see it, so I'm gonna rule there's no violation, but I'll be aware of that in the future.

4:39:05Speaker 3

I'd like to speak

4:39:06Speaker 1

Just a minute. Just a minute. Just Just minute. A

4:39:11Speaker 1

minute. I'm saying that there was no violation, but you have the right to overrule me.

4:39:18 – 4:39:58Speaker 3

With all due respect, Chairman, I would like to overrule you because not only is this something that happened several times in this meeting today, but it's a subject of which I have spoken to you about several times before. I have it recorded on my phone today when it was done. Here's the screenshot of it. She does it repeatedly at the end over there, join in laughter with others on the end and I have sat here over and over again in meetings and ignored it because it's such childish disrespectful behavior, but I have come to you about it in the Thank you for acknowledging that. And I'm coming, and today I didn't, I had it.

4:39:59 – 4:40:36Speaker 3

I was not even gonna say anything about it again because this is the last meeting of the year and I would like to go in peace. Even though the peace offering that I offered her today in my ornament, she trashed in the garbage along with the Christmas gift that was also given to her by Commissioner Barrett. It was in the garbage. But beside that, that was Commissioner Barrett noticed the infraction. My staff noted noticed the out of ordinance of it. Commissioner Arrington noticed it. So I'm asking you this time to please recognize this out of order gesture that continues over and over again in our meetings.

4:40:36 – 4:40:51Speaker 1

Alright. When this happens again, please point it out to me while it's happening. I'll take note of it. I made a motion that it was not from my perspective, but you have the right to overrule me and you are making a motion to overrule. Is that second? Alright. Properly moved and seconded.

4:40:51Speaker 15

Yeah. I still have a point of order. Her her point was that she did something with a l and you said because you didn't see it, you're gonna say it didn't happen.

4:41:01Speaker 4

Commissioner, I

4:41:01 – 4:41:33Speaker 15

Either it happened or it didn't. Motion. So you can't you saying it didn't happen, she just showed you the video of it. She just showed you a screenshot of it. So, you don't have the authority to say it didn't happen if somebody actually showed you a picture and showed you that it did happen. This is not something that you get to interpret. Either it happened or it didn't happen. See, this is what we have. We have a complete lack of leadership. A complete lack of leadership. Stand up to the I'm people's in the middle of my

4:41:34Speaker 15

I'm in the middle of my point order.

4:41:36Speaker 27

You're the line.

4:41:37Speaker 15

I'm yo. You are on

4:41:38 – 4:41:52Speaker 1

the line. You are Just Commissioner Arrington. Commissioner Arrington. Commissioner Arrington, please. I have ruled. There's a motion on the floor to o there's a motion on the floor to overrule my ruling. Let's vote, please.

4:41:56 – 4:42:11Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion fails three yeas one nay one abstention.

4:42:11Speaker 1

Continue madam clerk.

4:42:15 – 4:42:26Speaker 16

On page seven. Twenty five zero nine six five finance. Request approval of the fiscal year 2026 water and sewer budget.

4:42:30 – 4:42:42Speaker 1

Zero nine six five. Is there a motion? Is there a motion? Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Ivey. Please vote.

4:42:45 – 4:43:09Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Five yeas, zero nays. At the top of page seven, twenty five-nine 62, Information Technology, requests approval to utilize corporative purchasing for consulting services for telecom billing error detection and correction management.

4:43:09 – 4:43:20Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne seconded by I'll second. Commissioner Barrett, you have the floor.

4:43:20 – 4:44:02Speaker 4

Thank you, mister chairman. You know, While I appreciate the idea at the highest level that we're going to use a consultant who's going to save us X amount of dollars and they will take a portion of that savings where we still ultimately save. I get that. It's great. I just have to like I just have to say it's pretty appalling and this is not the fault of any of you but I just feel like I have to say that we're talking about I think what was the total they can make on this 300,000? Is that right? It's up to 300,000 on the

4:44:02Speaker 49

Yes. Believe we set a ceiling for up not to exceed 300.

4:44:05Speaker 4

Yes. So that's 38%. I think it math, what's that like 1,000,000 and

4:44:09Speaker 49

It's over 1,000,000. Yeah.

4:44:10 – 4:45:06Speaker 4

So we're basically saying that Comcast and AT and T are either billing us erroneously for over 1,000,000 and or our side is not catching bad billing for over 1,000,000 and we're gonna pay 300,000 to get that fixed. Seems to me this is a problem with the industry that this is because the way the reason I think this the reason this caught my attention, mister Kerrigan, is because in your description, I believe it was in the memo that you sent out, you said that this was a like a natural occurrence that these these anomalies like grow up over time as if it was mold or something. Like, this is this is like data. This is billing errors and it's to the tune of possibly a million dollars a year. We're sitting here griping over not being able to spend a couple 100,000 on this or that because we don't have any money and yet we're erroneously giving a million dollars to Comcast and AT and T.

4:45:06 – 4:45:35Speaker 4

I mean, again, not blaming you guys but I just think like as an individual when these things happen to us with our personal bills, there's not a lot we can do. We're one person. But we're a fairly good sized entity and if it's happening to us it's surely happening to Cobb County, Gwinnett County, Cobb County. Can we not file some kind of lawsuit or something? I mean it just seems really egregious that there's an entire industry of consultants built up to find the mistakes they make and that they're not ever held accountable.

4:45:35 – 4:45:58Speaker 4

We are paying the 38%. They should be paying the 38%, not us. I mean I'm going to approve it but I just think it needs to be said that this is an absolute terrible way for those companies to do business and we should not just accept it and pay 38%, dollars 300,000 because they're mis billing us. I mean it just seems atrocious and I felt like it had to be said.

4:45:59Speaker 1

Alright Commissioner Ivory.

4:46:02 – 4:46:53Speaker 3

Thank you Commissioner Barrett. I agree a 100% and you know The amount of money that we approve each meeting for IT sometimes blows my mind. 16,000,000, one meeting, 4,000,000 another meeting, 3,000,000 another meeting, 4,000,000. And then when I come in the office, I can't get on the internet. I mean, I literally like can't get on the internet in my office and that seems like something we we should fix but yet we're doing all these other things and I want a guarantee that the marshal is going to get a dedicated IT person for a 104,000 before I say, okay, to all of this money for AT and T consulting or whatever the consultant is when that that doesn't seem like the priority.

4:46:54 – 4:47:32Speaker 3

And again, I don't think that's anybody's fault. I know how like, I know with my own bills like I look and I go, why did I why am I being overbilled for that? It's important. And I think we have to do it, but we just have so many other things that seem to be of paramount importance first. And so, I know we can find a 104,000 for an IT dedicated person in the marshals office who serves warrants. That seems important. Before we move forward in approving millions more, know, hundreds of thousands of dollars or million dollars to figure out what we are saving or what we're not saving. I just I think our priorities are just a little bit skewed in this.

4:47:34Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne, you have the floor.

4:47:38Speaker 2

So if I understand this correctly, we hire this company. We don't pay anything up front. Correct?

4:47:44Speaker 42

That's correct.

4:47:45 – 4:48:01Speaker 2

As it says in Mhmm. The letter that he sent us. There's no upfront cost. Don't pay anything unless they find that we're being overbilled or there's mistakes being made. And then they take a percentage cut of whatever their findings are.

4:48:01 – 4:48:38Speaker 2

So it's no cost. It's actually trying to identify errors. It's almost paying for an audit of our system, which I think is wise and sound and financial. I mean, to your point, commissioner Barrett, it is sad that as large of a contract as we have that we might be overbilled, there might be rate errors or services we're being billed for that we're no longer using. Like, there's somewhere somewhere in the county, we're paying for phones and we totally dissolve that that group, but we don't even know because we haven't done an audit of our system.

4:48:38 – 4:49:06Speaker 2

So for me, I think this is a sound and wise investment. Yes. If they do identify a million dollars worth of errors, then we need to go back to Comcast and we need to go to AT and T and say, how is this happening? Why is this happening? So that we don't ever have to hire this company again. Or perhaps we hire them next year and they find no errors and they make $0. So for me, I think this is pretty good thing to do.

4:49:07Speaker 1

Vice Chair Ellis, you have the floor.

4:49:10Speaker 6

Yeah. I was just curious in sort of what triggered sort of the impetus for pursuing this.

4:49:17 – 4:49:56Speaker 49

Sure, Commissioner Ellis. So I will say that our team has been working with AT and T and Comcast and we've issued a number of disconnects for services that we're no longer using especially for the larger circuit costs for dated telecom services. I think that telecom bills for an enterprise of our size because of the moves, adds and changes, the analog lines that we have, those bills do get very complex and they get very long. And it's very tedious work for staff to call AT and T, walk through the disconnect process, make sure it returns on the bill. This is this would consume full time positions to do all of this just to look at these bills in the detail they should be looked at.

4:49:56 – 4:50:16Speaker 49

And this has accumulated over time. So we think we've done a very good job though of cleaning up a lot of this. So I would say the 300,000 is on the very high end. I think there's going be it's going to be a smaller payout for the work that would be done. And right, it would be only once those fees and services come off the bill, we see that and then that's when that percentage is paid out.

4:50:16 – 4:50:54Speaker 49

I say that I've brought this up in my role because I have worked at large enterprises where we saw and realized quite a bit of savings because the eyes were on other things, right? There's this fire, this focus, this project, the telecom bills are moving along. We have capital projects, we sunset line we sunset buildings, but the lines don't get cut off. There's no phone on the other end. They're going to make sure they call these numbers or wherever these circuits are, validate they're disabled, confirm that before we remove them. So it's it is a bit of a housecleaning effort, but I think it's worth this approach where it's only based on performance that we pursue this type of service.

4:50:54Speaker 6

So some of this stuff is not necessarily an overbilling. It may be something where we're paying for something we're not We're longer using.

4:51:03 – 4:51:35Speaker 6

So it's somewhat of a detection of those types of things. So I do think, you know, yeah a lot of this stuff is is frustrating but it's, you know, this happens in healthcare, this happens in legal billing, this happens in IT where, you know unfortunately they are the sort of cottage industries if you will of folks that this is the work that they do. But it is I think that's important to note. It's not just error detection. This is or overbilling. This is stuff where we just haven't turned off.

4:51:35Speaker 49

It's just validation. Right. A validation Okay. Of

4:51:39Speaker 6

you. One other thing too. And I guess we've had other it looks like there's some other local governments that have utilized this particular firm.

