Active Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I'll now call to order the regular meeting for infrastructure natural resources advisory committee for November 17, and I'll ask that our clerk reads the roll call.

Chair Seaborne?

I am here.

Chair Tuna?

Present.

Chair Baradwaja?

That is outstanding. Present. Thank you.

Chair Klingsberg?

Present.

Chair I'm sorry. Member Klingsberg. Member Molina?

Present.

Member Sergeant?

You stepped up.

And member Sarves is absent.

Alright. We'll look at public comments first. Is there any member of the public wishing to speak before this committee? I don't see anybody in chambers. Do we have anyone online who has general public comments? If they do, make sure their hand goes up. We'll give them a quick opportunity to speak. No hands up? No members of the public? Alright. We'll bring it back, and we'll turn to the consent calendar. We have the minutes from 10/20/2025. Is there a motion and a second?

I'll motion to accept the minutes.

I'll second.

There's a motion and a second, madam clerk. You need to read the roll for the minutes? I think I think it's a roll call vote unless it's, receiving file.

Okay. Chair Seaborne?

Aye.

Chair Tuna? Aye. Maribarej Raja?

Yes.

Member Klingsberg?

Aye.

Member Molina?

Aye.

And member Sargent?

Aye. Fantastic. We'll move on to regular business. And first item of business number two, Fullerton Airport update.

Alright. Good evening, everybody. So I'm gonna introduce, Brendan O'Reilly. He is the airport manager, and he's gonna be providing a summary of the airport operations, funding, and projects, that he's been working on. So here's the clicker. And let me bring up.

Good evening. Always a pleasure to come here, and you guys keep me honest. So, yeah, let's get started. My name is Brendan O'Reilly. I've been the manager of Bullerton for twelve years now. So and I know you guys want to

I got it. I got it.

I know you guys are interested in the projects, but for the benefit of the new members, I'll just give a quick, kinda highlights of Fullerton Airport. So what you're seeing there is the original building on the airport, the hangar building. But but the basics of our field, we're a small 86 acre general aviation airport. We're considered a reliever under the national plan of integrated Airports or the NIPS, we call that. What that means is we the FAA sees us as significant to air transportation.

What we mainly do is relieve congestion out of the bigger airports. So right now, we're we have over 350 based aircraft. We just hit 90,000 operations, actually last year and this year also. We have a single runway, and it's it's basically a small, very simple layout airport, which means which helps because it's actually a safe airport when you hear about runway incursions and things happening on bigger airports. We don't get much of that because it's such a simple layout.

So and feel free to stop me anytime with questions. This is the overhead view of the field. This slide shows you just some landmarks there, Commonwealth on the South and the railroad, Artesia on the North, Dale Street to the West, and all the industrial commercial there to the East. So for health of a big airport, you go by enplanements or passenger movement and tons of cargo. At a small airport, you use different figures.

So the operations, like I I just mentioned, those are our operations counts going back to, what, 2015. So very much a consistent trend upward, not not anything radical. We did have a bag a big jump, excuse me, in '21, and kind of a bigger jump last year as well. I I would say just the airlines hiring pilots or having a shortage of pilots really drives our growth. Another factor here locally is that John Wayne Airport has really been effectively pricing out small airplanes because, for instance, a parking tie down at John Wayne three years ago was a $150 a month, which is what we charge now.

January 1, they will be going to 650 a month. So a bunch of those people have flocked over to Fullerton. So we are 100% full. We have over a 100 people on the hangar waiting list, and, even our tie downs are full now. So we're in good shape. Thanks to John Wayne and other things.

What's our cost, by the way, for the for the hangers?

Well, hangers go anywhere from around 600 a month to just over $1,200 a month. And then the tie downs are $1.50 a month. So so operations, hangars, talked about. Fuel flowage were healthy. We're not the best priced.

There's only one aircraft fuel supplier currently, and they're kind of priced high. So I believe our flowage isn't as much as it could be, but still healthy. Based aircraft, as I mentioned, we're over 350 now, and we've made money every year since I've been here. So we're we are a enterprise fund, and we we are good at keeping our prices right where they need to be to make money and cover our costs, without, you know, driving away competition or or business. And there's our based aircraft and a chart.

Again, you see just kind of a nice general upward tick. So our notable businesses there, I don't know if you remember that chair seaborne. So wings just just, celebrate their ten year anniversary, October, and, doing well. On Veterans Day there, it was over an hour wait in the lobby all day long. So so people are enjoying coming out to the airport.

It's it's fun. Highway patrol operates out of our facility, Anaheim Police Department. I'm sure you all know if you live in Fullerton, Orange County Fire Authority. The firehawks just came in last June. So the bell four twelve on the left for reference, drops 300 gallons of firefighting water or liquid, and the firehawks do a thousand gallons.

So they've effectively tripled their capabilities for firefighting. And no noise complaints on those, which is amazing. We have Mercy Air Ambulance for trauma, and our FBO currently is general aviation company. That's where you would take your aircraft for service, fuel, parking, rental cars, all those kind of things you need when you fly into a airport. Hanger twenty one is is a well known helicopter operator.

They're they have a part 135, which is an air taxi certificate, but they mostly do photo runs and tours and that kind of thing. And they become quite a destination for weddings and corporate events in in Orange County. I believe they got, best wedding venue in Orange County two years in a row. It brings a lot of people to the air. So as far as projects, we we had a new terminal concept back in 2019 that we were ready to take to council to effectively go beyond the 30% design, which is what we are at now.

And then when COVID hit, we decided to just kind of sit back and wait to see what happens to our revenues. And so we effectively shelved that project. But what it is is a two story building next to the building you see now.

And

this would allow, you know, another air taxi type service to operate from the lower office space as as well as the airport administration. And then, like, a general big classroom or or meeting room upstairs. So when we dug this, project back out in 2023, The engineers estimate went from 7,900,000.0 to 17, and I can only imagine it's probably around twenties or so now. So I can't afford that. So, anyways, in just a bit, I'll talk about what's coming.

But I think, again, we're we're kind of in a good spot with this because the environmental's been cleared once. It only has a three year shelf life. But if we wanted to build something for an air taxi service, we have a 30% design done. The rest could be designed built to suit. So, it's kind of a good thing that we got this far.

So moving along. So aviation facilities was a fifty five year flight school on the field. They decided to wrap wrap it up and retire in 2022. At that time, that was where I used you know, basically, that was like the nucleus of the airport. All the nonprofit groups, the pilot association, all those folks would congregate here because there was a meeting area, including myself because I didn't have a meeting area.

So when they said that they didn't need their building anymore, we proposed to buy it from them, which we went ahead and did. And, one of our tenants, who wanted to remain anonymous made a an offer to buy the building for us and throw in a million dollars to renovate it. So, that's kinda where we started with the blank building, and our concept drawing came out like that. And we're able to mostly do this without the fancy awnings and whatever those things are called. So you can see the blueprints here.

