Senior Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

I call this meeting to order. Madam secretary, secretary, please call the roll.

Okay. Vice chair Kroll?

Here.

Member Walsik? Here. Member Reese?

Here.

Member Ossepic?

Here.

Member Nelson is not currently here at the moment. And member Herzl?

Here.

Okay.

Please stand and join with me in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of our country. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. While you're still standing, if we could just have a a moment of silence for Todd. Thank you. He's done so much for the community, and I don't want to forget about him.

Thank you. We'll now hear public comments on nonagenda and consent calendar items. Secretary, will you please call the first speaker to the microphone?

Up, down, down, up. I'm Yolanda Harrison. I am Todd's wife, and I'm very disappointed in having to mention that, yes, he did pass away on November 6 from a massive heart attack. He loved serving the people of Fullerton. He he was waiting for his next time to sit here at council in order to serve on the seniors' committee.

He had plans. I don't know all of them, but that's okay. And I was going to ask that the meeting be adjourned in his name. That the meeting be adjourned in his name.

I did. Thank you. Thank you.

I don't have anyone in Zoom with their hands raised.

Do we have any any public? I'm sorry.

No one else in chambers. No.

Do we have any remote?

No. None on Zoom.

Do I have a motion to approve the consent calendar? Do I have a second?

I'll second it.

We regularly have a a motion and second to approve the count, consent calendar. Secretary, please conduct the vote.

Okay. Member Herzl?

Approve.

Member Nelson?

Approve.

Member Ossepec?

I approve.

Member Reese?

I approve.

Member Walsik? Approve. And vice chair Kroll?

Approve.

Vice chair, if I may, we went over we skipped over the department update right before consent calendar. If you don't mind going back towards that, we can we have a department update to present. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.

That's okay. We could do the committee member reports and the department update. We'd like to do that now.

K. Please. Community member staff communications and reports.

I don't really have, anything to report. I know

That's where you have your five minutes.

Yeah. The only thing is I still need to get, together and with my ad hoc committee member here, and talk about the the senior guide for the city of Fullerton. So we have not done that, but we I have, a couple of examples that we're gonna use. And so I don't really have a lot to report on that right now, but I know there's a couple of good guides out there that the city can be utilizing rather than probably creating a new one. One being the North Orange County senior collaborative guide, and the other one is the, answers guide put on put out by the council on aging.

Another good one.

That's all I have.

Okay.

I have something some questions and things I need to get cleared up. It was brought to my attention by several seniors this Friday, and with they came to me with several concerns, and I told them that I would bring this up today at the senior advisory committee. This was told, well, it was brought to our attention on Friday that Meals on Wheels will not be serving coffee in the mornings to our seniors anymore starting January 1. This has been going on for over thirty years. It used to they it was served coffee between nine and eleven.

Then this year, they changed it to 10:30 to eleven. The center has always applied coffee. I for like I said, for the last thirty some years, even in the old building. This is a place where seniors come in the mornings while they wait for their class to begin. They also socialize with other seniors.

They may even play cards while they wait. And these are usually seniors that come by the bus program or taxis. And these are seniors that usually spend most of their day at the center. They will come in the morning, have their coffee, go to their class or whatever program they're attending, come back, and then eat lunch with the Meals on Wheels. Before Meals on Wheels, it was done by senior serve.

I think before that, it was done by the city. So I'm once I would like to know why I did ask. I was told by a representative from Meals on Wheels that it had to do with a liability pro problem. And it wasn't in their agreement, but this they've been serving coffee for the last several years ever since senior serve. So I don't understand.

Was there a new agreement brought up? Also, I mentioned, well, if Meals on Wheels could no longer do this, how about the city taking it back? I was told same thing, a liability problem. Like, if coffee was spilt on someone, that would be the problem. The lie but if the city serves hot beverages as other functions, why can't they continue to do our coffee?

I know this seems like a little petty little thing, but to the seniors that are there, it's not petty to them. And since this is what we're here about is for seniors. Like I said, it was just brought to my attention on Friday. I didn't really have that much time to go in and investigate all of this, so I'm not sure whether what I'm reporting is true or not, but I need to know. And, if it is a liability problem, I did research some background on liability.

And in I there's a case called Monroe versus the city of Palmdale by something that happened just like this, that they were serving coffee, volunteer people were serving coffee. The coffee was sitting on a shelf, came down and hit this person and caused injury. It was taken to court, and it was said that as of government code section eight fifteen provides in part, except as otherwise provided by statute, the public entity is not liable for injury whether such injury arises from out of an act of omission of the public or public employee. And since this was not a public employee that was doing the coffee, it was just, I think, thrown out. I don't have all the information right now.

I was trying to get this all together this morning. Very hurt. You know? So I would like to know if how to go about this so I can go back and report to my concerned seniors.

Mister chair, can I make a few comments if if I may, just for clarification?

So so

there are two Meals on Wheels in in this location. Okay. There's Meals on Wheels Orange County. Uh-huh. And they are at the senior center. They were formerly known as senior serve. So it's not Meals on Wheels Fullerton. I just want that clarification. It's Meals on Wheels Orange County. That's

Thank you.

Thank you. Would you like to share your five minutes?

