Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Maybe I'm ready. You're online. So, if I could call this meeting of the grant of the Fraser Planning Commission to order, please with a roll call. Katie Souls, Ryan Cirnick, and Margaret, are you online? Yes, I am. Can you hear me? Okay. Yeah, we've got you. Thank you, Margaret. Yep. And Andy Miller. That's the four we have tonight. Okay. So, we call for a uh motion to approve the agenda. So, moved. Second. All in favor? I.

Any opposed? Thank you. Okay. The consent agenda tonight is the minutes from October 22nd. Um call for a motion to approve the consent agenda. So moved. Margaret moved. Second. Second. Brian. Thank you. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Thanks. Okay. Open forum tonight. Please uh limit your time to three minutes. And uh for any items that are not on the agenda, have anybody in the audience that wanted to talk about anything other than what's on the agenda? Anybody online? Antranet or

if anybody online would like to speak, please raise your hands. Okay. So tonight is the uh ma the agenda main agenda item the agenda item other than a few odds and ends is the review of the draft Frasier forward comprehensive plan. So the staff review.

Yeah. Uh thank you chair Miller and planning commission. Um so I don't really have a formal presentation this evening. I did just want to spend a few minutes uh kind of scrolling through the plan document itself, talking through how it's structured and um certainly open it up for any discussion by the planning commission and the public uh here in the room and online uh for any feedback, comment and and initial review. So, um, table of contents page, um, we do have a executive summary, just, uh, a brief overview of kind of the the purpose of this plan and, uh, I could maybe zoom out a little bit. There we go. It's better. Uh, kind of our six core themes which have been discussed previously with the planning commission and board. Um the initial section is kind of a look at um Frasier today. Talks about the planning process uh previous plans that were referenced and um a little bit about the history of Frraasier copies a lot frankly from the previous comprehensive plan. Uh the Frasier today section has a lot of uh existing conditions type of data, things like population and demographics, uh housing data, economic data, um transportation data and and things like that. Uh the next section, community voices details, the feedback and public input process that we went through up to this point. um starting uh with a community survey um over a year ago and a couple open houses uh earlier this year. Um and just talks about at a high level some of the feedback that was collected through um

those those various uh means of public engagement. And then uh kind of the bulk of the plan is this section four which uh we have talked about it is organized into vision statements uh very at the highest level moving down into goals, strategies and actions getting to um you know more more detailed um steps or um actions to take and um also the way the plan is organized. Um there are four sections corresponding to the four seasons spring, summer, fall and winter. And within those four sections uh the topics are kind of categorized um in a way to you know try and categorize items that are more closely related. So downtown vision, housing and economic vitality make up the spring section. Uh, this section is where we also have our conceptual downtown vision plan for the Clayton Court area. Go back to maybe single page view here. Um, and just scrolling through this again, the intention isn't to read through every single one of these, but certainly if there's a specific item, specific topic that the planning commission or public would like to look at and review in more detail during this meeting, uh, staff is certainly happy to do so. Um the fifth section of the plan uh kind of takes these vision, goal, strategy, action statements and organizes them into an implementation matrix. So, this will be uh a valuable tool for town staff, our board of trustees, and the planning commission to utilize in the future to identify priorities um and initiatives for the town to take on uh in the coming years

that are in alignment with this comprehensive plan. So, um things have an identified priority level, a rough estimated cost, and a uh time frame identified. Um and okay, you just jumped to the end, huh?

Yeah. So, again, don't want to dwell on any specific detail, but happy to, you know, dive into anything if there's um a request to do so. And uh the final element after the implementation matrix are our future land use maps. Um, again, these have been presented to the public um at various times throughout this year, our open houses and and uh public meetings with our board and planning commission. um kind of explains the the the the purpose of what these maps are for um and and what they are depicting both uh within the town's boundaries on on this map here as well as within the three mile um what's called the three mile plan in terms of uh future annexations. Um lastly, there is an appendix which currently just contains results from our first community survey. It will contain um additional public feedback that we received from our open houses as well as the feedback we received through this process over the next month prior to adoption. So, there's any particular locations in the plan you would like to take a closer look at, I'm happy to do so. So one one typo I think page 34 if you go to that u part

it talks about over 40 miles and 5,000 zip codes that's yeah so that is that comes from some data that um one of these subconultants uh on uh the team had I I forget the specific software that they used but it essentially looked at cell phone and other location-based data um to identify uh the the you know I guess zip code of origin for people visiting various includes all the zip codes of all the people that have shopped at Safeway. Correct.

Gotcha. So, so I think we can definitely have some more clarification on this and make sure that data is included in the appendix as well. Uh, but that's just meant to show that um, well, the trade the trade area really would be more people that are there regularly, not really somebody that visits once from Chicago. So, so I don't know. No big deal. But yeah, it just kind of jumps out at you. Yeah, it'd be good to clarify it. Yeah. I'll uh I'll even I'll leave a note to add some more context to that. I think um again it's it's based on the definition of trade area that that economic subconsultant utilized and again just to show that

it's kind of neat to know that that's quite if you put pins in the map it would be pretty impressive for sure. Yeah. truly as as a uh you know a resort and destination community uh we receive a lot of visitation from all over the state all over the country. Um so um yeah visitors make up a a large geographic trade area. I have a Yeah, I have a list of little minor things, but um but yeah, regarding that one, I think he just needs to state something along the lines of people from 5,000 different zip codes have have visited, you know, not that that's who we get to keep the doors open.

Um there was another one on page 32. I didn't love the graph um with the houses cuz at the top it says like 2018 to 2022 and then and then it talks about the 58% and 95% and they it's like of the 58% 95% of whatever it says

um vacation homes um I don't know when I see an a a a date range I expect one graph to be the first the first year and the other graph to be the second year. Yeah. You know, 2018 and 2022 in this case. And it it it doesn't show I don't know. It it's it's pretty unclear.

No, I I agree with that. I think the reason why there's a range of dates here is because the data source comes from um census data, what's called the American Community Survey or ACS, which is based on data over a five-year period. So, it kind of smooths or averages out that data. However, uh I do think it is misleading and it's um you know not maybe needed in in the the title of this graphic um to have that date range and um you know also showing that 95% that's it's 95% of the 58% um and and maybe not having the home scaled that way. Um just to make it more visually clear. Um it makes it seems like um again the m the graphic on the right should be you know it's it's representing a smaller share of the total that's on the left. So it's almost maybe backwards in a sense

or fill or fill the house up 95% with color. Yeah. Yeah. Have one one comment or you want to have open discussion. What uh we will in a couple minutes. Yeah. Clark let us run through a few things. Yeah we will. Yes. Yeah. There's some other ones, Brian, or um not worth bringing up, but I'll just send an email to to Garrett. Sure. Yeah. Typos and stuff. Hey, um thinking about some things that I thought that would be good to add. It was in the um around page 111 TSI.