We we effectively pushed out the corners where we could and just added office space, which is which is very valuable at the airport. And so that's this went into construction February 2024, and it was exactly one year. So we rehabbed the, that's the hangar you're seeing, and then these are the office spaces, all new electrical and walls and, what else? So this is the completion. And the engineers estimate at that time was 1,100,000.0.

Our lowest bid came in at 2.3. So construction's very expensive as I'm sure you're all aware. So so we moved in last March, and then we issued an RFP concurrently to find a a business to rent out the rest of the space. And that is our new, flight school, flight test prep academy. They're been doing business in Long Beach for about twelve years.

Very high-tech, you know, simulator based training. They have five aircraft here and then six at Long Beach. They do a lot of summer camps for high school kids. They do intense, like, simulator training and IFR refreshers and things like that. And they're known for their gift store and pilot shop, which is nice for student pilots to be able to buy textbooks and charts and all that kind of stuff.

They're also known for taco Tuesdays every month. So they invite the entire airport out to just congregate, eat free, and just, you know, hanger talk and all that kind of stuff. So really a class act flight school. I'm I'm really happy with them coming in. And they basically the rent that they pay, you know, pays for my administration offices to be there almost free.

So, so moving along to projects, we just finished this Runway 6 PAPI project. I think I was under construction when I was here last year. So we just got that done. This doesn't actually go into service until the FAA flight checks it, which is where they fly a jet down and make sure all the angles are right and that kind of thing. It it gets a lot of attention in the city because you have a a business jet flying about 50 feet down the runway.

So the neighbors definitely noticed that. But either way, that just costs us about $56,000. The rest was all grant money. What this does is keep pilots, on the right glide slope down to the to the threshold of the runway. And it looks something like this when you're coming in. White and red means you're on the glide slope. If you're all white, you're too high. If you're all red, you're too low. So that one's done and wrapped up. So we're looking now at we just are about to award the contract tomorrow night, I believe.

Right? So we got a bipartisan infrastructure law grant for half 1,000,000, which, as you know, doesn't go too far, but definitely helps. So we're gonna refresh the building, the lobby, the carpet, painting. The floor the stairways are all at least from the seventies. That may be older.

We're gonna replace all that, the handrailing up the stairs, reseal the cab windows, and repaint the exterior. And the best part is, we're gonna finally have a sign back up on the tower that says Fullerton Airport. It's gonna be backlit, and there's gonna be one facing Commonwealth. There's gonna be one facing the airfield too. So excited about that.

The backstory on that is when we first painted the building in 2014, the painters damaged that sign, and it was not recoverable. And I never thought it would take this long to get it back up, but it's coming. So we're awarding that contract and will be under construction, I believe, right after the new the new year. So our other upcoming projects, I have a grant coming for the hangar rehab that is also bipartisan infrastructure, a separate pot of money that we they call airport improvement grant funds. So one of the ways we make money, our main moneymaker, is is hanger rent and, you know, fees.

So, these really are our bread and butter. These are the older hangers. They're built circa 1980. They're what you see from, like, Magnolia and Commonwealth area. And they're definitely showing their age. They've got, you know, leaking roofs and the electrical supply is not keeping up to, you know, the demands. So so we're, planning to do, we have about $1,100,000 available now. And I've I'm I am expecting another last year. That was a five year program. So that'll be just a tick under 300,000 more that we'll get for that.

So and those those monies were free to use as we see fit as long as it's an eligible project. So and then I've pushed the the South Aircraft Parking Ramp. That's basically a a very large the main part of the the south side of the airport. The pavement's just it's well beyond its useful life. It's twenty five years plus now.

We've gotten by with a lot of crack ceiling and whatnot, but it needs to be done. And that will be a phased project that we will design in '27 and construct probably first phase in '28. At least that's that's what we do on a five year plan now with the FAA. So that's pretty much it for projects. We had a really good run there during COVID. I applied for a lot of things, and we got a lot of money pumped into the airport. But we're we're slowing down a little bit. We're pushing pretty hard there, David. Right? So that's pretty much it for projects.

Now I've been coming here for years talking about electric air taxis and how exciting this new era of aviation is. And I can say it's finally starting to sink in that this is coming. And, you may have seen that we had a press release with Wisk. Wisk is owned by Boeing. So we signed an MOU with them to start initial basically, planning, how we would bring this technology to Fullerton Airport.

When this went out, I didn't realize how big this was going to get, but I got really popular really quick. So the other manufacturers have been coming to meet with us now. I had been talking to Joby, which is, the one on the right there. They are starting operations in Saudi Arabia next year, and they're finishing their type certification with the FAA here also next year. So they plan to be operational here in '27.

Archer is the one on the left, and I'm sure you've seen this press release that they're the official air taxi of the twenty eight Olympics. I think this might be a little bit of an aggressive goal for them, but, they're making all the right moves. You you might have also seen that, they just purchased the master lease of Hawthorne Municipal Airport for a $126,000,000. So so we're all talking now, and it's pretty exciting. I told my boss that when these guys are ready and close to certification, they're gonna be coming to us because we are fantastic location for this, and we have the ability and the the the ramp space.

So what we're doing, this is kinda my implementation plan. After meeting with them, we need to really work closely with with Edison and, evaluate, you know, what it's gonna cost, if anything, to bring this kind of power to the airport, where it's available, and what kind of schedule. Because we're looking at, like, a two year time frame now for this to to actually be happening. So, it's getting fun. It's getting really fun.

We're also gonna be looking at the leaseholds to see where the best space is, and we have to figure out all the the, you know, the the protected surfaces that that we keep the the right distances and whatnot. So so, yeah, it's it's finally coming, and it's very exciting. Still a lot of questions to be answered on this technology, but I'm I'm sure you've seen at least something in the news lately if you're paying attention, because there's quite a bit going on. And I think the the twenty eight Olympics is really the big impetus for this, but but it's also, you know, it might be a new technology to a lot of people, but, like, I personally have been hearing about all this for over ten years now. So it's not new to me at all.

It's just it's finally getting to where it's common place. So so exciting stuff. That's that's this is just kind of what I was provided by Archer, what they need operationally. It's it's kinda like, check-in. There's a small waiting area.

And then on the right there, they play basically a safety briefing of what to expect with the aircraft and and emergency procedures and all that kind of thing. So, and they have portable chargers that, can be brought on-site. So that's what this is the, battery energy storage system that they said could you know, if if we're behind or can't get the power we need, they can actually bring it on-site. So so this is all what's kind of we're looking at now. And I think also our distance to, our proximity to Disneyland is is one of the things that makes us very attractive for this.

I think that's pretty much it. Yeah. I'm sure you guys have questions. And we'll

I'll start off with one for you. Has, Citi reached out to Tesla to talk about, installation of supercharger sites, specifically at the airport, but thinking about other areas as well.

Not at the airport. And now that would be interesting because at what point they the Archer mentioned they would like to have car charging too. So at what point, who's competing for the power? Right? So that's why we have to look at what's available and how to get it there and what's the best way to do that.