Well, I don't have anything to report because, when I called Todd to try to see what I could do on the annual report, ad hoc, He had died the day before. And Yolanda spoke with me at length about the death. So, yeah, I don't have anything to report because I couldn't get together with my chair. Sorry.

Okay. Well, I'm on two committees. One, you just heard about. The other one I'm on is the community visibility. And

So we can do the updates during that time. So that's an item on

the agenda?

No updates.

Oh, okay.

We never met because we were told we weren't supposed to sit together and talk, and we didn't have a chair. I mean, I got really confused about this, but I don't think I was the only one. This was because Wendy and I are going, how do you do this if you don't sit down and talk? And we said, can we can we meet and gather information that will help this committee? And we were told no. And so it's we just went, well, what are we expected to do? I mean, if we don't get the information, how are we gonna report anything if we're not supposed to sit down and talk? And and I don't know why we got that direction.

I I believe it's you can't have more than two

of us. Is that I I

don't know. But there's three on a committee.

So sorry. Just to and and to Sierra's point, there is a item on the agenda that we can go in details. But in general, the committees are were created with the number in mind that does not exceed the quorum so you guys can meet to discuss the items on your committee.

Okay. We weren't told that last time.

We can't I I for the information, but once we get to the item, we can go through the details, and we can discuss

Okay. Because we have nothing to report on that committee.

Chair?

You holding this? I sit on the committee but unfortunately we did not meet as well. I agree with committee member Herzl that there are other resources that we can provide throughout the community such as the North Orange County senior resource guide is a great guide. I'm not as familiar as the answers guide with council on aging but I believe I'm on that committee. Am I on that committee with you? Whatever committee I am with with you, Richard.

Just the two

of us. It's the two

of you?

Mhmm. Okay.

I'm I'm with you and

Richard. No. And Jeanette. And Jeanette. On the

community outreach one. But we're on the which we're on

the same side. As well. So I have nothing to report on that. I do wanna give my condolences, to losing our chair. I was really shocked when I heard the news.

And Yolanda left, I just I wanted to get my just my thoughts and prayers there. And the other thing I'd like to report on is Meals on Wheels Fullerton. If people are wanting to make a charitable donation during this time of giving and Christmas celebration Meals on Wheels Fullerton obviously needs your donations. It's a private nonprofit and relies on our community support and it costs roughly $200 to provide a monthly meal for a homebound senior and during this time a lot of our homebound seniors do not have family around. They rely on the community or their neighbors or churches and going into 2026 it would be a great gift to give to a senior monthly meals for $200 and you can make that donation at ww.mowfullerton.org.

Thank you, Sharon. I would like to start off with Todd. We are going to miss our chair. Todd has done so much for the city advocating for seniors, and and I I sure hope that his supporters, his community will pick up the baton that is has now been passed on, and and he will be missed. He'll be missed here, and he'll be missed in the community.

So, my condolences to the family, to his friends, to the community of Fullerton that looked up to him. I just hope that we continue with in his spirit and move forward and and do what we need to do, because I know he would not want us to stop, the cause. So, with that, we will do our best. And, every time we get a a win for the seniors in Fullerton, we can pin that star on Todd. So with that, the only question I have in looking in the back minutes, I just wanna make sure that, at some time, I receive a list of of the possible approved youth orders within the city of Fullerton.

I know the boys and girls scouts the boys and girls club across the street. If there are any other ones, please let me know. I would appreciate it so I can get started on that part. And at at this point, I'm sure I have a lot of words, but I'm still grieving over Todd as well. So we're just gonna move forward with that. Department updates?

Good evening, senior advisory committee. Pleasure to see you again. Before we kinda dive into our department updates this this month, I wanted to provide you with an overview of what the entire parks and recreation department is doing since the last time we've met just so you you can kind of see the different areas, the different programs that I think hit different work plans, etcetera. But I also wanna share that there has been some, staffing promotions at our facility at the Fullerton Community Center. So to my left is Jacob Hodgdon.

Jacob is our new senior or Fullerton Community Center Recreation Supervisor. So he will be dealing and working alongside with all senior related programs at the community center, rentals, facility operations. And, again, Carla behind me, who you've all probably met, she was helping us in a different area for the last couple of months, but she will be, again, the point of contact for the seniors, program. So looking forward to I think we're now stabilizing our our team and looking forward to finish off the year strong, as I can share what we've kind of currently done for the last couple of, this last month at least. So I think it's in front of your screen and we'll get started.

So this is for the senior advisory committee for the month of December. Next slide, please. Alright. So everyone is invited to our Union Pacific Trail ribbon cutting. It's this Saturday.

Yes. It's this Saturday, December 13 at 10AM. The ceremony will take place on the Independence Park side of the trail entrance, and we're looking forward. This has been a project forthcoming for a long time, and we're finally it's it's pretty much done. I think they're doing the last couple of walk through items, but it's gonna be a great amenity that's going to connect Independence Park to the next slide, which is Union Pacific Park, and that's, at the end of the trail on the east side of the trail.

And that should be opening as well as January 2026. And a cool little amenity if you did not know, these are the first two outdoor pickleball courts that we'll have at a park. In addition, we'll also have a community garden for about 10 flower or community garden beds, which will include it's a hybrid model. So it'll be community organizations that, you know, everybody can work on on a monthly basis plus private flower beds or community garden beds. And it also has a Kaboom playground that was built in September, and Kaboom is a nonprofit organization where it's a they build a playground in a day.

