Active Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Is that on? Okay. There we go. Member Tuna? Present. Member Klingsberg?

Present.

Member Molina?

Present.

Member Seaborne?

I am here.

And member Sarvis?

Here.

Thank you. If there's no objection, I'm gonna, be acting as our official to keep this meeting moving and, meet some of the deadlines that we have. Is there any objection? No objection. Okay. Thank you. Open it up to public comments. Any member of the public wishing to speak?

It's online.

No one online. I don't think our employees wanna get up and do public comments right now. We'll close public comments, move to the consent calendar. The only item is the minutes from March 16. I'd entertain a motion.

I'll motion to approve.

Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? Alright. Take a roll call on that.

Chair sergeant absent, vice chair Bartwaja absent. Member Tuna? Aye. Member Klingsberg?

Aye.

Member Molina?

Aye.

Member Seaborne?

Aye.

And member Sarvis?

Yes.

Alright. Thank you. We'll now move on to the regular business item two, measure m, maintenance of effort, MOE requirements.

Alright. Thank you everybody for joining. So good afternoon. Today, I'll provide a brief update on the OCTA, Orange County Transportation Authority, Measure m two program, specifically the updated maintenance of effort benchmark that becomes effective next fiscal year 2026 through 2029. We'll cover what Measure m two is, how the revenues flow to the city, what the updated MOE means, and how it affects our budgeting for the next upcoming fiscal year and future ones.

So measure m two is Orange County's border approved half cent transportation sales tax. This program is administered by OCTA, and funds are distributed to cities on an annual basis. These funds are restricted and can only be used for transportation eligible purposes. This generally includes streets, maintenance, operations, rehab, and other improvements within the public right of way. Our annual allocation is based on OCTA's formula, which considers population, street mileage, and taxable cells cells.

To continue to receive these funds, the city must meet a number of program eligibility requirements. You could see a full list on the right hand side of the presentation, pretty extensive, where I could highlight a couple. You know, we need to have a capital improvement program, maintenance of effort requirement, which is what we're gonna talk about today, PMP, the pavement management plan, annual eligibility and reporting of submittals and then reports. So the item that we're gonna focus on tonight is, for m two eligibility funds is to maintain a baseline of, level of discretionary spending on streets, which typically comes from general funds or other nonrestricted revenues. OCTA recalculates the MOE requirement or benchmark every three years.

The adjustment formula is based on inflation and construction costs and capped by general fund revenue growth over the same period. In short, as construction costs and city revenues increase, so does the required MOE benchmark, as well. So just keep in mind, this, this requirement prevent prevent Citi from reducing local funding and replacing it with m $2. So here's how Fullerton's MOE has trended over the last, three cycles, I would say. Our previous benchmark was approximately 4,900,000.

This new benchmark effective next fiscal year 2026 to '27 through '28, '29 increases to approximately 5,900,000. So that's about a 19.9 increase, roughly about a million dollars increase. So the the the increase reflects higher construction costs over the last three years as well as the growth in city's revenue. This race benchmark directly impacts all discretionary funding. We must budget towards street each year.

So in order to meet the new MOE benchmark, we're proposing on using a mix of general fund and infrastructure fund dollars in both maintenance operations and our annual street, program. So this totals to about 6,500,000, you know, giving us about 660 k buffer above the MOE benchmark. So this buffer is important not because not all budgeted dollars can get spent. CIP budgets usually include contingencies, and actual expenditures could come in lower after budgeted. This also protects us in case o OCTA later deem certain costs not eligible, during the audit or an audit.

So it's important to note that the funding levels also are not finalized. We estimate needing at least half $1,000,000 from general funds to support the and ensure MOE compliance. However, the city's general fund remains strained. If if general fund CIP contribution inter reduced or it becomes zero general fund, it'll really create some significant challenges, in meeting the MOE. Wouldn't give us much room.

So that surplus of $6.60, take away the half million gives you about, you know, a 150, 160 left. So be tight. We're also allocating 3,500,000 in infrastructure funds. It's gonna help our streets program, but it also means feared dollars towards other, programs such as facilities, parks, storm drain, you name it. So while this approach meets the MOE, it requires careful balancing of our discretionary, funds limited.

So that concludes, this first item. So I'll open it up for any questions, comments

Thank you.

The public.

Alright. Committee members, any questions? Any comments?

Does that $500,000 account for the entire contribution that we're making from the general fund?

For CAP, yes. Yeah. So last year, similar to this year, we're proposing half $1,000,000 from general funds towards CAP, towards street.

So what are the implications then of not meeting this requirement? If you're we're gonna shrink that surplus down to, say, a $150,000 if the general fund contribution is removed?

What are you

going what what tools do you have to be flexible with that? Or do we need to stress this to city council, the importance of preserving this 500,000?

In my opinion, we will 500 is the minimum that we're requesting. The more we get, the better. However, we're still working through those numbers and see what gets allocated. What that means if we don't meet our MOE, it means that we could be subject on our receiving measure m to funding, which I think I forgot what city it was that I think they they were audited. In Buena Park. Huntington Beach. Buena Park. Yeah. So they lost their funding for about I don't know if it's three years or five years, but they end up losing it, and it gets put into some sort of an escrow account. So that that's what it means that we can't meet the MOE.

Huge. Yeah. Huge.

Thank you for clarifying

that. Yeah.

Okay. And any, at this time, we'll open it up to public comments on item number two. Any member of the public wishing to speak on it? We have a member of the public.

Many of you I served with. I have a question in regards to this, construction cost, index accounting for inflation, which obviously we've struggled with higher construction costs. Is there an increase in the CIP threshold? Is I think with COLA and things like that, it just seems natural that CIP budget, I don't think we can even get a bathroom done for 10 k. So this would greatly improve the speed of delivery and execution of projects.

Not all would have to now come before this body, and we could get things done. I just think that it's really interesting that that's accounted for, but I haven't seen anything in regards to an increase in the CIP threshold. Is that something that might be up for discussion? And who does that? Thank you.

Great question. Former member, what was that? Alright. I'll turn back to staff. Are you able to answer that?

Maturity went back down. To just to clarify, maybe can can you elaborate what you mean by CIP threshold? And

While she's walking up, I could explain a couple of things. So we have two two forms of bidding. One is informal and one is formal. So informal is is through guidelines. I don't know what that stands for. What's acronym for something? And they they did increase the thresholds of that. So for informal bidding, we can negotiate. I think it's $75,000 or or lower. You can negotiate with a preferred contractor. And if it's above that, you can go all the way up to $2.20, but you have to advertise everyone on that prequalified list. Oh. So that's a they did increase the threshold for informal bidding processes. But as far as, like, what we consider capitalized, I think it's still 25,000. So anything $25,000 or over is considered a capital improvement.

Okay. Okay. Did Great.

Does that answer your question?

Well, it does. But previously, we had a didn't we have a 10 k threshold prior?

I thought it was 25.

Right? 25? Because I know some of the the projects that would have to come before us, it was a really low threshold. And so Mhmm.

Yeah. It's it's 25, and that has to do with, administrative services and how they how they capitalize our investments to certain assets. Okay. So it's as far as I know it's always been '25. Okay. And I don't know how that was set or is set or how to change it. Okay. It's something we look into.

Okay. I know that we I I just remember that the threshold was particularly low.

I think '25 is still

a little low. Yeah. I

think it's hard to hear that. I mean, I you know, I just being a government contractor myself from the bidding process to InDesign to execution. I mean, I think that one of the things that we've that has come before us before is the fact that and I think that this is issue that happens with counsel as well, is the fact that you have people that are very upset about a specific issue and taking up with the council that didn't even make any of those decisions Mhmm. Or a city manager. So that could have been three city managers ago. Mhmm. I mean, I think that we've discussed

or three public works directors.

Or two or three public works directors. And so I I just I don't necessarily think that people, the, residents that aren't necessarily in this arena understand the long process that it takes from the idea, to its implementation. And so I just don't know if there's maybe some way that based with the increase in construction costs, we may be able to streamline it a little bit. I don't know. So I just happen to notice that you did that you did do that.

And I do think, obviously, this MOE benchmark requirement is going to is definitely gonna be a challenge, but, I mean, we have to be sold.

So we Yeah.

That's a good good comments. The informal bidding process is a really good platform for us to streamline projects. Mhmm. Anything that's under 220,000, doesn't come to counsel. So we can basically process that administratively, which saves a lot of time.

Mhmm.

It's just anything over that threshold or for using certain restricted fundings, it requires us to come to council for approval. So it just depends on where it falls in the purchasing policy and the dollar threshold of the project.

Well, and I think that we've had vetted preferable, you know, contractors that have Yeah. Decided We we've later later learned they're not all that preferable. Able. So

I hear you. I think there I think that 25 k came about from state law, and I think the law changed to allow for a larger amount, but it had to be through ordinance. But I'd love to just kinda clarify that maybe through, staff communication next time.

Yeah. We could take definitely take a at that.

Alright. If there's no further, members of the public online or present or not, so we'll go ahead and bring that back. This is receive and file. If there's no objection, we'll deem it received and filed. Now we'll move on to item three, draft fiscal year twenty twenty six, twenty seven CIP budget review part two of two.

Alright. So, yeah, this is a continuation of last month's CIP budget discussion for the upcoming fiscal year. So as mentioned last month, the CIP budget is composed of several sections. Tonight, we'll go over the remaining CIP sections will which would include, water, traffic, facilities maintenance, and parts and rec for the next upcoming fiscal year. So just a reminder on NREC's responsibilities.

As we go through each section, we welcome your comments, your questions, and recommendations. At the end of each section, the committee will vote, whether to support forwarding the portion of the CIP budget to the city council. Our goal is to receive the committee support to move the proposed budget forward so that it can be reviewed and considered by council, as part of the annual budget adoption process. That said, your role is advisory. If there are any items that the committee does not support, you are welcome to note that and provide the reasoning behind your recommendation or your comments.