Which page, Katie? I'm sorry. I think it's 111. I stopped at 111. So, where do I have a page number here? It's probably around. It's TSI one. The first one in that um section. I think that we should add snow melt snow melt facility because we're doing a lot of snow storage and we're concerned about snow melt and water contaminated water getting into the Frasier River and that could be something that we could look at establishing with um along with Grand County. Yeah.

And possibly the town of Winter Park because we're running out of space for snow for snow storage too. So Yep. So, a way to deal with snow, capture the water, and be able to return it to our river without a lot of contaminants in it. Yeah. So, I didn't see anything in the plan about a snow melt facility, but I think I'd like to see that add it maybe included in the matrix. Yeah.

And in that same section, I was thinking maybe a bullet that just says um that, you know, keep snow melt storage away from the Frasier River. Yeah. Because that's been an issue and a problem and it's just what we've always done and Santa Winter Park's always done. We're getting better, but school talk about storm water that can be mixed in with the storm water discussion, too, because that's yeah, very much the same issue. So, yep. Natural treatment of storm water is the way you phrased it, which

Yeah. And on that um on 3.1, I thought just to clarify um and protect the Frasier River, it has to do with runoff, managing green. And I'm not there on my iPad because my iPad's slow. I have to zip up there. And that's the last bullet just to clarify that you want to protect the F river because the term green people generally know what green is but it's also color. I don't know if that needs to be clarified or if we just want to stick with that.

You know I do believe there is a reference to types of green storm water infrastructure um elsewhere. Okay. Yeah. Good. Yeah. naturalbased something we didn't do a very good job of over on our project. It's me speaks to open not piping storm water but retaining storm water and natural features and okay ways to get to settle out basically constructed wetlands. Yeah, constructed wetlands. Yeah. And do we mention constructed wetlands in that section? Well, it it talks about it was it talks about the methods that that would lead to that. So, okay. And that's included. I just didn't read the whole thing yet. I think it's pretty clear. Yeah.

Okay, Garrett, you okay? Yeah, Harry. Um, you're good with that. Yeah. So, again, there there are a lot of um sections that do have some overlap. Um, this sustainability and natural resources 1.8 Eight talks about storm water management and it does have a bullet point about um encouraging and incentivizing uh things like rain gardens, bioells, permeable pavements and other green infrastructure for um storm water management.

So I again there there are a lot of uh overlap. Uh one thing I will note uh because it was requested by you all. Um within the implementation matrix we have a column uh called other applicable policy. It's currently blank. Unfortunately staff was not able to fill out that column in time for publication of this draft plan. But during this um you know public review period staff will work to fill out that column and essentially identify areas of overlap between these different

referencing. Yes, absolutely. So that there are clear cross references. So you know in in your point um seeing something under the town services and infrastructure section and you feel like it doesn't speak to green storm water maybe as as strongly or appropriately. uh this this matrix will point you to the sustainability and natural resources section to just to better understand how you know again overlapping sections cover and future staff members and community members and board members.

Great. Um on IGC um 6.1 it references um open lands or open space and I thought that we should include um Colorado open lands as a potential partner in that because you talked about hta and the county and all that.

Yeah, absolutely. taken the place for local land trust and dark sky. I read something where was briefly mentioned. Is there something where we dive deeper into dark sky in this plan? talks about homeowners associations being on board and somewhat about regulatory, but

the um I know Dark Sky International has a um an office or down in Boulder and I think did you go to a presentation at our last conference? Anyway, it was very it was really interesting and um I would like to kind of push the dark sky thing a little bit more. And one of the things they did is they had a slide that showed um somebody's backyard and a bright white light shining on the person's back, you know, off their porch and somebody at the gate. You could not see them, but with the gold colored lights, you could see that person quite clearly. So they have found that the so the cities that are going dark sky are using these gold colored lights because they're not as invasive and they found that the really bright colored lights in mass confuses wildlife and birds when they're migrating. So, um, I would like to take a deeper dive into that dark sky and make it a goal on our matrix and make it a two and really and include the cost for the town of Frraasier to, um, switch out our lights over time.

Yeah, I think that's a great suggestion. So, um, this section, uh, sustainability and n natural resources 1.9 does speak to reducing light pollution, but I think it would be very appropriate to add an action item, uh, you know, pursue designation of uh, Frasier as a dark sky community. I know that's a a process that we could go through um, and and look into strengthening some of our ordinances around that. Yeah. And just by pursuing that we would move towards some of those changes. Right. It's a it's a heavy lift but it would be amazing. Okay. I think that was it for my comments for now. Um

so on on page 91 when we talk about um fees Mhm. Um I think it's important to balance this with at least some mention of affordability. You know, I mean it's we we're talking about the updating fees with the buyer district with all the all the different agencies and us um fees in lie of um we we've got to balance that and really talk seriously about keeping the keeping keeping our community affordable. So

Okay. Yeah. And then there's some mention in the in the uh plan a couple places of the Elk Creek Trail that would run from um Frasier from the Frasier River to County Road 72. Mhm.

I think it' be a bit more expansive that that trail could have the could have the, you know, depending on how the developments go and what happens upstream from 72, but that could be a regional trail that could connect out into the national forest. So, there's there's a lot of lot of trail infrastructure up Elk Creek. Sure. Yeah. Let me see where the most appropriate. I know it's in the action items, but it's also mentioned one of the places. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 120 mentions it in the action items. Yeah. And then but I think it was mentioned one other place in here, too. So,

yeah. So, just so I have it up on the screen for everyone, it's this action item here. Right. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Downtown Vision uh 1.4. Margaret, did you have anything? Uh nothing nothing that you haven't already brought up. Okay. Anything else from Brian or Katie?

Good. Let's open for some input from from the public if we could. Any comments and input on the on the draft plan? Hi, Arnold Quinn for the record Frasier. Um, the thing I'd like to dive in deeper on is the economic development piece. When we get to that, I just wanted to also make some comments about Katie's snow issues. Uh, as I walk the town most mornings, uh, most of the plowing done by the town in the on our side roads are plowed directly to the streams. Yeah.