4:51:48Speaker 6

And we talked to them they've had some success too. Can you enumerate, I know Fulton County Schools, it was one or were there few others that you're aware of?

4:51:57Speaker 49

Jacksonville Duvall is the one we're piggybacking where they've done work and found substantial savings there.

4:52:02Speaker 6

Okay, all right. Thank you.

4:52:03Speaker 1

Alright. Other questions or comments? Motion on the floor is to approve. Let's hold.

4:52:08 – 4:52:30Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Five yeas, one nay. Twenty five zero nine six six request approval to utilize cooperative purchasing in the amount not to exceed $1,200,000 to provide support for IT services and operation.

4:52:31Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Barrett. Is there a second, seconded by commissioner Thorne? Madam Clerk.

4:52:39 – 4:53:01Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays. Twenty five zero nine six seven real estate and asset management requests approval of a statewide contract for facility maintenance solutions in the amount not to exceed $926,782.76.

4:53:01Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne seconded by commissioner Barrett. Please vote.

4:53:08 – 4:53:33Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yeas, zero nays. On page eight, twenty five zero nine six eight, request approval to increase spending authority for comprehensive operation and preventative maintenance services for the Fulton County Jail in amount not to exceed $1,020,923.21.

4:53:33Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Barrett, seconded by commissioner Thorne. Please vote.

4:53:38 – 4:54:00Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Five yeas, zero nays. Twenty five zero nine six nine, Human Resources Management requests approval to renew an existing contract for Family and Medical Leave Act administrative services in amount not to exceed $109,796.

4:54:00Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Ivory. Please vote.

4:54:05 – 4:54:28Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays. Twenty five nine seven zero County manager requests approval to utilize corporative purchasing in an amount not to exceed $1,404,000 provide recruitment services for detention officers for the Fulton County Sheriff's Office.

4:54:28 – 4:54:41Speaker 1

Alright. You have a motion to approve by commissioner Ivory, seconded by commissioner Thorne. Mister manager, would you explain what this is? Because a lot of misinformation about what we are doing and what we're not doing. What does this do?

4:54:50 – 4:55:52Speaker 42

this was, and Sue can help me if I get this wrong, but this firm Walls was recommended by the Monitor as a expert in recruitment. They have done recruiting and been very successful in Philadelphia. They will be taking the lead on identifying candidates, recruiting them and getting them to a point where the sheriff's office can do their vetting in terms of security background checks. We've gotten a very good report today that they've identified up to over a 110 candidates that have gone through the process that now are entering into that last stage of verification. So effectively, they are recruiting firm that we're paying as a part of our efforts in compliance with the consent order with a target to add a net 50 people per quarter, 200 per year to our detention officer ranks.

4:55:52Speaker 1

Alright. Thank you, mister manager.

4:55:54Speaker 1

Motion on the floor is to approve. Let's vote.

4:55:58 – 4:56:16Speaker 16

And vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yeas, zero nays. Twenty five zero nine seven one purchasing and contract compliance requests approval to modify the 2025 annual hardware and software maintenance and support list.

4:56:17Speaker 1

Alright. Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett. Please hold.

4:56:22 – 4:56:50Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Five yeas zero nays. Under arts and libraries twenty five zero nine seven two request approval of MOU in the amount of $227,116 for fiscal year twenty twenty six between the University of Georgia Cooperative Extension and the Fulton County Board of Commissioners to continue to provide research based education.

4:56:50Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Ivory.

4:56:57 – 4:57:20Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays. Twenty five zero seven zero nine seven three requests approval of a recommended proposal for shelf ready books, lease books for Fulton County Library System in amount not to exceed $800,000.

4:57:20Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Ivory, seconded by commissioner Thorne.

4:57:25 – 4:57:50Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes, six yeas, zero nays. Under health and human services, twenty five zero nine seven four, behavior health and developmental disabilities, request approval of a recommended proposal for opioid abatement settlement in the total amount not to exceed $644,002.

4:57:50 – 4:58:01Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Ivory, seconded by commissioner Thorne. Madam CFO, this is an allowable use for those funds, these purposes.

4:58:02Speaker 47

It is, but I'll let doctor Rochelle add the color around it.

4:58:06 – 4:58:32Speaker 41

Thank you, Sharon. So these funds are separate and apart from the funds that the county receives directly from manufacturers and distributors from the opioid settlement. This is a an allotment from the state of Georgia for 644,000 that we are required to make available to organizations in the community through an RFP process.

4:58:32Speaker 1

Thank you. Alright. Motion to approve by commissioner Ivory, seconded by commissioner Thorne.

4:58:39 – 4:59:00Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yays, zero nays. Twenty five zero nine seven five public works request approval of the lowest responsible bidder for sewer system cleaning and manhole camera inspection services in amount not to exceed $550,000.

4:59:00Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett.

4:59:05 – 4:59:28Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes five yeas zero nays. Twenty five zero nine seven six requests approval of lowest responsible bidder in an amount not to exceed $245,000 to provide chemicals for drinking water and treated wastewater analysis.

4:59:28Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett.

4:59:33 – 4:59:57Speaker 16

Vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yays, zero nays. Twenty five zero nine seven seven, request approval to increase the spending authority in an amount not to exceed $3,677,254.20 with our operation and maintenance services for the Camp Creek Water Reclamation facility

4:59:58Speaker 1

Alright. You have a motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett.

5:00:04 – 5:00:31Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays on page ten twenty five zero nine seven eight request approval of a recommended proposal for progressive design bill for Boat Rock Road sanitary sewer extensions phase one in an amount not to exceed $637,000.

5:00:32Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Arrington, seconded by commissioner Thorne.

5:00:39 – 5:01:07Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays. Twenty five zero nine seven nine request approval to amend an existing contract to the progressive design bill for Johns Creek environmental campus membrane system replacement in an amount not to exceed $3,816,902.75.

5:01:07Speaker 1

We have a motion to approve by commissioner Thorne. I need a second. Seconded by commissioner Barrett.

5:01:16 – 5:01:36Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six shays, zero nays. Twenty five zero nine eight zero requests approval to renew existing contracts in the amount of $2,000,000 to provide standby engineering services.

5:01:42Speaker 1

Motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

5:01:47 – 5:02:16Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes five yeas zero nays twenty five zero nine eight one request approval to extend an existing contract for operation and maintenance services for wastewater facilities and pump stations in the North Fulton service area in an amount not to exceed $5,641,222.93.

5:02:17Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett. Please vote.

5:02:22 – 5:02:50Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yeas, zero nays. On page eleven, twenty five zero nine eight two requests approval to increase the spending authority for operation and maintenance services for the wastewater facilities and pump stations in the North Fulton service area in amount not to exceed $1,995,238.07.

5:02:50Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett.

5:02:55 – 5:03:20Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes five yeas zero nays. Twenty five zero nine eight four senior services request approval to extend an existing contract for food services management in an amount not to exceed 202,874 and 77¢.

5:03:20Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Barrett, seconded by commissioner Arrington.

5:03:26 – 5:03:59Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays. Under infrastructure and economic development twenty five zero nine eight five public works as amended. Requests approval and execution of a second memorandum of understanding between Fulton County and the city of South Fulton for the receipt and transfer of transportation special purpose local option sales tax.

5:04:00Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Barrett, seconded by commissioner Arrington.

5:04:06 – 5:04:36Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yeas, zero days. On page twelve, twenty five zero nine eight six, Superior Court Administration requests approval to renew an existing contract for electronic pretrial monitoring services in an amount not to exceed $2,200,000.

5:04:36Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Thorne, seconded by commissioner Barrett.

5:04:42Speaker 16

And the vote is open.

5:04:44Speaker 1

Yes, sir. Vice chair Ellis.

5:04:47 – 5:05:02Speaker 6

Do we have an estimate for costs we'll incur this year for this contract? Or what we spent today?

5:05:02Speaker 47

I have to look it up.

5:05:05Speaker 47

give me just a

5:05:06Speaker 6

That's fine. You can get it to me later. That's fine. No. I don't need it right now.

5:05:14Speaker 1

Okay. Alright. The motion on the floor is to approve. Please vote.

5:05:17 – 5:05:44Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes six yeas zero nays. Item moved up on today's agenda on page thirteen twenty five zero nine eight nine emergency management requests approval to amend an existing contract for animal services with lifeline animal project inc.

5:05:45Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Arrington seconded by commissioner Barrett.

5:05:52 – 5:06:17Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Five yeas, zero nays. Back on page twelve, twenty five zero nine eight seven, request approval to renew an existing contract for animal services in an amount not to exceed $7,440,000.

5:06:19Speaker 1

Have a motion to approve by commissioner Barrett, seconded by commissioner Thorne.

5:06:26 – 5:06:55Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes five yeas, one nay. Twenty five zero nine eight eight, request approval of an IGA between the city of South Fulton and Fulton County by which the city and county would agree to fire protection emergency medical response within specific boundaries of the unincorporated portion of Fulton County.

5:06:55Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Arrington, seconded by commissioner Thorne.

5:07:02 – 5:07:39Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yays, zero nays. On page 13, commissioners action items twenty five zero eight nine two request approval resolution directing the county manager to include on an annual basis funding in an amount not to exceed $1,000,000 for the Fulton County Veterans Community Services grant program to support services and programs for veterans residing in Fulton County and for other purposes sponsored by commissioners Arrington, Barrett and Ivory.

5:07:39Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Ivory, seconded by commissioner Arrington.

5:07:47 – 5:08:19Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion fails. Three yeas, one nay, two abstentions. Twenty five zero nine eight five requests approval resolution of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners amending policies limiting the use of Fulton County staff for certain events by members of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners and for other purposes sponsored by vice chair Ellis and commissioner Thorne.

5:08:20 – 5:08:41Speaker 1

Alright. Motion to approve by Commissioner Ellis. Is there a second? Seconded by Commissioner Thorne. This item was requested to be there were certain amendments made at the last meeting. They were requested to be put in writing. It's my understanding that that's what happened. That is correct. Alright. Motion to approve.

5:08:43 – 5:09:17Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion fails, three ayes, three nays. Twenty five zero nine three five, request approval or resolution to affirm the reproductive rights of human right our human rights to condemn the criminalization of abortion and related services, to urge the Georgia state legislature to repeal the six week abortion ban that endangers lives and for other purposes sponsored by commissioner Barrett.

5:09:17Speaker 1

Excuse me. Motion to approve by commissioner Barrett, seconded by commissioner Ivory. Commissioner Barrett, have the floor.

5:09:23 – 5:09:46Speaker 4

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I brought this agenda item back again today because not to be dramatic, but women in Georgia are dying. And in fact, the mother of Amber Thurman was trying to make public comment earlier today on Zoom. Her name was called.