With that, let's move on to opening up the CAP budget book. I'm gonna work through this. Does anybody have any questions before we get started? Nope. Alright.

Alright.

Let's kinda start here with, just looking at the overall comprehensive overview of the upcoming fiscal year and the dollar figures that we have budgeted. As mentioned, this is a continuation from last month. We'll be focusing on water, traffic, facilities, parks and rec, and I also update, on the street sections. I know we went over it last month, but I like to highlight a few changes that we had on there, this draft. So this is a draft, so just bear with us.

Things could change, as we work through this. So so what you see on your screen is the overall overview of the numbers and figures. As of today, you know, we have we're we're approximately, 2.8, I wanna say. Oh, shoot. This doesn't look right.

Let me take a look at if we have the latest and greatest. What? Bear with me. I know that this was updated, so just give me a second. Sorry.

Bear with me. I know that's not the latest. Here we go. Should be the latest. Alright.

Alright. Sorry about that. So total budget is close to, 29,000,000 proposed. So this is a decrease from last year. I believe last year was closer to, like, 32,000,000 or something like that.

So one thing to note here is that while we're seeing some increases in some funds, there's been reductions in others. One of the more significant one that you could probably see and compare from last year to this year is the amount of water funds that are going to CIP. Last year, I think we're closer to, like, 60,000,000. Now we're closer to 6 and a half that's going towards CIP. So I know our principal water engineer is gonna be presenting on the water CIP section, so you could elaborate more on on those details.

But just wanted to note that, as we're working through these, through this budget. But on the flip side, we've seen some increases. So for instance, we've seen an increase in infrastructure funds. Last year, we're closer to, I think, 2 and a half million. Now we're at 3.9. So we're expecting more of infrastructure and funding. So while it's good in certain aspects, it's a reduction in other ones. So and so let's, kind of go through this. So just an update on the streets projects. This is to the home project from last month.

So we updated the project list to include the Malvern Euclid infrastructure project. This is driven by sewer and water utility work, in that area. This wasn't included in last month's list, so we we just wanted to highlight that now it's included, as a proposed street project. Also, keep in mind that the allocation of inter infrastructure funds, which is fund 11. So we increased that from the last month's draft to this, went from 3.3 to 3,500,000 going towards streets.

And, again, this is to meet the new MOE benchmark that were required. So while it's good for streets, it's not so good for other programs that we were using, infrastructure funds for. So wanted to note that, again, this also assumes that we'll be receiving half $1,000,000 of general fund. So, you know, as we all know, the fund is tight. So as the number changes, you know, and the budget gets refined, we'll update this as needed. Aside from that, every everything else remained the same. So no more updates on the streets. I could open it up for any questions, comments on this section.

Questions or comments? Nope.

Alright. I know we voted on streets last month. Should we take another vote for this one? Or

I think we've provided the input, last time. I don't know that we need to provide additional input. There were no questions. I will ask our committee. Do you feel the need to vote?

Or do you think your vote from the last meeting still stands? Still stands?

I think it's

Yeah.

Alright. Thank you. Alright. So let's let's move on to the next section, which is the water system. And this one, our principal water and civil engineer, Tawley, he's he's gonna go over the proposed projects. Well, he'll walk you in very similar form as I've you know, we've been doing it project by project, and he could elaborate a little bit more of the next upcoming, proposed CIP budget, projects for next year. Let me just get to his water.

Good e good evening, community member. Thank you, Juan. Yeah. I just wanna elaborate a little bit more about the budget that, basically, my number, went down from 16,100,000 capital, project, CIP budget for twenty four twenty five twenty six and, for 2627 is gonna go down to 7,100,000. That is a lot of that has to do with the increased cost in water purchase costs, due to first inflation increases in pricing and then the heavy relying on MDOD water.

We, in April 2025, an additional well went down, which is Well 10. You probably heard about. And so out of last year, we also had to purchase empty water to replace the water that would have been pumping out of Well 10. We are in the process of trying to get Well 10 up and running with the temporary pre feed phos treatment plan going there. Hopefully we'll have that in operation by the end of summer.

So that's going on. We for for the previous year in 2425 we spent $21,000,000 in cost in purchased water combination of both MUD and OCWD water. In 2526 we're projected to spend $26,000,000 in purchase water costs. So that's a $5,000,000 increase in, just the purchase of water. For next year, because we will have some plans up in operation.

Kim two well should be up and running around August. We've got well eight up and running at the main plant. We should have Well seven a up and running again soon. So for 2627, we are we are budgeting $24,000,000 for the for the purchase water cost. That so that that would be more pumping from the the wells, but also taking account also increased cost from those agencies as well, you know, MBD and and NOCWD.

So as of right now, we have of the nine wells, we have four running. Kim one a, three a well well at the main plant, the Orp Airport well, which is the only well that doesn't require PFAS treatment at this time. And recently, we were able to get Well 8 up and running, connecting Well 8 to the North treatment plan. So we got additional water from Well 8. As I mentioned, Well 10 went down in April 2025.

So that's to summarize, why our budget our CIP budget went down from 16.1 to 7.1 on that. Should we go one by one on the, any questions or comment, or should I take it at the end?

We're pretty good about just jumping in if we have questions. Okay. You pausing to to check. So

so here, looking at the first, CIP project for water, This is the water main system replay replacement upgrade. We are budgeting $4,000,000 for next fiscal year. We are there are budget projects that are currently that was budget the last year that will is going in construction or will be going construction. So the good thing is things still be happening from money budgeted from last year that went through design and will be going in construction. But as far as the overall additional fund into the, CIP, budget, we'll be throwing in another $4,000,000, and that would cover the projects listed, Commonwealth case on from Acacia to Chapman, the Euclid and Malvern project.

I think that's an infrastructure improvement project. Right?

Yep.

And the Harbor Boulevard, a complete street improvement project. So that's the $4,000,000 will help cover those costs. As far as the following fiscal year, as you've shown, the numbers we we expect with the wells going up, we will have more funding for a water infrastructure program, going from 6,000,000 the following fiscal year to 9 to $8.08 and so on. But we would still be short. The number I've shown, the $14,000,000 for fiscal year 2027, 2028, that's assuming that we can do what was proposed in the rate study that we present to you a few months back or maybe early last.

So we're hoping to do five to seven miles. So we would typically would need between 14,000,000 to $20,000,000 to do the seven miles that that we wish to do so that those are shown on the un unfunded role there. Hopefully, that makes sense. So to summarize, what's shown underwater fund, we we expect to have the funds for that based on, getting our wells up and running again, but we will still be short of funds to complete all the seven miles that we wish to complete, for the water, replacement projects.

Next one. This You know, I'm gonna pause you right there because I have, just remembered something that I heard in this room about maybe six months ago, and it related back to the water rates. And we were told that if we didn't get new water rates implemented that this would happen. And I think, I think now we've connected all the dots, and we're not spending money because we don't have it because we didn't adjust the rates. Okay. Sorry. I just you know, mental note.

The next one is the PFAS managements. And, oh, let me grab my note. This program is to fund the need to manage and treat PFAS. Additional fund may be needed due to more treatment plan coming online and frequency of maintenance and replacement of media and required for treatment. For fiscal year twenty six twenty seven, we're proposing $1,000,000 for the funds, plus, we recently received about half $1,000,000 from a settlement, that came to us from the responsible party paid for the, forever chemical, forever chemical contamination, in The US public system.

So overall, we will have a $1,500,000 budget for PFAS management. And beyond that, we expect, we are, assuming small increases throughout the next, four fiscal year, additional a $100,000 each year, added just for inflation purposes. There could potentially be more cost. We don't know yet. It depends on how often we have to replace the media, you know, on that.

And there is a cost share on on the media replacement with OCWD. Okay. Next one. This is the ongoing SCADA upgrade. The city's supervisor control and data acquisition system, other also known as SCADA, will need continuous maintenance and upgrade and is used to monitor control distribution of drinking water.

It is used to operate wells, pump, monitor tank, and levels, system pressure, water flow, and record historical data. The, we are proposing, half $1,000,000 for fiscal year twenty twenty six to continue to, manage and upgrade the SCADA system. After this year, we are projecting, you know, $400,000 each annual year, and that those numbers are very rough at this point. The next one, priority four is the, miscellaneous distribution improvement system. 250,000 is budgeted for 2627 to repair, replace valve, volts, large media, and other miscellaneous structure required to operate water and distribution system.

So, yeah, this will, add it to the funds for us to do, routine, maintenance and rep more replacement than maintenance, but replacement. For example, we are, we just recently put out a a valve replacement project to replace 12 valves with the upper optional four additional valve throughout our system, and it is gonna start construction in this month. But that was money budgeted previous year. So we're throwing additional money into that pot for the next contract that we will put out for future valve replacement. Project number five, upgrade and rehabilitation of City reservoir.

This program's upgrade and rehabilitate water reservoirs. Twenty six, twenty seven, city of Fulton will rehabilitate Tank farm two. That is the tank number two in the, in the I always get that mixed up. Tank farm, farm, tank, in the tank farm. So that work, the $400,000 is needed additionally to cover the engineering estimate to rehabilitate the, the, tank farm too at the we are currently estimating that to be around 1.8, 1,900,000.

We now have about, we previous budgeted and have about 1.5 in the pot. So we need the additional 400,000 to cover the balance. The 3,500,000, which is unfunded, shown as unfunded, will be needed for the upcoming rehabilitation, the Coyote Reservoir. Any questions? No.