And I can show you pictures of all that if you want. Um the idea of trying to have a snow melt facility would be tough. Um you don't get much water out of snow, but it comes as you know. Um actually building a border between the highway and the stream and our roads and the streams will be better so the water has a place to settle so the salts and the sands settle out of it first. Um the main snow storage that you guys have right now is on County Road 8 and 40. There's no barrier between that and that stream. That snow melts directly into the stream. We should put some kind of waddles or something over there for sure because a lot of that goes in that area. Um then on St. Louis, I noticed they started the two buildings and I kind of have an idea where the parking is. Are they putting in the underground tanks like all the other developments have to do? Do

Yeah, that's the plan. Okay. I'm just making sure because that we're doing it. We need it. And then KD or dark skies. Um a lot of the issues are the town buildings. Oh yeah, there's all over. Yeah, there's So the Yeah. And then the street lights. Um yeah,

the Fraser Trail uh little lock cabin over there has a light that shines straight across into the river. Like it's a super bright light. Anyway, but the economic development was the one because, you know, we've been trying trying to do that since 1979 um that I know of. But 2010 is when they really put it on the board about trying to come up with a year- round community. And as we know, to get a year- round community, we need more housing units to support those businesses year round. And the number you just showed us, we're shrinking in year- round housing, not growing. Um so, if we could dive into that a little bit, I'd like to see what the plan says. Thanks. Thanks, Barnell. Any other comments from the public? Hey, good evening everyone. Clark Lipkcom for the record. Um, just, you know, a few observations. Um, I feel like a lot of the comments that were made in either workshops uh or yeah, the post-it note things to me is a joke, but uh I don't think those are productive at all. But but I also don't think a lot of the comments that were made were effectively addressed in this and I don't see them addressed like and I think the one of the core problems that I have is is the lack of a picture of all of Frraasier. uh seems very focused on Oldtown Frraasier, downtown Frraasier uh and it's missing some core components. So uh that I think is really important. One I I mean and there's by the way a lot of conflicts uh through this uh it seems to be uh written by people without any coordination for for instance. Okay. Uh there's the section on vacation roles

that Brian touched on. Uh and it talks about how there's a fewer percentage of homes uh occupied today in Frasier than there was in 2000. significantly less. However, it completely fails to address the fact of there there's been uh nearly 900 homes built in Frraasier since 2000. So, it doesn't talk about the added homes. Okay. Then you go into the population section and the population section off the top of my head was like 900 people in 2000 and it's 1,400 people today. So, how are 500 more people living in so many you know P? It's it's very misleading. Uh and and I think it was crafted by someone against vacation rentals and second homes and trying to put a spin on that rather than focus on the population growth that's happened from good developments happening in our community. Okay. So I read documents like this and I think the first thing I think is how is this going to benefit anyone trying to attract investment to Frraasier? Okay. To because to me this it's it's great to have the goals for trails and clean water. I'm there 100%. Dark skies. I'm going uber dark sky compliant on the Grand Park Mountain. Um but we have great trails and we have beautiful outdoor stuff and and there's been a lot of great things done on that. Uh but we're lacking a lot of still core basic public services that aren't spoken to here. And what really is missing is the concept of uh you know Andy I think maybe your son's moved back to town now but he was gone for a long time but you know think about somebody that raises their kids here. Kids you know leave go to school or get out of high school can't get a a a job that they're feel is going to create the quality of life they want or they can't form their family

here whatever and they leave. And you know, it's funny that the towns that I grew up or the town that I grew up in the large majority of my life, uh, so many of my friends still live there. I mean, it's like a generational town, right? Their their parents and their grandparents are there and they all live, you know, next door to each other, close by, work the family businesses, so on so forth. Um I I think what's sorely missing here is you know how do you create a stronger better economy in the bounds of Frasier which by the way include the largest chunk of land that's not spoken to at all rendevous and Grand Park uh in the study completely ignored in this study. Uh, how do you complete uh how do you kind of improve the the economics of the area to create that kind of multi-generational community where kids have opportunities to grow and to meet other people and make their families, etc. So, I'd like to have kind of a step back and address a couple of those things. You know, it talks about a downtown. Okay. And I think we have two downtowns. Okay. So, you're completely missing the village at Grand Park. Rendevous is now building a hotel. They're going to do some commercial stuff. They have 60,000 square ft. Uh we have the large majority of it and we planned it and we're building a lot of it. Not spoken to core basic public services that were on my bucket list built since 2009. The Grand Park Community Rec Center, our public rec center, huge asset to the community. Unbelievable how many people in cars there are there now. Amazing. Uh just expanded, you know, and and I mean that thing's 15 years old and they had to expand it. Um the bowling alley Theater, great asset for the community. Also run by uh the public rec center or rec

district. Um also public facility, the hospital. You know how many towns would kill to have a hospital? Mentioned and this speaks to actually medical being a reason that people leave the area. So there's no recognition of the fact that there's a hospital now in Frraasier. I think it's mentioned is said that I I read something about but it also speaks to the fact that people leave because there's no medical care in town. Well, there is now. I mean I think it speaks to the fact that this was started in 24 and the medical center was just finished. So again, there's a contradiction there because I think we should be touting. I mean, I got to tell you, I've had two surgery, well, one surgery, one procedure at the surgery center in Graanby done by this group. It's like the four seasons of surgery facilities.

Wonderful. Fantastic. Um, so I highly recommend it and I support them. and and that area uh in particular that I'm speaking about the village of Grand Park houses three of the largest employers in the town of Frraasier right cornerstone Grand Park the rec district their offices there and the hospital those three those are three of the largest employees in Frraasier not spoken to in this plan they are um they are mentioned in here yes okay well I I guess I missed it then um so I'd to kind of sales pitches. So if we're on it, Yeah.

if you really didn't see them as you look through it, then I think time to bring out those things that really are desirable about our community. Exactly. And I think well, you guys have heard me at at meetings talk about I've I've have, you know, very good friends and homeowners that uh have lived here until their kids were in fifth grade at Fraser Elementary and then they left. Uh there's no mention of how stellar the Fraser Elementary is. It is one of the top rated elementary schools. Uh but there's no mention of 6 through 12 education, the goals for education, uh and higher education. If there is, I missed it. Yeah, I thought that was in the three mile plan.