5:09:46 – 5:10:22Speaker 4

She tried to unmute and she was not able to speak. To that end, she has made a video of her comments and the AV booth has it. With your permission, I would like to show that comment. If you would. Are they working on it? What's happening?

5:10:33Speaker 1

Alright. And come back to it.

5:10:35 – 5:11:13Speaker 4

Can we get some indication? No. You can't show it. You can't show it? Okay. Alright. Okay. Well, I'm gonna read it to you. And I will will share the video around to my colleagues following this meeting. This is what she said. Good morning commissioners. My name is Jeanette Williams. I am the mother of Amber Nicole Thurman. The resolutions before you today matter because they acknowledge the harm women and families are already experiencing in our health care system. My daughter died a preventable death after she was not able to receive timely medical care.

5:11:13 – 5:11:34Speaker 4

I grieve her every day, and I'm here because no other family should have to experience this kind of loss. I want to thank commissioners Barrett, Ivory, and Arrington for standing up for women and recognizing the urgency of this moment. Your leadership matters. This is not about politics. It's about whether women in Fulton County can get care when their lives are at risk.

5:11:35 – 5:12:08Speaker 4

These resolutions will not overturn Georgia law, but they do matter. Affirming reproductive rights as human rights acknowledges women's dignity and autonomy. The Women's Commission creates a nonpartisan space to study and advise this board on the real issues women face, including maternal mortality, health care access, and safety. Healthy Women Healthy Families grant program recognizes what so many community organizations already know that supporting women's health requires real investment. What happened to my daughter was not inevitable.

5:12:08 – 5:12:37Speaker 4

It was the result of delay, fear, and a system that failed her. We are one vote away from doing the right thing. I believe all of you should be supporting these measures. Women's lives are already on the line. We need our elected officials on our side in this fight, otherwise nothing is going to get better. I urge all of the Fulton County commissioners to vote in favor of these resolutions. Thank you. I'm sure it would have been more impactful coming from her, but but there it is.

5:12:37Speaker 1

All right. We're on eight ninety five.

5:12:40 – 5:13:29Speaker 4

We're on 09:35. 09:30 I'll just continue with my comments now to say that what Shanette Williams didn't say about her daughter's story is that Amber Thurman suffered for twenty hours in the hospital because doctors were afraid to perform a routine procedure for a rare complication that she suffered from taking abortion medication, is completely legal. Amber left behind a six year old son. I brought this item back today because women are afraid to start families in Georgia as one of our public commenters this morning indicated. They're afraid that if they miscarry and need treatment, that they will be prosecuted or will die.

5:13:30 – 5:14:05Speaker 4

I brought this back because the women of Fulton County deserve elected leaders that will fight for their rights. Everyone, everywhere has the right to privacy, the right to health care, and the right to decide what to do with their own bodies. Mister chairman, I appreciate, your idea of adding the repeal of Georgia's abortion ban to our state legislative agenda. So, you should have all received an updated version of, my resolution, which now includes that as a part of the resolution. So, I appreciate that suggestion.

5:14:05 – 5:14:38Speaker 4

It makes the resolution, this resolution even stronger. At the end of the day, none of us should be okay living in a state that strips women of their human rights. We should not be comfortable living in a state where women and doctors could find themselves in handcuffs or in jail for seeking or providing care. We should speak loudly and plainly and be abundantly clear. Georgia has banned abortion and women are dying.

5:14:43Speaker 1

Commissioner Ivory.

5:14:45 – 5:15:29Speaker 3

Thank you, mister chairman, and thank you commissioner Barrett for your strong words for reading into the record what the mother of Amber Thurman had to say about this tragic event. I spoke in detail last meeting and I still remain fully supportive of your resolution. This decision should be between a person and their doctor only. Two women in Fulton County have lost their lives. This ban puts lives at risk. Just last month, we passed a resolution that I brought forward addressing maternal and infant mortality, particularly the staggering rates among black women in our county. These stories are tragic examples of why the focus is so critical and I remain supportive of this resolution.

5:15:29Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne?

5:15:34 – 5:16:12Speaker 2

Yes. Last week at our last discussion of this item, I was repeatedly ruled out of order while trying to address the wording of the resolution itself, which was directly related to the directly related. So, I felt like I was being trying to be silenced by trying to prevent another side. There are two sides of this coin. This is a very divisive issue, as everybody knows, and it comes up every campaign season, not surprising, because for a lot of voters, this is a single issue on both sides of the aisle.

5:16:12 – 5:16:38Speaker 2

It's a single issue whether you think abortion should be illegal. My daughter gave birth to my first grandchild Monday night. What an amazing event that was. How special was that to see the life come into this world, a new life? How special was it to be at the hospital and to go and look at all the other babies in the nursery last night as I walked around?

5:16:39 – 5:17:16Speaker 2

It was a special night. And to think in some states, there's no limit on when you can get an abortion. You can get an abortion right before the birth of the child. I do understand that some women, the six week abortion bill is just too soon. You probably don't know you're pregnant. So when is too soon? When is too late? I'd love to have that discussion. I don't want it to be an all or everything that you can have abortion right up to the point of birth. And even in some states, there is talks of after birth.

5:17:18 – 5:17:52Speaker 2

When do you protect the baby? When do you protect the mother? I'd love to have conversation, but simply, what I was trying to point out last night, I just kind of disagreed with the wording line 15, line 16, line 17 about Amber Thurman and Candy and their unfortunate deaths that they had. But it wasn't because of the law directly, it was because they had a symptom of taking the abortion pill. It's truly, truly rare, I assume.

5:17:52 – 5:18:24Speaker 2

It's not often. Keisha Atkins also died from taking the abortion pill. You take the pill, you don't expel the baby, some of the baby's left remaining inside you, and you develop sepsis. Now the fact that the doctors didn't detect it, didn't want to treat it, that's that's something a medical issue that's informing medical doctors. It also mentions the woman who was forced to carry a nonviable pregnancy to term.

5:18:25 – 5:19:12Speaker 2

We have on record, our attorney general went on record saying that the law wasn't in in effect for that, that they could take the woman off life support. That was a ruling by our attorney general concerning the law to bring clarification for future cases or instances of that. I don't know how many people have been prosecuted. We mentioned three people that had issues with the bill that's been in effect for more than three years. I feel that we do need this discussion but do we need it at our level?

5:19:12 – 5:19:36Speaker 2

It's kinda like we we wanna urge that we wanna take a position on this. Why? Why now? Why not? Three years ago when the bill came out, it's all about dividing. It's all about dividing us. Who's in the club? Who's not in the club? Who's gonna get the vote? Who's gonna get the other vote?

5:19:37 – 5:20:03Speaker 2

Honestly, I think it's inappropriate that we bring this up. I did speak with commissioner Barrett. I really do appreciate her passion that she has. You say the abortion ban discriminates against harms patients who are black, younger and in lower socioeconomic status groups. Well, if you Google abortions, they seem to be readily available in Atlanta and South.

5:20:04 – 5:20:35Speaker 2

If you live up in North, you have to go to Cobb or Gwinnett. Those are probably the easiest places to get an abortion. So I just looked it up. In 2022, there was a study that forty percent of black babies are aborted. So you have to look at data, you have to look at all sides of data. I'm happy to have a debate on it. But I just can't support a bill that I think is misleading.

5:20:36Speaker 1

Commissioner Barrett? I'm sorry. Do you wanna say something?

5:20:39Speaker 4

Mister chairman, I just want to let you know we had a technical issue. The video can now be played, if that's okay with you.

5:20:46Speaker 1

Well, we've already dealt with that issue. Thank you. Go ahead.

5:20:50 – 5:21:16Speaker 4

Oh, I would love to see it, but okay. Look, at the end of the day, I'm not going to start debating individual medical cases. I'm only going to say this, there are countless women who are not going to the doctor for fear of being prosecuted. We will never know their names nor be able to count their cases. There are doctors who are getting out of the OBGYN business because of these laws, meaning less doctors available to give care for all women's reproductive issues.

5:21:17 – 5:22:25Speaker 4

These are facts. And the reason this accusation that this only comes up in campaign season is nonsensical. It comes up all the time and it has been coming up since before Dobbs and after Dobbs. And I'm going to say this, the timing of this particular piece of legislation was not around a campaign, it was around International Human Rights Day and it was done in concert with local leaders around the country who introduced similar legislation with similar language aligned with a federal bill put up by congresswoman Nakima Williams and signed on to by a 114 total members of the US Congress from all over the country, 32 states plus DC, 68 women signed on to congress people, 46 men. Cities like Austin, Texas, Philadelphia, Baltimore, counties in North Carolina and Maryland, these are bills that were put up all across the country as a concerted effort for state and local and federal elect elected leaders to stand up for women's human rights.

5:22:25 – 5:22:36Speaker 4

It that was why the timing was now, not because anybody's running for reelection. So that is just a false claim. I just wanted to make sure everybody understood that.

5:22:36Speaker 1

Commissioner Arrington?

5:22:40Speaker 15

Yes. We're still on this matter so I would love to see the video Jessica. Please play it.

5:22:46Speaker 1

Just a minute. Let's finish this.

5:22:49Speaker 15

This the same matter.

5:22:52Speaker 1

Just a minute. Let's is just play as we get get get beyond this. We will talk about this later.

5:23:00Speaker 15

Yeah. This this this is my time and I want the video shown. This is my time. I'm in the queue. We I have the floor. I have the floor. Please show me the detail. I have the floor, sir.

5:23:10Speaker 1

Mister Arrington.

5:23:11Speaker 15

I have the floor, sir.

5:23:12Speaker 1

Mister Arrington. I have the floor. Mister Arrington.

5:23:14Speaker 15

We're watching a video. Mister You don't need to say anything to me.

5:23:17Speaker 1

Commissioner Arrington.

5:23:18Speaker 15

Don't need to say anything to me. Watch the video.

5:23:20Speaker 1

Commissioner Arrington.

5:23:20Speaker 15

Listen to the lady.

5:23:21Speaker 1

Commissioner Arrington.

5:23:24Speaker 1

this lady. Commissioner Arrington.

5:23:26Speaker 15

Listen to the lady. Commissioner Arrington. Listen to the lady. You're out of order. Listen to the lady.

5:23:31Speaker 1

You're out of order.

5:23:32Speaker 1

to allow. I told

5:23:33Speaker 15

Listen to the lady.