And lastly, in the, for the budgeted project, Let me water well replacement. This, programs replace water well that have deteriorated beyond rehabilitation or impacted by mitigation of groundwater contamination. Proposed to budget 300,000 to for predesign of Well 16. Replacement of the existing Well 15 that is underperforming, having sanding issue. We're currently working with, Congo and Korea office to apply for a community project grant funding to obtain up to 1,200,000 for the predesign and design of Well 16.

Future funding will be required to fund the construction Well 16. Cost is estimated to be about 7,000,000 to $10,000,000 to construct Well 16. So what you see there, in the funded and funded project is basically water money thrown in the pot until we have enough to fund the construction of Well, Well 16. In the meantime, assuming we will we can get that funding from, cor congress Korea's office and the $300,000 we will be putting in the pot, we will start preliminary design and possibly get into the core of design, for Well 16, on that. We're, just to note, we're kinda temporarily calling it Well 16 right now.

We're not we weren't exactly sure what it called, but it is will be replacement for Well 15, the Kristap well. Any question? Those, those six are the, budgeted projects. I have four other projects that we should go through, right, that are that we, we are not funding for next fiscal year, but I wanna point out the importance, of those projects. So the next one is the abandon and removal of Well 12 A.

So this project's required per California State Department of Water Resource to assure that groundwater supply is protected and eliminate potential hazard. And that's that's why we need to abandon and remove Well 12 A. $300,000 proposed for fiscal year twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight to do that. Advanced meeting infrastructure, this is all unfunded. The $2,500,000 is what you you saw when we were came up to to you during the water rate study.

I believe that was five year of $2,500,000 each year to be able to get the our entire water system onto AMI. So this is this would be an unfunded, basically, a wish list. Next one is water production equipment, upgrade and rehabilitation. This program's repair, replace, and rehabilitate water production equipment and related site improvement. No funding is proposed for 2627.

Future funding will be needed for this project. And, we hope that once we get the wells up and running, we will have funding. Oh, actually, sorry. I'll take that back. It's shown under unfunded.

We're we're projecting that we'll be short on this. Sorry about that. It's, in the unfunded column. And the last one is the electric generator upgrades. This coming fiscal year, we will be installing emergency generator as La Palmas and Lagunas Pump Station.

Funding for this work was budget under fiscal year twenty four twenty five and 2526. No funding is requested for 2627. Additional funding request is planned for 2728 and 2829 to install emergency generators at Lower Acacia, Coyote,

and

Hermitage Pump Station. So the the funds that were, were, set for, the twenty four, twenty five, twenty five, twenty six is adequate to cover for the, for the two, generator station, the procurement of the generators, and the construction work at Las Palmas and Lagunas pump Station. I believe that's all I have. Any questions on

Many. Okay.

Please.

So adding these tallying these unfunded projects up in my head, it seems like there's more than 9,000,000, but I thought we were had a deficit of 9,000,000 for water. Like, there's a reduction in in projects.

No. We lash last year, we after we balance all our revenues and our expenditures, we, and then we took out money for operation and maintenance. Last fiscal year, we had $16,100,000 left for CIP. Mhmm. This coming year, after we do all that, we have $7,000,000 left for the CIP.

So that's why our CIP budget this year is only 7,000,000 instead of instead of 16. So that's where the 9 is. We we were not short of 9. We were were we have $9,000,000 less than previous year. Hopefully, answer your question.

And therefore, all of the unfunded should add up to about 9,000,000?

7,000,000. 7 Yeah. Point I'm not I'm sorry. The unfunded? No. This the all the projects

Am I trying to correlate numbers that shouldn't be correlated? For for next fiscal year hearing yes. So I'll I'll take

No. Let let me explain, let me explain that. I understand where you're coming from. The for fiscal year 2627, we are, all the funds proposed are funded. The unfunded ones are for the out years.

Okay. Yeah. So you're pushing that out and you're tallying it up and you're saying, well, hopefully, in a few years, we have some money that goes into this. But

Correct. What's what's what's for 2627, the $7,000,000 Gotcha. Should fund what we propose. Okay.

So just to add to that, I think, in grand scheme of things is, obviously, our our needs are exceed, right, the revenues that we're getting towards these to the water system, budgeted CIP for next year. So it it is somewhat of a if we have the money, this is what we would do with these different types of projects that we need to do. Right?

Yeah. No. We we've done that. I I remember we've done that with several other projects like

Yeah.

Some of the traffic systems. And, you know, we'll we'll put money into it, though we don't have a specific project that we're gonna be funding with the money this year.

Yeah. So to Todd's he's showing unfunded projects.

Okay. Thank you. And and just since since we're talking about that, for for the race study that was recently, presented, you know, we were saying that we we would need typically to do everything we wish to do. We're looking about $25,000,000 CIP annually, the plus increase, you know, inflationary increase. So so at 7,000,000, we're well short of the 25 that that's needed to do that, do all that work.

Thank you. Okay. Member tuna?

Yeah. So I just wanna clarify that it's making sense in my brain. So, like, the 16 to the 7.1, a lot of that is coming from, like, the, expected expenditures. Like, you're saying almost, like, $5,000,000 in just water cost alone. So it's more of the operational expenditures that are dropping the budget down to this. Right?

So we we we looked at, what we were, what we collected over the years in our expenditure and what's left. And then we also look at how much it would cost for next COVID year, the, all the expenditures and the revenues coming in, and we tally that up, and what's left is $7,000,000. You know? So so, so that's what but but luckily, like I've mentioned earlier on, we do have project carryover that will keep us busy through the through the fiscal year. So, for the next fiscal year, we'll be working on a lot of those projects that are carryover, that are budget from previous year, and finishing that those up.

Thank you. Member Molina?

Mhmm. Yeah. I my concern is more not on the financial aspect of this one, but I was looking at it trying to kind of squint my eye, and I saw there are some datas like SCADA's last maintenance was 2,008, and water wells ages are from 50 to 95 years old. If I am a resident of Fullerton, would I be concerned about that? Should I be drinking clean water? Is there a guarantee?

Yeah. We, our operation folk is constantly, marking the water to meet all the state and federal regulations. I am very fast positive that that you'll be drinking cleaning water because, like well 10, you know, we we we took well 10 off before it reached the what's that called, Steven? Help me out. The we there was a notification level. We we technically could still serve it, but because it was reaching a

Detectable level.

Yeah. We we we took the well down. The yeah. So so you should be drinking. You are

You are.

And will be drinking you

are drinking.

You're drinking clean water. You are and will be drinking clean water. So that's not a that's not a problem. The PFAS, as far as, if our wells are not pumping the the the situation, if our if we're not pumping our wells, we'll be buying water from MUD, and it's just gonna cost more. Well, we never will serve you backwater.

So I'll add to that. So the concern is not really surrounded around quality, but at the the resilience of our system as a whole. Mhmm. So a lot of our mains are are old. The infrastructure is old, the pumps, the reservoirs, everything else. So the risk of failure is greater. I think that's the where the concern should lie, not that the the quality of water would be bad. Because the quality of water, we it is a guarantee because it's tested, and we have to we have to comply with certain state and and local regulations.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Any other comments or questions? Member Sarfas?

Does the city put out a report on the quality of the water where the public could be ensured that the water is safe for them to drink?

I I I believe I'm sure we do. Yes. Yes. Every year. Yes. We do. Yes. Every year. I've seen in my city, and and, Fullerton puts it out. And, you know, and everywhere I've worked in the past, there's always an annual report on, what the citizens of, each citizens of each city is drinking water of.

Yeah. Thank you. Are I know that there is funding allocated for the PFAS projects, but has that been reduced in any way? Are you in other words, are there more PFAS projects that you would be doing if given the budget, or are we fully funding all of those?

You know, like I mentioned, we we are currently either operating a feed phos treatment plant or currently in construction of a plant. There's only one well that is right now pulling water that is untreated at this point. Actually, it would be two once we get Kristap well going. I think Kristap is not treated at this point. So Kristap is well 15 is currently down.

We're we're we're doing a a sand separator project there. And once that going, we'll have two plants. So those two wells possibly could, you know, in the future could have PFAS problem. But right now, the of this nine wells, seven will have PFAS treatment system. It's either have it already or in the process of getting one.

Can I can I add to that? So I'd say the short answer is no. So we rely on Orange County Water District. They're the ones that lead and fund the design and construction of all the PFAS treatment in Orange County for everyone that that utilizes the basin. So we don't we don't spend any capital costs to outfit our wells with PFAS treatment. We are responsible for half of the operation and maintenance. So if we had more money, we wouldn't be doing any more because Orange County Water District is taking lead. Does that make sense?

Yes. Thank you. If but if we had two more wells that you added to this program, what would what would the budget look like?

That that would be that would be cover under, like Stephen mentioned, that would be covered by OCWD. We we we still need to budget funds to, manage the, the building of the those, wells, but the the construction of those, new plant water treatment plants will be funded by OCWD.

Except for the operations and maintenance.

Half. Half of Yeah.

Half of it. Yeah.

So Understood.

And then we'd be buying less imported water and would actually be saving money.

Yes. Definitely. And, you know, right now.

Yeah. So so instead of a a costing, what we're doing is to lobby our position in line. Right? So we're competing against other Orange County agencies to see who can get their treatment the fastest. So it's the Santa Anas of the world, Yorba Linda Water District, Anaheim, and others.

And we're all in line in various stages of treatment for various well sites. So we're coordinating very closely with Orange County Water District to try to get those wells fitted and back online as soon as possible. But it's a long list, and it's a very costly endeavor for Orange County Water District, and there's only so many contractors that can do this work. So it is a process that we have to go through. Unfortunately, we couldn't get them treated before the thresholds hit for us, the PFAS thresholds, so we took them down, because we didn't feel it was responsible to be serving water that that exceeded that notification threshold.

Yeah. I just wanna add. The good thing is, all the projects are in construction or planned to be in construction, in the very near future. So so that that line, we're right there. You know?