Okay. But I think that's a core component, guys, that in my 10-year plan and and the only item that was on my bucket list for core basic public services when I moved here that I wanted to achieve was the last one, the one that I didn't get done is schools. Yeah. And I'm I'm I'm still a supporter of that. I don't have the need that I had

20 years ago when my kids were born. But but still, you know, I think I think what's really critical when you look at and and some of the communities that were mentioned in here that are of similar size, they all have their own school in town. And that to me is what kind of creates that really fabric that that our our county is not a community. Our town, the town of Frasier and really Winter Park, Frasier Winter Park is a community. we all know each other, we see each other, etc. So, I mean, I think important to focus on some of those key components. And then I didn't pick up a lot on infrastructure and infrastructure goals. Uh having a robust strong infrastructure system, keeping up with the growth, uh staying on the cutting edge of improvements and and like I know our sewer plant will need to be expanded once again, but it's far better. I mean, you know, the one that was here and and what we have today is light years ahead of what was here when I moved here.

It's there. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Uh, so, uh, any case, I mean, there's things like that. You know, the underpass at Leland Creek made a, you know, a huge opportunity for the town, opened up all kinds of better trail access, safer trail access. Um, that to me is, you know, a huge asset. links us well with Winter Park and Leland Creek and the western forest service area that we all interconnect in and frankly opens up the Grand Park West Mountain for development which is what obviously we're pursuing and proceeding with now. Um, so I mean I just think some of those things, you know, staying ahead and having plans in place that we as a town are committed to having a quality water system and quality water and, you know, the old parts of the system have a actual work plan to replace them and do reserves.

Yeah. And that's TSI 3.1 that that he's put up on the screen here. So, okay, the water and waste water and sewer. Okay. I just think it needs to like maybe kind of be like I don't know a prepared it's almost like being having a preparedness statement of some sort like you know it's one thing to speak to like we want to have these things but it's a whole another to dedicate ourselves to having it available ready to go etc. We know we're growing. We know rendevous still has buildout. We know Grand Park has a substantial amount of buildout. And there's other parcels in town plus what y'all are redoing down here. So we we can make those systems even better than they are today. And we all know that. West Mountain is referred to as a PUB, which it is.

And and we're we're 100% behind all the planning efforts that can take place over there to create the other like what is it? Threearters of town or more. It's probably more than that. It's a lot of land. Um yeah and I mean I think um that's really it. I mean eventually you know think about it from a perspective of somebody who knows nothing about Frasier

and we're trying to attract a restaurant tour here and I'm going to go share this with them or a manufacturer. Yeah. You know I think of like Smart Roll and starting in steamboater. Um you know I've got uh a friend doing Honey Stinger now. I mean, they've done a great job of incubating actual real businesses that manufacture thing and they become part of our lives and they employ a lot of people. Yeah, they've got a lot of smart people doing those things, but that's not in here from an economic development perspective.

And we've talked about the pole yard in here obviously, but that's not even in town. Perhaps those industrial uses that could take place in part of West Mountain. So, I mean there's this is some of the opportunities you're right that we need to we need to look at but look at with you as a as the as the uh director of the planning over there. So, yeah. And I don't think that you know I I can tell you that we probably wouldn't be doing industrial uses on the West Mountain, but Well, but this but these are the planning questions that we Yeah. No, but I I mean, you know, are there other opportunities in and around town that could add to our job base, etc. I mean, manufacturing doesn't generate a lot of sales tax, but there's opportunities around here that we could probably do that kind of stuff.

And and there's, you know, there's a lot of I mean, we just did a presentation, you know, 29 uh businesses needing to be filler spaces between Winter Park and Frasier that are basically empty business spaces. There's there's opportunity to focus on filling those first. Yeah. Right. And and I mean, I know I've got 40,000 square feet I need to figure out. Uh that's a challenge. Yeah. Um but but I'm just asking you to kind of consider uh the audience. Who's your audience? Um and and what are the goals of this plan? That's that's what's really critical to me. And and final question is are you going to I assume you're still taking comments and edits now that this is kind of a published near final draft. Is that absolutely

I'll get I mean there's some some little clarification. I'll send those so I'm not wasting you all's time. I'll email those to Garrett. Yeah. Okay. probably typos and stuff that you guys picked up there, right? Thanks, guys. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah, that that's a really good point that he brings up that I didn't think about. You know, I I read through most of this and I was like, "Yeah, I I think that's a good fit." But but he's right. This is essentially an advertisement for Frraasier. Yeah. And it's a guiding document for staff, future awards, and also an Yeah. an advertisement. Yeah. Right. And a sales pitch. And is the is uh the other downtown covered in here?

Very lightly.

I I Yes. Um I I will say so I think the suggestion to make this Frasier today section have more of a sales pitch type of aspect to it is a a great suggestion and definitely one that we will implement. Um I mean in this uh land use paragraph here it does talk about how um Grand Park uh by and large uh today is mostly undeveloped and therefore is a you know development opportunity. Um but just by and large I think the way this section is written was more of a summary of existing conditions analysis and not um it it does need that aspect of talking up the town and serving as that bit of a sales pitch as well. Absolutely.

So one thought is um for our special districts almost all of them have received accolades for exceptional performance. Our library district um our recreation district and all that. So to be able to um make a note of them and then maybe with an asterisk so in the at the end people can reference those accolades that they've received to say that I mean it's you know 10 years from now who knows hopefully they're performing as well but that where they're at now. Yeah, absolutely. That could fit in that with that list of of uh agencies that are that are, you know, all that are part of this planning process or

it kind of disappears in that. Yeah. I'm thinking because it's Yeah. Yeah. But it's thought. Yeah. Or referenced in both. Yeah. Cross checked or something. Yeah. Cool. Any other comments from the audience? Okay. Yeah. Hello. I'm John Lad. I'm HOA president for Sun River Town Homes.

And so Mark did the big picture. I'm going to go into the details. Uh you have several comments in terms of uh transportation infrastructure. They all include taking Sun River Drive, which is our private road that's enters into its general area of the Sun River Town Homes, the garages, power to the people, and Margaret's house. Um, and turning it into a road that will be the major egress for people who are dropping off their kids at the daycare or if the post office moves across the street, they'll probably use it. as well as these 129 units or whatever it is that are being built up in St. Louis Crossing. Um there is uh there there has been we fortunately have a resident who is um very good at searching databases and has found tremendous amount of of written material in your files. uh and I don't want to take long time we can go through them detail but I'm just want to pick up on one of these um and that is uh in 2003 uh we had put some landscaping up on the south west side of our property and it blocked an area where between our parking lot and east and susie corn that people had gone in gone in and out just informally. It was just dirt uh and there was nothing there. The fire department uh objected because this was a secondary access for all of that complex, not just our town homes, but power to the people and budgets etc.