5:23:34 – 5:23:48Speaker 1

Told commissioner Barrett that we would play it because this this this this should have been played during public comment. There was a problem with it so I agreed to hear it right now although public comment is gone. So this is a favor that

5:23:47Speaker 1

asked me to let her to lunch. Now we've already voted on this, but we'll re let it come into the record if there are no objections.

5:23:53Speaker 15

It hasn't been voted on. Hasn't been voted on. A minute. Just a minute. It has not been voted

5:23:58Speaker 1

Just a minute. Play it please if it's ready.

5:24:03 – 5:24:38Speaker 43

Amber Nicole Thurman. The resolutions before you today matter because they acknowledge the harm women and families are already experiencing in our health care systems. My daughter died of a preventable death after she was not able to receive timely medical care. I grieve her every day, and I am here because no other family should ex have to experience this kind of loss. I want to thank commissioners Barrett, Ivory, and Arrington for standing up for women and recognizing the urgency of this moment.

5:24:39 – 5:25:04Speaker 43

Your leadership matters. This is not about politics. It is about whether women in Fulton County can get care when their lives are at risk. These resolutions may not overturn the laws here in Georgia, but they do matter. Affirming reproductive rights as human rights acknowledges women's dignity and autonomy.

5:25:04 – 5:25:45Speaker 43

The women's commission creates a nonpartisan space to study and advise this board on the real issues women face, including maternal mortality, health care access, and safety. The Healthy Women's Healthy Families grant program recognizes what so many community organizations already know, that supporting women's health requires real investment. What happened to my daughter was in was not inevitable. It was the result of delay, fear, and a system that absolutely failed her. We are one vote away from doing the right thing.

5:25:45 – 5:26:04Speaker 43

I believe all of you should be supporting these measures. Women's lives are already at risk. We need our elected officials on our side in this fight. Otherwise, nothing is going to get better. I urge all of the Fulton County commissioners to vote in favor of these resolutions. Thank you.

5:26:05Speaker 15

I motion Sir, you never have to speak to me again. I'm ignore you until May.

5:26:10Speaker 1

Motion on the floor is to approve. Let's vote.

5:26:17 – 5:26:31Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion fails, three yeas, one nay, one abstention.

5:26:32 – 5:26:56Speaker 16

Twenty five zero three nine six three zero nine three six request approval resolution to establish a Fulton County's women's commission to advise the board of commissioners on policies strategies and community partnerships that advance gender equity and address the systemic barriers impacting women and for other purposes. Sponsored by commissioner Barrett.

5:26:56Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Barrett, seconded by commissioner Arrington. Commissioner Barrett, have the floor.

5:27:02 – 5:27:20Speaker 4

Thank you, mister chairman. I wanna be very clear that a abstention or not voting is a no. So if you are not voting or you are abstaining on any issue that comes before us, you are effectively voting no. Yes. I'm moving on and this is relevant.

5:27:21 – 5:27:57Speaker 4

Thank you. I wanna start by congratulating DeKalb County and the DeKalb County Board of Commissioners who passed their own women's commission at their board meeting yesterday. They are the first county in Georgia to establish a women's commission and they join over a 160 women's commissions in cities, counties, and states across the country including the city of Atlanta and the state of Georgia. There is nothing partisan or controversial about having a women's commission, and frankly, we're way behind in establishing one. The state founded theirs in 1992, and the city of Atlanta established theirs in 2000.

5:27:58 – 5:28:19Speaker 4

I should not have to beg and plead for a women's commission in Fulton County. This board is majority women. This county is majority women. A commission gives the women in our community an opportunity to shape our policies and priorities in a transparent, formal, and official way. Let's give them the opportunity to be heard.

5:28:20Speaker 1

Krista Ivory.

5:28:22 – 5:28:47Speaker 3

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Agreed on the first point and its stain is a no stain which means no. And that's effectively how it works. And I want to say that I am income I feel very proud too of the DeKalb County Commission for standing up for what their constituents actually want and represent.

5:28:47 – 5:29:29Speaker 3

We don't have that here. The idea that Fulton County is made up of a majority of women that are dealing with democratic women with very clear principles, clear thoughts, clear issues that mean something to them, but yet this commission can't stand by them and do the things that are right for them. We saw that in the last vote. We'll see it again on this one. We'll see it again in a couple that continue to happen on this agenda. The idea to say no to a group of women that want to gather, I can't even understand that. We want to gather. No. Republicans don't believe in women gathering. Men don't believe in women gathering.

5:29:29 – 5:29:42Speaker 3

We wanna gather and discuss the issues that are important to us. And so I support this and I I just can't understand how anybody couldn't. Men, women, Democrats, Republicans, whatever else is up here. Let's just let women gather.

5:29:45Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne, you have the floor.

5:29:49 – 5:30:24Speaker 2

I have no problem with women gathering. But gathering with a purpose, gathering with a reason, gathering with proper guidance. We have a Fulton County Health Department, a public health department that deals with women's issues and is funded by the state, not the tax payers. I would totally sign on if we went to the health department and asked, can we get a women's commission together that you're in charge of? Because they see the women, they treat the women, they come to our public health centers.

5:30:25 – 5:30:51Speaker 2

There was no calls with our health department, they weren't included in this conversation. We called we called and had a conversation today with our Fulton County Health Department. He did say there is high mortality rates in pregnant women. I would love to see that area focused on targeting. Why is there high mortality in in the entire state of Georgia?

5:30:52Speaker 3

Lack of care.

5:30:54 – 5:31:36Speaker 2

Excuse me. I'm I'm speaking. Fulton County received a failing grade for preterm birth rate. It's the highest in the Metro Atlanta I would like to see prenatal care take a focus. This could be a very beneficial thing to have, but it needs it's not being run properly. It was created by a commissioner and her staff to kinda like, hey, I'm for women. I'm for healthy families. And if you don't vote for it, you're not. We need to work with our county health department. You need we need to have regular conversations. Call them.

5:31:36Speaker 4

Point of order, mister chairman.

5:31:37Speaker 1

What's your point of order?

5:31:38Speaker 4

She's not talking about the correct item.

5:31:40Speaker 1

Alright. We're on zero nine three six commission

5:31:43Speaker 2

If we're forming a Fulton County's women's commission, it should be in cooperation with the Fulton County health Department who deals with that.

5:31:49Speaker 1

Go ahead. Continue.

5:31:50Speaker 2

That's what I'm saying.

5:31:51Speaker 12

Continue. Continue.

5:31:52Speaker 2

If you wanna interrupt me, if you don't want me to make my Continue. Point again

5:31:56Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne, you have the floor.

5:31:57 – 5:32:31Speaker 2

We have a new head of that department. I suggest if you're so concerned about women and women's health issues and health issues across the county, why aren't we going to the very people that are responsible for public health in Fulton County? It's mind boggling to me. We just wanna write a resolution and then boom we'll get to get each one of us will appoint two people to a board and we'll just have them go out and just kinda decide on their own what they feel like, what NGOs need some money. This group here, they could use it.

5:32:31 – 5:32:57Speaker 2

They have a lot of work here. These NGOs here. No. I I want purpose and I want our Fulton County Health Department who are experts in dealing with the people in Fulton County dealing and running this women's commission. If you would like, Commissioner Barrett, I would be happy to meet with you with the Fulton County Health Department.

5:32:57 – 5:33:19Speaker 2

I would be happy to see if there's some kind of compromise, have discussions on what areas could be addressed. I think that prenatal care, the high mortality rate, a preterm birth rate, I think those are very crucial issues that need to be looked at in Fulton County. And I'll plan on having that discussions on my own. Commissioner Barrett, I'd love if you would come with me.

5:33:19Speaker 1

Vice chair, I'll let you have the floor.

5:33:23 – 5:34:04Speaker 6

Thanks, mister chair. First off, I wanna say that this county government more than any county government in the state has focused on the issue of health. We've done it with our actions, we've done it with our funding, and we've done that with intentionality. Now candidly from a public policy standpoint, I'm not a big fan of commissions and task force being a means to get things effectively done generally at all. We're going have another one come up we're going to talk about.

5:34:05 – 5:35:26Speaker 6

We don't have a good they don't have a good track record of generating that. What does have a good track record is when we collectively had worked together as government working, studying issues, identifying gaps, going about that in a very tactical, methodical, studied way with the folks in those industries, in those spaces and then going about developing actionable plans. We're going to have an item that's going to come up that I think is going to make a significant difference in the health of women and families and Fulton County residents with the beachhead that's going to become the base for a hospital in South Fulton. I think we talked about this and I thought we were on a pathway of doing this when we had this discussion a couple of meetings ago of working with Grady and the Board of Health, utilizing our resources on staff, Doctor. Rochelle who's been really great in terms of helping us to study these issues and take some real practical measures, looking at the things that we've done in terms of where we were with our Board of Health in areas like behavioral health seven, eight, nine years ago and where we are today.

5:35:27 – 5:36:06Speaker 6

And I don't think this is a way to advance the ball and have a meaningful impact. And that's why I'm not going to be supporting either of those. But instead, I'm going to be focusing on working with our staff, working with our partners like Grady and the Board of Health and identifying the places where we can make a very noticeable and material impact and be effective and move the needle. So we have a difference of opinion about the way you go about doing this from a public policy standpoint. And that's why I'm not going to be supporting this item or the next item.

5:36:08 – 5:36:46Speaker 6

And I won't be voting on for either of these abortion bans either of those things. And number one, I don't feel like that's our role as county commissioners to weigh in on this, number one. And number two, I have different views about abortion than some of the folks up here. And those are informed by, you know, different personal issues in my own life. So, I recognize that it's very challenging issue and people have a lot of strong points on and strong beliefs around.

5:36:47 – 5:37:05Speaker 6

But I'm not gonna be supportive. I wasn't supportive of the prior measure and I'm not supportive of these two measures for different reasons. Two being for public policy arguments and the other being for personal views and personal beliefs. Alright, Commissioner Barrett.

5:37:06 – 5:37:34Speaker 4

I'm just not sure why you all have turned this into a measure that has anything to do or only to do with health. This is not a measure that has only to do with health. This is a women's commission to deal with all of the inequities that women still face, be it the gender pay gap. Women still make 88¢ on the dollar compared to men. Does the Board of Health deal with a gender pay gap?

5:37:35 – 5:38:00Speaker 4

I don't think so. This is also a measure about women not being represented in the c suite, in boardrooms, in elected office. There are a bunch of things that a women's commission can take up that have nothing to do with health but have to do with inequalities that women face in this country full stop. They can take up issues of health if they deem those to be the most important things to talk about. The people that we put on those boards.