So we're we're not waiting. The only one that we're waiting is Well 10, permanent treatment, which, which OCWD will be constructing a pipeline that brings the water from Well 10 over to Kim 2 for treatment. So so but that those plans and designs are all, the plans are all designed, and it should go in construction, late in the year, probably November, December. So we're we're we're we're we're looking good.

So let's talk about some of the future fiscal years. You obviously made an adjustment and talked about the projects for the next fiscal year, but how sustainable is it? If we were to lose two more wells, if we're not gonna weren't able to bring some of these wells online and you were to rely more on MWD imports, what else would happen to this budget in those future

years? So

I as I mentioned, we were down to three of the nine wells that were, six were down and only three were operational. We only have two wells left that are, that doesn't have treatment. So assuming the wells, doesn't physically break, As far as the treatment end, we're we're looking good. We have seven of the nine wells, currently being treated or will be treated really soon very soon. So having two wells down, two of the nine is way better than was six of the nine that we had that we we had last year.

You know? So we're we're right now at five. We're we're we're we're we got four operating in operation. But it should be, there's three more should be coming online really soon.

So is it fair to say that the numbers that we're looking at for the future fiscal years are based on the assumption that we'll be relying slightly less on MWD water?

Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So that's why, that's why we're the assumption that we spent $26,000,000 in purchase water, this past year, we're reducing that to 24 and should reduce further that that that expenditure for water purchase cost should be going down minus inflationary costs.

One last question, and then I'll hand it back to you, but I do have another comment after that. Is there any project that has been cut, anything that you would think would risk the safety of the water due to this budget?

No. I I don't believe so. There are, like I said, we are moving forward a lot of projects. And the good things we had, projects that we previous budget that are in construct right now. So staff is fully busy, you know, you know, designing, managing projects and contracts for next fiscal year.

We're hoping that we get a rate increase in the coming year so that for 2728, we would have continued funding to keep our projects moving. But, of course, we we we are only throwing another, 6 7,100,000 versus the 16 that we had previous year into the pot for future projects.

But those are resilience issues, not water quality issues. Correct?

Correct.

Yeah. Going back to more resilient issue, meaning you're gonna, instead of a a sixty year replacement cycle, we're at a hundred and twenty year replacement cycle, for example. And so there'll be more pass possibly an increase in, you know, things going down.

System failure, not quality failure.

Correct. System failure, not quality failure.

So you can't get bad water. You just won't get any.

Thank you.

Alright. Any other, comments or questions? Alright.

Do we need a a motion on This one? Water one?

Yeah. I believe so. I think staff would like that.

Yes. And public comments, I'm not sure. For

the Yeah. And we do need public comments on this. Any member of the public wishing to speak about the water quality or not water quality, the water CIP? No one online and no one here. Oh, does does former member she's really itching to come up here. You need to sit closer. We'll just give you a mic.

I'm good. I'm good. I know about right where it is at. So, okay. Now I'm just gonna throw this out. This is something we've discussed in the past. So I can do that because now I don't have to sit up there. So, in regards first of all, I I do wanna give us as a city kudos. We were ahead of the curve on this, PFAS, and we're one of the first cities to do that. And we've been at the forefront.

And so for that, I think that we have absorbed quite a bit of the cost. We've had a great partnership. But also too, there's other cities that are not nearly where we're at. And I think it's when we have little wins, think we need to celebrate those. And I know how hard you guys work, and I really appreciate that.

I have a perspective from being not only residential rate payer, but also commercial rate payers as a business owner and building owner. So and I'm just gonna throw this out. I know that we've discussed this before, and I don't wanna have this as a third rail issue, but I thought this might be a time. Some surrounding cities have a thirty day ish water billing cycle. Do we have any desire or infrastructure to even entertain monthly water billing?

I don't wanna mention it if we don't even have the infrastructure to be able to do that. Would this improve cash flow, or funding to water projects? When I was the chair of water bill dispute panel, we would have some residential or even commercial resident ratepayers that would come with extensive leaks that have gone undetected, sometimes for sixty to eighty days, which is a huge loss of water, including imported water that costs more. With more updated as as rate payers, could we possibly have more in real time monitoring of flow and possible meter issues? As a commercial and residential rate payer, I wonder if the city could be putting themselves in a more preventative and proactive posture for maintenance and for water infrastructure.

If water rate increases are in the plan, I,

as

a commercial and residential rate payer, this may lessen the blow if this is not even avoidable, with a short a shorter billing cycle. For example, Anaheim, their residential is bimonthly, but their commercial is every thirty days. Two different rate schedules, don't know if that's an option. Yorba Linda is an every twenty eight day cycle. Brea is 30, and I believe Placentia and Yorba Linda, are coordinated in that way. So just something I wanted to throw out there. Steph, thank you.

Thank you. Alright. I don't know if Steph wants to respond to that.

Yeah. Sure.

Sure.

It's it's a great point and good suggestion. I would say it right now, it's the size of our city would make it difficult with the resources we have to go on a thirty day cycle. We got over 30,000 services. We still do manual readings. So it's actually boots on the ground, lifting lids, taking pictures of of meters.

AMI, which as Todd spoke about is is a project that we wanna pursue city wise, automated meter reading. So it's all in real time. So I think that could be technology that used to potentially decrease the frequency of billings, so go monthly. And also you'd have an account where you could see real real time usage. So I think that technology would be beneficial to two of your concerns or requests. But we could look into it. I think anything's possible. If we do if we do AMI just on a larger business accounts, maybe we could move that to a thirty day cycle sooner than residential. So I think anything's on the table, but we can take that back and explore. Yeah.

So you're saying there's a chance.

There's a chance. Time and money. Just need time and money. Okay.

Alright. We will take a vote on this. Is there a motion?

I would move that we support staff's recommendation on the water budget and, recommend that city council move forward with the rate or with the water rate study that this committee already recommended.

I will second that.

Okay. There's a motion and a second.

Chair Sargent absent. Vice chair Broadwaja absent. Member member Tuna?

Aye.

Member Klingsberg?

Aye.

Member Molina?

Aye.

And member Seaborne?

Aye.

And member Sarves?

Yes.

Alright. So moving on to the next section, traffic signals and safety lighting. For this section, Michael Plotnick, our city traffic engineer, is gonna go over the various traffic, and traffic signal and safety lighting projects. But before he begins, I just wanna highlight one, highlight on this proposed budget for this year, and that's, we are proposing on adjusting the gas tax, funds with Measure m two funds on several existing traffic projects from the past. So this kinda aligns with our requirement for the MOE where we can find better use of the gas tax with our street lights operations and maintenance, versus, what's already been budgeted for this, for the existing traffic projects.

At the same time, it also helps us with our Measure m two spending that we have to spend. So we're we're not necessarily adding more money. It's just we're swapping it out to better use it, and I think it's a win win. So I just wanna highlight that, and Michael could go into a little bit more details for each project, but just wanted to bring that to your guys' attention. Alright? So with that, I'll hand it over to Michael.

Alright. Good evening, NRAC members. Thank you, Juan. Our first project is the multimodal safety enhancement program. And what we do with this is we'll use it kind of as needed as we see fit projects as they come up.

So we don't necessarily say we're going to do this project. So we'll do various things from if we see school impacts zones. For instance, there's a crosswalk, but there's a lot of crossing, and people don't like to stop. So we could add RRFB, so rectangular rapid flashing beacons or warning or even we're looking into adding lighting where at night, they'll be able to push a button and it'll light up, act like a street light essentially, and it'll stay on while they're crossing the street. So we'll be testing that out as a pilot.

And if we find that's effective, we may do that everywhere because there's a lot of dark crosswalks and it's come to our attention. And we see this is a good moving forward toward that direction. We do these also as enhancements just to enhance safety. We also do variable speed feedback signs, upgrading the so we have a lot of old pedestrian push buttons. So we can do the APS, the ones that talk, so people can hear it.

And I'll tell them time how long they have to cross the street and when to start. And also, anything with bicycle just to make everything safer for everybody to use. And like Juan said, we have traffic mitigation fund as well as m two, and we're going to spend a lot of money in the coming year. And then we'll see if we need to increase it so that we can meet the MOE requirements, which we do need to have or we'll be in trouble with OCTA. Does anybody have any question about this project?

No? Okay. Our second one, this is the traffic signal operation enhancement maintenance and equipment replacement program. So while the other one is more citywide at any intersection, not necessarily signalized, This is more for at the intersections where we would improve operations or we have outdated equipment, and we move towards newer infrastructure that can do a lot more functions than the older ones. The newer ones communicate better.

They can incorporate, with, for instance, video detection systems now that can do a lot of the AI and near misses. And we've been testing out five of them for a pilot program we did with OCTA down harbor. We did five different detection systems, and we'll see which one of those we liked. We used, any everything from radar to lidar to video, and that gives us a perspective of what's happening now in the traffic world and how we can use that technology to keep everybody safe on the roadways. And also, for this, we would, upgrade.

So we have a lot of old signal heads that are smaller. We need to at least upgrade the red to 12 inches, but of course, we want to upgrade the whole thing. But at a minimum, the red lights. Also, up the intersection. If you've been driving around and you see the intersections are a little bit brighter, we're using the new LEDs that produce a lot more luminance and it uses less power.

We're starting to do that. And also this comes into, which we'll talk about in a little bit, a lot of the signal synchronization system. So we can incorporate these features into those projects as well. And we just wanna keep everything moving whether you're walking, you're on a bike, or you're in a car. But not to let our anybody think we're prioritizing one over the other because these are all roadway users.

It says here replacement of eight inch signal heads. Are we replacing it with the 12 inch?