So there's a Kaboom is the nonprofit, connects you with a funder, and then you build a playground in a in a parking within the city. So it's very exciting for us to kinda connect that side of the South Side of town. Next slide, please. Next, our capital improvement project. This is Lyons Field over at the bottom of Hellcrest Park on Brea Boulevard.

We are working on replacing the entire synthetic turf. It's about 250,000 square feet of synthetic turf, four softball fields, and a football field there. It's highly utilized like it is you if you have grandkids, you've probably been out there to watch their sport sporting events throughout the year, or just walk the stairs. It's a beautiful view. This is from about halfway up the stairs.

So this is a very big project for us that is actually in its final phase, so they should be done by the end of the year. And now that football field will be a multiuse field for soccer and other activities and four softball fields, and we were able to add a fifth, like, youth softball field. So Mhmm. So it's a very exciting project. Looking forward to the future ribbon cuttings.

Kinda touching in our parks and trails and sports because a lot of our we do have a senior walking club and a trail hike or a trail club, if I'm not mistaken. So just highlighting on what's going on in the outdoors in our city. Also, we just had our special event on Veterans Day, November 11. We, this is the first time as a city we've kinda taken it on. It was used to be a partnership with the American Legion, I think, chapter here in Fullerton.

Unfortunately, that closed its stores last year. So this year, we actually brought back the parade. It started, about Chapman And Harbor, Up Harbor, and then ended at the Hillcrest Park, lawn area with a special presentation. We had about four of the local high schools. It was very nice event with the gun salute and laying on the reef, and it was just it was great to be part of.

In our youth program, we had our peanut spectacular in October. It was a Halloween themed event at Laguna Lake Park in the grass area there, so they had activities and multiple games, which I think we have a couple pictures, if not here at the end. But we also had our Oktoberfest, which is our theme market. We had a special appearance by the Fullerton Flashers, and they were they were great as always. So this was just a great youth event in the downtown area.

They actually went this year, we added an element where they went business to business to trick or treat in the downtown area, ending at the downtown plaza with additional event or activities and contests, and I think that's a pie eating contest. And we had a, we have music and multiple vendors, and the Hook its Pocus sisters made an appearance. So it was it was overall great. And just highlighting back the Veterans Day parade and the ceremony. Pull different pictures.

And then this last Friday, which didn't make the slideshow, it was or we had our tree lighting ceremony, here at City Hall. We actually lit the tree here on average. It's a natural tree. You see it lit up every night. We had multiple vendors. We had some performances. A couple of our senior groups performed out in the front, actually, and then food trucks and a special visit from Santa Claus himself. So it was just a great overall event. First time I think we've done it. Usually, we usually light a tree over at the winter market, which is part of the Fullerton Museum's event.

But this year, we actually kinda hosted it hosted the event here on City Hall, the Civic Center Ground. So it was awesome. And then you're all invited to our first night event. That's the our New Year's Eve celebration on in the downtown plaza. We close Harbor, between Harbor, Amridge, Commonwealth, and Chapman. And east of that towards Pomona, and it's like a big h. And it's we have three we have three stages, attractions. We have we'll have a Ferris wheel again. We'll have a snow lane and multiple food vendors. So all of the staff are actively working on that just to bring in the new year.

It's another picture there from our Oktoberfest or sorry, from Peanut Spectacular. And then we also have this really cool program, which we're in year through, two, I believe, of the outdoor equity Richmond grant program. So we partner with Richmond Neighborhood Center, and, it's just, we had a grant from the California Parks and Recreation Foundation or California Parks Foundation from the state, and it's to showcase different outdoor, the natural resources and outdoor activities for the kids. So our kind of our focal point has been, Richmond, the Richmond Neighborhood center, and it's like a one mile radius from there. So families can, sign up, and this was, I believe, a visit to the Dana Point Harbor.

So they've gone to Catalina Island. They've done an overnight trip at Chino Hills State Park. It's and they've learned about, like, water resources from our from our city staff. So it's just been great overall. And at this time, they're planning twenty twenty six, excursions.

And it's totally free to the, community. And then we also have some youth and teen programs, that we schedule throughout the year or the current, sorry, The current current quarter because that's part of our recreation programming from our Fullerton fund. And then we have the following ones, is older adults. So older adults, different programs that we have. At the community center, we have snowman saw craft led by our city staff, some sessions, seminars.

Also, we have a holiday tea party that's scheduled on the tenth, which is tomorrow. And then different strategies for fall prevention. These are all popular in addition to the pickleball and all the other drop in programs in the gym that we have there. Some pictures of our pumpkin decorating workshop and our Halloween bash. It's always very nice to see all the creativity from our seniors and all of our participants.

We had a floor arrangement workshop. And then I'm just gonna brief through this because it is also I'm gonna go in-depth on the agenda item, but it's our senior transportation program. Up through October, we had 569 rides. And then our Hunt Branch Library, which if you haven't attended, it's still very vibrant and it's beautiful grounds. We have a my little and me craft time there now, Monday, Wednesdays, and Friday mornings in addition to the library and all of the programs the library brings.