5:38:00 – 5:38:38Speaker 4

If a majority of the people that we put on those boards don't want to discuss reproductive care, they won't. If they want to discuss the gender pay gap, they will. And to say that these don't work or don't function properly or we don't know how to operate them is nonsensical. It's a national standard. There is a national organization of women's commissions with practices and policies and bylaws that help the commission form. These are working all across the country. It is nonpartisan. It is not tied to abortion. It is a women's commission. And the fact that you all cannot seem to separate these things is not because I didn't write them separately.

5:38:38 – 5:39:19Speaker 4

They are not one big piece of legislation together. They are three separate resolutions. This one is straight up a women's commission, not for health, not for reproductive rights, not for anything other than women to convene and help advise on policy and strategy and spending priority for the Board of Commissioners. We have what I don't know over 40 different commissions, authorities, and task forces for all kinds of groups. We should have this for women. It's that simple. These arguments that are being made about health are completely irrelevant to this. That is the next item and we can talk about that when we get to the next item.

5:39:21Speaker 1

Anything else? I thought

5:39:25Speaker 2

when I spoke yesterday or less yesterday, two weeks ago that the million dollar funding would be given to this women's commission to decide how to divide it up.

5:39:37 – 5:40:16Speaker 4

This item can be approved completely on its own without any of the other two. If we decided to also approve a Healthy Women Healthy Families grant program, it was suggested that this would be the obvious board to review the grant applicants in the same way that the Arts Council reviews the applicants for those grants and to vote as people that we put on the board equal opinions of all of the seven of us that that would be the appropriate body to approve the grants recommended by the grant committee. So that's all that that's the only connection between the two and it's not it's only if the grant program were to get approved.

5:40:16Speaker 2

And that's all related to health. So that's kind of But where

5:40:19Speaker 4

that's not in this item.

5:40:20Speaker 2

Know it's not in this bill but the million dollars is tied to this group. This group would be given

5:40:26Speaker 1

Just a minute. She has a four, please.

5:40:28 – 5:40:41Speaker 2

You said that if the million dollar grant passed, this would be the obvious place to give them the million dollars to decide how to spend. So there is a relationship between the two.

5:40:43Speaker 1

Do you want to respond?

5:40:44 – 5:41:23Speaker 4

Yes. The formation of this women's commission does not include anything to do with approving grants. The grant program, however, recommends that the women's commission should it exist would be the appropriate place for the decisions to get made. This does not include any language about a grant program. It is solely a women's commission. We can approve this as a standalone women's commission. There could be there is no money tied to it. The money is in a different resolution. It is a different piece of I I could have introduced these six months apart. They're not connected through this resolution. It's the grant program that needs a committee to decide and this would be an obvious place if it exists. That's it.

5:41:25Speaker 1

Anything else? Alright. I'll say one more. Yes. Commissioner Ivory?

5:41:29Speaker 3

Thank you, mister chairman. And commissioner Thorne, we'd love for you to be on the women's commission. You qualify. You're a woman.

5:41:35 – 5:42:16Speaker 1

Okay. So I'll state again. It was mentioned the 2,000 legislation that was passed at the city of Atlanta for women's commission. That was my legislation. So I don't have to apologize for that. Number two, I sit on the our board of health and we cover a lot of these issues. And lastly, any commissioner can set up a commission anytime he or she chooses. The most successful one that I've known of since I've been here was one that I set up regarding the elections which made recommendations to the board of registration and elections and every recommendation was adopted by that board. So let's vote please. The motion on the floor is to approve.

5:42:17 – 5:42:28Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion fails, three yeas, two nays.

5:42:30 – 5:42:51Speaker 16

Five-nine 37 requests approval resolution to establish a healthy women, healthy families grant program in Fulton County to provide $1,000,000 in annual funding for the grant program to fund organizations focused on improving women's health outcomes and ensuring access to quality care and for other purposes sponsored by commissioner Barrett.

5:42:52Speaker 1

Motion to approve by commissioner Barrett, seconded by commissioner Arrington. Commissioner Barrett, you have the floor.

5:43:01 – 5:43:45Speaker 4

When women get sick, families suffer. When they can't go to work, they can't put food on the table. When they can't afford treatment or treatment isn't available, they leave behind families who struggle. This resolution creates a $1,000,000 Healthy Women, Healthy Families grant program to fund nonprofit organizations that are focused on everything from women's cancers, like breast cancer, which I am a survivor of, and ovarian cancer, to heart disease, which is the leading cause of death for women in Georgia. It covers domestic violence, and yes, it could also cover reproductive and maternal health should those grantees or should whatever board selects the winners of the grant approve such an application.

5:43:47 – 5:44:09Speaker 4

The cost to fund this program equates to 88¢ per resident. We have a general fund budget of over $1,000,000,000. We have $80,000,000 in a category called other, and we regularly have budget under runs in the tens of millions. We can afford 1,000,000 to keep women healthy.

5:44:11Speaker 1

Other comments? Motion on the floor is to approve. I'm sorry. Commissioner Thorne?

5:44:16 – 5:44:44Speaker 2

Sorry. Yes. I disagree that we can't afford to put a million dollars. I really appreciate if we had a program that we had a proven track record that we knew that the money was gonna be spent wisely. Again, I think it's important that we work with our public health department because this is a health issue, a million dollars going towards health issues.

5:44:45 – 5:45:11Speaker 2

At least have a conversation with them. And 88¢ per resident, it's just, it's not free. It might sound nominal, but these 88¢ add up till pretty soon we're gonna be spending a 15% increase in the millage rate. So with that being said, I can't support it. I know there was a public comment saying that it's free.

5:45:12 – 5:45:58Speaker 2

This is definitely not free. Commissioner Barrett cleared that up for me on our break. So I just can't support spending money right now when we're looking at trying to maintain our millage rate, trying to limit our spending, trying to cut back in areas why we would start a new program that will go on a million dollars and a million dollars to, yes, some abortion access. And Commissioner Barrett advocated for ARC Southeast. I don't know if you still advocate for programs like that, giving them a $300,000 donation in the past, which is a group that I could not support in any way, shape or form.

5:45:58 – 5:46:12Speaker 2

They are politically active. They're not just an abortion access group. They appear to be a stop cop city group as well as a pro Palestinian group. So, with that being said, no, I can't support this.

5:46:12Speaker 1

Alright. Commissioner Barrett?

5:46:14 – 5:46:45Speaker 4

Okay. This resolution has nothing to do with ARC Southeast so I'm not even gonna entertain that. The idea that we provide some health services, great health services through our board of health is lovely and wonderful and it's not enough because women's health in Fulton County is still not improving. We have the worst maternal mortality rates in the country in Georgia. We have disastrous numbers here in how women are receiving healthcare.

5:46:45 – 5:47:20Speaker 4

Do we do we not want to stand up clinics that provide mammograms because the Board of Health also does mammograms? It's a ridiculous thing to say that we have this one organization, the Board of Health and therefore we should do nothing else to help women's health or anybody else's health. Should we just forget the freestanding emergency room because we have a board of health? Should we just not bother with behavioral health clinics because we have a board of health? No. We work on healthcare across the board and there are lots of different ways to do it. This is not only the Board of Health. This is the Board of Health is amazing. Yes and. What else can we do?

5:47:20 – 5:47:34Speaker 4

This is $1,000,000. It's not a big lift. We can absolutely afford it and women in this moment in time when nonprofit funding is going away from all kinds of arenas, we should be standing in the gap.

5:47:36Speaker 1

Commissioner Ivory.

5:47:37 – 5:48:09Speaker 3

Thanks, mister chairman. Commissioner Barrett, thank you for trying. And, I tried right along with you. Three things in a row are going to get a no vote that all focus on women's health. And, it's not this board, this board at this time in history is not ready to stand up for women. And, that's what it says. There's nothing more to really discuss. We can keep on going in the queue. It's not going to pass. It's been the the words have been said.

5:48:09 – 5:48:31Speaker 3

This board does not care about the health of women and all of the other issues because your one commission stands alone to deal with many issues for women, equity, I mean all of the things. And, we're just not ready at this time. So, what we can hope is that people in the future will want to do something for women in Fulton County.

5:48:33Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne.

5:48:36 – 5:49:20Speaker 2

I would like to correct that whenever you're dealing with a health issue you should be having conversations. I'm not saying only with the Board of Health. I'm talking about your partners with Grady. You should go down and visit. I mean, Doctor. Montgomery Rice. She's a wealth of information. But you should bring people into the picture before you decide that, oh, if we put a million dollars, 88¢ per person, we're gonna have all these outcomes. When people are spending millions and millions of dollars trying to get outcomes, trying trying to improve maternal rates. So, with that being said, I just wanted to correct it for the record that you should have a relationship with our new Board of Health doctor.

5:49:20 – 5:49:34Speaker 2

You should be working with them. You should bring them in as partners in the table. It shouldn't be just write a resolution, Doctor. Rochelle, figure it out. Let's just give them a million dollars, let them figure it out. That's not responsible use, I believe, of taxpayer money.

5:49:35 – 5:50:03Speaker 1

Alright. Anything else? Alright. We'll be dealing with the 26 budget in two or three weeks. I think this would very appropriate to bring up at that time and I'm sympathetic to this. And and there is an organization I'm working with that addresses all of these issues that you'll be hearing more about that in the in the coming months as well. So let's vote. The motion on the floor is to approve.

5:50:03 – 5:50:16Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passed excuse me. And the motion fails. Three ayes, three nays.

5:50:17 – 5:50:37Speaker 16

On page fourteen, twenty five zero nine three nine requests approval resolution by the Fulton County Board of Commissioners supporting its ability to govern local affairs and urging the Georgia General Assembly to preserve the Board of Commissioners involvement in matters affecting Fulton County residents sponsored by Commissioner Ivory.

5:50:37Speaker 1

We have a motion to approve by Commissioner Ivory, seconded by Commissioner Barrett. Commissioner Ivory, you have the floor.

5:50:43 – 5:51:08Speaker 3

Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I'll be brief. I spoke about this last meeting and I just wanted to bring it up again because it's really important. This resolution is about keeping county decisions for county functions in the hands of this commission. Local control is not just a principle, it's practical. It involves Fulton County. Fulton County leadership should be making those decisions. I hope we can pass this resolution to keep the power in the hands of this commission where it belongs. Thank you.

5:51:09Speaker 1

Any other comments? Alright. Commissioner Thorne.