Correct. So especially the red one, have to do. But if we get the opportunity, we replace all of them. Okay. Alright. Our third project is installation of new traffic signals and rectangular rapid flashing beacons. So for instance, we're going to be and we're already starting to work on. We're going to be doing the pot holing at Harbor and Lontrada. This is a big project that everybody calls about all the time. They wanna know when we're gonna get the signal over there.

So we have the potholing scheduled for next week. So now we can check, make sure there's no utility conflicts, finalize the plans, bid them out, and start construction on the intersection. And like I said before, so that could include rectangular rapid flashing beacons, signals, and then everything we check against the California METC to make sure it's warranted. For instance, we looked at Euclid and Valley View. It met certain warrants, so it was recommended to be signalized.

And we're also working on State College in Kimberly. We're currently finishing those plants, sending them back to the railroad for review, and then we will move forward once we hear comments back. Anybody have any questions about these?

Nope. Doesn't look like it.

K. Moving forward. Now we have State College Boulevard. So this is the regional traffic signal synchronization program. OCTA gives grants. These are only open to Orange County cities. So we only have to compete with all the 34 cities in Orange County to get these grants. The nice thing about these are they give 80% and then we have to provide 20% at a match. So of every dollar, it only costs us 20¢ to do upgrades, which is a very good deal. And this one in particular so we met with Anaheim this morning.

City of Anaheim is lead on this project, and it will be going through the cities of Anaheim, Brea, Orange, Fullerton, as well as Caltrans. So it's multi jurisdiction. And we just finished we'll be taking our co op agreement to city council tomorrow, and then we'll send it over to city of Anaheim. We just finished reviewing the proposal. City of Anaheim will be reaching out to the number one consultant and working on the price, and then they'll award the project.

Once they do that, we go through the design. And then once we're finished with the design, we put plans together. We bid it out, get a contractor on board. And while all this is happening, we're developing timing. So we can already start implementing the timing to make sure everything runs efficiently down the corridor. And in this case, we have 58 signals. 51 of them are already part of OCTA's doing a county wide baseline timing. So they're retiming the whole county right now. And 51 of them are already involved. So seven of them need to be looked at.

Those are the Caltrans intersections. And Caltrans, since they don't contribute money to these projects, but still have to be a part of it, we only do the timing for them. Any hardware that needs to be upgraded, that's on them. And city of Anaheim's lead, so we're just a partnering agency. Once they do the construction, we finish everything, then we close out the so they have two phases.

It's a primary implementation and an o and m, which is operations and maintenance. So the first phase of the project is typically one year. And then the o and m, they continue that where we monitor traffic, make sure everything's moving for two years. And if we have to make slight adjustments, we do that. If we run out of time and we need to extend it, we're allowed to apply for another two year.

A lot of these projects, even though they're three years, they end up being five years. And as you can see of the whole project, so this project cost us 4,700,000. Fullerton's match is 200,000. So we get a million dollars worth of equipment, and it only costs us $200,000. So it's a very good deal.

With this, signalized lights that, we have at various intersections, if something happened to them, do we have people, on our payroll that we sent to them, or do we have contractors to do the job to on fixing whatever is wrong with the

Are you referring to the maintenance if South of the hardware if somebody were to hit a signal? Correct. So we have a on call maintenance agreement with Unix. Mhmm. So if something were to happen twenty four hours a day, they will come out there and fix it. And that that has happened. They've been out there. I've been out there with them too. Two, three in the morning replacing a cabinet, putting timing back in, and getting everything up and running before everybody goes to work in the morning.

Okay.

And they respond very quickly. Does anybody have any other questions? No. Okay. Our next one. So the interesting thing about this one, we've kind of put everything together. So this is another regional traffic signal synchronization program. This is for Bastion Cherry Road. This is one of the streets that people tell us. It's always slow.

It's not moving. It gets backed up at Bastion Cherry Harbor. So this will help alleviate that. However, we have not officially been awarded this one, but I just read that it went through OCTA's, technical steering committee the other day. They recommended moving forward with this project.

And on Wednesday, we'll be going to the TAC, which is the technical advisory committee, as a recommendation for the board of directors at OCTA to recommend this project. And this project will be led by the city of Yorba Linda. And this one will have 38 signals, and 16 of them are in the city of Fullerton. That's 11.4 miles long. So until it's officially awarded, we can't move forward.

But, again, the same thing, the first fave primary implementation, one year. And once we finish the construction and everything's done, we close it out, then we go to two years of operation maintenance and ensure that everything's staying running. And if not, we make adjustments.

How do you get to first year cost of $300,000 from there? Are you allocating the funds over multiple years before this project starts?

Correct. So one once it's awarded, we can already start spending money on designs and buying equipment. So if the city buys equipment, we save money on what the contractors would mark up. And project six, so this is Placentia Avenue regional traffic signal synchronization program, very similar to Basten Cherry. We just applied.

We're waiting to hear the results. It's also going to the TAC meeting this Wednesday. I I read that all the projects, they received seven. One of the cities decided to pull the project. All six that they now receive are moving forward for recommendation, and I haven't seen the board deny any projects in the past.

I imagine this one's going to go through as well. And this one is a shorter one. There's 16 intersections, signalized intersections, and Fullerton has five. City of Placentia will be lead on this project. Alright.

Our next project is the traffic management center system expansion. So we will be upgrading the TMC. That's what traffic management center is here at City Hall. We currently have a two TV system, which is not really made for that purpose to be running videos twenty four seven. So we'll be putting in commercial monitors.

We don't know if it's gonna be six, four, eight. We're trying to see what's gonna fit best in our room. And then once all that's done and up and running and upgrading all the system computer servers, then we'll put a second one so that we'll have a backup plus everybody could see what's going on. And what this helps us with is real time to see what's going on out in the field. So we'll upgrade all the cameras, the infrastructure, so the networking fiber optic.

And then if we get a call, the idea is that we'll already know about it, and we can start having something in place rather than waiting for somebody to tell us, which is what's the case now because most of the cameras are not working due to communication issues. We'll have all that corrected. So we'll be ready to go whether a system goes offline. So if we have a blackout, we'll know something's over here and how to fix it. Or if we lose communication to a intersection, we'll know where the problem is.

When you say the cameras aren't working, what you're correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you mean to say is that they're not providing a feed here. So they're working at the intersection, we think, we presume, and they're cycling, you know, according to the programming and everything. We just can't visually see it here.

So I when I'm talking about, yes, the CCTV cameras at the intersection, we don't get the video feedback. But, yes, they are working at the intersection. But if we don't have communication, we don't get it back here. So if I were to go there with a laptop, I could see the video feed. And we get calls from police all the time that want access to the cameras and so we need to fix the communication first.

And the recordings. Right? Everybody wants a recording.

We we do not record. We livestream it, which a lot of people go, oh, we need the recording. I said, we're just looking at it. We don't record.

And are these for comprehension purposes?

This is for livestreaming to see what's going on out in the field. So if you call me and you're, say, you're right here, Commonwealth in Highland, I can see what's going on there without having to actually go to the field, and I can react a lot faster. And the idea is to have citywide coverage so we know everything going on, and we can get to them a lot faster rather than having to drive, see what's going on, and then address it.

So for example, if you had an incident that shut down a major intersection and traffic is now suddenly rerouting, you could, adjust the timing on the lights to be able to accommodate that.

Correct. Or police could call us, hey. We need more left turn light. We can adjust it. We can create a flush out plan to move traffic and help move things along. Cool. And this one, I'm going to actually turn over to Juan to help with for the annual Streetlight conversion project.

Thanks, Michael. My microphone was off. So for this project, this is this is an ongoing effort to address the city's aging high voltage or series street lighting system. About half of our 6,000 streetlights still operate on this older infrastructure, which relies on outdated SCE transformers that are increasingly difficult to repair. I think I brought this up in previous meetings.

So when those transformers fail, you know, outages can last for months and then impact entire neighborhoods. So because this is a long term challenge, we try to set aside money each money each year to, in the CIP to gradually convert these lights to more reliable systems. So we are looking at a mix of solutions here, which include switching out to low voltage conversions with or new overhead or underground wiring, and more recently, even solar powered streetlights. So this year, council recently approved a annual purchase order to allow us to buy solar lighting, through a cooperative contract. This gives us the ability to quickly replace lights when a series circuits fails and continues to expand.

You know, we continue to expand this and explore the solar solar lighting conversion approach. One in one key project that we did, it was along Bassin Churry, Road. So for this upcoming year, we're proposing to allocate another 150 k, to continue this going on, this annual project. Obviously, this doesn't address, all the different needs, but, again, it's money we're setting aside to try to address these when street lights go out. So with that, I'm gonna pass it over to Michael, for the next project unless staff has questions. Nope. Okay.

Thank you, Juan. Alright. We'll continue with Euclid Street regional traffic signal synchronization program. This is not only is it covering Euclid, so it's gonna start all the way in La Habra and go all the way south where Euclid turns into Ellis by the 405 Freeway. It's also accounting for all the signalized intersections within a half mile of Euclid.

So that's why there's 67 intersections along the corridor, but there's also 69 signals that are offset. So this is a very large project and it's including the cities of Fullerton, Anaheim, Garden Grove, Santa Ana, as well as Caltrans and La Habra's leading this effort. It's been sitting for a little bit, so the plans are done. We're actually waiting for the plan, sign it, and then they can bid it out, get a contractor on board so that we can actually start the construction. But as you can see, we started it a little bit ago, and we're waiting.

So we'll be asking for the or La Habra will be asking for the two year extension so that we can finish the project.

Any

questions on this one? No? And that brings us to Yorba Linda Boulevard, regional traffic signal synchronization program. This effort is being led by the city of Yorba Linda. It is currently under construction. We're waiting to get two specific intersections with upgraded video detection systems because they're not running pop properly. One of them being State College in Yorba Linda, and then Yorba Linda and associated. So once we have the upgraded video detection system, everything will be running much better at those intersections.