And um so it started a long negotiation uh that started so early 2003 and ended in uh July of 2004 when the town council uh uh approved a a memo orou a memo of uh understanding between us, our HOA and the town. in that we were allowed to block off that access with a removable chain and that was our right to do that and as part of thatou. Uh we since have done that and over the last 21 years and really for even longer back going back till 1993 when we first subdivided the town homes from the rest of the property. Uh it's been everything and in these records the town has said that is a private road that's not ours. We're not responsible. You got to pay for it. You got to do everything with it. We don't want it. uh there's comments in this 2004 period where people are actually saying yeah we have no intention this is a private road and we've gone given that word and then in this document um and um put landscaping in planned out areas for snow storage and most importantly we have parking which is if you look at the original plat which is from 1993. Uh I know somebody sent something back to one of the homeowners that inquired about this. Sent a 1994 document that does not have the crucial thing on it. But that's not our document. That's

between CB Jensen and the people who were sub he was subdividing his land remaining land with. But on the original document where we vacated a portion of the original Sun River Town Homes complex to CB um it shows parking area excluded. It's not a rightway. It's not a road. It's parking for our west building. Um there is about 10 ft. I could understand you say there parking for

for the west building of the complex. We have three buildings in that complex. Two are along the rivers. The other one is uh closer to highway 40. It would be right where this road is. So you would be taking away our parking areas. Uh the two units because our building is at a diagonal is not north south. The south end of it is much closer to our western edge of our property. And you would be taking away certainly one of the units and probably the second unit too. They're parking.

And you might look at the problem, you say, "Oh, well, there's a little space right over the left. You could have them parked there." But no, because that is the one place where we have an open area further down to the south and east where we can actually store snow. And we have a gigantic pile by March every year

where that stuff is stored. If the cars are parked there, they can't get in. We have no part no storage basically. And the only storage would be along between our west fence and the roof which you would use for your road. And so this causes a huge problem. one. We could possibly fit a couple cars in by tearing down a fence on our southwest on our west south end of our west side of our property, which we just rebuilt two years ago, which cost $55,000 by the way, and um put in tear that down, tear down cut down a bunch of nice pine trees that were planted a long time ago, again with the assumption that this was our property to work on. and put in parking there and we'd probably be able to work something out, but then the people would not have parking next to their units. Uh, one of those units is um uh the the farther south unit, which is the one most impacted, uh does use does do uh uh short-term rentals. uh you require not only when you're building the units that there be parking assigned, but for your permits for short-term rental that they have parking for two units. Well, he has those. He won't be able to rent his unit out uh if we can't find some parking for uh the unit next to him, which would be also probably uh affected. uh she did not rent it this year, but she's had a license through 2024 and I think she may try to do it again. And again, this parking was there. If you

look on the 1993 plat, the vacation plat, you will see that parking is defined there. So um that then brings me to excuse me figure 13 uh which is on page 119 and that's where you have a whole list of uh list of um uh the uh classification of all the action items and for priority on this uh connecting Safeway to Sun River Drive. um the priority is two or vital the cost is $1, the $1 sign which is 0 to25,000 when I looked at that I was like okay you know the costs that we're going to have are going to be way more than that we just in fact

that's just for the feasibility that's not for that's not for the road that's just to look at the the feasibility so none None of this is set in stone, okay? None of it. This is all just the whole point of this, the reason I came and talked to you guys is just because we want more options other than Highway 40. Yeah. Going down Sun River Drive might not be the answer. Yeah, it's just mentioned as an something to explore. Well, and so nothing is set in stone.

Okay, fine. But it keeps popping up and um and um we're going to it's going to cost us a whole lot to reconfigure our whole property. It sort of is going to set off, you know, one thing after another.

It's going to cost us a lot of money and we're going to lose property value. And I remind you that in Colorado uh eminent domain law that if people uh suffer from the remaining property that they have suffer a loss in value that the government agents that's taking it from them has to compensate them for that. Sure.

So it's going to be expensive. So again, I would like to I would like to uh just mention one thing that was brought up uh between I think it was our lawy our lawyer and you Michael uh when they met is going through uh the vacant lot that's two lots to the west of us off of um East. Yep. Ron Ron Anderson's lot.

Yeah, it's Don Yes. Yes, it's his lot. And then there is that uh Winter Park property management their their their uh uh facilities building there. Uh that would take that down but that would be an inconvenient short-term inconvenience to them. For us it would be a permanent uh loss of value and a permanent uh loss of just our privacy, you know,

and you could do that. it would fit better. Uh this the another problem that you'd have is is that trying to go north and into Park Avenue, that's a blind corner and you need to go out there once we finally get snow and look where the piles of snow is. It's a blind corner. People are coming. People are coming down um coming uh down Park Avenue, especially employees of powering the people. They go straight through there. Um, I go out early in the morning. I work up at the ski area and I I've learned now to take this huge wide U-turn to get away so I can see stuff. But if you've got all these people coming around that sharp curve, you know, it's going to be there's going to be all sorts of accidents there.

Okay. It's okay. Yeah, I appreciate there's obviously a lot of work that needs to be done here and and uh I'm sounds like the town staff and the mayor and they're we'll continue working with you. So Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We want this to be collaborative. We're not looking to take anything from you guys. So yeah, we just

and Mr. L just we have we do have just recently got a proposal from a traffic engineer just to do the initial feasibility study for that access and also two other points of access. because again there could be a scenario where this access is not warranted but there could be a scenario where it is it does have the justification to it. Um but that'll be all in public meetings. It'll be we don't anticipate any executive session with this and we want to invite you guys to that conversation and to that data collection standpoint and uh that'll be very well done in a public meeting. So I just want to make sure that you guys are aware of that and uh want to definitely invite you to those. Great. Thanks John. Thank you. Any other comments from the public?

So, I'm Justin. Uh, I'm also from the Sun River Town Homes. Try and keep this relatively short. Justin, I'm sorry. Your last name? La Frans. Thank you. Yeah, no problem. Three numbers trying to remember here, so I'm going to say them up front. We got 10, 20, and 36. Got to keep those in my brain. Um, John kind of touched on the personal impact and how it affects Tom River, Sun River town homes. I want to touch on really the feasibility compared to the town plan you just shared. Um, so for starters, I've heard that it may may not be the answer quite a few times. Can you go to page 55, 56, and 57 in that document?