And then we have a coffee vendor there from Tuesday to Thursdays from ten to 01:30 just to add to that space. And we host our try it Fridays, which are the first Fridays of the month in the evenings. I believe this one was a they've done, like, bracelet making. I think this was an ornament one, if I'm not mistaken, but they've done a lot of different dry Fridays, cooking classes, so or candle making. This one was candle making.

Sorry. And we also have a small gallery led by our, staff member, Amy Oll, at the hunt. And right now, we're, it's once upon a sketch exhibit. So that's in partnership with the Fullerton Museum and some of their interns. That's all. Thank you. Yes. So we will send it over, and Sierra will forward it to everyone.

If we can jump over to second calendar. Number one, October 4 meeting minutes. We need to approve those?

We just yeah. You already approved them.

Well, we already did that. Alright. Okay. Then number two, regular business, senior mobility program update.

Yes. Again, I have a presentation. I know this item was presented to the committee, at the last November or October meeting, if I'm mistaken. No. Yeah.

October meeting. So a couple of updates. Just as a background. This we have a presentation that we'll pull up, but the senior mobility program is a program where the city receives funding from OCTA c OCGO, which was formerly measured to funds, and that's ultimately what funds our transportation program. And for us in Fullerton, our transportation program for seniors is the senior mobility program, which I'll highlight in the presentation.

But in addition to that, this program is over 32 cities to date. For us, we usually have an annual funding from 95,000 to a $135,000. And for this current so they work in a calendar year, not a fiscal year, so it kinda confuses the math on our end, but it's from 20 to the the allocated funds currently are $176,000.939 dollars. So we're gonna pull up the presentation. Give me one moment and let let me pull it up.

Staff will pull it up right now. I think you've already received it in your agenda packet as well. Right?

Yes.

Okay. Perfect. So we'll just get it, yes. It should have been in your attachment. So our goal and and the information that I'm going to present to you is that, we are gonna make some changes.

And for us, just because of the funding and the cost, it's going to impact our senior our senior members. And the reason being is that we are trying to do our best to elongate the program without having to make any cuts to the program. So in order for us to save some funds and being able to offer the rights, we need to make the changes to the program that I'm going to propose and share with you, instead of the current structure of it. Okay. So we'll go through it.

This is the senior mobility program update as I shared. It's it provides transportation. Here we go. It provides transportation for Fullerton residents ages 60 and over. The services currently include transportation at community centers, so that's to and from the community center, medical appointments, and shopping within sitting limits.

It's what we'll call our recreational travel. And then we do partner with this program with California Yellow Cap through what I shared the measured OCTA's OCGO. Some agencies have their own transportation program. Other age most, if not all, agencies do partner with Yellowcap, which has the contract with the county. Any trip in Fullerton is a minimum charge of $20.

So if you take the if you get a transfer to a taxi from City Hall to the Fullerton community center, it's $20 automatic. Even if you're in the taxi for one minute to ten minutes, anywhere in Fullerton is $20. And we do have our a lot of the seniors who live in nearby senior residents that do take the Yellow Cab. So to and from, their trip is $40, right, a round trip, and they visit the center multiple times a day. So that's what's increasing our cost.

So the funding and the program cost, as I shared Fullerton's allocated fund funding is a $176,939. And that's just the breakdown of from July through October. We don't have the November dates yet, but this is our current fiscal year. So for Yellow Cab expenses in July, we're spending 26,000. And bus passes which we buy those, the bus passes for seniors and this is a subsidized program, we're spending $4,227.

So we buy the same amount because the seniors actually do buy those bus passes. July, August, again, $25,000 for Yellow Cab. September, $30,000, and October about $29,000. That is between the Yellow Cab and the bus passes in just four months. We're about a $124,000.

So this is the current structure we what we currently have. However, if we were to divide the $176,000 that's allocated to us by the twelve months, we are to be spending about $14,000 a month on average, 15 on average. So we are exceeding that by a lot, about double that. So thus, we need to make some adjustments to our current service plan to be able to elongate this and not, run out of funding. Because if we do run out of founding of funding, we cannot provide taxi rights.

So currently, this is what we currently have. So there are unlimited trips per day to and from the community center like I shared earlier. So members, if you for example, and this does happen where a senior has a 09:00 class. So they'll go for a 09:00 class, they ask for a taxi, and then they ask for a taxi home. So now they're home by like eleven.

Then they ask for another taxi, come back for the lunch service. So then they come back for the lunch service, they hang out, they eat lunch, and then they leave. If they have an afternoon class which we do, it kinda tailors off about 02:00, we're done. Or on a Tuesday, they come back for the TED, so the Tuesday night evening dance. So now they're coming back, you know, four or 05:00, they stay for the dance, and then they head back home after the dance.

So in a day, one senior in that scenario has spent about a $120 on on round trips, and on a Tuesday. Right? So that's the free unlimited non emergency medical trips. So this is doctor's appointments. Currently, we're offering eight free trips.

So that's four round trips per month within Fullerton, Anaheim, Brea, Buena Park, Placentia, La Habra, and satellite locations. So just like this is this is no longer $20 a trip that we're subsidizing. These trips can be much larger. So for example so for example, we may go to Anaheim but Anaheim is also a very large city. So it can be Anaheim Hills. Right? That's very that's very far. Brea can be a $40 trip. So those are free potentially up to four round trips. And then in addition there's other satellite highlighted locations.