Because if they primarily need to charge the aircraft, then that takes a lot of power. I don't know that they'll be enough residual for car charging. But but, no, we haven't looked took in a hard look at that at all. But we've we're going to be here with with the Edison planning soon. We just I was just talking to David about that last week.

Fantastic. Alright. I'll open up to questions of the commission. I'm gonna start over here on my right, member Burdwaja.

Hey, Brent. Always awesome to hear you, man. Thank you. Always available for questions, and I appreciate that. Just very exciting stuff. I I think what Greg brought up is is very very valid point, and I think it needs to be looked at from the beginning. It's a lot of power to power a car. It's a heck of a lot more power for air taxis. Like, what we're seeing with AI data centers eating up so much power

Yes.

And the cost now being sent on to the poor residents that are seeing the exorbitant bills go up. Mhmm. Are we gonna experience something similar? And I know maybe it's a big question for you, but it would seem like if we're gonna start drawing a lot of power locally, that it's probably gonna be burdened by other people through increased rates and so on.

I I have no idea how to answer that, but it I agree. It's an interesting what the next few years are gonna be quite telling with the with all the electrical power consumption and competition for it. Right.

And I do like what Greg said. I'd love to see a Tesla supercharging station because that's free, and it creates money for the city. Yeah. The other question for you is all the hangars that are there, are they solely used for aircraft, or are people using them for other things as well?

No. We we kicked out we we had a five year plan. When I came on board, we did not have enough aircraft demand. So we we got a waiver to allow non aeronautical storage, but that ended in 2018, I think it was. And since then, our demand has been just through the roof. So with with aircraft hangar space at such a premium, there's no way we would allow storage other than aircraft.

And are we okay. Or I should say you because you're leading the thing. Would are we at market? Because, I mean, if I I know John Wayne's a lot further away. It's a different community. Mhmm. But are we at market, or are we capitalized at the right level pricing for these hangars, or are we a little behind?

We're just getting just as prices are going up now and the demand is there. So I'm just thinking about starting to look at raising. I've been doing it about every three years. So that would we'd be about another year away.

The last question for you is, so if we do start some of these air taxi services and such, it's gonna create a lot more traffic. You're talking a small small craft, two to four people, likely not much bigger than that. Correct. Four people. Four passenger. Right. Four passenger. How many more flights a day would we be looking at? Because, I mean, it's gonna take off for lack no pun intended. I guess that would be a pun intended. But, I mean, it's something that take off, and my concern is always flight paths more, you know, and then, again, residents having to burden the, you know, increased flights over their houses, you know, more air traffic potential for, you know, injury with crash and things as well. What are we looking at? A 30, 50% increase in current travel? 100%?

You know, it was really interesting. I had this discussion with the the business development manager for Joby Aviation. They can't nail down the cost yet. Right? Because they only have x number of vehicles, less than 10. So if there's less than 10, they're probably a $100,000,000 apiece. Right?

Right now.

Yeah. But but when you have a 100 of them, they're maybe 10,000,000 apiece. So, I mean, they're you know, they've brought in Toyota. Toyota's invested a billion dollars. They're gonna handle the production. But at the end of the day, they're trying to keep the price point similar to an Uber black Okay. Type service. But they they really don't know what the cost is gonna be, And the cost is gonna predict the user. Right? So it's an interesting discussion right now in the electricity rates and all of it factors in. So, again, lots of questions to be answered. I don't know even that the manufacturers know yet.

I would just think though that as the steward of this, that I would hope that you're looking at those things not just as they develop ahead of time. Like, hey. Look. This is we think our capacity is without receiving too much, you know, pushback from the community because that's gonna be important.

Yeah. As far as okay. So as far as flight capacity, we can definitely handle a lot more operations. These aircraft, from what I understand, they're gonna be flying lower level, in, like, a drone, aerial taxi type, like, a 2,000 foot above ground. The reason they can do that is because they're so quiet. So that impact is solves itself. Right? But there's still a visual impact. Right? So, you know, it it really depends on the roots, and I don't think they have those yet. The roots as far as like, they're talking about Huntington Beach, John Wayne

Oh, the routes. Sorry. Sorry. Got it. Okay.

The routes.

So you say tomato or say tomato.

Well, translate the Canadian over to English there.

The and Brandon What did I say? Roots?

Roots?

Like, I was thinking there were trees or something in the world. But you know what? I get that. Just like I said, I hope that consideration's there because there's a visual impact. Even if the noise isn't that much more, it's what the community is gonna push back on. You know? And I'd like to see success as opposed to a lot of people, you know, starting to push back and things like that. With that, Brendan, thank you as always. Really enjoy hearing from you. Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you.

Alright. Any other questions? Yes?

Again, with the, increase in electrical demands for something like this, have they is there any talk about bringing solar in? I mean, you've got a lot fair amount of roof space with hangers. I I know hangers aren't super structurally solid, but if they're refurbishing those and investing in those is is solar and battery storage, you know, I think in the discussion.

Yes. We've discussed on rooftops only. What you'll see at bigger airports are those solar farms, and they they have room to do that. Unfortunately, we don't. We're completely mature, built out. So, the only issue with solar on the airport is they call it glint and glare issues that close to the traffic flow. So, we've discussed it. Nobody's really pushed it yet, but that may be a a good alternative if the demand for power can't be met. You know?

Thank you, member Clinton. Move over to my left. Vice chair.

I pretty much you answered my other questions there, so I just wanna say congratulations again on, you know, all the growth and development that's going on there. I always appreciate you coming out to tell us what's going on, so thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Member Surgeon? No. Nothing? Okay. Member Molina?

Yes, chair. Mister Brendan O'Reilly, thank you very much, and, you know, your presentation is very informative. Thank you. Very exciting. A lot of good things going on at the airport. But I don't know if it was already mentioned, and I just didn't hear it. For people who are traveling, they park their car there at the airport. Do we charge for parking? And if we do, how much? And is the city making money out of this?

Right now, we do not charge for parking, but it's a three night maximum.

How many?

Three nights. Seven Three nights. Hours. Yeah.

Mhmm.

So if if they're traveling longer than that, then we will make an arrangement. But we we used to rent a parking spot for $40 a month, But we've been trying to get away from that because we've got so many events going on now with we have three different car shows a year. We have our airport day, and we need all the parking we can get, honestly. So unless it's unless it's a case where they have an aircraft base there and they're flying regularly for a business or a project

Mhmm.

I'm not I'm trying not to rent spaces, the cars. Nice. They're free to park three nights.

Three nights. I'm just curious. What if they exceed three nights? What happens?

Well, we'll usually tag them. If they let us know it's their car, then we know who it is. Mhmm. We will red tag them. And if if it doesn't move in, say, another three nights, we we can tell them. It's all posted out there.

So it would be

two hours. Also, if if they're a tenant of ours, they're free to park their vehicle on their aircraft spot.

Mhmm.