Yes. So, this is a good page here. Do you see that dotted line kind of towards the middle of all of these pictures? From what I can tell, that is the proposed road. So, I keep hearing it may not be the option, but I've never seen a document that shows anything other than that proposed route. And so, it's a little tough to continue hearing, you know, this is a early conversation, may not happen, but then every document we see has it outlined as the option. Um, another page I want to point out is page 119, which was just referenced by John. So, we don't really need to jump there, but we can skip over that and go to page 118. So, 118, there's a section, I think it's the third one from below the middle. Uh, incorporate uh, no, add sidewalks. So, it's interesting to see that because it's stating that the goal is to, thank you for blowing that up, add sidewalks to existing and proposed roadways and ensure all spaces meet the Americans with Disabilities Act. So, not a professional in any of this whatsoever, but uh the three numbers I brought up at the beginning, 10, 20, and 36, have to do with the widths of the current easement being discussed. My understanding is that's about 10 ft. Uh my understanding of a two-way road is it should be roughly 20 ft. So even if we cut that to one way, we're down to 10 ft. And the ADA is looking for about 36 in, which is 3 ft on either side of the road. I don't understand how that would fit in that space. Um I I don't know if that's been considered. Is it uh consideration of using more of the land to open up the walkway or what are the current plans for that?

Yeah, no current plans is the is the short answer. Is that something that will be discussed in the near future? Is that something that we can find documentation on? Yeah. So, yeah, as as Michael said, like we're we're working through that now and that'll all be in public meetings. So, definitely come to those and, you know, be a part of the conversation. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for doing the math. Yeah.

And I think maybe just to follow up on the question of why aren't the other potential options shown? Um, I think part of the purpose is, well, I guess first I'll talk about maybe what some of those other potential options could be. Um, if I could turn on this, uh, the Witi town homes and Quail Drive, there's currently a, uh, a gate right at this point here as well. Um if if that gate were to be removed and that uh opened up, that would allow, you know, north south traffic um between County Road 8 and County Road 72. Um another potential option would be extending uh Wedi Drive through this property here. Um, I I I will say believe the reason why Sun River was identified in the downtown concept plan is just because of the the area that was examined in that plan focused on the Clayton Court uh Frasier River area and properties that are within our Riverwalk zone district. And that is the only um that that is the north south potential connection that is in that geographic area. So um again there there are other options that will be evaluated not just Sun River and uh certainly more to come to that uh more to come on that. So

thank you.

Yeah. Then the other option that that we've discussed are narrower streets, um constricted streets that can be one that could be two-way, but you only can get one car through at a time. You see them in Europe quite a bit. You see them in in Boulder, uh places where they're they're not designed to to be used heavily at all. They're designed to slow people way down so that they're not attractive to use as a regular route, but they're they're a way to a way to make a a friendlier street. I I gave a book to to uh our town planner called Killed by a Traffic Engineer and it talks a lot about creative street design that can that can without speed bumps. I mean speed bumps are obviously the way that everybody does them but there's a lot better ways visually to to make it difficult for a driver to to uh to do bad things to speed through. Then we're having really long conversations. I think we've got an upcoming workshop in the new year on quality of life having to do with maybe lowering speed limits in town, lowering speed limits on US40. Um, and a lot of that can be done with uh with speed vans, this technology where the town would would contract with a speed van company. The vans move around town, they issue $30 tickets um just automatically. Part of it goes to the company that owns the van, part of it goes to the town. just getting people to slow down. I mean, we've lost 10 people in this county this year and there I can remember a lot of years we didn't lose anybody to traffic accidents. So, drivers are becoming more aggressive and we're getting more more people. So, a lot of this plan and a lot of these questions that are really thorny for you guys because you're in the bullseye of it are because we we're just getting so many people and we're getting so many drivers. But the plan talks just constantly about ways that we get people around without being in their cars. And I don't know if we settled on this, but um you know, with some some of the housing options, possibly lowering

parking requirements, if a tenant moves in, they they take a pledge that they don't have a car and so they could they can get a lower rent um because we don't have to build a parking space for them. So there's just, you know, the master plan, I think, does a pretty good job of trying to get us down that the road on foot rather than in a car. So, so, but these are really tough questions. I mean, this this old town was designed um hap fairly haphazardly and and we're having to live with the con consequences now. So, it's it's it's difficult and you guys all know what a what a pain it is to and almost impossible to get out on the highway sometimes. So anyway, I appreciate the fact that you guys are having to having to and respect the fact that you're in the bullseye on this and I'm sure the town staff and and the town board will work publicly and and upfront with everybody to try and come up with a solution that hopefully hopefully serves the community but but protects you as well. So, any other comments from the public?

Yeah, we do have Mike and Adrian online. Okay, so we've got some online comments. Mike Scott, can you speak? Yes, I was still muted. Can you hear me now? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. Okay. Uh you said that the town was working on these other options. Uh one of those options as I remember when we had the meeting at Sun River, CB Miller had brought or excuse me CB Jensen had brought that one up and they hadn't looked at it at that time. Then I heard John tonight mention this other one where you've got the vacant lot with the building. Has anyone looked at that? Is that being considered or is that also a new option that hadn't been looked at before? vacant lot with the building. I'm not sure. Yeah. Which building is that exactly? Bet it pulled up. I think so that vacant lot. Well, look at that. So that's

the big building right there. Yeah. I that's a significant is John still there? Yes. Yes. Yeah. John the maintenance what's the name of the maintenance company in the in the building in front of it?

It's Park there. So again, it looks to me like if they're coming out of dropping people off the daycare, then that would be a really good situation to consider. And again, you wouldn't be messing up the parking lot of ours and all the problems that we're going to run into. And John also mentioned most of them, but one of the other points I wanted to point out was that when they switched and built the garages, your me minutes talk about how they were worried about there wasn't going to be enough green space for the original units, and now you're wanting to take away some of that green space that was counted in uh with our units. So, there's a lot of negative factors to ours. uh that I think they need to consider.

Of course, there's a large building there, too. So, we understand. Yeah.