And then recreational trips is also a total trips within Fullerton. We have a minimal fee of $3, so we're subsidizing $17. Outside of Fullerton, to the cities highlighted there at $7, so we're subsidizing $13. So that's what's kind of increasing our expenses. What we're proposing, and I apologize, this should say round trips, we're limiting it to 12 round trips per month only in Fullerton.

So the med now this does not mean that a senior can't get a ride to these other locations outside of Fullerton, but they would have to pay for that. And we would accommodate and schedule those rides, but it will not come out of their bank, their free rides. They would have to pay that fee or find a different, medium to get there, whether it's family or friends or Uber. So, again and and I wanna highlight that the prior to so this is a rollover account. What that means is that during COVID twenty '20, 2021, many seniors weren't utilizing the service.

So we had an excess amount of funds that we would just roll over. And then at times, we're like, okay. We can offer everything free. Any ride can be free. But that price tag continued to increase increase, but we had the funding to accommodate that.

Now, unfortunately, these are the changes that we need to make based on the funding that we're getting, the forecast funding that we're getting in the next year, and kind of where we are right now to still elongate the program versus cutting the program because there is no additional funding for us to supplement this OCTA funds for the taxicab. So this isn't there's no vote on this, but it is a receiving file and and it's information for the committee to have. And if you guys have any questions, I'm happy to answer those.

I I have a question. Have you gone to or Orange County supervisor with this issue? I mean, they sit on the board for OCTA.

So the funding so there's a a fifth I think a second attachment on your agenda that you received. That's what's forecasted off the measure tax. So that's just depending on the I don't know what factors go into that forecast, but it's residency, a number of residents, number of seniors, and each city gets allocated number of dollars. So, and granted, this is just a forecast. It's based on that tax.

So it can be less, it can be more. For us, once we kinda get back on the, you know, to where we can spend $15,000 a month, we would then reevaluate our plan. OCTA is relatively flexible with the service plan. We can as long as we're updating them, they'll just make the adjustment on our end when we get audited for auditing purposes. But it's not to my understanding, we can't go and ask for more money because it's all coming from that tax base of those funds. Yeah. It's not a direct allocation. It's more of a tax based allocation.

Thank you.

I have a question. So you're I'm assuming this 12 round trips per month, you guys are projecting that that or is gonna fit it within our budget there. That's kinda what you're are you gonna reevaluate then that, like, quarterly or, you know, I guess annually or some point to see? Because maybe, hopefully, if we're not spending, you know, the full amount, we can start offering to other cities at, you know, maybe they where they don't have to pay $20. They can, you know, do something like Yes. $7 or something.

So, before we came to this decision, staff kind of took a deep dive into our current expenditures. So we we do, receive a monthly list of all the ridership from Yellow Cap and all of and that's how I know that a ride for two minutes is $20 versus a ride for ten minutes is $20 and the distance is covered, etcetera. So we we took a look at that. We identified kind of our more daily users of the program and saw kind of their patterns and also identified what other cities are doing. And some cities are restrictive, some cities have additional funding, some cities have their own in house.

So we took all those factors ultimately to come up with this decision that would fit to our funding needs and our funding restrictions and then in addition to future evaluation. So, yeah, we can always expand it and not make it as restrictive as the additional dollars start coming in.

Okay. Just one more. Thank you for that. One more question. So it's like Yellow Cab, man. They're they're doing really well on this. Is there there's no other have we looked into another option besides yellow cab or getting the yellow cab to maybe reduce the rates? I mean, they're just like, they're gonna be bummed. And you know what? Oh, well. They've been making a lot of money on this.

So I I believe when, this program came came about was through OCTA, and Yellow Cap has a direct contract with OCTA as their contracted service. So I believe staff and I wasn't part of, the team, but other options were explore. And just with safety and the infrastructure, Yellow Cab had those resources, because it's very hard to, I guess, if you were to use like a ride share service to kinda pinpoint how many hours, what's realistic, and there's nothing above them to monitor that. So Yellow Cap have the infrastructure, thus they have the contract, with OCTA, and that's their minimum. Yeah.

The $20 minimum per ride.

I have a statement. At the $20, that's bad. I don't see a lot of our seniors being able to afford that. The ones I know, anyway. And limited to 12 per month, then, I can see that.

Then they need to maybe come in once Some do come in in the morning, then they go home, then they come back. But most of them stay come in in the mornings like nine or ten and stay until about after one, after lunch or whatever their program they're going to or their event or class. So I can see that the twelve, but I don't know. Yeah. I just see a lot of this is not gonna go over too well with our seniors. I'm sorry to say.

Okay. So my comment is that that this report, we we take it, we receive it, and it gets filed, but we have an opportunity to make a recommendation to go back to the city. Is that what we can do here?

So with the recommendation here is you're receiving the information and filing it. Now, and I believe you can always say, hey. Bring it back in six months and see if it how effective it was, some feedback, or at a on a quarterly basis once we start the implementation of it.

Yeah. Okay. So so as representatives or advocates for the senior community, which is a good point that Wendy brings up because that's what I was thinking in the back of my mind, seeing how we're advocates for the senior community. And if if you're suggesting that that seems high, we need to not just put it behind us and file it. We need to readdress it at a later later and see if we can make a recommendation to whoever makes that final decision to say, hey. Can you 20 is a little high. We recommend maybe you put it down to 15 or maybe 10

Yes.