So so the ones you're talking about, I think, are kind of transients that come. And then I don't mean For

for passengers. Yeah. Yeah. Just like what the big airports are doing. Yeah.

Yeah. So we don't have any kind of air charter or taxi service yet.

Mhmm.

So when they do come, parking will be addressed, and I don't really have a plan for it yet. Mhmm. But there's a lot of options, and we will definitely capitalize on making money.

I see.

Okay. Another question is with all of this development going on, are we thinking of I know you created some lounges in there for people to relax, talk, and have meetings and everything. Are we planning to have a some sort of a hotel there for people to, you know, spend the night for the, you know, weary passengers or travelers?

I don't have any kind of room for a hotel. So

There there's no space at the moment?

No. No. It's like I said, it's an 86 acre facility, and it's completely built out other than, if we well, it's gone now, but I'm I'm saving ramp space for an air taxi type situation. Mhmm. But everything else is is fully built. Right. As it is, I could see maybe a parking structure going in. Mhmm. If these electric air taxis really are as busy as they think they're going to be, say, ten years from now, the only way we could accommodate all those vehicles is the structure. So but, yeah, hotel, definitely not. Not on the not on the site.

Okay. Mhmm. You. Thank you very much. Mhmm.

Okay. Alright. If there are no other questions, I'll turn it over to public comments. Is there any member of the public wishing to speak? Anybody online? Nope. Okay. I'll bring oh, we do have a member of staff who wanna speak.

I'd just like to make a comment because Brendan, you know, he mentions it, but he I think we should publicize it a little bit more. Lot of people, have comments that the city doesn't go after enough grants. Well, you can see for the last five years, he's basically paid for all his projects with FAA grants. So, Brennan is definitely, using that to his advantage and the city's advantage, and he should be commended for that, for tap tapping into it, planning for it, and using it in a very, very good way.

You, sir, are commended.

How about, like, a bonus or something?

Let's not get crazy. I don't

get thank

you, David.

Went off the rails quick there. Okay. This is a item for receive and file. If there's no objection, I'm gonna deem it received and filed, and we will move on to item number three. Good to see you. Thank you. Thank you, Brendan. Alright. Item number three, the infrastructure update,

and

this is a general update.

That is correct. Alright. So today, I'll be providing a brief presentation on several key infrastructure efforts, that we are currently that are underway, across the city. This includes, solid waste services RFP, solar lighting, ongoing accessibility improvements throughout the city, and recent grant applications while Brandon's leaving. The goal is to just give you guys a snapshot of where we're at with each of these incentives incentives, where they stand, and highlight recent progress, and what we're doing moving forward with these projects.

Alright. So for our first topic, let's discuss the solid waste solid waste services RFP. So I wanna start off with just giving everybody a background on this. So senate bill thirteen eighty three was adopted in 2016 and established a new statewide requirements for organic waste collection and diversion. Our current contract, which is with Republic Services, does not meet these requirements, and, basically, noncompliance could result in state penalties.

Due to failed negotiations with public services. The city currently is under a, s b thirteen eighty three correction plan. As part of this plan, the state required that the city prepare an RFP as a contingency in case those negotiations did not succeed. In in response, city council formed a solid waste ad hoc, committee to assess the current needs and help develop the RFP. The the committee identified, several key service priorities, including base including compliance with the state bill thirteen eighty three, potential senior discounts, bulky item pickups, and enhanced downtown maintenance among other items.

In September, city council approved the release of the RFP, and that went out in September, seventeenth. Proposals were actually due today. So they'll be evaluated, followed by interviews with staff expecting to come back to council in spring of next year, with recommendations on how to move forward. The goal is to have an agreement in place by 07/01/2027, which will keep the city in compliance and give the selected hauler about roughly a year to prepare before the contract goes into effect. Alright.

Moving on.

Just real quick. As of this morning, there was a potential of 10 companies submitting proposals. How many? I don't know actually submitted, but if that's really the case, that puts us in good shape for negotiations.

Yeah. To add to that, it was last time I spoke was roughly it was about 10. Don't know the final number, but it was about 10. Alright. Moving on.

So now I wanna touch on the subject of street lighting. So in the past, David has given some background on our current situation with street lighting. And just to touch on that, you know, much of the city streetlight infrastructure was designed, and installed several decades ago. So it's it's it's pretty outdated, to say the least. While SCE provides the power to our streetlight system, the city is, owns and maintains the poles, the fixtures, the conduit, the wiring from the SE power source to the transformers.

So one of the biggest challenges we have faced, is that portions of the system still operate in with an older high voltage series circuit, which depend on outdated SCE owned transformers that are no longer manufactured at scale. What does that mean? So that means when those components fail, it results in very prolonged outages. So what are we doing to try to address this issue that we're facing? So the the city has been exploring, solar street lighting as an alternative.

So one of the projects that I wanna highlight is, the Baton Bassincherry solar light, project, which was actually completed, last month. So the project involved converting 69 high voltage street lights along Bassincherry Circuit with the solar powered fixtures. The total project cost, and these are our cost, was approximately $244,000 with partial funding of coming from a federal grant and the remainder coming from our local funds. The fixtures were supplied by from Roche Lighting America and installed and completed by SASCO. This this, I would say that the project was successful, and it's fully operational.

If you ever wanna stop by and drive this area and see how these solar lights are actually operating and how much light they give out, I think you guys would be pleased.

So we did have a little ceremony, if you wanna call it that, out of the neighborhood. A lot of people showed up, and we've had shock you know, we're not we're not used to this. We're getting a lot of comp compliments. And people are very happy, obviously, that there is there is lighting out there. And, obviously, significantly different from the old, you know, amber looking lights that gave a gave a certain mood lighting out there versus the LED, which people feel a little bit safer through there.

I'll also comment that, you know, Fonroche is our anticipated vendor moving forward. Everything got vetted through City of LA Bureau Street Lighting. And so the UP Trail that's finishing up, we're using a different style of a solar light, but still from Fondroche. So we're trying to keep maintenance, warranties, everything throughout the city when we do solar lighting. And I think the solar line looks pretty good down the trail. So it's nice when you put it up. It works right away. It's nice.

Alright. With that being said Real quick. Question?

What's the life expectancy of the battery? Like, how many years?

They say ten. So then you gotta replace everything. So, yeah, it's the downside to solar. Obviously, it's not a one and done cost. You have to, you know, save up because you're now going to have a significant number of

batteries that can fail. Present under a ten year warranty, or is it just ten years expected?

There I I think it's a warranty, but don't quote me on that.

Got it. And then do you know what Kelvin scale they sit at? I know it's very

Typically, all our street lights, we want at 5,000. That that right? Now have we done that with these? I don't recall. I know that we were looking at residential being a little bit less and the arterial is probably at five. So I will I will backpedal on that a little bit by saying I think the arterial is at a five and the residential is maybe at four.

I think the state of California did a or maybe it was a the feds did a study that that was actually more blinding than they were hoping 3,500 to 4,200 more of a Kelvin light because it's better for the human eye.