5:51:13 – 5:51:55Speaker 2

Yes. During the last meeting, I asked a straightforward clarification question about the purpose and practical impact of this legislation. Instead of providing an explanation, the presenting commissioner repeatedly just read the same vague language from the resolution, offering a circular response that did not address the question. This lack of clear answer hindered meaningful discussion and prevented commissioners from fully understanding what they were being asked to consider. Effective leadership requires clarity, patience, and transparency, not reliance on broad language that avoids accountability and wastes valuable meeting time. With that, I cannot support this resolution.

5:51:55Speaker 1

Commissioner Ivory.

5:51:56 – 5:52:23Speaker 3

That's not surprising. Effective leadership also requires reading and every part of why I passed this resolution is in the document and in the resolution which I hope people read before they come to the meeting. But, if you hadn't had the chance to, yes, Fulton County should be in charge of how elections function. That is part of this resolution which is what you were going on and on and on about as you normally do. But, it's also about the broader principle of local control.

5:52:24 – 5:52:56Speaker 3

How the county spends money, how we manage county responsibilities, and who gets to make those decisions. This is about ensuring county leadership is at the forefront whenever Fulton County is involved, not just about elections. Passing this resolution benefits the county as a whole. It strengthens local governance, accountability, and decision making. So in short, yes, commissioner Thorne, elections are included and yes, local leadership should have the authority and responsibility to manage those properly alongside all of our other county functions.

5:52:57Speaker 1

Commissioner Thorne.

5:52:59 – 5:53:34Speaker 2

Thank you for clarifying that elections is wrapped up in here with that. I disagree. We all use the same statewide dominion system. We have a secretary of state that is supposed to make our elections uniform throughout the entire state. That is not happening based on local language of laws, different types of boards, managing elections, different boards not having, any say are basically being rendered useless.

5:53:34 – 5:54:14Speaker 2

So with that being said, there are there's talks at the capital of requiring legislation to make sure that elections are fair. Whether you vote in DeKalb, whether you do vote in Fulton, Cobb, your elections, both sides have a say and it's not becoming a partisan issue. There should be non partisan elections throughout the state. So because of that one thing, everything else sounds great. I agree. We should have local control. We are a very unique county. We're the most unique county in the entire state. We deal with a lot of things that most counties don't have to deal with. And so it's impossible.

5:54:14Speaker 2

But elections is one area that everything should be uniform across the state.

5:54:21Speaker 1

Any other comments? Alright. The motion on the floor is to approve. Please vote.

5:54:27 – 5:54:38Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion fails, three ayes, two nays.

5:54:39 – 5:54:53Speaker 16

Twenty five zero nine nine zero requests approval resolution authorizing the execution, delivery and performance of a freestanding emergency department contract between Fulton DeKalb Hospital Authority and Fulton County sponsored by Chairman Pitts.

5:54:53 – 5:55:23Speaker 1

All right. Hopefully, this is one that we can all agree upon. This relates to the freestanding medical facility emergency medical facility that is being constructed in South Fulton County to provide medical services to that portion of our county. This is, in my judgment, what I've called all along for the past three or four years phase one of my personal effort there. This phase one will be the freestanding emergency clinic.

5:55:23 – 5:55:59Speaker 1

Phase two will be the freestanding medical office building, which will have most of the services that we've talked about here today for children and women. Discussions with providers are underway as we sit here today. And the third phase will be that freestanding hospital within the next, I predict, the next four, no more than five years in South Fulton County. This here represents our commitment to health care in South Fulton County. And hopefully, will all support it. Mister Turner, you want to add anything about

5:56:00 – 5:56:41Speaker 63

as the financing mechanics around that, again it's a bond issued by the Fulton DeKalb Hospital Authority. This item is the IGA in which the county provides the debt service to pay for this $19,000,000 bond issue which is one half of the cost of the project. We received eight bids. They were reviewed by the financial advisor of the authority as well as the county. And we recommend Regions Bank as the best proposer at 3.61%. It's a fifteen year bond. Average debt service would be anywhere from 1.6 to $1,800,000 over that fifteen year period. And finance recommends approval.

5:56:42Speaker 1

All right, Commissioner Ivory followed by Mr. Barrett.

5:56:46 – 5:57:14Speaker 3

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I certainly support the building of the well, we are in the midst of building the freestanding emergency department in phase two and phase three. But I just wanted to clarify, I have not seen any documents or anything about the phase three of a hospital, which I would love to learn more about. But this $19,000,000 represents, I think you said, three different phases, right? So this 19,000,000 is just phase one for the freestanding emergency room. Okay, thank you

5:57:14Speaker 61

for that question.

5:57:15Speaker 1

Commissioner Barrett.

5:57:18 – 5:57:34Speaker 4

Okay, so we've already been working on this and building this and it's almost ready to go, correct? So why is this only coming up now? And why is this a I'm confused about why this is a commissioner's action item and not a county manager item. We don't normally do that for bonds, do we?

5:57:47 – 5:58:03Speaker 1

Actually put Barrett and you don't have to put my name on it. I want it passed. We need to put, fulfill our commitment today, our 19,000,000 to Rady Hospital. That building will be complete in probably less than sixty days. The furniture's already been ordered.

5:58:03Speaker 4

Sorry, can you answer the first part of my question about why this is happening now when we've already I'm just confused about the timing of this now when we've already built it.

5:58:12Speaker 47

Commissioner Barrett,

5:58:18 – 5:58:35Speaker 47

timed the issuance of the bonds based on the corporation's need for the resources. So they did start construction, they had resources to start the construction and we timed the issuance around their final needs.

5:58:37Speaker 4

Okay, but this to Commissioner Ivory's point this really doesn't have anything to do with phase two or phase three? No. Okay.

5:58:45Speaker 1

Commissioner Arrington.

5:58:46 – 5:59:02Speaker 15

Definitely put my name on it because I'm the one that declared the healthcare state of emergency in Fulton County. So I'm also confused as to why this is a commissioner item and not a county manager item. County manager, can you answer that?

5:59:02 – 5:59:47Speaker 42

Yeah, let me take responsibility for that. We were in a meeting recently, I think within the last week now, week and a half with Grady, Talking about all three phases of this, obviously this is the one that's in front of us right now. It occurred to me that of all the decisions that this board makes, and I was also thinking back over a ten year term of myself. I think when I first started there was a study done by KPMG, so there were 6,000 decisions made per year by the board. And I think we've changed now the approval level, so maybe it's less than that, but over that period of time, call it 50,000 decisions, two rise to the very top.

5:59:47 – 6:00:14Speaker 42

One is the jail and the other is this potential of not just an emergency room, but ultimately a hospital. So, I made the suggestion in that meeting that we made this make this a Board of Commissioner item for two reasons. One is to really put an underscore in terms of how important this is. It's not just this, but it's what comes after. And then the second one, quite honestly, is to signal to Grady.

6:00:14 – 6:00:34Speaker 42

While their process is ongoing and I think it's very favorably positioned to move from Phase one to Phase two to Phase three, I thought it was important to signal to them. So it was my suggestion the chairman then agreed, but certainly it can be changed, in any way that the board desires.

6:00:34 – 6:00:49Speaker 15

Yeah. Because I certainly would like the opportunity, apparently, and so would other commissioners, to be included in that. And so, if you're gonna make it a board of commissioners item, then you have to email it to all of us. Right? You have to let all of us, not not

6:00:49Speaker 42

one of us. Understand.

6:00:50 – 6:01:11Speaker 1

Change it to board of commissioners. Put everybody's name on there. But we know it. Put everybody's name. Not just put board of commissioners. You didn't have to put my name on it. Let's vote please. I'd appreciate your favorable vote.

6:01:12Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes. Six yeas, zero nays.

6:01:22Speaker 1

Thank you for your vote. Next item.

6:01:24Speaker 16

Twenty five zero

6:01:25Speaker 15

I didn't vote for it because of you. I voted for it because it's the Next right thing to

6:01:29Speaker 1

item, commission Madam Clerk.

6:01:31 – 6:01:48Speaker 16

Twenty five zero nine nine one request approval of a resolution adding to the 2026 legislative agenda and urging of members of the Georgia House of Representatives and Senate to repeal the Living Infants and Fairness Equality Act and for other related purposes sponsored by chairman Pitts.

6:01:48 – 6:02:22Speaker 1

Alright. Again, this is self explanatory. We'll ask the state legislature to repeal house bill four eighty one. That's the proper venue for us to have to have any discussions at all about, this issue. I don't wanna get into the whole debate about who's for abortions or who's not for abortions. Commissioner commissioner Barrett. Actually, get a motion on the floor. I'll move approval. We have a motion to approve and a second. Commissioner Barry, you have the floor.

6:02:25 – 6:03:07Speaker 4

With all due respect, mister chairman, your decision to put this item on the agenda today is deeply disappointing. This is nothing more than a watered down version of the resolution that I put on the agenda that you have all now effectively voted no on twice. Adding this to the agenda after failing to support my legislation to shows a total lack of leadership and does a disservice to the women of Fulton County. I have been accused of campaigning every time I've put an item on this agenda since announcing announcing that I was running for chair. But what is this resolution other than a political move?

6:03:08 – 6:03:57Speaker 4

This is just an opportunity for you to try to win back points with a version that is so watered down and does such a disservice to the women of Fulton County who need us to speak plainly about the six week abortion ban that is killing people in our state and in our county. They need us to shout it to the rafters, not whisper it to our lobbyists. And why are you afraid to call 481 what it is, a six week abortion ban? And what makes you think that as a man, your version of this resolution is better than the version written by women by women across the country with language that has been approved by women across the country? Why is your language better than the language of congresswoman Nakima Williams?

6:03:58 – 6:04:36Speaker 4

Why is it better than city councilwomen in Baltimore, Maryland and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania? Why is it better than state and federal elected leaders across the country who have said this plainly? Why can you not say abortion is a human right? That is what women need from us. This is so infuriating that you think a man can say better how to address this woman's issue than a woman that you say it two weeks after I've said it so you can get brownie points for saying you didn't you didn't vote against a woman's right to choose.

6:04:36 – 6:04:51Speaker 4

You did. You did multiple times. I'm gonna support this because I will do whatever it takes to help end this atrocious abortion ban. So I'll support it. But it's pathetic that that's where we find ourselves.

6:04:53 – 6:05:08Speaker 1

Commissioner Ivory, the proper venue for this is a state legislature and not here. This takes it to the state legislature where it's belong, where action can be taken. Commissioner Ivory?