So as a committee.

So the $20 is a set fee

Sure.

Between Yellow Cab and OCTA. Okay. So that's what's contracted and negotiated.

That's what Fullerton is paying.

That's what we're paying. So that's what we're paying.

What the seniors are paying.

So the seniors are not paying $20 within their 12 round trip trips. So it's anything outside of that. So they if they've exhausted those, what would be 24 single trips, then for any additional after that, it would be $20.

So what I'm kinda drilling kinda what I'm drilling down is is we're receiving the report, we're filing the report. As a committee, how can we, contribute to the report other than just receiving it and filing it? In other words, we're just becoming a a filing cabinet. When do we actually get to make recommendations or make suggestions as advocates for seniors?

Yeah. So once we start the implementation of the new proposed trips and the 12 round trips, is if the feedback that you receive from the seniors

Mhmm.

You can bring them back and say, hey. Can we bring back that item to further discuss and identify if adjustments need to be made? Where you we can set a future date of three months from now, six months from now to see, the impacts that it may cause and the feedback that you might receive so we can reevaluate our trips. And at that point, based on what the current funding would be then and our current structure, we can reevaluate. Absolutely.

Thank you for that answer. That was for your benefit so you can hear when you go back to your board. Okay? Because you're you're gonna receive a lot, and I'm sure you are too. You are too. Okay. Thank you. Madam secretary, do we have a, speaker for this?

No one in chambers, and I don't have anyone in Zoom with their hands raised.

We're in Zoom. Okay. So at this point, is there any committee member that wants to make a motion or just kind of file it at this point and see where it goes?

I'll make the motion.

What?

I'm sorry.

Are are you saying that we're

Yeah. Well, we're receive we heard it. We're receiving it. We're filing it. There's no action at this point. Not yet. Not yet. Am I right? Yes. Okay. Alright. Yeah. Right. So so so just keep in mind for future when this comes up. Okay. Thank you. Alright. I'm sorry? Just say Yeah. Yeah. We received it. We'll file it. I have to have my glasses on so I can hear. Yeah.

All good.

Okay. Number three, senior, of this ad hoc committee.

Yeah.

Yes. Number three.

Vice chair Kroll.

Yes.

Just, for item number three, we don't have a presentation, but it's mostly, this will continue to be on the agenda as an updated item. So on if there's any updates from the committee of any progress made on any of their of their items.

This is that one that we start talking about during our five minutes. So, like, at this point on my committee that I'm on, I wanna make sure that I get the list of of young people, of clubs, everything that we should take into consideration for my group. So I know I know of the Fullerton Boys and Girls Club. I wanna know any of the other clubs or within the city limits that we should address in that subcommittee or ad hoc committee. I'm sorry.

That way I know who to reach out to. And I think that was in the minutes, back. So And then, anybody else on your subcommittees? Is this a good time to bring it up?

Now bring it up again. We need to be able to meet, and we need to be able to have a chair. And so far, I mean, we were told not to meet. We were told not to get together as a group. I'm just trying to figure this out because it seems inconsistent with what we need to do.

So so can I make the recommendation then seeing how is no longer with us, and he was on a couple of committees as as much as I hate to say it? May I replace and, be put where Todd was?

You better.

I need to say something too. My term is over at the end of this month, So I will no longer be on these committees either. So that needs to be taken into consideration.

Yeah. We can do that at the very next meeting when Katie comes in.

Okay. Okay. We can handle that

at that time.

Okay. Great.

So do we need any kind of motion or to replace Todd with me?

Sorry. I'm looking at which committee he was part of.

Year end and Annual report.

I think that was the only one, which is the annual report. So there's still committee member Reese and committee member Wulsek on that. And vice chair Kroll, you're on intergenerational engagement than the ad hoc. And, again, to the to the point of the chair, we are bringing that at our next meeting in February to confirm the chair if I'm not mistaken.

So that would be the chair, vice chair, appointment for the the entire committee. So the entire senior advisory committee. Yeah. Not ad hocs. So there are no chairs for your ad hoc committees.

I'm well aware of that. I I just there's a little little fogginess to it.

There well, there's there's okay. If there's no chairs No.

You can do it amongst yourselves. So when you meet knowing that Todd's not there, if the two of you wanna continue Well, where's Well, I don't mind being on it as well, but I'm just

You don't need See. Yeah.

Oh. So

It's just

you can carry on with it. It's just me agreed to do the thing and then Okay. You know?

But we need to have leadership in the committees to pull them together and stuff, but we're not

You do that amongst yourselves. Yeah. You do it amongst yourselves.

Kinda counterintuitive to leadership. But

So committee member Reese, there's I think that committee piece to the ad hoc title and the senior active advisory committee is confusing. So the senior advisory committee at our next February meeting as a whole, we are bringing forward an item to to select the chair and vice chair of the senior advisory committee.

Right. For 2026.

Correct.

Right.

Within each ad hoc committee, there was discussion of identifying one of the committees within those two or three individuals to take lead on that committee. So ultimately, to present on the greater scope at the end of the year once decisions or when you're bringing forward the item. So that's that's where that individual would step up and say, hey. Yeah. I'll be and I think, you guys coined it the chair of that committee, but not the chair of the entire senior advisory committee.