Yeah. I I will say that when I was out there for Bass and Cherry, it wasn't blinding. So unlikely it was you know, there's one in my neighborhood that we put up, I think, a five. It's it's an in an intersection residential. Man, the intersection, you can see everything that's going on.

Right. So

So just something to keep in mind when you guys are talking to people about it because that is the right scale. I think 42 yeah. It was 3,500 to 4,200 is what they recommended across the board. And I think they're gonna start mandating that federally through DOT at some point. So better do it now. And last question on that is, so those are ten year expected. So what happens, like, this week where it's constantly raining?

So they do say that, supposedly, they get enough charging that it can last two nights. Okay. Nothing's foolproof, unfortunately. Thank you very much.

Alright. So moving on to the next topic, I'm gonna hand it over to David.

Okay. Let's see what we're talking about. Okay. Accessibility improvements. I think you you all remember from the budget, we do have an annual CIP project, which is I call the home project.

We put some money in every year to try and address, accessibility throughout the city other than our typical curb ramps and sidewalk repairs, as part of street projects. So this year, what we're doing, we actually contracted with the consultant that did our transition plan, and the attempt there is to try to move us forward with our paperwork. Essentially, what falls under our self evaluation. Do we have, you know, working on our website, working on our agendas? Are we providing the options and the the needs and everything is written in a way that provides you know, meets accessibility?

So we're going through that. Do we have the procedures? Do we have the policy? So we're working through that this year. It's interesting for sure, what you have to have and what we're what we don't have, so to speak, or not up to date. So we're working through that. That's kinda nice. They're all it's also a good sounding board for us, especially for me when we go through projects, making sure that working in the right direction, doing things in the right direction. Other projects that we're working on is updating all our signage in our parking lots. We're gonna kinda do it step by step all our ADA stalls.

The signage is the first move, and then we'll be looking to doing the actual you know, if we need to adjust the slopes of the parking stalls, we'll be doing that. We'll be doing in the downtown parking lot near the transportation center. We're gonna rehab that, so we'll be addressing the noncompliant ADA stalls that are there. And so we'll be addressing all of that. Facilities, we've done some push button openers at the library and at city hall.

So we're trying to really spread it out as much as we can and address things, not just the sidewalks and the curb ramps on the streets. It's a it's a lot of work. It's never gonna end, for sure, but we're we're trying to slowly tick some of the boxes as we move along. Alright.

So for our last topic, I'd like to close on update on some of the grant applications. As you know, the city actively pursues opportunities, to support our infrastructure needs. I just wanna highlight a couple projects, that we recently submitted applications for. City applied for a SCAG funding for fiscal year twenty twenty six to twenty eight through the STBG and CMAQ programs. The two projects that were submitted were Euclid between SR 91 Freeway to Valencia Drive.

It's approximately one mile. This this roadway segment has a PCI score that ranges from 53 to 60, which is overall considered in poor condition. The second project that we applied for within the same application is along Yorba Linda Boulevard. So this is between State College all the way to Bradford Avenue. Also about one mile long stretch, PCI scores right here were lower.

This is 20 I 28 to 39, which is in the very poor category. So both of these projects included, pavement rehab, ADA upgrades, concrete repairs, traffic signal improvements, and other enhancements. So I think this year, with this project, or this call for applications, one of the biggest difference was that I think, OCTA was looking for for roadway rehab projects more applicable for that aspect. So we thought these two segments were very good candidates. So the application was submitted back in May.

And, actually, earlier this month, we received notification, some news. So both projects were either recommended were highly recommended or rec or or, or recommended to move forward. However, although we did receive positive news, with these recommendations, Only the projects were recommended to be funded partially funded, basically, for only design when applications were only when applications were provided for both design and construction, phases. So while it's good news, it's a bit disappointing. So now we're currently evaluating what our next steps are with this partial funding and what that means, since, ultimately, it would only cover potentially only design.

So it presents some challenges to say the least. So another project that you heard about last month or grant application, sorry, was the application to for project o. This is Bats

and Jerry

Whining. So last month, this was presented. INREC supported the application. Submittal went to council. Council approved.

So we actually submitted the application last week. So right now, we're hanging tight, waiting for news. When it comes back to us, we'll we'll keep you guys updated and expected to know maybe sometime early next year or so. Last grant application that I just wanted to bring up is Cal Recycle rubberized pavement grant, which basically funds projects using that use rubberized asphalt. So staff identified three projects.

One is State College Boulevard, Nutwood Avenue, and Harbor Boulevard, all of which are currently in design right now. So if awarded, we'll receive approximately a $161,000 on supplemental funding. So we'll we'll hopefully hear hear from them soon, either late this year or early next year. Although it's not a lot of money per se for the amount of pavement that we'll be doing, some money is better than no money, I would say. So anything else on that?

So with that, I'll leave it up. I'll open it up for questions, comments, or concerns.

Thank you. I'll start it off with a quick comment. I was driving on Yorba Linda Boulevard, and I saw that Caltrans, added a little asphalt to their bridge. And that transition slightly smoother. And then you hit, I guess, the part that we're responsible for. So, man, that's that is gonna be pricey, and I get it. And it needs it really, really bad. Actually, they all do, but that one was definitely bad. Alright. This someone in the store on my left, member Molina, any comments, questions?

Yes, chair. Going back to solid waste management, can you please educate me on what does RFP stands for? And secondly, as far as the SP one three eight three is concerned, I have the impression that this is only for, residential waste. Does this also include waste generated by construction? Are we going to manage them also?

Okay. RFP is request for proposals.

Mhmm. Okay. Alright.

Now I am absolutely not an expert on s b, thirteen eighty three, and I'm I think construction is handled separately. I know that we already have had for a number of years. Anytime someone pulls a building permit, they are required to sign a form that says and provide documentation at the end of the project to get their permit finalized, how they've recycled

Correct.

Construction materials, and or used our current hauler. If they use the current hauler, it's automatic. I believe the I can't remember whether it's the residential or the the restaurant industry have been they've been pushing for the organics first. I can't remember which one goes first. I know some of the restaurants are aware of it, but I don't know it's been implemented or a requirement yet. So it maybe the residential is coming first as far as the organic requirements. So there's an article today I saw in in LA. People are very upset that they've just been handed a whole bunch of green bins, and they don't know where to put them. So they're all piled up on the curb. So we're you know, it's it's everywhere in California now.

It's it's the time where everyone has to roll it out and start implementing in the residential side of it.

Okay.

And and and sorry. And just to say, we when we do, we've reconstructed a few trash enclosures. Mhmm. And we've we've planned for these bins, the organic bins as part of those reconstructions. So it's they're they're all coming very, very close behind each other.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because my my only question is, I I know residentials are dealing are, you know, producing a lot of this waste. But also, on the other hand, construction is also producing,

you know, a lot a

lot of this waste. Hopefully, we're not, you know, neglecting them and we're recycling them.