6:05:14 – 6:05:44Speaker 3

I've been having to educate lately because just people don't know what's going on and I'm a professor and so it's natural for me to want to say it. In the law, a lot of times my law students will say, Oh, Professor Ivory, just tell it to us in plain English so that we can understand it. And I'm really good at that. I do it for them because I know that the law can be confusing and so can politics. Can understanding what a commission or city council or a legislature is supposed to do.

6:05:44 – 6:06:42Speaker 3

So, I've been explaining it. So, I'm gonna just say this really in plain English. What people do on this board especially because it's the only one I've been on, it's what I'm witnessing is that when three people, the three people that are in the minority here, which is Commissioner Arrington, myself and Commissioner Barrett, want to put forward a resolution on anything like, let's say, an abortion ban, it doesn't get passed. Because the four others don't want the three of us to have any wins or to advance any things that are important to us like women, abortions, veterans, seniors, kids, whatever, name it. But then at the very next meeting, there'll be a copy and paste or maybe a couple of changes version of what we put on and was denied weeks before.

6:06:43 – 6:07:22Speaker 3

You saw it happen in arts and culture. You're you're seeing it you're gonna see it not on this item, but on another one coming forward down the line on this agenda. I don't know why we behave this way. We all we all think that we're democrat. We all believe that the abortion ban is hurting women. So let's just all put our names on it and pass it. Why do we have to keep going back and forth with this? It's so wild. It serves no purpose. And it does nothing for you, the constituents, for trying to understand what's going on because all we're trying to do is do good things for you.

6:07:22 – 6:08:03Speaker 3

We don't believe in putting women's health in risk over this six week. We all agree on that. But we're about and I'm gonna with all due respect, mister chairman, of course I'm gonna vote on this with you. Of course I am. I believe in it. I believed in it when Commissioner Barrett said it, and I voted yes. And I'm gonna believe in it when you say it. But why? Why when I when I show a picture of somebody calling me a loser in the middle of a commission is it I have to prove it before it's real. I don't but then the politics will come in and everybody will start playing the hands of this person did that.

6:08:03 – 6:08:28Speaker 3

Is really a sick way to serve. It's a sick way to serve. And it's got to change. So I'm going to always vote with you or you or you or you on things that line up with my values, always. And I'm respect when you don't vote for something that lines up with my values and I'm going to walk away and say, okay, that didn't happen.

6:08:28 – 6:08:52Speaker 3

But I'm going to be vocal about it at the same time because it's important for people to understand what is going on here. And what is going on here is that the three of us, the four of us, we all believe that the abortion bill should be repealed. And so I'm going to vote enthusiastically yes with you on that. And I voted enthusiastically yes on you. And we should have all voted enthusiastically yes together.

6:08:54Speaker 1

Commissioner Barrett? Alright. Let's vote please. The motion on the floor is to approve.

6:09:02 – 6:09:14Speaker 16

And the vote is open. And the motion passes, four yeas, one nay.

6:09:15 – 6:09:43Speaker 16

Twenty five zero nine nine three, request approval of a resolution to amend resolution number 22 Dash zero six four four and resolution number twenty one dash zero two eight two that created and established the Fulton County Veterans Empowerment Commission by revising its purpose and to establish funding for specific programming for veterans through existing Fulton County programs and for other purposes sponsored by Vice Chair Ellis and Commissioner Abdul

6:09:43Speaker 6

Rahman. Alright.

6:09:46Speaker 1

I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Vice Chair Ellis. Is there a second? I'll second. Discussion purposes.

6:09:54Speaker 6

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be brief since it looks like we're losing a quorum. We still have a quorum. I know, okay we're close.

6:10:05 – 6:10:46Speaker 6

In all due respect to Commissioner Ivory's remarks, this any sort of copycat resolution. This is what I stated upfront when this was brought up originally. I didn't think throwing out a million dollars of general funding without a plan or intentionality behind it was gonna generate results. I have an established track record of supporting veterans and you know, was voted for the initial creation of this particular commission. But candidly, it hasn't generated the results that were intended and I think it needs a reframing in such a way that we can get those types of benefits to our veterans and have an impact on our veterans community.

6:10:46 – 6:11:25Speaker 6

And that's the way I approach everything I do when it comes in the context of government. So what this does is, for a little bit of background, this Veterans Commission was started in 04/21/2021 and when it was started, the Veterans Commission was formed as a nonprofit corporation. They were going to go out, raise money, and make grants on their own. That was how they wanted to be structured and that was the work they were going to do. They came to us on 06/16/2022 and they said, hey, we don't think we can do that, we want to amend it and just become an advisory body.

6:11:26 – 6:12:01Speaker 6

Okay? So we modified that in September 2022. Well, since their time of existence, these are all good people, but this commission has provided this board with zero recommendations around priorities, objectives, and policies which support the veteran population in Fulton County. So I think it needs reframing. I think we do need to commit some degrees of funding to it but I also think we need to reframe our focus and that's what this resolution does.

6:12:03 – 6:13:03Speaker 6

And it focuses their activities and working in conjunction with us and our staff on programs and services related to housing, arts and culture, senior services, and behavioral health to support the veteran population. So it does a handful of things, and I'll enumerate those real quickly. It dedicates $250,000 of the budgeted funding for the Fulton County Community Services Program for housing programs which support veterans in Fulton County. And it directs our staff to structure the application process for the community services program accordingly, and as done in the context of the existing budgeted funds that we have for CSP. Similarly, it dedicates $200,000 of funding from the Contract for Services Arts program within the confines of those existing budgeted funds which can be used to support veterans' projects related to public memorials, commemorative events or arts programming.

6:13:04 – 6:13:49Speaker 6

And then it goes on to ask that commission to work with our department staff, etcetera, focused in the areas of behavioral health, senior services, and human resources to do a few things. To get word out through the organizations that work with veterans, one of the things and I have personally worked with veterans and one of the things that I do know is that many of them resist the opportunity to get services. Worked with an organization on their board where we were fishing veterans out from underneath bridges to go get housing. Work with other veterans in terms of Okay, Mr. Chair. Guess we don't have

6:13:49Speaker 1

a quorum anymore. Mr. Arrington, are leaving for today?

6:13:59Speaker 6

Well, I'll finish my remarks. Linkage for our behavioral health service.

6:14:05Speaker 1

Can continue. We've lost our quorum for this.

6:14:07Speaker 6

Yes. Right now I'm not going vote.

6:14:09 – 6:14:53Speaker 6

just go on the record and also tie in for our senior services for things like senior transportation, adult day. And then from the HR side, publicizing and getting out word to veterans in our community about the job opportunities within Fulton County. We've got several of those that we're looking to fill right now in a particular area that's important, that they could have very much an impact in. And also to work with our HR team to figure out with our existing veterans in Fulton County about should we form an employee resource group, what are the types of things that we can do to strengthen Fulton County as a place that's attractive for veterans to work. So that's what that resolution is and obviously we'll be bringing it back for consideration at the next meeting.

6:14:53 – 6:15:07Speaker 1

May I ask that question even though we can't Again, vote anything dealing with money and we're three weeks away from the twenty sixth budget discussion I would think would be more appropriate if there are funds involved in this.

6:15:07 – 6:15:21Speaker 6

I will say that this is budget neutral to what is proposed. The two tranches of funding would be part of the existing CSP and CFS programs. So this is a budget neutral resolution. The Okay.

6:15:22Speaker 1

I'm sorry we've lost our quorum for today. Are there other items to be discussed?

6:15:29 – 6:15:57Speaker 6

Mr. Chair, just ordinarily I would just say we should disclose but I did have a discussion item and the gentleman from the tax assessor's office are here. They've been waiting. Think we can hear it. Can. We can. Since this discussion, you know, this is mainly to bring forth and talk about the senior tax exemptions that have been passed. They help inform the public about how they can take advantage of them. That's would ask that we could at least consider that.

6:15:57 – 6:16:08Speaker 1

Sound that madam clerk and the difference is we do this is a discussion item and not one that we'll be voting on therefore we do not need a quorum. Would you sound it madam clerk?

6:16:08Speaker 16

Yes sir. On page sixteen twenty five zero nine nine seven discussion, senior exemptions, property tax relief for seniors sponsored by Vice Chair Ellis.

6:16:17Speaker 1

All right, gentlemen, please come down.

6:16:26 – 6:17:01Speaker 6

I want to thank you both for hanging out with us and waiting with us until the end. I had asked our assessor staff, Mr. Connolly and Mr. Whitman to come down and share with us about I know my office and I suspect many of our offices have received calls about, hey, we're aware of these new senior exemptions which are passed. We're confused about what we need to do to apply for them. Are they automatic if we have one already? And it's generated a lot of questions. This is a positive thing. We don't want it to turn into a negative. Obviously, people voted overwhelmingly to get this passed.

6:17:02 – 6:17:23Speaker 6

So they want to be able to take advantage of that. So I'd ask them to kind of share with us what give some background about what they are because we've got some in Atlanta that are a little bit different than outside of Atlanta. And then what if anything eligible folks need to do to be able to take advantage of those. So thank you all. I think we got a small presentation to bring up too.

6:17:24 – 6:18:05Speaker 64

Yeah, thank you for the opportunity and while they're pulling it up, afternoon chairman, good afternoon commissioners. Roger Connolly, chief appraiser, Fulton County Board of Assessors. The purpose of today's presentation is to inform taxpayers about the three new homestead exemptions that were approved by the taxpayers. It's gonna be for the Fordham County School System and also the Atlanta Public School Districts. So I will step aside. I will get the subject matter expert here, mister Whitman. He will provide additional details as it relates to the eligibility, benefits, and also the implementation of the exemptions.

6:18:07 – 6:18:35Speaker 65

Good afternoon, board. I am Kevin Whitman, deputy chief appraiser responsible for our field book GIS and Homestead division. You can go to the next slide. Just to give you kind of a basic overview here for twenty twenty six, there are three new Homestead exemptions that are now available to citizens in Fulton County. The first one involving Senate Bill three thirty, which is particular to the Atlanta Public School System.

6:18:36 – 6:19:10Speaker 65

There's also two house bills, seven seventy seven and seven seventy six, that relate to the Fulton County School District, and I'll talk in more detail about some of these in just a moment. And then Commissioner Ellis had asked specifically about the age 70 Fulton County full value exemption, which has actually been existing for quite some time. We'll talk about a little bit of the details of that. You can go to the next slide. Basically what voters approved is as I said, these three new exemptions for tax year 2026.