When it comes to Caltrans, is Caltrans cooperative on changing the the timing?

Yes. So part of this project is also retiming the Caltrans intersection. So we develop the timing, and then we provide it to them. And then they may either implement the timing themselves because they have staff that can do that, or they'll have the consultant on the project do it, but they'll be present. So, yes, they are cooperative, and they're getting better timing for free, essentially. It just takes a while to get there sometimes with them.

Understatement. Thank you.

And that's all I have unless somebody has traffic questions.

Alright. Let's open up to public comments. Anybody wanting to talk about traffic? Anybody online? Nobody here? Okay. Alright. I'll entertain a, motion.

I'll move to, support the staff recommendations for the traffic projects.

And do we have a second?

I'll second.

Alright.

Chair Sargent absent and vice chair Broadwaja absent. Member Tuna? Aye. Member Klingsberg?

Aye.

Member Molina?

Yes.

Member Seaborne? Aye. And member Service?

Yes.

Awesome. Alright. So let's move on to another section of the CAP, which is public facilities. So next, this section includes our annual facility maintenance program, which, funds repairs that go beyond routine day to day work, handled by staff. These are larger scale repairs, that require contractors, you know, such as major plumbing or electrical work, HVAC replacements, and other building improvements.

It's a little bit more complex than what our our our, internal guys could be able to do. So funding for this project comes from the internal service fund, departmental contributions. So we haven't finalized the numbers, as far as what we'll be receiving, but we're anticipating lower amounts than, we've got in the past years. Ideally, we would like to receive more, but at the minimum, we're aiming to receive total of about 475 k to support some of these projects that we need to do or, you know, we wanna hit and target. So what you see at list here are potential projects.

It's kind of our wish list. What we would like to address with the resources that we have. Next fiscal year for this specific project, we're looking at 425 from the for the general repair and maintenance program and a 100 and and another 50 k, for annual roofing, which is the next project, that we wanna set aside for building roofing projects.

Did I understand you correctly that the Facility Capital Repair fund is funded from each of the departments?

Correct.

Which so it's part of the general fund for

the for the each year?

Well, part of it. Right?

Whatever funding source it is from from those departments' budgets.

Yeah. The majority is general fund. So, like, PD and fire, they're primarily general funded. So their contribution is general fund. Like, public works, we have various funds, so our contribution may not be general fund. But the majority, you're right. The majority of contributions into the into this internal service fund is coming from general fund.

Thank you. So

the the other project that we're putting money into is the annual building and roofing project. So we're putting trying to put aside 50 k. You know, this is to address, you know, existing roofing issues, beyond just maintenance. So, obviously, we have over, I believe, it's, like, 30 buildings. So imagine trying to repair a roof every 30 years. Right? So we're trying to tackle this and try to be proactive versus reactive of, hey. Now we have leak. Now we gotta it's an emergency repair. So we're trying to get this going.

We're we're repairing roofs before the rainy season comes. So now we have our this is our annual citywide ADA improvements. So city's federally required to have an ADA transition plan, identifies areas across the city, facilities that no longer meet current accessibility standards. So while many of these elements were compliant when they were built, regulations have changed, and these features now need to be upgraded. So this project supplements ADA improvements already built into other CAP projects, and focuses on items like ADA parking stalls, restroom renovations, curb ramps, sidewalk repairs, door encounter height corrections, and other facility assess accessibility, improvements.

So over the past few years, we've been putting money and allocating infrastructure funds towards this annual ADA project. I mean, last year, with the money that we we that was budgeted, we completed a major sidewalk repair, along Commonwealth, right next to, Cal State Fullerton. So sidewalk was in terribly bad shape. Trees were uplifting the sidewalk. So, obviously, we were able to do that project with these funds.

So next year, we wanna tackle and would like to you know, obviously, a 100 k isn't a whole lot, but it helps a little bit, whatever money we can get. Our next project is the infrastructure repair and replacement for public facilities. So like I said, we maintain over 30 buildings or roughly different ages. Many of them require larger repairs and upgrades, beyond just routine maintenance. So these this project helps us address those.

So, again, every year, we get requests from different departments and divisions, to use these funds, things like building upgrades, site improvements, and other major repairs across our facilities. So for the upcoming year, we are proposing to allocate 300,000 for the program. This is a decrease from last year, you know, and that's because this is infrastructure fund, which is fund 11. So some of the money that had to go towards streets to meet our MOE, you know, came out of this fund and and these projects which are facilities. So we're we're moving money towards streets to try to meet the MOE.

So, again, like, $303,100,000 is not, by any stretch of imagination gonna be able to cover all these potential projects. But we're this is kinda our targets and what we can do, and we can look at the highest priorities and try to work through them as much as we can. That sums up, the public facilities section, so I'll open it up for any comments or questions.

Questions or comments from the committee? Okay. Any member of the public wishing to speak on this? Anyone online? Okay. Bring it back. Entertain a motion.

Move to support the, staff recommendations for public.

Do we have a second? I'll second. Great.

Chair Sargent absent. Vice chair of Radwaja absent. Member Tuna? Aye. Member Klingsberg? Aye. Member Molina?

Aye.

Member Seaborne?

Aye.

And member Sarvis?

Yes.

Awesome. Alright. Moving forward to our last section of the CIP budget for fiscal year twenty six, twenty seven, which is parks, parks improvements. So for this year, there's not too many park projects. It's our annual, I would say, project for park facilities improvements.

So this is an ongoing annual program. This allows us to replace or renovate parks or trail amenities that are damaged beyond repair. A lot of times, these are on unscheduled. They're urgent needs. Items are can't wait for a full capital project, but still require some timely action to keep our parks safe and usable.

So one thing to note here is that this project is funded with park dwelling funds, which can only be used, park dwelling funds can only be used for improvements on city park property. So these funds are generated through development and collected via applicable building permits. So the revenue tends to be, you know, feast or famine. You know, some years, it it varies significantly every year. So some years, we get more development activity where, therefore, you know, we get better funding.

Some other years, much less. So, again, it fluctuates every year. So next year, we're proposing to, or park parks department is proposing to allocate 50 k, towards parks. Again, it's not it's not a whole lot of money, but this this is what they have available. And, hopefully, it could help us address some of these surgencies and some of these items that this upcoming next fiscal year. So that was the only project from parks. There weren't any other proposed park projects. That sums up this section.

This, this park facilities improvement project, shouldn't this be under the park and recreation committee?

So parks and rec does they they do look over all parks, and they they do, take a look and approve their budget. So

This, because it's a CIP Yeah. Project, that's why we look at it. Parks is should have already looked at this and approved it. Mhmm. So we're looking at it from a CIP perspective and making recommendations to counsel. Does that make sense?

Okay. Alright.

Thank you. Okay. That's the only one for park facilities. So I'll entertain them. Oh, first, we need to go to public comments. Any member of the public wishing to speak? Oh, we have a taker. Ladies and gentlemen.

Okay. Have we received any pending park dwelling fees? Are any, pending? Have we received all? I know that there was some discussion that there was some extensions given.

And also, are we, in regards to we have lost a very important person that used to come to these meetings and used to advocate for, ADA improvements, and she's very missed. She used to also call in for, our library, meetings as well. So that's near and dear to my heart. And, I also wanna know, are we in are we vulnerable in any positions with our ADA curb cut projects, things like that, like from the perspective of any legal action or anything like that? I know that we've worked hard to move forward with that, but are we vulnerable in that way?

Just curious. And just if you could let speak to that park dwelling fee, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

I'm aware that there were some deferred, park dwelling fees from developers. I don't know their state or where they're at right now on whether or not how far out they were deferred to and whether or not they've collected them. We could definitely bring it back. We could ask parts and rec and see where where it's at. But, yes, it's it's I believe there were certain developers that got deferred, fees. Do

they pay bonds on that? Does that have to be a bonded condition on their for the condition of approval? No?

Not that I'm aware Interesting.

Just adds, depending on the development project while it goes through entitlement, sometimes they'll work out a deal where the the the dwelling fee amongst other fees is deferred till, like, c o certificate of occupancy.

Mhmm.

Others would be when you pull your pill pull your building permit. So it just depends on how they negotiate their project, their entitlement, when the fees are collected. But but Juan's right. During COVID, it was a COVID time where they deferred the fees to, like, an unknown time. I yeah. I don't know the status either, so we could follow-up on that.

Be good to know.

Now now the second part, which was the accessibility and whether we're exposed to liability. I mean, I think the city, and you correct me wrong, we're exposed, when it's not up to compliance. And, you know, part part of having an ADA transition plan is to identify some of these locations that were deficient and tackling them as we can throughout the years. I mean, in order to tackle every single ADA, it's yeah. Pretty impossible.

But as long as we have a plan and we're tackling these throughout the years, you know, as we move in a positive way, I think helps our situation, but I don't think we could ever be in a position where we're we're not exposed to liability.

Okay. Anybody online? Great. We'll bring it back to the committee, and, I'll entertain a motion.

Move to, support staff on the park facilities.

I will second. Thank you.

K. Chair Sargent absent. Vice chair Badwaja absent. Member Tuna? Aye. Member Klingsberg?

Aye.

Member Molina? Yes. Member Seaborne?

Aye.

And member Sarvis?

Yes.

Alright. I think that wrap wraps up this item, so we can move on to the next.

Alright. Number four, safe streets and roads for all. This is a receiving file so staff can make a presentation.

So Michael's gonna be presenting this one as well. So I'll hand it over to him.

Thank you, Juan. I'm back in case everybody missed me talking. Well, this will be now we've given this presentation. We had our consultant come in and present to the active transportation committee as well as the traffic commission, and now we're presenting to NRAC as well just to make sure all the committees, commissions are on board. So when we move forward to city council for them to adopt the program, it will have support.