Yeah. I mean, think it's a little different. You know, the the latest stuff is organic, so it's your food waste. Okay. The residentials is intended to go in what we would consider a brown bin. Mhmm. But the the res the the the commercial, obviously, they gotta get a separate bin and try and put it in the separate bin in the in the trash enclosures. Construction is probably the biggest driver of waste. Mhmm. So that is is is separate from, I believe, from s b thirteen eighty three, but it's been around for a while, the the requirement to recycle. Okay.

Thank you.

Mhmm. Thank you. Member sergeant. No comment? Vice chair Tuna.

On the solid waste, I did have a question. Yeah. So as far as republic goes, am I right in understanding that it's their reason that we are not up to standards with s b thirteen eighty three?

Or No. No. I wouldn't say it's their reason. No. What happens, we had a contract that had a certain length to it. SB thirteen eighty three came in while that contract was in place, so you can't foresee the future. Negotiations took place to try and modify the contract. Those negotiations have failed to be positive for lack of a better term. And so because of the requirements, we came into an agreement with the state that if you don't have a complying agreement in place by the state, you now have to go out to RFP, which is what we did.

Okay. That that that's basically what I clarify that they weren't underserving us in some capacity and, like, owed us financially. Nope.

But okay.

Perfect. Thank you. That was it.

Thank you. Member Klingenberg.

Nope. My questions were answered.

Thank you. Member Bergwaja?

No. Thank you.

Alright. This I think we need to take public comment on it. Any member of the public? Nope. And nobody's here. Alright. We'll move on. This one is, gonna be deemed to received and filed unless there's objection. And we'll move on to, item four, the infrastructure report data sheets.

Alright. Moving on to our next topic. I wanna bring this item for discussion, hopefully, direction regarding our infrastructure data sheets. So as you remember earlier this year, we have set an initial plan to update all our existing infrastructure data sheets, that were included as part of the infrastructure report. We discussed, you know, this was a way for us to modernize our information, improve clarity, around our asset conditions, funding needs, and long term planning.

So over the last several months, we've we've been work we've been working, to try to update these sheets. And what I wanna do is I wanna on my screen, what you see is a draft infrastructure data sheet that was previously brought forward, which included the streets. Right? As you can see, it includes a lot of information. It has detailed PCI scores, multiple categories, treatment tables, cost per mile estimates, funding sources, summaries, and annual strategy recommendations.

So it's it's without saying it's it's highly technical and requires significant amount of time, and analysis to prepare accurately. So given our workload and very full indirect agenda over the next six months with continuing items, I don't see how this would be practical moving forward in this in this approach. So right now, the information we provide is not easy for the average resident, I would say, to fully understand. It's a lot to digest. You know, it's long, detailed technical, and I think it's very difficult for the use of the for public outreach.

I think with, important funding decisions that are coming up, I think it's more critical than ever for residents to have access to clear digestible informed choices, information. Sorry. So our goal is to provide simple, I would say, factual summaries, that are directly useful for public education to help residents make more informed choices about these decisions. And as I see it right now, these technical sheets just don't meet that. So what we're proposing is a simplified, more brochure style one page fact sheet for each asset category.

I think this would include categories such as what the asset is, why it matters to the residents, more of a higher level, current condition, short summaries of the needs, something simple enough that we could hand out at community meetings, post online, put it on our web page, or use for outreach efforts. I think this gives the public the information they need without overwhelming them with too much technical and verbiage with these what our current data sheets have. So tonight, what I'm requesting is your input. I would like, you know, ideally, to get your support in this approach to to pivot from what we were anticipating on doing to this more simplified format. I think if we decide to move forward in this effort, you know, we could prepare a new draft of what the simplified brochure style fact sheet could look like, bring it back to your review, and definitely appreciate your guidance on this, you know, so that it better supports our communication with the residents.

So a couple things is this. We can look at it in three ways. You can either, no, stick with what we're doing, scrap it completely, or pivot to something. And I I kinda brought this up to one because I've talked about it before. How do we educate the public?

And maybe this is a way of providing some information that helps educate the public. We talk about a lot of very technical items, and I've done in the past, I've done some some presentations and had some meetings with the general public, small groups. And I think once you have that information, they're willing to absorb it, and it does help answer a lot of questions and make them realize that it's more than what they see on the Nextdoor app, so to speak, which always frustrates me when I get to be told of what they're saying. So I we just wanna throw out there as a conversation. You know, beginning in January, we have our regular agenda items, so we're gonna be kind of booked for a while.

So that that was the other part of this is we felt like we were spinning our wheels. We weren't really gonna make a lot of progress with these updates because we we have a lot of agenda items, and we weren't weren't weren't really making any progress. So we just thought, let's open it up, see if you guys have any thoughts.

Fair enough. You know, the data sheets were never created for public outreach. It was, really created because I think you, your team, and this committee and council had asked a lot of questions. And to be able to answer those questions, you had to compile a lot of data. And that was a result of a lot of meetings over, I think, multiple years.

So, I'll start off by saying I'm okay with change. I don't have any problem with if you think that it's heavily, burdensome for staff to work on, I get that, and I would agree. It is a burden. What I'd be cautious about is as we go forward, we don't wanna lose how we formulated those old data sheets. The reason being, those questions will come up, and they will need to be answered. So, you know, you can answer me now or you can answer me later. I'm gonna need an answer. And so where do you get that data? And so you gotta think about that, as a public outreach tool. You know?

Maybe as a result of this, we have a summary for each thing that and that summary is is the outreach portion. And then the data sheet is something that, you know, you just manage. And I think along with, you know, a general asset management application, would you would put this information into that asset management software, and that would be part of the management of it. And you would be able to extract that out. I'm talking a little off the cuff here. I'll open it up to my committee members. Start on my right. Start with member Bergwaja. Member Klingberg. Vice chair.

I just kind of agree with the chair. I'm all for accessibility of this information to the public, but at the cost of kind of obfuscating the direct line to detail, that's a risk that probably isn't worth it because as you said, we're gonna be asking questions regardless. And some people will have very detailed, you know, insights as well that they wanna have, information for. So all for some change and some top level summaries. But, I mean, without really, like, even an example of how we would be translating these data sheets, I really don't feel like I can give an awful lot of feedback at this moment.

Alright. Member Sergeant? Alright. Member Molina?

All I can think of is, you know, make it less technical as as much as possible. Make it such a point that the people or the person, the resident is just reading like a newspaper. That my my my my idea is if a 10 year old can understand it, I can understand it. So don't assume that everybody is at your level, technical level, and keep it simple. That's all I can think of.

No, that's great. I mean, I think initially we're just wanting your feedback as to whether you're open to making some modifications. And it's gonna be an iterative process. Right?

Absolutely. It took us a long time to get to that point with the data sheets. I mean, we we kinda went all over the place with how to and and honestly, it's it's probably fifteen years of of well, okay. Maybe not quite fifteen, but, you know, many years, at least a decade of gentle, you know, modifications as we went, you know, from having nothing and kinda scratching our head. You know, all we had was essentially a budget report, and we'd look at that and go, yeah. What is this thing on here? And you go, I let me look it up. Yeah. And you'd look it up and find out is this, you know, a project. So we've come a long ways. I don't wanna lose that, but I understand the need for for digestible material.