So, I appreciate your time, but yeah, I would really like for him to to consider some of these other options uh for all of us. I mean, everyone that's just like my wife and I've owned it for 36 years and and we've spent a lot of money in Grand County uh over the years. So, uh the restaurants, Sharkies, we we've loved to go to those places and stuff with friends from all over the country. So, I feel like we have an important part and we've loved it, but uh I'm not happy with where it's going right now with what we've we've done. Uh and again, we've talked to in in 2003, we've got trustees and the plan uh city manager who's saying that yeah, that they wanted nothing to do with this road.

So, those are my only comments. I appreciate your time. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Adrianne Scott, can you unmute? All right. Thank you. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes.

I just um thank you very much for your time. We really really do appreciate it. And um I'm Mike's wife and I I thoroughly respect your comment about the European roads and and we understand that. That's one of the reasons we are in Frraasier is because of the beauty and the quiet. And while I respect your opinion and position, you're putting 129 units filled with families. You're putting 70 plus kids in a daycare and the post office in a road that whether it's one way or not, if it's one way, it's not going to mitigate the traffic I feel than the way that you want. And just please picture that volume of traffic that you're wanting to put in our area. And if you have the time, go look at Sun River Town Homes. go look at our private drive and I implore you to do that and that's all. Thank you for your time.

Thank you so much. And then Fritz, what you've been looking at is that Google Maps. Yeah.

Uh yes, this is Fritz Westover. I'm joined by my wife Sabrina as well uh today. Sorry I could not be there in person. We purchased also a town home in Sun River in 2024. And what really drew us to Frraasier was being out of Winter Park, being a little uh more in a a town feeling than a city. Um, and as you know, the the prices that we bought in at um in Frraasier are significantly greater probably than a lot of other of the town homes around and willingness to pay for having that privacy, having uh aspen trees nearby, uh having a view of the beautiful landscape. Uh our unit is the southernmost unit in um in Sun River and so it is actually the unit that has been referred to as being the most impacted. We would lose parking. Uh and our master bedroom, main bedroom is right in front of that parking. So I just want you to hear it from someone who's going to be hearing every car that's passing in front of their glass door, sliding door window. And um I have a you know we have a teenage uh son and a beautiful dog and this traffic is is potentially going to be passing directly in front of our unit. Not to mention uh the decrease in value that that could incur and uh we could we could be underwater on something like this uh should the town move ahead. U very very troubling concerning to to imagine this. um really takes the wind out of your sail about moving to a beautiful area and having a a second home in a beautiful place like Frasier. And uh we really are hoping that we can continue to enjoy the the standard uh that we've bought into and invested in with Frasier. and uh we really do plan to spend a lot of time there and just wanted to make sure that our voice was heard having been uh probably the most impacted of all of

these potential town homes in Sun River and really highly respect that you're also looking into other considerations as well. Uh just wanted to thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? Not see anybody else online. Anything more from the board? No. And so, um, Derek, what would you We don't This is really not an action item, but this this was a review, right?

Yes, that's correct. So, um, thank you everyone for the the public comment on, uh, the comprehensive plan. I took a lot of, uh, notes here. We do have a uh survey open online uh that you can submit any additional feedback through or you can just email town staff directly. Um uh myself and assistant town planner Alan Celiff. Uh our email addresses are on the town website and um we will um stop taking taking public comment in about a month on uh December 19th and that will allow town staff ample time to um take those comments and and update the plan uh as needed to address them and then we will bring this back as a public hearing uh in January for a recommendation of adoption. Are you going to go back to Kushing Terrell and say these are the edits that planning commission made?

So with the draft, can they color in red or something like that the areas where they've changed it so that we know Yeah. to read the whole thing again. I think the the next Yeah, absolutely. I think the next version that will be uh made public, there'll probably be two versions. One where the changes are clear and obvious and then a clean version for adoption. Cool. Yeah. All right. Good. Good. Thanks, Garrett. Sure.

Uh Clark's going for the record again on the map on page 157 and the identified areas. We talked about this multiple times and the prior uh the two prior 10-year comprehensive plans were done correctly in and both rendevous and Grand Park that are PDDDs uh were orange. Uh this is is showing rendevous not as uh PDD. the uh large majority of uh Graham Park east of the railroad tracks not as PDD and then has a crosshatch over a bubble plan west of the tracks. As we know the PDD is all is flexible. Things change and the town in fact has FPDPS now. If you want to show real stuff, you can show that. But but the orange we've asked multiple times and I've had meetings with Michael and the mayor about this. Uh, we like the orange turn back on on the PDDs. Uh, and if you want to show the areas that are actually developed already, fine, but put a crosshatch over those. But the stuff that's not yet planned needs to be like the other areas where we got yellow, green, purple, you know, just it it's very misleading and we prefer to keep a solid shape. Okay. Thank you for addressing that, Garrett. Okay. All right. Is there any other business from the board? You had a look ahead and a couple things you wanted to cover, what you

Yeah, I I we do have a presentation um kind of a 2025 year in review and a look ahead to next year. I will um try to keep it pretty brief, but uh just wanted to take a moment given that this is our last planning commission meeting of the year um talk about a lot of the success that the town has had um and not just obviously because of binding staff or town staff. It's obviously a result of those in the development community um our board and this body as well our planning commission. So, uh, just wanted to run through, uh, a few things. Uh, talking about first building permit activity. We did have, um, 84 building permits this year. Uh, that's more than the last two years. Um, this is just data through October for this year, but looking at those last two bullets there, we we only get a very small number of building permits um, in in November and December. Um, this shows building permit applications by month. Again, just showing that fairly in line with the last two years, but we did have um more building permits uh applied for and received this year. Um, something that is interesting, building permit valuation this year really um was quite higher than the previous two. Um the reasons for this are um some some major projects that uh got started this year. The Spring Hill Suites Hotel as well as um building C and E in St. Louis. Um another fairly significant project that contributed to this that just frankly wasn't on planning's radar um because it doesn't require planning review was the interior remodel of Safeway. Um so um you know those those projects combined resulted in this uh pretty

significant jump in building permit valuation which is again just a measure of kind of the value of construction activity happening in the town. Just briefly running through land use applications. We received 13 different applications this past year. Five were administrative review um applications, things like minor site plans for single family residential. Um the other eight um three of them were sketch plans and five were applications that require public hearings. Those eight applications are listed there. Um so the SC uh the planning commission looked at four different sketch plans this year. Uh again a lot of text I don't need to read it all but um various developments in the early planning stages and the planning commission also heard four different land use applications um Grand Park West Mountain filing one just making some tweaks to their FPDP there earlier this year. um the ascent uh condominiums, the village at Grand Park uh filing three final plat and uh the major site plan and plat for centrum. Uh in terms of construction activity, um the Middle Park uh health medical center opened this past June. Very exciting uh great asset to the community. Um and Stromtown Homes, which is uh the the first development right on Clayton Court adjacent to the Fras Frasier River. Um they are nearing completion. Uh just pending some final inspections before that's wrapped up. Uh significant projects that are under construction, uh the Market Street buildings, the facades are going up and looking nice. Should uh the corn shell should be completed early next year. Uh, Spring Hill Suites, which I mentioned, uh, broke ground this summer, estimated to be complete early 2027.