And why this one is important, it's because this is safe streets and roads for all, for all users from every age group. So that's what we're really pushing forward. So we'll go over the project overview as well as the community outreach, the countermeasures that we're proposing from this, and the proposed countermeasures. And then if any questions come up, we can answer them. So for the project overview, the Safe Streets and Roads for All, this is a federal grant.

They had $5,000,000,000 set aside over five years. We haven't received word if they're going to continue it, but it's kind of two phases. The first phase is where you develop an action plan. Once you have the action plan and it gets adopted by council, then we can go after funding for implementation. Whether we go after more funding for SS four a, which this is the last cycle, and it's due by the May.

So we may not make the cut. We can still go after ATP, which is active transportation program and other funding. But the most important thing is having a plan in place so that we can go after it. And so the goals of this program are to have, like I said, comprehensive plan at improving roadway safety. And I wanna and we wanna focus on reducing traffic related deaths and serious injuries, and the benefits are all roadway users, pedestrian, bicyclists, and drivers.

And this is very data driven as well as input from community as you'll see when we met with we had various meetings open to the public to get their input. And so this was the whole program. We started it in May 2024, and we had data collection done. And then we did community outreach. From the community outreach, we were able to develop the plan.

We then brought as we are developing the plan back to the community, presented it to them, came up with a draft plan, and now we're trying to finalize everything and adopt it so that we can move forward with implementation. And we did community engagement. So this was the meetings. You can see we had a map out on the table and oh, sorry. Go back.

So we had a map out on the table and had everybody kinda mark up and tell us what's going on because we don't know everything happening in the city. We might have an idea about some areas, but people that live there know exactly what's going on. So we like their input the best, and it helps us develop a whole plan. And as you can see, we had six meetings. So we had a well, more like outreach.

So we had a farmer's market. We're at Farmer's Market, got input from 40 people. And then we had a community meeting at Orange Slope Elementary School. We worked with the school to reach out to the families and come to the meeting so we could get their input because that's one of the areas that was brought to our attention. So Orange Slope Elementary as well as Commonwealth Elementary and Magnolia.

So we were or oh, sorry. Commonwealth Elementary. So these two were why it was decided to hold the meetings there. And then we also did a trunk or treat, Commonwealth Elementary, another farmer's market, and then kind of presented our findings in a community meeting. So we had all these meetings to try to get input from everybody so that we can develop a comprehensive plan that covers the city's needs.

And you can see these are the photos from the various community outreach events that we had. And then at those, we had boards out for people to put stickers or write on or draw on just to tell us what was going on. Why why don't you feel safe or what could be improved or what are you seeing so that we know what where we can go with this plan. And from those boards next. These were so a lot of the areas people talked about were Ornsthorpe, Commonwealth, Bass And Cherry, Harbor, State College, and Lemon.

And the comments that we received were a lot of people speeding, lots of cars running red lights, the street lights are dim at night, bicyclists feel unsafe, a lot of people jaywalking, gaps in the sidewalk, as well as street racing. So these were the common comments that we received. And so we knew, okay, this is what we needed to address. And so now, from the comments we received, we gathered all the data and we put together our countermeasures. And the countermeasures, it's composed of all these, these different parts.

So it's not just one little thing that we're looking at. And we came up with a total of 80 points to help identify where the largest needs were so that we would do a database. Not just somebody said, feel I'm not safe over here. So we actually looked at it from the data we collected. And so for instance, you can see if it's number of attractors.

So if it's a center or destination and then so forth and everything from traffic impacts toward the bottom. So we wanna and we don't wanna look at it as equity. So we want this to be available to everybody. We never wanna exclude anybody. So that's what's big about this.

We wanna make sure we're spreading everything out equally, not just focusing on one area of the city. So from all this and this helped us create the prioritization. So then on the next one, we created there is a heat map that was created, and that helped us prioritize the neighborhoods. So the first one is Commonwealth and Gilbert and Ornsthorpe and Dale area. So you can see that toward the bottom left.

And then the second one was Ornsthorpe, Basque, the 91, and Magnolia. So going to the East. And then followed by Valencia, Euclid, Ornsthorpe, Basque for three. And then Valencia, Harbor, the 91 in Richmond. And then followed by Chapman State College, Valencia, and Acacia further east.

So these were the priority neighborhoods, and then followed by the priority corridors on the next page. You can see we have 10 priority corridors, again spread out throughout the city. And then from there, the next one we have priority intersections. So these were the top 10 intersections that scored high for the priority. So that we would focus on these as part of the countermeasures and projects that we would develop.

And also, part of this, we wanted to develop 15 projects composed of bicycle, pedestrian, and vehicles. So it would combine all those different portions. Alright. And the next one. So, you can see all the so from the data, once we collected everything, we're able to put everything together.

So, 180 projects in total, and countermeasures were established. And from these, then we were able to combine them on the next slide into 10 project areas. So these 10 project areas are composed on what was on the previous map. And so that's what we're gonna go through next, just so you can kinda see an overview of the different areas, and some countermeasures that we wanted to do. So for instance, in the Bastinchari Brea area, we know and on the next a lot of we received a lot of complaints of speeding.

And so one of the countermeasures we're proposing along Bast And Sherry is speed feedback science because it'll tell people this is how fast you're going. It will remind them to slow down. Plus, we get a live feed of that data. So if we're getting calls that people are speeding, we can then reach out to PD and say, need you to go observe that area and see if people are speeding because we'll know what time they're speeding, how fast they're going, how many cars are doing it because it's running twenty four seven.

Can you make the light turn red with that data?

I cannot make the light turn red, but this gives me the data. It's not connected to the traffic signal system.

I I guess the question more is is legally and physically. Does is that possible to do?

So legally, no. We cannot do that. Physically, we could not. We we could so we can't make it change red faster. We could, with a radar, hold the red light longer though. That would be possible. But we can't say change the light red. The only one that could kinda do that is if we have a preemption at a railroad crossing where that would cut the time off and go to preemption. And then it would clear out the intersection. But other than that, we cannot change the intersection to red.

Next. Okay. So also in the area, we are looking at putting green for the bikes, especially in the conflict areas, as well as a two two stage bike box. So that's where somebody on a bicycle would wait out there ahead of cars, and they would see them rather than a bicycle waiting on the back. And we would also look at putting on reflective retro reflective back plates.

So if you drive around and you see the yellow on the back plates of the intersection, this is the new standard. So it helps just everybody see everything better. Next. Also within the area here, we have where if you see some of the older crosswalks, we have the ladder style. Now we're switching to the continental.

And also, we're doing leading pedestrian interval. So if you're ever at an intersection, you see it's all red and all of a sudden the walk comes on. That's on purpose by design so that we let the pedestrians get ahead of traffic and that they're more visible. And we can do it anywhere from three to five seconds just to give them enough time to get out. It doesn't give them extra time.

It just puts them ahead of the cars earlier. And now, we're looking in the Commonwealth area. Next. So near one of the schools, we would do upgrade the striping for the crosswalk as well as we're gonna do again the leading pedestrian interval. Oh, you can go back.

Sorry. So we have the leading pedestrian intervals and also a curb extension. So we call them bulb out sometimes so that it shortens the distance for people to cross the street as well as making them more visible for cars. And over here at State College and Commonwealth. So we talked about leaning pedestrian intervals, the retro reflective back plates, but also in front of the left turn lane, you can see there's something in the roadway.

So that's a believe we're calling it a hardened centerline. And so what that is is it forces people to pull out into the intersection more to make that left turn so it slows them down instead of them just cutting right when they turn. And it's something they could run over. It won't cause damage to their vehicle. It'll remind them if they hit it.

Go further. You need to slow it down. And around Cal State Fullerton. So again, with the bike boxes, just so bikes are more visible, we're also going to be upgrading this intersection because Cal State Fullerton is doing their bridge, which will be going here right at the intersection of Nutwood and Commonwealth. So we'll also be getting upgraded signal heads, upgraded video detection system.

We recently replaced the audible pedestrian system there. We got a lot of calls that it wasn't working. And so now it's up and running, and people can hear when they cross the street there. And it's a very busy intersection. Alright. So now we're in the Euclid West project area. So for this oh, this one. Yes. So we would do curb ramp upgrades as well as detectable surface, warning surface. So over here, there's no ramp.

So when people are walking, these are you'll find them throughout a lot of the neighborhoods, older neighborhoods. There's no curb ramps. But we would be putting in curb ramps as well as the truncated dumps so people know when they're walking into the street there's cars. And on this one, this would receive a gateway curb extension. So we talked about that bulb out.

As well as because it's already crosswalk, we could put rectangular rapid flashing beacons just to enhance safety and bring attention to the fact that somebody is crossing the street. And also the bulb out, the extension, will make it shorter for everybody to cross. Okay. Harbor West area. So again, with the curb, the gateway curb extensions.

So instead of just having a bulb out with a sidewalk, we would have landscaping that would look nice. And the high visibility crosswalk, so cars know to stop. And we did the same thing on the other side. Next. And over here at Richmond And Elm, we would upgrade and put rectangular rapid flashing beacons. This is a very busy intersection, and it's bicycle because of the yellow crosswalk. It would help. We get a lot of crossing guards that tell us cars don't stop. And so they're thankful when we put systems like this to help assist them. Orange Thorp area.

Okay. So this is off of Page. We get a lot of calls about this where there's really nowhere for anybody to walk. This is an older area. It was part of the county island. We received it now. It's part of City Of Fullerton. And so that's why there is no sidewalk. So the recommendation is to do edge line striping and sidewalks, which will pre provide a safe passage for children to go to school there, which we get a lot of calls about. Alright.