I I like the idea of, you know, we have the technical stuff in the background, and then we present it in a more simplified, hopefully, more educational manner to the public.

Yeah. I you know, a brief narrative.

Right.

I think that tells the story, also exhibits. So when you talk about a project, where is it? I think that helps.

Yeah.

So brief narrative and a pretty picture. Big picture, small words?

Big picture. That's always the way. Right?

Alright. Any other comments before we open up to public comment?

Or you can probably put the title infrastructure report for dummies.

Now. Now. I don't

think yeah. That's

Alright. Let's see. Do we attempt to take public comments? There's nobody here. Is there anybody online? Nobody online. Alright. Well, with that, it's I think we've provided some direction, so we'll move on to CIP project status, our favorite item of the night, and we'll get an update. Juan, take it away.

The favorite item of every NREC meeting. Alright. So let's start off with just a couple street projects that are currently in design. I wanna highlight one of this these one of these projects. This is project four, which is Harbor Boulevard. Just some background on this. It's, this was a, it's a grant funded project, Complete Streets. This earlier this month, council approved a professional services agreement of approximately two. Project oh, two. Sorry.

Thank you, David. Project two, not project four. So council, earlier this month, approved the award of a professional services agreement of approximately $900,000 to Doken Engineering, to perform design services, to design this this project. This includes environmental clearance, plant specs, and estimates, full PSNE package for the project. So just to give some background on what the project entails, the project will allow for, obviously, pavement rehab, enhanced buffer class two, and class four bikeways, as well as sidewalk improvements to close missing gaps, on both sides of harbor.

The project limits are about from Valley View all the way to Valencia Mesa. There's also enhanced traffic transit stops, ADA compliant upgrades, street lighting, new center medians proposed, landscaping, and a signalized intersection intersection at at Brea Brea Dam, park entrance, which will facilitate access to park visitors and Golfers Paradise patrons and cyclists, you know, through the loop trail. So this is a, we are going from a three lane in each direction to a two lane in each direction, you know, to accommodate, you know, these bike lanes and these sidewalks.

Where is that exactly?

This is a long harbor from Valley View Drive It's Brea, basically. To Valencia Mesa passenger. Yeah. Where the fork is. So so design is expected to, go all the way through a full year, and anticipated for construction in twenty twenty twenty seven, 2027.

Let me just throw a couple things out here. I know projects five and three have been on the map for a while. Project three, we're waiting for Caltrans because we have federal funding in this project. We got real we fought for and reallocated the savings from the under the railroad under crossing project. So federal funds are good and bad. So we're waiting for we've been waiting, I don't know, nine months for them to review the environmental. It's insane. So that project keeps getting delayed and delayed and delayed. Project five was has been delayed just because of the water main projects. One of the water main projects is in construction now, so hopefully, we'll get that.

All the others, we're gonna have a busy spring and summer. So, you know, I've been getting on Juan's back, so he's been getting all the engineers back to get all these projects out. So, obviously, we don't wanna construct during this time of year for obvious reasons. So we will have quite a bit of work going on in the summer, which is the plan.

I thought there was a goal could you go back a slide? I thought there was a goal to try and get number 10 done this year,

Twilight. It will. It will be done in

the summer. I I meant in '25, but you're saying 2526 will be

That was my goal. Yeah. That didn't quite happen.

Okay. No comment. Next slide, please.

Alright. So moving on to water projects. I wanna highlight one project, which is project five. This is new to this list and map. This is Fairway Village area, which is just North Of Bassen Cherry and East Of Harbor. So the project includes approximately two miles of water main replacement. Design is anticipated to be complete by spring of next year, with the goal to start construction in 2026. So

Question on that. Is there any way, and I'm sure there is, but practical way, to re to give that water system to the residents. I mean, after we replace it, I realize that, k, we we've collected money. We're on the hook. We're gonna replace it.

But Tough one. That's a very tough one because now you'd do you have a master meter for all of that? And then they had they sub meter behind, which is typically what we do for at least smaller developments. We ask them

to do You could. You know, city can put a great big meter on

that. It would be a very big meter and then fire flows and everything under the sun. It would be nice. We try to whenever there there is a there's a line with how big a development is that you can make that happen. But we we try to obviously give them their ownership as much as we possibly can.

Okay. But I'd ask.

And just so that's an HOA, so we don't have to pave those streets when we're

done. Yeah. Okay.

So I know with more recent developments, you know, it is condition that they install privately owned water main, on-site. So that is something that is happening. Fortunately, I don't know when this was developed. So back then, different rules, requirements, conditions. Alright.

So moving on to the next slide. This is where we have several projects that have, are either in award or construction phase. So right now, we currently have a lot of water projects that are happening. So one of the two projects that I would like to highlight is project 3, Skyline Raymond area, and Project 9, Courtney Ash area. So for Skyline Raymond area, this will replace roughly about 1.7, sorry.

Yeah. 1.7 miles of old cast iron, water pipe. So contract was awarded to All Cities Engineering. Construction contract is approximately 2,650,000.00, and it's anticipated to be completed by May. Project nine, this will replace approximately 1.1 miles of old water main pipe. This contract was awarded to Williams Williams pipeline contractors, with the cost, construction cost of about 1,500,000.0. This is also anticipated to be completed in April, May.

Well, I don't know if there's a fun fact, but I don't know what else to call it. Project three, I don't know if anyone's driven up on Skyline. It's a rural road. It's very narrow. You would think there's one eight inch water main up there. No. We've got two big transmission mains because it's feeding from a reservoir, so it's feeding different zones. So we have a narrow road. We have two pipes we have to keep active and install two new pipes. It is tricky to say the least. And we actually during the day, we actually have to shut the road down to the public. So we have actually have room to to work in there. So far, so good.

Alright. Moving on to some miscellaneous CAP projects. Maybe I'll retouch on the airport tower renovation. I know Brandon talked about it previously. But, you know, this is just to go into deeper depth.

It's it involves window seal improvements, a new signage in front of the building, painting, reflooring, at the tower, hangar. So we we put the project out for bid. We received four bids, with Koala Construction submitted the lowest responsible bid. It is going in front of council tomorrow for award of the construction contract. It is anticipated that they'll start construction sometime, early next year, weather permitted. Join.

And I would say for storm drain, it's that time of year. I how would I shoot myself in the foot here? So far, so good as we can expect it. We are videoing more. We are finding more problems. Hopefully, we don't have any emergency repairs, but storm drain repair is going to be a big, big issue and a challenge for us. Alright.

Moving on to other miscellaneous CAP projects. I I would like to highlight a few here. Some of that are in construction. UB trail phase two. We're coming close to completion. I would say, we could see the light the tunnel. If you haven't driven by out there, you know, you could clearly see the trail already. It's been paved. A lot of the landscaping has already been done. Solar lighting's there installed.