Right.

Each ad hoc they don't need a chair. If you say If all yeah. Spokesperson. It can be whoever they want. I think that's just the term that was coined when you guys were creating I need a your ad hocs.

The spokesperson. Yeah.

Okay. So the spokesperson gets everybody together, leads the meeting, and then reports back. Mhmm. Okay.

So if you're comfortable with just two of you on it, you can We don't just you don't you don't need me. Maybe I was cute. We can ask you a question. Absolutely. Because you're still within the brown hat. It's okay. Possibly so. Yeah. That'd be decided at that time. Yeah. Because at that time, you want her to have a voice. You know, we don't wanna volunteer her anything personally that she may not wanna do.

That's what I was thinking. Okay.

Can I

Go ahead?

Ask a question here? When is the annual report by this committee due?

Sorry. I believe we have this created in August, so it would be term play the June or the August meeting next year.

So it's fiscal

Good dance. Works. Yeah. So a year after the committee

was full. It would have been

I guess. Yeah.

Because we only met twice on this

Yeah.

This year. So August, we created in yeah. So it would've this would tech this is technically the third meeting of the year.

Perfect.

So we can we can create it in June.

So could you could you put in the next notes or whatever said due in August 2026 or whatever that may be, six months from

July, August.

Yeah. Okay. That way that way we know. Okay. How's that? Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's do it at

July. Yeah.

Are all reports by committees due at the July then?

That'll make sense because that's when it was all all of them were created at the same time.

Oh, are you talking about your ad hoc committees?

Just the ad hoc.

No. There was only one ad hoc committee that was designed for the annual report. So not all of them. Just the one. And that's the one for the greater scheme of the entire committee.

Okay. Yeah. Thank you for the clarification.

And that annual report was from the time it started the committee started in August to okay.

Yeah. We we can schedule it that to that, calendar or, sorry, that cycle just to give you the opportunity to go through a whole year and provide an actual report. For the other ad hoc committees, there is no timeline in the sense of, like, the end date, but it's through your term. Now there's some that you can actually accomplish sooner rather than later. If there's programs or resources, like the resource access community visibility, being part of the events that amongst yourselves, can highlight and be like, hey. We're we think we're gonna accomplish this by this date. And that's part of the ad hoc committee and presenting it to the rest of the the group.

I had a question on the annual report. I I believe I remember us discussing that it's the annual report you guys are gonna get information from the other ad hoc committees to be a part of that report. Is that

Yeah. It can filter into it.

Is that how If that's the case, then we

that right?

Then if that's the case, then we need to organize all the committees to prepare something to give. Right?

Is that that kinda what you're looking for in that annual report? An overall of all of that, HAC committees, or no?

That's that's part of the information included. Ultimately, what the annual the purpose of the annual report is to present it as a informational item to counsel with the work that the senior advisory committee has been doing throughout the year. Okay. So it it it it that's why it's kinda tailored that way. Events that you attended, advocacy that you've represented, decisions that you've made throughout the year and highlight what the seniors have done and within that year and how it's benefited, and the senior advisory committee has advocated for the seniors in that way.

So, the annual report is something that staff can assist with in providing you details and figures, membership, or not necessarily just membership, but attendees for programs, and highlight all that information, all the hard facts.

I think it might be a good idea. I'm not on that committee, but ask the city to provide you with an outline of what they're looking for in that report, and then you can just kinda fill in the blanks. I think that

I think that's

how I would go about it.

Yeah. Yeah. What is expected of us? Give us the outcomes that you want.

I think that might be true for all of the committees now that I think about it. Like, you know Absolutely. Like, I'm I sit on the the resource guide. What I don't know if we've received something like what exactly is the ideal information the city is looking for on that. Do we have that? Do we

So when the when the ad hoc committees are created, we're based on what the senior advisory committee thought there was a need for in the community, not so much what we wanted to see you to do. So these were all items created by the committee members Mhmm. To highlight the needs of the seniors. So there is no template to say what resources are out there or how you can package it. You wanna do a presentation, you're more than welcome.

You wanna provide a list, like, ultimately, it's kinda how you wanna tailor that information that you wanna present. So there's there's no template. We can assist you in in finding, what neighboring cities or resources in addition and complement the work you're doing in your ad hoc. There's no template per se. It's how you envision the seniors receiving that information and what's important to them.

And who's the point of contact? Is it one

So it was Is it you? Work through Jacob and myself as, like, the staff. And I believe you have y'all have my information, and I can share Jacob's information.

That would be helpful. Can

I make an additional recommendation there that we have we have each other's emails and phone numbers so that we can reach each other to set up meetings and yours? And just so that we don't have I don't have that data. Did does anyone else have that data? I know how to reach Wendy because I do different things with her, but I don't have your number. I don't have your numbers.

I have some yeah. Not all of

them. How do we you know, we're sitting here with nothing and responsibility, so it's hard to do them.

Okay. Any more reports on this part?

Yes. Did you? I I guess, you know, I'm on the, community visibility and which I think definitely is a need out there. But

Mhmm.

I mean, I guess as we as committee, with Wendy and Jeanette, we'll figure out how we wanna be visible as far as the community center or what are the scene

Or how visible we are. I mean, we don't even visit. Committee are?