6:19:12 – 6:19:51Speaker 65

The purpose of course in all three of these exemptions in particular is to reduce school property taxes for qualifying senior homeowners. One thing especially you may have questions about, as Commissioner Ellis mentioned, different exemptions have different qualification rules. Everyone is legislative specific, so there are certain age thresholds or possibly income limits. A couple of these have a homestead history qualification that's involved. And to answer the question directly about a new application, it is required in all cases.

6:19:51 – 6:20:46Speaker 65

Even if a person already has a homestead exemption, even a senior exemption, they still have to apply for these particular exemptions because the law specifically says that these individuals shall not have the exemption unless they formally appeal, I'm sorry, formally apply and provide documentation as required. You can go to the next slide. Talking specifically about the Atlanta Public Schools senior exemption Senate Bill three thirty, City of Atlanta homeowners that are age 65 and up as of January 1 qualify for this exemption. The benefit is up to $50,000 off of the assessed value for again, Atlanta Public School taxes, not including bonds. There is no income eligibility requirement here.

6:20:46 – 6:21:35Speaker 65

One thing that's unique about this particular exemption is that APS has basically put a cap on this. So if total claims exceed the stated cap in this legislation, then all of those who qualify for the exemption that applied and qualified and it supplied, that exemption amount would be reduced proportionally depending on how many apply above that. Also, what you often see as it relates to homestead exemptions is that some of them are in lieu of and others you can actually stack with other exemptions. Senate Bill three thirty actually does allow stacking with other existing APS exemptions. You can go to the next slide.

6:21:36 – 6:22:10Speaker 65

This involves the two exemptions applied to Fulton County Schools, House Bill seven seventy seven and seven seventy six. One of them, as you see, seven seventy seven is for those that are age 65 and up. As of January 1, July applies to those that are age 70 and up. Again, there is no home income qualification here. The qualifications for both of these exemptions, with the exception of the age of course, is exactly the same.

6:22:10 – 6:22:47Speaker 65

Just as with all homestead exemptions, have to own and occupy the property. As of January 1, this one specifically says that you had to have a homestead exemption for five of the last six years within the school district in order to qualify for it, and again, it only applies to the Fulton County school portion of this. Again, no income qualification, only age related when it comes to those exemptions. You can go to the next slide please. In terms of who must file, again seniors must apply in order to receive these benefits.

6:22:47 – 6:23:21Speaker 65

They do not carry over automatically. In other words, homestead exemptions are not related to one another in that fashion. Each one must be applied for and qualified for, and I'll talk a little bit more about that in the next portion here in terms of how to file. And the way we operate, there is no special separate form for particular exemptions. Our system is designed with the idea that nobody knows necessarily all of the exemptions that they may qualify for when they apply.

6:23:21 – 6:23:51Speaker 65

So we receive all of their information and then provide for them the homestead exemptions, all the homestead exemptions that are applicable to them and that they qualify for. In the case of these exemptions, of course, if they have existing exemptions, they're not re qualifying for other exemptions. We're simply adding these new exemptions as is applicable. People can file online at fultonassessor.org under the exemptions tab. They can also file in person.

6:23:51 – 6:24:30Speaker 65

We have six locations throughout the county where citizens can access and file manually if they like. Mailing is still an option. We don't get a whole lot of response through that medium, but it is available and we have forms and instructions available on our website as well. And as far as when to file, you can file now. The way Georgia law works is you essentially have from April 2 in this example of 2025 until 04/01/2026 to apply and qualify for exemptions for tax year 2026.

6:24:31 – 6:25:13Speaker 65

Now in 2025, a new law came into play that also allows taxpayers to file during the forty five day appeal period. And if they file and qualify that exemption would be applied for the current year, if they applied during the appeal period. Next slide. This is kind of going to age, the age 70 Fulton County full value exemption that Commissioner Ellis was asking about. Like I said, this is not new, but just for clarity on how it operates, whereas these other exemptions that are new for 2026 that we have discussed apply to the school systems.

6:25:14 – 6:25:52Speaker 65

This actually applies to Fulton County operating taxes and bonds and some special service districts. Who qualifies Fulton County homeowners who are age 70 plus or disabled on or before January 1? That's specifically the way that legislation is written, and there is an income qualification along with that. The household income has to be equal to or less than the maximum Social Security benefit for a married couple as defined by federal law. Again, this does not apply to school taxes.

6:25:52 – 6:26:28Speaker 65

This applies to Fulton County operating taxes primarily. Again, an application income documentation is required. Almost every homestead exemption with exception of maybe one auto renews with that same exemption as long as nothing changes and eligibility is maintained, but if there is some other exemption they are seeking, they do have to apply. Next slide. These exemptions of course are designed to provide meaningful tax relief for seniors.

6:26:29 – 6:27:23Speaker 65

As a Texas tax assessor's office, our priority is to help homeowners understand what they qualify for and how to apply, and I will take some questions, but if you want to go to the next slide, of course, just for those that are viewing or may review this later, this is all of our contact information, our locations throughout the county, our phone number and get our website online portal on fultonassessor.org. Under the exemptions tab, there is a online homestead guide that outlines all of the exemptions that are available in Fulton County. There's information available to help you for whichever route you choose to file, whether it's online, whether it's in person or whether it's through the mail. But that's what things are looking like as of now for these twenty twenty six exemptions.

6:27:26 – 6:27:56Speaker 6

Thank you Mr. Whitman and Mr. Conley. I just had a couple of quick questions, if you don't mind. I'll try to try to be brief. On the when you go to apply for that form, is it clear, like, okay. Hey. I know I got a homestead exemption. I know I also applied for, you know, I think in Fulton County Schools, there was an extra, 10,000 or something before. Is it clear like what I need to submit in order to qualify?

6:27:57Speaker 6

So they'll understand that once

6:27:58 – 6:29:08Speaker 65

Absolutely, they're in yes sir. Yeah, that's very important and you made some good observations as well to the web blurb that we put on the front and we did make that language make a little bit more sense in terms of particular exemptions. When you go to our exemptions tab on that webpage itself, it identifies any documentation that you need to supply in order for your application to be approved. Also, are links on that or on that particular webpage that give a step by step how to go through this in terms of not only utilizing the online portal, but uploading the documents that are necessary. The way it works in real life of course is whenever we receive these applications, if there is documentation that is missing, that's essential for them to qualify for a certain homestead exemption, we have the ability to reply to them through our Smart File online portal, identify exactly what documentation etcetera is needed and again allow them to provide that documentation to us.

6:29:08 – 6:29:25Speaker 65

So we've done and I think Jessica her team as well, Jessica Corbett and her team as well for helping us along these lines to try to ensure that taxpayers understand not only what's available but how to access these exemptions for their particular property.

6:29:25 – 6:29:38Speaker 6

Okay and then two other quick questions. They don't automatically qualify and the reason for that is it's our read the way the state law has written, it requires application.

6:29:38 – 6:29:57Speaker 65

Yes sir. Every exemption that I'm aware of, local or at the state level, says that the taxpayer shall not receive this particular exemption, whichever one that writing is under, except they file an application.

6:29:58 – 6:30:49Speaker 65

And so, oftentimes I think there's this idea that you just graduate from one to the other as you reach certain milestones, for instance, age, but the law specifies that they have to apply. It is often viewed as a negative because in this example seniors are having to apply again. But it also provides an opportunity because they may provide us income information, other information that maybe we don't have that would allow them or allow us to grant them an exemption for which they're not receiving the benefit of yet for which they actually do qualify. So it's not a restriction in that sense, it's an opportunity for them to qualify not only for these new exemptions, but maybe even other exemptions that they're not currently receiving.

6:30:49Speaker 1

Okay. So, Vaishya, may I follow-up on Yeah, yeah. So what you're saying is no matter what you have currently, you must apply for this? For these new

6:30:59Speaker 65

exemptions, yes sir.

6:31:03Speaker 1

I'm sorry. Wasn't looking at

6:31:06 – 6:31:44Speaker 3

That's fine. So, thank you for this. It helps me. I was trying to explain this the other day to somebody. I had to do a bunch of research. So, this is really great. Thank you. I think the where it falls in the cracks like everything always has somewhere that it falls is that right there that it takes an action for a senior to be able to get this. And so many seniors are able either unable to make it to one of the centers or unable to of have the wherewithal to get it done or to have somebody help them get it done. And so that's always the place where we hear from constituents that they didn't file or they didn't come down and get the exemptions.

6:31:44Speaker 3

And so, that's always the place where I'm trying to figure out how we can help people that don't have that information or just are unable to come down and file.

6:31:52 – 6:32:32Speaker 65

And that is one of the benefits of the new law that now allows taxpayers to file within the forty five day appeal period. Previously that wasn't available to them, so if they now if they miss the April 1 deadline and they get their assessment notice and there's an indication that either there is no homestead exemption applied or maybe they're receiving a homestead exemption but not one of these new ones, they do have that additional forty five days to apply and so they can take advantage of that for the current year. Very much hear what you're saying and appreciate that and we try to make every effort to ensure that people are aware of all the avenues that they have in order to apply.

6:32:35 – 6:33:07Speaker 6

One last question. How are we and you all have a lot of stuff to do in terms of what your staff and just service and people coming in and all that. We want to make sure we're publicizing this and getting the word out, right? Sort of what is how are working to sort of coordinate our effort to and I believe we've put some stuff out via our social media and that sort of stuff but if you could speak to that or I don't know, I know Jessica you've been working with him too, if you could speak to that, how we're doing that and how we can support that.

6:33:07 – 6:33:45Speaker 64

Absolutely and as Mr. Whitman said, thank you for your feedback and yes we have been working closely with Jessica and her team in order to get that message out. We updated our web some messaging in our website, but also included some links for some a flyer and also some frequently asked questions. We are open to those town hall meetings that we traditionally do every year, whether it's virtual or in person, so we can have that more face to face interaction with those taxpayers. But last, we'll be working with Jessica and her team as it relates to some direct mailers so people can clearly understand and get the message.

6:33:45Speaker 1

Okay. Alright. Excellent. Thank you.

6:33:50Speaker 6

Thank you so much.

6:33:51 – 6:34:02Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you very much. Sorry you had to wait so long, that one, glad you did. Any other items that come before us that would not require a vote?

6:34:03Speaker 16

No further items.

6:34:04Speaker 1

Alright. No further items and we are adjourned.

6:34:15Speaker 40

Recording stopped.

6:34:19 – 6:34:34Speaker 14

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