So I think it's it's wrapping up. So I would say, you know, again, depending on how much rain we get in the next couple weeks, I would say we should be done sometime in early December, mid December, to say the least. UP Park, that's another project just right adjacent to the trail that is under construction as well. They've they've done a lot of the hardscape improvements. Still need have some remaining, but I also think that, you know, pretty similar timelines as UB Trail.

It's a smaller project. They'll probably end around the same time. The last project, a lot of park parks projects is Lions Field turf replacement. So that actually just started up last week. So if you haven't driven by there, Lions Field is located along Brea Boulevard, and this is just next to Lemon Street as well and Hillcrest Park. So as you can see, it's it's gonna be a full removal and replacement of the turf. So

How old is that turf?

Twelve years. It's three to four years beyond what we should have done. You know, obviously, this is not the best time of year to do that type of work, but trying to fit in the six weeks of work around the community groups using. We are just doing our best and hoping it doesn't rain too much.

Yeah. So today's point, there's there's a lot of programs there, you know, youth, adults, leagues. So it's one of the highly more mostly used turf fields here in Fullerton. So like David said, it may not be the best timing, but to try to fit it with all the different programs, you know, it's it's we're trying to do the best we can so that they could also finish the project so it lines up with with all the different programs that are already scheduled. Right? So so, again, it's it's we'll see how much rain we get. Hopefully, it doesn't delay the project too much, and we're able to meet some of these dates.

Do we do we charge people to use the Lions Field if they play baseball there? I know there's a baseball field there or softball field.

So Parks and Rec manages, all our parks and the activities there. I do believe and then probably can be corrected. The leagues are charged a fee, I believe. Mhmm. I don't know what it is. I don't know how it's programmed, but, yeah, it's not free for leagues.

And those parks aren't, generally speaking, I'm gonna say, open to the public for use of those fields. Those are kinda restricted kinda like the sports complex. I mean, you might be able to get onto a baseball field that's open or a soccer field that's open. But

It's a very limited time.

Yeah. Yep.

Right. Yes. Sorry. Member of Bardwaja.

Hey. So this is just from what I heard in, you know, mainstream media. But so a lot of fields are taking out turf for some reason and putting in grass again. And I don't remember the stipulations why they're doing that, something to do with either heck, I don't remember. But is there are they going to be doing that with any of our turf fields like this one or any other one?

I'm trying to remember how many turf fields we have. I think this is our only artificial turf field. So because of the use it gets, it's you know, we we would have dirt, not grass, pretty much the entire time.

That's why I was wondering because I I I just heard a lot of municipalities are now tearing out their turf for different reasons. It wasn't environmentally sound or something, created more issues than it solved.

I I think there's always pros and cons to everything. You know, newer technology is better. Older technology, people can start, you know, pointing fingers at it whether it's true or not. Okay.

That's up for debate. Okay. Thank you. Alright.

Onto our last slide just for staffing updates. Just to give an update on the civil engineer under the CIP division, There has been some progress. We actually held interviews last week for this is the first round of interviews to make the eligibility list. Next round would be second second interviews. So if it all works out, we'll see where we're at, beginning of, next year.

And as far as any updates on staffing, that's pretty much it. Looks that was it all for me. So if I open it up for any comments, questions, concerns.

Any comments, questions from the committee? I think you've already received our comments as we went through it. Any member of the public online? Nobody's online. Nobody's here. Alright. Rain kept them away. I'm gonna deem this received and filed unless there's objection, and we will move on to staff committee commute committee communication. And we'll start with mister Grantham, whose hand is up.

So, if you recall at the beginning of the year, I kinda put out the expected dates for meetings, and I always indicate that December is questionable. So the next the next meeting is December is a week before the Christmas week. So I guess I can throw it out to the committee as to whether, we'll have people and whether, you know, we're to, to cancel it if so if we so wish. Is that a hint?

I don't know what you're talking about.

Merry Christmas, president.

Merry Christmas.

I'm okay either way.

Typically, we cancel it. I can talk with you separately.

Yeah. No. I think If

you would like.

I I think what we've done is we decide that we will cancel it unless something urgent comes up. And then you cancel it the week before if nothing comes up.

That's that works for us.

And if there's no objection, that'll be the plan for December. Okay. Alright. I don't hear any objections, so that's the plan going forward.

That's it for me.

What? That's it,

You really don't wanna hear

me talk. Alright. Any other staff committee communications?

Yep. Just one thing. It's not really communication, but, you know what? I I know that we don't really do recognition much for our committee members. You know, I'm always complimenting staff and all that. But I just wanted to say, you know, last time Greg mentioned something, how long he's been working with Citi, you know, stuff. And by my calculation, I I I thought it was twenty years, give or take.

Maybe within a month or so.

So, you know, with with that being said, I I went ahead and got you a little present. Because I think, you know what? That deserves something.

Wow. Well, thank you.

Well, thank you.

That night. Right. Like I said, I appreciate what Greg's done for this community. Absolutely.

Well, thank you very much, member Bardwaja. Very much appreciate it. That is beautiful. Member sergeant. Yeah. I had

a question about the artificial turf because my company does the artificial turf. Have we, done any research to find out there are some companies that do it more lengthy warranties on the turf. Are you using, like, Tiger turf? Who are you using?

I got don't recall who the manufacturer is. I know we went to three different companies through the cooperative agreements, portal. I believe they are all, I think, at least a ten year warranty on it.

That's that's pretty standard ten, but I know that that Diamond

I I think, yeah, I think part of it is we need to do apples to apples comparison so we get apples to apples bits and, you know, and and within the budget.

So I just thought maybe it might be worth us to see if we could get a little I mean, I do a lot of it, and it's so expensive. Saves a lot of money on water and and maintenance. It's fantastic. Been doing it for fifteen years. But to go in there and redo it every 10 is really expensive.

It is. Hopefully, you know, if we put in the effort to do maintenance on a regular basis, we can get a little more a few more years out of it for sure.

Thank

you. I do have one more item when the rest of the committee is finished.

Any other comments or questions from the committee? Alright. Looks like they're almost wrapped up.

Alright. So just a reminder, tomorrow at 04:00 is we will be presenting the water rate study to council. Greg, on behalf of the committee, will is planning to speak. Obviously, all the committee members are still welcome to attend. If you would like to make a comment, you have to do it as a resident, not as a committee member.

Now that'd be at 4PM, or that'd at

the It's at 4PM. So study session is at 4PM before council regular council meeting.

Yep. So I'll be making my remarks at that time. I will say and invite you to if you want to be there and you want to, stand with me, I'm well. I welcome that. You're all welcome to join, but we can't all talk as the committee, so I will take on that, effort. Alright. If there are no other comments or questions, I will say I wish all of you a very happy Thanksgiving and a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year in case I don't see you before then. And if you celebrate anything else, happy that too, and, we'll see you around.

Thank Short and sweet.