Okay. How how Like, attending events. Yeah. Know, all this wonderful stuff that you just reported on that seniors can get involved in, including the trails and what you're doing on Saturday. I mean, how is that how is that getting out there to the community? And is that what you're looking for us as a ad hoc to present?

And I so for senior or the community visibility, I recall when it was formed, it was to share that there was a senior advisory committee that seniors can speak to and share their concerns towards or, you know, highlights and that that was relayed to city staff to potentially address or just keep as information. So how does that ad hoc or the senior advisory committee become visible to those seniors? So so I think at that time, the conversation was having you know, we can always set up a table at the Fullerton Community Center where you can say, hey. Like, if you, like or just attend the class. We can give you the schedule of the classes, and you can go in there and just participate.

And if, you know, and then those conversations say, oh, cool. Like, I'm on the senior advisory committee. I'll bring that up. At these special events, so, there's some events that make more sense to have a senior advisory committee table than others. Right?

Like, we're having our health and wellness fair in April, if I'm not mistaken, our senior health and wellness. So, like, we can if there's the ad hoc committee wants a table, we can offer that opportunity. Right? Of just how do you connect with the seniors? And I think the goal of the ad hocs is to brainstorm different ways to connect with the seniors, and we can support those ideas and also help guide those ideas once you're presenting us with, like, the list that I just shared.

If you bring that to us and be like, yeah, that's that's a great opportunity, like, let's schedule that. Or if you have a way where, like, you there is a senior walking club. If you if you wanna know the dates of those, Like, how can the senior activity or sorry, the senior advisory committee be involved in senior related programs and activities, through the ideas that you bring up in your ad hoc? And we we as staff can support those.

Christian, what would you Oh, I'm sorry.

And I'm assuming there's no budget

for our No. Sharon Sharon, at this time, there is, this Fullerton senior newsletter that the Fullerton senior clubs puts out, and that has all the classes that are at the community center listed what's going on. So that's one of our, you know, one of our things we can use. Yes.

Yeah. That's that's a perfect example that we don't have to reinvent the wheel there. That's already a service. So through the senior club newsletter, through x y z that's already in place, that's how the senior advisory committee is being visible. So

Right. But I don't feel like or I don't think that we're, touching on every senior in Fuller Ton if that's our goal because it's only those that are involved with the community center. So what about all those other seniors?

And yeah. Of course. And that's where in that ad hoc, those ideas on how to touch all those other seniors and how us as staff can support that goal

K.

Within that ad hoc.

What do you see as the purpose of this committee?

The senior advisory committee Mhmm. Why it was created.

Mhmm.

I believe there's a specific reason why it was created. Give me one moment because I don't wanna misquote myself.

It was stated at the very first meeting

we had. It is a platform for senior voices offering directed communication channels to city council, enhancing seniors quality quality of life through education, recreation, housing, transportation, health, wellness, and volunteer programs. That is the description of your committee.

And and the can you read the first part? It's a little bit hard for me to hear

you.

Yeah. The description or the senior advisory committee is a platform for senior voices offering direct communication channels to city council, enhancing seniors' quality of life through education, recreation, housing, transportation, health, wellness, and volunteer programs.

Got it.

Okay. Direct way I I interpret that, that direct connection with the city council Right. Are the reports. Right.

Right. Okay.

And that probably came from Todd. Did Todd relay that to you?

I wasn't part of when it was formed. This is just the description of the advisory committee. I don't know how that was

The committee was formed by the city council.

I was gonna say

And that was probably based on residents or participants asking for something like that.

Okay. Okay.

Any more comments on the ad hoc committee?

Just that we will get information so we know how to reach each other so we can set up our meetings.

Yes. I believe I've emailed all the ad hocs, but I can resend it to you.

Yeah. I remember, receiving mine.

Yes. I got

I I will resend you that email.

Yeah. We will. Thank you.

Absolutely.

Yeah. We should make sure, that the email Oh, well, no. I'm getting these. I just don't remember getting that. Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate that.

Any more comments? No. Madam secretary, do we have any speakers?

No one in chambers and no one on Zoom.

Okay. Thank you. And we don't have any motions at this time. K. Oh, wow. We're getting right to the end here. Are we at end of our agenda?

Yes. Looks like it's me.

I'm sorry? Oh, yes. Yes. We'll receive the, we'll receive and file. Thank you very much.

Richard, could I say something before we end? Yes. I'd I'd like to say that it was a privilege and an honor to serve on this committee for the last year. I've learned so much I can't even believe to go into con how much I've learned because I wasn't aware of so much going on so thank you very much. I want to thank Fullerton Park and Recreation for appointing me to this position. Thank you very much.

They didn't appoint you. You're you're ad hoc right from because you're president from, Star Club.

Okay. Well, I was told I was appointed. But okay. Sorry.

We are very, happy to have you. I know you work very hard at the, club because I see you work hard over there. So we will miss you, and and we look forward to working with Katie when she, does she get installed, or is it just already been installed. She's already. So she's the current president. Okay. Right. Well, that explains the text I got.

Yeah. So

we look forward to to sitting with her too. No other comments with

I just the the Yolanda was asking us if we were going to be able to adjourn and and Right. Right. We I I don't know if we have to vote on that.

Or No. Okay. No. We received her comment. And with that, I will adjourn the meeting. And need a motion to adjourn. Nope. Okay.