And St. Louis landing phase 1, also broke ground this summer. Um, those buildings anticipated to be completed in kind of two separate timelines, one late next year, one early 2027. And there's a lot of development that is approved and in the pipeline for construction. And just going through these quickly, Riverview Condos, uh the Ascent Condominiums, uh Grand Park, El Creek condos, West Mountain Filing 1, the Alpenlow condos, and last but not least, the village at Grand Park. So certainly a lot to um celebrate in terms of growth and development this year and lots to look forward to in the pipeline uh in years to come. In terms of code amendments, uh the town uh drafted and implemented five different uh code amendments uh that are listed here and we also initiated um two discussions which we'll be bringing back early next year. Um so um certainly one of you our municipal code is a living code that um we are not afraid to make changes to and adapt over time and um comprehensive plan as we are nearing adoption. I just wanted to summarize the uh different public um opportunities and uh feedback through this process um as it progressed this past year. In total, there were 11 different meetings with the planning commission board and our downtown development authority board or DDA board um this past year as well as uh those two public open houses um that were had. And finally, looking ahead to a big wall of text. Um lots to look forward to next year. um kind of the stuff um the first few bullets are are things that are maybe more concrete kind of first quarter early second quarter items

things like adoption of the comp plan um the prop 123 fasttrack review process that we discussed uh last meeting um adoption of the wildfire resiliency code that the state has put out um and then some of the other items are things that have been on staff's list for a while that we certainly hope to tackle once the comprehensive plan process is um is finished. So, any questions, comments, thoughts? Can you um include that with this agenda for the public records? We had reference that. Yes, that's a lot of work. Yes. Well, thank you, Joe. Thank you to you and Allan and Michael and staff and everyone else. That's

I do have a a question or comment.

Sure. Um uh in that list, one of the things that we keep bringing up and I don't know how we're addressing it is in the Riverwalk district trying to get more uh restaurant whatever facing the river. the way the code reads now, you know, you've got to have x amount of, you know, uh, commercial fronting the, you know, fronting the the main street, but I keep going back to, and I think Clark brought this up a couple times as well, that the thing that would bring people to the Riverwalk district is being able to sit on the deck and have a drink and have a meal overlooking the river. And I don't know that um where we what changes we need to make to facilitate that as a goal for the development in the Riverwalk district. I think we're missing a a big opportunity if we don't do something like that.

Yeah, thank you Margaret. And I I just shop stopped uh sharing the screen there just because that wasn't on the list. Um, I I agree that we should add that to our our work plan for next year. Um, I I maybe two comments uh on that. I do think the um downtown vision plan that's in the the comprehensive plan tries to envision both street front and river activation um along Clayton Court and could help you know developers envision how to orient their orient their buildings and public spaces um in a way that achieves that act activation. Um but in terms of actually incentivizing it um you know staff is more than willing to look into and explore various options. I think something that's been uh suggested by those in the development community is something like a height bonus um for more ground floor commercial uses than are currently required in our code. Um so I think that's um one good idea that we can certainly pursue and I think um you know any any good idea we will um certainly pursue it and analyze it and uh implement it if it's uh if it's worthy. So

okay so it's it's not on that list though I I will add it right now before I forget to our uh to our internal work plan. Thank you. I have to I have to agree completely, Margaret. It's kind of disappointing. The first building down there doesn't have anything out on the river. So, and it's on the river front. So, somehow somehow the code's got to got to help incentivize that because again, that's our main main opportunity of these is sitting by the river. I mean, that's what we that's what we envisioned from the very beginning. So, the code So, yeah, if you would, that'd be great. I appreciate it. Got to use the mic. I really can't.

Hi, John Church. Um, just a question follow on. Did the code disincentivize the developer from including that as part of the design for that building or or prevent it or was it code? The code basically says 40% of the ground floor has to be that that's on Clayton Court or Highway 40 um needs to be commercial. And so it's it didn't clarify that we want it on the river. And so I don't think we really got what we wanted in that first build. Um and so yeah, I think what what Margaret is saying is how do we change it so that we get that river front?

Yeah. I mean the way it way I'm understanding it it you would think as the developer he would have been or she all over having that available to him or her. I don't know who developed the strong but anyway so I was trying to see it was it the code that prevented it. No, it was absolutely not. That code requires the be on Clayton court on Clayton court. That was the law. It was fully written and it didn't follow the direction of the planning commission. And so the developer would have liked or had stuff on the river. Okay.

Well, and the existing building, it wasn't it just couldn't happen with the layout, you know. So, but well, in the future. Yeah, it'll I think it's going to work. He was a clean sheet of paper, so probably could have even more cuz I don't think there'll be enough room on the ground level for those units to um if they had a restaurant, not use the back and have access out onto the river at that ground level was all dedicated. But we're gonna make it even clear now that I'm standing here. I didn't plan on speaking, but I'm here now, so I guess I will.

Um, I've recently become a little more involved with the Frasier Valley Arts and the goal of standing up the Center for the Creative Arts

and I was I heard that discussion. I cracked open your document over dinner tonight and of course saw the 160 pages and choked on my chicken strip and then came down here to learn what what was in it. But I will endeavor to read it and provide you with some comments. But the one thing I guess that crossed my mind was you mentioned it's sort of an advertising document tonight. So projects that are sort of envisioned but aren't solid. They're not we we're not breaking ground this year. Um does it belong as a in that document as a goal or something we're striving to achieve? In there is it? Okay. There's a mention, but we can focus on it because it'll be it's going to be awesome.

I I'd like to think so as well. So, I will obviously review it and make any comments commensurate with that goal of trying to advertise and sell our communities. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Thanks to you for your support of Fraser Valley Public Parks. There any other items from the board? Okay. Call for adjournment. I move to adjourn. Second. All in favor? I I Good night, Margaret. Thank you, Margaret. Good night. Thanks, everybody. Be careful out.