Southwest project area. So this, as you can see, there's a spread throughout this cities, throughout this area. And you'll see this a lot of places. There's just a t intersection, and nobody knows. Do I go? Do they go? Do I stop? Do they stop? So what we would do here is one, put curb ramps because there's no ramps. And two, add a stop sign to a sign right of way.

Because then it helps when you pull up, you know, okay, I need to stop and the other people have the right of way. We don't do a warrant analysis on this because it's just to assign a right of way and we're not studying the major. We're looking at the minor street. And that is the program. So we wanted to present to you. We have 30% plans, and that's what we've asked the consultant to prepare. And from those, we'll be able to apply for implementation funding.

Yeah. About, maybe eighteen months ago or so, myself and other committee members were contacted by residents off of Las Palmas. And they had a similar issue as what you're dealing with on page. Have we looked at that? Is that under consideration?

Is this something that could be brought into this discussion? You know, the the concerns and the physical conditions, I think, warrant some sort of additional treatment, for lack of a better term. I don't know that there's right of way to put in sidewalks, and I don't know if we could ever afford to put in sidewalks, but at least some sort of buffer or a delineated path of travel.

I would say this is a living document, so we can always add it in. It's or if we go after funds, then we we would see if we would have funding to do it. If If it's considered, if it's even supported by the neighborhood. Some neighborhoods, we we received that complaint that there's nowhere to walk, other residents say, no. We like it like this. We like it more rural. We don't like street lights. So it'd have to be something that the neighborhood supported as well. But, of course, we could take it into consideration.

Yeah. In in this case, I know there's a kind of a blind hairpin turn, and there's, I think, landscape rocks and things push right out to the edge of pavement well within the public right of way. And so it forces people you know, anybody in a wheelchair, you have to be out in the roadway. If you have a stroller, you're going out in the roadway, kids on bikes. You see where I'm going with it.

So I think that is something that we need to keep open to and probably need to include. The neighbors that I had spoken with there, and I didn't speak to all of them, but there were, I'm gonna say, maybe three out of probably eight that would be affected by the specific location. We're certainly looking to have some improvements. I think they all want sidewalks, but I I don't think that that's realistic. But some sort of a buffer would be good.

I believe the city engineer has been working in that area, and we're working on a standard where they cannot have rocks so close large rocks so close to the roadway because it is actually in the city's right of way.

Okay. So in that regard, you don't need to add it to this particular program because you're already dealing with it. Is that a fair assessment?

We're starting to deal with it. Yes. Okay.

Great. I love the proactiveness.

When you say that

when you say that the particular project should be community supported, how do you know that they're community supported? Do you take actual votes? Do you collect signatures?

Yes. We went out and we met with communities, people from the different areas, and we collected signatures and comments. Sometimes they didn't wanna give us their name.

So I I also wanna add in regards to, areas within the city where there aren't more sidewalks, and there are classified neighborhoods within the city that are considered road streets. Mhmm. So there's a specific plan for those areas where it calls for no sidewalk and no street lights. So even though people may want to have the sidewalk per that general plan. It's it's

not Then why are putting them on Page?

I I don't know if Page is is part

of the

world's TB that's TBD.

Yeah. But, but, again, if that meets if if residents would wanna change that, I mean, that would be a huge, undertaking from them as far as bringing it back and, hey, modifying that general specific plan. But Sure. It's it's

And I appreciate that. Yeah. Thank you.

So I'll so I'll add to that a little bit. So the this this plan was developed with community input, and the community input means the citywide as a whole, the citywide community. So if you're looking at a specific project, it doesn't mean we went door to door in that community asking if they support those countermeasures. So that that'll happen later for some of these that are more invasive such as Page Avenue. If we were gonna move forward with that endeavor before we apply for implementation funds, we'd make sure we had not only community support, but council's support to approve a project like that. Because we've we've been burned before in the past where we go a little bit too far down the line and we have to backtrack because it didn't have certain projects don't have that specific community support. Yeah.

You need a community check-in within the neighborhood.

For for something like that, absolutely. If it's a stop sign here or there, a bulb out, not not really necessary to get the community support, because I think it's a you know, it's an enhancement. It's an improvement project, but it doesn't affect a community or a neighborhood, like that drastically.

I would recommend you talk to the residents that are directly connected to the bull bounce and stop signs. Absolutely. That might they might have a a

targeted input. Absolutely. But full community outreach, probably not

needed. All good.

I would also add about the ball bounce because there is the daylighting law. Nobody should be parking within 20 feet of a crosswalk, so it would not be taking away any parking that where they shouldn't be parking anyway.

Not like that's enforced and not like they're all painted, not like everybody understands that, but thank you. Alright. Any members of the public wishing to speak on this item? Anybody online? Do we have a hand up? No hand up? Alright. I will talk slightly slower. This is a receive and file, and if there's no public input, I'm going to close public comments, bring it back to the committee, and deem it received and filed unless there's an objection. Hearing no objection, it is deemed received and filed.

We're moving on to item number five, CAP and general infrastructure highlights.

Alright. Well, I I don't know if, I know it's getting late here, so I I don't know if the, committee wants either power through this or we could put it on for the next

I'll ask the committee. We'll just your opinion. Do you wanna hear this item, or do you wanna continue it? This is just a regular update that we normally get each month. And I'll start let me start with member service. Continue it to a later date? Or

I'm ready to accept it now.

Now? Let let's proceed. Wants to proceed? Member Tuna? Member Clean Sprig? So I'm gonna be the tiebreaker. How about an abbreviated version? Are there any highlights or changes?

I could give a quick update on this.

Let let's do that.

I think

at least that way it kinda whets our appetite for

Yeah. For sure. Alright. Not much change from this from last month. Oh, sorry. No. This is streets. Yeah. Several projects move on to construction. Not much change from water that was in design.

Now they've moved on to construction. This is the biggest change as far as projects that we've been working. Projects nine through 13 move from design to construction or award phase. So a lot of construction activity that's gonna be happening and ramping up within the next month or so, specifically to street projects where we wanna pave in the summer. We're anticipating another wave of projects to be put out and awarded within the next month or two.

Next question? Yep.

On project number nine, has that already actually started construction?

It has not. I believe that's either going to council, tomorrow or it's already been awarded. It's awarded? Yeah. So it's been awarded, but there hasn't been an NTP yet. And that's a joint project between, city of Brea and city of La Habra.

Who's leading?

Fullerton.

Okay.

Yeah. We're leading.

And same question with project number 12.

Firethorn, that is gonna count yeah. It's gonna cancel tomorrow.

Okay. So you're, what, maybe a month away from actual construction work and maybe more depending on?

Yeah. I I would say so for project eleven, twelve, and, sorry, ten, eleven, and 12, they're right next to schools. So they have the summer to do it during the summer session. So some of these projects are anticipated to start right after school starts or right before they can mobilize.

So you get a contractor that ends up coming in nice and low on all of them. You get some hard questions to ask about their capability to perform all of them at the same time.

Right.

Okay. Just putting it out there.

Yeah.

Just I'm not gonna go through every project, but I'm gonna highlight the airport tower renovation. So just some quick pictures here, before and after. Left is before. Right is, where it's at right now. So this project included, as you can tell, the biggest difference is the, Fullerton Municipal Airport sign, exterior painting, interior painting, and internal painting and flooring.

This was an FFA, grant funded project. No city contribution, was required or match funds. Fully grant funded. I'll skip over through these. And as far as staffing updates, we're still working with, HR to try to backfill the civil engineer position, with an assistant or associate level, staff member. So with that, that concludes the presentation on, CAP and highlights.

I appreciate the abbreviated version of that, and I hope my colleagues do too. On the vacancies, just a quick question. Does are those affected at all by, internships? I mean, are you able to bring in a number of interns that actually help move projects along? Or I know in some some cases, depending upon the type of role, it can eat up a lot of resources managing the interns. So I'm just curious.

So so we currently do have interns, interning for us. Of of course, the level of work that they can help out with is. Right. You know, it's But it can

help take some of the other stuff off the plate of some of the associate engineers and and make them

work sure. And they do help out in many aspects. I believe that we have three interns right now, but I know that we're starting to recruit again just because some of these individuals are graduating. And so, therefore, they already have lines, jobs lined up. So we're trying to backfill those, you know, as as we lose some.

Are these paid internships?

Yes. They are.

Do you know offhand what they pay?

Oh, shoot. No. I think

it's $20 an hour. Okay.

That's fairly consistent with industry.

Yeah. 19 or 20.

Much more than what I was getting paid when I was an intern.

And does that open the door for them if we if what there's one of these openings to be able to apply? I mean, I would imagine that there's a vacuum when somebody gets promoted and there's other opportunities.

So that was the case for two of the previous interns. They started out as interns and positions opened up, and we were able to backfill with with them, which is good because you you've already trained the interns to a certain level where it's like they're picking up. They kinda know the motions.

They know the workflows. They know the people. They know who to talk to, and and they know where the restroom is and the coffee machine.

So Yep.

Alright. Alright. Any questions or comments from the committee? Alright. That is received and filed. It's deemed received and filed. I should take public comments. Anybody wanna talk about that? No. Okay. Good. We'll move, anybody online with their hand up? Alright. Thank you. Alright. Staff and committee communication.

Members first? One thing back up. We talked at the last meeting about the need to look at some of the enterprise funds and to recommend that to city council. I don't think we should be doing that at the same time as a budget, but I would like to bring that back up in future meetings for this committee to consider with staff's recommendation.

That's a good August, September discussion. Okay. Thank you. Any other staff or committee communication? Nothing from anybody, Alright. Crickets. Alright. Ladies and gentlemen, this meeting's adjourned.

Alright. Alright. Thank you, Greg. Thank you. Thank

you, sir. Thank you, sir.